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<v Speaker 1>There's Bart, Hi Bart, Good morning, Bart's a Bart's a

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<v Speaker 1>yinser today.

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<v Speaker 2>Picked us up down the Strip district when I was

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<v Speaker 2>in Pittsburgh a couple of weeks ago.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not shocked. So he's uh, he's hanging out as

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<v Speaker 1>a yinser. Who And by the way, last night, you mug,

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<v Speaker 1>so yeah, well there you go.

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<v Speaker 3>See the WV you mug. That's that's the way that

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<v Speaker 3>it should be.

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<v Speaker 1>I was, I was looking at what's going on with

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<v Speaker 1>your with your with your kneers getting the big wind

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<v Speaker 1>blowing out Oklahoma State this past weekend. Very very h

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<v Speaker 1>that was a big road wind for for Neil and

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<v Speaker 1>in your knears, sir, you know I I.

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<v Speaker 2>Would prefer to just be happy instead of you know,

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<v Speaker 2>starting the conference undefeated is great. Uh two wins against

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<v Speaker 2>Kansas and Oklahoma State. Who knows if that means anything.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think Oklahoma State is as good as people

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<v Speaker 2>thought they were going to be. But uh, two and

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<v Speaker 2>I was good. You're now three and two on the season.

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<v Speaker 2>But the problem still remains that those two losses were

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<v Speaker 2>to rival teams, and while pitt maybe looks a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit better than we thought and obviously pretty good, it's not.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't feel like we're three and two, Like it

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<v Speaker 2>feels like, okay, this is.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm cautiously not even optimistic.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just cautious, just cautious.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, dealing it is so So basically the early season

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<v Speaker 1>start for your West Virginia is it's a it's a

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<v Speaker 1>it's a yellow.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a yellow.

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<v Speaker 2>Plug for the most recent episode of Soccer for US podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>where we potential locations that we would like to see

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<v Speaker 2>the US men's national team play in the next you know,

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<v Speaker 2>year and a half, and one of those I specifically

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<v Speaker 2>shouted out was Pittsburgh because I do think Hinesfield would

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<v Speaker 2>be a fantastic venue for the US men's nation team.

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<v Speaker 2>Women's team has played there before, so I would love

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<v Speaker 2>to see the men's team get there on the better

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<v Speaker 2>half of the.

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<v Speaker 3>State lobbing grenades at rich this.

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<v Speaker 4>Way he started it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I see how this is working now on

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<v Speaker 1>the timeline Pittsburgh, I see how this works. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>So we do have some things to discuss involving the

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<v Speaker 1>US M and T. We'll start there, some injury swaps

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<v Speaker 1>and things like that. Although it was intriguing to see

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<v Speaker 1>the casual photograph of Maricyo Pochettina watching a Los ver

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<v Speaker 1>Dose match at Park.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like, Brud, do you not have anything else

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<v Speaker 1>to do, like go sample the texts in the heart

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<v Speaker 1>of downtown and I'm going he probably does.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going on, man is probably very addicted to the

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<v Speaker 2>sport and had to go watch.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to Parmer to watch me some low dose.

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<v Speaker 4>Hey, I get it.

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<v Speaker 2>You know that's his job as he's supposed to be

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<v Speaker 2>scouting the next wave of US soccer talent and that's good.

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<v Speaker 1>Or maybe he's just scouting the Austin FC gig. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because if things don't work out, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well yeah, not officially over.

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<v Speaker 2>And I know that that Josh Wolf was talked about

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<v Speaker 2>for the US for the Atlanta team. Yes, a vacancy

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<v Speaker 2>and let's we shall see.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So yesterday Pochettino was at Parmer Field watching the

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<v Speaker 1>town take care of Los Verdes four to three and

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<v Speaker 1>an exciting match on the last day of the regular

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<v Speaker 1>season out West. In MLS Next Pro two o'clock tomorrow,

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<v Speaker 1>you get to choose your opponent.

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<v Speaker 3>It's it's picked your partner.

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<v Speaker 1>No Sadie Hawkins or anything like that, but it's picked

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<v Speaker 1>your dance partner tomorrow afternoon at two o'clock and three

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<v Speaker 1>o'clock and we'll talk about that on Wednesday show. But

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<v Speaker 1>the injury swaps, for those that might have missed the

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<v Speaker 1>info that kind of drifted in and out. What happened

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<v Speaker 1>with injury swaps getting ready for this window.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, let me pull it up because I got to

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<v Speaker 2>remember I get the for the right swap. Let's just

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<v Speaker 2>put it that way, okay. So we have the two

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<v Speaker 2>that come in that are important, right, you have Alex

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<v Speaker 2>and Dejas and someone who we all know and love,

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<v Speaker 2>Brendan Vasquez.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>Those guys come in because as typical John, we have

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<v Speaker 2>some injuries picked up in the.

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<v Speaker 4>Last weekend before the match.

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<v Speaker 2>So you have again Zendejas, Vasquez and then also Tanner

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<v Speaker 2>Tessaman called in because Faleren Balagan, Johnny Cardozo and Tim

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<v Speaker 2>Weya withdrawn due to injury issues. Weya, I think was

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of a stretch to call him and

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<v Speaker 2>to begin with, so that's not really a surprise. Also,

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<v Speaker 2>I think he probably has to just set out Panama

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<v Speaker 2>for his now mental health sake, as you know what

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<v Speaker 2>happened the last time he played Panama, and you know

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<v Speaker 2>this is these are good opportunities for specifically Vasquez. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>Baligan coming out means that the de facto starting striker

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<v Speaker 2>is now not playing in this window, so it's an

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<v Speaker 2>open competition to see who can get that starting gig.

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<v Speaker 4>Obviously, you get two matches, one.

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<v Speaker 2>Here at home against Panama on Saturday, and then one

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<v Speaker 2>down in Mexico against Mexico on a week and a

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<v Speaker 2>day from now, So that's a big, big opportunity for Vasquez.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't necessarily think that Zendejas plays into anything, but

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<v Speaker 2>we are light on the winger depth chart, so he

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<v Speaker 2>probably will see some time. And then for Tanner Testament,

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<v Speaker 2>this is big. Johnny has been the guy that's been

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<v Speaker 2>seen as the backup to Tyler Adams. I think he

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<v Speaker 2>got outperformed last window by Aiden Morris. And now we're

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<v Speaker 2>adding another defensive midfielder ish into this kind of pool

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<v Speaker 2>of who's the guy behind Tyler Adams And this is

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<v Speaker 2>I think a big, big opportunity for Testament, someone who

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<v Speaker 2>will most likely see minutes during the window at a

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<v Speaker 2>big clip.

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<v Speaker 4>Now the other thing here, john.

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<v Speaker 2>The two underlying the underlying I guess narrative is now

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<v Speaker 2>you've got Vascuaz and Zendejas playing against Mexico. Both of

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<v Speaker 2>those guys were eligible to play for Mexico. Both of

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<v Speaker 2>those guys play and Aliga a mekis that's kind of fine.

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't mind seeing Vascas start down in Estadio Kraun

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<v Speaker 2>and putting a goal in like he has done on

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<v Speaker 2>occasion during his time with Monterey.

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<v Speaker 4>That would be really cool.

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<v Speaker 3>Mm hmm. And so.

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<v Speaker 1>The palace intrigue rolls on when it comes to the

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<v Speaker 1>national team, I mean when it really in this window,

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<v Speaker 1>and since we have literally a week to discuss this

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<v Speaker 1>leading into the Mexico match coming up on the fifteen,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, legitimately, what are you looking at? And I

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<v Speaker 1>may end up asking this question again this time.

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<v Speaker 5>Next week, after we've gone through a week of organization,

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<v Speaker 5>getting everybody in staring at things Maricchia Pochattino wearing shorts

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<v Speaker 5>and sampling text mex or what have you.

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<v Speaker 2>I do need to see a good video of him

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<v Speaker 2>trying some like authentic text mex tacos down there in Austin,

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<v Speaker 2>because there's a I can I can verify, testify, show

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<v Speaker 2>photographic evidence of fantastic food truck tacos in the I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's a BP gas station, one of the gas

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<v Speaker 2>right next to the stadium, because right there after doing

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<v Speaker 2>early loaded back in twenty twenty one, and we walked

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<v Speaker 2>across the street to the gas station before heading back

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<v Speaker 2>to the hotel.

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<v Speaker 4>We were saying in the.

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<v Speaker 2>Interstates, So I think, you know, a po Chatino visit

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<v Speaker 2>to a taco food truck in Austin would be great content.

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<v Speaker 2>Put that in the behind the Cress videos.

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<v Speaker 1>But what I'm You've got the craft breweries in the

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<v Speaker 1>UH in the the office park, ye craw S.

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<v Speaker 4>Get him downtown for some live music on Fifth Street.

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<v Speaker 4>I think you get it go.

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<v Speaker 2>I think now is a great timing year to take

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<v Speaker 2>the team out and go see the bat Bat Bridge

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<v Speaker 2>down in as well. A lot of a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>fun excursions they could have. I don't know if they

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<v Speaker 2>need to paddle boarding down the Buffalo, but no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>that I think it's I only don't need to see

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<v Speaker 2>that though.

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<v Speaker 5>No.

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<v Speaker 1>But also if they'd gotten in early, it could have

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<v Speaker 1>been at the ACL festival yesterday.

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<v Speaker 4>So that was that was this weekend. It's wrapping up.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually the last when I went into twenty twenty one,

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<v Speaker 2>it was the weekend that Austin City Limits was going on.

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<v Speaker 4>That was kind of fun. That was the town had

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<v Speaker 4>a big vibe to it. It was nice.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh so you know, looking at looking at that, obviously

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<v Speaker 1>we'll have a week two that's.

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<v Speaker 4>More important than the field, right like that those this

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<v Speaker 4>is what we're saying.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like, you know, it's you, it's your first it's

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<v Speaker 3>your first excursion. And being here in the States, you

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<v Speaker 3>got a little time. I know that you're going to be.

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<v Speaker 1>Spending some x's and o's time and looking at computer

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<v Speaker 1>monitors and making sure that folks are one hundred percent healthy.

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<v Speaker 3>You check with your physios.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I gotta go, I gotta sample some text mes

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<v Speaker 1>for dinner.

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely dotting some brisket down there as well.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's yeah, and go watch the True South episode

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<v Speaker 1>and then you'll really get some some intel when it

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<v Speaker 1>comes to Austin, Texas. So now that uh, the U, S,

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<v Speaker 1>M and T is getting into the rhythm of this

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<v Speaker 1>window and MLS is you know, taking the week off

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<v Speaker 1>for the most part. Uh, there's a lot of raffing

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<v Speaker 1>down here that that I want to get into. And

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<v Speaker 1>since we're mentioning Austin. Let's start there with what occurred

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<v Speaker 1>in the lag match involving Biro and Ricky Pooge and

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<v Speaker 1>the the reactions are literally all over the place. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean it is everything from mahors patatas to uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Biro needs to be strung up and you know, hung

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<v Speaker 1>from hung from his hung from his sambas. On this one,

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<v Speaker 1>I've I legitimately had to because of the wide range

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<v Speaker 1>of emotion.

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<v Speaker 3>That was attached to this particular tackle.

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<v Speaker 1>I literally have watched this tackle at least two dozen times,

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<v Speaker 1>and I've done the whole Zubruder thing, and I've slowed

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<v Speaker 1>it down, and I wanted to seem because literally you

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<v Speaker 1>have folks who are watching this at full speed with

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<v Speaker 1>the with the gagermee Biro going after Ricky Poos in

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<v Speaker 1>front of the lag bench. The lag bench is looking

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<v Speaker 1>at instantaneous red card. They want you know, they want

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<v Speaker 1>him taken away, you know, by the gendarme and the

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<v Speaker 1>yellow jackets and everything. I literally had to look at

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<v Speaker 1>this thing at least two dozen times to see what

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<v Speaker 1>was going on with Biro and contact and Pooshe and

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<v Speaker 1>everybody's like suspend him.

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<v Speaker 3>Six to eight matches all these kinds of things.

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<v Speaker 1>How did you look at this at full speed and

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<v Speaker 1>then have to slow it down.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I did.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think that's the best way to look at

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<v Speaker 2>it when you look at not just obviously, I think

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<v Speaker 2>in the moment should be a red card.

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<v Speaker 4>That's a serious foul play.

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<v Speaker 2>I think this is to leave it, leave it, and

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<v Speaker 2>then you add I mean there's the fact that he

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<v Speaker 2>and pull him down. All of those are are absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>in the realm of serious foul play.

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<v Speaker 4>Again because it technically is a play.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know that that is a red card to

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<v Speaker 2>a t that is what needs to be policed in

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<v Speaker 4>But I do think that there are This was not

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<v Speaker 2>I went in hard for a challenge, but I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it just needs to be said. But I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna push for a higher uh penalty. Okay, there's something

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<v Speaker 2>that your friend and the you know, the godfather of

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<v Speaker 2>Atlanta Soccer always molest does not do enough to protect

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<v Speaker 2>its stars. MESSI who gets to do whatever he wants,

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<v Speaker 2>whatever he wants, you know, automatic bids in the Club

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<v Speaker 2>World Cup.

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<v Speaker 4>Despite the be able to play next year.

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<v Speaker 2>This is one of those opportunities to I mean, Ricky

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<v Speaker 2>proache is now that Almadol's not here, the brightest young

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<v Speaker 2>I think in the league, and this tackle was definitely

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<v Speaker 2>a tackle meant to harm him, not a bad tackle

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<v Speaker 2>that he got out of his mind a little bit.

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<v Speaker 3>This seems to not stop on a rush up the

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this was This was not just poorly aimed, not

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<v Speaker 2>just poorly timed, but this was intentional. And I do

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<v Speaker 2>think that this is an opportunity for the league to

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<v Speaker 2>make a statement about protecting at stars. But also this

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<v Speaker 2>is just an excusable play. This is not soccer and

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<v Speaker 2>you have to tell people that this is This is

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<v Speaker 4>The you know where we are not Scotland. We need

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, when you look at this, you look at

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<v Speaker 1>it at full speed.

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<v Speaker 3>And you're you're like damn.

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<v Speaker 1>And then when you look at it slower, and this

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<v Speaker 1>is what I always want to recommend in these situations.

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<v Speaker 1>We see something at full speed, and I know that

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<v Speaker 1>seeing something at full speed in game state and navigating

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<v Speaker 1>that in the moment is one thing. But now that

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<v Speaker 1>the match is over and we can look at things

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<v Speaker 1>after the fact, and then we can gauge what the gagerme.

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<v Speaker 1>Biro looks like he's doing. I mean, Biro is like

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<v Speaker 1>sliding and he's lunging up and the feeder in the air,

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<v Speaker 1>and then and and he barely but he barely makes

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<v Speaker 1>contact with Pooshe Ricky Pooche is trying to.

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<v Speaker 2>Again this is it is so clear, whats are that?

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<v Speaker 2>And then again he reaches up to grab It is

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<v Speaker 2>very clear he wanted to do here.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and then you end up with even as even

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<v Speaker 1>as even as Ricky Pooge is trying to be you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Dick Fosbury here.

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<v Speaker 2>And some people are trying to claim he was diving

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<v Speaker 2>of some sort, and I'm like, yeah, he's diving out

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<v Speaker 2>of the way.

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<v Speaker 3>He's trying to clear the lake.

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<v Speaker 4>When a drunk driver ends up on the sidewalk and

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<v Speaker 4>you're trying.

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<v Speaker 2>To get out of the way from a car accident,

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<v Speaker 2>like that's what was what in the world?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, yeah, And so he's still as as Pooge

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<v Speaker 1>is trying to clear Biro, Biro ends up still with

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<v Speaker 1>his legs in the air, with all of the vert

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<v Speaker 1>that Pooge makes he still ends up clipping him a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit in front of the lag bench. You see

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<v Speaker 1>all the the the anger and the waving of hands

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<v Speaker 1>and the consternation and such. But yeah, for me, obvious

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<v Speaker 1>red card. And now it's going to be up to

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<v Speaker 1>Major League Soccer to your point, to figure out, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>how serious do we go down this road and set

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<v Speaker 1>a precedent or follow up with previous precedent that we

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<v Speaker 1>may not have followed in the past. I think that

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<v Speaker 1>this will be an interesting decision for the number of

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<v Speaker 1>matches for Bureau on a you know, on the back.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I do think you're looking at multiple games

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<v Speaker 2>added to the normal.

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<v Speaker 4>Red card suspension.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so you he will not be playing again this

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<v Speaker 2>regular season.

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<v Speaker 4>No, no, I'm trying to think Austin is not.

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<v Speaker 3>No, they're below the bar, they're not playoff.

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<v Speaker 4>Contention, so he may not be playing a whole lot

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<v Speaker 4>next season.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so, you know, we'll we'll see what the league

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<v Speaker 1>looks at there. Uh D Graham has something that we're

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<v Speaker 1>probably gonna I.

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<v Speaker 2>Saw that I did not watch the Royals game. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>really sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, well okay, so uh so then uh put that

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<v Speaker 1>in put that in a bookmark and then if you can, if.

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<v Speaker 4>I can watch it, I'll answer you on Twitter.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, so Dan, if if the the Stainbrook incidents

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<v Speaker 1>are readily available on on the twitters, we'll go back

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<v Speaker 1>and take a peek at that.

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<v Speaker 2>What was I doing Saturday night? I wasn't even watching

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<v Speaker 2>television Saturday night, So that's oh I was Saturday.

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<v Speaker 4>I was.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the had a game, and I got home and

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<v Speaker 2>uh went to bed because I had a referee soccer

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<v Speaker 2>that morning, and then I refereed soccer the next day.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm shocked that that that you refed and went

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<v Speaker 1>to bed immediately after you got home.

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<v Speaker 4>But I don't know about immediately, but I did go

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<v Speaker 4>to bed soon.

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<v Speaker 1>There were some moments in the Atlanta United match. I

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<v Speaker 1>know that you and I were going back and forth

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<v Speaker 1>on the two hundred and eighty character app about the moment.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, well and there there was Well you had

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<v Speaker 3>well first.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is what I want to get into with

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<v Speaker 1>with this particular element of it, the the takedown of

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<v Speaker 1>Jamal inside the eighteen, and the the everybody looking at

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<v Speaker 1>it and wanting you know, you know, grabbing and hooking

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<v Speaker 1>and all these kinds of things. Let's walk through Jamal's

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<v Speaker 1>moment and what you as, I know what, I know

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<v Speaker 1>what the fan Bart saw. And that's that's why we

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<v Speaker 1>like to differentiate here in the roughing down here segment

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<v Speaker 1>is like, we know, we know what, we know what Bart,

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<v Speaker 1>the fan was there, anybody saw. Let's break down the

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<v Speaker 1>Jamal tra a moment and walk everybody through it from

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<v Speaker 1>the moment he goes into the eighteen in the corner.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think this was an easy one to separate

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<v Speaker 2>fan from UH referee because to me, this was one

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<v Speaker 2>of those where the player, the defender here makes it

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<v Speaker 2>a little too obvious, if that makes any sense, he

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<v Speaker 2>himself no room for interpretation that he was trying to

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<v Speaker 2>foul the attacker. And I actually had one of these

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<v Speaker 2>instances in a game yesterday where I will admit the

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<v Speaker 2>contact was probable, not super hard, not super over the top,

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<v Speaker 2>but like I had it in the game yesterday, a player,

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<v Speaker 2>the defender just his leg is about, you know, as

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<v Speaker 2>outstretched to possibly be while still being on the ground,

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<v Speaker 2>and the attacker trips over him and they're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>well do it wasn't really contact, and like, you can't

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<v Speaker 2>just stick your leg out, have the player hit the

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<v Speaker 2>attacker hit it and go, well, I didn't mean to

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<v Speaker 2>do that. And that's kind of what this was here

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<v Speaker 2>is it was very clear that the defender, well, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think it was anything sinister, right, It's not like

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<v Speaker 2>he was trying to foul necessarily, tre.

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<v Speaker 4>He was. Once you put your feet.

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<v Speaker 2>Your legs outside of your body, right, and any coach,

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<v Speaker 2>any good coach, will teach you this. We call it

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<v Speaker 2>diving in or something like that. Once you do that

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<v Speaker 2>for a prolonged period of time.

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<v Speaker 4>Because this wasn't like he just stuck his leg out

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<v Speaker 4>in a trip that made his legs.

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<v Speaker 3>Out for a.

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<v Speaker 2>Good second or two and TI trips over it. That's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna leave you open for a foul. And then if

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<v Speaker 2>you do that.

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<v Speaker 4>In the box, it's gonna be open for a penalty.

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<v Speaker 4>So to me, is it soft.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a soft foul, But it's absolutely penalty kick because

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<v Speaker 2>it's soft because there wasn't a whole lot of like.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, contact in that regard. But it's a foul.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. We see this all the time where you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a guy just leaves the leg out and the attacker

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<v Speaker 2>trips over him, and yeah, it's a foul, and you

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<v Speaker 2>shouldn't do that in the penalty area because if you

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<v Speaker 2>do that in the penalty area, John, that is going

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<v Speaker 2>to be a penalty kick.

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<v Speaker 1>What yeah, I know, strange, all right, So, but there

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<v Speaker 1>were there were others that were looking at the incident

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<v Speaker 1>and they were wondering about the notion of let's say

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<v Speaker 1>the foul is outside the eighteen like it's beyond the

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<v Speaker 1>in line, and then the foul occurs off the field

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<v Speaker 1>of play, separating the idea of possession. Say say Jamal

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<v Speaker 1>turn the corner ball goes over the in line, or

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<v Speaker 1>Jamal goes out of play the grab from from is look,

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<v Speaker 1>happens off the field of play beyond the in line.

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<v Speaker 1>Should does that impact anything? Is there a principle of

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<v Speaker 1>verticality when it comes to the plane and the end

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<v Speaker 1>line extending to to the ionosphere or anything like that

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<v Speaker 1>when it comes to the orchestration of the foul and what's.

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<v Speaker 4>Called uh no, the the.

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<v Speaker 2>If you commit a foul off the field of play,

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<v Speaker 2>right up one of our direct free kick fouls, which

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<v Speaker 2>are charging, jumping, kicking or attempting to kick, pushing, striking, tripping,

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<v Speaker 2>right if you do any of those outside of the

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<v Speaker 2>field of play. The restart is whatever that correlating free kicks,

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<v Speaker 2>in this case direct free kick at the closest point

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<v Speaker 2>on the field of play right so the line basically

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<v Speaker 2>on the field to play. So here that would have

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<v Speaker 2>been if the foul occurred outside the field of field

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<v Speaker 2>of play right in still inside the penalty area because those.

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<v Speaker 4>Lines do still extend.

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<v Speaker 2>If that's you know, the closest point out is inside

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<v Speaker 2>the penalty area, well, then that's the penalty kick. So

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<v Speaker 2>if you are off the field of play in the

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<v Speaker 2>you know you you're you're outside. Say you're a defender

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<v Speaker 2>and yes, you've managed to get your attacker outside the

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<v Speaker 2>field to play and you punch somebody, Well, the restarter

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<v Speaker 2>is a direct free kick from the closest point on

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<v Speaker 2>the field of play, And if you're inside the boundary

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<v Speaker 2>of the penalty area, that's penalty gay.

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<v Speaker 4>So yeah, now that's two players.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, if there's a outside agent or a substitution involved,

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<v Speaker 2>that's different. But for this particular instance, yeah, two players

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<v Speaker 2>going in for a challenge. If there's a foul off

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<v Speaker 2>the field to play, then you take that and of

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<v Speaker 2>that closest point is inside the penalty area, then it

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<v Speaker 2>is a penalty.

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<v Speaker 1>Kick, okay, because there were folks that were saying that

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<v Speaker 1>because that because Ilah's having the foulla cur off the

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<v Speaker 1>field of play, that that was not impacting any kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a call in the gal I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure those some of those were the three guys

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<v Speaker 2>who got yellow cards for this.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

432
00:22:25.000 --> 00:22:31.960
<v Speaker 1>Well, and then the subsequent coming together of multiple individuals

433
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<v Speaker 1>and trying to discuss things with Ismir Pek Midge.

434
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<v Speaker 2>I didn't think peck Midge had a great game, but

435
00:22:38.720 --> 00:22:41.720
<v Speaker 2>I thought he handled anyone. There was another one I

436
00:22:41.759 --> 00:22:47.920
<v Speaker 2>think Elay, I don't know how to pronounce. Yeah, I

437
00:22:48.039 --> 00:22:50.039
<v Speaker 2>had another one later in the match where he just

438
00:22:50.279 --> 00:22:53.119
<v Speaker 2>immediately ran up and like said something and he got

439
00:22:53.160 --> 00:22:54.160
<v Speaker 2>a yellow card immediately.

440
00:22:54.160 --> 00:22:56.880
<v Speaker 4>So I thought, I thought that was handled.

441
00:22:56.880 --> 00:22:57.160
<v Speaker 3>Well.

442
00:22:58.079 --> 00:23:01.480
<v Speaker 2>You're a and I had this discussion with a coach yesterday.

443
00:23:01.640 --> 00:23:05.240
<v Speaker 2>You're allowed to have a conversation to ask questions, right,

444
00:23:06.079 --> 00:23:08.440
<v Speaker 2>needs to be in a respectful manner. And running up

445
00:23:08.519 --> 00:23:13.480
<v Speaker 2>to the referee with three four ten of your friends

446
00:23:13.519 --> 00:23:17.759
<v Speaker 2>not respectful and is not in the spirit of getting

447
00:23:17.839 --> 00:23:19.279
<v Speaker 2>of understanding.

448
00:23:18.680 --> 00:23:20.880
<v Speaker 4>What the call was. Does that make sense?

449
00:23:21.599 --> 00:23:23.160
<v Speaker 2>And sometimes you have to ask do you want to

450
00:23:23.240 --> 00:23:24.640
<v Speaker 2>yell at me or do you want to do you

451
00:23:24.680 --> 00:23:28.319
<v Speaker 2>want an explanation? Because only one of those isn't allowed.

452
00:23:28.319 --> 00:23:29.839
<v Speaker 2>The other one's going to get you a yellow card.

453
00:23:30.119 --> 00:23:32.880
<v Speaker 2>And that's what happened here. You know, you had even

454
00:23:32.960 --> 00:23:36.000
<v Speaker 2>the captain can still get a yellow card when again

455
00:23:36.799 --> 00:23:41.759
<v Speaker 2>the referee. While we're you know, we should be a

456
00:23:41.799 --> 00:23:45.400
<v Speaker 2>little bit understanding of emotions of the players. The players

457
00:23:45.480 --> 00:23:48.920
<v Speaker 2>have to keep themselves in within their emotions. Right, just

458
00:23:48.960 --> 00:23:51.240
<v Speaker 2>because you're mad at a call that your team got

459
00:23:51.279 --> 00:23:52.000
<v Speaker 2>a penalty.

460
00:23:51.759 --> 00:23:54.480
<v Speaker 4>Kick does not give you the right to get up

461
00:23:54.519 --> 00:23:56.720
<v Speaker 4>in a referee's face and yell at him.

462
00:23:57.079 --> 00:23:59.640
<v Speaker 2>And again that this did not look to me like

463
00:23:59.680 --> 00:24:01.440
<v Speaker 2>they're genuinely asking a question.

464
00:24:01.240 --> 00:24:03.920
<v Speaker 4>About why that was a penalty kick. There seemed to

465
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<v Speaker 4>be no.

466
00:24:06.359 --> 00:24:10.319
<v Speaker 2>True intentions of finding information here. They were just mad

467
00:24:10.319 --> 00:24:13.079
<v Speaker 2>and yelling and they really only have themselves to blame

468
00:24:13.160 --> 00:24:16.799
<v Speaker 2>because you gave up a stupid red card. Dog So

469
00:24:17.039 --> 00:24:18.880
<v Speaker 2>it was a little soft, but it was it was

470
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<v Speaker 2>a foul and it was dog.

471
00:24:21.279 --> 00:24:27.680
<v Speaker 1>So okay, So let's walk through Niels and Mosquita and

472
00:24:27.880 --> 00:24:32.799
<v Speaker 1>that moment with dog so ball over the top, calf, Yeah,

473
00:24:32.920 --> 00:24:37.039
<v Speaker 1>ball over the top. Mosquita is in hot pursuit. He

474
00:24:37.160 --> 00:24:42.119
<v Speaker 1>gets there first, niless in trying to defend. That's the

475
00:24:42.160 --> 00:24:45.839
<v Speaker 1>word that I'll use, defend against musketa trying to gain

476
00:24:45.880 --> 00:24:49.119
<v Speaker 1>possession in his follow through of trying to make contact

477
00:24:49.240 --> 00:24:51.839
<v Speaker 1>with the ball or whatever the situation is, whatever you

478
00:24:51.920 --> 00:24:56.000
<v Speaker 1>want to phrase. It makes contact with Mosquita's right hamstring

479
00:24:56.079 --> 00:25:01.200
<v Speaker 1>on his follow through. So dog so and what else

480
00:25:01.240 --> 00:25:02.200
<v Speaker 1>comes into play here?

481
00:25:02.279 --> 00:25:02.519
<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

482
00:25:02.599 --> 00:25:06.160
<v Speaker 2>So it's it's dog though, right, especially in this instance,

483
00:25:06.400 --> 00:25:11.920
<v Speaker 2>he is definitely going through the d's direction headed toward goals.

484
00:25:12.359 --> 00:25:14.839
<v Speaker 4>Right, he is headed toward goal distance.

485
00:25:14.960 --> 00:25:16.799
<v Speaker 2>I mean what I think it was a yard outside

486
00:25:16.799 --> 00:25:20.359
<v Speaker 2>the penalty area. Maybe I forget exactly where, but I mean, look,

487
00:25:20.400 --> 00:25:28.319
<v Speaker 2>that's close right defenders right, there may have been a

488
00:25:28.359 --> 00:25:31.920
<v Speaker 2>defender close ish by, I think maybe the I think

489
00:25:31.920 --> 00:25:33.160
<v Speaker 2>it was the left center back.

490
00:25:33.279 --> 00:25:34.839
<v Speaker 4>Maybe he possibly was close.

491
00:25:34.880 --> 00:25:37.759
<v Speaker 2>But then we talk about distance not just to the goal,

492
00:25:37.799 --> 00:25:41.200
<v Speaker 2>but distance from mosquetto to the ball, and he was

493
00:25:41.599 --> 00:25:44.400
<v Speaker 2>very much still in control of the ball at that

494
00:25:44.440 --> 00:25:47.480
<v Speaker 2>point in time. He gets kicked, which is a foul.

495
00:25:47.480 --> 00:25:49.319
<v Speaker 2>We just went through the direct free kick fouls to

496
00:25:49.400 --> 00:25:52.680
<v Speaker 2>kicking is one of them. And at that point it's

497
00:25:52.720 --> 00:25:57.920
<v Speaker 2>either dog so or yellow card. But in this case,

498
00:25:58.000 --> 00:26:01.200
<v Speaker 2>dog so looked pretty I mean legit again, I think

499
00:26:01.240 --> 00:26:03.880
<v Speaker 2>it's soft because the foul wasn't like I don't think

500
00:26:03.920 --> 00:26:08.960
<v Speaker 2>the foul was intended to like stop Musketa from scoring

501
00:26:09.000 --> 00:26:11.640
<v Speaker 2>a goal necessarily, but he found him and at that

502
00:26:11.720 --> 00:26:14.599
<v Speaker 2>point it's dogged so and that's just you know, the

503
00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:15.400
<v Speaker 2>letter of.

504
00:26:15.400 --> 00:26:20.400
<v Speaker 1>The law here walking walking through it. As I'm sitting

505
00:26:20.400 --> 00:26:23.480
<v Speaker 1>here and watching, and Nielus is the first person to

506
00:26:23.519 --> 00:26:26.359
<v Speaker 1>sit there and wave his finger and oh I didn't

507
00:26:26.400 --> 00:26:31.960
<v Speaker 1>do it. So literally it comes over the top as

508
00:26:32.000 --> 00:26:33.839
<v Speaker 1>I sit in like I said, I'm playing. I'm playing

509
00:26:33.839 --> 00:26:37.519
<v Speaker 1>it right now as we're talking about it. But it

510
00:26:37.720 --> 00:26:41.720
<v Speaker 1>was over the top. Moskeita gets there first. Neelas on

511
00:26:41.799 --> 00:26:46.799
<v Speaker 1>the follow through once again just basically ends up kicking Mosquita,

512
00:26:48.240 --> 00:26:51.359
<v Speaker 1>and I mean literally Nilas is not looking. He's looking

513
00:26:51.359 --> 00:26:53.480
<v Speaker 1>at the ball and he's trying to do the the

514
00:26:53.480 --> 00:26:56.240
<v Speaker 1>the basket catch over the shoulder and in his follow

515
00:26:56.240 --> 00:26:58.359
<v Speaker 1>through hits Miskeita. The fact that he doesn't know that

516
00:26:58.440 --> 00:27:01.440
<v Speaker 1>Mosqita is not there for a double negative makes no

517
00:27:01.559 --> 00:27:02.559
<v Speaker 1>impact on the call.

518
00:27:02.640 --> 00:27:05.160
<v Speaker 3>Contact is still contact correct.

519
00:27:04.799 --> 00:27:06.599
<v Speaker 2>And that's that's the thing here, is that there was

520
00:27:06.640 --> 00:27:09.839
<v Speaker 2>a foul committed and then we do because of the situation,

521
00:27:09.920 --> 00:27:11.839
<v Speaker 2>we have to go through the dog the deeds of dogs,

522
00:27:12.039 --> 00:27:14.279
<v Speaker 2>and I think most of them are met. Again, the

523
00:27:14.279 --> 00:27:16.480
<v Speaker 2>only one that's a little if he is defenders. But

524
00:27:16.559 --> 00:27:20.279
<v Speaker 2>I think in this case the defenders weren't going to

525
00:27:20.319 --> 00:27:24.920
<v Speaker 2>be able to stop the obvious goal scoring opportunity. And

526
00:27:25.000 --> 00:27:26.720
<v Speaker 2>so I think, again, this is this is a pretty

527
00:27:26.720 --> 00:27:31.119
<v Speaker 2>straightforward red card when you look, once the deeds of

528
00:27:31.240 --> 00:27:32.319
<v Speaker 2>dogs are applied.

529
00:27:32.599 --> 00:27:37.480
<v Speaker 1>You have one fellow center back for Red Bulls who

530
00:27:37.680 --> 00:27:43.519
<v Speaker 1>is seven yards further away, so like seven yards away

531
00:27:43.519 --> 00:27:45.759
<v Speaker 1>from the point of contact and behind.

532
00:27:46.400 --> 00:27:48.759
<v Speaker 3>So I don't think that that player could catch it.

533
00:27:49.240 --> 00:27:50.359
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I don't think so either.

534
00:27:51.079 --> 00:27:52.680
<v Speaker 2>Again, that's the only one that I see that like

535
00:27:52.839 --> 00:27:55.920
<v Speaker 2>possibly maybe you could talk about, but it's like, I

536
00:27:55.920 --> 00:27:58.359
<v Speaker 2>don't think he's again, I don't think he's stopping Musketta

537
00:27:58.599 --> 00:27:59.680
<v Speaker 2>in his attempt on goal.

538
00:27:59.720 --> 00:28:04.400
<v Speaker 1>There, you know, So those were I think that was

539
00:28:04.480 --> 00:28:07.640
<v Speaker 1>the Let me ask you this before we get into

540
00:28:07.759 --> 00:28:10.799
<v Speaker 1>Mark Geiger in the interview from Soccer America and specifically

541
00:28:10.799 --> 00:28:15.720
<v Speaker 1>the var element that he talks about.

542
00:28:14.480 --> 00:28:17.519
<v Speaker 3>When it comes to a player.

543
00:28:18.839 --> 00:28:21.480
<v Speaker 1>And whether you know captain can come up to you,

544
00:28:22.079 --> 00:28:24.599
<v Speaker 1>players come together, they try to influence and all these

545
00:28:24.680 --> 00:28:28.920
<v Speaker 1>kinds of things. When it comes to magic words for

546
00:28:29.119 --> 00:28:33.519
<v Speaker 1>you and whether I mean there, I'm because, like I said,

547
00:28:33.559 --> 00:28:35.720
<v Speaker 1>there were some umps in Major League Baseball that's sat there,

548
00:28:35.720 --> 00:28:37.119
<v Speaker 1>and it's like, I know, if a manager is hot,

549
00:28:37.160 --> 00:28:38.839
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna let him talk. But the second you start

550
00:28:38.839 --> 00:28:41.599
<v Speaker 1>talking about my family or you say a magic word,

551
00:28:41.599 --> 00:28:43.480
<v Speaker 1>then we're done. You can say whatever you want about me,

552
00:28:43.759 --> 00:28:46.160
<v Speaker 1>but you start talking about my family, then we're done.

553
00:28:46.400 --> 00:28:49.839
<v Speaker 1>What about magic words for you and and those that

554
00:28:49.920 --> 00:28:53.319
<v Speaker 1>are around that you have conversations that are a part

555
00:28:53.359 --> 00:28:56.599
<v Speaker 1>of your circle when it comes to limits of where

556
00:28:56.759 --> 00:28:59.559
<v Speaker 1>and how far either a captain can go or a

557
00:28:59.640 --> 00:29:02.240
<v Speaker 1>claud or can go before you start going blackjack dealer

558
00:29:02.279 --> 00:29:02.759
<v Speaker 1>and every book.

559
00:29:03.519 --> 00:29:06.720
<v Speaker 2>So my similarly, my my whole thing is you don't

560
00:29:06.759 --> 00:29:09.359
<v Speaker 2>get to talk about me personally. You can't call me

561
00:29:09.440 --> 00:29:12.039
<v Speaker 2>an idiot, you can't call you know, you can't curse

562
00:29:12.119 --> 00:29:16.000
<v Speaker 2>at me. Now you can say that's explicit warning, you

563
00:29:16.000 --> 00:29:19.480
<v Speaker 2>can say that's bullshit, and I'll go, well, right, because

564
00:29:19.519 --> 00:29:22.240
<v Speaker 2>I understand again, I'm understanding that people are going to

565
00:29:22.359 --> 00:29:25.279
<v Speaker 2>be an emotional and I personally like to use colorful

566
00:29:25.319 --> 00:29:28.119
<v Speaker 2>language as well. But as soon as you talk about

567
00:29:28.119 --> 00:29:31.000
<v Speaker 2>it at me, that's gonna be the problem. And and

568
00:29:31.039 --> 00:29:33.480
<v Speaker 2>if you call me stupid, if you call me an idiot,

569
00:29:33.480 --> 00:29:35.680
<v Speaker 2>if you say I don't know what I'm doing, those

570
00:29:35.680 --> 00:29:38.759
<v Speaker 2>types of yeah, those are the things that I personally

571
00:29:40.480 --> 00:29:44.359
<v Speaker 2>don't tolerate, right and especially.

572
00:29:44.000 --> 00:29:45.119
<v Speaker 4>The what do you you know?

573
00:29:45.200 --> 00:29:45.880
<v Speaker 3>What are you doing?

574
00:29:47.480 --> 00:29:47.759
<v Speaker 4>You know.

575
00:29:49.680 --> 00:29:52.400
<v Speaker 2>Any anything of that line, you know, like do your job?

576
00:29:52.519 --> 00:29:55.279
<v Speaker 2>Stuff like that does does send me a little bit

577
00:29:55.319 --> 00:29:57.279
<v Speaker 2>over too, because I'm like, well, one, I know what

578
00:29:57.279 --> 00:29:59.359
<v Speaker 2>I'm doing, because I've been doing this for twenty plus

579
00:29:59.440 --> 00:30:02.359
<v Speaker 2>years of my life. I've also played the sport just

580
00:30:02.400 --> 00:30:05.000
<v Speaker 2>as long as you coaches have, in some cases a

581
00:30:05.000 --> 00:30:07.119
<v Speaker 2>lot longer than the coaches have, despite what they want

582
00:30:07.160 --> 00:30:09.559
<v Speaker 2>to believe, because apparently any coach with a British accent,

583
00:30:09.920 --> 00:30:12.599
<v Speaker 2>you know, there's more the sport than anyone who's ever existed.

584
00:30:13.279 --> 00:30:15.359
<v Speaker 2>Bite me playing at a higher level than some of them,

585
00:30:15.599 --> 00:30:17.599
<v Speaker 2>and playing the sport longer than some of them, but.

586
00:30:17.960 --> 00:30:19.559
<v Speaker 4>They don't like to hear that.

587
00:30:21.200 --> 00:30:23.880
<v Speaker 2>You know, There's only been two coaches that I've actually coached,

588
00:30:24.680 --> 00:30:26.359
<v Speaker 2>that I've actually had on the sideline that I can

589
00:30:26.359 --> 00:30:29.480
<v Speaker 2>definitively say have a better playing experience than I did.

590
00:30:29.799 --> 00:30:31.640
<v Speaker 4>And both of those guys played in a World Cup,

591
00:30:31.759 --> 00:30:34.640
<v Speaker 4>so I concede.

592
00:30:34.119 --> 00:30:36.720
<v Speaker 2>That to them, right, But most of the coaches, I'm like, okay, great,

593
00:30:36.720 --> 00:30:37.519
<v Speaker 2>you've played in college.

594
00:30:37.559 --> 00:30:40.599
<v Speaker 4>Well I got news for you. But you know.

595
00:30:42.200 --> 00:30:44.559
<v Speaker 2>There are just levels that Again, when you start talking

596
00:30:44.599 --> 00:30:47.960
<v Speaker 2>about me and questioning my credentials and ability to call

597
00:30:48.000 --> 00:30:50.839
<v Speaker 2>the match is when we're getting get into a problem.

598
00:30:51.319 --> 00:30:53.759
<v Speaker 2>You know, some coaches just like to yell. I had

599
00:30:53.799 --> 00:30:55.960
<v Speaker 2>one of those this weekend where I just know they

600
00:30:56.039 --> 00:30:59.200
<v Speaker 2>like to yell, and I know that I tuned them out,

601
00:31:00.200 --> 00:31:03.039
<v Speaker 2>and I know it probably doesn't help necessarily the situation

602
00:31:03.119 --> 00:31:05.000
<v Speaker 2>all the time. But if I were to go ask

603
00:31:05.079 --> 00:31:07.400
<v Speaker 2>him to be quiet after every time he yells something

604
00:31:07.440 --> 00:31:08.599
<v Speaker 2>about ref, you know.

605
00:31:08.599 --> 00:31:13.000
<v Speaker 4>Ref that's that's about.

606
00:31:11.960 --> 00:31:14.000
<v Speaker 2>We wouldn't be playing soccer. I'd have to add twenty

607
00:31:14.000 --> 00:31:14.960
<v Speaker 2>minutes of extra time.

608
00:31:15.119 --> 00:31:16.759
<v Speaker 4>Right. So at some point, I.

609
00:31:16.839 --> 00:31:20.440
<v Speaker 2>Fear if he doesn't cross the line of talking about

610
00:31:20.640 --> 00:31:24.440
<v Speaker 2>me directly or saying bad things about players themselves, that's

611
00:31:24.440 --> 00:31:26.559
<v Speaker 2>the other thing that I'll get into. But you know,

612
00:31:27.119 --> 00:31:30.720
<v Speaker 2>as long as you're not talking about me, I can

613
00:31:30.839 --> 00:31:34.640
<v Speaker 2>let you, you know, yell a little bit cursing though

614
00:31:34.720 --> 00:31:37.160
<v Speaker 2>I do you know I I will allow players to

615
00:31:37.799 --> 00:31:40.279
<v Speaker 2>say a curse word out of frustration, but again, once

616
00:31:40.319 --> 00:31:43.279
<v Speaker 2>that comes into the actual conversation we're having, that's gonna

617
00:31:43.279 --> 00:31:45.799
<v Speaker 2>be a problem. You know, I gave a yellow card

618
00:31:45.799 --> 00:31:49.880
<v Speaker 2>to a kid for dissent because you know everything, he's everything.

619
00:31:50.400 --> 00:31:53.079
<v Speaker 2>Had a question as a foul call, Why was that

620
00:31:53.119 --> 00:31:54.519
<v Speaker 2>a foul? What do you mean about that?

621
00:31:54.559 --> 00:31:55.119
<v Speaker 4>How do you do that?

622
00:31:55.160 --> 00:31:57.839
<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, this isn't this. This isn't again fact

623
00:31:57.880 --> 00:32:00.880
<v Speaker 2>finding missions. This is a form of scent when it's

624
00:32:00.920 --> 00:32:05.039
<v Speaker 2>after every single time, you know, And and I would

625
00:32:05.079 --> 00:32:07.880
<v Speaker 2>even try to I tried to explain calls to him,

626
00:32:07.960 --> 00:32:10.759
<v Speaker 2>and he still was arguing, and I said, okay, well,

627
00:32:10.799 --> 00:32:12.480
<v Speaker 2>if you're not going to listen to the explanation that

628
00:32:12.519 --> 00:32:15.079
<v Speaker 2>I gave you, then here's your yellow card. Because this

629
00:32:15.240 --> 00:32:18.119
<v Speaker 2>is you are more than welcome to ask me about

630
00:32:18.160 --> 00:32:19.920
<v Speaker 2>why did I call a foul on you? That's fine,

631
00:32:19.920 --> 00:32:23.480
<v Speaker 2>But when I give the explanation and you continue to

632
00:32:23.519 --> 00:32:27.400
<v Speaker 2>ask the question, then again you're not on a fact

633
00:32:27.400 --> 00:32:28.119
<v Speaker 2>finding mission.

634
00:32:28.200 --> 00:32:29.279
<v Speaker 4>You're just here to argue.

635
00:32:29.319 --> 00:32:34.200
<v Speaker 2>And Dan, yeah, captains can talk to the referees, they

636
00:32:34.279 --> 00:32:36.400
<v Speaker 2>cannot do what I think.

637
00:32:36.440 --> 00:32:39.200
<v Speaker 4>Cornell was the captain at that time. I don't remember.

638
00:32:39.880 --> 00:32:41.400
<v Speaker 2>Well, one of the three guys who got a yellow

639
00:32:41.440 --> 00:32:45.319
<v Speaker 2>card and that thing against Red Bulls, one of them

640
00:32:45.400 --> 00:32:49.200
<v Speaker 2>was the captain and you cannot run up to a referee.

641
00:32:49.319 --> 00:32:52.039
<v Speaker 2>Oh it wasn't Fordsburg, Okay, I cannot remember.

642
00:32:52.079 --> 00:32:52.519
<v Speaker 4>It is Cornell.

643
00:32:53.839 --> 00:32:55.680
<v Speaker 3>Cornell was a part of it. It was Cornell.

644
00:32:56.000 --> 00:32:59.640
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't remember who was the captain in the referees

645
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<v Speaker 2>face and point a finger at him. Even if you're

646
00:33:01.839 --> 00:33:06.000
<v Speaker 2>the captain, that's not that's not because, for one thing,

647
00:33:06.039 --> 00:33:11.119
<v Speaker 2>we expect the captains to be the responsible leaders, to

648
00:33:11.160 --> 00:33:12.799
<v Speaker 2>have a sense of decorum on the field.

649
00:33:12.960 --> 00:33:13.160
<v Speaker 3>Right.

650
00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:17.359
<v Speaker 2>If you don't act like that, then you're no better

651
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<v Speaker 2>than any of the other players. You're supposed to be

652
00:33:19.279 --> 00:33:22.920
<v Speaker 2>the responsible one, right and once you stop acting like that,

653
00:33:23.079 --> 00:33:25.039
<v Speaker 2>then you're going to get a yellow card too. So yeah,

654
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<v Speaker 2>the captains have the right to talk to the referees

655
00:33:27.960 --> 00:33:31.759
<v Speaker 2>to ask questions in a respectful manner.

656
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<v Speaker 3>All right.

657
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<v Speaker 1>Last topic for this week is VAR and there was

658
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<v Speaker 1>it was ish discussion was there from Dale Johnson and

659
00:33:43.839 --> 00:33:48.720
<v Speaker 1>his column this week specifically about impact of a particular

660
00:33:48.759 --> 00:33:52.200
<v Speaker 1>activity and how it applies to VAR, specifically the virgil

661
00:33:52.279 --> 00:33:57.160
<v Speaker 1>Van Dijk moment with Mark Gahey compared to Everton and

662
00:33:57.200 --> 00:34:02.119
<v Speaker 1>sandro Tonali. But Mark gave an interview to Soccer America

663
00:34:03.200 --> 00:34:07.759
<v Speaker 1>and it discusses VAR and what it is, what it

664
00:34:07.839 --> 00:34:09.599
<v Speaker 1>is I guess, and what it isn't. And this I

665
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<v Speaker 1>thought was the key passage here with Mark Geiger quote

666
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<v Speaker 1>from Soccer America. What's the key to good VAR implementation?

667
00:34:19.440 --> 00:34:23.760
<v Speaker 1>Geiger quote? The question VARs need to ask themselves is

668
00:34:23.960 --> 00:34:28.440
<v Speaker 1>not is the decision correct? They're concerned with is the

669
00:34:28.519 --> 00:34:33.400
<v Speaker 1>decision clearly wrong? Anything that's subjective where you can make

670
00:34:33.440 --> 00:34:37.159
<v Speaker 1>an argument both ways, that's not for VAR. If the

671
00:34:37.280 --> 00:34:40.880
<v Speaker 1>VARs are asking themselves the wrong question and trying to

672
00:34:40.920 --> 00:34:44.039
<v Speaker 1>determine if it's right or wrong, that could delay the

673
00:34:44.079 --> 00:34:47.719
<v Speaker 1>restart and the process seems much longer. Whereas if you

674
00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:50.280
<v Speaker 1>can sit there and say, quote, I can see it

675
00:34:50.360 --> 00:34:53.079
<v Speaker 1>given or I can see it not given, this is

676
00:34:53.119 --> 00:34:55.599
<v Speaker 1>not a clear error that's not for me, then it's

677
00:34:55.639 --> 00:34:59.400
<v Speaker 1>a much more efficient process. So I thought that that

678
00:34:59.639 --> 00:35:05.559
<v Speaker 1>was in interesting that Geiger is having that he believes

679
00:35:05.559 --> 00:35:09.119
<v Speaker 1>that GOODVAR implementation literally look at it from one hundred

680
00:35:09.119 --> 00:35:12.920
<v Speaker 1>and eighty degrees. Don't look at it like we're seeing Unfortunately,

681
00:35:13.039 --> 00:35:18.280
<v Speaker 1>I think too much where you have vrs re refereeing

682
00:35:18.360 --> 00:35:22.559
<v Speaker 1>a play instead of sitting there and asking themselves. From

683
00:35:22.599 --> 00:35:26.960
<v Speaker 1>Geiger's point of view, is the decision clearly wrong? Where

684
00:35:27.039 --> 00:35:29.159
<v Speaker 1>I think a lot of times in Major League Soccer

685
00:35:29.199 --> 00:35:33.840
<v Speaker 1>this year, in these Monday discussions that we have, it's

686
00:35:33.840 --> 00:35:37.400
<v Speaker 1>not from the Geiger standpoint, is the decision clearly wrong?

687
00:35:38.039 --> 00:35:41.119
<v Speaker 1>You have too many var decisions sadly where they're going

688
00:35:41.239 --> 00:35:44.000
<v Speaker 1>is the decision correct instead of the inverse here?

689
00:35:44.239 --> 00:35:47.400
<v Speaker 4>And I think that is valid.

690
00:35:47.519 --> 00:35:49.480
<v Speaker 2>I think that's probably the issue we get into a

691
00:35:49.519 --> 00:35:51.880
<v Speaker 2>lot of times with a certain league across the pond

692
00:35:51.920 --> 00:35:54.039
<v Speaker 2>that things they know how to do, everything is they

693
00:35:54.039 --> 00:35:58.719
<v Speaker 2>are looking at for them. It almost feels like a

694
00:35:58.760 --> 00:36:01.639
<v Speaker 2>meat measuring contest who to see which one we can

695
00:36:01.639 --> 00:36:08.159
<v Speaker 2>get it more? And the reality is we're all team referee,

696
00:36:08.559 --> 00:36:10.360
<v Speaker 2>whce we put on that uniform, and we need to

697
00:36:10.400 --> 00:36:12.360
<v Speaker 2>be doing the best we can to support the guy

698
00:36:12.360 --> 00:36:15.039
<v Speaker 2>in the middle, who, by the way, is making a

699
00:36:15.119 --> 00:36:21.719
<v Speaker 2>billion decisions to ninety seven, eight, ten, twelve. However, many

700
00:36:21.800 --> 00:36:23.199
<v Speaker 2>minutes of South Chine is going on.

701
00:36:25.960 --> 00:36:27.920
<v Speaker 4>Again, it's clear and obvious.

702
00:36:28.239 --> 00:36:33.519
<v Speaker 2>Error has always been the term used for var not

703
00:36:34.800 --> 00:36:40.119
<v Speaker 2>clear and obviously not correct, clear and obvious error. And so,

704
00:36:40.239 --> 00:36:46.320
<v Speaker 2>for example, VAR looking at the dog so on Nilus

705
00:36:46.400 --> 00:36:49.760
<v Speaker 2>in the Atlanta United game, the referee gave the red

706
00:36:49.800 --> 00:36:52.760
<v Speaker 2>card on the field, right, that was the on field

707
00:36:52.800 --> 00:36:57.159
<v Speaker 2>decision that point. The VAR is just looking to make

708
00:36:57.199 --> 00:37:02.760
<v Speaker 2>sure that the referee did not clearly screw up all

709
00:37:02.840 --> 00:37:05.400
<v Speaker 2>the d's that are required for dogso and as we

710
00:37:05.480 --> 00:37:08.079
<v Speaker 2>just talked about, sure, you could make an argument that

711
00:37:08.119 --> 00:37:11.280
<v Speaker 2>there may be is a defender in the area, but

712
00:37:11.320 --> 00:37:15.199
<v Speaker 2>that is not a clear and obvious error right for

713
00:37:15.280 --> 00:37:18.599
<v Speaker 2>the referee in that situation, the referee did not make

714
00:37:18.639 --> 00:37:20.639
<v Speaker 2>a clear and obvious error by saying, well, that player

715
00:37:20.679 --> 00:37:22.519
<v Speaker 2>who's seven yards away.

716
00:37:24.159 --> 00:37:26.800
<v Speaker 4>Is in the play. No, that's that is subjective.

717
00:37:27.000 --> 00:37:28.559
<v Speaker 2>But I mean we're talking like you need to be

718
00:37:29.079 --> 00:37:32.400
<v Speaker 2>a couple of yards away, you know, within reasonable ability

719
00:37:32.440 --> 00:37:36.960
<v Speaker 2>to play, to be involved in active play. And so

720
00:37:37.000 --> 00:37:40.360
<v Speaker 2>that's a good I think Geiger is spot on. That

721
00:37:40.480 --> 00:37:43.559
<v Speaker 2>is the issue as we're looking at to say, oh,

722
00:37:43.599 --> 00:37:48.559
<v Speaker 2>well was he wrong, instead of well, let's almost validate

723
00:37:48.599 --> 00:37:49.239
<v Speaker 2>that he was right.

724
00:37:49.519 --> 00:37:50.320
<v Speaker 4>Does that make sense?

725
00:37:50.480 --> 00:37:52.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And that's why I think that looking at it,

726
00:37:52.960 --> 00:37:55.559
<v Speaker 1>there are too many I think we have too many

727
00:37:55.559 --> 00:37:59.039
<v Speaker 1>instances specifically, Like I said, we talk about here on Mondays,

728
00:37:59.440 --> 00:38:03.760
<v Speaker 1>where it ends up being looked at from that beginning. Yeah,

729
00:38:03.960 --> 00:38:08.440
<v Speaker 1>instead of the one eighty that Geiger is asking that

730
00:38:08.639 --> 00:38:09.519
<v Speaker 1>var need.

731
00:38:09.440 --> 00:38:10.719
<v Speaker 3>To look at the situation.

732
00:38:10.840 --> 00:38:12.840
<v Speaker 2>Now, let's be clear, there is one rule that we

733
00:38:12.880 --> 00:38:15.599
<v Speaker 2>talk about a lot that is cut and dry, black

734
00:38:15.599 --> 00:38:18.280
<v Speaker 2>and white, and that is the off side.

735
00:38:18.360 --> 00:38:18.639
<v Speaker 4>Now.

736
00:38:19.000 --> 00:38:22.519
<v Speaker 2>I think Atlanta got pailed out I won this past weekend.

737
00:38:22.559 --> 00:38:25.000
<v Speaker 2>I think he was offside, but you know, maybe Brad

738
00:38:25.079 --> 00:38:26.239
<v Speaker 2>just stain his goal on occasion.

739
00:38:27.000 --> 00:38:28.559
<v Speaker 4>He's not twenty five anymore.

740
00:38:28.599 --> 00:38:31.280
<v Speaker 2>He's a little slower than he thinks. But that was

741
00:38:31.320 --> 00:38:34.639
<v Speaker 2>a good example of well, let's offside, as he's either

742
00:38:34.679 --> 00:38:36.800
<v Speaker 2>offside or he's not right. But he is either in

743
00:38:36.840 --> 00:38:39.239
<v Speaker 2>an offside position or he is not in an offside position.

744
00:38:39.320 --> 00:38:42.039
<v Speaker 2>Similar to the ball either crossed the goal line or

745
00:38:42.079 --> 00:38:45.800
<v Speaker 2>it did not right. There's no black and white about that.

746
00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:48.519
<v Speaker 2>There's no subjectivity to that. So I do think that

747
00:38:48.679 --> 00:38:52.159
<v Speaker 2>you know, when you're looking at it, especially in the

748
00:38:52.159 --> 00:38:56.280
<v Speaker 2>Premier League or other leagues where they'd use some tools

749
00:38:56.320 --> 00:39:00.280
<v Speaker 2>to help them make that decision, that needs to be

750
00:39:00.800 --> 00:39:03.239
<v Speaker 2>looked at as we're just judging if this is offside

751
00:39:03.320 --> 00:39:06.639
<v Speaker 2>or not right, but we're not judging, well, is that

752
00:39:06.719 --> 00:39:07.320
<v Speaker 2>a foul or not?

753
00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:10.840
<v Speaker 4>Does that make sense? Because again we've talked about fowls are.

754
00:39:10.760 --> 00:39:17.039
<v Speaker 2>Not necessarily subjective, but they are, you know, a little squishy, right.

755
00:39:17.119 --> 00:39:19.000
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes you could have a fact and you go, I

756
00:39:19.039 --> 00:39:20.239
<v Speaker 2>don't really think that was a foul.

757
00:39:20.320 --> 00:39:22.320
<v Speaker 1>Well, but I mean, what is it that doctor Joe

758
00:39:22.360 --> 00:39:24.719
<v Speaker 1>says when he when he gives his speeches, It's like

759
00:39:24.760 --> 00:39:26.440
<v Speaker 1>he comes out with a rule book and he sits

760
00:39:26.440 --> 00:39:27.039
<v Speaker 1>there and he says.

761
00:39:27.079 --> 00:39:31.360
<v Speaker 2>Fortunately, ghen, they're not bendable anymore. True because they're all digital,

762
00:39:31.760 --> 00:39:34.239
<v Speaker 2>but yes, the rules used to be written on paper,

763
00:39:34.280 --> 00:39:37.199
<v Speaker 2>and paper is bendable, right, And and again, you know,

764
00:39:38.000 --> 00:39:41.880
<v Speaker 2>for example, I this weekend had a U fourteen girls

765
00:39:41.920 --> 00:39:44.679
<v Speaker 2>game and a U nineteen girls game. Well, obviously my

766
00:39:44.800 --> 00:39:46.800
<v Speaker 2>standard of fouls for a U fourteen and a U

767
00:39:46.880 --> 00:39:49.440
<v Speaker 2>nineteen girls game is going to be different, right, it

768
00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:52.199
<v Speaker 2>should be. The U nineteen girls are way capable of

769
00:39:52.320 --> 00:39:55.079
<v Speaker 2>being a little physical with each other and maintaining control

770
00:39:55.360 --> 00:39:57.719
<v Speaker 2>of not only themselves but the ball and their play,

771
00:39:57.920 --> 00:40:00.320
<v Speaker 2>whereas a fourteen year olds once someone extends an arm,

772
00:40:00.920 --> 00:40:03.599
<v Speaker 2>or as a bad example, once someone gets a little

773
00:40:03.639 --> 00:40:06.039
<v Speaker 2>you know, leaning too far, into someone.

774
00:40:06.239 --> 00:40:08.039
<v Speaker 4>Well, that's probably going to cause.

775
00:40:09.320 --> 00:40:11.079
<v Speaker 2>The player to not be able to play soccer in

776
00:40:11.119 --> 00:40:13.199
<v Speaker 2>a safe manner, and so now we're gonna have to

777
00:40:13.199 --> 00:40:13.719
<v Speaker 2>call a foul.

778
00:40:13.760 --> 00:40:15.800
<v Speaker 4>So that's the part that's an example.

779
00:40:15.840 --> 00:40:18.719
<v Speaker 2>And then you look at end games where well, sometimes

780
00:40:18.840 --> 00:40:21.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, a little shove is not really a shove.

781
00:40:21.280 --> 00:40:22.639
<v Speaker 2>I mean, how many times do we see that happen

782
00:40:22.719 --> 00:40:25.400
<v Speaker 2>in the penalty area where guys pulling a shirt or

783
00:40:25.480 --> 00:40:28.760
<v Speaker 2>kind of pushing each other and then nothing happens, Because

784
00:40:29.599 --> 00:40:31.119
<v Speaker 2>why are we going to call every single foul that

785
00:40:31.119 --> 00:40:33.719
<v Speaker 2>happens in a penalty area when it results in absolutely nothing?

786
00:40:35.559 --> 00:40:39.960
<v Speaker 4>And so that's the thing is you're not you're not

787
00:40:40.079 --> 00:40:42.880
<v Speaker 4>here to re referee the game, and a lot of

788
00:40:42.880 --> 00:40:46.119
<v Speaker 4>times we do get into that, you know.

789
00:40:47.960 --> 00:40:49.800
<v Speaker 1>All right, So to the Premier League in var for

790
00:40:49.840 --> 00:40:53.960
<v Speaker 1>the last point. Dale Johnson this this week says one

791
00:40:54.000 --> 00:40:56.679
<v Speaker 1>of our's biggest problems has been managing expectations. A lot

792
00:40:56.679 --> 00:40:58.480
<v Speaker 1>of that comes down to the lack of information given

793
00:40:58.480 --> 00:41:01.039
<v Speaker 1>the fans who've been treated abysmally of the past six seasons.

794
00:41:01.079 --> 00:41:03.559
<v Speaker 1>The drip of information is improving, but it's nowhere near enough.

795
00:41:04.079 --> 00:41:06.119
<v Speaker 1>One of the issues those who run the game have

796
00:41:06.159 --> 00:41:08.199
<v Speaker 1>had to grapple with is how to get the message across.

797
00:41:08.239 --> 00:41:11.360
<v Speaker 1>Simple fact is, no two situations are ever exactly the same.

798
00:41:11.920 --> 00:41:14.519
<v Speaker 1>Both are judged on the balance of a set of criteria.

799
00:41:14.840 --> 00:41:19.199
<v Speaker 1>But when one aspect is offered an explanation, fans understandably

800
00:41:19.239 --> 00:41:24.119
<v Speaker 1>apply that to another situation. Refs know that explaining the

801
00:41:24.159 --> 00:41:27.719
<v Speaker 1>intricacies of two scenarios puts them in a no win situation,

802
00:41:28.280 --> 00:41:30.800
<v Speaker 1>so instead we just get a few tweets on X that,

803
00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:34.519
<v Speaker 1>while better than nothing, lack context. Take this weekend, Van

804
00:41:34.599 --> 00:41:37.159
<v Speaker 1>Dyke Virgil van Dyke didn't concede a penalty for holding

805
00:41:37.159 --> 00:41:39.079
<v Speaker 1>in the box because Mark Gayhee wasn't going to be

806
00:41:39.079 --> 00:41:41.880
<v Speaker 1>able to play the ball. Yet Newcastle were given a

807
00:41:41.920 --> 00:41:44.800
<v Speaker 1>penalty versus Everton, even though sandro Tonali had no chance

808
00:41:44.800 --> 00:41:47.000
<v Speaker 1>of being involved in the play before he was pulled

809
00:41:47.000 --> 00:41:50.519
<v Speaker 1>down by James Tarkowsky. The forensic nature of var has

810
00:41:50.599 --> 00:41:52.760
<v Speaker 1>led him any changes in the way the game is refereed,

811
00:41:52.800 --> 00:41:54.880
<v Speaker 1>with pages of guidance to help officials decide when they

812
00:41:54.920 --> 00:41:58.079
<v Speaker 1>should get involved. This comes down to one word impact.

813
00:41:58.559 --> 00:42:00.920
<v Speaker 1>It appears only twice in the Laws of the game,

814
00:42:01.519 --> 00:42:04.320
<v Speaker 1>both times in relation to the powers of the referee.

815
00:42:04.360 --> 00:42:04.920
<v Speaker 3>And not in.

816
00:42:04.880 --> 00:42:09.360
<v Speaker 1>Passages about offenses. Yet today it's absolutely crucial in determining

817
00:42:09.480 --> 00:42:13.079
<v Speaker 1>when VAR sends the referee to the monitor. Impact is

818
00:42:13.119 --> 00:42:15.719
<v Speaker 1>important for the referee on the field too, but it

819
00:42:15.760 --> 00:42:18.840
<v Speaker 1>defines the role of VAR in pretty much every subjective

820
00:42:18.880 --> 00:42:22.960
<v Speaker 1>situation has holding impacted an attacker from challenging the ball

821
00:42:23.199 --> 00:42:26.480
<v Speaker 1>as a player in an offside position impacted an opponent.

822
00:42:26.880 --> 00:42:30.119
<v Speaker 1>Yet impact on the play and actions of a player

823
00:42:30.159 --> 00:42:34.400
<v Speaker 1>are not completely interconnected. The nature of a challenge can

824
00:42:34.480 --> 00:42:37.559
<v Speaker 1>be the overriding factor, and that was what happened with Tonali.

825
00:42:37.719 --> 00:42:41.599
<v Speaker 1>So nothing like the Hal nine thousand when it comes

826
00:42:41.639 --> 00:42:44.159
<v Speaker 1>through the rule book, and I get.

827
00:42:43.960 --> 00:42:47.719
<v Speaker 2>It, it's hard because you know, in my understanding and

828
00:42:48.280 --> 00:42:51.079
<v Speaker 2>the only other experience I have truly of like studying

829
00:42:51.079 --> 00:42:53.840
<v Speaker 2>to be a referee is in volleyball. And I can

830
00:42:53.880 --> 00:42:56.360
<v Speaker 2>tell you that the volleyball rule book, the USAV rule book,

831
00:42:56.440 --> 00:42:58.599
<v Speaker 2>is a lot longer than the laws of the game

832
00:42:59.719 --> 00:43:02.719
<v Speaker 2>because they have a lot more things that they are

833
00:43:03.199 --> 00:43:06.599
<v Speaker 2>mechanically looking for, whereas in you know, I just read

834
00:43:06.639 --> 00:43:09.800
<v Speaker 2>the list of fouls, that's all it says, just as these.

835
00:43:09.719 --> 00:43:10.360
<v Speaker 4>Are the fouls.

836
00:43:11.280 --> 00:43:15.159
<v Speaker 3>Mm hmm, yeah, visus fouls. There you go.

837
00:43:15.280 --> 00:43:15.639
<v Speaker 4>That's it.

838
00:43:17.000 --> 00:43:19.000
<v Speaker 2>You know, there are a lot more things in the

839
00:43:19.039 --> 00:43:24.280
<v Speaker 2>earlier the the you know, earlier laws of the game,

840
00:43:24.480 --> 00:43:27.320
<v Speaker 2>like laws one through like seven that talk about a

841
00:43:27.320 --> 00:43:31.079
<v Speaker 2>lot of duties, specifically outlining the field and the duties

842
00:43:31.079 --> 00:43:35.079
<v Speaker 2>of the referee and the var the assistant referees and

843
00:43:35.199 --> 00:43:37.679
<v Speaker 2>all the players and substitutions like those get a little

844
00:43:37.719 --> 00:43:38.760
<v Speaker 2>bit more minute, but like.

845
00:43:40.199 --> 00:43:40.639
<v Speaker 4>A lot of them.

846
00:43:40.719 --> 00:43:44.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean there's seventeen laws, that's it, and a lot

847
00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:46.599
<v Speaker 2>of them are pretty short. You know, the throw in

848
00:43:47.000 --> 00:43:49.480
<v Speaker 2>law is very short, explains what a throwing is and

849
00:43:49.519 --> 00:43:52.480
<v Speaker 2>what the offenses are, the corner kick, the goal kick.

850
00:43:52.519 --> 00:43:56.960
<v Speaker 2>Those are all pretty cut and dry laws. But then

851
00:43:57.000 --> 00:43:58.400
<v Speaker 2>when you get into the ones about.

852
00:43:58.199 --> 00:44:03.159
<v Speaker 4>Fouls, they just listens. Yeah, they just listen. You know.

853
00:44:03.440 --> 00:44:07.320
<v Speaker 2>Thousand this conduct are our one whole law of the game,

854
00:44:07.400 --> 00:44:08.599
<v Speaker 2>Lot twelve, and that's.

855
00:44:10.400 --> 00:44:14.039
<v Speaker 4>You know it is it is hard to.

856
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<v Speaker 2>Explain to people who may not be working this, living

857
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<v Speaker 2>this studying this week in and week out, why this

858
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<v Speaker 2>foul may not be called and this does. But I

859
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<v Speaker 2>think that does kind of go back to the point

860
00:44:26.800 --> 00:44:31.480
<v Speaker 2>Geiger was talking about, is when we're looking to change

861
00:44:31.519 --> 00:44:34.719
<v Speaker 2>the call versus looking to maybe uphold the call or

862
00:44:34.760 --> 00:44:41.000
<v Speaker 2>confirm the call. We're going to have these these issues

863
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<v Speaker 2>where there's going to be some inconsistent.

864
00:44:42.599 --> 00:44:43.800
<v Speaker 4>And there's always going to be inconsistency.

865
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<v Speaker 2>We see this obviously in the NFL rule book that

866
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<v Speaker 2>is pretty for my knowledge, pretty darn detailed and pretty extensive,

867
00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:55.400
<v Speaker 2>and especially at the NFL level, they are very clear

868
00:44:55.519 --> 00:44:59.159
<v Speaker 2>in writing an explanation of little things they are looking for, right,

869
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<v Speaker 2>So that is in an effort to mitigate, right, the inconsistencies.

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<v Speaker 2>The problem was is with soccer because of the nature

871
00:45:11.440 --> 00:45:14.119
<v Speaker 2>of the game, how free flowing it is. How you know,

872
00:45:14.519 --> 00:45:17.360
<v Speaker 2>very rarely in football do you have a wide receiver

873
00:45:17.480 --> 00:45:20.920
<v Speaker 2>going up against the defensive lineman, right, But all the

874
00:45:20.960 --> 00:45:23.719
<v Speaker 2>time in soccer you have a center back and you know,

875
00:45:24.119 --> 00:45:29.599
<v Speaker 2>a winger with massive size advantages and very you know,

876
00:45:29.880 --> 00:45:33.079
<v Speaker 2>depending on who you ask for, very different roles on

877
00:45:33.119 --> 00:45:36.440
<v Speaker 2>the field. Everyone out there is a soccer player, right.

878
00:45:36.480 --> 00:45:39.119
<v Speaker 2>The only one person who's not a soccer player is goalkeeper.

879
00:45:39.159 --> 00:45:41.159
<v Speaker 2>And we're just doing our own little things out there.

880
00:45:41.519 --> 00:45:45.440
<v Speaker 2>But you know, it's so different than any other sport truly.

881
00:45:45.639 --> 00:45:45.880
<v Speaker 4>Right.

882
00:45:46.280 --> 00:45:48.679
<v Speaker 2>Again, going back to volleyball, you have multiple people out

883
00:45:48.679 --> 00:45:53.639
<v Speaker 2>there who have very different position duties. I mean setters, liberos.

884
00:45:53.679 --> 00:45:57.360
<v Speaker 2>They have specific rules written just about them, specifically liberos.

885
00:45:57.480 --> 00:45:59.159
<v Speaker 4>Right, we don't.

886
00:45:59.360 --> 00:46:02.239
<v Speaker 2>We have goalkeepers, but it's pretty cut and dry what

887
00:46:02.280 --> 00:46:05.920
<v Speaker 2>a goalkeeper is in cannot do right. No one else

888
00:46:05.960 --> 00:46:08.599
<v Speaker 2>on the field has special rules written about them, and

889
00:46:09.280 --> 00:46:09.760
<v Speaker 2>that is.

890
00:46:11.679 --> 00:46:13.480
<v Speaker 4>It's just soccer. It just is what it.

891
00:46:13.559 --> 00:46:16.280
<v Speaker 3>Is, all right. So what's going on with soccer for

892
00:46:16.400 --> 00:46:17.159
<v Speaker 3>us PO d.

893
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<v Speaker 2>Well, we are recording tonight about the upcoming friendlies against

894
00:46:22.159 --> 00:46:23.039
<v Speaker 2>Panama and Mexico.

895
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<v Speaker 3>You're getting close to a magic number, now, aren't you.

896
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<v Speaker 4>We are.

897
00:46:26.559 --> 00:46:29.239
<v Speaker 2>We're going to be at ninety nine after this. After

898
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<v Speaker 2>we record this episode, the next episode of ninety nine

899
00:46:31.639 --> 00:46:33.000
<v Speaker 2>and the one after that will be one hundred.

900
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<v Speaker 4>That'll be fun.

901
00:46:34.280 --> 00:46:35.079
<v Speaker 3>You're have a party.

902
00:46:35.840 --> 00:46:40.079
<v Speaker 4>Well, probably not joined US for a few years and we're

903
00:46:40.039 --> 00:46:44.360
<v Speaker 4>only at one hundred, but yeah, we'll have coverage of.

904
00:46:45.159 --> 00:46:47.840
<v Speaker 2>The men's friendlies coming up and then the women's friendlies,

905
00:46:47.880 --> 00:46:52.320
<v Speaker 2>the first friendlies after the Olympics. You know that'll be fun.

906
00:46:52.360 --> 00:46:56.719
<v Speaker 2>Obviously we have the first friendlies for Pochettino. We will

907
00:46:56.760 --> 00:46:59.440
<v Speaker 2>talk about the fact. This is the discussion point of

908
00:46:59.599 --> 00:47:02.960
<v Speaker 2>the podcast US tonight, as the roster doesn't feel that

909
00:47:03.079 --> 00:47:05.519
<v Speaker 2>much different now with some of the players that got

910
00:47:05.519 --> 00:47:07.719
<v Speaker 2>called into injury. Maybe, but like we all understand, that

911
00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:11.639
<v Speaker 2>is injury thing, and it doesn't feel that much different.

912
00:47:11.679 --> 00:47:15.039
<v Speaker 2>So how do we judge that Pochettino has actually impacted

913
00:47:15.119 --> 00:47:17.639
<v Speaker 2>this team? That's kind of the discussion point for this

914
00:47:17.679 --> 00:47:23.039
<v Speaker 2>week's episode, because again, I mean, the roster, as we've

915
00:47:23.079 --> 00:47:26.880
<v Speaker 2>said many times on soccer for us, is that the

916
00:47:26.880 --> 00:47:29.440
<v Speaker 2>players are who the players are. This player pool doesn't

917
00:47:29.440 --> 00:47:32.920
<v Speaker 2>magically somehow change. It's because Pochettino comes in. And yes,

918
00:47:32.960 --> 00:47:36.960
<v Speaker 2>maybe his eyes and perspective open up a few different names,

919
00:47:37.119 --> 00:47:40.400
<v Speaker 2>but those were probably names that Burhalter had already looked at.

920
00:47:40.440 --> 00:47:43.880
<v Speaker 2>You know, you know, I think, you know, I know

921
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<v Speaker 2>Abby was upset that Caleb Wiley doesn't get called in,

922
00:47:46.960 --> 00:47:49.119
<v Speaker 2>but well he got called in last camp because Jedi

923
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<v Speaker 2>wasn't there right well.

924
00:47:50.559 --> 00:47:53.960
<v Speaker 1>And also Caleb is nursing a knee injury according to

925
00:47:53.960 --> 00:47:55.360
<v Speaker 1>Liam Russ and your and.

926
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<v Speaker 4>He's twenty one. How are you getting injured? Man?

927
00:47:57.920 --> 00:48:00.360
<v Speaker 2>Well, I have this national team. Y'all are supposed to

928
00:48:00.360 --> 00:48:02.400
<v Speaker 2>be young and spry and fit. Why y'all get injured

929
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<v Speaker 2>all the time.

930
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<v Speaker 1>Well, and that's why he didn't play this past weekend

931
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<v Speaker 1>or Strasbourg was because.

932
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<v Speaker 3>He was out with a knee injury.

933
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<v Speaker 1>And how did I know this because of finanates FNTZ

934
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<v Speaker 1>dot slash soccer down here where I could watch Lee

935
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<v Speaker 1>Gun on all the b ns and keeping on. Literally,

936
00:48:17.559 --> 00:48:20.760
<v Speaker 1>I am watching Strasburg every single opportunity that I have

937
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<v Speaker 1>during the weekend.

938
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<v Speaker 4>So I know, yeah, uh, exactly what's going on.

939
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But I mean, John, you look at it and

940
00:48:26.960 --> 00:48:29.159
<v Speaker 2>you see I mean, look, even if Caliber were healthy,

941
00:48:29.239 --> 00:48:32.440
<v Speaker 2>I doubt he's probably in this camp because you got

942
00:48:32.480 --> 00:48:35.320
<v Speaker 2>Jedi back and you have Christopher Lund, who, by the way,

943
00:48:35.360 --> 00:48:38.800
<v Speaker 2>looked pretty darn okay in a very bad window in September.

944
00:48:38.840 --> 00:48:42.760
<v Speaker 2>So uh, you know, sorry, Abby, he's nineteen. My bad

945
00:48:42.800 --> 00:48:45.039
<v Speaker 2>even better, even better, he shouln't be getting hurt. What

946
00:48:45.039 --> 00:48:47.559
<v Speaker 2>are you getting hurt for? You're nineteen, You're joint.

947
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<v Speaker 1>Asking about Geo getting injured and being always injured.

948
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, these guys have made a glass, John.

949
00:48:55.599 --> 00:48:57.039
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, uh glass Joe.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, by the way, bart, uh, did you know that

951
00:49:00.400 --> 00:49:01.840
<v Speaker 1>those of us that all of us here at the

952
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<v Speaker 1>SDH network up for an.

953
00:49:02.880 --> 00:49:05.800
<v Speaker 2>Award I have heard we are at for award apparently

954
00:49:05.840 --> 00:49:08.719
<v Speaker 2>Football Content Awards has nominated us for some sort of

955
00:49:08.840 --> 00:49:10.599
<v Speaker 2>media rights the Holder Award.

956
00:49:10.960 --> 00:49:15.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, one of ten organizations on this planet that are

957
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<v Speaker 1>in the finalists, and so that we are trying to

958
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<v Speaker 1>encourage as many votes to be stuffed between now and

959
00:49:21.000 --> 00:49:22.519
<v Speaker 1>the thirteenth is humanly possible.

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00:49:22.760 --> 00:49:25.880
<v Speaker 2>You absolutely, because it is now Pride weekend in Atlanta.

961
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<v Speaker 2>You should go to Footballcontentawards dot com slash voting because

962
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<v Speaker 2>I said, so.

963
00:49:31.119 --> 00:49:34.280
<v Speaker 3>See there you go. Stuff the ballot box. What the

964
00:49:34.360 --> 00:49:35.199
<v Speaker 3>man says.

965
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<v Speaker 1>So, enjoy the beverage out of your West Virginia University

966
00:49:39.239 --> 00:49:41.000
<v Speaker 1>mug and we will catch up with you, soume, my friend.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't be a stranger looking forward to EP. All right, y'all,

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<v Speaker 1>enjoy EOD all right, be good,