1 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:06,519 Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, Welcome back to another episode of 2 00:00:06,679 --> 00:00:10,080 geek Verse podcast. I am one of your hosts the origins, 3 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:11,519 Taylor Field, and I'm joined by. 4 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 2: Hey, my name is Dylan Muss. 5 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 1: Yes, we are here continuing our journey into dairy with 6 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:23,960 the official IT season one. Yeah. And before we get 7 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:26,079 into that, though, a couple of plugs guys with eric 8 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:27,719 connection on the search bar. Geekpers dot Ca is our 9 00:00:27,719 --> 00:00:30,960 home base, keepers cast our Twitter, Geekers is our Facebook. Wow, 10 00:00:31,039 --> 00:00:33,079 lots of stuff has popped off. We had Extra Life, 11 00:00:33,359 --> 00:00:36,200 our successful charity stream. Thank you everyone who tuned into 12 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:38,960 that and supported it and just oh my gosh, all 13 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:42,840 this stuff is. It's available. But Travis is doing quick 14 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:44,840 reel cuts and stuff like that, so you'll be able 15 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:47,679 to tune in and watch the like more direct stuff. 16 00:00:48,119 --> 00:00:50,079 What else do we got? We did a Running Man 17 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:53,560 review me and Kirkland. There's Pride or bad Lands reviews 18 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:58,479 and stuff and yeah, there's always something going on. But 19 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:03,000 what what's the latest? And side quest there? Dylan? This week? 20 00:01:03,439 --> 00:01:07,159 Speaker 2: Uh yeah, next to next day? Yeah, tomorrow is the 21 00:01:07,159 --> 00:01:09,120 other word I was looking for. Me and Travis are 22 00:01:09,159 --> 00:01:11,400 doing side quest. We're only talking about the new Steam 23 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:14,480 hardware that was announced. There was a state of play 24 00:01:14,519 --> 00:01:17,359 that happened. So yeah, it should be a juicy episode 25 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:18,599 as always. 26 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 1: Nice nice lots of juice. Uh yeah, so there's there's 27 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:24,959 just there's always something to check out. And I mean, 28 00:01:25,359 --> 00:01:27,000 speaking of places to check out, you got to check 29 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:30,040 out that Patreon can get ad free really exclusive content there. 30 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:31,319 It's just it's great everyone. 31 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 2: I never need to relax chill out. I just go 32 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:37,159 over there, lurk around for a little bit and I 33 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:40,719 just feel soothed to the core nod. 34 00:01:40,359 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 1: You just all of these hang and the Patreon producers 35 00:01:44,519 --> 00:01:47,319 all having prime good hang in Aaron Brad Naple of Darkness, 36 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:49,439 Jack Grant, Sam Super Bad, Mike Good God Loves Me 37 00:01:49,439 --> 00:01:51,480 sixty nine and Charlie ran Down Cocktail, Clay John with 38 00:01:51,519 --> 00:01:54,079 no h Sam Green, Oh my goodness. You're all just 39 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:59,400 yeah soothing over there. So yeah, I I'm curious to 40 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:01,400 get your thoughts on last week's episode. Now we'll just 41 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:03,439 start kind of like non spoilers first and then get 42 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:05,959 into it. But feel free to just enlighten us on 43 00:02:06,239 --> 00:02:09,120 how you felt with the previous episode. Mm hmm. 44 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:13,319 Speaker 2: Yeah. It's funny too, because we were all of us 45 00:02:13,319 --> 00:02:16,280 on the first episode, and then the second episode, you 46 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:19,560 were away, last episode, I was away. This episode, Travis 47 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:21,400 is away. So yeah, I feel like we're kind of 48 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:24,599 playing like ring around the rosie here, like who's who's 49 00:02:24,599 --> 00:02:26,680 gonna be on what episode? So maybe next week we'll 50 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:32,120 I'll be back. But yeah, it's been extremely bar graft 51 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:34,080 chart going up and down for me. Where I really 52 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:37,280 did enjoy that first episode, second episode, I didn't really 53 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:39,199 enjoy that much, which yeah, you weren't on that episode, 54 00:02:39,199 --> 00:02:40,639 but yeah, I was not really a big fan of that. 55 00:02:41,159 --> 00:02:43,599 And then the third episode, which I also just watched today, 56 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:46,199 I actually really enjoyed that one for the most part. 57 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:48,199 So we're back up in a positive swing. I liked 58 00:02:48,199 --> 00:02:51,479 everything about that episode except for the just awful cgi 59 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:55,680 of the bike graveyard sequence, which Travis mentioned on the episode. 60 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:58,240 But then this week I'm backed down again. I didn't 61 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:00,319 really enjoy this one a whole lot. So I don't know, 62 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:04,199 this show is very I don't know, it's yeah, it's 63 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:07,000 I guess, on either end of the spectrum for me, 64 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:09,280 and so hopefully it can kind of round out in 65 00:03:09,319 --> 00:03:11,520 these next four episodes and be a little more consistent 66 00:03:11,879 --> 00:03:15,199 this episode is doing a lot. It's all over the place. 67 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:17,719 There's all sorts of stuff, a lot of exposition. Every 68 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:21,360 storyline's doing some things here or there. There's one storyline 69 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:25,080 that I'm pretty engaged with now, especially after what was 70 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:27,960 going on in episode three, But then some of the 71 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:29,759 other ones are kind of dragging their heels for me, 72 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:32,360 and you know, I hate to be that guy. But 73 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:33,800 going back to something I think I said in the 74 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:36,599 first episode is like, I just think the acting quality 75 00:03:36,639 --> 00:03:39,199 of some of the younger actors here is not great, 76 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:41,800 and this episode really stood out for me in that way, 77 00:03:41,919 --> 00:03:45,400 just certain sequences feeling kind of cheesy and then yeah, 78 00:03:45,479 --> 00:03:49,319 similar to the bike sequence from last week's episode, I 79 00:03:49,319 --> 00:03:51,599 thought the CGI in this episode was really bad. Like 80 00:03:51,719 --> 00:03:56,800 almost every sequence I thought looked really cheap, really goofy, 81 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:00,000 and just like one of them was like something stripped 82 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:02,400 Rado Spy kids like it was. It was not good 83 00:04:02,439 --> 00:04:04,960 at all, And so that's a kind of disappointing. I mean, 84 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:07,759 it's it's fun that every episode we are getting scares 85 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:09,960 and set pieces of new creatures and stuff, but when 86 00:04:10,039 --> 00:04:12,680 the quality the CGI is not quite there, it feels 87 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:15,360 like the budget was maybe spread a bit too thin 88 00:04:15,439 --> 00:04:18,279 on this uh this piece of bread here. That's a 89 00:04:18,319 --> 00:04:20,360 little bit disappointing. So unfortunately for me, I didn't really 90 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:21,959 get any good scares for me in this episode because 91 00:04:21,959 --> 00:04:25,240 everything just looked a little too goofy. But yeah, I 92 00:04:25,439 --> 00:04:27,279 think there is still some fun things to be had 93 00:04:27,319 --> 00:04:29,879 in this episode because there's just a lot going on. 94 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:32,040 So yeah, there should still be a fun time to 95 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:32,759 talk about. 96 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:37,480 Speaker 1: M M yeah. Uh yeah. For me, I this show 97 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:39,160 is just going up and up and up. I'm just 98 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,240 I'm I'm drinking the punch, the kool laterver you want 99 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:44,079 to call it. I've been, I've been enjoying it. And 100 00:04:44,199 --> 00:04:51,360 this episode was really really fantastic. There's one there's one 101 00:04:51,399 --> 00:04:54,079 specific character I think that's just making this show much 102 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:57,839 much more potent for me and and and better and 103 00:04:57,879 --> 00:05:01,079 everything that I'm really really just eating. And I'll highlight 104 00:05:01,079 --> 00:05:04,199 that when we get into the spoilers. But yeah, I'm 105 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:06,959 just I'm all, I'm all in right now. It's been 106 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:09,959 a really really enjoyable watch. I'm really excited for it. 107 00:05:10,079 --> 00:05:12,399 And this episode for sure had one moment but just 108 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:16,480 like you know something's coming, but it just I felt 109 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:19,720 the goosebumps. The hairs immediately stood up on my arms, like, oh, 110 00:05:19,759 --> 00:05:21,600 this is great, this is really good. And I mentioned 111 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:24,000 this last week with Travis. I think it was super 112 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:25,879 bad mic or it was s Pubs and Discord. They 113 00:05:25,959 --> 00:05:32,639 highlighted how much screen time the first four episodes scars 114 00:05:32,639 --> 00:05:35,920 Guard actually is there in the clown costume, and it's 115 00:05:35,959 --> 00:05:39,759 not much. It's like seconds. But I'm totally okay with that. 116 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:42,879 I think everything that we've gotten, you know, some very 117 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:45,360 questionable cgi like you highlighted the bike scene was like 118 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:47,519 it was like out of the Haunted Mansion ride or 119 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,959 something like that. It was very questionable. So I'm not 120 00:05:51,079 --> 00:05:54,680 all there for that, but I appreciate them not just 121 00:05:54,759 --> 00:05:58,000 slapping scars Guard, you know, pennywise right in your face. 122 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:01,319 It's like, keep them on the back burn and just 123 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:03,160 stew on that for a little bit and just have 124 00:06:03,319 --> 00:06:06,519 fun with the psychological aspect, which I'm really liking because 125 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:08,079 you get a lot of him in the movies, so 126 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:10,879 we we have that version of him, and so it's 127 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:14,800 I'm actually really thankful to see this other light of 128 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:18,079 the character, this other side where he's really just playing 129 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,040 the cards a little bit. And then in the movies, yes, 130 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:25,480 he does play things mentally a lot, but there's I 131 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:28,000 feel like there's just a different beat here with one 132 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:31,800 of our kid characters in this episode where I'm just thinking, 133 00:06:31,879 --> 00:06:33,800 where is this gonna go? Where's this gonna go? Why 134 00:06:33,879 --> 00:06:36,040 is why is this happening like this? And then at 135 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:39,560 the end of this this narrative that just happened, it's like, oh, 136 00:06:39,639 --> 00:06:42,399 penny Wise, you son of a bitch. You you you 137 00:06:42,439 --> 00:06:44,920 know how to play the play the field here, So 138 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:49,680 uh yeah, it's it's so far been really really delightful. 139 00:06:49,879 --> 00:06:53,560 But uh yeah, anything else you got? 140 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:57,399 Speaker 2: Uh non spoiler wise, No, I don't think so. 141 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:05,319 Speaker 1: All right, Well let's do some spoilers then, right now. 142 00:07:05,399 --> 00:07:08,720 And where do you want to start. 143 00:07:08,959 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 2: Well, let's start with your boy Halleran, because that's who 144 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:13,480 you're talking about a lot last week. That's who I 145 00:07:13,519 --> 00:07:17,199 think you were going again this time, because yeah, I wouldn't. 146 00:07:17,199 --> 00:07:20,160 Me and Travis talked on episode two. I didn't really 147 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:23,439 have any feelings developed it on that character, just because 148 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:25,279 it felt like we didn't really get a whole in 149 00:07:25,279 --> 00:07:27,040 that episode. Is more just kind of the name the 150 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:29,680 quick introduction. But I feel like with three and four 151 00:07:29,759 --> 00:07:32,040 it's really gone like, oh, he's just like one of 152 00:07:32,079 --> 00:07:35,279 the main like a plots that were gone, Like there's 153 00:07:35,279 --> 00:07:36,480 a lot going on this show, a lot of different 154 00:07:36,519 --> 00:07:39,600 characters with different motivations in different places, but he's just 155 00:07:39,639 --> 00:07:41,839 getting a ton of screen time between these two episodes. 156 00:07:42,199 --> 00:07:44,519 And yeah, I really like it too. And for me, 157 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,680 it's kind of less about the Shining connection with that character, 158 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:49,000 because you know, I've seen the Shining we did that 159 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:52,480 episode recently. But for me, it's just like, even in isolation, 160 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:55,600 what's going on here I think is pretty interesting because 161 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:57,720 obviously there isn't really anyone else quite like him who 162 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:01,600 has these powers in this world. Maybe like other characters 163 00:08:01,639 --> 00:08:03,240 are like slightly hinted at it, but in terms of 164 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:05,399 the stuff he's doing here, some of this like even 165 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:08,040 goes even beyond what kind of happens in the Shine, right, 166 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:09,399 Like we got a whole sequence where he just like 167 00:08:09,439 --> 00:08:11,920 invaded someone's mind for like fifteen minutes and learned like 168 00:08:11,959 --> 00:08:16,480 their whole upbringing pretty much. So it's pretty crazy stuff. 169 00:08:16,519 --> 00:08:18,720 But then we also see like what do you think 170 00:08:18,759 --> 00:08:21,279 is going on here with him kind of finding this 171 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:23,839 hidden bass it's kind of in the middle of nowhere. 172 00:08:23,879 --> 00:08:25,920 He brings his homies there, and they're like gonna set 173 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:28,839 this up as like a little station, but like they 174 00:08:28,839 --> 00:08:30,639 intentionally want it to be kind of like a hidden spot. 175 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:32,639 So I don't really know where that part of the 176 00:08:32,639 --> 00:08:34,320 storyline is going. I don't know what you thought about 177 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:34,919 that sequence. 178 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 1: Well, I mean it comes from like the general, right, 179 00:08:38,799 --> 00:08:42,399 mister Dexter, father Harry, Right, He's like, oh, I'll keey 180 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:44,559 up with the places de commission. You go out there 181 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:46,600 and boys will be boys kind of a thing, right, 182 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:50,679 So I feel like you're. 183 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:52,639 Speaker 2: But that doesn't really make for a TV show though, 184 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:54,080 Like they got to be doing something there. It's not 185 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:56,240 like we're just gonna have them like playing poker and 186 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:58,360 drinking beer there, right, There's gotta be something more to it. 187 00:08:58,519 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 1: I think. I think you'll probably get us a little 188 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:03,440 bit of a sequence to them having a good time 189 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:05,240 hanging out doing whatever. But I think it's going to 190 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:09,559 conclude rather rapidly once things like shit hits the fan 191 00:09:10,039 --> 00:09:13,879 or maybe that's one of the pillar low burial locations. 192 00:09:13,919 --> 00:09:16,159 Maybe it just happens to be underneath that house, and 193 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:18,639 that's where things are going to get really really crazy 194 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:21,799 and climactic, and things are going to kind of you know, 195 00:09:21,919 --> 00:09:25,600 convert converge right there, right, So I guess we'll have 196 00:09:25,639 --> 00:09:28,240 to wait and see. But hell, Rein is a character, 197 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:31,360 he's Yeah. Just the thing that gets me super excited 198 00:09:31,399 --> 00:09:33,200 is I can finish watching this show and then I 199 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:34,919 could put on the Shining and be like, in my head, 200 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,360 I can head Kennon oh direct sequel, even though it's 201 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:40,840 just the same character but very different stories. But I'm 202 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:45,360 really liking everything that he's he's at two and he's doing, 203 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:48,840 and last week just gave me the chills. The hebgb's 204 00:09:48,879 --> 00:09:53,480 when he's touching that slingshot goes into like Pennywise's layer 205 00:09:53,519 --> 00:09:55,559 and penny Wise is like, oh are you And I'm like, 206 00:09:55,759 --> 00:09:58,320 oh my god, this is crazy because you have I 207 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:02,159 think Travis highlighted Penny for the first time has an 208 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:07,240 encounter with someone that has a heightened spiritual kind of ability, 209 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:09,799 like supernatural abilities, which I don't think penny Wise has 210 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:12,639 never encountered that before. So it's just like it's like 211 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:14,879 an upping of the anti kind of thing, and I 212 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:17,799 really like that. And so of course Halloran's like, oh, 213 00:10:17,919 --> 00:10:19,559 you know, I think we should stop because I feel 214 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:21,360 like something bad is going to happen if we keep 215 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:25,159 pushing this, and yeah, it's just that bleeding into this 216 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:28,000 episode a little bit more. I've really liked how he 217 00:10:28,039 --> 00:10:30,279 sees his grandma. His grandma's tell him like, you got 218 00:10:30,279 --> 00:10:31,840 to keep a lid on it. You know, the shit's 219 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:35,919 about to get real, and he's just he wants to 220 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:40,039 tell I can't remember his name, but the pilot who 221 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,480 moved there with his wife and kid wants to tell 222 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:45,039 him more. But even then, he doesn't he doesn't have 223 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:48,120 all the information. He can't really relay that to him yet. 224 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:51,399 He just knows that they're looking for whatever this thing 225 00:10:51,519 --> 00:10:55,120 is and it's powerful. But as a character and him 226 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:57,480 using the psychic abilities, You're right, we haven't seen this 227 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:00,320 kind of stuff before and we don't really know what 228 00:11:00,399 --> 00:11:04,120 his his limits are. But I'm I'm just really really 229 00:11:04,399 --> 00:11:06,720 stoked to see what's gonna happen in this character, Like 230 00:11:06,799 --> 00:11:09,919 is he gonna get that another like direct face off 231 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:14,759 with Penny Wise or what's gonna happen there. But yeah, 232 00:11:14,799 --> 00:11:17,759 as much as he's like, he's very engaged in what 233 00:11:17,799 --> 00:11:20,360 his mission is and he's very like, yes, sir, I'll 234 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:22,559 do it, sir, he does it. It's fun to see 235 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:24,440 him too, like he just wants a place to chill 236 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:27,000 with this with his friends. 237 00:11:27,639 --> 00:11:30,039 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, especially like in this time period where we've 238 00:11:30,039 --> 00:11:32,799 seen that they've kind of sometimes get harassed when they 239 00:11:32,799 --> 00:11:35,600 go in like certain public places, so that makes sense. 240 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:38,320 But yeah, I think the this is kind of jumping ahead, 241 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:40,120 I guess, But since we're on the holler and stuff now, 242 00:11:40,279 --> 00:11:44,200 and when when we get to the interrogation sequence, I 243 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:46,679 I liked how intimidating he was in that, Like even 244 00:11:46,759 --> 00:11:49,159 just like he gets he cuts to the chase immediately 245 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:51,519 we're like, yeah, you could just tell me what's going 246 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:53,360 on here, or we could do this the hard way 247 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:55,600 and it's not gonna be pain it's gonna be painful, 248 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:56,799 it's not gonna be good for you, it's not gonna 249 00:11:56,799 --> 00:11:58,240 be good for me. We could just save everyone a 250 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:00,240 whole lot of time here, and obviously it does not 251 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:02,559 going that way. But I just thought that he was 252 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:05,519 very intimidating in that sequence, even though he seems like 253 00:12:05,519 --> 00:12:07,759 a kind of a sweet, nice guy for the most part. 254 00:12:07,759 --> 00:12:09,519 Obviously he's got like his demons and stuff, because this 255 00:12:09,639 --> 00:12:13,120 power is, you know, really messes with someone. But I 256 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:16,440 liked that, and I also just from the acting perspective, 257 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:18,080 was to me, he's one of like the acting highlights 258 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:19,840 of this show, especially when not a lot of the 259 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:22,919 actors are bringing it in my opinion. But even just 260 00:12:22,919 --> 00:12:24,600 like the way the things he was doing with his 261 00:12:24,639 --> 00:12:27,559 hands moving around his face as he was like going 262 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:30,039 like trying to dig into this guy's mind, I just 263 00:12:30,039 --> 00:12:31,840 thought it was cool and kind of different because I 264 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:33,600 feel like, you know, the Professor X are a lot 265 00:12:33,639 --> 00:12:37,279 of magic powers, telekinesis. It's always like characters always put 266 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:39,360 their fingers on their temple, right and then they like 267 00:12:39,399 --> 00:12:41,519 can go into someone's head. But I liked that he 268 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:43,639 was having to like pull his finger around his face 269 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:45,840 down his nose, almost like using it like a mask 270 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:49,039 or something. I just I just thought that was very 271 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:54,200 fun visually. So I enjoyed that part of it. Now, 272 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:57,360 the origin story part, I don't know if I enjoyed 273 00:12:57,399 --> 00:12:59,759 that part as much, but even like the metal layer 274 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:02,399 of it, of like him going into someone's head. Now 275 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:04,360 he's like going back to this childhood memory that this 276 00:13:04,759 --> 00:13:08,000 guy has and then we're going into like I guess 277 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:10,279 it's not really flashback from the kid's perspective, it's more 278 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:14,159 just like us visualizing this written, this tale that's been 279 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:17,759 passed down from generations old, which kind of gives us 280 00:13:17,799 --> 00:13:21,720 the backstory of how Pennywise crashed through a star from 281 00:13:21,759 --> 00:13:24,759 a star meteorite whatever. Onto Well, I guess pretty the 282 00:13:24,799 --> 00:13:28,360 exact same spot that, like that giant whole sewer entrance 283 00:13:28,399 --> 00:13:31,240 spot is that we're used to. Uh and then you 284 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:34,159 know that whole story from from there out. But uh, yeah, 285 00:13:34,159 --> 00:13:36,840 I in general, I really like, just from Hallarin's perspective, 286 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:38,759 that that element of it. And then even when we 287 00:13:38,799 --> 00:13:43,519 cut out of the origin story and the I guess 288 00:13:43,519 --> 00:13:46,000 the character's aunt, right, is that that's the connection there 289 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:48,960 was his grandma, it was his aunt right. Ant Yeah, 290 00:13:49,159 --> 00:13:51,399 when when her eye starts like glitching out a little 291 00:13:51,399 --> 00:13:53,159 bit and her hands freeze up, and then Hallarin just 292 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:55,759 like pops up behind her, it's like, god damn, Like 293 00:13:55,919 --> 00:13:58,960 I love this guy's presence. So I'm definitely an episode two. 294 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:00,600 I wasn't sure how it was gonna fit about this character, 295 00:14:00,639 --> 00:14:02,039 but now that we've bought a couple episodes with him, 296 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:04,200 I'm a big fan of him. And that sequence was 297 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:04,919 really cool. 298 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:09,159 Speaker 1: He felt like he's had a different kind of energy 299 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:13,159 to him. But after this this moment here and he's 300 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:15,720 like clapping and then he leans in and he smiles, 301 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:19,399 and I'm just like, man, now he's got Pennywise vibes 302 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:21,360 to him, because like, where are the pillars buried? I 303 00:14:21,399 --> 00:14:23,639 was like, is this like a weird like flip here? 304 00:14:23,679 --> 00:14:27,000 Did penny Wise seep into this now suddenly? But yeah, 305 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:30,000 that whole sequence is pretty cool, and it's just it's, yeah, 306 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:32,919 it's neat to kind of get this this insight too, 307 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:36,320 and the origin story. I was, I'm with you. I 308 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:38,320 was not expecting. I thought, Okay, the episode is wrapping 309 00:14:38,399 --> 00:14:41,840 up here, and Madison was kind of like she hasn't 310 00:14:41,879 --> 00:14:43,639 watched the first couple episodes, but I caught her up 311 00:14:43,679 --> 00:14:44,919 to speed, so she was kind of in and out 312 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:46,600 watching this one a little bit. But she like stepped 313 00:14:46,639 --> 00:14:48,320 out of the room and then it gets in like 314 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,080 millions of years ago. I was like, Madison, you better 315 00:14:51,159 --> 00:14:52,639 get back in here, Like I feel like this is 316 00:14:52,639 --> 00:14:54,600 gonna have a pretty big impact on like the first 317 00:14:55,039 --> 00:15:00,879 movie and whatnot. So yeah, holy smokes, that's that's the 318 00:15:00,919 --> 00:15:04,039 origin the glue, right, that's what they're called it. 319 00:15:04,919 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, the gloom. Maybe there was an m at the end. 320 00:15:07,519 --> 00:15:09,399 I couldn't quite tell. I feel like you always said 321 00:15:09,399 --> 00:15:11,360 it a little bit differently, but yeah, the glue gloom 322 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:11,960 something like that. 323 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 1: The glue. I wonder if that's actually something. I don't 324 00:15:15,759 --> 00:15:20,639 google it, but yeah, it was. It was neat. I know, 325 00:15:20,759 --> 00:15:22,919 like history Wise was the turtle, which is like the 326 00:15:22,919 --> 00:15:25,279 opposite of penny Wise, and they're just kind of like 327 00:15:25,679 --> 00:15:29,399 the thing that penny Wise fears. But yeah, so this 328 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:33,639 thing weighed around in the woods for humans to kind 329 00:15:33,639 --> 00:15:37,679 of pop up and appear, right, and eventually it started 330 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:41,480 just eating and it was going around everywhere, just killing 331 00:15:41,519 --> 00:15:44,240 the humans and whatnot. It got powerful enough once the 332 00:15:44,279 --> 00:15:46,919 settlers came, I was able to expand even further. But 333 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:51,159 it seems like its home base was always in the woods. 334 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:53,240 But then the pillars really kept it in the woods. 335 00:15:53,279 --> 00:15:57,080 And so the pillars are there, and it can go 336 00:15:57,159 --> 00:16:01,600 outside of the pillars, but only well maybe it can't 337 00:16:01,639 --> 00:16:04,399 go outside the pillars. I'm assuming dairy is built inside 338 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:06,559 the pillars. That's why they can kind of, I think. So. 339 00:16:06,639 --> 00:16:08,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think because the pillars from our perspective 340 00:16:08,879 --> 00:16:11,840 just all look like wooded areas or whatever. But I 341 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:13,919 think that's just because you know, the obviously development of 342 00:16:13,919 --> 00:16:14,960 the town hadn't happened yet. 343 00:16:15,039 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. Okay, so yeah, that makes that 344 00:16:17,639 --> 00:16:19,480 makes sense then, and so now we can connect the 345 00:16:19,519 --> 00:16:21,679 dots too with the sense Okay, the military wants to 346 00:16:21,679 --> 00:16:24,480 find the pillars because they want to create, like cage 347 00:16:24,559 --> 00:16:27,440 it and control this thing against the Soviet Union, which 348 00:16:27,679 --> 00:16:30,759 itself is a fucking crazy concept, but I'm on board 349 00:16:30,799 --> 00:16:33,480 with it. I think it's it's so zany uh and 350 00:16:33,759 --> 00:16:36,519 it's it's interesting too. But yeah, so it's cool to 351 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:39,879 kind of have that context now of what what's going 352 00:16:39,919 --> 00:16:42,440 on while they're there, and again a little bit more 353 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:43,480 history with Pennywise. 354 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:46,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's it's one of those weird things 355 00:16:46,639 --> 00:16:49,279 where like with this idea of like this being like 356 00:16:49,639 --> 00:16:52,759 a tradition, like a tale being passed down from generation 357 00:16:52,919 --> 00:16:55,639 generation generation for like hundreds of years, you would think 358 00:16:55,639 --> 00:16:58,799 it would be like a game of telephone, where like, okay, 359 00:16:58,799 --> 00:17:02,159 that information maybe is accurate to what it was originally, 360 00:17:02,279 --> 00:17:04,279 Like you know, everyone tells the story a little differently 361 00:17:04,319 --> 00:17:05,960 to their kid, and then their kid tells that story 362 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:07,440 a little bit differently to the next kid, and then 363 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:10,039 like the story is completely different from what it actually was, 364 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:12,720 But in terms of like the flashback kind of sequence 365 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:15,400 we're getting, it seems like, okay, it seems like that 366 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:17,880 that tale was passed down pretty accurately. It feels like 367 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:20,200 they're just kind of using this as like an exposition 368 00:17:20,279 --> 00:17:22,200 dumped to ten that tell us exactly what's going on. 369 00:17:23,039 --> 00:17:26,799 I think the sequence is pretty well done visually, but 370 00:17:26,839 --> 00:17:29,920 I honestly wasn't into it for me. I think it's 371 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,640 just it's just too much. I kind of want it 372 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,400 to remain a bit more mysterious, and now I just 373 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:38,519 feel like it's just so charted out that it takes 374 00:17:38,519 --> 00:17:41,759 away some of that mystery, which is inherently some of 375 00:17:41,799 --> 00:17:43,799 the frightening aspect of it. And I feel like I 376 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:46,079 just know too much now, Like I almost I wish 377 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:48,759 I could just remove that sequence from my brain and 378 00:17:48,799 --> 00:17:51,400 not know about that. So I don't know. We'll see 379 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:54,519 how I developed those feelings, but I feel like now 380 00:17:54,559 --> 00:17:57,240 even when I'm watching it chapter one, I'll be thinking 381 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:01,119 about like this and the origins with like too much detail, 382 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:02,960 like more than I want personally. So I'm curious to 383 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:06,000 see what other people think about that. If I'm maybe 384 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,079 if I'm on the island with that one. But I 385 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:11,480 think it was maybe a bit too much uh information 386 00:18:11,799 --> 00:18:13,039 that I that I would have liked. 387 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fair. I mean it definitely was a dump. 388 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:18,519 I mean it would have been nice if maybe they 389 00:18:18,519 --> 00:18:21,079 even spread that information out a little bit more. That 390 00:18:21,079 --> 00:18:23,240 would have been we really just got it all once 391 00:18:23,759 --> 00:18:27,000 we did. We did, and uh, oh, there was a 392 00:18:27,039 --> 00:18:34,680 point I wanted to bring up. Oh, I can't remember, Carol, 393 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:37,640 when I was gonna bring up shoot, it saluted me. 394 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:40,279 Speaker 2: It'll come back to you. It'll come back, it always does. 395 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:44,480 M I liked the visual we got of the kind 396 00:18:44,519 --> 00:18:48,400 of moose, which was like an early version of Pennywise 397 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:52,160 I guess, which was before because obviously if you throw 398 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:55,519 a clown at someone hundreds of years ago, I mean, 399 00:18:55,559 --> 00:18:57,640 it might be weird looking, but they might not necessarily 400 00:18:57,640 --> 00:18:59,119 be scared of it. But like they know what a 401 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:01,720 moose is, and like a freaky moose is a scary thing. 402 00:19:01,799 --> 00:19:03,839 So it makes sense that that would be like the 403 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:05,759 situation we got where it is now. It's like, oh yeah, 404 00:19:05,799 --> 00:19:08,359 people clowns are inherently a little bit freaky, and you 405 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:11,400 have especially scary clown that makes sense as like just 406 00:19:11,519 --> 00:19:14,920 a kind of default state for penny Wise. But obviously 407 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:17,599 when he like crashed into Earth hundreds and millions of 408 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:19,759 years ago, whatever, it's like, well, obviously he wouldn't be 409 00:19:19,799 --> 00:19:23,200 a clown t rex back then. Yeah, there's no concept 410 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:24,920 of what a clown was, so it'd have to be 411 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:27,720 just like a freaky yeah t rex to the other dinosaurs, 412 00:19:27,799 --> 00:19:31,720 just eating on all those whatever the cortisol blood or 413 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:35,519 whatever he was talking about when explaining that he likes 414 00:19:35,839 --> 00:19:37,519 he likes to build up the fear because then they 415 00:19:37,559 --> 00:19:41,680 taste better. Which I liked that analogy or not analogy, 416 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:43,880 but I guess that kind of description of him a lot. 417 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:45,440 I thought that was like a really good way to 418 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:48,839 put it. Just had a really visceral imagery to it. 419 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 1: Shout outs to our our movie absolutely, but yeah, no 420 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:58,720 that it's yeah, very cool. How it was just taking 421 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,480 this form of this moose and then that form shifted too. 422 00:20:01,599 --> 00:20:07,200 Where when the the war I'm not sure what you 423 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:10,880 would call it, the war crew, the war pack, They 424 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:13,559 went in there because they wanted to basically go chief 425 00:20:13,599 --> 00:20:15,720 wanted to rescue her daughter. Daughter went in there and 426 00:20:15,759 --> 00:20:18,039 took the shard to go and get more pieces of 427 00:20:18,079 --> 00:20:21,400 this cage. It was very sound strategy made sense. They 428 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:23,640 want to get more weapons and then and secure a 429 00:20:23,759 --> 00:20:27,240 lock down. But the war tribe pack went in there 430 00:20:27,319 --> 00:20:31,640 and didn't work out because the chief got taken out 431 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:35,079 and daughter almost saved her but wasn't able to in time. 432 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:39,359 And that whole sequence there though, you get to see 433 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:43,119 the whole pack is being attacked by penny Wise, and 434 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:45,000 penny Wise has taken all these different forms. Yeah, you 435 00:20:45,079 --> 00:20:47,160 got the moose in there, and then you've got the 436 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:50,039 other forms it looks like settlers, but then with the chief, 437 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:52,720 it's like this one notable form of it being this 438 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:57,519 this religious father figure, which again that's a pretty big 439 00:20:58,599 --> 00:21:02,119 that's a big thing too. That makes sense for the time, 440 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:07,480 right when you have all this conversion going on. Uh So, Yeah, 441 00:21:07,519 --> 00:21:11,559 it's just Travis mentioned too that the director really likes 442 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:14,279 to have these characters, these villains just kind of like 443 00:21:14,319 --> 00:21:17,279 stretch out into these long forms, because we saw that, 444 00:21:17,319 --> 00:21:19,680 I think it was last week when the two kids 445 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:21,960 were after the Circus sequence. They were in the woods 446 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:25,720 and the creature like was the creepy my man with 447 00:21:25,759 --> 00:21:27,400 the one eye, and then it like went into like 448 00:21:27,519 --> 00:21:30,519 super long legs form and was charging and so again 449 00:21:30,559 --> 00:21:33,440 that happened with this this scene, which this one got me. 450 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:35,319 I feel like it was a bit better CGI too. 451 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:36,440 It really freaked me out. 452 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:39,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, that one, the one you're talking about. I agree 453 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,240 that was a better sequence, and in general, I think 454 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,079 the origin story was. It feels like maybe that was 455 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:46,400 something that they knew they wanted from the beginning. Maybe 456 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:47,640 that had a bit more time to cook than some 457 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:49,880 of these other ones that were just kind of coming together. 458 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:51,880 So yeah, I agree with that for sure. 459 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:59,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, trying to think what else here, Well, I think 460 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:01,319 let's jump to a quick break and we'll be right back, 461 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,440 and we are back. So I wasn't able to think 462 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:06,279 that quick on it. 463 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:15,839 Speaker 2: But let's jump to the school and I guess, I guess, 464 00:22:15,839 --> 00:22:17,759 just the kids in general and what's going on with them. 465 00:22:17,799 --> 00:22:20,440 So obviously it starts out with them. Uh, they have 466 00:22:20,519 --> 00:22:23,839 the pictures that they got from last week from the 467 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:27,319 graveyard sequence, and then they've processed the was that this 468 00:22:27,319 --> 00:22:30,079 episode or last episode where they went into the dark rooms? 469 00:22:30,279 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 1: Last episode? 470 00:22:31,279 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so they did that, but this episode they 471 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:36,799 bring it to the police station to show to the sheriff. 472 00:22:37,079 --> 00:22:39,240 They kind of build it up this whole time, and 473 00:22:39,279 --> 00:22:41,079 then when he opens the envelope to look at the pictures, 474 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:46,359 Pennywise is obviously like switched out the images for just like, well, 475 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:47,799 one of them is still the same, I guess, but 476 00:22:47,839 --> 00:22:50,079 then the other ones have been switched out for you know, 477 00:22:50,319 --> 00:22:53,359 just like images that anyone could have taken and don't 478 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,279 really show anything particularly scary. And then even the one 479 00:22:56,279 --> 00:22:59,640 that doesn't is seemingly a shot of like Pennywise and 480 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:03,440 Cloud in clown form. It's like blurry enough that it's like, well, 481 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:05,359 I don't know what that is. It could be anything like, 482 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,720 We're not gonna go in on that. So that makes sense. 483 00:23:08,759 --> 00:23:11,079 I kind of figured like something like that would happen. 484 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:13,519 It wouldn't be quite that easy for them to just 485 00:23:13,519 --> 00:23:17,119 grab these I'm kind of surprised that the ghosts and 486 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,240 things even showed up in photographs. I thought that would 487 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,759 be The twist is that when they take these pictures 488 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:24,599 that just like, you know, the ghosts and whatever are 489 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,519 just like not in those pictures at all. But I 490 00:23:26,559 --> 00:23:28,400 think once again that kind of makes sense to kind 491 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,599 of mess with these kids even more would make sense 492 00:23:30,599 --> 00:23:32,160 to just wait until they get all the way to 493 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,640 police station with this you know, authority figure, and then 494 00:23:35,799 --> 00:23:37,559 then for that to be like kind of an embarrassing 495 00:23:37,599 --> 00:23:40,519 thing and like maybe make make it so that the 496 00:23:41,039 --> 00:23:43,119 in general, the police will probably just not want to 497 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,279 trust them going forward, you know, if they bring up 498 00:23:46,319 --> 00:23:48,200 more information, right, because they'll like creable, last time, we 499 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,440 brought us these pictures that meant nothing. So I think 500 00:23:50,519 --> 00:23:54,000 that was that was pretty well done. And then yeah, 501 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,440 I guess we get to like this kind of new 502 00:23:56,599 --> 00:24:01,079 crew of four people. So Ronnie and what's the main 503 00:24:01,079 --> 00:24:05,640 girl's name again, Lily, right, Ronnie and Lily. They've kind 504 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:07,880 of picked up these other two guys, Will who's the 505 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:09,839 son of the other couple that we've seen a lot of. 506 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,039 And then this other kid, Rich. Not A big fan 507 00:24:12,079 --> 00:24:15,160 of Rich. I'm just not liking this acting from him 508 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,920 and his little this little he's I guess he's like 509 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,119 the comedic relief character, but he's not really that funny. 510 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:23,000 So he's just a character who's in the mix, I suppose. 511 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,279 So I'm'm not a big fan of this new this 512 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,599 nude team that we have here. Then we get like 513 00:24:27,599 --> 00:24:31,240 this whole middle school sequence where Lily's old friend is 514 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,799 kind of talking to herd trying to ment some bridges. 515 00:24:35,079 --> 00:24:36,640 But then it turns out that it was like the 516 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,039 the popular girls just like trying to agger on and 517 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,400 embarrass her, and then that goes into a whole freaking 518 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,200 sequence where her eyes start popping out. So have we 519 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:49,839 seen something like that before, where Pennywise just we we 520 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:51,599 must have, but I just can't think of an example 521 00:24:51,599 --> 00:24:52,279 of the top of my head. 522 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,119 Speaker 1: Of it, like just physically altering. 523 00:24:54,799 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because he alters things are round people usually, 524 00:25:01,279 --> 00:25:03,200 but not necessarily people. 525 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:10,640 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, that's that's right. And I guess like in 526 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:15,200 this context, he's altering things around what is the girl's 527 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:16,839 name again, Sorry, I was. 528 00:25:16,759 --> 00:25:21,200 Speaker 2: In the bathroom stall, Lily, Marge is the. 529 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:27,279 Speaker 1: Right, So he's altering the surroundings for for Lily, and 530 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,880 so Lily sees it. Well, Marge also sees it. Two 531 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,480 But I don't know. I don't think he's really altered 532 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,279 a person like that before. And again, yeah, it was 533 00:25:36,319 --> 00:25:39,960 all fake, of course, just all in her head. But 534 00:25:40,039 --> 00:25:42,240 this is this is what I was talking about earlier anywise, 535 00:25:42,279 --> 00:25:46,640 Like it's just that she's just playing it because her 536 00:25:47,279 --> 00:25:49,279 I took it as the whole. I took it as 537 00:25:49,279 --> 00:25:51,759 it was because he was trying to set her up, right. 538 00:25:51,839 --> 00:25:54,160 He wanted it to look like she was cuckoo and 539 00:25:54,279 --> 00:25:56,160 killing her, attacking her, right. 540 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:57,680 Speaker 2: I guess so, But it would be it would be 541 00:25:58,079 --> 00:26:00,359 in their head for both of them then, because obviously 542 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:01,480 Margs seeing something freaky. 543 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:06,839 Speaker 1: Yes, and so I think it's like, again I can't 544 00:26:06,839 --> 00:26:09,279 remember his name, but the father and son they're out 545 00:26:09,319 --> 00:26:12,839 fishing and they both see the balloon, right, and I think, Okay, 546 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:14,319 this is a scenario where they're both. 547 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:19,559 Speaker 2: Sitting and yeah, yeah, seems to be the one thing 548 00:26:19,559 --> 00:26:21,519 that everyone sees all the time as balloons. 549 00:26:21,519 --> 00:26:23,079 Speaker 1: So that's like the balloons. 550 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,519 Speaker 2: That's the one that Pennywise will give you. That's the freebie. 551 00:26:26,319 --> 00:26:27,400 It's not gonna mess with that. 552 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but it's I took it as it was 553 00:26:33,039 --> 00:26:35,000 not really a thing because I feel like if you 554 00:26:35,039 --> 00:26:37,839 look at the movies too, with the Losers Club, when 555 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,599 he's altering the surroundings of the kids, the kids can 556 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,480 just be like, it's not real, it's not real, it's 557 00:26:42,519 --> 00:26:44,200 not real, and they like conquer their fear and then 558 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,039 the whole scene is back to normal, right. 559 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. 560 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,759 Speaker 1: So if she got that pill, that calming down pill 561 00:26:50,799 --> 00:26:55,559 into March, then would it have just ended oh man, 562 00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:58,839 or did she need to get it into her like. 563 00:26:59,079 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 2: Well, I don't think Lily eat it. 564 00:27:01,039 --> 00:27:01,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. 565 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,160 Speaker 2: I don't know if I guess that was her thought 566 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,960 with it, but I guess they both would have needed it. 567 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:08,599 And it seemed like there was only one pill because 568 00:27:08,599 --> 00:27:10,359 that was like the dramas that the one pill like 569 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,960 fell down the toilet, So I'm not too sure, but 570 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:14,400 that was a sequence I was talking about. This to 571 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,799 me just looked very spy kid z and cgi like 572 00:27:16,839 --> 00:27:20,559 I thought the eye thing looked really goofy, and because 573 00:27:20,559 --> 00:27:22,400 of that, not very scary. No, it was still like 574 00:27:22,839 --> 00:27:24,240 I was still on the edge of my seat cringing. 575 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:25,880 And when she goes up to like the buzz saw 576 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,119 it and the wood shop and like chops her eye, 577 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,599 her expanded eyes off, because that's just nasty, and I 578 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,359 thought something even worse was gonna happen, like her hair 579 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:34,799 was gonna get caught in it and like pull her 580 00:27:34,799 --> 00:27:36,839 through or something. So I ended up being like, not 581 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,640 as bad as it could have been, but then for me, 582 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:44,160 it was also extremely goofy. When you know she's on 583 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:45,599 the ground and she has like the knife in her 584 00:27:45,599 --> 00:27:48,599 hand and then like forty three kids walking that door 585 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,640 at the exact same time, and like see her with 586 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,359 the knife and then she like holds it like dramatically 587 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,680 for the fifteen seconds before she drops it, and so 588 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,480 I don't know. To me, the whole sequence was just 589 00:27:58,519 --> 00:28:01,680 a bit too goofy and not quite enough scary, And 590 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:03,400 it really makes me wonder what's gonna happen next with 591 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,880 this character, because as you and Travis talked about last 592 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,960 last episode, you know, the setup was that two episodes 593 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,440 of Goally was going to the I forget what the 594 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,839 place is called, but like the mental hospital. But then 595 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,480 she was just like out in episode three with like 596 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,480 we didn't see her spending we saw her have one 597 00:28:21,519 --> 00:28:23,720 conversation in that place. Then she was just out of it, 598 00:28:24,039 --> 00:28:26,279 so it seemed like, okay, she was not locked up here, 599 00:28:26,319 --> 00:28:28,240 but then they just kind of let her go. But then, like, 600 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,799 is the result of this gonna be that she goes 601 00:28:30,839 --> 00:28:33,680 back there? And so then we just like are doing 602 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,680 the run around, going back and forth. I don't really 603 00:28:36,799 --> 00:28:40,240 know what to expect with this, because you also think 604 00:28:40,279 --> 00:28:42,039 Marge would probably want to defend her and be like 605 00:28:42,079 --> 00:28:44,240 we no, she didn't stab me, Like this is some 606 00:28:44,279 --> 00:28:46,519 other thing. But then maybe the bab don't believe her 607 00:28:46,799 --> 00:28:48,640 and think that she's just trying to cover for a friend. 608 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:50,000 But it's like, well, if a friend was trying to 609 00:28:50,039 --> 00:28:51,960 stab her in the face, I don't think she would 610 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,480 want to defend her. So I don't know what's going 611 00:28:54,519 --> 00:28:56,400 to be follow out of this, but to me, it 612 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,960 all seemed a little goofy in terms of the execution. 613 00:28:59,559 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 1: You think that, but Marge is absolutely just she's she's 614 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,240 just She's gonna probably say like, oh no, she attacked me. 615 00:29:08,279 --> 00:29:10,200 She's crazy because she wants to be getting good with 616 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:15,480 the other people, right, So I just feel like she's 617 00:29:15,759 --> 00:29:18,559 trying so hard to just betray her friend and just 618 00:29:18,599 --> 00:29:20,480 be a bit of a bit of a meanie and 619 00:29:20,519 --> 00:29:21,160 a bully. 620 00:29:21,359 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 2: So yeah, but she was already kind of going back. 621 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,759 She was seemingly going to go back on that already 622 00:29:26,759 --> 00:29:27,799 in the bathroom, right. 623 00:29:28,039 --> 00:29:31,480 Speaker 1: Yes, And that's true, And there I started to pop. 624 00:29:31,599 --> 00:29:33,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, So she didn't think she was going to go 625 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,519 back or she's still was she gonna hold steadfast and 626 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,680 go with the I. 627 00:29:38,599 --> 00:29:41,519 Speaker 1: Think she has no reasonable explanation for what happens, so 628 00:29:41,559 --> 00:29:43,240 I think she's just gonna blame it on her friend. 629 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:44,880 She doesn't want to be looked at as a freak. 630 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,359 She's so self conscious as a character. So I think 631 00:29:47,559 --> 00:29:49,160 I think that's going to do her in. 632 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:51,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, I could see that. 633 00:29:51,599 --> 00:29:55,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, and yeah, I mean I will, I will. I'll 634 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,240 say that to The timing of just all the whole 635 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,599 school walking in there is just like, you know, it's 636 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:05,599 like when Harry Potter catches what's his name, mister Philch's 637 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,799 cat Missus Norris hanging upside down like petrified. The whole 638 00:30:09,799 --> 00:30:12,400 school just shows up. I didn't do it, you know, 639 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,559 that timing and all, But they set that scene up 640 00:30:15,599 --> 00:30:18,119 good where Marge is just like she grabs the knife 641 00:30:18,119 --> 00:30:21,039 and she starts just fucking shanking her her head. It's 642 00:30:21,039 --> 00:30:23,039 like Jesus Christ. And then she see the buzz song. 643 00:30:23,119 --> 00:30:25,079 She goes up to the saw and then she's up there, 644 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,680 so you see her hands are sliding and slipping on 645 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:29,920 the handles. You see her feet are just slipping off 646 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,599 the things. She's too short. It's like, oh no, my god. 647 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:36,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, super cringe. So what do you think will be 648 00:30:36,599 --> 00:30:39,599 the fallout there? Then? For Lily, Like, what's your prediction 649 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:40,839 here for the next episode. 650 00:30:42,119 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 1: Well, she's got to rely on her friends to get 651 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:46,640 her out. That's that's the main thing. 652 00:30:46,799 --> 00:30:53,039 Speaker 2: So they just need to get going back to the hospital. 653 00:30:53,279 --> 00:30:55,759 Speaker 1: You think, oh, well after this, I think so, yeah, 654 00:30:55,839 --> 00:30:59,759 she's going back for sure, which is a shame. I'm sure. 655 00:30:59,799 --> 00:31:00,240 I'm sure. 656 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,759 Speaker 2: I think she'll get out after seventeen minutes like she 657 00:31:02,799 --> 00:31:03,440 did last time. 658 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,079 Speaker 1: Well maybe, I guess we'll have to see. If I 659 00:31:08,079 --> 00:31:10,400 had to make an early on prediction, I think she's 660 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:14,799 gonna survive. I could see her staying. I could see 661 00:31:14,839 --> 00:31:17,039 her staying in there. And I don't think the show 662 00:31:17,119 --> 00:31:19,039 is going to have the most happiest of endings. I 663 00:31:19,039 --> 00:31:21,440 think it's gonna leave things very open and ambiguous and 664 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,440 maybe plant the seeds to just think, Okay, in the 665 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,759 next twenty seven years, we're going to get uh it 666 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,720 chapter one. That's going to be when that movie starts. 667 00:31:29,759 --> 00:31:31,480 And I think this is just going to wrap up 668 00:31:31,519 --> 00:31:33,920 with the military having to abandon the bandon the project, 669 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:35,759 as they alluded to it too in here, we're oh, 670 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,160 we've got to hurry before the cycle ends, and then 671 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,640 that's it, right, So I think that they're going to 672 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,319 give up, and when the military leaves, they're going to 673 00:31:42,359 --> 00:31:44,640 forget about penny wise, because that's the magic of dairy. 674 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,960 You just forget and you move on. So yeah, yeah, 675 00:31:49,599 --> 00:31:50,759 I don't know if any of the kids are going 676 00:31:50,839 --> 00:31:53,799 to die since that first episode, but I think the 677 00:31:53,839 --> 00:31:56,960 kids are just going to kind of disperse and not 678 00:31:57,039 --> 00:31:58,279 be in great places. 679 00:31:58,599 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 2: I guess we're halfway through. We could see a couple 680 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,559 more kills, I suppose. 681 00:32:03,359 --> 00:32:06,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, more. 682 00:32:08,319 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 2: Anything else on the kids, kids at school, the new squad? 683 00:32:13,079 --> 00:32:14,480 Do you like this new squad that we have? 684 00:32:18,039 --> 00:32:22,279 Speaker 1: This new squad that we got is I mean, there's 685 00:32:22,319 --> 00:32:24,160 something about the first one that I definitely was on 686 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:28,079 board with, but this this one, it's this one definitely 687 00:32:28,079 --> 00:32:29,880 has a lot more character to it. And I like 688 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,920 that they've you can feel that they're bonding together and 689 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:37,559 getting together. And I like the the military man his son. 690 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,440 I really like him. I like how he's just kind 691 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:40,400 of like figuring things out. 692 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:40,559 Speaker 2: Well. 693 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm really really liking his character a lot. 694 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 2: He seems super smart. 695 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:48,119 Speaker 1: For sure, he is super super smart. And yeah, he's 696 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,680 kind of that you were alluding to earlier, the adrenaline 697 00:32:52,079 --> 00:32:53,759 in the blood and all that kind of stuff, just 698 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:55,720 you know, hunting prey and it's just how he's figuring 699 00:32:55,759 --> 00:32:58,200 things out and whatnot. I like that. And again that 700 00:32:58,279 --> 00:33:00,640 scene again when he's up on his his telescope and 701 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,640 he's looking at the stars and he's just like that 702 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,880 aime pans down and he's going you see, like Pennywise, 703 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,799 a silhouette behind that tree. I had those goosebumps. Man, 704 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,200 that just freaked me out. Oh my goodness. 705 00:33:12,279 --> 00:33:16,079 Speaker 2: So but again that's but it was still like, at 706 00:33:16,079 --> 00:33:17,279 what second is it going to happen? 707 00:33:17,359 --> 00:33:21,359 Speaker 1: So oh for sure, And that narrative with him and 708 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,720 his dad, that's kind of like crossing over now, which 709 00:33:23,759 --> 00:33:26,519 I'm I'm I'm happy about because I like that. That's 710 00:33:26,559 --> 00:33:28,680 going to be really cool to see how that unfolds 711 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:30,160 with them, because I think they're gonna bond a bit 712 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:31,759 more about that. And then you've got the narrative with 713 00:33:31,799 --> 00:33:37,200 the mom where she's trying to save the projectionist right 714 00:33:37,279 --> 00:33:39,559 and get them all these rights, and I think that's 715 00:33:39,559 --> 00:33:44,200 just going to be interesting how that's going to transition, 716 00:33:44,359 --> 00:33:46,799 because now you have this dynamic with the projectionist where 717 00:33:46,799 --> 00:33:49,480 he's like, oh, he's with a white woman and this 718 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,000 is just a whole can of worms yep, and we 719 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:53,359 don't even know who that lady is. 720 00:33:53,759 --> 00:33:56,519 Speaker 2: So yeah, that's the kind of thing I thought we 721 00:33:56,519 --> 00:34:00,000 were building up to that, Like he he was gonna say, well, 722 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,039 it started out that he was like I was with 723 00:34:02,079 --> 00:34:04,119 a married woman, and then it was like, oh, it 724 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:05,759 turns out with a white one. I thought what he 725 00:34:05,799 --> 00:34:07,079 was going to build up to was like it was 726 00:34:07,119 --> 00:34:10,400 the sheriff's wife or something like that, like a specific character. 727 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,079 So maybe we will get to that point, like maybe 728 00:34:13,079 --> 00:34:15,960 it'll be I don't know. It seems like to him 729 00:34:16,119 --> 00:34:19,159 obviously that alibi is not worth using because it would 730 00:34:19,159 --> 00:34:21,320 be worse than if he doesn't use the alibi at all. 731 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,039 So that's obviously not that's why he's doing it. But 732 00:34:24,039 --> 00:34:26,280 I wonder if it is like a named character. But yeah, 733 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,360 it seems like those connections are becoming a bit more 734 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,480 entangled now where we got this dynamic where the sheriff 735 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:36,800 obviously had this connection with that one indigenous woman from 736 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:38,599 like way back in the day. They were like, you know, 737 00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:42,880 friends and dairy all these years ago. And now Will's mom, Charlotte, 738 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:44,920 is kind of hanging out with her and she got 739 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,559 her number and they're kind of connecting as well. So yeah, 740 00:34:47,599 --> 00:34:49,480 and then obviously she goes and talks to the sheriff 741 00:34:49,519 --> 00:34:50,920 and kind of gets shut down. So there's like all 742 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:52,920 these kind of like web now of all this, all 743 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,599 these way these these characters are intertwined and otherwise. So yeah, 744 00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:00,599 I really liked that scene with Charlotte Will's mom when 745 00:35:01,039 --> 00:35:03,960 she goes back to the police station for the second 746 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:05,599 time and she's like, hey, you gotta let me talk 747 00:35:05,599 --> 00:35:07,679 to him, or she just like pretty much threatens him 748 00:35:07,679 --> 00:35:09,559 with all these things. I couldn't even recite. I don't 749 00:35:09,559 --> 00:35:11,400 know what it was, but she was like spitting fire. 750 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,639 It was great. She was like shutting him down a 751 00:35:13,679 --> 00:35:15,400 big time and obviously got what she wanted. She got 752 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,159 that conversation and a lot of info out of it. 753 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,400 So yeah, I like that sequence. I'm really liking that character. 754 00:35:20,599 --> 00:35:23,760 I think, once again, early on in the show, it's 755 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:25,639 like I don't know where any of these storylines are going. 756 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:27,599 They could go in any manner of directions, but I 757 00:35:27,679 --> 00:35:30,239 really like what's going on with her. And there's like 758 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,960 always a little bit of tension with her and the husband, 759 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,159 Like even at Danner when she was like like, hey, 760 00:35:35,159 --> 00:35:37,519 we gotta do something fun with our son, or like 761 00:35:37,559 --> 00:35:39,079 you gotta do something fun with your son, and he's 762 00:35:39,119 --> 00:35:41,079 like almost giving her like a side eye when she 763 00:35:41,159 --> 00:35:42,760 like suggests that, which is like this is not a 764 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,000 very big ask, dude, like chill out. So there's like 765 00:35:45,039 --> 00:35:47,760 a little bit of drama there. And then obviously just 766 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,079 everything with her going around the town and kind of 767 00:35:50,559 --> 00:35:52,400 getting caught a little bit, and then he blames her 768 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,400 for like the person that will saw with the window, 769 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,400 which obviously is not the case at all, but obviously 770 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,079 that wedge is being dry driven between them. So I 771 00:35:59,079 --> 00:36:01,360 think this dynamic is working pretty well for me. The 772 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,400 only thing that thought was again a little bit cheesy, 773 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,320 was just how she was like, oh I was I 774 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:07,880 was just cleaning up your room and I found this 775 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,360 hidden drawer filled with the envelope of pictures and it 776 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:11,840 SAYM like okay, And that was like a little bit 777 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,079 goofy that she just happened to pall in this thing. 778 00:36:14,119 --> 00:36:17,000 But you know, Minor, that's a I'm just picking knits 779 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:18,880 in that situation. It's not a big deal. So it's 780 00:36:19,079 --> 00:36:20,360 I can I can look past that? 781 00:36:22,519 --> 00:36:23,400 Speaker 1: Yeah? 782 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:27,880 Speaker 2: Cool they I guess we can talk about that water 783 00:36:28,079 --> 00:36:30,679 sequence a bit more when they're going fishing together, which 784 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,679 like really good build up there. The tension is building, 785 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,920 like as soon as the dad walks away to go 786 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:37,440 back to the car to get the bait or whatever 787 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,119 it was or the string. And then we just got 788 00:36:40,119 --> 00:36:41,920 like a couple of different at camera angles, and there's 789 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,119 that one that's like pulled out from like the woods 790 00:36:44,119 --> 00:36:46,159 on the side. It's kind of like surrounded by shrubs, 791 00:36:46,159 --> 00:36:48,159 and it's just like the kid hanging out in the water. 792 00:36:48,199 --> 00:36:50,800 It's like, damn, that was a good, just suspense building shot. 793 00:36:51,079 --> 00:36:53,719 He turns back, like the water it's not quite bubbling, 794 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:55,320 but it looks like it's like bubbling, you know, like 795 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,280 obviously the way the stream is building up. It's just 796 00:36:57,559 --> 00:36:59,840 building that tension in a good way. And then again, 797 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,360 didn't love the CGI when he actually gets pulled under 798 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,119 my dad. I thought it looked kind of cheesy, But 799 00:37:04,159 --> 00:37:10,039 overall that sequence was pretty good CGI aside, And yeah, 800 00:37:10,519 --> 00:37:13,400 again I feel like that is obviously building like some 801 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,000 tension between the sun and him of just like the 802 00:37:16,079 --> 00:37:18,119 thing he fears the most is his dad. I guess 803 00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,880 like that's that's the takeaway there, which is not great. 804 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,159 But then also his dad can kind of came to 805 00:37:24,159 --> 00:37:26,960 save the day when he had that scare in the 806 00:37:27,039 --> 00:37:30,000 evening when he saw penny Wise out the window. So 807 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,280 I don't know, just just a lot of different dynamics 808 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,800 going on with that family. It's a it's a complex family, man. 809 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,039 There's a lot going on with them, it is. 810 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,679 Speaker 1: And I mean I took it a different way where 811 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,480 he saw his dad, but his dad was burnt up 812 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,159 from the plane crash, and I think he's afraid of 813 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,199 his dad passing from that crash. 814 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:49,800 Speaker 2: Okay, good, good interpretation. 815 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,199 Speaker 1: I think there's gonna be a very interesting kind of 816 00:37:52,199 --> 00:37:55,960 fascination here with penny Wise, because like penny Wise, he 817 00:37:55,960 --> 00:38:00,280 he can he feeds off of your fear, and that's 818 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,079 how we can get that kill, right, And if you're 819 00:38:02,079 --> 00:38:03,679 not afraid of him, well it's like, well okay, we 820 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,119 got a big problem. So the thing I think it 821 00:38:06,119 --> 00:38:10,599 was episode two when Halaran was clocked into his mind 822 00:38:10,639 --> 00:38:13,840 a little bit and they this is after that he 823 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,039 was able to prove like, okay, the military came at me, 824 00:38:17,199 --> 00:38:19,199 my own guys. It was a test to prove how 825 00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,119 I was loyal, all that kind of jazz, and so 826 00:38:21,679 --> 00:38:23,400 he knew Hallaran was one of the guys were in 827 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,320 a gas mask that was there and Hollaran was in 828 00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,119 his mind. And so when they're coming to terms with this, 829 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,719 Howaran's like, hey, that place where you know, I'm reading 830 00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:34,119 people's minds. They get afraid, they think about their family, 831 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,280 think about regrets, all these different things. But He's like, 832 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,280 when I was in your mind, when you're supposed to 833 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,079 be thinking about fear, the only thing that was there 834 00:38:41,159 --> 00:38:42,960 was your next move kind of a thing like you 835 00:38:43,039 --> 00:38:47,719 were analyzing. And I think, Okay, well that's interesting because 836 00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:49,679 that's going to be something that plays with Pennywise. Because 837 00:38:49,679 --> 00:38:51,199 if penny Wise is always there and he's trying to 838 00:38:51,199 --> 00:38:53,320 get your fear, like okay, not this guy. This guy 839 00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,480 is going to be analyzing. And I think, okay, that's 840 00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,639 why we got that second balloon here. Penny Wise doesn't 841 00:38:58,679 --> 00:39:04,400 need to be messing around with the parents, right, Like 842 00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,920 he's messed around trying to get to Will at this point. 843 00:39:07,039 --> 00:39:09,920 So for the dad to be seeing the balloons, I 844 00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,239 feel like, Okay, this is Pennywise trying to pull the 845 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,360 strings a little bit and maybe fuck with him and 846 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,559 try and test and see, Okay, where is this fear? 847 00:39:17,679 --> 00:39:20,400 Like he doesn't have any like and maybe I'm overthinking 848 00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,280 it and diving a little too deep into it. But 849 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,960 that's just where I'm my head is at with it, 850 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:26,599 and I hope that they run with it. I really 851 00:39:26,599 --> 00:39:28,280 really do, because I'd like to see more of it. 852 00:39:29,119 --> 00:39:30,639 Speaker 2: No, it's a good point, Like I feel like it 853 00:39:30,679 --> 00:39:32,119 is kind of opposite to what we see with a 854 00:39:32,159 --> 00:39:35,840 lot of other dynamics, where usually in the movies, whatever, 855 00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:39,119 it is, like the kids see something weird, freaky they're 856 00:39:39,119 --> 00:39:41,079 bringing up to an adult I all doesn't believe them. 857 00:39:41,119 --> 00:39:43,480 That's kind of what we get. But in this situation, 858 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,199 we've had like two situations back to back where the dad, 859 00:39:46,679 --> 00:39:49,039 uh maybe doesn't see this thing exactly, but he's getting 860 00:39:49,079 --> 00:39:53,559 like this weird balloon. Obviously, if a balloon is floating sideways, 861 00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,119 that is already weird because like that's not how balloons work. 862 00:39:57,519 --> 00:39:59,559 So he's already freaked out there. And then obviously has 863 00:39:59,599 --> 00:40:01,480 that sequel where okay, there was someone outside the house 864 00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,000 and now there's that bloom back in the tree, So 865 00:40:03,039 --> 00:40:05,880 it's kind of confirming that his son is seeing something 866 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,679 weird and there is something off, and so yeah, like, 867 00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,880 why why is Pennywise doing that? Why is he like 868 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:16,239 kind of leaving this evidence here? Especially like someone who's 869 00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,000 connected with the military and the police and like has 870 00:40:19,039 --> 00:40:21,800 all these connections. It seems like that's not the person 871 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:25,480 you'd want to, I don't know, leave the thread to 872 00:40:25,559 --> 00:40:28,679 beet pulled on. So I think, interesting dynamic there, and 873 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,119 something kind of different than we're getting from like the 874 00:40:31,159 --> 00:40:34,199 other parents or other just like adults in general in 875 00:40:34,679 --> 00:40:35,119 this show. 876 00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it is that. Just to cap it off 877 00:40:39,079 --> 00:40:40,800 for me, that river seeing it was great. As soon 878 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,880 as the dad leaves, just the tonal shits like, oh man, 879 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,960 it's just you know something's coming. And I thought it 880 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:48,400 was gonna be the fish that was going to turn 881 00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,880 into something weird, but they got me. Mm hmm. 882 00:40:52,079 --> 00:40:53,679 Speaker 2: Yeah. I thought the fish was going to jump out 883 00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,280 and have like the big pennywise chompers, like Piranha style 884 00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,519 and just attack him. But it was something freakier than that. 885 00:41:00,039 --> 00:41:06,880 Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. Yeah. Cool. Anything else you want to highlight? 886 00:41:09,639 --> 00:41:11,320 Speaker 2: Are we forgetting anything? I think that was all this 887 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:13,760 catching up. That was everything pretty. 888 00:41:13,559 --> 00:41:18,559 Speaker 1: Much right, I think it was. I think it was yeah, yeah, 889 00:41:18,639 --> 00:41:21,639 I'm good then cool cool, cool? All right, well, ladies, gentlemen, Yeah, 890 00:41:21,639 --> 00:41:23,239 thank you for tuning in. We're going to be back 891 00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:27,920 next week. With episode five and we'll see, uh, if 892 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,679 one of us is missing on that episode will show up. 893 00:41:33,079 --> 00:41:34,639 All three of us will be gone. It'll just be 894 00:41:34,679 --> 00:41:39,840 a Kirkland solo that's yeah. But anyways, have a great 895 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,159 rest of your night and we'll see you in the 896 00:41:42,199 --> 00:41:44,159 search bar. Have a good one, Good night,