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Speaker 1: comfort zone and into the matrix. So architectural technology. I
Speaker 1: know you are definitely thinking that this is an episode
Speaker 1: about how arches are built or glass buildings with solar
Speaker 1: panel windows. I know, but watch out, that is not
Speaker 1: it at all at all. So archie means having or
Speaker 1: conceived of is having a single, unified overall design and
Speaker 1: texture comes from the Greek for chief weaver or builder,
Speaker 1: and then technology is also from the Greek meaning art
Speaker 1: or craft, coming from weave. So the tech in architect
Speaker 1: and technology are the same tech. So archetechnology. You'll hear
Speaker 1: more on that now. Okay, I don't know beans about programming,
Speaker 1: and when things start to get over the average or
Speaker 1: in my case, below average person's head, I'm going to
Speaker 1: stop and just clue us all in for a second,
Speaker 1: just to get up to speed so no one's left behind. Also,
Speaker 1: I made this episode kid friendly just because we'd need
Speaker 1: the youth to solve all of our problems. Thank you
Speaker 1: in advance for doing that. Now this ologist is just
Speaker 1: about to become your new hero. At fourteen, he got
Speaker 1: the Presidential Scholar Award from a guy named Barack Obama.
Speaker 1: And at the age when most of us are just
Speaker 1: sweating over getting our learners permit, he was working on
Speaker 1: data analysis for Twitter and with Instagram and Snapchat. Still
Speaker 1: in his teens, he was pioneering autonomous driving systems, and
Speaker 1: he's worked for SpaceX. He's spoken at TEDx. He has
Speaker 1: created the user experience for Nipsey Hustle's smart store, Marathon Clothing,
Speaker 1: and just in twenty twenty alone, he's collaborated with Prada, Versace,
Speaker 1: Travis Scott, and Fenti. He launched an augmented reality visual
Speaker 1: studio called Spatial Labs, and is the designer for Snoop
Speaker 1: Dogg's new retail store. He's also releasing an EP of
Speaker 1: his own, Dude is Busy and He's Awesome. I was
Speaker 1: very lucky to be introduced by our mutual agents at
Speaker 1: wm so Hi Travis and Hi Matthew. And then for
Speaker 1: the week leading up to this interview, I just had
Speaker 1: noughts in my stomach about how cool he was and
Speaker 1: how little I understood about programming and just want to
Speaker 1: ask him. But he is as patient and as gracious
Speaker 1: as a genius could possibly be, and we chatted all
Speaker 1: about the value of hands on tinkering and different programming
Speaker 1: languages and what they do, and how to start coding
Speaker 1: at any age, advice he gives kiddos and grown ups,
Speaker 1: and being part of technological movements, how he's worked with
Speaker 1: everyone from Kanye to Rihana and more, what the future
Speaker 1: will look like, and why being flexible and collecting varied
Speaker 1: life experiences is the key to excellence. So cozy up
Speaker 1: and get ready for your mind to be blown and
Speaker 1: your heart to be warmed by architectural technologist Idris sand.
Speaker 2: But luckily for.
Speaker 1: You, I imagine a lot of your stuff can be done
Speaker 1: on a computer.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean for me, work has always been
Speaker 3: about being digital, and even though we have an office,
Speaker 3: you know, it's really been about like you know, I
Speaker 3: just the comfort of like having an in home office
Speaker 3: in a studio, And I mean, I mean I do
Speaker 3: everything here from software developing to architectural fixture. Like you know,
Speaker 3: I do a lot of prefab architecture, so creating the
Speaker 3: concepts here, three D printing them. There's a CNC machine
Speaker 3: in here. There's like all these different machines. So we
Speaker 3: just constantly keep the creative juice flowing.
Speaker 1: Ps. Speaking of juggling several different intricate tech projects and
Speaker 1: creative juices, I asked him how much coffee he has
Speaker 1: to drink to handle it all. He told me he
Speaker 1: doesn't even drink coffee. This man is just naturally turbocharged. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's get right into it. And how would you define
Speaker 1: an architectural technologist or someone who doesn't know?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so architectural technologist or more more like you know
Speaker 3: important like digital architect is really this like term that
Speaker 3: I coined around you know, applying the concepts, the ideations,
Speaker 3: and the design thinking that goes into you know, architecture
Speaker 3: and applying those two enhancing, enriching and scaling digital systems. Right,
Speaker 3: So it's about understanding like Dita Ram's ten principles of design.
Speaker 3: You know, Zaha needs like principles or Mark Newsom or
Speaker 3: Johnny Ive or even like you know Bauhaus right, taking
Speaker 3: these elements of design and applying them to create efficient
Speaker 3: systems around digital infrastructure. That's like the you know way
Speaker 3: that I can break it down to people. They see
Speaker 3: the vision, but once they like have those conversations and
Speaker 3: it gets deeper, it makes total sense.
Speaker 1: That list of designers a side note include visionaries who
Speaker 1: have made fluid sloping opera houses to elegantly minimalist German buildings,
Speaker 1: to knighted designers, and the mindes behind everything from rounded
Speaker 1: lounge chairs to the Apple Watch. Now, Idris mentioned the
Speaker 1: ten principles of design by Dita Roums, which I will
Speaker 1: list very quickly for context for this episode. Good design
Speaker 1: is innovative. Good design makes a product useful. Good design
Speaker 1: is aesthetic. Good design makes a product understandable. Good design
Speaker 1: is unobtrusive. Good design is honest. Good design is long lasting.
Speaker 1: Good design is thorough down to the last detail. Good
Speaker 1: design is environmentally friendly. And good design is as little
Speaker 1: design as possible, so less is more. Something to consider
Speaker 1: before adding a bunch of glittering clip art and comic
Speaker 1: sands headers to your web patreots clutter be gone. And
Speaker 1: what what do architecture and digital landscapes have in common?
Speaker 1: Is there something about like a user experience of it
Speaker 1: being clean but big, but navigable but complex? Like how
Speaker 1: how would you kind of relate those two?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Well, I mean technically, you know, when I use
Speaker 3: the word architects, I don't mean in the context of
Speaker 3: the noun, right. And as a noun, it's somebody that
Speaker 3: you know, assists, creates or develops, you know, using the
Speaker 3: skills of design, creates, builds, assembles, or supervises buildings and
Speaker 3: their construction. Right, architects. And although I would love to
Speaker 3: be in that category, I have not you know, took
Speaker 3: the Bar test for architecture and you know, I never
Speaker 3: went to college. Guys, I feel look at a dictionary
Speaker 3: for the word architect. In a dictionary, there's another definition.
Speaker 3: And as a verb, it's a process. It's a living thing. Right.
Speaker 3: The noun version, it confines you to a box. It
Speaker 3: puts you in this box of you are an architect,
Speaker 3: and in many cases you're building either physical things or
Speaker 3: digital things. Right. Architects don't always have to build physical systems.
Speaker 3: They can also build like virtual systems.
Speaker 1: Okay, quick aside I look this up and yep, sure enough.
Speaker 1: Architect is both a noun and a verb, and the
Speaker 1: verb is more common in the tech industry now, I
Speaker 1: dress defines it for those of us outside of those
Speaker 1: digital domains.
Speaker 3: As a verb, it's a process. It becomes a living thing,
Speaker 3: it becomes universal, it becomes water in itself, because it
Speaker 3: teaches you that as a verb, it's the process of
Speaker 3: taking figments of an idea and making it into an
Speaker 3: actual product. And I fell in love with that definition
Speaker 3: of like, and I was like every time, I'm like,
Speaker 3: I'm a digital architect, not as a noun, but as
Speaker 3: a verb, because people need to understand the power in
Speaker 3: verbs being used to define what they do. Right, we
Speaker 3: live in the era of like people be like, Oh,
Speaker 3: I'm a Tory, So I'm a Gemini, I'm an aquarius,
Speaker 3: I'm an introvert, I'm an extrovert. All these boxes that
Speaker 3: we put ourselves in. And then when the moment somebody
Speaker 3: calls us or puts in the cite box, what's the
Speaker 3: first thing we say, trying to put me in a box?
Speaker 3: What I tell the bigges stock. So, yeah, that's what
Speaker 3: digital architecture really is to me. Like the usage of
Speaker 3: architecture in a verb definition. I think the similarities that
Speaker 3: tie everything back to each other, which I've which took
Speaker 3: me years at twenty two, it took me years to learn,
Speaker 3: was that what connects synchronous designs together is the synchronosity
Speaker 3: between all forms of design is empathy, right, And I
Speaker 3: think that's one thing that architecture is a representation of.
Speaker 3: Architects ironically build either physical buildings or digital systems for
Speaker 3: everybody else but themselves. Architects are the equivalent of the
Speaker 3: doctors of the design world that find viruses and pathogens
Speaker 3: and all of these things of design right and create
Speaker 3: using certain elements and patterns and tesselations together to form
Speaker 3: whole buildings that can protect people and cost shelter. Like
Speaker 3: being an architect, whether the noun or a verb, it's
Speaker 3: the highest human achievement and that everyone can do it.
Speaker 3: Like the connections are in understanding that all elements are
Speaker 3: designed together, are precisely woven together, connected by one medium,
Speaker 3: and that's empathy.
Speaker 1: Wow, you know it's funny because you say that, And
Speaker 1: I think of all of the different scientists that I've
Speaker 1: interviewed in my work, and I always find that they
Speaker 1: usually start with a problem and their science kind of
Speaker 1: revolves around a solution. And it never occurred to me that, yeah,
Speaker 1: at the root of that is empathy. Is Okay, well
Speaker 1: here's something that someone needs, and so I'll build it,
Speaker 1: or I'll dream it up, or I'll fix it, you know.
Speaker 1: And you know, were you always a very empathetic kids?
Speaker 1: Were you kind of out like romping around and looking
Speaker 1: at bugs or were you more like a book corm inside?
Speaker 1: Or when when did you become so curious?
Speaker 3: I think I have always been a curious kid, you know,
Speaker 3: I remember being six seven eight, you know. Growing up,
Speaker 3: we were you know, financially deprived. But I'm very, very
Speaker 3: very particular with words, because our words are frequencies. I
Speaker 3: prefer the term financially deprived instead of low income because
Speaker 3: it relates to us, you know, beneath level, right, but
Speaker 3: it's just a lack of resources to be able to perform.
Speaker 3: So yeah, we were just like financially deprived. And I
Speaker 3: would always, like my mom would always have to buy
Speaker 3: new controllers because I would always break them. And you know,
Speaker 3: just look at okay, cool, these are what transistors are.
Speaker 3: And I would look at a PCB board.
Speaker 1: PS PCB is a printed circuit board, and no, I
Speaker 1: have never taken one apart myself. And yes, I just
Speaker 1: had to look up what a PCB was. I'm not
Speaker 1: a shaped.
Speaker 3: I would look at it and reroute everything and connect
Speaker 3: to the USB and then take the USB to this
Speaker 3: and then I remember this one time I created. I
Speaker 3: took a remote and then I basically rerouted and reprogrammed
Speaker 3: in Java the ability for me to point that at
Speaker 3: our ceiling fan and I could change the speed of
Speaker 3: the fat right, and so like I had always been curious, Yeah,
Speaker 3: those one time I programmed the light bulb to have
Speaker 3: a two simple digits, a zero and a one node
Speaker 3: and when it was in a zero state, it was off.
Speaker 3: When it was in its one state, it was on.
Speaker 3: And that moment was when I just knew that this
Speaker 3: is what I was meant to do, the curiosity of
Speaker 3: understanding how things work, and more importantly, including this this
Speaker 3: common theme that would forever be you know in my life.
Speaker 3: Digital alchemy, which is the reusability of products once you
Speaker 3: know it's it's the way that it's been designed to
Speaker 3: use once that is depleted, being able to repurpose things
Speaker 3: to form things completely new, so yeah, So, like answer
Speaker 3: your question, I'd always been creative. I can't remember a
Speaker 3: time when I wasn't created. But every single thing, even
Speaker 3: to this day, that I create is not for me.
Speaker 3: It's about the people around me. And I mean growing
Speaker 3: up in Ghana for a little bit, and you know,
Speaker 3: growing up in Compton and moving to Harbord City and
Speaker 3: being around you know, every type of person from different communities.
Speaker 3: Everything that has woven my work and even in my
Speaker 3: DNA has been around using that curiosity not to create inventions, right,
Speaker 3: Inventions are like a blatant form of ego, whether people
Speaker 3: realize them or not. Innovation is truth. Innovation is humility,
Speaker 3: and an invention starts with you wanting to create something
Speaker 3: for the sole purpose of it satisfying your needs or
Speaker 3: your immediate surroundings. Innovation is about creating things to help
Speaker 3: the masses. That's the true test of humility. Always curiosity.
Speaker 1: And you know, when did you go from you know,
Speaker 1: hardware and taking apart controllers and changing their frequency and
Speaker 1: into coding and into kind of software, Like when did
Speaker 1: you make that jump?
Speaker 3: Okay, so there's two people, right, there's two people that
Speaker 3: inspired me. One is one is fictional and the others
Speaker 3: non fictional Steve Jobs, I am back Tony Stark.
Speaker 1: I am Iron Man.
Speaker 3: Okay, so they you know Tony Stark, you know, like
Speaker 3: because that was that was my Howard Hughes, that was
Speaker 3: my Nikola Tesla, that was my Steve Jobs, even because
Speaker 3: he set the bar for me in terms of what
Speaker 3: could be created because it never really was created. It's
Speaker 3: not real. And that allowed my imagination to be very field.
Speaker 3: But to answer your question about, like, before all of this,
Speaker 3: what got me into coding? I remember watching the keynote, right,
Speaker 3: the Steve Jobs keynote of him in two thousand and seven, Right.
Speaker 2: Are you pulling it up there?
Speaker 3: Yes, just so I can show you this, like you know,
Speaker 3: it's like so I could let you know what Mark about.
Speaker 3: I think like eight minutes ink. In two thousand and
Speaker 3: seven the first iPhone presentation, Steve Jobs said something that
Speaker 3: the rest of the world at that time might not
Speaker 3: have been might not have noticed because they were just
Speaker 3: thinking about the product. Steve Jobs took a quote from
Speaker 3: a very popular I would consider him an anthropologist, a teacher,
Speaker 3: a guider, a philanthropist. Alan Kay. Are you familiar with him?
Speaker 3: Alan Kay? He's huge in the he was very fundamental
Speaker 3: towards like the early stages of Apple and stuff. He's
Speaker 3: just like super cool. He took a quote from Alan
Speaker 3: k that said, people who were really serious about software
Speaker 3: should make their own hardware. To build your own hardware,
Speaker 3: build your own software. That was the quote, and that
Speaker 3: one over so many people's heads. But that was the
Speaker 3: birthing place that or that was the mark that signify
Speaker 3: the birth of Apple as we know today from a
Speaker 3: perspective of creating their own hardware and controlling the own
Speaker 3: software right. And I saw that from our early age,
Speaker 3: and as I would age, I realized how every brand
Speaker 3: started to assimilate in that same way. You're able to
Speaker 3: control the narrative around whatever it is that you're pushing
Speaker 3: if you're the platform owner. So from a very young age,
Speaker 3: I always wanted to be a platform owner. I wanted
Speaker 3: to think about, yes, I want to build software and
Speaker 3: got I started learning how to code, in fact, at
Speaker 3: the age of eleven and went to a library for
Speaker 3: almost two years straight, only missed three days and learned everything.
Speaker 3: And I saw the differences. When I was in Compton,
Speaker 3: I was reading legacy programming languages.
Speaker 1: Okay, I wasn't sure if legacy was the actual name
Speaker 1: of a programming language, so I had to look it
Speaker 1: up and wow, okay, no, So a legacy language, as
Speaker 1: opposed to a modern one, is older and usually not
Speaker 1: the base for today's coding. But it's really important to
Speaker 1: know because new technology sometimes has to interact with a
Speaker 1: legacy language that may be the base for other programs. Also,
Speaker 1: please pardon this aside up top, but I just want
Speaker 1: to get some programming basics just out of the way
Speaker 1: for context, so no one feels lost, and also full
Speaker 1: disclosure because I needed to look it up to understand it. Also,
Speaker 1: I'm going to go quick. So first off, machine language
Speaker 1: is chattering via binary code, so ones and zeros, and
Speaker 1: those are expressed via tens of thousands of transistors that
Speaker 1: flip on and off to relay those ones and zeros. Now,
Speaker 1: a programming language is a way for us to tell
Speaker 1: those ones and zeros how to behave and what to
Speaker 1: accomplish for us. So just to remember the task of
Speaker 1: a thousand steps begins with a single beat boop. Life
Speaker 1: is just a series of tiny beat boops that can
Speaker 1: change the world. Now, some of the first programming trivia
Speaker 1: alert was around the year eight hundred in modern day
Speaker 1: Baghdad and involved an automata, which was a programmable steam flute.
Speaker 1: Priorities got to get those flute jams in now. In
Speaker 1: the seventeen hundreds, we had punch cards that helped operate
Speaker 1: Jeckhard textile looms, and in eighteen forty three, Ada Lovelace,
Speaker 1: a writer and mathematician who's also the daughter of poet
Speaker 1: Lord Byron, wrote an algorithm to calculate Bernoulli numbers, which
Speaker 1: are a sequence of rational numbers that occur often in
Speaker 1: number theory. Anyway, some of the first computers in NASA's
Speaker 1: history were women crunching numbers behind the scenes to figure
Speaker 1: out flight paths and fuel needs, and programming the first
Speaker 1: electronic general purpose digital computer for the US Army in
Speaker 1: the nineteen forties. Fast forwarding to the last couple of decades,
Speaker 1: let's have a very brief simplification of what a programming
Speaker 1: language is. Essentially means how plain text or what's called
Speaker 1: source code is formatted and written to tell the machine
Speaker 1: how to flip those transistors making all those ones and
Speaker 1: zeros to get stuff done. And some older legacy programming
Speaker 1: languages are COBAL aka Common Business Oriented Language, which has
Speaker 1: been around since the late nineteen fifties. For tran is
Speaker 1: casual for formula translation, it's also from the fifties. There's RPG,
Speaker 1: which was developed by IBM in nineteen sixty. C has
Speaker 1: been around since nineteen sixty nine, and it's the foundation
Speaker 1: of languages like C plus plus and Java and C sharp.
Speaker 1: Perl has been around since the late nineteen eighties and
Speaker 1: gained traction doing CGI graphics. And it's open source, meaning
Speaker 1: you can fuss with it and modify it. So anyway,
Speaker 1: thank you for bearing with that history and context. Idris
Speaker 1: was at the library at the age of eleven, feeding
Speaker 1: his hungry brain with legacy programming languages as one does.
Speaker 3: You know, I was looking at like Mainframe, IBM, like Lisa,
Speaker 3: I was looking at like all these different you know, scratch,
Speaker 3: you know, basic assembly, very very low level.
Speaker 1: Okay, so low level like easy.
Speaker 3: High level programming is actually low and low was actually high.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: When I say low level programming, I'm in the kernel.
Speaker 3: I'm learning about the machine language, right of how computers
Speaker 3: not interpret data data but really process information. There's like
Speaker 3: different forms of computer language processing. Some are it's a lot,
Speaker 3: Like there's interpreted languages, there's machine language, there's like a
Speaker 3: bunch of different ones. But then I just started going
Speaker 3: to library and read and read and read and ironic,
Speaker 3: well not ironically, but to the universe in God's grace.
Speaker 3: I would end up meeting a Google engineer that happened
Speaker 3: to be there that day and saw me reading my books,
Speaker 3: and like that was really the start for me in
Speaker 3: this space. But yeah, it's I mean, it really started
Speaker 3: with just seeing the possibility of you know, are you
Speaker 3: a huger like Marvel fan?
Speaker 1: Okay, I was already clueless about programming, but now I
Speaker 1: also had to admit that I am like a weird
Speaker 1: old lady who has not seen a lot of superhero movies.
Speaker 1: But somehow he was perfectly kind and gracious about it,
Speaker 1: so much that it almost me cry to be honest.
Speaker 3: No judgment, no judgment at all. No, no, don't worry
Speaker 3: about it. You have a whole lifetime, you know, Like, no,
Speaker 3: I'm not even being ironic. By now, you're still young,
Speaker 3: like you have a lot of time to like watch it.
Speaker 3: But in the first you know, iron Man, there's a
Speaker 3: scene of like, you know Obadiah who was like, you know,
Speaker 3: the villain in the first movie like pressing the scientists like, yeah,
Speaker 3: we tried it, but we can't. He's like, Tony Stark
Speaker 3: built this in a cave, right, and then the dude like, well,
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, sir, I'm not Tony Stark. You know. It's
Speaker 3: like and I think that ability for him to build
Speaker 3: anything anywhere at any place is what gave me the
Speaker 3: push in a very digital way, right, the digital architecture.
Speaker 3: Tony Stark instilled the digital design thinking in my mind,
Speaker 3: and Steve jobs Or he instilled the physical design thinking
Speaker 3: in my life. So like, these are very two card
Speaker 3: similar yet different people. But yeah, it was ultimately around
Speaker 3: like watching the Apple keynote and at the same time
Speaker 3: Discovery because Ironment also came out in two thousand and seven,
Speaker 3: by the way.
Speaker 2: I didn't realize that.
Speaker 3: So it's like these people together are literally like shaping
Speaker 3: my design thinking process and everything for years to come.
Speaker 1: I dress was nine in two thousand and seven. I
Speaker 1: still have pants from two thousand and seven that I wear,
Speaker 1: like legacy bootcut baby. But yes, he got started really early,
Speaker 1: learning to code at eleven and by chance meeting a
Speaker 1: Google designer while studying at the library.
Speaker 2: I know you.
Speaker 1: I know that you were in the library, you're studying code.
Speaker 1: You were what maybe thirteen at the time, and you
Speaker 1: started enterning for Google.
Speaker 3: Yes, various points in my life, I was being allowed
Speaker 3: to be in spaces that I normally wouldn't have been in. Right,
Speaker 3: So me being a thirteen year old kid with somebody
Speaker 3: that you know, believed in me so much and saw
Speaker 3: what I was doing to let me have an opportunity
Speaker 3: to see how things actually worked, and being able to
Speaker 3: go into the Google building and go in and see
Speaker 3: how ideas then went to the drawing board, and the
Speaker 3: drawing board then went to the designers. At that time,
Speaker 3: like uy ux wasn't as big as it is now,
Speaker 3: you know, so it was like the you know, the
Speaker 3: interface designers, and then from there it going to like
Speaker 3: the programmers and the programers working with the marketing team,
Speaker 3: and the marketing team distributing the app that was built.
Speaker 3: I just got to see so much and I was like,
Speaker 3: oh wow. It was like being a Willy Wonkers factory
Speaker 3: and I was like, wow, this is how it works.
Speaker 3: I want to create this. How did you like the
Speaker 3: Chocolate Factor, Charlie? I think it's the most wonderful place
Speaker 3: in the whole world, and that would basically shape my
Speaker 3: whole life around ownership. I started with ownership. I started
Speaker 3: by watching Steve Jobs unveil the first iPhone and Tony Stark,
Speaker 3: you know, one to own his iron Man tech and
Speaker 3: not give it to the Pentagon. Like seeing these two
Speaker 3: parallel stories informed every single time everything about me. And
Speaker 3: one thing that I practice a lot is vertical integration
Speaker 3: right now. Vertical integration is a form of business in
Speaker 3: which a business owner or entity controls the whole product
Speaker 3: life cycle of their creation. Right That's what Apple does. Right,
Speaker 3: So let me like break it like back to what
Speaker 3: I was saying by the reason why throughout this whole
Speaker 3: interview that Alan k to build your own hardware and
Speaker 3: make your own software is going to make so much sense. Right. So,
Speaker 3: Apple as a company has a multitude of different devices
Speaker 3: right now, for every one of those devices that they have,
Speaker 3: there's an integrated operating system that they created for each
Speaker 3: of those products. Right. So, if you have an Apple Watch,
Speaker 3: it runs what watch os. If you have an iPhone
Speaker 3: it runs iOS. If you which they own these two
Speaker 3: which they own. If you have a Mac computer, you're
Speaker 3: running mac os, which they also own, and if you
Speaker 3: have a TV, it runs what Apple exactly AOS? Right, Okay, cool,
Speaker 3: Maybe I just got lucky. Maybe I just got lucky
Speaker 3: with that. You know, that's maybe just a coincidence, even
Speaker 3: though I said, you know, I did four different comparisons.
Speaker 3: Let's keep going. Let's look at Google. Google's phones run
Speaker 3: what Android, their TV's run Android TV, their cars run
Speaker 3: Android Auto, and their watches run Android ware. But now
Speaker 3: let's talk about like Virtual assistance. Alexa is owned by Amazon,
Speaker 3: Apple owned Seri, IBM has Watson, Google has Google Assistance,
Speaker 3: so they've all vertically integrated their companies in plain sight
Speaker 3: in a way that people have it like it's like
Speaker 3: a case of CSI and you're drawing like all the
Speaker 3: red line between all the different points of you know,
Speaker 3: origin or whatever. So with that in my blood, and
Speaker 3: with that understanding that Steve Jobs and Tony Stark one
Speaker 3: fictional one nonfictional in stilled, that's why everything always came
Speaker 3: down to. So when you ask you, I have to
Speaker 3: give that preface before answering your question in regards to
Speaker 3: how does that light bulb moment go to an actual product?
Speaker 3: You know, for like me. And it goes with understanding
Speaker 3: that if I know I'm not in a position to
Speaker 3: work on an immediate solution to an issue or a
Speaker 3: problem that I can't vertically integrate, or at least, for
Speaker 3: the most part, vertically integrate within my own immediate surroundings,
Speaker 3: I don't deem it as a priority for me. So,
Speaker 3: you know, because I divide things I do into two
Speaker 3: space states. Right there's I came up with this term
Speaker 3: called aspirational necessitation. Now, aspirational necessitation just simply means or
Speaker 3: taking the ninety five percent of design thinking that's usually
Speaker 3: attributed for five percent of products in the world and
Speaker 3: applying it to the ninety five percent of the products,
Speaker 3: Meaning the kids that graduate school and have the best
Speaker 3: ideas to come back and fully sustain and develop our
Speaker 3: communities and scale them the way they need to get
Speaker 3: poached by big companies, so they never have an opportunity to.
Speaker 3: If you look around you, you would notice that the
Speaker 3: products that are aspirational, the stuff you do not need,
Speaker 3: are the most highly priced and are in fact the
Speaker 3: most beautiful design things that you can lay your eyes on,
Speaker 3: Whereas the products that are a necessity in you to
Speaker 3: you roadblock street sides, pedestrian buttons, parking meters. All of
Speaker 3: these things are designed very very poorly and with very
Speaker 3: little design thing And in fact, the moment that these
Speaker 3: systems are installed, they're already depreciating in value, whereas on
Speaker 3: your phone, if you really think about it, it appreciates
Speaker 3: in value. Why because there's software updates. So why haven't
Speaker 3: we designed city infrastructure and things that are a necessity
Speaker 3: around us with the same thing. Could you imagine all
Speaker 3: these tech companies Tesla, General Motors, Hyundai, Toyota making new
Speaker 3: cars all the time, making a car be smaller, faster,
Speaker 3: more efficient, but no one is thinking about the road
Speaker 3: on which the car is drive to. Yeah, that hasn't
Speaker 3: been changed. How about we just make efficient more roads?
Speaker 1: Right, So, aspirational necessitation making the things that we all
Speaker 1: use as nice as the things only five percent of
Speaker 1: people can afford. Can you imagine that world of just
Speaker 1: beautiful efficiency?
Speaker 3: And then it gets into this conversation of like, well,
Speaker 3: do is you know, do people actually want that or
Speaker 3: is it something we just say we want to see
Speaker 3: better design, we want to see this, And then you
Speaker 3: start to realize the thin line between aspirational and necessity.
Speaker 3: So yeah, Like for me, it's like I divide things
Speaker 3: into two parts, products that are aspirational and products that
Speaker 3: are necessity. And the necessity products are the things that
Speaker 3: I'm mostly focused on. But then again, I think about
Speaker 3: how far can I vertically integrate those ideas. If I
Speaker 3: have an app that, for example, tells people on their phone,
Speaker 3: like you know, when COVID nineteen or when there's a
Speaker 3: surge in their area, if I can't design it from
Speaker 3: my home and then build it and then distribute it
Speaker 3: off of my home, then I probably won't work on it.
Speaker 3: So I vertically into early but that's my design. I
Speaker 3: know that was a long answer.
Speaker 2: But no, that's amazing.
Speaker 1: Have there been any projects that you've worked on that
Speaker 1: you've really kind of you felt like you've grown a
Speaker 1: lot having worked on them. Were there any projects that
Speaker 1: you feel like taught you a lot as you did
Speaker 1: as you did them?
Speaker 3: I would most likely say either my collaboration with Nipsey
Speaker 3: Hustle back in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 1: Okay, quick side note for those who aren't familiar. Nipsey Hustle,
Speaker 1: la born rapper and activist who also started the Marathon
Speaker 1: clothing store, The first smart store of its kind that
Speaker 1: offered consumers special digital experiences in the store and unlocked
Speaker 1: extras with their purchases of Crenshaw shirts and Victory Lap
Speaker 1: snapback caps. And Idris explains how that collaboration came to be,
Speaker 1: and he backs up a step to describe the project
Speaker 1: that he was working on when he met Nipsey.
Speaker 3: Or the way I have to phrase this now is
Speaker 3: a software that I built called ACDI Autonomous Collision Detection
Speaker 3: Interface that I pitched and had several meetings with Uber about.
Speaker 3: But I have this censor right in front of me
Speaker 3: here that we're now refining. We're like a version five
Speaker 3: point zero. We've designed our own chip under a company
Speaker 3: called Spatial Laps that I started. I was creating this
Speaker 3: system that would basically using machine learning, we would be
Speaker 3: able to detect a driver's hand position in the car
Speaker 3: and it cognitively would learn about how you drove and
Speaker 3: one assist you in driving. So the device can capture
Speaker 3: frames that up to three hundred to four hundred frames
Speaker 3: per second using infrared light, it would be able to
Speaker 3: get your hand position in the car in milliseconds and
Speaker 3: be able to do evasive maneuvers around it. So let's
Speaker 3: just say you were texting and driving, but in a
Speaker 3: very likely a layman's or base way, it would be
Speaker 3: able to do a fifty to fifty percent distribution. So
Speaker 3: you're driving, you'd start texting, you're looking up and down.
Speaker 3: The car engages and knows that you're in a texting mode,
Speaker 3: and so it would assist you with driving. If you
Speaker 3: immediately let your hands go off of the car, it
Speaker 3: would engage full autonomy, and the moment that you put
Speaker 3: it back on a wheel, it would let you like
Speaker 3: control it again. Wow.
Speaker 1: So this system would not only automate the driving, but
Speaker 1: figure out when you need help, like a perfect significant
Speaker 1: other who knows when to swoop in and bring you
Speaker 1: a cookie and when to leave you alone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so the software. After I created it, I was like,
Speaker 3: you know what, I had this ultimate epiphany about just
Speaker 3: something that was coming in especially with ownership as it
Speaker 3: related to especially a lot of people of color and minorities, Africans,
Speaker 3: you know, like you're just in general. And I was like,
Speaker 3: the youth aren't given the necessary skill sets Because I
Speaker 3: went to a public school to be able to create
Speaker 3: the level that I did.
Speaker 1: Remember that while the rest of us were going to
Speaker 1: bought mitzvahs and growing our first wisps of a mustache.
Speaker 1: I dresses. Profound curiosity led him behind the Google fortress
Speaker 1: walls at thirteen.
Speaker 3: To me, it's the equivalent of like going in and
Speaker 3: working for the greatest fashion houses. And it's like painting
Speaker 3: the Systine Chapel and then not and no one else
Speaker 3: can do it because you have the skill sets on
Speaker 3: how to build it. It's like having the answers to
Speaker 3: how the pyramids were built, but you're the only personality
Speaker 3: how to do it. So I wanted to get more
Speaker 3: youth and younger kids, especially of color, to get into technology.
Speaker 3: And the only reason or the only way I could
Speaker 3: do that is if it was if I made technology cool.
Speaker 3: It had to be cool, you know, because we look
Speaker 3: up to the celebrities and the athletes because they break
Speaker 3: the mold. Very few of us get to escape our
Speaker 3: reality and actually live our dreams. But what if I
Speaker 3: could create systems and I could repurpose my code to
Speaker 3: instead of serving gimmicky you know values, what if I
Speaker 3: could reuse those same algorithms and then sale to create
Speaker 3: something else. So ironically, like I was sitting in a
Speaker 3: Starbucks one time, which I never go to because I
Speaker 3: don't drink coffee. Yeah, but something to I had left.
Speaker 3: I've always been a library and right like, I always
Speaker 3: loved going to So I went to the Levy Library,
Speaker 3: you know, at USC on Figuoa. Something told me to
Speaker 3: go to the Starbucks. I go into the Starbucks, I
Speaker 3: sit down and I'm literally modifying this software that I'm
Speaker 3: telling you about.
Speaker 1: This was the ACDI software that he was working on,
Speaker 1: just coding in a Starbucks on fig when Nipsey came
Speaker 1: in because his daughter had to use the bathroom. So
Speaker 1: good thing Idris did not have a laptop privacy screen
Speaker 1: because Nipsy spies what he's working on.
Speaker 3: I'm coding it literally like modifying it, and then in
Speaker 3: comes you know, Nipsey Hustle, and then he paces back
Speaker 3: and forth four times, sees what I'm doing my computer,
Speaker 3: and eventually it's like, yo, this is so crazy, like
Speaker 3: what you're doing, and he approaches me in a very
Speaker 3: respectful way. He's like, sir, could you tell me what
Speaker 3: you're doing? And I'd let him know what I was doing.
Speaker 3: And then we came together and we created the Marathon
Speaker 3: Store Nipsey.
Speaker 1: You described the concept of the store in twenty seventeen
Speaker 1: on LA's Power one O six radio.
Speaker 5: Well, it's basically, there's gonna be an app that you
Speaker 5: can download to activate the smart features of the store.
Speaker 5: It's gonna be the Marathon Store App. And basically, you
Speaker 5: know when you walk into the store, there's gonna be
Speaker 5: tags that you know, gonna have content. So tags are
Speaker 5: the clothing. So a certain shirt, right, We'll promote the
Speaker 5: shirt and it'll be a piece of content that's programmed
Speaker 5: specifically to this shirt, so that you know, when the
Speaker 5: shirt drops, you get the shirt, but then you also
Speaker 5: get a piece of content that's not on iTunes, that's
Speaker 5: not on YouTube, that is in the cloud.
Speaker 1: In the interview, he also praises I Address a Bunch
Speaker 1: for his vision and advocates for more kids learning STEM
Speaker 1: and the two of them working Gather created not just
Speaker 1: a landmark in the Crenshaw District of Los Angeles, but
Speaker 1: on the whole commercial landscape.
Speaker 3: Which would go on to inspire a whole culture of artists, performers,
Speaker 3: you know, to think differently about their brand and how
Speaker 3: they can use technology to enhance it. Twenty one Savage
Speaker 3: Right who's known as like, you know, I'm sure you
Speaker 3: know he's like notoriously known as like a rapper, right,
Speaker 3: but I'm touring in one faux al ain't a way
Speaker 3: on the switch. He did a collaboration with Spotify on
Speaker 3: machine learning. After he came in and saw that we
Speaker 3: were using artificial intelligence and geo fencing to deliver music
Speaker 3: exclusively to the fads without the need of middle people,
Speaker 3: he was inspired to go do a machine learning collaboration
Speaker 3: with Spotify where they had this app that you would
Speaker 3: just hold your phone. He has this like famous tagline
Speaker 3: Issa It's a knife, So you would just hold your
Speaker 3: phone over different parts of different objects. The machine learning
Speaker 3: algorithm would automatically detect what it is and it would
Speaker 3: say what it was. So it's a cup, it's a hat,
Speaker 3: it's it is. And I thought it was so genius
Speaker 3: because that's what's going to get more kids, and that's
Speaker 3: what's going to gravitate more people to getting into technology.
Speaker 3: So I mean to answer your question, those are the
Speaker 3: two things that are the two pivotal moments, like you
Speaker 3: know in my pre like twenties where like I felt
Speaker 3: like that really changed it for me, understanding that I
Speaker 3: could repurpose my code from going to creating a platform
Speaker 3: called ACDI Autonomous Colleton Detection Interface, which I pitched to
Speaker 3: a company like Uber, to repurposing that same code and
Speaker 3: creating a system for you know, musicians to be able
Speaker 3: to DJ using their heads and then meeting Nipsey Household.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Nipsey passed away on March thirty first, twenty nineteen, from
Speaker 1: gunshot wounds sustained in the parking lot of the Marathon store.
Speaker 1: He was thirty three. Twenty thousand mourners showed up in
Speaker 1: his memorial at Staple Center in LA and lined a
Speaker 1: nearly marit on length funeral procession through the streets of
Speaker 1: Los Angeles. And Nipsey was an outspoken advocate for peace
Speaker 1: and for opportunity and for learning. And he had actually
Speaker 1: been due the next day to meet with community members
Speaker 1: about reducing gang violence in his beloved neighborhood. And what
Speaker 1: was it like working with him too?
Speaker 3: Nipsey, He's just an amazing He was and is an
Speaker 3: amazing human being. And I think whereas like past political
Speaker 3: black leaders gave us like political power, he was all
Speaker 3: about economic empowerment and giving you economic power there's three
Speaker 3: things that you need to change a community. You need
Speaker 3: buying power, you need economic power, and you need political power.
Speaker 3: But political power and buying power need a resource to
Speaker 3: be able to They need to feel, and that is
Speaker 3: economic power. So that's what his messaging was. And I
Speaker 3: think it all makes sense to me now how everything
Speaker 3: happened and the reason why he chose me to really
Speaker 3: like and it highlighted me and went so hard for
Speaker 3: me because he knew I was like one of the
Speaker 3: only people around him in a circle that could articulate
Speaker 3: the full complexity of how his mind worked and how
Speaker 3: deep it went. This was not no ordinary rapper. This
Speaker 3: was not no ordinary person. This man understood a lot
Speaker 3: of things, and had he been here, I would I
Speaker 3: feel very comfortable putting him part apart with being like
Speaker 3: our modern day jay Z, you know, in terms of
Speaker 3: cultural influence. But yeah, I mean, you know, he was
Speaker 3: my brother, protector. We traveled all together, they did a
Speaker 3: lot of amazing things together, and we're you know, I'm
Speaker 3: just going to continue working. But to answer a question
Speaker 3: like it was a very amazing, lovely, uh time spent
Speaker 3: with him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm so sorry for the loss on that his
Speaker 1: accused of sailant, a former childhood friend, was arrested two
Speaker 1: days after the murder and awaits trial. Nipsey Hussle went
Speaker 1: on to win multiple Grammys posthumously earlier this year. Something
Speaker 1: that is that's really striking about you is you are
Speaker 1: You're so obviously like focused and passionate about what you do,
Speaker 1: and you're also so good at having an opportunity and
Speaker 1: taking full advantage of it, you know, of showing up
Speaker 1: when the opportunity kind of knocks. And you know, do
Speaker 1: you are you ever called to give advice to people
Speaker 1: who you know are have less confidence or aren't sure
Speaker 1: that they could accomplish anything near what you have asking
Speaker 1: for myself because I will shamelessly take any and all
Speaker 1: advice this dude has to offer, but also for you know,
Speaker 1: the youth gen z's and beyond.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think even now, like I was
Speaker 3: just reading a Wall Street Journal article earlier about how
Speaker 3: like the coronavirus is going to shape is going to
Speaker 3: literally shift the paradigm for an unfinished generation's social skills. Gens. See,
Speaker 3: like these kids that are now eight and nine, ten,
Speaker 3: or even like five or six, they're going to completely
Speaker 3: grow up in a completely different world now because of coronavirus,
Speaker 3: you know, and so what it means to be social
Speaker 3: is going to be different. What it means to interact
Speaker 3: facetiming or video calling or even volumetric like, you know,
Speaker 3: certain things have to happen for us to go into
Speaker 3: new ages of time, right, scientists have to try and
Speaker 3: get us to the moon, and you know, create a
Speaker 3: new technology and mistakenly create microwave, and now we all
Speaker 3: have microwaves in our house. That scene in Star Wars
Speaker 3: and New Hope where you have Princess Leiah, you know
Speaker 3: R two D two projecting her hologram and her telling
Speaker 3: obi wan kan help, obi wan kanumbi, you're our only
Speaker 3: hope for us to get to that level, for us
Speaker 3: to get to the shift, certain things needed to take
Speaker 3: place in the world. And so to me, like I'm
Speaker 3: a huge spiritualist and stuff. So what I tell like
Speaker 3: people around me, whether it's now in terms of advice
Speaker 3: or whatever or in the past, is like there's always
Speaker 3: a blessing behind every single thing that happens. And when
Speaker 3: we talk about that hologram age in recent events, what's
Speaker 3: going on in the world, what's happening right now is
Speaker 3: going to force that to happen now because we're going
Speaker 3: to have to rethink media. Magic Leap, the company that
Speaker 3: makes those like you know, mixed reality goggles and hollow lens,
Speaker 3: are going to be way more powerful and needed now
Speaker 3: right when you you know, ask me, like, what advice
Speaker 3: do I give to people? It's the advice is simply
Speaker 3: just be dynamic. Even when I have like kids come
Speaker 3: up to me like what programming language? I feel that
Speaker 3: if I tell children, if I tell young kids what
Speaker 3: programming languages they should they shouldn't force Especially when those
Speaker 3: kids coming out to me are like minorities, I feel
Speaker 3: like I'm not giving them the right information, the right
Speaker 3: information for me to say to those kids to be
Speaker 3: learn how to be dynamic because one programming language is
Speaker 3: not going to be it. You know, new programming language
Speaker 3: will be created, but you know what won't be new,
Speaker 3: Your ability to dynamically think. Train that muscle in your
Speaker 3: brain to be able to be adaptable. Teaching kids the
Speaker 3: importance of not only just you know, going to the
Speaker 3: river and giving them a fishing rod, but also letting
Speaker 3: them know that they might not be able to fish
Speaker 3: all year round. Even if they have a fishing rod,
Speaker 3: So teaching them how to go to other beaches and
Speaker 3: other oceans to fish, and how to identify the flow
Speaker 3: of current and when fish are coming and when they're
Speaker 3: not coming, teaching them the high levels right, thinking about it,
Speaker 3: very dynamically, thinking about how to help the youth in
Speaker 3: such a way that it's not in now. So my
Speaker 3: advice is really centered around balance and not even the future,
Speaker 3: but ballants right, information of the current is by default
Speaker 3: already information of the past. As we're communicating right now,
Speaker 3: the things we're saying, the things we're talking about right
Speaker 3: now even involves to mention a new technology that has
Speaker 3: a six week shelf life. A year from now, we
Speaker 3: got on new iPhones, and then we're talking about something else,
Speaker 3: says my advice to any kid or anyone. Really, I
Speaker 3: feel like we're all kids. We're all children in the
Speaker 3: most respectful and honorable way. We are all children, and
Speaker 3: children are the most creative people, and I believe we
Speaker 3: all want to be considered creative.
Speaker 1: I dress says that we must all accept that we
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Speaker 1: Okay, on to your questions. Can I ask you a
Speaker 1: few questions from listeners who knew that you were coming on?
Speaker 3: Yes, of course, please thank you.
Speaker 1: I'll run through like lightning round. Michelle Jacobs wants to
Speaker 1: know if you have a favorite programming language and why,
Speaker 1: or if you have a few that you would break
Speaker 1: down to sort of tell people to start looking at.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean personally, I mean I started off with Java,
Speaker 3: and Java is one of the most you know, it's
Speaker 3: not only just one of the oldest programming languages that
Speaker 3: we I still currently use today, but more importantly, it's
Speaker 3: a programming language that is like the grandfather of all
Speaker 3: other programming languages. Right, there's different forms of programming languages.
Speaker 3: There's different languages, and then there's different like broken versions
Speaker 3: of those languages. Right. So you think of like English,
Speaker 3: and then there's like the British English, then there's the
Speaker 3: American English. Then there's like patois you know, and then
Speaker 3: there's like broke pitchin English. Right, And in programming there's
Speaker 3: a very wide array for a different application of what
Speaker 3: you're doing. There are like array languages there, like assembly.
Speaker 3: There's just so many. There's compiled languages.
Speaker 1: Okay, I looked it up in Wikipedia lists over fifty
Speaker 1: types of programming languages. How exciting. Why are there so many?
Speaker 3: It depends on what you're what you're doing. But personally,
Speaker 3: my one of my favorite programming languages is not Java.
Speaker 3: Actually that's just a language I started with. I really
Speaker 3: love c I love c sharp, And the reason why
Speaker 3: I love c sharp is obviously it has way more
Speaker 3: memory advantages and speed improvements over Java. But the thing
Speaker 3: I love about c most important is because it's really
Speaker 3: widely accepted. I can compile that on my map computer
Speaker 3: running like Bootcamp or running parallel desktop, side by side
Speaker 3: with the computer and platforms that I in the past
Speaker 3: that I've used a lot of, like Unity, which is
Speaker 3: a game engine. For a lot of visualizations we've created
Speaker 3: in the past, we've built them in Unity using C sharp.
Speaker 3: So I love, love, love c sharp. C sharp is
Speaker 3: one of my favorite languages. But there's a new programming
Speaker 3: language that Google created called Flutter that I love so
Speaker 3: much because I've been using a lot of Facebook React Native.
Speaker 3: So the Facebook has two major program languages. One is
Speaker 3: called React and one is called React Native. And by
Speaker 3: the way, this is another moment for me to go
Speaker 3: back to what I was saying about to build your
Speaker 3: own software, build your own hardware. Facebook has their own
Speaker 3: programming language. It's called phasebook React, which is it's and
Speaker 3: it's well, you know, before people grow me, because I
Speaker 3: know this is going to happen, let me just reiterate
Speaker 3: and say I know that phasebook React is not a
Speaker 3: programming language, and it's a library, but it's pretty much
Speaker 3: a programming language. We can agree to disagree. It's pretty
Speaker 3: much a language. It's a JavaScript library, but it is
Speaker 3: a programming language and as it's currently.
Speaker 1: Used, okay from what I gather. Boot Camp side note
Speaker 1: is a software that helps install Windows OS on Macintosh computers, which,
Speaker 1: like other types of boot Camp, sounds like a sweaty endeavor.
Speaker 1: And a library is a bunch of reusable programming routines
Speaker 1: that a coder can grab so they don't have to
Speaker 1: physically type all of that source code out like they
Speaker 1: know what it does and what to use, so you know,
Speaker 1: you can copy and paste the basics to avoid needing
Speaker 1: like bionic risks to peck all those ding dank backslashes
Speaker 1: and such. So these shortcuts are valuable given that experienced
Speaker 1: programmers can make upward of one hundred bucks an hour.
Speaker 1: In case you were interested in learning to code.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I had been using a lot of Facebook React Native,
Speaker 3: and the difference between React and React Native is one
Speaker 3: of them is like simply in Layman's term, is just
Speaker 3: a web browser being hosted on an app form, and
Speaker 3: the other allows you to use native components that are
Speaker 3: native to device specifics like having Android or iOS. But
Speaker 3: not to confuse anybody, Let's just keep it like risk.
Speaker 3: I think my favorite language is c sharp.
Speaker 2: Okay, Oh that's amazing. That's so good to know.
Speaker 1: There were some people who were asking questions about Python,
Speaker 1: like Anna Valerie as any tips or tricks learning coding
Speaker 1: as a quote old dog, I wasn't taught are in school,
Speaker 1: and I'm finding myself needing it for positions in my field.
Speaker 1: And then some people were saying start with Python. Python
Speaker 1: by the bye it was born in nineteen ninety one
Speaker 1: and it's known for having really readable code and a
Speaker 1: big library so you can grab existing source code from
Speaker 1: the community and modify it, and it's used for websites
Speaker 1: and desktop applications, also for really complicated data analysis, and
Speaker 1: back end developers use it to communicate database information to
Speaker 1: the browser. And after many years, Python two just got
Speaker 1: retired and a new version of three point nine was
Speaker 1: just released. So is Python like a better trick for
Speaker 1: old dogs?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, I mean I think Python is. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's mostly used as a back end programming language. Okay,
Speaker 3: so there's you know, there's different forms of programmers. There's
Speaker 3: a front end, there's back end, and there's full stack. Right,
Speaker 3: so front end basically is going to be more of
Speaker 3: your HTML, CSS, React, flutter, you know, relating to how
Speaker 3: the app is going to look, all the different programming languages,
Speaker 3: the animations and everything communicating precisely with each other. From
Speaker 3: a front end perspective. Back End is usually like Python,
Speaker 3: you know, no JS, like all the things on the
Speaker 3: back end. So you think about servers, A lot of
Speaker 3: servers are using Python, like, oh, let's pair it with
Speaker 3: like a Linux virtual machine or a virtual system and
Speaker 3: then run it from there. So for anybody that's you
Speaker 3: know that feels quote unquote that they're that they're like,
Speaker 3: you know, older and they missed a lot. There's never
Speaker 3: been a more exciting time to get into programming like
Speaker 3: there is now. I remember, you know, I'm twenty two,
Speaker 3: but I remember being eleven years old having to go
Speaker 3: to a library and read books there. And now with
Speaker 3: just there's so many free courses online. There's platforms like
Speaker 3: You to Me, there's con Academy, there's Treehouse that teach
Speaker 3: you Java from start to finish, that teach you Swift,
Speaker 3: which is Apple's official programming language. Is that I think
Speaker 3: a lot of people should start learning.
Speaker 1: And does I dress like Swift? Be honest, I address.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna say it's easier or not, but uh,
Speaker 3: it's like, you know, I personally don't like it too much,
Speaker 3: but I do know it because I like to build
Speaker 3: cross platform apps. If I just build one app that's
Speaker 3: iows and one app that's A that's double the work.
Speaker 3: So I like to create like That's why I love
Speaker 3: c Sharpen or Facebook React, which allows you to code
Speaker 3: once deployed it all. But I will say for anybody
Speaker 3: that feels like, you know, they're late or whatever the
Speaker 3: three program languages, if I had to give any I
Speaker 3: would say to look out for are Swift, which is
Speaker 3: Apple's official program le language that runs within their IDE
Speaker 3: called xcode, Java which runs inside Android's studios, which is
Speaker 3: Google's official ID, which is powered by Intelligent Jet brands.
Speaker 3: And then I also say Facebook React, which is created
Speaker 3: and maintained by Facebook the community, and more importantly, React Native,
Speaker 3: which gives you access to even more native components. Okay, three,
Speaker 3: and then one more. Actually I would also add in Python, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: because a lot of machine learning stuff. I mean, when
Speaker 3: you're training data sets, when you're getting into machine learning,
Speaker 3: which I think more will start tapping into. Python is
Speaker 3: the language that you'll be using for a lot of
Speaker 3: those things. So four languages, Python, Facebook, React, Java, Swift.
Speaker 1: Okay, four, got it?
Speaker 3: And actually I like five program iguages. So so Facebook,
Speaker 3: React Native, Swift, Java, which one did I miss? Yes?
Speaker 3: So Swift, yeah, c Sharp, Swift, Facebook, React, Java, and Python.
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 1: Five?
Speaker 3: Five? And then I'll also add Flutter Flutter because there's
Speaker 3: no there's a lot, there's a lot, right, there's like
Speaker 3: so many. Flutter is a new programmer language that hasn't
Speaker 3: had too much adoption, but it's so promising and I
Speaker 3: think it might be able to replace. Facebook React and
Speaker 3: Flutter is a programming language created and maintained by Google's community,
Speaker 3: which is very similar to you know, you know, Facebook React.
Speaker 3: But yeah, those would be my topic.
Speaker 1: It's like you're number one, but it's by when we
Speaker 1: mean six, which the same a basic.
Speaker 3: Right, my number one to like because you also don't
Speaker 3: want to like, you know, one thing I don't like, like,
Speaker 3: you know, what worked for me might not work with
Speaker 3: somebody else, right, So giving people like the languages that
Speaker 3: I feel like are not going anywhere, right, Yeah, that
Speaker 3: they should know.
Speaker 2: Now, Yeah, that's amazing. That's such good advice. So that's six.
Speaker 1: We got six Python, Facebook React, Flutter, Java Swift, and
Speaker 1: Idress's secret Darling see sharp. I love this question from
Speaker 1: me handlebars first time question answer wants to know what
Speaker 1: is the most cringey depiction of programming you've seen in
Speaker 1: mainstream media and did anyone ever get it right? Have
Speaker 1: you ever seen programmers depicted in a movie or TV where
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, come on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think the funniest thing is like,
Speaker 3: and you know, the tech community will understand this when
Speaker 3: like somebody's like writing a syntax or in a terminal
Speaker 3: on a computer and they literally I don't know if
Speaker 3: you'll be able to hear this, but then they do this. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's like no programmer works that way. And this is
Speaker 3: like internal joke. We know, we all, you know, we
Speaker 3: get up, we stretch, then we crack our fingers and
Speaker 3: we're like, what should I create today? And next thing
Speaker 3: you know, you're on GitHub looking at other people's coat
Speaker 3: and copying and pasting it into yours. So it's like,
Speaker 3: we know, we all don't like just be like typeing
Speaker 3: like that. But I mean, I think the media obviously
Speaker 3: is always going to do like you know, Top Gun, right,
Speaker 3: they brought like the guy from you know, a real
Speaker 3: Air Force, yeah pilot to come in and be like
Speaker 3: what you think about Top Gun? What you think they
Speaker 3: brought a pilot to review call of duty for battlefield
Speaker 3: or something about that scene where like the plane He's like,
Speaker 3: that would never happen, that would never happen. But I think,
Speaker 3: like it's so funny, you know, it's humorous. And I
Speaker 3: mean Bill Gates himself said, and I mean I'm not
Speaker 3: from Silicon Valley, but I go there a lot. And
Speaker 3: Bill Gates said, like shows like Silicon Valley they do
Speaker 3: a very good job at portraying, you know, like what
Speaker 3: tech is. But I think about like mister Robot and
Speaker 3: all these other you know, like shows. Yeah, probably that's
Speaker 3: that's my most cringey thing. You would expect it because
Speaker 3: again I'm a very unconventional architect or designer. I'm not
Speaker 3: going to give you like the tabs or spaces. Do
Speaker 3: you use tabs or spaces when you program? Like those
Speaker 3: are like to me the quality ones that everyone expects
Speaker 3: you to say. But for me, it's really just like
Speaker 3: how the reality of being a programmer is you're always learning,
Speaker 3: just like the English language, You're learning new words all
Speaker 3: day and anyone that comes up and tells you that
Speaker 3: they know everything, and I mean, I'll be away of that.
Speaker 3: I'm learning a lot. I even sometimes google things or
Speaker 3: go on YouTube. The difficulty is majority of the times
Speaker 3: that I'm trying to I'm doing my best to program
Speaker 3: something it's not something that's referenced on the Internet because
Speaker 3: I'm trying to do something completely new. Yeah, but it
Speaker 3: kind of sucks. But yeah, like that's been one of
Speaker 3: the most cringe worthy things, like well, just seeing how
Speaker 3: it sensationalizes this idea of developers or programmers almost not
Speaker 3: having a soul and being very like machine likeing, you know,
Speaker 3: like you know, no, we we take breaks and go
Speaker 3: use the restroom and come back and then don't finish
Speaker 3: our code because we don't know what to do next.
Speaker 3: And it's not always like oh yeah, I don't take it,
Speaker 3: you know. So it's like that's what I would say.
Speaker 1: And of course you can trust computer people to just
Speaker 1: roast each other online.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you've seen like the memes around
Speaker 3: like the starter kits. Oh no, I have like the
Speaker 3: Programmer started kit a monitor that's curved, yes, lining them
Speaker 3: by your computer, not using a regular mouse, but getting
Speaker 3: like those old you know, track like the ones that
Speaker 3: have the ball the mother that book for dummies, like
Speaker 3: on every programming language in front of them, or like
Speaker 3: a mac pro or something like that. It's like, oh yeah,
Speaker 3: programmer starter kit. You know, I'm gonna make a meme
Speaker 3: about that and post it later.
Speaker 1: Actually heads up this question and answer killed me dead.
Speaker 1: And last last listener question, Mad's Clement wants to know
Speaker 1: what's the silliest thing that you've ever coded? Like a
Speaker 1: ridiculous website, just something like so stupid that you just
Speaker 1: really wanted to make.
Speaker 3: I remember this one time I was developing an app
Speaker 3: for a client and then I put an Easter egg
Speaker 3: in the right corner, so you would have to, like
Speaker 3: I think you would long press it, tap or twice again,
Speaker 3: and then long press it again. And it was just
Speaker 3: like this this Kanye meme that would pop up and
Speaker 3: he'll be like, was it for Kanye? No, it was
Speaker 3: not for Kaye, but it was it was for like
Speaker 3: a huge known person. And then like I was like, hey,
Speaker 3: did you know that the Easter egg? And is that?
Speaker 3: And You're like it was. It was just so funny
Speaker 3: to me. But yeah, I mean, I think what I
Speaker 3: love about programming is like, no matter what language you're using,
Speaker 3: the ability to like comment in line. And I think
Speaker 3: when I when I think of clean code, which I'm
Speaker 3: a very clean coder, right, there's just been too much emphasis,
Speaker 3: especially because a lot of the parts of these codes
Speaker 3: or algorithms that are being developed by specific people are
Speaker 3: it's like a production line. It's it's like, you know,
Speaker 3: you see people standing next to each other and then
Speaker 3: they're like handing one box to another. So you want
Speaker 3: to type your code and you want to comment inline
Speaker 3: in the most concise brief way and make it really understandable.
Speaker 3: But sometimes I'd be like, man, I want to drop
Speaker 3: a code. I want to drop a I want to
Speaker 3: drop an inline comment slash slash, you know, forward slash,
Speaker 3: forward slash. Uh. This is just some dope that I wrote.
Speaker 3: Let me know when you see it, you know, because
Speaker 3: I think like we as programmers. That's why the world
Speaker 3: never appreciates programmers, because they're so anal and they're so
Speaker 3: like machine like in terms of orchestration. And I get it,
Speaker 3: you know, but I think we can. That's what I
Speaker 3: feel like I'm here to do. I'm here to show
Speaker 3: people that, like I'm a jack of so many different trades,
Speaker 3: I am a jack of many trades and confined by none.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't desire to be a master of any,
Speaker 3: but I neither decide to be confined by none. So like,
Speaker 3: you know, I feel like I've been put on this
Speaker 3: earth to show people like, Yes, I'm an architect that
Speaker 3: can design like an experience for Kanye and do stage
Speaker 3: designs and build Snoop Dogg store. But I can collaborate
Speaker 3: with Fenci and Prada and IBM on other projects and
Speaker 3: make it okay, make that the new norm. I know
Speaker 3: I'm not. Then there's people that might be listening to
Speaker 3: this and be like he's not a conventional programmer or
Speaker 3: you know whatever they might like say about this, But
Speaker 3: one thing that they can't say is wow, he's so
Speaker 3: multi crafted and multifaceted. He is, you know, part of
Speaker 3: the new renaissance of being you know, multifaceted. And I
Speaker 3: should be too, right. Let we can talk about music,
Speaker 3: but go to tech and then from tech go to art.
Speaker 3: That should be a norm, right, Artists, music artist, fashion
Speaker 3: designer should be working with programmers. In fact, for the
Speaker 3: last twenty years, what I've personally like seen, you know,
Speaker 3: like that being twenty two and so in terms of
Speaker 3: just history is that the people that are making the
Speaker 3: most impact are the people that started off doing something
Speaker 3: and did something completely different. Tinker Hatfield designed pretty much
Speaker 3: every popular Jordan's shoe that ever came out. He has
Speaker 3: an architecture background. Virgil Oblow. I didn't know that, Yeah,
Speaker 3: Virgil Ablo has an architecture background. You know, Like so
Speaker 3: Adam Driver was a marine, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, yeah, just a be of renaissance, like
Speaker 3: it's okay.
Speaker 2: That's such good advice.
Speaker 1: What is the most annoying thing about what you do
Speaker 1: or about programming? What is the one thing that just
Speaker 1: like like just a real be in your bonnet?
Speaker 2: What what does really pisss you on?
Speaker 3: I think, uh, probably because I mean my work requires
Speaker 3: me to have a math as well as a Windows machine.
Speaker 3: So like, for example, when I'm working with like big
Speaker 3: Data or like right now, we're working on a hyper
Speaker 3: realistic we're essentially building a hyper realistic visual operating system.
Speaker 3: I think the number one reason why people haven't been
Speaker 3: able to connect with Siri and Google Assistant and all
Speaker 3: those things is because, unlike human interaction, there's a lot
Speaker 3: of physical or the notion of a physical person behind
Speaker 3: the person you're interacting with. Right So, even though I
Speaker 3: haven't met you in person, I do know that there's
Speaker 3: a person somewhere based off of everything else I've seen
Speaker 3: in the world that is communicating with me right now.
Speaker 3: I think when we talk to programming, I mean, when
Speaker 3: we talk to like these assistants, it's very very very linearly,
Speaker 3: and so we're creating an operating system that's basically a
Speaker 3: visual AI system, and so like in that case for example,
Speaker 3: like I have a Windows computer and a Mac computer.
Speaker 3: My Mac I have like the twenty twenty Mac with
Speaker 3: thirty two gigs of RAM and a g Force it
Speaker 3: has a sorry, has like an n video something I
Speaker 3: don't know, like a I mean, you have an ad
Speaker 3: m AMD Radio Pro five thousand, right with eight gigs
Speaker 3: of video storage.
Speaker 2: But at the same time so hard later like oh my,
Speaker 2: that was pretty big.
Speaker 3: Right, But at the same time, like I have a
Speaker 3: desktop that has two g Force rtx twenty eighty TI chipsets,
Speaker 3: and those are, by the way, the g Force rt
Speaker 3: x twenty eighty TI is the most powerful graphics card
Speaker 3: you can buy right now, and so I have two
Speaker 3: of those two and it's still lagging because we want
Speaker 3: to we want to render out the frames in four
Speaker 3: K in real time. So it's like, you know, for
Speaker 3: means to the thing about cringe worthiness is or things
Speaker 3: that like kind of bothered me going from Windows to computer,
Speaker 3: knowing that the key bindings and the key layouts are
Speaker 3: are separate and at sometimes like I'll be on my
Speaker 3: Windows computer for like a week and then not open
Speaker 3: my Mac at all, then go back to my Mac
Speaker 3: and then I forget how to do certain things because
Speaker 3: I'm like, why, it's just not working.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the muscle memory is like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. It's like, you know, sometimes my
Speaker 3: brain is processing things on such a high level that
Speaker 3: it forgets to think slow and being down. So I'm like,
Speaker 3: oh uh, how do I eat?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: No joking, I take really good care of my body.
Speaker 3: Actually I can't.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine because your your brain has to be
Speaker 1: so quick that you can't just like the kind of
Speaker 1: the trite like a programmer drinking like a two liter
Speaker 1: of mountain dew and a fist full of cheetoh, was like,
Speaker 1: your brain probably wouldn't work as well on that, right.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean I'm very My science teacher in
Speaker 3: high school, she would always she always used to tell
Speaker 3: me that the brain was not meant to multitask. According
Speaker 3: to what she said, you know, it's like, you know,
Speaker 3: we can only good at efficiently doing things one time.
Speaker 3: And the truth to that is realizing that I read
Speaker 3: an article that said it takes the average around fifteen
Speaker 3: to twenty two minutes for your brain to regain peak
Speaker 3: focus after you're distracted for something. Oh, I feel like
Speaker 3: they're you know, sometimes we just be trying to do
Speaker 3: so much and then we forget to focus on one
Speaker 3: thing and complete and go on to the next. Not
Speaker 3: because we were confining ourselves and not because we're not
Speaker 3: capable of processing all that information, but because when we
Speaker 3: get to focus and then create something, our brain is
Speaker 3: operating within its highest peak. So yeah, I mean for me,
Speaker 3: it's like it's really just always about like just that
Speaker 3: peak level focus, right and understanding. Like, you know, I
Speaker 3: have a lot of time in this world, like to
Speaker 3: do a lot of things, you know, So yeah, like
Speaker 3: you know, just pacing, pacing.
Speaker 1: Do you ever have to turn your phone off while
Speaker 1: you're working on new apps?
Speaker 3: Absolutely? Yeah, I have. Like you know, I'm releasing I'm
Speaker 3: releasing a new single tomorrow. It's my first debut like song,
Speaker 3: and it's gonna be like a really exciting moment for me.
Speaker 3: But I was texting my friend Jaden yes today, you know,
Speaker 3: because kit cutting recently was like Jaden Smith, like, is
Speaker 3: Luke Skywalker? So I hit him up yesterday was But
Speaker 3: I only mentioned that to say, like when I posted
Speaker 3: it on my Instagram, by the way, I just followed
Speaker 3: you to but like you when I went on the
Speaker 3: Instagram and then I posted the screenshot of like the
Speaker 3: text with Jayden. People hit me because it showed that
Speaker 3: I had two hundred and thirty unread messages and we'd
Speaker 3: be like, what you got to do? It turned into
Speaker 3: this whole thing. But no, absolutely, do not dods be
Speaker 3: on all the time.
Speaker 1: Okay, this is like very inspiring to me.
Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, I do want to get better at that.
Speaker 3: But I mean again too, I think about how, yeah,
Speaker 3: I love to give people full attention. And I also
Speaker 3: think too, just in the state that I'm in, I
Speaker 3: would rather work hard now so later I don't have to.
Speaker 3: And I think a lot of people prefer the other.
Speaker 3: They want to you know, live their from the youth
Speaker 3: and then work later. No, I want to be like
Speaker 3: and I'm twenty two now eight years I want to
Speaker 3: retire and just go around the world building more schools,
Speaker 3: like what we're working on in Ghana right now, and
Speaker 3: you know, building shelters and changing how cities are built
Speaker 3: from an infrastructural level, using and leveraging AI, you know,
Speaker 3: in agriculture to be able to you know, let farmers
Speaker 3: know what seeds or what crop should be in rotation
Speaker 3: using AI metrics, you know, these are things that I
Speaker 3: want to do later in life. So I'm working my
Speaker 3: butt off now so I don't have to like later.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. That's amazing.
Speaker 1: And this is always my last question, but it's going
Speaker 1: to be hard for you to answer. Thing, But what
Speaker 1: is your favorite thing about what you do? Like, what
Speaker 1: do you love the most about your career and your
Speaker 1: job and your.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the connection to God and the universe to me
Speaker 3: is really important and really how every single thing that
Speaker 3: I'm doing in my life is for the next person,
Speaker 3: because I know that's why I'm here. I'm not here
Speaker 3: to you know, like it was about a numbers game,
Speaker 3: you know, just as from a twenty two year old perspective, like,
Speaker 3: I'm already there.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: If it was about working with Kanye or Rihanno or
Speaker 3: you know, be out whoever it was, I'm already there.
Speaker 3: But if it's about what really keeps me filled with
Speaker 3: humanity is if it's really about humanity, then I haven't
Speaker 3: even scratched its surface.
Speaker 1: Wow, So that keeps you going a lot. Yes, you're
Speaker 1: doing so much just amazing stuff. You're such an inspiration.
Speaker 1: I mean, I also here's where I confess that I
Speaker 1: was petrified to interview him because I know nothing about programming,
Speaker 1: and in terms of cool factor, he might be the
Speaker 1: coolest person literally on planet Earth. Just objectively scientifically speaking, he's.
Speaker 2: So smart, he's so accomplished. I don't even know what
Speaker 2: to ask. So thank you for I'm so gracious.
Speaker 3: Thank you, and thank you. I really appreciate these moments too,
Speaker 3: because it humanizes technology, because I think oftentimes, like even
Speaker 3: in the conventional programming mindset, like you know, programmers or
Speaker 3: people are so quick to like tell programmers that they're
Speaker 3: introverted and tell them that they're they're biotic and they
Speaker 3: don't act human or whatever. But I want to be
Speaker 3: that representation for people to know, like, hey, we can
Speaker 3: have conversations about about you know, neural networks, we can
Speaker 3: have conversations about AI, we can have conversations about programming
Speaker 3: languages and keep it very very simple to where everyone
Speaker 3: can understand it, but humanize it in a way that
Speaker 3: it doesn't feel intimidating. I like to consider myself as
Speaker 3: a I don't you know, I'm not I didn't go
Speaker 3: to I didn't go to college. You know, It's like
Speaker 3: I'm a very unconventional everythinger, unconventional student everything, or I
Speaker 3: just made that word up. Unconventional student, unconventional programmer. Yes,
Speaker 3: I don't program the same way everyone does. But my
Speaker 3: way is what makes me me, you know, and your
Speaker 3: way is what makes you you. And never let anyone
Speaker 3: take that away from you.
Speaker 1: Oh, such amazing advice. You're doing such amazing things. It's
Speaker 1: it's honestly such an honor to get to talk to you.
Speaker 1: I'm just like, and we'll see you better get that
Speaker 1: before it's another message on Twitter.
Speaker 3: Do not disturb. I thought I told you to turn.
Speaker 3: I'm a reprogram my iPhone after this call, like x cat,
Speaker 3: I'm opening up x code right now, you know, like
Speaker 3: I'm about to disable the colonel for Siri.
Speaker 1: So ask smart people just the stupidest questions, because that
Speaker 1: is the only way we learn. And also look, they're
Speaker 1: so kind and so patient. Even if you haven't seen
Speaker 1: Iron Man, and in Idress's words, he says, we must
Speaker 1: not make the same mistakes those before us made. We
Speaker 1: must remember to be inclusive, diverse, and help everyone else
Speaker 1: around us because we are a one race, the human race.
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