Speaker 1: It's night time with Dan Ray. I'm telling you Easy
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Speaker 2: All Right, this is a relatively complicated story and I'm
Speaker 2: hoping that some of you in the audience can back
Speaker 2: me up on this, and if there is an aspect
Speaker 2: of the story that I'm missing, feel free to participate.
Speaker 2: There is a there's a story, there's a backstory, and
Speaker 2: there's a history. Let's talk history first. Okay. The the
Speaker 2: country of Yemen has been in a civil war for
Speaker 2: a long time, and Yemen was invaded by this group
Speaker 2: called the Hooties, not Hooty and the Blowfish, but Hoodie terrorists.
Speaker 2: According to the White House, since night since twenty twenty three,
Speaker 2: hoody terrorists have attacked US Navy warships one hundred and
Speaker 2: seventy four times, attack commercial shipping vessels one hundred in
Speaker 2: forty five times, and as a result, seventy five percent
Speaker 2: of US flagged shipping has been forced to navigate the
Speaker 2: southern coast of Africa rather than through the Sious Canal.
Speaker 2: Now again from the White House, the current White House perspective,
Speaker 2: and this I believe is factual, Joe Biden took the
Speaker 2: Hooties off the list of foreign terrorist organizations. Donald Trump
Speaker 2: immediately redesignated the Hooties as a foreign terrorist organization. According
Speaker 2: to the White House, their view, former President Biden had
Speaker 2: allowed the Hooties to attack you US Navy ships and
Speaker 2: shut down commercial traffic through the Red Sea, responding to
Speaker 2: what they would call a inffeckless pinprick attacks. Apparently, the
Speaker 2: Trump administration hit the Hooties pretty hard on Saturday, March fifteenth,
Speaker 2: which in of itself is a big story. However, yesterday, yesterday,
Speaker 2: the editor in chief of the Atlantic, which is a
Speaker 2: magazine I'm not even sure if if it's just a
Speaker 2: digital magazine or if there is still a hard copy
Speaker 2: of it, but which has been very critical of the
Speaker 2: Trump administration. The Atlantics editor in chief, a gentleman named
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Goldberg, received the notice on his phone that he
Speaker 2: had been included in a group chat on signal, which
Speaker 2: is called a commercial messaging app. Now, I've never been
Speaker 2: on signal, man, I'm not going to pretend to be
Speaker 2: on signal. I've never worked in the White House. I've
Speaker 2: never been on one of these conversations with the Secretary
Speaker 2: of Defense, the Secretary of State, the head of the FBI,
Speaker 2: and everyone else who was on the chat, the D
Speaker 2: and I director, et cetera, the president's national security advisor,
Speaker 2: Michael Waltz. But apparently they had a conversation with about
Speaker 2: a dozen people from the Trump administration, and somehow, some way,
Speaker 2: it is believed that it was an accident in which
Speaker 2: Goldberg was invited by an aid to Mike Waltz, the
Speaker 2: President's national security advisor. Now it could be that Waltz
Speaker 2: was trying to develop a better relationship Goldberg, and maybe
Speaker 2: that's why they number was on the phone. But the
Speaker 2: bottom line is that Goldberg is basically on a very
Speaker 2: high level conversation in advance of the Hoodies' attacks, the
Speaker 2: attacks on the hoodies, and basically he didn't write the story,
Speaker 2: thank god he didn't. And the attacks took place a
Speaker 2: day or so later, and it was it was very effective,
Speaker 2: very effective attack. If it had leaked out, it could
Speaker 2: have been a huge disaster for a whole bunch of reasons.
Speaker 2: We have from Goldberg in Atlantic Magazine. Some of the
Speaker 2: verbatim conversation that included the Vice president and included others
Speaker 2: including the Secretary of Defense Pete Haig's death. The Vice
Speaker 2: President is quoted As saying I fully share your this
Speaker 2: looks like it's it's haig Seth saying I fully share
Speaker 2: your loathing of European free loading. It's pathetic. But Mike,
Speaker 2: meaning Mike Walls, is correct. And at this I believe
Speaker 2: is heg Set speaking this. We're the only ones on
Speaker 2: the planet on our side of the ledger can do this.
Speaker 2: Nobody else even close. Question is timing. I feel like
Speaker 2: now is as good as a time as any given
Speaker 2: Potus as director to reopen shipping lanes. I think we
Speaker 2: should go, But Potas still retains twenty four hours of
Speaker 2: decision space. And it's a fascinating story because it, first
Speaker 2: of all, never should have happened this way number one.
Speaker 2: Number two, it shows that mistakes can be made, and
Speaker 2: mistakes was certainly made here. Now, when I get back,
Speaker 2: I'm going to talk about what the President had to
Speaker 2: say about it today and what Secretary Defense Heggset had
Speaker 2: to say about it today. But most importantly, I want
Speaker 2: to hear what you think. Is this a minor of mistake.
Speaker 2: I would have assumed that something at this level discussing
Speaker 2: an attack on Yemen, on the hoodies in Yemen, which
Speaker 2: becomes an attack on Yemen. I would have assumed that
Speaker 2: something like that would have been set up by communications teams.
Speaker 2: And why they were on some sort of an app
Speaker 2: that apparently could be hacked is, in my opinion, a
Speaker 2: fundamental mistake that the Trump administration should not have made.
Speaker 2: How the Atlantic editor was invited to join the chat
Speaker 2: is beyond my bay grade. I have no idea. So
Speaker 2: if some of you out there were smarter on this
Speaker 2: stuff than me, that we can work our way through it.
Speaker 2: And of course the Democrats are ready to rip This
Speaker 2: is the first well, this is not the first controversy
Speaker 2: of President Trump's second term, but it's the first ball
Speaker 2: that was dropped. This is the first error. I don't
Speaker 2: think there's any way to describe it other than that.
Speaker 2: So with that, we'll take if you want to get
Speaker 2: on and weigh in on this, uh and tell me
Speaker 2: it is a tempest in a teapot, or you can
Speaker 2: tell me that this is the biggest thing since Watergate,
Speaker 2: uh or somewhere in between six one seven, two thirty,
Speaker 2: six one seven nine three one ten thirty. We'll be
Speaker 2: back on night Side right after this.
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Speaker 2: Okay, this is the editor of the Atlantic Monthly, Jeffrey
Speaker 2: Goldberg on MSNBC, talking about what he saw during this
Speaker 2: White House chat in advance of the attack on the Hooties,
Speaker 2: which came about twenty four hours later. Cut Ford, please, Rob.
Speaker 3: I'm going to be responsible here and not disclose the
Speaker 3: things that I read and saw. I will describe them
Speaker 3: to you. The specific time of a future attack, specific targets,
Speaker 3: including human targets meant to be killed in that attack,
Speaker 3: weapons systems, even even weather reports. You know that the
Speaker 3: government is is. I don't know why hexcepth was sharing
Speaker 3: it with everybody.
Speaker 2: So Hegseth is the Secretary of Defense. Uh and he,
Speaker 2: I guess was on in Hawaii when he was asked
Speaker 2: about this. He's pretty direct. Cut number three, Rob, post
Speaker 2: details shared on signal And how did you learn that
Speaker 2: a journalists was privy to the targets, the types of
Speaker 2: weapons used.
Speaker 4: Heard.
Speaker 5: I've heard I was characterized nobody was texting war plans
Speaker 5: and that's all I have to say about that.
Speaker 2: You meantime, the President was asked and he weighed in
Speaker 2: a cut one.
Speaker 5: Your reaction to the story of the Atlantic that said
Speaker 5: that some of your top account officials and aids have
Speaker 5: been discussing very sense of material from Signal, and it
Speaker 5: included an Atlantic reporter for that. What is your response
Speaker 5: to that, markets.
Speaker 6: I don't know anything about it. I'm not a big
Speaker 6: fan of The Atlantic. It's to me it's a magazine
Speaker 6: that's going out of business. I think it's not much
Speaker 6: of a magazine. But I know nothing about it. You're
Speaker 6: saying that they had what.
Speaker 5: They were using signal to poor date on sets of
Speaker 5: materials and.
Speaker 2: Having to do with what, having to do with what?
Speaker 2: What were they talking about?
Speaker 4: Who?
Speaker 2: The woies? The hoodies?
Speaker 6: You mean the attack on the hood is, Well, it
Speaker 6: couldn't have been very effective, because the attack was very effective.
Speaker 6: I can tell you that I don't know anything about it.
Speaker 6: You're telling me about it for the first time.
Speaker 2: So yes, the all reports are that the attack on
Speaker 2: the Hoodies on the fifteenth of March was very effective. Now,
Speaker 2: whether or not that stops them from being resupplied by Iran,
Speaker 2: we'll figure that one out. But let me work some
Speaker 2: phone calls in here. Let's start it off with I'm
Speaker 2: going to start off with Mike is in Beverly Mike
Speaker 2: your reaction to this controversy, the right ahead.
Speaker 7: Mike, Hey, Dan, how are good? Even can hand me?
Speaker 2: Budy, I can hear you find go right ahead.
Speaker 7: So yeah, I listen to this all day. So play information.
Speaker 8: This is pore.
Speaker 7: I have all of this information for a week and
Speaker 7: he just disclosed the last night before Kelsey Gabber and
Speaker 7: the CIA gab We're going on on a hearing today
Speaker 7: about the situation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well here, I mean, he chose the time to
Speaker 2: disclose this, and and as a journalist that's his right
Speaker 2: to do. I certainly would be a little skeptical, and
Speaker 2: I think you're skeptical of the timing. The hearing in
Speaker 2: Washington today was not to talk about this. The hearing
Speaker 2: in Washington today is an annual was an annual report
Speaker 2: that members of our intelligence community, including the FBI director
Speaker 2: and the c I A director and a couple of
Speaker 2: US military higher ups, were to report to a US
Speaker 2: Senate committee on our status. You know what could be
Speaker 2: told publicly. They might they also do behind the door meetings,
Speaker 2: but yeah, you're right, it was it was. It was chosen.
Speaker 2: The release time was chosen by the editor of the Atlantic,
Speaker 2: and that was it was released yesterday.
Speaker 9: I'm on the phone.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so uh yeah, so uh Michael Wallace doesn't know
Speaker 7: this gentleman doesn't really caddo. As far as the gentleman goes,
Speaker 7: he's been he's he's a Trump.
Speaker 2: We We've covered that. But the bottom line is this,
Speaker 2: this was sloppy by the Trump administration. You're going to
Speaker 2: have a conversation that includes the Vice President, the head
Speaker 2: of the c i A, the Secretary of State. You're
Speaker 2: talking about the probably the the ten or twelve most
Speaker 2: important people in the administration, and somehow it's like they're
Speaker 2: on a party line and on the other end of
Speaker 2: the party line is the editor of the Atlantic magazine,
Speaker 2: the editor in chief. I mean, that's just sloppy.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but Dan, one second, Dan, this signal app was
Speaker 7: installed on on I can't remember the guy who was
Speaker 7: testified today on his computer the minute he got sworn in,
Speaker 7: so he said out today. So whatever the signal app
Speaker 7: ow the political party is used. That app also just
Speaker 7: play information. Other ones use it too.
Speaker 2: Okay, no, no, no, no, I get that. But what
Speaker 2: I'm trying to say to you something of this import
Speaker 2: I don't. I would assume that the White House has
Speaker 2: a communications team in which.
Speaker 7: When they have but they have this app, Dan, So
Speaker 7: what part, what other app or whatever can you use
Speaker 7: that this is what the the political people use to
Speaker 7: communicate with, in.
Speaker 2: My opinion, In my opinion, this has embarrassed the Trump administration.
Speaker 2: The Democrats obviously are going to beat the drum, as
Speaker 2: they have every right to do. If this happened under
Speaker 2: Joe Biden, the Republicans would be as equally as critical.
Speaker 2: All I'm just saying is I think that when you're
Speaker 2: doing something like this, you have to have as many
Speaker 2: people as possible in a secure room where nothing can
Speaker 2: be hacked. My understanding is, and I'm not an expert, Mike,
Speaker 2: but my understanding is that this app so called can
Speaker 2: easily be hacked. Now, it wasn't hacked. Apparently, somehow someone
Speaker 2: made the mistake on the Trump team to basically loop
Speaker 2: this guy in. He got a notice. He'd be like
Speaker 2: if I got a notice on my phone that said, Hey,
Speaker 2: Mike's having a big conversation with President Trump, You're going
Speaker 2: to listen into the conversation.
Speaker 10: Uh, you know, I.
Speaker 7: Get the point, Dan, Yeah, but playing all over the place,
Speaker 7: not everyone is one, Like Trump said, today, not everyone
Speaker 7: is in the isolated location. Well, yeah, I got it.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying, Mike is you're defending the Trump administration,
Speaker 2: which is fine. I would expect you to do so. Okay, However,
Speaker 2: this is nonetheless a distraction and embarrassment. Uh that Thankfully
Speaker 2: the the the attack was not compromised in any way. Uh.
Speaker 2: No US personnel, you know, air personnel were shot down.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 2: And so there's not nice sometimes. I get it. We
Speaker 2: talked about We've talked about that on this show. You
Speaker 2: know that. All I'm just saying is, to some extent,
Speaker 2: if all of a sudden tonight the the Hooties had
Speaker 2: a couple of US pilots you know, shot you know,
Speaker 2: in their possession, this would take the thing. This should
Speaker 2: be a lesson to the Trump administration and to all
Speaker 2: of them too. They got to have a communications system
Speaker 2: that's set up by members of the military who have
Speaker 2: top secret clearance. So the only people who are involved
Speaker 2: in these conversations are the people supposed to be involved.
Speaker 2: This is a cautionary tale, and the White House should
Speaker 2: should thank their lucky stars that there was nothing worse
Speaker 2: that came out of this other than some a little embarrassment.
Speaker 7: I guess my player of the dam having difficultly was
Speaker 7: the signal application is the app that the White House
Speaker 7: and all the politically we used. So you're saying use
Speaker 7: the signal, it's not the correct application to use.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying is that the White House must have
Speaker 2: communications technicians and communications experts who are far beyond my capability.
Speaker 2: I would think that if the President Trump turned to
Speaker 2: Elon Musk and said, hey, what do you use? What
Speaker 2: type of communication do you use when you don't want
Speaker 2: anyone to hack your conversations? I'll bet you Elon Musk
Speaker 2: could give them some suggestion.
Speaker 7: Yeah. But just like I said, the information the advocation
Speaker 7: was installed on. I can't think of a guy's name
Speaker 7: the minute he got sworn in. Recently, I can't. He
Speaker 7: was on Tell the right today, I can't think of
Speaker 7: a guy's name. But anyways, that's what he said today
Speaker 7: that like this is what they use.
Speaker 2: Well, they need they need to find they need to
Speaker 2: find the more secure, they need to find a more
Speaker 2: secure and sale.
Speaker 7: The Trump administration. That's whoever works and whoever does the
Speaker 7: back channel stuff, not the Trumps.
Speaker 2: I think I think we both made up points Mike,
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna let you move on this one. Thank
Speaker 2: you much, good day. I appreciate your point of view.
Speaker 2: As always, were coming right back on nights Side, the
Speaker 2: only line opening six one, seven, nine, three, one, ten thirty.
Speaker 2: Why is it so hard for Trump supporters to simply say, hey,
Speaker 2: this was a mistake and we might have dodged a
Speaker 2: bullet here, and we're going to make sure this mistake
Speaker 2: doesn't happen again. Back on Nightside right after this, it's.
Speaker 1: Night Side with Dan Ray on WASY, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: So we're talking about this controversy that has sprung up today.
Speaker 2: And please if I'm not going to repeat it totally,
Speaker 2: but it involves the White House and a conference call
Speaker 2: that was done on an app called Signal and included
Speaker 2: in the group which included the Vice President and the
Speaker 2: Secretary of State and the Secretive Events and other high
Speaker 2: ranking members of the Trump team. They were talking about
Speaker 2: the attacks that took place on March fifteenth, the were
Speaker 2: to take place on March fifteenth, which did occur, and
Speaker 2: they were talking on Thursday, and they looped in somehow,
Speaker 2: some way. The executive editor of Atlantic Monthly, the Atlantic magazine,
Speaker 2: I should say. And as a consequence of that, the
Speaker 2: Atlantic Magazine editor in chief Monthly Atlantic Monthly. It is
Speaker 2: a magazine. Jeffrey Goldberg broke the story today, and there
Speaker 2: were other members of the administration who were on that call,
Speaker 2: who just happened to be in front of a Senate
Speaker 2: committee hearing today. But I've got callers. I want to
Speaker 2: get to them. We're probably going to spend a couple
Speaker 2: of hours on this. Whatever your point of view, you
Speaker 2: are more than welcome. Let's keep rolling here. Going to
Speaker 2: go next to uh, Mike in Brighton, Mike right ahead.
Speaker 10: Okay, yeah, I got a few things if we're going
Speaker 10: to try to reply to some of your questions here, like.
Speaker 2: The well replied all my questions to tell me what
Speaker 2: you think, Mike, no problem, go.
Speaker 10: Ahead, Okay, Uh, why why didn't Trump just submit this?
Speaker 10: Uh what you asked? H I'm going to say, there's
Speaker 10: there's a there's a yearsen or no to that. First
Speaker 10: of all, he he the the way the Democrats acted,
Speaker 10: your demand, demanding demeaning that they always all these people resign?
Speaker 10: Are you kidding me? Resign the whole half the cabinet?
Speaker 10: So of course he can't say of course, you know
Speaker 10: they kin't. They kind of admit, you know that if
Speaker 10: these people are gonna go like that, and you and
Speaker 10: you have to know that that's way that's completely feigning
Speaker 10: outrage us.
Speaker 2: He characterized it that way back. All he has to
Speaker 2: say is, hey, look, this was a mistake. We regret
Speaker 2: the mistake that the attack. Let me tell you what.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to take a lot of your time,
Speaker 2: but but at the same time, you you're making points
Speaker 2: here that no one is asking for half the cabinet
Speaker 2: to resign. Let's just let's keep it to the fact.
Speaker 2: They were.
Speaker 10: They were, they were, they were all asking that.
Speaker 2: The only person who I heard that they asked to
Speaker 2: resign and he's not going to resign is the Defense
Speaker 2: Secretary of Pate Pete Hag's death. Who else did they
Speaker 2: ask to resign?
Speaker 10: Well, I got more to go here.
Speaker 2: I know you do, but I just want to correct you.
Speaker 2: It's not half the cabinet.
Speaker 10: Go ahead, go yeah. Now, Now the other way, what
Speaker 10: happens if this wasn't a mistake, and there are a
Speaker 10: couple of ways that could might not be a mistake.
Speaker 10: First of all, first of all, do you know that
Speaker 10: this app was was was was invented welling for use
Speaker 10: by the Biden administration. They had on one of their
Speaker 10: computers and it.
Speaker 2: Was just in it over by the was it invented?
Speaker 2: But it's like any app that it is out there today,
Speaker 2: it's available. I'm just saying they now know that there's
Speaker 2: a flaw in it, they should say we're not going
Speaker 2: to use that app. We're going to find the most
Speaker 2: secure app. And they got Elon Musk. Go to him
Speaker 2: and say, this is a guy who puts rockets in
Speaker 2: the air and brings the rockets back to the ground.
Speaker 2: This is this is the smartest guy in the world.
Speaker 2: Go to him and say, give us create an app
Speaker 2: or show us an app that will work. He owns
Speaker 2: to come.
Speaker 10: You're killing you're killing like time here, there's other ways.
Speaker 10: What happened? What happens? What happens if there's a there
Speaker 10: was a mole. First of all, there were eighteen people,
Speaker 10: not twelve that you kept saying, one of which that
Speaker 10: gold were refused to identify. What happens if those one
Speaker 10: person didn't identify, Well, it was actually an anti Trump
Speaker 10: person who slipped this. Uh that that definitely needs this
Speaker 10: whole thing needs to be investigated the Democrats.
Speaker 2: You gotta do, Mike, They're gonna do They're gonna Democrats.
Speaker 10: No, that's what the Trump bud needs to.
Speaker 2: Let him all do it. Let him all do it.
Speaker 2: But why is it so difficult to admit that, Look,
Speaker 2: it was a mistake.
Speaker 10: I do Why because I mean, did you did you
Speaker 10: hear some of that that Senate hearing? These listened to a.
Speaker 2: Lot of it today, Yes, I did you want to hear?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 10: Play some of it for the audience.
Speaker 2: I will in the next hour and a half, I
Speaker 2: promise you. Okay, Yeah, I want to get to as
Speaker 2: many calls. So look, I just I'm telling you that
Speaker 2: the Democrats are gonna take advantage of this politically, Okay,
Speaker 2: matter of fact, they're gonna play right for you. This
Speaker 2: is a Democratic Senator Mark Warner. He's not an AOC
Speaker 2: type Democrat. He's more of a traditional liberal Democrat. Senator
Speaker 2: Mark Warner of Virginia rob for Mike's dining and dancing pleasure.
Speaker 2: Please please play cut number twenty. This will support what
Speaker 2: you're saying. Go ahead, So no cut twenty.
Speaker 11: The signal fiasco is not a one off. It is,
Speaker 11: unfortunately a pattern we're seeing too often repeated. I fear
Speaker 11: that we feel the erosion of trust from our workplace,
Speaker 11: from our companies, and from our allies and partners can't
Speaker 11: be put back in the bottle overnight. Make no mistake,
Speaker 11: these actions make America less safe.
Speaker 2: That's going to be the point of attack. The Republicans
Speaker 2: need to be able to respond.
Speaker 10: I mean, but that's that's true hypocrisy coming from them.
Speaker 10: These are the same These are the same people that
Speaker 10: that lit all the millions of legal immigrants come in.
Speaker 10: They nothing about nothing, nothing about Afghanistan, you knowing grime,
Speaker 10: you know all that stuff. I mean, all right, Okay, look.
Speaker 2: Mike made a lot of good points. I got a
Speaker 2: bunch of people behind you. I gave you five minutes
Speaker 2: some great points. Thank you very much. Appreciate your card.
Speaker 2: Let me go next to Patrick in DC. Patrick, your
Speaker 2: next one nights, go right ahead, and the.
Speaker 9: Hot air just keith on coming, doesn't it? It just
Speaker 9: doesn't stop.
Speaker 7: You know, one thing you got.
Speaker 9: To understand, if we if you want to talk about
Speaker 9: Democrats and Republicans hopping on everything, if they can find
Speaker 9: some hot air, they're gonna go ahead and add to
Speaker 9: the balloon. You know, that's what they do. And keep
Speaker 9: in mind right now it is, you know, twenty minutes
Speaker 9: before eleven. It is March twenty fifth. We have short memories, folks,
Speaker 9: We have short memories.
Speaker 7: This can go.
Speaker 9: By the wayside real fast and here comes the next one.
Speaker 9: It is sloppy. It is sloppy. It is what mister
Speaker 9: Warner said. You know, it's not only but them the
Speaker 9: Presidency or the White House, it's everybody. We're all playing
Speaker 9: too much with these start smartphones, and we're forgetting our
Speaker 9: ground game, and we're forgetting the fact that we can
Speaker 9: really look somebody in the eye, who we trust and
Speaker 9: who we count on day in and day out. And
Speaker 9: this stuff is like getting in the getting in the way.
Speaker 9: There's there's It is cavalier, There's no doubt about it.
Speaker 9: It really disturbs me because the Russians see how we're acting,
Speaker 9: and they can interfere, and we we have no business
Speaker 9: giving anybody the slightest little room to interfere in any capacity.
Speaker 9: I don't in my in my daily life, I don't
Speaker 9: give anybody any room or anything.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, we all make you know, I mean beatri
Speaker 2: We all make mistakes. And I think that the Trump
Speaker 2: administration since day one has been acting at mark mark
Speaker 2: five speed the breaking sound barriers. And I think that
Speaker 2: whenever you do too much too quickly. And I think
Speaker 2: a lot of it has been done quickly, and some
Speaker 2: of it needed to be done quickly. Certainly, I think
Speaker 2: the border closing or the the relative the relative closing
Speaker 2: of the border has been effective. You know, stick with
Speaker 2: you know what you know best. If there is was
Speaker 2: an attack to be done on the hoodies, you know,
Speaker 2: line it up, get the people involved, put them in
Speaker 2: a skiff somewhere, have them talk about it, go back
Speaker 2: and forth. There apparently was some conversation. I think the
Speaker 2: Vice president was advocating against this attack at this time
Speaker 2: for a bunch of reasons. Uh and and you don't
Speaker 2: want that stuff coming out publicly, and it was They
Speaker 2: would be a lot smart, if smarter, in my opinion,
Speaker 2: if they said, guess what the best thing to do
Speaker 2: when you when you get caught doing something wrong is
Speaker 2: simply say I'm sorry, we goofed out, We won't it
Speaker 2: won't happen again. It's very disarming. I mean, that's what
Speaker 2: I think all of us have figured that out. But everybody, Yeah, no,
Speaker 2: I'm just saying the Republicans dig in their heels, the
Speaker 2: Democrats go on the attack. And when Bogrum happened and
Speaker 2: get Abygate happened in August of twenty twenty one and
Speaker 2: thirteen Marines were killed in one hundred and sixty four,
Speaker 2: we forget about the one hundred and sixty four Afghans
Speaker 2: who were killed in that bombing. Is on that same
Speaker 2: day and that same moment, the Democrats were at that
Speaker 2: point trying to say, well, it's not our fault, it
Speaker 2: was Trump's fault. And you know how it goes. It's
Speaker 2: just everybody. The only people thing that people are effective
Speaker 2: in Washington is pointing fingers at the other guy. It's
Speaker 2: their fault, not our fault. And if we screw up,
Speaker 2: there was no one gets you. It's amazing.
Speaker 4: It just.
Speaker 2: We are so badly divided. Anyway.
Speaker 9: Well, I appreciate listening to your radio program. I appreciate
Speaker 9: listening to you. When I get to make a phone
Speaker 9: call where I get to listen more from you and
Speaker 9: pull out a little bit more. I'm very grateful and
Speaker 9: I'm very very lucky, and I thank you very much
Speaker 9: for Wickie.
Speaker 2: Well, I think that this is going to have I
Speaker 2: appreciate that. By the way, thank you. You overstate my ability.
Speaker 2: All I'm trying to do is play a little Devil's
Speaker 2: Advocate with everybody here and say, hey, look, get ahead
Speaker 2: of it. It's always the cover up. We learned that
Speaker 2: in Watergate. We have learned it every time there's a controversy,
Speaker 2: whether it was a ron contra or of more recent vintage,
Speaker 2: get in front of it and say, hey, guess what,
Speaker 2: somewhere there was a mistake made. We're going to find
Speaker 2: out why. We appreciate the fact as opposed to criticizing
Speaker 2: the editor of The Atlantic Monthly. You might even say, look,
Speaker 2: we appreciate the fact that he did not disc closed
Speaker 2: this before the attacks, you know, and he apparently said
Speaker 2: that he did not because he did not want to
Speaker 2: put into harm's way or any any more danger US military.
Speaker 2: So you can think the guy is a whack a
Speaker 2: doodle crazy guy politically, But if at that moment he
Speaker 2: did the right thing, why not be disarming and say,
Speaker 2: I just want to thank the editor of the Atlantic
Speaker 2: for doing the right thing.
Speaker 9: Yeah, that's that's that's that's fair, And I think that's
Speaker 9: fair that they didn't hop on it right away. And
Speaker 9: that's really fair. But you know, to wrap this up
Speaker 9: if you go back listen since I do listen to
Speaker 9: Night Side and you have your representatives. His name is
Speaker 9: mister Wardy or he was Republican from Massachusetts, a state
Speaker 9: Senator d.
Speaker 2: Peter Peter Durant. Last week he's a state Senator Durant.
Speaker 9: Right, you know, since since they're using these apps and
Speaker 9: and they're in Washington, d C. And they have a
Speaker 9: big government job, he brought out the point about your
Speaker 9: city government in the state, and that is didn't you
Speaker 9: see this coming? Didn't you see this coming? And that's
Speaker 9: where I have to wreck.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got a good analogy. Thanks, Thanks Patrick, talk soon.
Speaker 2: All right, one, all right, I've got a couple open
Speaker 2: lines here. We're going to get to Greg and Ontario.
Speaker 2: Brian in New Hampship if you'd like to join the conversation.
Speaker 2: Six one, seven two four ten thirty six month seven
Speaker 2: nine three ten thirty. I just think that the Trump
Speaker 2: administration you don't always have to dig your heels in
Speaker 2: on everything. Look, the bottom line was you had a
Speaker 2: successful attack. I have no idea and they must have
Speaker 2: after action reports and can let us know what their
Speaker 2: success was? Things are going in the right direction for
Speaker 2: them in terms of this and in terms of Israel.
Speaker 2: The stock market seems to be back recovering. Just you know,
Speaker 2: you can say, hey, we're not perfect and there was
Speaker 2: a mistake made here. We're going to investigate it. We're
Speaker 2: going to figure out how did this guy's this, How
Speaker 2: was this guy looped into the call? It's as simple
Speaker 2: as that. Guess what you can do it. I get
Speaker 2: terrified if I put someone on hold when I'm using
Speaker 2: my cell phone, and oftentimes if I'm talking to someone
Speaker 2: and if I don't say to them, gee, let me
Speaker 2: call you right back. If I say, let me take
Speaker 2: this call, and I take the second call, and all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, I realize on my cell phone, oh
Speaker 2: my god, I get two people on here. Can the
Speaker 2: first person hear what I'm saying to the second person?
Speaker 2: And so I've said to the second person, Hey, I'll
Speaker 2: call you right back. I give you one minute, call
Speaker 2: you right back. Hang up, get rid of that, go
Speaker 2: back to the original call, and say, look, I got
Speaker 2: another call. I got to take it. I'll call you
Speaker 2: back a little later. Okay, now my phone is cleared.
Speaker 2: I got a clear conscience. I don't want to be
Speaker 2: on the phone and have somebody listening to my conversation.
Speaker 2: I don't care what it's about. If it's about talking
Speaker 2: about going to the grocery store, just you train yourself
Speaker 2: to do that. Back on Nightside right after this. The
Speaker 2: only line is six point seven two four thirty.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 1: Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: Hey get Greg in Ontario. Hey Greg, welcome to Nightside.
Speaker 2: Welcome back. How are you?
Speaker 10: Hey?
Speaker 4: Dan? I'm doing fine? How about yourself?
Speaker 2: Doing great? Are we going to take take you over
Speaker 2: as the fifty first state? What's going on with you?
Speaker 2: Who's going to win the election?
Speaker 8: Uh?
Speaker 4: Well, I think Paul I'm gonna win that election. Uh.
Speaker 4: The Liberals just put Carney into place now, just as
Speaker 4: the head person, Trudeau stepped down, as you know. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 4: so Carnie's really not you know, he doesn't have the
Speaker 4: powers of a prime minister at this point. The elect
Speaker 4: the election is going to be at the end of April. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and uh yeah, and you know you hear the media
Speaker 4: here trying to spin that. Carrent. You got this lead
Speaker 4: and I can I can tell you.
Speaker 2: There's a great story in the Globe Today Boston Globe
Speaker 2: Today on Connie. Connie was a Harvard student. I guess
Speaker 2: he played hockey at Harvard. Uh. He was, like me,
Speaker 2: he was a backup goaltender, you know, yeah, critical guy,
Speaker 2: uh on the team. But at least he played. He's
Speaker 2: probably pretty good, pretty good hockey player to play at Harvard. Uh.
Speaker 2: But you get a kick out of reading the story.
Speaker 2: I guess one of his roommates was the former Bruins
Speaker 2: GM Peter Sharelli. Uh isn't Isn't Shrellie the GM of
Speaker 2: the Oilers or something like that. I think that he's yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: So anyway, you might you might just google it. There's
Speaker 2: an article and you might have some fun with it.
Speaker 2: Tell us what what people in Canada up at arms
Speaker 2: that that this proves that Trump's going to be impeached.
Speaker 2: I mean, the overreaction here I think has been amazing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm be failing it today and like to Dad, like,
Speaker 4: I'm a Trump supporter for for a lot of reasons,
Speaker 4: but uh, you know the just want touch in the
Speaker 4: fifty first day thing.
Speaker 2: You know, I was joked, I was joked with you
Speaker 2: about that.
Speaker 4: Oh okay, well yeah, I'll be serious about it, like
Speaker 4: I'll give you my serious opinion.
Speaker 10: All right.
Speaker 4: So I'm sixty five, I've been I watched this country
Speaker 4: go from something not too bad to it just straight downhill.
Speaker 4: For the last forty years. We don't develop our country,
Speaker 4: we don't do anything for ourselves. Everybody here is just
Speaker 4: waiting for that golden moment that just to make Canada
Speaker 4: great for the first time. Right, And we have the potential. Yeah, no, honestly,
Speaker 4: so we have this potential to do this with all
Speaker 4: our minerals, and we can sell it around the world.
Speaker 4: We can do these things. We've done it in the past.
Speaker 4: I experienced that when I was younger, back in the
Speaker 4: sixties and seventies, right, So I want to look at
Speaker 4: all this right now, Dan, And I'm so tired of
Speaker 4: waiting for this country to get a set of legs
Speaker 4: and walk by itself instead of propping up against the
Speaker 4: United States. And that's the truth. And I'm in my
Speaker 4: mindset is this, if Carnie gets in by some hopefully
Speaker 4: he doesn't, but if it happens, I will take up
Speaker 4: mister Trump on a fifty first state immediately. If Pauliev wins,
Speaker 4: I'll give him four years to strike it, try to
Speaker 4: get this ship sailing, and if he doesn't, then I'll
Speaker 4: take that fifty first state because if we can't develop
Speaker 4: this country like it should be after all these years,
Speaker 4: maybe somebody else the United States can come in and
Speaker 4: do it big. Let you people do it and get
Speaker 4: this machine going over here too.
Speaker 2: Right, Well, you had a great Prime Minister Maul Rooney
Speaker 2: who when Reagan was president and they worked really well together.
Speaker 2: So we'll see what Pauliev does. He's from Alberta, right,
Speaker 2: he's from the north.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Okay, Yeah.
Speaker 2: He's from a less populated area. So Carnie has an
Speaker 2: example as an advantage coming from the more populated south
Speaker 2: in the country. So we'll see what happens. Simple as
Speaker 2: simple as that. Hey, Greg, I hope you'll call me,
Speaker 2: you know, as this election goes goes on, because we're
Speaker 2: going to focus on it here on Nightside, because you
Speaker 2: guys are a very important ally and I I have
Speaker 2: lots of Canadian friends and lots of Canadian listeners and
Speaker 2: maybe we can get well, probably not, but I'd love
Speaker 2: to get Karneie or Pauly f to come on and
Speaker 2: it appear on Nightside. We'll have to see what we
Speaker 2: can do on that.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, that'd be interesting, you know, I'll tell you. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's this country needs to get it stuff together.
Speaker 2: And uh okay, last question for me and I got
Speaker 2: to take one more quick call here before the break.
Speaker 2: Last question, who wins the Stanley Cup this year? I
Speaker 2: know it's not going to be the Bruins, the.
Speaker 4: Least man, I'll tell you what. I don't think the
Speaker 4: Least are going to do, and they're gonna get close
Speaker 4: this year. But I gotta tell you I'm looking at Washington, man,
Speaker 4: They're looking. They're they're red hot, like Washington or Colorado, No,
Speaker 4: not Colorado, Washington or who's the second place, Tiamo or Winnipeg.
Speaker 4: Actually Winnipeg's looking for Winnipeg.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but but a couple of their players are hurt,
Speaker 2: including their big guy McDavid. So we'll have to see
Speaker 2: how that all, how that works out. So all right,
Speaker 2: thank you, thanks, thanks, okay, thanks keep listening, thank you. Okay,
Speaker 2: let me go real quickly. Brian in New Hampshire. Brian,
Speaker 2: I will hold you over because we only got a
Speaker 2: couple of minutes. If you can't complete your thought in
Speaker 2: two minutes, go right ahead, Brian.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's Bernie, Bernie from New Hampshire.
Speaker 2: Bernie. I'm sorry, it says Brian on the board. B
Speaker 2: I know who Bernie is. Bernie, go right ahead. I
Speaker 2: will hold you. Don't worry.
Speaker 8: No, that's fine. Just to access my paycheck. There's a
Speaker 8: two part of your authentication. So you would think the
Speaker 8: US government would have more security than that. My thing is,
Speaker 8: I'm a Trump supporter. Who will know I'm a Trump supporter.
Speaker 8: I believe he's for the military and all that. But
Speaker 8: this was cavalier at best and negligent at worst. But
Speaker 8: I don't think there was intention in it. But nonetheless,
Speaker 8: I mean, why is it hard for all your Trump
Speaker 8: supporters tonight to admit that maybe a mistake was made
Speaker 8: and let's not let's learn from it and not do
Speaker 8: it again and maybe put people in harm's way.
Speaker 2: Well, Bernie, I'm I'm with you. You know. One of
Speaker 2: the things when I bring something home from the grocery store,
Speaker 2: which which I thought was on the list and was
Speaker 2: the wrong thing. The first thing when my wife looks
Speaker 2: at me, like, you know, you're a knucklehead, I immediately say,
Speaker 2: I'm really sorry. I'll I'll take you back. No, you
Speaker 2: don't have to. If you say, hey, I goofed up,
Speaker 2: everybody's if you that's the smartest thing in the world
Speaker 2: to say, I goofed up my fault, then they can
Speaker 2: they have to stop attacking you. It's just simple as that. Well,
Speaker 2: I mean, it won't happen for Trump, don't get me wrong.
Speaker 2: But you just say, look, we made a mistake. It's
Speaker 2: an oversight. There was no harm, no foul, and we're
Speaker 2: gonna make sure it doesn't happen again. Next question.
Speaker 8: All right, absolutely, Dan, thank you for your time, and
Speaker 8: you have a good night.
Speaker 2: Bertie. Great to hear you. Boys say, give up to
Speaker 2: your son.
Speaker 8: Okay, thank you much, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2: Okay, but can I his son just graduated I believe
Speaker 2: from Paris Island and as in the military. Okay, got
Speaker 2: a bunch of open lines. Warrant. Stay there if you like,
Speaker 2: we'll take you first up on the other side, and
Speaker 2: we're going to continue to talk about this. This is
Speaker 2: the story of the day. I don't think this story
Speaker 2: has legs because I don't think there was any intention
Speaker 2: here to do anything wrong. But we're not going to
Speaker 2: ignore it, and I hope you won't as well. Should
Speaker 2: they should the Trumpsters take my advice, and that is
Speaker 2: it's easy to say, hey, we goofed up. You know,
Speaker 2: we made a little it's a small mistake. No harm,
Speaker 2: no file the attack went off, No, nothing was compromised.
Speaker 2: You bet you. It's not going to happen again. This was
Speaker 2: an opportunity for us to learn from a mistake, coming
Speaker 2: back one night side