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Speaker 4: A Welcome to UFO Chronicles a place where people share
Speaker 4: their experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had
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Speaker 4: Hello everyone, wherever you're listening from tonight, welcome. I'm Nick
Speaker 4: Hunter and this is the UFO Chronicles podcast. Tonight's guest
Speaker 4: is Peter, calling from Sydney, austra. His experiences started in
Speaker 4: childhood while living in Lebanon, when he and several other
Speaker 4: children suddenly found themselves frozen on a rooftop as a
Speaker 4: silent egg shaped craft hovered overhead. The moment ended with
Speaker 4: missing time, and years later strange lights began appearing in
Speaker 4: the Australian night sky, and soon after came a terrifying
Speaker 4: bedroom encounter involving paralysis and the presence of unknown beings
Speaker 4: standing beside his bed. Peter is up next, but first,
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Speaker 4: with the show. Hello Peterick, Welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you for giving me the opportunity.
Speaker 4: Thank you, and you're more than welcome and it's great
Speaker 4: to have you join us today. And you're calling from Sydney, Australia.
Speaker 1: That's right, the hardest Sydney Australia.
Speaker 4: The heart wonderful. Okay, Now, Peter, you have some unusual
Speaker 4: experiences that you're going to be sharing with us tonight.
Speaker 4: Would you like start at the beginning, please, sir?
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure. I grew up in Lebanon, on a coastal town.
Speaker 1: It's called check Us spelt Cchuka, and it was on
Speaker 1: the coast. My dad was from that town. My mom
Speaker 1: was from the neighboring town, which was called Unfair, and
Speaker 1: it's a more historical town then, like all sandstone little
Speaker 1: houses and so on. My dad's town was built a
Speaker 1: lot later, you can see the difference. Town was known
Speaker 1: for its fishing and fishermen, and her brother owned a
Speaker 1: fish shop. My dad's town was known for its beaches,
Speaker 1: so I grew up on the coast, spending most of
Speaker 1: my summers as a little kid with my brothers and
Speaker 1: my cousins, you know, down at the beach almost every
Speaker 1: day in summer, and then being brought up on the
Speaker 1: best seafood you can get. Because my uncle had owned
Speaker 1: a fish shop. He'd picked the best part some of
Speaker 1: the best fish for my mum. So we grew up
Speaker 1: running around wild in summer because we'd get three months
Speaker 1: of school off school in summer and you'd do nine
Speaker 1: months of school and then three months off, that was
Speaker 1: back at that time. And then we'd have Friday off,
Speaker 1: but go to school Saturday and then have Sunday, and
Speaker 1: that was Friday was for the Islamic community, and then
Speaker 1: we'd go to school Sunday, so I don't even remember
Speaker 1: if it was half a day as Saturday, sorry, And
Speaker 1: then on Sunday we'd have the day off for the Christians.
Speaker 1: And when we had school holidays it was three months.
Speaker 1: So I remember one particular day. It was the summer's day,
Speaker 1: a sky beautiful, clear, hot day in Lebanone. And when
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm talking like you know, around forty over
Speaker 1: forty degrees and we're playing in the street and there
Speaker 1: was a group of us, me and my friends and
Speaker 1: my cousins. There's probably about seven eight of us running
Speaker 1: around and someone, one of the kids, remember it was
Speaker 1: one of the boys, called out, let's go play on
Speaker 1: the roof across the road, and he named he mentioned
Speaker 1: the family's name, which were which he says in Arabic
Speaker 1: battel AMoD, which is the house of the Moon family,
Speaker 1: And that was their second name. If you translated it,
Speaker 1: it meant moon family. And so everybody started running across
Speaker 1: the road towards the house. We were just across the
Speaker 1: road from it, a straight line right across the road
Speaker 1: through the gate, you know, through the front yard, up
Speaker 1: to the side of the house. As we were running
Speaker 1: towards the gate, I looked behind me and I saw
Speaker 1: my cousin. She was younger than me, probably a year
Speaker 1: and a half or something younger than me, and she
Speaker 1: was running last. So I let her get in front
Speaker 1: of me, and I ran and last. And as we
Speaker 1: went up the stairs got to the top landing, there
Speaker 1: was a security door to get onto the roof. Was
Speaker 1: a metal, solid metal door, and it was built around
Speaker 1: They had a frame built around it, a metal frame,
Speaker 1: so it sat in that frame. It was bolted to
Speaker 1: the brickwork, and then it was at the bottom of
Speaker 1: It was about two three inches off the ground and
Speaker 1: you had to step over it to walk onto the roof.
Speaker 1: And in the past, any time you ran through that door,
Speaker 1: whichever kid in front of you pushed it open, it'd
Speaker 1: swing out. And then it's because of its weight. It
Speaker 1: didn't that I don't think it had a spring on
Speaker 1: it to close it back, but the weight of it
Speaker 1: would swing back to close. So the next kid would
Speaker 1: run out and push the door. So as you ran through,
Speaker 1: one at a time, you'd push the door open, and
Speaker 1: then it'd swing back every time. So as we ran
Speaker 1: as they were running through, I saw like two or
Speaker 1: three of them had already run onto the roof and
Speaker 1: the door stayed open. It didn't close at all. And
Speaker 1: then as my other kids went through, and then I
Speaker 1: saw my little cousin run through, I was afraid for
Speaker 1: her that the door's going to swing towards her and
Speaker 1: knock her out. So I was running right behind. I
Speaker 1: had my arms out in front of me with my
Speaker 1: palms out ready looking at the door, expecting this door
Speaker 1: to hit me. And I ran passed through and it
Speaker 1: didn't move. And as I ran through, I remember looking
Speaker 1: at it, like turning my head and looking at it,
Speaker 1: and it stayed open. It was like some magnetic force
Speaker 1: was holding this door open. So anyway, I stepped onto
Speaker 1: the roof and I've taken my gaze off the door,
Speaker 1: and I look in front of me and I see
Speaker 1: all my friends. Every single one of them that was
Speaker 1: on the roof was frozen like a mannequin in a
Speaker 1: shop window. They weren't moving at all, like dead set statues.
Speaker 1: They were like statues. So I walked up to them
Speaker 1: and I thought, Okay, it must be a game we're playing,
Speaker 1: and I'm in because I'm the last one on the roof.
Speaker 1: So I went up to them and I started tickling them,
Speaker 1: you know, around the waist, around the stomach. But I
Speaker 1: got no reaction whatsoever. And I knew some of them
Speaker 1: were a couple of them were very very ticklish, and
Speaker 1: there's no way they could control, have that much control.
Speaker 1: So I'm tickling them and they're not moving, and I'm
Speaker 1: looking at their eyes trying to see, you know, the
Speaker 1: crows feet their eyes moving or I didn't see that.
Speaker 1: And then when I looked in their eyes, I could
Speaker 1: see It's like they didn't when I look at someone
Speaker 1: in there. I'm talking to them, and you know, you
Speaker 1: can see a glitter, you can see a glow in
Speaker 1: their eye. You can see a reflection, or you can
Speaker 1: see something. I couldn't see that in their eyes. It
Speaker 1: was just like they were blank. They weren't even even there.
Speaker 1: And I moved from one to the other and tried
Speaker 1: to tickle them and you know, try to get a reaction.
Speaker 1: I thought, one of them has to get one. They
Speaker 1: can't all be that good at this game, you know,
Speaker 1: And no one moved. And then I went over to
Speaker 1: this kid who was probably a year and a half,
Speaker 1: two years older than us, and I went to tickle him.
Speaker 1: And as I went to tickle him under the throat,
Speaker 1: I looked up because he was taller than me. I
Speaker 1: went to reach out and I looked up and right
Speaker 1: above us, about thirty meters above us, was this egg
Speaker 1: shaped object, silver in color. It had a window, like
Speaker 1: an oval shaped window at the front, not all over
Speaker 1: the object it was. It covered probably i'd say seventy
Speaker 1: five percent off the front. This isn't the whole object
Speaker 1: sort of glass. It was a metal object. Imagine an
Speaker 1: egg with the pointy side up and tilted at a
Speaker 1: forty five degree angle. And I could see this wing screen,
Speaker 1: dark tinted wing screen like when you turn your TV
Speaker 1: off and it's just a dark tint, but I could
Speaker 1: see inside of it were two figures. I couldn't see features,
Speaker 1: I couldn't see in our colors, but I saw it
Speaker 1: like a silhouette of two very thin, very tall beans
Speaker 1: sitting in this object. And it wasn't It wasn't a helicopter.
Speaker 1: We used to have helicopters regularly, a couple of times
Speaker 1: a week, fly over our town drop propaganda material. As kids,
Speaker 1: we didn't take note it probably couldn't even read what
Speaker 1: was on the paperwork, but we liked the colors. So
Speaker 1: they'd have pinks and greens and blues and all sorts
Speaker 1: of different colors, and as kids would run around the
Speaker 1: town and see who could collect the most colors and
Speaker 1: most papers. So we were aware seeing the helicopters go
Speaker 1: through with a soldier sitting out the window with his
Speaker 1: feet on the landing gear, and people would say, oh,
Speaker 1: there Israeli helicopters. So we were aware of what a
Speaker 1: helicopter looked like. We knew what we heard with the
Speaker 1: sound of the helicopter and so on. This thing was
Speaker 1: no helicopter, didn't have landing gear, didn't have propellers, didn't
Speaker 1: have any scenes whatsoever. It was just this silver egg
Speaker 1: shaped looking object with a windscreen, and two figures sitting inside.
Speaker 1: And as I'm looking up, I could see that these
Speaker 1: whoever was in this craft, the two beings in the craft,
Speaker 1: the one that was closer to me, would look over
Speaker 1: at the other one. The other one, the one to
Speaker 1: his left so looking towards me, was always looking towards me.
Speaker 1: But the one closest to me would turn his head,
Speaker 1: look at the other one, and then look at me,
Speaker 1: turn around look at me. It was like almost like
Speaker 1: those clowns you see in the surface where you can
Speaker 1: drop the ball down their throat, and they just kept
Speaker 1: moving the ads. He just kept looking back and forth, and
Speaker 1: I got the impression it was confusion there. And as
Speaker 1: I'm doing that, I see the object drop about five meters.
Speaker 1: It just all of a sudden just dropped, got closer,
Speaker 1: and then it dropped another time, and I thought, oh shit.
Speaker 1: You know, I started thinking, is this going to land
Speaker 1: on the roof? And it could have easily. There's plenty
Speaker 1: of room. It was the size of like a VW
Speaker 1: Beetle VW bug. It could have easily landed on the roof,
Speaker 1: not a problem. As I'm looking at this, I know
Speaker 1: that they can't see it because they were frozen. Maybe
Speaker 1: they could see through their eyes. I couldn't tell you.
Speaker 1: But I'm the only one who was looking at this thing,
Speaker 1: and I'm the only one who could move. And all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, as I'm looking at this and it's
Speaker 1: getting closer, it drops the second time closer. Bang. The
Speaker 1: next memory we got, well, next memory we all got,
Speaker 1: because we all were awake at that stage downstairs on
Speaker 1: the bottom floor, on the ground floor, sitting on the
Speaker 1: first couple of steps, and some of the couple were
Speaker 1: standing up. There was you know, three or four standing up,
Speaker 1: and there was you know, three before sitting down. And
Speaker 1: the first thing that came out of our mouth is
Speaker 1: how did we get here? We started questioning each other,
Speaker 1: like how did we get here? We were upstairs on
Speaker 1: the roof. Not one of us had any inkling what happened.
Speaker 1: We didn't know. And as we're talking to each other
Speaker 1: and asking each other, how did we get here? I
Speaker 1: don't remember walking down here, we hear our parents outside
Speaker 1: calling out to us. We hear a couple of parents
Speaker 1: calling out. So one of the kids sticks they had
Speaker 1: out the door and screams, you know, says we're here
Speaker 1: to the parents. You know, we're here. We're sitting just
Speaker 1: sitting inside on the steps. Parents come in and you know,
Speaker 1: they were pretty angry, they weren't happy, and they were
Speaker 1: questioning us straight away, you know, where have you been?
Speaker 1: Where were you? What have you been doing? And we're like,
Speaker 1: we were up on the roof playing and they're like, no,
Speaker 1: you weren't. We're like, yeah, we're up on the playing.
Speaker 1: And whoever the parents were of the children, they actually
Speaker 1: give them a smack on the butt and say stop lying.
Speaker 1: Where were you? You know, and you'd get a big
Speaker 1: smack on the butt, and even you know us other
Speaker 1: kids would get a smack on the butt and say,
Speaker 1: don't lie. Because it was a close knit neighborhood and
Speaker 1: as they say, it takes a village to bring up
Speaker 1: a child, and that's how it was there. Everybody was
Speaker 1: our parent. You know, we're all really close and they
Speaker 1: could smack you and your parents would pat him on
Speaker 1: the back for it. They wouldn't get upset about it
Speaker 1: at all. They were questioning us, and I don't know
Speaker 1: if they thought we were up to no good. You know,
Speaker 1: there was like three girls, four boys, and they might
Speaker 1: have thought we're playing doctors, nurses, I don't know, but
Speaker 1: they were very, very concerned, and we couldn't understand why
Speaker 1: they were so angry. And then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: one of the parents is saying, you couldn't have been
Speaker 1: on the roof. And every time one of us said
Speaker 1: we were on the roof, that's when they'd smack you
Speaker 1: on the butt. And we said, but we were playing
Speaker 1: on the roof. We didn't go anywhere, and they said, look,
Speaker 1: we've been looking for you for over two hours. We've
Speaker 1: been screaming, we've been shouting, we've been calling out your
Speaker 1: names if you were on the roof, and that made
Speaker 1: them more angry. When we'd say we're on the roof
Speaker 1: and we didn't reply to them calling out to us,
Speaker 1: they'd ask, how could you not have heard us? But
Speaker 1: we didn't. No one heard. We didn't heart the parents
Speaker 1: calling out at all. So we got grounded. We couldn't
Speaker 1: play with each other for a couple of days. You know.
Speaker 1: Everybody sort of it happened, you know, and I was
Speaker 1: the only one who saw things. I don't know if
Speaker 1: any of the kids did, I'm not sure, but that
Speaker 1: was my first experience. Although you know, it sort of
Speaker 1: was something i've never experienced before in the nineteen seventies.
Speaker 1: I was born in nineteen sixty four. So now that
Speaker 1: I mentioned nineteen sixty four being born, and I got
Speaker 1: to mention this thing that happened when Bill Talker was
Speaker 1: researching in two thousand and four. He was researching information
Speaker 1: to write the book Here of the Alien about my
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety two experience. He spoke to my parents, and
Speaker 1: my mum walked into the room at one stage, and
Speaker 1: she said, what's going on, Like, what's this about. My
Speaker 1: eldest brother said, oh, he's doing some research about Peter's
Speaker 1: experience because I had an experience at my parents' house,
Speaker 1: which I'll get to in a minute. I won't mention
Speaker 1: anything now, but just quickly mentioned that it had happened there.
Speaker 1: He said, I was talking about his research in Peter's experiences,
Speaker 1: and my mom out of the blue, never heard her
Speaker 1: talk about this in my life. She said, when we
Speaker 1: were younger, we used to see these things all the time.
Speaker 1: We used to call them flying plates, but our parents
Speaker 1: and older people would say, no, no, there Israeli spy planes.
Speaker 1: They put everything down to Israeli spyplanes. My mom said,
Speaker 1: she said, but there's one particular incident that I remember,
Speaker 1: and she said, Peter was twenty two days old, like
Speaker 1: she remembered how old I was. I was born in April,
Speaker 1: so this would have been May. She said that she
Speaker 1: was sitting on the bed breastfeeding me at three o'clock
Speaker 1: in the morning, and she said, as she's breastfeeding me,
Speaker 1: she noticed there was a figure in the window looking
Speaker 1: through and it was like a glass window of fluviored
Speaker 1: wooden shutter. The wooden shutters were open. And she said,
Speaker 1: this whoever was in the window, didn't look Middle Eastern
Speaker 1: at all. And as a matter of fact, it had
Speaker 1: milky white skin, white hair combed from the side like
Speaker 1: over the e almost like a combover. But it wasn't
Speaker 1: it suited that person. And he had hair, so it
Speaker 1: wasn't like covering a ball spot or anything. It was
Speaker 1: just the style and had big blue eyes, very thin features,
Speaker 1: milky white skin, and was wearing like a turtle neck
Speaker 1: like a skivy, just looking at her. And she made
Speaker 1: the point to say, he wasn't perving at me, he
Speaker 1: was looking at my son. He was watching my son. Now,
Speaker 1: I was twenty two days old at the time, so
Speaker 1: way back then something happened. I'm sure family members of mine,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe parents' grandparents, have had experiences but just
Speaker 1: didn't know who to how to deal with them, or
Speaker 1: how to explain it or even talk about it. So yeah,
Speaker 1: moving forward from that experience in Lebanon, we migrated out
Speaker 1: to Australia in nineteen seventy three. So I keep saying this.
Speaker 1: When we flew over Australia, I fell in love with
Speaker 1: the country just from the air. I just found it beautiful.
Speaker 1: I grew up in an area called Marrickville, Dulla Chill,
Speaker 1: and I went to school at it was a Catholic
Speaker 1: school in Marrickville called Dilasel Marrickville, and had a normal
Speaker 1: upbringing like any other. You know what They used to
Speaker 1: refer to us as wog's back then, you know, ethnics,
Speaker 1: but it was the term was wog, and you know,
Speaker 1: we carried that like a badge of honor. It wasn't derogatory.
Speaker 1: There was even a show on TV, you know where
Speaker 1: the guy would call his son in law the wog. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was something to be proud of and not take
Speaker 1: offense to it and be offended, you know. And I
Speaker 1: had a normal childhood, finished school and one day I
Speaker 1: was driving to meet a mate. I left school and
Speaker 1: got a job, and I drove past the school my
Speaker 1: mate was going to in Dulla Chill and as I
Speaker 1: was talking to him, there was twelve hundred students in
Speaker 1: the playground and I saw this girl playing netball, blonde girl,
Speaker 1: and I asked him who she was, and he told
Speaker 1: me her name and said, oh, that's Vivian. And instantly
Speaker 1: I said to him that that's exactly what I want
Speaker 1: my wife to look like. And I ended up a
Speaker 1: week two weeks later, actually a week later, I applied,
Speaker 1: and then two weeks later I had the opportunity to
Speaker 1: go to that school and I did and I lasted
Speaker 1: seven months there. But I made contact with the person
Speaker 1: I went there in the first place for we ended
Speaker 1: up after years of doing our own things, seven years
Speaker 1: or so after school and did our own thing, you know,
Speaker 1: and then we got back together and we ended up
Speaker 1: getting engaged and got married, but married for twenty six
Speaker 1: years and broke up in twenty sixteen. But in nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty eight, February fourteen, Valentine's Day, I picked her up
Speaker 1: from work and we were sitting down We were sitting
Speaker 1: down in my car and I had my back to
Speaker 1: the driver's door and she was sitting in the passenger seat,
Speaker 1: had her back to the passenger door, and we're just
Speaker 1: looking at each other, just talking. We're planning a trip
Speaker 1: of Queensland the following week. As I was talking to her,
Speaker 1: I just had this feeling. Something just said to me,
Speaker 1: look out the window. It was like, you know, not
Speaker 1: a voice in my head, it was a feeling in
Speaker 1: my head, like just saying, look out the window, look
Speaker 1: out the window. And I just tilted my head back.
Speaker 1: I had my window wound down. I just tilted my
Speaker 1: head back, and as I looked up, I saw this,
Speaker 1: say softball size slightly bigger than a baseball maybe sized
Speaker 1: ball that was solid white. It wasn't emitting like a
Speaker 1: you know, any haze or anything around. It was just
Speaker 1: a solid round light, a solid ball, and it was
Speaker 1: traveling from north to south. And as it moved across
Speaker 1: this it was rapidly moving like it caught my attention
Speaker 1: how big it was and how quick it was. And
Speaker 1: as I'm watching it, I said, we got I said
Speaker 1: to I, get out, get out and have a look
Speaker 1: at this. So we got out of the car, and
Speaker 1: we're watching this thing and it's moving, and then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, it stopped on the Southern Cross at
Speaker 1: the top star the Southern Cross, and it stopped on
Speaker 1: a dime like it was moving rapidly, and then got
Speaker 1: to that point above the star and it just stopped.
Speaker 1: And as we're watching this thing, it hovered there for
Speaker 1: a few seconds, and then all of a sudden, it
Speaker 1: shot this solid beam of light, white beam of light,
Speaker 1: and I'm talking like solid white light. It shot it
Speaker 1: down and to the next point on the next star,
Speaker 1: down on the southern cross, and it appeared at two
Speaker 1: places at once. It looked like a dumb bell. It
Speaker 1: looked like a training dumb bell. And then it disappeared
Speaker 1: from point A and then where it was at point B,
Speaker 1: it shot a beam of light again in a triangular
Speaker 1: formation to the star on the other side, opposite side,
Speaker 1: and it was always in a triangular, a perfect triangular formation.
Speaker 1: It shot this beam of light, appeared at two places
Speaker 1: at once, disappeared from point B and it was still
Speaker 1: you could still visibly see it at point C. Then
Speaker 1: it shot a beam of light from point C point D.
Speaker 1: It disappeared at points cz so you could still see it,
Speaker 1: so it was just my part at the time. She
Speaker 1: made the comment and said it looks like a war
Speaker 1: with the stars, and I jumped in and said, no,
Speaker 1: it looks like it's searching for something, because I thought
Speaker 1: that beam of light was a search light. Later on
Speaker 1: by after doing research and talking to people, I realized
Speaker 1: that they can travel far vast distances in space and
Speaker 1: they can leap from one point to another, and I
Speaker 1: think that's what it was doing, and that's how I
Speaker 1: could see it at two places at once. It was
Speaker 1: traveling so quick, but it did this erratically, like back
Speaker 1: and forth in a triangular formation, up down, across. You know,
Speaker 1: you couldn't pick a pattern to it. We watched it
Speaker 1: for probably on a minute and a half, two minutes almost.
Speaker 1: We're just standing there, and I got a cardboard and
Speaker 1: I rolled it up, you know, in tunneled my visions,
Speaker 1: I can focus on it as we stand in there.
Speaker 1: It went back up to the top star where it
Speaker 1: originally stopped, popped there for a couple of seconds, and
Speaker 1: then just shot straight up into the sky at great speed,
Speaker 1: like I couldn't even tell you how fast it was going.
Speaker 1: And we just looked at each other at the time,
Speaker 1: and you know, we said to each other, oh my god,
Speaker 1: that that was like that had to be a UFO
Speaker 1: or you know, an object was a man built I
Speaker 1: can tell you we thought that in the next day
Speaker 1: on the news, on the radio, newspapers, especially the local newspaper,
Speaker 1: we thought, you know, we're going to see many, many
Speaker 1: people calling and reporting seeing news. Because it happened at
Speaker 1: eight o'clock and it was clear sky, beautiful night. You know,
Speaker 1: you you could see everything. I can't understand how nobody,
Speaker 1: you know what. Maybe people did see it, and just
Speaker 1: like us, they didn't. I didn't bring up the newspapers
Speaker 1: or the radio station and report it. I was hoping
Speaker 1: other people would. And maybe other people did see it
Speaker 1: and just didn't report it. Didn't bother But you know,
Speaker 1: one of the best displays that I've seen an object.
Speaker 1: The maneuvers were incredible, the power it showed was incredible.
Speaker 1: It was it was just a great sighting to have
Speaker 1: that sort of started to trigger things because six months
Speaker 1: later July, I had just moved back home. I was
Speaker 1: away from home for five years, lived on my own,
Speaker 1: met an older woman eleven years older me. She had
Speaker 1: two kids. For about four and a half years there.
Speaker 1: You know, I went down the wrong track, hung out
Speaker 1: with the wrong people and did the wrong things. Whatever.
Speaker 1: Didn't do too many, you know, it wasn't like overly
Speaker 1: bad things, but I'm not proud of some of the
Speaker 1: things I did. And so I had moved back home
Speaker 1: for about nine months. This is nineteen eighty eight now
Speaker 1: in July, and there was one night where I remember
Speaker 1: I was sitting down with my dad. I'm watching TV
Speaker 1: with him. And because I'd growing up, my dad was
Speaker 1: never around. He always worked overseas. I hardly knew my
Speaker 1: dad growing up. My brothers, two older brothers and my
Speaker 1: sister probably had spent time with him before he went
Speaker 1: overseas and started working there. But when I was born,
Speaker 1: hardly you know, growing up, I hardly ever saw I'd
Speaker 1: see my dad for about two weeks maybe every six
Speaker 1: months a week or two. He'd come visit and then
Speaker 1: shoot off. He'd be there one day, you know, four
Speaker 1: or five days later, I'd got come on, where's Dad.
Speaker 1: He's gone back flown overseas. You know, hardly ever knew
Speaker 1: who was My first time I met him, I walked
Speaker 1: in and I saw this guy sitting in our house
Speaker 1: on the lounge and I said to my brothers and
Speaker 1: see who's that. And I said, that's our dad, that's
Speaker 1: your father. That was my introduction to my dad. I'm
Speaker 1: sitting down watching TV with him. And as we're watching
Speaker 1: this TV, it was probably about ten fifteen, got even
Speaker 1: twenty minutes into this movie, because it was around eleven
Speaker 1: quarter past eleven. The movie just started, and I was
Speaker 1: just glad to sit there with my dad, just us,
Speaker 1: my dad and I by ourselves, just sitting there watching
Speaker 1: this movie. He was lying on a three seater lounge
Speaker 1: and I was sitting on a single seater. Where I
Speaker 1: was sitting, you could see all the way from the
Speaker 1: front door and the back door where areck line of sight? Anyway,
Speaker 1: as I'm sitting there, my brother walked out of my room.
Speaker 1: He was asleep in my room. He walked out of
Speaker 1: my bedroom, came up to me and said, go watch
Speaker 1: TV in your bedroom. I want to sleep out here.
Speaker 1: It didn't make sense to me, but I thought, okay,
Speaker 1: you know, I like my privacy. I'm disappointed I'm not
Speaker 1: going to sit you with my dad, but that's okay,
Speaker 1: all right. So I went and we swapped. He sat
Speaker 1: down where I was in the same chair, and I
Speaker 1: went into my room, closed the door. I sat down
Speaker 1: on the bed and between the wall and the bed,
Speaker 1: I had a little coffee table and on that table
Speaker 1: I had a little color to Sheba TV. And as
Speaker 1: I bent down and turned the TV on, I hit
Speaker 1: the switch and turned the TV on. I put my
Speaker 1: hands behind my head. I passed my hand together behind
Speaker 1: my head, and I crossed my right leg over my
Speaker 1: left And as I went to lay on the bed,
Speaker 1: I put my head on the pillow. My hands in
Speaker 1: my head hadn't even touched the pillow at that stage.
Speaker 1: I was just about to lie back and I felt
Speaker 1: something grabbed me around my ankles and to me at
Speaker 1: the time, instantly I thought it was someone's hand between
Speaker 1: you know, the index finger and the thumb, but it
Speaker 1: could have been some sort of a device. I'm not
Speaker 1: too sure, because as soon as I felt something touch me,
Speaker 1: grabbed me, I started feeling pins and needles from my ankles,
Speaker 1: crawling up through my calfs, up you know, all the
Speaker 1: way up my legs, up my torso through my face.
Speaker 1: I could feel it tingling my face and then on
Speaker 1: the top of my head. It was like ants crawling.
Speaker 1: Well that's how I described it. Back then, it was
Speaker 1: like thousands of ants crawling from my scalp. But it
Speaker 1: was more like static electricity. So I'm lying in bed now,
Speaker 1: I'm paralyzed. I can't move. And the only thing luckily
Speaker 1: for me, I had my eyes open. And I'd say
Speaker 1: if I had my eyes closed, I would have put
Speaker 1: it down to a dream. I would have put it
Speaker 1: down to a nightmare and moved on, you know. But
Speaker 1: because my eyes were open, I could see what was
Speaker 1: going on in the room, and at the foot of
Speaker 1: the bed, I could see three to four foot tall
Speaker 1: being creature. Back then, I'd referred to it as a
Speaker 1: creature because it looked horrific. It looked really really frightening.
Speaker 1: And yeah, people can say demonic it did. It look robust.
Speaker 1: It looked, you know, menacing. And there was this creature
Speaker 1: wearing a robe with a hood over its head, and
Speaker 1: the hood made its head look even bigger, you know,
Speaker 1: with the hood on its face. It had wrinkly, deprinkly forehead,
Speaker 1: like I mean deep wrinkles. It had protruding eye ridges, eyebrows,
Speaker 1: It had round, deep set eyes. They weren't the big
Speaker 1: black eyes that you would think an Adien would have
Speaker 1: that would round, a little bit of a protruding cheekbone
Speaker 1: like chubby cheekbones, a wide nose, big lips, you could
Speaker 1: see the chin, you know, loose skin in the face,
Speaker 1: and it was a big head and it didn't look
Speaker 1: friendly at all. So as I'm looking at this thing,
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, you know, what is this? And I
Speaker 1: want to kick I want to you know, I grew up,
Speaker 1: I did martial arts and I played sports and that,
Speaker 1: so you know, I could handle myself, probably get beat
Speaker 1: up doing it, but I could handle myself. I was
Speaker 1: trying to get up and fight, you know, I was
Speaker 1: trying and I couldn't. I was. And then as I'm
Speaker 1: doing this with the corner of my eye on the
Speaker 1: right side of the bed between me and the TV.
Speaker 1: Now with these two other creatures that looked exactly like
Speaker 1: the first one at the foot of my bed, hooded
Speaker 1: with the hood over their heads, and these beans look
Speaker 1: gorilla liked. Honestly, get a gorilla, put a hood over
Speaker 1: it with a robe and take a couple of picture's
Speaker 1: chest up and you're going to get a pretty close
Speaker 1: image to what I saw. So, yeah, they look terrific.
Speaker 1: They look looked, you know, brightening. I was petrified. I
Speaker 1: wanted to get up and kick and fight, you know,
Speaker 1: try and get out of the room. And the more
Speaker 1: effort that I made to do that, the more drained
Speaker 1: I felt. But I couldn't move it all. As I'm
Speaker 1: freaking out, stressing out. I'm sweating like I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm stressing out. I'm thinking this is evil, And
Speaker 1: this is what I was thinking at the time. I
Speaker 1: wasn't thinking aliens, I wasn't thinking UFO, nothing like that.
Speaker 1: I was just thinking, oh my god, this is evil.
Speaker 1: What are these things? Where did they come from? How
Speaker 1: did they end up in my room? I'm paralyzed and
Speaker 1: I'm going to be paralyzed for the rest of my life.
Speaker 1: And I tried to call out the family man, look
Speaker 1: to my dad and my brother who were the closest
Speaker 1: to me in the next room, and I could think
Speaker 1: about their names. I could say, you know, my dad's
Speaker 1: might call out Dad, Dad or my brother Sam, but
Speaker 1: nothing would come out. I could think about it, but
Speaker 1: it will no voice box at all. So I'm stressing
Speaker 1: out even more now, and I'm petrified, and I'm thinking
Speaker 1: I'm going to be in a wheelchair for the rest
Speaker 1: of my life. My family will get in here in
Speaker 1: the morning because I haven't come out of the room yet.
Speaker 1: They're going to see I'm paralyzed and i can't speak.
Speaker 1: And as I'm thinking that, with the corner of my
Speaker 1: eye on the left side of the bed, I caught movement.
Speaker 1: And when I moved my eyes over and looked, now
Speaker 1: there's a wardrobe against the wall. They're standing there, and
Speaker 1: then there's my bed. So they were very close to me.
Speaker 1: One was around my shoulder height and the other one
Speaker 1: was on around my waist. The one around my waist
Speaker 1: was female. I could see she had bigger chest. I
Speaker 1: could tell she was more feminine. Also, they were both
Speaker 1: wearing surgical masks. Unlike our surgical masks that are about
Speaker 1: four fingers or even bigger in width than that to
Speaker 1: cover your nose and mouth, these ones that they were
Speaker 1: wearing were like two fingers wide, just over their mouth,
Speaker 1: not over their nose. That was the female, she had
Speaker 1: her mouth covered with the mask. The male, who was
Speaker 1: closest to my head and my shoulder, he had the
Speaker 1: mask sitting under his chin, so I could see his mouth,
Speaker 1: and what I saw was a golden two golden figures.
Speaker 1: I'll describe just the one golden figure, almond shaped head
Speaker 1: with some sharp edges at the to the face. Two large,
Speaker 1: big black guys, and i'll get back to that in
Speaker 1: a sect. A long, low ridge nose with nostrils that
Speaker 1: are a bit sort of squashed together. They're narrow, and
Speaker 1: they're a little bit higher ridge than the nose is.
Speaker 1: And then just the line for a mouth, if you
Speaker 1: just drew it with a pencil. I didn't see like
Speaker 1: separate lips. I didn't see teeth or anything like that,
Speaker 1: and I just saw if you drew it with a pencil,
Speaker 1: that's what I saw as a mouth. And the one
Speaker 1: closest to me. Now, don't forget, I was petrified. One minute.
Speaker 1: I was sweating and I was freaking out. And then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, as soon as I saw the
Speaker 1: guy closest to me, the male, and I looked into
Speaker 1: his eyes, it was as if I fell in this void,
Speaker 1: dark void, and look, I think it would sort of
Speaker 1: had a hypnotic effect on me. Where as soon as
Speaker 1: I looked in his eyes, I started feeling calm, and
Speaker 1: the next thing that I felt rather than heard. It
Speaker 1: was like a knowing, a feeling rather than a hearing
Speaker 1: voices in my head sort of thing. I felt sensed
Speaker 1: him saying to me, calm down, relax, Calm down, We're
Speaker 1: not going to harm you. Calm down, relax. It would
Speaker 1: be like the last time. Calm down, relax. And instantly
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there thinking what last time? But I became
Speaker 1: completely calm as soon as I looked in his eyes. Look,
Speaker 1: I'm looking at my TV screen now, which he's switched off,
Speaker 1: and it's pitch black, and it's a bit eerie, because, yeah,
Speaker 1: it feels like you're falling in that dark space and
Speaker 1: these Instantly I realized that this being knew me better
Speaker 1: than I knew myself, as if it's been around me
Speaker 1: all my life. And I assume that's why I didn't
Speaker 1: need to wear it covering over his mouth, like not
Speaker 1: concerned about passing diseases or anything or catching anything from me.
Speaker 1: So there was obviously some interaction, you know, before him
Speaker 1: saying it'd be like the last time. Not that I
Speaker 1: was aware of her, but he indicated that as he's
Speaker 1: saying to me, calm down, we're not going to harm you.
Speaker 1: He leans over towards my head and in his hand
Speaker 1: I saw he was holding it with three fingers, and
Speaker 1: it looked like a tube, a syringe type thing, and
Speaker 1: on the tip of it had like an optic fiber,
Speaker 1: little thin cable line thing, and at the tip of
Speaker 1: that was a little bright light. And as he's saying
Speaker 1: to me, calm down, relax, I'm not gonna and I
Speaker 1: became instantly calm, Like I mean, within a second or two,
Speaker 1: I was completely calm. And that's something that interested Professor
Speaker 1: mac down the track. When he put me under the hypnotherapy,
Speaker 1: how quick you know, one second I was sweating and
Speaker 1: freaking out, and then a second later I stopped sweating,
Speaker 1: and he was. He had another psychiatrist in the room
Speaker 1: and a friend assistant. He made the comment to them
Speaker 1: that the human body just can't do that. You can't
Speaker 1: be stressing out, freaking out, sweating and all of a
Speaker 1: sudden it just stops in a second, he said, like
Speaker 1: he was experiencing something. So that came later during a
Speaker 1: hip regret possession. Anyway, Yeah, he's telling me, calm down, relax,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to hurt you. And then he puts
Speaker 1: this needle looking tube or whatever, flexible little tube towards
Speaker 1: my head on the left ear, higher up on the head,
Speaker 1: inserted something in. Now I felt pressure. I could feel
Speaker 1: that there was pressure going through, but I didn't feel
Speaker 1: any pain. It wasn't painful. Two three seconds after feeling
Speaker 1: that pressure and knowing like I could tell something pierce
Speaker 1: the skin and went through no pain, but I blacked out.
Speaker 1: I jumped out of bed. I sprung out of bed.
Speaker 1: When I got my feelings back, my movement back. I
Speaker 1: had been fighting this paralysis so much, try and move
Speaker 1: and I couldn't. Trying to call out and I couldn't,
Speaker 1: so when it was over, I didn't know, but because
Speaker 1: I had been fighting to get up. When I got up,
Speaker 1: I sprung out of bed. I opened the bedroom door,
Speaker 1: went out to my brother and my dad. First one
Speaker 1: that I got to was my dad. He was sitting
Speaker 1: to my left as I walked through the door. He
Speaker 1: was on the three seat and lounge on them side.
Speaker 1: And I walked up to him and I started trying
Speaker 1: to wake him up, Dad, Dad, wake up, wake up.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't wake up. I shook him, shook him, couldn't wouldn't
Speaker 1: wake up, I went and got my brother. I thought
Speaker 1: my dad had a heart attack. I was petrified, and
Speaker 1: I went to wake up my my brother and I
Speaker 1: couldn't wake up my brother either, so I started shaking
Speaker 1: him and shaking him, and then I slapped him two
Speaker 1: or three times across the face, and he woke up.
Speaker 1: He came two and the first thing that came out
Speaker 1: of his mouth and he said it in Arabic in Lebanese,
Speaker 1: he said, I feel like I've been switched off, which
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't register with me at the time,
Speaker 1: but later on that's what seems to happen to people
Speaker 1: around someone being abducted. They can switch you off or
Speaker 1: immobilize you and so on. So I said to him, look,
Speaker 1: I can't wake up my dad. I think he's had
Speaker 1: a heart attack. So we went and try to wake
Speaker 1: up my dad together. We couldn't. My brother said to me,
Speaker 1: go get a glass of water. Splashed water on my
Speaker 1: dad's face. Didn't wake up. So my dad slapped him
Speaker 1: a couple of times, really hard to and my dad
Speaker 1: woke up. But my dad didn't say a word. He
Speaker 1: didn't ask why you're putting water all over mere? Why
Speaker 1: you slapped in me, like, what is wrong with your kids?
Speaker 1: You know, nothing, nothing. He just looked at us both
Speaker 1: and just turned on his side and just laid down.
Speaker 1: And I thought that was really strange, and we wanted
Speaker 1: to make sure he didn't have a heart attack or
Speaker 1: a stroke or something. But he was fine, just wasn't
Speaker 1: with it anyway. I said to my brother. I asked
Speaker 1: my brother, I said, how long has it been since
Speaker 1: I went into my room you came out here? And
Speaker 1: he said, oh, about ten minutes? And I thought it
Speaker 1: was about ten to fifteen minutes, So I thought I
Speaker 1: blacked out in there for about ten fifteen when the
Speaker 1: needle went into my head. As we're talking, we looked
Speaker 1: at the TV screen and it was a blur. There
Speaker 1: was nothing. It was like a test pattern on there.
Speaker 1: It was a blur for test pattern. And at that time,
Speaker 1: TV stations would close two o'clock, three o'clock sometimes and
Speaker 1: there'd be a picture of Sydney Harbor Bridge in the
Speaker 1: Opera House and there'd be a song, you know, my
Speaker 1: city of Sydney, and we were used to that, and
Speaker 1: as we're talking, we looked at it. Now, for that
Speaker 1: to happen, there must have been over two two and
Speaker 1: a half hours that went by because the TV show
Speaker 1: I was watching was now over and the TV station
Speaker 1: was closed. So I said to my brother, look, I'm
Speaker 1: going to take a glass of water and I'm going
Speaker 1: to put it next to my bed. If that glass
Speaker 1: of water is there in the morning when I get up,
Speaker 1: this isn't all a dream. Something happened. So of course
Speaker 1: I get a glass of water and go put it
Speaker 1: next to my bed to side chest. In the morning,
Speaker 1: I wake up, the glass of water is there. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: something obviously happened. So later on I went to have
Speaker 1: a shower, came out of the shower. As I was
Speaker 1: drying up, I was drying my right leg and when
Speaker 1: I got down to my shin, it felt like something
Speaker 1: had felt like a burn like when I looked at it,
Speaker 1: it looked like someone had put a cigarette and just
Speaker 1: let it burn into my shin for thirty seconds a
Speaker 1: minute and then taking it out. And there was this
Speaker 1: five millimeter circle of about two millimeter indentation with three
Speaker 1: scoops in there, like in a triangular formation, three dots
Speaker 1: sort of thing, not even dots, they were more like
Speaker 1: diamond shaped if anything red draw like red draw It's
Speaker 1: like you put a cigarette there and let it burn.
Speaker 1: So it was a bit painful and you know, uncomfortable.
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Speaker 1: Anyway, six hours later, I went down to pick up
Speaker 1: Vivian from work. As I'm driving, she got in the
Speaker 1: car and the first thing she said to me was,
Speaker 1: what's wrong? Who did you ever fight with? And I'm like, nah, no, one,
Speaker 1: something just happened and I need to talk to someone.
Speaker 1: I may as well talk to you. I told her
Speaker 1: it happened the night before, explained the whole story to her,
Speaker 1: and as I was pointing to my head, I said, yeah,
Speaker 1: they inserted something in my head here and when I
Speaker 1: touched it, there was dry blood under my fingernail, and
Speaker 1: she had a look like she could see the dry
Speaker 1: blood on my fingernails. So she's don't give me a look.
Speaker 1: She's had a look and she's got The first thing
Speaker 1: she said was, oh my god, Gs Peter, you've got
Speaker 1: like a doughnut hole in your head. It's inflamed. It
Speaker 1: circle you could see blood in the middle. She goes,
Speaker 1: oh my god, you know what caused that. And then
Speaker 1: I went to show her the mark on my leg.
Speaker 1: I lifted my jeene leg up and it was still there.
Speaker 1: It was a mark. It was like a bullet hole.
Speaker 1: But it was no longer red draw. It was completely healed.
Speaker 1: But it's still a scar. You can see it's an indentation.
Speaker 1: It's not like it healed and it's gone. It's there,
Speaker 1: it's in your face. I think I might have sent
Speaker 1: you a photo of it. I'm not sure, but I
Speaker 1: couldn't understand how it could have been red raw. And
Speaker 1: then six hours later healed. I thought it'd take a
Speaker 1: few days at least, if not over a week. But anyway,
Speaker 1: she said to me, look, you need to go and
Speaker 1: speak to your doctor. So I dropped her off at
Speaker 1: her house. Doctor was like five minutes up the road
Speaker 1: from where she lived. I went in seeing my doctor
Speaker 1: and there were people in the waiting room. And when
Speaker 1: I went to see her in her room and told
Speaker 1: her what happened, I explained to her, you know, look, doc,
Speaker 1: something happened to me. I need to be honest with
Speaker 1: you and tell you. I'm not going to sugarcoat this.
Speaker 1: And when I told her the story, she just cracked up,
Speaker 1: laughing like I'm in hysterical laughter. And she said, come on, Peter,
Speaker 1: you probably hit your head on a nail at work,
Speaker 1: you know, I said, doctor, why would I She was
Speaker 1: my doctor for ten years. That's something I want to mention.
Speaker 1: She was my doctor for ten years. She was a
Speaker 1: great doctor, like fantastic doctor. But she let me down
Speaker 1: so bad that after that I never went and saw
Speaker 1: her again. All my friends used to use her because
Speaker 1: she was such a good doctor. They'd all asked me
Speaker 1: to put them in contact with her, and some of
Speaker 1: them may still be her patients. I don't know. But anyway, Yeah,
Speaker 1: she laughed at me, and I remember saying to her, doctor,
Speaker 1: don't laugh at me. If you think I'm crazy, send
Speaker 1: me to a psychiatrists, psychologists or something. But theyn't laugh
Speaker 1: at me. I walked out of that room, and as
Speaker 1: I walked into the reception to speak to the secretary receptionist,
Speaker 1: the people in there were laughing. They go, oh, that
Speaker 1: must have been a great joke you told the doc day.
Speaker 1: She was laughing her head off, and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: only if you knew. And I just walked out really disappointed.
Speaker 1: So I just had these experiences that I knew were
Speaker 1: so real, but I had nowhere the base, and I
Speaker 1: had nowhere to connect them to. I had nothing to
Speaker 1: compare them to. So I went on a crazy search,
Speaker 1: you know, like called a few people. But in the meantime,
Speaker 1: there was a Vivin and I were in the car
Speaker 1: once and we're driving and there was a poster. This
Speaker 1: is near our house. She lived five minutes from my
Speaker 1: parents' house walking distance. Basically, we were driving down the
Speaker 1: street near the RSL club in the area, and on
Speaker 1: the other side was a poster. There was a black
Speaker 1: poster with white writing and it said they're coming. That's it,
Speaker 1: just in white writing, They're coming. And we looked at
Speaker 1: it and thought, I wonder what that's about. Two weeks later,
Speaker 1: same spot, same poster, different riding. They're here. They're here,
Speaker 1: and we're like, whoa, what is this? You know, who's here.
Speaker 1: A couple of weeks later, I pick her up from work.
Speaker 1: We're driving away from her work, you know, and there's
Speaker 1: it's a busy it's Macquarie Streets that's very busy. There's
Speaker 1: a bus shelters there and there was a two or
Speaker 1: three buses stopped and as we're at the set of lights,
Speaker 1: one of the buses had to take off, and in
Speaker 1: the bus shelter we saw similar poster, black poster, but
Speaker 1: instead of riding there was the face of the Communion
Speaker 1: book cover, the goldish, big eyed aliens that I saw,
Speaker 1: the two of them that I saw, the one that
Speaker 1: injected in the needle in my head, exactly the same.
Speaker 1: And she saw it before I did, and she was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, look at that. And when I looked,
Speaker 1: when I looked back at her, she had covered her
Speaker 1: mouth with her hand. She was like, oh my god, Peter,
Speaker 1: that's what you saw. Anyway, we realized it was an
Speaker 1: advertisement for the book Communion. And now this was before
Speaker 1: we had any kids or anything, so that we at
Speaker 1: the time we were just yeah, we're still engaged. And anyway,
Speaker 1: were trying to find the book, and I got a
Speaker 1: copy of the book, and she read it before I did.
Speaker 1: The book communion I'm talking about, she read it before
Speaker 1: I did, and she'd read it on the way to
Speaker 1: work on the train, and she'd get to work. She'd
Speaker 1: bring me in the morning and she'd be almost furious.
Speaker 1: She'd be like, Peter, this is your story. You've told
Speaker 1: your story to someone and they've gone and written a
Speaker 1: book about it and they're selling it as their story.
Speaker 1: This is what you told me, happened to you, the
Speaker 1: same beings, the same this. And I was like, the
Speaker 1: only person that people I spoke to are you and
Speaker 1: my doctor. I haven't spoken to anybody else about this.
Speaker 1: And she's like, well, somebody's written a book about it.
Speaker 1: Maybe your doctor told someone. And I was like, no, no,
Speaker 1: I think this book was written before and it's coming out.
Speaker 1: I think it was the second edition thing, and it
Speaker 1: was advertising for it. Whatever. Anyway, she walked into my
Speaker 1: parents' place one day out the front through the front
Speaker 1: gate and she had the book in her hand, and
Speaker 1: I went to take a picture, and actually she was
Speaker 1: bringing the book for me to start reading it. She'd
Speaker 1: just finished reading it, and she's pulled the book up
Speaker 1: to her face, and I took the photo, and I've
Speaker 1: got a photo. It's a bit blurry, but it shows
Speaker 1: the book over her face with the picture of the
Speaker 1: alien on communion, which was funny at the time. But anyway,
Speaker 1: I started reading the book, and to begin with, i'd
Speaker 1: read maybe a couple of lines. I couldn't even finish
Speaker 1: a sentence, and I put the book down. I just
Speaker 1: couldn't deal with it. I think it was too confronting. Gradually,
Speaker 1: I started reading a little bit more every day, and
Speaker 1: I lead a little bit more at an extra line,
Speaker 1: forced myself to finish a paragraph, or force myself even
Speaker 1: more to finish a page. Took me about three months,
Speaker 1: maybe just over three months to read that book. And
Speaker 1: as I read through it, it was like a checklist, you know.
Speaker 1: I could tick a lot of things that I could,
Speaker 1: really but there were a lot of things that I
Speaker 1: was crossing now thinking na, na, no, like he had
Speaker 1: a shotgun. He was shooting at them that disappear at
Speaker 1: peace somewhere else. Since I didn't experience any of that stuff.
Speaker 1: To me, they were in control, total control, and I
Speaker 1: couldn't do anything about it, and I was paralyzed. So
Speaker 1: I read the book and then I thought, Okay, so
Speaker 1: my experiences are that's similar to this. It must be
Speaker 1: UFO alien related. And that's where my search for answers
Speaker 1: and my search for you know, thousands of books. I've
Speaker 1: got over two and a half thousand books in my library.
Speaker 1: I've read probably ninety percent of them. I've got to
Speaker 1: catch up on some reading soon too, And so yeah,
Speaker 1: I've got an office now where it's cost me so
Speaker 1: much money in my search. And you know, people think
Speaker 1: you do this to make money or whatever. I've lost
Speaker 1: so much money income wise. I'm good at what I
Speaker 1: do in my job, but there's a lot of people
Speaker 1: out there who judge you by what you believe, you know,
Speaker 1: and it's cost me. It's cost me a lot over
Speaker 1: the years, I can say that. But anyway, I spent
Speaker 1: a lot of money buying books and anything I could
Speaker 1: find on the topic I wanted to collect and have,
Speaker 1: you know, So this nine and eighty eight experience sort
Speaker 1: of was a eye opener for me, and I started
Speaker 1: making phone calls and I drink people, I drink counselors,
Speaker 1: I drink psychologists, you know, and as soon as they
Speaker 1: talked to me for twenty minutes, right, and it'd be
Speaker 1: a discussion. You know, this is what we do, of
Speaker 1: what we offer. We help these sort of people, but
Speaker 1: you know, we talk as soon as I tell them
Speaker 1: my story, I could start telling them. But as soon
Speaker 1: as I'd say there were beings in my room, or
Speaker 1: there were creatures in my room, there was something in
Speaker 1: my room physical, they'd be like, oh no, no, we
Speaker 1: don't deal with that sort of stuff. Sorry, And they
Speaker 1: wouldn't even try and refer you somewhere else. They'd just
Speaker 1: hang up on you. And it pissed me off, it
Speaker 1: really did. And I'm thinking, you call yourselves, you know,
Speaker 1: therapists and counselors or whatever, and you don't give a
Speaker 1: shit about someone that is telling you a story that
Speaker 1: you can't relate to or understand. So the last person
Speaker 1: I called was a psychologist in Queensland, and I remember
Speaker 1: him listening carefully and at the end he said to me,
Speaker 1: I was expecting the same thing. You know, I hang
Speaker 1: up at the end of it. But he said to me, look,
Speaker 1: I've been talking a lot of people and they're talking
Speaker 1: about this stuff that you're telling me now, and he said,
Speaker 1: and I think it's alien abduction or you know UFO
Speaker 1: Aian abduction stuff. There's a group in Sydney for me,
Speaker 1: and you should get involved with them, get in touch
Speaker 1: with them. So I thanked him and whatever. You know,
Speaker 1: he was the most help out of all of them.
Speaker 1: I ended up contacting that group and discovered that they
Speaker 1: were having their first inaugural meeting to name the group.
Speaker 1: I attended with two female friends of mine. During the meeting,
Speaker 1: they said, we're going to name the group. We're going
Speaker 1: to run a competition. You guys name it. The best
Speaker 1: name will get prize. There's three books here we want
Speaker 1: to give you as a prize, you know. So we
Speaker 1: ended up naming the group UFO Research Sydney and they
Speaker 1: gave us the book and it was accept that. Everybody
Speaker 1: went yet get perfect, nice good name. You know. Someone
Speaker 1: female stood up. Her name was Rebecca. I won't mention
Speaker 1: her second name, but she was from Blue Mountains and
Speaker 1: she said, oh, hang on a minute, it's not fair
Speaker 1: because you're looking at Sydney here UFO reached at Sydney.
Speaker 1: She goes, it should encompass the whole of New South
Speaker 1: Wales because I'm in the Blue Mountains. Yeah, and it
Speaker 1: made sense. She was one hundred percent right. And so
Speaker 1: it turned into UFO Research New South Wales, so instead
Speaker 1: of Sydney, it was New South Wales. And I was
Speaker 1: happy to hand over the books to her, but she refused,
Speaker 1: said no, no, no, you guys did it. It's just
Speaker 1: it's good to be for you to accept it and
Speaker 1: allow it and so on. So yeah, it worked out well.
Speaker 1: And then anyway, I got involved with that group, and
Speaker 1: I was involved for a while. Then I became a
Speaker 1: committee member, and I remember one day a couple of
Speaker 1: people in the crowd at a meeting, public meeting, they
Speaker 1: put their hand up and said, oh, you know, I've
Speaker 1: had these experiences. I don't know what they are, abduction experiences.
Speaker 1: And straight away they didn't want to know about it.
Speaker 1: The committee. All they were happy with is dealing with
Speaker 1: flights in the sky reports from the nineteen fifties and sixties.
Speaker 1: You know, oh there was a light in Gosford, you know,
Speaker 1: twenty years ago, and this is what it did, and
Speaker 1: so on. They weren't too interested in talking about the
Speaker 1: abduction field at all. And I remember sitting in on
Speaker 1: committee meetings where some people might send evidence in the
Speaker 1: form of a T shirt, say with stains on it,
Speaker 1: and say, look, I had these experiences and they put
Speaker 1: this liquid on me, and look at my shirt. It's
Speaker 1: been stained from that. And I've seen a committee member
Speaker 1: grab that shirt and throw it in the bin and
Speaker 1: make the comment, guys, you've got to admit these abductees
Speaker 1: are a strange group of people. So I went and
Speaker 1: grabbed that T shirt out of the bin and I've
Speaker 1: still got it to this day, and I'm talking from
Speaker 1: nineteen early nineties and I've still got it. I thought,
Speaker 1: you don't throw someone's evidence if you don't want to
Speaker 1: give it back to him, just mail it back to
Speaker 1: the person and say sorry, we can't do anything with this.
Speaker 1: So I started to see where they were, you know,
Speaker 1: where they their head was about that stuff, and they
Speaker 1: just didn't want to take it on board at all.
Speaker 1: So during that meeting where people put their hand up
Speaker 1: and said, oh, you know, I've had these experiences, committee
Speaker 1: members stand up and says, okay, we'll start abduction group
Speaker 1: AIL an abduction group, and Peter Cooury it can be
Speaker 1: the coordinator, he can run it. And I remember instantly
Speaker 1: standing up and put my AAA, hang on. I put
Speaker 1: my hand out like full stop, stop stop. I said
Speaker 1: to them, I don't know what I'm experiencing. I've just
Speaker 1: been told like a couple of weeks ago that this
Speaker 1: could be UFO alien stuff. I don't understand what I'm
Speaker 1: going through. How am I going to help anybody else?
Speaker 1: And they were like, oh, you probably understand it more.
Speaker 1: You know, you've you've been through it. Okay, So I
Speaker 1: became the coordinator for the abduction group. Now they didn't
Speaker 1: want to have a bar of it. They pushed it
Speaker 1: at arm's length, kept it completely separate from their meetings
Speaker 1: about UFOs and lights in the sky, and every now
Speaker 1: and then they get me to go up and just
Speaker 1: report cases, you know, people calling me and telling me
Speaker 1: their story, and they say, I'll just tell them, you know,
Speaker 1: share a couple of stories with us. Anyway, it bawled
Speaker 1: over to the point where Bud Hopkins, he was a
Speaker 1: pioneer in the field of abductions, AID and abduction's research,
Speaker 1: he came out to Australia. I had the pleasure of
Speaker 1: interviewing him before he gave his talk. Colleague of mine
Speaker 1: interviewed him when he gave his talk. It was all
Speaker 1: about abductions. So these committee members were like, oh shit,
Speaker 1: we got to get onto this. We've got to take
Speaker 1: control of this. So they tried to hijack the group
Speaker 1: from me, take it over, and they said to me overnight,
Speaker 1: they said, send us all the information you've gathered, send
Speaker 1: it all to us, give us people's contact numbers, everything.
Speaker 1: We're going to deal with it. And I was open
Speaker 1: minded to doing it because they were more experienced researchers.
Speaker 1: I thought, I thought they've been around for a while.
Speaker 1: But one of them made a comment and she was
Speaker 1: like vice president of the group. Her and another male
Speaker 1: actually formed it and all that. There was a lot
Speaker 1: of politics involved, but anyway, she actually made a comment
Speaker 1: at a public meeting and said, you know what, if
Speaker 1: your kids are experiencing this alien abduction stuff, just take
Speaker 1: them down to the Pentecostal church and let them run
Speaker 1: around the ass and they'll forget about it in no time.
Speaker 1: And I thought, well, great piece of advice. What if
Speaker 1: the parents don't want to go to church, what if
Speaker 1: they're Muslim, what if they're hind you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: You can't just tell people go to a Pentecostal church
Speaker 1: and run around the aisles and you'll be great, You'll
Speaker 1: feel great. So there come a time where all come
Speaker 1: to her head. And I decided after a committee meeting,
Speaker 1: I decided that no, I'm not going to give you
Speaker 1: the group handed over to you. I'm actually going to
Speaker 1: go away leave this group. I'm going to start my
Speaker 1: own group. And I went and seen the guy I
Speaker 1: interviewed Bud Hopkins with at eleven thirty at night. I
Speaker 1: dropped by his house on my way home and I
Speaker 1: walked open the door and I said to Mate, that's
Speaker 1: it done. Do you want to on board with me?
Speaker 1: And he said hundred percent. We started in the thirteenth
Speaker 1: of April nineteen ninety three. We started the UFA Experience
Speaker 1: Support Association, which was a nonprofit group, and we were
Speaker 1: fortunate enough that we were inundated with support. We had
Speaker 1: psychologists and psychiatrists, counselors, hypnotherapists, doctors, you know, like we had.
Speaker 1: Everybody wanted to jump on board. It was a good
Speaker 1: period because we had a lot a lot of support,
Speaker 1: professional support, and we started referring people to do regressions
Speaker 1: and we would pay for some of the regressions, if
Speaker 1: not all, the regressions. We'd pay for all of them,
Speaker 1: but sometimes we couldn't meet all of us. We'd share,
Speaker 1: we'd go three, we'd pay say seventy five percent, and
Speaker 1: they would pay twenty five. Because I didn't want to
Speaker 1: encourage people just to come and waste our money in
Speaker 1: the professionals' time and not input anything out of there,
Speaker 1: like not to cost them anything at all. And it
Speaker 1: wasn't a money making venture or anything. It was shared
Speaker 1: through different researches. It wasn't targeting, sending someone to make
Speaker 1: money from something was never about that. The reason I
Speaker 1: started the support group was to give other people like
Speaker 1: me a venue where they can contact people, talk to
Speaker 1: us and not feel judged. And we never judge. We
Speaker 1: just listened. That's all we did. Our therapy method was
Speaker 1: just listen. Whatever advice they ask you for, if you
Speaker 1: can offer it, If you can't, refer them to someone
Speaker 1: who can do a bit more work with them. That
Speaker 1: was all it was. And we had a really good
Speaker 1: success rate. I don't think I had you know, a
Speaker 1: person come and see us and walk away. God, this
Speaker 1: is bullshit. I don't believe this. You guys are great.
Speaker 1: I'd have couples come in with one of the partners
Speaker 1: having experienced the other one not, and you know what,
Speaker 1: lying in bed with someone and they're having an experience
Speaker 1: and they're trying to touch you, or to wake you up,
Speaker 1: or to get a reaction out of you, and they can't.
Speaker 1: You're just gone switched off. And then when you're back,
Speaker 1: you know, you're awake again, you're conscious, and they're telling
Speaker 1: you this story and you go, bullshit, I'm laying right
Speaker 1: next to you. I didn't see any I didn't feel anything.
Speaker 1: What are you talking about? I can understand that. And
Speaker 1: we'd have a lot of couples walk in with that
Speaker 1: mindset and I on was having an experience and the
Speaker 1: other one was just totally not wanting to know, not believing,
Speaker 1: and they'd walk out the door and they would shake
Speaker 1: my hand and say, Peter, I came here really angry,
Speaker 1: and I'm leaving with an open mind. You know, I
Speaker 1: will support her, I will do whatever. You know, we'll
Speaker 1: come back and attend more meetings. We had Late Line.
Speaker 1: I was at ABC Late Line or ABC, I mean
Speaker 1: not SBS ABC. They did a documentary when John Professor
Speaker 1: John Matt came out to Australia. He lectured at a
Speaker 1: hall where I spoke as well, and they came in
Speaker 1: a couple of days before and filmed the support group
Speaker 1: meeting at my house. And you know, people were saying
Speaker 1: how grateful they were just to have somewhere that they
Speaker 1: can turn to. So I started that and that was
Speaker 1: the first group of its kind in Australia. And I've
Speaker 1: got to say, look, I'm not bragging, but the fact
Speaker 1: is I was one of the first Australians to go
Speaker 1: public and put myself out there and make it. I
Speaker 1: was a big target because I'm talking early nineties. We
Speaker 1: didn't have the open minded that we have now in
Speaker 1: the social media that we have now and all the exposure.
Speaker 1: We didn't have the Senate inquiries. If anything, every media outlet,
Speaker 1: from radio, television, newspaper, every time they did a story
Speaker 1: on the UFO abduction topic, they would laugh it off
Speaker 1: at the end, snicker and laugh and make it out
Speaker 1: to be a joke. And I remember watching Oprah Winfrey
Speaker 1: Show once John macappeared on there with a couple of
Speaker 1: really credible witnesses. But another show she did was with
Speaker 1: couple who claimed to speak to aliens in their language,
Speaker 1: and they were blabbering and flabbering and making stupid things.
Speaker 1: And you know what, I was sitting here thinking to myself,
Speaker 1: I could catch them out. No, give me two minutes
Speaker 1: and I could catch these people out and tell you
Speaker 1: they're lying in And Oprah Winfrey after that show made
Speaker 1: the comment she said, I will never ever do another
Speaker 1: show on UFOs. And that's what these idiots do. They
Speaker 1: don't give us credibility, they take away from it. So
Speaker 1: what I would have done if I was Oprah, I
Speaker 1: would have got them to say the sentence and they
Speaker 1: were googling, you know, otle bit, you know, and they're saying, Oh,
Speaker 1: they're going to come and save us, And okay, you
Speaker 1: just said it in their language. Now can you repeat
Speaker 1: that same sentence, record them and see if the recording
Speaker 1: plays out the same. And I bet you it wouldn't.
Speaker 1: It'd be just you know, crap going on about bullshit.
Speaker 1: But anyway, that gets to me because the fake people
Speaker 1: of fraudulent people seem to get more airtime than the
Speaker 1: good people with good cases. Anyway, so we formed a
Speaker 1: support group. We started holding public meetings, started holding film nights,
Speaker 1: and we'd get full houses. There was a stage where
Speaker 1: we'd actually have double the number that we were allowed
Speaker 1: to have there. People would wouldn't mind sitting on the
Speaker 1: floor in the aisles or you know, ask us if
Speaker 1: we can put a second back to back Phil Knight
Speaker 1: or meeting just sow that ain't miss out. So it
Speaker 1: will become pretty popular and dominated the scene in Australia
Speaker 1: for a long time. And it got to a stage
Speaker 1: where my business changed, my income changed, and I couldn't pump,
Speaker 1: you know, put money, donate money or whatever to help
Speaker 1: out in that.
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Speaker 1: I got injured at work. I got attacked and I
Speaker 1: was nearly killed. This is in nineteen ninety two now,
Speaker 1: and I know I've been rambling on for a while
Speaker 1: about other things, but this is the most all my
Speaker 1: experiences to me are important. But this is an experience
Speaker 1: that brought it all to the four because of the
Speaker 1: evidence that it had. Although the mark on my head
Speaker 1: and the one on my shind from my eighty eight
Speaker 1: experience were there as physical, it couldn't be scientifically. Sort
Speaker 1: of chase that up too much. But in ninety ninety
Speaker 1: to I was working in May. I was working at
Speaker 1: a friend's house. He got married, he was on his honeymoon.
Speaker 1: He was my best man at my wedding. Were friends
Speaker 1: for twenty two years, best of friends. He was on
Speaker 1: his honeymoon. I was renovating, helping him fix his house.
Speaker 1: Saved him about, you know, fifty five sixty thousand dollars
Speaker 1: in building work. And as I was working there, his
Speaker 1: dad wanted me to do work at his house. It
Speaker 1: was Duli kipency, which meant the house was stuck together
Speaker 1: with for wall down the middle split in the two houses.
Speaker 1: And he wanted a lot of work done for very
Speaker 1: little money. And I sort of said, it's going to
Speaker 1: cost you six times what you're offering. I can't do it.
Speaker 1: I'm too busy anyway, So he went and got other
Speaker 1: people and told them, oh, Peter was going to do
Speaker 1: the job for five thousand, I'll give it to you
Speaker 1: for five thousand, five hundred And they started to do
Speaker 1: the job and then realized they couldn't do it, and
Speaker 1: they went to rend Us. He met render a painted
Speaker 1: wall and the paint kept falling off. So I had
Speaker 1: to go over and show them how to do it,
Speaker 1: prepared it for and fixed it. So I went out
Speaker 1: of my way to help. And then as I left
Speaker 1: for three days and had to come back and pick
Speaker 1: up my tools and finish one little section. As I
Speaker 1: walked up the driveway, one of them says to me,
Speaker 1: are you stupid? Like what are you talking about? And
Speaker 1: he's like, you were going to do this job for
Speaker 1: five thousand dollars And I said, no, mate, I was
Speaker 1: going to do that job for twenty five thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: Oh maybe when he told you, you didn't hear the
Speaker 1: twenty you just heard five. And as I was saying that,
Speaker 1: there was a guy that one of the partners, this
Speaker 1: guy's partner that was questioning me, was washing some tools
Speaker 1: in a bucket at a tap and he was maybe
Speaker 1: about I don't know, eight meters away from me, less
Speaker 1: than ten meters. And as I'm saying, no, mate, you
Speaker 1: probably misheard him, I said twenty five. All I see
Speaker 1: is the guy launched a knife at me, and it
Speaker 1: hit me straight in my chest above my heart and
Speaker 1: wedged in my chest. So I looked at I look there,
Speaker 1: I must see a knife sticking out of my chest.
Speaker 1: And instead of like I've been concerned to leave it,
Speaker 1: let the doctors pull it out or something, I pulled
Speaker 1: it out straight away, and I threw it on the
Speaker 1: other side of my ute, my tray lane car. I
Speaker 1: threw it over so they couldn't get to it, and
Speaker 1: took a couple of steps towards the guy. He picked
Speaker 1: up a shovel. This is the guy who threw the
Speaker 1: knife at me. He picked up a shovel and swung
Speaker 1: at me, and I blocked it. He dropped the shovel
Speaker 1: and ran from behind. I didn't even see it come in.
Speaker 1: Another guy he had a long, longer shovel, and he
Speaker 1: just swung it over his shoulder, straight on the top
Speaker 1: of my head. Not flat edged, mind you, not at
Speaker 1: the base of you know, like at the flat end
Speaker 1: of the shovel, sharp edged. So I copped that corn
Speaker 1: over that shovel on the edge, right on my head.
Speaker 1: Second hit got me. By that time, I turned around
Speaker 1: and I saw the third swing was the shovel was
Speaker 1: up in the air coming down at me. So I
Speaker 1: blocked it, fractured my thumb in the process. He dropped
Speaker 1: the shovel and I grabbed him. I grabbed him by
Speaker 1: the shoulders. I had no strength. My knees went from
Speaker 1: under me. I thought I was going to die. I
Speaker 1: thought my head was I had blood anyway. As I
Speaker 1: grabbed onto his shoulders, like grabbed him by the shirt,
Speaker 1: I felt my knees go and I thought, I can't
Speaker 1: even throw a punchy go or head butt this guy
Speaker 1: or anything. I'm just going to drop. And I knew
Speaker 1: it was coming, so he's as I started to drop
Speaker 1: my knees went from under me. He grabbed the top
Speaker 1: of my head and pulled it and when he pulled it,
Speaker 1: it was like a fountain. Blood just shot out everywhere,
Speaker 1: covered me and him in blood. And so one of
Speaker 1: the guys that was with me in laborer, he ran
Speaker 1: in and pushed him away and grabbed him and he goes,
Speaker 1: you you're going to kill him, And the guy says,
Speaker 1: what do you think we're trying to do? Like there
Speaker 1: was an attempted murder. Anyway, cops get called. I walked
Speaker 1: down the driveway, I'm on the main road. I'm passing
Speaker 1: out like this, I'm covered in blood. I'm passing out,
Speaker 1: massive head injury and up in the ambulance. Now, when
Speaker 1: the coppers got there, they diverted some detectives from a
Speaker 1: drug raid. And when they got there, two detectives walked
Speaker 1: up the drive and they said they could see a
Speaker 1: die washing red liquid off him what allegedly could have
Speaker 1: been blood. They can't actually say, oh, yeah, it was
Speaker 1: blood because they didn't test it or see where it
Speaker 1: came from. So they said it looked like blood, but
Speaker 1: it could have been paint. But he was washing his
Speaker 1: hands and that was the guy who hit me from behind. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I'm in the back of an ambulance, gone to the hospital,
Speaker 1: and I'm passing out and coming to and it was
Speaker 1: two females, one driving, one in the back with me.
Speaker 1: And I can hear them saying, what a shame a
Speaker 1: young guy this like, look how young he is, and
Speaker 1: he's a hairline away from death. And that's what I
Speaker 1: could hear. When I'm lucked out, I couldn't speak say anything,
Speaker 1: you know, just listening to this, and I'll come in
Speaker 1: and out of consciousness. Anyway, I get taken a hospital.
Speaker 1: They shaved half my head, you know, and they stitch
Speaker 1: me up or whatever. And then two detectives go to
Speaker 1: my wife's my wife's work and pick her up. We
Speaker 1: got married in nineteen ninety years, so this is ninety
Speaker 1: two and now we're married for two years. They'd go,
Speaker 1: two female detectives picked her up, and she actually they
Speaker 1: went and spoke to her boss first, and then her
Speaker 1: boss spoke to her, so it was very official. So
Speaker 1: she thought I was dead. She thought, whatever happened to me,
Speaker 1: I was dead, And these female detectives take it to
Speaker 1: see my body, you know, or identify me or whatever.
Speaker 1: So all the way to the hospital, which would have
Speaker 1: been probably fifteen minute drive, She's like, my husband's dead,
Speaker 1: isn't he And they're like, look, we don't know. He's
Speaker 1: badly injured. We don't know where he's at at the moment.
Speaker 1: We haven't been updated. When we get there, you'll find out.
Speaker 1: So she walked in the room expecting to see me,
Speaker 1: you know, probably dead or dying. And that changed our lives.
Speaker 1: That incident actually changed our lives. And I remember my
Speaker 1: mate had come back from his honeymoon and he walked
Speaker 1: into the hospital and instead of asking me, Apete, are
Speaker 1: you okay? What did they do? You know, I'm going
Speaker 1: to go off. I'm going to smash them. That's what
Speaker 1: I would have done, or said, mate, anyone hurt you,
Speaker 1: I'm going to go and pay them back. But nah,
Speaker 1: his first question he asked. He didn't even like ask
Speaker 1: my wife. This was my best man at my wedding,
Speaker 1: you know, like family. He didn't say to my wife
Speaker 1: you are you okay? Do you need anything? You know, Pete,
Speaker 1: are you okay? Nothing? He just walked in and said,
Speaker 1: what are you going to do about my father? Because
Speaker 1: his father was the one that instigated it. All, and
Speaker 1: I said, tell your father to tell the truth, and
Speaker 1: he's got nothing to worry about. So when it went
Speaker 1: to court, my best mate's father stood up as a
Speaker 1: witness and said, I get sand in my eyes. I
Speaker 1: go blind. I see nothing in that accent. I see nothing.
Speaker 1: And the magistrate said, I don't accept your version of events.
Speaker 1: I think you're lying. Get out of the court. Remove
Speaker 1: him out of the court. So he didn't even tell
Speaker 1: the truth, you know, and that really pissed me off.
Speaker 1: Since that day, I have not spoken to my ex friend,
Speaker 1: ex best man since that day. We've never said a
Speaker 1: word to each other ever since. I'm not one to
Speaker 1: hold grudges like that. I can't forgive, but there's some
Speaker 1: things that are unforgivable. But anyway, so I was going
Speaker 1: through a lot of health issues, you know, like migrain's headaches.
Speaker 1: I was on medication, painkillers so on. So I wasn't
Speaker 1: working and for three years I didn't work, and it
Speaker 1: puts such a strain. We had just got a mortgage,
Speaker 1: and it puts such a strain on our marriage, you know,
Speaker 1: on our life on. But you know, she stuck solid
Speaker 1: at that time, and she'd go to work and we'd
Speaker 1: have to go up to the service station and give
Speaker 1: them a ten dollars silver coin that I had and
Speaker 1: get a ten dollar note so she can pay for
Speaker 1: a train ticket to get to work, you know, until
Speaker 1: we get a next paycheck. Then i'd go by that
Speaker 1: ten dollar silver thing back from the service station. Anyway,
Speaker 1: July twenty third, nine ninety two, I get up to
Speaker 1: take my wife driver to the station. I'm not feeling
Speaker 1: sick at all. I'd jump out of bed. You don't
Speaker 1: get out, jump in the car. She jumps in the car.
Speaker 1: We take off. I drive out of my driveway. I
Speaker 1: turned right, heading to there's like four houses, and then
Speaker 1: there's a crossroad and I've got to turn left. As
Speaker 1: I turned left into that street head into the station,
Speaker 1: I started to feel sick. Now, when I say sick,
Speaker 1: I started to feel nauseous. I really wanted to vomit instant.
Speaker 1: It just came up as soon as I pulled out
Speaker 1: on my street. And now the further I got from
Speaker 1: my house heading towards the train station, the more sick
Speaker 1: I felt, and the more I started vomiting. I was
Speaker 1: vomiting liquid yellow and green in color. Sometimes it had
Speaker 1: come out as yellow. Sometimes it had come out as green.
Speaker 1: Look that the drive from my house to the station,
Speaker 1: I reckon four minutes, four minutes at max. I could
Speaker 1: speed a little bit and make it in three. I reckon,
Speaker 1: but let's say four minutes. I must have stopped twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five times on the way. And the further I
Speaker 1: got from home, the more regularly. Like at first, it started,
Speaker 1: every say, fifteen to twenty meters, I'll stop and vomit.
Speaker 1: As I got closer to this, it'd be like every
Speaker 1: two meters, or you know, every five meters, i'd stop,
Speaker 1: move it a little bit a couple of meters, and then
Speaker 1: i'd stop, open the door again, and all this liquid.
Speaker 1: I don't know where it was coming from so much. Anyway,
Speaker 1: i'd dropped her off. She said, look, go home, lie down.
Speaker 1: If you still stick, go see your doctor. She leaves.
Speaker 1: I come home, and I'm getting sick. I'm vomiting on
Speaker 1: the way back home. But I noticed the closer I
Speaker 1: got to my house, the less frequent I would stop
Speaker 1: and vomit. And then when I came into my street,
Speaker 1: I didn't have to pull up. I didn't vomit anyway
Speaker 1: in my street, And as I pulled into my driveway.
Speaker 1: I felt fine, so I opened my front door, walking
Speaker 1: to my room, getting in under the put the quilt
Speaker 1: over me. And this probably would have been now five
Speaker 1: past ten past seven in the morning, and I'm lying
Speaker 1: in bed. I wasn't asleep. I was just lying there
Speaker 1: and I was thinking about why did I get so
Speaker 1: sick and now I'm not sick anymore? You know, I
Speaker 1: couldn't figure that out. And as I'm thinking that through
Speaker 1: in my head, I felt like something sat on my
Speaker 1: bed and I felt indentation in the mattress. I felt it.
Speaker 1: It was no doubt something or someone just sat on
Speaker 1: my bed so caught my attention. I went to sit
Speaker 1: up because I thought to myself, Okay, we don't have
Speaker 1: any pets. When I opened the door, did a cat
Speaker 1: sneak in? And I didn't realize because you know, I
Speaker 1: was thinking about this vomiting thing. Maybe I didn't realize.
Speaker 1: So when I sat up in my bed, I expected
Speaker 1: to be under the quilts, move the quilts off me,
Speaker 1: to sit up and maybe see a cat or a dog.
Speaker 1: Even I don't know the least I expected to see
Speaker 1: what was what I saw. My eyes are open. I
Speaker 1: sit up, and as I sit up, I'm no longer
Speaker 1: under the quilt. I'm on top and there's a female straddler,
Speaker 1: mere naked female sitting on top of me, completely naked, milky,
Speaker 1: milky white skin. Not a fault in a skin. I
Speaker 1: didn't see a mole. I didn't see a scratch. I
Speaker 1: didn't see a scar. Perfect skin, milky white in color,
Speaker 1: very very tall, and perfection. Perfection. Her body was just
Speaker 1: perfection anyway. She had a beautiful face, flawless again, whitish,
Speaker 1: flimsy hair. When I say flimsy, I don't mean hardly
Speaker 1: any hair on her. She had hair. It was thick,
Speaker 1: but when you look at the hair itself, it looked transparent.
Speaker 1: It looked see through, It looked That's why I say flimsy.
Speaker 1: You know, it didn't look solid like our hair does.
Speaker 1: It was sort of blowing back, and I compared it
Speaker 1: to Farri Faucet Majors from Charlie's Angels. How her hair,
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes that Chine would be blowing back a
Speaker 1: little bit and whitish in color, blondie white. She had.
Speaker 1: Her eyes were probably twice the size of human eyes.
Speaker 1: But when she reacted to what I did her eyes
Speaker 1: must have opened bigger, like even a human being. When
Speaker 1: you're shot and you open your eyes, they look bigger
Speaker 1: sometimes I say two to three times bigger than a
Speaker 1: human's eyes. Yeah, because when she was shocked, that did
Speaker 1: look like that, but maybe twice, just a bit bigger
Speaker 1: than twice the size. So very large eyes blue in color, beautiful,
Speaker 1: the most beautifulest blue you've ever seen. Her nose, she
Speaker 1: had a longer nose, not a big nose, because her
Speaker 1: face was elongated. She had protruding cheekbones. It was sort
Speaker 1: of thinned in at the bottom of the cheeks and
Speaker 1: then down to a chin. The chin wasn't pointed like
Speaker 1: a witch's chin, but it wasn't wide. It did narrow
Speaker 1: down a bit to a point to chin. I didn't
Speaker 1: see teeth or anything, but the lips were absolutely perfect lips, beautiful,
Speaker 1: absolutely stunning female. I noticed on the right side of
Speaker 1: the bed, like at my waist level, between my waist
Speaker 1: and my knees, aye around my thigh area. On the
Speaker 1: side of the bed was another female and she was
Speaker 1: Asian looking, darker, skin shorter, and she looked like she
Speaker 1: had a bit of a belly too. At the I
Speaker 1: thought oh, she's pregnant, but the way she was sitting
Speaker 1: it might have, you know, pushed it out a bit.
Speaker 1: She had like a black hair cage boy style cart
Speaker 1: you know, across the forehead, Asian looking skin color. Her
Speaker 1: eyes looked more like human to it than the other
Speaker 1: one did. But I could see a lot of black
Speaker 1: in her eyes. I could just see a little bit
Speaker 1: of whites on either end. Normal face, you know, normal features,
Speaker 1: normal mouth, everything. She was sitting down with her legs
Speaker 1: crossed under, not crossed, but bent behind her. So she
Speaker 1: was sitting down her butt on her calfs, and at
Speaker 1: one stage she was grabbing her ankles, like had both
Speaker 1: hands around her ankles. And at another time I saw
Speaker 1: her she had her hands on her knees clutched. The
Speaker 1: blonde female that was straddling me, I noticed when I
Speaker 1: sat up. When I first reacted to her, and I
Speaker 1: sat up, I went to sit up. I saw my
Speaker 1: astral body, or you could call it my soul. I
Speaker 1: saw it sit up. It just moved and sat I
Speaker 1: saw this transparent image of me, like a glass image
Speaker 1: of me, sit up, and it was between me and
Speaker 1: this female. And I'm looking at this thing. I could
Speaker 1: tell it was an image of me. And then through
Speaker 1: that image, I could see that blonde I could see
Speaker 1: her on the other side, So it was a fully
Speaker 1: transparent image. But I could tell that was me, you know,
Speaker 1: it was the soul. I don't know. All of a
Speaker 1: sudden I caught up and my physical body and my
Speaker 1: astral body became one again. And the second that happened,
Speaker 1: she cut the back of my head with both her hands.
Speaker 1: She locked her hands fingers together, cut the back of
Speaker 1: my head and brought me towards her left breast and
Speaker 1: buried my face in her breast. So I put my hands,
Speaker 1: both my hands against her body around a tummy area,
Speaker 1: and I pushed away and I was able to push away.
Speaker 1: Once again, she pushed my face back to her left
Speaker 1: breast and buried my face a bit deeper, like harder
Speaker 1: in there. Tried to push away, tried to push away,
Speaker 1: and then I had to foot use a bit of
Speaker 1: force to pull away. I was able to move back.
Speaker 1: Then the third time she did it, she pushed my
Speaker 1: face in her left breast and just buried my face
Speaker 1: in there. And I tried to push try. She was
Speaker 1: super strong. I could not push away from her and
Speaker 1: my face was buried like, I couldn't breathe. My nose
Speaker 1: was covered, my mouth was covered. I'm claustrophobic at the
Speaker 1: best of time. Look, I've been through robberies. I've had
Speaker 1: three times. I've had cho guns to my head, one shotgun,
Speaker 1: a revolver, and a pistol at three different times. Should
Speaker 1: have been killed, but luckily I wasn't. I think I've
Speaker 1: got good guardian angels. When she buried my face the
Speaker 1: third time, I just couldn't breathe. I was struggling to breathe.
Speaker 1: And when it's claustrophobia for me, it hits me quick.
Speaker 1: It's not like I can you know, I'll relax through
Speaker 1: a word, I'll meditate it. No, no, no, no, it's
Speaker 1: pretty bad anxiety. So I couldn't breathe. I couldn't push
Speaker 1: away from her. I panicked and while my face was
Speaker 1: buried in there, you know, a breast in my nose,
Speaker 1: in my mouth, and I opened my mouth and I
Speaker 1: just pinched off my teeth like you would pinch with
Speaker 1: your fingers. There was just a little pinch on the
Speaker 1: skin to let me go, you know, let me breathe.
Speaker 1: And I was still trying to push away, and I couldn't.
Speaker 1: But as soon as I pinched her with my teeth,
Speaker 1: she let go, and she had this shocked look about her,
Speaker 1: and that's where her eyes opened up and looked massive,
Speaker 1: and she looked over at the Asian looking female, and
Speaker 1: there was telepathic communication, instant telepathic communication, and it was
Speaker 1: he's done me strung. Something's gone wrong. This isn't like
Speaker 1: the last time he's done me strung. Something's gone wrong.
Speaker 1: And here I am sitting there, freaking out and thinking
Speaker 1: what last time? What the last time? You know? And
Speaker 1: as I'm doing that, I look at her and I
Speaker 1: don't see any mark on her, any blood, any cut.
Speaker 1: I didn't see anything where I took that little nip that,
Speaker 1: of course, But as soon as I took a nip
Speaker 1: of you pinched off my teeth and pulled away from her,
Speaker 1: I felt in the back of my throat, poured acid
Speaker 1: down the back of my throat, and it was burning
Speaker 1: like you would not believe. So I had this coughing fit,
Speaker 1: and I'm coughing. But then I'll see I can hear
Speaker 1: them communicating telepathically, and then she turns her attention to me,
Speaker 1: and I get a telepathic download, and it was basically
Speaker 1: things about my marriage future. I knew my marriage was
Speaker 1: going to come to an end at a certain time.
Speaker 1: I was told something about portals being opening in the future,
Speaker 1: twenty five years in the future, which would have put
Speaker 1: it what twenty seventeen, and I think that's when these
Speaker 1: things started happening. Hydro Colida and all this stuff opening.
Speaker 1: Crazy things are happening around the world. That's why we're
Speaker 1: seeing crazy where they were seeing crazy, crazy sort of
Speaker 1: creatures that were never seeing in our world, and now
Speaker 1: they're appearing and people are seeing them and reporting them.
Speaker 1: You know, I got told this would happen years ago,
Speaker 1: and I spoke about it years ago and said that
Speaker 1: in the future, you know, there will be these portals
Speaker 1: that and it'll bring things into our world that we've
Speaker 1: never seen before. You know, some are good, some are bad. Anyway,
Speaker 1: So I'm getting these coughing fits now, and they're really
Speaker 1: really hurting me. Like the way I'm coughing, it's hurting
Speaker 1: my throat, it's hurting my internal organs, and that I'm
Speaker 1: heavily coughing. I look up, they're gone, vanished. I didn't
Speaker 1: see them leave. I didn't see them come into the room.
Speaker 1: I didn't see them leave the room. I don't know
Speaker 1: how they got in or out, but just sat there
Speaker 1: for a couple of seconds, thinking what the hell just happened?
Speaker 1: And then I had the urge to use the bathroom.
Speaker 1: But before that, I thought, I'll go in the kitchen,
Speaker 1: I'll drink some water, eat some lebonese bread, thinking that
Speaker 1: whatever's in there, it'll absorb it. The bread will absorb
Speaker 1: and the water will wash it down. But as soon
Speaker 1: as I the water went down and hit the back
Speaker 1: of my throat, it was like you added fuel to
Speaker 1: the fire and it just erupted and the coughing would
Speaker 1: non stop for twenty minutes, and every time i'd cough,
Speaker 1: I'd cough for ten to twenty minutes straight. And by
Speaker 1: that time this lasted for three days, and at the
Speaker 1: end of it, my organs, every organ in my body
Speaker 1: muscle was ache insamon. You cough for twenty minutes at
Speaker 1: a time twice and you'll see you'll have how you feel.
Speaker 1: But I did this for three days, and every time
Speaker 1: I wouldn't cough all day, they'd be you know, an
Speaker 1: hour I wouldn't But once I coughed it'd be a
Speaker 1: ten to twenty minute cough. Anyway, tried to wash it down,
Speaker 1: it made it even worse. Got the urge to go
Speaker 1: to the bathroom. Went to the bathroom. And any man
Speaker 1: will tell you when they go to pe, you get
Speaker 1: a build up, then you get release. And as soon
Speaker 1: as I felt the build up, it felt like something
Speaker 1: had slashed my penis with one hundred raizors, like I
Speaker 1: had one hundred slashes, and it was burning so much.
Speaker 1: And when I had a look, I could see there
Speaker 1: were two hairs. One was like half wrapped around and
Speaker 1: one was like an s down the shark. But if
Speaker 1: you grab your fingernail and stick it in your skin
Speaker 1: and your hand, back of your hand or something, and
Speaker 1: you get that indentation, it goes a bit deeper into you.
Speaker 1: That's how they were on my private area. They were
Speaker 1: embedded in. They weren't just hairs sitting there and aren't
Speaker 1: just oh I put fall outer. These were embedded in.
Speaker 1: They weren't going anywhere unless they were removed, either by
Speaker 1: me or by a surgeon. Say so, as I'm in
Speaker 1: the bathroom, I can feel a slashing feeling. It looks
Speaker 1: like I've been cut and then I thought, okay, it
Speaker 1: must be the way these are dug into my flesh,
Speaker 1: you know, So I went to remove them. I started
Speaker 1: to try and remove the one wrapped around first because
Speaker 1: it was a smaller one, and I had tears running
Speaker 1: down my face, my eyes, I was crying. It was
Speaker 1: excruciating pain. It was one of the worst planes I
Speaker 1: felt in that area. And I tell you, I did
Speaker 1: kickboxing and other martial arts. I got kicked in the
Speaker 1: that region and one of my child making devices actually
Speaker 1: swelled up like a bigger than a tennis ball, you know,
Speaker 1: And I've felt pain down there, but it was nothing
Speaker 1: like this. This was just absolute pain. And so anyway,
Speaker 1: eventually got as I was taking them off. Actually I
Speaker 1: had tears running down my face. I was crying. Got
Speaker 1: managed to take them off, and straight away I'll put
Speaker 1: him in a plastic bag because I knew the night
Speaker 1: before my wife went to sleep, I had a shower,
Speaker 1: I went to sleep, nothing happened between us. We fell
Speaker 1: asleep and that was it. So I knew that these
Speaker 1: hairs had to be from what happened to me that morning.
Speaker 1: So I put him in a plastic bag, put a
Speaker 1: note on it the date at the time. You know
Speaker 1: what happened to females, one Asian, one blonde looking, and
Speaker 1: I just kept them And about nine nine o'clock quart
Speaker 1: a past nine, so I called my wife at work
Speaker 1: and we're talking, you know, for like a minute, and
Speaker 1: then she says to me, who am I talking to?
Speaker 1: I said, it's your husband, Pete, aren't. She goes, I'm
Speaker 1: got Pete. I can't even recognize your voice. And I said, yeah,
Speaker 1: I've been coughing. Maybe that's why. And as I'm talking
Speaker 1: to her, mind you, I'd break into out coughing, and
Speaker 1: I'd cough for a while and I'd have to stop
Speaker 1: and try and get a word intill it. Just give
Speaker 1: me a few minutes. And I said to her, I said, look,
Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you what happened to me. When
Speaker 1: I tell you relate this coughing fits to her, I'm
Speaker 1: going to tell you. She goes, okay, so she come home.
Speaker 1: What happened. I'm not ready to talk about it yet, okay. No.
Speaker 1: Aries took me three weeks to get the courage. I
Speaker 1: think it was in August around the twenty first or
Speaker 1: twenty or twenty first that I got the courage and
Speaker 1: I did feel guilty. I got to admit. You know,
Speaker 1: how you're going to tell your partner how two females
Speaker 1: in your room appeared and disappeared? You can't explain. One
Speaker 1: thing I did to mention was the blonde towards the
Speaker 1: end or at one stage she touched her stomach and
Speaker 1: pointed up to the sky. I didn't know what that
Speaker 1: meant at the time, but later on speaking to people,
Speaker 1: and I said, would have been telling you she's going
Speaker 1: to be before she's pregnant, or we'll be pregnant, she'll have
Speaker 1: a child up there, whatever. But I just thought I
Speaker 1: pointed out because down the track it was, you know,
Speaker 1: relate to me that way. But anyway, it took me
Speaker 1: three weeks to tell her what happened. When I did,
Speaker 1: her reaction just shocked me. She was just so totally
Speaker 1: open minded about it, and she was like Peter. She said, look,
Speaker 1: you drove me to the station. You were sick as
Speaker 1: a dog, you were vomiting all the way. She said,
Speaker 1: there's no way you're going to go home after being
Speaker 1: sick and vomiting and walking at seven in the morning
Speaker 1: and call a girl hookers or some people have accused
Speaker 1: me of calling prostitutes over. Yeah, I've just been vomiting.
Speaker 1: The next thing I want to do is have two
Speaker 1: girls here to kiss and whatever after I've vomited. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, I think about that. Some of the explanations
Speaker 1: to explain my story are far more crazier than my
Speaker 1: story itself. But anyway, so her reaction was like, you
Speaker 1: didn't instigate it, you didn't invite him in there. They
Speaker 1: did it. You're a victim. And I never looked at
Speaker 1: it that way. I never thought about it that way.
Speaker 1: And I have a lot of people now when I
Speaker 1: did podcasts, they comment and they say Peter was a
Speaker 1: sexual assault victim. And I don't know if I can
Speaker 1: use the word, maybe I'll use grape instead of the word.
Speaker 1: You know, it was a sexual assault thing and whatever.
Speaker 1: So after discussing it with her, she accepted it moved on.
Speaker 1: You know, it was experienced that I had a couple
Speaker 1: of years later, there were two female producers here and
Speaker 1: they wanted to do a film documentary film about my case,
Speaker 1: and they were in my house talking. I had Bill
Speaker 1: Chalker here as well. He was the one who wrote
Speaker 1: the book Here of the Alien. As we're talking, they
Speaker 1: were more interested in buying these T shirts that I
Speaker 1: had to give to the producers at Channel seven who
Speaker 1: were gonna roll with this film. The T shirt had
Speaker 1: about twenty faces of an alien and it says the
Speaker 1: many moods of an Alien, but it was just one face,
Speaker 1: one expression. It was funny for the time. As we're talking,
Speaker 1: I could one of them just piked up and said,
Speaker 1: you know what, Pete, if this is really happening to
Speaker 1: people and it's a real thing, there should be physical evidence.
Speaker 1: She goes, you know in rape cases, assault cases, and
Speaker 1: that there's always evidence, whether it's blood, skin, hair, semen.
Speaker 1: I said, and I'm glad she said hair, because I said,
Speaker 1: do you want to see evidence, I'll show you evidence.
Speaker 1: I walked, walked into another room, grabbed a sample, walked
Speaker 1: out and showed it to her. And to her she looked,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, she read the note on there. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: two hairs in there. Bill Chalker, who's got a scientific background,
Speaker 1: his ears pricked up. Now. Bill had written two books.
Speaker 1: One was The OS Files, released in the nineties, I think,
Speaker 1: and then Hair of the Alien, which was released in
Speaker 1: two thousand and five. My nineteen eighty eight experience is
Speaker 1: in the ODS files. Bill wrote it up in the
Speaker 1: OS files, so he was very aware of my eighty
Speaker 1: eight experience. So he's sitting here and he's like, Peter,
Speaker 1: why haven't you told me about this ninety two case
Speaker 1: with the sample? I said, Bill, my nineteen eighty eight story,
Speaker 1: he's a can of worms. This is something else altogether,
Speaker 1: like and you know, if I didn't have the evidence,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have gone public with that story because I
Speaker 1: know they're going to sexualize it straight away and make
Speaker 1: out like it's fantasies and so on, fancas in the
Speaker 1: mind whatever. So anyway, I said, yeah, I made it.
Speaker 1: You know, it happened, and this is the samples I got.
Speaker 1: And he was like, okay, you know, let me do
Speaker 1: some work and I'll see what I come up with.
Speaker 1: And it took six years. I got a pall from
Speaker 1: him and he asked me if I was interested in
Speaker 1: having the hair tested, and I said, yeah, sure, I'd
Speaker 1: love to. And I had the other group that I
Speaker 1: was involved in. They came and interviewed me and myself,
Speaker 1: my wife, the guy I started, Jamie, his name was
Speaker 1: the guy started the support group with and his partner.
Speaker 1: We decided we didn't trust that group much, but we
Speaker 1: wanted the case sort of document it somehow by a researcher.
Speaker 1: But we made some minor changes. We didn't mention the hair,
Speaker 1: but we noted it. We wrote, we wrote a letter
Speaker 1: and four of us signed it that we would make
Speaker 1: some changes. We won't tell them that the whole truth
Speaker 1: to the story. It was just to have something documented
Speaker 1: to say that, yes, it was looked that. When Bill
Speaker 1: called me and said he had a you know, it's
Speaker 1: called the Invisible College APEG, a nominally physical evidence group.
Speaker 1: He had some people work who worked for CSIRO at
Speaker 1: the time, and they were at the tail end of
Speaker 1: the careers, and you know, they were interested in working
Speaker 1: on made and abduction stuff. And he said, these people
Speaker 1: are willing to test your sample if you want to
Speaker 1: take the risk. I said, risk, I know exactly where
Speaker 1: that sample came from. Mate yep, come and take it.
Speaker 1: So they came and took the sample, did some tests,
Speaker 1: came back, took a hair sample from my partner, took
Speaker 1: sample from me, got a couple of phone calls back
Speaker 1: saying that they're finding some really unusual DNA and what
Speaker 1: they basically found there was three stages to the testing
Speaker 1: and they tested the root. Lucky for me when I
Speaker 1: when I retrieved these hair samples, one of the samples
Speaker 1: had a root and it was the very thing flimsy,
Speaker 1: and I assumed it was from blonde. I knew it
Speaker 1: was from the blonde. The other hair that was shorter.
Speaker 1: To me with the naked eye, it looked thicker, it
Speaker 1: looked darker, definitely thicker and darker, and I thought it
Speaker 1: was from the Asian female. I thought I got a
Speaker 1: sample from each one. But Bill assures me they looked
Speaker 1: under the microscope whatever, and they reckon it could be
Speaker 1: one piece with the other. I said, I can't understand
Speaker 1: that because the pitch I have in my head is
Speaker 1: one was transparent, the other one wasn't and it was darker,
Speaker 1: you know, like I still believe that. And anyway, we
Speaker 1: can't agree on everything, I guess, but yeah, what they
Speaker 1: found was in the root of the hair they found
Speaker 1: the rarest a rare basque Gaelic DNA like blonde, Scandinavian,
Speaker 1: tall blue eyes, fair skin light skin lightish hair, whether
Speaker 1: it was red or blonde or white whatever. They came
Speaker 1: across all this stuff. And then when they tested the
Speaker 1: shaft of the hair, which should have yielded the same
Speaker 1: DNA sequence. They found the rarest Chinese mitochondrial DNA, which
Speaker 1: is like, I think there's like four people on the
Speaker 1: planet or something like that that have something similar or
Speaker 1: close to it. Very rare, very rare. And when I
Speaker 1: spoke about this in nineteen ninety three, I had a
Speaker 1: panel of people experts come out sit down at it
Speaker 1: across the table. I sat on a chair across from them,
Speaker 1: and they bombarded me with questions and taking notes and
Speaker 1: so on. And I remember saying to I'm clearly saying
Speaker 1: to them, whoever made these beans made them for a reason.
Speaker 1: And they're like, what do you mean? And I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: I think they were made to breed with us. They
Speaker 1: were made to have babies, you know, to create made
Speaker 1: that comment, you know, just to throw it out there,
Speaker 1: but I didn't realize the implications later. I didn't know
Speaker 1: about cloning, cloning. Wasn't even happy. I think Dolly the
Speaker 1: sheep was cloned. What ninety three and then things started.
Speaker 1: The Aelians claimed to claim the baby. Bill Clinton, as president,
Speaker 1: put a five year ban on human cloning, which I
Speaker 1: think expired a long time before the five years, and
Speaker 1: I think there are clones being made anyway, that's another issue.
Speaker 1: So they found two different DNAs in the one hair,
Speaker 1: which obviously can suggest cloning techniques here. And then about
Speaker 1: six months after they released these results, there was an
Speaker 1: article in a scientific journal that was talking about hair
Speaker 1: implants and splicing the hairs and putting them in and
Speaker 1: so on. And then the scientists were also interested in
Speaker 1: my scoop mark he'll so quickly, and they said to me,
Speaker 1: if it ever happens again, and it's red, draw take
Speaker 1: a swab, you know, take a sample, secure it. And
Speaker 1: they said it could revolutionize surgery if it he'll so
Speaker 1: quick without stitches. And about six months after that, liquid
Speaker 1: band aid come out. And when I first saw liquid
Speaker 1: band aid, I thought, maybe that's not going to help
Speaker 1: you heal quicker, but it'll seal the wound. So all
Speaker 1: this stuff was happening just before things came out. Like
Speaker 1: I was talking about this, not knowing where it was going,
Speaker 1: but just mentioning it. So they found, Yeah, they found
Speaker 1: two different DNAs, one blonde scanner look in the other
Speaker 1: one Asian, the rarest of its kind lineage, and in
Speaker 1: the one hair. And then they did a nuclear testing
Speaker 1: for the hair and they found a c c R
Speaker 1: five gene dilution, which if you don't have that gene,
Speaker 1: you're not susceptible to sexually transmitted diseases or you know,
Speaker 1: chicken pox, measles, HIV. And it wasn't just one deletion,
Speaker 1: there was two deletionions, so it made it more interesting.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it caught the attention of some of the
Speaker 1: scientific community, not everyone, because a lot of people, you know,
Speaker 1: unless it's perief, you dud. And you know what, I
Speaker 1: wish there were enough people out there to pre review it,
Speaker 1: to write it up in a journal somewhere, But it
Speaker 1: did appear in the International UFA Reporter on the front
Speaker 1: page with the case and the DNA testing report, and
Speaker 1: it was one of their best sellers for that in
Speaker 1: the history. I didn't need any of those results to
Speaker 1: prove to me what happened, but it actually strengthened my case.
Speaker 1: It gave me something to ground it in. I had
Speaker 1: the courage to go and speak out before the testing happened.
Speaker 1: It seemed that the testing supported my version of events
Speaker 1: that there must have been a noughty looking female and
Speaker 1: an Asian female in my room. Otherwise, how would I
Speaker 1: obtain those hess that the samples, like, where can I
Speaker 1: get it from? You can't go out of Sydney and
Speaker 1: pluck someone's hair and just expect to get really, you know,
Speaker 1: extreme DNA. I didn't need any of that to prove
Speaker 1: it to me, but it was good to prove it
Speaker 1: to everybody else. Since a nineteen ninety two experience, I've
Speaker 1: had a number of others. I had one in ninety
Speaker 1: six where I was taken floated through my mirror in
Speaker 1: my bedroom. My bedroom's two rooms. One has my bed
Speaker 1: in it and the other one has a built in
Speaker 1: wardrobe and on sweet with a bath and so on.
Speaker 1: I remember my partner was lying next to me, and
Speaker 1: I was trying so hard to touch her and I
Speaker 1: couldn't move, and I was trying to move my little
Speaker 1: pinky finger just to touch her. And I could touch
Speaker 1: her shirt, but I couldn't, like Cooke, you know, get
Speaker 1: pushed against her and wake her up. And I remember floating.
Speaker 1: And as I was floating up off the bed, like
Speaker 1: I could feel myself like there was an air cushion
Speaker 1: under me and it was lifting me. As I felt
Speaker 1: that I'm looking at the you know, looking ahead, and
Speaker 1: I see out of my mirror, it's like a four
Speaker 1: door glass mirrored wardrobe, floors, ceiling, heavy doors, very heavy doors.
Speaker 1: And as I like I'm looking, I'm closing my eyes,
Speaker 1: squinting and trying to see. I see figures short hooded
Speaker 1: gorilla looking guys. I see a whole bunch of them
Speaker 1: coming through the mirror. And as they came through the
Speaker 1: mirror and started to get closer towards me, I realized
Speaker 1: it wasn't a group of them, it was only three,
Speaker 1: but there was another three reflections in the mirror, so
Speaker 1: I thought it was a group. As they got closer
Speaker 1: to me, one stopped at the foot of the bed
Speaker 1: and one was on either side. So one was on
Speaker 1: my wife's side of the bed and I was worried
Speaker 1: that they're going to do something to her. And one
Speaker 1: was on my side between the window and the bed,
Speaker 1: standing to my right. And I'm already feeling this air
Speaker 1: pushing and thing like lifting me up. And then I
Speaker 1: start moving forward my feet first towards the other room,
Speaker 1: and there's an archway, so I'm going towards the archway
Speaker 1: through the room, and I'm heading to the mirror, and
Speaker 1: I'm looking at this mirror and I can see the
Speaker 1: mirror shimmering as if it was as if it was
Speaker 1: like made of water and you touched it and it
Speaker 1: made it move. I see the first being go through
Speaker 1: and I see like an haaze around him, like his body,
Speaker 1: it was like static around his body. And then he
Speaker 1: goes through, and as he goes through, I see his
Speaker 1: back fade away, and then my feet right behind him.
Speaker 1: My feet go in and as my feet went in
Speaker 1: up to say, just below my knees, halfs went in
Speaker 1: my shin just under my knees. I felt like I
Speaker 1: had just jumped in jelly, in a hot jelly, as
Speaker 1: if you had a current running through this jelly, and
Speaker 1: when you went through it, you got buzzed a bit.
Speaker 1: It wasn't a bad feeling, It's just, you know, you
Speaker 1: felt a buzzing feeling. And I went right through, and
Speaker 1: as my body was going through, I was looking. And
Speaker 1: then as I got up to my chest, I looked
Speaker 1: at my face the reflection on my face, and I
Speaker 1: was in total, total, absolute, total shock. Like I could
Speaker 1: see the look on my face. I was like, he's
Speaker 1: going on, you know, crazy, I've gone through to the
Speaker 1: other side. And I don't have a recollection of what happened,
Speaker 1: where I was taken, how long I was taken. All
Speaker 1: I know is I was back in my bed. As
Speaker 1: soon as I was back in my bed, I wake
Speaker 1: up my wife and I was like, did you say
Speaker 1: any of that? Did you hear any of that? She's like, NA,
Speaker 1: what happened? I said, Oh my god, I try to
Speaker 1: wake you up. I couldn't wake you up. You know,
Speaker 1: Da da da. That was nine in ninety six.
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Speaker 1: There's been other experiences, and there was one that I've
Speaker 1: been speaking about lately that broke me in pieces I
Speaker 1: hadn't experienced. Two thousand and eight, I was in a
Speaker 1: craft and it was a weird looking craft that was
Speaker 1: like a building almost. It was that big. I was
Speaker 1: on this table and I could notice that the walls
Speaker 1: and the ceilings and the floors there was no edges
Speaker 1: to them, there was no corners. It was all blended
Speaker 1: into each other. And I couldn't see any joints, any seams,
Speaker 1: any corners. The table I was on felt like it
Speaker 1: was floating, but I don't think it was. I think
Speaker 1: it was connected blended into the floor, and that because
Speaker 1: I could see another table on the other side, and
Speaker 1: I couldn't see it perfectly because there were things in
Speaker 1: the eight, but I could tell at points where it
Speaker 1: was like blended into the ground, so it came out
Speaker 1: of the floor. I'm lying there and I can see
Speaker 1: to my left a window, or a couple of windows,
Speaker 1: probably two or three windows, one opposite my head, and
Speaker 1: then the other two, say towards my feet, but further down,
Speaker 1: and then a third one which I could partially see,
Speaker 1: and they were long sort of rectangle windows, black tint,
Speaker 1: heavy black tint, and it could have been It looked
Speaker 1: to me like it was a building because the walls
Speaker 1: were the brightest white, eyes white, cleanest white I've ever
Speaker 1: seen on a building. It looked to me like could
Speaker 1: have been a craft, but it looked like a building.
Speaker 1: As we're moving through the sky before I saw this
Speaker 1: other building where we're moving, and I could see lights
Speaker 1: moving past us quickly. And I'm not I'm not saying
Speaker 1: their planets or anything were up there. I don't know.
Speaker 1: It could have been other objects, but there was a
Speaker 1: lot of them and I could see them going past us. Now,
Speaker 1: whether they were moving in the opposite direction, I don't know.
Speaker 1: But I could see a lot of lights just flashing by,
Speaker 1: were going by, and I could see something going our way,
Speaker 1: heading towards our way as well. We got closer to
Speaker 1: this building that I described with the windows, and we
Speaker 1: sort of banked right up against it, against the window,
Speaker 1: so it was window to window. And the next thing
Speaker 1: I remember, I see myself coming through the roof of
Speaker 1: a building like I could physically. I could see and
Speaker 1: feel that my jaw, my nose went through the ceiling
Speaker 1: first then my eyes my ears, and I felt it.
Speaker 1: And as I looked through and my eyes went through
Speaker 1: and I could see instantly I saw a woman in
Speaker 1: her bed. She should have been in her forties, South
Speaker 1: American or Italian looking. She had black hair just passed
Speaker 1: her shoulders, one too long and not short, laying in
Speaker 1: a bed and looking up directly straight at me, petrified.
Speaker 1: The look on her face was heartbreaking. And every time
Speaker 1: I talk about this, I get upset, and I'm going
Speaker 1: to try not to, but I can't guarantee it. It's
Speaker 1: just it's just an emotional reaction that I have. I
Speaker 1: don't know why, and I've talked about it lately a
Speaker 1: couple of times, and I don't know why. But anyway,
Speaker 1: if it happens, it happens. As I'm coming down, floating
Speaker 1: down towards her, I could see she was panicking more
Speaker 1: and more. The look on her face was more. She
Speaker 1: was getting more and more scared and petrified and panicking,
Speaker 1: you know. But she couldn't move. I could tell she
Speaker 1: couldn't move. And as I got low and closer to her,
Speaker 1: I was right above her bed, and I got to
Speaker 1: a point where I was about six inches from her face,
Speaker 1: and I remember looking at her her face and I
Speaker 1: saw tears run down both sides of the corner of
Speaker 1: her eyes run down and like I mean running, not
Speaker 1: just that a tear, It was just tears running. She
Speaker 1: was crying and it broke my heart. I remember looking
Speaker 1: at her, inches away from her face and saying to her,
Speaker 1: I am so so so sorry, and I said so
Speaker 1: three times, I am so so so sorry, and bag
Speaker 1: I'm back, I'm back in my bed, I'm okay. And nothing.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't have a memory of anything checked
Speaker 1: sexual happening. All I know is that she was in tears,
Speaker 1: and I felt heartbroken for her, and it really upset me.
Speaker 1: I've had a number of alien experiences, some of them
Speaker 1: are being sectually. I don't care. I can deal with it.
Speaker 1: But this thing, because it was another human and it
Speaker 1: wasn't like she was interacting because she wanted to. It
Speaker 1: wasn't like, you know, we met, we had a date
Speaker 1: and we were doing this. It was just bought onto
Speaker 1: her without her consent, and it really, really to this
Speaker 1: day it breaks me. Now years later, I was reading
Speaker 1: a book. Look, I thought it was Richard Dollar, but
Speaker 1: it could have been David Jacobs, and I am going
Speaker 1: to look and I'm going to confirm it, and I'm
Speaker 1: going to put it out there for people to see it.
Speaker 1: I was reading this book and I remember thinking, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't know. It might have been a threat by
Speaker 1: David Jacobs. And I'm reading and thinking, oh, I don't know,
Speaker 1: a bit flimsy whatever. And then I come to this
Speaker 1: chapter and it had this woman relay in a story
Speaker 1: and it was the story I just told you, a
Speaker 1: man coming through the ceiling, coming down towards her. She's petrified.
Speaker 1: The man hovers above her, inches above her face, and
Speaker 1: she's crying. And then she says, the man mouthed to me,
Speaker 1: didn't speak, but mouthed it and said I am so
Speaker 1: so sorry. And that broke me. That just and you
Speaker 1: know what, it could have been some other person that
Speaker 1: happened to, because I'm sure they don't just do it
Speaker 1: to one person and stop. That's it. One way. They
Speaker 1: do it once and never do it again. Could have
Speaker 1: been another person that happened to and they're describing their experience.
Speaker 1: But for some reason, I just felt the connection and
Speaker 1: I thought, oh my god, is this the same person?
Speaker 1: And that here in that side of it really got me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it still does. And yeah, so a lot of
Speaker 1: people have said to me, oh, you should go and
Speaker 1: find her, see if you can track it out. No,
Speaker 1: I don't want to do that. But if that person
Speaker 1: was traumatized by that anyway, and do I want to
Speaker 1: bring all that back? And look, people are aware of
Speaker 1: my case. So if the researchers who wrote the book,
Speaker 1: or if the lady hears my story and she hears
Speaker 1: me talk about this and she wants to contact me, fine,
Speaker 1: but I'm not going to chase down someone and you know,
Speaker 1: bring that onto them. You know, I've had other experiences
Speaker 1: that you could call high strangeness. We've had dost in
Speaker 1: our house since the first day we moved in here.
Speaker 1: We bought a house in another suburb and I bought
Speaker 1: it with my brothers, and one day, a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks after we put the deposit, I paid the deposit
Speaker 1: on the house. I'm driving through the street where I
Speaker 1: am now, where I'm living now, and I went into
Speaker 1: a driveway to chuck a utune in a little truck.
Speaker 1: I was driving and I saw a sign. You couldn't
Speaker 1: see the house. It was covered in brush, just bush
Speaker 1: all out the front, you could not see the house.
Speaker 1: And I saw it for sale sign and I saw
Speaker 1: this guy walking out the driveway and I said to him,
Speaker 1: is a house still for sale? And he said, nah, mate,
Speaker 1: I'm going now to the roots. They take it off
Speaker 1: the market. We don't want to sell anymore. I said, look,
Speaker 1: give me a chance. I'll have a look now quickly,
Speaker 1: if you don't mind, and if I like it, I'll
Speaker 1: bring my fiance and we'll have a look. And this
Speaker 1: is in nineteen eighty eight. He was like, yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: all right, come in had a look. You know. I
Speaker 1: fell in love with the place that evening. I bought
Speaker 1: her and her best friend. And as soon as we've
Speaker 1: pulled up out the front, you could not even see
Speaker 1: the house. She said to me, Peter, this is where
Speaker 1: I want to live. It just drew us to it.
Speaker 1: It just called us, basically. So I said to my
Speaker 1: brother's look, keep the deposit on the other house. I'm
Speaker 1: just going to buy my own house. They weren't happy
Speaker 1: about it, but you know, anyway, we ended up buying
Speaker 1: this house. And the first night that we spent here,
Speaker 1: we actually rented the place. And then the first night
Speaker 1: we spent here before we got married, wanted to renovate
Speaker 1: and do some painting and so on. We were sitting
Speaker 1: in the in the room i'm sitting in now actually,
Speaker 1: but it was all different. It was archway in another
Speaker 1: room and an archway into the kitchen. It's all open
Speaker 1: planned now. So we're sitting here and this is the
Speaker 1: first night we ever stayed at this house. We here
Speaker 1: like a soldier, like it was only one one person,
Speaker 1: but it sounded like we're wearing heavy birds and just
Speaker 1: didn't give a shit if you were in the house
Speaker 1: and heard them all night. It was like m dumb, dumb,
Speaker 1: heavy footsteps walking and heading towards us. And when it
Speaker 1: got to the archway and it could see us basically,
Speaker 1: or you know, it knew we were there, it stopped.
Speaker 1: You couldn't hear footsteps anymore. And we looked at each
Speaker 1: other and she was like, oh my god, whatever it is,
Speaker 1: it's watching us. It knows we're here. So we thought
Speaker 1: at first when we heard the footsteps, we thought it was,
Speaker 1: you know, a squatter broke in while the house the
Speaker 1: house was empty. I think for two weeks we thought
Speaker 1: someone broke in, you know, they know how to get in.
Speaker 1: Although everything was deadlocked and so on, but there was
Speaker 1: no one in the house at all. So when we
Speaker 1: moved in, we were here for probably two weeks. She
Speaker 1: was cooking something and she asked me to go out
Speaker 1: to the shop and get some ingredients. As I walked
Speaker 1: out the door, two minutes later, she heard footsteps walking
Speaker 1: through the house and she's like, oh, Peter must have
Speaker 1: forgot he's wallet or something. He's come back to get it.
Speaker 1: And as she turns around to see if it's me
Speaker 1: or you know, to see me, she said, she sees
Speaker 1: a guy walk across the hallway, across the archway from her.
Speaker 1: So this guy's walking in the lounge room. There's a
Speaker 1: dining room, and there's in a kitchen, and there's two
Speaker 1: archways between her and this being entity, ghost whatever. She
Speaker 1: looks and she sees a man walk across, and she
Speaker 1: described him. She said he looked like Abraham Lincoln in
Speaker 1: that he had the top hat, he had thick hair,
Speaker 1: he had a beard, he was wearing black, like an undertaker,
Speaker 1: and his coat was had the tail, the long tails
Speaker 1: on the coat. And it walked past and sort of
Speaker 1: looked towards her and kept walking towards a mirrored wall.
Speaker 1: I got home, probably twenty minutes later. I got home
Speaker 1: and I walked in the door, and she was stuck.
Speaker 1: She had her back to the kitchen bench, ch haded,
Speaker 1: her hands glued glued in the kitchen on the kitchen bench.
Speaker 1: She was shaking like a leaf as soon as I
Speaker 1: opened the door, and she knew it was me. She's like, Peter,
Speaker 1: there's a man in the house. And you know, my
Speaker 1: reaction would have been, what man in my house? So
Speaker 1: I wanted to just drag this guy out on the
Speaker 1: street and give him a couple and sort of send
Speaker 1: him on his way. But I searched the whole house
Speaker 1: and there was no one there. I looked under tables,
Speaker 1: in drawers, behind curtains. I did it all, you know,
Speaker 1: just to give her a piece of mind. And funny
Speaker 1: thing though that room there was a mirrrored wall in
Speaker 1: the lounge room and the other wall behind it was
Speaker 1: to a spare room. And when we had our child,
Speaker 1: our first child, Stephen, he would be he had troubled
Speaker 1: sleeping and we had to take him to a place
Speaker 1: for a couple of nights. She went with him, and
Speaker 1: they train knew how to get him to sleep. Properly.
Speaker 1: When he'd be in our room, I could it sleep
Speaker 1: And I was used to start get up for work
Speaker 1: at about five five point thirty, so I'd go and
Speaker 1: sleep in that spare room, and every time, without fail,
Speaker 1: every time I slept there, I'd get scratches or like
Speaker 1: on my legs, on my arms, and couldn't figure out why.
Speaker 1: So whenever I got these scratches, my wife and I
Speaker 1: would walk into that room and dress on that mattress
Speaker 1: like around whether scratches happened. We just to see if
Speaker 1: there's a pin, a needle, something sharp sticking out, and
Speaker 1: you know, when I'm lying there scratching me nothing, we
Speaker 1: couldn't We couldn't find anything. But it always only happened
Speaker 1: in that room. Now, later on we renovated. It's an
Speaker 1: open plan thing now. But twenty twenty, it was first
Speaker 1: of the first twenty twenty, so New Year's Day, New
Speaker 1: Year's Eve, I did a event of fireworks out on
Speaker 1: the harbor and so on, and come home and I
Speaker 1: was sitting here in and I was watching TV for
Speaker 1: all I hyped up, you know, New Year's Eve. So
Speaker 1: it was about four point fifty five in the morning,
Speaker 1: five to five in the morning, and as I'm sitting here,
Speaker 1: I felt I'm sitting in the same spot now, like
Speaker 1: I'm in the exact same spot now, and I felt
Speaker 1: something like acid burn, like it was burning, a really
Speaker 1: acidy burn on my legs. I had a look and
Speaker 1: I could see scratches, and I could actually one of
Speaker 1: the scratches. I got a UFO tatoo around my ankle
Speaker 1: on the inside of my right leg, and the scratch
Speaker 1: went straight through halfway through that ufo. It's like a
Speaker 1: cardoony UFO went straight through it. And as I was
Speaker 1: watching it, I could see this scar then this scratch
Speaker 1: moving like going up my leg very slowly, but it
Speaker 1: was moving. So I got my my phone and videoed it,
Speaker 1: and in the video you probably see it moved two
Speaker 1: mill and it stops. I think once it realized I
Speaker 1: was filming or something, it just didn't want to give
Speaker 1: me the evidence. But there was this massive scratch on
Speaker 1: my leg and then up on the inside of my knee.
Speaker 1: I felt burning there and when I looked, there were
Speaker 1: three claw marks scratched down my leg and then on
Speaker 1: the back of my leg. I've got an I've got
Speaker 1: a DNA tatoo. And it's like old. Right on the
Speaker 1: back of my calf, I've got like an old, tattered DNA,
Speaker 1: and then on the sides of it there's strands of
Speaker 1: DNA coming out that look more modern and more clean.
Speaker 1: And then I've got the head of a creature, an
Speaker 1: alien with big eyes. It's like it's DNA new and old,
Speaker 1: forming a new being, you know, a new civilization. My
Speaker 1: scratches went all the way through that, all the way
Speaker 1: up from the my keelees top of my heel, all
Speaker 1: the way to under my knee at the back on
Speaker 1: my calf. Now, that year, my dad passed away, and
Speaker 1: he passed away on my son's birthday, about four point
Speaker 1: thirty in the morning on that same day, twenty first September,
Speaker 1: he passed away. And you know, I did to know
Speaker 1: if that the first of the first twenty twenty having
Speaker 1: this thing happened. So anyway, moving on last year, twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four, my partner is here. This isn't new We
Speaker 1: went out. I didn't work last year for New Years.
Speaker 1: For the first time in so many years, I didn't
Speaker 1: do New Year's Eve. We went out, came back home,
Speaker 1: and we're sitting here and I've just gone, oh, you know, wow,
Speaker 1: it's Bernie. I've got Bernie. And she's sitting right next
Speaker 1: to me, and I put my leg out in front
Speaker 1: of her to check the sea and she's like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, babe, you got scratches appearing. As I'm looking
Speaker 1: at now, I can see scratches appearing on you. And
Speaker 1: you know what. In twenty twenty, I had been working,
Speaker 1: so I was standing up a bit and I thought,
Speaker 1: could it be my legs got a bit inflamed, you know, fluid,
Speaker 1: But it's never happened to me before. Anyway. Four years later,
Speaker 1: on the same day, the first of the first just
Speaker 1: a couple of hours apart, she's looking at it and
Speaker 1: I think she filmed it on her phone, but she
Speaker 1: was watching these scratches appear on my leg. Now, since then,
Speaker 1: I've had scratches on my back. I've had a bite mark,
Speaker 1: which I've got a photo of. It's a bite mark
Speaker 1: on my left should at the back on my back
Speaker 1: of my shoulder. That sort of stuff concerns me a
Speaker 1: little bit more than the alien stuff. I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe I don't understand it, and anything we don't understand.
Speaker 1: With fear, I've had a lot of people say to me, Oh, look,
Speaker 1: just they're trying to give your heads up on things.
Speaker 1: Just ask them to do it in another way. When
Speaker 1: it happened this year on the same day, I was
Speaker 1: really concerned because my Mum's in a nursing home and
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, oh, no, twenty twenty four is it going
Speaker 1: to be? Is this telling me something's going to happen
Speaker 1: to my mum. So she's still around, thank god, not
Speaker 1: in a good healthy position. You know, she's not doing
Speaker 1: really well. Her conditions pretty pretty bad. She's like a
Speaker 1: log in a little bed that they wheel around. It's
Speaker 1: the only way she gets around. It breaks my heart.
Speaker 1: It's coming to what I'm now where my ex and
Speaker 1: I I have to sell the house and give her
Speaker 1: her fifty percent share. It's a break in my heart
Speaker 1: because I bought this house and paid it off, finished
Speaker 1: paying her off in twenty fourteen, and I thought we'd
Speaker 1: have this house forever. I wanted to give it to
Speaker 1: my kids eventually. But this is the house where I
Speaker 1: had my like my parents' house where I had my
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty eight experience is still there. My brother lives there.
Speaker 1: This one I'm going to end up there's no way
Speaker 1: I can get the money to pay her off, so
Speaker 1: I'm going to have to sell it. It has break in
Speaker 1: my heart that I have to lose the room where
Speaker 1: my ninety two ninety six experience happened. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: going to do my best to try and keep it.
Speaker 1: I was never in the UFO filled for money never.
Speaker 1: If anything, it cost me money out of my pocket,
Speaker 1: and now I'm in a situation where financially I'm not
Speaker 1: in a position to even get a loan to pay
Speaker 1: her off. I've had a lot of injuries and they've
Speaker 1: caught up with me, so I can't do that much work.
Speaker 1: I remember Professor Mack and Hopkins both saying to me,
Speaker 1: it's so admirable for you to start a support group
Speaker 1: to help other people when you're going through the same
Speaker 1: thing and you've had no one help you, and here
Speaker 1: you are setting up a support system to help others.
Speaker 1: And Professor Max said to me another comment he made
Speaker 1: and I'll quote him on this one, May you rest
Speaker 1: in peace. Harvard were trying to sanction him and I
Speaker 1: will giving him a hard time, you know, trying to
Speaker 1: sack him and shut him down and shut him up.
Speaker 1: I remember they had many many judging panels and someone
Speaker 1: to get rid of him. But I remember him saying
Speaker 1: to me, Look, Peter, I'm a tenured professor. I can
Speaker 1: study wherever I like because they cannot say a thing
Speaker 1: to me, he said, But what concerns me? He goes,
Speaker 1: I'm not worried about me. I'm sixty six. I think
Speaker 1: he was sixty six at the time. Because I'm sixty
Speaker 1: six years old, I'm at the tail end of my career.
Speaker 1: I don't care because I worry about you. I worry
Speaker 1: about you so much because you're young, You're coming up
Speaker 1: through this now, and you've got a big target on you.
Speaker 1: And he goes, but if anybody can do Peter Kury
Speaker 1: can do this. I've got confidence in you and that
Speaker 1: just like having Professor Mack's support, I've got Bill Chalker.
Speaker 1: He supports me to the hill. I've met some really
Speaker 1: high profile people in this field that have been so caring,
Speaker 1: loving and giving to me that there's nothing else I
Speaker 1: get out of it. It's the respect and support I've
Speaker 1: got from all these good people who have had no
Speaker 1: reason to, you know, be my friends, or they're just researchers.
Speaker 1: They do a case and they move on, but Professor
Speaker 1: Mack would come over and spend all his free time
Speaker 1: and his partner Dominic at the time, with us. We travel,
Speaker 1: we go places. You know, we loved each other's company.
Speaker 1: Bud Hopkins, he attended a conference and he went and
Speaker 1: sat at my desk and although they wanted to move
Speaker 1: him because he was doing autographs in that and they
Speaker 1: didn't want my group advertising to be shown all over
Speaker 1: the media, and he said, no, I feel comfortable he's
Speaker 1: sitting with. Peter came down to my house. I've had
Speaker 1: multiple international speakers. I had Stephen Bassett from Disclosure. He
Speaker 1: stayed at MAUS for three days and he lectured in
Speaker 1: my lounge room to fifty people about the Disclosure project.
Speaker 1: And you know he made comments back then. I mean,
Speaker 1: I love the guy, but he made comments then that
Speaker 1: in twelve months where this is in early two thousands,
Speaker 1: just after the Twin Tower attacks, because I know he
Speaker 1: was freaking out. He had his car parked outside his
Speaker 1: friend's house and after ninety eleven, anybody who left the
Speaker 1: car more than three days in one area at one spot,
Speaker 1: the government would just tow it. So he was trying
Speaker 1: to ring his strength to organize a key, to get
Speaker 1: the key to his friends, to his frength to move
Speaker 1: his car so that doesn't get it total impounded and
Speaker 1: so on. So yeah, he's given a talk and he said,
Speaker 1: within twelve months, disclosure is going to happen. We're going
Speaker 1: to know the truth. They're going to tell us everything.
Speaker 1: And I remember just interrupting in Saint Stephen. I've been
Speaker 1: holding my breath for a long time. I'm not holding
Speaker 1: it anymore. I've got a breathe, mate. I said, it's
Speaker 1: not going to happen in twelve months. And here we
Speaker 1: are twenty twenty six. Yes, we've had Senate inquiries. Yes,
Speaker 1: we've had whistleblowers, We've had government officials saying yet these
Speaker 1: things exist. We've seen videos where military Air Force released
Speaker 1: I don't know why we need to wait for the
Speaker 1: United States of America to say. And apparently now Russia
Speaker 1: has just released some declassified some of the UFO documents
Speaker 1: over the last few days. So let's see how that unfolds.
Speaker 1: But why do we need America to say to us, no,
Speaker 1: you know this is happening. Okay, it's real, everybody, this
Speaker 1: is what we want to do. That's never going to happen.
Speaker 1: If it's going to happen, disclosure is going to happen,
Speaker 1: it will be on the terms of the aliens. They'll
Speaker 1: be like, Okay, guys, we've had enough of you stalling.
Speaker 1: These people are ready to know. We're going to tell them.
Speaker 1: You know what. I think it might cause a lot
Speaker 1: of friction in society, in religion, in the financial stuff.
Speaker 1: I can see that. But once we get over it
Speaker 1: and understand what just happened, and we realize what's happened,
Speaker 1: I think, Okay, religious people are going to call them
Speaker 1: demons without a doubt. But I'm sick and tired of
Speaker 1: waiting for a government to tell us. In a particular government.
Speaker 1: We've had the French government, Belgium, Mexico, numerous countries that
Speaker 1: have come out and said, yep, they exist, this is
Speaker 1: what's going on. Like look at the Virginia case in Brazil.
Speaker 1: Professor John Mack worked on that, interviewed the kids. Look
Speaker 1: at aerial case, the school with all the kids, you know,
Speaker 1: a couple of hundred kids seeing these craft land beings.
Speaker 1: Get out. Look at Westall in Melbourne, craft lands in
Speaker 1: the school beyond the school, two hundred and fifty three
Speaker 1: hundred kids see it, Teachers takes photos, camera gets taken
Speaker 1: away from them and disappears. And now it's all escalating.
Speaker 1: It's coming out of the woodworks now and there's been
Speaker 1: TV shows made about Westll in Melbourne. There's witnesses that
Speaker 1: are in our older age now and they're coming forward
Speaker 1: about it. Maybe these aliens were doing this for kids
Speaker 1: in schools so they can get it in their heads
Speaker 1: young and get that whole idea spread around. And let's
Speaker 1: face it, with social media, internet, television ads now you've
Speaker 1: got a lot of television ads that are you know,
Speaker 1: UFO alien involvement there, and it's it's just everywhere in
Speaker 1: your face now. So I think as a human race
Speaker 1: we might struggle religiously with it. The religious side will
Speaker 1: probably be the hardest thing to get through. That's when
Speaker 1: it's going to split and divide people into the ones
Speaker 1: who are going to go religiously and the ones who
Speaker 1: are going to go Okay, they're here, let's see what
Speaker 1: they have to offer, and that's what we've got to
Speaker 1: look forward to. People sometimes think that if you've had
Speaker 1: multiple experiences, you're lying. It's the other way with me.
Speaker 1: I think if you've had one experience, you've probably dreamt
Speaker 1: about something. When you have multiple experiences, that's when you're
Speaker 1: having real encounters that doesn't happen just once, doesn't happen
Speaker 1: by accident. And they target people for a reason, and
Speaker 1: they could follow you through generations.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, And you know what, I get a lot where
Speaker 4: someone will share their experiences but kind of leave out
Speaker 4: the ones which are truly bizarre or don't conform with
Speaker 4: other experiences. And I say to them, listen, if it
Speaker 4: happened and you think it's connected, share it without it.
Speaker 4: I guarantee it. You know, there's there's probably someone else
Speaker 4: out there which is also holding back because even though
Speaker 4: UFOs ned in contact is strange in any case, but
Speaker 4: it seems to be a little bit more accepted than
Speaker 4: some of the slightly more bizarre things. But again it's
Speaker 4: it's all part of one giant puzzle.
Speaker 1: Well, it's so something, so new, and we don't understand that.
Speaker 1: Anything we don't understand, we fear. But this is like
Speaker 1: what you think they're going to come in a UFO
Speaker 1: take you, get you through your wall, you're ceiling. However
Speaker 1: they do it to get you in that craft take
Speaker 1: you do things bring you back, and that's it, like
Speaker 1: there's no other things attached to this experience. Of course
Speaker 1: there is. And the more bizarre, look, I was sitting
Speaker 1: here one day and my dog started freaking out. When
Speaker 1: I say freaking out, she just stood on the lounge
Speaker 1: and just looked. She was like a pointer dog, you know,
Speaker 1: those hunting dogs that just when they lock on. But yeah,
Speaker 1: she's looking into my bedroom. And I got the door
Speaker 1: slightly opened, probably about you know, six inches open, and
Speaker 1: my dog's look in there. She come down. She stood
Speaker 1: next to me on the side of the lounge where
Speaker 1: I'm sitting down, but she wouldn't go beyond past the
Speaker 1: coffee table. That was like something was scaring her. And
Speaker 1: my dog was running my room, running back out there
Speaker 1: was something there. So I decided I took a video
Speaker 1: of her how she was reacting. She was so strange.
Speaker 1: And then I took couple of a video and a
Speaker 1: couple of pictures of my bedroom door, and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, I noticed my bedroom door had opened wider.
Speaker 1: And when I looked at the pictures, my dog was
Speaker 1: standing there like she would not move past the coffee
Speaker 1: table to get anywhere near my bedroom and we're still
Speaker 1: in the lound room. You're halfway in the lound room.
Speaker 1: And as I looked at the photo and I was
Speaker 1: zoomed in, like I could see the door was open
Speaker 1: more and there was an alien standing there, like big head,
Speaker 1: big black eyes, and it had its arm out and
Speaker 1: it was holding the door. So when I was in Canada,
Speaker 1: Luigi Vendtelli was showing me a footage of this lady
Speaker 1: who had a dog that was reacting strangely. Something happened.
Speaker 1: I don't if someone tried to break in her house
Speaker 1: but the lock or she had to break into her
Speaker 1: house because she lost the key, I'm not sure, but
Speaker 1: the door was damaged and the lock was removed, so
Speaker 1: there was a hole in the door, and she said
Speaker 1: her dog was fixated, just looking and I thought, yeah,
Speaker 1: it could be someone perving, you know, our guy walking
Speaker 1: past looking through the keyhole, going oh, yeah, there's a
Speaker 1: woman in there wherever. But she said she'd never seen
Speaker 1: her dog act the way it did. And then when
Speaker 1: she a phone and took a photo through the keyhole
Speaker 1: or through the hole, there was something on the other
Speaker 1: side that looked a bit ailing alike, you know, the
Speaker 1: big eyes, goldish looking in color. I think, so I
Speaker 1: said to him, I've got He goes, please can you
Speaker 1: send it to me. I just want to compare it.
Speaker 1: He goes, I'll do some stuff with it and i'll
Speaker 1: send it back to you. We'll see how that goes.
Speaker 1: He's making a movie at the moment about Bobblaza, and
Speaker 1: that should He told me it should come out in
Speaker 1: America in March. He's not too sure about Australia. He
Speaker 1: even looked at the photo and straight away he said,
Speaker 1: this alien is actually his arms are crossing his holding
Speaker 1: the door, and I'm like, that's what I thought. And
Speaker 1: then he goes, jeez, look how big the head is
Speaker 1: and how big the eyes are. And that's my dog
Speaker 1: reacting to it. That caught my attention. It wasn't even
Speaker 1: me looking and going, oh is that nail? It was
Speaker 1: my dog's reaction. I can send you a couple of days.
Speaker 1: You'll freak out. You'll be like, the dog is onto something.
Speaker 1: It's crazy. That's why there's this high strange and stuff
Speaker 1: that happens. It may seem paranormal, as in ghosts and stuff,
Speaker 1: but it's all interlinked. It's all connected.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, is it always the same. It's like it's
Speaker 4: like a big giant bubble where all this stuff is incorporated. Now, Peter,
Speaker 4: what I will do is I will make all your
Speaker 4: links available so people can reach out to you, and
Speaker 4: I'd also put links to Bill Chalker's book The Hair
Speaker 4: of the Alien, DNA and Other Forensic Evidence of Alien Abductions.
Speaker 4: There has been quite a bit of testing on the hair,
Speaker 4: possibly without naming any names. Could be further analysis.
Speaker 1: Yes, but as necessarily in the scientists saying there may
Speaker 1: not be much to work with, and if there is,
Speaker 1: it'll only be from the root. You won't get both
Speaker 1: DNA's because it wasn't That sample was from the root,
Speaker 1: not the shaft. But he said to me it was
Speaker 1: closer to the roots. I'm hoping that it was root
Speaker 1: and shaft and they may get the same read out,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. You know what's funny too,
Speaker 1: A lot of people saying to me, are I bet
Speaker 1: you you don't have the hair. Look, it's been tested,
Speaker 1: it's been put out there, it's in books, everything, and
Speaker 1: people still say, by I don't believe that he's lying
Speaker 1: about the test. Where's the evidence, where's the testing? It's
Speaker 1: in the book, it's all there, the whole procedure. So yeah,
Speaker 1: well we'll just see what happens with this if it's
Speaker 1: with this sample that I have. But a lot of
Speaker 1: people question I where you don't have the hair anymore.
Speaker 1: I'll bet you, you know, like there be derogatory, and I'll
Speaker 1: say no, no, I do have a piece of the
Speaker 1: hair and I still do it. And I didn't have
Speaker 1: that for ten years. Ten years. Bill Chalker had the
Speaker 1: sample with him, and then the sample that they want
Speaker 1: to test now that's in a little tube. The head
Speaker 1: scientist told me years ago, twenty eight years ago. Mate,
Speaker 1: he said to me, I'd put it in my I
Speaker 1: got a little bit. It's in my safe. It's in
Speaker 1: a cool area in my safe. He said. You never
Speaker 1: know in twenty years what we could do with DNA,
Speaker 1: he said to me. At the time, he goes like,
Speaker 1: DNA is in its infancy stage. At the moment, we're
Speaker 1: just crawling with it. We don't know. We have an
Speaker 1: egg started walking. We were hoping that, yeah, this sample
Speaker 1: might create a clone or something. But I don't think
Speaker 1: it's strong enough enough DNA in there to do that.
Speaker 1: But I'm interested to see. But yeah, after twenty eight
Speaker 1: years and many many requests for Bill to give me,
Speaker 1: to get me that sample that was in the safe.
Speaker 1: The scientist forgot about it, kept saying no, no, I
Speaker 1: don't think something. Peter's wrong, and I was like, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not wrong. And then recently, after I did the
Speaker 1: area fifty two podcasts, he reached out. The scientist reached
Speaker 1: out to Chris Ramsey and sent him a picture of
Speaker 1: the viol and he said, yeah, Peter's right, I found it.
Speaker 1: So there's another thing that backs up my story where
Speaker 1: I make a claim and then he's twenty eight years later,
Speaker 1: it's proven true.
Speaker 4: Absolutely. And I think the important thing is as well, Peter,
Speaker 4: that you know, regardless of how much information we can
Speaker 4: now pull out this DNA, is the fact that the
Speaker 4: scientific community had taken note and are interested.
Speaker 1: True.
Speaker 4: So true, Yeah, wonderful stuff. Now, before we draw this
Speaker 4: episode to a close, what advice would you give someone
Speaker 4: who believes they have had similar experiences to your own?
Speaker 1: Peter min advice to anybody who is having any type
Speaker 1: of experience, paranormal, alien, whatever, Always document your experience and
Speaker 1: only let it go too line not. It's hard sometimes
Speaker 1: to put pen in the paper, but definitely document your experience.
Speaker 1: Do it in point form. That way there's a record
Speaker 1: that your people can always relate to. And please please
Speaker 1: speak out. Don't feel like you know you're going to
Speaker 1: be ridiculed. All that stuff happened years ago. I was ridiculed,
Speaker 1: I was laughed at, you know, people call me crazy
Speaker 1: all that, and there was nothing you could do. So
Speaker 1: all I ask you to do is tell your story,
Speaker 1: hoping that someone will hear it, that will relate to
Speaker 1: it and they will tell their story. And I've found
Speaker 1: since I've done the last few podcasts, so I've got
Speaker 1: so many messages from people saying, oh my god, I
Speaker 1: thought I was the only one going through this, and
Speaker 1: now I realize it's you and there's other people and
Speaker 1: I want to connect with you and I want to
Speaker 1: tell you my story and they have been We just
Speaker 1: need to do that publicly, like get on these forums.
Speaker 1: I'm speaking in July at a meeting in Sydney. I
Speaker 1: usually wouldn't advertise for people, like I wouldn't put but
Speaker 1: I'm going to ask people as many people as I
Speaker 1: can to turn up because people are asking me, where
Speaker 1: can we see you, where can we speak to you?
Speaker 1: I just want people who relate to my story to
Speaker 1: come out and if they've had experiences, just tell it,
Speaker 1: don't hide it anymore.
Speaker 4: And for that event, we put that down below so
Speaker 4: people can pop along.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it'll be the fourth of July one pm at
Speaker 1: Burwood Club. Burwood, it's called in New South Wales, Sydney,
Speaker 1: New South Wales. It's not far from the railway station,
Speaker 1: so easy access. Yeah, fourth of July. I hope to
Speaker 1: see a few people.
Speaker 4: Are wonderful stuff.
Speaker 6: Peter.
Speaker 4: Glad you're start telling your account after all these years.
Speaker 1: Peter. Yeah, it's repetitive. But the beauty about my story
Speaker 1: is from the first day I went public with this
Speaker 1: to now, my story hasn't changed at all. And that's
Speaker 1: what a lot of people have noted and commented on.
Speaker 1: You know, Peter's story has stood the test of time,
Speaker 1: hasn't changed. You know. I'm not here to evolve my
Speaker 1: story and make it suitable for people to me. It's
Speaker 1: just tell my story, keep it consistent and that's that absolutely.
Speaker 4: And I've heard some of your early ones and yeah,
Speaker 4: yours hasn't changed, Peter. I really appreciate you coming on
Speaker 4: sharing it all for our listeners.
Speaker 1: Pleasure. It's a pleasure.
Speaker 4: It's been wonderful meeting you tonight. Okay, take care of
Speaker 4: yourself all right, and we'll speak soon, sir.
Speaker 1: We'll do. Thank you bye for now. Bye.
Speaker 4: Well, that is all for this episode. Keep update and
Speaker 4: connected with the show on x, Facebook and Instagram. And
Speaker 4: if you have an encounter that you'd like to share
Speaker 4: on the podcast, email me at UFO chronicles at gmail
Speaker 4: dot com, or you can reach out to me via
Speaker 4: the contact page on my website ufo Chronicles podcast dot com.
Speaker 4: A big fang it aptera for sharing tonight, and thank
Speaker 4: you all for listening. I will be back next week.
Speaker 4: Till then, stay safe and keep watching the skies.
Speaker 6: Goodbye to
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