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Speaker 1: That is another epic track from Tombstones in Their Eyes

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that is under Dark Skies. Love that track. And let's see,

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let's see here. We'll bring this mic up. We're gonna

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try to talk to John Treener from the band.

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Speaker 2: On to one I can eat one too?

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Speaker 1: Hello, Hey John, I can I can hear you? Can

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you hear me?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Oh beautiful? You sound great? So you switch to a

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different mic. I guess that's uh, I guess that's all

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we needed. Wonderful, Welcome to the show. I'm glad we

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got to talk. I was getting nervous, but I really, uh,

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I really like this project. This is really good Tombstones

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in Their Eyes great stuff. We did play the we

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played the single earlier Alive and Well, and of course

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that was the title track under Dark Skies and I

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love this band. Is this your project? Are you kind

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of the main guy? So you guys are now now

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you're you're on the West coast? Is that correct?

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Speaker 2: I am Los Angeles, You're you're an LA based band?

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Speaker 1: And are you are you kind of the the main

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the main guy? Are you kind of the the center

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of the of the band in terms of of uh

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steering the project?

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Speaker 2: I am this is my band. I write the songs,

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formed it originally, and yeah, so that's the deal man.

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Speaker 1: How long has this existed? How long has Tombstones in

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Their Eyes existed?

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Speaker 2: We're at ten years now, ten.

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Speaker 1: Years, that's a long time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I was looking at band camp and I thought, wow,

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they've got a lot of material. You've released quite a

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bit over that span of time, which is impressive. Yeah,

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this is very, very impressive. Now I assume the uh, oh,

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go ahead, No, you're good. Well, I was just gonna say,

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I assume the the makeup of the band has changed

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quite a bit over that time.

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Speaker 2: It has. Yeah, the people I originally did the first

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recordings with are no longer around. I've got a bunch

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of newer people. Some been around longer than others. The drummer,

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Steven has been with me for a long time, and

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Speaker 1: Has it been a challenge to keep this project going

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for ten years? Because some you know, some people, if

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they have a band and people start leaving and they

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have to cycle people out, at some point, they kind

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of they kind of start to think, oh, maybe I'll

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start a new project myself. Since you know, people are

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coming and going. But ten years, I mean, that's impressive.

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Longevity has been Has it been challenging at times to

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keep this going? Have you ever been tempted to start

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something new? Or maybe you're just firmly committed to this

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and you're going to keep going no matter what? I mean?

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What's kind of been your approach to that over the years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is my thing and I'm going to keep

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it going as long as as long as I keep

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writing songs, you know, that's how I see it.

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Speaker 1: No, that's great. I assume too where you are, obviously

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you've got a lot of talent around you. So how

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hard is it to find musicians to bring in when

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you have to do that, when you have to make

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a change, when somebody's leaving and you've got to replace them,

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or do you just know people already who would be

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suitable for these various Because at this point you're are

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you the only original member? I assume you're the only one, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So how hard is it to find people or

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a search a while back for someone on bass, and

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same experience, but it was easier. Our guitar player Paul

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, sorry to hear that. That's terrible. Oh that's awful.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I wasn't really planning on replacing him at

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asked him and is John Miller? And I think he's

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coming aboard. So that one, that one was particularly easy,

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about Under Dark Skies because it seems like I was

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reading something about that you went through a period of

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some pretty intense personal upheaval that was kind of the

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genesis of the of the emotional context of the album.

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you know, writing songs is always easier when you're in

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a sort of a down period. Yeah, And I've had

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my experience with that, but in twenty twenty three it

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was particularly bad and you know, some really tough stuff

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the material and under Dark Skies.

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people we talked to is how probably the best form

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of therapy is taking things that are that are bad,

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things that are traumatic, and and making that into art,

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because not only does it help you take something terribly

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negative and create something positive from it, because it helps

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art or writing or whatever it is, but it also

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then can connect with that and it can help them

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as well. And then you've taken something negative and made

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you're going through, but can connect with others. And I'm curious,

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have you experienced other people kind of reaching out to

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you when they hear the album and say, you know,

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themes that are here, or this connects with me on

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a level that maybe I didn't expect. But then I

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listened to it and I got it, and I kind

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of know what you're feeling. Like, do you hear from

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people about that?

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Speaker 2: Oh? I definitely, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I had one particular instance where I wrote a song

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about super simple song about basically being on drugs during

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a period where I had, you know, had a relapse,

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and then the guy wrote in and said, I've never

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I've never done drugs, but after listening to your song,

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I completely understand that the you know, the depths to

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but yeah, definitely. You know, most of the music I

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listened to is a little sad or whatever you want

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to call it, and so I connect with that, you know,

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it makes me feel not so alone. And I think

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songs I write, right, So no doubt.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And can you tell us kind of circling back

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is it true that that's dedicated to Paul?

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choice to make right he had just passed away. The

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a single called the Live and well after my guitar

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player has died, you know, and my friend and I

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to him because really the song is about coming through

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tough times and coming back right and and Paul had

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, And we should talk to about where this

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really good. And I feel too that this genre that

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you're working in the production has to be really good.

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you can't have guitars that sound small and you know

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what I mean. So where did you record this and

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who did you work with?

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the spelling is probably in the press kit, but you know,

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really gets what we want to do. We have a

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great working relationship and and we learned together, right.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Oh that's awesome. Yeah, obviously it's it's working for you.

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but we do have a lot of industry people who

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listen to the show who might also find this very interesting.

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So this is a dual label release, so it's out

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on Little Cloud Records here in North America, but it's

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the UK. And I'm curious about how that works and

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I wish i'd discovered I could do that sooner, actually,

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because we have fans in Europe and you know, around

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the world, but particularly in Europe the UK, and so

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shipping over there is incredibly expensive these days, oh, shipping

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of the bands had done a similar thing. Actually, they

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the idea, and I already knew Nico from Short Dive Record,

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me a chance, or it gives us a chance to

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them having to pay a million dollars for shipping.

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Speaker 1: That makes sense. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

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a full life, and you know, same with the band,

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right you know, right now the band has seven people.

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Speaker 1: No doubt. Yeah, that's so so seven people. So that's interesting.

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in the press release. So what I mean, what what

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do all these people? What do all these seven people do? Like?

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Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, So myself I do vocals and guitar. We

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and then we have two other vocalists. One is Clia

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Cohen and the other is Courtney Davies. Yeah. Courtney's been

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with us a little a little while and Cleia is

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a little newer. But we started getting into harmony so

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much on the records that it made sense, you know,

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Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, has has that been some Is that something

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that's unique to this record in terms of the harmonies

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or did you do that on.

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Speaker 2: It's been starting to happen. It really came into bloom

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on the last record, Asylum Harbor, and has sort of

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can okay, okay, just an evolution, Oh.

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Speaker 1: Interesting, Okay, very cool. I want to ask you too.

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I want to make sure we touch on you know,

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so people don't get the wrong idea in terms of

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in terms of the album and the context. You know,

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it's not all it's not all doom and gloom, right,

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There's there's sort of a theme of defiance and overcoming

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these challenges and dare I say even hopefulness to it? Right?

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I listen to the whole thing, and that's that's kind

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of what I took from it. It's you know, it's

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not just you know, because people hear, you know, doom

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rock or whatever term you want to use, and they think, oh,

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it's it's just all down, it's all negative, but it's

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really not. And and what do you want people to

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take away from this, you know, not just when they

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listen to say Alive and Well the single, but when

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they listen to the whole album. What do you want

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people to take away from from that when they hear it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I hear what you're saying for sure, and it

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is not all doom and gloom, right, And I want

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people to take away that you can make it through

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tough times, you can find strength and there is hope, right.

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And that was sort of you know, the place I

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was in. I can't believe I made it through it

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at some points, right, And So the songs are they're

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not wallowing in self pity right there are, like you said,

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sort of a defiant like I'm gonna make this happen,

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you know, I'm gonna make it.

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defiance and I really like that it connected with me.

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I think the album is fantastic. We should imagine too,

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how new it is too. This just came out December fifth, right,

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so this this just came out earlier this month, so

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it's very new and obviously it's on all the streaming services.

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be you know, purchased through our band camp, can be

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purchased through Short Dived Records band camp in Europe and

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the UK, and also on Little Cloud Records website. So

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it's available.

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Speaker 1: Oh, fantastic, fantastic. Where is the best place to go

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John for people to keep up with everything that you're

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doing with tombstones in their eyes? Where should people go

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online to keep up with everything?

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Speaker 2: I would say these days, either Instagram probably Instagram would

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be the best place because I had some help with that,

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and we're making sure the content is flowing there with

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news and other things. I handle the Facebook myself, so

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that's you know, there was a period where I was

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trying to manage every social media and I've had to

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concentrate on just a few. Yeah, you know. Yeah, i'd

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say Instagram is a good place to go.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, excellent, excellent. In a moment, we'll let you go

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and then we're gonna play I want to close out

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the segment with another track from the album under Dark Skies,

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but I'm going to kind of put you on the

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spot a little bit. I'm gonna ask you to pick

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it because we already played We played a live and

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well and we played the title track under Dark Skies,

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you know, while we were kind of working through our

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tech issues. So what would you like us to play

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to close out the segment?

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Speaker 2: Wow, we might throw you a curb on play. Have

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you play an instrumental?

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, absolutely, absolutely, whatever you want.

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Speaker 2: The song is called the Beginning.

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Speaker 1: The Beginning. Oh yep, I see it. Excellent. So yeah,

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so we'll finish out with that. That'll be interesting. Okay, Well, John,

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thank you so much for joining us here. Today. Like

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I said, I love the album. I'm going to go

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back to and listen to some of your earlier work

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as well. So far, I've only listened to Under Dark Skies,

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but i really enjoyed it a lot, and I'm glad

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that we were able to work through our tech issues

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and get you on the phone. And it's been interesting

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talking to you and I'm sure we will definitely do

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it again in the future. As you're are you already

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working on new music? Are you just kind of focused

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on the current project right now now that this has

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a lot, a big backlog of songs that have recorded

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over the last couple of years. At the same time, yeah,

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I'm kind of focusing on this right now and trying to, yeah,

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you know, get us into a good live thing.

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Speaker 1: Oh of course. Yeah. Well, we will definitely have you

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back in the future as when you do have new stuff,

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because like I said, I've become a fast fan of

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your work. We're gonna hit this track, so we'll let

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you go for now. But John from Tombstones in Their Eyes,

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thank you so much for joining us today.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Thank you and sorry for the sect problem.

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Speaker 1: Oh hey, no worries. We got through it all right,

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all right, John, take care of you. Bye bye, all right.

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That was John Treeener from Tombstones in Their Eyes and

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we will close out this segment with this. This is

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an instrumental from the album Under Dark Skies. This is

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called the Beginning.