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Speaker 1: Golf Smarter number four hundred and forty five, originally published

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on July fifteenth, twenty fourteen.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Golf Smarter Mulligans, your second chance to gain

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insight and advice from the best instructors featured on the

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like this that are no longer available in any podcast app.

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Speaker 3: There's acceptance and then there's release. But what I'm trying

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to explain to people is that acceptance is not a

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passive week term. Acceptance is a very peaceful warrior like

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term because you come to grips with the reality it

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is what it is. You don't have to like that

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you just double boge the first hole, but you must

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accept it. If there's one mustism in golf, you must

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accept it's history. It's a done deal. The last hole

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when whatever you made is Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, it's history.

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It's a done deal. You need to put it behind

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you and move on. And when you accept and your release,

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you now have closure on that event and you can

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now move into the new shot, re energize reinvigorated and

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ready to play with confidence and ready to play with

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new enthusiasm for the upcoming shots. And that's really what

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the invisible ink. You dismiss it, you get it through you,

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you move through it.

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Speaker 4: Mistake Free Golf with Sports Psychologists to the pros, Doctor

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Bob Winters.

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Speaker 2: This is Golf Smarter.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Golf Smarter for members only, Doctor Bob.

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Speaker 5: Fred. You know, it's great to be with you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 4: It has been a long time since you've been on

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the podcast. I was going back in the files and

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for those who don't remember or haven't had a chance

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to hear you before, you go back to the first

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time you were on episode number thirty nine, the Ten

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Commandments of Mind Power Golf and then on episode number

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one hundred and fifty one mental coach for David Ledbetter

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Golf Academy at the time. And now we talk about

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your brand new book, Mistake Free Golf.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you what you know it. You know,

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it kind of takes me back a little bit. And

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it's funny that you say that, because you know, a

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lot of water has crossed under the bridge since the

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last time we talked and I had. You know, a

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young sports psychologist came up to me the other day

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and it was kind of funny and it sort of

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dates me a little bit.

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Speaker 5: And he said, doctor Winners, I've seen you. I've seen you.

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Speaker 3: On the Golf Channel and I heard you on you know,

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Golf Smarter podcasts, and they were talking of all the

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things I've done.

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Speaker 5: They said, I really want to thank.

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Speaker 3: You for being one of the pioneers in the sport.

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And I sort of took me back a little bit. Fred,

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I'm sitting pioneers in the sport. He goes, yeah, you

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like one of the first people out there, and that

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sort of made me, you know, reflect that I've been

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in this you know business for a long time and

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I've done a lot of great things, met a lot

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of great people, you know, such as you, and getting

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a chance to give back, you know, to golfers. You know,

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really what I've enjoyed over the last forty five years,

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you know, playing golf at every level and doing what

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I do. So it's it's always great to be back.

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Speaker 1: Oh thank you.

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Speaker 4: So what is going on now? Where are you these

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this summer? What are you doing and where can we

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find you? Other than doctor Bob Winners dot com.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm pretty much, you know, traveling all over, but

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I am you know, stationed and based in Orlando, Florida.

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I am the residence sports psychologist for you know, David

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Ledbetter has Ledbetter Golf Academy World teaching headquarters at Championsgate, Florida.

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I also, you know, travel you know, the tour at

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different events, and I have a lot of great collegiate

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amateur players and tour players all over the globe. But

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you know, people have found me, you know, watching the

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Golf Channel. They know, go into you know, the website

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and they actually Google me and contact me, and so

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you know, we're all over. Plus, I'm right now speaking

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to you from my Nike Golf Schools, where I've been

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affiliated with them for about twenty four years, and I'm

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up here in the Berkshire Mountains right now for five weeks.

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And this has sort of really started about twenty one

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years ago doing these Nike Golf schools.

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Speaker 5: And as you know, I've always.

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Speaker 3: Told people, you know, I love to give back to

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the junior golfers because the junior golfers are our future.

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And every year I come back and this is sort

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of the fountain of youth for me, the polt stale

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leone up here in the Williams College up here in Williamstown, Massachusetts,

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beautifully located in the Berkshire Mountains up here in western Massachusetts.

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And so I get to see these beautiful young golfers,

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you know, ages twelve to seventeen, and they have this

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sense of innocence, this sense of naive ta, this enthusiasm,

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and I always love to get re energized and kind

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of you know, get get an inoculation, get another shot,

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you know, all that great stuff that they have. Because

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it seems like golf, because it's such a brutal and

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emotionally tough game, it sort of, you know, kind of

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wears us down. It kind of you know, scars us

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up a little bit. So it's nice to get some

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you know, fresh thoughts, some fresh blood and some fresh

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ideas going. And plus, you know, it's a it's a

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nice way for me to actually introduce my theories, my

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philosophies to junior golfers and and see what their impressions are.

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And we can actually start, you know, talking about a

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lot of new creations and new intervention strategies. So they're

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a great audience to introduce it to and then I

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take it out on the tours and then we're having

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a blast with it up here.

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Speaker 1: Very cool, very cool.

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Speaker 4: When you say their naivete, how is it that some

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of these young players, like we had an eleven year

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old girl on the at the US Open right for

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for the PGA, the Women's LPGA US Open. Yes, how

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is it that these kids and there's so many young

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people that are getting onto the upper level, the top

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level of golf competition. What is it about their naive

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ta that gets them there? Or is it because of

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their naiveta that allows them to compete at that level

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and not feel the pressure, or let me ask it

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a different way, do they feel the pressure that somebody

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with experience feels.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think you have to understand really where fear

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comes from, and fear sort of resides in the past,

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and I think you know, when you have a young person,

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perhaps they don't have that many learned fear experiences, so

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they really don't have a backlog of negative memories. They

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sort of have sort of a fresh slate. So when

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you have I believe her name was Lucy Lee, who

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comes in as inn the eleven year old, and I

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love you know that she's shooting seventy seven, seventy eight

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in the US Women's Open at Pinehurst number two when

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they had the golf course really set up, and at

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her post round interview, there she is, you know, being

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an eleven year old, dripping ice cream over her golf

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shoes and saying, well, my whole goal was to go

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out and have some fun. So I mean, as far

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as her expectations, her expectations weren't of shooting the lowest

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score or winning the US Women's Open. Her expectation was

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more of a task or focus expectation that she expected

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to go out and have fun. She expected to go

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out and test her talent. You know, she expected to

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go out and beat the golf course and let the

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chips fall where they may. And that sort of perspective

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is really what I'm trying to do with the best

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players in the world, because what happens a lot of times,

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you know, you hear a lot of huff and puff,

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and oh this is going to happen, and Q school

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is so tough, and it's just hell week and you

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got to get through it, and you hear these war

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stories and it starts to make you a little bit

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more fragile as far as your psyche. So you've kind

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of got to let that stuff go. And it's refreshing

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when you see these young minds and the naivete is

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instead of saying why why why am I not? You know,

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why am I not succeeding, the young mind is saying, well,

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why not?

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Speaker 5: Why not me?

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Speaker 3: And let's just go out and go play. And I

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think Fred this is a huge thing when we start

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getting people going to Q School for the PGA and

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the LPGA tours or European, Korean or Japanese tour wherever

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I'm working with them, and it seems to me like

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the very first time that a player goes out and

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goes to Q school, they really don't know what to expect.

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So what we try to do is get them into

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task expectations. Expect that you're going to give a great

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effort into every shot. Expect that you're going to have

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some fun. Expect that it will be challenging. Because what

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happens as time goes on, you find that a lot

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of people who don't do well at Q school or

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don't do well at qualifying for US Open US Amateur events,

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they almost find ways to sabotage, well, you know, I

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failed before and this is the reason why. And instead

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of actually learning from those failures, they start to create

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this backlog of negative memories and they keep, you know,

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replaying those tapes over and over in their mind. And

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it seems like sometimes that the first time we do

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a thing, you know, we do it pretty well because

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we don't have that build up of fear or bad experiences.

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Speaker 1: I'm a little bit stunned here now.

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Speaker 4: You know that with a name like golf Smarter, that

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the golf psychology, the mental part of the game is

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a huge part of our content. I talk to a

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lot of different people who focus on helping people with

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their mental game. And you just talked about expectations, and

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that means focusing on outcome, doesn't it, And isn't that

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a no no?

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Speaker 3: Well, you know you have to also take a look

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at that. Is that part of goals, goal setting, aspirations, expectations,

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Because an expectation is a preset standard of really how

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you think something should happen in the future. And so

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when you talk about expectations, there's a lot of negative

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expectations spread that golfers have, and the expectations that most

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golfers have, I think what I call the ninety nine percenters.

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They're always focusing everything around the results. They're focusing everything

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around the score. They focus everything around you know, their reputation,

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how they're going to look, you know, whether they win,

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you know. And so it's a very much an outcome

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focused expectation about something that they may or may not

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do in the future. So when I talk about expectations

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and what's the best type of expectation to have, it's

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a task expectancy that is in this moment. You know,

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I expect you to be totally committed to this shot

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at this moment. I expect you to have a great decision.

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I expect you to conduct yourself in a manner that says,

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I know what I need to do with this shot,

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and I'm going to stay in this moment and do

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the very best I can, and I'll let you know.

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The results speak for themselves.

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Speaker 5: And I also.

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Speaker 3: Expect at the end of this shot, I will accept

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whatever result I have because the result it is what

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it is. And so when we start talking about those

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type of expectancies. We're talking about an expectation that's going

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to happen in the immediate future or what we call,

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you know, the upcoming present. So that's really you know,

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kind of the difference there. One is a very far

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futuristic expectation and the other is an expectancy about what

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you're going to do with the shot in front of

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you right now.

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Speaker 4: And are those the basic premises of or is that

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the basic premise of your philosophy, your teaching philosophy.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, my teaching philosophy is this fred is

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that anything's possible, you know, like the PGA tour logo

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and banner is Anything's possible. You know, I never say

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never to any of my students, And what I want

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them to, you know, to feel and to believe in

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the philosophy we're working on is that it's about you,

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your ball and the target and that's in your zone

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of control.

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Speaker 5: So when you go.

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Speaker 3: Out and play, I want you to feel like you

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can play anywhere, anytime, with anybody, under any conditions. And

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when you have that sort of a personal playing philosophy,

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it's a mission statement that allows you to go out

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and play to your talent and it doesn't matter who

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you're playing with, because what happens most golfers start looking around.

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What do they think about me? Will I be able?

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You know, to measure up? And really, if you are

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totally taking care of yourself in the moment and being

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right here in the moment, you don't have to worry

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about anybody else because it is the most intimate relationship

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you have in golf, and that is with you, your thoughts,

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and your golf ball and the target. And when you

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do that, I mean you were in the precious present

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and that is the gift of the present moment, and

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that's what you give yourself.

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Speaker 1: Let's get into your book.

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Speaker 4: I'm very excited about the new book called Mistake Free

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Golf First Aid for your Golfing Brain. Very good title.

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Speaker 5: I like it.

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Speaker 4: It really tells a lot.

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Speaker 1: Let's break it down. Let's hear a lot about it.

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Speaker 3: Please, Well, you know, a mistake for you golf. You know,

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I have a lot of people say, well, where did

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that idea come from? Well, even after I had written

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you know, you know my other books, the mental Art

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of putting, using your mind to put your best, the

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Ten Commandments of Mind power golf and doing the putting genius,

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you know, DVDs and writing you know, golf fitness books

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and all of these other things I've done. I took

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a look and I said, most of the sports psychology

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books that we have, I mean, even starting you know,

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with with the early ones, they were always talking about

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these platitudes, these positivisms, these trite cliche expressions about be

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the ball, be in the moment, stay in the present moment.

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And even though I use these terms, what I really

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wanted to do was I wanted to elaborate and I

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wanted to have you know, the readers say, this is

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really what it means when you say I want to

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play one shot at a time. Because, as you know, Fred,

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if you go out and play with your guys and

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you say, hey, you just need to trust your swing.

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I think when people hear that, they go, YadA, YadA, YadA,

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trust your swing, blah blah blah, be in the moment.

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They don't know really what those things are. So when

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I had written Mistake Free Golf, I went around, starting

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in two thousand and six, and I went and asked

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the very best players in the world, a very simple question.

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I even went to the most emotionally challenged, the worst

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players that were playing at a high level and asking

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them what you know, they were thinking about and what

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was their greatest mental mistake that they committed during their careers.

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Speaker 5: And just by.

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Speaker 3: Asking that very simple question, almost to a man, woman,

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boy or girl who I asked it, I got, you know,

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an immediate response. It wasn't like something I had to contemplate.

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They say, well, you know, my biggest mental mistake is

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I just get ahead of myself, or you know, I

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worry about what other people think about me, or I

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just have too many thoughts in my head.

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Speaker 5: So what I did.

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Speaker 3: I started collecting all these very you know, one on

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one interviews and they were just based on one simple

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question and going around to the best players in the world.

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And so I started picking up all this unbelievable information,

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all this great data, and so I put it into

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a lot of different components titles, and I broke it

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down into nine very basic mental mistakes that almost all

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golfers make and mistake. Free Golf First Day for your

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golfing brain is really, I think the very first book

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and the only book that really takes a look at

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the mental mistakes that golfers make, and it gets away

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from the platitudes of positivity and it says, Okay, you know,

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if you're bleeding right and you're having a mental breakdown

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on the golf course, we need to apply a mental

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tourniquet now. We don't need to know, get back to

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the driving range and go see our guru here later

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and kind of sit on the couns for two hours.

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You need something right now to stop the bleeding. So

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that's why I call it first aid for your golfing brain.

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So really, what I take a look at, I take

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a look at the you know, the nine most common

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mental mistakes, and give very specific descriptions of what those

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mental mistakes are, and then I give specific strategies and interventions.

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Here's how to alleviate, here's how to stop, and here's

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how to prevent those mental mistakes from happening again. Because,

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as I say in the book in one of my chapters,

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no one is immune from making mistakes. What I'm trying

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to do is get golfers to stop making all these

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errors of omission, the errors of carelessness, the errors of misjudgment, miscalculation,

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and if we could actually just minimize a few mental

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errors each day on the golf course, you will start

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to play more consistently and more confidently. So that's really

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what mistake free golf is really all about.

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Speaker 4: And isn't a successful golf all about playing with confidence?

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Speaker 3: Well, it is a about playing with confidence, but more

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than confidence, because everybody wants to talk about playing with confidence.

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Let's understand really what confidence is. Confidence is one end

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of the spectrum. The other side of the spectrum is doubt.

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It's worry, it's anxiety. So everyone wants to play with

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confidence because why because it's the absence of doubt. And

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so I'm really, you know, trying to get away so

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much cam play, you know, having players play with confidence.

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I want you to play with a focus for execution

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because if you focus on executing the right things at

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the right time, you will have success spread. And when

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you start to have success, it creates a momentum of

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more success, and then you have more and more success,

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and then the residue at the end of the round,

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after you've had all these many successes, the residue you

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have is something that we call enduring confidence. Because what

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I call the ninety nine percenters versus the one percenter

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is the people that I work with. The ninety nine

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percent have something I call conditional confidence, and it's a

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false or spurious confidence. It's a pseudo confidence. And conditional

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confidence says, well, if I start off great, I'll feel confident.

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Then if I make that first three foot boy, okay,

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everything's good. Now, if I hit that first drive off

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of the opening tee in front of that gallery, okay,

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I'm good for the day. But I always say, okay,

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that's okay. Everybody understands that. But what happens when you

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start off, you know, for the first day.

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Speaker 5: And you go bogey bogie double bogie?

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Speaker 3: You know, I mean, do they stick a fork in

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you and put you on the barbie or do you

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sort of rebound? And really, if you are psychologically hardy

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and you're mentally strong, and you have what I call

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true confidence, and you focus on executing your game plan,

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you actually get through that bad stuff and you persevere

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and through a determined spirit and a disciplined mind, you

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actually start to play and you're now it starts to

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come out.

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Speaker 5: In fact, this just happened.

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Speaker 3: I was talking to one of my players last night

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and he was doing US Amateur qualifying and he's leading,

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you know, after the first round of the thirty six

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hole qualifying, and he said he started off bogey bogie bogie.

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He then proceeded, you know, to do nothing different, just

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stayed in the moment, continued to get to the next

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shot and played the shot in front of him, and

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he birdied four of the next five holes. So it's

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sort of that consistency and it's disciplined and that's really

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what mental training, mental skills training is all about. You

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could sit here and talk until the cows come in

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from the fields, Fred about you just got to be positive,

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You got to do breathing exercise, sing a happy tune.

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I don't tell people this, and I think people tell this.

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I don't know really why they're telling them this, other

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than if it makes them feel good. The point is

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people need specific strategies. They need something right now that works,

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that's effective, and they need also be away of what

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they're doing, you know, when they're doing things well, and

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they also need to be aware of what they're doing

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when they're not doing it so well.

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Speaker 4: Dave Stockton was on the show a number of episodes

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back and he talked about looking at the clouds in

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between holes.

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Speaker 1: It's like, why would you what?

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Speaker 4: He says, just look at the clouds And I'm like

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why And he says, so you don't have to, you know,

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beat yourself up on what's about to happen next. You

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just get your mind out of it for the moment

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and just think of something else and then get yourself

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back into it.

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I mean, they're counting the number of steps in between

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the shot, they're counting the number of leaves on the tree,

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or the number of leaves that are on the ground.

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And I'm sitting there going wow, I mean, you are

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using a lot of energy, because that's the whole point

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about having you know, what we call a mental trigger,

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a trigger to get you into this next shot. And

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the time between a shot from your last shot to

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your upcoming shot, that should be a time where you're

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sort of mentally, you know, being reinvigorated, that you're sort

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of it's sort of a mental time out, and it's.

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Speaker 1: Sort of like what would like to call a mental mulligan.

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Speaker 3: Yeah mulligan, but yeah, a mental time out. Fred is

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just hey, you, okay, I don't have to think about

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golf right now. And really, what Dave's Dockton was probably

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alluding to was something that Walter Hagen and and all

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the older players used to say, Hey, you know, just

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you know, take a great walk, smell the flowers, and

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realize that nobody's getting out of here alive in the

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first place, so you might as well enjoy your time

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on the golf course. So those are some things that

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you know, we need to kind of really, you know,

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take a look at. But I really want, you know,

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the listeners to understand that, you know, we make all

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sorts of mistakes. I mean, that's really what mistake free

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golf is. It's it's a great catchy title because it

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really does grab your attention if I could play mistake free.

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But I mean, no one's immune from making mistakes. But

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I'm talking about if you understand what a mistake is.

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It's an error. It's an error in movement, an error

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in calculation, or it's an error in judgment, and it's

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caused by sometimes just being a lazy carelessness, or there's

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insufficient knowledge or you have a misconception of what's going on.

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And so when we talk about errors. You have physical errors,

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you have mental errors, you have emotional errors, and you

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even have sensory errors, meaning you didn't really see the

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proper break and you made a mistake and you actually

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played it too far left and it just didn't, you know,

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break that much. Now that's a sensory error, which is

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a much tougher error to detect, but an error, you know,

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like I talk about, you know in chapter number two,

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I hit the ball when I know I'm not ready.

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I mean that right, There is a heinous error that

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some man golfers make.

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Speaker 5: Fred they step into.

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Speaker 3: The ball, they have full commitment, they're ready to go,

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but all of a sudden, the little puff of win,

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you know, kind of blows into their ear. You know,

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they think they might need a little bit more club,

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and they know they should back off. They know they're

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not totally ready, but they go ahead and hit it anyway.

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And it's funny how many people make that error. And

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what I really want to say in Mistake Free Golf

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is that anyone who goes out and buys it will

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realize right away that the best players in the world

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make the same mistakes that all recreational golfers make. They

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just don't make them as often, and when they do

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make them, it's for a lot more money and maybe

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for a title, and it's much more publicized. But they

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do make the same mistakes, and they have learned through

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the years to not make these mistakes because if they

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continue to make these same mistakes, they wouldn't be on

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tour very long.

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Speaker 4: What did you mean before when you said errors of omission.

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Speaker 3: Errors of a mission, just you know, not really knowing

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you know where the trouble is. Uh, just you know,

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errors of just just lack of understanding. I mean, so

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you know, an error of a mission there. You know,

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there's many different errors of a mission we can make

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in golf, but you have errors of comission, that is,

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you knowingly made a mistake, you made.

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Speaker 5: A bad swing.

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Speaker 3: But when I say errors of omission, it's like not

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really knowing what you did. Because Fred, most players come

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in to me and they say, doctor Winters, I know

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what it is that I'm supposed to be doing. I'm

477
00:25:40,839 --> 00:25:43,759
just not doing what it is that I know and

478
00:25:43,839 --> 00:25:46,960
I and I have to ask them, well, if you

479
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,880
really know, you know what you need to be doing,

480
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:52,119
then don't you think it would be a good thing

481
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,880
to be, you know, continuing to do that, and why

482
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,319
aren't you doing it? And they'll look at me and

483
00:25:57,319 --> 00:25:59,640
they'll say, I don't know. That's why I'm coming to

484
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,400
see you. And then I asked they talked to them.

485
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:06,839
I said, well, there's several reasons, he said, Because one is,

486
00:26:07,079 --> 00:26:09,480
maybe you really don't know what it is that you're doing.

487
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,720
Maybe you think you do, but maybe it's a blind spot.

488
00:26:12,799 --> 00:26:15,400
Maybe you're not being aware of it, or you may

489
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,559
be careless, or you may be just a mistake or

490
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:22,000
just a sloth. But there's so many errors that we

491
00:26:22,079 --> 00:26:24,559
can make. Fred And when I'm trying to talk about

492
00:26:24,559 --> 00:26:27,039
in this book, in the Mistake for you Golf, you

493
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:30,119
know book, this is this is like a training manual

494
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,279
and I've had, you know, people say that this is

495
00:26:32,319 --> 00:26:36,480
the most complete, absolute book that they have read that

496
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,319
says this is. This really gets to the meat and

497
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:43,039
potatoes of everything we wanted to know about golf psychology.

498
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:47,119
And I love one of my friends, Michael Doctor, who

499
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:51,519
was the twenty thirteen PGA Golf Club Professional of the Year,

500
00:26:52,039 --> 00:26:54,079
he said that this is a must read.

501
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 5: He said, he's seen.

502
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,279
Speaker 3: Everything and he reads everything out there. He said, this

503
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:00,920
is a five star and he said, this is what

504
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,519
every junior golfer, every parent of every junior golfer, and

505
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:08,440
every aspiring tour player should should be reading. And so

506
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:12,000
that to me was a five star testimonial. And you know,

507
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,200
David Ledbetter and so many other people have read it

508
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,759
and they go, this, this is sort of your magnum opus.

509
00:27:17,559 --> 00:27:20,319
Speaker 5: This is something you know that you should be very

510
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:20,799
proud of.

511
00:27:20,839 --> 00:27:22,880
Speaker 3: And I had. You know, some people just asked me

512
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:24,720
the other day, they said, when did you start writing this?

513
00:27:24,839 --> 00:27:28,880
And I said, well, I started collecting the the interviews

514
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,039
and just started talking to people back in two thousand

515
00:27:31,039 --> 00:27:34,359
and six, and then I really completed it a couple

516
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:38,960
of years ago, and Saint Martin's Press, McMillan Books, said,

517
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,480
we love this manuscript, we want to publish it.

518
00:27:42,519 --> 00:27:44,160
Speaker 5: But it took me almost all.

519
00:27:44,039 --> 00:27:46,559
Speaker 3: My life to kind of figure out fred all the

520
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,799
different things, how we could actually make these strategies and

521
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,920
interventions to help people get through these mental mistakes. So

522
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,640
it's like everything else. It's like any great artist or

523
00:27:56,759 --> 00:28:00,200
musician or even golfer. It takes a long time time

524
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:04,200
to really understand what it is about these these descriptors.

525
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:08,359
So you can provide an accurate prescription for success.

526
00:28:08,759 --> 00:28:09,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

527
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,519
Speaker 4: Well, I'm you know, this is the ninth year that

528
00:28:11,599 --> 00:28:15,960
I've been doing these interviews consecutively, like every week, and

529
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,720
to me, it's such a lesson and I continue to

530
00:28:18,799 --> 00:28:21,480
learn more stuff that I'm blown away.

531
00:28:21,519 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 1: It's like never thought of it that way. That's wonderful.

532
00:28:25,319 --> 00:28:27,640
It's there's so much, so much to know.

533
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 4: When we're talking about momentum, Like when somebody I'm playing

534
00:28:33,279 --> 00:28:35,960
with double bogies the first hole with a three putt,

535
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:37,960
They're like, oh my god, today is going to be awful.

536
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 1: My comment is generally, yeah, well you got that out

537
00:28:40,519 --> 00:28:40,880
of the way.

538
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,119
Speaker 4: Now that you're done with that, let's, you know, move

539
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,480
on and forget about it, you know. But there's that

540
00:28:46,599 --> 00:28:50,240
momentum factor that you were talking about earlier, and it

541
00:28:50,359 --> 00:28:56,319
seems like the momentum, the positive momentum forward as things

542
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,039
get better and you start getting into a groove, that's

543
00:28:59,079 --> 00:29:02,640
a much slower climb then the momentum when things start

544
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:07,680
to fall apart and everything rapidly goes downhill. How do

545
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:09,680
you balance that and stabilize that?

546
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:12,319
Speaker 5: But it's funny.

547
00:29:12,319 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 3: I'm gonna bring back a story that just happened last week, Fred,

548
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,039
And since you and I are just having this great conversation,

549
00:29:20,559 --> 00:29:23,519
I had, you know, junior golfers and we went to

550
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:27,279
sort of like a wonderful little bowling alley and it

551
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,720
had all the video games and you could actually get

552
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,680
a video game and you get you know, sort of

553
00:29:33,279 --> 00:29:35,039
you know, all the tickets. You know that you go

554
00:29:35,119 --> 00:29:36,799
like the Chuck E Cheese and those places where you

555
00:29:36,839 --> 00:29:38,799
get all the tickets and you can go in and

556
00:29:38,839 --> 00:29:40,920
have your kids, you get it. Well, I had some

557
00:29:41,039 --> 00:29:46,680
junior golfers hit like a little water balloon that had

558
00:29:46,759 --> 00:29:51,240
invisible ink onto one of my you know, young LPGA

559
00:29:51,359 --> 00:29:53,720
teaching professionals, and they did it as a joke and

560
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:54,200
they took it.

561
00:29:54,119 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 5: In good stride.

562
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 3: But I'm sitting there and I'm looking at this and here,

563
00:29:58,079 --> 00:30:01,240
you know, the LPGA teaching profession had like a white

564
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:02,519
blouse on it and there was a.

565
00:30:02,519 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 5: Huge big thing blue ink.

566
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,279
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, blue ink. And I'm you know, it was

567
00:30:10,279 --> 00:30:12,400
sitting here, I'm going, oh my goodness, now what happened.

568
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:14,960
I was sitting here going, well, you know, junior golfers,

569
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,480
hey kids or kids, you know, and we all laughed

570
00:30:17,519 --> 00:30:20,839
about it, and you know, the teaching professionals.

571
00:30:21,119 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 5: My goodness, what's going on? I go, oh, I can't.

572
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,359
Speaker 3: This is a brand new blouse. And they were talking

573
00:30:25,359 --> 00:30:28,799
about After about ten minutes, it all faded away. And

574
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:30,960
so I started thinking about this as you were, you know,

575
00:30:31,359 --> 00:30:36,119
posing that question. Is that you have invisible ink that

576
00:30:36,279 --> 00:30:38,720
it shows up for a while and it dissolves, or

577
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:42,279
you have what we call indelible ink that leaves its

578
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,559
mark that you know it's It's sort of like that's

579
00:30:45,559 --> 00:30:50,680
the difference between great players and the wannabes. The wannabes

580
00:30:50,799 --> 00:30:54,160
get hit with that ink and it isn't a disappearing,

581
00:30:54,319 --> 00:30:59,759
dissolving invisible ink. It becomes an indelible ink. It becomes

582
00:30:59,759 --> 00:31:04,039
an ink stain. They think they've damaged the round and

583
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,839
it stays with them and all they can do is

584
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,319
look at the stain and they never get through it.

585
00:31:12,279 --> 00:31:14,240
And it was interesting. I mean, that's kind of an

586
00:31:14,279 --> 00:31:17,359
analogy for really what we do, because that's really what

587
00:31:17,519 --> 00:31:22,400
acceptance is all about. Acceptance, and I'm trying to explain

588
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,720
this to all of my tour players and all of

589
00:31:24,759 --> 00:31:27,519
my players, where collegiate or junior players, the amateur players,

590
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:33,920
Acceptance is really a neutral objective term when you accept

591
00:31:34,039 --> 00:31:36,720
the result of something that has happened. Say that you

592
00:31:36,839 --> 00:31:38,759
have a player that's double bogue in the first hole,

593
00:31:38,839 --> 00:31:42,119
and now they oh, they start going into the personal

594
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:43,000
pity party.

595
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 5: Why why? Why?

596
00:31:45,559 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 3: And what happens is that you really have to be

597
00:31:49,799 --> 00:31:53,559
able to accept that and let that go. There's acceptance

598
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,640
and then there's release. But what I'm trying to explain

599
00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:02,599
to people is that acceptance is not a passive, weak term.

600
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:07,720
Acceptance is a very warrior like, peaceful, warrior like term

601
00:32:08,079 --> 00:32:12,119
because you come to grips with the reality it is

602
00:32:12,519 --> 00:32:15,279
what it is. You don't have to like you know

603
00:32:15,279 --> 00:32:17,920
that you just double boge the first hole and you

604
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:21,039
could have a little bit, you know, of emotion, a

605
00:32:21,119 --> 00:32:23,680
little bit of what we call that arousal drive that

606
00:32:23,839 --> 00:32:26,440
sort of kind of kick it into a different gear. Okay,

607
00:32:26,519 --> 00:32:29,279
let's get through this. You don't have to like it,

608
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:33,240
but you must accept it. If there's one must one

609
00:32:33,359 --> 00:32:36,880
mustism in golf, you must accept because it is what

610
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,839
it is, because it will be unchanging. It's history. It's

611
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,920
a done deal. The last hole, whatever you made is

612
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,599
Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, it's history. It's a done deal,

613
00:32:47,799 --> 00:32:49,559
you need to put it behind you and move on.

614
00:32:50,359 --> 00:32:54,839
And when you accept and you release, you now have

615
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,680
closure on that event and you can now move into

616
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:03,640
the new shot re energized, reinvigorated, and ready to play

617
00:33:03,759 --> 00:33:06,839
with confidence and ready to play, you know, with with

618
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,839
new enthusiasm for the upcoming shots. And that's really what

619
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:15,000
the dissolving the invisible ink. You dismiss it, you dissolve,

620
00:33:15,279 --> 00:33:17,960
you get it, you know through you you move through it.

621
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:22,039
But when you have the indelible ink, when you stain yourself,

622
00:33:22,319 --> 00:33:27,559
when you do not accept, you take that stain that trash,

623
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,160
and you take it and you stain the next shot

624
00:33:30,559 --> 00:33:33,480
and the next shot, and before long, you know, your

625
00:33:33,559 --> 00:33:34,559
round is trash.

626
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 1: And that's why we're talking about.

627
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, you have to throw the shirt because the ink

628
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:42,440
will not go away. The concept of the invisible ink

629
00:33:42,519 --> 00:33:44,920
ors is indelible ink just drew me immediately to the

630
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,079
fact that that's why we use pencils on our score cards.

631
00:33:48,319 --> 00:33:49,759
Speaker 1: Yeah right, yeahs.

632
00:33:51,319 --> 00:33:53,079
Speaker 3: And you always have to watch the golfers that have

633
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,319
the pencils with the erasers at the top. I'll tell you,

634
00:33:56,319 --> 00:33:58,799
you know, but no, we don't play with those type

635
00:33:58,799 --> 00:34:01,799
of people. So those those people, you know, that's that's

636
00:34:01,799 --> 00:34:03,640
a game of management, you know. So those are the

637
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,079
people what I call the ninety nine percenters. They're so

638
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,320
worried about score because that's really what happened. I mean

639
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:13,199
when when players come in and one of my chapters

640
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:18,480
is chapter five, I care so much about score, results

641
00:34:18,519 --> 00:34:21,840
and my reputation. And I always talk about that is

642
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,320
that the first thing people ask you when you come

643
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,239
in from a round of golf, Fred It isn't hey,

644
00:34:27,559 --> 00:34:31,599
did you really stay emotionally invested in every shot you commit,

645
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,159
be your routine and every shot. They don't to ask that.

646
00:34:34,519 --> 00:34:38,639
The ninety nine percenters ask why did you shoot? What'd

647
00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:40,639
you shoot? You know? Or even if they say, well,

648
00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:42,880
how did you play? And Fred Green gives them an

649
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:44,840
answer like, well, I'll tell you what I hit twelve

650
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,639
out of fourteen fairways, I hit fifteen out of eighteen Green,

651
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:48,519
they go, no.

652
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:49,800
Speaker 5: No, no, I don't want to hear that stuff.

653
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to hear you know what you shot.

654
00:34:53,519 --> 00:34:56,360
And the only reason they ask Fred Green that is

655
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:57,840
they don't care about Fred.

656
00:34:57,599 --> 00:34:59,760
Speaker 1: Green, right, They want to care to themselves.

657
00:35:00,639 --> 00:35:04,199
Speaker 3: Absolutely. It's about comparing. So that's why when we talk

658
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:08,440
about golf. You have an objective score and then you

659
00:35:08,519 --> 00:35:12,519
have sort of a subjective interpretation of that score. And

660
00:35:12,599 --> 00:35:15,920
it's so important that you know, young players learned that

661
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,440
you are not your score, your self image, your golf esteem,

662
00:35:19,599 --> 00:35:22,960
your golf confidence isn't just wrapped up in your score.

663
00:35:23,679 --> 00:35:26,039
And you know, because there's a lot of things that

664
00:35:26,159 --> 00:35:27,840
you know, you have to be able to pull out

665
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,519
of around where you didn't score well, but you did

666
00:35:30,519 --> 00:35:34,039
some things really well subjectively, and that's really what we

667
00:35:34,119 --> 00:35:36,199
have to kind of focus on. And that's really what

668
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,159
I'm talking about here in Mistake Free Golf, and I'm

669
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,880
just gonna go down you know, these these different chapters.

670
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:43,159
Speaker 5: Fred.

671
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 4: So that's great because you know what I was about

672
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:53,880
to bring up chapter five. I was about to bring

673
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,880
up chapter five when you said.

674
00:35:56,679 --> 00:35:57,119
Speaker 5: It, okay.

675
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 4: I wanted to bring you up because I got an

676
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:03,199
email recently from a listener in Australia who is talking

677
00:36:03,199 --> 00:36:06,559
about how he's trying really hard to not focus on

678
00:36:06,599 --> 00:36:09,000
the scorecard, not to look at where he is in

679
00:36:09,079 --> 00:36:12,280
his round until at the end, and he plays with

680
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,440
people who are all the time going all right, I'm

681
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,639
one up, okay, I'm you know, we're even and we're

682
00:36:16,639 --> 00:36:18,760
two in no doubt, you know, And he's like, stop it,

683
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,519
He says, how do I get these people to stop

684
00:36:21,559 --> 00:36:23,480
reminding me with the score is If they want to

685
00:36:23,519 --> 00:36:25,519
do it, that's fine, but I don't. How do I

686
00:36:25,599 --> 00:36:27,159
keep them from getting in my face on that?

687
00:36:28,199 --> 00:36:30,159
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, that's the big thing, because you know,

688
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:34,519
most golfers really aren't playing golf. They're playing the game

689
00:36:34,599 --> 00:36:37,920
of how am I doing? You know, how am I comparing?

690
00:36:38,679 --> 00:36:43,639
And they're scorekeepers and they're keeping stats. And these people

691
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:48,480
are probably bankers, people who work with numbers, CPAs I mean,

692
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,360
and they're always about the number. They're always about the

693
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:55,599
bottom line. So you know, when people ask you and hey,

694
00:36:55,639 --> 00:36:56,360
you know, how you doing?

695
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 5: How you doing?

696
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,519
Speaker 3: You take it and you actually deflect it. You put

697
00:37:00,519 --> 00:37:04,679
the onus of responsibility back on the questioner. You go,

698
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,400
I'm doing pretty well, as I'm playing pretty well, how

699
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:07,920
are you doing?

700
00:37:08,199 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 5: How are you shooting? You deflect it right back.

701
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:13,679
Speaker 3: Instead of trying to say, hey, I've got to give

702
00:37:13,679 --> 00:37:15,760
you an answer. I've got to tally up my score.

703
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,239
Even if they tell you, hey, you know, well you're

704
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,960
two you're two over. You know your three behind? You

705
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:22,719
know what you have to be able to do is

706
00:37:23,199 --> 00:37:26,679
you have to be able to dismiss the good thoughts,

707
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:31,079
the good intentions, and all the speaking of others and

708
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:33,599
kind of just move into your own thing. And that's

709
00:37:33,639 --> 00:37:36,079
really what being in your bubble is all about, is

710
00:37:36,119 --> 00:37:38,039
that you have to just sort of just let it,

711
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:42,000
just let it pass. Instead of thinking no, no, keep

712
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,320
your eyes, you know, and ears closed, you just kind

713
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,519
of dismiss it and say, oh, that's good. You know,

714
00:37:46,599 --> 00:37:48,840
we're great, and then you just kind of get back

715
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,480
into your business. But that's that's really worth Chapter five

716
00:37:52,519 --> 00:37:54,920
and I've got some very specific, you know, some really

717
00:37:55,039 --> 00:37:58,280
nice ones you know, in this And I really want

718
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,960
to say about the book is I talk about a

719
00:38:01,039 --> 00:38:04,480
nice introduction. I talk about and it was great that

720
00:38:04,639 --> 00:38:09,159
rich Lerner had written my introduction for me the Golf Channel.

721
00:38:09,199 --> 00:38:12,079
I've known rich for a number of years and do

722
00:38:12,199 --> 00:38:14,599
a lot of charity work for his family golf tournament,

723
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,159
and he had written me just an eloquent you introduction.

724
00:38:18,679 --> 00:38:22,559
And then I talk about a player I interviewed waltzon Briski,

725
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:24,800
you know, the iron worker that came from New Jersey

726
00:38:25,119 --> 00:38:29,800
who belongs to my home club Orange Tree in Orlando, Florida,

727
00:38:30,519 --> 00:38:33,480
and we start talking about you know that story. But

728
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,360
and then it goes right into like the nine different

729
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,400
mistakes that golfers make. And the first mistake that golfers

730
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:45,599
make is I don't believe in my talent. I worry,

731
00:38:45,679 --> 00:38:48,559
I doubt, And that's that's the first chapter. And the

732
00:38:48,599 --> 00:38:51,360
second chapter is I hit the ball when I know

733
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:55,079
I'm not ready. Chapter three is I get ahead of myself.

734
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,719
I fail to stay in the present moment. Chapter four

735
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,800
is I do not to my shot or my game plan.

736
00:39:02,639 --> 00:39:06,599
Number five, I care too much about score results, my reputation.

737
00:39:07,559 --> 00:39:11,559
Chapter six, I worry about what others think about me.

738
00:39:13,039 --> 00:39:17,000
Number seven I expect to play perfect, and number eight

739
00:39:17,159 --> 00:39:20,400
I think too much, and number nine.

740
00:39:20,159 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 5: I lose my composure.

741
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 3: So for every one of these chapters spread I give

742
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:29,639
a nice presentation, a descripting or a describing story. I

743
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:33,199
use a lot of players interviews, and then I give prescriptions.

744
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:37,119
I give treatments what we call doctor Bob's Rix for success.

745
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,480
And at the very end of very chapter, I compress

746
00:39:40,559 --> 00:39:42,880
it almost into like a little zip drive. If you

747
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,840
want to use computer technology, I say take.

748
00:39:45,679 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 5: It to the course.

749
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 3: This is what you need to do because people can say,

750
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,719
you can talk to me about confidence and trust all

751
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,719
day long, just tell me what I need to do.

752
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,320
And so I'm really big into Okay, this is what

753
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,719
you need to do do. This is what has worked

754
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,760
and has worked in the past, is working now and

755
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,840
it will work in the future. And you need to

756
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,639
comply with this. And if you do this, you're going

757
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:11,960
to be well on your road to the road of

758
00:40:12,119 --> 00:40:12,880
yes I can.

759
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,280
Speaker 4: It's so consistent with that. I've always thought about the

760
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:21,400
difference between men and women. Men are results oriented, women

761
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,960
are process oriented. So when you know, when you when

762
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,320
you when a woman says, ah, I'm having such a

763
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,440
hard time with okay, let's plug in golf. I'm having

764
00:40:31,599 --> 00:40:33,880
you know, it's such a hard time with this fill

765
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,079
in the blank, and the guy will say, well, here,

766
00:40:36,119 --> 00:40:37,719
here's what you need to do, like you have at

767
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:39,679
the end of your chapter. Here's exactly what you need

768
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:41,679
to do, and she looks at he says, I don't

769
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,880
want an answer. I just want you to listen to me.

770
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:46,559
Speaker 1: And that's why I like.

771
00:40:46,599 --> 00:40:47,039
Speaker 5: That's right.

772
00:40:47,119 --> 00:40:49,039
Speaker 4: They like to talk to their girlfriends because they just

773
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,800
so I've learned, I'm coming up. I've been married thirty

774
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,320
four years, and I've learned that when when you know,

775
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,440
when my wife presents a problem that she's having, I've

776
00:40:58,519 --> 00:41:01,199
learned instead of giving her an answer, I've learned how

777
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:02,840
to nod a lot and.

778
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:06,800
Speaker 3: Say, oh, well that's that's that's really good. That's just

779
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:11,360
good mental management and emotional management, right there, Fred, Yeah,

780
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:16,119
so that's that's the hard Yeah. Well, I mean that's

781
00:41:16,159 --> 00:41:18,079
the point, you know, and being married. You know, the

782
00:41:18,079 --> 00:41:21,000
old thing about men, and I'm making a very gender

783
00:41:21,039 --> 00:41:23,719
statement here is do you want to be happy or

784
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:27,039
do you want to be right? And doctor Phil, you know,

785
00:41:27,159 --> 00:41:29,079
was always talking about that, you know, do you want.

786
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:30,159
Speaker 5: To be happy? Do you want to be right?

787
00:41:30,639 --> 00:41:33,280
Speaker 3: But in my book Mistake for e Golf, First Day,

788
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,760
for your golfing brain, I sort of present both, sort

789
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:40,840
of that male female brain, if you will, because women

790
00:41:41,079 --> 00:41:44,400
always ask me, Fred, why why are we doing this?

791
00:41:44,599 --> 00:41:44,800
Speaker 4: Wow?

792
00:41:45,599 --> 00:41:48,800
Speaker 3: Why why is this so? And so I want players

793
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,960
to understand, this is why you're having this problem, this

794
00:41:52,079 --> 00:41:55,679
is why this has become an issue for you. Now

795
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,599
now we answer that question why, here's why it is,

796
00:41:59,639 --> 00:42:02,719
and here's how you need to do it. Here's how

797
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:04,800
you can get through it. And here's how you can

798
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:08,400
prevent it from coming and happening again. So that's sort

799
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,480
of really what you were kind of talking about. And

800
00:42:10,519 --> 00:42:14,320
that's why so many people say you present the problem,

801
00:42:14,599 --> 00:42:17,760
you know, the presenting issue. You describe it, and you

802
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:22,320
give great interviews and the Michelle Wiez, the Suzanne Petterson's,

803
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,679
the Nick Prices, the Greg Normans, all the people that

804
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,800
you know, give like these wonderful, you know, little interviews

805
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,199
to you, and then you actually sort of kind of

806
00:42:31,199 --> 00:42:34,360
go through and elaborate on what they did, what they said,

807
00:42:34,639 --> 00:42:36,880
and then here's what we need to do in order

808
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,800
to prevent it. And so people have gone through and

809
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:43,440
they say, wow, this is unlike anything I've ever read before.

810
00:42:43,599 --> 00:42:46,199
So you know, we're really happy with it because I

811
00:42:46,199 --> 00:42:49,239
took a different approach instead of saying, okay, you need

812
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:50,039
to adhere.

813
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 5: To your routine.

814
00:42:51,119 --> 00:42:54,119
Speaker 3: I mean I took a look at here's the negativity,

815
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,840
here's the mistake, here's the danger zone. All right. So

816
00:42:58,000 --> 00:42:59,960
all right, so you've cut yourself on the golf course.

817
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,360
Here's how you apply the tourniquet. Here's how we actually

818
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:03,960
get better.

819
00:43:05,559 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 4: Absolutely, why do I have a sense that these nine

820
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:13,159
chapters are kind of like the front nine. There's gonna

821
00:43:13,159 --> 00:43:14,760
be a back nine soon to follow.

822
00:43:15,679 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 3: Well, yes, you know, and I'm just really happy because

823
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:22,880
the books has been receiving uh five stars you know,

824
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,119
from literary sources such as good Reads.

825
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:26,679
Speaker 1: Oh congratulations.

826
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 3: Yes, and it's it's just everyone who reads it's been

827
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,840
you know, Uh, it's been available now through Amazon dot

828
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:36,159
com and Indie Bound and Barnes and Noble. I mean

829
00:43:36,199 --> 00:43:38,360
you can you can get it anywhere. It's available at

830
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:39,920
all book real retailers.

831
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:41,760
Speaker 4: Well, you know what, Here's where you get it is

832
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,480
at golfsmarter dot com because we do have the book

833
00:43:44,639 --> 00:43:47,079
in our golfers mart. We have all of your books

834
00:43:47,079 --> 00:43:50,480
in our our shopping section. Yeah, via Amazon, so you

835
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:52,119
can get it from your kindle or you know, you

836
00:43:52,119 --> 00:43:53,639
can get it for download, or you can buy the

837
00:43:53,639 --> 00:43:56,639
hard copy. So yeah, just to remind everybody that this

838
00:43:56,679 --> 00:43:58,039
book is available.

839
00:43:57,599 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 1: Right now in our in our shop at golf Smarter.

840
00:44:00,559 --> 00:44:01,559
You don't have to go anywhere else.

841
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:02,639
Speaker 5: Well.

842
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And you know, someone asked me the other day,

843
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,039
they said, well, what's the greatest mistake you know, doctor

844
00:44:08,079 --> 00:44:11,760
winners that you think uh is in golf And I said, well,

845
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:13,280
I mean I can give you my nine.

846
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 5: But I think the tenth.

847
00:44:14,119 --> 00:44:16,679
Speaker 3: One is is that you fail. You make the mistake in.

848
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:17,679
Speaker 5: Not buying this book.

849
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 3: So I think that's the greatest mental mistake it is.

850
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:24,760
I mean, I just think you know, people who have

851
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:25,760
read it, who've come.

852
00:44:25,679 --> 00:44:27,599
Speaker 5: Up to me and they go wow, uh.

853
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 3: And I get emails, you know, every day talking about

854
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,800
people who've had uh, they've cut you know, I mean,

855
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,400
they've actually taken seven eight shots, you know, off of

856
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:40,079
their score. They've shot their they've shot their lowest score.

857
00:44:41,079 --> 00:44:44,039
They got into a zone like state where they were

858
00:44:44,079 --> 00:44:47,280
playing one after one until I'm done. And I talk

859
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,480
about that mantra uh in a lot of my chapters.

860
00:44:50,519 --> 00:44:52,280
Speaker 5: But the point of it is.

861
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 3: That's what people want. They want something that's an easy read,

862
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:59,800
that's simple and very specific. And that's always been my

863
00:45:00,159 --> 00:45:03,840
KISS principle. I've never thought about keeping it simple stupid,

864
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:08,119
because golfers are not stupid people. They're very highly intelligent.

865
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,920
They know what works, they know what works for them

866
00:45:11,199 --> 00:45:15,639
and what doesn't. So I've always said KISS means keeping

867
00:45:15,679 --> 00:45:19,119
it simple and keeping it specific, having a simple thought

868
00:45:19,559 --> 00:45:22,400
and a specific target. And here's what we need to do.

869
00:45:22,559 --> 00:45:24,320
So let's go out and let's go do it. And

870
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,000
so that's what mistake free golf has always been about.

871
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:31,639
Speaker 4: Oh, absolutely fabulous. So to wrap this up, I'm just

872
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:35,599
so curious about this. Tell me some of the people

873
00:45:35,639 --> 00:45:38,199
you've been working with and helping out, because we've been

874
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:42,920
seeing some names that we don't recognize necessarily on the

875
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:47,440
winners winning on the tour, both women and men. How

876
00:45:47,519 --> 00:45:50,719
many of these people can you say, Yep, I've had

877
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:52,360
some input, I've worked with them.

878
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, but people go into Yeah, if people

879
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:03,320
go into the Doctor Bob Winters winners list every week,

880
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,800
I have different winners on there. I can tell you

881
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,639
one of the young stars that has done great over

882
00:46:09,679 --> 00:46:12,840
this past year and who I've actually taken it sort

883
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,360
of as a cub and brought him all the way up,

884
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,760
you know, was Brooks Koepka, who's just a great talent,

885
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:22,159
you know, from southern Florida and who played for Florida State.

886
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:23,840
He's a great talent. It's going to be, you know,

887
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:28,960
working great. Another wonderful talent who just started working with

888
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:32,199
her about eight months ago is the Korean golfer he

889
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:37,400
Young Park and He Young is an absolute fantastic talent.

890
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:42,079
We have you know, Elise Saramia who is a European

891
00:46:42,159 --> 00:46:45,719
tour pro and Perene Delacour who is a French LPGA

892
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,960
tour professional. We've got, you know, so many new up

893
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,400
and coming ones to go with the people that I've

894
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,800
had the pleasure of working with in the past, such

895
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:57,360
as the Justin Roses and in the Lee Westwoods and

896
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:00,360
the Michelle Wiez. But there's so many new play years

897
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:05,079
coming up, and I love I love my developing tour players.

898
00:47:05,079 --> 00:47:06,840
You know, people you have worked.

899
00:47:06,559 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 1: With Justin Rose and Michelle we or.

900
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,639
Speaker 3: Like yeah, yeah, years.

901
00:47:12,039 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 1: Past, Yeah, oh you have Okay, awesome, awesome.

902
00:47:15,559 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, years and years years past now you know I

903
00:47:18,519 --> 00:47:20,280
you know, I don't work with him, you know, currently,

904
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,920
but you know, through the years, through their developing. You know,

905
00:47:23,159 --> 00:47:25,800
I've been very lucky to have access, you know, to

906
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:29,760
many of the Ledbetter people come through the Ledbetter Academy

907
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,639
and you know, people such as the Sandra Gals to

908
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:36,400
Julieta Granadas and people such as that you know, have

909
00:47:36,559 --> 00:47:39,800
worked with David and obviously you know, being with David,

910
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:43,079
I'm going on my fifteenth year now being with David,

911
00:47:43,519 --> 00:47:46,599
and David's working on some new things has really sort

912
00:47:46,599 --> 00:47:50,559
of been pioneering some new strategies and it's very exciting,

913
00:47:50,639 --> 00:47:52,960
you know what he's doing. So a lot of things

914
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,920
we're doing at champions Gate is in collaboration, you know,

915
00:47:56,079 --> 00:47:59,599
with with everything, and it's all sort of interactive and

916
00:48:00,159 --> 00:48:03,960
so it's a mind body spirit. It's just a lot

917
00:48:04,039 --> 00:48:06,360
of great stuff going on right there. So it's just

918
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:09,000
a lot of new things going on, Fred. But I'll

919
00:48:09,039 --> 00:48:11,400
tell you the greatest, you know, some of the greatest

920
00:48:12,119 --> 00:48:15,440
what I call success stories have come from some of

921
00:48:15,559 --> 00:48:19,639
my young college players who have now come out or

922
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:23,880
going on the tours, the developmental tours, because the whole

923
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:27,280
planet right now, Fred is a golf tour. Whether you're

924
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:31,159
playing in Singapore, or you're playing in El Paso, Texas,

925
00:48:31,519 --> 00:48:34,480
or you're playing in southern California, or you're playing in Maine,

926
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:38,079
there's a golf tournament going on somewhere right now where

927
00:48:38,079 --> 00:48:42,480
you've got great talented people playing. And much like tennis

928
00:48:42,519 --> 00:48:45,400
did twenty twenty five, thirty years ago, that's really what

929
00:48:45,559 --> 00:48:46,000
golf is.

930
00:48:46,119 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 5: I mean, I've been.

931
00:48:47,639 --> 00:48:51,519
Speaker 3: Associating myself now with the Hurricane Junior Golf Tour, the

932
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:56,119
AHAGA and the FCWT and so I've been doing a

933
00:48:56,199 --> 00:48:58,000
lot of work with that and even the Maple Leaf

934
00:48:58,119 --> 00:49:01,719
Junior Golf Tour up in Canada. We're sort of developing

935
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:06,119
a whole new recruitment of junior golfers who are just

936
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:08,519
actually just you know, punching through and.

937
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:11,599
Speaker 5: Going to get there into the winner circle here very soon.

938
00:49:12,159 --> 00:49:13,239
And they start and.

939
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 3: They're starting to come up younger because we have so

940
00:49:16,119 --> 00:49:20,880
much competition now and better information, much like the Fred

941
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:24,639
Green golf Smarter podcasts where golfers can go in and

942
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:27,840
listen to some of the world's best talk about their

943
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,880
skill and how they can make golfers better. So I

944
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:34,119
always appreciate being on because it's a real honor to

945
00:49:34,199 --> 00:49:36,639
be with you and on your show, and hopefully we've

946
00:49:36,679 --> 00:49:40,159
given you, know, the listener, some great information you have and.

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Speaker 4: I'm flattered that you would include me in that list.

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Thank you very much, doctor Bob. It was great to

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talk to you again, and once again, the book Mistake

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Free Golf First Aid for your Golfing Brain is available

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at Golfsmarter dot com in our golfersmart Doctor Bob, wonderful

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to speak to you. Best of luck in the future,

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and we look forward to talking to you when your

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next book comes out.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Fred so much, and like I always tell you,

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I hope you always find your ball at the bottom

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of the cup.