Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, Welcome back to another episode of
geek Verse podcast. I am one of your hosts the origins,
Taylor Field, and I'm joined by.
Speaker 2: Hey, my name is Dylan Muss.
Speaker 1: Yes, we are here continuing our journey into dairy with
the official IT season one. Yeah. And before we get
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Speaker 2: Uh yeah, next to next day? Yeah, tomorrow is the
other word I was looking for. Me and Travis are
doing side quest. We're only talking about the new Steam
hardware that was announced. There was a state of play
that happened. So yeah, it should be a juicy episode
as always.
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Speaker 2: I never need to relax chill out. I just go
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get your thoughts on last week's episode. Now we'll just
start kind of like non spoilers first and then get
into it. But feel free to just enlighten us on
how you felt with the previous episode. Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's funny too, because we were all of us
on the first episode, and then the second episode, you
were away, last episode, I was away. This episode, Travis
is away. So yeah, I feel like we're kind of
playing like ring around the rosie here, like who's who's
gonna be on what episode? So maybe next week we'll
I'll be back. But yeah, it's been extremely bar graft
chart going up and down for me. Where I really
did enjoy that first episode, second episode, I didn't really
enjoy that much, which yeah, you weren't on that episode,
but yeah, I was not really a big fan of that.
And then the third episode, which I also just watched today,
I actually really enjoyed that one for the most part.
So we're back up in a positive swing. I liked
everything about that episode except for the just awful cgi
of the bike graveyard sequence, which Travis mentioned on the episode.
But then this week I'm backed down again. I didn't
really enjoy this one a whole lot. So I don't know,
this show is very I don't know, it's yeah, it's
I guess, on either end of the spectrum for me,
and so hopefully it can kind of round out in
these next four episodes and be a little more consistent
this episode is doing a lot. It's all over the place.
There's all sorts of stuff, a lot of exposition. Every
storyline's doing some things here or there. There's one storyline
that I'm pretty engaged with now, especially after what was
going on in episode three, But then some of the
other ones are kind of dragging their heels for me,
and you know, I hate to be that guy. But
going back to something I think I said in the
first episode is like, I just think the acting quality
of some of the younger actors here is not great,
and this episode really stood out for me in that way,
just certain sequences feeling kind of cheesy and then yeah,
similar to the bike sequence from last week's episode, I
thought the CGI in this episode was really bad. Like
almost every sequence I thought looked really cheap, really goofy,
and just like one of them was like something stripped
Rado Spy kids like it was. It was not good
at all, And so that's a kind of disappointing. I mean,
it's it's fun that every episode we are getting scares
and set pieces of new creatures and stuff, but when
the quality the CGI is not quite there, it feels
like the budget was maybe spread a bit too thin
on this uh this piece of bread here. That's a
little bit disappointing. So unfortunately for me, I didn't really
get any good scares for me in this episode because
everything just looked a little too goofy. But yeah, I
think there is still some fun things to be had
in this episode because there's just a lot going on.
So yeah, there should still be a fun time to
talk about.
Speaker 1: M M yeah. Uh yeah. For me, I this show
is just going up and up and up. I'm just
I'm I'm drinking the punch, the kool laterver you want
to call it. I've been, I've been enjoying it. And
this episode was really really fantastic. There's one there's one
specific character I think that's just making this show much
much more potent for me and and and better and
everything that I'm really really just eating. And I'll highlight
that when we get into the spoilers. But yeah, I'm
just I'm all, I'm all in right now. It's been
a really really enjoyable watch. I'm really excited for it.
And this episode for sure had one moment but just
like you know something's coming, but it just I felt
the goosebumps. The hairs immediately stood up on my arms, like, oh,
this is great, this is really good. And I mentioned
this last week with Travis. I think it was super
bad mic or it was s Pubs and Discord. They
highlighted how much screen time the first four episodes scars
Guard actually is there in the clown costume, and it's
not much. It's like seconds. But I'm totally okay with that.
I think everything that we've gotten, you know, some very
questionable cgi like you highlighted the bike scene was like
it was like out of the Haunted Mansion ride or
something like that. It was very questionable. So I'm not
all there for that, but I appreciate them not just
slapping scars Guard, you know, pennywise right in your face.
It's like, keep them on the back burn and just
stew on that for a little bit and just have
fun with the psychological aspect, which I'm really liking because
you get a lot of him in the movies, so
we we have that version of him, and so it's
I'm actually really thankful to see this other light of
the character, this other side where he's really just playing
the cards a little bit. And then in the movies, yes,
he does play things mentally a lot, but there's I
feel like there's just a different beat here with one
of our kid characters in this episode where I'm just thinking,
where is this gonna go? Where's this gonna go? Why
is why is this happening like this? And then at
the end of this this narrative that just happened, it's like, oh,
penny Wise, you son of a bitch. You you you
know how to play the play the field here, So
uh yeah, it's it's so far been really really delightful.
But uh yeah, anything else you got?
Speaker 2: Uh non spoiler wise, No, I don't think so.
Speaker 1: All right, Well let's do some spoilers then, right now.
And where do you want to start.
Speaker 2: Well, let's start with your boy Halleran, because that's who
you're talking about a lot last week. That's who I
think you were going again this time, because yeah, I wouldn't.
Me and Travis talked on episode two. I didn't really
have any feelings developed it on that character, just because
it felt like we didn't really get a whole in
that episode. Is more just kind of the name the
quick introduction. But I feel like with three and four
it's really gone like, oh, he's just like one of
the main like a plots that were gone, Like there's
a lot going on this show, a lot of different
characters with different motivations in different places, but he's just
getting a ton of screen time between these two episodes.
And yeah, I really like it too. And for me,
it's kind of less about the Shining connection with that character,
because you know, I've seen the Shining we did that
episode recently. But for me, it's just like, even in isolation,
what's going on here I think is pretty interesting because
obviously there isn't really anyone else quite like him who
has these powers in this world. Maybe like other characters
are like slightly hinted at it, but in terms of
the stuff he's doing here, some of this like even
goes even beyond what kind of happens in the Shine, right,
Like we got a whole sequence where he just like
invaded someone's mind for like fifteen minutes and learned like
their whole upbringing pretty much. So it's pretty crazy stuff.
But then we also see like what do you think
is going on here with him kind of finding this
hidden bass it's kind of in the middle of nowhere.
He brings his homies there, and they're like gonna set
this up as like a little station, but like they
intentionally want it to be kind of like a hidden spot.
So I don't really know where that part of the
storyline is going. I don't know what you thought about
that sequence.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean it comes from like the general, right,
mister Dexter, father Harry, Right, He's like, oh, I'll keey
up with the places de commission. You go out there
and boys will be boys kind of a thing, right,
So I feel like you're.
Speaker 2: But that doesn't really make for a TV show though,
Like they got to be doing something there. It's not
like we're just gonna have them like playing poker and
drinking beer there, right, There's gotta be something more to it.
Speaker 1: I think. I think you'll probably get us a little
bit of a sequence to them having a good time
hanging out doing whatever. But I think it's going to
conclude rather rapidly once things like shit hits the fan
or maybe that's one of the pillar low burial locations.
Maybe it just happens to be underneath that house, and
that's where things are going to get really really crazy
and climactic, and things are going to kind of you know,
convert converge right there, right, So I guess we'll have
to wait and see. But hell, Rein is a character,
he's Yeah. Just the thing that gets me super excited
is I can finish watching this show and then I
could put on the Shining and be like, in my head,
I can head Kennon oh direct sequel, even though it's
just the same character but very different stories. But I'm
really liking everything that he's he's at two and he's doing,
and last week just gave me the chills. The hebgb's
when he's touching that slingshot goes into like Pennywise's layer
and penny Wise is like, oh are you And I'm like,
oh my god, this is crazy because you have I
think Travis highlighted Penny for the first time has an
encounter with someone that has a heightened spiritual kind of ability,
like supernatural abilities, which I don't think penny Wise has
never encountered that before. So it's just like it's like
an upping of the anti kind of thing, and I
really like that. And so of course Halloran's like, oh,
you know, I think we should stop because I feel
like something bad is going to happen if we keep
pushing this, and yeah, it's just that bleeding into this
episode a little bit more. I've really liked how he
sees his grandma. His grandma's tell him like, you got
to keep a lid on it. You know, the shit's
about to get real, and he's just he wants to
tell I can't remember his name, but the pilot who
moved there with his wife and kid wants to tell
him more. But even then, he doesn't he doesn't have
all the information. He can't really relay that to him yet.
He just knows that they're looking for whatever this thing
is and it's powerful. But as a character and him
using the psychic abilities, You're right, we haven't seen this
kind of stuff before and we don't really know what
his his limits are. But I'm I'm just really really
stoked to see what's gonna happen in this character, Like
is he gonna get that another like direct face off
with Penny Wise or what's gonna happen there. But yeah,
as much as he's like, he's very engaged in what
his mission is and he's very like, yes, sir, I'll
do it, sir, he does it. It's fun to see
him too, like he just wants a place to chill
with this with his friends.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, especially like in this time period where we've
seen that they've kind of sometimes get harassed when they
go in like certain public places, so that makes sense.
But yeah, I think the this is kind of jumping ahead,
I guess, But since we're on the holler and stuff now,
and when when we get to the interrogation sequence, I
I liked how intimidating he was in that, Like even
just like he gets he cuts to the chase immediately
we're like, yeah, you could just tell me what's going
on here, or we could do this the hard way
and it's not gonna be pain it's gonna be painful,
it's not gonna be good for you, it's not gonna
be good for me. We could just save everyone a
whole lot of time here, and obviously it does not
going that way. But I just thought that he was
very intimidating in that sequence, even though he seems like
a kind of a sweet, nice guy for the most part.
Obviously he's got like his demons and stuff, because this
power is, you know, really messes with someone. But I
liked that, and I also just from the acting perspective,
was to me, he's one of like the acting highlights
of this show, especially when not a lot of the
actors are bringing it in my opinion. But even just
like the way the things he was doing with his
hands moving around his face as he was like going
like trying to dig into this guy's mind, I just
thought it was cool and kind of different because I
feel like, you know, the Professor X are a lot
of magic powers, telekinesis. It's always like characters always put
their fingers on their temple, right and then they like
can go into someone's head. But I liked that he
was having to like pull his finger around his face
down his nose, almost like using it like a mask
or something. I just I just thought that was very
fun visually. So I enjoyed that part of it. Now,
the origin story part, I don't know if I enjoyed
that part as much, but even like the metal layer
of it, of like him going into someone's head. Now
he's like going back to this childhood memory that this
guy has and then we're going into like I guess
it's not really flashback from the kid's perspective, it's more
just like us visualizing this written, this tale that's been
passed down from generations old, which kind of gives us
the backstory of how Pennywise crashed through a star from
a star meteorite whatever. Onto Well, I guess pretty the
exact same spot that, like that giant whole sewer entrance
spot is that we're used to. Uh and then you
know that whole story from from there out. But uh, yeah,
I in general, I really like, just from Hallarin's perspective,
that that element of it. And then even when we
cut out of the origin story and the I guess
the character's aunt, right, is that that's the connection there
was his grandma, it was his aunt right. Ant Yeah,
when when her eye starts like glitching out a little
bit and her hands freeze up, and then Hallarin just
like pops up behind her, it's like, god damn, Like
I love this guy's presence. So I'm definitely an episode two.
I wasn't sure how it was gonna fit about this character,
but now that we've bought a couple episodes with him,
I'm a big fan of him. And that sequence was
really cool.
Speaker 1: He felt like he's had a different kind of energy
to him. But after this this moment here and he's
like clapping and then he leans in and he smiles,
and I'm just like, man, now he's got Pennywise vibes
to him, because like, where are the pillars buried? I
was like, is this like a weird like flip here?
Did penny Wise seep into this now suddenly? But yeah,
that whole sequence is pretty cool, and it's just it's, yeah,
it's neat to kind of get this this insight too,
and the origin story. I was, I'm with you. I
was not expecting. I thought, Okay, the episode is wrapping
up here, and Madison was kind of like she hasn't
watched the first couple episodes, but I caught her up
to speed, so she was kind of in and out
watching this one a little bit. But she like stepped
out of the room and then it gets in like
millions of years ago. I was like, Madison, you better
get back in here, Like I feel like this is
gonna have a pretty big impact on like the first
movie and whatnot. So yeah, holy smokes, that's that's the
origin the glue, right, that's what they're called it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the gloom. Maybe there was an m at the end.
I couldn't quite tell. I feel like you always said
it a little bit differently, but yeah, the glue gloom
something like that.
Speaker 1: The glue. I wonder if that's actually something. I don't
google it, but yeah, it was. It was neat. I know,
like history Wise was the turtle, which is like the
opposite of penny Wise, and they're just kind of like
the thing that penny Wise fears. But yeah, so this
thing weighed around in the woods for humans to kind
of pop up and appear, right, and eventually it started
just eating and it was going around everywhere, just killing
the humans and whatnot. It got powerful enough once the
settlers came, I was able to expand even further. But
it seems like its home base was always in the woods.
But then the pillars really kept it in the woods.
And so the pillars are there, and it can go
outside of the pillars, but only well maybe it can't
go outside the pillars. I'm assuming dairy is built inside
the pillars. That's why they can kind of, I think. So.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think because the pillars from our perspective
just all look like wooded areas or whatever. But I
think that's just because you know, the obviously development of
the town hadn't happened yet.
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. Okay, so yeah, that makes that
makes sense then, and so now we can connect the
dots too with the sense Okay, the military wants to
find the pillars because they want to create, like cage
it and control this thing against the Soviet Union, which
itself is a fucking crazy concept, but I'm on board
with it. I think it's it's so zany uh and
it's it's interesting too. But yeah, so it's cool to
kind of have that context now of what what's going
on while they're there, and again a little bit more
history with Pennywise.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's it's one of those weird things
where like with this idea of like this being like
a tradition, like a tale being passed down from generation
generation generation for like hundreds of years, you would think
it would be like a game of telephone, where like, okay,
that information maybe is accurate to what it was originally,
Like you know, everyone tells the story a little differently
to their kid, and then their kid tells that story
a little bit differently to the next kid, and then
like the story is completely different from what it actually was,
But in terms of like the flashback kind of sequence
we're getting, it seems like, okay, it seems like that
that tale was passed down pretty accurately. It feels like
they're just kind of using this as like an exposition
dumped to ten that tell us exactly what's going on.
I think the sequence is pretty well done visually, but
I honestly wasn't into it for me. I think it's
just it's just too much. I kind of want it
to remain a bit more mysterious, and now I just
feel like it's just so charted out that it takes
away some of that mystery, which is inherently some of
the frightening aspect of it. And I feel like I
just know too much now, Like I almost I wish
I could just remove that sequence from my brain and
not know about that. So I don't know. We'll see
how I developed those feelings, but I feel like now
even when I'm watching it chapter one, I'll be thinking
about like this and the origins with like too much detail,
like more than I want personally. So I'm curious to
see what other people think about that. If I'm maybe
if I'm on the island with that one. But I
think it was maybe a bit too much uh information
that I that I would have liked.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fair. I mean it definitely was a dump.
I mean it would have been nice if maybe they
even spread that information out a little bit more. That
would have been we really just got it all once
we did. We did, and uh, oh, there was a
point I wanted to bring up. Oh, I can't remember, Carol,
when I was gonna bring up shoot, it saluted me.
Speaker 2: It'll come back to you. It'll come back, it always does.
M I liked the visual we got of the kind
of moose, which was like an early version of Pennywise
I guess, which was before because obviously if you throw
a clown at someone hundreds of years ago, I mean,
it might be weird looking, but they might not necessarily
be scared of it. But like they know what a
moose is, and like a freaky moose is a scary thing.
So it makes sense that that would be like the
situation we got where it is now. It's like, oh yeah,
people clowns are inherently a little bit freaky, and you
have especially scary clown that makes sense as like just
a kind of default state for penny Wise. But obviously
when he like crashed into Earth hundreds and millions of
years ago, whatever, it's like, well, obviously he wouldn't be
a clown t rex back then. Yeah, there's no concept
of what a clown was, so it'd have to be
just like a freaky yeah t rex to the other dinosaurs,
just eating on all those whatever the cortisol blood or
whatever he was talking about when explaining that he likes
he likes to build up the fear because then they
taste better. Which I liked that analogy or not analogy,
but I guess that kind of description of him a lot.
I thought that was like a really good way to
put it. Just had a really visceral imagery to it.
Speaker 1: Shout outs to our our movie absolutely, but yeah, no
that it's yeah, very cool. How it was just taking
this form of this moose and then that form shifted too.
Where when the the war I'm not sure what you
would call it, the war crew, the war pack, They
went in there because they wanted to basically go chief
wanted to rescue her daughter. Daughter went in there and
took the shard to go and get more pieces of
this cage. It was very sound strategy made sense. They
want to get more weapons and then and secure a
lock down. But the war tribe pack went in there
and didn't work out because the chief got taken out
and daughter almost saved her but wasn't able to in time.
And that whole sequence there though, you get to see
the whole pack is being attacked by penny Wise, and
penny Wise has taken all these different forms. Yeah, you
got the moose in there, and then you've got the
other forms it looks like settlers, but then with the chief,
it's like this one notable form of it being this
this religious father figure, which again that's a pretty big
that's a big thing too. That makes sense for the time,
right when you have all this conversion going on. Uh So, Yeah,
it's just Travis mentioned too that the director really likes
to have these characters, these villains just kind of like
stretch out into these long forms, because we saw that,
I think it was last week when the two kids
were after the Circus sequence. They were in the woods
and the creature like was the creepy my man with
the one eye, and then it like went into like
super long legs form and was charging and so again
that happened with this this scene, which this one got me.
I feel like it was a bit better CGI too.
It really freaked me out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that one, the one you're talking about. I agree
that was a better sequence, and in general, I think
the origin story was. It feels like maybe that was
something that they knew they wanted from the beginning. Maybe
that had a bit more time to cook than some
of these other ones that were just kind of coming together.
So yeah, I agree with that for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, trying to think what else here, Well, I think
let's jump to a quick break and we'll be right back,
and we are back. So I wasn't able to think
that quick on it.
Speaker 2: But let's jump to the school and I guess, I guess,
just the kids in general and what's going on with them.
So obviously it starts out with them. Uh, they have
the pictures that they got from last week from the
graveyard sequence, and then they've processed the was that this
episode or last episode where they went into the dark rooms?
Speaker 1: Last episode?
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so they did that, but this episode they
bring it to the police station to show to the sheriff.
They kind of build it up this whole time, and
then when he opens the envelope to look at the pictures,
Pennywise is obviously like switched out the images for just like, well,
one of them is still the same, I guess, but
then the other ones have been switched out for you know,
just like images that anyone could have taken and don't
really show anything particularly scary. And then even the one
that doesn't is seemingly a shot of like Pennywise and
Cloud in clown form. It's like blurry enough that it's like, well,
I don't know what that is. It could be anything like,
We're not gonna go in on that. So that makes sense.
I kind of figured like something like that would happen.
It wouldn't be quite that easy for them to just
grab these I'm kind of surprised that the ghosts and
things even showed up in photographs. I thought that would
be The twist is that when they take these pictures
that just like, you know, the ghosts and whatever are
just like not in those pictures at all. But I
think once again that kind of makes sense to kind
of mess with these kids even more would make sense
to just wait until they get all the way to
police station with this you know, authority figure, and then
then for that to be like kind of an embarrassing
thing and like maybe make make it so that the
in general, the police will probably just not want to
trust them going forward, you know, if they bring up
more information, right, because they'll like creable, last time, we
brought us these pictures that meant nothing. So I think
that was that was pretty well done. And then yeah,
I guess we get to like this kind of new
crew of four people. So Ronnie and what's the main
girl's name again, Lily, right, Ronnie and Lily. They've kind
of picked up these other two guys, Will who's the
son of the other couple that we've seen a lot of.
And then this other kid, Rich. Not A big fan
of Rich. I'm just not liking this acting from him
and his little this little he's I guess he's like
the comedic relief character, but he's not really that funny.
So he's just a character who's in the mix, I suppose.
So I'm'm not a big fan of this new this
nude team that we have here. Then we get like
this whole middle school sequence where Lily's old friend is
kind of talking to herd trying to ment some bridges.
But then it turns out that it was like the
the popular girls just like trying to agger on and
embarrass her, and then that goes into a whole freaking
sequence where her eyes start popping out. So have we
seen something like that before, where Pennywise just we we
must have, but I just can't think of an example
of the top of my head.
Speaker 1: Of it, like just physically altering.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because he alters things are round people usually,
but not necessarily people.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, that's that's right. And I guess like in
this context, he's altering things around what is the girl's
name again, Sorry, I was.
Speaker 2: In the bathroom stall, Lily, Marge is the.
Speaker 1: Right, So he's altering the surroundings for for Lily, and
so Lily sees it. Well, Marge also sees it. Two
But I don't know. I don't think he's really altered
a person like that before. And again, yeah, it was
all fake, of course, just all in her head. But
this is this is what I was talking about earlier anywise,
Like it's just that she's just playing it because her
I took it as the whole. I took it as
it was because he was trying to set her up, right.
He wanted it to look like she was cuckoo and
killing her, attacking her, right.
Speaker 2: I guess so, But it would be it would be
in their head for both of them then, because obviously
Margs seeing something freaky.
Speaker 1: Yes, and so I think it's like, again I can't
remember his name, but the father and son they're out
fishing and they both see the balloon, right, and I think, Okay,
this is a scenario where they're both.
Speaker 2: Sitting and yeah, yeah, seems to be the one thing
that everyone sees all the time as balloons.
Speaker 1: So that's like the balloons.
Speaker 2: That's the one that Pennywise will give you. That's the freebie.
It's not gonna mess with that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but it's I took it as it was
not really a thing because I feel like if you
look at the movies too, with the Losers Club, when
he's altering the surroundings of the kids, the kids can
just be like, it's not real, it's not real, it's
not real, and they like conquer their fear and then
the whole scene is back to normal, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So if she got that pill, that calming down pill
into March, then would it have just ended oh man,
or did she need to get it into her like.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't think Lily eat it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I guess that was her thought
with it, but I guess they both would have needed it.
And it seemed like there was only one pill because
that was like the dramas that the one pill like
fell down the toilet, So I'm not too sure, but
that was a sequence I was talking about. This to
me just looked very spy kid z and cgi like
I thought the eye thing looked really goofy, and because
of that, not very scary. No, it was still like
I was still on the edge of my seat cringing.
And when she goes up to like the buzz saw
it and the wood shop and like chops her eye,
her expanded eyes off, because that's just nasty, and I
thought something even worse was gonna happen, like her hair
was gonna get caught in it and like pull her
through or something. So I ended up being like, not
as bad as it could have been, but then for me,
it was also extremely goofy. When you know she's on
the ground and she has like the knife in her
hand and then like forty three kids walking that door
at the exact same time, and like see her with
the knife and then she like holds it like dramatically
for the fifteen seconds before she drops it, and so
I don't know. To me, the whole sequence was just
a bit too goofy and not quite enough scary, And
it really makes me wonder what's gonna happen next with
this character, because as you and Travis talked about last
last episode, you know, the setup was that two episodes
of Goally was going to the I forget what the
place is called, but like the mental hospital. But then
she was just like out in episode three with like
we didn't see her spending we saw her have one
conversation in that place. Then she was just out of it,
so it seemed like, okay, she was not locked up here,
but then they just kind of let her go. But then, like,
is the result of this gonna be that she goes
back there? And so then we just like are doing
the run around, going back and forth. I don't really
know what to expect with this, because you also think
Marge would probably want to defend her and be like
we no, she didn't stab me, Like this is some
other thing. But then maybe the bab don't believe her
and think that she's just trying to cover for a friend.
But it's like, well, if a friend was trying to
stab her in the face, I don't think she would
want to defend her. So I don't know what's going
to be follow out of this, but to me, it
all seemed a little goofy in terms of the execution.
Speaker 1: You think that, but Marge is absolutely just she's she's
just She's gonna probably say like, oh no, she attacked me.
She's crazy because she wants to be getting good with
the other people, right, So I just feel like she's
trying so hard to just betray her friend and just
be a bit of a bit of a meanie and
a bully.
Speaker 2: So yeah, but she was already kind of going back.
She was seemingly going to go back on that already
in the bathroom, right.
Speaker 1: Yes, And that's true, And there I started to pop.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So she didn't think she was going to go
back or she's still was she gonna hold steadfast and
go with the I.
Speaker 1: Think she has no reasonable explanation for what happens, so
I think she's just gonna blame it on her friend.
She doesn't want to be looked at as a freak.
She's so self conscious as a character. So I think
I think that's going to do her in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I could see that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and yeah, I mean I will, I will. I'll
say that to The timing of just all the whole
school walking in there is just like, you know, it's
like when Harry Potter catches what's his name, mister Philch's
cat Missus Norris hanging upside down like petrified. The whole
school just shows up. I didn't do it, you know,
that timing and all, But they set that scene up
good where Marge is just like she grabs the knife
and she starts just fucking shanking her her head. It's
like Jesus Christ. And then she see the buzz song.
She goes up to the saw and then she's up there,
so you see her hands are sliding and slipping on
the handles. You see her feet are just slipping off
the things. She's too short. It's like, oh no, my god.
Speaker 2: Yeah, super cringe. So what do you think will be
the fallout there? Then? For Lily, Like, what's your prediction
here for the next episode.
Speaker 1: Well, she's got to rely on her friends to get
her out. That's that's the main thing.
Speaker 2: So they just need to get going back to the hospital.
Speaker 1: You think, oh, well after this, I think so, yeah,
she's going back for sure, which is a shame. I'm sure.
I'm sure.
Speaker 2: I think she'll get out after seventeen minutes like she
did last time.
Speaker 1: Well maybe, I guess we'll have to see. If I
had to make an early on prediction, I think she's
gonna survive. I could see her staying. I could see
her staying in there. And I don't think the show
is going to have the most happiest of endings. I
think it's gonna leave things very open and ambiguous and
maybe plant the seeds to just think, Okay, in the
next twenty seven years, we're going to get uh it
chapter one. That's going to be when that movie starts.
And I think this is just going to wrap up
with the military having to abandon the bandon the project,
as they alluded to it too in here, we're oh,
we've got to hurry before the cycle ends, and then
that's it, right, So I think that they're going to
give up, and when the military leaves, they're going to
forget about penny wise, because that's the magic of dairy.
You just forget and you move on. So yeah, yeah,
I don't know if any of the kids are going
to die since that first episode, but I think the
kids are just going to kind of disperse and not
be in great places.
Speaker 2: I guess we're halfway through. We could see a couple
more kills, I suppose.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, more.
Speaker 2: Anything else on the kids, kids at school, the new squad?
Do you like this new squad that we have?
Speaker 1: This new squad that we got is I mean, there's
something about the first one that I definitely was on
board with, but this this one, it's this one definitely
has a lot more character to it. And I like
that they've you can feel that they're bonding together and
getting together. And I like the the military man his son.
I really like him. I like how he's just kind
of like figuring things out.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm really really liking his character a lot.
Speaker 2: He seems super smart.
Speaker 1: For sure, he is super super smart. And yeah, he's
kind of that you were alluding to earlier, the adrenaline
in the blood and all that kind of stuff, just
you know, hunting prey and it's just how he's figuring
things out and whatnot. I like that. And again that
scene again when he's up on his his telescope and
he's looking at the stars and he's just like that
aime pans down and he's going you see, like Pennywise,
a silhouette behind that tree. I had those goosebumps. Man,
that just freaked me out. Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2: So but again that's but it was still like, at
what second is it going to happen?
Speaker 1: So oh for sure, And that narrative with him and
his dad, that's kind of like crossing over now, which
I'm I'm I'm happy about because I like that. That's
going to be really cool to see how that unfolds
with them, because I think they're gonna bond a bit
more about that. And then you've got the narrative with
the mom where she's trying to save the projectionist right
and get them all these rights, and I think that's
just going to be interesting how that's going to transition,
because now you have this dynamic with the projectionist where
he's like, oh, he's with a white woman and this
is just a whole can of worms yep, and we
don't even know who that lady is.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's the kind of thing I thought we
were building up to that, Like he he was gonna say, well,
it started out that he was like I was with
a married woman, and then it was like, oh, it
turns out with a white one. I thought what he
was going to build up to was like it was
the sheriff's wife or something like that, like a specific character.
So maybe we will get to that point, like maybe
it'll be I don't know. It seems like to him
obviously that alibi is not worth using because it would
be worse than if he doesn't use the alibi at all.
So that's obviously not that's why he's doing it. But
I wonder if it is like a named character. But yeah,
it seems like those connections are becoming a bit more
entangled now where we got this dynamic where the sheriff
obviously had this connection with that one indigenous woman from
like way back in the day. They were like, you know,
friends and dairy all these years ago. And now Will's mom, Charlotte,
is kind of hanging out with her and she got
her number and they're kind of connecting as well. So yeah,
and then obviously she goes and talks to the sheriff
and kind of gets shut down. So there's like all
these kind of like web now of all this, all
these way these these characters are intertwined and otherwise. So yeah,
I really liked that scene with Charlotte Will's mom when
she goes back to the police station for the second
time and she's like, hey, you gotta let me talk
to him, or she just like pretty much threatens him
with all these things. I couldn't even recite. I don't
know what it was, but she was like spitting fire.
It was great. She was like shutting him down a
big time and obviously got what she wanted. She got
that conversation and a lot of info out of it.
So yeah, I like that sequence. I'm really liking that character.
I think, once again, early on in the show, it's
like I don't know where any of these storylines are going.
They could go in any manner of directions, but I
really like what's going on with her. And there's like
always a little bit of tension with her and the husband,
Like even at Danner when she was like like, hey,
we gotta do something fun with our son, or like
you gotta do something fun with your son, and he's
like almost giving her like a side eye when she
like suggests that, which is like this is not a
very big ask, dude, like chill out. So there's like
a little bit of drama there. And then obviously just
everything with her going around the town and kind of
getting caught a little bit, and then he blames her
for like the person that will saw with the window,
which obviously is not the case at all, but obviously
that wedge is being dry driven between them. So I
think this dynamic is working pretty well for me. The
only thing that thought was again a little bit cheesy,
was just how she was like, oh I was I
was just cleaning up your room and I found this
hidden drawer filled with the envelope of pictures and it
SAYM like okay, And that was like a little bit
goofy that she just happened to pall in this thing.
But you know, Minor, that's a I'm just picking knits
in that situation. It's not a big deal. So it's
I can I can look past that?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Cool they I guess we can talk about that water
sequence a bit more when they're going fishing together, which
like really good build up there. The tension is building,
like as soon as the dad walks away to go
back to the car to get the bait or whatever
it was or the string. And then we just got
like a couple of different at camera angles, and there's
that one that's like pulled out from like the woods
on the side. It's kind of like surrounded by shrubs,
and it's just like the kid hanging out in the water.
It's like, damn, that was a good, just suspense building shot.
He turns back, like the water it's not quite bubbling,
but it looks like it's like bubbling, you know, like
obviously the way the stream is building up. It's just
building that tension in a good way. And then again,
didn't love the CGI when he actually gets pulled under
my dad. I thought it looked kind of cheesy, But
overall that sequence was pretty good CGI aside, And yeah,
again I feel like that is obviously building like some
tension between the sun and him of just like the
thing he fears the most is his dad. I guess
like that's that's the takeaway there, which is not great.
But then also his dad can kind of came to
save the day when he had that scare in the
evening when he saw penny Wise out the window. So
I don't know, just just a lot of different dynamics
going on with that family. It's a it's a complex family, man.
There's a lot going on with them, it is.
Speaker 1: And I mean I took it a different way where
he saw his dad, but his dad was burnt up
from the plane crash, and I think he's afraid of
his dad passing from that crash.
Speaker 2: Okay, good, good interpretation.
Speaker 1: I think there's gonna be a very interesting kind of
fascination here with penny Wise, because like penny Wise, he
he can he feeds off of your fear, and that's
how we can get that kill, right, And if you're
not afraid of him, well it's like, well okay, we
got a big problem. So the thing I think it
was episode two when Halaran was clocked into his mind
a little bit and they this is after that he
was able to prove like, okay, the military came at me,
my own guys. It was a test to prove how
I was loyal, all that kind of jazz, and so
he knew Hallaran was one of the guys were in
a gas mask that was there and Hollaran was in
his mind. And so when they're coming to terms with this,
Howaran's like, hey, that place where you know, I'm reading
people's minds. They get afraid, they think about their family,
think about regrets, all these different things. But He's like,
when I was in your mind, when you're supposed to
be thinking about fear, the only thing that was there
was your next move kind of a thing like you
were analyzing. And I think, Okay, well that's interesting because
that's going to be something that plays with Pennywise. Because
if penny Wise is always there and he's trying to
get your fear, like okay, not this guy. This guy
is going to be analyzing. And I think, okay, that's
why we got that second balloon here. Penny Wise doesn't
need to be messing around with the parents, right, Like
he's messed around trying to get to Will at this point.
So for the dad to be seeing the balloons, I
feel like, Okay, this is Pennywise trying to pull the
strings a little bit and maybe fuck with him and
try and test and see, Okay, where is this fear?
Like he doesn't have any like and maybe I'm overthinking
it and diving a little too deep into it. But
that's just where I'm my head is at with it,
and I hope that they run with it. I really
really do, because I'd like to see more of it.
Speaker 2: No, it's a good point, Like I feel like it
is kind of opposite to what we see with a
lot of other dynamics, where usually in the movies, whatever,
it is, like the kids see something weird, freaky they're
bringing up to an adult I all doesn't believe them.
That's kind of what we get. But in this situation,
we've had like two situations back to back where the dad,
uh maybe doesn't see this thing exactly, but he's getting
like this weird balloon. Obviously, if a balloon is floating sideways,
that is already weird because like that's not how balloons work.
So he's already freaked out there. And then obviously has
that sequel where okay, there was someone outside the house
and now there's that bloom back in the tree, So
it's kind of confirming that his son is seeing something
weird and there is something off, and so yeah, like,
why why is Pennywise doing that? Why is he like
kind of leaving this evidence here? Especially like someone who's
connected with the military and the police and like has
all these connections. It seems like that's not the person
you'd want to, I don't know, leave the thread to
beet pulled on. So I think, interesting dynamic there, and
something kind of different than we're getting from like the
other parents or other just like adults in general in
this show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it is that. Just to cap it off
for me, that river seeing it was great. As soon
as the dad leaves, just the tonal shits like, oh man,
it's just you know something's coming. And I thought it
was gonna be the fish that was going to turn
into something weird, but they got me. Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I thought the fish was going to jump out
and have like the big pennywise chompers, like Piranha style
and just attack him. But it was something freakier than that.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. Yeah. Cool. Anything else you want to highlight?
Speaker 2: Are we forgetting anything? I think that was all this
catching up. That was everything pretty.
Speaker 1: Much right, I think it was. I think it was yeah, yeah,
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