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Speaker 1: Hi, This is Bobby Brown and welcome to another fucking podcast.

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Speaker 2: Troy a sight, don't be a a oh man bab

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not once great champ now sunny and mopishness no longer

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the factory hungry still wait right?

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Speaker 3: So many times.

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Speaker 2: People by a pathetic wash up age ax champion, All right.

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Speaker 4: Let's go. I think you know the guy, and I

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think you know what, pretty dear? WHOA?

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Speaker 1: His name is he? Presley?

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Speaker 2: Press Presley?

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Speaker 5: What's my name?

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Speaker 4: Say my name, bitch?

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Speaker 2: My good friend?

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Speaker 1: Is he Presley? Is he Presley?

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Speaker 4: Is Presley Couch?

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Speaker 5: Is he Presley?

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Speaker 3: WHOA? That sounds a little weird?

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Speaker 4: Is he President?

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Speaker 2: Is he Presley?

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Speaker 4: Is he Presley? The heaviest, gurthiest rocky j around. Hey,

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this is Jeffer. You listen to Izzy Presley. Those aren't pillows? Hello,

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Las Vegas, Hello world, Hello, my loyal minions. It is

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good to see you and always good to be seen.

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My name is Izzy Presley. I'm the host of the program.

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It's called Another Riff and Podcast. Welcome. There's a beautiful

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Friday afternoon here in Las Vegas and getting ready to

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see Firehouse tonight. But god damn Firehouse. My good friends

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in Firehouse is gonna be a great show. Motley's playing

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in town. I'm probably not gonna make that as great

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as that would be. But speaking of great eighties rock,

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coming up in just a little bit, Jamie sat James

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from Black and Blue talking about is new the new

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Black and Blue two songs off the digital EP two

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song Bruiser. You can find that on band camp. All

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of those links will be down underneath here and check

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it out. It's really good two songs. One is called

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Lifeline and the other is called the Real Mister Green

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songs that he wrote with Tommy way back eighty four

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and eighty five, and they resurrected him and recording with

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the whole with the new band, and they're great. They're

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really really good. They sound phenomenal. You're gonna hear a

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little bit of a Lifeline and just a little bit

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hit up Thepatreon Patreon dot com slash Real Lizzie Presley.

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It's only five dollars a month, it's all. It's only

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by the time you watch this, it's already been up

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on the Patreon, so it's worth it plus all the

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exclusive content you get. I just did a show talking

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about Charlie Sheen documentary Part one. I'm gonna do part

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two next week. I was going to do and apologies

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to my Patreon folks. I went and saw Spinal Tap

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last night and I was going to do a review

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on that, but I went to the eleven o'clock show

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and it was one point thirty when I got home.

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here this afternoon to record this great interview with Jamie

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Saint James. So that's if you're Patreon folks. We were

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wondering where the review is. I'll probably get to it

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on Sunday. Goose Big News. Big News had a conversation

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on the phone with the esteemed mister Bruce Klick about

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coming on to celebrate the fortieth anniversary of Kiss Asylum,

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which is on Tuesday, and we are recording that interview

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on Saturday. So tomorrow, if you're using your math, if

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you're listening to this today, or if you're hearing it

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or watching it, tomorrow, probably gonna be recording with Bruce

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while you're listening or watching. Unless you're on the Patreon,

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then you've already heard the show because you get it first.

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Add free, It's glorious. Do it me five dollars a month,

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twenty subscribers right now, big time baby, and working up

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towards that goal of five hundred. So there is that.

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What else do we got going on? Nothing on the

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docket right now except for in November, November thirteenth, the

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day before the Kiss Cruise land Locked takeover thing here

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in Vegas, I am hosting the Casablanca Unofficial official pre

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party and One Last Kiss will be playing, The Bones

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will be playing, I'm hosting mc ing and it's going

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to be a great time. So if you're coming in

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for the Kiss Fest, which Black and Blue will be on.

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so we could promote that and talk about that, come

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on down. Tickets are selling fast. I know all the

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reserve seats are gone, standing room only. It is a

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place called Dive here in Las Vegas, not far from

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glorious time. It is going to be a blast. I

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would believe. So if that happens, I'll be in LA

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I'll be in Hollywood doing what I do. What else

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do we got, kids? I don't think we have much.

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Just hit up Izzypresley dot com. All my links are there, Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, Patreon,

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the YouTube, the YouTube link, the Izzy Presley Network. Hit

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all that shit up and join the family and appreciate you.

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Appreciate you, guys. Man, Tell your friends, share the show,

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share the show. So there is that. I don't know

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what else I got, I say, we just jump into it.

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We're gonna take a short little break. Hear the beautiful

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voice of Mike Dawson reading some kiss lyrics, and we'd

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be right back with Jamie Saint James of Black and

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Blue talking everything Black and Blue talking about the brand

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new two song EP two song Bruiser. Right after this

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on another EFAN.

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Speaker 1: Podcast, a reading from the Book of Paul Verse Animalize,

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chapter under the Gun. Yeah, there's no speed limit where

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I'm coming from. Let's hit the highway doing sixty nine.

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Speaker 3: Praise be to Paul.

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Speaker 4: Please tell me have you heard the top. Don't That

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is Lifeline brand new, black and blue, black and blue,

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black and blue, however the fuck you want to say?

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It's end blue joining me like you say rock and roll,

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rock and roll, black and blue, Ladies and gentlemen joining me,

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Jamie Saint, James, the Face, the Man, the myth, the legend.

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I love the new songs, dude. Uh so this is

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like a two songs EP.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 5: There are no rules anymore, and we could look, we

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financed it ourselves. So we went in and did two

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songs proper and uh, I think they came out fantastic.

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Speaker 4: That's great. So what is the story behind these songs? Now?

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wrote with Tommy, but Tommy's not on them now.

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Speaker 3: Correct.

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Speaker 5: Lifeline was written in nineteen eighty four, but didn't make

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it on a record. The Real Mister Green was written

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in nineteen eighty five, did not make it on the record.

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the record company, the producer. You know, there's there's weird things.

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and we got signed to Geffen Records and they they said,

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Speaker 3: Going on the record lot. It was our most popular songs,

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so it gets a crazy thing.

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Speaker 5: So anyway, they didn't make it, and so we just

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know we're still alive. So we recorded him and with

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a new band. You know, it's me Patrick Young on bass,

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Speaker 4: And brand is not really new though, he's been for

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think like maybe thirteen, fourteen years or something.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's been with me as long as I've known.

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Speaker 5: No, we wanted to purposely let the new guitarist take

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the reins on guitar. But I did talk to Tommy

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and told him we were going to wanted to do

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it just to get his okay, you know, because he's

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didn't want, you know, he wanted to just go ahead, guys,

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Speaker 4: Oh that's cool, that's cool. I mean because nobody knows

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what's going to happen with him now. You know, now

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he's quote unquote retired.

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Speaker 3: Well you know, I know what's happening with him, but

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I can't tell.

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Speaker 4: Well, there you go, Well, there you go. No, you

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said you finance the stuff yourself. Yeah, you only put

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out two songs. And I was talking to a cat

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by the name of Keith Roberts on the on the

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Blue Cruise and he's with this band called the Young

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Dubliners and they have a new record coming out in March.

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And he said, the way you do it is you

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have to record. You have to release singles now because

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if you put out a full record, you can't. It

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doesn't count as singles when you release the singles.

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Speaker 3: Well, he knows more about it than I do. But

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Speaker 5: For us, it was just financially we could only afford

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to do the two songs. Black and Bluzz never released

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something that sounded shitty.

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Speaker 3: Can I swear on this thing?

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Speaker 4: It's called another fucking podcast. Brother, that is.

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Speaker 3: A question, stupid fucking question.

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Speaker 5: Uh yeah, we've never released anything that sounded bad, so

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we wanted to make sure we went into a really

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Speaker 3: People say, well, you can do it all all.

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Speaker 5: You could do a bunch of songs, you know, home recording,

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because that's not the way we do things. We need

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big equipment, big sounds.

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Speaker 3: So you know, we did it right. So here's the

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Speaker 5: If enough people download this thing, you buy it. It's

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only five bucks, I mean, come on, and then if

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we make our money back, then maybe we'll do more.

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know more, Well, you'll get mark We can, you know,

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sell enough of this and we're not trying to get

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rich off it.

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Speaker 3: Nobody is. Nobody's gonna but it pays for itself. We'll

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Speaker 4: Was you know. In this day and age, it's like

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there's some artists they don't even want to do new

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music because people just want to hear the hits. Yeah,

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and some people are just like, fuck it, it's what

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I do. Where are you guys on it? I mean

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obviously you got the two new songs, but where what's

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your mentality on that whole situation.

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Speaker 3: I personally love.

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Speaker 5: One of my favorite things about music is almost I

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I I'm a songwriter, Okay. I was a drummer for many,

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many years. I learned to play guitar before I learned

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to play drums. I knew I wanted to write songs.

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Speaker 2: So for me.

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Speaker 3: To sit in a studio and hear this thing.

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Speaker 5: Come alive, this creation is there's nothing more exciting and

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nothing better to me. So it's a I love new music,

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it's just how do you make it financial work? And

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I think Black and Blue. Look, if there was if

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there was a good record company involved that really had

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you know, there's stuff together and Black and Blue could

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do a full record with you know, I would do it,

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and probably I would have Tommy and I write all

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the music, you know, because that's not that would really

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Speaker 3: But I just don't see it happening. So this is

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the best we can do.

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Speaker 5: And you know, I mean, I love new music. I do,

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and I'm going to be creating new music. And this

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is a different it's going to be a different interview,

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but I love it.

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Speaker 3: I love new music.

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Speaker 5: But I can't talk too much about what I've got

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going on besides this, but uh, for now, but we'll.

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Speaker 3: Get together again.

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Speaker 5: But right now when I'm black and blue, got two

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new songs out and they sound fantastic, so go check

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Speaker 3: That's what I got to say.

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Speaker 4: Oh absolutely, And it's a it's called two songs bruiser. Yeah,

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is the and it's just digital right now, there's no

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you don't want to do any CDs or anything. Just

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no physical product just now.

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Speaker 3: Not now. You can download it, you know. Maybe one

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day we'll release a CD if there's enough songs. This

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is not a CD, it's two songs. And I came

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up with that.

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Speaker 5: I said, well, we'll sell them together and it'll be

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a two song bruiser, and if we sell them individually,

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it'd be a one punch wonder.

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Speaker 4: But like me, much like me, which is the one

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stroke wonder. Oh, a whole other. That's a whole other conversation.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, sir, it is.

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Speaker 4: You know it's funny, Jamie. We uh you remember when

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we first met first time?

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Speaker 3: I don't I you must have been on a cruise.

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Speaker 4: It was on a cruise. It was in the pisser.

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I think it was the first Monsters of Rock Cruise.

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Speaker 3: I was on it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yep, it was in the Pisser on the first

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Monsters of Rock Cruise.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's funny, I don't. I mean, I've seen you

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on every cruise.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I did on a lot of them. Absolutely, absolutely.

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So you said you started out as a drummer, you

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started playing guitar, but we we have to dive into

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Cold Gin.

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, and I'll do it.

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Speaker 4: When did so what what year did you start doing

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Cold Gen? That was you and Tommy?

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Speaker 3: Well, I wasn't. There was a version of Cold Gin

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before me.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I don't know who.

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Speaker 5: I think Anthony White, who was the Paul Stanley, was

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playing drums and they were just playing music, and then

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they they wanted to Anthony wanted to get out front

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and sing and play play his flying v So they

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Tommy said, I know a guy that.

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Speaker 3: Can play drums. So so they called me and I

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said I'll go and jam, you know, because I love

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kiss Man. Yeah. So so I went down and I

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played drums and we did it. It was just four

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of us, and I said, well, I'll do it. Under

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one condition. We put on the makeup.

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Speaker 5: I go, if we're going to do this, we may

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as well put the makeup on. And I said, well,

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will either be the Kings of Hollywood or the Goats?

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And I ain't no fun goat. So lost story start.

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Speaker 3: And this was in the nineties, so ok. Yeah, So

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we played a show.

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Speaker 5: We had the full makeup, kiss t shirts and leather

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pants or something like that, you know, and it just

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music was so good. We played the songs really well,

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you know, you imagine, you know, Tommy on guitar and

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all the guys were great, and it was it just

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went down crazy because you've got to remember something in

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ninety three, whatever it was, there wasn't any tribute bands

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that it really didn't exist. There was the Atomic Punks

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and Cold Gin and I remember, well, well, you know,

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after the first show, I said, we got to get well,

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we all.

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Speaker 3: Said, we got to get to costumes, you know, and

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we've got costumes. We had. We had the boots made

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by the guy that made.

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Speaker 5: Kids Kisses boots, this Italian de Fabrizio, I think his

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name was something like that.

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Speaker 3: But anyway, and then we would play our shows and

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people just went nuts. Geene and Paul would come to

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every show. Oh wow, yeahah, yeah, they were there. They

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were always there because they thought it was a fantastic

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They had never seen that, you know. So we were

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we were pretty big. We toured the country, we toured Japan,

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and we did a lot. Yeah, it was it was

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really good.

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Speaker 4: What was it like playing Peter's parts? Because Peter sometimes

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people shop on Peter, but I'm like, no, don't shit

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on Peter, because it's like Ringo Star and Peter Chris

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are the most two ship on drummers, but the most

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two of the most influential drummers that this world has

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ever seen.

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Speaker 5: Well, you're right about that, and I wouldn't shoot on

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either one of them. And I tell you what, Peter

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Chris has a style and it was perfect.

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Speaker 3: For Kiss, wasn't it. You know.

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Speaker 5: I I happened to be stuck in the seventies as

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a drummer because in nineteen eighty one I became a

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lead singer with Black and Blue, So I am a

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seventies drummer. So I played that stuff right on the money,

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you know. So he's a really interesting, great drummer and

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he was perfect for that band. I say perfect, you know,

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And I love all of Kiss. You know, when I

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toured with Kiss in eighty five, Eric Carr was on

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the drums, and Eric car did a great job. He

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was amazing, you know. But that classic Kiss sound with

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Ace and Peter, you just can't beat it. It was

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I saw Kiss live in nineteen seventy five.

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Speaker 3: Rush was opening up.

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Speaker 5: Was it a little theater called the Paramount Theater? Well,

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whatever holds twelve hundred.

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Speaker 3: People or something.

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Speaker 5: I was fifteen years old and I walked out out

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of that place. I see, you can't remember something. In

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seventy four, I bought the first album I had. I

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bought it because of the cover. I said, I don't

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know what this is, but I gotta have this home,

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and I played it. I didn't even know who was

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the singer, who's the drummer. I didn't know nothing. They

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didn't tell you. Yeah, I saw them in seventy five

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and I walked out of that place going I mean,

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it was blown away. And I remember going home think

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a little depressed because I thought, I don't know how

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anybody could ever talk to that, how could anybody ever

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do anything better than that? It was amazing, It really

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was so anyway, you know, I'm a big, big fan.

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Speaker 3: Peter was great.

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Speaker 4: You said you tour with Kissing eighty five, that would

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have been the Asylum tour. Correct, that's correct, And it's

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ironic because tomorrow I'm recording with Bruce for the fortieth

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anniversary nice of Kissing. Sil What do you remember about

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that tour? What do you remember about touring with Kiss?

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Speaker 5: Well, it was pretty amazing because in Okay, So in

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eighty four I got my.

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Speaker 3: First dream come true.

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Speaker 5: I toured opening for Aerosmith for wow months for two months,

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and that's an amazing thing. And then the next year,

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Without Love comes out and I'm on tour with Kiss.

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Speaker 3: So these are two of the biggest bands of my life.

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Speaker 5: You know. I got very lucky, and I remember it

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being a blast. But I remember most about the tour

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was going to their sound check every day because I'm

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in the arena. We played arena and I'd go out

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there and just sit just me, you know, and Paul

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would say, Jamie, what do you want to hear today?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: And he would he would play anything, you know, and

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and sometimes Bruce didn't know it, you know, but but

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but they would play me whatever, and uh, and I.

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Speaker 3: Said, God to choose you know, and they'd play, you know,

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they play like a piece of it for me.

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Speaker 5: And the very last day of the tour, I'm sitting

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out there like I did almost every goddamn day, and

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Paul goes, hey, Jamie, check this out, and Kiss played

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with the song without Love, and Paul say, wow, Yeah,

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I mean that was one of the coolest things anybody's

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ever done for me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, of course, you know that's way before a cell phone,

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so there's no record of it. Now there is your memory.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 4: Why don't get Alzheimer's Yeah, right, Jamie. Where'd you grow up?

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Speaker 3: Portland, Oregon?

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Speaker 4: That makes sense now, I should have known that, considering

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most of the guys lived there. How old were you

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when you made the jump to go to Hollywood.

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Speaker 5: I drove down to Hollywood when I got my driver's

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license at sixteen years old, borrowed a friend's Pinto station

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wagon green with wood paneling on the side, and drove

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a thousand miles to Los Angeles and looked at what

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was going on. The big thing going on was the

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star Wood. Quiet Riot was playing the Starwood with Randy

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Rhoads on guitar. Things were happening in La. And this

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is nineteen seventy six, and I knew that's where I

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had to be. We farmed Black and Blue in Portland, Oregon.

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Everybody's an Oregon born guy, and I said, guys, we're

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moving to Los Angeles. There's no way around it. And

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I had come down throughout the years seeing what's going

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on with other bands. I had a band called Movie Star.

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Me and Tommy were in that. We did showcases for

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Warner Brothers. I kept pushing it and finally it clicked

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with Black and Blue. But yeah, I knew that was

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the place to be.

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Speaker 4: What was your first impressions when you pull into Hollywood,

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when you pull into La What goes through your mind,

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especially in nineteen seventy six.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I can tell you what I remember vividly is

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drot We had drove. We got into Los Angeles at

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I'm sixteen years old, and it's like very early in

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the morning. The sun is just coming up and we

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just knew fine, Sunset Boulevard, that's all we knew. We

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had no idea what's going on. And I remember driving

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down Sunset Boulevard, this huge, big red ball of the

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sun was coming up, rising in the sky and I'm

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on Sunset Boulevard. First thing I see as a huge

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billboard Angel an Angel billboard for that and you.

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Speaker 3: Know cost up Blanka Records. Yeah, and the sun's burning

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in my eyes. I'm looking. I'm going, oh my god,

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this is where I this is, this is my home,

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this is where I got a gat So what what?

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Speaker 4: What year is it when you finally moved?

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Speaker 5: We moved down to Los Angeles permanently, I think in

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nineteen eighty two.

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Speaker 3: Okay, oh yeah, so we just said we were signed

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in eighty three.

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Speaker 4: Wow, just that quick.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we started playing shows. We formed the band in

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eighty one, started playing shows in eighty two and eighty

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eighty three. We were signed to eighty four the first

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record came out.

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Speaker 4: Jesus, It's just it's amazing just to imagine how that is.

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I mean, what, what what was it you think got

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you guys? Noticed the reason I asked this question. So

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like when I had Pat Fonteinne from x y Z

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on they got found because he was in his car

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a blasting the demo for Inside Out and the guy

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in the next car happened to be a record guy

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and he heard it and asked him what the fuck

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is that? And that's kind of how x y Z

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got there got their bump.

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Speaker 3: That's crazy.

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Speaker 5: Honestly, we had We got a manager named Garro, who

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is a really great guy.

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Speaker 3: I love him. He's passed away now, but he got

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us a place to live. Because we were just sleeping

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on couches at a friend's house.

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Speaker 5: We had nowhere to live, and he got us a

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house and put a little money into us as far

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as advertisement, and that's when things started to change. We

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would play the Troubadour, the Roxy, the Country Club. Back then,

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we'd played all the places, and suddenly there was lines

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around the block everybody. We just were making noise and

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a woman from geff And named Carol Childs came and

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saw us and said, I'm going to sign that band.

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John Klagner said, no, you're not. I'm the rock guy here,

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so he ended up.

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Speaker 3: We did a.

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Speaker 5: Special show for Claudner and this was in eighty three

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at the Troubadour and it was packed because all our

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shows were packed. Look eight months before that, we had

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six people in the in the in the room, and

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three of them were our girlfriends, and one of them

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was Ron Keel.

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Speaker 3: So of course it was it was I'm not kidding

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this too, I believe you, and so yeah, yeah, I

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love Ron.

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Speaker 5: And so when Claudner came down and saw that show,

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we walked up the stairs in the dressing room and

475
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:40,799
he was stared at the top and said, welcome to govern.

476
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:41,240
Speaker 3: That's it.

477
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 4: What goes through your mind when you hear those words?

478
00:24:45,039 --> 00:24:48,440
And however, were you how nerve wracking? Was you knowing

479
00:24:48,519 --> 00:24:50,160
that that's what you were doing that night?

480
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,880
Speaker 3: I just went and did my thing, you know, I

481
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:55,319
knew it. I was.

482
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 5: I had a lot of energy back then, and I

483
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,200
just went out and just killed it. And I that

484
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,839
I would it would be, it would work. But when

485
00:25:02,839 --> 00:25:06,119
I heard those words, it's just the strangest thing because

486
00:25:06,519 --> 00:25:09,720
when I was young, to get a real record deal,

487
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:13,920
not those real record deals don't really hardly exist anymore,

488
00:25:14,279 --> 00:25:17,319
but to get that that's called you made it.

489
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:22,839
Speaker 3: You know, I just knew that I happened.

490
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 5: Now I came to the next level, you know, And

491
00:25:25,319 --> 00:25:27,720
that's a whole nother story, you know, a whole nother ballgame.

492
00:25:27,799 --> 00:25:30,880
Speaker 3: But it was. It was an amazing moment in my life.

493
00:25:31,079 --> 00:25:33,200
And here's the funny thing. Okay, you're gonna appreciate this.

494
00:25:33,519 --> 00:25:36,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, John Kladner had a huge beard, Zzy

495
00:25:36,279 --> 00:25:39,200
top style, okay, and he said, welcome to get it.

496
00:25:39,759 --> 00:25:43,599
And I'm so excited. I hug him so hard. I

497
00:25:43,759 --> 00:25:47,400
pull back and my skull earring got stuck in his

498
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:51,880
freaking beard. And I decorated his beard like a Christmas

499
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:53,680
tree and I pulled it and I go, oh, my

500
00:25:53,839 --> 00:25:55,799
fucking earing I pulled it out of his beard.

501
00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 3: That's why. That's the first thing that's a total anything

502
00:26:00,599 --> 00:26:01,000
to happen.

503
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,160
Speaker 4: Well, of course, well you just said that. You know,

504
00:26:03,279 --> 00:26:05,279
this is a whole other story, and it just goes

505
00:26:05,319 --> 00:26:07,440
from there. I mean, let's go there. I mean, what's

506
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:08,559
what do you what do.

507
00:26:08,599 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 5: You Well, it's everything changes, you know, and and you

508
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,559
have the best opportunities, and you also get messed with,

509
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:16,359
you know.

510
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:18,599
Speaker 3: It's like, well, you don't get to put this song

511
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:19,200
on your record?

512
00:26:19,319 --> 00:26:19,680
Speaker 2: You do that?

513
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,519
Speaker 5: You mean they okay, the first album costs three hundred

514
00:26:22,599 --> 00:26:26,319
thousand dollars, right, they're a bank, right, So they say,

515
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,559
here's the money, go to Germany with Deeter Dirks. Go

516
00:26:29,599 --> 00:26:31,759
ahead and do your thing, but we're gonna tell you this,

517
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:33,400
and they'll tell you that, and you're gonna be able

518
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,319
to do this and you can't do that. It's it's

519
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:42,039
you're it's weird, and so it's it's a different world

520
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,920
and you're not as in control as you wish you

521
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,559
could be because you're just twenty three years old. I

522
00:26:47,559 --> 00:26:50,319
don't even know, you know. I'm just so grateful to

523
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,680
be there. I don't know how to fight anything, you know,

524
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,119
I just gotta I don't want to blow.

525
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:56,799
Speaker 3: This, you know. So it's it's very strange.

526
00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:00,119
Speaker 4: Are they like, are they talking about like bringing and

527
00:27:00,319 --> 00:27:03,000
writers to help. Are they talking about that stuff? It

528
00:27:03,079 --> 00:27:04,319
was just still all you guys.

529
00:27:04,759 --> 00:27:05,319
Speaker 3: It was all us.

530
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,079
Speaker 5: They weren't They weren't worried about it because I knew

531
00:27:07,079 --> 00:27:10,160
we had good songs and U. But it was we

532
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,200
don't like this song and we don't like what you're

533
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,920
saying here. I mean, we just we we We had

534
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,119
a on the second album, we had a song called

535
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,559
blame It on the Neighborhood and it was really cool,

536
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,960
and they said, no, you're not saying those lyrics. Okay,

537
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:24,400
so now what am I gonna do? So it turned

538
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,039
into a song called swing Time, which is on that record,

539
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:28,720
but initially it was.

540
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:30,759
Speaker 3: Called Blame It. On the neighborhood and it was really cool.

541
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,119
So you just kind of had to what do you

542
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,400
How do you fight people that are giving you all

543
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,720
this money to to get you into this position of

544
00:27:40,599 --> 00:27:42,200
to the possibility of being huge.

545
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,279
Speaker 5: You know, it's it's it's your walk in a weird line.

546
00:27:45,839 --> 00:27:48,880
And if I was older, I might have been known

547
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:50,519
how to fight it better, but I didn't know.

548
00:27:50,759 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 3: I was a kid.

549
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, do you still do you? I mean, do

550
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:55,440
you guys have your masters?

551
00:27:55,519 --> 00:27:55,640
Speaker 5: Now?

552
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,839
Speaker 3: We don't know anything, but I think after so many

553
00:27:58,920 --> 00:27:59,519
years you can.

554
00:27:59,759 --> 00:28:03,279
Speaker 5: But all owned by Universal Music bought everything from Geffen

555
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,039
and it is a real pain in the ass to

556
00:28:06,079 --> 00:28:07,039
try to get that worked out.

557
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,880
Speaker 3: Costs a lot of money. Lawyers are expensive. Yeah, I

558
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,119
don't know. I've talked with Tommy about that.

559
00:28:13,279 --> 00:28:15,559
Speaker 5: How can we get our we can get our stuff back,

560
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:17,240
you know, but I'm not sure it's going to be

561
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,359
possible for us, you know.

562
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, do you think they even exist? You know, because

563
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,079
they had that big fire and a lot of people

564
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,039
have lost so much stuff.

565
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:34,039
Speaker 5: That is true, and nobody knows. And you know, there

566
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:39,160
was a time period when black and blue cassettes albums

567
00:28:39,519 --> 00:28:40,880
see very few.

568
00:28:40,759 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 3: CDs we didn't even have a CD for the first

569
00:28:43,279 --> 00:28:47,559
few records. They weren't big enough yet, but they were

570
00:28:47,599 --> 00:28:49,079
going for huge money on eBay.

571
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:53,039
Speaker 5: So that's when Universal said, we're going to put out

572
00:28:53,039 --> 00:28:55,680
the best of Black and Blue, you know, and it's

573
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,480
called the Ultimate Collection, and they did that two thousand

574
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,480
and two or something like that. So that was released

575
00:29:01,599 --> 00:29:04,759
and since then that fire has happened. I don't know

576
00:29:04,799 --> 00:29:06,079
if anything exists anymore.

577
00:29:06,119 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 3: I really don't.

578
00:29:07,279 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, like I said, there's a lot of people

579
00:29:09,319 --> 00:29:11,720
that are in the same position as you. They don't

580
00:29:11,839 --> 00:29:13,640
know because they can't get in there.

581
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, good question. And I don't know.

582
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,119
Speaker 4: And the other stuff was eventually released on CD.

583
00:29:20,319 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 5: Correct, Everything was released on CD in Japan, and that

584
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,079
was a box set that was released that had all

585
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,160
four records and a DVD of our Japan show in

586
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:36,559
nineteen eighty four, so that was released and after that

587
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:38,720
and then the Best of came out in two thousand

588
00:29:38,759 --> 00:29:39,799
and something and then that's it.

589
00:29:40,359 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 3: Nothing else has ever been released.

590
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 4: Wow.

591
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:44,559
Speaker 3: And they're not in control of it, really, you know,

592
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,680
we were never in control.

593
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,799
Speaker 4: Of it, right right. I mean, so if you guys

594
00:29:48,839 --> 00:29:51,160
actually wanted to do a Black and Blue box at yourself.

595
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,519
You would have to get permission from Universal to go ahead.

596
00:29:54,519 --> 00:29:56,279
And yeah, was there ever any talk about that?

597
00:29:58,799 --> 00:30:03,039
Speaker 5: Not really, It's it's very hard to get that stuff

598
00:30:03,079 --> 00:30:05,000
figured out. I'm just I'm just a guy that likes

599
00:30:05,039 --> 00:30:05,960
to play music.

600
00:30:05,799 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 3: And yeah, yeah, I'm not all. I don't know all

601
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,200
the rules and regulations and how you do that. We

602
00:30:11,279 --> 00:30:12,480
need a lawyer and we need.

603
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 2: To you know.

604
00:30:13,039 --> 00:30:14,599
Speaker 5: I mean, if we wanted to fight to do it,

605
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,880
we probably could. But it takes money to do that.

606
00:30:18,319 --> 00:30:19,079
Is it gonna be worth it?

607
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:19,519
Speaker 3: I don't know?

608
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah exactly. Do you still have demos?

609
00:30:23,079 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 3: Oh?

610
00:30:23,319 --> 00:30:26,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, then the demos you just don't have the masters.

611
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,119
Yeah I could do you could do something with the

612
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:30,079
demos though, right.

613
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 3: Yeah we could. Uh, but that's what we just did.

614
00:30:32,759 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 5: We we re recorded two demos and then released them

615
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,839
now this way on band camp thing. Now, by the way,

616
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:40,519
let me just say so you can go on social

617
00:30:40,599 --> 00:30:44,160
media all of our social media is and get directed

618
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,319
to that band camp thing to buy the but uh,

619
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:51,000
we have I have cassette, huge box of cassettes from

620
00:30:51,079 --> 00:30:53,240
those years of all kinds of songs that were never

621
00:30:53,359 --> 00:30:54,119
put on a record.

622
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:56,799
Speaker 3: We have a ton we did a lot of writing,

623
00:30:57,279 --> 00:30:59,079
so there's more, you know.

624
00:30:59,759 --> 00:31:03,559
Speaker 4: Yeah. Was there any covers that were ever recorded covers?

625
00:31:04,279 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 3: Yes?

626
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:05,519
Speaker 4: Uh.

627
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:11,519
Speaker 5: We did a song that everybody knows, It's My Life.

628
00:31:12,559 --> 00:31:14,720
It was a Paul Stanley song. I think Wendy O.

629
00:31:14,759 --> 00:31:15,440
Williams did it.

630
00:31:16,119 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 4: Uh. I think it was a Gene road it was.

631
00:31:20,279 --> 00:31:26,640
It was a Gene song, yeah, because it was supposed

632
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,880
to be on Creatures and they didn't do it for

633
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,720
Creatures and then they gave it to Wendy right.

634
00:31:32,039 --> 00:31:34,839
Speaker 3: Well, we recorded that. Black and Blue recorded that song. Wow.

635
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 5: We recorded it when we were doing in Heat and

636
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,799
it's on those masters somewhere. That song was I think

637
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,559
pretty much done, but we don't know how to get it.

638
00:31:44,839 --> 00:31:47,319
We had a song that we completely did during those

639
00:31:47,359 --> 00:31:49,880
same sessions called Survival with Ted.

640
00:31:49,759 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 3: Nugent on guitar.

641
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 4: Wow.

642
00:31:52,599 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 3: Me and Tommy wrote the song with Ted.

643
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 5: Nugent and Ted Nugent's playing all the guitar. It's done

644
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,640
and it's in the vault somewhere only sessions.

645
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 3: Yeah.

646
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:06,319
Speaker 5: We also did a Brian Adams song well, yeah, you

647
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,599
walked Away Again. It was called and we did that

648
00:32:09,759 --> 00:32:12,160
song and it's again again. It got it was shilled

649
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,680
so there's all that's all owned by Universal Music.

650
00:32:15,759 --> 00:32:17,279
Speaker 3: Actually don't even do anything with it.

651
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 4: When did you When did you get the feeling that

652
00:32:20,599 --> 00:32:22,000
it was going to come to an end?

653
00:32:22,839 --> 00:32:23,039
Speaker 2: Well?

654
00:32:23,119 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 3: I never I never think it was going to end

655
00:32:25,039 --> 00:32:25,519
until it did.

656
00:32:25,839 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 5: We were dropped by Geffen in nineteen eighty nine, and

657
00:32:29,759 --> 00:32:33,279
I still didn't think it was over. I we Geene

658
00:32:33,279 --> 00:32:37,039
Simmons decided to manage us, and we were going to

659
00:32:37,079 --> 00:32:41,160
put out a record on Simmons Records, and then Tommy quit.

660
00:32:41,319 --> 00:32:42,920
When Tommy quit, I knew it was done.

661
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:45,319
Speaker 4: Was that hard for you?

662
00:32:45,839 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 3: Oh?

663
00:32:46,119 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, yes, we formed the band together. Yeah, and without him.

664
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,559
I just thought, well, I can't do I'm not going

665
00:32:53,599 --> 00:32:55,160
to go. I don't want to do it without him.

666
00:32:55,319 --> 00:32:58,240
So when I formed a band called Freight Train Jane

667
00:32:58,359 --> 00:33:00,799
and got a Japanese deal and started doing that stuff.

668
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was very far.

669
00:33:02,799 --> 00:33:04,039
Speaker 4: When did you get the Warren call?

670
00:33:06,319 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 5: I got two thousand and four, okay, and they called

671
00:33:10,799 --> 00:33:14,359
and said, hey, we we need a singer, and we

672
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,480
thought of you, and you know, we're going to audition

673
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,839
guys and stuff. Do you want to do You want

674
00:33:18,839 --> 00:33:20,640
to do it and you want to give it a shot.

675
00:33:20,799 --> 00:33:24,039
And I was living in Oregon at the time working

676
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,119
on the album Hell Yeah that Black and Blue released

677
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:31,599
on Frontiers. So I said, okay. They flew me down

678
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:35,640
to Los Angeles and I was only living in Portland

679
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,839
for about a year at that time because I wanted

680
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:44,519
to do that record. And I learned five songs and

681
00:33:44,839 --> 00:33:46,880
I went down there. There was a different drummer, but

682
00:33:47,039 --> 00:33:49,240
Joey Allen said, hey, if Saints going to come and sing,

683
00:33:49,319 --> 00:33:49,720
I'll come.

684
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,039
Speaker 3: And help you. Guys. He wasn't in the band. Okay,

685
00:33:52,119 --> 00:33:53,200
Joey Allen was not in the band.

686
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 5: Steven Sweet was not in the band. Eric and Jerry

687
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:00,000
are the ones that contacted me. So I learned five songs.

688
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:04,039
I learned down Boys Heaven, Cherry Pie, I think Uncle

689
00:34:04,119 --> 00:34:07,160
Tom's Cabin and another one. And I just went down

690
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:11,480
to sing and just nailed it. And I thought to myself,

691
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,320
I sounded pretty good at that And then I went

692
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,760
home and a week or so later they called me

693
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,360
and said we want you. I said, oh boy, okay,

694
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,880
let's do it. And here's the the hard part about

695
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:27,039
it was, they said, okay, we have a show, so

696
00:34:27,119 --> 00:34:28,760
you got to learn the rest of the set. And

697
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:34,440
it's in Daytona, Bike Week me five thousand people. We're

698
00:34:34,519 --> 00:34:37,320
opening for night Ranger, and we're not going to tell

699
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,000
anybody that we're replacing Jamie.

700
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,599
Speaker 3: You're just going to come out and sing. I was like,

701
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,559
fuck me, are.

702
00:34:44,519 --> 00:34:45,199
Speaker 4: You thanking me?

703
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,039
Speaker 3: I said, what, why aren't you going to say anything? Well,

704
00:34:48,119 --> 00:34:50,559
we don't want to tell the promoter. We're not gonna

705
00:34:50,599 --> 00:34:50,960
little now.

706
00:34:52,159 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I have to go out and do my first.

707
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 3: Show when nobody's even expecting me. You know, really weird.

708
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:00,679
What was the like?

709
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,199
Speaker 4: Did people notice? Did people care?

710
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:04,079
Speaker 3: Well?

711
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,280
Speaker 5: I I was sitting on the There was some stairs

712
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:09,800
back in the back to get up on the stage,

713
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:10,239
and I'm.

714
00:35:10,119 --> 00:35:13,280
Speaker 3: Just sitting there, sweating and going, oh god, this is

715
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:14,760
not a good position to be in.

716
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 5: Jack Blades saw me and he came over and he

717
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,960
started rubbing my shoulders and saying, Jamie, don't worry, you

718
00:35:21,119 --> 00:35:24,440
got this, You got you could do this. I Black

719
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:26,239
and Blue toured with Night Ranger a lot back in

720
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,119
the day, and so he knew me, and I said,

721
00:35:29,159 --> 00:35:32,320
thanks Jack. I went up and the first song down

722
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,039
Boys Boom. We opened up with it or or it

723
00:35:34,199 --> 00:35:35,400
surefields good one of them.

724
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,079
Speaker 4: We opened up with great song.

725
00:35:37,559 --> 00:35:41,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I was blank. I was.

726
00:35:41,559 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 5: I was in a weird fog because I thought what

727
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,320
am I doing here? You know, And by the second

728
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,800
or third song, the crowd was nuts. It was it

729
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,360
was great, It went over great. I remember walking back

730
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:56,920
to our dressing room after the show and saying, good God,

731
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:57,440
it worked.

732
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:02,320
Speaker 4: You know, yeah, was it Did it feel natural? Did

733
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:03,920
it feel right? Did it feel weird?

734
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 3: It felt weird.

735
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 5: But the thing I would have said, no if my

736
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:14,599
voice didn't sound right. You know, I can't sing certain bands,

737
00:36:14,639 --> 00:36:16,199
you know, it was Cinderella.

738
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 3: I can't sing Cinderella. Yeah, I don't. I don't. I

739
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:19,880
can't do that.

740
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,079
Speaker 5: But warrant it worked. I I sounded good. And I

741
00:36:23,159 --> 00:36:25,360
have some old DVDs of some of the shows we did,

742
00:36:25,639 --> 00:36:27,559
and I listened back to him years later and I go,

743
00:36:28,159 --> 00:36:28,960
that was really good.

744
00:36:29,039 --> 00:36:29,519
Speaker 3: That was good.

745
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 2: You know.

746
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 3: I had a couple of clunky shows, but for the

747
00:36:32,039 --> 00:36:33,039
most part I was really good.

748
00:36:33,519 --> 00:36:35,039
Speaker 4: Well it's fucking rock and roll clunky.

749
00:36:35,159 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah it was. And it was a fun ride,

750
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:40,840
it really was.

751
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:44,079
Speaker 4: I had a good time when that ended. What was

752
00:36:44,119 --> 00:36:46,840
it like for you when that when that run ended, well,

753
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:48,920
Jane came back, yeah, yeah.

754
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, uh And they just said We're gonna have Janie

755
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:52,480
back because we can.

756
00:36:52,639 --> 00:36:55,320
Speaker 5: You know, there's a there's a certain booking agency that said,

757
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:56,639
didn't give us a lot of money.

758
00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:00,679
Speaker 3: If you and uh sad you know, way for me,

759
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:02,559
because huh, when.

760
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,519
Speaker 5: You're in a band and you're playing sixty shows a year,

761
00:37:04,559 --> 00:37:06,760
it's kind of like I'm I'm out, you know, it's

762
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:07,239
it's weird.

763
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 3: But of course Jane should be the singer of the band,

764
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:11,440
you know, of.

765
00:37:11,519 --> 00:37:12,280
Speaker 4: Course, you know.

766
00:37:12,519 --> 00:37:15,079
Speaker 3: So yeah, and and uh, you know, it was a

767
00:37:15,639 --> 00:37:17,639
it was a look, I'm still friends with those guys.

768
00:37:17,679 --> 00:37:18,119
It's all good.

769
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah. When so when did you put Black and

770
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:21,639
Blue back together?

771
00:37:23,199 --> 00:37:28,320
Speaker 5: When I I got a record deal just me in

772
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:34,199
England and I, uh, I called up Jeff Warner because

773
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:37,000
he had a recording studio, and I thought, maybe I'll

774
00:37:37,119 --> 00:37:40,440
take the money and record there, and uh and then

775
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,320
I started thinking about it. I go, why don't we

776
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,280
make it a Black and Blue record instead of Jamie

777
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:48,199
Saint James, you know, and uh and then it just

778
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,599
went from there. Let's call Pete, Let's call Pat. You know,

779
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,360
Tommy wasn't busy and kiss.

780
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,679
Speaker 4: You know, right, but you had a conversation with him

781
00:37:56,679 --> 00:37:57,000
about it.

782
00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 3: I can't remember it. It was a while ago.

783
00:38:00,079 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 5: Uh, I might have talked with Tommy. Look, Tommy and

784
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,039
I have always been friends all throughout the whole thing.

785
00:38:05,079 --> 00:38:07,079
I've never been more proud of anybody in my life

786
00:38:07,159 --> 00:38:08,639
that seeing Tommy on stage with Kiss.

787
00:38:09,159 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 4: Absolutely.

788
00:38:10,159 --> 00:38:13,280
Speaker 3: I just look up there with joy and just just love.

789
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:15,719
I love Tommy, you know. So I don't know if

790
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,280
I talked to him. I probably did, but it was

791
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:19,559
all new music, you know.

792
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,679
Speaker 5: And oh yeah I did, of course, because I was

793
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,599
over his house and I told him what I was

794
00:38:25,599 --> 00:38:26,960
writing a song, and he goes, why don't you call

795
00:38:27,039 --> 00:38:29,480
the song hell yeah? I go, You're getta writing credit

796
00:38:29,559 --> 00:38:31,199
for that one, because I will call it hell yeah.

797
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:36,800
So sorry, my memory is not so great.

798
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,760
Speaker 4: Oh, it happens. It happens. And when we get longer

799
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:45,119
in the tooth, Yes, when's the last time you had

800
00:38:45,199 --> 00:38:45,679
short hair?

801
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 3: Uh? When I was probably six?

802
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 4: Really? Oh yeah, yeah, I thought about cutting the mop off. No, no,

803
00:38:55,159 --> 00:38:56,039
I won't. No.

804
00:38:56,199 --> 00:38:58,519
Speaker 5: Hell Now, when I was a little kid, I used

805
00:38:58,559 --> 00:39:00,159
to go to my dad would take me to a

806
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:04,159
barber shop, proper barber shop. And I go in there

807
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:08,960
and I'd say, give me a beetle cut and they'd

808
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:10,840
shave all the sides down. I had a little thing

809
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,679
on the time. It was called a regular boring is that?

810
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,039
So finally one day I went in there and I said,

811
00:39:18,079 --> 00:39:20,320
give you a beetle cut. And he said, son, you

812
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:24,119
don't have enough hair for a beetle cut. And I said, boo,

813
00:39:24,599 --> 00:39:27,840
I'm never cutting it again. And by the time I

814
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,039
was in like sixth seventh grade, I had long hair.

815
00:39:30,199 --> 00:39:31,440
When I was in high school, my hair.

816
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:32,039
Speaker 3: Was exactly like this.

817
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:37,639
Speaker 5: Oh wow, yeah, And I said, I cutting it, And yeah,

818
00:39:37,639 --> 00:39:39,800
I say, it's just a weird It's just me now,

819
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:40,079
you know.

820
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm lucky that I have so much hair.

821
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,719
I'm sixty five years old. Look at this, you know.

822
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,559
Speaker 5: But it's funny because now I put whatever we advertise

823
00:39:48,599 --> 00:39:50,039
for one of our shows, we're going to play, I say,

824
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,000
no backing tracks, no wigs.

825
00:39:55,880 --> 00:40:02,039
Speaker 4: Fucking brilliant, brilliant. Yeah, let's talk about the tracks. Obviously

826
00:40:02,119 --> 00:40:07,199
you're anti track, but I think, I mean, there's a

827
00:40:07,599 --> 00:40:12,079
there's spots for it, like keyboard parts, not bringing a

828
00:40:12,159 --> 00:40:16,000
full orchestra with you ship like that. But I mean

829
00:40:16,039 --> 00:40:17,519
a live show should be a live show.

830
00:40:18,079 --> 00:40:20,079
Speaker 3: I really like live and I'll tell you where it's.

831
00:40:20,119 --> 00:40:22,599
Speaker 5: Where it changes is when the drummer has to wear

832
00:40:23,159 --> 00:40:26,679
headphones or in ears and there's a click track because

833
00:40:26,679 --> 00:40:29,039
they have to stay steady. That means you've got tracks

834
00:40:29,119 --> 00:40:31,280
running and you can't get off of it. And that's

835
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:34,039
when it just is not a band to me. But

836
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,119
uh look, Black and Blue, we we have two tracks.

837
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,639
One of them is a car for autumn and the

838
00:40:40,679 --> 00:40:41,719
other is the intro to.

839
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 3: Stop the lightning?

840
00:40:42,639 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 4: Did you stop?

841
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:44,159
Speaker 2: Stop?

842
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 3: Stop?

843
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:45,039
Speaker 1: Stop?

844
00:40:46,079 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 3: So those that and Pataway says where are the tracks?

845
00:40:49,159 --> 00:40:53,880
Turn up the tracks? They stop saying tracks. God damn it,

846
00:40:54,199 --> 00:40:56,360
I call it. Where's the where's the tape? Where's the

847
00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:00,159
intro tape? But we I just don't. I'm not a

848
00:41:00,199 --> 00:41:02,719
fan of it. I want it should be real, and

849
00:41:03,519 --> 00:41:04,719
you know, we don't. We don't do that.

850
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 5: And I look, I know there's a lot of bands

851
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,920
that do and I and I think it's kind of

852
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:14,800
cheating and it's kind of odd, but uh, I doudn't mind.

853
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,599
At a certain point we started playing I'll be there

854
00:41:17,639 --> 00:41:20,679
for You. That's a video that we actually had on MTV.

855
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,519
Jonathan Kaine wrote the song, we recorded it for a

856
00:41:24,639 --> 00:41:27,679
movie and they ended up geffing again.

857
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 3: It's one of those things. It's going on the record

858
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,320
and it's the single. But it was for a movie.

859
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,840
We didn't even it doesn't even fit Nasty Nasty.

860
00:41:34,079 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 4: Right right, What movie was it for.

861
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:38,599
Speaker 3: It was for a movie called Out of Bounds with

862
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,920
Anthony Michael Hall and nobody probably remembers it her nose.

863
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:44,760
It was supposed to be in.

864
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,800
Speaker 5: That movie and they said, no, we're going to put

865
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,000
it on the record, forget it. Jonathan Kane wrote it

866
00:41:50,119 --> 00:41:52,000
and produced it. We went to the studio just with

867
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,880
just with Jonathan Kane, not with Gene Simmons. Gene Simmons

868
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:59,360
was producing with Nasty Nasty at that time. They put

869
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,400
it on Nasty and then we had no choice.

870
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,599
Speaker 3: But it had a keyboard part of it intro did

871
00:42:04,639 --> 00:42:06,719
did did did do this thing and we used that

872
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:09,480
but it's just an intro again.

873
00:42:09,599 --> 00:42:15,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a even back Jesus Christ. It

874
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:19,199
was I think the first time I interviewed Jeff lebar

875
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,880
God Bless his soul. Maybe it was before the first

876
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:28,760
Monsters cruise and some of that came up and Jeff's

877
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:30,599
was like, yeah, there's a lot of bands out there

878
00:42:30,679 --> 00:42:34,679
using what he called pixie dust or fairy Dusty they

879
00:42:35,039 --> 00:42:37,400
you know, and we're not one of those bands like

880
00:42:37,599 --> 00:42:42,159
even back in twenty twelve, you know it was it

881
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:42,920
was still a thing.

882
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:47,559
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's you know, it's it's Look, there's a I

883
00:42:47,679 --> 00:42:49,920
saw a concert recently and I went to see Shine

884
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,400
Down and I know they even saw kind of tracks

885
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:53,920
and stuff, but I still enjoyed the show.

886
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,119
Speaker 3: It's not for me and I and I will say

887
00:42:57,159 --> 00:42:57,760
it on stage.

888
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 5: You know you're gonna hear all the bruises and cuts, slashes,

889
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,039
and it's going to get ugly and you know.

890
00:43:03,119 --> 00:43:06,079
Speaker 3: Every mistake we make. But it's real. You know, if

891
00:43:06,119 --> 00:43:09,320
you want it perfect, put on the CD. But I

892
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,559
I just thick live should be live. And that's me.

893
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,519
Everybody's different. I don't. I don't have anything against people

894
00:43:15,559 --> 00:43:17,440
that do it. I know bands that do it, and

895
00:43:17,519 --> 00:43:19,920
it's fine if you know that's.

896
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:23,039
Speaker 4: You, not me, right right, So coming up here. You

897
00:43:23,079 --> 00:43:27,239
will be in Vegas in November for Kiss Cruise Landlocked

898
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,599
Landlocked Kiss or however the exact wording is. I should

899
00:43:31,599 --> 00:43:33,960
probably have that down by tomorrow when I have on.

900
00:43:36,079 --> 00:43:37,079
When did you get the call?

901
00:43:37,199 --> 00:43:37,800
Speaker 3: I mean, what what?

902
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 5: What can we expect Well, actually Tommy called me and said,

903
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,920
you need to talk to this person because they want

904
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:48,199
you for this thing. And I guess it came about

905
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:53,360
because Doc McGee was doing a Kiss super fan meeting,

906
00:43:53,559 --> 00:43:54,760
convention whatever.

907
00:43:54,559 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 3: It is, and said who should be on the next

908
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:57,280
Kiss thing?

909
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 2: Who?

910
00:43:57,519 --> 00:43:58,079
Speaker 3: What bands?

911
00:43:58,199 --> 00:44:02,159
Speaker 5: And black and Blue kept getting so he said, black

912
00:44:02,199 --> 00:44:06,000
and Blue it is, And so they're production company that's

913
00:44:06,079 --> 00:44:08,280
doing this thing. I talked to the guy and said

914
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,639
we want you, so I said, okay, let's do it,

915
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,159
you know. And then it's just went from there. But yeah,

916
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,679
it's I call it the Kiss event. Well I don't

917
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,480
like a landlocked cruise there there, there you go, but

918
00:44:18,519 --> 00:44:19,719
it's a Kiss Vegas event.

919
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 3: Is when I say it's going to be fun. Kiss

920
00:44:22,559 --> 00:44:23,480
always does a good job.

921
00:44:23,559 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 5: I've been we did a Kiss cruise and they do

922
00:44:26,519 --> 00:44:29,960
a fantastic job, you know, And it's going to be fun,

923
00:44:30,079 --> 00:44:30,920
it's gonna be a blast.

924
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:34,559
Speaker 4: Well what can you're going to be Tommy is going

925
00:44:34,599 --> 00:44:36,039
to be playing with the guys for a couple songs

926
00:44:36,039 --> 00:44:36,880
at least, correct.

927
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,199
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, he's going to jump up on stage with us,

928
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:41,840
probably for the last three songs, three or four songs,

929
00:44:42,039 --> 00:44:45,239
you know. So that's that's always fun, you know.

930
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:49,079
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you've done that obviously, you've done that before.

931
00:44:49,519 --> 00:44:53,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, we played like Black and Blue has played

932
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:57,199
charity events for you know, raised money for Peter Peter Wolves,

933
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:58,320
our drummer.

934
00:44:58,639 --> 00:44:59,679
Speaker 3: His wife had cancer.

935
00:45:00,159 --> 00:45:03,039
Speaker 5: Unfortunately passed away, but we did a benefit for her,

936
00:45:03,159 --> 00:45:05,079
got a bunch of money to try to help, you know,

937
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:08,679
help her, but unfortunately she passed away from it, you know.

938
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 3: And we did some charity events for Patrick.

939
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:17,199
Speaker 5: Young's brother Jeff Young, who has als and I think

940
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:19,000
we we bought him up. We got him a van

941
00:45:19,079 --> 00:45:22,599
in a wheelchair set up. You know, We've done a lot,

942
00:45:22,639 --> 00:45:25,760
and Gene Simmons was involved in all that. But every

943
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,639
time Tommy has played with us, you know, we've played

944
00:45:28,679 --> 00:45:31,920
with him periodically, you know, right right.

945
00:45:32,119 --> 00:45:35,280
Speaker 4: Well, speaking of the tribute world, you were still in

946
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:39,039
the tribute world. You're still doing cheaper trick, right, I

947
00:45:39,159 --> 00:45:39,679
am doing it.

948
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,519
Speaker 5: You know, I'm going to tell you why I do it.

949
00:45:43,079 --> 00:45:46,519
Number One, Robin Xander is my favorite vocalist of all time.

950
00:45:47,639 --> 00:45:51,679
I and these guys called me and said you want

951
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,559
to do They had a girls singer before me. They

952
00:45:54,599 --> 00:45:59,320
were called in color and said, well, cheap, cheap trick,

953
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,119
I will go and let's see how this works. So

954
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:06,880
it sounded good. And number two, I have to sing.

955
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:11,199
If I don't sing, my voice goes withers away. So

956
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:12,639
I don't play a lot of shows with.

957
00:46:12,679 --> 00:46:13,639
Speaker 3: Black and Blue. What do we do?

958
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 4: You know?

959
00:46:14,199 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 5: Six seven shows a year if we're lucky. So this

960
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,000
keeps my voice in check. And what a way to

961
00:46:20,079 --> 00:46:22,159
do it by singing Robin Xander? You know, I mean,

962
00:46:22,559 --> 00:46:25,519
I love it and I just love the cheap trick

963
00:46:25,599 --> 00:46:27,440
and I love Robin Zander, like I say, it's my

964
00:46:27,519 --> 00:46:28,079
favorite singer.

965
00:46:28,119 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 3: So it's a no brainer. And that keeps me in ching?

966
00:46:31,159 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 4: Is how hard is it? Because Xander's I mean he's

967
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:36,360
a freak of nature.

968
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:38,559
Speaker 3: Yes he is. And it is hard.

969
00:46:38,599 --> 00:46:41,360
Speaker 5: It's very hard, especially if we have to do ninety

970
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:45,760
minutes show. Damn, he's gonna be hard now, you know

971
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:50,559
it's it's it's not easy at all, but it's fun

972
00:46:50,599 --> 00:46:52,039
and I get to play a little guitar when I

973
00:46:52,119 --> 00:46:52,679
do this is fun.

974
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:56,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely absolutely. Because you were supposed to do the

975
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:58,159
flame with us on the on the boat that one

976
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:03,079
year and circumstances have been or whatever. How are you sober?

977
00:47:03,159 --> 00:47:05,840
Now yeah, yeah, how long has it been?

978
00:47:06,039 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 3: Two and a half years?

979
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 4: Okay, how does it feel?

980
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:13,760
Speaker 5: It feels good, to be honest with you, it's it's

981
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,000
it's weird because the first year is is such a

982
00:47:16,079 --> 00:47:19,800
struggle in strangeness, and first it's really weird. How do

983
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:23,280
you go like on a cruise like that and all

984
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,920
of a sudden, But after a while it starts to

985
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,239
become a you know, it's not it's not a problem.

986
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 3: It's really good. It's really good. I recommend it.

987
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 4: Did you go to rehab or did you just.

988
00:47:35,519 --> 00:47:35,559
Speaker 2: I?

989
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 5: Okay, well I went to a place where they gave

990
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:42,760
me an injection of something called vivatrol.

991
00:47:43,199 --> 00:47:44,320
Speaker 4: Okay, and okay.

992
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:49,599
Speaker 5: So when you're drinking for years, your brain stops making dopamine,

993
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:51,239
is how it's explained to me.

994
00:47:52,039 --> 00:47:54,679
Speaker 3: So this kind of counteracts that because that's the only.

995
00:47:54,599 --> 00:47:56,800
Speaker 5: Way you feel good is with the dopamine. Right, So

996
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:59,440
if you have a drink, you you feel good, but

997
00:47:59,559 --> 00:48:03,440
your brain stops making it. So this vivitrol drug makes

998
00:48:03,519 --> 00:48:06,599
you not have to go there. And I was on

999
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:12,039
that for about eight months and it works. It's it's

1000
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,480
in your brain kind of readjusts and all of a

1001
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:16,599
sudden you can be happy again.

1002
00:48:18,159 --> 00:48:21,519
Speaker 3: I'm not an expert, man, but I I do, I

1003
00:48:21,639 --> 00:48:23,760
do think that life is better without all that.

1004
00:48:24,519 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 4: Well, I'm happy for you. I'm proud of you, and

1005
00:48:27,079 --> 00:48:30,199
I'm glad you're healthy. That's the most important thing.

1006
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 5: It is, you know, and uh yeah, I mean it's

1007
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:36,800
it's it's you could when it first, when you first

1008
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:37,599
start to even.

1009
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 3: Think about that. If you you know, if you if

1010
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:42,239
you like drinking and stuff, you think I never gonna

1011
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:45,000
have fun again. It's gonna suck. No, No, you're gonna

1012
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:46,920
be fine. You just gotta takes a little time.

1013
00:48:47,559 --> 00:48:49,199
Speaker 4: See my problem is I just love beer.

1014
00:48:49,679 --> 00:48:51,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, if you don't have a problem, you don't

1015
00:48:51,639 --> 00:48:52,079
have a problem.

1016
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:54,039
Speaker 4: Oh there's that. There's that. Plus, you know I got

1017
00:48:54,119 --> 00:48:57,119
that some bitch behind me. You know you've seen the

1018
00:48:57,199 --> 00:49:00,199
sum bitch. Yeah yeah, yeah, you know he's a back

1019
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:06,320
I noticed it. Yeah, of course he's the goddamn sum bitch. Jamie.

1020
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:08,639
People want to find you. People want to find the band.

1021
00:49:08,679 --> 00:49:12,280
They want to find the links to uh the two

1022
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:13,639
song Bruiser. Where can they go?

1023
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:15,599
Speaker 3: Go to our Facebook?

1024
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 5: Go to Black and Blue Facebook, Jamie Jamie sat Jamis Facebook.

1025
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:23,679
Speaker 3: Black and Blueofficial dot com go anywhere.

1026
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 5: It's on band camp and so there's links on all those,

1027
00:49:26,559 --> 00:49:29,639
all the social media, Twitter, all that. So shoot you

1028
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,719
right there, buy that by just spend five bucks and

1029
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:34,719
buy this thing and maybe we'll do some more.

1030
00:49:35,559 --> 00:49:37,800
Speaker 4: I love it, man, I love it. And like you said,

1031
00:49:38,159 --> 00:49:40,840
you said, there's stuff you just can't talk about it.

1032
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:43,280
Speaker 5: There is more going on in my life, and it

1033
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:45,920
is very exciting. But yeah, it's it's for another time

1034
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,159
to talk about it's too sin all right.

1035
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 4: I love it, and hold on, I'm gonna hit my

1036
00:49:50,599 --> 00:49:53,199
ultra music here and I'm just gonna I'm just gonna

1037
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:55,000
hold you with me while I do my ultra. Then

1038
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:56,679
we'll say goodbye off the air. Hold on after we

1039
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:02,599
h come on now, oh here we comes here, it comes.

1040
00:50:03,039 --> 00:50:05,639
Come along now, children. This is what we call producing

1041
00:50:05,679 --> 00:50:08,000
on the fly. When you're not ready for something. Come

1042
00:50:08,039 --> 00:50:12,239
along now, children, come Oh, it's loading, it's loading. And

1043
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:14,360
of course I'm gonna leave this whole goddamn thing in here,

1044
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:19,840
because fucking rock and roll, right is awesome. Hey, I look,

1045
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:24,639
I do my best. Here we go and there we go.

1046
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:26,760
I can hear it, ladies and gentlemen, there's been another

1047
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:29,400
fucking podcast, Jamie Saint, James, Black and Blue.

1048
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:30,280
Speaker 2: Thank you.

1049
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:33,159
Speaker 4: This is the first time, the second time. The first

1050
00:50:33,199 --> 00:50:35,320
time was a I think it was a cheap trick

1051
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:37,119
show or a kiss show. I can't remember.

1052
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 3: We we we were got together on a zoom for

1053
00:50:41,599 --> 00:50:42,639
the Van Halen Deal.

1054
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:43,679
Speaker 4: That was van Halen.

1055
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 3: There it is, yes, there it is.

1056
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 4: But I'm glad I finally got you on for a

1057
00:50:47,679 --> 00:50:50,079
real interview. And there will be more to come when

1058
00:50:50,079 --> 00:50:53,000
all your all your fun stuff starts happening that you

1059
00:50:53,079 --> 00:50:54,320
can finally talk about.

1060
00:50:54,519 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 3: Uh, I'll hold you to it. We'll do it.

1061
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:59,280
Speaker 4: I look forward to it. And of course on Tuesday,

1062
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:03,679
Bruce Q talking about the fortieth anniversary of Kiss Asylum

1063
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,400
and I to me, that's the best thing they put

1064
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:11,440
out past Love Gun, So I'm probably I am excited.

1065
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:13,400
Make sure you guys hit up the Patreon. It's only

1066
00:51:13,519 --> 00:51:16,159
five dollars a month. Get the shows before everybody, get

1067
00:51:16,199 --> 00:51:20,360
them AD free and everything is Hepresy dot com. My

1068
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:23,440
new comedy special is out on YouTube. It's only five minutes,

1069
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:27,239
five minutes live recorded live on the Mountain Music Festival

1070
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:32,280
and until Tuesday, my name is Eazy Presley. This has

1071
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:34,760
been another effort podcast. I'm the host of the program

1072
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:38,760
and don't forget what I lack of talent, I'll make

1073
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:39,519
up for the cock.

1074
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Speaker 3: Excellent man