Speaker 1: Golf Smarter number four hundred and forty five, originally published
Speaker 1: on July fifteenth, twenty fourteen.
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Speaker 3: There's acceptance and then there's release. But what I'm trying
Speaker 3: to explain to people is that acceptance is not a
Speaker 3: passive week term. Acceptance is a very peaceful warrior like
Speaker 3: term because you come to grips with the reality it
Speaker 3: is what it is. You don't have to like that
Speaker 3: you just double boge the first hole, but you must
Speaker 3: accept it. If there's one mustism in golf, you must
Speaker 3: accept it's history. It's a done deal. The last hole
Speaker 3: when whatever you made is Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, it's history.
Speaker 3: It's a done deal. You need to put it behind
Speaker 3: you and move on. And when you accept and your release,
Speaker 3: you now have closure on that event and you can
Speaker 3: now move into the new shot, re energize reinvigorated and
Speaker 3: ready to play with confidence and ready to play with
Speaker 3: new enthusiasm for the upcoming shots. And that's really what
Speaker 3: the invisible ink. You dismiss it, you get it through you,
Speaker 3: you move through it.
Speaker 4: Mistake Free Golf with Sports Psychologists to the pros, Doctor
Speaker 4: Bob Winters.
Speaker 2: This is Golf Smarter.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to Golf Smarter for members only, Doctor Bob.
Speaker 5: Fred. You know, it's great to be with you.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much.
Speaker 4: It has been a long time since you've been on
Speaker 4: the podcast. I was going back in the files and
Speaker 4: for those who don't remember or haven't had a chance
Speaker 4: to hear you before, you go back to the first
Speaker 4: time you were on episode number thirty nine, the Ten
Speaker 4: Commandments of Mind Power Golf and then on episode number
Speaker 4: one hundred and fifty one mental coach for David Ledbetter
Speaker 4: Golf Academy at the time. And now we talk about
Speaker 4: your brand new book, Mistake Free Golf.
Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you what you know it. You know,
Speaker 3: it kind of takes me back a little bit. And
Speaker 3: it's funny that you say that, because you know, a
Speaker 3: lot of water has crossed under the bridge since the
Speaker 3: last time we talked and I had. You know, a
Speaker 3: young sports psychologist came up to me the other day
Speaker 3: and it was kind of funny and it sort of
Speaker 3: dates me a little bit.
Speaker 5: And he said, doctor Winners, I've seen you. I've seen you.
Speaker 3: On the Golf Channel and I heard you on you know,
Speaker 3: Golf Smarter podcasts, and they were talking of all the
Speaker 3: things I've done.
Speaker 5: They said, I really want to thank.
Speaker 3: You for being one of the pioneers in the sport.
Speaker 3: And I sort of took me back a little bit. Fred,
Speaker 3: I'm sitting pioneers in the sport. He goes, yeah, you
Speaker 3: like one of the first people out there, and that
Speaker 3: sort of made me, you know, reflect that I've been
Speaker 3: in this you know business for a long time and
Speaker 3: I've done a lot of great things, met a lot
Speaker 3: of great people, you know, such as you, and getting
Speaker 3: a chance to give back, you know, to golfers. You know,
Speaker 3: really what I've enjoyed over the last forty five years,
Speaker 3: you know, playing golf at every level and doing what
Speaker 3: I do. So it's it's always great to be back.
Speaker 1: Oh thank you.
Speaker 4: So what is going on now? Where are you these
Speaker 4: this summer? What are you doing and where can we
Speaker 4: find you? Other than doctor Bob Winners dot com.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm pretty much, you know, traveling all over, but
Speaker 3: I am you know, stationed and based in Orlando, Florida.
Speaker 3: I am the residence sports psychologist for you know, David
Speaker 3: Ledbetter has Ledbetter Golf Academy World teaching headquarters at Championsgate, Florida.
Speaker 3: I also, you know, travel you know, the tour at
Speaker 3: different events, and I have a lot of great collegiate
Speaker 3: amateur players and tour players all over the globe. But
Speaker 3: you know, people have found me, you know, watching the
Speaker 3: Golf Channel. They know, go into you know, the website
Speaker 3: and they actually Google me and contact me, and so
Speaker 3: you know, we're all over. Plus, I'm right now speaking
Speaker 3: to you from my Nike Golf Schools, where I've been
Speaker 3: affiliated with them for about twenty four years, and I'm
Speaker 3: up here in the Berkshire Mountains right now for five weeks.
Speaker 3: And this has sort of really started about twenty one
Speaker 3: years ago doing these Nike Golf schools.
Speaker 5: And as you know, I've always.
Speaker 3: Told people, you know, I love to give back to
Speaker 3: the junior golfers because the junior golfers are our future.
Speaker 3: And every year I come back and this is sort
Speaker 3: of the fountain of youth for me, the polt stale
Speaker 3: leone up here in the Williams College up here in Williamstown, Massachusetts,
Speaker 3: beautifully located in the Berkshire Mountains up here in western Massachusetts.
Speaker 3: And so I get to see these beautiful young golfers,
Speaker 3: you know, ages twelve to seventeen, and they have this
Speaker 3: sense of innocence, this sense of naive ta, this enthusiasm,
Speaker 3: and I always love to get re energized and kind
Speaker 3: of you know, get get an inoculation, get another shot,
Speaker 3: you know, all that great stuff that they have. Because
Speaker 3: it seems like golf, because it's such a brutal and
Speaker 3: emotionally tough game, it sort of, you know, kind of
Speaker 3: wears us down. It kind of you know, scars us
Speaker 3: up a little bit. So it's nice to get some
Speaker 3: you know, fresh thoughts, some fresh blood and some fresh
Speaker 3: ideas going. And plus, you know, it's a it's a
Speaker 3: nice way for me to actually introduce my theories, my
Speaker 3: philosophies to junior golfers and and see what their impressions are.
Speaker 3: And we can actually start, you know, talking about a
Speaker 3: lot of new creations and new intervention strategies. So they're
Speaker 3: a great audience to introduce it to and then I
Speaker 3: take it out on the tours and then we're having
Speaker 3: a blast with it up here.
Speaker 1: Very cool, very cool.
Speaker 4: When you say their naivete, how is it that some
Speaker 4: of these young players, like we had an eleven year
Speaker 4: old girl on the at the US Open right for
Speaker 4: for the PGA, the Women's LPGA US Open. Yes, how
Speaker 4: is it that these kids and there's so many young
Speaker 4: people that are getting onto the upper level, the top
Speaker 4: level of golf competition. What is it about their naive
Speaker 4: ta that gets them there? Or is it because of
Speaker 4: their naiveta that allows them to compete at that level
Speaker 4: and not feel the pressure, or let me ask it
Speaker 4: a different way, do they feel the pressure that somebody
Speaker 4: with experience feels.
Speaker 3: Well, I think you have to understand really where fear
Speaker 3: comes from, and fear sort of resides in the past,
Speaker 3: and I think you know, when you have a young person,
Speaker 3: perhaps they don't have that many learned fear experiences, so
Speaker 3: they really don't have a backlog of negative memories. They
Speaker 3: sort of have sort of a fresh slate. So when
Speaker 3: you have I believe her name was Lucy Lee, who
Speaker 3: comes in as inn the eleven year old, and I
Speaker 3: love you know that she's shooting seventy seven, seventy eight
Speaker 3: in the US Women's Open at Pinehurst number two when
Speaker 3: they had the golf course really set up, and at
Speaker 3: her post round interview, there she is, you know, being
Speaker 3: an eleven year old, dripping ice cream over her golf
Speaker 3: shoes and saying, well, my whole goal was to go
Speaker 3: out and have some fun. So I mean, as far
Speaker 3: as her expectations, her expectations weren't of shooting the lowest
Speaker 3: score or winning the US Women's Open. Her expectation was
Speaker 3: more of a task or focus expectation that she expected
Speaker 3: to go out and have fun. She expected to go
Speaker 3: out and test her talent. You know, she expected to
Speaker 3: go out and beat the golf course and let the
Speaker 3: chips fall where they may. And that sort of perspective
Speaker 3: is really what I'm trying to do with the best
Speaker 3: players in the world, because what happens a lot of times,
Speaker 3: you know, you hear a lot of huff and puff,
Speaker 3: You hear a lot of talk around the locker rooms
Speaker 3: and oh this is going to happen, and Q school
Speaker 3: is so tough, and it's just hell week and you
Speaker 3: got to get through it, and you hear these war
Speaker 3: stories and it starts to make you a little bit
Speaker 3: more fragile as far as your psyche. So you've kind
Speaker 3: of got to let that stuff go. And it's refreshing
Speaker 3: when you see these young minds and the naivete is
Speaker 3: instead of saying why why why am I not? You know,
Speaker 3: why am I not succeeding, the young mind is saying, well,
Speaker 3: why not?
Speaker 5: Why not me?
Speaker 3: And let's just go out and go play. And I
Speaker 3: think Fred this is a huge thing when we start
Speaker 3: getting people going to Q School for the PGA and
Speaker 3: the LPGA tours or European, Korean or Japanese tour wherever
Speaker 3: I'm working with them, and it seems to me like
Speaker 3: the very first time that a player goes out and
Speaker 3: goes to Q school, they really don't know what to expect.
Speaker 3: So what we try to do is get them into
Speaker 3: task expectations. Expect that you're going to give a great
Speaker 3: effort into every shot. Expect that you're going to have
Speaker 3: some fun. Expect that it will be challenging. Because what
Speaker 3: happens as time goes on, you find that a lot
Speaker 3: of people who don't do well at Q school or
Speaker 3: don't do well at qualifying for US Open US Amateur events,
Speaker 3: they almost find ways to sabotage, well, you know, I
Speaker 3: failed before and this is the reason why. And instead
Speaker 3: of actually learning from those failures, they start to create
Speaker 3: this backlog of negative memories and they keep, you know,
Speaker 3: replaying those tapes over and over in their mind. And
Speaker 3: it seems like sometimes that the first time we do
Speaker 3: a thing, you know, we do it pretty well because
Speaker 3: we don't have that build up of fear or bad experiences.
Speaker 1: I'm a little bit stunned here now.
Speaker 4: You know that with a name like golf Smarter, that
Speaker 4: the golf psychology, the mental part of the game is
Speaker 4: a huge part of our content. I talk to a
Speaker 4: lot of different people who focus on helping people with
Speaker 4: their mental game. And you just talked about expectations, and
Speaker 4: that means focusing on outcome, doesn't it, And isn't that
Speaker 4: a no no?
Speaker 3: Well, you know you have to also take a look
Speaker 3: at that. Is that part of goals, goal setting, aspirations, expectations,
Speaker 3: Because an expectation is a preset standard of really how
Speaker 3: you think something should happen in the future. And so
Speaker 3: when you talk about expectations, there's a lot of negative
Speaker 3: expectations spread that golfers have, and the expectations that most
Speaker 3: golfers have, I think what I call the ninety nine percenters.
Speaker 3: They're always focusing everything around the results. They're focusing everything
Speaker 3: around the score. They focus everything around you know, their reputation,
Speaker 3: how they're going to look, you know, whether they win,
Speaker 3: you know. And so it's a very much an outcome
Speaker 3: focused expectation about something that they may or may not
Speaker 3: do in the future. So when I talk about expectations
Speaker 3: and what's the best type of expectation to have, it's
Speaker 3: a task expectancy that is in this moment. You know,
Speaker 3: I expect you to be totally committed to this shot
Speaker 3: at this moment. I expect you to have a great decision.
Speaker 3: I expect you to conduct yourself in a manner that says,
Speaker 3: I know what I need to do with this shot,
Speaker 3: and I'm going to stay in this moment and do
Speaker 3: the very best I can, and I'll let you know.
Speaker 3: The results speak for themselves.
Speaker 5: And I also.
Speaker 3: Expect at the end of this shot, I will accept
Speaker 3: whatever result I have because the result it is what
Speaker 3: it is. And so when we start talking about those
Speaker 3: type of expectancies. We're talking about an expectation that's going
Speaker 3: to happen in the immediate future or what we call,
Speaker 3: you know, the upcoming present. So that's really you know,
Speaker 3: kind of the difference there. One is a very far
Speaker 3: futuristic expectation and the other is an expectancy about what
Speaker 3: you're going to do with the shot in front of
Speaker 3: you right now.
Speaker 4: And are those the basic premises of or is that
Speaker 4: the basic premise of your philosophy, your teaching philosophy.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, my teaching philosophy is this fred is
Speaker 3: that anything's possible, you know, like the PGA tour logo
Speaker 3: and banner is Anything's possible. You know, I never say
Speaker 3: never to any of my students, And what I want
Speaker 3: them to, you know, to feel and to believe in
Speaker 3: the philosophy we're working on is that it's about you,
Speaker 3: your ball and the target and that's in your zone
Speaker 3: of control.
Speaker 5: So when you go.
Speaker 3: Out and play, I want you to feel like you
Speaker 3: can play anywhere, anytime, with anybody, under any conditions. And
Speaker 3: when you have that sort of a personal playing philosophy,
Speaker 3: it's a mission statement that allows you to go out
Speaker 3: and play to your talent and it doesn't matter who
Speaker 3: you're playing with, because what happens most golfers start looking around.
Speaker 3: They start thinking these questioning thoughts, like who's watching me?
Speaker 3: What do they think about me? Will I be able?
Speaker 3: You know, to measure up? And really, if you are
Speaker 3: totally taking care of yourself in the moment and being
Speaker 3: right here in the moment, you don't have to worry
Speaker 3: about anybody else because it is the most intimate relationship
Speaker 3: you have in golf, and that is with you, your thoughts,
Speaker 3: and your golf ball and the target. And when you
Speaker 3: do that, I mean you were in the precious present
Speaker 3: and that is the gift of the present moment, and
Speaker 3: that's what you give yourself.
Speaker 1: Let's get into your book.
Speaker 4: I'm very excited about the new book called Mistake Free
Speaker 4: Golf First Aid for your Golfing Brain. Very good title.
Speaker 5: I like it.
Speaker 4: It really tells a lot.
Speaker 1: Let's break it down. Let's hear a lot about it.
Speaker 3: Please, Well, you know, a mistake for you golf. You know,
Speaker 3: I have a lot of people say, well, where did
Speaker 3: that idea come from? Well, even after I had written
Speaker 3: you know, you know my other books, the mental Art
Speaker 3: of putting, using your mind to put your best, the
Speaker 3: Ten Commandments of Mind power golf and doing the putting genius,
Speaker 3: you know, DVDs and writing you know, golf fitness books
Speaker 3: and all of these other things I've done. I took
Speaker 3: a look and I said, most of the sports psychology
Speaker 3: books that we have, I mean, even starting you know,
Speaker 3: with with the early ones, they were always talking about
Speaker 3: these platitudes, these positivisms, these trite cliche expressions about be
Speaker 3: the ball, be in the moment, stay in the present moment.
Speaker 3: And even though I use these terms, what I really
Speaker 3: wanted to do was I wanted to elaborate and I
Speaker 3: wanted to have you know, the readers say, this is
Speaker 3: really what it means when you say I want to
Speaker 3: play one shot at a time. Because, as you know, Fred,
Speaker 3: if you go out and play with your guys and
Speaker 3: you say, hey, you just need to trust your swing.
Speaker 3: I think when people hear that, they go, YadA, YadA, YadA,
Speaker 3: trust your swing, blah blah blah, be in the moment.
Speaker 3: They don't know really what those things are. So when
Speaker 3: I had written Mistake Free Golf, I went around, starting
Speaker 3: in two thousand and six, and I went and asked
Speaker 3: the very best players in the world, a very simple question.
Speaker 3: I even went to the most emotionally challenged, the worst
Speaker 3: players that were playing at a high level and asking
Speaker 3: them what you know, they were thinking about and what
Speaker 3: was their greatest mental mistake that they committed during their careers.
Speaker 5: And just by.
Speaker 3: Asking that very simple question, almost to a man, woman,
Speaker 3: boy or girl who I asked it, I got, you know,
Speaker 3: an immediate response. It wasn't like something I had to contemplate.
Speaker 3: They say, well, you know, my biggest mental mistake is
Speaker 3: I just get ahead of myself, or you know, I
Speaker 3: worry about what other people think about me, or I
Speaker 3: just have too many thoughts in my head.
Speaker 5: So what I did.
Speaker 3: I started collecting all these very you know, one on
Speaker 3: one interviews and they were just based on one simple
Speaker 3: question and going around to the best players in the world.
Speaker 3: And so I started picking up all this unbelievable information,
Speaker 3: all this great data, and so I put it into
Speaker 3: a lot of different components titles, and I broke it
Speaker 3: down into nine very basic mental mistakes that almost all
Speaker 3: golfers make and mistake. Free Golf First Day for your
Speaker 3: golfing brain is really, I think the very first book
Speaker 3: and the only book that really takes a look at
Speaker 3: the mental mistakes that golfers make, and it gets away
Speaker 3: from the platitudes of positivity and it says, Okay, you know,
Speaker 3: if you're bleeding right and you're having a mental breakdown
Speaker 3: on the golf course, we need to apply a mental
Speaker 3: tourniquet now. We don't need to know, get back to
Speaker 3: the driving range and go see our guru here later
Speaker 3: and kind of sit on the couns for two hours.
Speaker 3: You need something right now to stop the bleeding. So
Speaker 3: that's why I call it first aid for your golfing brain.
Speaker 3: So really, what I take a look at, I take
Speaker 3: a look at the you know, the nine most common
Speaker 3: mental mistakes, and give very specific descriptions of what those
Speaker 3: mental mistakes are, and then I give specific strategies and interventions.
Speaker 3: Here's how to alleviate, here's how to stop, and here's
Speaker 3: how to prevent those mental mistakes from happening again. Because,
Speaker 3: as I say in the book in one of my chapters,
Speaker 3: no one is immune from making mistakes. What I'm trying
Speaker 3: to do is get golfers to stop making all these
Speaker 3: errors of omission, the errors of carelessness, the errors of misjudgment, miscalculation,
Speaker 3: and if we could actually just minimize a few mental
Speaker 3: errors each day on the golf course, you will start
Speaker 3: to play more consistently and more confidently. So that's really
Speaker 3: what mistake free golf is really all about.
Speaker 4: And isn't a successful golf all about playing with confidence?
Speaker 3: Well, it is a about playing with confidence, but more
Speaker 3: than confidence, because everybody wants to talk about playing with confidence.
Speaker 3: Let's understand really what confidence is. Confidence is one end
Speaker 3: of the spectrum. The other side of the spectrum is doubt.
Speaker 3: It's worry, it's anxiety. So everyone wants to play with
Speaker 3: confidence because why because it's the absence of doubt. And
Speaker 3: so I'm really, you know, trying to get away so
Speaker 3: much cam play, you know, having players play with confidence.
Speaker 3: I want you to play with a focus for execution
Speaker 3: because if you focus on executing the right things at
Speaker 3: the right time, you will have success spread. And when
Speaker 3: you start to have success, it creates a momentum of
Speaker 3: more success, and then you have more and more success,
Speaker 3: and then the residue at the end of the round,
Speaker 3: after you've had all these many successes, the residue you
Speaker 3: have is something that we call enduring confidence. Because what
Speaker 3: I call the ninety nine percenters versus the one percenter
Speaker 3: is the people that I work with. The ninety nine
Speaker 3: percent have something I call conditional confidence, and it's a
Speaker 3: false or spurious confidence. It's a pseudo confidence. And conditional
Speaker 3: confidence says, well, if I start off great, I'll feel confident.
Speaker 3: Then if I make that first three foot boy, okay,
Speaker 3: everything's good. Now, if I hit that first drive off
Speaker 3: of the opening tee in front of that gallery, okay,
Speaker 3: I'm good for the day. But I always say, okay,
Speaker 3: that's okay. Everybody understands that. But what happens when you
Speaker 3: start off, you know, for the first day.
Speaker 5: And you go bogey bogie double bogie?
Speaker 3: You know, I mean, do they stick a fork in
Speaker 3: you and put you on the barbie or do you
Speaker 3: sort of rebound? And really, if you are psychologically hardy
Speaker 3: and you're mentally strong, and you have what I call
Speaker 3: true confidence, and you focus on executing your game plan,
Speaker 3: you actually get through that bad stuff and you persevere
Speaker 3: and through a determined spirit and a disciplined mind, you
Speaker 3: actually start to play and you're now it starts to
Speaker 3: come out.
Speaker 5: In fact, this just happened.
Speaker 3: I was talking to one of my players last night
Speaker 3: and he was doing US Amateur qualifying and he's leading,
Speaker 3: you know, after the first round of the thirty six
Speaker 3: hole qualifying, and he said he started off bogey bogie bogie.
Speaker 3: He then proceeded, you know, to do nothing different, just
Speaker 3: stayed in the moment, continued to get to the next
Speaker 3: shot and played the shot in front of him, and
Speaker 3: he birdied four of the next five holes. So it's
Speaker 3: sort of that consistency and it's disciplined and that's really
Speaker 3: what mental training, mental skills training is all about. You
Speaker 3: could sit here and talk until the cows come in
Speaker 3: from the fields, Fred about you just got to be positive,
Speaker 3: You got to do breathing exercise, sing a happy tune.
Speaker 3: I don't tell people this, and I think people tell this.
Speaker 3: I don't know really why they're telling them this, other
Speaker 3: than if it makes them feel good. The point is
Speaker 3: people need specific strategies. They need something right now that works,
Speaker 3: that's effective, and they need also be away of what
Speaker 3: they're doing, you know, when they're doing things well, and
Speaker 3: they also need to be aware of what they're doing
Speaker 3: when they're not doing it so well.
Speaker 4: Dave Stockton was on the show a number of episodes
Speaker 4: back and he talked about looking at the clouds in
Speaker 4: between holes.
Speaker 1: It's like, why would you what?
Speaker 4: He says, just look at the clouds And I'm like
Speaker 4: why And he says, so you don't have to, you know,
Speaker 4: beat yourself up on what's about to happen next. You
Speaker 4: just get your mind out of it for the moment
Speaker 4: and just think of something else and then get yourself
Speaker 4: back into it.
Speaker 3: Well, I've heard all sorts of different things should people do.
Speaker 3: I mean, they're counting the number of steps in between
Speaker 3: the shot, they're counting the number of leaves on the tree,
Speaker 3: or the number of leaves that are on the ground.
Speaker 3: And I'm sitting there going wow, I mean, you are
Speaker 3: using a lot of energy, because that's the whole point
Speaker 3: about having you know, what we call a mental trigger,
Speaker 3: a trigger to get you into this next shot. And
Speaker 3: the time between a shot from your last shot to
Speaker 3: your upcoming shot, that should be a time where you're
Speaker 3: sort of mentally, you know, being reinvigorated, that you're sort
Speaker 3: of it's sort of a mental time out, and it's.
Speaker 1: Sort of like what would like to call a mental mulligan.
Speaker 3: Yeah mulligan, but yeah, a mental time out. Fred is
Speaker 3: just hey, you, okay, I don't have to think about
Speaker 3: golf right now. And really, what Dave's Dockton was probably
Speaker 3: alluding to was something that Walter Hagen and and all
Speaker 3: the older players used to say, Hey, you know, just
Speaker 3: you know, take a great walk, smell the flowers, and
Speaker 3: realize that nobody's getting out of here alive in the
Speaker 3: first place, so you might as well enjoy your time
Speaker 3: on the golf course. So those are some things that
Speaker 3: you know, we need to kind of really, you know,
Speaker 3: take a look at. But I really want, you know,
Speaker 3: the listeners to understand that, you know, we make all
Speaker 3: sorts of mistakes. I mean, that's really what mistake free
Speaker 3: golf is. It's it's a great catchy title because it
Speaker 3: really does grab your attention if I could play mistake free.
Speaker 3: But I mean, no one's immune from making mistakes. But
Speaker 3: I'm talking about if you understand what a mistake is.
Speaker 3: It's an error. It's an error in movement, an error
Speaker 3: in calculation, or it's an error in judgment, and it's
Speaker 3: caused by sometimes just being a lazy carelessness, or there's
Speaker 3: insufficient knowledge or you have a misconception of what's going on.
Speaker 3: And so when we talk about errors. You have physical errors,
Speaker 3: you have mental errors, you have emotional errors, and you
Speaker 3: even have sensory errors, meaning you didn't really see the
Speaker 3: proper break and you made a mistake and you actually
Speaker 3: played it too far left and it just didn't, you know,
Speaker 3: break that much. Now that's a sensory error, which is
Speaker 3: a much tougher error to detect, but an error, you know,
Speaker 3: like I talk about, you know in chapter number two,
Speaker 3: I hit the ball when I know I'm not ready.
Speaker 3: I mean that right, There is a heinous error that
Speaker 3: some man golfers make.
Speaker 5: Fred they step into.
Speaker 3: The ball, they have full commitment, they're ready to go,
Speaker 3: but all of a sudden, the little puff of win,
Speaker 3: you know, kind of blows into their ear. You know,
Speaker 3: they think they might need a little bit more club,
Speaker 3: and they know they should back off. They know they're
Speaker 3: not totally ready, but they go ahead and hit it anyway.
Speaker 3: And it's funny how many people make that error. And
Speaker 3: what I really want to say in Mistake Free Golf
Speaker 3: is that anyone who goes out and buys it will
Speaker 3: realize right away that the best players in the world
Speaker 3: make the same mistakes that all recreational golfers make. They
Speaker 3: just don't make them as often, and when they do
Speaker 3: make them, it's for a lot more money and maybe
Speaker 3: for a title, and it's much more publicized. But they
Speaker 3: do make the same mistakes, and they have learned through
Speaker 3: the years to not make these mistakes because if they
Speaker 3: continue to make these same mistakes, they wouldn't be on
Speaker 3: tour very long.
Speaker 4: What did you mean before when you said errors of omission.
Speaker 3: Errors of a mission, just you know, not really knowing
Speaker 3: you know where the trouble is. Uh, just you know,
Speaker 3: errors of just just lack of understanding. I mean, so
Speaker 3: you know, an error of a mission there. You know,
Speaker 3: there's many different errors of a mission we can make
Speaker 3: in golf, but you have errors of comission, that is,
Speaker 3: you knowingly made a mistake, you made.
Speaker 5: A bad swing.
Speaker 3: But when I say errors of omission, it's like not
Speaker 3: really knowing what you did. Because Fred, most players come
Speaker 3: in to me and they say, doctor Winters, I know
Speaker 3: what it is that I'm supposed to be doing. I'm
Speaker 3: just not doing what it is that I know and
Speaker 3: I and I have to ask them, well, if you
Speaker 3: really know, you know what you need to be doing,
Speaker 3: then don't you think it would be a good thing
Speaker 3: to be, you know, continuing to do that, and why
Speaker 3: aren't you doing it? And they'll look at me and
Speaker 3: they'll say, I don't know. That's why I'm coming to
Speaker 3: see you. And then I asked they talked to them.
Speaker 3: I said, well, there's several reasons, he said, Because one is,
Speaker 3: maybe you really don't know what it is that you're doing.
Speaker 3: Maybe you think you do, but maybe it's a blind spot.
Speaker 3: Maybe you're not being aware of it, or you may
Speaker 3: be careless, or you may be just a mistake or
Speaker 3: just a sloth. But there's so many errors that we
Speaker 3: can make. Fred And when I'm trying to talk about
Speaker 3: in this book, in the Mistake for you Golf, you
Speaker 3: know book, this is this is like a training manual
Speaker 3: and I've had, you know, people say that this is
Speaker 3: the most complete, absolute book that they have read that
Speaker 3: says this is. This really gets to the meat and
Speaker 3: potatoes of everything we wanted to know about golf psychology.
Speaker 3: And I love one of my friends, Michael Doctor, who
Speaker 3: was the twenty thirteen PGA Golf Club Professional of the Year,
Speaker 3: he said that this is a must read.
Speaker 5: He said, he's seen.
Speaker 3: Everything and he reads everything out there. He said, this
Speaker 3: is a five star and he said, this is what
Speaker 3: every junior golfer, every parent of every junior golfer, and
Speaker 3: every aspiring tour player should should be reading. And so
Speaker 3: that to me was a five star testimonial. And you know,
Speaker 3: David Ledbetter and so many other people have read it
Speaker 3: and they go, this, this is sort of your magnum opus.
Speaker 5: This is something you know that you should be very
Speaker 5: proud of.
Speaker 3: And I had. You know, some people just asked me
Speaker 3: the other day, they said, when did you start writing this?
Speaker 3: And I said, well, I started collecting the the interviews
Speaker 3: and just started talking to people back in two thousand
Speaker 3: and six, and then I really completed it a couple
Speaker 3: of years ago, and Saint Martin's Press, McMillan Books, said,
Speaker 3: we love this manuscript, we want to publish it.
Speaker 5: But it took me almost all.
Speaker 3: My life to kind of figure out fred all the
Speaker 3: different things, how we could actually make these strategies and
Speaker 3: interventions to help people get through these mental mistakes. So
Speaker 3: it's like everything else. It's like any great artist or
Speaker 3: musician or even golfer. It takes a long time time
Speaker 3: to really understand what it is about these these descriptors.
Speaker 3: So you can provide an accurate prescription for success.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm you know, this is the ninth year that
Speaker 4: I've been doing these interviews consecutively, like every week, and
Speaker 4: to me, it's such a lesson and I continue to
Speaker 4: learn more stuff that I'm blown away.
Speaker 1: It's like never thought of it that way. That's wonderful.
Speaker 1: It's there's so much, so much to know.
Speaker 4: When we're talking about momentum, Like when somebody I'm playing
Speaker 4: with double bogies the first hole with a three putt,
Speaker 4: They're like, oh my god, today is going to be awful.
Speaker 1: My comment is generally, yeah, well you got that out
Speaker 1: of the way.
Speaker 4: Now that you're done with that, let's, you know, move
Speaker 4: on and forget about it, you know. But there's that
Speaker 4: momentum factor that you were talking about earlier, and it
Speaker 4: seems like the momentum, the positive momentum forward as things
Speaker 4: get better and you start getting into a groove, that's
Speaker 4: a much slower climb then the momentum when things start
Speaker 4: to fall apart and everything rapidly goes downhill. How do
Speaker 4: you balance that and stabilize that?
Speaker 5: But it's funny.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna bring back a story that just happened last week, Fred,
Speaker 3: And since you and I are just having this great conversation,
Speaker 3: I had, you know, junior golfers and we went to
Speaker 3: sort of like a wonderful little bowling alley and it
Speaker 3: had all the video games and you could actually get
Speaker 3: a video game and you get you know, sort of
Speaker 3: you know, all the tickets. You know that you go
Speaker 3: like the Chuck E Cheese and those places where you
Speaker 3: get all the tickets and you can go in and
Speaker 3: have your kids, you get it. Well, I had some
Speaker 3: junior golfers hit like a little water balloon that had
Speaker 3: invisible ink onto one of my you know, young LPGA
Speaker 3: teaching professionals, and they did it as a joke and
Speaker 3: they took it.
Speaker 5: In good stride.
Speaker 3: But I'm sitting there and I'm looking at this and here,
Speaker 3: you know, the LPGA teaching profession had like a white
Speaker 3: blouse on it and there was a.
Speaker 5: Huge big thing blue ink.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, blue ink. And I'm you know, it was
Speaker 3: sitting here, I'm going, oh my goodness, now what happened.
Speaker 3: I was sitting here going, well, you know, junior golfers,
Speaker 3: hey kids or kids, you know, and we all laughed
Speaker 3: about it, and you know, the teaching professionals.
Speaker 5: My goodness, what's going on? I go, oh, I can't.
Speaker 3: This is a brand new blouse. And they were talking
Speaker 3: about After about ten minutes, it all faded away. And
Speaker 3: so I started thinking about this as you were, you know,
Speaker 3: posing that question. Is that you have invisible ink that
Speaker 3: it shows up for a while and it dissolves, or
Speaker 3: you have what we call indelible ink that leaves its
Speaker 3: mark that you know it's It's sort of like that's
Speaker 3: the difference between great players and the wannabes. The wannabes
Speaker 3: get hit with that ink and it isn't a disappearing,
Speaker 3: dissolving invisible ink. It becomes an indelible ink. It becomes
Speaker 3: an ink stain. They think they've damaged the round and
Speaker 3: it stays with them and all they can do is
Speaker 3: look at the stain and they never get through it.
Speaker 3: And it was interesting. I mean, that's kind of an
Speaker 3: analogy for really what we do, because that's really what
Speaker 3: acceptance is all about. Acceptance, and I'm trying to explain
Speaker 3: this to all of my tour players and all of
Speaker 3: my players, where collegiate or junior players, the amateur players,
Speaker 3: Acceptance is really a neutral objective term when you accept
Speaker 3: the result of something that has happened. Say that you
Speaker 3: have a player that's double bogue in the first hole,
Speaker 3: and now they oh, they start going into the personal
Speaker 3: pity party.
Speaker 5: Why why? Why?
Speaker 3: And what happens is that you really have to be
Speaker 3: able to accept that and let that go. There's acceptance
Speaker 3: and then there's release. But what I'm trying to explain
Speaker 3: to people is that acceptance is not a passive, weak term.
Speaker 3: Acceptance is a very warrior like, peaceful, warrior like term
Speaker 3: because you come to grips with the reality it is
Speaker 3: what it is. You don't have to like you know
Speaker 3: that you just double boge the first hole and you
Speaker 3: could have a little bit, you know, of emotion, a
Speaker 3: little bit of what we call that arousal drive that
Speaker 3: sort of kind of kick it into a different gear. Okay,
Speaker 3: let's get through this. You don't have to like it,
Speaker 3: but you must accept it. If there's one must one
Speaker 3: mustism in golf, you must accept because it is what
Speaker 3: it is, because it will be unchanging. It's history. It's
Speaker 3: a done deal. The last hole, whatever you made is
Speaker 3: Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, it's history. It's a done deal,
Speaker 3: you need to put it behind you and move on.
Speaker 3: And when you accept and you release, you now have
Speaker 3: closure on that event and you can now move into
Speaker 3: the new shot re energized, reinvigorated, and ready to play
Speaker 3: with confidence and ready to play, you know, with with
Speaker 3: new enthusiasm for the upcoming shots. And that's really what
Speaker 3: the dissolving the invisible ink. You dismiss it, you dissolve,
Speaker 3: you get it, you know through you you move through it.
Speaker 3: But when you have the indelible ink, when you stain yourself,
Speaker 3: when you do not accept, you take that stain that trash,
Speaker 3: and you take it and you stain the next shot
Speaker 3: and the next shot, and before long, you know, your
Speaker 3: round is trash.
Speaker 1: And that's why we're talking about.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you have to throw the shirt because the ink
Speaker 4: will not go away. The concept of the invisible ink
Speaker 4: ors is indelible ink just drew me immediately to the
Speaker 4: fact that that's why we use pencils on our score cards.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, yeahs.
Speaker 3: And you always have to watch the golfers that have
Speaker 3: the pencils with the erasers at the top. I'll tell you,
Speaker 3: you know, but no, we don't play with those type
Speaker 3: of people. So those those people, you know, that's that's
Speaker 3: a game of management, you know. So those are the
Speaker 3: people what I call the ninety nine percenters. They're so
Speaker 3: worried about score because that's really what happened. I mean
Speaker 3: when when players come in and one of my chapters
Speaker 3: is chapter five, I care so much about score, results
Speaker 3: and my reputation. And I always talk about that is
Speaker 3: that the first thing people ask you when you come
Speaker 3: in from a round of golf, Fred It isn't hey,
Speaker 3: did you really stay emotionally invested in every shot you commit,
Speaker 3: be your routine and every shot. They don't to ask that.
Speaker 3: The ninety nine percenters ask why did you shoot? What'd
Speaker 3: you shoot? You know? Or even if they say, well,
Speaker 3: how did you play? And Fred Green gives them an
Speaker 3: answer like, well, I'll tell you what I hit twelve
Speaker 3: out of fourteen fairways, I hit fifteen out of eighteen Green,
Speaker 3: they go, no.
Speaker 5: No, no, I don't want to hear that stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to hear you know what you shot.
Speaker 3: And the only reason they ask Fred Green that is
Speaker 3: they don't care about Fred.
Speaker 1: Green, right, They want to care to themselves.
Speaker 3: Absolutely. It's about comparing. So that's why when we talk
Speaker 3: about golf. You have an objective score and then you
Speaker 3: have sort of a subjective interpretation of that score. And
Speaker 3: it's so important that you know, young players learned that
Speaker 3: you are not your score, your self image, your golf esteem,
Speaker 3: your golf confidence isn't just wrapped up in your score.
Speaker 3: And you know, because there's a lot of things that
Speaker 3: you know, you have to be able to pull out
Speaker 3: of around where you didn't score well, but you did
Speaker 3: some things really well subjectively, and that's really what we
Speaker 3: have to kind of focus on. And that's really what
Speaker 3: I'm talking about here in Mistake Free Golf, and I'm
Speaker 3: just gonna go down you know, these these different chapters.
Speaker 5: Fred.
Speaker 4: So that's great because you know what I was about
Speaker 4: to bring up chapter five. I was about to bring
Speaker 4: up chapter five when you said.
Speaker 5: It, okay.
Speaker 4: I wanted to bring you up because I got an
Speaker 4: email recently from a listener in Australia who is talking
Speaker 4: about how he's trying really hard to not focus on
Speaker 4: the scorecard, not to look at where he is in
Speaker 4: his round until at the end, and he plays with
Speaker 4: people who are all the time going all right, I'm
Speaker 4: one up, okay, I'm you know, we're even and we're
Speaker 4: two in no doubt, you know, And he's like, stop it,
Speaker 4: He says, how do I get these people to stop
Speaker 4: reminding me with the score is If they want to
Speaker 4: do it, that's fine, but I don't. How do I
Speaker 4: keep them from getting in my face on that?
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, that's the big thing, because you know,
Speaker 3: most golfers really aren't playing golf. They're playing the game
Speaker 3: of how am I doing? You know, how am I comparing?
Speaker 3: And they're scorekeepers and they're keeping stats. And these people
Speaker 3: are probably bankers, people who work with numbers, CPAs I mean,
Speaker 3: and they're always about the number. They're always about the
Speaker 3: bottom line. So you know, when people ask you and hey,
Speaker 3: you know, how you doing?
Speaker 5: How you doing?
Speaker 3: You take it and you actually deflect it. You put
Speaker 3: the onus of responsibility back on the questioner. You go,
Speaker 3: I'm doing pretty well, as I'm playing pretty well, how
Speaker 3: are you doing?
Speaker 5: How are you shooting? You deflect it right back.
Speaker 3: Instead of trying to say, hey, I've got to give
Speaker 3: you an answer. I've got to tally up my score.
Speaker 3: Even if they tell you, hey, you know, well you're
Speaker 3: two you're two over. You know your three behind? You
Speaker 3: know what you have to be able to do is
Speaker 3: you have to be able to dismiss the good thoughts,
Speaker 3: the good intentions, and all the speaking of others and
Speaker 3: kind of just move into your own thing. And that's
Speaker 3: really what being in your bubble is all about, is
Speaker 3: that you have to just sort of just let it,
Speaker 3: just let it pass. Instead of thinking no, no, keep
Speaker 3: your eyes, you know, and ears closed, you just kind
Speaker 3: of dismiss it and say, oh, that's good. You know,
Speaker 3: we're great, and then you just kind of get back
Speaker 3: into your business. But that's that's really worth Chapter five
Speaker 3: and I've got some very specific, you know, some really
Speaker 3: nice ones you know, in this And I really want
Speaker 3: to say about the book is I talk about a
Speaker 3: nice introduction. I talk about and it was great that
Speaker 3: rich Lerner had written my introduction for me the Golf Channel.
Speaker 3: I've known rich for a number of years and do
Speaker 3: a lot of charity work for his family golf tournament,
Speaker 3: and he had written me just an eloquent you introduction.
Speaker 3: And then I talk about a player I interviewed waltzon Briski,
Speaker 3: you know, the iron worker that came from New Jersey
Speaker 3: who belongs to my home club Orange Tree in Orlando, Florida,
Speaker 3: and we start talking about you know that story. But
Speaker 3: and then it goes right into like the nine different
Speaker 3: mistakes that golfers make. And the first mistake that golfers
Speaker 3: make is I don't believe in my talent. I worry,
Speaker 3: I doubt, And that's that's the first chapter. And the
Speaker 3: second chapter is I hit the ball when I know
Speaker 3: I'm not ready. Chapter three is I get ahead of myself.
Speaker 3: I fail to stay in the present moment. Chapter four
Speaker 3: is I do not to my shot or my game plan.
Speaker 3: Number five, I care too much about score results, my reputation.
Speaker 3: Chapter six, I worry about what others think about me.
Speaker 3: Number seven I expect to play perfect, and number eight
Speaker 3: I think too much, and number nine.
Speaker 5: I lose my composure.
Speaker 3: So for every one of these chapters spread I give
Speaker 3: a nice presentation, a descripting or a describing story. I
Speaker 3: use a lot of players interviews, and then I give prescriptions.
Speaker 3: I give treatments what we call doctor Bob's Rix for success.
Speaker 3: And at the very end of very chapter, I compress
Speaker 3: it almost into like a little zip drive. If you
Speaker 3: want to use computer technology, I say take.
Speaker 5: It to the course.
Speaker 3: This is what you need to do because people can say,
Speaker 3: you can talk to me about confidence and trust all
Speaker 3: day long, just tell me what I need to do.
Speaker 3: And so I'm really big into Okay, this is what
Speaker 3: you need to do do. This is what has worked
Speaker 3: and has worked in the past, is working now and
Speaker 3: it will work in the future. And you need to
Speaker 3: comply with this. And if you do this, you're going
Speaker 3: to be well on your road to the road of
Speaker 3: yes I can.
Speaker 4: It's so consistent with that. I've always thought about the
Speaker 4: difference between men and women. Men are results oriented, women
Speaker 4: are process oriented. So when you know, when you when
Speaker 4: you when a woman says, ah, I'm having such a
Speaker 4: hard time with okay, let's plug in golf. I'm having
Speaker 4: you know, it's such a hard time with this fill
Speaker 4: in the blank, and the guy will say, well, here,
Speaker 4: here's what you need to do, like you have at
Speaker 4: the end of your chapter. Here's exactly what you need
Speaker 4: to do, and she looks at he says, I don't
Speaker 4: want an answer. I just want you to listen to me.
Speaker 1: And that's why I like.
Speaker 5: That's right.
Speaker 4: They like to talk to their girlfriends because they just
Speaker 4: so I've learned, I'm coming up. I've been married thirty
Speaker 4: four years, and I've learned that when when you know,
Speaker 4: when my wife presents a problem that she's having, I've
Speaker 4: learned instead of giving her an answer, I've learned how
Speaker 4: to nod a lot and.
Speaker 3: Say, oh, well that's that's that's really good. That's just
Speaker 3: good mental management and emotional management, right there, Fred, Yeah,
Speaker 3: so that's that's the hard Yeah. Well, I mean that's
Speaker 3: the point, you know, and being married. You know, the
Speaker 3: old thing about men, and I'm making a very gender
Speaker 3: statement here is do you want to be happy or
Speaker 3: do you want to be right? And doctor Phil, you know,
Speaker 3: was always talking about that, you know, do you want.
Speaker 5: To be happy? Do you want to be right?
Speaker 3: But in my book Mistake for e Golf, First Day,
Speaker 3: for your golfing brain, I sort of present both, sort
Speaker 3: of that male female brain, if you will, because women
Speaker 3: always ask me, Fred, why why are we doing this?
Speaker 4: Wow?
Speaker 3: Why why is this so? And so I want players
Speaker 3: to understand, this is why you're having this problem, this
Speaker 3: is why this has become an issue for you. Now
Speaker 3: now we answer that question why, here's why it is,
Speaker 3: and here's how you need to do it. Here's how
Speaker 3: you can get through it. And here's how you can
Speaker 3: prevent it from coming and happening again. So that's sort
Speaker 3: of really what you were kind of talking about. And
Speaker 3: that's why so many people say you present the problem,
Speaker 3: you know, the presenting issue. You describe it, and you
Speaker 3: give great interviews and the Michelle Wiez, the Suzanne Petterson's,
Speaker 3: the Nick Prices, the Greg Normans, all the people that
Speaker 3: you know, give like these wonderful, you know, little interviews
Speaker 3: to you, and then you actually sort of kind of
Speaker 3: go through and elaborate on what they did, what they said,
Speaker 3: and then here's what we need to do in order
Speaker 3: to prevent it. And so people have gone through and
Speaker 3: they say, wow, this is unlike anything I've ever read before.
Speaker 3: So you know, we're really happy with it because I
Speaker 3: took a different approach instead of saying, okay, you need
Speaker 3: to adhere.
Speaker 5: To your routine.
Speaker 3: I mean I took a look at here's the negativity,
Speaker 3: here's the mistake, here's the danger zone. All right. So
Speaker 3: all right, so you've cut yourself on the golf course.
Speaker 3: Here's how you apply the tourniquet. Here's how we actually
Speaker 3: get better.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, why do I have a sense that these nine
Speaker 4: chapters are kind of like the front nine. There's gonna
Speaker 4: be a back nine soon to follow.
Speaker 3: Well, yes, you know, and I'm just really happy because
Speaker 3: the books has been receiving uh five stars you know,
Speaker 3: from literary sources such as good Reads.
Speaker 1: Oh congratulations.
Speaker 3: Yes, and it's it's just everyone who reads it's been
Speaker 3: you know, Uh, it's been available now through Amazon dot
Speaker 3: com and Indie Bound and Barnes and Noble. I mean
Speaker 3: you can you can get it anywhere. It's available at
Speaker 3: all book real retailers.
Speaker 4: Well, you know what, Here's where you get it is
Speaker 4: at golfsmarter dot com because we do have the book
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Speaker 1: Right now in our in our shop at golf Smarter.
Speaker 1: You don't have to go anywhere else.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And you know, someone asked me the other day,
Speaker 3: they said, well, what's the greatest mistake you know, doctor
Speaker 3: winners that you think uh is in golf And I said, well,
Speaker 3: I mean I can give you my nine.
Speaker 5: But I think the tenth.
Speaker 3: One is is that you fail. You make the mistake in.
Speaker 5: Not buying this book.
Speaker 3: So I think that's the greatest mental mistake it is.
Speaker 3: I mean, I just think you know, people who have
Speaker 3: read it, who've come.
Speaker 5: Up to me and they go wow, uh.
Speaker 3: And I get emails, you know, every day talking about
Speaker 3: people who've had uh, they've cut you know, I mean,
Speaker 3: they've actually taken seven eight shots, you know, off of
Speaker 3: their score. They've shot their they've shot their lowest score.
Speaker 3: They got into a zone like state where they were
Speaker 3: playing one after one until I'm done. And I talk
Speaker 3: about that mantra uh in a lot of my chapters.
Speaker 5: But the point of it is.
Speaker 3: That's what people want. They want something that's an easy read,
Speaker 3: that's simple and very specific. And that's always been my
Speaker 3: KISS principle. I've never thought about keeping it simple stupid,
Speaker 3: because golfers are not stupid people. They're very highly intelligent.
Speaker 3: They know what works, they know what works for them
Speaker 3: and what doesn't. So I've always said KISS means keeping
Speaker 3: it simple and keeping it specific, having a simple thought
Speaker 3: and a specific target. And here's what we need to do.
Speaker 3: So let's go out and let's go do it. And
Speaker 3: so that's what mistake free golf has always been about.
Speaker 4: Oh, absolutely fabulous. So to wrap this up, I'm just
Speaker 4: so curious about this. Tell me some of the people
Speaker 4: you've been working with and helping out, because we've been
Speaker 4: seeing some names that we don't recognize necessarily on the
Speaker 4: winners winning on the tour, both women and men. How
Speaker 4: many of these people can you say, Yep, I've had
Speaker 4: some input, I've worked with them.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, but people go into Yeah, if people
Speaker 3: go into the Doctor Bob Winters winners list every week,
Speaker 3: I have different winners on there. I can tell you
Speaker 3: one of the young stars that has done great over
Speaker 3: this past year and who I've actually taken it sort
Speaker 3: of as a cub and brought him all the way up,
Speaker 3: you know, was Brooks Koepka, who's just a great talent,
Speaker 3: you know, from southern Florida and who played for Florida State.
Speaker 3: He's a great talent. It's going to be, you know,
Speaker 3: working great. Another wonderful talent who just started working with
Speaker 3: her about eight months ago is the Korean golfer he
Speaker 3: Young Park and He Young is an absolute fantastic talent.
Speaker 3: We have you know, Elise Saramia who is a European
Speaker 3: tour pro and Perene Delacour who is a French LPGA
Speaker 3: tour professional. We've got, you know, so many new up
Speaker 3: and coming ones to go with the people that I've
Speaker 3: had the pleasure of working with in the past, such
Speaker 3: as the Justin Roses and in the Lee Westwoods and
Speaker 3: the Michelle Wiez. But there's so many new play years
Speaker 3: coming up, and I love I love my developing tour players.
Speaker 3: You know, people you have worked.
Speaker 1: With Justin Rose and Michelle we or.
Speaker 3: Like yeah, yeah, years.
Speaker 1: Past, Yeah, oh you have Okay, awesome, awesome.
Speaker 3: Yeah, years and years years past now you know I
Speaker 3: you know, I don't work with him, you know, currently,
Speaker 3: but you know, through the years, through their developing. You know,
Speaker 3: I've been very lucky to have access, you know, to
Speaker 3: many of the Ledbetter people come through the Ledbetter Academy
Speaker 3: and you know, people such as the Sandra Gals to
Speaker 3: Julieta Granadas and people such as that you know, have
Speaker 3: worked with David and obviously you know, being with David,
Speaker 3: I'm going on my fifteenth year now being with David,
Speaker 3: and David's working on some new things has really sort
Speaker 3: of been pioneering some new strategies and it's very exciting,
Speaker 3: you know what he's doing. So a lot of things
Speaker 3: we're doing at champions Gate is in collaboration, you know,
Speaker 3: with with everything, and it's all sort of interactive and
Speaker 3: so it's a mind body spirit. It's just a lot
Speaker 3: of great stuff going on right there. So it's just
Speaker 3: a lot of new things going on, Fred. But I'll
Speaker 3: tell you the greatest, you know, some of the greatest
Speaker 3: what I call success stories have come from some of
Speaker 3: my young college players who have now come out or
Speaker 3: going on the tours, the developmental tours, because the whole
Speaker 3: planet right now, Fred is a golf tour. Whether you're
Speaker 3: playing in Singapore, or you're playing in El Paso, Texas,
Speaker 3: or you're playing in southern California, or you're playing in Maine,
Speaker 3: there's a golf tournament going on somewhere right now where
Speaker 3: you've got great talented people playing. And much like tennis
Speaker 3: did twenty twenty five, thirty years ago, that's really what
Speaker 3: golf is.
Speaker 5: I mean, I've been.
Speaker 3: Associating myself now with the Hurricane Junior Golf Tour, the
Speaker 3: AHAGA and the FCWT and so I've been doing a
Speaker 3: lot of work with that and even the Maple Leaf
Speaker 3: Junior Golf Tour up in Canada. We're sort of developing
Speaker 3: a whole new recruitment of junior golfers who are just
Speaker 3: actually just you know, punching through and.
Speaker 5: Going to get there into the winner circle here very soon.
Speaker 5: And they start and.
Speaker 3: They're starting to come up younger because we have so
Speaker 3: much competition now and better information, much like the Fred
Speaker 3: Green golf Smarter podcasts where golfers can go in and
Speaker 3: listen to some of the world's best talk about their
Speaker 3: skill and how they can make golfers better. So I
Speaker 3: always appreciate being on because it's a real honor to
Speaker 3: be with you and on your show, and hopefully we've
Speaker 3: given you, know, the listener, some great information you have and.
Speaker 4: I'm flattered that you would include me in that list.
Speaker 4: Thank you very much, doctor Bob. It was great to
Speaker 4: talk to you again, and once again, the book Mistake
Speaker 4: Free Golf First Aid for your Golfing Brain is available
Speaker 4: at Golfsmarter dot com in our golfersmart Doctor Bob, wonderful
Speaker 4: to speak to you. Best of luck in the future,
Speaker 4: and we look forward to talking to you when your
Speaker 4: next book comes out.
Speaker 3: Thanks Fred so much, and like I always tell you,
Speaker 3: I hope you always find your ball at the bottom
Speaker 3: of the cup.