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<v Speaker 1>If you take a town of ten thousand people in

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<v Speaker 1>the Alaska Triangle, well fifty of them will vanish this year. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>just to manage no trace, uh, no footprints, no goodbye nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>Imagine you are standing in the vast, freezing frontier of

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<v Speaker 1>you know, millions of acres of untamed wilderness, right dense forests,

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<v Speaker 1>these massive, snowblind valleys, and people are just evaporating into

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<v Speaker 1>a darkness that feels frankly incredibly heavy.

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<v Speaker 2>It's staggering, it really is.

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<v Speaker 1>So today we are looking at the exact biological threshold

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<v Speaker 1>when natural wilderness ends and something entirely inexplicable begins.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that transition is exactly what we need to

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<v Speaker 2>focus here exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, let's untack this. Our deep dive today is taking

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<v Speaker 1>us into a massive like just a huge stack of

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<v Speaker 1>investigation records, field notes, and eyewitness accounts.

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<v Speaker 2>And these were compiled by a very specific team.

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<v Speaker 1>Right right, compiled by three men who went looking for answers.

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<v Speaker 1>So we have Jax, who is a former.

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<v Speaker 2>Police officer, being that forensic perspective exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Then there's Ken and strange phenomena, and Tommy, an expert

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<v Speaker 1>on Alaskan legends, and I want to be clear to

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<v Speaker 1>you listening, we aren't just going.

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<v Speaker 2>On a monster hunt here, No, not at all.

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<v Speaker 1>We are diving into the intersection of indigenous lore, modern biology,

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<v Speaker 1>and the absolute limits of human perception when it meets

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<v Speaker 1>the wild. We are examining unexplained disappearances and asking the

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<v Speaker 1>ultimate question, like what is actually out there in the dark?

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, we have to approach this with a rigorous,

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<v Speaker 2>highly analytical mindset. Right, the source material we are examining

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<v Speaker 2>today walks a very thin, very precarious line. On one side,

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<v Speaker 2>we have the very real, very harsh realities of extreme nature.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the elements out there are no.

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<v Speaker 2>Joke, precisely, we are talking about elements and temperatures that

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<v Speaker 2>can erase a human life in minutes, leaving virtually no

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<v Speaker 2>evidence behind. But then on the other side, we have

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<v Speaker 2>physical evidence and consistent accounts that frankly defy modern zoological

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<v Speaker 2>classifications wild. It is, so my goal here is to

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<v Speaker 2>look at this Impartially, we need to balance the natural

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<v Speaker 2>biological explanations with the terrifyingly inexplicable evidence these investigators uncovered.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, so to lay the groundwork, I mean, we really

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<v Speaker 1>have to look at the inciting incident that brought this

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<v Speaker 1>specific investigation team together in.

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<v Speaker 2>The first place, the twenty eleven case.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, we are going back to a freezing winter's night

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty eleven. The location is the northern edge of

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<v Speaker 1>Denali Park in Alaska, which is incredibly remote, oh completely isolated.

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<v Speaker 1>So we have three friends, Ben, Jones, Mark and Tom.

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<v Speaker 1>They are heading out to a favorite overnight hunting spot

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<v Speaker 1>to look for caribou. Okay, it is rugged terrain, sure,

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<v Speaker 1>but these guys are experienced, they know the area well.

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<v Speaker 2>They aren't amateurs, not at all.

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<v Speaker 1>So they stop to take a break, indulge in a

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<v Speaker 1>quick smoke, and you know, have a couple of drinks

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<v Speaker 1>from a flask, just to warm up in the sub

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<v Speaker 1>zero temperatures. It is classic hunting trip camaraderie.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a very ordinary setup. But I have to

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<v Speaker 2>say the environmental cond text is crucial here. Well, when

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<v Speaker 2>you are in Denali in winter, you were operating at

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<v Speaker 2>the absolute edge of human biological tolerance. The darkness isn't

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<v Speaker 2>just an absence of light. It's almost like a sensory

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<v Speaker 2>deprivation chamber.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, yeah, that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>Your vision is severely limited, sounds are dampened by snow

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<v Speaker 2>or distorted by wind, and the cold forces your body

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<v Speaker 2>to expend massive amounts of energy just to maintain a

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<v Speaker 2>core temperature.

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<v Speaker 1>Just to stay alive.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly. Yea, it is the perfect recipe for cognitive strain.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, and that cognitive strain it comes into play almost immediately.

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<v Speaker 1>So they're hanging out and Ben decides he needs a

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<v Speaker 1>pit stop. Sure, he wants some privacy, so he trudges

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<v Speaker 1>off into the tree line. But according to Mark, who

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<v Speaker 1>the investigators actually interviewed at this exact location years later,

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<v Speaker 1>Ben walks much further into the woods than you normally

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<v Speaker 1>would for a simple bathroom break.

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<v Speaker 2>That's odd.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was as if something caught his attention or

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, drew him deeper into the dark.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is where the first sensory anomaly occurred. Right

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<v Speaker 2>out of the darkness, Mark and Tom hear a distinct

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<v Speaker 2>chilling sound. A howl, just a random howl, but not

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<v Speaker 2>a gust of wind howling through the branches, and not

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<v Speaker 2>a bird, a deep, guttural mammalian howl.

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<v Speaker 1>They immediately scramble, I mean, the camaraderie breaks, Adrenaline spikes

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<v Speaker 1>and they hurry to check on Ben. But Ben is gone.

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<v Speaker 2>What's gone?

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<v Speaker 1>Nowhere to be found, and instead of their friend, Mark

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<v Speaker 1>looks out into the trees and sees something else, entirely

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<v Speaker 1>the sighting. Yeah, let's look at the exact description from

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<v Speaker 1>Jacks's interview notes, because it's nuts. Mark describes a monstrous

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<v Speaker 1>beast standing among the trees. He estimated it weighed easily

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<v Speaker 1>nine hundred pounds.

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<v Speaker 2>Nine hundred pounds, that's massive.

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<v Speaker 1>Massive. He said, it looked like the biggest brown bear

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<v Speaker 1>he had ever seen. But, and this is key, with nasty,

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<v Speaker 1>matted gray fur and crucially, a wolf's snout.

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<v Speaker 2>A wolf's facial structure.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly a wolf's nose and face on a massive bear's body.

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<v Speaker 1>They ran for their lives and well, Jones hasn't been

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<v Speaker 1>seen since.

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<v Speaker 2>It's incredibly tragic. And if we break this down biologically,

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<v Speaker 2>starting with the auditory evidence that how we immediately run

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<v Speaker 2>into a behavioral contradiction in.

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<v Speaker 1>The while, because of the bears.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Howling is a behavior unique to wolves and some

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<v Speaker 2>closely related canines. Bears, despite their massive size, their lung capacity,

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<v Speaker 2>and territorial nature, they do.

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<v Speaker 1>Not howl, wait, really never never.

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<v Speaker 2>They growl. They huff they roar, but they literally do

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<v Speaker 2>not possess the vocal cord structure or the instinctual drive

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<v Speaker 2>to howl. Okay, wow, but here is the critical nuance

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<v Speaker 2>of wolf biology. Wolves generally use howling as a rallying

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<v Speaker 2>cry for the pack. Yeah, it is basically a biological

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<v Speaker 2>GPS system to locate each other and coordinate movements across

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<v Speaker 2>vast distances.

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<v Speaker 1>So they aren't just howling at the moon for fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly. For solitary animal to make a deep guttural howl,

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<v Speaker 2>especially a mass of one holding its ground, it is

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<v Speaker 2>almost exclusively a territorial warning. It is a broadcast and

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<v Speaker 2>an intruder saying I am here and you are in

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<v Speaker 2>my domain.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, but I have to push back here, or at

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<v Speaker 1>least challenge the baseline reliability of Mark's memory. Sure enough,

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<v Speaker 1>we are talking about three guys who admitted they were

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<v Speaker 1>drinking alcohol to warm up and freezing temperatures. It is

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<v Speaker 1>the dead of night. They are highly stressed, their friend

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<v Speaker 1>is missing. We know how the brain works under dress

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<v Speaker 1>big struggles. Yeah, when you are deprived of clear visual

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<v Speaker 1>data in the dark, your brain engages in predictive processing.

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<v Speaker 2>It fills in the gaps exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>It hallucinates reality based on its deepest fears to keep

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<v Speaker 1>you safe, like a game of telephone in the Pitch Black.

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<v Speaker 1>Could the alcohol, the adrenaline, the hypothermic conditions, and the

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<v Speaker 1>sheer terror of the situation have caused Mark's brain to just,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, stitch together the two most dangerous predators he

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<v Speaker 1>knows into one composite monster.

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<v Speaker 2>That is the logical first assumption. And as an investigator,

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<v Speaker 2>Jax points out exactly this concern in his field notes.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh he does, he does. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable,

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<v Speaker 2>even under perfect conditions. When you introduce extreme cold, low visibility,

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<v Speaker 2>and alcohol, the cognitive filters don't just get muddy, they

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<v Speaker 2>actively deceive you. As you mentioned with predictive processing, the

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<v Speaker 2>brain abhors a vacuum. If it sees a massive dark

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<v Speaker 2>shape and here's a canine sound, it might force those

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<v Speaker 2>two data points into a single terrifying image just to

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<v Speaker 2>trigger your fight or flight response.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly, And frankly, couldn't Ben have just walked off in

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<v Speaker 1>hypothermic days?

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<v Speaker 2>What do you mean?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we know people experiencing extreme cold suffer from paradoxical undressing,

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<v Speaker 1>right they feel hot? That they take off their clothes,

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<v Speaker 1>they wander aimlessly, they become profoundly confused.

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<v Speaker 2>Yet is a well documented medical phenomenon.

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<v Speaker 1>People vanish on flat ground and blizzards all the time

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<v Speaker 1>without a monster being involved. Gravity doesn't need a cliff

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<v Speaker 1>if the elements shut your brain down, that.

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<v Speaker 2>Is the very grounded counter argument. But here is where

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<v Speaker 2>the physical reality of the scene challenges the hypothermia theory. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>lean On Jackson actually had Mark take them back to

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<v Speaker 2>the exact spot.

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<v Speaker 1>The same exact spot from twenty eleven.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, Mark called it the v It's a specific natural

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<v Speaker 2>vantage point they use to survey the area for caribou.

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<v Speaker 2>When the investigators mapped this location, they noted that beyond

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<v Speaker 2>that vantage point, the terrain is incredibly flat and open

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<v Speaker 2>for a significant distance before hitting dense brush.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so it's a flat expanse right.

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<v Speaker 2>If Ben wandered off in a hypothermic state, it takes time.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a slow, stumbling, confused process. His friends were

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<v Speaker 2>only yards away and they responded to the howl almost immediately.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, this is the detail that completely derailed my

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<v Speaker 1>logical timeline. I read this part of the field notes

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<v Speaker 1>three times trying to find the missing variable.

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<v Speaker 2>The math of the timeline just doesn't support a slow

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<v Speaker 2>wandering disappearance.

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<v Speaker 1>Right because of the speed.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly, for a human being to evaporate from flat, open

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<v Speaker 2>ground in a matter of seconds or minutes implies one

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<v Speaker 2>of two things. Either Ben Jones sprinted into the freezing

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<v Speaker 2>with Olympic speed for absolutely no reason, which makes no sense,

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<v Speaker 2>or he was subjected to a predator of shocking silent efficiency.

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<v Speaker 1>Right because a bear attack isn't silent.

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<v Speaker 2>A standard predator attack, even from a massive nine hundred

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<v Speaker 2>pound grizzly, is chaotic. It is messy. There is a

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<v Speaker 2>violent struggle, There are deep gouges in the earth, there

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<v Speaker 2>are drag marks.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, there was nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>There was none of that. And when we look at

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<v Speaker 2>Mark's specific, terrifying description of this hybrid creature, we realize

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<v Speaker 2>he isn't the first person to describe this exact biological chimera.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh far from it, And that brings us to the

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<v Speaker 1>mythic context of the source material. We really need to talk.

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<v Speaker 2>About the Amarok the demon wolf right.

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<v Speaker 1>Also known in the region as the demon Wolf. According

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<v Speaker 1>to Tommy, the team's expert on Alaskan law, this creature

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<v Speaker 1>isn't just a campfire ghost story. It has been a

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<v Speaker 1>deeply embedded fixture of Inuit mythology for centuries, and the.

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<v Speaker 2>Physical morphology described in the indigenous folklore is remarkably, almost

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<v Speaker 2>uncomfortably consistent with Mark's modern sighting.

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<v Speaker 1>It's eerie how closely it matches.

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<v Speaker 2>The amarok is historically described as having the distinct facial

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<v Speaker 2>structure of a wolf, the massive muscular body of a bear,

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<v Speaker 2>and standing up to nine feet tall when reared up

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<v Speaker 2>nine feet tall. Furthermore, its behavioral profile in the lore

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<v Speaker 2>is highly specific. It targets loane hunters at night.

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<v Speaker 1>The investigator spoke with a local expert named Ozzie, who

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<v Speaker 1>shared a story from the Inupiate people that really illustrates

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<v Speaker 1>the psychological weight of this legend.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that story was intense.

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<v Speaker 1>He told them about a father mourning the death of

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<v Speaker 1>his child, a child who is suspected to have been

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<v Speaker 1>taken by the amarok. This grieving father, desperate for answers revenge,

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<v Speaker 1>goes out into the freezing wild actively searching.

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<v Speaker 2>For the beast, a dangerous decision very, and when.

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<v Speaker 1>He finally finds it, the amarok doesn't retreat. It doesn't posture.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't behave like typical wildlife exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>For miles just stalking.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and here's a psychological kicker, Ozzie said. The only

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<v Speaker 2>What's fascinating here is how this local Alaskan legend slots

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<v Speaker 1>It really isn't just an Alaska thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Not at all. This is not an isolated cultural phenomenon.

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<v Speaker 2>If you look at Norse mythology, you have fen Rear,

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<v Speaker 2>the massive wolf destined to devour the sun and the moon,

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<v Speaker 2>effectively bringing down the cosmos.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Fenrare in.

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<v Speaker 2>Western European traditions. The archetype of the big bad wolf

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<v Speaker 1>And it isn't just ancient metaphorical myths either. There are

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<v Speaker 1>relatively recent historical accounts of these beasts causing actual, documented

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<v Speaker 2>Precisely, look at France in the seventeen sixties with the

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<v Speaker 2>Beast of jiavodant Oh. That case is wild. It really is.

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<v Speaker 2>This was an exceptionally large wolf like creature, or perhaps

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<v Speaker 2>a pair of them, that killed and partially consumed over

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<v Speaker 1>The literal royal army.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes. Then you cross over to North America and you

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<v Speaker 2>have the Wahila in Canadian lore, which operates identically to

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<v Speaker 2>the Amorrock, a massive solitary wolf bear hybrid that hunts

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<v Speaker 2>in the northern territories.

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<v Speaker 1>Right next door to Alaska, exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Even further south in Michigan in the late eighteen hundreds,

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<v Speaker 2>you have heavily detailed Lumberjack accounts of the Michigan dog man.

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<v Speaker 2>The cultural through line of a giant anomalous canine is undeniable.

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<v Speaker 1>Which forces you to ask why the fear of a

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Why that specific form?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Are these stories just the ancient equivalent of a neon?

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<v Speaker 1>Do not enter sign? You know, a cultural fable design

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<v Speaker 1>purely to keep children from wandering into the dark woods

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<v Speaker 2>That's the anthropological theory.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure. Or and this is the concept that is incredibly unsettling.

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<v Speaker 1>Are they a shared biological memory.

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<v Speaker 2>A genetic trauma?

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly? Does humanity possess a collective subconscious trauma from an

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<v Speaker 1>that looked exactly like this?

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<v Speaker 2>It is a deeply compelling hypothesis. Evolutionary psychology suggests that

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<v Speaker 2>folklore often acts as a vessel for ancestral survival data.

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<v Speaker 1>Survival data. I like that phrasing.

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<v Speaker 2>If a specific type of hyper aggressive predator posed an

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<v Speaker 2>existential threat to early hominids across different continents, the visceral

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<v Speaker 2>memory of that predator would absolutely be encoded into our

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<v Speaker 2>oral traditions and perhaps even our DNA.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>The stories might exaggerate the supernatural elements over centuries of retelling,

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<v Speaker 2>but the core biological warning beware. The giant solitary kenine

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<v Speaker 2>remains perfectly intact because the people who didn't fear it

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<v Speaker 1>So if human memory across centuries and a modern eyewitness

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<v Speaker 1>account are pointing to a real physical creature in the

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<v Speaker 1>Alaskan brush, we have to look at the hard science.

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<v Speaker 2>We have to interrogate the biology exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>What happens when we run these descriptions through the filter

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<v Speaker 1>of modern zoology. Are we just dealing with a freakishly

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<v Speaker 1>large normal animal.

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<v Speaker 2>To interrogate that theory, the investigators consulted with experts in

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<v Speaker 2>animal behavior, specifically focusing on the two halves of this

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<v Speaker 2>supposed hybrid, the wolf and the bear.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, let's break that down.

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<v Speaker 2>Ken visited a local wildlife center and sat down with

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<v Speaker 2>two wolf experts, Stephanie and Channon. He needed to know

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<v Speaker 2>biologically if a standard gray wolf could match the amarok's behavioral.

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<v Speaker 1>Profile, and their answer was a pretty definitive no, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the mechanics of wolf behavior just don't align.

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<v Speaker 2>It all very definitive. The mechanics of wolf's survival are

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<v Speaker 2>entirely dependent on social structures. Wolves are intensely social creatures

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<v Speaker 2>right the pack. Their entire evolutionary strategy relies on the

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<v Speaker 2>pack hierarchy. They hunt together to bring down prey larger

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<v Speaker 2>than themselves. They live together, and their endochronology is literally

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<v Speaker 2>wired for community.

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<v Speaker 1>Their endochronology like their hormones.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, a wolf that is separated from its pack experiences

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<v Speaker 2>severe spikes and cortisol, which are stress hormones. The popular

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<v Speaker 2>idea of a badass lone wolf roaming the wilderness is

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<v Speaker 2>mostly a misunderstanding of their biology.

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<v Speaker 1>So a lone wolf is usually just stressed out.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly what a wolf is alone, It is usually a

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<v Speaker 2>younger male leaving to distribute its genetics, and it doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>thrive in that isolation. It actively desperately seeks out a

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<v Speaker 1>So an aggressive, massive, solitary stalker completely violates the baseline biology.

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<v Speaker 2>Of a wolf completely. Furthermore, Stephanie and Shannon noted that

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<v Speaker 2>wolves are naturally incredibly shy and cautious around you humans.

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<v Speaker 2>They avoid us.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they don't want anything to do with us right.

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<v Speaker 2>The Amarok, by contrast, is described as an enormous, highly

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<v Speaker 2>aggressive stalker that actively seeks out human targets.

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<v Speaker 1>So an ordinary wolf is out. The behavioral mechanics don't fit.

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<v Speaker 1>What about an ordinary bear?

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<v Speaker 2>That was the next logical step.

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<v Speaker 1>Jackson Tommy talked to Mike, a big game hunter with

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<v Speaker 1>decades of extensive on the ground knowledge of bears. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>bears actually are solitary. They are they are massive, They

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<v Speaker 1>hunt alone, and they are incredibly aggressive. If you trigger

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<v Speaker 1>their prey drive, like if you run, they will chase you.

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<v Speaker 1>So far, the mechanics of a bear match the Amarok's

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<v Speaker 1>profile much better than a wolf.

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<v Speaker 2>It does align perfectly until you look at the forensic

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<v Speaker 2>evidence of how they feed.

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<v Speaker 1>Ah the feeding mechanics.

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<v Speaker 2>According to Mike, bears are opportunistic omnivores, but when they

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<v Speaker 2>do bring down large prey, they follow a very specific

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<v Speaker 2>caloric prioritization pattern. Okay, and that pattern directly contradicts a

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<v Speaker 2>terrifying piece of evidence provided by a witness named Nick,

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<v Speaker 2>who hadn't encountered just a couple of weeks prior to

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<v Speaker 2>the investigation team's arrival.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh Man. Nick's story is wild, so It's two am,

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<v Speaker 1>pitch dark, and Nick is driving down an isolated Alaskan

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<v Speaker 1>is very dangerous. Very It's a common, highly dangerous hazard

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<v Speaker 2>Responsible.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, But while he's sitting there on the phone, a

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<v Speaker 1>shadow detaches from the tree line. He says, it was huge,

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<v Speaker 1>easily the size of a large brown bear, but the

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<v Speaker 1>silhouette had the distinct elongated snout of a wolf. Here

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<v Speaker 1>is again, and here is where the mechanics of the

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<v Speaker 1>event get crazy. This beast drops down on the dead caribou,

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<v Speaker 1>violently disembowels it, but leaves the entrails, the soft organs

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<v Speaker 2>It just leaves them, leaves them.

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<v Speaker 1>It grabs the heavy muscle mass the meat and sprints

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<v Speaker 1>back into the woods with incredible, terrifying speed.

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<v Speaker 2>And that specific detail leaving the entrails behind is the

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<v Speaker 2>glaring biological red flag.

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<v Speaker 1>Why is that so weird for a bear?

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<v Speaker 2>As Jax pointed out during the investigation, when bears and

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<v Speaker 2>even wolves make a fresh kill or find a fresh carcass.

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<v Speaker 2>They go straight for the soft tissue first, the liver,

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<v Speaker 2>the heart, the stomach. Fat.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, because of the calories.

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<v Speaker 2>Because in a subzero environment, chloric density is absolutely everything.

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<v Speaker 2>The organs are the most nutrient dense, fat rich parts

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<v Speaker 2>of the animal. Muscle is lean protein, which actually takes

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<v Speaker 2>more energy for a predator to digest. For a massive

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<v Speaker 2>predator to slice open a caribou explicitly ignore the high

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<v Speaker 2>fat organs and expend massive amounts of energy to carry

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<v Speaker 2>the heavy, lean muscle mass into the woods at top speed. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>that completely contradicts basic bear forwarding behavior.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's where it gets really interesting to me. If we

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<v Speaker 1>rule out a normal wolf because of social behavior, and

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<v Speaker 1>we rule out a normal bear because of feeding mechanics,

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<v Speaker 1>could we be looking at a freak of nature genetic

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<v Speaker 1>anomaly exactly. Ken started exploring the gigantism theory, and when

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<v Speaker 1>I was looking through these notes, I was blown away

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<v Speaker 1>by the natural precedence for this. We aren't talking about

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<v Speaker 1>science fiction. Genetics and environment can create massive biological anomalies.

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<v Speaker 2>They certainly can. Gigantism is a well documented physiological condition

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<v Speaker 2>across the animal kingdom.

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<v Speaker 1>Right. You look at hybrids like ligers, the offspring of

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<v Speaker 1>a male lion and a female tiger in captivity because

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<v Speaker 1>they lack certain growth inhibiting genes that normally come from

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<v Speaker 1>a female lion, ligers just keep growing, sometimes topping one

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<v Speaker 1>thousand pounds. Then you have environment driven gigantism. Look at

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<v Speaker 1>the goliath frog, which grows to massive proportions because it

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<v Speaker 1>exists in an isolated ecosystem with very few natural predators.

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<v Speaker 2>Or deep sea gigantus, yes, where.

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<v Speaker 1>The freezing temperatures and high pressure environment at the bottom

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<v Speaker 1>of the ocean force invertebrates to grow incredibly large to

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<v Speaker 1>conserve heat, creating nightmares like the Japanese spider crab. Very true,

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<v Speaker 1>So Alaska is defined by d geographic isolation and extreme cold.

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<v Speaker 1>Couldn't those specific environmental pressures, perhaps combine with a mutated

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<v Speaker 1>gene or a compromised pituitary gland create an isolated, gigantic,

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<v Speaker 1>hyperaggressive wolf.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a highly creative theory, and biologically mutations do

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<v Speaker 2>occur in the wild, but we have to look at

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<v Speaker 2>the mechanical long term viability of those mutations. Okay, what

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<v Speaker 2>gigantism like overclocking a computer processor. Okay, you can force

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<v Speaker 2>a computer chip to run at three times its intended speed,

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<v Speaker 2>but without a massive custom cooling system, it's going to

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<v Speaker 2>melt its own motherboard in a week. Biological gigantism does

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<v Speaker 2>the exact same thing to a skeletal and cardiovascular system.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I see.

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<v Speaker 2>Animals that suffer from natural gigantism, usually caused by a

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<v Speaker 2>mutated gene or an overactive pituitary gland constantly pumping out

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<v Speaker 1>You're just break down.

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<v Speaker 2>They typically suffer from severe cascading health problems. Their bones

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<v Speaker 2>to their extremities, leading to drastically shortened life spans. That

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<v Speaker 2>makes sense, and crucially from an evolutionary standpoint, these genetic

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<v Speaker 2>anomalies are very often completely sterile.

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<v Speaker 1>Ah, so they can't pass the mutation on exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>So, while a single mutated nine hundred pound wolf might

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<v Speaker 2>explain one terrifying encounter for Ben Jones in the year

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<v Speaker 2>twenty eleven, It absolutely cannot explain a consistent pattern of

429
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<v Speaker 2>sightings spanning hundreds of years in Inuit folklore.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, it's a one off.

431
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<v Speaker 2>Nor can it explain multiple independent modern day sightings. A sterile,

432
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<v Speaker 2>short lived mutant cannot sustain a cultural legend for centuries.

433
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<v Speaker 1>That makes perfect sense. A mutant is an evolutionary dead end.

434
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<v Speaker 1>But what if it's not a glitch?

435
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<v Speaker 2>What do you mean?

436
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<v Speaker 1>What if it is a lineage? If it is neither

437
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<v Speaker 1>a standard modern predator nor a modern genetic mutant, could

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<v Speaker 1>the answer lie buried in the Earth's ancient past the

439
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<v Speaker 1>paleontology angle. Yes, this is where the deep dive. It

440
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<v Speaker 1>a hard turn into paleontology, and honestly, the mechanics of

441
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<v Speaker 1>this blew my mind.

442
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<v Speaker 2>If we connect this to the bigger picture, the fossil

443
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<v Speaker 2>record definitively proves that the concept of a massive, terrifying

444
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<v Speaker 2>canine is not a myth at all. Right, it is

445
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<v Speaker 2>a documented evolutionary fact.

446
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<v Speaker 1>Enter the Direwolf. We've all heard the name and pop culture,

447
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<v Speaker 1>but looking at the actual biological data in the source material,

448
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<v Speaker 1>these things were absolute nightmare.

449
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<v Speaker 2>They're formidable.

450
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<v Speaker 1>They were the largest canine to ever walk the earth.

451
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<v Speaker 1>They tipped the stales at roughly two hundred pounds, stretched

452
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<v Speaker 1>over five feet in length, and possessed massive bone crushing

453
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<v Speaker 1>jaws with a bite force far exceeding a modern gray wolf.

454
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<v Speaker 2>Incredible power.

455
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<v Speaker 1>They were so incredibly formidable that they competed toe to

456
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<v Speaker 1>toe with sabertoothed tigers for ecological dominance, and they supposedly

457
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<v Speaker 1>went extinct about ten thousand years ago during the Pleistocene

458
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<v Speaker 1>megafauna extinction.

459
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<v Speaker 2>But the direwolf is just the tip of the prehistoric iceberg. Seriously,

460
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<v Speaker 2>the investigation team dug into an even older, exponentially more

461
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<v Speaker 2>terrifying classification of predators, the amphicionidate the bear dogs. Precisely,

462
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<v Speaker 2>for over forty four million years, these creatures operated as

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<v Speaker 2>the apex predators of North America, Eurasia, and Africa.

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<v Speaker 1>Forty four million years.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, they were among the largest terrestrial carnivores of their era,

466
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<v Speaker 2>with some varieties weighing up to thirteen hundred pounds thirteen

467
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<v Speaker 2>hundred that's a small car. And they literally possessed the

468
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<v Speaker 2>physical morphology of both bears and wolves. The heavy, muscular,

469
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<v Speaker 2>planet grade stance of a bear, combined with the elongated

470
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<v Speaker 2>snout and dentition of a canine.

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<v Speaker 1>It's exactly what marksaw now.

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<v Speaker 2>The fossil record dictates they went extinct roughly two million

473
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<v Speaker 2>years ago due to changing climates and loss of their

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<v Speaker 2>massive prey. But the biological lineage they belonged to is

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<v Speaker 2>where this relic theory finds its scientific legs.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, let's talk about that lineage, the Caniformia suborder. I

477
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<v Speaker 1>was mapping this out in my head while reading the sources,

478
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<v Speaker 1>and it is fascinating how evolution branches out ca Thatiformia

479
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<v Speaker 1>literally translates to dog like from this one ancient evolutionary branch.

480
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<v Speaker 1>Environmental adaptation gave us bears all modern canines, raccoons, badgers,

481
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<v Speaker 1>and like even pinnipeds like seals and walruses.

482
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<v Speaker 2>It's a very diverse suborder.

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<v Speaker 1>Think about the mechanical divergence there. If a walrus and

484
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<v Speaker 1>a raccoon share a legitimate genetic lineage with grizzly bears

485
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<v Speaker 1>and wolves, is it really so crazy to hypothesize that

486
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<v Speaker 1>a hidden crossbred strain of Caniformia, a surviving bear dog

487
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<v Speaker 1>managed to endure in the vast, largely unexplored Alaskan wilderness.

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<v Speaker 2>The scientific term for the phenomenon you're describing is a

489
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<v Speaker 2>relict population.

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<v Speaker 1>Relict population this.

491
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<v Speaker 2>Occurs when a population of an ancient species survives in

492
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<v Speaker 2>an isolated, highly stable geographic area long after it's gone

493
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<v Speaker 2>extinct everywhere else on the globe. We see this verified

494
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<v Speaker 2>in modern science. Oh, we do absolutely. Look at the colicant.

495
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<v Speaker 2>It's a massive prehistoric lobe finfish that paleontologists insisted had

496
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<v Speaker 2>been for sixty six million years, right until a live

497
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<v Speaker 2>one was buled out of the ocean in nineteen thirty eight.

498
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<v Speaker 1>Which completely up ended marine biology.

499
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<v Speaker 2>It did. However, applying that to a terrestrial mammal, the

500
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<v Speaker 2>question becomes one of geographic carrying capacity.

501
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<v Speaker 1>The logistics of hiding.

502
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<v Speaker 2>Exactly how much physical space and caloric intake does a

503
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<v Speaker 2>relic population of nine hundred pound apex predators need to

504
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<v Speaker 2>survive completely undetected by modern biology A lot. I'd assume

505
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<v Speaker 2>Alaska is massive, boasting tens of millions of acres of

506
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<v Speaker 2>untracked wilderness, but sustaining a viable breeding population of massive

507
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<v Speaker 2>carnivores requires an immense continuous food supply, and eating that

508
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<v Speaker 2>much food usually leaves a massive ecological footprint. You would

509
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<v Speaker 2>expect to find countless carcasses.

510
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<v Speaker 1>So we have a creature that shouldn't exist biologically but

511
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<v Speaker 1>fits an ancient profile perfectly. We have drunken memory theories,

512
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<v Speaker 1>ancient myths, genetic gigantism, and surviving prehistoric bear dogs. But

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<v Speaker 1>if you're Jackson Ken, you can't just debate this. In all,

514
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<v Speaker 1>you have to force the environment to prove you wrong.

515
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<v Speaker 2>You need physical proof.

516
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<v Speaker 1>You have to put boots on the ground, bait it,

517
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<v Speaker 1>and see what walks out of the trees, which.

518
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<v Speaker 2>Brings us to the active field investigation. Jax, Ken and

519
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<v Speaker 2>Tommy decided to actively bait and track whatever is roaming

520
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<v Speaker 2>these woods a stakeout. They traveled to the exact site

521
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<v Speaker 2>of Nick's two ter a m roadside siding, armed with

522
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<v Speaker 2>infrared frail cameras and a heavy duty big game.

523
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<v Speaker 1>Snare, and their bit of choice a dead beaver. Apparently,

524
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<v Speaker 1>wolves are incredibly fond of the scent and fat content

525
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<v Speaker 1>of dead beavers, and bears will scavenge basically anything with

526
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<v Speaker 1>a strong odor, so it covers both biological bases. The

527
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<v Speaker 1>smart choice, yeah, So they set up the snare using

528
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<v Speaker 1>a sturdy, thick tree as an anchor camouflage. The scale

529
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<v Speaker 1>wire with native hemlock moss and generously pour commercial wolf

530
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<v Speaker 1>urine around the perimeter just to mask their own human scent.

531
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<v Speaker 1>It was a meticulously crafted trap.

532
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<v Speaker 2>Before they even finish setting the perimeter for the trap,

533
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<v Speaker 2>they begin uncovering physical forensic evidence in the surrounding area

534
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<v Speaker 2>that completely defies standard predator biology.

535
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<v Speaker 1>Oh the tree.

536
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<v Speaker 2>Let's look at the mechanical impossibility of the scratch marks

537
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<v Speaker 2>they found on a nearby tree.

538
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<v Speaker 1>Right, so, Mike the bear expert had tipped them off

539
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<v Speaker 1>that bears often bite or claw trees as high as

540
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<v Speaker 1>they can reach. They do this to visually and chemically

541
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<v Speaker 1>mark their territory, warning other males of their size. So

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<v Speaker 1>Tommy is scanning the tree line and finds these deep,

543
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<v Speaker 1>incredibly fresh claw marks high up on a tree trunk.

544
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<v Speaker 2>But the physical anatomy of the scratches is all wrong. Jax,

545
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<v Speaker 2>who has tracked and seen bear markings his entire professional life,

546
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<v Speaker 2>immediately points out.

547
00:27:36.799 --> 00:27:38.359
<v Speaker 1>The anomaly he knew right away.

548
00:27:38.559 --> 00:27:42.079
<v Speaker 2>Even the largest, most aggressive grizzly bear leads a relatively

549
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<v Speaker 2>tight scratch pattern on the bark. The gouges are usually

550
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<v Speaker 2>just a few inches wide, corresponding directly to the anatomical

551
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<v Speaker 2>width of its paw.

552
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<v Speaker 1>Right because of the bones in the foot.

553
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<v Speaker 2>The scratches they found on this tree were spread out

554
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<v Speaker 2>over more than a foot wide.

555
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<v Speaker 1>A foot wide, I mean, if you are standing in

556
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<v Speaker 1>the cold looking at a foot wide scratch mark your

557
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<v Speaker 1>brain and desperately tries to tell you it was just

558
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<v Speaker 1>a bear, just to keep you from.

559
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<v Speaker 2>Panicking, that's hard to process.

560
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<v Speaker 1>But if you look at the math to make a

561
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<v Speaker 1>mark that wide, you either have an animal with a

562
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<v Speaker 1>paw the physical size of a manhole cover, or you

563
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<v Speaker 1>have an animal meticulously making those slashes, one single claw

564
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<v Speaker 1>at a time, spacing them out deliberately.

565
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<v Speaker 2>Both are alarming.

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<v Speaker 1>Both of those options are utterly terrifying. One implies an

567
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<v Speaker 1>impossible size, the other implies a terrifying intellect. But then

568
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<v Speaker 1>the forensic evidence gets even worse. Not far from the tree,

569
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<v Speaker 1>hidden in the brush, they find the bone cash.

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<v Speaker 2>This is perhaps the most significant confounding piece of forensic

571
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<v Speaker 2>evidence in the entire deep dive. Seriously, they stumble upon

572
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<v Speaker 2>a massive, concentrated pile of animal bones. We are talking

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<v Speaker 2>about half a pelvis of a large ungulate and full

574
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<v Speaker 2>articulated leg.

575
00:28:49.119 --> 00:28:51.079
<v Speaker 1>Joints, and it wasn't just one animal.

576
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<v Speaker 2>No, it's not just the remains of one single kill.

577
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<v Speaker 2>Can counts the limbs and realizes there are at least

578
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<v Speaker 2>six massive legs in this pile, indicating the remains of

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<v Speaker 2>multiple large prey animals brought to this exact spot.

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<v Speaker 1>So what does this all mean? I kept asking myself

581
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<v Speaker 1>on reading this section. Bears are known to cash or

582
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<v Speaker 1>bury their food. Sure they do cash food, right, Mike

583
00:29:10.720 --> 00:29:13.839
<v Speaker 1>the Hunter mentioned that a grizzly will usually drag a

584
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<v Speaker 1>carcass maybe forty or fifty yards away and bury it

585
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<v Speaker 1>under dirt and leaves to say, this is mine, I'm

586
00:29:20.720 --> 00:29:24.640
<v Speaker 1>coming back for it. But this wasn't a temporary stash.

587
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<v Speaker 1>This was a curated, long term home base. The logistics

588
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<v Speaker 1>of this are what really messed with my head.

589
00:29:30.920 --> 00:29:34.519
<v Speaker 2>It is the logistics of energy, expenditure and physics exactly.

590
00:29:35.079 --> 00:29:38.400
<v Speaker 1>Jax points out that a mature grizzly can absolutely pick

591
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<v Speaker 1>up a whole hind quarter of a moose and carry

592
00:29:40.559 --> 00:29:43.680
<v Speaker 1>it a short distance. But grizzlies hibernate in the deep winter.

593
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<v Speaker 1>They aren't actively hunting big game in the deep snow, right,

594
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<v Speaker 1>So what animal has the sheer staggering muscular strength to

595
00:29:51.359 --> 00:29:53.960
<v Speaker 1>carry hundreds of pounds of meat, bone and muscle to

596
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<v Speaker 1>a central location without leaving massive, continuous drag marks through

597
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<v Speaker 1>the forest.

598
00:29:58.880 --> 00:30:02.079
<v Speaker 2>Furthermore, consider that was forensically missing from the bone cash.

599
00:30:02.200 --> 00:30:03.599
<v Speaker 1>Oh this is the creepy part.

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<v Speaker 2>As the team meticulously surveyed the remains, they realized the

601
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<v Speaker 2>bones had been picked clean with almost surgical precision. But

602
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<v Speaker 2>more importantly, there were no skulls anywhere in the cash none,

603
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<v Speaker 2>There were no rib cages, and there were absolutely no vertebrae.

604
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<v Speaker 1>Which implies that whatever killed these animals selectively butchered them

605
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<v Speaker 1>in the field. It took the media's most vital parts

606
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<v Speaker 1>of the body somewhere else, or consumed them entirely on

607
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<v Speaker 1>the spot, and then carried only the massive leg bones

608
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<v Speaker 1>and partial pelposes back to the specific site.

609
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<v Speaker 2>It's systematic.

610
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<v Speaker 1>It perfectly mirrors the mechanical behavior from Nick's story the

611
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<v Speaker 1>beast disemboweling the caribou, ignoring the heavy organs, and running

612
00:30:41.720 --> 00:30:43.519
<v Speaker 1>off with the dense muscle meat.

613
00:30:43.720 --> 00:30:47.319
<v Speaker 2>It suggests an apex predator that is selectively butchering its

614
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<v Speaker 2>prey and transporting immense weight with incredible ease. But as

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<v Speaker 2>confounding as those old bones. Were they pale in comparison

616
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<v Speaker 2>to what happened when the team actually tried to catch

617
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<v Speaker 2>the creature in the act.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the climax of the fe investigation, and it

619
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<v Speaker 1>is honestly chilling, it really is. They are out in

620
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<v Speaker 1>the freezing dark. They have their snare set up. The

621
00:31:06.480 --> 00:31:09.720
<v Speaker 1>beaver bait is hanging there, masked in scent. Suddenly they

622
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<v Speaker 1>hear a thick branch.

623
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<v Speaker 2>Snap in the dark, clear sign of movement.

624
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<v Speaker 1>Something heavy is moving in the brush just beyond their

625
00:31:16.240 --> 00:31:20.960
<v Speaker 1>sight line. Jax pulls out a thermal imager. Now for context,

626
00:31:21.000 --> 00:31:25.000
<v Speaker 1>a thermal imager maps infrared radiation, basically heat. In a

627
00:31:25.000 --> 00:31:29.160
<v Speaker 1>subzero environment with heavy snowpack, a mammalian heat signature stands

628
00:31:29.200 --> 00:31:30.319
<v Speaker 1>out incredibly brightly.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't hide from it.

630
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<v Speaker 1>Right. Jack scans the tree line and spots a light

631
00:31:35.160 --> 00:31:37.319
<v Speaker 1>purple heat trail moving just ahead of them.

632
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<v Speaker 2>They follow the thermal signature, expecting to find the creature

633
00:31:40.839 --> 00:31:44.839
<v Speaker 2>circling their bait. Instead, they come across a small, shallow

634
00:31:44.880 --> 00:31:47.559
<v Speaker 2>hole in the snow, about a foot deep, just.

635
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<v Speaker 1>A little hole.

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<v Speaker 2>It looks exactly like an animal had just started digging

637
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<v Speaker 2>to stash some food, perhaps a piece of the bait,

638
00:31:53.640 --> 00:31:56.480
<v Speaker 2>and right next to it, illuminated by their flashlights, is

639
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<v Speaker 2>the beginning of a stark, fresh blood trail.

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<v Speaker 1>They follow the blood pushing through the brush, and they

641
00:32:01.559 --> 00:32:05.240
<v Speaker 1>walk right into a slaughter. They find a freshly killed.

642
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<v Speaker 2>Moose, a thousand pound animal.

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<v Speaker 1>The sheer chaos of the scene is staggering. The carcass

644
00:32:10.720 --> 00:32:14.240
<v Speaker 1>is violently torn apart, heavy pieces are scattered everywhere, and

645
00:32:14.279 --> 00:32:18.079
<v Speaker 1>the blood is bright red, steaming and fresh, steaming in

646
00:32:18.119 --> 00:32:21.880
<v Speaker 1>the cold. The thermal imager confumes it is still radiating heat.

647
00:32:22.240 --> 00:32:25.519
<v Speaker 1>They literally just missed whatever brought down a thousand pound

648
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<v Speaker 1>moose by a matter of seconds or minutes.

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<v Speaker 2>This raises an important question, perhaps the central scientific mystery

650
00:32:32.160 --> 00:32:36.240
<v Speaker 2>of this entire investigation. You have a massive, violent struggle,

651
00:32:36.799 --> 00:32:39.480
<v Speaker 2>You have a thousand pound moose torn to pieces, you

652
00:32:39.519 --> 00:32:43.000
<v Speaker 2>have fresh blood melting the snow. But when can and

653
00:32:43.119 --> 00:32:46.799
<v Speaker 2>Jacks drop their lights and scan the surrounding snowpack, what

654
00:32:46.920 --> 00:32:47.559
<v Speaker 2>do they find?

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00:32:47.839 --> 00:32:51.400
<v Speaker 1>Nothing? Absolutely nothing. There are no animal tracks in the snow,

656
00:32:51.519 --> 00:32:55.359
<v Speaker 1>none possible, No massive wolf prints, no giant bear, dog

657
00:32:55.400 --> 00:32:57.720
<v Speaker 1>plant to grete prints, not even the tracks of the

658
00:32:57.759 --> 00:33:00.680
<v Speaker 1>moose itself. Leading into the clearing. It is as if

659
00:33:00.680 --> 00:33:04.880
<v Speaker 1>the moose was, to quote Ken's exasperated notes, magically dropped

660
00:33:04.880 --> 00:33:06.440
<v Speaker 1>there by some mystical culprit.

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<v Speaker 2>Scientifically, physically, it is an impossibility. Think about the kinetic

662
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<v Speaker 2>energy required to kill a moose, right, it's immense. A

663
00:33:12.720 --> 00:33:16.519
<v Speaker 2>struggle of that magnitude displaces massive amounts of snow, earth,

664
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<v Speaker 2>and brush. Even for the predator was somehow impossibly light

665
00:33:19.880 --> 00:33:22.559
<v Speaker 2>on its feet. The violent thrashing of the dying moose

666
00:33:22.559 --> 00:33:24.759
<v Speaker 2>would have turned the ground into a chaotic circle of

667
00:33:24.839 --> 00:33:25.720
<v Speaker 2>mud and slush.

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<v Speaker 1>It should look like a bomb went off.

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<v Speaker 2>To have a perfectly untouched, pristine blanket of snow surrounding

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<v Speaker 2>a freshly butchered thousand pound animal suggests either a complete

671
00:33:37.680 --> 00:33:42.119
<v Speaker 2>breakdown of observational logic by the investigators or something entirely

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<v Speaker 2>outside the bounds of known physics.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I aggressively tried to find a logical physical

674
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<v Speaker 1>anchor for this. Could it have been a wolverine?

675
00:33:50.759 --> 00:33:51.599
<v Speaker 2>A wolverine?

676
00:33:51.880 --> 00:33:54.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they are vicious, They attack from the trees. They

677
00:33:54.559 --> 00:33:58.079
<v Speaker 1>are incredibly light for the ferocity, but they weigh forty pounds.

678
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<v Speaker 1>They aren't carrying a moose, and they still leave. Was

679
00:34:01.680 --> 00:34:07.079
<v Speaker 1>there some bizarre micro weather phenomenon? A sudden, incredibly intense

680
00:34:07.119 --> 00:34:09.559
<v Speaker 1>flurry of snow that only filled in the tracks and

681
00:34:09.599 --> 00:34:12.559
<v Speaker 1>then immediately stopped. That wouldn't work right, because the blood

682
00:34:12.599 --> 00:34:14.320
<v Speaker 1>was still fresh and pooling on top of the snow.

683
00:34:14.599 --> 00:34:16.880
<v Speaker 1>If it snowed hard enough to fill a deep moose track,

684
00:34:16.920 --> 00:34:17.960
<v Speaker 1>it would have covered the blood.

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00:34:18.199 --> 00:34:21.760
<v Speaker 2>The complete absence of physical evidence becomes the most terrifying

686
00:34:21.800 --> 00:34:24.639
<v Speaker 2>evidence of all, and the sequence of events only gets

687
00:34:24.679 --> 00:34:30.119
<v Speaker 2>stranger and more confounding. After finding this impossible trackless kill site,

688
00:34:30.440 --> 00:34:34.159
<v Speaker 2>the team realizes they have left their snare completely unattended.

689
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<v Speaker 1>Oh man.

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00:34:35.719 --> 00:34:38.360
<v Speaker 2>They turn around and hurry back through the brush to their.

691
00:34:38.199 --> 00:34:41.000
<v Speaker 1>Tracks, and the beer bait is completely gone.

692
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<v Speaker 2>Gone, without a single trace.

693
00:34:42.320 --> 00:34:45.000
<v Speaker 1>But the snare itself, the heavy duty steel wire trap

694
00:34:45.039 --> 00:34:47.199
<v Speaker 1>meant to catch the neck or leg of whatever grab

695
00:34:47.280 --> 00:34:50.800
<v Speaker 1>the bait, is completely undisturbed, not even tripped. It wasn't triggered,

696
00:34:50.800 --> 00:34:53.719
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't snapped, it wasn't broken or chewed through. It

697
00:34:53.760 --> 00:34:57.199
<v Speaker 1>was just hanging there in the cold air, completely untainted.

698
00:34:57.559 --> 00:35:00.039
<v Speaker 1>And once again, when they shine their flashlights on the

699
00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:03.400
<v Speaker 1>ground beneath the snare, there are absolutely no tracks in

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00:35:03.440 --> 00:35:03.840
<v Speaker 1>the snow.

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00:35:04.320 --> 00:35:07.960
<v Speaker 2>If we synthesize this final chaotic sequence of events, we

702
00:35:08.000 --> 00:35:13.239
<v Speaker 2>are forced to balance two equally terrifying realities. Option one,

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00:35:13.360 --> 00:35:16.360
<v Speaker 2>the investigation team was dealing with a biological predator of

704
00:35:16.559 --> 00:35:22.039
<v Speaker 2>unprecedented almost preternatural intelligence, agility, and luck. Okay, unpack that

705
00:35:22.400 --> 00:35:25.880
<v Speaker 2>we have to assume an animal deliberately distracted the investigators

706
00:35:26.280 --> 00:35:29.679
<v Speaker 2>by leading them to a fresh, physically impossible moose kill,

707
00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:33.800
<v Speaker 2>purely so it could circle back silently bypass a complex

708
00:35:33.960 --> 00:35:38.039
<v Speaker 2>camouflage wire snare and steal a frozen beaver without leaving

709
00:35:38.039 --> 00:35:40.880
<v Speaker 2>a single footprint or triggering a hair.

710
00:35:40.719 --> 00:35:43.639
<v Speaker 1>Trigger trap, which implies a level of tactical cunning and

711
00:35:43.719 --> 00:35:46.880
<v Speaker 1>spatial awareness that borders on human if not exceeds it.

712
00:35:47.159 --> 00:35:49.760
<v Speaker 2>Or option two, we are stepping out of the realm

713
00:35:49.760 --> 00:35:53.880
<v Speaker 2>of terrestrial biology entirely and into the realm of the supernatural,

714
00:35:53.960 --> 00:35:57.719
<v Speaker 2>the Amarok spirit. We are seeing real world physical evidence

715
00:35:57.719 --> 00:36:01.000
<v Speaker 2>that aligns perfectly with the ancient Upi. At Legend, Tommy

716
00:36:01.079 --> 00:36:04.920
<v Speaker 2>discussed the deeply held indigenous belief that the Amrock isn't

717
00:36:04.960 --> 00:36:07.519
<v Speaker 2>just an animal, but a spirit creature that possesses the

718
00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:09.960
<v Speaker 2>ability to appear and disappear instantly at will.

719
00:36:10.239 --> 00:36:12.679
<v Speaker 1>It is the ultimate vanishing act in the landscape that

720
00:36:12.800 --> 00:36:15.599
<v Speaker 1>is already famous for making people vanish, So where does

721
00:36:15.639 --> 00:36:19.079
<v Speaker 1>this leave us? We started this deep dive with the tragic,

722
00:36:19.320 --> 00:36:22.280
<v Speaker 1>very real, and very permanent disappearance of a hunter named

723
00:36:22.280 --> 00:36:25.000
<v Speaker 1>Ben Jones in twenty eleven, A terrible loss, a man

724
00:36:25.039 --> 00:36:27.239
<v Speaker 1>who walked into the freezing trees for a moment of

725
00:36:27.280 --> 00:36:31.559
<v Speaker 1>privacy and never came back, leaving his deeply traumatized friends

726
00:36:31.599 --> 00:36:33.480
<v Speaker 1>with the memory of a howling monster.

727
00:36:33.960 --> 00:36:38.400
<v Speaker 2>We traversed the complex biological reality that massive, terrifying bear

728
00:36:38.480 --> 00:36:42.039
<v Speaker 2>dog hybrids the emphasy on today actually did exist as

729
00:36:42.079 --> 00:36:44.119
<v Speaker 2>apex predators in the place to scene era.

730
00:36:44.320 --> 00:36:45.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was mind blowing.

731
00:36:45.719 --> 00:36:50.880
<v Speaker 2>We explored the incredibly slim but scientifically tantalizing possibility of

732
00:36:50.920 --> 00:36:55.159
<v Speaker 2>a relict population surviving in the vastness of the Alaska Triangle,

733
00:36:55.440 --> 00:36:58.039
<v Speaker 2>sustained by a massive but hidden food web.

734
00:36:58.239 --> 00:37:01.559
<v Speaker 1>And we ended with reality bend field evidence that shatters

735
00:37:01.599 --> 00:37:04.960
<v Speaker 1>our understanding of physics and biology, foot wide scratches that

736
00:37:04.960 --> 00:37:08.079
<v Speaker 1>shouldn't exist, heavy bones that are moved and pick too clean,

737
00:37:08.440 --> 00:37:11.719
<v Speaker 1>and a massive bloody kill site that exists in a pristine,

738
00:37:11.960 --> 00:37:13.400
<v Speaker 1>untouched field of snow.

739
00:37:13.599 --> 00:37:14.559
<v Speaker 2>It defies logic.

740
00:37:14.760 --> 00:37:18.400
<v Speaker 1>It makes you realize the sheer unadulterated hubris of modern

741
00:37:18.440 --> 00:37:20.719
<v Speaker 1>human life. You know, you sit in your warmhouse, You

742
00:37:20.760 --> 00:37:23.119
<v Speaker 1>look at your smartphone with its precise GPS, you pull

743
00:37:23.159 --> 00:37:25.519
<v Speaker 1>up satellite maps, and you think humanity has mapped and

744
00:37:25.559 --> 00:37:27.079
<v Speaker 1>conquered every inch of the world.

745
00:37:27.159 --> 00:37:28.320
<v Speaker 2>We feel very safe.

746
00:37:28.400 --> 00:37:31.400
<v Speaker 1>We think we know all the biological rules. But the

747
00:37:31.440 --> 00:37:36.320
<v Speaker 1>Alaska Triangle proves with terrifying clarity that the wilderness is

748
00:37:36.360 --> 00:37:38.440
<v Speaker 1>still profoundly unknowable.

749
00:37:39.119 --> 00:37:43.039
<v Speaker 2>It demands a profound kind of intellectual and scientific humility.

750
00:37:43.119 --> 00:37:44.239
<v Speaker 1>Humility is the right word.

751
00:37:44.440 --> 00:37:47.480
<v Speaker 2>The systems we rely on to categorize and control nature,

752
00:37:48.000 --> 00:37:52.639
<v Speaker 2>our zoology, our track identification, our thermal cameras are steel snares.

753
00:37:53.000 --> 00:37:57.760
<v Speaker 2>They all completely failed to capture or even comprehend whatever

754
00:37:57.840 --> 00:37:59.400
<v Speaker 2>is operating in that freezing.

755
00:37:59.079 --> 00:38:02.000
<v Speaker 1>Forest, which leaves you with a chilling final thought derived

756
00:38:02.119 --> 00:38:05.679
<v Speaker 1>directly from the closing remarks of these three investigators. Think

757
00:38:05.719 --> 00:38:07.320
<v Speaker 1>about the fundamental mechanics of.

758
00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:09.199
<v Speaker 2>Evolution survival of the fittest.

759
00:38:09.400 --> 00:38:12.400
<v Speaker 1>Right predators evolve over millions of years to become perfectly

760
00:38:12.400 --> 00:38:15.400
<v Speaker 1>adapted to hunting in their specific environment. What if an

761
00:38:15.440 --> 00:38:18.599
<v Speaker 1>apex predator has evolved specifically to erase its.

762
00:38:18.519 --> 00:38:20.159
<v Speaker 2>Own presence, A haunting idea.

763
00:38:20.320 --> 00:38:22.079
<v Speaker 1>What if we are dealing with an animal that has

764
00:38:22.119 --> 00:38:25.960
<v Speaker 1>physically adapted to carry its massive kills without dragging them,

765
00:38:26.280 --> 00:38:29.079
<v Speaker 1>an intellect that can steal beat without tripping a wire,

766
00:38:29.480 --> 00:38:32.760
<v Speaker 1>and a physiology that leaves absolutely no tracks in the snow.

767
00:38:33.119 --> 00:38:36.400
<v Speaker 2>If an animal has perfectly, flawlessly adapted to avoid all

768
00:38:36.440 --> 00:38:40.880
<v Speaker 2>human detection, how could science ever prove its existence. We

769
00:38:40.920 --> 00:38:44.480
<v Speaker 2>rely on evidence, and its primary evolutionary trait is the

770
00:38:44.519 --> 00:38:45.800
<v Speaker 2>erasure of evidence.

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00:38:45.960 --> 00:38:48.480
<v Speaker 1>Exactly, I want you to mull that over tonight. Is

772
00:38:48.480 --> 00:38:51.960
<v Speaker 1>the Amarok just a myth born from our ancestral evolutionary

773
00:38:51.960 --> 00:38:54.679
<v Speaker 1>fear of the dark, or is it a perfectly evolved

774
00:38:54.719 --> 00:38:59.239
<v Speaker 1>predator that, as the investigator somberly noted, only reveals itself

775
00:38:59.280 --> 00:39:00.719
<v Speaker 1>fully to those it destroys.

776
00:39:00.880 --> 00:39:02.039
<v Speaker 2>Because if that is the case

777
00:39:02.119 --> 00:39:03.920
<v Speaker 1>Because if that is the case, it means the only

778
00:39:03.920 --> 00:39:06.079
<v Speaker 1>people on earth who know for an absolute fact that

779
00:39:06.119 --> 00:39:08.239
<v Speaker 1>the Emerck is real, well, they're the ones who never

780
00:39:08.280 --> 00:39:09.079
<v Speaker 1>returned to tell us
