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Speaker 2: I'm Rick, I'm Kristen, and.
Speaker 1: We're here with Justin Brown. He's from the Dig podcast
Speaker 1: and they're doing great things. You can get their podcast
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Speaker 1: to have a quick conversation with him today about how
Speaker 1: his podcast is going, how it's being received. But also
Speaker 1: Justin has a lot of knowledge when it comes to
Speaker 1: the biblical worldview that we've been talking about and trying
Speaker 1: to illustrate for you guys. And so today we're going
Speaker 1: to talk about the three rebellions in the Bible. Most
Speaker 1: of us think of one rebellion when we think of
Speaker 1: the Bible, but there are actually three and they're all
Speaker 1: very significant. So before we jump into that, justin just
Speaker 1: tell us what got you started in podcasting?
Speaker 2: What made you decide to start a podcast?
Speaker 3: Well, honestly, it was back in like twenty twelve. I
Speaker 3: discovered Tray Smith on YouTube and already had a good
Speaker 3: passion and love for the Word, but when I was
Speaker 3: hearing the stuff he was talking about and how there
Speaker 3: was just so much more. I mean, I always had
Speaker 3: that seek, you know, seeking you shall find mentality. I
Speaker 3: knew that there was more there than what I was
Speaker 3: being taught, and I guess just the Holy Spirit led
Speaker 3: me there in twenty twelve when I was actually ready
Speaker 3: for it. So once he I discovered his videos, I
Speaker 3: really just took a deep dive into the scripture and
Speaker 3: watching all these videos on YouTube, and long after that
Speaker 3: I found Mike Haiser and it just totally little fired
Speaker 3: up underneath me, man, and it just sent me down
Speaker 3: this long journey and hundreds of books and hundreds of
Speaker 3: hours of study, and it was just awesome all the
Speaker 3: doors that God was opening up and all the things
Speaker 3: that He was showing me. And I honestly just wanted
Speaker 3: to share that with other people because I knew what
Speaker 3: had done for me in my faith, and connecting those
Speaker 3: dots and answering the wise, it brought me closer to God.
Speaker 3: You know, I grew up in church, you know, my
Speaker 3: whole life. I knew all these stories, but I'd heard
Speaker 3: them so many times. They were kind of mundane. They
Speaker 3: had no real significance. It's like, yeah, I know, Jesus
Speaker 3: went to the cross, you know, yes, I know Goliath
Speaker 3: was a giant David slewing with a stone. But once
Speaker 3: I actually started connecting the dots and seeing the wise,
Speaker 3: it really brought it to life for me, and it
Speaker 3: really give me a whole new appreciation for my word.
Speaker 3: And I just wanted to share that with others. And
Speaker 3: I honestly started a small group and I invited like
Speaker 3: fifteen twenty friends, and four guys showed up, and three
Speaker 3: meetings later, my buddy Stephen, he was like, man, we
Speaker 3: should be recording this, and I was like, recording it
Speaker 3: like for Facebook. He's like, no, a podcast, And at
Speaker 3: this point I was I didn't really know what a
Speaker 3: podcast was. I had actually just started, you know, listening
Speaker 3: to the Naked Bible podcast and I was like, no,
Speaker 3: you know, I know they talk on a podcast, but
Speaker 3: that's about it. Man, I don't know nothing about podcastsing know,
Speaker 3: we ain't doing that. And thank god, he rode me
Speaker 3: like a borrowed mule, and eventually I was like, all right,
Speaker 3: let's do this. And his brother, luckily he done podcasting,
Speaker 3: had some experience, so he kind of trained us and
Speaker 3: show us how to do this thing, and you know,
Speaker 3: eight months later, here we.
Speaker 2: Are, Yeah, well that's awesome. Man.
Speaker 1: It's really growing and it's it's just, you know, once
Speaker 1: God is involved, it seems like the growth just comes
Speaker 1: and and you're not even you know, you're you're you're
Speaker 1: barely thinking that this thing is going to do anything,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden it takes off and it's
Speaker 1: pretty wild to see. And we're grateful to see other
Speaker 1: people out there doing this work as well.
Speaker 2: So good on you man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like a what is it the field of dreams?
Speaker 3: You know, build it and they will come. Yeah, it's
Speaker 3: you know, we're just you know, three rednecks talking out
Speaker 3: of a garage in East Tennessee. And like I said,
Speaker 3: you know, we're eight months in and we've just surpassed
Speaker 3: ten thousand downloads and two hundred subscribers, and it's just
Speaker 3: like we just doing this because we thought it was
Speaker 3: fun and maybe a few people will enjoy it, you know,
Speaker 3: So this this is awesome.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well and you find that, you know, people aren't really
Speaker 1: that interested in the news anymore, because everybody's starting to
Speaker 1: see through the lies and see through the you know,
Speaker 1: all of the facade is beginning to crumble around us,
Speaker 1: you know, and I think people are hungry for truth.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm hungry if I'm for me anyway, going
Speaker 1: to church for a long time was just like torture,
Speaker 1: you know, because I loved God and I wanted to
Speaker 1: do my my due diligence. But it was like torture
Speaker 1: because they weren't talking about anything of substance. It was
Speaker 1: like We're just going to share the same stories over
Speaker 1: and over and over again, and there was no gravity
Speaker 1: to it.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I felt like the scripture, you know, you shouldn't you
Speaker 1: shouldn't be on milk. You know, I'm paraphrasing, obviously, but
Speaker 1: you shouldn't be on milk anymore.
Speaker 2: You should be on meat.
Speaker 1: You should have you should have come to a place
Speaker 1: in your faith where you're you're taking in more than
Speaker 1: just the things that got you in the door. Obviously,
Speaker 1: Jesus salvation is important, but then there's a lot more
Speaker 1: to the story, and those are the things that we're
Speaker 1: trying to bring out.
Speaker 3: So which I was just going to say, I hate sound,
Speaker 3: you know, all new agey, but you know, we are
Speaker 3: in the age of a core Is, you know, and
Speaker 3: it says that in the last days I will pour
Speaker 3: out my spirit upon all flesh, you know, and knowledge
Speaker 3: will increase, you know, the old men will have dreams
Speaker 3: and the young men will prophesy. I think we're seeing that.
Speaker 3: And there's such a craving for the supernatural and spiritual
Speaker 3: things today and the Bible is the number one source
Speaker 3: of those things. But the Church has a very truncated
Speaker 3: view of the supernatural. You know, we believe in Jesus
Speaker 3: as far as the immaculate conception, you know, the miracles
Speaker 3: and the resurrection, but it's like the buck stops at
Speaker 3: Jesus and it's like, no, there's so much more there.
Speaker 3: And that's why Ancient Aliens, ghost Hunters, shows like that
Speaker 3: are doing so well today, because the people are hungry
Speaker 3: for it. You know, the harvest is ripe. The church
Speaker 3: is not ready to step up to the plate and
Speaker 3: talk about what's in our book.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I might agree with that completely.
Speaker 1: So let's get into it. Man, Let's talk about these
Speaker 1: three rebellions. As I assuming before, we've got three rebellions,
Speaker 1: and why don't you start us off with the first one?
Speaker 1: And I think the one that most of us are
Speaker 1: most familiar.
Speaker 3: With, Yeah, see with that is too is this If
Speaker 3: you know the three rebellions, it's a good way to
Speaker 3: combat you know, the atheists, you know that want to say,
Speaker 3: you know, well, if there is a loving God, why
Speaker 3: is the world in the way that it's in right now?
Speaker 3: What's because they don't know these supernatural things. This is
Speaker 3: a these three rebellions in the story of the Bible.
Speaker 3: It's the greatest story that's ever been told. But it's
Speaker 3: not being told.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: Look look at the Game of Thrones, you know, number
Speaker 3: one hit show. Everybody loves it, right, It's a show
Speaker 3: about an empire Well, what happens. You have a king
Speaker 3: that unites the empires and the realms. Well, then you
Speaker 3: have his inner court, you know, deceiving one another, plotting
Speaker 3: and scheming to overthrow. Then chaos breaks out, war, then
Speaker 3: the prince is sent away, and then he has to
Speaker 3: come back and reclaim his throne. You know. That's the
Speaker 3: story of the Bible, you know, but we just don't
Speaker 3: see that. But yeah, when you come to the first rebellion,
Speaker 3: that's most familiar with everybody, you know, it is Adam
Speaker 3: and Eve and the serpent. Well, in the original language
Speaker 3: of that word is nakash. Well, the nakash the Hebrew
Speaker 3: language is very diverse, much like English. You can have
Speaker 3: one word and have multiple meanings. Well, it can mean serpent,
Speaker 3: but it can also mean the shining one or the
Speaker 3: one who practices divination. So one thing that should stand
Speaker 3: out to us when we read that. You know, this
Speaker 3: serpent comes up to Eve, starts talking to her and
Speaker 3: suggests that she should eat from this tree. Well, number
Speaker 3: one thing we should notice, snakes don't talk. Number two,
Speaker 3: how did she read act to this snake talking? She
Speaker 3: wasn't afraid, she wasn't taken back by it. And then
Speaker 3: number three, she trusted this snake. She never questioned it.
Speaker 3: And you've talked about, I've heard you on your show
Speaker 3: talk about, you know, the Divine Council worldview and things
Speaker 3: like that. Well, Eden was on God's holy mountain. It
Speaker 3: was a garden, and God walked with Adam and Eve. Well,
Speaker 3: there was other supernatural entities that was there with them,
Speaker 3: you know. And job It talked about at Creation that
Speaker 3: the morning stars sang for joy at the side of creation.
Speaker 3: You know, these heavenly created beings, these you know, lowercase
Speaker 3: g gods Eloheim were basically our elder brothers. You know,
Speaker 3: our elder brothers are supposed to be our keepers and
Speaker 3: look out for us. But what happened was was this
Speaker 3: Nakash seeing the love and the favor that he had
Speaker 3: for the younger brother, which is a common thing we
Speaker 3: see throughout the Bible, and jealous see set in and
Speaker 3: he deceived us, you know, so like and one thing
Speaker 3: we can see that is an example like in Ezekiel
Speaker 3: twenty eight. You know, there's two parts to that one
Speaker 3: and Ezekiel twenty eight he's talking to the King of Tire. Well,
Speaker 3: then when you read the second part of that he's saying,
Speaker 3: you know, you were perfect in the days that you
Speaker 3: were created. You know, every precious stone was you're covering,
Speaker 3: you were in the garden of God, you know, and
Speaker 3: all these you know, descriptive things that says, you know,
Speaker 3: you were a guardian Cherub. So it's a two part
Speaker 3: like prophecy or proclamation. He's not only speaking to the king,
Speaker 3: he's speaking to the spirit and the cash behind this ruler.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 3: So, and that goes back into the whole you know,
Speaker 3: Dudterrhoney thirty two, and also with the on earth as
Speaker 3: it is in heaven. So, I mean that was the
Speaker 3: first and everybody's familiar with. But I just wanted to
Speaker 3: add that little caveat about the nakash because that's something
Speaker 3: that's overlooked a lot, but.
Speaker 1: That's pretty important to know the original language and the
Speaker 1: original context. And we've been trying to hammer that point
Speaker 1: home in our podcast, and I know doctor Michael Heiser
Speaker 1: and many others are you know, doing the same. They
Speaker 1: want people to realize that we're not reading this the
Speaker 1: way that you know, our modern society is reading it.
Speaker 1: We're reading it from their perspective, and that's when these
Speaker 1: diamonds in the rough begin to start showing themselves.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 3: And then the second one is, you know, one of
Speaker 3: my favorites and everybody loves, you know, the Fallen Angels
Speaker 3: and the giants. You know, so you've got Genesis sixers
Speaker 3: with the Fallen Angels. Of course, you got the you know,
Speaker 3: the Book of Enoch. You know, it says that they
Speaker 3: landed on Mount Hermon, and when they land, you know,
Speaker 3: they it talks about all these different forbidden knowledge that
Speaker 3: they teach these people. So they took you know, wives
Speaker 3: for themselves, created Nephelim giants, taught them all this forbidden knowledge.
Speaker 3: And you see this echoed throughout history, through all the
Speaker 3: different cultures, same story, just different versions and spins. You know,
Speaker 3: with the Greeks you have Prometheus. Prometheus stole the fire,
Speaker 3: which is symbolic for the knowledge and gave it to humanity.
Speaker 3: Well what happens Zeus takes him and sends him down
Speaker 3: to Tartarus.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: With the Mesopotamians, you have the seven op cal loose Sages,
Speaker 3: and they're actually even depicted as fish swimming through the
Speaker 3: flood and giving the knowledge to mankind. And what happens
Speaker 3: to God all gets enraged sends him to the underworld.
Speaker 3: So I mean you have this over and over and
Speaker 3: over again throughout just many cultures. So I mean, I'm
Speaker 3: not a coincidence theist. You know, when you see all
Speaker 3: these things add up like that, it's probably happened.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But what's crazy is when you I want to explain
Speaker 3: what they call a contract law and stuff like that,
Speaker 3: and with Adam's dominion, and this is the wise that
Speaker 3: I talk about. We recently had David Paxton on our
Speaker 3: show and he talked about you know, contract law and
Speaker 3: seeing it through that lens, through your Bible. Well, when
Speaker 3: you're making a contract, you know there's certain rules that
Speaker 3: have to apply. So one, you know, there cannot be
Speaker 3: any false pretenses. And then number two, it has to
Speaker 3: be with like kinds. So Satan couldn't take away our
Speaker 3: dominion that was given to us at creation. So Satan
Speaker 3: being the ultimate you know, legalist, seeing a loophole. He's like, well,
Speaker 3: if I can get these angels to rebel have half
Speaker 3: human half angelic beings, then boom, there's my loophole. I
Speaker 3: can take dominion of Earth because they have human DNA.
Speaker 3: But once again, it was under false pretenses, because was
Speaker 3: he tell us in the garden. You know, at first
Speaker 3: he says, eat from this apple and you will be
Speaker 3: as gods. There was a lie, there was a false pretense,
Speaker 3: so it's already no one void. But then two he
Speaker 3: tries to pretend and show that he is a like kind,
Speaker 3: which he is not.
Speaker 2: And that's the.
Speaker 3: Whole reason while the flood had to come, you know.
Speaker 3: And that's another thing atheists will to say, you know, well,
Speaker 3: how can a loving God destroy all humanity in women
Speaker 3: and children? Well, it was to take back dominion which
Speaker 3: these fallen angels and the devil tried to take from us,
Speaker 3: and also to protect that bloodline for the coming Messiah,
Speaker 3: you know. So, I mean there's there's reasons to these things,
Speaker 3: you know, if we just know the answers and how
Speaker 3: to combat these these lies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's it's simple to see it once you
Speaker 1: explain it in that context. You know, you have these
Speaker 1: natural laws that we all have to follow. These are
Speaker 1: the laws that are written on our heart, the Bible says,
Speaker 1: and when we follow those laws, we prosper. Everything's fine.
Speaker 1: But then when we get out of following those laws
Speaker 1: that are written on our heart, we end up in rebellion,
Speaker 1: and that's where Satan found himself, is going after his
Speaker 1: own desires instead of relying on the law that has
Speaker 1: been written on his heart. And so he crosses over
Speaker 1: out of his out of his domain and causes all
Speaker 1: kinds of ruckus.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: See, And I believe honestly that it was Satan that
Speaker 3: enticed these fallen angels, because when you get into First Enoch,
Speaker 3: it's chapter fifty four, verse four and verse six, it
Speaker 3: says plainly that these fallen angels became subject to Satan,
Speaker 3: you know. And it's important when we look at the
Speaker 3: Kingdom of Heaven, we have to look at it, like
Speaker 3: I said before, you know, the greatest story ever told.
Speaker 3: In compared to the Game of Thrones. Every kingdom has
Speaker 3: a king, Every kingdom has princes, it has soldiers, it
Speaker 3: has captains of armies, you know, and all these things,
Speaker 3: and also it has subjects. And it says plainly in
Speaker 3: scripture that Satan has a kingdom too, because when they
Speaker 3: accuse Jesus of casting out these demons, you know, in
Speaker 3: the name of you know, Belzebub, you know, he says,
Speaker 3: you know, a nation divided amongst itself will not stand
Speaker 3: you know, so he's telling us that kingdom. You know
Speaker 3: that Satan has his own kingdom also, So it's a
Speaker 3: supernatural battle for dominion of this earth and for the
Speaker 3: souls of the people in it going on all around
Speaker 3: us every single day.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, and you know, transform transforming that into today
Speaker 1: mindset is very This hasn't stopped happening, as you just said,
Speaker 1: this is a continued battle that we're going through right now.
Speaker 1: And that's why we felt it was so important to
Speaker 1: start this podcast is because if you don't understand what
Speaker 1: happened back then, then you're not going to understand what's
Speaker 1: happening right now. But once you do understand, then it
Speaker 1: begins to unlock all of the truths that you're seeing
Speaker 1: right in front of you every day.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And scripture I got here too. You know, even
Speaker 3: Satan lays out his game plan. You know in Isaiah
Speaker 3: chapter fourteen, verse thirteen and fourteen, you said in your heart,
Speaker 3: I will ascend to heaven above the stars of God.
Speaker 3: I will set my throne on high, and I will
Speaker 3: sit on the mount of Assembly. And he goes on
Speaker 3: later say I will make myself like the most high.
Speaker 3: So I mean it's the Battle of the Two Kingdoms,
Speaker 3: and he's trying to take dominion away from God. But
Speaker 3: you know that leads us to the Third Rebellion. Whether
Speaker 3: this is honestly my favorite one, and this is the
Speaker 3: one I get the most passionate about because I was
Speaker 3: always told about the Tower of Babel in Sunday School.
Speaker 3: You know, they built this tall tower trying to get
Speaker 3: into heaven. You know, God divided the tongues and the
Speaker 3: peoples and they spread, you know, And I was like
Speaker 3: always thinking, well, if that's the case, I mean, we
Speaker 3: got tall buildings today and God doesn't intervene, there has
Speaker 3: to be something more. And that's all you get. You
Speaker 3: get this little blurb, just you know, a paragraph, you
Speaker 3: know in Genesis about the Tower of Babel. But once
Speaker 3: you get to digging and you get to look, you know,
Speaker 3: I discovered the Uteronomy thirty two and that totally opened
Speaker 3: my mind and changed my paradigm, and it give me
Speaker 3: a spiritual lens to see the world that we're in today.
Speaker 3: And it answered so many questions. Why there's so much corruption,
Speaker 3: why there's abortion, why there's child abuse, why there's murder,
Speaker 3: just all these things. Because even as a Christian, I
Speaker 3: was like, you know, God, you're a loving god. You know,
Speaker 3: that's what our scripture tells us. But if you love us,
Speaker 3: why do you allow all these things to happen? And
Speaker 3: it goes back to contracts. God made a contract with
Speaker 3: his elder sons, and even though they are negating on
Speaker 3: that and ruling unjustly, he is a god of his word.
Speaker 3: But rest assured he's got a plant. Yeah, we just
Speaker 3: have to read and know that plan and trust in
Speaker 3: that plan, you know, but I'll never forget it. When
Speaker 3: I was reading Deuteronomy three two verse eight, you know,
Speaker 3: it said that that the nations were divided, you know,
Speaker 3: but it says not only were the tongues divine, that
Speaker 3: the nations were divided amongst the sons of God. There's
Speaker 3: that sons of God again, the same one we see
Speaker 3: in Genesis six, but nehi elohem. And every single time
Speaker 3: that that phrase is used, it's talking about supernatural entities.
Speaker 3: And just before all that happens in Genesis ten. You know,
Speaker 3: I know, genealogies and stuff like that, and numbers can
Speaker 3: be boring, I get it, but it's important. Yeah, when
Speaker 3: you read it, there's seventy nations mentioned. Now does that
Speaker 3: mean literally that there was seventy only seventy nations. No,
Speaker 3: there's symbology and numerology in your Bible. Anytime you see seventy,
Speaker 3: it's symbolic for all. It means it's a totality number.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: Gideon and his seventy sons. Now, he didn't literally have
Speaker 3: seventy sons. He was saying all of his sons, the
Speaker 3: seventy nations, all the nations, you know. So when you
Speaker 3: see that, it's important to know that. But when you
Speaker 3: see that, it just it explains everything so well, o case.
Speaker 3: And that's why when you get into Psalms eighty two,
Speaker 3: it says, you know you've ruled unjustly, you know, and
Speaker 3: that how long will you show partiality to the wicked?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: It goes on to say, you know you are gods,
Speaker 3: you desire to live the eternal life. And you get
Speaker 3: so many pastors nowadays and say, oh, well, they're talking
Speaker 3: about you know, kings and rulers of the earth. It says, plainly,
Speaker 3: you are God's sons, are the most high. And then
Speaker 3: it goes on to say that you will be judged
Speaker 3: and you will fall like any prince. Well, duh, if
Speaker 3: you're a human, yeah, you know, you're going to die.
Speaker 2: Yeah. You know.
Speaker 3: He's talking to supernatural entities there, and they're ruling unjustly.
Speaker 3: And that's why we see all the things that we
Speaker 3: see today. You know. But God, like I said, God
Speaker 3: had a plan because later after he divides the people,
Speaker 3: you know, but it says and there plainly that when
Speaker 3: he divided them that Jacob was his allotted heritage inheritance.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, you know. And then later he calls out Abraham.
Speaker 3: And what does he say when he calls out Abraham,
Speaker 3: He says, through your name, all, not some, all nations
Speaker 3: shall be blessed. God had a plan, you know, the
Speaker 3: Messiah was coming, and it was the plan the entire
Speaker 3: time since the foundations of the world. That's why the
Speaker 3: flood happened, protect the bloodline. That's why when the Tower
Speaker 3: of Babbel happened, He made sure Israel Jacob was his
Speaker 3: allotted inheritance, and he called out Abraham.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: So all that stuff is just so important. But when
Speaker 3: we fast forward to the time of Jesus Matthew sixteen
Speaker 3: and verse thirteen, you know, they were at Sistri of Philippie.
Speaker 3: You know, when he asked, Peter, you know, who do
Speaker 3: you say that I am? You know, he goes on
Speaker 3: to say, you know, on this rock, I will build
Speaker 3: my church and that the gates of Hell will not
Speaker 3: prevail against it. You know, he was talking about Pan's Cave.
Speaker 3: You know, this was the Grotto of Pan, which which
Speaker 3: is a huge cave that were people and animals and
Speaker 3: stuff like that were sacrificed, and it was known to
Speaker 3: be the gates of Hell or even you know, the
Speaker 3: mouth to the underworld. Matthew seventeen says that from there
Speaker 3: they traveled six days to a high mountain. And I
Speaker 3: always overlooked this, but when you look at a map
Speaker 3: cistory of Philippie, there's only one mountain range inside and
Speaker 3: guess what mountain that is?
Speaker 2: Which one.
Speaker 3: On and it's easily accessible by six days journey. So
Speaker 3: imagine Jesus. He ain't just taken some Sunday drive and
Speaker 3: hey guys, let's just go for a ride. No, he
Speaker 3: had to walk a long way to get there. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and the message once I connected these dots and these
Speaker 3: wives were clear. You know, that's where he transfigured.
Speaker 2: Okay, So.
Speaker 3: If you look at it on the map, you know,
Speaker 3: this is the only mountain in site. They could easily
Speaker 3: get there for six days. He goes there, he transfigures.
Speaker 3: You know, Jesus goes to ground zero where it all began.
Speaker 3: He threw down his spiritual battle flag. And you remember
Speaker 3: that I mentioned earlier at the mountain. At that mountain,
Speaker 3: the Canaanites worship to God called L and L had
Speaker 3: seventy sons, and that's where his divine council met and
Speaker 3: ruled the world. Okay, so this is another retailling of
Speaker 3: the Divine Council and the Deuteronomy thirty two worldview. So
Speaker 3: Jesus goes there, he transfigures, and what happens after this?
Speaker 3: It says in there that he sent out his seventy
Speaker 3: apostles to reclaim the nations and to spread the good news.
Speaker 3: You know, he's basically telling, you know, all right, I'll
Speaker 3: put my seventy against your seventy. And I love how
Speaker 3: Derek Gilbert said. You know, Jesus is just basically looking
Speaker 3: at him and waving his hands and saying, come get something. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I got you number.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what are you going to do about it?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean it's just so profound when you connect
Speaker 3: the dots and you know, the wis and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: But later, when Jesus dies on the cross in One
Speaker 3: Peter three nineteen, he says he goes down to these
Speaker 3: fallen angels and proclaims victory in three days. I'm busting
Speaker 3: out out of here, and you guys are going to
Speaker 3: watch me, Yeah, hide and watch, you know. Then later
Speaker 3: the Holy Spirit comes down at Pentecost, right, you know,
Speaker 3: to the Jewish people, this was Chivat. This is where
Speaker 3: they celebrated their covenant with God and the giving of
Speaker 3: the lawd of Moses. God chose this day for the
Speaker 3: Holy Spirit to come down for a reason. He was
Speaker 3: signaling to his people that I knew covenant was coming.
Speaker 3: You know what happened when the Holy Spirit come down?
Speaker 3: You know, that says some changes. That says they all
Speaker 3: spoke the same language, or everyone understood each other in
Speaker 3: their own tongues.
Speaker 2: Right, yep.
Speaker 3: This was a reversal of the Tower of Bible.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: And and we just miss it, right, we just skim
Speaker 1: right over it, and we're just like, oh, they spoke
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of tongues. But the reality is is
Speaker 1: these are Jewish people from all different countries coming together
Speaker 1: and they are going to be His nations spreading this
Speaker 1: message out. But how do you get that message out
Speaker 1: to all these people that speak a different tongue. Well,
Speaker 1: you might want to send your Holy Spirit and give
Speaker 1: them all the ability to speak to them. And so
Speaker 1: that's what Peter did. And we see this number of
Speaker 1: five thousand people coming to faith that day and we think, wow,
Speaker 1: that's because Peter's really eloquent. No, that's because he was
Speaker 1: talking in each of their languages and he was saying
Speaker 1: exactly what Jesus had told him to say, and it
Speaker 1: just exploded. And that's exactly what Jesus knew would happened.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure these guys were shocked, like, holy cow,
Speaker 1: what just could you imagine speaking just out your mouth
Speaker 1: and everybody can understand you that would be wild.
Speaker 3: Well, look at the onlookers. You know they were saying, oh,
Speaker 3: they're drunk on new wine. You know that they were
Speaker 3: spiritually blind to what was going on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they couldn't see what was happening. And that
Speaker 1: I feel like that's kind of how we are in
Speaker 1: the church. You know, if you don't understand this thread
Speaker 1: that is all through the Bible. Then then you're missing the.
Speaker 2: Full story, the full Gospel.
Speaker 1: And you know, we talk about the Gospel like it's
Speaker 1: you know, it's just Jesus coming and talking to twelve guys.
Speaker 1: And then that just blew up because of influence. Now,
Speaker 1: this this was a taking back of the nations, and
Speaker 1: that's why there was this huge influx of gentiles coming in.
Speaker 1: That's why the first person that Jesus revealed his his
Speaker 1: ministry too was the woman at the whale well who
Speaker 1: was a Samaritan. She so the first person that he said, hey,
Speaker 1: I am the guy that everybody's been waiting for. The
Speaker 1: first person was a Samaritan gentile. And that's a huge
Speaker 1: fact that people need to realize, is that when Jesus
Speaker 1: came back, his goal, his mission was to bring back
Speaker 1: all of the nations into his kingdom, which is what
Speaker 1: he talked about.
Speaker 2: Right. That's crazy.
Speaker 4: I always thought growing up in the church that like Jesus,
Speaker 4: he died on the cross for our sins. That's what
Speaker 4: he did. But you don't realize until you hear somebody
Speaker 4: like you put it together. There was so much more
Speaker 4: that happened than he just dying for our sins. Like
Speaker 4: the picture that goes all the way through the book
Speaker 4: is so much different.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's the thing. It's like, you know, well,
Speaker 3: we're not Jewish, and we don't know the ends and
Speaker 3: outs of the culture and things like that. There's so
Speaker 3: many things that we miss. And it's not that it's
Speaker 3: some kind of big secret that they tried to hide
Speaker 3: from us. Now, it's just written so long ago they
Speaker 3: didn't have to go into great detail about some of
Speaker 3: these things because everybody knew it. I mean, it was
Speaker 3: written to the people of that time. So it's on
Speaker 3: us to do our due diligence to know the customs
Speaker 3: and the feasts and the holy days and the lingo
Speaker 3: and things like that to get the full context of scripture.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's I think it's Tim Mackey that said
Speaker 1: from Bible Project. He said that it's like going to
Speaker 1: a different culture that speaks a different language, and as
Speaker 1: soon as you get off the plane, you walk up
Speaker 1: to somebody and you say, my lips hurt real bad.
Speaker 1: As a joke, Well, everybody in our context in America
Speaker 1: would know that's from Napoleon Dynamite, and it's kind of
Speaker 1: like an inside American joke. But those people would be like,
Speaker 1: what is this guy talking about that? Do we need
Speaker 1: to get him some chapstick? And so that's what we
Speaker 1: do as as Christians is we were running around trying
Speaker 1: to get people chapstick. And what the real message is
Speaker 1: is that there was three rebellions and it's those three
Speaker 1: rebellions that caused everything that's going on around owns you.
Speaker 1: And once you can see that Jesus came back and
Speaker 1: put a stop to all of that and wants all
Speaker 1: of us to come into his kingdom, the Kingdom of Light,
Speaker 1: Kingdom of goodness, then then that's that's what we now.
Speaker 1: He's just waiting for us to make that decision. And
Speaker 1: I think what people don't realize is this would go
Speaker 1: a lot faster if we would all make our decisions
Speaker 1: a lot faster.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Well, I agree and see that.
Speaker 3: And that's what Jesus was even trying to tell with
Speaker 3: a lot of his parables that a lot of people miss.
Speaker 3: You know, in Mark twelve, you know the parable of
Speaker 3: the good tenant, he's talking about the Deuteronomy thirty two worldview.
Speaker 3: I mean, look at the context of that story. There
Speaker 3: was a gardener that had a garden, so God had earth,
Speaker 3: and once he do, he lends out the garden for
Speaker 3: some farmers to grow some crops on it and to
Speaker 3: make a harvest. The farmers agreed when the harvest came
Speaker 3: that the owner would get a tithe from it. And
Speaker 3: what happens in that story. The farmers take the land,
Speaker 3: they sow the seed, and when the harvest comes, the
Speaker 3: owner sends a messenger to collect his tithe, and they
Speaker 3: beat him up and send him away. So then he
Speaker 3: sends another messenger, they beat him up, send him away.
Speaker 3: So then the third time he says, well, I'll send
Speaker 3: my son. They won't harm my son. Then he shows up,
Speaker 3: and the farmers plot to kill the son to show
Speaker 3: the owner they mean business. I mean, that's Jesus, that's God,
Speaker 3: that's Earth, that's the fallen angels, that was given dominion
Speaker 3: at Deuteronomy thirty two. But little did they know they
Speaker 3: sealed their own fate when they'd done that. I mean,
Speaker 3: because even Paul says, if the rulers, the principalities, and
Speaker 3: the authorities would have known, they would have not killed
Speaker 3: the Lord of Glory.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the great mystery that Paul talks about.
Speaker 1: That was this plan from the beginning to redeem all
Speaker 1: the nations. This is that great mystery that he's talking about.
Speaker 1: And I feel like it's still a mystery to a
Speaker 1: lot of people. And I think these you know, when
Speaker 1: you hear of the scales falling off of his eyes,
Speaker 1: I think this is what they were talking about. Was
Speaker 1: he's making all of these connections and he finally realizes,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, what have we done? And he and
Speaker 1: and then when he's preaching, or when Peter's preaching, every
Speaker 1: or Steven's preaching, they're always saying, and his son, you crucified.
Speaker 1: He keeps They keep just pushing it back at him
Speaker 1: and saying, you did this, and he came to save us,
Speaker 1: and you killed him, and that, you know, that boldness
Speaker 1: that they had because they realized, we're in the kingdom now,
Speaker 1: we're in the New Covenant now, and there's nothing that
Speaker 1: you can do to us. There's no fear that we
Speaker 1: need to be walking in anymore, because our king has
Speaker 1: us and he is in control now. He's taking the
Speaker 1: keys of sin and death and he's bringing all of
Speaker 1: the nations back, and all we have to do is
Speaker 1: except that he's done that and then follow him as
Speaker 1: a king, repent as he says one of the first
Speaker 1: things he says, repent, and follow after him, follow those
Speaker 1: those laws on our heart that we were talking about before.
Speaker 2: So it's crazy, and.
Speaker 3: We'll see we just recently. It'll be out here in
Speaker 3: the next couple of weeks. So here's a spoiler. I
Speaker 3: guess if it comes out before ours. We're doing our
Speaker 3: axe Bible study and we actually got to that verse
Speaker 3: where it was talking about the scales falling from Paul's
Speaker 3: eyes or Saul at the time when you go back
Speaker 3: to the original language in Genesis where it says, you know,
Speaker 3: the devil or the serpent was more crafty. Well, that
Speaker 3: word in Hebrew was a room. Well, like I said earlier,
Speaker 3: you know, Hebrew was a very diverse language. One word
Speaker 3: has many meanings. Well, later that very same word is
Speaker 3: used to describe what happens to Eve when she bites
Speaker 3: into the apple. It says, you know, she bit into
Speaker 3: the apple and her eyes were a room. So you
Speaker 3: got to think back then, you know, the literacy rate
Speaker 3: was not that high. These scriptures were considered holy and
Speaker 3: the priests were the only ones that could read them.
Speaker 3: In the synagogue. So to hear any scripture, you had
Speaker 3: to show up at synagogue and it was read to you.
Speaker 3: So when you heard these words mentioned together, you know,
Speaker 3: so close together, it was word association. So what the
Speaker 3: writer was trying to show was when the bite of
Speaker 3: the apple or whatever the fruit was was taken, that
Speaker 3: they took on a property of the Nakash. And when
Speaker 3: you get to that verse with Paul, it says plainly,
Speaker 3: it makes it. It makes a point to say that
Speaker 3: his eyes were open, his eyes were a room. And
Speaker 3: then why did they use the verbiage that they did scales?
Speaker 3: I mean, there's nothing scaly about an eye, but serpents
Speaker 3: have scales. So it's like what it was saying was
Speaker 3: is the veil that was given to us at birth
Speaker 3: or when we bid into the apple as a result,
Speaker 3: it was like a veil that Satan spiritually blinded us with,
Speaker 3: And it said the scales fell from his eyes. You know,
Speaker 3: he could truly see the blinders that the Satan has
Speaker 3: has put on this world and humanity had fallen off.
Speaker 3: Saw that's good, that's really good. And it's you know,
Speaker 3: it's interesting because he also there's those some of his
Speaker 3: disciples are walking on the road to Amaeus and they're
Speaker 3: they're talking about, you know, what just happened and can
Speaker 3: you believe it? Jesus died and blah blah blah. And
Speaker 3: then Jesus is just walking there with them and he's
Speaker 3: asking him like he doesn't know, like.
Speaker 1: What are you guys talking about? Like what's going on?
Speaker 1: And they walk with him and they talk with them
Speaker 1: and they're not getting it. But he's opening their eyes
Speaker 1: as they're walking, and when they have dinner together, he's
Speaker 1: speaking to them and he's opening their eyes. It's this
Speaker 1: kind of same understanding of pulling away the veil, and
Speaker 1: as he pulls away the veil, they finally get it.
Speaker 1: And it says as soon as they get it, he's gone.
Speaker 1: He just disappears. And it's such a cool story because
Speaker 1: that's what Jesus is trying to do through his Holy
Speaker 1: spirit all the time. He's trying to lead us down
Speaker 1: this path to a Maus and showing us these different
Speaker 1: things along the way. And then once we get there,
Speaker 1: we finally realize, oh, all of this stuff that has
Speaker 1: been right in front of me this whole time, is this.
Speaker 1: This is what they were talking about. And the scales
Speaker 1: fall off of all of our eyes. And I think
Speaker 1: that there's a great awakening happening right now. You hear
Speaker 1: a lot of people talking about the Great Awakening. People
Speaker 1: are waking up to what they've been and I think
Speaker 1: the scales are still on a lot of our eyes
Speaker 1: as we're walking around and we're looking. We're going through
Speaker 1: the grocery store, and we're going to Starbucks, and we're
Speaker 1: doing all the things that we do in our lives,
Speaker 1: walking around with scales on our eyes. And it's time
Speaker 1: for us to lean in and listen to Jesus, listen
Speaker 1: to his word, and say, Okay, I'm going to allow
Speaker 1: these scales to come off of my eyes, and I'm
Speaker 1: going to repent and follow after you. And I think
Speaker 1: we're going to see a lot more people coming to
Speaker 1: Jesus very quickly, very soon.
Speaker 3: Oh amen, I agree, And I guess to tyle this
Speaker 3: all together now. This is honestly was a mind blow
Speaker 3: moment that I had on our show with Pastor Doug
Speaker 3: van Dorn, and this times all the three rebellions together
Speaker 3: and to show, you know, beyond a shadow of a doubt,
Speaker 3: that this was God's plan from the foundations of the
Speaker 3: world and it's crazy. When I heard this, I just
Speaker 3: kind of I sat dumbfounded and speechless for a good
Speaker 3: sixty seconds. And luckily Steven he just took over the
Speaker 3: show at that point because I was just like, oh
Speaker 3: my god.
Speaker 2: What.
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 3: I mean, all these little sparkss going off in my head.
Speaker 3: But I don't know if you guys are I'm sure
Speaker 3: you are, but familiar with the you know, the Christophanes,
Speaker 3: you know of the Old Testament. You know, we had
Speaker 3: Doug on and he talked about his book The Angel
Speaker 3: of the Lord, and which I was familiar with the
Speaker 3: Christophanes too, but the way he tied them altogether, and
Speaker 3: he hit me with one that I'd never noticed before,
Speaker 3: and it was right in front of my face. But
Speaker 3: you know, the Christophanies for the people that don't know,
Speaker 3: just the reader's digest version is Jesus Christ shows up
Speaker 3: again and again and again in your Old Testament, but
Speaker 3: he shows up as the Angel of the Lord or
Speaker 3: the Word. You know, the word appears to Samuel, but
Speaker 3: it says the word appeared in a vision, you know,
Speaker 3: and spoke and even touched him. You know, words doesn't
Speaker 3: come to eyes, they come to years. You know, this
Speaker 3: was a physical manifestation. You know, he's even described as
Speaker 3: you know, the glory, you know, the burning bush, you've seen,
Speaker 3: you know, the Father, Son, Holy Spirit all together there.
Speaker 3: And when you get the whole theology of the Jewish people,
Speaker 3: you know, they believed in what they called the two
Speaker 3: powers of heaven or the two Yahweys, you know, and
Speaker 3: some examples here I got written down was a Genesis
Speaker 3: nineteen and verse twenty four. Then Yahweh reigned on solomn
Speaker 3: Gomorrah brimstone and fire from Yahweh out of heaven. So
Speaker 3: you know they're showing you that the whole you know,
Speaker 3: theology of the two Yahweys. And then Psalms one ten,
Speaker 3: David says in quotations, the Lord says to my Lord. Okay,
Speaker 3: so when you go to Jude Jude five, and this
Speaker 3: is SB it says that Jesus who saved the people
Speaker 3: out of the land of Egypt, who later destroyed those
Speaker 3: who did not believe. The other translations don't save Jesus.
Speaker 3: But what they're talking about there is the Angel of
Speaker 3: the Lord. Yeah, you know, the two powers. So you know,
Speaker 3: remember God told Moses, you know, he couldn't go with
Speaker 3: the people, that he would destroy them for their wickedness.
Speaker 3: But he said that he would send his angel instead,
Speaker 3: and he commanded them to listen to him, for his
Speaker 3: name was in him. It was Jesus. He went before
Speaker 3: the people and even did battle against the giant clans
Speaker 3: of Canaan. You know, this is why the demons known
Speaker 3: as Legion in Mark chapter five and in Luke chapter eight,
Speaker 3: pleaded with Jesus, do not destroy them, and have you
Speaker 3: come to a tortures before our time. They knew who
Speaker 3: he was because they did battle with him. According to
Speaker 3: the Book of Enoch, these demons are the disembodied spirits
Speaker 3: of the Nephelom giants. They knew who he was. He
Speaker 3: was the angel of the Lord that led Israel, and
Speaker 3: just whooped their butt. They didn't want no more.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think a lot of people forget that Jesus
Speaker 2: is a warrior king. He's not.
Speaker 1: I mean, when he came to the world and did
Speaker 1: all the things that he did in human form, was
Speaker 1: he was very kind, He was very loving. He was
Speaker 1: trying to teach us how to be with each other.
Speaker 1: But when it comes to his people raging against these
Speaker 1: evil demonic entities and the watchers and all of those
Speaker 1: nefarious beings. He's a warrior, and we see that all
Speaker 1: throughout the Old Testament, his warrior like sensibilities come out.
Speaker 1: And then you see that again in the Book of Revelation,
Speaker 1: his warrior sensibilities come out again. And we you know,
Speaker 1: we see Jesus as like the ned Flanders of Christianity,
Speaker 1: where he's just like, yeah, he's like, hey, guys, what's
Speaker 1: going on? You want to go break some bread, you know.
Speaker 1: But he had a mission to do when he was here,
Speaker 1: and he fulfilled that mission. But then his mission doesn't end.
Speaker 1: He's an immortal being and he's going to continue to
Speaker 1: fight for us as our warrior king.
Speaker 3: Yes, amen. And so with that in mind, let's take
Speaker 3: another look at Deuteronomy thirty two. Okay, Now, you remember
Speaker 3: we must see the Kingdom of God like a kingdom
Speaker 3: with kings and princes and sons and lords and captains
Speaker 3: of armies and soldiers and all that. So when he
Speaker 3: divided the peoples amongst the sons of God, he referred
Speaker 3: to it as their inheritance, right yep. But Jacob Israel,
Speaker 3: it said, was his allotted inheritance? Okay, now remember the
Speaker 3: two powers, the two y always? Whose inheritance is he
Speaker 3: talking about here? Who gets these inheritance sons?
Speaker 1: Do?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: Yep?
Speaker 3: So who's the one and only begotten son? That's Jesus
Speaker 3: Christ right, yes, who led his people through the wilderness,
Speaker 3: the angel of the Lord Jesus right. So you know,
Speaker 3: like a good infomercial. But wait, as an added bonus,
Speaker 3: if you call now, we will throw in Daniel ten
Speaker 3: absolutely free of charge. Okay, Daniel Ten? What happens there?
Speaker 3: He's praying for discernment and for God to reveal to
Speaker 3: him what his dreams mean. Twenty one days passed by
Speaker 3: and he gets no response, but he keeps praying.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 3: Eventually, an angel does show up and says, you know, hey,
Speaker 3: I've been trying to get to you. The Prince of
Speaker 3: Persia withheld me for twenty one days. It wasn't until
Speaker 3: the archangel Michael showed up and freed me. Which is
Speaker 3: your prince? Yes, that I was able to get free.
Speaker 3: He tells him the vision. Then he says, I must
Speaker 3: go back, for the Prince of Greece is on his
Speaker 3: way and I must return to battle. So that shows
Speaker 3: you the whole Juteronomy thirty two worldview, and that the
Speaker 3: battles that's going on right now amongst us and around
Speaker 3: us all the time that we just can't see. But
Speaker 3: the key one of that whole phrase was Michael, your prince,
Speaker 3: who's the your that's Israel, that's Jacob. What it said
Speaker 3: in Juteronomy thirty two Israel and Jacob was his allotted portion.
Speaker 3: So to me, it points and pretty much says that
Speaker 3: Michael is Jesus. It's the divine warrior aspect of Jesus Christ.
Speaker 3: And what's crazy? Okay, so we've already established Jesus and
Speaker 3: the whole Christophane Angel of the Lord. In Revelations it
Speaker 3: says that we'll be given new names. So I'm sure
Speaker 3: Jesus was not called Jesus in heaven, right. You know,
Speaker 3: what does the name Michael mean? In Hebrew? It means
Speaker 3: who is like yahweh. You know this has always been
Speaker 3: presented as a question, but I believe it's a statement.
Speaker 3: He's the second power.
Speaker 2: Yeah, now that makes sense to me.
Speaker 1: I mean, we get really caught up on Jesus's name
Speaker 1: because you know, all things happen in the name of Jesus,
Speaker 1: in the name of Jesus. But his name wasn't Jesus
Speaker 1: before he You know that it was told that he
Speaker 1: had to be called Jesus by the angel to Mary,
Speaker 1: and so his name will be called Jesus was what
Speaker 1: he was going to be known as here in our
Speaker 1: realm in that time of history. But that, I would
Speaker 1: agree with you, that doesn't necessarily mean that that's his
Speaker 1: name for all time. Was because he's a as we
Speaker 1: keep alluding to, he's he's an internal sorry eternal being,
Speaker 1: and his name is probably probably been many names throughout history.
Speaker 2: I mean, he even Malkisa dec yep, exactly.
Speaker 3: Know when you look at Hebrews where it describes Melkisa
Speaker 3: deck it says that you know he was without beginning
Speaker 3: or end, without father or mother. He is a priest eternal,
Speaker 3: and he was, and Hebrews when it talked about him,
Speaker 3: it aligned him hand in hand with Jesus. And think
Speaker 3: about it. When Abraham defeated those warrior kings and got
Speaker 3: back a lot, he comes back, meets this guy, acts
Speaker 3: like he knows him and he's his best friend, gives
Speaker 3: him a tenth of all the spoils of war. That's
Speaker 3: what you give the priest right, and it says that
Speaker 3: he was the first king and priest of Salem the
Speaker 3: print the first king and Priest of peace. I firmly
Speaker 3: believe that was another Christophany.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I'm with you on that.
Speaker 1: And once you start to make these connections, you begin
Speaker 1: to realize that Jesus has been there this whole time.
Speaker 1: He in I mean, that's why you were sitting there
Speaker 1: for a long time, just staring at the wall trying
Speaker 1: to figure out what was going on, because these.
Speaker 4: So many things that are just like swirling up here.
Speaker 2: And I'm like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Michael, Who's like yeah, aweh, I'm like, okay,
Speaker 3: that's a statement, that's not a question.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it makes sense, like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's just his divine warrior aspect, and that's who
Speaker 3: he was going through the wilderness, kicking all these giants
Speaker 3: rear ends, you know. In Revelations, when he returns, it
Speaker 3: says he's going to be on a horse with a
Speaker 3: flaming sword of truth and that the blood of the
Speaker 3: enemy is going to be up to the bridle yep, yep.
Speaker 1: And people get, you know, all bent out of shape
Speaker 1: because they can't see Jesus like that, you know, because
Speaker 1: as we talked about before. He's nice and he's washing
Speaker 1: his disciples feet and everything like that. But but his
Speaker 1: authority now, because that was Jesus on earth, but all
Speaker 1: authority in heaven and in earth has been given to you,
Speaker 1: is what God says. And so that means now his
Speaker 1: responsibility isn't just for Israel. He's been upgraded. He's been
Speaker 1: upgraded to the entire world. Now he's in charge of
Speaker 1: Earth and it is his responsibility alone to take care
Speaker 1: of what's going on. So there is going to be
Speaker 1: a battle because these entities that have been in charge forever,
Speaker 1: they're not going to go lightly. And that's what we're seeing.
Speaker 3: Now they haven't. I mean, that's I mean, he says
Speaker 3: plainly that all you know, authority has been given unto him,
Speaker 3: and a lot of people want to use that out
Speaker 3: of context and be like, well he's a real crappy ruler.
Speaker 3: Just look at the world today. Well no, I mean,
Speaker 3: the authority has been given unto him. But he give
Speaker 3: us our directions, he give us our battle plans. Now
Speaker 3: it's up to us to form the militias and gather
Speaker 3: them and do what we need to do. But that
Speaker 3: doesn't mean that the enemy is just going to be like, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: we're destined to lose, so we might as well just
Speaker 3: lay down now. You know, they might have the key's
Speaker 3: taken away from them, but they ain't going nowhere. They
Speaker 3: think they're going to win. You know, just look at
Speaker 3: the Devil's advocate with al Pacino. He said, we're destined
Speaker 3: to lose. Dad, he said, consider the source, son, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: They're telling you this, right, they're telling you that they know,
Speaker 1: they already know. And going back to the Legion of Demons,
Speaker 1: they said that that time hasn't come yet. I believe
Speaker 1: they say that time hasn't come yet, so they know
Speaker 1: that they're done and they know that there's a time.
Speaker 1: And he's saying it doesn't matter if that time's come
Speaker 1: or not. I'm telling you to get out now. And
Speaker 1: it's very telling when you begin to read your Bible
Speaker 1: from this perspective that we're trying to paint for everybody
Speaker 1: is we're not These aren't heresies. These are original truths
Speaker 1: that have been watered down to the detriment of to
Speaker 1: all of us. I mean, this isn't a Christian versus
Speaker 1: Catholics versus Jews versus. This is Jesus is the king,
Speaker 1: and we all need to get on board with that
Speaker 1: because it's truth and we're not trying to cause division.
Speaker 1: We're trying to cause unity to come. Our whole nation,
Speaker 1: our whole world, needs to come together in unity and
Speaker 1: realize that we are being ruled by a loving, gentle
Speaker 1: king who wants us to be good to each other,
Speaker 1: and he wants to take care of us the way
Speaker 1: that He has been taking care of us all throughout history,
Speaker 1: as you just very well pointed out. So man, thanks
Speaker 1: for laying all that out for us. It's so powerful
Speaker 1: when you begin to see it, you know.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, especially like you know, I mean, I know
Speaker 3: not everybody's like me, but I'm a big nerd. The
Speaker 3: wise and the dots are all important. So yeah, I
Speaker 3: might know this mundane fact that's been big in my
Speaker 3: head my entire life. But when you lay out all
Speaker 3: these little details and lead me there and show me
Speaker 3: all these little man, it just it makes my appreciation
Speaker 3: for God grow that much more. And if I'm like that,
Speaker 3: I'm sure there's some other people out there like that too,
Speaker 3: So I want to share that that knowledge and that
Speaker 3: feeling that it gives me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I think it's crazy because a lot of
Speaker 4: people think, I mean, growing up, I thought, you know,
Speaker 4: there was just God and angels and they're just floating
Speaker 4: around up there and like having a good old time.
Speaker 4: And people don't realize how structured everything is, you know,
Speaker 4: all these contracts that are happening throughout the Bible. I
Speaker 4: never ever saw it that way until maybe five years ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the you know, the things that are happening in
Speaker 1: heaven are the things that are happening on Earth, and
Speaker 1: they're if you read the Bible, you begin to see
Speaker 1: that there's these echoes between things that happen in heaven
Speaker 1: and things that are happening on Earth. Just like you
Speaker 1: were saying about the Prince of Persia and the battling
Speaker 1: going on, this is this is an ongoing thing whatever,
Speaker 1: as he says in his prayer, on earth as it
Speaker 1: is in Heaven, on Earth as it is in Heaven.
Speaker 1: And the reason he's saying that is because it is connected.
Speaker 1: Everything that's going on up there is going on down here,
Speaker 1: and vice versa. You can't separate Heaven and Earth. They
Speaker 1: are interconnected, and Got designed it that way.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and even creation I mean, a lot of
Speaker 3: people miss that man. It's like in Creation, he's creating
Speaker 3: his temple. When you look at Solomon's temple, when it
Speaker 3: was being made, it was six stages. He finished it
Speaker 3: in six years. But what did he do He waited
Speaker 3: eleven months before he opened it. That way, it took
Speaker 3: exactly seven years because it was echoing Creation. The Tabernacle
Speaker 3: was in seven stages, and then on both of those accounts,
Speaker 3: on the seventh Day, the presence of God rested in
Speaker 3: the temper on the tabernacle, just as in Creation, where
Speaker 3: you know it says on the seventh Day God rested.
Speaker 3: You know, it ain't saying that God put up his
Speaker 3: feet and turned on the football game. Now his spirit
Speaker 3: dwelled and rested on earth. And Earth is God's temple.
Speaker 3: What is every temple God? Every temple has got priests.
Speaker 3: Who's the priest? Exodus says that Israel will be a
Speaker 3: nation of priests. Every temple has an image, a graven image.
Speaker 3: Who's the graven image? It says in Genesis want we
Speaker 3: are the imagers of God. That's why he says, don't
Speaker 3: make no graven image, because we are the imagers with God. Yes,
Speaker 3: and Eden was the place where Heaven and Earth met.
Speaker 3: It was supposed to be in harmony. We were supposed
Speaker 3: to be in harmony with each other, with our elder
Speaker 3: brothers as the lords and representatives of the heavenly realm
Speaker 3: looking after us, and we were the ones on Earth
Speaker 3: that were the lords and supposed to be representing Him
Speaker 3: here on Earth. And Eden was in the middle ground
Speaker 3: we're having on Earth met and we convened and walked
Speaker 3: with God. Yes, but the rebellion's got in the way
Speaker 3: of that.
Speaker 2: Yep. Yeah. This motif of.
Speaker 1: You know, God coming in and creating order out of chaos,
Speaker 1: that's what you know we get from the Creation story
Speaker 1: was there was chaos and then God brought order to it.
Speaker 1: God's a god of order. And then later on the
Speaker 1: rebellions come in and you see everything go into disorder,
Speaker 1: back into chaos. And this is Satan's agenda, is bringing chaos,
Speaker 1: bringing disorder, and God is trying to bring everything back
Speaker 1: into order all the time, and he's relying on us
Speaker 1: humans to do that work. As you said before, it
Speaker 1: is on us to accept this gift that's been given
Speaker 1: to us, this this chance of redemption, and to walk
Speaker 1: in that and to image him on this earth again,
Speaker 1: as as he says in his words, So man, we
Speaker 1: don't want to take up all your time. Really appreciate
Speaker 1: you coming on and getting real with us and explaining
Speaker 1: these things to us, because you know, we've listened to
Speaker 1: you explain some things and you just have a really
Speaker 1: good way of doing it. And so we're hoping that
Speaker 1: our audience really connects with you, and we're also hoping
Speaker 1: that they come over to your podcast and listen to
Speaker 1: what you've got to say. Because there's so many distractions
Speaker 1: out there in the world. We we can, you know,
Speaker 1: turn off our TV shows and our radios and our
Speaker 1: music and all of the things that are distracting us
Speaker 1: from what's real and what's good, and we can take
Speaker 1: the time to listen to things that lift us up,
Speaker 1: things that bring us to the level of knowing God
Speaker 1: for who he really is and following after him so well.
Speaker 4: And that's what I love about this podcast community, is
Speaker 4: you have a different way than I've ever heard of
Speaker 4: laying all that out, and then maybe Rick has a
Speaker 4: different way later that speaks to somebody else, Like you
Speaker 4: don't know whose voice is going to come through louder
Speaker 4: So the more that you can listen to these guys
Speaker 4: and listen to the structure of how he lays it out,
Speaker 4: It's like it's going to speak to people that we
Speaker 4: maybe wouldn't you know, and vice versa. That's just I
Speaker 4: think that's how it was meant to be.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, not everybody's a fit in the body of Christ.
Speaker 3: We got hands, fingers, and toes.
Speaker 2: Yep, exactly right. Well, justin thank you again for coming on.
Speaker 1: His podcast again is the dig podcast, and they are
Speaker 1: doing great work over there, so give them a check
Speaker 1: and hopefully we'll get to talk with you again soon brother.
Speaker 3: Olies, and I really appreciate you having me on. It
Speaker 3: was nice to sit down at the dinner table with
Speaker 3: the Fringe family and pass the juice there.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: I love it all right, my friend, you'd take care
Speaker 1: and that's it for us on this episode of That's
Speaker 1: So Fringy Podcast again. I'm Rick, I'm Kristen, and we
Speaker 1: are out of here.
Speaker 2: Thank you to pict