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Black and Blue two songs off the digital EP two
song Bruiser. You can find that on band camp. All
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We're gonna take a short little break. Hear the beautiful
voice of Mike Dawson reading some kiss lyrics, and we'd
be right back with Jamie Saint James of Black and
Blue talking everything Black and Blue talking about the brand
new two song EP two song Bruiser. Right after this
on another EFAN.
Speaker 1: Podcast, a reading from the Book of Paul Verse Animalize,
chapter under the Gun. Yeah, there's no speed limit where
I'm coming from. Let's hit the highway doing sixty nine.
Speaker 3: Praise be to Paul.
Speaker 4: Please tell me have you heard the top. Don't That
is Lifeline brand new, black and blue, black and blue,
black and blue, however the fuck you want to say?
It's end blue joining me like you say rock and roll,
rock and roll, black and blue, Ladies and gentlemen joining me,
Jamie Saint, James, the Face, the Man, the myth, the legend.
I love the new songs, dude. Uh so this is
like a two songs EP.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: There are no rules anymore, and we could look, we
financed it ourselves. So we went in and did two
songs proper and uh, I think they came out fantastic.
Speaker 4: That's great. So what is the story behind these songs? Now?
From what I heard, these are old songs that you
wrote with Tommy, but Tommy's not on them now.
Speaker 3: Correct.
Speaker 5: Lifeline was written in nineteen eighty four, but didn't make
it on a record. The Real Mister Green was written
in nineteen eighty five, did not make it on the record.
Sometimes songs don't make it on a record because of
the record company, the producer. You know, there's there's weird things.
Our biggest song when we were playing the La Scene
in nineteen eighty two was a song called Violent kid,
and we got signed to Geffen Records and they they said,
there's no way that song's.
Speaker 3: Going on the record lot. It was our most popular songs,
so it gets a crazy thing.
Speaker 5: So anyway, they didn't make it, and so we just
had demo versions of it. So here in twenty twenty
five we decided actually because of Patrick Young. He wanted
to do it, and I said, why not let people
know we're still alive. So we recorded him and with
a new band. You know, it's me Patrick Young on bass,
Eat Homes on drums, and our two new guitarist, Mick
Caldwell and Brandon Cook.
Speaker 4: And brand is not really new though, he's been for
a long time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think like maybe thirteen, fourteen years or something.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's been with me as long as I've known.
You guys, did you talk to Tommy when you found these?
Was there any talk about having him possibly play on them?
Speaker 5: No, we wanted to purposely let the new guitarist take
the reins on guitar. But I did talk to Tommy
and told him we were going to wanted to do
it just to get his okay, you know, because he's
half the song. Him and I wrote the songs together.
So I wanted to make sure he's cool, but he
didn't want, you know, he wanted to just go ahead, guys,
do it.
Speaker 4: Oh that's cool, that's cool. I mean because nobody knows
what's going to happen with him now. You know, now
he's quote unquote retired.
Speaker 3: Well you know, I know what's happening with him, but
I can't tell.
Speaker 4: Well, there you go, Well, there you go. No, you
said you finance the stuff yourself. Yeah, you only put
out two songs. And I was talking to a cat
by the name of Keith Roberts on the on the
Blue Cruise and he's with this band called the Young
Dubliners and they have a new record coming out in March.
And he said, the way you do it is you
have to record. You have to release singles now because
if you put out a full record, you can't. It
doesn't count as singles when you release the singles.
Speaker 3: Well, he knows more about it than I do. But
I tell you what.
Speaker 5: For us, it was just financially we could only afford
to do the two songs. Black and Bluzz never released
something that sounded shitty.
Speaker 3: Can I swear on this thing?
Speaker 4: It's called another fucking podcast. Brother, that is.
Speaker 3: A question, stupid fucking question.
Speaker 5: Uh yeah, we've never released anything that sounded bad, so
we wanted to make sure we went into a really
good studio.
Speaker 3: People say, well, you can do it all all.
Speaker 5: You could do a bunch of songs, you know, home recording,
because that's not the way we do things. We need
big equipment, big sounds.
Speaker 3: So you know, we did it right. So here's the
way it works. Kids.
Speaker 5: If enough people download this thing, you buy it. It's
only five bucks, I mean, come on, and then if
we make our money back, then maybe we'll do more.
Because people say, what about a record? What about you
know more, Well, you'll get mark We can, you know,
sell enough of this and we're not trying to get
rich off it.
Speaker 3: Nobody is. Nobody's gonna but it pays for itself. We'll
do more.
Speaker 4: Was you know. In this day and age, it's like
there's some artists they don't even want to do new
music because people just want to hear the hits. Yeah,
and some people are just like, fuck it, it's what
I do. Where are you guys on it? I mean
obviously you got the two new songs, but where what's
your mentality on that whole situation.
Speaker 3: I personally love.
Speaker 5: One of my favorite things about music is almost I
I I'm a songwriter, Okay. I was a drummer for many,
many years. I learned to play guitar before I learned
to play drums. I knew I wanted to write songs.
Speaker 2: So for me.
Speaker 3: To sit in a studio and hear this thing.
Speaker 5: Come alive, this creation is there's nothing more exciting and
nothing better to me. So it's a I love new music,
it's just how do you make it financial work? And
I think Black and Blue. Look, if there was if
there was a good record company involved that really had
you know, there's stuff together and Black and Blue could
do a full record with you know, I would do it,
and probably I would have Tommy and I write all
the music, you know, because that's not that would really
be Black and Blue.
Speaker 3: But I just don't see it happening. So this is
the best we can do.
Speaker 5: And you know, I mean, I love new music. I do,
and I'm going to be creating new music. And this
is a different it's going to be a different interview,
but I love it.
Speaker 3: I love new music.
Speaker 5: But I can't talk too much about what I've got
going on besides this, but uh, for now, but we'll.
Speaker 3: Get together again.
Speaker 5: But right now when I'm black and blue, got two
new songs out and they sound fantastic, so go check
them out.
Speaker 3: That's what I got to say.
Speaker 4: Oh absolutely, And it's a it's called two songs bruiser. Yeah,
is the and it's just digital right now, there's no
you don't want to do any CDs or anything. Just
no physical product just now.
Speaker 3: Not now. You can download it, you know. Maybe one
day we'll release a CD if there's enough songs. This
is not a CD, it's two songs. And I came
up with that.
Speaker 5: I said, well, we'll sell them together and it'll be
a two song bruiser, and if we sell them individually,
it'd be a one punch wonder.
Speaker 4: But like me, much like me, which is the one
stroke wonder. Oh, a whole other. That's a whole other conversation.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, sir, it is.
Speaker 4: You know it's funny, Jamie. We uh you remember when
we first met first time?
Speaker 3: I don't I you must have been on a cruise.
Speaker 4: It was on a cruise. It was in the pisser.
Oh really, yep, I think it was it was the first.
I think it was the first Monsters of Rock Cruise.
Speaker 3: I was on it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yep, it was in the Pisser on the first
Monsters of Rock Cruise.
Speaker 3: Oh that's funny, I don't. I mean, I've seen you
on every cruise.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I did on a lot of them. Absolutely, absolutely.
So you said you started out as a drummer, you
started playing guitar, but we we have to dive into
Cold Gin.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, and I'll do it.
Speaker 4: When did so what what year did you start doing
Cold Gen? That was you and Tommy?
Speaker 3: Well, I wasn't. There was a version of Cold Gin
before me.
Speaker 4: Okay, I don't know who.
Speaker 5: I think Anthony White, who was the Paul Stanley, was
playing drums and they were just playing music, and then
they they wanted to Anthony wanted to get out front
and sing and play play his flying v So they
Tommy said, I know a guy that.
Speaker 3: Can play drums. So so they called me and I
said I'll go and jam, you know, because I love
kiss Man. Yeah. So so I went down and I
played drums and we did it. It was just four
of us, and I said, well, I'll do it. Under
one condition. We put on the makeup.
Speaker 5: I go, if we're going to do this, we may
as well put the makeup on. And I said, well,
will either be the Kings of Hollywood or the Goats?
And I ain't no fun goat. So lost story start.
Speaker 3: And this was in the nineties, so ok. Yeah, So
we played a show.
Speaker 5: We had the full makeup, kiss t shirts and leather
pants or something like that, you know, and it just
music was so good. We played the songs really well,
you know, you imagine, you know, Tommy on guitar and
all the guys were great, and it was it just
went down crazy because you've got to remember something in
ninety three, whatever it was, there wasn't any tribute bands
that it really didn't exist. There was the Atomic Punks
and Cold Gin and I remember, well, well, you know,
after the first show, I said, we got to get well,
we all.
Speaker 3: Said, we got to get to costumes, you know, and
we've got costumes. We had. We had the boots made
by the guy that made.
Speaker 5: Kids Kisses boots, this Italian de Fabrizio, I think his
name was something like that.
Speaker 3: But anyway, and then we would play our shows and
people just went nuts. Geene and Paul would come to
every show. Oh wow, yeahah, yeah, they were there. They
were always there because they thought it was a fantastic
They had never seen that, you know. So we were
we were pretty big. We toured the country, we toured Japan,
and we did a lot. Yeah, it was it was
really good.
Speaker 4: What was it like playing Peter's parts? Because Peter sometimes
people shop on Peter, but I'm like, no, don't shit
on Peter, because it's like Ringo Star and Peter Chris
are the most two ship on drummers, but the most
two of the most influential drummers that this world has
ever seen.
Speaker 5: Well, you're right about that, and I wouldn't shoot on
either one of them. And I tell you what, Peter
Chris has a style and it was perfect.
Speaker 3: For Kiss, wasn't it. You know.
Speaker 5: I I happened to be stuck in the seventies as
a drummer because in nineteen eighty one I became a
lead singer with Black and Blue, So I am a
seventies drummer. So I played that stuff right on the money,
you know. So he's a really interesting, great drummer and
he was perfect for that band. I say perfect, you know,
And I love all of Kiss. You know, when I
toured with Kiss in eighty five, Eric Carr was on
the drums, and Eric car did a great job. He
was amazing, you know. But that classic Kiss sound with
Ace and Peter, you just can't beat it. It was
I saw Kiss live in nineteen seventy five.
Speaker 3: Rush was opening up.
Speaker 5: Was it a little theater called the Paramount Theater? Well,
whatever holds twelve hundred.
Speaker 3: People or something.
Speaker 5: I was fifteen years old and I walked out out
of that place. I see, you can't remember something. In
seventy four, I bought the first album I had. I
bought it because of the cover. I said, I don't
know what this is, but I gotta have this home,
and I played it. I didn't even know who was
the singer, who's the drummer. I didn't know nothing. They
didn't tell you. Yeah, I saw them in seventy five
and I walked out of that place going I mean,
it was blown away. And I remember going home think
a little depressed because I thought, I don't know how
anybody could ever talk to that, how could anybody ever
do anything better than that? It was amazing, It really
was so anyway, you know, I'm a big, big fan.
Speaker 3: Peter was great.
Speaker 4: You said you tour with Kissing eighty five, that would
have been the Asylum tour. Correct, that's correct, And it's
ironic because tomorrow I'm recording with Bruce for the fortieth
anniversary nice of Kissing. Sil What do you remember about
that tour? What do you remember about touring with Kiss?
Speaker 5: Well, it was pretty amazing because in Okay, So in
eighty four I got my.
Speaker 3: First dream come true.
Speaker 5: I toured opening for Aerosmith for wow months for two months,
and that's an amazing thing. And then the next year,
Without Love comes out and I'm on tour with Kiss.
Speaker 3: So these are two of the biggest bands of my life.
Speaker 5: You know. I got very lucky, and I remember it
being a blast. But I remember most about the tour
was going to their sound check every day because I'm
in the arena. We played arena and I'd go out
there and just sit just me, you know, and Paul
would say, Jamie, what do you want to hear today?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 5: And he would he would play anything, you know, and
and sometimes Bruce didn't know it, you know, but but
but they would play me whatever, and uh, and I.
Speaker 3: Said, God to choose you know, and they'd play, you know,
they play like a piece of it for me.
Speaker 5: And the very last day of the tour, I'm sitting
out there like I did almost every goddamn day, and
Paul goes, hey, Jamie, check this out, and Kiss played
with the song without Love, and Paul say, wow, Yeah,
I mean that was one of the coolest things anybody's
ever done for me.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, of course, you know that's way before a cell phone,
so there's no record of it. Now there is your memory.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 4: Why don't get Alzheimer's Yeah, right, Jamie. Where'd you grow up?
Speaker 3: Portland, Oregon?
Speaker 4: That makes sense now, I should have known that, considering
most of the guys lived there. How old were you
when you made the jump to go to Hollywood.
Speaker 5: I drove down to Hollywood when I got my driver's
license at sixteen years old, borrowed a friend's Pinto station
wagon green with wood paneling on the side, and drove
a thousand miles to Los Angeles and looked at what
was going on. The big thing going on was the
star Wood. Quiet Riot was playing the Starwood with Randy
Rhoads on guitar. Things were happening in La. And this
is nineteen seventy six, and I knew that's where I
had to be. We farmed Black and Blue in Portland, Oregon.
Everybody's an Oregon born guy, and I said, guys, we're
moving to Los Angeles. There's no way around it. And
I had come down throughout the years seeing what's going
on with other bands. I had a band called Movie Star.
Me and Tommy were in that. We did showcases for
Warner Brothers. I kept pushing it and finally it clicked
with Black and Blue. But yeah, I knew that was
the place to be.
Speaker 4: What was your first impressions when you pull into Hollywood,
when you pull into La What goes through your mind,
especially in nineteen seventy six.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I can tell you what I remember vividly is
drot We had drove. We got into Los Angeles at
I'm sixteen years old, and it's like very early in
the morning. The sun is just coming up and we
just knew fine, Sunset Boulevard, that's all we knew. We
had no idea what's going on. And I remember driving
down Sunset Boulevard, this huge, big red ball of the
sun was coming up, rising in the sky and I'm
on Sunset Boulevard. First thing I see as a huge
billboard Angel an Angel billboard for that and you.
Speaker 3: Know cost up Blanka Records. Yeah, and the sun's burning
in my eyes. I'm looking. I'm going, oh my god,
this is where I this is, this is my home,
this is where I got a gat So what what?
Speaker 4: What year is it when you finally moved?
Speaker 5: We moved down to Los Angeles permanently, I think in
nineteen eighty two.
Speaker 3: Okay, oh yeah, so we just said we were signed
in eighty three.
Speaker 4: Wow, just that quick.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we started playing shows. We formed the band in
eighty one, started playing shows in eighty two and eighty
eighty three. We were signed to eighty four the first
record came out.
Speaker 4: Jesus, It's just it's amazing just to imagine how that is.
I mean, what, what what was it you think got
you guys? Noticed the reason I asked this question. So
like when I had Pat Fonteinne from x y Z
on they got found because he was in his car
a blasting the demo for Inside Out and the guy
in the next car happened to be a record guy
and he heard it and asked him what the fuck
is that? And that's kind of how x y Z
got there got their bump.
Speaker 3: That's crazy.
Speaker 5: Honestly, we had We got a manager named Garro, who
is a really great guy.
Speaker 3: I love him. He's passed away now, but he got
us a place to live. Because we were just sleeping
on couches at a friend's house.
Speaker 5: We had nowhere to live, and he got us a
house and put a little money into us as far
as advertisement, and that's when things started to change. We
would play the Troubadour, the Roxy, the Country Club. Back then,
we'd played all the places, and suddenly there was lines
around the block everybody. We just were making noise and
a woman from geff And named Carol Childs came and
saw us and said, I'm going to sign that band.
John Klagner said, no, you're not. I'm the rock guy here,
so he ended up.
Speaker 3: We did a.
Speaker 5: Special show for Claudner and this was in eighty three
at the Troubadour and it was packed because all our
shows were packed. Look eight months before that, we had
six people in the in the in the room, and
three of them were our girlfriends, and one of them
was Ron Keel.
Speaker 3: So of course it was it was I'm not kidding
this too, I believe you, and so yeah, yeah, I
love Ron.
Speaker 5: And so when Claudner came down and saw that show,
we walked up the stairs in the dressing room and
he was stared at the top and said, welcome to govern.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 4: What goes through your mind when you hear those words?
And however, were you how nerve wracking? Was you knowing
that that's what you were doing that night?
Speaker 3: I just went and did my thing, you know, I
knew it. I was.
Speaker 5: I had a lot of energy back then, and I
just went out and just killed it. And I that
I would it would be, it would work. But when
I heard those words, it's just the strangest thing because
when I was young, to get a real record deal,
not those real record deals don't really hardly exist anymore,
but to get that that's called you made it.
Speaker 3: You know, I just knew that I happened.
Speaker 5: Now I came to the next level, you know, And
that's a whole nother story, you know, a whole nother ballgame.
Speaker 3: But it was. It was an amazing moment in my life.
And here's the funny thing. Okay, you're gonna appreciate this.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, John Kladner had a huge beard, Zzy
top style, okay, and he said, welcome to get it.
And I'm so excited. I hug him so hard. I
pull back and my skull earring got stuck in his
freaking beard. And I decorated his beard like a Christmas
tree and I pulled it and I go, oh, my
fucking earing I pulled it out of his beard.
Speaker 3: That's why. That's the first thing that's a total anything
to happen.
Speaker 4: Well, of course, well you just said that. You know,
this is a whole other story, and it just goes
from there. I mean, let's go there. I mean, what's
what do you what do.
Speaker 5: You Well, it's everything changes, you know, and and you
have the best opportunities, and you also get messed with,
you know.
Speaker 3: It's like, well, you don't get to put this song
on your record?
Speaker 2: You do that?
Speaker 5: You mean they okay, the first album costs three hundred
thousand dollars, right, they're a bank, right, So they say,
here's the money, go to Germany with Deeter Dirks. Go
ahead and do your thing, but we're gonna tell you this,
and they'll tell you that, and you're gonna be able
to do this and you can't do that. It's it's
you're it's weird, and so it's it's a different world
and you're not as in control as you wish you
could be because you're just twenty three years old. I
don't even know, you know. I'm just so grateful to
be there. I don't know how to fight anything, you know,
I just gotta I don't want to blow.
Speaker 3: This, you know. So it's it's very strange.
Speaker 4: Are they like, are they talking about like bringing and
writers to help. Are they talking about that stuff? It
was just still all you guys.
Speaker 3: It was all us.
Speaker 5: They weren't They weren't worried about it because I knew
we had good songs and U. But it was we
don't like this song and we don't like what you're
saying here. I mean, we just we we We had
a on the second album, we had a song called
blame It on the Neighborhood and it was really cool,
and they said, no, you're not saying those lyrics. Okay,
so now what am I gonna do? So it turned
into a song called swing Time, which is on that record,
but initially it was.
Speaker 3: Called Blame It. On the neighborhood and it was really cool.
So you just kind of had to what do you
How do you fight people that are giving you all
this money to to get you into this position of
to the possibility of being huge.
Speaker 5: You know, it's it's it's your walk in a weird line.
And if I was older, I might have been known
how to fight it better, but I didn't know.
Speaker 3: I was a kid.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, do you still do you? I mean, do
you guys have your masters?
Speaker 5: Now?
Speaker 3: We don't know anything, but I think after so many
years you can.
Speaker 5: But all owned by Universal Music bought everything from Geffen
and it is a real pain in the ass to
try to get that worked out.
Speaker 3: Costs a lot of money. Lawyers are expensive. Yeah, I
don't know. I've talked with Tommy about that.
Speaker 5: How can we get our we can get our stuff back,
you know, but I'm not sure it's going to be
possible for us, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, do you think they even exist? You know, because
they had that big fire and a lot of people
have lost so much stuff.
Speaker 5: That is true, and nobody knows. And you know, there
was a time period when black and blue cassettes albums
see very few.
Speaker 3: CDs we didn't even have a CD for the first
few records. They weren't big enough yet, but they were
going for huge money on eBay.
Speaker 5: So that's when Universal said, we're going to put out
the best of Black and Blue, you know, and it's
called the Ultimate Collection, and they did that two thousand
and two or something like that. So that was released
and since then that fire has happened. I don't know
if anything exists anymore.
Speaker 3: I really don't.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, like I said, there's a lot of people
that are in the same position as you. They don't
know because they can't get in there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, good question. And I don't know.
Speaker 4: And the other stuff was eventually released on CD.
Speaker 5: Correct, Everything was released on CD in Japan, and that
was a box set that was released that had all
four records and a DVD of our Japan show in
nineteen eighty four, so that was released and after that
and then the Best of came out in two thousand
and something and then that's it.
Speaker 3: Nothing else has ever been released.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 3: And they're not in control of it, really, you know,
we were never in control.
Speaker 4: Of it, right right. I mean, so if you guys
actually wanted to do a Black and Blue box at yourself.
You would have to get permission from Universal to go ahead.
And yeah, was there ever any talk about that?
Speaker 5: Not really, It's it's very hard to get that stuff
figured out. I'm just I'm just a guy that likes
to play music.
Speaker 3: And yeah, yeah, I'm not all. I don't know all
the rules and regulations and how you do that. We
need a lawyer and we need.
Speaker 2: To you know.
Speaker 5: I mean, if we wanted to fight to do it,
we probably could. But it takes money to do that.
Is it gonna be worth it?
Speaker 3: I don't know?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah exactly. Do you still have demos?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, then the demos you just don't have the masters.
Yeah I could do you could do something with the
demos though, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah we could. Uh, but that's what we just did.
Speaker 5: We we re recorded two demos and then released them
now this way on band camp thing. Now, by the way,
let me just say so you can go on social
media all of our social media is and get directed
to that band camp thing to buy the but uh,
we have I have cassette, huge box of cassettes from
those years of all kinds of songs that were never
put on a record.
Speaker 3: We have a ton we did a lot of writing,
so there's more, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Was there any covers that were ever recorded covers?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 5: We did a song that everybody knows, It's My Life.
It was a Paul Stanley song. I think Wendy O.
Williams did it.
Speaker 4: Uh. I think it was a Gene road it was.
It was a Gene song, yeah, because it was supposed
to be on Creatures and they didn't do it for
Creatures and then they gave it to Wendy right.
Speaker 3: Well, we recorded that. Black and Blue recorded that song. Wow.
Speaker 5: We recorded it when we were doing in Heat and
it's on those masters somewhere. That song was I think
pretty much done, but we don't know how to get it.
We had a song that we completely did during those
same sessions called Survival with Ted.
Speaker 3: Nugent on guitar.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 3: Me and Tommy wrote the song with Ted.
Speaker 5: Nugent and Ted Nugent's playing all the guitar. It's done
and it's in the vault somewhere only sessions.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: We also did a Brian Adams song well, yeah, you
walked Away Again. It was called and we did that
song and it's again again. It got it was shilled
so there's all that's all owned by Universal Music.
Speaker 3: Actually don't even do anything with it.
Speaker 4: When did you When did you get the feeling that
it was going to come to an end?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 3: I never I never think it was going to end
until it did.
Speaker 5: We were dropped by Geffen in nineteen eighty nine, and
I still didn't think it was over. I we Geene
Simmons decided to manage us, and we were going to
put out a record on Simmons Records, and then Tommy quit.
When Tommy quit, I knew it was done.
Speaker 4: Was that hard for you?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yes, we formed the band together. Yeah, and without him.
I just thought, well, I can't do I'm not going
to go. I don't want to do it without him.
So when I formed a band called Freight Train Jane
and got a Japanese deal and started doing that stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was very far.
Speaker 4: When did you get the Warren call?
Speaker 5: I got two thousand and four, okay, and they called
and said, hey, we we need a singer, and we
thought of you, and you know, we're going to audition
guys and stuff. Do you want to do You want
to do it and you want to give it a shot.
And I was living in Oregon at the time working
on the album Hell Yeah that Black and Blue released
on Frontiers. So I said, okay. They flew me down
to Los Angeles and I was only living in Portland
for about a year at that time because I wanted
to do that record. And I learned five songs and
I went down there. There was a different drummer, but
Joey Allen said, hey, if Saints going to come and sing,
I'll come.
Speaker 3: And help you. Guys. He wasn't in the band. Okay,
Joey Allen was not in the band.
Speaker 5: Steven Sweet was not in the band. Eric and Jerry
are the ones that contacted me. So I learned five songs.
I learned down Boys Heaven, Cherry Pie, I think Uncle
Tom's Cabin and another one. And I just went down
to sing and just nailed it. And I thought to myself,
I sounded pretty good at that And then I went
home and a week or so later they called me
and said we want you. I said, oh boy, okay,
let's do it. And here's the the hard part about
it was, they said, okay, we have a show, so
you got to learn the rest of the set. And
it's in Daytona, Bike Week me five thousand people. We're
opening for night Ranger, and we're not going to tell
anybody that we're replacing Jamie.
Speaker 3: You're just going to come out and sing. I was like,
fuck me, are.
Speaker 4: You thanking me?
Speaker 3: I said, what, why aren't you going to say anything? Well,
we don't want to tell the promoter. We're not gonna
little now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I have to go out and do my first.
Speaker 3: Show when nobody's even expecting me. You know, really weird.
What was the like?
Speaker 4: Did people notice? Did people care?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 5: I I was sitting on the There was some stairs
back in the back to get up on the stage,
and I'm.
Speaker 3: Just sitting there, sweating and going, oh god, this is
not a good position to be in.
Speaker 5: Jack Blades saw me and he came over and he
started rubbing my shoulders and saying, Jamie, don't worry, you
got this, You got you could do this. I Black
and Blue toured with Night Ranger a lot back in
the day, and so he knew me, and I said,
thanks Jack. I went up and the first song down
Boys Boom. We opened up with it or or it
surefields good one of them.
Speaker 4: We opened up with great song.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I was blank. I was.
Speaker 5: I was in a weird fog because I thought what
am I doing here? You know, And by the second
or third song, the crowd was nuts. It was it
was great, It went over great. I remember walking back
to our dressing room after the show and saying, good God,
it worked.
Speaker 4: You know, yeah, was it Did it feel natural? Did
it feel right? Did it feel weird?
Speaker 3: It felt weird.
Speaker 5: But the thing I would have said, no if my
voice didn't sound right. You know, I can't sing certain bands,
you know, it was Cinderella.
Speaker 3: I can't sing Cinderella. Yeah, I don't. I don't. I
can't do that.
Speaker 5: But warrant it worked. I I sounded good. And I
have some old DVDs of some of the shows we did,
and I listened back to him years later and I go,
that was really good.
Speaker 3: That was good.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I had a couple of clunky shows, but for the
most part I was really good.
Speaker 4: Well it's fucking rock and roll clunky.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah it was. And it was a fun ride,
it really was.
Speaker 4: I had a good time when that ended. What was
it like for you when that when that run ended, well,
Jane came back, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, uh And they just said We're gonna have Janie
back because we can.
Speaker 5: You know, there's a there's a certain booking agency that said,
didn't give us a lot of money.
Speaker 3: If you and uh sad you know, way for me,
because huh, when.
Speaker 5: You're in a band and you're playing sixty shows a year,
it's kind of like I'm I'm out, you know, it's
it's weird.
Speaker 3: But of course Jane should be the singer of the band,
you know, of.
Speaker 4: Course, you know.
Speaker 3: So yeah, and and uh, you know, it was a
it was a look, I'm still friends with those guys.
It's all good.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah. When so when did you put Black and
Blue back together?
Speaker 5: When I I got a record deal just me in
England and I, uh, I called up Jeff Warner because
he had a recording studio, and I thought, maybe I'll
take the money and record there, and uh and then
I started thinking about it. I go, why don't we
make it a Black and Blue record instead of Jamie
Saint James, you know, and uh and then it just
went from there. Let's call Pete, Let's call Pat. You know,
Tommy wasn't busy and kiss.
Speaker 4: You know, right, but you had a conversation with him
about it.
Speaker 3: I can't remember it. It was a while ago.
Speaker 5: Uh, I might have talked with Tommy. Look, Tommy and
I have always been friends all throughout the whole thing.
I've never been more proud of anybody in my life
that seeing Tommy on stage with Kiss.
Speaker 4: Absolutely.
Speaker 3: I just look up there with joy and just just love.
I love Tommy, you know. So I don't know if
I talked to him. I probably did, but it was
all new music, you know.
Speaker 5: And oh yeah I did, of course, because I was
over his house and I told him what I was
writing a song, and he goes, why don't you call
the song hell yeah? I go, You're getta writing credit
for that one, because I will call it hell yeah.
So sorry, my memory is not so great.
Speaker 4: Oh, it happens. It happens. And when we get longer
in the tooth, Yes, when's the last time you had
short hair?
Speaker 3: Uh? When I was probably six?
Speaker 4: Really? Oh yeah, yeah, I thought about cutting the mop off. No, no,
I won't. No.
Speaker 5: Hell Now, when I was a little kid, I used
to go to my dad would take me to a
barber shop, proper barber shop. And I go in there
and I'd say, give me a beetle cut and they'd
shave all the sides down. I had a little thing
on the time. It was called a regular boring is that?
So finally one day I went in there and I said,
give you a beetle cut. And he said, son, you
don't have enough hair for a beetle cut. And I said, boo,
I'm never cutting it again. And by the time I
was in like sixth seventh grade, I had long hair.
When I was in high school, my hair.
Speaker 3: Was exactly like this.
Speaker 5: Oh wow, yeah, And I said, I cutting it, And yeah,
I say, it's just a weird It's just me now,
you know.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm lucky that I have so much hair.
I'm sixty five years old. Look at this, you know.
Speaker 5: But it's funny because now I put whatever we advertise
for one of our shows, we're going to play, I say,
no backing tracks, no wigs.
Speaker 4: Fucking brilliant, brilliant. Yeah, let's talk about the tracks. Obviously
you're anti track, but I think, I mean, there's a
there's spots for it, like keyboard parts, not bringing a
full orchestra with you ship like that. But I mean
a live show should be a live show.
Speaker 3: I really like live and I'll tell you where it's.
Speaker 5: Where it changes is when the drummer has to wear
headphones or in ears and there's a click track because
they have to stay steady. That means you've got tracks
running and you can't get off of it. And that's
when it just is not a band to me. But
uh look, Black and Blue, we we have two tracks.
One of them is a car for autumn and the
other is the intro to.
Speaker 3: Stop the lightning?
Speaker 4: Did you stop?
Speaker 2: Stop?
Speaker 3: Stop?
Speaker 1: Stop?
Speaker 3: So those that and Pataway says where are the tracks?
Turn up the tracks? They stop saying tracks. God damn it,
I call it. Where's the where's the tape? Where's the
intro tape? But we I just don't. I'm not a
fan of it. I want it should be real, and
you know, we don't. We don't do that.
Speaker 5: And I look, I know there's a lot of bands
that do and I and I think it's kind of
cheating and it's kind of odd, but uh, I doudn't mind.
At a certain point we started playing I'll be there
for You. That's a video that we actually had on MTV.
Jonathan Kaine wrote the song, we recorded it for a
movie and they ended up geffing again.
Speaker 3: It's one of those things. It's going on the record
and it's the single. But it was for a movie.
We didn't even it doesn't even fit Nasty Nasty.
Speaker 4: Right right, What movie was it for.
Speaker 3: It was for a movie called Out of Bounds with
Anthony Michael Hall and nobody probably remembers it her nose.
It was supposed to be in.
Speaker 5: That movie and they said, no, we're going to put
it on the record, forget it. Jonathan Kane wrote it
and produced it. We went to the studio just with
just with Jonathan Kane, not with Gene Simmons. Gene Simmons
was producing with Nasty Nasty at that time. They put
it on Nasty and then we had no choice.
Speaker 3: But it had a keyboard part of it intro did
did did did do this thing and we used that
but it's just an intro again.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a even back Jesus Christ. It
was I think the first time I interviewed Jeff lebar
God Bless his soul. Maybe it was before the first
Monsters cruise and some of that came up and Jeff's
was like, yeah, there's a lot of bands out there
using what he called pixie dust or fairy Dusty they
you know, and we're not one of those bands like
even back in twenty twelve, you know it was it
was still a thing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's you know, it's it's Look, there's a I
saw a concert recently and I went to see Shine
Down and I know they even saw kind of tracks
and stuff, but I still enjoyed the show.
Speaker 3: It's not for me and I and I will say
it on stage.
Speaker 5: You know you're gonna hear all the bruises and cuts, slashes,
and it's going to get ugly and you know.
Speaker 3: Every mistake we make. But it's real. You know, if
you want it perfect, put on the CD. But I
I just thick live should be live. And that's me.
Everybody's different. I don't. I don't have anything against people
that do it. I know bands that do it, and
it's fine if you know that's.
Speaker 4: You, not me, right right, So coming up here. You
will be in Vegas in November for Kiss Cruise Landlocked
Landlocked Kiss or however the exact wording is. I should
probably have that down by tomorrow when I have on.
When did you get the call?
Speaker 3: I mean, what what?
Speaker 5: What can we expect Well, actually Tommy called me and said,
you need to talk to this person because they want
you for this thing. And I guess it came about
because Doc McGee was doing a Kiss super fan meeting,
convention whatever.
Speaker 3: It is, and said who should be on the next
Kiss thing?
Speaker 2: Who?
Speaker 3: What bands?
Speaker 5: And black and Blue kept getting so he said, black
and Blue it is, And so they're production company that's
doing this thing. I talked to the guy and said
we want you, so I said, okay, let's do it,
you know. And then it's just went from there. But yeah,
it's I call it the Kiss event. Well I don't
like a landlocked cruise there there, there you go, but
it's a Kiss Vegas event.
Speaker 3: Is when I say it's going to be fun. Kiss
always does a good job.
Speaker 5: I've been we did a Kiss cruise and they do
a fantastic job, you know, And it's going to be fun,
it's gonna be a blast.
Speaker 4: Well what can you're going to be Tommy is going
to be playing with the guys for a couple songs
at least, correct.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, he's going to jump up on stage with us,
probably for the last three songs, three or four songs,
you know. So that's that's always fun, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you've done that obviously, you've done that before.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, we played like Black and Blue has played
charity events for you know, raised money for Peter Peter Wolves,
our drummer.
Speaker 3: His wife had cancer.
Speaker 5: Unfortunately passed away, but we did a benefit for her,
got a bunch of money to try to help, you know,
help her, but unfortunately she passed away from it, you know.
Speaker 3: And we did some charity events for Patrick.
Speaker 5: Young's brother Jeff Young, who has als and I think
we we bought him up. We got him a van
in a wheelchair set up. You know, We've done a lot,
and Gene Simmons was involved in all that. But every
time Tommy has played with us, you know, we've played
with him periodically, you know, right right.
Speaker 4: Well, speaking of the tribute world, you were still in
the tribute world. You're still doing cheaper trick, right, I
am doing it.
Speaker 5: You know, I'm going to tell you why I do it.
Number One, Robin Xander is my favorite vocalist of all time.
I and these guys called me and said you want
to do They had a girls singer before me. They
were called in color and said, well, cheap, cheap trick,
I will go and let's see how this works. So
it sounded good. And number two, I have to sing.
If I don't sing, my voice goes withers away. So
I don't play a lot of shows with.
Speaker 3: Black and Blue. What do we do?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 5: Six seven shows a year if we're lucky. So this
keeps my voice in check. And what a way to
do it by singing Robin Xander? You know, I mean,
I love it and I just love the cheap trick
and I love Robin Zander, like I say, it's my
favorite singer.
Speaker 3: So it's a no brainer. And that keeps me in ching?
Speaker 4: Is how hard is it? Because Xander's I mean he's
a freak of nature.
Speaker 3: Yes he is. And it is hard.
Speaker 5: It's very hard, especially if we have to do ninety
minutes show. Damn, he's gonna be hard now, you know
it's it's it's not easy at all, but it's fun
and I get to play a little guitar when I
do this is fun.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely absolutely. Because you were supposed to do the
flame with us on the on the boat that one
year and circumstances have been or whatever. How are you sober?
Now yeah, yeah, how long has it been?
Speaker 3: Two and a half years?
Speaker 4: Okay, how does it feel?
Speaker 5: It feels good, to be honest with you, it's it's
it's weird because the first year is is such a
struggle in strangeness, and first it's really weird. How do
you go like on a cruise like that and all
of a sudden, But after a while it starts to
become a you know, it's not it's not a problem.
Speaker 3: It's really good. It's really good. I recommend it.
Speaker 4: Did you go to rehab or did you just.
Speaker 2: I?
Speaker 5: Okay, well I went to a place where they gave
me an injection of something called vivatrol.
Speaker 4: Okay, and okay.
Speaker 5: So when you're drinking for years, your brain stops making dopamine,
is how it's explained to me.
Speaker 3: So this kind of counteracts that because that's the only.
Speaker 5: Way you feel good is with the dopamine. Right, So
if you have a drink, you you feel good, but
your brain stops making it. So this vivitrol drug makes
you not have to go there. And I was on
that for about eight months and it works. It's it's
in your brain kind of readjusts and all of a
sudden you can be happy again.
Speaker 3: I'm not an expert, man, but I I do, I
do think that life is better without all that.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm happy for you. I'm proud of you, and
I'm glad you're healthy. That's the most important thing.
Speaker 5: It is, you know, and uh yeah, I mean it's
it's it's you could when it first, when you first
start to even.
Speaker 3: Think about that. If you you know, if you if
you like drinking and stuff, you think I never gonna
have fun again. It's gonna suck. No, No, you're gonna
be fine. You just gotta takes a little time.
Speaker 4: See my problem is I just love beer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, if you don't have a problem, you don't
have a problem.
Speaker 4: Oh there's that. There's that. Plus, you know I got
that some bitch behind me. You know you've seen the
sum bitch. Yeah yeah, yeah, you know he's a back
I noticed it. Yeah, of course he's the goddamn sum bitch. Jamie.
People want to find you. People want to find the band.
They want to find the links to uh the two
song Bruiser. Where can they go?
Speaker 3: Go to our Facebook?
Speaker 5: Go to Black and Blue Facebook, Jamie Jamie sat Jamis Facebook.
Speaker 3: Black and Blueofficial dot com go anywhere.
Speaker 5: It's on band camp and so there's links on all those,
all the social media, Twitter, all that. So shoot you
right there, buy that by just spend five bucks and
buy this thing and maybe we'll do some more.
Speaker 4: I love it, man, I love it. And like you said,
you said, there's stuff you just can't talk about it.
Speaker 5: There is more going on in my life, and it
is very exciting. But yeah, it's it's for another time
to talk about it's too sin all right.
Speaker 4: I love it, and hold on, I'm gonna hit my
ultra music here and I'm just gonna I'm just gonna
hold you with me while I do my ultra. Then
we'll say goodbye off the air. Hold on after we
h come on now, oh here we comes here, it comes.
Come along now, children. This is what we call producing
on the fly. When you're not ready for something. Come
along now, children, come Oh, it's loading, it's loading. And
of course I'm gonna leave this whole goddamn thing in here,
because fucking rock and roll, right is awesome. Hey, I look,
I do my best. Here we go and there we go.
I can hear it, ladies and gentlemen, there's been another
fucking podcast, Jamie Saint, James, Black and Blue.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 4: This is the first time, the second time. The first
time was a I think it was a cheap trick
show or a kiss show. I can't remember.
Speaker 3: We we we were got together on a zoom for
the Van Halen Deal.
Speaker 4: That was van Halen.
Speaker 3: There it is, yes, there it is.
Speaker 4: But I'm glad I finally got you on for a
real interview. And there will be more to come when
all your all your fun stuff starts happening that you
can finally talk about.
Speaker 3: Uh, I'll hold you to it. We'll do it.
Speaker 4: I look forward to it. And of course on Tuesday,
Bruce Q talking about the fortieth anniversary of Kiss Asylum
and I to me, that's the best thing they put
out past Love Gun, So I'm probably I am excited.
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Speaker 3: Excellent man