Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to episode fifty nine of Game Spot
Speaker 1: After Dark. I'm your host Jake Decker, and joining me
Speaker 1: this week is Callie Plaguey.
Speaker 2: Hello to more.
Speaker 1: Hussein, Hello, and MC fixer. How you doing.
Speaker 3: Hello? Hello.
Speaker 1: We start to show off with with what we've been playing,
Speaker 1: but before we do that, we are going to do
Speaker 1: the Chris from Dayton, Ohio segment. Cue music, Butt Up
Speaker 1: Up Up.
Speaker 4: Chris.
Speaker 1: There it is so Fixer. The Chris from Dayton, Ohio
Speaker 1: segment is basically an opportunity to introduce yourself. Tell us
Speaker 1: what you what you play, what games you always come
Speaker 1: back to, how you got into this industry, and whatever
Speaker 1: else you find relevant.
Speaker 5: So with that, this is my moment, right, this is
Speaker 5: the right, This is my whole The whole moment is
Speaker 5: right now, right ahead.
Speaker 1: I mean you already did unlocked, right, so you've already
Speaker 1: like you've already hit the peak.
Speaker 5: This is just like no way, no way, I did disagree,
Speaker 5: totally disagree.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Hello, my name's MC fix Off. You guys can just
Speaker 5: call me fix Off or fix whatever you want. I'm
Speaker 5: not call me EMC, So all you got to do
Speaker 5: is not call me MC. And I'm already gonna enjoy
Speaker 5: this way more. Yeah, I'm a full time content creator
Speaker 5: on Twitch and YouTube. Been trying to break into the
Speaker 5: industry now for about seven years. Typical story, honestly watching
Speaker 5: content every day. Just thought, well I can do that.
Speaker 5: Why not I can talk. I've got a personality. People
Speaker 5: seem to like me. I'm not sure why, but you know,
Speaker 5: and I was just like, you know what, let me
Speaker 5: do this, so one day. I was a musician before
Speaker 5: all this, so hence the EMC, but I kept the
Speaker 5: MC for se oh, which I'm sure you will understand,
Speaker 5: but nobody else understands SEO, like, just drop the MC.
Speaker 5: I'm like, if you just typed fixer in on YouTube,
Speaker 5: you wouldn't find me.
Speaker 3: So that's why it's the MC fix of it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I used to be a full time musician from London,
Speaker 5: who can probably tell from my accent.
Speaker 3: And yeah, I've just I've been doing this a long
Speaker 3: long time.
Speaker 5: I streamed, like I say, four days a week over
Speaker 5: on Twitch, eight hours a day, and then I make
Speaker 5: a bunch of original content over on YouTube. Let's plays
Speaker 5: reaction content. I do some tip stuff for streamers streaming.
Speaker 5: The worlds blown up as we all know, and just
Speaker 5: being on the platform for such a long time, you
Speaker 5: pick up a lot of things of what not to do.
Speaker 5: Doesn't make me a professional, doesn't mean everything I say
Speaker 5: is right, but you know the little eticacies I say
Speaker 5: of twitch and what not to do? What to do
Speaker 5: had to get that little bit of a head start
Speaker 5: from going from zero to one to one to five
Speaker 5: to five to ten. And yeah, I also do a
Speaker 5: weekly Xbox podcast which is probably what most people know
Speaker 5: me from, which is called My Xbox and Me. It's
Speaker 5: been going for about two hundred and sixty weeks now,
Speaker 5: never missed a week. And that was like the big
Speaker 5: that was the moment for me.
Speaker 6: I am.
Speaker 3: I'm a huge kind of funny fan.
Speaker 5: A lot of people know that, and I was I
Speaker 5: saw a hole in the market at the time. Damn
Speaker 5: snow bite Mike, come on bro help me out here. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I saw a hole in the market with them, and
Speaker 5: I was like, my dream was to go and work
Speaker 5: for kind of funny and I was like, I'm going
Speaker 5: to start an exports podcast. They've got that. I'm gonna
Speaker 5: do this and we'll see where we go. Hey, we
Speaker 5: made it.
Speaker 3: I'm here. I made it.
Speaker 1: Have you been on the kind of funny Xbox.
Speaker 3: You know what, this is a perfect opportunity.
Speaker 5: You know why not kind of funny. I've been out here,
Speaker 5: I've done I've done that. I'm helping with meeting greats.
Speaker 5: I've done video work which you took for your own
Speaker 5: channel and didn't credit me. I love your Greg Miller,
Speaker 5: I love you Tim Gays, I love your A I
Speaker 5: love everybody. You know, I love everybody. But come on,
Speaker 5: where am I at games?
Speaker 6: You know what we call a classic London pop off?
Speaker 2: This is this is this is how you shout about
Speaker 2: ship on road.
Speaker 3: You look, we had that open conversation before we started.
Speaker 5: I feel so comfortable already, so I'm like, I'm out
Speaker 5: here sending shots for everybody.
Speaker 3: This is keep it going, all right.
Speaker 1: The best part of that was Tomorrow took a huge
Speaker 1: huff of his VP.
Speaker 4: I was just gonna ask if you're gonna do anything
Speaker 4: really big for the three hundred and sixtieth week since
Speaker 4: it's an Xbox podcast, But that wasn't much better.
Speaker 5: I'll be honest with you. I'll be honest with you.
Speaker 5: I hadn't even thought by it. I take it week
Speaker 5: by week as long as I can get a show off.
Speaker 5: It's what I usually try and do is every fifty
Speaker 5: episodes we try and have a special guest, being someone
Speaker 5: more popular than myself. That's that's especially you are, so
Speaker 5: that's as easy as that. You're all welcome. Really sixty,
Speaker 5: you're all welcome.
Speaker 4: That's really good tackling on our part to have you
Speaker 4: on for a PlayStation news weeks.
Speaker 5: I've got my PlayStation pre ordered, so we're all good.
Speaker 5: Don't worry. It's just like I say, I saw a
Speaker 5: hole in the market and that's why I went with that.
Speaker 3: But I play games everywhere. I'm a game on.
Speaker 1: You know, before we move on, what are some games
Speaker 1: that you always come back to, some games you play regularly,
Speaker 1: some of your favorite game.
Speaker 5: Resident Evil two is my favorite game of all time.
Speaker 5: I'm still in my head deciding with a Resident Evil
Speaker 5: two remake is my favorite game of all time.
Speaker 3: It's so hard that Resident Evil two.
Speaker 5: There's a special moment in Reside Evil two for me,
Speaker 5: and I've told this story mayor time, but new audience,
Speaker 5: let's go for it. The moment was the zapping system
Speaker 5: where you players Leon and you've got the machine gun
Speaker 5: in the bag right, and you take this decision to
Speaker 5: take both, take one, take neither, and I'm like, I
Speaker 5: was playing that game at a really young age, so
Speaker 5: shad to my mum.
Speaker 3: She never stopped me.
Speaker 5: So I'm not saying nothing else there though, but I
Speaker 5: remember taking both it ams because I was like, well,
Speaker 5: I want the machine gun and the backpack, because of
Speaker 5: course that's a I want everything.
Speaker 3: This is what I'm doing.
Speaker 5: So I went off beat the game, put in my
Speaker 5: Claire b got to that same moment and it was gone.
Speaker 5: And that moment sticks in my head so much of
Speaker 5: a moment where I was like, Wow, video games are
Speaker 5: cool and this is a story and this interlinks and this.
Speaker 5: It was just a magical, magical moment that I just
Speaker 5: I will never forget. There's that, and then there's Metal
Speaker 5: Gives Only Too where the colonel tells you to turn
Speaker 5: off your PlayStation Fish and Mel I literally saved the game,
Speaker 5: turn off my PlayStation, went outside. I remember this like
Speaker 5: it was yesterday, and was like, wait a minute, why
Speaker 5: did I just do that? Like I generally, I remember
Speaker 5: it and I was like, this is this is ridiculous.
Speaker 5: And at those moments I was already into games before then,
Speaker 5: but those are like the two big, big moments to
Speaker 5: stick in my head and go, this is why this
Speaker 5: medium is so special and means so much to me.
Speaker 1: Kajima played you. I remember in Metal Gear Solid one
Speaker 1: when god man, this starts calling out games you've played
Speaker 1: on your memory card. Yeah, and I was like, I
Speaker 1: was scared to death and then you had to like
Speaker 1: put your controller in port two. I was playing with
Speaker 1: a friend and we were our mind was blown and
Speaker 1: we were just like, what is this? And it was
Speaker 1: years later too, Like we didn't play it on launch,
Speaker 1: we played it a couple of years after.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, the one for me, my metal gay experience
Speaker 2: is the one that Irish sticks out. Obviously I have
Speaker 2: all that, but like I was a dirty pirate as
Speaker 2: a kid because you know, I couldn't afford games. The
Speaker 2: only way I could play games was to go to
Speaker 2: We used to have the Sunday Market in Hackney.
Speaker 6: Head down there, find the find the lad who.
Speaker 3: You are from the Ends? Bro?
Speaker 6: Trust me man from the Ends. I asked very much
Speaker 6: about it.
Speaker 2: I went down to Happey Market, used to have the
Speaker 2: lad down there. He was this really nice guy, heiring
Speaker 2: impaired guy, but like he used to love video games
Speaker 2: as well, and obviously we used to talk about it
Speaker 2: because he with his hearing impairment, he loved the.
Speaker 6: Visual side of it. But he would also.
Speaker 2: You know, hook man up with like cops CDRs that
Speaker 2: have the entire games on them. So I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I guess coming in the four discs there was some
Speaker 2: good value for money played. That game got to the
Speaker 2: bit where you're told to look on the back of
Speaker 2: the box to find the code number.
Speaker 7: To pall Mertal and I was like what I looked
Speaker 7: at the back of the box and it was like
Speaker 7: Verbatim supplies the most hearty c drs in the business.
Speaker 6: What I was like, Ship, this is pre Internet. There's
Speaker 6: no interno. I didn't have it. I mean Internet was about,
Speaker 6: but I didn't have that stuff. Yeah, I was like, ship,
Speaker 6: what do I do?
Speaker 2: And then I had a brain wave as a kid,
Speaker 2: put my shoes on, legged it down to Woolworth's, down
Speaker 2: the cour down the road where solid It was on sale,
Speaker 2: picked up that cover, turned it around there it was
Speaker 2: the picture of the the codec ran back home and
Speaker 2: like put it in from that day.
Speaker 5: The most important part of that story is resting people Walworths.
Speaker 5: Of course, but not forgot.
Speaker 6: People used to up into it and jack that picre
Speaker 6: mix like.
Speaker 3: It was my mom would beat me.
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 6: I never did that ship because they figured it out.
Speaker 1: They were like, the.
Speaker 4: Only way that would have been more British is if
Speaker 4: you had said trainers instead of shoes.
Speaker 3: Obviously adds fresh creps on. That's all good. Yeah, guys,
Speaker 3: come on.
Speaker 2: If I'm if I'm being one hundred percent real, like
Speaker 2: I'm post some slippers on.
Speaker 6: I went down road real quick. It was a quick
Speaker 6: one I needed to carry on with the game.
Speaker 4: Of course, played you as well.
Speaker 1: Plays everyone.
Speaker 2: Having said that, I have purchased Metal Guest solid like
Speaker 2: many times since I think Kajima got his money's work
Speaker 2: out of that.
Speaker 1: Well. Before we get to the big news PlayStation five showcase, obviously,
Speaker 1: we are going to talk about what we've been playing. Kelly,
Speaker 1: Do you want to start this off?
Speaker 4: Sure? I just wanted to do a quick follow up
Speaker 4: on Worlds in Club because last time when I talked
Speaker 4: about it, I was like, Wow, new killing game. I
Speaker 4: love don ROPAs so much, and then I played like
Speaker 4: maybe ten more minutes, and then there was a basically
Speaker 4: the game is not at all what I thought it
Speaker 4: would be, which is very on brand for the creator
Speaker 4: of don rumpa uh kustak Kadaka. And so I'm still like,
Speaker 4: it's still got like the weird, surreal creepiness that Donka
Speaker 4: Rupa has, but it's a little different. It's actually like
Speaker 4: more so far. I really got to emphasize so far
Speaker 4: because who knows what could change in the next ten
Speaker 4: minutes that I play this game. But it's a it's
Speaker 4: kind of like it's got a very like very anime,
Speaker 4: like like coming of age nineties kind of vibe. All
Speaker 4: of the characters are like middle school students. There's like
Speaker 4: the baseball obsessed one and the you know, the heme
Speaker 4: whatever character, very very uh anime, but like in a
Speaker 4: in a really sweet and like there's something sweet about
Speaker 4: it too. So I'm still enjoying it.
Speaker 1: But it's it's.
Speaker 4: Definitely I definitely did not sell it correctly last episode
Speaker 4: because I only played like half an hour before talking
Speaker 4: about it.
Speaker 1: You were kind of expecting it to be unexpected, though,
Speaker 1: weren't you, Because Yeah, you were saying that creator likes
Speaker 1: to do stuff like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was totally expecting that, and also sparked some
Speaker 4: conversation in the GameSpot discord about Don Grumpa, which I
Speaker 4: was very happy to see, So shout out to all
Speaker 4: of y'all. And then the second thing I wanted to
Speaker 4: bring up is just the fifth anniversary of Undertail, So
Speaker 4: happy birthday to Undertail. It was they obviously did that concert.
Speaker 4: It got me thinking about actually talking about like games
Speaker 4: that like kind of freaked you out with how like
Speaker 4: prescient they were. Undertail is definitely one of those if
Speaker 4: you don't know anything about Undertail, cover your ears for
Speaker 4: like one minute. But like in the Genocide run, like
Speaker 4: you'd think, like you'd think it's a really hard run
Speaker 4: to do, Like actually gameplay wise, it's very difficult, and
Speaker 4: it's also emotionally very difficult. And there's a point in
Speaker 4: that run where a character says to you, like it
Speaker 4: addresses like people who are just watching it rather than
Speaker 4: playing it like directly, and I was like, I'm playing it,
Speaker 4: but I'm freaked out still like Toby Fox has got
Speaker 4: everybody's number. So anyway, just shout out to Undertail. I
Speaker 4: didn't think about that until we started talking about games
Speaker 4: that like where we were like, oh shit, they really
Speaker 4: like understood what I was gonna do. And then played
Speaker 4: me by ass.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: IGN gave that game a ten out of ten before
Speaker 1: they were given ten out of tens every other week.
Speaker 4: Wow, IGN gave I did I gave.
Speaker 3: The shots are flying? I know I was on the show,
Speaker 3: but geez.
Speaker 1: Everyone, Oh yeah, we know nat Grind's probably listening to.
Speaker 1: So those are all very good games, well deserving of
Speaker 1: those scores. Oh yeah, anyway to more. How about yourself.
Speaker 2: I haven't playing Avengers, which is a absolute steaming mess
Speaker 2: of a game that I cannot stop playing.
Speaker 6: Like I I was playing yesterday.
Speaker 2: With like a couple of people are friends of the show,
Speaker 2: Andrew Golfob and Greg Mother.
Speaker 6: He's like this up and coming YouTuber.
Speaker 2: It's got like a very like teen high energy kind
Speaker 2: of vibe to.
Speaker 4: Him, relatively amusing, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah maybe kinds of kind of amusing kind.
Speaker 6: Of yeah yeah yeah, but we're playing.
Speaker 2: We're playing with him, like, and I think we're all
Speaker 2: in agreement US three. Like the game is weird and
Speaker 2: messed up, but also like strangely compelling for people who
Speaker 2: love that kind of superhero environment or like a into
Speaker 2: the grind of it, or likely enough to offset how
Speaker 2: boring the destiny style daily grind stuff can be. And
Speaker 2: like I'm playing it yesterday and I've been playing it
Speaker 2: for weeks, and it seems to be getting more and
Speaker 2: more buggy, to the point where I described it yesterday
Speaker 2: as like a I call it like a cup of
Speaker 2: milk in the sunlight. Where as time as time goes by,
Speaker 2: it seems to more and more gross.
Speaker 6: And like more and more disgusting.
Speaker 8: Though, But like I played it yesterday and it was
Speaker 8: like bugging out and I was like, this is but
Speaker 8: it's like reach the point where it's entertaining now for
Speaker 8: me for like how weird it is sometimes like you
Speaker 8: spawn and like Captain America is not there, but his
Speaker 8: shield is, or like Tony Stark is constantly phasing in
Speaker 8: and out of existence, and you're like, what is going
Speaker 8: on with this game? Yeah, it's like it's well, it's
Speaker 8: it's a game that I think has become really good
Speaker 8: for what I understand how people jump into Destiny and
Speaker 8: and just switch off and play it. For me, Destiny
Speaker 8: I played a lot, but not enough to the point
Speaker 8: where I knew it like the back of my hand
Speaker 8: and could switch off, like I still needed to pay
Speaker 8: some attention to like or I always wanted to pay
Speaker 8: attention because I felt like I needed to hit shots
Speaker 8: and you know, do stuff like that. But with this game,
Speaker 8: I feel like I can just kind of switch off
Speaker 8: and I know it now and I'm just hammering buttons
Speaker 8: and I know exactly where the objective is and I'll
Speaker 8: just go there and hit it and then I'm done.
Speaker 8: So it's I've been playing mostly that there's not much
Speaker 8: more to add to it. It is what it is,
Speaker 8: and yeah, that's pretty much it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I gave it a try last week and I
Speaker 1: couldn't do it. I was really into the story too,
Speaker 1: like all that stuff you said about Kamalakan, but I
Speaker 1: like could not play the game. Like I just I
Speaker 1: had absolutely no interest in playing the game. I got
Speaker 1: to that whole commission where it's just like a button basher,
Speaker 1: and I was like, this isn't this isn't really what
Speaker 1: I'm looking for, and it was kind of a shame
Speaker 1: because I do want to see that story through. At
Speaker 1: some point, I just don't want to play that game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's clearly, like I said this before, like it
Speaker 2: feels like a case of like two games, Like it
Speaker 2: feels like that they originally made yeah. They made the
Speaker 2: Crystal Dynamics game where it was like we're can I
Speaker 2: tell a story we've come up with, Like I am
Speaker 2: so convinced now that that game was originally a single
Speaker 2: play experience where you could on the fly just move
Speaker 2: between characters and do what you want and AI would
Speaker 2: pick up like that's what it feels like, and then
Speaker 2: they had to kind of like create like these gaps
Speaker 2: to fill to put in the games of the Service stuff,
Speaker 2: and those gaps just turned out to be cracks in
Speaker 2: the in the long run. And like the the Carmala Khan,
Speaker 2: like the main story is really really like good, Like
Speaker 2: it's not perfect. There's a lot wrong with it, Like
Speaker 2: the characterization is thin for a lot of characters. There's
Speaker 2: a point where like Thor just appears and it's like, hey, guys,
Speaker 2: I've just been around and you're like, what where have
Speaker 2: you been?
Speaker 5: That's literally what I said, honestly, Yeah, we spoke about it,
Speaker 5: and I totally agree with you, which was like for
Speaker 5: just turns up. He's just sort of they're like, oh,
Speaker 5: you're gonna plays me now, Actually I don't want to
Speaker 5: play as you, so see you later.
Speaker 2: Literally just flies in from off screen is like I'm
Speaker 2: here and you're like, what where have you been? Is
Speaker 2: like I was helping the commoners on the on the
Speaker 2: ground level and you're like all right, okay then and
Speaker 2: then like even yeah, all right, fair enough whatever, and
Speaker 2: then you don't really get to get any characterization around them.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of missed opportunities in the narrative. In
Speaker 2: the the multiplayer as well, the writing is very weak,
Speaker 2: like very very weak, like the box, the quips, that
Speaker 2: kind of stuff, they're messed up and like they're they're
Speaker 2: just so apart from Kamala Kamala's. It feels like they
Speaker 2: put a lot of effort into Kamala because even her
Speaker 2: repeated lines are engaging, like and entertaining. Like there's a
Speaker 2: bit where she asks about Thors like his weird helmet thing,
Speaker 2: and he's like, oh, it's for special people, you know,
Speaker 2: special occasions only, and she's like, great, can I wear
Speaker 2: it to prom? And like it's just a really nice moment.
Speaker 2: Like every time you hear that, you're like, it's still funny.
Speaker 2: It's funny to me. But then like the million of
Speaker 2: time you've had Nolan North as Tony Stark saying it's
Speaker 2: your night inexpensive armor.
Speaker 6: You're like, shut the hell up, please, or.
Speaker 5: The other line he says is the cover your eyes kid.
Speaker 5: I'm like, I don't need to cover my eyes. I know,
Speaker 5: look away by that you told me times like.
Speaker 2: He's yeah, it's just that part of it. But the
Speaker 2: Kamala Khan stuff is really good. Like if you push
Speaker 2: through the single player, it's fun, and it doesn't it
Speaker 2: only really kind of forces you into a games of
Speaker 2: service thing, like style mission right near the end where
Speaker 2: it's like we need to collect x amount of items
Speaker 2: to create x things so we can go and do this,
Speaker 2: and you're like all right, but by that point, like
Speaker 2: it takes one mission to do it, and you're like whatever.
Speaker 2: And like the story, there's a moment towards the end
Speaker 2: with Kamala, like the way her story wraps up that
Speaker 2: it's really really.
Speaker 6: Like heartwarming and nice.
Speaker 2: It's not interactive, which is annoying, but it happens and
Speaker 2: you're like, that's cool, and I'm glad it worked out
Speaker 2: that way, and it's got a heartfelt story in there,
Speaker 2: so that's where the real meat is. And like the
Speaker 2: weird thing is that I'm oddly excited to see it
Speaker 2: grow and oddly excited to see.
Speaker 6: I want to see it do better.
Speaker 2: I want to They've got a patch coming out today
Speaker 2: which is supposed to be massive.
Speaker 6: In fact, they should be live already. They need to
Speaker 6: go and check that.
Speaker 2: But it's supposed to be like really big, and they're
Speaker 2: supposed to address a bunch of issues. And when I
Speaker 2: when I learned that they were doing that, I was like, yes,
Speaker 2: I'm excited to see. I wanted to get better because
Speaker 2: I feel like they genuinely have something special here.
Speaker 6: I wish they had more time.
Speaker 2: To give it like the nips and tucks that it
Speaker 2: needed to be a more solid experience, and I wish
Speaker 2: that it had more content in it in the multiplayer side,
Speaker 2: But like it feels like they're committed to it, and
Speaker 2: I feel like if they really do stick with it,
Speaker 2: they could have something of a Jugglenall on their hands,
Speaker 2: even though that's an ext men's reference, which you.
Speaker 5: Know we're never getting them. I totally agree with you
Speaker 5: everything you said. The thing that frustrates me the most
Speaker 5: about that game is I feel like like you were
Speaker 5: saying the single player, which should have just been a
Speaker 5: single player.
Speaker 3: It should have just been a single player story.
Speaker 5: If they had to do this whole game of service stuff, Okay, cool,
Speaker 5: I understand the business of it, but that single player
Speaker 5: is strong enough to keep it as a single player
Speaker 5: story and let me just drive through. That made that
Speaker 5: a ten hour experience and then add everything on afterwards.
Speaker 5: For me, that would have made the experience so much
Speaker 5: more fun because the way I played the game, and again,
Speaker 5: because I stream, I'm sort of picking people up and
Speaker 5: helping people level going back and forward. When you don't
Speaker 5: experience that story, which is main mission, main mission, main mission,
Speaker 5: main mission, it kind of los is that value And
Speaker 5: that's the game school. That's not my fault at the
Speaker 5: end of the day. If you allow me to do that,
Speaker 5: then that's kind of on you. At least that's the
Speaker 5: way I think of it.
Speaker 2: And yeah, and all do you like the RPG stuff
Speaker 2: that's laid on top of it feels completely unnecessary when
Speaker 2: you're looking at a mission and it's like, oh, you
Speaker 2: know level X, Y Z, and.
Speaker 6: You're like, well, this is all pointless.
Speaker 2: It doesn't really matter, like I'm just trying to like,
Speaker 2: it ruins the immersion, like would would come on like
Speaker 2: get kicked out of the Avengers because she's.
Speaker 6: Not level AE like that's not that's not how it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And also like I mean this was this was
Speaker 4: always the thing that gotten the way from me with
Speaker 4: like Destiny. Not that Destiny has the same level of
Speaker 4: story to any extent that Avengers does, but like I'm
Speaker 4: either focusing on the mechanical like doing the thing, like
Speaker 4: focusing on the shooting and stuff, and my ability is
Speaker 4: or I'm like listening to what's happening. I have such
Speaker 4: a hard time absorbing story details and doing really intense
Speaker 4: gameplay stuff, like I have to turn on subtitles on
Speaker 4: most games that I play in order to like make
Speaker 4: sure I'm following along because otherwise I'm just like my
Speaker 4: brain's just like shoot the gun, like I just can't
Speaker 4: do it. So I think it's definitely one of those
Speaker 4: genres that's still like in a teething stage as far
Speaker 4: as like how do we gracefully blend these two ideas together?
Speaker 4: And you know, I'm not a game developer, so I
Speaker 4: don't know how exactly, but.
Speaker 2: I think like for this, I would have loved to
Speaker 2: see them like like Fixers said, like completely segregate multiplayer
Speaker 2: and single player, because you could tell that Christo Dynamics
Speaker 2: had that single player, They had that vision for a
Speaker 2: single player, and the games and service stuff kind of
Speaker 2: infected it, not infected it, but like forced its way
Speaker 2: in there and made the single player a lesser experience
Speaker 2: or a more convaluent experience. So like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: maybe it's just me, but I would have preferred if
Speaker 2: they were, like, you finished the single player, now there's
Speaker 2: this endless mode where you can just keep doing stuff
Speaker 2: and we're going to keep adding to it, and like
Speaker 2: this is your your games as a service.
Speaker 5: And then they do the same thing again when they
Speaker 5: bring in the new characters as well. It's like, okay,
Speaker 5: a single player, enjoy that story and now go have
Speaker 5: fun with them with your friends, and then they keep that.
Speaker 3: To me, we just would have worked so much now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, anyway, I guess I'll go next because I've been
Speaker 1: playing something that's kind of old now, at least for us,
Speaker 1: Jedi Fallen Order, which is a game that I played
Speaker 1: when it came out and I could not get into.
Speaker 1: I think a big reason was because I was still
Speaker 1: playing Sekuiro and it had a similar combat system, except
Speaker 1: Sekiro was so much better, So by the time I
Speaker 1: played Fallen Order, I was like, this combat is not
Speaker 1: doing it for me at all. But I you know,
Speaker 1: it's been a while. I got it on Steam because
Speaker 1: EA put all that stuff on Steam, and I was like,
Speaker 1: all right, I'll give it a shot. So I started
Speaker 1: playing it, and I kind of had the same feeling
Speaker 1: at first. The first two or three hours, maybe even longer,
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I mean, it looks great, but
Speaker 1: I'm still not super into it. But I got to
Speaker 1: a point where I really got into it. So this
Speaker 1: is like kind of a I don't know, I guess
Speaker 1: because I was pretty harsh on that game. I'd say
Speaker 1: early on episode I don't know, our first couple episodes
Speaker 1: when we were talking about it, I was pretty harsh
Speaker 1: on it. But having finished it now, I was very impressed.
Speaker 1: Like I think a big reason too, is the fact
Speaker 1: that it's not nearly as bugy as it was when
Speaker 1: it launched. Because I played originally on the Xbox X
Speaker 1: or Xbox one X, and while it looked good, it
Speaker 1: did not run well. I had lots of bugs, lots
Speaker 1: of issues. So when you add all that together, like
Speaker 1: securo of the bugs, not being super into the story
Speaker 1: I fell off anyway cut to today or I guess
Speaker 1: I finished it a couple nights ago. I'm super impressed.
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed that game. It's I think you mentioned
Speaker 1: it at the time too more but it like kind
Speaker 1: of made you care about Star Wars again and extent. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I totally say that. I like, there are moments in
Speaker 1: that game that gave me chills, even if somebody who's
Speaker 1: not super into Star Wars. But just like the way
Speaker 1: the story comes together in certain ways, I will say
Speaker 1: I won't spoil anything, but it does do that like
Speaker 1: obnoxious thing where it's like, remember this character will guess
Speaker 1: what here he is again, and it's like, what is
Speaker 1: his character even doing here right now? Like this doesn't
Speaker 1: make sense, Like he doesn't need to be here. The
Speaker 1: only reason he's there is just so like people can
Speaker 1: be like, oh, there he is. There's the guy and.
Speaker 2: It's I've not finished it, so I am really hoping
Speaker 2: it's j Binks.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 3: About Jew Banks.
Speaker 5: I hate you for this, but every podcast I can
Speaker 5: jar joll Binks my favorite character in Stall Wars, I
Speaker 5: will admit, really really.
Speaker 4: Quickly, can we talk about the jar jar Binks lollipop
Speaker 4: that was made as a promotional material and it's jar
Speaker 4: Jar Binks face and the lollipop is his tongue. I
Speaker 4: have nothing else to say. I just wanted to make
Speaker 4: sure that all of you know that that's a real
Speaker 4: thing that existed.
Speaker 1: But yeah, overall, I really like it. I'm excited for
Speaker 1: what they do next. Like it seems pretty clear that
Speaker 1: Respawn is doing another I don't know, at least Star
Speaker 1: Wars Jedi game, because it's what Star Wars Jedi colon
Speaker 1: Fallen Order. So I'm totally into whatever they plan to
Speaker 1: do next. Like, yeah, I'm bummed I didn't finish playing
Speaker 1: it at the time. I don't know if it would
Speaker 1: have made my top ten lists last year still because
Speaker 1: there's a lot of great games last year. But that
Speaker 1: being said, like, very happy I've went back and finished that.
Speaker 1: Other than that, though, I've been playing Splunky two, which is,
Speaker 1: you know, just as good as the first one so far,
Speaker 1: very addicting.
Speaker 2: Oh god, you should make that the thumbnail or something,
Speaker 2: and then just playing it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, for the record, sorry to interrupt, Jake. I showed
Speaker 4: everyone a picture of the Jarge Arping lollipop. I encourage
Speaker 4: you to Google jar jarpinks lollipop to go along with
Speaker 4: this episode and kind of forward.
Speaker 6: Worse than I could have ever.
Speaker 1: I was having trouble picturing it, but I was. I
Speaker 1: imagine it was bad, but I didn't think it'd be
Speaker 1: that bad. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I thought it would be like Jorjo Binks, like with
Speaker 2: the tongue coming out like a little frog or something
Speaker 2: like that. Yeah, yeah, you have to like, this is
Speaker 2: like a tongue deep.
Speaker 6: Kiss with job.
Speaker 4: They're playing tonsil hockey with.
Speaker 3: This is how you learned to kiss.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you use that lollipop for everyone who doesn't know
Speaker 5: how to kiss.
Speaker 3: By that lolly, you'll be.
Speaker 4: A really weird future uh fetish, But it's fine.
Speaker 2: I love the idea of what in the future being
Speaker 2: like my first kiss was within.
Speaker 1: Anyway, it's flunky too, uh is really good. The only
Speaker 1: thing I have to say is that the online right
Speaker 1: now is awful, which is a bummer because that was
Speaker 1: the big thing I was looking forward to is playing
Speaker 1: this online because the original Spilunky only had a couch
Speaker 1: co op, which was great, and I did some of
Speaker 1: that and it was a lot of fun. But being
Speaker 1: able to play online just you know, opens up a
Speaker 1: bunch of new doors for this, but it is so laggy,
Speaker 1: and apparently moss Mouth knows this and they're working on
Speaker 1: it and trying to fix it. But right now, if
Speaker 1: you plan on getting that game to play with your
Speaker 1: friends who are in other parts of the world or country,
Speaker 1: whatever it may be, wait because that it's rough. It
Speaker 1: is probably some of the laggiest. It's one of the
Speaker 1: laggiest games I've probably ever played. And there's like no
Speaker 1: way around it. Like finally we got it working, like
Speaker 1: after we did some weird like configuration, like it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: we can't play with this person because this person's was
Speaker 1: too laggy, but the two of us can play together.
Speaker 1: And we did for a little bit, but it would
Speaker 1: only last about four minutes until it would start to
Speaker 1: get laggy again and someone would get dropped. So keep
Speaker 1: that in mind. If you have no plan to play online,
Speaker 1: then I meant, now's the time. It is. It is
Speaker 1: really good, like it is just as good as the original,
Speaker 1: at least in my opinion, and it is addicting like
Speaker 1: it is once you start a run, it's hard to stop.
Speaker 1: I think. So far, my record is like World three four,
Speaker 1: it's the only time. I've made it out of World
Speaker 1: one and we did incredibly well. But yeah, it's good.
Speaker 1: But just wait, that's my advice. Didn't you guys have
Speaker 1: any plans to play Spelunky any interest at all?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm excited to play.
Speaker 2: I just I think I'm just finding the time where
Speaker 2: I can sit down and dedicate a bit, Like I'm
Speaker 2: between playing Avengers and all the stuff that's been happening
Speaker 2: this week for work. I just haven't had a moment
Speaker 2: to figure it out. I also need to disassemble my
Speaker 2: PS four and clean it, which is yeah, I'm not
Speaker 2: looking forward to doing that. I've got thermal paced, I've
Speaker 2: got all this stuff ready. It should be interesting.
Speaker 1: Actually going to throw it to you now because it
Speaker 1: seems like you've been playing some cold Duty war Zone.
Speaker 5: Yes, I've been planning a ton of cool Duty wars
Speaker 5: on it's my it's my go to game right now
Speaker 5: for streaming. I'm putting like five hours a day and
Speaker 5: I'm so bad. Honestly, I thought at one point I
Speaker 5: was getting really good, and then Marvel's Avengers came out
Speaker 5: and I played that for a week.
Speaker 3: And as soon as you stop playing a shooter, everything
Speaker 3: goes wrong.
Speaker 5: I don't know why, I don't know how. It really
Speaker 5: does frustrate me. I can't hit my shots anymore. But
Speaker 5: we roll with the punches either way, right, That's what's
Speaker 5: got to be done. So I've been planning that. The
Speaker 5: new season's okay. I like a few of the changes
Speaker 5: they've made. I'm waiting for the new waiting for Cold
Speaker 5: Wars to come out, really so we can see how
Speaker 5: it all gets. War Zone is going to be so
Speaker 5: messed up when that happens because balancing issues.
Speaker 3: I guarantee it. So many op guns.
Speaker 5: That's the only thing I hate about war Zone right
Speaker 5: now is the shotgun is super op. So you're just
Speaker 5: running into people constantly with shotguns shotgun. You're like this
Speaker 5: snipers and like, come on man, this is ridiculous. I've
Speaker 5: been planning that, and I've also been playing a game
Speaker 5: called Tell Me Why, which I'm sure you've all heard of.
Speaker 5: I did a spoil the cast with on the my
Speaker 5: Xbox in my YouTube channel with my co host Kresh
Speaker 5: and Laura Kate Dow and.
Speaker 3: That game is such a fantastic experience.
Speaker 5: It is one of I love walking simulators and I
Speaker 5: hate call them walking simulators. Because I feel like there's
Speaker 5: a lot more to them that goes into those type
Speaker 5: of games, but for the to express what it is,
Speaker 5: a guess, that's why people would know it. It is,
Speaker 5: in my opinion, probably the best walking simulator out there
Speaker 5: right now. This is Don't Lood's best game. In my opinion,
Speaker 5: Every character you come against, speak to interact with feels
Speaker 5: like a real human being with flaws, and they say
Speaker 5: the wrong thing, and they don't get everything right and
Speaker 5: they try and correct themselves. It is such one of
Speaker 5: those experiences that I wanted to. I wanted to go
Speaker 5: into it because I wanted to see where it was
Speaker 5: like for a trans person, right. That's the stories around
Speaker 5: Tyler mainly and his twin sister Allison, and I just
Speaker 5: wanted to wanted to see that whole experience.
Speaker 3: It's around nine hours long.
Speaker 5: I suppose I pushed twelve to fifteen if you're planning
Speaker 5: it a little bit slower than what I did. It's
Speaker 5: one of those games it's hard to really talk about
Speaker 5: without spoiling anything, so I won't say too much. But honestly,
Speaker 5: as someone who obviously what does a lot of stuff
Speaker 5: around Xbox, Xbox need to go get them so they
Speaker 5: can keep producing this type of game for game Pass
Speaker 5: in my opinion.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jean Luke talked about it last week. He's a
Speaker 1: big fan of that don't know games and he had
Speaker 1: only played episode one at that point, but he was
Speaker 1: speaking very positively about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like you're onto something with like if
Speaker 2: Microsoft doesn't want to acquire them, or someone doesn't acquire them,
Speaker 2: like having a DOPO that can put out this kind
Speaker 2: of serialized game seems like someone is going to figure
Speaker 2: out that they need that soon and and grab them, like,
Speaker 2: and there's not many options out there now that you know.
Speaker 2: Telltale isn't available and around any as much. I mean,
Speaker 2: they're back, but you know in what form we don't know,
Speaker 2: but don't know is absolutely killing it with with their
Speaker 2: like serialized games. So like if if they have game
Speaker 2: Pass and they want people to keep coming back, that's
Speaker 2: a great way to do it. Give people the episodic
Speaker 2: kind of almost like TV show like experience.
Speaker 1: Yeah, honestly, I'd be interested to see what they would
Speaker 1: do with someone like Microsoft backing them, because I don't know,
Speaker 1: if you guys played Vampire, I think that's what it's called,
Speaker 1: Like Vampire. Yeah, that was like an OURPGE that they
Speaker 1: had developed which kind of came out of nowhere and
Speaker 1: was like, I think, pretty favorable, but it was pretty
Speaker 1: clear that there was some you know, budget constraints that
Speaker 1: were taken into consideration for that game.
Speaker 2: And Microsoft has flirted with like that kind of I
Speaker 2: mean in a in a very ham fifted way with
Speaker 2: to Break and the TV show around that, But that
Speaker 2: was I feel like overcomitting in the wrong way.
Speaker 6: They should.
Speaker 2: I feel like they should take another stab about it
Speaker 2: and do it with you know, a video game series.
Speaker 5: Yeah, for me, it was when I was experiencing it,
Speaker 5: it was so it was one of those experiences that
Speaker 5: I was looking forward to it each week. And I
Speaker 5: think that's been don't Knowd's biggest floor with life is strange,
Speaker 5: Like life is strange too.
Speaker 6: We all know.
Speaker 5: I think it's a fantastic game, but we were waiting
Speaker 5: so long between episodes that you were kind of forgetting
Speaker 5: what was going on in the episodes. She's gone back
Speaker 5: and be like, oh, yeah, you do. I hate you do,
Speaker 5: I like you do, I love you. Where we are
Speaker 5: it's not fresh in your mind, And I feel like
Speaker 5: with tell me why they hit the release schedule.
Speaker 3: It was a week every week for three weeks.
Speaker 5: And it was just the and for me, I feel
Speaker 5: like it was the perfect a man I've always felt with,
Speaker 5: Like even Telltale Games, the five episodes, you get the
Speaker 5: episode two and three that are okay, and then we
Speaker 5: come back up. Same thing happens with Tell Me Why.
Speaker 5: Where Episode one I think is fantastic. Episode two is there,
Speaker 5: it's still good, but it's not as good as episode one,
Speaker 5: and episode three just it does what it needs to
Speaker 5: do to finish that story. And yeah, if if you
Speaker 5: haven't experienced a game like this, it's their best looking game.
Speaker 5: I think it's the best writing they've done thus far,
Speaker 5: and it's definitely worth your time.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think.
Speaker 4: Like really sold me on it, because I think I've
Speaker 4: talked about before, I've never really been sold on the
Speaker 4: Donut games. I think the thing that always turned me
Speaker 4: off of Life Is Strange was the dialogue. And admittedly
Speaker 4: I'd seen mostly just memes of the dialogue, but I
Speaker 4: did play with them and I was like, I can't
Speaker 4: do this, But I have been interested in Tell Me Why.
Speaker 4: I do like the how they incorporate supernatural elements in
Speaker 4: their stories, and I'm really interested to see what they
Speaker 4: how they approached this, And like I said last week,
Speaker 4: I think it's so cool that they had like an
Speaker 4: FAQ for people to be like, yeah, we were approaching
Speaker 4: like a difficult topic. Here's what you need to know
Speaker 4: if your concern if you're concerns, And I thought, like,
Speaker 4: that's what a content warning is about, is like making
Speaker 4: sure everybody is like informed and knows what to expect
Speaker 4: going in, not in a spoiler spoilery weight, but just
Speaker 4: in like a, hey, is this particular thing that's going
Speaker 4: to upset me here should I prepare myself for that?
Speaker 4: So I thought that was like a really cool way
Speaker 4: to approach that, and that got me really interested just
Speaker 4: in kind of be not the story itself, but just
Speaker 4: in the game. If that makes sense, I think you've
Speaker 4: actually really sold me on it. I really want to
Speaker 4: try it out.
Speaker 3: I can't wait to hear what you think of it.
Speaker 5: Honestly, it's definitely it's such a nine hours is nothing
Speaker 5: in today's games.
Speaker 3: When we're all I'm sure we're all the same way.
Speaker 5: It's like someone comes out a hundred experience when I nope, nope,
Speaker 5: I'm too busy, I've got too much to do, Like
Speaker 5: you start playing Cyberpunk because like the only game I'm like, okay,
Speaker 5: you can be one hundred hours, allow it. But yeah,
Speaker 5: this game is it's very respectful of your time. And
Speaker 5: it doesn't like I say, episode two gets you from
Speaker 5: me to B but episode three picks up. There's never
Speaker 5: that loll period like I always felt with the other
Speaker 5: games where there's a flat and it it drags on
Speaker 5: for a whole episode because it needs to.
Speaker 3: This doesn't have that. It's very much we've had.
Speaker 5: A flat, time has passed, we've hailed, but not in
Speaker 5: a doesn't feel like it's wrong in the story EVA.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's cool, awesome. Well with that, let's move
Speaker 1: on to the topics for this week. All right, So,
Speaker 1: I think the big thing this week that everyone's talking
Speaker 1: about is the PlayStation Showcase, and probably more importantly what
Speaker 1: people are talking about is the price A and B
Speaker 1: how the pre orders have been an absolute mess. But
Speaker 1: before we get into that, just some general information. The
Speaker 1: price was revealed the disked version of the console, the
Speaker 1: disc version, the one with a disk drive, is going
Speaker 1: to be four ninety nine and the disc list is
Speaker 1: three ninety nine US. Of course I don't know what
Speaker 1: it is.
Speaker 5: And fifty four hundred and fifty pounds and three hundred
Speaker 5: and fifty pounds.
Speaker 6: Okay, that's not too bad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems PS three was way more.
Speaker 6: I remember five.
Speaker 2: The bundle I got was six hundred. That was when
Speaker 2: I was working at hm B and I had to
Speaker 2: get like a staff discount and I was like, get
Speaker 2: ripped off, man.
Speaker 3: But it's priced really, really well.
Speaker 5: This is the first time with consoles in the UK
Speaker 5: where I've gone, as I said openly, though, I'll pay
Speaker 5: pounds my max, like, I'll pay five hundred, five hundred,
Speaker 5: it comes to four to fifty eight.
Speaker 3: I was like, Hayley, which is my fiance, We're going
Speaker 3: to Nando's. Girls. Don't worry. We've got a hundred pounds
Speaker 3: to spend as much chicken as you would like.
Speaker 1: You could get.
Speaker 6: A lot of nouns.
Speaker 3: I'll send you, guys. The video of the Mott Bank.
Speaker 6: Missed so much.
Speaker 1: Apart from that, I think the other news that kind
Speaker 1: of got confirmed, and I think a lot of people
Speaker 1: were expecting, was that it seems like these Triple A
Speaker 1: PS five games are going to be sixty nine to
Speaker 1: ninety nine. That's not for everything, though. It seems like
Speaker 1: Spider Man, I think, is going to come in a
Speaker 1: little bit cheaper, and some of these, some of these
Speaker 1: smaller experience games are a little bit cheaper. To me, it
Speaker 1: kind of looked like maybe these developers are going to
Speaker 1: start pricing games in terms of like they're length. Maybe
Speaker 1: not length, but like, I don't want to say how
Speaker 1: much work was put in, but I think we might
Speaker 1: see a bigger range in prices. Like I don't think
Speaker 1: every retail game at launch is gonna cost seventy dollars.
Speaker 1: It is just me speculating, but that's kind of what
Speaker 1: I got from it. But I know that is, I
Speaker 1: don't know, kind of kind of interesting. I'm not surprised,
Speaker 1: but I imagine some people are frustrated with that.
Speaker 5: No, I was just gonna say, Tweter, I'll keep the
Speaker 5: same energy because I'm sick of it. I'm sick of Twitter,
Speaker 5: and maybe you guys have been on Twitter longer than
Speaker 5: me and dealt with it. But two K comes out
Speaker 5: right and their game seventy dollars. Twitter is a blaze.
Speaker 5: It is a blaze. Everybody hates two K. Cancel them
Speaker 5: blah blah, blah blah blah. I get I like my
Speaker 5: Sports Tiles, so I think the developers that developed Sports
Speaker 5: Tiles have the short end of the stick. Turnaround time
Speaker 5: is the shortest of any game that we probably know of, right,
Speaker 5: Twitter goes crazy, PlayStation do it? Okay, I'm happy game
Speaker 5: press are going long overdue personally, but I also sit
Speaker 5: in a privileged position like I'm sure some of you guys.
Speaker 5: We get sent games so it doesn't cost us seventy
Speaker 5: dollars all of the time. Me every now and then,
Speaker 5: I have to buy a few games here and there,
Speaker 5: so it's really hard to talk about like I'm okay
Speaker 5: with it being seventy dollars when I'm not. I remember
Speaker 5: a couple literally only a year ago, pr only like
Speaker 5: me now, remember that a year ago when I was
Speaker 5: buying every single game before but even maybe not a
Speaker 5: year ago, but before game pass was a thing and
Speaker 5: things like that. Right, So I appreciate I understand games
Speaker 5: costs more. I hope this trickles down to the developers.
Speaker 6: Though.
Speaker 5: It's all well and good. It costing seventy seventy dollars
Speaker 5: seventy pounds as well. By the way, it's seventy pound
Speaker 5: for games as well, so that's gone from fifty five
Speaker 5: pounds to seventy pound. But our dev's gonna get our
Speaker 5: community manager's going to get paid right. Are you going
Speaker 5: to get paid right? Or are big fat mogul top
Speaker 5: of the range whatever you are? Are you going to
Speaker 5: get more rich? Not FMC fixer I sided to say
Speaker 5: about it, No way. Me and my Twitter army are
Speaker 5: four fans of followers. We're coming for you.
Speaker 3: We're not. Please don't find.
Speaker 2: I think the interesting thing will be whether it sticks
Speaker 2: because I mentioned this a couple episodes ago, But this,
Speaker 2: this is something that tends to happen early in the generation,
Speaker 2: like when people are desperate for games and will pretty
Speaker 2: much buy anything to justify their console purchase, publishers and
Speaker 2: platform holders will generally skew a little higher. And I
Speaker 2: remember that in the UK at least being the case.
Speaker 2: Like I remember when I bought my PS four, like
Speaker 2: Needs for Speed was way way more expensive than any
Speaker 2: other game had been at that point, and there were
Speaker 2: a bunch of other games at the same time that
Speaker 2: were like maybe like ten or fifteen quid a little
Speaker 2: more higher than usual, And then after a little while.
Speaker 2: It was like a couple of months they started to
Speaker 2: dip back down and and generally retailers were realizing that
Speaker 2: it was too much to ask for for a consistent period.
Speaker 2: So I wonder if the same thing is going to
Speaker 2: happen where they stop doing that and it dips back down,
Speaker 2: we'll see that singing in the long run, And the
Speaker 2: fact that it's not across the board leads me to
Speaker 2: believe that might be the case. If it was like
Speaker 2: a case of they need to be this price, every
Speaker 2: game would be that price, because it would be so
Speaker 2: only needing to make that statement and say we have
Speaker 2: to charge this much because it costs as much and it.
Speaker 6: Needs to be this much.
Speaker 2: But because they've rolled up and they're like, yeah, we
Speaker 2: got this one gown for a bit cheaper. And admittedly
Speaker 2: some of that is because you know, Miles is also
Speaker 2: coming out for previous year and that kind of stuff,
Speaker 2: so there's some kind of weird, you know, stuff that
Speaker 2: they need to do around there. But I feel like
Speaker 2: it's also it seems to me like an indication that
Speaker 2: this is what they're trying to do to get a
Speaker 2: bit more money up front, and then over time, you know,
Speaker 2: as retailers start to cut prices, it will normalize back
Speaker 2: down to a decent, more manageable price.
Speaker 1: YEA, I will say I'm more open to paying seventy
Speaker 1: dollars for like a Sony exclusive too than I would
Speaker 1: be for a two K game, just because I know
Speaker 1: that I'm not going to get a bunch of micro
Speaker 1: transactions thrown at me. Right at least I believe that
Speaker 1: two K NBA two K did have micro transactions and
Speaker 1: it was still seventy bucks or it still will be
Speaker 1: seventy bucks. So like, in that sense, I'm kind of
Speaker 1: okay with spending seventy dollars on these games, like especially
Speaker 1: something like Demon Souls, which I imagine I will play
Speaker 1: a lot of. But yeah, I kind of like what
Speaker 1: Timore was saying, Like I kind of like the idea
Speaker 1: of more range because I think that's something that people
Speaker 1: have been struggling with for a long time, right, Like
Speaker 1: there's that argument that's been around for a while, Like, oh,
Speaker 1: so I can pay sixty dollars and get like one
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty hours from Skyrim, or I can pay
Speaker 1: sixty dollars and get eight hours from I don't know,
Speaker 1: like Uncharted or something like that. So it's kind of
Speaker 1: interesting to see how that how that kind of levels
Speaker 1: out in a weird sense, and I should mention that,
Speaker 1: like there's no if there's another uncharted that it's going
Speaker 1: to be cheaper. I bet you that's going to be. Oh,
Speaker 1: of course, yeah, because those those games cost so much
Speaker 1: money to make. But it is like that conversation and
Speaker 1: I think that I think that's exciting in a sense.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's it's interesting to think about this because,
Speaker 4: you know, dealing with reviews, we really don't talk about
Speaker 4: the price of a game in reviews. At GameSpot, we'll
Speaker 4: talk about micro transactions, specifically in the context of like
Speaker 4: pay to win, but we tend to avoid assigning value
Speaker 4: to the monetary, you know, price of something because like
Speaker 4: I can't tell you what sixty dollars is worth to
Speaker 4: you or seventy dollars is worth to you, so I
Speaker 4: can tell you whether I think the game is good,
Speaker 4: and then you can decide whether it's sixty dollars or
Speaker 4: seventy dollars good. So I often don't think about it.
Speaker 4: Fixture you brought up a good point, like we do
Speaker 4: often get most of the games that we would need
Speaker 4: for coverage, or at least in my case, like any
Speaker 4: game that I necessary not necessarily would want to buy myself,
Speaker 4: if I just want to try it out, it's easier
Speaker 4: for someone like me to get that access, either you know,
Speaker 4: through our work channels or like expense it. So to me,
Speaker 4: like seventy dollars is a pretty but sixty, you know,
Speaker 4: it's a ten dollars difference. I mean, that is a difference,
Speaker 4: But to me, it's just like, I don't think it'll
Speaker 4: be the difference between Oh, I wouldn't have bought that
Speaker 4: game for seventy, but if it's sixty, I'll buy it.
Speaker 4: Like I'm it's just hard because money means different things
Speaker 4: to different people. And I think we're also like just
Speaker 4: kind of in a weird situation. So I'm wondering how
Speaker 4: that like premium price is going to work out with
Speaker 4: you know, the realities of COVID. So there's a lot
Speaker 4: of questions, I think, But I do think I think
Speaker 4: we can all agree that like games are really expensive
Speaker 4: to make, and that hopefully.
Speaker 1: They're getting more expensive, a lot more expensive.
Speaker 2: The one thing that I've been thinking about, it's like
Speaker 2: borderline conspiracy because I love to like indulg the conspiracy
Speaker 2: side of.
Speaker 6: My stuff and we go buckle up, friends.
Speaker 1: What if?
Speaker 2: What if this is the physical games are a little
Speaker 2: more expensive so that Sony can push people towards the
Speaker 2: digital version, which they are more inclined to discount sooner
Speaker 2: quicker because they'll see the value immediately return to them.
Speaker 2: So if the amazols is seventy, and I think it's
Speaker 2: going to be initially at the very least going to
Speaker 2: be seventy across digital and physical, but then you know,
Speaker 2: they start that trend of oh it comes out expensive
Speaker 2: seventy pounds or seventy dollars on physical and digital, but
Speaker 2: then Sony tends to like after a month discounted down
Speaker 2: to forty fifty. That would push people or develop that
Speaker 2: kind of habit to keep an eye out for digital
Speaker 2: sales for Sony. So I think that might be a
Speaker 2: case because it also means that Sony can do that
Speaker 2: thing where that Nintendo does, where they stick by the
Speaker 2: value of their games and never discount in physical cool anyway,
Speaker 2: Nintendo just doesn't do that, and it means that you
Speaker 2: know you're paying full price always, So Sunny could be like,
Speaker 2: this is what we think it's worth at a physical considering.
Speaker 2: We have to pay you know, retailers and etcetera shipping
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. Manufacturing costs on digit all work good.
Speaker 2: We don't have to do that. We can just discount
Speaker 2: that stuff. So perhaps there's a little bit of an economic,
Speaker 2: kind of psychological game being played here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I guess to to kind of add
Speaker 1: to that, I know a lot of people, at least
Speaker 1: on Twitter Surprise, were frustrated that Horizon New Down. Is
Speaker 1: that what it's called Horizon Forbidden? Well, where I got
Speaker 1: new Down from Twilight movie is.
Speaker 3: A Twilight from.
Speaker 4: It's Breaking New Moon eclips and then Breaking Breaking Dawn Saga,
Speaker 4: Twilight Saga, Breaking Dawn Part one and Part two.
Speaker 1: Crying That's what I'm for, crying new do on Okay, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm thinking of. But but I know a
Speaker 1: lot of people are frustrated because they were like, oh,
Speaker 1: that game is coming to the PlayStation four two, Like
Speaker 1: I want I want it to look as good as possible,
Speaker 1: But like that also kind of like brings up this
Speaker 1: issue about like how expensive games cost. Like I imagine like
Speaker 1: a game that did as well as Horizon, like it
Speaker 1: would be tough to get your money back if you
Speaker 1: just put it on this new console that probably not
Speaker 1: a lot of people are going to get right up front,
Speaker 1: or at least not nearly as what the one hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty million PS four consoles that have sold and
Speaker 1: like like that. Just that would be such a risk
Speaker 1: if they only put it on PS five, I imagine.
Speaker 5: But the big problem I have is but they said
Speaker 5: there are generational consoles.
Speaker 3: This is what frustrates me.
Speaker 5: Because so when you come out and say things and
Speaker 5: nobody says anything. I'm on the platform, guys, I get
Speaker 5: to speak. It's like no one says anything.
Speaker 1: We don't.
Speaker 3: We don't talk about it.
Speaker 5: We don't, we don't say old Up a minute, didn't
Speaker 5: you just say the generations?
Speaker 3: And this is holding it back.
Speaker 5: But you're doing the exact same thing, but it just
Speaker 5: doesn't get brought and up.
Speaker 3: It seems strange to me. I don't know why it is.
Speaker 5: I don't know why it is, but we we seem
Speaker 5: to I remember again, I've been covering Xbox for so long.
Speaker 5: Whenever Xbox fumbled, we were on them like crazy, just
Speaker 5: like me. I remember the Resolution war that was that
Speaker 5: was a thing Xbox have been doing all the things
Speaker 5: actually for the players, in my opinion, and it doesn't
Speaker 5: get spoken about as fondly as when PlayStation come out
Speaker 5: with something, and maybe not directly like because they're very
Speaker 5: good with their word in so I can't really just
Speaker 5: say that. But it's very very obvious to me where
Speaker 5: you're like, hold up, you've you made this statement about
Speaker 5: how generations are important, blah blah blah blah blah, but
Speaker 5: now you're going back on that, and I understand, I
Speaker 5: understand why.
Speaker 3: I totally agree. I'm glad honestly.
Speaker 5: It's people are going to get to experience Spider Man, Horizon, Sackboy,
Speaker 5: and that's a great thing and they're going to make
Speaker 5: more money for it. But stick to your word, it
Speaker 5: seems a little bit shaky to me.
Speaker 2: I think I think there is there's a I think
Speaker 2: that there is criticism of Sony, especially right now.
Speaker 6: I think with.
Speaker 1: Sony, the next thing we talk about is going to.
Speaker 6: Has been right now.
Speaker 2: It's their kind of like processes that are being critiqued,
Speaker 2: and in the moment right now, it's like their handling
Speaker 2: of revealing this stuff that it seems to be taking
Speaker 2: the kind of precedent and like focus away from it.
Speaker 2: But I think over time there will be a little
Speaker 2: more discussion about the way Sony is approaching it. I
Speaker 2: think that the lack of clarity in in what their
Speaker 2: plans are is also kind of making it difficult to
Speaker 2: critique them. Microsoft in their Xbox strategy has been very clear,
Speaker 2: very plain, and when they release the information about something,
Speaker 2: they do it in its entirety around that subject math
Speaker 2: Sony has been a bit like strip feeding information, so
Speaker 2: the clear picture isn't there. So I don't know about you,
Speaker 2: Like for me, like I feel like I could analyze
Speaker 2: this right now and say.
Speaker 6: Something, but tomorrow I could look like an idiot. So
Speaker 6: I think a lot of brands, I mean, like I
Speaker 6: look like an idiot.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that's what I do because if I
Speaker 2: feel like I want to say something, I'll say it.
Speaker 2: I think for a lot of people, they're like they're
Speaker 2: not as comfortable like really sticking it to them right
Speaker 2: now because the full picture isn't there, which is like
Speaker 2: it's a classic like marketing strategy, right if you can't
Speaker 2: if you don't tell them everything, they can't critique everything
Speaker 2: you give. So like I think Once we get closer
Speaker 2: to launch and it becomes clearer, that's when people will
Speaker 2: start being like, this is not one Well, what do you.
Speaker 4: Guys think about the because we didn't mention release date
Speaker 4: which is November twelfth, but only in US, Japan, Canada, Mexico, Aphelia,
Speaker 4: New Zealand, Korea For our UK based friends, how do
Speaker 4: you feel about that? November nineteenth? Really because that's also
Speaker 4: cyberpunk Day.
Speaker 5: I feel like, what the hell we've moved beyond this?
Speaker 3: This is this is not a thing that happens anymore.
Speaker 5: This is such a backwards way of doing things, and
Speaker 5: that's what it's for me. It's just frustrating. So I
Speaker 5: have to now sit around for a week and watch
Speaker 5: all of you and listen to this fantastic podcast talk
Speaker 5: about how great the PlayStation is.
Speaker 3: Just because I live in a different country. I didn't
Speaker 3: choose to live here.
Speaker 5: My mum made me here, like that's what happened, like
Speaker 5: you know, like it just it just seems so backwards to.
Speaker 1: Me, especially I imagine in your position, right because you
Speaker 1: stream every day and like I'm sure you're trying to
Speaker 1: stream the new stuff and not having the PS five
Speaker 1: for a full week could be pretty maybe not detrimental,
Speaker 1: but like you're still gonna feel like if.
Speaker 5: I was bigger, it would be detrimental if I was
Speaker 5: if I was the tippy top PlayStation coverage guy, and
Speaker 5: I'm in the UK, you must be feeling that really bad.
Speaker 3: I'm sure.
Speaker 5: I'm sure some only will maybe have sorted them out
Speaker 5: with the consoles or whatever they do.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 5: I don't know yet. I'm not I'm not there yet.
Speaker 5: But for me, it's just frustrating. Honestly, I think it
Speaker 5: just seems so backwards.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think I remember being in that
Speaker 2: position and it was incredibly frustrating. I think it still is.
Speaker 2: But it's also worth tampering that with you know.
Speaker 6: Yeah, in the words of Cark CADB, coronavirus.
Speaker 2: Shit is real and you know so, like, I don't
Speaker 2: think that's an excuse, but given that the demand for
Speaker 2: it is super high, I think there's also a case
Speaker 2: of like they want to really carefully roll out the
Speaker 2: stuff and and redistribute stuff here and there.
Speaker 6: I mean, like it's not easy.
Speaker 2: It's not like you can simply just taken a North
Speaker 2: American unit and move it to Europe. That's not how
Speaker 2: it works as engineering that needs to be done, but
Speaker 2: in terms of like focus and where where you know,
Speaker 2: where the employees of Sony are like looking and focusing on,
Speaker 2: it could be more beneficial to them to be like,
Speaker 2: all right, let's do a staggered launch so that we
Speaker 2: can deal with this stuff. It just sucks that, you know,
Speaker 2: America once again gets precedent over every other you know, territory,
Speaker 2: which is a shame because you know, there are places
Speaker 2: where you know, Sony is Sony is like the de
Speaker 2: facto you know, console of of that place. Like you know,
Speaker 2: you look at like Mexico and Spain and that kind
Speaker 2: of stuff. They're a PlayStation like nation, like in more
Speaker 2: ways than America.
Speaker 4: Mexico is on that that that November twelfth list. The
Speaker 4: thing that I found curious was Australia because I've always
Speaker 4: understood Australia to be more Xbox focused, Like every Australian
Speaker 4: I know is like like primarily Xbox over PlayStation like
Speaker 4: and I mean I know I know a good amount
Speaker 4: of Australians, I would say for for the average American,
Speaker 4: But so that was a surprising one to me, Like
Speaker 4: Australia over the UK because I I I would say,
Speaker 4: like my impression of the UK is that there's a
Speaker 4: lot more PlayStation So I mean, I yeah, you can't really,
Speaker 4: you really can't discount the effect of COVID on production.
Speaker 4: I'm surprised that, you know, like like we're hitting these
Speaker 4: November targets, Like I wasn't entirely confident that we were
Speaker 4: going to hit November for these consoles given the year
Speaker 4: we've had. So that's something it is, like it's just
Speaker 4: funny because both of them have their confusing things right.
Speaker 4: Like earlier today I had a meeting with my boss
Speaker 4: and I kept saying the Xbox one X and I
Speaker 4: could not stop saying the one X Series X.
Speaker 1: Before we get too off topic here, I do want
Speaker 1: to touch on the pre order situation a little bit
Speaker 1: because that was a mess. Like that was that was
Speaker 1: an actual mess.
Speaker 3: It was because she didn't get one.
Speaker 5: Sure I got but like they said.
Speaker 1: Pre orders would start today that one. I guess just
Speaker 1: one outlet or one uh retailer broke that and all
Speaker 1: of them started doing it. Like I sent my email
Speaker 1: Sony being like, hey can I pre order when this
Speaker 1: thing comes available? Didn't get a response. A lot of
Speaker 1: people just didn't get a response like it is, it's
Speaker 1: a mess like I it's it's wild.
Speaker 3: It's for me again.
Speaker 5: It comes down to everything that we've already just spoken about,
Speaker 5: really right, it's just a messaging and marketing. You've got
Speaker 5: to have that stuff on lock, like you can't, you
Speaker 5: can't have lenks, you can't.
Speaker 3: But you're right.
Speaker 5: One one retailer goes early. That's what happened over in
Speaker 5: the UK. Game went early and links are being thrown
Speaker 5: about everywhere. The Smiths have gone and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 5: I feel so bad. I stayed up because I did
Speaker 5: a reaction to the press conference. But what I know,
Speaker 5: all my friends are in all my friends who work
Speaker 5: in the building trades, they were in bed by eight o'clock.
Speaker 5: But they're gonna want to PlayStation now. They have no chance.
Speaker 5: We know how limited these consoles are going to be anyway,
Speaker 5: and around Christmas their kids are gonna want them. And
Speaker 5: it's just one of those things around like, oh man,
Speaker 5: I feel bad. I've already had people in my dms
Speaker 5: because for some reason, people think I actually have some
Speaker 5: power around anywhere, which I do not, and they're like,
Speaker 5: so can you get me two PlayStations. I'm like, what
Speaker 5: do you want to buy? I don't work at Sony.
Speaker 5: What'd you feel about him making PlayStations? Like, but yeah,
Speaker 5: it's just it's it's a shame. It's I think it's
Speaker 5: a shame for everybody who wanted to try. It should
Speaker 5: have been fair for everybody, not the select few that
Speaker 5: were awake at the right time and things like that.
Speaker 2: M yeah, I don't think there's much that idea is.
Speaker 2: The lack of clarity is frustrating, especially given that you know,
Speaker 2: Sony said, oh, you know, we'll give people plenty of
Speaker 2: heads up notice so that they can get prepared.
Speaker 6: And it's like, did you did you give us?
Speaker 2: Because I mean, it's not entirely their fault, because the
Speaker 2: retailers kind of like but at the same time, you
Speaker 2: got to you've got to make sure that you're making
Speaker 2: those arrangements with retailers. Man, Like, you spend a lot
Speaker 2: of time enforcing policies on various other businesses and industries
Speaker 2: around the world.
Speaker 6: You can't. You got to do it for retail too
Speaker 6: if you want to that consistency.
Speaker 2: And yeah, it's pretty much a lot of people feeling
Speaker 2: slighted now, which unfortun has pretty much rained or their parade,
Speaker 2: Like they had a good thing going yesterday where everyone
Speaker 2: was super excited and then getting you know, primed to
Speaker 2: pre order when that time came, and now like some
Speaker 2: people would have gone to bed and woken up and
Speaker 2: realized there's no PS fives left to pre order because
Speaker 2: they're all gone, and Sony kind of didn't give them
Speaker 2: the heads up, and maybe a fair few of them
Speaker 2: will be like, well, I'm gonna go to Microsoft.
Speaker 5: Now, That's what I was just about to ask you guys.
Speaker 5: Could Xbox I'm not saying I don't like the whole
Speaker 5: Win thing, but could Xbox do a lot better this
Speaker 5: gen just by being there, just by being on the
Speaker 5: shelf and having a for in the UK two hundred
Speaker 5: and fifty pounds console that's ridiculously cheap. Could just by
Speaker 5: being there could they do doing a good bit of business?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I don't think it would just be
Speaker 1: the fact that they're there. I honestly think, like we've
Speaker 1: been talking about, their messaging has been so much better,
Speaker 1: not even compared to Sony, but like when you just
Speaker 1: look at how the Xbox One was messaged, like they
Speaker 1: got off on like every single wrong foot you could
Speaker 1: possibly get off on, and now I feel like they're
Speaker 1: really coming at this strong and they have a good
Speaker 1: understanding of what to do, So I think that is
Speaker 1: going to be in their favorite quite a bit. I
Speaker 1: think Sony will probably outsell the PlayStation five, will almost
Speaker 1: definitely outsell the Xbox, but I think starting out it's
Speaker 1: going to be pretty close. I wouldn't be surprised if
Speaker 1: Xbox does kind of come out ahead maybe a little
Speaker 1: bit early on, just because that. I think the big
Speaker 1: thing that Microsoft doesn't really have for it is the
Speaker 1: fact that all of these games, like I'm going to
Speaker 1: play all these games on my PC, you know, like
Speaker 1: I'll get it at a series X because for work
Speaker 1: like to capture, to do all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: But if I wasn't doing this, I've said it before
Speaker 1: on the podcast, I probably would just be playing these
Speaker 1: games on my PC. But you know, Phil Spencers doesn't
Speaker 1: care about how many people buy. He just wants people
Speaker 1: on game Pass. And I'm on game Pass, so he's
Speaker 1: already got me to an extent. I guess, right, exactly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I do see a case where I mean,
Speaker 4: so like if you're looking at the November tenth versus
Speaker 4: November twelfth, I don't think that's like a major difference
Speaker 4: from the average person. But if we're looking at November
Speaker 4: tenth versus November nineteenth, if I'm someone, I mean, you
Speaker 4: got Valhalla coming out November tenth, If you're really really
Speaker 4: into Assassin's creat if you're not a PC person, like
Speaker 4: you got that's the Xbox is your option for that.
Speaker 4: And then you know, if I'm waiting for Cyberpunk and
Speaker 4: I don't know, I'm getting my my PS five on
Speaker 4: the nineteenth, but I can get my Xbox on the
Speaker 4: tenth and like be ready and if there are pre
Speaker 4: loads or whatever, that's going to look like like and
Speaker 4: if I'm like day one, I want to play a
Speaker 4: cyberpunk like I do see the case where that might
Speaker 4: be the tipping like the deciding factor for some people,
Speaker 4: because I do think like for the majority of people,
Speaker 4: you're going to be it's just going to be driven
Speaker 4: by what game do I want to play and what
Speaker 4: platform is my friend playing on? So that I mean,
Speaker 4: historically that has been the the decide factor for PlayStation
Speaker 4: an Xbox and Nintendo is its own thing, but yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean I only brought up the the Xbox confusing
Speaker 4: naming scheme because I do think I just wanted to
Speaker 4: address fixer what you talked about earlier about like kind
Speaker 4: of uneven criticism of Xbox and Sony. I do think
Speaker 4: that you see that sometimes, and I think, like I
Speaker 4: think there is a lot of Sony loyalty that comes
Speaker 4: with a lot of those exclusive games, and it really
Speaker 4: does come down to the games. I think there's you
Speaker 4: kind of have nostalgia goggles. I think definite people definitely
Speaker 4: do that with Nintendo and forgive Nintendo for their like
Speaker 4: weird quirky thing. I mean forgive maybe isn't the right word,
Speaker 4: like tolerate some like some annoying things because it's like,
Speaker 4: wells Nintendo. I think, you know, maybe it's like a
Speaker 4: canned answer to say it depends on the games. But
Speaker 4: I do think that, like as far as the messaging
Speaker 4: goes for the new Xboxes and the PS five, like,
Speaker 4: I do think both have had some stumbling blocks. I
Speaker 4: think the name scheme for the series Xbox series series,
Speaker 4: and then you know the pre orders for PS five,
Speaker 4: the staggered launch dates. I mean there's there's some stumbling
Speaker 4: blocks for both. So I do think like it has
Speaker 4: to come down to what platform am I going to
Speaker 4: be able to play the game I want to play?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean to your point too, Kelly, Like
Speaker 1: I imagine a lot of people, like if you're not
Speaker 1: playing on PC, you probably have like that old Xbox
Speaker 1: like Xbox one s to the original Xbox One, and
Speaker 1: like man to get into the next gen for you know,
Speaker 1: three hundred bucks if you're here, like that's a pretty
Speaker 1: good deal. And especially like you're saying, if you're excited
Speaker 1: for Cyberpunk but you want to play it on next
Speaker 1: gen and you can't find a PlayStation, but you can
Speaker 1: find a series suh. I think I may have mixed
Speaker 1: those up at some point. But if you if you
Speaker 1: can find a series s, it's like, okay, well then
Speaker 1: I can. At least I think they said ray Tracing
Speaker 1: is going to be on next gen consoles for Cyberpunk,
Speaker 1: like you can you can be a part of that,
Speaker 1: which which I imagine is like a big seller for a
Speaker 1: lot of people.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and like specifically with Cyberpunk, I mean, this is
Speaker 4: this is something I have to take into account for work,
Speaker 4: which is why I'm thinking about it. Is the cost
Speaker 4: for me to upgrade my PC to a place where
Speaker 4: I can play Cyberpunk is a lot higher than the
Speaker 4: cost to upgrade to that an Xbox or a PS five.
Speaker 4: I mean for me, it's not going to depend on
Speaker 4: the timing necessarily, but like I have a standard PS
Speaker 4: four and I have a standard Xbox, I'm not confident
Speaker 4: I can run Cyberpunk on those. I don't think I
Speaker 4: can run Cyberpunk on my PC. So it like playing
Speaker 4: on an next gen console is going to be really
Speaker 4: beneficial for me. And I think when you look at
Speaker 4: the cost to like the cost of entry to play
Speaker 4: a game like that, like top of the line, super
Speaker 4: high tech, like really demanding technologically technically, not technologically, I
Speaker 4: do think like, especially if you're in a region that
Speaker 4: isn't getting the PS five on the nineteenth, it might
Speaker 4: be safer to go for Xbox because at least you
Speaker 4: have that buffer if you want to play day one.
Speaker 1: Well, we've been talking a long time about the PlayStation
Speaker 1: where over an hour now, but we still listener questions,
Speaker 1: so let's move on to these. If you've got any
Speaker 1: questions for us, you can email us at after Dark
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Speaker 1: right in there. But anyway, let's move on questions.
Speaker 4: This is from sketched in inc on discord. Are there
Speaker 4: any games that you played growing up or even recently
Speaker 4: that you got stuck and couldn't figure out what to do,
Speaker 4: either based on your own error or the games growing up.
Speaker 4: Pokemon Gold was one of the first games I played.
Speaker 4: I restarted my game hundreds of times because I didn't
Speaker 4: realize you had to backtrack a little after catching the
Speaker 4: red Garrettus. I thought I was playing the game and
Speaker 4: doing something wrong, so I would catch it, defeat it,
Speaker 4: name it, try and ignore it, and would ever progress
Speaker 4: in the game. I was at an age where I
Speaker 4: skipped through the text mostly and therefore never realized until
Speaker 4: recently how to progress in that game. Well that's rough, buddy.
Speaker 6: I remember that red Carrotofs thing being annoying as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say. I remember renting Okarina of Time
Speaker 4: back in the day where we only rented games because
Speaker 4: they're expensive. As we have discussed at length, renting Okarina
Speaker 4: of Time and I couldn't figure out how to get
Speaker 4: the Kochery Sword and then I had to return the
Speaker 4: game and then I never I never beat it until
Speaker 4: it was on three D S.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say. Zelda is probably the big one
Speaker 1: that stands out for me because like uh sketched an inc,
Speaker 1: I did not read textboxes. Typically even when I could read,
Speaker 1: I was like, nah, I'm playing a video game. I
Speaker 1: don't want to freaking read, so I'd skip through all
Speaker 1: that uh, and then I just get stuck. But also
Speaker 1: some of the puzzles in that game were like pretty
Speaker 1: tough if you're you know, a young kid, So like you,
Speaker 1: I don't think I finished. I think the first Zelda
Speaker 1: game I finished may have been maybe like Oracle of Seasons,
Speaker 1: and then I went back and like finished a lot
Speaker 1: of those games.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Mine, mine's very similar to both of you.
Speaker 5: Mine's Final Fancy and Zelda at any game with reading,
Speaker 5: because I'm dyslexic, so reading reading for me, and it's
Speaker 5: something every day that I still struggle with. Reading in
Speaker 5: video games for me is like the worst thing, especially
Speaker 5: being a streamer, because I get the anxiety of having
Speaker 5: to read out loud in front of people is even
Speaker 5: worse for me. So don't ask me to read the
Speaker 5: next question because I was getting scared I won't.
Speaker 1: Do it, Like I am terrible at reading things. Everybody
Speaker 1: listens to this podcast, and you guys know.
Speaker 5: It's one of those things when doing my exbox in me,
Speaker 5: I've gotten better and it's a skill that you definitely
Speaker 5: learn and if you just keep doing it, you get better.
Speaker 5: But yeah, Zelda Final Fantasy seven again. I've played the
Speaker 5: original maybe seven or eight times, like never beat it.
Speaker 5: Played the remake this year, which is currently my game
Speaker 5: of the Year, and had a magical moment with that
Speaker 5: game because it was like, I know this, but I
Speaker 5: don't really know this. So I never knew that Bara
Speaker 5: and Clad hated each other ever because I never read it.
Speaker 5: So they're just two little, two little things that gan
Speaker 5: angry at each other. I can't tell what they're doing.
Speaker 5: I'm not reading it as a as a kid. So
Speaker 5: I was like, when I actually finally played that game,
Speaker 5: I was like, they don't like each other, they're not
Speaker 5: really friends like he's been.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god. So it was just
Speaker 3: like a whole new experience for me.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I got stuck on literally every game that
Speaker 5: involved reading Pokemon as well, I remember getting just call
Speaker 5: everywhere like this is frustrating. Why do I even bother?
Speaker 5: Let me go to play FIFA? So I want to
Speaker 5: play FIFA.
Speaker 4: I love to read, so I was always good with
Speaker 4: the ones where they tell you what to do, but
Speaker 4: Zelda doesn't often tell you what to do, especially those
Speaker 4: old of us.
Speaker 2: I was just like, huh, I'm trying to think of anything.
Speaker 6: I can't. I can't.
Speaker 2: Nothing comes to mind, mainly because I think I if
Speaker 2: something frustrates me, I quickly leave it before it really
Speaker 2: gets to.
Speaker 6: Like a fiery frustration or like or like really And.
Speaker 2: Usually if I can't figure something out, like it's because
Speaker 2: you know, I generally chalk it up to maybe I'm
Speaker 2: either too stupid or the game isn't designed in a
Speaker 2: way that kind of makes it clear what I need
Speaker 2: to do, and either of those cases, unless i'm reviewing it,
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, I guess this is not for me. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but thankfully, like it hasn't happened that much. I could
Speaker 2: probably think of like some old, like you know, classic
Speaker 2: games that were obtusely designed, like Bart's Nightmare, the Simpsons game.
Speaker 2: I think that's what it's called absolutely horrible game. To play,
Speaker 2: like back in the day's it was so crushingly bad.
Speaker 2: I remember I played it and it made me like
Speaker 2: so upset that I got sick one day.
Speaker 6: I was like trying.
Speaker 2: I was like physically like I was like under the
Speaker 2: weather after playing it, because it was just so obtuse
Speaker 2: and weird and like hard to play and nothing worked
Speaker 2: the way you wanted it to work. And I was
Speaker 2: playing on a Mega Drive at the time or a Genesis,
Speaker 2: and every part of it was infuriating, and I just
Speaker 2: like I got into that thing. I think this is
Speaker 2: where I learned my lesson, where I like got angry
Speaker 2: to the point where I was like, now I'm going
Speaker 2: to do this, and like I did eventually do it.
Speaker 2: But then that's why I learned, Like, is there's no
Speaker 2: point in playing things if you're just annoyed. It's not
Speaker 2: worth it, Like you make yourself sick.
Speaker 4: Next time you review a game that's not good, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna be like, is it bad enough to make you sick?
Speaker 4: If not the score up a.
Speaker 2: Little bit, Yeah, I genuinely it made me sick on
Speaker 2: like the day before EAD as well, which is like
Speaker 2: Muslim Christmas.
Speaker 6: So like I like I was sick there that day,
Speaker 6: and there were people are like, what happened? I was like,
Speaker 6: but to nightmare, that's what happened.
Speaker 1: Next question goes from Chase MM eighteen. Hey, my favorite
Speaker 1: podcast crew. Have you guys ever made the mistake of
Speaker 1: reading the comments section on a game review? For literally
Speaker 1: any game on your website? How do you feel about
Speaker 1: some of the insane toxic behavior around around something is
Speaker 1: as simple as giving the game of seven? How do you,
Speaker 1: guys keep yourselves from going nuts or being dragged down
Speaker 1: by negativity? Thank you for all that you do.
Speaker 4: Thank you for the kind words. The answer is, I
Speaker 4: don't read any of them.
Speaker 3: That's small, very small, that's very interesting.
Speaker 1: It depends, Oh go ahead, It depends for me. Like
Speaker 1: if it's something I put a lot of effort into
Speaker 1: and it's something I'm excited about, usually I'll read the comments,
Speaker 1: and if it's something I know that people like, it's
Speaker 1: not super controversial. Like I don't do many reviews, so
Speaker 1: a lot of what I do typically isn't super controversial,
Speaker 1: so I'm not too worried. But like if it's something
Speaker 1: that someone like, like if it's a guide or something
Speaker 1: like that, or maybe something that I know is going
Speaker 1: to get a lot of activity. No, I peace out
Speaker 1: so hard.
Speaker 4: I The secret is that I am just inherently controversial
Speaker 4: to some people, so it doesn't matter what I write
Speaker 4: about necessarily. This is like I think I've mentioned this before,
Speaker 4: but I want to change my Twitter handle so bad.
Speaker 4: But I'm afraid you to lose my verification because it's
Speaker 4: the only thing that makes Twitter usable for me, because
Speaker 4: there's a setting where I can like limit, like there's
Speaker 4: a quality filter for tweets and it just limits, like
Speaker 4: like you can set it so accounts that haven't verified
Speaker 4: their email, you won't see their notifications, uh if they haven't,
Speaker 4: if they haven't set a profile picture, like just stuff
Speaker 4: that like, so I don't see like bots or people
Speaker 4: who've just created an account to harass me. So I
Speaker 4: do what I can to avoid seeing this stuff. However,
Speaker 4: I do see a good amount of it. I don't know.
Speaker 4: To answer the question, I guess, like, like, how do
Speaker 4: you keep yourself from going nuts or getting dragged down
Speaker 4: by it? I mean I definitely like I just do.
Speaker 4: I just do get dragged down by the negativity.
Speaker 3: Sometimes Mine's very different.
Speaker 5: Obviously, I haven't got a website and we don't do
Speaker 5: like schored reviews. We do have a website, but we
Speaker 5: don't do schored reviews really, and I don't. I don't
Speaker 5: write for the website. I mainly do YouTube content, which
Speaker 5: again it can be assessmole, especially being mixed rice on
Speaker 5: the internet. Very hard. I've saw of learned. I've got
Speaker 5: quite tough skin. It's just the way I was brought up,
Speaker 5: sort of. You have to be in from London, being
Speaker 5: from England, being from a cancer or states that which
Speaker 5: is I think it's like the projects for you guys
Speaker 5: in America.
Speaker 3: I think it's like that sort of thing.
Speaker 5: For me, it's a case of I've learned very quickly
Speaker 5: that I don't listen to all of the good and
Speaker 5: I don't listen to all of the bad. They're both
Speaker 5: neutral because you can get high on your own supply
Speaker 5: a way too much. Where I'm sitting here with you
Speaker 5: guys to see a dream come true for me, right,
Speaker 5: but I have to treat that with the same thing
Speaker 5: as when I do my Xbox in me, just like
Speaker 5: when I've done anything else, because as soon as you
Speaker 5: come up a little bit too much, people are quick
Speaker 5: to drag you down. And as soon as you're a
Speaker 5: little bit. Do you understand what I mean by that?
Speaker 5: The only time I don't have tolerance for stupid comments. Again,
Speaker 5: if you don't like what I say, no problem. If
Speaker 5: you don't like my voice, no problem. If you think
Speaker 5: I'm this, no problem. Like that's not a problem with me.
Speaker 5: But when you're racist or just rude for no reason,
Speaker 5: that's when I have a problem. But yeah, I read
Speaker 5: all of my comments. I read as me as my
Speaker 5: tweet as I can. I try and respond even in
Speaker 5: sometime in a passive aggressive way. And by sometimes I
Speaker 5: mean most of the time. Probably I don't see my tweets.
Speaker 5: There's a quality think I didn't even know that.
Speaker 3: I just get verifact I helped me out here like both.
Speaker 3: But yeah, for me, it's I just try.
Speaker 5: I try to stay very fifty to fifty like the
Speaker 5: goods are the goods are just as good as the bad,
Speaker 5: the bad are just as good, and just keep moving forward.
Speaker 3: And that's very easier said than done.
Speaker 5: I've had I tweeted out the other day, I had
Speaker 5: a bunch of some people jumped in my stream and
Speaker 5: followed me with a bunch of race if races, I can,
Speaker 5: as I tweeted about it and that in that moment
Speaker 5: while you're live is one of the hardest things for
Speaker 5: me to deal with because and my my chat who
Speaker 5: are my amazing community, they know that something's wrong and
Speaker 5: they literally go fix what's wrong. And I'm like, I
Speaker 5: can't say, just just let me deal with this for
Speaker 5: a second and we'll go on from there. But yeah,
Speaker 5: I totally agree that you get you do get brought
Speaker 5: down by it. We're humans at the end of the day,
Speaker 5: and I think people forget that a lot of the time.
Speaker 5: Where human beings, we have feelings, We work hard on
Speaker 5: a lot of content. At least I know why I do.
Speaker 5: And for me, it's like you cannot like something, but
Speaker 5: you can be constructive about that and not just this
Speaker 5: is really bad or I was gonna swear but I'm
Speaker 5: gonna try not to, but you know what i mean, Like,
Speaker 5: it's just it's ridiculous. But yeah, you never you never
Speaker 5: learn to deal with it, but you also do learn
Speaker 5: to deal with it.
Speaker 3: It's super strange.
Speaker 2: I feel like, yeah, I mean, first of all, big
Speaker 2: up Council of State boys from the hood, bro, I
Speaker 2: told you, yeah, man, got like beating up on a
Speaker 2: daily to go to the park.
Speaker 6: To day. Yeah them days, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had eight people living in two bedroom flat.
Speaker 6: Let's go.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that's that's I think Fixa's approaches right, Like
Speaker 2: I I do read a lot of it because i'd
Speaker 2: like to. I think like, if you're going to read
Speaker 2: a lot of it, you need to have thick skin. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And I feel like I am someone who does have
Speaker 2: thick skin, and I can usually take it.
Speaker 6: I generally won't get involved.
Speaker 2: Like if someone calls me out on something or says
Speaker 2: something bad to me, I ignore it. Like I have a
Speaker 2: mottel and I spread it as much as I can.
Speaker 2: See the drama, don't be the drama. Like that's my
Speaker 2: one hundred percent life motto. Don't don't get involved in it.
Speaker 2: Notice it, but don't get involved in it. And the
Speaker 2: reason I say see the drama more recently is because,
Speaker 2: like if you follow me on Twitter, you've seen that
Speaker 2: I've started posting all the racist shit that people say
Speaker 2: to me.
Speaker 6: And that's the reason I did.
Speaker 2: That was because I felt like it was important because
Speaker 2: up until this point, for years, anytime I've been on
Speaker 2: a video to stream or anything a podcast, I've had
Speaker 2: people say you look like a terrorist you or a terrorist,
Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, the usual boring shit.
Speaker 2: And I've always just ignored it and acted like it
Speaker 2: doesn't happen. But lately I've been thinking, like, in not
Speaker 2: actually surfacing that I'm actually sweeping it under the rug
Speaker 2: and showing it, acting like it just doesn't exist, which
Speaker 2: is dangerous for people who might be looking at me
Speaker 2: and you know, look like me and come from my background,
Speaker 2: because to them, if they're just using me as like
Speaker 2: an example, it might look safe and they might not
Speaker 2: be prepared if they think I want to do this,
Speaker 2: I'm going into this and if they get here, and
Speaker 2: the question, ever is like why didn't anyone tell me
Speaker 2: that it's like this, I probably wouldn't have done this
Speaker 2: or I'd been more prepared. That's something that really worried me,
Speaker 2: which is why I started posting the stuff. When people
Speaker 2: say that stuff on Twitter or not, because like, it
Speaker 2: was such a back and forth about whether I want
Speaker 2: to post it or not, because I didn't want it
Speaker 2: to be a thing where like, hey, I'm personalist because
Speaker 2: I want sympathy. I appreciate the sympathy, and it does
Speaker 2: generally help, Like it helps in that moment to know
Speaker 2: that there's people out there that feel the opposite and
Speaker 2: will support you, But I don't need that sympathy. My
Speaker 2: main concern was if there are people out there who
Speaker 2: you know, look like us, or not just me and Fixer,
Speaker 2: but people like you guys as well, who have opinions
Speaker 2: about things and have ideas that they want to, you know,
Speaker 2: stand up for. They need to know that it's not
Speaker 2: all roses and on the sunshine here. When you say something,
Speaker 2: you might get attacked and need to be prepared for that.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, And like I too, like really like I used
Speaker 4: to read comments a lot, and I do read the
Speaker 4: replies that don't get filtered out of my Twitter because
Speaker 4: I do want to like see what people think, and
Speaker 4: I do appreciate feedback. But like, for me, it's just
Speaker 4: like the majority of the comments on YouTube are just
Speaker 4: going to be about what I look like. There are
Speaker 4: people who hate me for no reason so like or
Speaker 4: like reasons that aren't true, Like they think something about
Speaker 4: me that's not true. So it's a hard balance to
Speaker 4: find because it's like I do want to see you know,
Speaker 4: I want to improve. I'm always trying to improve, but
Speaker 4: I I it's very difficult when it's like the criticism
Speaker 4: is just like you're fat and ugly and also you
Speaker 4: uh yeah, I mean like I'm with you to more
Speaker 4: where it's like you want to bring attention to it.
Speaker 4: But the sympathy is also a weird thing because it's like,
Speaker 4: you know, I've just you deal with this kind of
Speaker 4: thing your whole life, and it's like, yeah, it sucks,
Speaker 4: but I just want you to know that it happens,
Speaker 4: because like there's this whole other layer of things that
Speaker 4: you deal with when you do when you put yourself
Speaker 4: out there that people might not be aware of. But
Speaker 4: the thing that frustrates me is is I sometimes feel
Speaker 4: like I only really get attention when I like tell
Speaker 4: a guy's mom on him, which, by the way, worked.
Speaker 4: I haven't gotten a single hate message on Facebook since
Speaker 4: that happened, and it's like I'd rather just get attention
Speaker 4: from my work. So you do have to kind of
Speaker 4: find a balance there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And the thing that people need to know is
Speaker 2: people are not going to be creative or the way
Speaker 2: they hate, like they're so shit about it.
Speaker 6: They're so shit. I like, at least be at least
Speaker 6: be creative.
Speaker 2: Don't you use the same boring shit because you're not
Speaker 2: offending us, you're.
Speaker 6: Just really boring up. Yeah, you do that stuff.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that people who might be listening to
Speaker 2: this that are out there being haters should do that more.
Speaker 2: But right so, the amount of times that I've seen
Speaker 2: the same one pop over again, I'm like, at least try,
Speaker 2: like try.
Speaker 5: My thing is also on this, and it's the people
Speaker 5: that listen to this are good people who enjoy this podcast.
Speaker 5: Tell the people on the podcast you don't for me,
Speaker 5: I don't. Maybe I'm small, obviously, I'm just on my
Speaker 5: come up sort of thing, but there is nothing more
Speaker 5: special to me when I see a photo of whether
Speaker 5: it's the screen from a video or someone out of
Speaker 5: me saying you did a great job on this. And
Speaker 5: that's not me asking for it as well. But it's like,
Speaker 5: we get so much negative that you don't get that
Speaker 5: same positive back.
Speaker 3: You don't. It's just you're listening to this podcast.
Speaker 5: Now, you're driving your car, you're doing whatever you're doing,
Speaker 5: and you listen to it. That was a great episode
Speaker 5: and you're off where If someone doesn't like me, I
Speaker 5: promise you they'd go in to come for me and
Speaker 5: that sucks.
Speaker 3: But yeah, try and keep it both ways, you know.
Speaker 4: Costive, I will say, we do get a lot of
Speaker 4: great feedback, like positive feedback on this podcast, like the
Speaker 4: Discord group. Everyone's like, I think we get a lot
Speaker 4: of good conversations in there, even if they aren't like, Wow,
Speaker 4: the podcast was so good. Like I just liked being
Speaker 4: like the Dungan Ramp thing I talked about earlier. I
Speaker 4: just liked seeing people talking about don Gan raump. But
Speaker 4: that maybe me really happy just because like I had
Speaker 4: mentioned it, so that that does totally help.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Discord has been great because it does kind
Speaker 1: of offer that like like occasionally we'll get feedback on
Speaker 1: our work there and it's like it's like, Okay, this
Speaker 1: is like genuine legitimate feedback that someone's giving me. It's
Speaker 1: not just like oh this person sucks, you know. It's
Speaker 1: like it's much easier to work with that. But but yeah,
Speaker 1: I will say, like a big thing too, is that,
Speaker 1: Like I remember when I started, I checked the comments
Speaker 1: on every video from like top to bottom, like I
Speaker 1: just wanted to see everything, and I think part of
Speaker 1: it was that, like I don't know if it's necessarily
Speaker 1: that I've built a thick skin, but it's more just
Speaker 1: like I can kind of expect the reactions too, And
Speaker 1: I'm mostly speaking just YouTube comments here. Yeah, I can
Speaker 1: kind of expect the reactions I'm going to get depending
Speaker 1: on things. So it's something I'm excited about. Like I
Speaker 1: still usually check those comments, but a lot of times
Speaker 1: it's like okay, Like, like the way I'm presenting this information,
Speaker 1: I know people aren't gonna like and maybe that's something
Speaker 1: I need to work on. Maybe I need to find
Speaker 1: a better way to present this information, but this is
Speaker 1: how I am presenting it in the moment, and I
Speaker 1: know that people are going to be mad about it,
Speaker 1: like I remember doing. Like I've been thinking about doing
Speaker 1: a video on Breakpoint, which is a game that I've
Speaker 1: been revisiting recently and I've been having a lot of
Speaker 1: fun with it. But I know that making a video
Speaker 1: about Breakpoint, no matter what I say about this game,
Speaker 1: is just gonna be a shit show because people hate
Speaker 1: that game and people hate anyone who backs it up.
Speaker 1: Like Mike did a video on it saying like, hey,
Speaker 1: there is I know this game has problems, but there
Speaker 1: is something I like about this game and he just
Speaker 1: got like dogpiled on because of it. So it's interesting,
Speaker 1: Like i'd say, I would say I strategically look at comments.
Speaker 1: That being said, I see everything on Twitter pretty much,
Speaker 1: even if I don't respond, I see all of that.
Speaker 1: I don't have any quality filters. Occasionally, like I'll tweet
Speaker 1: something and I'll see that more replies thing there, and
Speaker 1: I'll still click on it, and I always and see
Speaker 1: what people are saying and see how mad they are,
Speaker 1: because I feel like sometimes it's just someone cussing about
Speaker 1: like agreeing with me, but they said a bad words.
Speaker 1: The Twitter's like, oh this might be you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's tricky. I probably should be better about looking
Speaker 1: at all that stuff so I can take more of
Speaker 1: that feedback into consideration. But it just got to a
Speaker 1: point where it was like I've seen so much of this,
Speaker 1: I know, I kind of know what to expect, and
Speaker 1: like the thing I have to clarify too is that
Speaker 1: like I'm not even a big name in this industry,
Speaker 1: you know, like the amount I get is nothing compared
Speaker 1: to the amount Callie gets, the amount to more gets
Speaker 1: the amount like like Lucy gets.
Speaker 2: For example, and you as well come on, I mean,
Speaker 2: like that that's an important thing. Like it's hard to
Speaker 2: imagine the scale of hate, the way it grows up,
Speaker 2: like like this is shooting for the other end of
Speaker 2: the spectrum. Like but like you know, someone like Greg Miller,
Speaker 2: for example, massive name in the industry, you could not
Speaker 2: imagine the amount of shit someone like him has to get,
Speaker 2: like Alana Peers or you know, whoever it may be
Speaker 2: in the industry. Like people who are public faces in
Speaker 2: a way that we aren't. You know, there's people at
Speaker 2: IgM that have the same you know, people at various
Speaker 2: other publications that have the same And it's important to
Speaker 2: recognize that the bigger you are, the more you have
Speaker 2: to deal with. And like the baseline, you will get
Speaker 2: shit when you put yourself out on the Internet or anywhere. Really,
Speaker 2: but like try and remember just because you know, it's
Speaker 2: like what Fixers said, where you show some love to
Speaker 2: the people that you know you appreciate. Just because someone
Speaker 2: like Greg Miller is incredibly successful in a big personality
Speaker 2: doesn't mean he doesn't need the same kind of you know,
Speaker 2: positive reinforcement. Doesn't mean that you know, CALLI or Jake
Speaker 2: or the same for like small people smaller like us,
Speaker 2: Like we're not on that scale anyone.
Speaker 3: Anyway, just show some love.
Speaker 2: To people who you appreciate and it will help them
Speaker 2: and it will help offset some of the real And
Speaker 2: the thing is, like, often it's not that difficult. One
Speaker 2: comment is usually enough to offset hundreds of bad ones.
Speaker 2: You could be that one comment, just like think about it.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying like send us that stuff, but I
Speaker 2: just keep that in mind. Like you might think, oh,
Speaker 2: someone's probably telling them, Maybe someone isn't.
Speaker 6: Maybe you could be that person. Yeah.
Speaker 1: One thing I've noticed is that when we put a
Speaker 1: comment on a YouTube video, like if I comment and
Speaker 1: pin it with the game spot account, that usually like
Speaker 1: kind of sets the standard for the discussion. Like, sure
Speaker 1: there'll still be haters, but at least like that comment
Speaker 1: on top, isn't someone being like this person's an ass
Speaker 1: And then it's just a bunch of people piling on
Speaker 1: and giving thumbs down and whatnot. But then the other
Speaker 1: thing too that I want to mention is that, like,
Speaker 1: like we put out a video and it gets a
Speaker 1: lot of dislikes or something like that, the thing to
Speaker 1: consider is that like usually the view count is so
Speaker 1: much higher and you have to realize that, like a
Speaker 1: lot of people don't interact with these videos, right, Like
Speaker 1: I don't like the videos I watch on YouTube. I
Speaker 1: almost never do that, not because just because I don't
Speaker 1: think about it. And that's I imagine how most people are.
Speaker 1: That's why you know, videos get like a video gets
Speaker 1: like sixty thousand views and there's like five hundred likes
Speaker 1: or a thousand dislikes or something like that. Like you
Speaker 1: just have to consider that, like a vast majority of
Speaker 1: the people aren't just on their keyboards ready to spew
Speaker 1: hey well they.
Speaker 5: Hey man, enjoyed the content and left they go of
Speaker 5: the things that does exactly. Yeah, it's the ones that
Speaker 5: don't have much going on. I'm not I'm not dissing
Speaker 5: all of y'all. But they've got time to write that
Speaker 5: mainful comment, they've got times to drop that.
Speaker 3: Disc lab, they've got time to do all that.
Speaker 5: The rest of us, we're just trying to work and
Speaker 5: get on with life and enjoy great content.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've been going on for quite a while. We
Speaker 1: have one more question. I think we can just knock
Speaker 1: this question out super quick and then we can close
Speaker 1: out this last one. Is Kevin from West Hartford, Connecticut.
Speaker 1: He says, hey, after our crew, when we look back
Speaker 1: at this generation of consoles, how do you think they
Speaker 1: will be remembered. Let's keep it short, fixer. Do you
Speaker 1: want to start with this?
Speaker 5: Xbox had no exclusives. That's how I remember the Xbox One.
Speaker 5: The best exclusive went to say, Sounds Overdrive.
Speaker 1: Huh, I know it to more is gonna say, but
Speaker 1: go ahead.
Speaker 6: It was the generation that gave us the greatest game
Speaker 6: of all time, Blood One.
Speaker 1: There we go, Kelly.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: For me, I think of it more in terms of
Speaker 4: like what was popularized, and I would say that was
Speaker 4: like the game as a service, definitely souls like becoming
Speaker 4: you know, it's emerging into a genre of its own right,
Speaker 4: and so that that is what I think about. I
Speaker 4: think we had a lot of issues this generation with
Speaker 4: you know, pain points I guess is probably the better
Speaker 4: term for with loop boxes and micro transactions. So there
Speaker 4: were a lot of growing pains as we emerged in
Speaker 4: to kind of like a new, more online, more living
Speaker 4: style of game. So that's that's my thing.
Speaker 1: The generation that gave us Garleton a bathtub. Yeah, yes, anyway,
Speaker 1: that's been episode fifty nine of Games About after dark.
Speaker 1: Thank you all so much for listening, and thank you
Speaker 1: guys for joining me before we go. CALLI where can
Speaker 1: people find you? What are you working on this week?
Speaker 1: And what's your Twitter handle?
Speaker 4: You can find me on Twitter at inky do gico
Speaker 4: I n k I d o j I k k
Speaker 4: oh I am you know. I continue to just work
Speaker 4: on reviews, getting ready for some you know, the for
Speaker 4: everything to hit. I mean, this summer has just been
Speaker 4: kind of like relentless, but unrelenting maybe it is a
Speaker 4: better word, but like just planning out how this, uh this,
Speaker 4: these launches are going to go, so a lot of
Speaker 4: background stuff two.
Speaker 2: More I am on Twitter at two more age and
Speaker 2: what am I doing? Because it should be a new
Speaker 2: episode of Generation next up by the time you watch
Speaker 2: this or listen to this. Sorry, we're talking about Sony again,
Speaker 2: So if you want another deep dive into that, have
Speaker 2: a look beyond that.
Speaker 6: I cannot even remember what I'm doing. I'm doing perhaps
Speaker 6: too much fix it?
Speaker 1: How about you?
Speaker 5: You can find me at mc fix or on Twitter
Speaker 5: and everywhere else at mc fix off se O baby
Speaker 5: s O. Honestly, I just want to take a moment
Speaker 5: say thank you so much for having me like this
Speaker 5: is a dream come true. It's a bucket list moment.
Speaker 5: Anyone who's trying to jump in this industry to be
Speaker 5: on this platform with you guys is fantastic, So thank
Speaker 5: you for giving them the opportunity. I hope body's okay, But yeah,
Speaker 5: you can find me everywhere at MC fix off, YouTube, Twitter, Twitch,
Speaker 5: There you go, I'm there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, shure up, show up to the to the Lads stream.
Speaker 2: It's good stuff. I've watched a few of them and
Speaker 2: it's always fun. Yeah, good community as well. Plus London
Speaker 2: Boy has got to represent got sport boy.
Speaker 1: You can find me at jacob Deck and hopefully this
Speaker 1: weekend a video about where the hell splinter Cell is
Speaker 1: should be up by me. I have done a lot
Speaker 1: of research, done a lot of ranting about where my
Speaker 1: boy Sam Fisher is, So hopefully that makes it this weekend.
Speaker 1: If not, it'll be early next week. Apart from that,
Speaker 1: we should have another cyberpunk lower video going up this
Speaker 1: weekend and it is about the gangs of cyberpunk. So
Speaker 1: after you've seen the stream tomorrow or I guess the
Speaker 1: streams already you've already seen it, you can check out
Speaker 1: this lower video about the gangs for a deeper dive,
Speaker 1: and that's it. See you next week, Bye bye.