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<v Speaker 1>In the quiet spring of nineteen ninety two, a string

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<v Speaker 1>of brutal murders unfolded along the quiet towns and highways

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<v Speaker 1>of America's Midwest. One by one, small business clerks were targeted,

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<v Speaker 1>ambushed in broad daylight, and shot execution style. Being left

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<v Speaker 1>behind with little evidence and even fewer answers, The killer

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<v Speaker 1>seemed to vanish into the interstate traffic each and every time,

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<v Speaker 1>earning the chilling nickname the Ie seventy Killer. Three decades later,

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<v Speaker 1>their identity still remains a mystery, and the deadly events

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<v Speaker 1>still haunts the road that they once prowled. This is

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<v Speaker 1>the unsolved story of the Eye's seventy Killer.

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<v Speaker 2>My name's Ben, I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked and.

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<v Speaker 1>Grim, a true crime podcast. Warning the following yes material

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome, Welcome, Welcome to Wicked and grib true crime.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, we've had some people who are like they've

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<v Speaker 1>got the intro downpacked and memorized. We've seen people lip

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<v Speaker 1>sync it before as their red can't put it in

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<v Speaker 1>their stories or send it to us. We do record

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<v Speaker 1>a new one every time. It's not the same thing

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<v Speaker 1>that gets replayed. Yeah, which I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>You could easily just put something in there, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of fun.

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<v Speaker 1>We're also recording anyways, we can just say it again. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes we put a little bit of a different spin

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<v Speaker 1>on it, but usually it's the same.

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<v Speaker 2>Or if one of us has a cold, then you're

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<v Speaker 2>aware right away.

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<v Speaker 1>That too, too. Got to love the fact that you

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<v Speaker 1>actually rely on your voice and your sound for something

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<v Speaker 1>like a podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>It when I get sick, it makes me kind of

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<v Speaker 2>panic a bit more like oh shit, oh shit, oh shit.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just I don't know. It's like your livelihood a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit too.

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<v Speaker 1>That's true because I mean, if you lose your voice,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're still if your body's still fine, you can

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<v Speaker 1>go into work, right mm hmm. And here, if you

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<v Speaker 1>lose your voice but your body is still fine, you

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<v Speaker 1>can't go into work. It's like no one's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be able to hear me.

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<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, and especially too with like photo shoots, I

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<v Speaker 2>can't really do them with no voice either, So that's true.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, now.

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<v Speaker 1>People rely on you, and we rely on you guys

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<v Speaker 1>for listening to the show, and people like Anika Wilson,

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<v Speaker 1>they're getting behind the scenes and exclusive content. So thank you, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you very very much. How'd you like my segue

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<v Speaker 1>that time? That's good. I just went right into the

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<v Speaker 1>games without even talking.

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<v Speaker 2>About, oh we're going there.

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<v Speaker 1>It was an aggressive one. Are you excited for this case?

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<v Speaker 2>Well?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but something else. We're going golfing?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, holy shit, we're going to a driving range. Is

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<v Speaker 2>that considered golfing? I don't going to a driving range, that's.

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<v Speaker 1>Just going to a driving range. We last time we

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<v Speaker 1>golf was high school because we did have gym together

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<v Speaker 1>a pee and we actually had golf in one of

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<v Speaker 1>our classes. And I think you or I haven't been

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<v Speaker 1>since no, and that was a long ass time ago. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that was half our lifetime ago.

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<v Speaker 2>And now we live about you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, more than actually shit a.

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<v Speaker 2>Few minutes away from a golf course. So we're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>go see if we are into it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know. So it's gonna be a good day.

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<v Speaker 1>Some true crime, some coffee.

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<v Speaker 2>And some golf hockey is kind of over for us,

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<v Speaker 2>so we're going golfing.

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<v Speaker 1>Hockey is not over. It's over for the second I know.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just kidding. And the Stanley Cup runs still going.

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<v Speaker 1>We are still watching that, so and I do have

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<v Speaker 1>to say I did pick a new team for it,

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<v Speaker 1>not for standard cheering, just for the Stanley Cup because

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<v Speaker 1>the Canucks are out. I am cheering for the Winnipeg

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<v Speaker 1>Jets to win the Cup this year. Okay, well we

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<v Speaker 1>both are. We both are.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we both kind of picked that team only, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think only because we felt they also have a

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<v Speaker 1>And I do like hellabuck though he is kind of

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<v Speaker 1>shitting the bed in the playoffs.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the last two games. That's so sad. Pressure's got

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<v Speaker 2>to maybe or something.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but I mean with him versus you know, Bennington,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like the Keene Canada versus US thing all over

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<v Speaker 1>the nations. Yeah, if you know, you know, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're not a hockey person, probably doesn't make sense

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<v Speaker 1>and you probably don't care to hear about it while

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<v Speaker 1>you're trying to like, let's get to the case, so

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<v Speaker 1>let's go, let's do that, Let's do exactly that. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>you ready, okay. In the spring of nineteen ninety two,

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<v Speaker 1>a shadow slipped quietly along America's highways, a figure who

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<v Speaker 1>targeted unsuspecting store clerks in small, quiet shops scattered across

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<v Speaker 1>the Midwest. This was no ordinary criminal. The man who

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<v Speaker 1>became known as the I seventy Killer left behind a

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<v Speaker 1>trail of devastation across Indiana, Kansas, and Missouri, killing six

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<v Speaker 1>people in less than one month with chilling precision. His

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<v Speaker 1>method was always the same, a sudden execution style gunshot

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<v Speaker 1>to the back of the head, a small amount of

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<v Speaker 1>cash taken, and then he'd vanished back into the endless

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<v Speaker 1>ribbon of the Interstate. Now to understand the I seventy Killer, though,

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<v Speaker 1>you first have to understand his hunting grounds. The Interstate seventy.

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<v Speaker 1>It isn't just any road. It's a massive stretch of

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred miles of the United States. From the crowded

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<v Speaker 1>streets of Baltimore, Maryland, to the rugged landscapes of Utah.

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<v Speaker 1>I seventy cuts straight through the heart of the country

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<v Speaker 1>in the Midwest. It winds through Indiana, Missouri, and Kansas,

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<v Speaker 1>the very states where the killings would take place. These

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<v Speaker 1>highways are a lifeline for commerce and travel, but they

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<v Speaker 1>also offer something darker, obscurity. On any given day, thousands

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<v Speaker 1>of cars flow through the rest stops, the gas stations,

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<v Speaker 1>in small town shopping plazas, or whatever you may find.

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<v Speaker 1>Drivers come and go without notice, blending into the endless movement.

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<v Speaker 1>It's easy to arrive unnoticed, and even easier to leave unnoticed.

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<v Speaker 1>The killer seems to have figured this out and understand

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<v Speaker 1>this perfectly. He didn't choose crowded malls or bustling city streets. Instead,

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<v Speaker 1>he struck at small specialty shops tucked just off the highway,

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<v Speaker 1>placed where only one employee might be working, where security

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<v Speaker 1>cameras or any other measurements were almost non existent, and

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<v Speaker 1>where an outsider wouldn't raise any immediate suspicion. So to

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<v Speaker 1>say the least, it was the perfect environment for someone

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<v Speaker 1>who wanted to kill quickly and then slip away and

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<v Speaker 1>just go now. The first known victim of the I

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<v Speaker 1>seventy killer was a woman by the name of Robin Flauder,

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<v Speaker 1>a twenty six year old store manager with a bright

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<v Speaker 1>future ahead of her. On April eighth, nineteen ninety two,

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<v Speaker 1>Robin was covering an afternoon shift at the Paylist's Shoe source,

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<v Speaker 1>located at seven three two five Pendleton Pike in Indianapolis, Indiana.

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<v Speaker 1>She hadn't planned to work that day. She was stepping

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<v Speaker 1>in for an employee who had called out. The Paylist's

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<v Speaker 1>store was quiet, sitting on the outskirts of the city,

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<v Speaker 1>with minimal staff and no security cameras. The only precaution

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<v Speaker 1>was a simple door buzzer that chimed whenever anyone entered

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<v Speaker 1>the store. That afternoon, Robin was working alone. Police would

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<v Speaker 1>later reconstruct a rough timeline of what happened. The last

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<v Speaker 1>known transaction at the red occurred at one twelve PM,

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<v Speaker 1>a customer purchased a pair of men's shoes and a

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<v Speaker 1>pair of women's as well, short time after tragedy would strike.

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<v Speaker 1>Investigators believe that the killer entered the store, likely pretending

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<v Speaker 1>to browse and be a patron, but once he confirmed

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<v Speaker 1>Robin was alone, he led her to the back stock

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<v Speaker 1>room at gunpoint. There, using a twenty two caliber pistol,

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<v Speaker 1>he shot her execution style in the back of the head,

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<v Speaker 1>not once, but twice. He then emptied the register, but

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<v Speaker 1>it still estimated that he stole less than a few

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<v Speaker 1>hundred dollars. He then fled through the rear exit, disappearing

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<v Speaker 1>before anyone could react. That is some scary shit, yep.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I noticed that when I'm in a store or somewhere,

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<v Speaker 2>if there's only one person working, I like almost so

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<v Speaker 2>nervous for them because I feel that you should have

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<v Speaker 2>two people at all times kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree, it's a safety measure. Right now, there are

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<v Speaker 1>different you know, things that are written into you know,

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<v Speaker 1>procedures and stuff for safety. Is like, okay, if you

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<v Speaker 1>need help, like there's other stores beside you or across

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<v Speaker 1>the street, there's other people quote unquote technically around, but

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<v Speaker 1>they're not in the same building. They're not there to

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<v Speaker 1>see or hear. What if you slip and fall off

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<v Speaker 1>or ladder? For say, yeah, right, I feel.

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<v Speaker 2>A mall might be okay, you know when everyone's inside

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<v Speaker 2>and you're like walking around the circle and all these

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<v Speaker 2>stores have their storefront. But even like an outside mall

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<v Speaker 2>isn't a safe I don't know, but it costs so

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<v Speaker 2>much more for a business owner to have two people working,

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<v Speaker 2>That's true, what do you do?

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<v Speaker 1>It's funny because working in like industrial places that I

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<v Speaker 1>did before I was a first aid attendant and the

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<v Speaker 1>regulations where you have to have one first aid attendant

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<v Speaker 1>on site. Mm hm, Well what happens if that first

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<v Speaker 1>aid attendant is the one that gets hurt? Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Shit?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that went through my mind so many times because

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<v Speaker 1>like I was working in like very dangerous areas, right,

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<v Speaker 1>like giant saws and massive equipment, and you're the one.

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<v Speaker 1>What if I'm the one that gets hurt? Oh, then

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<v Speaker 1>you're just fucked exactly. So. But at the same time,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like how far do you push those countermeasures too, because,

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<v Speaker 1>like you said, it's going to cost those store clerks

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<v Speaker 1>or the business owners extra money, money that they probably

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't afford or stay to stay open in many cases.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so messed up though, how everything is regarding money, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think it it comes to people's safety.

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<v Speaker 1>The world revolves around it, and they say money is

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<v Speaker 1>the root of all evil, and it makes sense it

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<v Speaker 1>does now. For hours, no one realized anything was wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>Some customers who came in during the afternoon even didn't

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<v Speaker 1>see an employee year round and swipe some shoes off

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<v Speaker 1>the shelves, unaware that Robin was actually lying dead just

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<v Speaker 2>Shit.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't until around two twenty one pm that help

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<v Speaker 1>finally arrived. A worker from the neighboring Speedway gas station

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<v Speaker 1>entered the Paylass to check after one store manager couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>reach Robin by phone. Finding the shop empty in the

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<v Speaker 1>cash registered drawer hanging open, the employee quickly called the police.

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<v Speaker 1>When officers arrived, they did a sweep of the store,

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<v Speaker 1>and they discovered Robin's body in the storage room. She's

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<v Speaker 1>there dead. The scene was chilling, and at first the

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<v Speaker 1>investigators assumed it was a robbery gone wrong, a tragic

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<v Speaker 1>but not unheard of type event. No one suspected that

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<v Speaker 1>they were looking at the first victim in a much

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<v Speaker 1>the killer struck again, but this time there were two

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<v Speaker 1>That Saturday evening, thirty two year old Patricia Majors, the

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<v Speaker 1>One of the women let him inside, but he wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>back of their heads. Like Indianapolis, the cast register was emptied,

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<v Speaker 1>but only a small amount of money was missing. The

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<v Speaker 1>twist of fate. The real customer arrived to pick up

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<v Speaker 1>that cumber Bund. I think, I said Cumberland. At first

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, here I was wondering, did he like set this

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<v Speaker 1>But no, no, now, According to his statement, the man

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<v Speaker 1>entered the store and was immediately confronted by the gunman inside.

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<v Speaker 1>The killer tried to force him into the back room

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<v Speaker 1>as well, likely to execute him along with two women,

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<v Speaker 1>but the customer refused and bolted instead, fleeing the parking

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<v Speaker 1>police immediately, though, he was overwhelmed and confused, but eventually

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<v Speaker 1>made an anonymous call. About an hour later. Police arrived

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<v Speaker 1>and they found the store keys still dangling in the

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<v Speaker 1>and Patricia Smith were found shot. Patricia Majors was found

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<v Speaker 1>pronounced dead at the scene, but Patricia Smith, however, was

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<v Speaker 2>Here, I was like, oh my gosh, does she live?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>This fucker though, Like, is he doing this? I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure we'll kind of find out or if he's

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<v Speaker 2>doing numerous is he doing it for the killings or

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<v Speaker 2>the money because he's getting pennies basically for these people's lives.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, correct, So.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's definitely probably more than just for the money,

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<v Speaker 2>because that is some sort of asshole that think someone's

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<v Speaker 1>We'll definitely talk about that, So don't worry, kay. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>For the first time though, this is important, investigators had

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<v Speaker 1>a living witness the man who stumbled into the attacker right,

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<v Speaker 1>and with his help they were able to create a

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<v Speaker 1>composite sketch of the suspect. The man was described as

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<v Speaker 1>a white male, approximately five to seven, around one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and fifty pounds, short, dull red hair combed forward, slight

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<v Speaker 1>stubble on his face, with a brown jacket and dark pants.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, he got a real good look at him, he did.

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<v Speaker 1>Now there would be a sketch that was made, and

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<v Speaker 1>it would become the face of the investigation in the

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<v Speaker 1>months to come. Ballistics tests also quickly confirmed what some

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<v Speaker 1>detectives already feared. The gun used to kill both Patricia's

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<v Speaker 1>match the one that ended Robin's life just days earlier.

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<v Speaker 1>As well. It was now official a serial killer was

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<v Speaker 1>on the loose, and he was far from done. After

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<v Speaker 1>pattern seemed clear until the killer made an unexpected move.

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<v Speaker 1>On April twenty seventh, nineteen ninety two, more than two

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<v Speaker 1>weeks after the Wichita double homicide, the I seventy killers

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<v Speaker 1>struck again, but this time the victim was a male.

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<v Speaker 1>Michael McCown age forty, was working alone at Sylvia's Ceramics.

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<v Speaker 1>His mother's small ceramic shop located at two six one

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<v Speaker 1>five South third Street in Terry Hout, Indiana, just off

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<v Speaker 1>Interstate seventy. Michael wasn't originally supposed to work that day,

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<v Speaker 1>a pattern the killer seemed to exploit again and again,

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<v Speaker 1>but had decided to come in after a chiropractor appointment

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<v Speaker 1>earlier that morning. At around four PM, a customer entered

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<v Speaker 1>the store and made a horrifying discovery. Michael was lying

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<v Speaker 1>just inside the front area, dead from a gunshot wound

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<v Speaker 1>to the back of the head. Police determined that the

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<v Speaker 1>attack had been sudden and close range. Evidence suggested that

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<v Speaker 1>Michael had been stalking shelves, possibly retrieving a small ceramic

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<v Speaker 1>house for a customer, when the killer crept up behind

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<v Speaker 1>him and pulled the trigger. Gunpowder stippling from around the

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<v Speaker 1>wound indicated that the pistol had been fired from less

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<v Speaker 1>than four inches away, nearly contacting him when the shot

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<v Speaker 2>That's crazy, and he wouldn't have even known what was coming.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think no, probably not, uh huh.

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<v Speaker 2>Just doing his job and then someone just walks in

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<v Speaker 2>and boom.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, brig Unlike the previous murders, the cast register wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>touched this time, Approximately fifty dollars remained inside there, and

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<v Speaker 1>Michael's personal money about fifteen bucks, was still in his pocket,

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<v Speaker 1>only his wallet was missing. This presented a puzzle for

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<v Speaker 1>the investigators. Was the I seventy killer changing his behavior

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<v Speaker 1>or had Michael simply not been the intended target. Some

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<v Speaker 1>theorized that Michael, who had long brown hair and wore

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<v Speaker 1>a small earring, might have been mistaken for a woman

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<v Speaker 1>from behind the store's name, Sylvia Ceramics, could have reinforced

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<v Speaker 1>a false assumption potentially. However, family members later clarified that

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<v Speaker 1>at the time of his death, Michael had cut his

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<v Speaker 1>be confused for a female employee, especially at close range.

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<v Speaker 1>When the killer attacked right right now. I mean there

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<v Speaker 1>is a whole thing around gender and identity. But so

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking assuming someone's gender from behind. Did the killer

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<v Speaker 1>do that? Get it wrong? The family doesn't think so, okay. Additionally,

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<v Speaker 1>given the killer's usual method of leading victims to the

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<v Speaker 1>That that's the word I was looking for. There you go.

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<v Speaker 1>He was attacked at the shop floor, right out front,

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<v Speaker 1>right without any effort to isolate him.

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<v Speaker 2>When people would find him instantly when they came in exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>It raised disturbing new possibilities about the killer's mindset. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>he was less picky than initially believed. Maybe it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>about gender at all, but about control, vulnerability, and opportunity.

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<v Speaker 1>Either way, by the time Michael's body was found, the

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<v Speaker 1>killer was already gone, disappearing once again into the open

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<v Speaker 1>roads of the Midwest. The next killing came just days later,

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<v Speaker 1>and once again the victim was a young woman who

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<v Speaker 1>hadn't originally been scheduled to work that day. On May third,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety two, Nancy Kitts Miller, a twenty four year

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<v Speaker 1>old college graduate, was managing the boot Village store at

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<v Speaker 1>the Boya Hills Plaza in Saint Charles, Missouri, a busy

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<v Speaker 1>shopping center located just off Interstate seventy. Nancy was bright, energetic,

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<v Speaker 1>with big plans in her life. She had recently graduated

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<v Speaker 1>with a degree in geography from Oklahoma State University and

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<v Speaker 1>had just accepted a job offer at the Defense Mapping

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<v Speaker 1>Agency in Saint Louis. Her new career was only a

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<v Speaker 1>few weeks away, but on that Sunday afternoon, she was

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<v Speaker 1>Nancy opened the store around noon, and by two thirty pm,

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<v Speaker 1>several shoppers had seen her helping a customer, a man

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<v Speaker 1>matching the earlier composite description, white male, medium height, slender bill,

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<v Speaker 1>dull or light brown hair, and minutes later, new customers

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<v Speaker 1>entered the shop, only to find it eerily empty. When

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<v Speaker 1>they've entered into the back office, they made a chilling discovery.

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<v Speaker 1>Nancy was dead shot, execution style in the back of

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<v Speaker 2>Man, this guy is just on a freakin' rampage here.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Now. Once again, only a small amount of cash

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<v Speaker 1>was missing from the register. Nancy's purse, sitting close by,

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<v Speaker 1>was untouched. There's no sign of a struggle, no indication

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<v Speaker 1>that she had fought back. Witnesses helped refine the composite

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<v Speaker 1>sketch even further, reinforcing earlier details, giving police more confidence

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<v Speaker 1>that the same man was responsible for the string of murders. Still,

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<v Speaker 1>despite multiple witnesses and a growing public awareness, the killer

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<v Speaker 1>once again just slipped away without a trace, blending back

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<v Speaker 1>On May seventh, nineteen ninety two, just four days after

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<v Speaker 1>Nancy Kitzmiller's murder, the I seventy killer struck again for

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<v Speaker 1>what would become the last confirmed time along the interstate.

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<v Speaker 1>The target this time was Sarah Blessing, a thirty four

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<v Speaker 1>year old shop owner in Raytown, Missouri, a suburb just

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<v Speaker 1>business called Store of Many Colors, located in Woodson Village

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<v Speaker 1>shopping center, about two miles from the interstate. Her shop

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<v Speaker 1>was quiet new age boutique and sold herbal remedies, crystals,

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<v Speaker 1>Tim Hickman, who owned a neighboring video rental store, noticed

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<v Speaker 1>an unfamiliar man loitering around the shop center. The men

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<v Speaker 1>seemed slightly at a place, wearing a gray sports coat,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was too heavy for that warm spring day.

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<v Speaker 1>He was also seen peering into Hickman's front store window

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<v Speaker 1>before eventually walking next door to Sarah's shop. Moments later,

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<v Speaker 1>Hickman heard a sharp pomping noise, a sound that he

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<v Speaker 1>the store of many colors rounding the corner of the

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<v Speaker 1>building without hurrying. The stranger walked across the parking lot,

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<v Speaker 1>climbed an embankment, and disappeared into the neighborhood streets, heading

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<v Speaker 1>roughly towards Interstate seventy. When Hickman entered Sarah's shop, he

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<v Speaker 1>found a terrible scene. Sarah was lying face down at

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<v Speaker 1>wound to the head. Like the other victims, she appeared

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<v Speaker 1>Small amount of cass was missing from the register, but

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<v Speaker 1>valuables and other money remained untouched. Hickman's eyewitness account helped

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<v Speaker 1>police refine their composite sketch yet again even further. Additional

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<v Speaker 1>witnesses also reported seeing a man matching the same general

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<v Speaker 1>reinforcing the pattern investigators had begun to build. With Sarah's death,

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<v Speaker 1>the Midwest bree came to a chilling pause. Over the

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<v Speaker 1>course of just one month, from April eighth to May seventh,

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen ninety two, the I seventy killer had murdered

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<v Speaker 1>six people across three states. Each victim was shot in

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<v Speaker 1>Police departments across Indiana, Kansas, and Missouri scrambled to coordinate

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<v Speaker 1>their investigation. Forensic ballistics confirmed the same gun had been

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<v Speaker 1>serial killer stocking the I seventy corridor, but despite increased security,

418
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<v Speaker 1>public warnings, and heavy media coverage, the killer seemed to

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<v Speaker 1>vanish without any sort of trace, just as quickly as

420
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<v Speaker 1>he appeared. Now By the time Sarah Blessing's murder shocked

421
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<v Speaker 1>the small town of Raytown, Missouri, investigators had already realized

422
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<v Speaker 1>that the killings were not random acts of violence. A

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<v Speaker 1>clear and chilling pattern was starting to emerge, one that

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<v Speaker 1>stretched across hundreds of miles in connecting the six innocent

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<v Speaker 1>victims to a single, unknown predator. The first thing detective

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<v Speaker 1>noticed was the similarity between the victims. Five out of

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<v Speaker 1>six were young women, typically with their in their early

428
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<v Speaker 1>twenties or the early thirties, with dark hair and petite builds.

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<v Speaker 1>There were employees of small specialty shops, shoe stores, ceramic shops,

430
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<v Speaker 1>bridal boutiques, the kind of businesses that usually only staff

431
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<v Speaker 1>one worker at a time. The sole male victim, Michael McCown,

432
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<v Speaker 1>initially puzzled investigators. In some theorized he was mistaken for

433
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<v Speaker 1>a woman, as I mentioned earlier, especially given the store's name,

434
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<v Speaker 1>Sylvia's Ceramics, and reported it. Reports that he had even

435
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<v Speaker 1>worn an earring which helped reinforce that also the potential

436
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<v Speaker 1>long hair, But I digress. However, family members confirmed you

437
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<v Speaker 1>know the short one, short hair right. What remained, though consistent,

438
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<v Speaker 1>was every victim was working alone at a shop located

439
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<v Speaker 1>just off these highway entrances. In every case, the killer

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<v Speaker 1>used that same twenty two caliber semi automatic pistol to

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<v Speaker 1>execute his victims with a shot to the back of

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<v Speaker 1>the head. There was no prolonged violence, no clear sign

443
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<v Speaker 1>of any sort of struggle, and no meaningful theft. Only

444
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<v Speaker 1>small amounts of petty cash really, or few hundred dollars

445
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<v Speaker 1>at most purses, wallets, large valuables were often left behind,

446
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<v Speaker 1>while the money was generally only ever taken from the registers.

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<v Speaker 1>Witnesses who had spotted the suspect before the murders described

448
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<v Speaker 1>him in similar ways, a white male of average build, thin,

449
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<v Speaker 1>dull or red light brown hair, often stubbled or slightly unkept.

450
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<v Speaker 1>On two occasions, people observed him loitering around shopping classes,

451
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<v Speaker 1>talking and laughing to himself, behavior that at the time

452
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<v Speaker 1>seemed odd but harmless. Man hindsight, of course, suggested something

453
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<v Speaker 1>much darker. Man, either mentally and well, or so detached

454
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<v Speaker 1>from reality that he could carry out murders in broad

455
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<v Speaker 1>daylight without any sign of panic and in fact just

456
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<v Speaker 1>laughed about it instead.

457
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<v Speaker 2>I was honestly just thinking that, how he's just doing

458
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<v Speaker 2>this literally and like during the day when people are around.

459
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<v Speaker 2>He's not hiding shit at all.

460
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<v Speaker 1>No, he's not.

461
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<v Speaker 2>He just is just going in doing his thing and

462
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<v Speaker 2>leaving like it's no big deal. Yeah, which is wild. Now.

463
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<v Speaker 1>I did mention the ballistics test done on the bullets,

464
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<v Speaker 1>confirming that the same weapon was fired on each of

465
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<v Speaker 1>the six crimes, linking them together beyond any reason of doubt.

466
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<v Speaker 1>Right now, on each of these bullet casings. The ballistics

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<v Speaker 1>tests also found traces of corundum and roote, materials commonly

468
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<v Speaker 1>used in metal polishing and industrial grinding, so basically polishing

469
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<v Speaker 1>type compound. Okay. So this discovery hinted at two possibilities.

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<v Speaker 1>Either the killer worked in an industrial environment where those

471
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<v Speaker 1>materials were present, okay, or he was a gun hobbyist

472
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<v Speaker 1>who modified and maintained his own weapon. Okay.

473
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<v Speaker 2>Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>Either way, one thing became clear. Robbery wasn't the real motive.

475
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<v Speaker 1>The thefts were likely a smoke screen, a way to

476
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<v Speaker 1>make the crime seem like an ordinary stick up for

477
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<v Speaker 1>some cash. Okay.

478
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<v Speaker 2>So the cash or money didn't even matter at.

479
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<v Speaker 1>All, didn't seem like it. No, it was all about

480
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<v Speaker 1>the killings. Yes, I mean there was cash left over it,

481
00:27:34.640 --> 00:27:37.079
<v Speaker 1>many of them. They are different things. Sure he was

482
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<v Speaker 1>using the cash, I mean, why wouldn't he, But it

483
00:27:39.160 --> 00:27:42.839
<v Speaker 1>wasn't the motive. You know, gosh that.

484
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<v Speaker 2>But when you hear about serial killers and stuff, lots

485
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<v Speaker 2>of times it's more drawn out killings, right, So this

486
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<v Speaker 2>just like going in and boom doing it and leaving

487
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<v Speaker 2>it just seems like off to me a little bit.

488
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<v Speaker 1>It's different. It's very different. You're right, because usually they

489
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<v Speaker 1>get the call saud of the torture, the power dynamic,

490
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<v Speaker 1>you know.

491
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<v Speaker 2>Making wearing the out of people and stuff.

492
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, making them beg or you know, tying them up

493
00:28:10.480 --> 00:28:13.079
<v Speaker 1>or capturing them, like you say, torturing them whatever it

494
00:28:13.160 --> 00:28:16.400
<v Speaker 1>is that having the power over someone. This is just

495
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<v Speaker 1>you're done. Yeah, without them even knowing.

496
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<v Speaker 2>Well, the one guy, yeah, I didn't even know. Yeah,

497
00:28:21.880 --> 00:28:24.319
<v Speaker 2>he was just like grabbing something from a freaking shelf

498
00:28:24.359 --> 00:28:26.640
<v Speaker 2>and just gone exactly.

499
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<v Speaker 1>So what the uh the thought behind that is? I

500
00:28:32.839 --> 00:28:35.880
<v Speaker 1>have no clue. Yeah, because it's so different. It is

501
00:28:37.319 --> 00:28:40.119
<v Speaker 1>so The spree along Interstate seventy revealed a killer who

502
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<v Speaker 1>was methodical, confident, and dangerously mobile, and, as investigators would

503
00:28:45.039 --> 00:28:49.079
<v Speaker 1>soon discover, he might not have stopped with these Midwest killings.

504
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<v Speaker 1>This may not have been the end.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, shit, I just remember something you said from

506
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<v Speaker 2>the freaking intro. This shit isn't solved. I'm pissed now

507
00:28:58.200 --> 00:29:00.880
<v Speaker 2>because I'm just sitting here waiting to get the full

508
00:29:00.920 --> 00:29:03.279
<v Speaker 2>story in the solved and shit and it's not coming.

509
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<v Speaker 1>So I'm like, this is unsolved. Correct? I said it

510
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<v Speaker 1>at the intro? You did, and I.

511
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<v Speaker 2>Forgot I was just assuming this was solved and this

512
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<v Speaker 2>motherfucker was caught.

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<v Speaker 1>No, if you're this far in and you two are

514
00:29:14.920 --> 00:29:17.160
<v Speaker 1>just discovering that it's unsolved, I did tell you at

515
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<v Speaker 1>the intro. We didn't rediscuss it at the beginning, but

516
00:29:20.039 --> 00:29:23.839
<v Speaker 1>in the intro I did say it's unsolved brutal. So

517
00:29:23.920 --> 00:29:26.720
<v Speaker 1>what investigators figured out, though, was that this may not

518
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<v Speaker 1>have been the end. He may have just moved on

519
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<v Speaker 1>to a different area.

520
00:29:31.119 --> 00:29:31.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>See, after the murder of Sarah Blessing in May of

522
00:29:33.920 --> 00:29:37.839
<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety two, the killings along Interstates seventy they appeared

523
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<v Speaker 1>to stop. For a while. It seemed like the I

524
00:29:40.279 --> 00:29:43.279
<v Speaker 1>seventy killer had simply vanished into the endless web of highways.

525
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<v Speaker 1>But then about a year later, and about several hundred

526
00:29:47.400 --> 00:29:52.839
<v Speaker 1>miles south, new murders began, one that took early similar

527
00:29:54.440 --> 00:29:57.680
<v Speaker 1>feels with it. In the fall of nineteen ninety three,

528
00:29:57.880 --> 00:30:02.000
<v Speaker 1>authorities in Texas faced a string of settling cases. Once again,

529
00:30:02.079 --> 00:30:05.480
<v Speaker 1>the victims were women working along small shops located near

530
00:30:05.519 --> 00:30:09.960
<v Speaker 1>major interstates. Once again, the murders involved execution style shootings,

531
00:30:10.160 --> 00:30:13.839
<v Speaker 1>and once again the cash stolen was minimal, suggesting robbery

532
00:30:13.920 --> 00:30:18.119
<v Speaker 1>wasn't the real motive for the first of these Texas cases.

533
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<v Speaker 1>It occurred in September. On the twenty fifth in nineteen

534
00:30:22.440 --> 00:30:26.759
<v Speaker 1>ninety three, in Fort Worth, Mary Anne Glasgock, a fifty

535
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<v Speaker 1>one year old woman, was found dead inside her antique store,

536
00:30:29.960 --> 00:30:35.039
<v Speaker 1>Emporium Antiques, near the I thirty interstate, not far from

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<v Speaker 1>where the busy I thirty five corridor is. She'd been

538
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<v Speaker 1>shot in the head. Her pants were found partially removed,

539
00:30:42.279 --> 00:30:44.160
<v Speaker 1>and while a small amount of money was taken, it

540
00:30:44.200 --> 00:30:47.160
<v Speaker 1>was clear that the crime was not just about theft.

541
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<v Speaker 1>A few weeks later, on November one, nineteen ninety three,

542
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<v Speaker 1>twenty two year old Amy Vess was working the evening

543
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<v Speaker 1>shift at Dancer's Closet, a dance work store in Arlington, Texas.

544
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<v Speaker 1>Like the victims in the Midwest, she wasn't supposed to

545
00:31:00.920 --> 00:31:03.279
<v Speaker 1>be working that night. She'd been called in to cover

546
00:31:03.400 --> 00:31:07.039
<v Speaker 1>for someone else. At some point between six fifteen and

547
00:31:07.039 --> 00:31:08.960
<v Speaker 1>six point thirty, a man entered the store. It led

548
00:31:09.000 --> 00:31:11.920
<v Speaker 1>Amy to the back room, and there shot her twice,

549
00:31:12.400 --> 00:31:14.039
<v Speaker 1>once in the neck and once in the back of

550
00:31:14.079 --> 00:31:17.359
<v Speaker 1>the head. Amy was somehow able to call nine one

551
00:31:17.480 --> 00:31:20.559
<v Speaker 1>one after being shot, but she tragically slipped into a

552
00:31:20.599 --> 00:31:23.960
<v Speaker 1>coma and died the next day. Holy. The fact that

553
00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:27.759
<v Speaker 1>she was able to call is unreal. Yeah. Then on

554
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<v Speaker 1>January fifteenth, nineteen ninety four, another attack occurred, but this

555
00:31:31.599 --> 00:31:35.359
<v Speaker 1>time the victim survived. Vicki Webb, a thirty five year

556
00:31:35.359 --> 00:31:38.519
<v Speaker 1>old woman working at Alternatives gift shop in Houston, had

557
00:31:38.599 --> 00:31:41.279
<v Speaker 1>just opened her store for the day when a man entered.

558
00:31:41.799 --> 00:31:44.480
<v Speaker 1>They spoke casually for a while before he asked her

559
00:31:44.519 --> 00:31:47.319
<v Speaker 1>to retrieve a small picture frame. As she turned to

560
00:31:47.359 --> 00:31:49.079
<v Speaker 1>help him, the man shot her in the back of

561
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<v Speaker 1>the neck. Miraculously, Vicki didn't die. Though initially paralyzed, she

562
00:31:54.839 --> 00:31:57.799
<v Speaker 1>survived by pretending to be dead as the attacker rifled

563
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<v Speaker 1>through the cash register. When he returned, he attempted to

564
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<v Speaker 1>fire a second shot into her head, but the gun misfired.

565
00:32:05.720 --> 00:32:08.960
<v Speaker 1>Whoa startled by the noises from a neighboring business, the

566
00:32:09.000 --> 00:32:10.400
<v Speaker 1>man fled the scene.

567
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<v Speaker 2>Wow, okay, And the fact that she I don't know,

568
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<v Speaker 2>I can't imagine getting shot. That would be unbelievably painful,

569
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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure, And then having the wits about you to

570
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<v Speaker 2>just pretend like that did get in That's well, this

571
00:32:25.440 --> 00:32:28.559
<v Speaker 2>guy is still in your shop like in your cash

572
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<v Speaker 2>register and stuff.

573
00:32:29.839 --> 00:32:34.079
<v Speaker 1>Exactly so, not only because she survived, but because of that,

574
00:32:34.240 --> 00:32:36.680
<v Speaker 1>Vicky is one hundred and ten percent or badass no

575
00:32:36.759 --> 00:32:40.519
<v Speaker 1>today hitting now. VICKI would later identify her shooter from

576
00:32:40.519 --> 00:32:44.000
<v Speaker 1>a police sketch, and chillingly, she pointed to the composite

577
00:32:44.119 --> 00:32:48.000
<v Speaker 1>created for the I seventy killer, saying, that's the guy.

578
00:32:48.440 --> 00:32:52.880
<v Speaker 1>That's him. Despite this, Texas authorities hesitated to officially link

579
00:32:52.920 --> 00:32:57.079
<v Speaker 1>the cases. The main reason ballistic evidence suggested the weapon

580
00:32:57.160 --> 00:32:59.759
<v Speaker 1>used in the Texas killings was different from the gun

581
00:32:59.799 --> 00:33:03.039
<v Speaker 1>you in the nineteen ninety two spree. Now, some investigators

582
00:33:03.119 --> 00:33:05.680
<v Speaker 1>argue that the killer could have simply switched guns, knowing

583
00:33:05.720 --> 00:33:08.279
<v Speaker 1>that the police had already publicized details about his previous

584
00:33:08.279 --> 00:33:13.799
<v Speaker 1>weapon totally. Others pointed to a significant similarities in victims' profile, methods, behaviors, etc.

585
00:33:14.279 --> 00:33:17.920
<v Speaker 1>Saying that it was was it the same man? A

586
00:33:17.960 --> 00:33:21.359
<v Speaker 1>few detectives believed it was almost certainly the same, while

587
00:33:21.359 --> 00:33:23.000
<v Speaker 1>others remained unconvinced.

588
00:33:23.519 --> 00:33:25.200
<v Speaker 2>What kind of makes sense to me that it is

589
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<v Speaker 2>the same. I agree, because I can't imagine that guy

590
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<v Speaker 2>would just stop.

591
00:33:29.200 --> 00:33:30.480
<v Speaker 1>Oh right right?

592
00:33:30.519 --> 00:33:34.839
<v Speaker 2>And these are very similar and they're quite odd too.

593
00:33:35.359 --> 00:33:38.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, definitely, So, I mean, who's to say that. Yeah,

594
00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:40.440
<v Speaker 1>maybe he just got rid of that gun and got

595
00:33:40.480 --> 00:33:43.119
<v Speaker 1>a new one, right, Maybe he was in a situation

596
00:33:43.160 --> 00:33:45.640
<v Speaker 1>where like maybe he's coming up and there's some police ahead,

597
00:33:45.640 --> 00:33:47.839
<v Speaker 1>and he just quickly chucked it in the river, got

598
00:33:47.880 --> 00:33:50.480
<v Speaker 1>through the police block or whatever he needed to do,

599
00:33:50.640 --> 00:33:52.240
<v Speaker 1>and then went and purchased a new one later.

600
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<v Speaker 2>Well, and especially too, if he's into guns, because I

601
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<v Speaker 2>think one of the things he was saying he could

602
00:33:57.920 --> 00:34:01.839
<v Speaker 2>be like a gun connoisseur or something. Yeah, then it

603
00:34:01.880 --> 00:34:02.920
<v Speaker 2>makes sense that he would.

604
00:34:02.799 --> 00:34:04.920
<v Speaker 1>Have different ones too, exactly.

605
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<v Speaker 2>And he's not doing I feel like he's not I

606
00:34:08.519 --> 00:34:11.880
<v Speaker 2>don't this is terrible wording, but not doing as good

607
00:34:11.880 --> 00:34:15.880
<v Speaker 2>of a job with these ones, where like he's shooting them,

608
00:34:16.119 --> 00:34:18.199
<v Speaker 2>they're not going right in the head. So he's getting

609
00:34:18.280 --> 00:34:21.199
<v Speaker 2>s neck and this one's only the neck and she

610
00:34:21.239 --> 00:34:22.480
<v Speaker 2>doesn't even die and stuff.

611
00:34:22.559 --> 00:34:25.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's getting sloppyest what you mean, right, Yeah? Yeah, Okay, No,

612
00:34:25.920 --> 00:34:29.079
<v Speaker 1>I agree, you're right. Regardless for the families of the

613
00:34:29.119 --> 00:34:31.960
<v Speaker 1>Texas victims and for the loan survivor, Vicky Webb, the

614
00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:35.039
<v Speaker 1>similarities they were too strong to ignore. A man had

615
00:34:35.039 --> 00:34:38.519
<v Speaker 1>been traveling the highways, targeting women in vulnerable places, moving

616
00:34:38.519 --> 00:34:41.440
<v Speaker 1>from city to city like a ghost, and whoever he was,

617
00:34:41.719 --> 00:34:44.000
<v Speaker 1>he had managed to keep himself hidden from law enforcement

618
00:34:44.000 --> 00:34:47.880
<v Speaker 1>for more than a year. For decades, law enforcement and

619
00:34:47.920 --> 00:34:51.119
<v Speaker 1>amateur sleuths alike have combed through leads looking for the

620
00:34:51.159 --> 00:34:55.400
<v Speaker 1>man who terrorized small towns shops along the interstates. Over

621
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<v Speaker 1>the years, a handful of names have risen to the surface,

622
00:34:58.559 --> 00:35:03.119
<v Speaker 1>some briefly, others with chilling credibility. Yet no suspect has

623
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<v Speaker 1>ever been formally charged in the I seventy murders. One

624
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<v Speaker 1>of the earliest serious leads came in nineteen ninety two,

625
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<v Speaker 1>when authorities arrested a man by the name of Donald

626
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<v Speaker 1>Waterhouse in Ponca City, Oklahoma. Waterhouse had murdered his own

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<v Speaker 1>mother and stepfather that February, shooting them both in the

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<v Speaker 1>head with a twenty two caliber weapon at grim parallel

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<v Speaker 1>to the I seventy killers method. Adding to suspicion, Waterhouse abandoned.

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<v Speaker 1>His abandoned vehicle was found near East Saint Louis, not

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<v Speaker 1>far from Interstate seventy. At first, it seemed like a

632
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<v Speaker 1>major break in the case. Ballistic tests in Waterhouse's background

633
00:35:40.199 --> 00:35:45.760
<v Speaker 1>gave investigators hope, but over time inconsistencies emerged. By that summer,

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<v Speaker 1>authorities announced that Waterhouse was no longer considered a viable suspect.

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<v Speaker 1>He was, however, sentenced to fifty years in prison for

636
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<v Speaker 1>the murder of his family, but the link to the

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<v Speaker 1>I seventy killings fell apart. Sorry, what exactly was the link?

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<v Speaker 2>Was it that he just had shot them.

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<v Speaker 1>In the head? The killing was similar? Yes? Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I feel like, I don't know, if you're

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<v Speaker 2>going to shoot your family, which is just horrible, that

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<v Speaker 2>would kind of be the way that someone would think

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<v Speaker 2>to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's hard to say. It depends on the situation, right,

645
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<v Speaker 1>was this a rage killing? Did he want to see

646
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<v Speaker 1>their eyes? Did he do it in their sleep?

647
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<v Speaker 2>Like?

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<v Speaker 1>Was he a bit more of a coward and he

649
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<v Speaker 1>couldn't like face them and yeah, when they're sleeping. It

650
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<v Speaker 1>all depends on the profile of the perpetrator. But he

651
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<v Speaker 1>did shoot them in the head with a twenty two

652
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<v Speaker 1>caliber weapon, okay? And then his car was found abandoned

653
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<v Speaker 1>not far from the I seventy.

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<v Speaker 2>Did he look like the guy?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I'm not too sure. I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 1>It's hard to say yeah. Now, another name surfaced in

657
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<v Speaker 1>the mid nineteen nineties, Robert Craig Cox. Now Robert was

658
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<v Speaker 1>a former former Army ranger, and he had a criminal

659
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<v Speaker 1>history that made him a compelling suspect. In nineteen eighty eight,

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<v Speaker 1>he was convicted of aggravated assault on kidnapping in California.

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<v Speaker 1>He was also considered a prime suspect in the nineteen

662
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<v Speaker 1>seventy eight murder of a disney worker in Florida, although

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<v Speaker 1>that connection was later overturned. Now, at the time of

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<v Speaker 1>the I seventy murders, Robert was living in Springfield, Missouri,

665
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<v Speaker 1>not far from several of the murder scenes. He was

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<v Speaker 1>even suspected of in the disappearance of three women in

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<v Speaker 1>Springfield in nineteen ninety two. Yet, despite the circumstantial ties,

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<v Speaker 1>no concrete evidence ever linked Robert to the I seventy killings,

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<v Speaker 1>and he has consistently denied any involvement. Now, perhaps one

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<v Speaker 1>of the most chilling possible connections, though, is a man

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<v Speaker 1>by the name of Herb Baucemeister Bowmeister. There we go, Bowmeister,

672
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<v Speaker 1>the notorious Fox Hollow farm killer. Now, Herb was a

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<v Speaker 1>successful Indianapolis businessman with a respectable family life on the surface.

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<v Speaker 1>Behind closed doors, however, he was a predator who targeted

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<v Speaker 1>young men, many of whom were found buried on his

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<v Speaker 1>property after his death. Now police have considered Herb a

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<v Speaker 1>possible match for the I seventy killer based on several factors.

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<v Speaker 1>He lived in Indianapolis during the time of the murders.

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<v Speaker 1>He matched the physical description with the average height, the

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<v Speaker 1>red tinted hair, the slight build. He even had extensive

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<v Speaker 1>experience cruising highways and public spaces for his victims. Some

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<v Speaker 1>investigators even believe that Herb could be linked to the

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<v Speaker 1>I seventy Strangler, a different case entirely, which was a

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<v Speaker 1>series of murders involving young men found along the interstate

685
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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen eighties. So this is the I seventy killer,

686
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<v Speaker 1>that's the I seventy strangler. However, the victim profiles don't

687
00:38:40.000 --> 00:38:43.360
<v Speaker 1>line up perfectly. Herb primarily targeted young men, while the

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<v Speaker 1>I seventy killer prayed almost exclusively on women. Now, Herb

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<v Speaker 1>died of suicide in nineteen ninety six, leaving behind a

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00:38:51.719 --> 00:38:55.400
<v Speaker 1>vague and apologetic note but no direct confession to any

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00:38:55.400 --> 00:38:59.800
<v Speaker 1>sort of murders. Other theories Sworld II. Some investigators have

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<v Speaker 1>sped sculated that the I seventy killer may have had

693
00:39:02.239 --> 00:39:06.440
<v Speaker 1>military ties, explaining his ability to move quickly across multiple states.

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00:39:07.119 --> 00:39:10.079
<v Speaker 1>Others suggest he might have been a traveling salesman, a

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00:39:10.119 --> 00:39:13.559
<v Speaker 1>truck driver, or a construction worker, jobs that offered easy

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00:39:13.599 --> 00:39:16.960
<v Speaker 1>access to interstates and freedom to vanish each time after

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00:39:17.000 --> 00:39:19.880
<v Speaker 1>a crime occurred. There's even a theory that the killer

698
00:39:19.920 --> 00:39:23.760
<v Speaker 1>parked in nearby residential neighborhoods and walked to his targets,

699
00:39:24.039 --> 00:39:27.199
<v Speaker 1>keeping his vehicle out of sight to avoid witnesses and

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00:39:27.239 --> 00:39:31.400
<v Speaker 1>security cameras. When it comes to the I seventy killer,

701
00:39:31.800 --> 00:39:36.480
<v Speaker 1>hard physical evidence has always been frustratingly scarce. Yet the

702
00:39:36.519 --> 00:39:41.719
<v Speaker 1>few forensic breadcrumbs that did leave behind any help. It's

703
00:39:41.800 --> 00:39:44.360
<v Speaker 1>really hard to really do anything, though it is still

704
00:39:44.400 --> 00:39:48.000
<v Speaker 1>relied on today. At the heart of the case is

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00:39:48.079 --> 00:39:52.280
<v Speaker 1>that twenty two caliber semi automatic pistol. The tests, as

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<v Speaker 1>I mentioned, confirmed that they were all used in the

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00:39:55.599 --> 00:40:00.519
<v Speaker 1>I seventy killings, connecting the same weapon. The ammunition recovered

708
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<v Speaker 1>was Cci brand twenty two caliber long rifle rounds common

709
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<v Speaker 1>and very easy to obtain, which made tracing them almost impossible,

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<v Speaker 1>but there was something odd about the bullets themselves, as

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<v Speaker 1>I mentioned. On multiple shell casings, investigators found traces of

712
00:40:16.480 --> 00:40:23.800
<v Speaker 1>that abrasive material corundum and rogue roge sorryish and like

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00:40:23.840 --> 00:40:28.440
<v Speaker 1>a polishing compound. Both substances are typically used in industrial

714
00:40:28.480 --> 00:40:31.960
<v Speaker 1>grinding and metalwork, but also known to be used by

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00:40:32.079 --> 00:40:36.159
<v Speaker 1>gun enthusiasts who modify and maintain their firearms. See. This

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<v Speaker 1>led to the theories about something called fire lapping, a

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00:40:40.039 --> 00:40:44.119
<v Speaker 1>process where bullets are coated with this with unabrasive and

718
00:40:44.159 --> 00:40:48.440
<v Speaker 1>are fired through the barrel to clean or slightly alter

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00:40:48.800 --> 00:40:52.840
<v Speaker 1>the rifling of the firearm. It's a technique used by

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<v Speaker 1>hobbyists looking to tweak the performance of their guns. If

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00:40:56.360 --> 00:40:59.440
<v Speaker 1>the killer was that knowledgeable about firearms, it pointed to

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<v Speaker 1>someone methodical, someone who took pride in preparation. Even investigators

723
00:41:05.800 --> 00:41:10.440
<v Speaker 1>eventually narrowed down the possible weapon models of two unusual guns,

724
00:41:11.039 --> 00:41:14.920
<v Speaker 1>so it could possibly be the Introtex Scorpion or the

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00:41:14.960 --> 00:41:20.000
<v Speaker 1>Irma work Et twenty two. Both were rare and distinctive,

726
00:41:20.360 --> 00:41:24.360
<v Speaker 1>particularly the Irma, a German made collector's piece modeled after

727
00:41:24.400 --> 00:41:27.719
<v Speaker 1>the historic World War One side arm. It wasn't the

728
00:41:27.760 --> 00:41:30.920
<v Speaker 1>kind of weapon an average street criminal would carry this

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00:41:31.000 --> 00:41:33.559
<v Speaker 1>reinforce the growing belief that the I seventy killer was

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<v Speaker 1>not a petty robber but some something more far calculating

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<v Speaker 1>and as you mentioned, you know, having someone who's like

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<v Speaker 1>a connoisseur of guns, almost like a collector even. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but still this idea only gives a potential glimpse into

734
00:41:48.079 --> 00:41:50.840
<v Speaker 1>the mind of the killer and not exactly who they were.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's frustrating to say that the police needed more

736
00:41:53.639 --> 00:41:58.280
<v Speaker 1>than that. Yeah, they sure did. Now. Originally, when the

737
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<v Speaker 1>I seventy killer first struck in nineteenninety two, law enforcement

738
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<v Speaker 1>agencies across Indiana, Kansas, and Missouri moved quickly to respond.

739
00:42:05.480 --> 00:42:09.760
<v Speaker 1>Task force They were formed almost overnight in hopes of

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<v Speaker 1>finding the culprit. Local police departments, state authorities, and the

741
00:42:13.880 --> 00:42:17.400
<v Speaker 1>FBI all began sharing information, a relatively new practice at

742
00:42:17.400 --> 00:42:21.920
<v Speaker 1>the time for serial crimes across state lines. At first,

743
00:42:21.920 --> 00:42:26.360
<v Speaker 1>investigators were flooded with leads, witnesses, descriptions they poured in.

744
00:42:26.639 --> 00:42:30.960
<v Speaker 1>Composite sketches were created, ballistics linked the murders conclusively, and

745
00:42:31.039 --> 00:42:33.320
<v Speaker 1>yet as quickly as the evidence seemed to gather, it

746
00:42:33.400 --> 00:42:38.800
<v Speaker 1>led absolutely nowhere. One major early misstep was the public

747
00:42:38.840 --> 00:42:43.199
<v Speaker 1>release about the information on the killer's weapon. Authorities announced

748
00:42:43.199 --> 00:42:45.400
<v Speaker 1>that they believe the shooter was using that rare erma

749
00:42:45.519 --> 00:42:49.199
<v Speaker 1>E twenty two or Intertex scorpion, very specific distinctive guns.

750
00:42:49.519 --> 00:42:52.039
<v Speaker 1>They also revealed the discovery of the polishing compound on

751
00:42:52.079 --> 00:42:57.519
<v Speaker 1>the shell casings. While the attention to generate tips was good,

752
00:42:57.599 --> 00:43:00.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, they're hoping that this information could help, it's

753
00:43:00.880 --> 00:43:03.280
<v Speaker 1>believed now that it had the opposite effect, that it

754
00:43:03.360 --> 00:43:09.280
<v Speaker 1>actually tipped off the killer. Okay, After the final confirmed

755
00:43:09.280 --> 00:43:12.760
<v Speaker 1>Midwest murder of Sarah Blessing, the I seventy killers suddenly stopped,

756
00:43:12.840 --> 00:43:15.880
<v Speaker 1>or at least changed his pattern so drastically that he

757
00:43:15.920 --> 00:43:20.519
<v Speaker 1>avoided further detection. Over the years, the case grew colder.

758
00:43:21.079 --> 00:43:25.119
<v Speaker 1>Despite being featured in major national shows like Unsolved Mysteries

759
00:43:25.119 --> 00:43:29.239
<v Speaker 1>America's Most Wanted, no arrests were made. The suspect pool

760
00:43:29.280 --> 00:43:34.320
<v Speaker 1>at one point included over sixty seven thousand names, and

761
00:43:34.400 --> 00:43:37.800
<v Speaker 1>it slowly shranked to a handful of persons of interest,

762
00:43:38.559 --> 00:43:41.360
<v Speaker 1>and none of whom could ever be definitively tied to

763
00:43:41.400 --> 00:43:45.480
<v Speaker 1>the crimes. In twenty twelve, on the twentieth anniversary of

764
00:43:45.519 --> 00:43:49.119
<v Speaker 1>the spree, investigators renewed public attention to the case. They

765
00:43:49.159 --> 00:43:52.559
<v Speaker 1>revealed new forensic insight, like the likely weapon types, the

766
00:43:52.599 --> 00:43:56.440
<v Speaker 1>contaminated shell casings, behavioral profile. They put this back out there.

767
00:43:56.519 --> 00:43:58.639
<v Speaker 1>They hope that the advance is in the forensic science,

768
00:43:58.679 --> 00:44:03.039
<v Speaker 1>particularly the DNA technology, could finally crack the case. But

769
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<v Speaker 1>true momentum didn't build again until October twenty twenty one,

770
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<v Speaker 1>when the Saint Charles Police Department announced the formation of

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<v Speaker 1>a new multi agency task force. This task force included

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<v Speaker 1>the FBI, ATF and multiple state local agencies from across Indiana, Missouri,

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00:44:19.239 --> 00:44:23.599
<v Speaker 1>and Kansas. Their goal to completely re examine the entire

774
00:44:23.679 --> 00:44:28.599
<v Speaker 1>investigation from scratch using modern methods. Among their new initiatives

775
00:44:29.159 --> 00:44:33.000
<v Speaker 1>submitting old physical evidence for DNA testing using highly sensitive

776
00:44:33.000 --> 00:44:36.360
<v Speaker 1>new techniques, creating an age progressed sketch of the killer,

777
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<v Speaker 1>imagining how he might look in his sixties or seventies,

778
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<v Speaker 1>Reviewing thousands of pages of reports, evidence logs, and dispatch

779
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<v Speaker 1>records with fresh eyes, cross referencing cases that had similar patterns,

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<v Speaker 1>including the unsolved murders in Texas that we talked about,

781
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<v Speaker 1>and leaven even later incidences as far as in Indiana

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<v Speaker 1>in two thousand and one. For investigators, there is a

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00:44:56.880 --> 00:45:02.559
<v Speaker 1>sense of cautious optimism. DNA technology has solved countless cold

784
00:45:02.599 --> 00:45:06.840
<v Speaker 1>cases once thought hopeless. Even the tiniest fragment of hair

785
00:45:06.960 --> 00:45:09.880
<v Speaker 1>or drop of blood, a touch of on a doorknob,

786
00:45:09.960 --> 00:45:12.920
<v Speaker 1>who knows, could be enough to build a genetic profile

787
00:45:13.079 --> 00:45:19.760
<v Speaker 1>and match it through the genealogical Here we Go database now,

788
00:45:19.800 --> 00:45:23.039
<v Speaker 1>as famously done to capture the Golden State killer. Right,

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00:45:23.079 --> 00:45:26.679
<v Speaker 1>so that's kind of what they're hoping potentially help solve

790
00:45:26.719 --> 00:45:31.039
<v Speaker 1>this now you can only help. Still, time is running out.

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<v Speaker 1>If the I seventy killer was in his thirties or

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<v Speaker 1>four days during the original murder, he would likely be

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<v Speaker 1>in his sixties or even seventies today. He could still

794
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<v Speaker 1>be alive but aging, hiding in plain sight, just as

795
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<v Speaker 1>he was during that bloody spring in nineteen ninety two.

796
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<v Speaker 1>Or he could have died, taking the truth with him. Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>For now, the task force continues its painstaking work, even today,

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<v Speaker 1>after three decades have passed since the I seventy killers rampage.

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<v Speaker 1>Each victim left behind the family. They left behind friends, dreams,

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<v Speaker 1>and futures that were brutally cut short. Each was simply

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<v Speaker 1>doing their job, living their life, and when a stranger

802
00:46:08.360 --> 00:46:12.840
<v Speaker 1>walked in, they stole everything. Robin Flounder was twenty six

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<v Speaker 1>years old working hard as a store manager at Peles

804
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<v Speaker 1>Shue Source in Indianapolis. She dreamed of starting a family.

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<v Speaker 1>One day, she wasn't supposed to be working that afternoon,

806
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<v Speaker 1>but she stepped up when a coworker called in sick,

807
00:46:24.760 --> 00:46:28.199
<v Speaker 1>a simple act of responsibility that unknowingly placed her in

808
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<v Speaker 1>the killer's path. Patricia Major's thirty two in Patricia Smith

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<v Speaker 1>twenty three were at the beginning of new chapters in

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00:46:34.480 --> 00:46:39.400
<v Speaker 1>their lives. Managers had opened lebride Elegance, proud to run

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<v Speaker 1>her own bridle shop, and Patricia Smith was a nursing

812
00:46:42.400 --> 00:46:45.880
<v Speaker 1>student in Wichita State University working part time as a

813
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<v Speaker 1>bridal consultant. They stayed late on Sunday night to help

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<v Speaker 1>a customer, showing kindness and dedication, and were instead met

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<v Speaker 1>with violence. Michael mccow forty had spent years traveling as

816
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<v Speaker 1>a musician before returning home to indian Apple to help

817
00:47:00.559 --> 00:47:04.400
<v Speaker 1>his mother run her ceramics shop. He was a fixture

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<v Speaker 1>in the community, kind, hard working, and loved by friends

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<v Speaker 1>and family. He wasn't even supposed to be at work

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<v Speaker 1>that day. He had thought about taking the day off,

821
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<v Speaker 1>but duty simply called Nancy kits Miller twenty four was

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<v Speaker 1>a bright and ambitious young woman with a newly earned

823
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<v Speaker 1>geographic geography degree from Oklahoma State. She had just landed

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<v Speaker 1>a position at the Defense Mapping Agency and was weeks

825
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<v Speaker 1>away from starting her dream job. She picked up an

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<v Speaker 1>extra shift at Boot Village to help out a coworker,

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<v Speaker 1>one final act of generosity that cost her everything. Sarah

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<v Speaker 1>Blessing thirty seven, had just opened her own shop, store

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<v Speaker 1>of many colors, selling herbal remedies and spiritual goods. A

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<v Speaker 1>published poet and a believer in healing, she was trying

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<v Speaker 1>to build a life rooted in kindness and creativity. She

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<v Speaker 1>had been in business just three weeks when the killer

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<v Speaker 1>found her. And beyond them, there are others possible victims

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<v Speaker 1>of the I seventy Kis Killer who were residing in Texas,

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<v Speaker 1>including Mary Anne glasgowck Amy Vess, and Vicki Webb, who

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<v Speaker 1>survived but carries her own haunting memories. Each of these

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<v Speaker 1>victims were loved, each had stories, talents, and futures that

838
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<v Speaker 1>will never fully be known. The I seventy killer left

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<v Speaker 1>behind more than shellcasings and crime scenes. He left behind

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<v Speaker 1>broken families, empty chairs at dinner tables, and decades of

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00:48:25.559 --> 00:48:30.159
<v Speaker 1>unanswered grief. He ripped a hole through communities, one that

842
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<v Speaker 1>was never fully healed. When we talk about the need

843
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<v Speaker 1>for justice and cold cases like this, it isn't just

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<v Speaker 1>about solving a puzzle or closing a file. It's about

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00:48:39.679 --> 00:48:42.400
<v Speaker 1>honoring each and every one of these victims, about giving

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<v Speaker 1>them dignity of being seen, remembered, and fought for, even

847
00:48:46.079 --> 00:48:49.000
<v Speaker 1>after all of these years. They weren't just names on

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<v Speaker 1>a list. They were people, and they deserve better than

849
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<v Speaker 1>to be forgotten instead of us just remembering the I

850
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<v Speaker 1>seventy killer. And that's the story for Tis.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is a it's a piss off that he

852
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<v Speaker 2>is just getting away with all of this and I

853
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<v Speaker 2>don't know, murdering these people so coldly, and their families

854
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<v Speaker 2>and friends, never getting any closure, and the fact that

855
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<v Speaker 2>like a lot of them weren't even supposed to be

856
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<v Speaker 2>there just kills me. Or they were just you know,

857
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<v Speaker 2>opening a new business and stuff. Oh no matter, anyway,

858
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<v Speaker 2>like anyone dies or whatever, they're going to have a story.

859
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<v Speaker 2>But still some of these just they're going to haunt

860
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<v Speaker 2>me fair enough.

861
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<v Speaker 1>And the idea that this guy, honestly, he could be

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<v Speaker 1>out there right now in some mom and pop shop,

863
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<v Speaker 1>you know, purchasing a bouquet of flowers for his daughter,

864
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<v Speaker 1>granddaughter or graduation, whatever story you want to put together.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't do that. He could be standing in their shop

866
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<v Speaker 1>right now and he could just be thinking what he

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<v Speaker 1>could do, and he's like, I've done it before, I

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<v Speaker 1>could do it again.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it does seem so weird that he would just

870
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<v Speaker 2>randomly stop like that, But I mean, I guess you

871
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<v Speaker 2>never know what's going on that he could have like,

872
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<v Speaker 2>you know, I had a kid or or something. There

873
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<v Speaker 2>could have been something that made him stop.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the general consensus is he didn't stop, he just

875
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<v Speaker 1>changed because of the information that was released to public.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, that it's the same gun. Here's a blistics testing,

877
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<v Speaker 1>here's the possible models he's using, which, honestly, when they

878
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<v Speaker 1>release that, he then stops and then continues as killing

879
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<v Speaker 1>in Texas with a different gun. It makes so much sense.

880
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<v Speaker 2>So he could have even been someone that say has

881
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<v Speaker 2>gotten caught. He could be for like an other serial killer,

882
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<v Speaker 2>and we have no idea that he also did all

883
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<v Speaker 2>these or something, it's possible.

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<v Speaker 1>In my head.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just like, I for some reason feel like he

886
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<v Speaker 2>did die, and I'm like, okay with that. But that's

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<v Speaker 2>just me like justifying how to get through this with

888
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<v Speaker 2>this terrible person.

889
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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, yeah, fair enough. I meant hopefully he's not

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<v Speaker 1>out there and live in a good life, live in

891
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<v Speaker 1>a good life and has the possibility of hurting someone else.

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<v Speaker 2>It just I don't know. It's hard to fathom that

893
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<v Speaker 2>someone just walks into a store, knows literally nothing and

894
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<v Speaker 2>just like boom, like just shoot someone, yeah, and then

895
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<v Speaker 2>just with no remorse.

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<v Speaker 1>Really, just like like why it's.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just it's fascinating to me right now. I really

898
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<v Speaker 2>would love to know like reasonings and stuff. It makes

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<v Speaker 2>no sense if if someone could go and do that.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't. I wish I had answers for you, but

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<v Speaker 1>I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Huh.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry, I did say it was unsolved at the.

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<v Speaker 2>Very you did, I know, and I did have that realization.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, baugh, well, hopefully you guys enjoy the story.

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<v Speaker 1>If you got theories or anything like that, shoot us

907
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<v Speaker 1>a message or an email, who knows, whatever you need

908
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<v Speaker 1>to do to get a hold of us. We'd love

909
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<v Speaker 1>to read it. We'd love to see your thoughts on

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<v Speaker 1>this case. Want to check out any more of our

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912
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<v Speaker 1>will be released. Exclusive episode being released tomorrow at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of every month. Yeah, all that good good stuff. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>all that good good. You're good good. I'm rubbing off

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<v Speaker 1>on you. You are always so until next episode. Stay Wicked.
