WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.919 --> 00:00:05.839 All right, all right, all right, welcome back to That's 2 00:00:05.879 --> 00:00:11.640 So Fringy podcast. We are here today with Justin from 3 00:00:11.960 --> 00:00:17.320 the Dig Bible podcast. And yes it's the Bible podcast. 4 00:00:17.359 --> 00:00:21.039 There are other the Dig podcasts or Dig podcasts, so 5 00:00:21.239 --> 00:00:23.600 just make sure you're looking for the right one if 6 00:00:23.640 --> 00:00:26.679 you want to look these guys up, which we encourage 7 00:00:26.719 --> 00:00:30.640 you to do. I'll also be placing the link to 8 00:00:30.679 --> 00:00:33.479 their show in the show notes, so you can just 9 00:00:33.520 --> 00:00:35.880 go down there and click and it'll take you right 10 00:00:35.960 --> 00:00:39.479 to it. 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You guys, hopefully are enjoying them, 33 00:02:00.680 --> 00:02:04.959 and stay tuned, my friends, there's a lot more to 34 00:02:05.159 --> 00:02:09.000 come out here in this fringy universe. So with that, 35 00:02:09.759 --> 00:02:35.520 let's get into it all right, you guys, welcome back 36 00:02:35.520 --> 00:02:37.400 to that so fringy podcast. 37 00:02:37.520 --> 00:02:39.759 I'm Rick, I'm Kristen, and. 38 00:02:39.680 --> 00:02:44.360 We're here with Justin Brown. He's from the Dig podcast 39 00:02:44.599 --> 00:02:48.159 and they're doing great things. You can get their podcast 40 00:02:48.680 --> 00:02:51.919 anywhere you listen to your podcast, and we just wanted 41 00:02:51.960 --> 00:02:55.280 to have a quick conversation with him today about how 42 00:02:55.360 --> 00:02:59.240 his podcast is going, how it's being received. But also 43 00:03:00.639 --> 00:03:02.560 Justin has a lot of knowledge when it comes to 44 00:03:02.840 --> 00:03:07.520 the biblical worldview that we've been talking about and trying 45 00:03:07.520 --> 00:03:10.560 to illustrate for you guys. And so today we're going 46 00:03:10.639 --> 00:03:14.280 to talk about the three rebellions in the Bible. Most 47 00:03:14.319 --> 00:03:17.000 of us think of one rebellion when we think of 48 00:03:17.039 --> 00:03:20.000 the Bible, but there are actually three and they're all 49 00:03:20.120 --> 00:03:23.800 very significant. So before we jump into that, justin just 50 00:03:24.919 --> 00:03:27.319 tell us what got you started in podcasting? 51 00:03:27.360 --> 00:03:30.120 What made you decide to start a podcast? 52 00:03:31.599 --> 00:03:34.439 Well, honestly, it was back in like twenty twelve. I 53 00:03:34.479 --> 00:03:39.159 discovered Tray Smith on YouTube and already had a good 54 00:03:39.520 --> 00:03:42.240 passion and love for the Word, but when I was 55 00:03:42.280 --> 00:03:44.199 hearing the stuff he was talking about and how there 56 00:03:44.280 --> 00:03:47.199 was just so much more. I mean, I always had 57 00:03:47.199 --> 00:03:52.080 that seek, you know, seeking you shall find mentality. I 58 00:03:52.159 --> 00:03:54.080 knew that there was more there than what I was 59 00:03:54.120 --> 00:03:57.639 being taught, and I guess just the Holy Spirit led 60 00:03:57.680 --> 00:04:00.479 me there in twenty twelve when I was actually ready 61 00:04:00.520 --> 00:04:04.199 for it. So once he I discovered his videos, I 62 00:04:04.240 --> 00:04:06.479 really just took a deep dive into the scripture and 63 00:04:06.960 --> 00:04:11.039 watching all these videos on YouTube, and long after that 64 00:04:11.080 --> 00:04:13.639 I found Mike Haiser and it just totally little fired 65 00:04:13.680 --> 00:04:16.959 up underneath me, man, and it just sent me down 66 00:04:17.000 --> 00:04:20.240 this long journey and hundreds of books and hundreds of 67 00:04:20.279 --> 00:04:23.319 hours of study, and it was just awesome all the 68 00:04:23.759 --> 00:04:25.720 doors that God was opening up and all the things 69 00:04:25.759 --> 00:04:28.639 that He was showing me. And I honestly just wanted 70 00:04:28.680 --> 00:04:31.439 to share that with other people because I knew what 71 00:04:31.480 --> 00:04:33.680 had done for me in my faith, and connecting those 72 00:04:33.720 --> 00:04:37.120 dots and answering the wise, it brought me closer to God. 73 00:04:37.600 --> 00:04:39.120 You know, I grew up in church, you know, my 74 00:04:39.160 --> 00:04:41.680 whole life. I knew all these stories, but I'd heard 75 00:04:41.680 --> 00:04:44.920 them so many times. They were kind of mundane. They 76 00:04:44.959 --> 00:04:47.439 had no real significance. It's like, yeah, I know, Jesus 77 00:04:47.519 --> 00:04:50.120 went to the cross, you know, yes, I know Goliath 78 00:04:50.240 --> 00:04:53.279 was a giant David slewing with a stone. But once 79 00:04:53.319 --> 00:04:56.319 I actually started connecting the dots and seeing the wise, 80 00:04:56.439 --> 00:04:58.680 it really brought it to life for me, and it 81 00:04:58.759 --> 00:05:01.680 really give me a whole new appreciation for my word. 82 00:05:01.720 --> 00:05:03.759 And I just wanted to share that with others. And 83 00:05:03.800 --> 00:05:07.120 I honestly started a small group and I invited like 84 00:05:07.279 --> 00:05:12.240 fifteen twenty friends, and four guys showed up, and three 85 00:05:12.360 --> 00:05:16.480 meetings later, my buddy Stephen, he was like, man, we 86 00:05:16.519 --> 00:05:20.160 should be recording this, and I was like, recording it 87 00:05:20.319 --> 00:05:23.279 like for Facebook. He's like, no, a podcast, And at 88 00:05:23.279 --> 00:05:25.240 this point I was I didn't really know what a 89 00:05:25.279 --> 00:05:28.319 podcast was. I had actually just started, you know, listening 90 00:05:28.319 --> 00:05:32.319 to the Naked Bible podcast and I was like, no, 91 00:05:33.759 --> 00:05:35.920 you know, I know they talk on a podcast, but 92 00:05:36.000 --> 00:05:38.519 that's about it. Man, I don't know nothing about podcastsing know, 93 00:05:38.600 --> 00:05:41.759 we ain't doing that. And thank god, he rode me 94 00:05:42.160 --> 00:05:45.519 like a borrowed mule, and eventually I was like, all right, 95 00:05:45.560 --> 00:05:49.279 let's do this. And his brother, luckily he done podcasting, 96 00:05:49.720 --> 00:05:52.319 had some experience, so he kind of trained us and 97 00:05:52.319 --> 00:05:54.319 show us how to do this thing, and you know, 98 00:05:54.519 --> 00:05:55.639 eight months later, here we. 99 00:05:55.639 --> 00:05:58.319 Are, Yeah, well that's awesome. Man. 100 00:05:58.360 --> 00:06:03.360 It's really growing and it's it's just, you know, once 101 00:06:03.439 --> 00:06:06.600 God is involved, it seems like the growth just comes 102 00:06:06.759 --> 00:06:10.240 and and you're not even you know, you're you're you're 103 00:06:10.279 --> 00:06:13.199 barely thinking that this thing is going to do anything, 104 00:06:13.279 --> 00:06:16.000 and all of a sudden it takes off and it's 105 00:06:16.040 --> 00:06:18.600 pretty wild to see. And we're grateful to see other 106 00:06:18.600 --> 00:06:21.040 people out there doing this work as well. 107 00:06:21.120 --> 00:06:22.000 So good on you man. 108 00:06:22.680 --> 00:06:25.079 Yeah, it's like a what is it the field of dreams? 109 00:06:25.120 --> 00:06:27.720 You know, build it and they will come. Yeah, it's 110 00:06:27.759 --> 00:06:31.199 you know, we're just you know, three rednecks talking out 111 00:06:31.240 --> 00:06:34.360 of a garage in East Tennessee. And like I said, 112 00:06:34.399 --> 00:06:36.319 you know, we're eight months in and we've just surpassed 113 00:06:36.360 --> 00:06:39.040 ten thousand downloads and two hundred subscribers, and it's just 114 00:06:39.120 --> 00:06:41.720 like we just doing this because we thought it was 115 00:06:41.759 --> 00:06:44.000 fun and maybe a few people will enjoy it, you know, 116 00:06:44.079 --> 00:06:45.279 So this this is awesome. 117 00:06:45.839 --> 00:06:46.079 Yeah. 118 00:06:46.160 --> 00:06:46.680 Yeah. 119 00:06:47.120 --> 00:06:49.240 Well and you find that, you know, people aren't really 120 00:06:49.279 --> 00:06:52.839 that interested in the news anymore, because everybody's starting to 121 00:06:52.959 --> 00:06:55.720 see through the lies and see through the you know, 122 00:06:56.199 --> 00:07:00.120 all of the facade is beginning to crumble around us, 123 00:07:00.160 --> 00:07:02.560 you know, and I think people are hungry for truth. 124 00:07:03.040 --> 00:07:06.720 You know, I'm hungry if I'm for me anyway, going 125 00:07:06.759 --> 00:07:09.560 to church for a long time was just like torture, 126 00:07:09.800 --> 00:07:12.399 you know, because I loved God and I wanted to 127 00:07:12.480 --> 00:07:15.480 do my my due diligence. But it was like torture 128 00:07:15.480 --> 00:07:19.000 because they weren't talking about anything of substance. It was 129 00:07:19.040 --> 00:07:21.600 like We're just going to share the same stories over 130 00:07:21.680 --> 00:07:25.560 and over and over again, and there was no gravity 131 00:07:25.639 --> 00:07:26.000 to it. 132 00:07:26.079 --> 00:07:26.279 You know. 133 00:07:26.480 --> 00:07:29.560 I felt like the scripture, you know, you shouldn't you 134 00:07:29.560 --> 00:07:32.600 shouldn't be on milk. You know, I'm paraphrasing, obviously, but 135 00:07:32.639 --> 00:07:34.079 you shouldn't be on milk anymore. 136 00:07:34.120 --> 00:07:35.120 You should be on meat. 137 00:07:35.199 --> 00:07:37.399 You should have you should have come to a place 138 00:07:37.600 --> 00:07:41.279 in your faith where you're you're taking in more than 139 00:07:41.519 --> 00:07:44.759 just the things that got you in the door. Obviously, 140 00:07:44.920 --> 00:07:49.920 Jesus salvation is important, but then there's a lot more 141 00:07:49.959 --> 00:07:52.680 to the story, and those are the things that we're 142 00:07:52.759 --> 00:07:53.680 trying to bring out. 143 00:07:54.600 --> 00:07:56.639 So which I was just going to say, I hate sound, 144 00:07:56.680 --> 00:07:58.759 you know, all new agey, but you know, we are 145 00:07:59.160 --> 00:08:00.680 in the age of a core Is, you know, and 146 00:08:00.800 --> 00:08:03.480 it says that in the last days I will pour 147 00:08:03.560 --> 00:08:06.480 out my spirit upon all flesh, you know, and knowledge 148 00:08:06.519 --> 00:08:08.759 will increase, you know, the old men will have dreams 149 00:08:08.800 --> 00:08:11.639 and the young men will prophesy. I think we're seeing that. 150 00:08:12.240 --> 00:08:16.920 And there's such a craving for the supernatural and spiritual 151 00:08:17.160 --> 00:08:22.720 things today and the Bible is the number one source 152 00:08:22.839 --> 00:08:25.720 of those things. But the Church has a very truncated 153 00:08:25.839 --> 00:08:28.959 view of the supernatural. You know, we believe in Jesus 154 00:08:29.560 --> 00:08:32.960 as far as the immaculate conception, you know, the miracles 155 00:08:32.960 --> 00:08:35.159 and the resurrection, but it's like the buck stops at 156 00:08:35.240 --> 00:08:38.279 Jesus and it's like, no, there's so much more there. 157 00:08:38.279 --> 00:08:42.440 And that's why Ancient Aliens, ghost Hunters, shows like that 158 00:08:42.480 --> 00:08:45.679 are doing so well today, because the people are hungry 159 00:08:45.679 --> 00:08:48.320 for it. You know, the harvest is ripe. The church 160 00:08:48.399 --> 00:08:49.840 is not ready to step up to the plate and 161 00:08:49.879 --> 00:08:51.279 talk about what's in our book. 162 00:08:52.559 --> 00:08:55.399 Yeah, yeah, I might agree with that completely. 163 00:08:56.320 --> 00:08:58.639 So let's get into it. Man, Let's talk about these 164 00:08:59.039 --> 00:09:02.559 three rebellions. As I assuming before, we've got three rebellions, 165 00:09:02.960 --> 00:09:06.080 and why don't you start us off with the first one? 166 00:09:06.080 --> 00:09:07.720 And I think the one that most of us are 167 00:09:08.120 --> 00:09:09.440 most familiar. 168 00:09:08.960 --> 00:09:14.039 With, Yeah, see with that is too is this If 169 00:09:14.080 --> 00:09:16.720 you know the three rebellions, it's a good way to 170 00:09:17.039 --> 00:09:20.320 combat you know, the atheists, you know that want to say, 171 00:09:20.320 --> 00:09:22.279 you know, well, if there is a loving God, why 172 00:09:22.360 --> 00:09:24.720 is the world in the way that it's in right now? 173 00:09:25.240 --> 00:09:28.440 What's because they don't know these supernatural things. This is 174 00:09:28.480 --> 00:09:31.960 a these three rebellions in the story of the Bible. 175 00:09:31.960 --> 00:09:34.960 It's the greatest story that's ever been told. But it's 176 00:09:35.039 --> 00:09:35.960 not being told. 177 00:09:36.840 --> 00:09:37.039 You know. 178 00:09:37.440 --> 00:09:40.440 Look look at the Game of Thrones, you know, number 179 00:09:40.440 --> 00:09:43.039 one hit show. Everybody loves it, right, It's a show 180 00:09:43.080 --> 00:09:45.919 about an empire Well, what happens. You have a king 181 00:09:46.720 --> 00:09:50.480 that unites the empires and the realms. Well, then you 182 00:09:50.600 --> 00:09:54.279 have his inner court, you know, deceiving one another, plotting 183 00:09:54.320 --> 00:09:59.919 and scheming to overthrow. Then chaos breaks out, war, then 184 00:10:00.559 --> 00:10:03.840 the prince is sent away, and then he has to 185 00:10:03.840 --> 00:10:07.039 come back and reclaim his throne. You know. That's the 186 00:10:07.080 --> 00:10:10.120 story of the Bible, you know, but we just don't 187 00:10:10.159 --> 00:10:12.960 see that. But yeah, when you come to the first rebellion, 188 00:10:13.000 --> 00:10:15.240 that's most familiar with everybody, you know, it is Adam 189 00:10:15.480 --> 00:10:19.440 and Eve and the serpent. Well, in the original language 190 00:10:19.440 --> 00:10:24.120 of that word is nakash. Well, the nakash the Hebrew 191 00:10:24.320 --> 00:10:27.720 language is very diverse, much like English. You can have 192 00:10:27.759 --> 00:10:31.600 one word and have multiple meanings. Well, it can mean serpent, 193 00:10:32.440 --> 00:10:35.559 but it can also mean the shining one or the 194 00:10:35.559 --> 00:10:40.879 one who practices divination. So one thing that should stand 195 00:10:40.879 --> 00:10:44.559 out to us when we read that. You know, this 196 00:10:44.720 --> 00:10:48.080 serpent comes up to Eve, starts talking to her and 197 00:10:48.159 --> 00:10:51.919 suggests that she should eat from this tree. Well, number 198 00:10:51.960 --> 00:10:58.480 one thing we should notice, snakes don't talk. Number two, 199 00:10:59.320 --> 00:11:02.240 how did she read act to this snake talking? She 200 00:11:02.440 --> 00:11:06.240 wasn't afraid, she wasn't taken back by it. And then 201 00:11:06.320 --> 00:11:09.799 number three, she trusted this snake. She never questioned it. 202 00:11:11.200 --> 00:11:13.200 And you've talked about, I've heard you on your show 203 00:11:13.200 --> 00:11:15.440 talk about, you know, the Divine Council worldview and things 204 00:11:15.480 --> 00:11:19.240 like that. Well, Eden was on God's holy mountain. It 205 00:11:19.360 --> 00:11:22.759 was a garden, and God walked with Adam and Eve. Well, 206 00:11:22.799 --> 00:11:26.200 there was other supernatural entities that was there with them, 207 00:11:26.759 --> 00:11:29.759 you know. And job It talked about at Creation that 208 00:11:29.879 --> 00:11:32.960 the morning stars sang for joy at the side of creation. 209 00:11:33.320 --> 00:11:37.240 You know, these heavenly created beings, these you know, lowercase 210 00:11:37.320 --> 00:11:42.679 g gods Eloheim were basically our elder brothers. You know, 211 00:11:42.960 --> 00:11:45.879 our elder brothers are supposed to be our keepers and 212 00:11:45.919 --> 00:11:49.360 look out for us. But what happened was was this 213 00:11:49.519 --> 00:11:53.799 Nakash seeing the love and the favor that he had 214 00:11:53.840 --> 00:11:56.679 for the younger brother, which is a common thing we 215 00:11:56.720 --> 00:12:02.960 see throughout the Bible, and jealous see set in and 216 00:12:03.000 --> 00:12:07.000 he deceived us, you know, so like and one thing 217 00:12:07.039 --> 00:12:09.320 we can see that is an example like in Ezekiel 218 00:12:09.360 --> 00:12:13.480 twenty eight. You know, there's two parts to that one 219 00:12:13.559 --> 00:12:16.919 and Ezekiel twenty eight he's talking to the King of Tire. Well, 220 00:12:16.960 --> 00:12:19.279 then when you read the second part of that he's saying, 221 00:12:19.720 --> 00:12:22.559 you know, you were perfect in the days that you 222 00:12:22.559 --> 00:12:26.320 were created. You know, every precious stone was you're covering, 223 00:12:26.960 --> 00:12:30.360 you were in the garden of God, you know, and 224 00:12:30.679 --> 00:12:32.840 all these you know, descriptive things that says, you know, 225 00:12:32.919 --> 00:12:37.240 you were a guardian Cherub. So it's a two part 226 00:12:37.960 --> 00:12:43.120 like prophecy or proclamation. He's not only speaking to the king, 227 00:12:43.759 --> 00:12:48.080 he's speaking to the spirit and the cash behind this ruler. 228 00:12:48.759 --> 00:12:49.080 Yes. 229 00:12:49.919 --> 00:12:53.720 So, and that goes back into the whole you know, 230 00:12:53.799 --> 00:12:56.840 Dudterrhoney thirty two, and also with the on earth as 231 00:12:56.840 --> 00:12:59.519 it is in heaven. So, I mean that was the 232 00:12:59.519 --> 00:13:02.279 first and everybody's familiar with. But I just wanted to 233 00:13:02.320 --> 00:13:04.799 add that little caveat about the nakash because that's something 234 00:13:04.840 --> 00:13:06.600 that's overlooked a lot, but. 235 00:13:06.679 --> 00:13:10.440 That's pretty important to know the original language and the 236 00:13:10.480 --> 00:13:13.919 original context. And we've been trying to hammer that point 237 00:13:13.919 --> 00:13:16.559 home in our podcast, and I know doctor Michael Heiser 238 00:13:16.600 --> 00:13:20.000 and many others are you know, doing the same. They 239 00:13:20.080 --> 00:13:23.600 want people to realize that we're not reading this the 240 00:13:23.639 --> 00:13:27.720 way that you know, our modern society is reading it. 241 00:13:27.799 --> 00:13:30.519 We're reading it from their perspective, and that's when these 242 00:13:31.639 --> 00:13:35.000 diamonds in the rough begin to start showing themselves. 243 00:13:36.240 --> 00:13:36.600 Yes. 244 00:13:37.440 --> 00:13:39.759 And then the second one is, you know, one of 245 00:13:39.799 --> 00:13:42.799 my favorites and everybody loves, you know, the Fallen Angels 246 00:13:42.799 --> 00:13:45.679 and the giants. You know, so you've got Genesis sixers 247 00:13:45.679 --> 00:13:48.080 with the Fallen Angels. Of course, you got the you know, 248 00:13:48.120 --> 00:13:49.799 the Book of Enoch. You know, it says that they 249 00:13:49.919 --> 00:13:53.600 landed on Mount Hermon, and when they land, you know, 250 00:13:53.679 --> 00:13:58.279 they it talks about all these different forbidden knowledge that 251 00:13:58.320 --> 00:14:01.360 they teach these people. So they took you know, wives 252 00:14:01.399 --> 00:14:06.679 for themselves, created Nephelim giants, taught them all this forbidden knowledge. 253 00:14:06.840 --> 00:14:09.600 And you see this echoed throughout history, through all the 254 00:14:09.639 --> 00:14:13.720 different cultures, same story, just different versions and spins. You know, 255 00:14:13.799 --> 00:14:17.519 with the Greeks you have Prometheus. Prometheus stole the fire, 256 00:14:17.559 --> 00:14:20.759 which is symbolic for the knowledge and gave it to humanity. 257 00:14:20.799 --> 00:14:24.440 Well what happens Zeus takes him and sends him down 258 00:14:24.440 --> 00:14:25.159 to Tartarus. 259 00:14:26.559 --> 00:14:26.759 You know. 260 00:14:27.120 --> 00:14:31.279 With the Mesopotamians, you have the seven op cal loose Sages, 261 00:14:32.080 --> 00:14:34.799 and they're actually even depicted as fish swimming through the 262 00:14:34.840 --> 00:14:38.679 flood and giving the knowledge to mankind. And what happens 263 00:14:38.679 --> 00:14:42.279 to God all gets enraged sends him to the underworld. 264 00:14:42.840 --> 00:14:45.399 So I mean you have this over and over and 265 00:14:45.440 --> 00:14:49.200 over again throughout just many cultures. So I mean, I'm 266 00:14:49.240 --> 00:14:51.840 not a coincidence theist. You know, when you see all 267 00:14:51.879 --> 00:14:54.759 these things add up like that, it's probably happened. 268 00:14:55.360 --> 00:14:56.840 Yeah. 269 00:14:56.519 --> 00:15:01.120 But what's crazy is when you I want to explain 270 00:15:01.159 --> 00:15:04.360 what they call a contract law and stuff like that, 271 00:15:04.399 --> 00:15:08.240 and with Adam's dominion, and this is the wise that 272 00:15:08.320 --> 00:15:11.720 I talk about. We recently had David Paxton on our 273 00:15:11.720 --> 00:15:14.799 show and he talked about you know, contract law and 274 00:15:14.840 --> 00:15:18.279 seeing it through that lens, through your Bible. Well, when 275 00:15:18.320 --> 00:15:21.039 you're making a contract, you know there's certain rules that 276 00:15:21.120 --> 00:15:24.960 have to apply. So one, you know, there cannot be 277 00:15:25.000 --> 00:15:29.279 any false pretenses. And then number two, it has to 278 00:15:29.279 --> 00:15:36.240 be with like kinds. So Satan couldn't take away our 279 00:15:36.320 --> 00:15:40.799 dominion that was given to us at creation. So Satan 280 00:15:40.960 --> 00:15:47.440 being the ultimate you know, legalist, seeing a loophole. He's like, well, 281 00:15:47.480 --> 00:15:51.399 if I can get these angels to rebel have half 282 00:15:51.720 --> 00:15:56.960 human half angelic beings, then boom, there's my loophole. I 283 00:15:57.000 --> 00:16:00.799 can take dominion of Earth because they have human DNA. 284 00:16:02.399 --> 00:16:06.039 But once again, it was under false pretenses, because was 285 00:16:06.080 --> 00:16:07.559 he tell us in the garden. You know, at first 286 00:16:07.559 --> 00:16:10.559 he says, eat from this apple and you will be 287 00:16:10.600 --> 00:16:13.759 as gods. There was a lie, there was a false pretense, 288 00:16:13.799 --> 00:16:17.759 so it's already no one void. But then two he 289 00:16:17.879 --> 00:16:20.879 tries to pretend and show that he is a like kind, 290 00:16:21.639 --> 00:16:22.320 which he is not. 291 00:16:23.480 --> 00:16:24.000 And that's the. 292 00:16:23.960 --> 00:16:27.320 Whole reason while the flood had to come, you know. 293 00:16:27.360 --> 00:16:29.200 And that's another thing atheists will to say, you know, well, 294 00:16:29.200 --> 00:16:33.120 how can a loving God destroy all humanity in women 295 00:16:33.159 --> 00:16:38.159 and children? Well, it was to take back dominion which 296 00:16:38.240 --> 00:16:41.600 these fallen angels and the devil tried to take from us, 297 00:16:42.000 --> 00:16:46.200 and also to protect that bloodline for the coming Messiah, 298 00:16:46.519 --> 00:16:49.519 you know. So, I mean there's there's reasons to these things, 299 00:16:49.559 --> 00:16:51.960 you know, if we just know the answers and how 300 00:16:52.000 --> 00:16:54.440 to combat these these lies. 301 00:16:56.639 --> 00:17:00.519 Yeah, and it's it's simple to see it once you 302 00:17:00.879 --> 00:17:04.480 explain it in that context. You know, you have these 303 00:17:04.599 --> 00:17:08.799 natural laws that we all have to follow. These are 304 00:17:08.839 --> 00:17:11.720 the laws that are written on our heart, the Bible says, 305 00:17:12.160 --> 00:17:16.839 and when we follow those laws, we prosper. Everything's fine. 306 00:17:17.240 --> 00:17:20.880 But then when we get out of following those laws 307 00:17:20.920 --> 00:17:23.519 that are written on our heart, we end up in rebellion, 308 00:17:23.799 --> 00:17:28.759 and that's where Satan found himself, is going after his 309 00:17:28.799 --> 00:17:32.200 own desires instead of relying on the law that has 310 00:17:32.240 --> 00:17:35.799 been written on his heart. And so he crosses over 311 00:17:36.079 --> 00:17:40.240 out of his out of his domain and causes all 312 00:17:40.319 --> 00:17:41.480 kinds of ruckus. 313 00:17:43.079 --> 00:17:43.240 Yeah. 314 00:17:43.359 --> 00:17:45.880 See, And I believe honestly that it was Satan that 315 00:17:46.079 --> 00:17:50.079 enticed these fallen angels, because when you get into First Enoch, 316 00:17:50.200 --> 00:17:53.119 it's chapter fifty four, verse four and verse six, it 317 00:17:53.119 --> 00:17:57.799 says plainly that these fallen angels became subject to Satan, 318 00:17:59.519 --> 00:18:01.359 you know. And it's important when we look at the 319 00:18:01.440 --> 00:18:04.480 Kingdom of Heaven, we have to look at it, like 320 00:18:04.480 --> 00:18:06.359 I said before, you know, the greatest story ever told. 321 00:18:06.400 --> 00:18:09.720 In compared to the Game of Thrones. Every kingdom has 322 00:18:09.759 --> 00:18:15.799 a king, Every kingdom has princes, it has soldiers, it 323 00:18:15.880 --> 00:18:19.200 has captains of armies, you know, and all these things, 324 00:18:19.200 --> 00:18:22.440 and also it has subjects. And it says plainly in 325 00:18:22.480 --> 00:18:25.279 scripture that Satan has a kingdom too, because when they 326 00:18:25.319 --> 00:18:28.759 accuse Jesus of casting out these demons, you know, in 327 00:18:28.880 --> 00:18:32.359 the name of you know, Belzebub, you know, he says, 328 00:18:32.640 --> 00:18:35.960 you know, a nation divided amongst itself will not stand 329 00:18:36.599 --> 00:18:39.440 you know, so he's telling us that kingdom. You know 330 00:18:39.480 --> 00:18:42.440 that Satan has his own kingdom also, So it's a 331 00:18:43.279 --> 00:18:47.279 supernatural battle for dominion of this earth and for the 332 00:18:47.279 --> 00:18:49.480 souls of the people in it going on all around 333 00:18:49.519 --> 00:18:50.400 us every single day. 334 00:18:50.640 --> 00:18:58.079 Yes, yeah, and you know, transform transforming that into today 335 00:18:58.319 --> 00:19:03.960 mindset is very This hasn't stopped happening, as you just said, 336 00:19:04.000 --> 00:19:08.079 this is a continued battle that we're going through right now. 337 00:19:08.119 --> 00:19:10.759 And that's why we felt it was so important to 338 00:19:10.799 --> 00:19:14.799 start this podcast is because if you don't understand what 339 00:19:15.079 --> 00:19:17.920 happened back then, then you're not going to understand what's 340 00:19:17.960 --> 00:19:21.960 happening right now. But once you do understand, then it 341 00:19:22.000 --> 00:19:25.200 begins to unlock all of the truths that you're seeing 342 00:19:26.000 --> 00:19:27.759 right in front of you every day. 343 00:19:29.039 --> 00:19:32.920 Yeah. And scripture I got here too. You know, even 344 00:19:33.000 --> 00:19:35.319 Satan lays out his game plan. You know in Isaiah 345 00:19:35.440 --> 00:19:39.279 chapter fourteen, verse thirteen and fourteen, you said in your heart, 346 00:19:39.319 --> 00:19:42.480 I will ascend to heaven above the stars of God. 347 00:19:42.799 --> 00:19:44.960 I will set my throne on high, and I will 348 00:19:45.000 --> 00:19:47.440 sit on the mount of Assembly. And he goes on 349 00:19:47.559 --> 00:19:51.319 later say I will make myself like the most high. 350 00:19:51.799 --> 00:19:54.880 So I mean it's the Battle of the Two Kingdoms, 351 00:19:54.880 --> 00:20:00.440 and he's trying to take dominion away from God. But 352 00:20:00.599 --> 00:20:03.200 you know that leads us to the Third Rebellion. Whether 353 00:20:03.240 --> 00:20:06.680 this is honestly my favorite one, and this is the 354 00:20:06.680 --> 00:20:11.039 one I get the most passionate about because I was 355 00:20:11.079 --> 00:20:14.079 always told about the Tower of Babel in Sunday School. 356 00:20:14.359 --> 00:20:16.759 You know, they built this tall tower trying to get 357 00:20:16.799 --> 00:20:20.720 into heaven. You know, God divided the tongues and the 358 00:20:20.759 --> 00:20:24.319 peoples and they spread, you know, And I was like 359 00:20:24.400 --> 00:20:28.160 always thinking, well, if that's the case, I mean, we 360 00:20:28.279 --> 00:20:33.279 got tall buildings today and God doesn't intervene, there has 361 00:20:33.319 --> 00:20:36.279 to be something more. And that's all you get. You 362 00:20:36.319 --> 00:20:39.240 get this little blurb, just you know, a paragraph, you 363 00:20:39.279 --> 00:20:42.559 know in Genesis about the Tower of Babel. But once 364 00:20:42.599 --> 00:20:45.759 you get to digging and you get to look, you know, 365 00:20:46.000 --> 00:20:51.160 I discovered the Uteronomy thirty two and that totally opened 366 00:20:51.160 --> 00:20:53.920 my mind and changed my paradigm, and it give me 367 00:20:54.480 --> 00:20:57.920 a spiritual lens to see the world that we're in today. 368 00:20:58.079 --> 00:21:02.559 And it answered so many questions. Why there's so much corruption, 369 00:21:03.319 --> 00:21:07.680 why there's abortion, why there's child abuse, why there's murder, 370 00:21:08.400 --> 00:21:11.119 just all these things. Because even as a Christian, I 371 00:21:11.200 --> 00:21:15.799 was like, you know, God, you're a loving god. You know, 372 00:21:15.799 --> 00:21:20.559 that's what our scripture tells us. But if you love us, 373 00:21:20.680 --> 00:21:25.480 why do you allow all these things to happen? And 374 00:21:25.519 --> 00:21:30.720 it goes back to contracts. God made a contract with 375 00:21:30.880 --> 00:21:37.400 his elder sons, and even though they are negating on 376 00:21:37.480 --> 00:21:40.279 that and ruling unjustly, he is a god of his word. 377 00:21:41.240 --> 00:21:44.839 But rest assured he's got a plant. Yeah, we just 378 00:21:44.880 --> 00:21:46.839 have to read and know that plan and trust in 379 00:21:46.880 --> 00:21:50.119 that plan, you know, but I'll never forget it. When 380 00:21:50.119 --> 00:21:53.119 I was reading Deuteronomy three two verse eight, you know, 381 00:21:53.160 --> 00:21:57.480 it said that that the nations were divided, you know, 382 00:21:57.640 --> 00:22:01.559 but it says not only were the tongues divine, that 383 00:22:01.599 --> 00:22:07.119 the nations were divided amongst the sons of God. There's 384 00:22:07.160 --> 00:22:09.079 that sons of God again, the same one we see 385 00:22:09.079 --> 00:22:14.039 in Genesis six, but nehi elohem. And every single time 386 00:22:14.119 --> 00:22:18.519 that that phrase is used, it's talking about supernatural entities. 387 00:22:20.359 --> 00:22:23.440 And just before all that happens in Genesis ten. You know, 388 00:22:23.480 --> 00:22:26.200 I know, genealogies and stuff like that, and numbers can 389 00:22:26.240 --> 00:22:31.680 be boring, I get it, but it's important. Yeah, when 390 00:22:31.680 --> 00:22:37.279 you read it, there's seventy nations mentioned. Now does that 391 00:22:37.319 --> 00:22:40.960 mean literally that there was seventy only seventy nations. No, 392 00:22:41.759 --> 00:22:47.559 there's symbology and numerology in your Bible. Anytime you see seventy, 393 00:22:47.599 --> 00:22:52.519 it's symbolic for all. It means it's a totality number. 394 00:22:52.559 --> 00:22:52.759 You know. 395 00:22:52.799 --> 00:22:56.279 Gideon and his seventy sons. Now, he didn't literally have 396 00:22:56.319 --> 00:22:58.960 seventy sons. He was saying all of his sons, the 397 00:22:59.039 --> 00:23:02.000 seventy nations, all the nations, you know. So when you 398 00:23:02.039 --> 00:23:05.680 see that, it's important to know that. But when you 399 00:23:05.720 --> 00:23:10.720 see that, it just it explains everything so well, o case. 400 00:23:10.799 --> 00:23:12.839 And that's why when you get into Psalms eighty two, 401 00:23:13.599 --> 00:23:18.359