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much appreciated. Now on with the show. Good evening, Mark,
and welcome to the show. Thank you for joining us today.
And you're calling from California. Now, Mark, you have some
experiences you're going to be sharing with us tonight. Would
you like to start a beginning please?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, I've been wanting to this first time I've
ever talked about it, but I wrote it down. I've
never really like a lot of other people, you know,
they have a YouTube challeng or something, aliens whatever you
want to call them. The Other Intelligence told me to
like write it down. They told me to make a book,
you know, but I never I just never did it.
But I wrote down like a lot of stuff because
they just gave me a lot of stuff that it
was all kind of in my mind, you know. But anyway,
I guess where should I start? I should start where
When I was younger, off and on, I would I
didn't really attach anything that I have. This like spiral
feeling right upon going to sleep, felt like this in
a half away state, right when you're going out to sleep.
I remember this low, like corkscrew like twisting feeling where
you just feel like like really euphoric, like right to
the center of your chest, and you were just part
of this chunky spiral that was just going like turn
really low. You know, you were just the center of
this giant like a whirlpool, but as if you were
just turning real flu you know. Just I I used
to have that feeling like I didn't really know what
it was, but you know, I kind of remember back
when I was seven maybe, and then like early teens,
I would I remember having that feeling, and then I
remember I was like about fifteen. I mean I remember
it kind of twice before, but then I remember one
time when I was like about fifteen, and I wasn't
even sixteen or seventeen, it was like mid teen. I
remember one time I thought, yeah, I want to go
sleep outside. I just had this thought that I remember
taking my mattress as I slept outside on the edge
of this field, and I remember that night I had
that spiral feeling, just like really great feeling where you
just feel like you're just spinning real flu but like
you are part of this quirkscrew just but it was
kind of like centers right in the center of your chest.
But I remember when that happened, I could hear the train.
I thought it was the train like going up the grade.
There's like we used to be a train that would
go up the Willet's grade. It's pretty steep, but you
hear the trains like rumbling, like you know, they'd be
like all trains would be chugging climbing the grade. As
they started going up the grade, it would like kind
of sneak around. But I remember feeling that vibration like
kind of slow. But then later on I kind of
think it was connected with the spiral. I remember telling
my mom, Yeah, I had that spiral film last night,
you know, and she's saying, oh, you know, it's probably
just a dreamer. Anyway, So then I played again, probably
another time, like mid twenties or it wasn't really that
often anyways, I was like thirty eight and three quarters
when they finally came. I gotta tell you some other
other things that happened also. But anyway, so then right
that same night that when they first came, they put
me in that spiral feeling, and then all this stuff happened.
I knew, okay, you know that I was connected with them.
You know, they were visiting me earlier. It would connect like,
oh okay, that's what that sporal feeling was.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: Somehow they were kicked me. But I don't. I didn't
remember anything, you know what I mean. So that was
the one thing. Another time we were planning grapes. This
is way back. I was like we were fourteen, we're
the kids. I remember somebody said, yeah, it was there's
a UFO over there, and all of a sudden, everybody
thought they saw I didn't see nothing, and other people thought.
They said everybody wanted to believe that they saw something.
And I remember everybody ran down the field and you know,
they were running about. My one cousin, Paulus, I asked
to talk about. Yeah, I remember that one time everybody
thought we saw Ufo, and you know, other people thought
there was a flock of birds. But some people wanted
to believe that they saw it, but you know, they didn't.
I didn't see anything, but I remember everybody was all
hyped up about somebody saw Ufo, and everybody ran down
to the end of the field. And it's amazing that
my cousin Paulus, just last year finally came back and
he visited and I asked him about what he saw,
and he's the only one that actually saw anything. But
he said he saw what looked like a somebody was
like flashing a mirror, flashing mirror, you'd see like a
light just kind of like going like flashing. And he
said it like moved down this one road. He said
he can see it go between tree, like pine trees,
so he could see it behind, you know, one pine
tree and in front of another pine tree. It kind
of went between. He said. He kind of went back
and circled around where the lake was and then came back.
There was just nothing more than like somebody was like
flashing a mirror, you know, like you'd see it from
a distance somebody. And then he said it came back
and then it just shot up at like like a
forty five and took off, And I said, are you
kidding that you saw that? I mean, I didn't find
this out until like fifty years later, because if I'm
like sixty nine now and I'm getting a hole fast.
But yeah, so when I was visited, I was like thirty,
it was nineteen ninety three. And when we saw that,
when everybody was hyped up about the UFO, that was
like nineteen sixty four or five or something. And then
another thing that happened. I was standing out on the
porch of this old house, this little red house, when
I was a little kid. I mean I was young,
because I remember we'd mark how high we were on
the post of the porch, you know, you see, Oh
there were small kids, you know, you put your mark.
I remember I carved like a little alien. Back then.
It was like little green men with an antenna on
their head with a little zig zag electrical going in
between the antennas, right, So it was like I remember,
I carved this little alien's head in the wood of
the post was a little antenna's I kind of thought, wow,
like somehow everybody would be talking about, you know, a
little green man.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: But that's about as much I knew about it back then. Anyways,
I was standing out there. I see this like a
fireball go shooting down. I thought it hit the mountain.
I remember righting up and told my dad, Yeah, it
was a big fireball crashed in the mountain. I wanted
to go up and you know, find it. It was
like just big you can see like a tail. But
this was like during the day. I might have been
getting a little bit dusk. I remember this big fireball
just went like through the big arc. Looked like it
just landed right down the mountain, you know, I thought.
But anyway, that was another weird thing. You know, I
still never connected it was, you know, the UFOs or
not back. I wasn't really that much of a you know,
it's not weird as kids, but you know, people heard
this and that about different things, you know, UFO. But
it was kind of like imagine that kind of like stories. Anyway,
the other things that happened, Okay, this was one of
the weird things. Was we were watching Mission Impossible on
TV and it says, if you decide to accept this mission,
and there's like a little tape recorder and then the
mission is given here and then the tape recorder goes
like sho and like melts, you know, it's like smoke
and just to destroy the evidence of the guy's mission,
you know. And that was like the beginning maybe Mission Possible,
and it has music. Anyway, we're all watching Mission Possible,
and it's like in the middle of the show. If
I grew up in twelve kids, I'm the second of
the twelve. Yeah, we live out on a ranch, you know,
grow grapes, fun grape ended up starting a winery and everything,
but you know that was a long time ago before
I the winery started. But we're watching Mission Possible, and anyway,
everybody's like a commercial break. Everybody gets up, get a
sandwich or whatever, go to the bathroom. During the commercial,
I'm sitting there. I'm the only one on the couch
and it's like big couch. And then and I see
like what it's like a ghost TV screen. It's like
in mid air between the brother built this like a
heath kit TV and it was like in a Plywood.
He built the whole thing by you know, back then
had the hole style TVs. There was like a TV
screen in between the other screen, and there was like
three red stripe bands, you know, like when the TV
is kind of like getting a bad signal, you'll see
that these stripes going like and they just keep drifting
up the screen. And as soon as the upper stripe
goes out off the top, when we'll appear on the
bottom right, So there's always like was three these red
stripes that were kind of like static with these stripes
they were red that were just slowly moving up the screen.
And I thought, I didn't write think anything. I just
thought it was like a ghost. But I didn't. I
should have thought it was weirder than I did. I
didn't really then. So then right after that, it's like
just in mid air, but I could see right through it,
and I just see the other TV behind it, you know,
whatever was on it. I wasn't really watching the commercial
of whatever was on it. Then all of a sudden,
the corner of my left eye, it seemed like it
was like a room that was downstairs, but it was
just nothing but a reflection off of the light off
this tile floor that was like one of these old
tiles on knowing floors. Then all of a sudden, I
just thought I saw a room that was down there,
like a game room where I kind of thought that
it was a pool to down there, you know, and
there's like a stairway and there's like a light, there's
a room down there. But it just kind of peered
out of my left edge and my left eye, you know.
I just well, that happened right after I saw the
screen Maybay. That was a weird thing. And I remember
telling my dad, yeah, I saw this Gholst TV screen.
I thought I saw a room that was kind of
just downstairs, you know it Then you look and you go, oh,
it's just like a reflection off from the sun off
the floor, you know. But it just was so real
for the second there. That was a weird thing. I
didn't really take consider it as being paranormally, you know,
but I didn't really get all scared anyway. So later
I was in high school, but I remember they were
going to have like a dream class, and everybody said, yeah,
you know, a dream class. You have your notebook, you
write down everything you dream, you know. But I just
had this one image of like a Red Man's Anita tree.
I don't know if you've ever seen a Man's Anita,
but when the when they're wet in the bark is
like just bright red Mansas. They just looked like blood red.
And I remember Red Man's Anita going like wow, you know,
just it was just like so real, you know. Other
than that, I didn't have any dreams that I remember,
but I just remember that because later on, when they
were just speaking in dreams and all this and giving
me all these visions and stuff, I thought that I went,
my god, you know, that must have been themn you know,
gave me that Red Manseda dream, because now that was,
you know, because they can give dreams that are just
so real compared to just the regular dream. And I thought,
so that was probably from them. And then I got
in when I was late twenties twenty eight, and we
were playing vineyard out in the field and I was
like the guy digging the holes with a shovel, right,
because at first they plowed filled up really the super flush,
so everything's super easy to dig, you know, and just
like immaculate. It was so easy dig you didn't even
need to postal you just used the shovel I was.
I was using shovel digging. It was one day, and
so I gonna be the shovel digger the next day.
You know, they have the planters and shovel diggers, and
you get out there in the morning. It's right nice
and cool, and you know it's nice when it's weather,
it's nice and the soil is really nice. Maybe it's
the next morning. So I have a dream where I
find this red rock, like a super bright red rock. Anyway,
I go out there next day and then I'm digging
and I dig up this pretty sure. Right when I
found the rock, I remembered the dream. Well, I'm saying,
but in my mind, I went like, wow, I dream
you know, I dreamed I found the red rock and
I found it was so real, So it was like
it's pre cognitive dream where I found this. It was
like a big rock and it's pretty big, you know,
you could fill your whole hand. And I was really
into rocks, and that was amazing. I thought, amazing, How
could I dream? But I'm pretty sure when I I
didn't remember that that I dreamt it until I found
it later on when they were doing all this other stuff.
They were like unlocking dream sequences in mid morning, and
then all of a sudden, you go, oh wow, I
remember all this stuff. And then you know, you know,
you remember it from the night before. So I think
they have the ability to plant the dream and then
when you remember it, you know that you dreamt that
the day before or that night anyway. So then there's
other stuff that happened after they did all their major stuff,
and I can tell some of those things. And so
one time I was in the warehouse this laughter. I
was just blown away by what they did. But there's
like one of these old radios, like a short waved radio,
and I was talking earlier that day about I wanted
to go to Montown to pick up his old car,
but the guys told me, Yeah, the weather's really bad
up here. Now. It's like been snowing and it's all
a rosel icee. You know, you shouldn't come up here now,
you know, wait till the brother is better, you know,
and everything's not so dangerous. And so yeah, that was
kind of on my mind. So a little later, I'm
on the back of this warehouse and I like this
old radio. It was like a short wave. I got
from a rich stale or something, you know. So somehow
I was like moving, I had the radio in my hand.
I hear a voice that says it was just like
perfectly clear. It's like a lady's voice said, yes, the
time is not right now, but it will be in
the near future. And then I go, like what he do,
Like it's coming out of the radio. And then then
I let it go, what how does this radio work?
Because it never work before that. I kind of thought,
you know, it's not plugged in. I go, well, there
must be like batteries in it. And I open it up.
There's like no batteries in it, and that really blew
me away. And I said, my god, you have to
have sworn. I mean, I know I heard that. I
heard a voice say that in this radio and it
was radio didn't work. And another time there's like this
really loud like just bang in the corner of the warehouse,
and there's like another lady heard it. She was like
packing boxes for you know, they fell a wine mail
order and Yahoo they have and then she goes, yeah, yeah,
I heard that, you know what was it? And meant
there's like just just like sound like something was blue
up and I went back. They're looking like, what the
heck was that just sounded like this big like tow.
We went looking, you know, there's nothing there. We thought
something like blew up, you know, some something floated, but
there's nothing. There's no evidence of anything. You know. That
was the weird another weird thing that happened. And then
another time, this is after they did all the other
stuff that I could my exploding. Later, I was up
diving fork lift and on the fork left, just moving
stuff in the boneyard, you know, like from one place
to another. And I'm looking in the east and right
when I you know, there sorcers running and I look
up and there's like a it looks like a little
tat can say as the UFO, but it looked kind
of like melted on one side, like it was kind
of dark gray, but one side of it looked you know,
the light if it would refracture and way, it would
kind of look like it wasn't perfect, you know, And
I just for like five seconds, i'd see that, and
I go and then I look down for a second
and I look back up and it's gone. Anyway, they
would they would do edge of vision things when I
would I was all hyped up. And the very day
where I was just really hyped about it, and I'd
be riding my bicycle. Out of the corner my eye,
I would see like a big look like a bird
flying way off in the distance, like a big bird.
You see his wings, and then right when I turned
to look at it, there's nothing there. Right, So they
can do edge of vision. And it's amazing how that
on the very day that you're really thinking about and
you're all excited, like you see that this has happened
like twice two different times. I thought, Okay, that's what
they're doing. There was another time I was at Lake
Minisina when they came. I was like really like attached
to them like somehow, So when they came, I was
like crying, what why did you leave? What It's like
somehow I was bonded with them when I was like
an infant or no other way to you know, I
stull you all the signings if when I grew up,
you know, I remember my grandmother would say, oh, your
mother has such a hard time with you. You just
would cry, and then I'd see pictures of me, and
a lot of the pictures I remember this one scrap book.
He said, there's Marky here is as usual. He's crying again,
just mad like for you know, somehow I maybe the
way I would get attemption. But somehow I had this
weird scene with my mother where kind of shunned me, like,
you know, you know, if you're gonna act that way,
I'm just gonna teach you a lesson that you know,
you're not gonna get being controlled me by just crying
and fighting and whatever. Then I said, I think what
happened was when I was really young, these aliens like
bonded with me and but even though but somehow they
remained like repressed. And I've studied a lot of the
case where they say, oh you're the people have a borderline,
you know, they get just like a split tikey where
it's kind of like my trauma to imagine if a
baby like screams all night. But then I suppose to
hear these stories, oh they gave you away to the
na a whole Indians you know, used to work at
Navaho Reservation where my dad mom were like the doctors
they wanted to I think it's kind of like if
you're trying to have a career and raised kid at
the same time. It's going to conflict, right, so and
then people go, no, that's your nanny. You know you're
imagining it, you know, it's all in your head. You're going, yeah, right,
how's my now nanny coming back? And it's thin air
claiming their people in a parallel world and all this,
and I'm crying because I said, you know, kind why
did you leave? It's the one that came back, this
being I don't even know who they are. Then you
just released this feeling and you're like, you know, we're
the ones that loved you. And I'm just like crying
because then when they left again after they first came,
I felt like theyre would say no, you know, come back,
come back, and I have this abandonment thing where so
that that's where my case is different than all these
cases you hear, you know where you know, these aliens
have no right to message you. You know, you know,
how's the right to take away your fruit? Will when
I see people, you know, you hear some of these
cases where the people are just like bashing the aliens,
you know, with me, I just start getting mad at
those people because of such loyalty for the these aliens.
But yeah, so somehow they instill this extreme dedication, you know,
even though there is side of fact, and you go
through all like being really mad and sometimes you get
mad at them if they but then they you could
tell that when they developed this talking and it was
a long story folk foken dreams for like two years
and then finally they start speaking in as remote images iul.
I could put it where they would throw images in
your mind's eye of literally scenes going way back into
your life or scenes that happened recently in your life.
And they start speaking in this metaphor as similar to
a dreams where in metaphor and dreams, but they would
just take images out of your life and throw the image.
Then I should go back to the story and try
to explain. I never even explained the story yet. I'm
just kind of getting ahead myself. I was kind of
alcohol all like, and smoke really bad, so I had
really bad lung coffin kind of like how bad. You know,
you hear a lot of stories like that. They visit
people that you know, they got to clean up your
hack got young kind of mentality, I said. And I
used to listen to radio station it's called Family Radio
Stations out of Oakland, Californias. They broadcast like all over
the world. This one preacher guys like, he knew a
lot about Bible, numerology and all this. He would like
compare scripture with scripture and you're just super fanatic. He
wrote this book nineteen ninety four. You know, he's one
of these people that's going to predict the end of
the world. In his mind, he'd take everything literally, you know,
the world's gonna burn further and heat. It's gonna be
the end. There will be nothing left. It's just everything's
gonna burn. It's gonna it's not that is the end.
But he wanted to set a date when the world's
gonna burn and when it's gonna end. And so he
read that book ninety ninety four and he's just preaching
on about how all the versus line up, you know,
and he figured out that Christ can they return? And
do you believe a year of nineteen ninety four? And
do you belie year is every forty years? He knew
a lot and I learned a lot about doublicles. The
way it was written in all the different numbers. You know,
there's a lot of numerology stuff where they used different
numbers they and just a lot of stuff where it
is complicated. It all does fit together. He did make
a lot of sense. But anyway, then people I listened
to Open Forum, these people would phone in, you know
what about people are seeing the UFOs and you just go, no,
that he believed everything was satan. You know, Satan is
and you know he said God will not speak. You know,
the last time God spoke was Pentecost. You know, it
was thirty years after Christ's death or something like. When
the apostles were during Pentecost, they would they were supposed
to have tongues of fire on their head and they
were being spoken to by Holy Spirit and then it
says something like, you know, do not but there's all
these warnings. Do not expect after that. You know, the
book was closed at Pentagrast. That was it, and God
will never speak again until the end and anything else
that's coming from the supernatural. He goes, you can bet
Satan will accommodate at you very nuturally, It's like everything
was like Satan, Satan this, and you think it was
just going about you know UFOs or Satan this. You know,
people's minds are very tricky. He'd go on, have people's
you know, you can't trust what people are seeing. You know,
people's minds are very tricky there. They can imagine things,
you know, and all the same old lodge of people that,
oh you read in them. You know, you heard about it.
Next thing, you know, you're imagining, you're seeing this, you know.
And then he goes, but I bet if it is real,
it is definitely not God. God does not speak that
is Satan. So he was just everything with Satan, you know,
because the Bible just harps on about just so many
demons and Satan because I think you know a lot
of people did view with all that stuff as demonic.
So it's just like, you know, I think the word
demon is more mentioned and the word angel, you know,
or God. But anyway, so there's like a big uh.
The only way to reconcile that you have to say, Okay, well,
God's playing the role of Satan, you know, that's there
if it's gonna work. And then you know, you look
at all the end time scenario and the way that
it talks about and you know what about the words,
you know, God will let Satan loose a little season,
you know, in the words God has reins on Satan
and all that, and then the books, you thing where
all they go, oh no, the book are you know,
doesn't mean nothing because not about it, but you know that.
But people took all that stuff out. They didn't want
it was just too briscade. But in the Old Testament
that talks all about you know, the daughters, the fallen angels.
You know, it's in there, how the fallen angels came.
Now you see all these people now on TV, just
like Merzouli and everybody's talking about but they're all talking
to the really just people that are afraid. But it
doesn't really matter because you know Satan works too, you know,
because it's all about over the fear. You know, you
look out the way it's all designed. So you know,
they're religious people are all, oh, yes, there's something wrong.
You know, they fallen angels are back. Because everybody's finally
believing that all these people are being abducted. There's so
many cases going on that you know that it can't
be denied, you know, So it's all finally coming out
where the religious people are. But they're still clinging to
the thing that you know, that's not God. God is
gonna come and clean house, get rid of off fallen angels.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they say that, you know, they don't. That's not
how what God does. God doesn't take away your free will.
God doesn't have the right, you know, because that's breaking
laws and all that, you know. But anyway, after I
was visited these aliens, they would like speak in the
dreams and they would they would like mix the radio
on all night and the TV. I was just so
freaked out. Anyway, so I started out I was I'd
be reading the Bible because I would just kind of
a sudden, I picked up this one. It's just the
New Testament. It's called the Way Home, just like this
little printing. It was just nothing but the New Testament. Anyways,
I would read a little bit out of the Bible
each night. When I was reading it, it would be
like I felt like it was speaking right to me
to start underlining all these verses. It's kind of like
some spirit it was in me that it wasn't really me,
it was taking me on this path. But anyway, so
I was reading the Apostle Paul and Collutions, you know.
But that went on for like a few nights, and
I would be like reading a certain amount each night,
and right, all of a sudden, I'm in collautions right
and right at that part remember the late night next
thing you know that these aliens do like a I
go to sleep and I have this super real vision
of like taking off the roof of this building complex
that resembles like a body, a body with like a
right arm held up and the head like a square
two squares, but resemble like a sacrificial alter. It's like
these little cut corners, like you remember the old sacrificial alters.
They would have square, they'd be these old horns each corner.
It starts out, I'm just laying bad. I know, I
was laying in bed, and it's like a super real
vision of imagine that you're like looking out at the
bottom of like a helicopter or a flying saucer or
something that's just moving really slowly off of a pad.
All of a sudden, your field of vision is just
you're right there a foot off the ground or two
feet or whatever. And then as it raises up, this
whole building complex slowly comes into view. You know, it
would be like three dimensions you see it. Everything appear
like on the peripherial it looks like a hedge over
there these other little buildings, and there's like little corner
blocks on all these little, some tight buildings, and I
went like, wow, where is it. I kind of thought
it was some building complex. I didn't really know at first,
But anyway, then the whole picture things like blove and stops.
It just was up like a little ways up and
then it starts over again, as if to say, you know,
get ready, you're not ready for the whole picture, yet
we're going to do it. It goes up again, and
then it just going higher and hire and all of
a sudden looking down and go like building down there,
and all in my mind I try to remember what
it looked like, and later on it figured out it
was like a body, and I took off the roof
of the head that was like a square. And then
it just goes all of a sudden, it goes like whoo,
just goes up up up faster and fast, and I'm
not super fast, but anyway, prey, soon you see all
these like grid like imagine that whole building would have
just been on one city block, and pretty soon there's
like all these other city blocks appearing, but every one
of them was like a fluorescent orange, like a little
fluorescent orange cube inside it, and everything else looked like
city streets. Like imagine you're looking down on a city
and all the everything was like just cut up into
this big grid pattern. To see the grid gave like
a three dimensional view, right, It gave you like the
feeling of movement, you know, like depth, and it's like
one of these video games where anyway, So then the
whole thing just goes way up and I'm pretty soon
I couldn't even see the building down there anymore that
I took off of, and the whole thing kind of
goes like roof and just like stops the way that
you'd feel like an elevator stop. Have that light you're
like in your chest, like well, then all of a sudden,
it just remaining from a moment, and then then it
starts going sideways to the south, and you can see
everything moving the way that you would be on an airplane.
You see everything kind of moving slowly. When you look
out the window, you go wow, but you can't really
feel that you're moving, but you see it. I can
see the grid like slowly moving, and then it starts
going faster and just goes like whoa. Then all of
a sudden, it just goes like whoa. Everything is like
a sling shot. And you just had that feeling like
they just did this virtual reality saucer ride and just
super vivid dream. But I knew I was laying on
my bed because I remember I was laying face down
on the pillow. And then that later that night, that
is being what they would kind of come off and
on that music was playing and they would like put
me in this regression where I was crying. I'm crying,
you have right there, you know, kind of like pat
me on the chest and on my legs. You know,
you're good, You're good. Kind of they revert me back
like a little infant out of your feet up position
like crying. And it was weird. They can like dig
out stuff out of your minds. It's like they just
they know everything about you.
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Speaker 1: I didn't really think I was crazy until it took
a while. Even then, I didn't think about all the
stuff they were doing they were. See. The thing is
when you come and call your just fight and you're
like traumatized, I think it's kind of kind of a
perfect entrance for them because you're going to face that anyway.
And I think that's what I was like going through
when I was like a baby or something. And then anyways,
then I thought they were like they were making me
like fantasized about different girls I liked. I mean, I
was just and then I thought they were like using
me for extrag and sperm. Then I remember one time
I asked him my father, and I had this thought
that all life is precious. I mean, I just had
this feeling like, you know, they can plant the thought
in your head this is what happened, you know, even
though they don't let you remember it. One time I
was I felt I was crying. You know, I'm just
a Now I don't know, I remember I ate like
the bean and onion sandwiches that night, and I remember
I had cutting really bad, like gas, and I thought,
my god, I felt like I was rude. That they're
probably thinking I'm just the rude. I just kind of
felt like, well, heal, I am being abducted, that you
just feel like emparrassed everything. I was so weird. Is
it all happened when? And when they first came. I
remember I would I was really scared and it was
like a knife. I was thinking there was a knife
land by the bed, and I kind of thought, well,
I should hide this knife because somebody might think I
would want to use it. You know, the different things
that were weird when they first I had the spiral
feeling and I'll be closing. I closed my eyes and
they'd be like this gray in my eyes and would
be turning its blue like spatter and these waves in
your eyes. And I remember it would be getting blue.
It would kind of move and would it would get
really bright blue, and I finally would just get really
bright blue, like a spattering in your eyes. And the
first that was happening, and then I feel like I
was like fluttering. And I remember one time I would.
I imagine in my mind there was like one taller
one that I called G's then those five like shorter
ones of standing by that we're filming, like having sympathy
on me. And they said they came like on three
like successive nights, and they there's this being with you know, saying,
you know, we want to help you. You know, we're
instilled this super love that you know, we love you,
and we you just could feel they're just by your side.
They take songs off the radio and I'd be like,
you know, they create a dream and then song that's
playing on the radio will speak to what is in
the dream, you know. Then they can like enhance these
feelings of you know, extreme joy and love. And so
they're like doing stuff where they're glorifying me, and it
was just too maad, you gotta be kidding. I just,
you know, how could how could this be me? How
could I be? You know, because I just felt like nobody.
I just thought this is crazy, Like you know, I
thought they must be like doing this people all down
the coast or something. I just can't believe that would
they do just to me. And I kind of felt
like away because I just had like a really like
little self esteem. And if you're like a negative person
and you don't interact weird, you know, people are always
like poking at you know, then you know I would
I would snap back. It's kind of like you're overly defensive.
And so I somehow like had a real I wasn't
your average favorite person, and I was kind of like
I was kind of an asshole. But just by acting
weird and then like overreacting, you're being paranoid, thinking everybody
thinks you're a dork. So I used to work at
the Red Vice door. I always kind of thought, why
is everybody hate me? I find realized I must act
like a jerk. Away said that they just were porn
on all this kind of suf this is got it.
I just couldn't believe it that, you know, this was
happening anyways. And then I was just like really mad
at my parents. My dad was kind of like alcoholic,
and he just because he didn't have a job, and
he kind of would take it out on you know,
people that don't have their trip together, they kind of
become you know, and I wasn't much better. But yeah,
so it's kind of like everybody was just functional, you know,
as big as as hard. My dad, you know'd live
having twelve kids and trying to raise the family. And
that's how he realized, you know, everybody has their own
issues they got to deal with. So then a lot
of stuff happened. But so anyway, yeah, one time there
I was the being is going, you're angry with me.
I go, why why? Because all this is said in telepathy, right,
it's just in your head. They're just saying, you know,
you're angry with me. I go why? And then the
thought comes because we tricked you, And I had this
feeling like, wow, yeah, you're right he tricked me because
you know here you got here. These guys are coming
out of thin air. It was kind of like my
father in a sense, but it wasn't my father, but
to my father had been dad since for a couple
of years. He died in nineteen eighty nine, and these
aliens came nineteen ninety three. My dad had cancer from
smoking and he got throat cancer and they ended up
committing suicide over at the coast. You like, brains out
with a dull bell shotgun. Yeah, but that's what happened.
Yet he didn't want to go through. He knew it
was like terminal, you know, you cop sought off shotgun
in your mouth, you know, because you can reach the
trigger obviously, because he had one. Yeah, and then somebody
found him floating out in the ocean. But anyway, he
had been dead since nineteen eighty nine. Anyway, said it's
being we tricked you. Then I had this film like, well, yeah,
I'm going like, you know, I have power over you guys.
You guys tricked me. I should be pissed. Right when
I said, and I go, oh, okay, well we're even.
Right when I said we're even, all of a sudden,
the thunder goes because the lightning flash a little bit
before that, you know, the light the thunder will hit
a little bit after. Right when I said, okay, we're even.
And then right when I said that, the thunder just
went boom. And I just went like a just just
like super scared. I realized later they can make you
feel the fear, you know. I mean they can like
crank it every one of the things they can do.
They can put it max mode, you know, or medium mode,
just like that when they do the full body bathing trip.
Because later on they did you know, going through so
much stuff. They would make me like real live being abducted.
And even though I never had an actual you know,
like a lot of people say, oh yeah, the UFO
came outside and I never saw it. They did it
all in like virtual reality and these super real dreams.
It's like they can just take everything and create it,
all the dreams that are so real that you don't
need reality. Then they can enhance all the everything, you know,
the emotions. Later they would give me these dreams where
they would usually do it when I was like really
just scared. They would do it as a way of saying,
you know, hey, you know, face the fear and experience it.
So they just make if you had a really scary day,
they would make you have it, face it that night
and say, Okay, we're just going to keep on pouring
and on until you just work it out out and
work it over you over. Yeah. So they they can
do the three different variations of the buzzing. Later on
they would do like they can do a real slow
like undulation one, or a medium like or a high
one where you're just going like ah, that's amazing. The
whole the whole thing is just because I asked them,
I said, you know, come back, you know, show me more.
You know a lot of people say, you know that
when people if you tell them you know, I want
I don't want you to mess with me, they will leave.
In my case, I said, I'm not afraid. I when
I had the dreams of being abducted, I was. I
would say, no, I'm not afraid.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It was one time I went to the library over
the coast. I would go to every library, every bookstore
trying to find anything about UFO. Fell there UFO magazine
where it has that picture of the craft down the
hill where the logs are all stacked up. I got
the UFO magazine the library and gave me the Billy
Meyer UFO magazine. I couln't believe it. I'd be looking
for the other book. I found the Edius ef Or
book about abductions. Now I was just searching everywhere, but
she gave me that. I brought that book home and
just a UFO magazine anyway. So then that night I
have this dream where I am on that hill in
that scene of the next little logs picture, and there's
I have this feeling like my body's going whoo. And
then all of a sudden, this world it's like a whirlwind,
like just took me right right there. You just feel
my whole body're like whoa, they created a dream of
literally oh that picture that I got a photo in
this super real dream. And then I'm being like taken.
I'm like talking to them, take me. I'm not afraid.
I'm not afraid. I want to be taken. And then
I just feel like I'm being taken up in a whirlwind.
And then all of a sudden, my whole body is
like mobilized, laying on the I knew I was laying
on my bad. I'm just going. I'm going. And then
I clinched one of my hands and then right when
I clench it, if I couldn't move. Right when I
clinched it, everything goes like whoa, just stop. And then
I hear this like crack behind the TV. I think
that's when the poultry guys first came and I went like, wow,
what's that a loud crack behind the TV. Because that's
when it first like finally started breakout where they were
coming out of my dreams into it kind of blew
me away, like oh my god, now they're like doing
stuff during the day because they never used to do
stuff during the day before. And then that's kind of
the turning point. This went on for a couple of years,
whether they were speaking where. Then they started throwing me
these images. I call them remote pieces of your literally
they type pieces of your memory, throw them into your
in your mind's eye. All of a sudden, you have
this flash like, wow, why did I see that from
the way back? When all of a sudden just pop
in there and out of nowhere, because it just comes
out of blue and you know it's not you that.
Then I finally realized, my god, that's them. They're like
taking these little memories of mine. Finally was able to
figure out what they're doing. And then you study what
is in that scene, and then it's like speaking in
a metaphork way, like you know, that's you using different themes,
but they're all basic themes, you know, the waters life.
They show me the scene when I was like selling seeds,
when I was like a little kid in first grade,
I was you buy these seeds in the back of
a comic book. You try to sell them, and you
get a prize, like you know, you want a fishing
pole bicycles, and remember I just only sold a few.
They show me the image of like when I was
trying to sell seeds or when I was selling lemonade
outside of the road. But what they're saying is you
know you're planting, that is you. So they throw me
different images of h Now, anyway, that's most I wrote down.
I have so many images that take too long to
explain this why I would have to write it and
have it on a link or something, because I couldn't
talk about it at all. Some of them are just amazing.
They know everything going back, and they can isolate different
and they can flip through everything and say, oh, and
sometimes I couldn't figure out the heck of Matt. And
then later they would throw it again as if to say, no,
you didn't get it. And then sometimes they would literally
come right out and you'd hear the thought, just this
is what it means. Yeah. Then they did this other
really super real dream of the remember that engine astronaut
you see it on the tomb lid, the one where
the guys looks like he's sit in a chair, And
they did that. Why it was super real dream where
there's the split fire bark Plug things going like flash
revel and that I saw that. I was so blown away.
I just I regarded everything as like, you know, just important.
But then I realized later, you know, they could just
do this forever. You know, I just wrote everything down
for like four or five years. They did like three
or four five really exciting like abduction dreams. We always
see lights in the sky. You have these dreams where
you know, everybody's down in the field and we're walking.
You're saying, wow, look at that, and you're yelling at people.
You know, it's the dream would start like you know,
people are partying. Then it would turn in you know,
there's a ufl in this guy. But the dreams are
so real it's you know, it just was amazing, man.
So what happened was I got kind of myself. But
so then his brother Camping guy kept ranting on about
you know, christ can return nineteen ninety four. I would
listen to open Form and you could never phone in
and give your opinion against the guy would like hog
the host, Brother Camping, he would like do all the talking.
He would just shut the people down that we're trying
to say. Yeah, I think kind of like and he
would not back down that UFOs are not God. There
were demons, and I used to just get really mad
at this guy. Like I guess the aliens instilled in me,
like kept speaking and they kind of convinced me in
my dreams and say I ended up sending like twelve
thousand letters to churches all over the US. I get
it right about nineteen ninety four, at the beginning of
the Feast of Harvests, like mid September nineteen ninety four,
and that was it. Brother camping is a prophecy that
you know, this is going to be in the day,
you know, Christ can return. Aliens convinced me like wow,
you know, because I was just mad. I had this
anger anyway from you know, just like a mad kid
when I was younger, and you know, mad at my
mom and dad, you know, because I kind of had
a falling out with them. We had a big family
and anyway, so I kind of had that desire to
like attack authority, you know. But the aliens kind of
they knew me, like and they said, yeah, we want
you to tell them that you know we are we
are God, and I should the visions they gave me
anyway that at one point when they came they said,
I said, how did you get here? You know where?
How did you get here? And they showed me these
three visions that one of them was like a right
right angle, was like a little door that was moving
and anyway. They said, you know, we're people in a
parallel world. And then the other one was like a
circle with a line down the middle with people on
either side that it looked like people walking in the
park that had just gotten out of church. I thought,
you know, it's kind of like they're dressing their Sunday
best from the nineteen twenties, guys had the top hats
and they he's feather hat here maybe from the eighteen nineties,
like one of the old paintings you see people dressed
up with his picture. There was like a mirror image
on either side of this line of people that were
like strolling in the park, and I just kind of seen, oh,
they got a church, you know, they're strolling in the
park and dressed in their Sunday best. And so that
vision happened after that. One of the right angle, the
one with the right angle, was two rectangles connected at
the right angle. That whole spiral spiral thing I got
all into that that you know, the Golden means spiral
has the secret tangle holds the formula for the Golden mean.
You know how the rectangle just keeps on going up
down to infinity. There's like a square and rectangle square,
and then the man who brought set and all that,
all that stuff seen in nature. Anybody posted a link
about the sacred numbers, Yeah, then one forty four and
all these numbers hold that all those numbers are actually
in the Bible numerology. It all ties into the nature
of the universe. Remember I told you they could throw
these remote images in my mind like boom, just pop
them in it. A long time ago, when I was younger,
I was over I was insemities, sitting on a log
reading a book called The Nature of the Universe, and
it's like it's just like a big long cut log.
And I remember I was reading that book by Doyle
or something, in the Nature of the Universe. I was like,
you know, really young man like teens, And they threw
that image because they can go back different places in
your life and they'll pick different times when you were
in different settings, like when I was in a semity
or when I was skiing, when I was doing that
or that, and they will pick out all these scenes
that are speaking metaphoric way, and they will like throw
them to you and you go like wow wow. So
they threw them the image where I sat on that
log and read that book Nature of the Universe, and
it means and I used the idea of to harvest.
They throw the other scenes of like when I saw
a sickle in a tree, you know, stuck in his
tree up on the mountain. I didn't know, what the heck?
Can they throw me a picture of a sickle grown
into a tree? You know? Another time I saw a
picture of the throw men image of the sickle that
was sticking out of a barn, a whole not whole
of a barn. When I used to drive by this
one old barn. I thought why And they throw me
that picture of a sickle sticking out of a barn.
You know that, you know you finally realize, okay, that
means to harvest. And it's another idea is the idea
of the right angle. Remember I said, I asked, how
did you get here? And they showed me the two
rectangles connected at a right angle. It was like this
little flap like a hinging right at this center of
where the two came together. This little flap is moved
and slightly back and forth like it was blown in
the wind, you know. So if the flap was shut
all the way and then we so they're saying, you know,
we were popping in exposed the other universe intersection. I
at a right angle, I think because I was watching
one video, but then the spiral also has something to
do with and I think the way that they're if
when I first asked how did you get here? They
I thought I saw it spinning in a two. It
was like super vague. It's just like almost like a
feeling like wow. So then first I saw that three
things first that then the right angle, but that right
angle two rectangles at right angle were returning really slowly,
like counterclockwise. And then I last like five seconds like
a boom that went out. Then the one with the
wall looking down the wall, seeing people on either side,
because that was the biggest heavy decisions. When I said,
you know, how where how did you get here? Is
that's when the beam was in the room speaking to me.
Those were the first three nights thinking they came out
three successive nights, and they in the second night they
I remembered this dream. I didn't remember until mid morning.
I walked through the three levels of this temple, and
I walked with like these three father different father figures.
The first father figure was my boss from the Red
Valley store. He like led me up to it's like
a big plaza that well, the first plaza was a
big grass field and a big rectangle, but then we
were over the right, it was like stairs and you look, Oh,
it's like a big look at big football field. But
then we're on the right, there's like these empty planet boxes,
like square planet boxes, and I kind of like, wow,
there's no plant in them. I kind of thought that's weird.
And then the stairs kind of reminded me of the
stairs at the courthouse and Yukaya where we live. You know,
well there's a nearby town. They would take different things
that you knew and they would implant them in the dream. Right,
so like wow, it's kind of like the courthouse steps.
You know, we're walking up these steps and then then
the next level a rectangle pool. My first father figured
that was walking with me, hold my hand and said, well,
walk constant might just hold my hand. And then we
walked up to the pool and there's seven pillars around
the pool I met, but at the one end of
the pool it's like a rock waterfall with all these
water kind of like splashing down. You'd kind of think
and in the pool looks like a piece of mirror,
and you kind of think, wow, how's that pool like
a piece of glass? And that water splashing down there
is It didn't make sense right then. I thought there
was like a little lily pad in the center of
that pool. But anyway, so then there's like seven pillars
around the pool except for the eighth one would have
been where the waterfall was. Right, So imagine rectangle with
a pillar at each corner and then a pillar in between,
except for the eighth one. They was then the number seven.
There's like another heavy number. And I remember brother Camping,
we're talking about seven is the number of wisdom. The
seven is like this special number of wisdom. They then
the guy that let's go in my hand. You kind
of goes like look up there, and I kind of
look up and they like this Perdre's all these steps.
You're looking up a pyramid and I'm going like wow.
And then and then right when I look up, there's
like this red carpet comes rolling down the steps. But
then I look at it. I look at the carpets
about there are three quarters the way down or halfway
down or is coming down. And then I look, I
go what. I look at the leading end to the carpet, thinking,
you know, it's rolling, but then it kind of looks
like it's like blood, like rolling like drooping down, kind
of the way a movie theater has the drapes and
the curtains kind of go like move and they just
like drop. They just look like they're they're not rolling,
They're just look like they're just like flowing. They just go.
And I kind of went like, oh my god, it
looks like blood. Right right when I thought it looks
like blood and the red carpet coming down the steps,
I just like panic. Now got scared. And next thing
and know, all of a sudden, I was like stand outside,
not standing at this table. I don't remember walking up
those steps, and I was standing behind. I'm looking at
these chairs. There's three chairs, one middle, one on the right,
one on the left, and then there's another father figure
was there. But anyway, this father figure was a different guy.
He's like this tall guy that used to be the
dad of this girl I liked out of the road
valley store. I used to work with their dad. I remember,
was like really serious, had a real solemn. He's like
in a white robe. But anyway, he goes, yes, sit down.
I sit on his vice right. He sits in the
middle the on the left, but his chair was like
taller than mine on the left. There's not there's nothing there.
I think. I don't even think there was a chair there.
There's three candlesticks on the table, and I kind of thought, oh,
why is there nothing that consumed unbalanced? I caught Oh, okay,
that must be the holy ghost or something. You know.
I guess there is a number three. They came on
three nights also because the number three suppose he means trinitina.
My father's not only ghosts. And it was like because
I learned all the numerology when I listen to go
brother camping. Yeah, there's three chairs anyway, so then there's
like three cattle sticks. I remember the candles like super bright.
They're going like whoo, just like moving super like slow.
You know, there's everything was just super bright. And then
there's this goblet. I remember at one point I looked
at the goblet and there was like a like a
shott of light. When you know you turn like pull
a gob bles certain way, all of a sudden, the
light well just like shoot out and reflect out of it.
I thought I saw like a jewel crystal gl like
boom and shoot a purple light at me. You know.
At one point that I looked at the gobblet, I
remember he kind of like motioned, you know, hear drink
of it or something, but I don't remember drinking it.
Then there's like a little book sitting sideways on the table,
and I remember the chair. It was like real soft.
It's like one of these kind of chairs you sit
in and like air and then you're like slowly go
like the air like bleeds out or something, and the
foam just like melts into you know, the shape, and
it's like one of those kind of chairs. I'm just
checking out the chair like, and it kind of reminded
me of the chair that was actually in our office
or my brother that they had put the winery. I
caught that. Wow, it's got the nice oak and everything
that I remember. The seat was like sleaper Chrissy. When
I sat in, anybody sat there a moment, and then
the guy we're just real solemn, didn't say nothing. And
then all of a sudden I get somehow I got up,
and then all of a sudden, my dad is there,
the next fill figure, and he goes, yeah, we're going
for a tour, because my dad used to give people
a tour, you know, on holidays, and they go up
hunting mushrooms and my dad all hyped up, you know,
you get all like he had a good Cebuary and
I really like guests and talk party and he's kind
of wild.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 1: He was kind of worked at the Mansion State Hospital
and they were like taking LSD when l he first
came out, you know, all these doctors that were out
of you know, like the Sandos LSD. And yeah, he's
just his wild me smoking pot and you know, hot
hash and so you know, bet too much of that
party and can mess you up. But anyway, so then
all of a sudden, my dad is like, yeah, we're
going for for a tour, you know, and we're taking
a tour. And I turned to the right and get up.
Then so that fire figure is gone, anyway, So then
all of a sudden we turned. I turned the right
and then I'm looking off a balcony like down to
where we from. I go like, I had this feeling,
like you know, you have the film you get when
you stand on a cliff and you go, oh, that's
way down here. And then there's like two planner boxes
up on the edge of that dalcon. I thought, wow,
there's two more planner box up here, but you know,
there's no plants in them. That was kind of weird.
There was a planet boxes down there and also on
the bottom level. I kind of thought later that meant
you know that you are going to be planted eventually
because the square, see the idea of the cross and
the right angle, the square that's four that both were
two world's meat. It's the right angle, you know. So
then he say, oh, Chris, it's on the cross. That's
right where the two worlds meet, you know. But anyway,
so then the square is like that means universality. I
learned all the numerology from that brother Capping guy. Supposed
he too means church because you know they said that
pulses went out two by two when you witness the
thing about witness. Thing is you witness to another person,
And I think that's similar with the secret acide they have,
like the door with the pillars on either side of
the entrance. It talks about the two angels that guarded
the gate gardener eating their different stories like that. There's
number two has to do with the two guardians of
an entrance. Bible that brother Camping was always into the
number two. Yeah too means church. You know. He just
take different cases where they talk about number two saving
the oil for the wedding fees. And they always use
different numbers. Yeah, a different story. I can't remember the
while that they always use new numbers. I turn around,
my dad goes, yeah, come on, we're going out for
a walk. And we go walking down past this little church.
Is a guy on the right. He goes, hey, how's
it going now. My Dad's yeah, we're going out take
a tour. And it's kind of like, you know, this
is my third father figure on this journey and I
was following him, and the next thing I know it
it's like in the Central Valley, we're kneeling down.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: In the Central Value they have these peripheral canals that
feed the water into the road, and there's like a
little stiphon hose that you you dip into the main
canal and then you dip it over this little mound
into the rose and then the water fills the rose up. Anyway,
so the guy goes, come on show, I'll show you.
I did you take this hose? You put it in
the road, and then and I did it. I remember
I put the hose, feeling like I'm like whoa from
right when I put the water in the when he
told me, you know, that's how you do it. You
put the hose from the main canal into the the
right can feel this feeling like whoa, like turbulence, And
I went like, wow, I can feel it sucking. I
remember saying that. And then I remember looking out the
row and it was just like a silver sword. You
could just see it look like shimmering, you know, the
way the water would go a way out the road,
and when the sun is just right, it looked like
mercury just going like this, you know, like a pointed sword.
And I kind of had that feeling like wow, it
looks like a like a sword just going out there,
you know. Then I kind of thought that was a
big heavy symbol. Anyways, then all of a sudden, look
up and the guy is like left, and I thought
that was my dad, but I didn't really think. I
don't know, he's kind of like he was just gone.
I didn't really think it was him anymore. And I
went like, wow, you know, wait, and I had this
feeling like, you know, wait for me, and I went
run after him. And next thing I know, I had
this feeling like I'm standing behind a crowd of people
that were like in wet white robes. They're all I
see him at the corner of this block of a
field and he's like waving a he's like up on
a pallet. He's a higher and he's waving like a
stick across the field, kind of like as that's just
suggest you know, this will be harvested, you know what
I mean. Can imagine standing at the corner of the
field waving like a waving this stick. I was at
the back of this pack of people. It's like I
had a graduation and they're all standing there and he's
waving this ride out in the field saying it's always
going to be harvested. It's like in the Central Valley
That's how I had that feeling at first when we
were putting the water, and that was that story.
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Speaker 1: But then later they threw another scene that I remember
where I was over lakeman see, you know, and the
same thing. I was standing out at the parking lot
where everything looks out over the water, where you know,
you could look out over the water, and the same
kind of scene was happening where there's all these people
dressed in graduation and the guys standing at the edge
of the lake and waving the stick and seeing this
and he's you look way out in the lake surface
like there was like a city of floating lily pads,
where these towers going like way in the sky like
a giant looked like giant Christian fish symbols, but way
more skinny that were so high that you see him
sticking out of the top of the clouds. Everything was
like this pink orange pink just over the lake. And
then you could barely see out in the lake. It
looked like giant, massive floating lily pads with these massive
towers and all you can see is just the top
of them, kind of like giant double crescent moons. I said,
then that was the walk with God thing. I wrote
it all down to a picture, had numbers that signified
all the different factors. I think those empty planet boxes
in that walk was on the lower level when it
was on the balcony of the pyramid level that I
think that there was two on the lower level, two
on the upper level. It's a number two I think
has to do with the witness because of that man
of Church. They used all these numbers in the whole thing.
I think that meant since there was no plant and
I always thought, why is there nothing in those boxes?
You no plant. It's just like when I took off
on a sausaer ride that there was a square roof
too concentric squares, but it was like a alter. Another
thing is that when that saucer ride took off, it
was like a pillar. It went straight up, like whoa.
So that you can say, okay, that imagine a UFO
going straight up and then stopping that that's like a
pillar of wisdom, you know, you can say. Anyway, I
just look at all the factors and I try to
see the symbology and everything they did. Anyway, so what happened.
I sent all these letters out to the churches and
I went I even had to go to sacramental libraries.
I couldn't find enough addresses, and you kind the library,
and we dug through like every book of every church.
And I also sent it to UFO groups, every kind
of science, everything I could. I was trying to get
twelve thousand done because I spent like seven thousand bucks.
You know, there's not that much considering. I just felt like, Wow,
this is so important, you know, I just got to
you know, God wants me to tell the churches because
like I was, I had money saved and I wasn't
super poor. But I wasn't super rich at that time either.
That you know, I had my I sold a lot
over in Lake County for forty five hundred bucks and
I paid only five thousands, really cheap. You know Lake County.
It was there still is really man you could get
sheep lots. I sold that to help finance that. Oh yeah,
another time I was over there on Lake Mets. You know,
I forgot tell you that. When I was made us
selled a lot and go there. I was standing on
the edge of like Mansino and kind of like a trance,
just sitting there waiting for this guy to show up
on Catamoound. He was going to give me a ride
or something, but I was going to go to like count.
Out of the corner of my eye, my left eye
at purple alien's head. I saw what it looked like
a dome of a head. Somebody took two colors of
purple dark and light purple and was mixing it in
a pot like spinning. You know, you can see the
two colors like twisting. I saw it first and then
slowly I see it looks like a bulboush head pier
and then it drops down right to the eyes to
write about where the nose would be. And I see
these two eyes looking at me, and it kind of
looks like my eyes. I go what And I thought,
I go, what is that like my alien son or something?
And cause my eyes are kind of like narrow, I
kind of when I know my eyes looked like the lady.
I realized, Wow, that's me. And then I kind of
thought what it meant was that was my passion for
the cause, for the allience. Because when I'm looking out
over the lake, they use the idea of Lake Medicino
the body of water as water is life water, and
they just created all this stuff around this lake Mennicina,
this body of water. So I'm out looking over the lake.
But anyway, it's not a letter to all these churches,
all the paranormal groups, science groups, like astronomy groups. I
went like different universities and like the religion areas of
different major you know where their teacher religion and big
fancy university you know, I college is. I tried to
like hit every person that thought they were like had
it all figured out, like oh yeah, we're you know
you go to the seminary. Yeah, we're studying the Bible.
We know, we know who God is, we know the mystery,
and you know all these people they're just so locked
in there. Two of the amazing things, remember I told
you that they throw these real remote images. And one
of the most amazing ones was when I was in
grade school, the teacher's book, the Red Letter, the history book.
And for some reason, when she passed, she passed out
of books. She didn't know that somebody had her teacher's copy.
It has all the answers on every page is written.
You know, there's the answer for this. You know this course.
You know this is when you give the students, you know,
test and then the teacher has all the answers. Maybe
somehow I had that book. I didn't realize that until
just by accident, I said, like way later in the year,
I said, yeah, how come my book has all the
read writing in it. It's like and then all of
a sudden she realized, oh, you got my book. You know,
I had the teacher's edition had all the answers. So anyway,
this like in like fifth or sixth grade or something,
that Mary said, they can the aliens throw me that
image when I was there and that teacher said, you
have the Teacher's Edition, and you know, like you got
to answers and so as I'm saying that, that was
a heavy one and I went like, oh my god, okay,
and you know, it's like the mystery that nobody knows.
And then another one that really was a scene that
was amazing was I we used to go to the
church up by the park when I was a kid,
had a egg corn and it was like a balcony
or the organ player play up up in the balcony,
and then sometimes people go up this little stairway in
the back where you first go in the church, and
you go up in the balcony. You look down you
see all the people, you know, and I member, I
was up there and I was like a little kids
just hanging out through the railing of the balcony and
I dropped the egg corn by accident and it went
like boom on the ground. I remember, right when everything
was really silent. I thought, oh my god, and like
people kind looked like what was that, you know, and
I just you know, sometimes in the church is really silent,
then then the aliens, so they threw me that image,
like you know, you drop the bomb on the on
the church, and oh, well that's the heavy that's a
heavy one. And yeah, so they can like see everything.
Even though I hadn't remembered that in years, they'll go, yeah,
I remember that, and they can just pick it out
and say that's that's you. And one other thing I'll
tell you really quick. When I was really way younger,
I had a watch and we went we used to
swim away up on it in the mountains, on this
in this lake up in Pine Mountain, up by willets,
and we were kids, like not even like in early teens,
and we ride motorcycles up there. And I remember I
had this watch out from my got my she was
actually my fairy godmother, my dad's sister. She gave me
his watch, and I remember it was on this rock
out in the middle lake. So I took it off
to go swimming, and I remember it slid off the
rock and he went into the water. It was I
never could find it anyway. So they throw me that
scene and what it means miss missing time. I kind
of thought, what the heck is you know that's supposed
to mean? And said I mean missing time. And then
another time that throwing my watch when we were building
your and look for me that one okay missing time,
so that you know they use okay. Then the time
I worked for your David Rate York Factory and Hoppman.
David Rate's sister is actually Bonnie Rap. You know if
you heard Bonnie Rate, she became pretty famous singer about anymore.
But anyway, David Rate ran this York factory and I
remember when I first went to work there. This was
like right about when my dad died. I remember that
he had like a stairway that walked up to the
upper level of the year. It was kind of like
a UFO would have a not exactly, but you go
up and then to the right. I remember I walked
in there the first day and he like shook my hand.
He goes welcome aboard, and he shook my hand, you know,
the or just shaped like a saucer away. So the
aliens throw me that image like welcome aboard, like you
know you're working for us now, right, So I remember
I said how they can take images and throw them
and say, you know that is you were. Then in
the York Factory, there was this one machine called the
Blue Comet, like his prosker saw. It's like really big
powerful what you pull the cut, then they throw me
image of that like you know boot comment you're in
outer space now or something. Yeah, they just they just
see everything they can. They can see everything you ever did,
and then they make a big you know, they throw
you the scenes and they say, yeah, you're part of
our group, trying to you know, tell the people or something.
An I gotta go back to. I just wanted to
get those out because they have the highlight the remote image.
Gave all the letters to the post office and got
a lot of weird letters back saying, you know you're
dealing with that is not God. You know, that's satan
that God does not I got this one really good letter.
Speaker 2: I have it.
Speaker 1: I'll have it on the have. Some guy from South
America was visited by a being in his dad's How
at his dad's house being that was the tall he goes,
their eyes were too big like this. You know, he
drew this picture of this being. So I did get
one really good letter back from It's like a guy
that knew a UFO group that was all blown away
by being visited by some being anyway, I got that
letter anyways, So then that they're still in contact with me,
and they kind of like mentor me, and they's it's
kind of like this other little voice says, you know,
you know, stay away from those if you know you're
having trouble with certain people or another thing. I went
to the monastery and I that's a long time ago.
I told them, yeah, the aliens, they didn't believe it
was God. And then later that night I see like
an image of like, you know, the onion dome they have.
It's like this old Catholic monastery Byzantine. They have those
big gold onion domes. I see this image of like
a fist with like a middle finger like uh, sticking
out like f you you know, like the onion domes
saying no, we're not gonna we don't buy that, and say, yeah,
they can like create these little skits in your dreams
that speak. You know. Some some people say the other
intelligence is artificial. You know, at first, I always thought
it was a you know, an actual person or a
combination of a couplele that. Now that people are saying, oh,
it's all artificial intelligence is capable of all this, you know,
it's amazing anyway, So that's why I tried. I don't
know if anybody believed. So Brother Camping finally ended up dying,
you know, in the mid or two thousand. I got
a few other letters. There are a lot of letters
back to people asking for you know, police, support, our ministry.
Everybody just wants you to send him money. He's like,
it's like, what it's like, you don't believe that. They
don't even want to hear your you know. I got
some letters saying, you know, I feel very sorry for you.
You're please do not you know, underline it, do not
ever write me again, sign a follower of Jesus rised.
And then there's like no no return on the envelope,
Like okay, obviously I can get it right again. I
don't know who you are, you know. Anyways, I got
a few kind of really letters, but mostly people didn't reply.
Oh yeah, one really good one. For like three different nights,
one night I would wake up and right and I
would wake up, I'd look out the window. I'd see
the sun just crusting the hill, the mountaintop, and then
this thought and then I they did three different things.
They did a waves, a particle, and they'd say the
sun is rising, and then I'd see that, I'd feel
like there's I'd see that these waves kind of like
the way you'd see seaweed on a on a on
a shore, you know, you see seaweed like lapping in
a pool. He's going whoa kind of waves. And then
the next morning they did they said the sun is rising,
and then they then I see what's like a particle
is gonna snowstorm like bombarding, just like kind of like
fere in a snowstorm. It's night and they're just like
bombarding into your face and that. So they did this
on three nights, and they do this exactly. I wake
up exactly and I'd look out the window and the
sun would just be cracking the top of the mountain,
and I hear this thought in my head, the sun
is rising. First they did the ways, and they did
the particles, and then that was pretty amazing. Yeah, Then
later on I had these other really cool visions. One
of them is like a door with two circles. Imagine
like a perfect rectangle with two circles. It's like vision
number nine, and there's like a cross X through each circle,
so that stands for the two worlds are one, because
I mean it represent the rectangle's door and the two
circles represent the witnesses. Then the X, the most ancient
symbol for God, is a circle with a cross through it.
Speaker 3: What I'll do is mark the link you provided me.
I'll put that below the episode in the description. Okay,
so people can go there and read your writings. And
because there is certainly a lot to go over for
people to read, there is quite a few pages. When
you would see the beings, can you describe them all?
Speaker 1: What you know?
Speaker 3: What do they look like?
Speaker 1: I never saw That's the thing is, I never saw gray.
I never saw any beings. Only being I ever saw
was in my mind when they were visiting me. I
just I can imagine that that this is what this
is them stand at the front of my bead. I
was so afraid to open my eyes that I didn't
want to open my eyes. I never saw any being.
But when they first were like monitoring, I would hear
this high pitch beep in my ear. Like other people
have heard say that, it was like it sounds like
someone's taking a tuning fork, you know, then you hit
it and then you move it towards your ear, and
all of a sudden you can hear it go like
so then they can also do this vacuum like woof
sounds like in your head. That's kind of I'm wasn't
sure what that meant that they do that. They do
that a few times, this high pitch ringing would kind
of come kind of like who. But then at first
I didn't really know where that was. And then then
I finally realized it meant like, yes, you know you
are being monitored, We're there. Like early on that I
hear it taught me that I hear on the radio.
I used to listen to religious radio that said you know,
the Father knows all, or you know, God is watching
or something, and right when I would hear that, I
would hear this ring. But I would hear it right
after a really profound insight, and I go, oh my god,
that means they're watching. But at first I would be
hearing that off and on it. I didn't really know
what the heck what man. Anyway, there was like a
stage where I felt like really self conscious, like, oh
my god, you know they're watching, they know everything, you know.
I kind of felt like, you know, I know everything
about me, you know, finally just get over that and
I know everything anyway, because when first they first came,
I was really just blown away. But I felt like
I was just walking into trance. I just felt like
really calm, like wow. I was like really, I tell people, Wow.
I was like, this was by alliens.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: The next day I was driving down San Francisco delivering
some wine. But no big deal. But this is like
the first three nights they come on through successful nights.
I was like working during the day and you know,
because I didn't really work at the winery, then I
kind of once in a while they'd let me do something.
But just by chance, I just happened to be like
driving delivery and wine that day. And it's like I
wasn't even freaked out. I was just somehow you'd think,
you know, i'd be all just freaking out, but I wasn't.
I just felt like I was there's some other spirit
in me that just made me feel like it's all good.
Speaker 3: And did they they ever give you any reason why
they were in contact with you?
Speaker 1: Oh? No, I think it stemmed from they had me
somehow programmed where my mind was a willing participant and
trying to help help them, you know, like get the
churches on the bandwagon. Yes, yes, those are This is
back in nineteen ninety three, right, so there's still a
lot of stuff out there. You know. When the first happened,
I was like so in the dark, about my god,
what is going on. I just tried to find like
everything I could, and I just went to every thrift store,
every books, every library. I just find all these really
obscure books, like older ones like you know, Jeane Dixon
and you know, like kind of like a lot of
weird older New Age writers that channel or like Seth
and all that, and then all these really weird off
the wall ones like the Peter Herkos, the weird photographic
Memory guy, and these weird like crazy ones about it
mind of Billy Milligan, all these really weird ones where
there's like possession people that are like borderline possessed by demon,
you know, you know. But then Maunt Velusky and all
these other stuff going way back into the early nineteen hundreds,
you know, about nineteen or year two thousand, I went online.
I tried to get every old UFO book they have
from the fifties. Remember all those contactiefs like Damn Ski
and Manger and Angel Lucci, Daniel Fryd. Just there was
some really obscure ones, but all those like Major one,
you know, the Key, Oh and all those kind of
older ones. There's like so many of them that there
was like all these really older ones, you know. I
tried to like get all the real classic so I
have a collection. Remember the Jeffrey mitch Lov had that
guy the p K Man, the book originally by the
pee k Man called how to to Space People. That
guy's name, Oh, Ted, isn't it. That's Ted Owens, Yeah, exactly.
I have his original book and had like a faith
on the front with these two the eyes has two
sets of eyes, have like a weird alien or something. Yeah,
Like there's second copies. I actually it's really rare. Now
you got the Silver Bridge, remember the Silver Bridge story
and the moth the moth Man thing. I have original
copy of that, the first edition. So I tried to
collect all these really rares. Luckily they didn't all burn
down because like big fires came through northern California and
a lot of people's houses burned. But where I was living,
all my rare books survived. Yeah, I just became fanatic.
You got to like study a lot, right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're absolutely right. It's there's so much material.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's wonderful.
Speaker 6: Mark.
Speaker 1: I can't get over it. You know, it's been like
thirty years and I always think about it as like
it's just like change.
Speaker 5: Your life exactly.
Speaker 3: And sometimes it can be difficult to say, you know,
over the over the phone. Sometimes it's easier to actually
have it down in writing. And as you know, as
you found out, Mark, I really appreciate you coming on
sharing that for our listeners.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was like kind of all right, thanks so much.
Speaker 3: You did great. Okay, Mark, take care and we will
speak soon. All right, Cla enjoyed the rest of your evening.
Bye now, Mark. That is all for today.
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to Mark for sharing tonight, and as always, thank you
all for listening. I will be back next week. Till then,
stay safe and keep watching the skies. Goodbye, mclude