Speaker 1: I know it's a different generation, and I'm not going
Speaker 1: to sound like the past generation is better. I'm not
Speaker 1: going to say it's the greatest generation. But it's different
Speaker 1: and we have to adjust now. People grow up in
Speaker 1: different households and people grow up in different ways, and
Speaker 1: I respect that. Not what's right for every child growing
Speaker 1: up in the sixties was right for every child growing
Speaker 1: up in the eighties, and not every child grown up
Speaker 1: in the eighties was right for the two thousands and
Speaker 1: so on and so forth and today. But I do
Speaker 1: believe there is a sense most people would agree that
Speaker 1: more kids today are a little bit more vulnerable, and
Speaker 1: more kids today are a little bit more sensitive. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's the gist. That's a painted with a broad brush,
Speaker 1: and it's not always fair, but it sure seems like that.
Speaker 1: We see certain coaches getting ridiculed by members of the media.
Speaker 2: For losing their temperate times.
Speaker 1: Like it's okay for you to sit at home and
Speaker 1: throw a chip bowl at the TV because your team
Speaker 1: through an interception. It's okay for you to break a
Speaker 1: television set because your team lost a game seven. But
Speaker 1: if a coach who's actually invested in it gets paid
Speaker 1: for it, is coaching and watching film and trying to
Speaker 1: prevent all that stuff gets angry, you think it's unjustified,
Speaker 1: which always finds me you left wondering what the hell
Speaker 1: are you thinking? There are certain coaches that are almost
Speaker 1: that poster boy for it. Brian Kelly immediately comes to
Speaker 1: mind for people in college football. It was okay for
Speaker 1: Nick Saban to do that, but it's not okay for
Speaker 1: Brian Kelly. Why because Nick Saban won seven national championships
Speaker 1: and Brian Kelly has not. Tom is always often used
Speaker 1: as an example. I've got no problem with it whatsoever.
Speaker 1: I ask you, would you send your son or daughter
Speaker 1: to play for a coach? Would you send your son
Speaker 1: to play college basketball at Michigan State University?
Speaker 2: In a second? Absolutely right.
Speaker 1: And one of the reasons is not because he's got
Speaker 1: three hundred and fifty four Big Ten wins. It's not
Speaker 1: because he's got a national championship. It's not because that
Speaker 1: school has a national two championships. It's not because that
Speaker 1: school retired the jerseys of Magic Johnson and Greg Kelser
Speaker 1: and John Restbert and the like. It's because of the
Speaker 1: man who patrols the bench and because of what my
Speaker 1: child is going to learn. Look, I went through this
Speaker 1: with a couple of my kids, a few of my
Speaker 1: kids actually who were good enough to play at the
Speaker 1: collegiate level, and I find that refreshing my kids.
Speaker 2: As I said to all the coaches who.
Speaker 1: Were recruiting them, I said, look, how do I know
Speaker 1: you're going to be one of the biggest influences in
Speaker 1: his or her life? How do I know you're going
Speaker 1: to do the right thing in help Not helping them
Speaker 1: get to a higher level or become an All conference
Speaker 1: player or become a player of the week. I want
Speaker 1: to know what you're going to do for them to
Speaker 1: make them a better man and.
Speaker 2: Or a woman.
Speaker 1: Because of my daughter's case, so that's what I wanted
Speaker 1: to That was one of my questions. How long are
Speaker 1: you going to be there, what's your relationship with the
Speaker 1: athletic director, because that matters? And tell me what you're
Speaker 1: going to do to help my son or my daughter
Speaker 1: become a better person and ready for life more than
Speaker 1: anything else. Not every kid is the same. You know,
Speaker 1: Trent's father probably talked to him a certain way, his
Speaker 1: brother maybe a different way. The rules were probably the same,
Speaker 1: but how you went about conveying.
Speaker 2: Those rules might be completely different.
Speaker 1: There are certain people who they're just built differently, and
Speaker 1: that's okay, not that one way is right or the
Speaker 1: other way is wrong. As when I I was younger,
Speaker 1: if I got chewed out, I could hate. I could
Speaker 1: take it. You know. I remember in football one time
Speaker 1: I thought I did a great thing with a quarterback
Speaker 1: roll out on a fourth and one, scoring on a touchdown,
Speaker 1: raising the football about the two or three yard line,
Speaker 1: staying in holding for the extra point, going to the sideline,
Speaker 1: thinking I was going to get an added boy. I
Speaker 1: got a slap in the ear hole from my Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame coach and he said, don't ever do that again.
Speaker 2: Okay, he doesn't. He didn't want me showing people up.
Speaker 1: If you did that today, the kid would file a
Speaker 1: police report. Police would probably look into it. Parents would
Speaker 1: probably side with their child. My youngest son was playing
Speaker 1: hockey one time, and you know we all watch our kids.
Speaker 1: I'm watching him on the bench and his coach is
Speaker 1: just chewing his ass out.
Speaker 2: I mean, the coach is red.
Speaker 1: In the face. My son's just nodding. Goes back out there,
Speaker 1: wins a draw, ends up, scoring game, ends I'm driving
Speaker 1: home with him, and I said it just out of curiosity,
Speaker 1: what does the coach say to you? And he said
Speaker 1: you really want to know? I said yeah, And he
Speaker 1: went into this tirade of what the coach was screaming
Speaker 1: in his ear A few f bombs. For sure, wasn't
Speaker 1: demeaning him, but he was yelling at him.
Speaker 2: I said, what did you say back? In my sense
Speaker 2: of I will coach, that's it. It's tough enough to
Speaker 2: take it.
Speaker 1: Not that everybody should be or would not that you'd
Speaker 1: always want every coach, but that coach was fine. But
Speaker 1: there was a moment there that was a teaching moment
Speaker 1: that was required. I didn't go to the coach and
Speaker 1: the next day and say, you know, I don't appreciate
Speaker 1: you yelling and swearing at my son. My son was
Speaker 1: fine with it. He could handle it. And sometimes, whether
Speaker 1: you like this or not, people need a kick in
Speaker 1: the ass.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 1: That's Oh my god. I can't believe who would do that.
Speaker 1: Who would subject their kid? When do you consider a child.
Speaker 2: Old enough.
Speaker 1: To be able to take it? Is a high school
Speaker 1: when they can learn to drive. I don't know's that's
Speaker 1: up to you as a parent up to you as
Speaker 1: an individual. I suppose for me it's not a huge
Speaker 1: deal as long as you're not assaulting or demeaning my child.
Speaker 1: I never felt like that was a big deal. Now,
Speaker 1: if you're going to sit there and all you're going
Speaker 1: to do is talk about him negatively and try to
Speaker 1: crush his confidence, then we're going to have a problem.
Speaker 1: But if there is an issue where you see he's
Speaker 1: not giving one hundred percent, you don't think he's giving
Speaker 1: you your attention, the attention that is desired and needed,
Speaker 1: and you don't think he's doing what's best for the team,
Speaker 1: and you want to chastise him, go ahead, because I
Speaker 1: got news for you. It's kind of the way life is.
Speaker 1: It's not always fair, but sometimes it requires you to
Speaker 1: push yourself a little bit. There's nothing wrong with that
Speaker 1: as far as I'm concerned. So what I have my
Speaker 1: son play for time is all You're damn right.
Speaker 2: I would. Well, I've had my daughter play for somebody
Speaker 2: like pat Summit, no question.
Speaker 1: But they were coaches who they force you, they push
Speaker 1: you to be better. I love that. I have never
Speaker 1: been a big Rick Patino fan, but Rick Patino, to
Speaker 1: his credit, in his early seventies, is a disciplinarian. He
Speaker 1: is going to push his players. He has made, whether
Speaker 1: you believe it or not, Saint John's relevant.
Speaker 2: Again.
Speaker 1: I don't know how often you are watching college basketball,
Speaker 1: if you're just watching Michigan State or Michigan or whatever.
Speaker 1: But taking Saint John's to number ten, which is what
Speaker 1: Rick Patino has done with this team, it's it's really impressive.
Speaker 1: They're twenty two and four, they're number one in the
Speaker 1: Big East. They are packing Madison Square Garden, and they
Speaker 1: just played Villain, No, not Villanova. They played Creighton over
Speaker 1: the weekend and they were down big at the half
Speaker 1: and they came back and won. A lot of it
Speaker 1: is because they started making buckets and they started buying
Speaker 1: more into the system, right. But also a big part
Speaker 1: of that is because of Rick Patino and what he
Speaker 1: told them at halftime. This with some of the salty
Speaker 1: language beeped out, is what he said to his team.
Speaker 2: The game and be a basketball player.
Speaker 3: They did.
Speaker 2: Every time you miss a shot, your game to plays.
Speaker 2: We don't care about your mid shots. Playing defense.
Speaker 3: You guys keep blowing opportunity upon opportunity upon opportunity. You're
Speaker 3: like children with bad things happening. Instead of digging it,
Speaker 3: be tougher, you will. Where is your toughness? Where have
Speaker 3: you guys been raised that you'd so wee nally give
Speaker 3: up putting something that's all right for you? Don't you
Speaker 3: know what diversity about? That's the game one, not the
Speaker 3: game of basketball. You don't get down on things go wrong.
Speaker 3: You're thinking it can comfort your whole life's gonna be adversity,
Speaker 3: whatever dealing it.
Speaker 2: Thumbs up or thumbs down on that? Because I love it.
Speaker 2: I give it a huge thumbs up. Yeah I do,
Speaker 2: two thumbs up, three thumbs up, whatever, Yeah, I think
Speaker 2: that's awesome.
Speaker 1: So they were down by as many as ten in
Speaker 1: that game and came back and won it. Actually won
Speaker 1: the first one both halves, but came back and won it.
Speaker 1: But the bottom line is, even though it was just
Speaker 1: a one point game at the half, Rick Patino and
Speaker 1: they were up by one, Rick Patino.
Speaker 2: Had that type of message. Now, some people.
Speaker 1: Who might be of a different era, and some people
Speaker 1: who may have been raised differently, would find that very offensive.
Speaker 2: I find it refreshing.
Speaker 1: The word awesome comes to mind, the phrase good for
Speaker 1: you comes to mind.
Speaker 2: Does that work every time? No, Nope, it's not gonna
Speaker 2: work every week. It's not gonna work every game.
Speaker 1: If you're down at the half, or you're down at
Speaker 1: some point in the game, they would have to be
Speaker 1: the half because you're in a halftime scenario there seen
Speaker 1: where you're listening to the coach and he's getting that
Speaker 1: type of captive audience. That's not him on the sidelines
Speaker 1: midway through the second half. That's him at the half
Speaker 1: and his team was up forty to thirty nine, I believe,
Speaker 1: at the break. So he's basically saying, even though you're up,
Speaker 1: look at the body language.
Speaker 2: What has happened when they went on the run. When
Speaker 2: are you going to fight back? Maybe there might be
Speaker 2: a parent or two who might be a little offended
Speaker 2: by how were you raised? Where you just kind of
Speaker 2: sulk and begin to give up. That might be a
Speaker 2: little offensive to.
Speaker 1: Parents, maybe even me if I were had my child
Speaker 1: playing on that team.
Speaker 2: But the overall message is dead on.
Speaker 1: It's right there, and it's something that I'm sure many
Speaker 1: of those kids will remember and will use moving forward.
Speaker 2: So that's an example of emotion working. Don't you think
Speaker 2: I've said emotion can only take you so far. And
Speaker 2: I truly believe that.
Speaker 1: But when that emotion is stirred up, there's something there,
Speaker 1: and Rick Patino was able to deliver