1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:03,879 Speaker 1: And we're back, so some questions. Yeah, I was talking 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:05,639 number one, thank you, and we're still talking about dc 3 00:00:05,719 --> 00:00:07,719 and Supermans. If you got any more questions, hit us 4 00:00:07,759 --> 00:00:10,480 up with there because we're still talking about some DCU stuff. 5 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:15,800 But let's see, Sir Charlie Rendell says, is Nicholas holds Lex, Sorry, 6 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:19,839 is Nicholas holds Lex the best Superman movie villain we've got? Also, 7 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:25,960 how would you compare him to the DCU villains for Superman? 8 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:28,679 For me, that's an easy yes. I can answer that 9 00:00:28,679 --> 00:00:30,879 because that's in the rankings. Easy yes, because I don't 10 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:34,159 love Gene Hackman, don't like Eisenberg. The only one that 11 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:37,640 gives him a run for his money is Michael Shannon 12 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:43,479 as Zod. But I still give I like, I'm not 13 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:45,600 gonna say the motivations, but the motivitions and Odd are 14 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:47,960 supposed to be civil, right, It's like, hey, my planet died, 15 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:50,479 we're gonna bring it back. And he's very straightforward. Lex 16 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:52,679 is still also very straightforward that he hates Superman. I 17 00:00:52,679 --> 00:00:54,520 think I just love the lengths of how much you 18 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:56,439 hate him, So I would give it to that, and 19 00:00:56,439 --> 00:01:00,399 then for DCEU. So that's all the Snyder reverse stuff. 20 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:04,480 I'd probably I'm the number one. I'd have to take 21 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:07,120 a look at the whole roster. 22 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:13,879 Speaker 2: But he never he never faced Holy funk, what's his 23 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:17,159 name from Zack Snyder's universe? What was the main villain 24 00:01:17,439 --> 00:01:18,480 of the Sneysenberg? 25 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 1: Oh, dark Side, dark Side? 26 00:01:21,359 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 3: We never got that, right, they just tease the shadows. 27 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:26,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then it was good Steppenwolf. Yeah, yeah, he 28 00:01:26,879 --> 00:01:27,599 was good. 29 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:30,799 Speaker 3: And then in BBS, what was the big bands. 30 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 1: As Eisenberg and Doomsday Doomsday. 31 00:01:33,159 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, but I'm not I'm not talking about Eenberg. 32 00:01:35,519 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 2: Okay, No, if I'm talking about I'm talking about Gene 33 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:39,560 Hackman or. 34 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 3: Or Nicholas Holt. 35 00:01:42,719 --> 00:01:46,239 Speaker 2: Just to shoehorn my way into your answer, Gene Hackman 36 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:50,280 is nostalgia for me, Like just I I just love 37 00:01:50,359 --> 00:01:53,439 that character as a kid. That was my first exposure 38 00:01:53,519 --> 00:01:55,879 to the character of Lex Luthor. And now that I've 39 00:01:55,879 --> 00:02:03,599 seen Nicholas Holt since to Brandon, God damn, I go check. 40 00:02:04,519 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: Yeah. 41 00:02:04,719 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, the shame review like that will always just have 42 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:09,039 a special place in my heart. 43 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:09,479 Speaker 1: Of course. 44 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 3: Yeah. 45 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:13,599 Speaker 2: I you know, I was talking mister Nick at some 46 00:02:13,759 --> 00:02:16,240 point in time, but yeah, here in the bag he 47 00:02:16,319 --> 00:02:19,319 did a phenomenal performance, and I really really enjoyed it. 48 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:21,639 I think I I didn't love certain things that the 49 00:02:21,719 --> 00:02:24,800 character was doing, but for performance wise and just as 50 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,719 you said, just getting that like pure hatred out of 51 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:30,919 like this man is like just a super billionaire, Like 52 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:32,080 he doesn't have to be going out of his way. 53 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:34,199 It's just funck over Superman, but like that is just 54 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:37,120 what he's chosen to do. Like fuck this man, Tato's. 55 00:02:36,759 --> 00:02:39,479 Speaker 1: Doing pretty much like I'm Superman. 56 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:42,639 Speaker 3: Tattooed that day, No, yeah, I can't. 57 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:45,039 Speaker 1: Sorry things booked Atlanta for three months. Yeah, I can't 58 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:45,840 take tattoo. 59 00:02:48,439 --> 00:02:52,639 Speaker 3: So Nicky would definitely be easily. 60 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 1: Don't don't call him Nikki, don't call him. His name 61 00:02:56,120 --> 00:03:01,879 is Nicholas Nicky home, Niki oh Super Michael Rosebaum is 62 00:03:01,879 --> 00:03:04,319 still top ex luthor for me. I got to rewatch 63 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:08,199 small Sill. It's all on post Small. Yeah. I I 64 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:10,199 can't say you're wrong because I need to rewatch it. 65 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:15,599 I think that I don't think you're wrong because I 66 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:19,680 think he has I wish Holt at times had a 67 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,520 bit more, a little cooler, because there were a couple 68 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:24,159 of times when when he didn't get me wrong. I 69 00:03:24,159 --> 00:03:25,919 think he's great. I don't think he's on the Mount Rushmore. 70 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:28,240 I've seen people making that argument of like coll mcville 71 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:30,400 in general, I don't think he's that high. But yeah, 72 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:32,599 I need to rewatch small Ville, get and see because 73 00:03:32,879 --> 00:03:36,120 but I love Holt's approach rose Baum, like they start 74 00:03:36,159 --> 00:03:38,520 as friend sim and Clark and there's some revelations. I 75 00:03:38,599 --> 00:03:41,800 do like that, but I do like Alex. It's just fuck, 76 00:03:41,879 --> 00:03:43,599 I hate this alien. I'm gonna do anything to get 77 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:44,280 rid of him, you know. 78 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:48,719 Speaker 2: So yeah, I think he's definitely up there. But I 79 00:03:48,759 --> 00:03:53,680 did really like the Snyder version of Steppenwolf, although we 80 00:03:53,759 --> 00:03:56,919 didn't forgot there. I liked what was showing dark side, 81 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:58,159 but I'm not really going to throw that in there 82 00:03:58,159 --> 00:04:02,560 because you didn't really face off as Superman. Michael Shannon 83 00:04:02,639 --> 00:04:06,599 was odd is just phenomenal. I absolutely love that performance, 84 00:04:06,719 --> 00:04:10,360 and like, I don't I don't even know if this 85 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:12,400 is a good answer because I don't remember too much 86 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:13,599 about the film it's been so long. 87 00:04:13,639 --> 00:04:16,079 Speaker 3: But like I thought a Apocalypse was. 88 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:20,759 Speaker 2: Kind of cool or doomsday, whatever the fuck is. I'm 89 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:23,480 I'm crossing the act though. 90 00:04:23,519 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 1: He's just a fighting machine. 91 00:04:24,879 --> 00:04:27,160 Speaker 3: That's You're right. The other one. 92 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 1: I think you might be forgetting my favorite of the DCU, 93 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:32,199 you McGregor's Black Mask and Birds of Prey. 94 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:38,399 Speaker 2: Okay, I was I was thinking like specific Superman villains. 95 00:04:38,079 --> 00:04:40,399 Speaker 1: Because that's all okay, but he just like I guess the. 96 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 2: Last sentence, I kind of forgot about that. So my bad, Charlie. 97 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:50,040 But yeah, definitely Black Mask, very underrated villain overall. Like 98 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:52,399 I don't know if just not enough people saw that movie, 99 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:55,720 but like so terrifying on that dinner scene when he 100 00:04:55,759 --> 00:04:57,560 gets that lady to like jump up on the table 101 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:01,600 and dance, like just terrifying, especially Ewan McGregor, and he's 102 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:03,879 like Obi Wan the most likable Jedi, and then you 103 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:05,800 have him as fucking Christopher Robbins. 104 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:18,160 Speaker 1: That's like, I'm gonna get that pooh drop. I don't 105 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:21,439 milk says regards to the Snipers. I feel for the 106 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:24,319 fans that will never get answers certain dangling plot lines 107 00:05:24,439 --> 00:05:27,399 those movies, the Flash believe we're not finishing stories as batterrating. 108 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:31,040 I agree it sucks, but like that's life, right, Like 109 00:05:31,439 --> 00:05:33,000 I hate to be that guy, and it's just because 110 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:34,920 it's on a bigger scale. But it's like, how many 111 00:05:34,959 --> 00:05:36,920 TV shows that we all love that got canceled. How 112 00:05:36,959 --> 00:05:39,000 many you know books like it happens to us all, 113 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:42,079 it's different. I think I do feel for them, but 114 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:44,720 at the same time they I'm not trying to sound 115 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:46,720 like an asshole, and many of them know this, that 116 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:49,800 they've said this themselves. They should be very lucky they 117 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:52,439 got the Snyer cut because that was a one I 118 00:05:52,439 --> 00:05:54,720 don't care, I think a one in a billion shot. 119 00:05:54,759 --> 00:05:57,639 If COVID doesn't happen and HBO and w B doesn't 120 00:05:57,639 --> 00:06:00,120 need content, there's a chance that thinks still sinna a 121 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:03,319 shelf sucking fucking somewhere and always see Just League is 122 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:06,480 the yeah, I know, always Justice League is the Henry 123 00:06:06,519 --> 00:06:10,480 Cavill like mustache and Ben Affleck being like, oh I'm 124 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:13,759 bleeding some places, like all that terrible shit that were 125 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:17,120 Like remember when Martha Ken goes to Amy Adams after 126 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:19,959 she's lost Superman and she's like, yeah, and Clark always 127 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,879 said you were thirsty, and then Amy's like, oh, like 128 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:26,800 for the story for the news, Like they aught be 129 00:06:27,079 --> 00:06:29,920 so lucky that that happen. They're like, the Donner cut 130 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:33,000 for Superman two took decades again, so that's why I 131 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:34,399 do feel from them. At the same time, they got 132 00:06:34,399 --> 00:06:36,759 a massive win. They got to finish like what they 133 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:38,800 want the most now some of them, yeah, got a 134 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:41,839 little greedy because now they want it restored. They want 135 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:44,120 a man still too, they want the batflick. But it's 136 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:47,399 like that's gone, it's over. Sorry, the world has moved on. 137 00:06:47,519 --> 00:06:49,199 But so I feel for them a bit. But they 138 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:51,360 got some they got some good stuff there, you know, 139 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:56,199 So all right, let's oh god, le's be sixty nine. 140 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:58,120 This is another question if you had to live in 141 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:00,920 the DCU or the dce based on what you've seen 142 00:07:00,959 --> 00:07:03,319 so far from which universe are you picking and where 143 00:07:03,319 --> 00:07:06,240 in the universe? I got the Metropolis met a Cascar 144 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:12,000 Right now, I'm definitely picking DCU because the DCEU felt 145 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:14,519 very dark and like when I got Batman going around 146 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:17,639 branding people, helping them get murdered, like and I think 147 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:21,959 I would be picking because up until Superman again moners spoilers. 148 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:24,279 They say at some point we loses a fight, and 149 00:07:24,319 --> 00:07:26,360 I say, that's the first time he's ever lost a fight. 150 00:07:26,839 --> 00:07:29,759 To me, that's like, well, pretty good odds, I think, right, like, 151 00:07:29,839 --> 00:07:31,839 that's at least a few years. It's just like bad 152 00:07:31,879 --> 00:07:34,800 guy shows up, he's kicked some mask. So right now, 153 00:07:35,279 --> 00:07:38,720 DCU had definitely that Metropolis it was, you know, and 154 00:07:38,759 --> 00:07:40,800 you know Daily Planet got a lot of good looking 155 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:44,079 people in there, so that always helps. Yeah, definitely definitely 156 00:07:44,079 --> 00:07:46,120 that one. I'm going nowhere near the DCU, I'm going 157 00:07:46,399 --> 00:07:50,000 fucking Jared Leto's Joker running around. No, I'm not saying 158 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:52,279 because he's dangerous, because I would be annoyed the whole time. 159 00:07:52,399 --> 00:07:57,199 Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm right there with you on the DCU. 160 00:07:58,639 --> 00:08:00,600 Du just sounds like a terrible a place to be 161 00:08:00,639 --> 00:08:04,279 stuck in. And then you get that like black Mass 162 00:08:04,319 --> 00:08:08,000 like demon sequence where it's like, is that where where. 163 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 1: I think one first keeps streaming about where Superman is 164 00:08:13,279 --> 00:08:14,639 the like god ruler. 165 00:08:14,839 --> 00:08:20,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, don't want that. So DCU definitely not Gotham. 166 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:23,319 That just sounds like like across the board. That's just 167 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:26,160 never a good place to be living is in Gotham. 168 00:08:26,639 --> 00:08:28,879 I would hope rent's very cheap there because it just 169 00:08:28,879 --> 00:08:32,639 seems likest. And you made a great point of just 170 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:36,000 like the good percentage success rate for Superman kicking ass. 171 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,480 And then we also have just like a wild bender 172 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:42,399 of a Supergirl running around in this universe, which is like, hey, 173 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:43,960 you know, I could probably fix. 174 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 1: Her wants to be there. 175 00:08:46,039 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly in this in. 176 00:08:49,759 --> 00:08:52,039 Speaker 2: This headspace of course, you know, I'm I'm I'm a 177 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:56,000 single man in this universe, so maybe I'll shoot up. 178 00:08:56,759 --> 00:09:00,840 Yeah exactly, am. I'm trying to get over my my loss. 179 00:09:00,919 --> 00:09:03,000 So I'm in some bar and then you know this, 180 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,320 this chick comes in kicking ass with a leather jacket 181 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:06,039 and a dog, and. 182 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:08,559 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's probably That's probably what I would pick. 183 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 2: Not Madagascar like he threw out there. I do appreciate 184 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:14,519 the examples that he listed, but he. 185 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 1: Showed one picture of like the someone took him the 186 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:19,080 theater and he's like, oh fabulous, and then he hit 187 00:09:19,159 --> 00:09:21,600 us like eight other pictures like okay, calm down, I. 188 00:09:21,519 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 3: Know now, yeah, what do you do me while you're 189 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:28,080 doing stuff right now? 190 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:31,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, But like Rachel boshans Lois, you got Wellmer said 191 00:09:31,399 --> 00:09:32,279 as hawk Girl, you. 192 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 3: Know there's a lot of dr sweat Man. 193 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:40,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, Jimmy Olson, you got him run around apparently in that. 194 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 2: Movie that's like the that's like peak male like physique. 195 00:09:44,399 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 3: I guess universe. I like my odds. I like my odds. 196 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:48,279 I think I would do well. 197 00:09:48,759 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 1: Super Mike says I'd STILLIV and Canon DCU. No one 198 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:54,200 ever texts Canon Superman. I don't know. Can I wonder 199 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:54,519 if they did. 200 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 2: It was wiped out by Superman when he first came here. 201 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:00,879 That's where he made his sanctum or Fortress of Solitude. 202 00:10:00,919 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 3: I always call it Sanctum of Sanctorum for some reason. 203 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:06,519 Speaker 1: Poor doctor Strange, Milk Toustes, George Reaves Adventures Superman University 204 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:07,879 is pretty good place to hang out. Yeah, that's a 205 00:10:07,879 --> 00:10:11,080 black and white aesthetic and everything. You know. Let's see, 206 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,240 you can have Superman lose a couple of fights, but 207 00:10:13,279 --> 00:10:15,360 don't have him die for no reason. Well, but I hope, 208 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:18,960 I hope he didn't die for no reason. Second hard, 209 00:10:20,519 --> 00:10:23,559 we had the calitacks for Justice League, Like Superman had 210 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:26,440 a heart attack, and now that radiation that was given 211 00:10:26,639 --> 00:10:28,960 his solar radiation that was giving him his powers. 212 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, super cancer is actually what he got, which. 213 00:10:31,279 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: Is kind of crazy because I say that, But like 214 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:35,480 we lived in the universe where we got episode nine 215 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:37,399 and then it was just like Emperor Palty and has 216 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:40,080 returned with no explanation. Just so you know, movies can 217 00:10:40,159 --> 00:10:43,559 do it. They get desperate enough. So all right, speaking 218 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,720 of DCU, we're still there right now. So DCU, we 219 00:10:46,759 --> 00:10:48,639 had an article come out kind of talking about the 220 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:50,679 past and the present of dc So I'm just gonna 221 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:52,639 hot fire shoot these out because I'll sup erun a 222 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:55,440 little longer here. But so this report had uh DC's 223 00:10:55,519 --> 00:10:57,840 new plan or just playing with the Justice League is 224 00:10:57,879 --> 00:10:59,559 what they want to do is they want to re establish, 225 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:01,159 which I and if we're talking about the box office, 226 00:11:01,159 --> 00:11:03,840 give them the chance. They want to re establish. And 227 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:05,559 one other point, we don't know who is in the 228 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:08,279 Justice League, but they want to re establish those classic 229 00:11:08,399 --> 00:11:11,080 characters on the mown kind of prop them up before 230 00:11:11,159 --> 00:11:13,120 they get to Justice League. So maybe not a rush 231 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:15,519 to Justice League. They kind of want to, you know, 232 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:19,399 maybe not make you think of Ezra Miller as the 233 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:22,080 last Flash, you know, maybe get like a nice brighter 234 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:25,360 Batman out there versus Passer and even Batflick, right, So 235 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:29,159 that's something at multiple times, not multiple times, but in 236 00:11:29,279 --> 00:11:32,559 different times in the world. The Rock was one of 237 00:11:32,639 --> 00:11:35,519 Dave's Aslov's picks to run DYC, but then Black Adam 238 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:38,000 did not do well, so that didn't happen. And then 239 00:11:38,039 --> 00:11:42,200 apparently at some point they did make an approach to 240 00:11:42,279 --> 00:11:44,399 Kevin five to try and poach him over, but that 241 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:47,440 didn't happen. And then we did learn of some different 242 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:49,799 spinoffs that were canceled without the years. One with spinoff 243 00:11:49,919 --> 00:11:52,360 was going to be a Robin movie set in the 244 00:11:52,399 --> 00:11:55,840 Nolan universe. We don't know if that was like Joseph 245 00:11:55,879 --> 00:11:59,320 or Levitt, yeah, or just a Robin. And then the 246 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:01,039 end of then when we talk talked about this years ago, 247 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:03,519 but it's been not official because I say this, but 248 00:12:04,039 --> 00:12:08,000 today she coats Superman, which was gonna be about black Superman. Uh, 249 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:09,879 this was the quote from the art call was canceled 250 00:12:09,879 --> 00:12:13,559 because David Zaslow found it two woke, so they got 251 00:12:13,639 --> 00:12:16,480 rid of that. So yeah, I love Yeah. So I 252 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:18,320 hit you a lot here at the Just League plan 253 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:20,879 the Rock Foggy also, so you need to remind me no, 254 00:12:20,919 --> 00:12:22,279 but yeah, what do you think about this? And we're 255 00:12:22,279 --> 00:12:24,120 gonna talk about more from the Wall Street Journal stuff, 256 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:25,879 but this was a bunch of stuff just kind of 257 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:28,440 sifting through all the shitt in there, you know. 258 00:12:28,639 --> 00:12:30,679 Speaker 3: So, oh there's some ship in there for sure. 259 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:36,159 Speaker 2: I mean, the the idea of the Rock Just leading 260 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:39,440 DC is like I don't want to see what that 261 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:41,679 would have been, but like I'm also so curious of 262 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:44,000 like what the first five projects would have been. 263 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:46,639 Speaker 1: Under the rock Justice Suore as a rock is covered 264 00:12:46,639 --> 00:12:50,120 in chills already, Well, you don't want that. 265 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:52,639 Speaker 3: Every movie, like like before is he just gonna come out? 266 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:55,720 And he's like are you read? Yeah? Yeah, all right now, 267 00:12:55,759 --> 00:12:57,679 everybody enjoy your zone unless. 268 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:00,039 Speaker 1: You didn't want this guy running. You can feel the mana. 269 00:13:01,879 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 3: Like, of course I do, because I'm just a crazy man. 270 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:06,679 Speaker 1: You wanted this psychle. 271 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 3: Just so obviously come on now, that would be so hilarious. 272 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,519 Speaker 2: It would have been unpacked that but like for a 273 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:18,879 true uh, I don't consider myself a purist, but for 274 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,639 lack of a better term, as a purist of the 275 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:25,960 superhero genre, I definitely don't want that because I didn't 276 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:29,600 think Black Adam was a very good film, and yeah 277 00:13:29,639 --> 00:13:32,039 he was obviously he had all of his fingers in 278 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:34,159 all of the holes of that of that project. 279 00:13:34,279 --> 00:13:36,759 Speaker 1: And to get Henry back, remember there was that whole thing, 280 00:13:36,799 --> 00:13:38,679 you know, which I respect, you know, I think I 281 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:39,799 think that was the right move. 282 00:13:39,919 --> 00:13:43,879 Speaker 2: And like no one showed up and like not even memeing, 283 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:47,759 like I understand why they maybe thought of like him 284 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:50,919 in that lead role, because like he's he's good at marketing, 285 00:13:51,039 --> 00:13:53,240 like like he's good at promoting, and he's good at 286 00:13:53,279 --> 00:13:54,559 just getting people's interest. 287 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:56,159 Speaker 1: Why do you change the background, you get the gimmick 288 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:58,320 background for the whole check out the gimmick. 289 00:13:58,320 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 3: I didn't realize. 290 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 2: But yeah, like like he's good at selling projects, Like 291 00:14:03,039 --> 00:14:06,919 he's been a part of some very big box office films, right, 292 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:10,919 and like, yes, I think it's it's not quite to 293 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:11,480 the level. 294 00:14:11,759 --> 00:14:13,679 Speaker 3: Well, it's definitely not quite the level that it once was. 295 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 2: But like there was a time when like the Rockers 296 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:17,799 pop off in all these films, and some of them 297 00:14:17,799 --> 00:14:20,159 were absolute hot garbage, but like everybody knew of the 298 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:22,360 rock and it's just like, oh yeah, like the rock 299 00:14:22,399 --> 00:14:24,200 in this movie, Like you know what, you're getting so. 300 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:27,759 Speaker 3: Dumb something. 301 00:14:28,039 --> 00:14:30,519 Speaker 1: Guess it would have been a joke. Like again, I 302 00:14:30,679 --> 00:14:32,600 called the Rock cycle. That's a joke. I think he's 303 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:35,759 a very smart guy. I mean, we're that final boss character. 304 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:39,960 He's just out there. But I don't think it was 305 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:42,320 out of the realm of possibility. If you're looking DC 306 00:14:42,559 --> 00:14:44,799 at that point when they're putting out Shazam and like 307 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:47,480 all that stuff, like it was, they're really having a 308 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:50,919 tough time. I can see the vision of I wouldn't 309 00:14:50,919 --> 00:14:52,240 have went that route, but I can see the vision 310 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:55,679 of people. You're just saying on a money perspective, Rock's 311 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:58,000 a go to guy, and even myself, I thought Black 312 00:14:58,039 --> 00:15:00,360 Adam was gonna do better than it was. Doesn't matter 313 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:02,200 about the call they I still thought people would come out. 314 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:04,600 It's like Rock doing his for superhero role. It's been 315 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:06,960 talking about for years and people really didn't care. I 316 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:08,559 think that's because the Rock had been a lot of 317 00:15:08,639 --> 00:15:11,200 like mess stuff. People have kind of sniffed it out 318 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:14,039 with the Rock of like Jungle Cruise and even like 319 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:17,159 the fucking Red one last year. Like I think there's 320 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:23,039 what was rampage. Yeah, I don't think. 321 00:15:23,039 --> 00:15:25,879 Speaker 3: I think we did. At least someone did. 322 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, Tail did for sure. So but I think that's 323 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:30,399 the problem that at that point people had kind of 324 00:15:30,399 --> 00:15:32,480 figured out, you know, no pun tent, but the gimmick 325 00:15:32,519 --> 00:15:35,159 of the Rock of Okay or I can only get 326 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:36,960 you so far, you know. 327 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 3: The MANA then we're not feeling them on anymore. 328 00:15:39,919 --> 00:15:43,159 Speaker 1: You feeling Yeah, the Superman's new Healing film is Taramana. 329 00:15:43,279 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, great, you mentioned the Nolan Robin thing, so sorry, 330 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:52,480 is this rumors or something or no. 331 00:15:52,159 --> 00:15:54,559 Speaker 1: No, this was this was a canceled project, so I 332 00:15:54,559 --> 00:15:57,320 guess it was something they're pitching him and eventual Nolan's like, na, 333 00:15:57,399 --> 00:15:59,399 we're not doing that. And again it wasn't said if 334 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:02,720 it was like a Robin to Batman or if it 335 00:16:02,759 --> 00:16:04,840 was just Robin the sense of remember that, Joe scorn 336 00:16:04,879 --> 00:16:07,960 Lett was like, that's a nice name, Robin. Don't get wrong, 337 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:10,039 I've pitched that many times. I would have. I would 338 00:16:10,039 --> 00:16:12,519 have been there day one to watch Joe worn Levitt 339 00:16:12,519 --> 00:16:13,000 as Batman. 340 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:15,639 Speaker 3: You know, I'm there day one for any Nolan project. 341 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:18,879 Speaker 1: Well, he would have been directed him too, he would 342 00:16:18,919 --> 00:16:21,720 have been He wouldn't have been directing Robin though that 343 00:16:21,759 --> 00:16:22,039 he was. 344 00:16:22,039 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 3: Just in his universe. 345 00:16:23,399 --> 00:16:26,759 Speaker 2: Yes, okay about that. I think you need to have 346 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:29,759 Nolan in there because it is his, it's his brain child. 347 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, and don't forget. 348 00:16:31,639 --> 00:16:32,519 Speaker 3: And it would have been. 349 00:16:32,399 --> 00:16:34,399 Speaker 2: Like a big timing thing for me. Also, like if 350 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:36,200 it was hot off the press of Dark Knight rises 351 00:16:36,279 --> 00:16:38,159 and it's like this is an announcement, It's like fuck, yeah, 352 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:40,759 let's go, but just going back to that. Yeah, a 353 00:16:40,799 --> 00:16:43,200 little bit less interested. You're changing some lights on me. 354 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:46,559 What's your favorite out of your color ranges? I usually 355 00:16:46,559 --> 00:16:48,960 have like I like this one for lighting purposes. Plus 356 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:50,240 I get a little bit of a blue in there. 357 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:52,639 Speaker 1: But yeah, the greater red is I was, I was 358 00:16:52,679 --> 00:16:54,480 rocking red, but this does not look like blue anymore 359 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:55,320 because it's so dark. 360 00:16:55,399 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 2: So the blue was creeping me out too, because like 361 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:01,879 the mask, like the green Goblin mask, just the on oh, 362 00:17:01,879 --> 00:17:04,000 it just made it look like like a demon next year, 363 00:17:04,039 --> 00:17:05,480 especially the glow off the eyes. 364 00:17:05,559 --> 00:17:06,759 Speaker 3: It's a fantastic mask. 365 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:08,880 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and this, so I was gonna say, you 366 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:11,359 gotta remember this is the time where they were they 367 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:13,920 went to Nolan to direct Man of Steel first, I 368 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:15,319 don't think it was called Man Steel then, but they 369 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:17,599 wanted to do Superman and he linked them on with 370 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:20,880 Zach so same thing. They were in that process of all, 371 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:22,519 you know, let's do a robin things. Yeah, I don't 372 00:17:22,599 --> 00:17:24,319 want to do that, Oh do Supman? Like I think 373 00:17:24,319 --> 00:17:26,960 he was just done with that stuff, right, so he 374 00:17:27,039 --> 00:17:28,240 I think he would have got the Keys of the 375 00:17:28,319 --> 00:17:30,640 Kingdom if he wanted, like James Gump, but I didn't, 376 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:33,880 So yeah, I'm glad it's the same way if like 377 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:36,000 I get it. People are like, oh man, because James 378 00:17:36,039 --> 00:17:38,000 Gunn said, I don't know if he's at the premiere 379 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:39,359 or something like that. But Jameson was like, oh, I've 380 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:41,319 been talking Ryan Couger lately, and like, I get it. 381 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:44,000 I understand. I see all like, could you imagine Ryank 382 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,359 Coruger as Batman? Yeah? I could, But I really want 383 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:48,440 to do Black Panther three and then go on and 384 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:51,559 just start the Nolan thing. Do we saw with Sinners. 385 00:17:51,559 --> 00:17:53,920 This guy's a lot of good original ideas, I think, 386 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:56,720 you know, and I've loved everything this guy's done to 387 00:17:56,799 --> 00:18:00,759 varying degrees, so I don't really want that to happen 388 00:18:00,839 --> 00:18:01,319 for him. 389 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 3: So there's one more thing I think I missed there. 390 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 1: There's the Justice League thing and the Superman being canceled thing. 391 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:14,880 Speaker 3: Just Superman canceled spinoffs. 392 00:18:14,319 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 1: Well remember because it was canceled two woke, you know, 393 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:20,440 or Justice League being you know, refurbished till we get 394 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:21,000 that movie. 395 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:24,319 Speaker 3: Crazy statement from the head. 396 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:26,519 Speaker 1: Of alleged alleged statement. 397 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:30,920 Speaker 2: Nonetheless crazy, Nonetheless, I believe that it's something that he 398 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:31,599 could have said. 399 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:36,559 Speaker 3: But and then oh god, remind me Justice League. 400 00:18:36,759 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 1: What was their plan is to kind of like refurbish, 401 00:18:40,279 --> 00:18:42,960 like kind of get them back up to pristine order 402 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:44,720 before doing it. Justly, it sounds like they don't want 403 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:46,279 to rush into that Here's Justice. They kind of want 404 00:18:46,319 --> 00:18:48,039 to be like, hey, I don't know if every film 405 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:50,000 is gonna every members can get a solo film, but 406 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:51,440 I think kind of like the Flash, they're going to 407 00:18:51,519 --> 00:18:53,960 want to get a new code of Pain and really 408 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:55,920 try to re establish them. 409 00:18:56,519 --> 00:18:59,160 Speaker 2: That's like if I'm going like like parachuting and they're like, hey, 410 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:00,759 we're going to make sure that you're paratute doesn't go 411 00:19:00,799 --> 00:19:03,079 off this time, and I'm like, that's. 412 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 3: Great to hear. 413 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:07,680 Speaker 2: I don't think you necessarily have to tell me, but 414 00:19:08,079 --> 00:19:10,880 I think that should be expected. So yes, I'm thumbs up. 415 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:13,000 I'm glad with that statement. That's what that statement reminds 416 00:19:13,039 --> 00:19:16,240 me of. So yeah, yeah, good plan, good plan DC. 417 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:19,160 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. And I'm not in the way like I 418 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:21,640 go back and forth. I still you know, I still 419 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:23,920 like the way that Marvel did. Dude, have introduced your 420 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:25,640 heroes then the big team up, but even then they 421 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:28,039 had the four and then they had Hawk Eye and 422 00:19:28,079 --> 00:19:30,000 Black Wadow who were not on the team, right, they 423 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:31,519 didn't get a soul film, I mean, and they were 424 00:19:31,519 --> 00:19:33,720 on the team. So I'm I'm down with that. 425 00:19:33,799 --> 00:19:35,279 Speaker 3: Owen, what's the uh? 426 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:37,559 Speaker 2: Do you have more of a finger on the pulse 427 00:19:37,599 --> 00:19:39,039 than I do with this sort of things? But like, 428 00:19:39,039 --> 00:19:42,640 what's the general audience's feel with hawk Girl and what 429 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:44,440 they did with uh? 430 00:19:44,519 --> 00:19:46,640 Speaker 1: I think everyone's the same as that that just not enough, 431 00:19:46,839 --> 00:19:49,000 not enough, And I think especially coming off the Last 432 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:51,599 of Us, everyone, as Bilmore said, kind of stole that season. 433 00:19:51,599 --> 00:19:53,279 So I think people were expecting more, but. 434 00:19:53,319 --> 00:19:54,599 Speaker 2: I think it was just kind of like how the 435 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:57,680 character works kind of threw me off. And some people 436 00:19:57,680 --> 00:19:59,400 that I've been talking about, they're like, what the fuck 437 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:00,440 was going on with hawk Girl? 438 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:04,599 Speaker 1: Without saying too much, I didn't see Black Adam Hawkman, you. 439 00:20:04,559 --> 00:20:07,759 Speaker 3: Know, but Hawkman didn't do that ship that she was 440 00:20:07,799 --> 00:20:08,720 doing in this time. 441 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:12,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well maybe he could have. Maybe they maybe 442 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:12,680 it would have been a. 443 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 3: Beer Black Adam too, It would have been a bigger 444 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:15,519 focus rock. 445 00:20:15,799 --> 00:20:18,839 Speaker 1: He's gonna scream like no other. I'm gonna make him 446 00:20:18,839 --> 00:20:26,200 scream scream Ona's Yeah, He's gonna gonna pumpza. He's gonna 447 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:29,240 be hyped, but uh, yeah, it's gonna be interesting and 448 00:20:29,319 --> 00:20:31,400 then we'll see what happens. I agree with most people. 449 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:33,240 I think the justly animated series of the lineup be 450 00:20:33,279 --> 00:20:35,000 gonna go. So maybe we'll get hawk Girl in there. 451 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,640 But I think it's a good idea to re establish 452 00:20:37,759 --> 00:20:39,359 a lot of them. I think office you need any 453 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:43,519 wonder woman who should be our Adria a Drona, you 454 00:20:43,519 --> 00:20:47,799 should get her from and or Batman who knows that, Well, 455 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,279 yeah that's Nick or Bix. Yeah she's to me, it's 456 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:54,720 like the clear clear Like to me, I think it's 457 00:20:54,759 --> 00:20:58,200 gonna happen. What over Terry Swift, Yeah, I think it's 458 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:01,720 a good call. But and then yeah, the the super 459 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:04,359 thing does surprise me. You run around, you see who 460 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,480 Dai das as friends with. And I also think we're 461 00:21:07,519 --> 00:21:10,440 in a time where, unfortunately there's a lot of people 462 00:21:10,599 --> 00:21:16,359 that if there's some we we the podcast started and 463 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:18,880 there was not Red Eye, thumbnails as, not our Pockets, 464 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:22,440 but as it went on, we saw there's few. 465 00:21:23,079 --> 00:21:23,559 Speaker 3: For a while. 466 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 1: Yes, so I could see that him even if he 467 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:30,680 was which I'm not giving him a benefit of doubt, 468 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:32,519 I bet he just went that's well garbage to get 469 00:21:32,559 --> 00:21:34,680 it out of there. I could see him being like, 470 00:21:34,759 --> 00:21:36,640 some people might feel this is too woke, and they're 471 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:41,640 not going to it's gonna be divisive. Let's not do that. 472 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:44,839 I think the same way as at some point people 473 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:46,720 have been like, you can't put super Girl in a skirt. 474 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,000 But I think they're kind of like even like there's 475 00:21:49,039 --> 00:21:52,279 been a discussion about like Cat Grant in Superman about 476 00:21:52,279 --> 00:21:54,799 like her on that massive cleavage, and like, oh, like 477 00:21:55,559 --> 00:21:57,680 maybe even five years ago, that wouldn't been happening right, 478 00:21:57,759 --> 00:21:59,559 Like it would have been like sexualized. And I think 479 00:21:59,559 --> 00:22:02,039 there is bounce you know, whatever you want to say 480 00:22:02,079 --> 00:22:03,839 without that character. I don't really care because that character 481 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:05,519 did nothing in that movie, but I think there is 482 00:22:05,559 --> 00:22:09,119 a bounce of yeah, being too sexual and we don't 483 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:11,960 want to be like WWF in the fucking nineties where 484 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,680 women's are wrestling in bron pantemages, right, but then you 485 00:22:14,799 --> 00:22:17,880 also don't want to be here's w reference as well, 486 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,680 right to censor where let's cover everybody up, but let's 487 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,119 not do this. So I think we've seen it go 488 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:26,359 too far of people that are different races or genders 489 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:30,839 or even just you know, sexual rotations get mishandled and 490 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,000 made to be a joke or not used right. But 491 00:22:33,039 --> 00:22:35,480 then we've seen the other route where it's for the 492 00:22:35,599 --> 00:22:37,640 sake of doing it, s yous do it, not because 493 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,440 they really meant to, just because oh, we don't have 494 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,119 a black person or we don't have his panic. Yeah, 495 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,559 exactly right, which obviosly is not a perfect world. That's 496 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,400 very hard to do. So I think that's where I 497 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,240 can see, Yeah, but I guarantee you he just went on, now, 498 00:22:50,319 --> 00:22:52,839 let's not get a black Superman. And at the same time, 499 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:58,000 I think it's tough because I want James Gunn say, oh, 500 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,160 we're doing else worlds. I want that to happen. I 501 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,519 think the Batman is a special situation because it's all 502 00:23:03,519 --> 00:23:07,920 already happening. I would imagine that the first else world 503 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:09,960 that James Gunn green lights that's not anything to do 504 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:13,759 with Matt Reeves will not be another Superman, another Supergirl. 505 00:23:13,799 --> 00:23:15,440 I think it would be a character that like, hey, 506 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,279 really gonna have nothing to do with the DCU. It's still, 507 00:23:18,319 --> 00:23:21,599 you know, a DC movie, but let's do something different, right, 508 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:25,400 or something really wild where it's Superman. You've probably heard 509 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,920 a storyline line Superman Red Sun, where instead of landing 510 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:29,359 in Kansas, he lands in Russia. 511 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:29,839 Speaker 3: Russia. 512 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's where I like, you do something very wild, 513 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,440 and I just don't think, you know, I like the 514 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,480 Batman or I love the Batman. I want to keep going. 515 00:23:37,519 --> 00:23:39,920 But I if the Batman didn't exist, I would tell 516 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:41,720 James gun Yeah, don't do else World, at least for 517 00:23:41,799 --> 00:23:44,480 a couple of years. Established this DCU first. But you know, 518 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:50,079 so we'll see at actually trusting James Gunn right now. Maybe, 519 00:23:50,079 --> 00:23:52,680 but I'm not gonna trust sas off like this is 520 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:56,799 like this fucking guy like sorry, and this doesn't don't 521 00:23:56,799 --> 00:24:00,839 trust anyone in Hollywood. The second that's say, let's say 522 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,160 Superman next week is a fucking ninety percent drop and 523 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,119 it's the biggest second wee can drop of all time. 524 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,519 And Supergirl bombs and clay Face bombs. The only thing 525 00:24:08,559 --> 00:24:10,359 he's gonna be trusting is, hey, James, you know where 526 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,839 the front door is, Like he's not gonna be trust 527 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:14,680 like that's I mean, like, I'm not gonna trust any 528 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,599 of these big billions, the guys that like, oh, you. 529 00:24:17,559 --> 00:24:18,920 Speaker 3: Know, I don't trust billionaires. 530 00:24:19,039 --> 00:24:21,319 Speaker 1: I know our company is really hurting for money, but 531 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,759 I need another fifteen percent bonus this year. Like no, no, no, 532 00:24:24,799 --> 00:24:28,039 that's that's not a so don't you know, York. It's 533 00:24:28,039 --> 00:24:29,960 good to have that faith. I hope so, but I 534 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,799 think it's a lot of you know, words, sound and whatnot. 535 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:36,160 So milk Toast says, any rumors has to win. Wonder 536 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,279 Woman gets rehabilitated on silver screen. You like this quote? 537 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,839 Uh so? James Gunn today said that the Batman and 538 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:47,319 Wonder Woman films will go into production immediately when the 539 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:48,400 script is good. 540 00:24:48,839 --> 00:24:50,279 Speaker 3: So when is that love it? 541 00:24:50,599 --> 00:24:55,400 Speaker 1: Who knows? It's like my comment, Yeah, who knows who? 542 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,279 And what is that defining? As good as James Gunn? 543 00:24:58,319 --> 00:25:00,400 You know for some And that's it's interesting. 544 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:01,839 Speaker 3: Is that interesting an interview or something? 545 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:03,680 Speaker 1: Or he just he was an interviewed. Yeah, he's always 546 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:05,839 posted on his social media. Yeah, they're going to know 547 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:07,680 that he was an interview and they got asked. But 548 00:25:08,079 --> 00:25:10,960 which is funny because I feel like a lot of people, 549 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:16,599 I don't even cold myself, like I don't know, I 550 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,240 don't know if I want to say this. I just 551 00:25:18,319 --> 00:25:21,960 like I've said it before. It's just my always worry 552 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,119 is Matt Reeve's handing in the Batman two script and 553 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,279 change everything. I don't know about this, and I'm not 554 00:25:26,279 --> 00:25:30,400 saying Jameson shouldn't give notes. It's just like there's always 555 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,960 gonna be people that might like something that you don't write. 556 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:34,880 So I just hope that if something doesn't speak to him, 557 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:36,599 but if it speaks to others, I hope he like, 558 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,160 let's say, Peterson, I really love this. I hope he 559 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,319 is the where thought to go, Hey, we're gonna go 560 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,799 with this, right, you have to do that. So I'm 561 00:25:43,799 --> 00:25:46,839 not and that's what I mean. I'm I'm talking about 562 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:48,799 James Gunn like a fake version because I don't really 563 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:50,519 know James Gunn. I'm just saying, like, if this is 564 00:25:50,519 --> 00:25:53,480 the James Gunn, and for me, after I saw Superman, 565 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,880 I would not for my personal taste of your say, hey, 566 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:58,599 this is a guy that's gonna give the green light 567 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,359 if he thinks of Batman two scripts enough. I don't 568 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,480 know if I trust that, because I think Superman two 569 00:26:03,599 --> 00:26:05,799 is or Superman is in a whole different universe than 570 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,720 the Batman. The Batman is is tippy top comic book 571 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,160 stuff or Supermanch's like, yeah, a good time, So you know, 572 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,720 I know that sounds a bit harsher, and again James 573 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:16,720 going to Be is directed. I have all things films 574 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:20,319 ten ten love Peacemaker. I'm just saying on this the situation, 575 00:26:20,519 --> 00:26:25,440 so yes, I gotta see it again. I have not 576 00:26:25,559 --> 00:26:28,319 seen that in super in a long long time. So 577 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,759 is the second one you just said super the rain 578 00:26:30,759 --> 00:26:33,880 Wilson where he's being a superhero. It's like really realistic. 579 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, there you go see that before? 580 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:42,279 Speaker 1: No Wilson, Yes, and Elliott Page. 581 00:26:43,079 --> 00:26:46,279 Speaker 2: Oh wow, No, the only Ring Wilson super movie I 582 00:26:46,519 --> 00:26:48,880 can think of as my super ex girlfriend starting. Oh 583 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:54,119 he isn't that he's like buddy of Anna Faris mc wilson. 584 00:26:53,799 --> 00:26:55,079 Speaker 3: Luke Wilson, that's his name. 585 00:26:55,279 --> 00:26:56,039 Speaker 1: I still got it. 586 00:26:56,279 --> 00:26:58,119 Speaker 3: I liked it. I like that movie. I can't quite 587 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,920 remember it all all the way, but it's probably been a. 588 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:02,640 Speaker 1: While I have not I don't think i've seen it 589 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,400 in full. So there you go. H I think you're 590 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,000 giving ass off too much benefit doubt. I think I was. 591 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,200 I was saying this could be all version. But if 592 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,519 you're say, hey, gun your head dress, what anything happened? 593 00:27:15,519 --> 00:27:17,839 I think you have Superman and then threw it away 594 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,480 like that's what I think you know? So uh details us. 595 00:27:21,519 --> 00:27:23,359 I know this doesn't mean anything for the box office. 596 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:26,400 But those Superman steel books sold out quick. That's tough 597 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,319 because they only make a few of them, right detall, Like, 598 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,240 I don't think they're a huge amount. They look good, 599 00:27:30,279 --> 00:27:33,079 don't get me wrong. Have you seen the steel books? 600 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:36,039 Speaker 3: No? But I will right now. 601 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:39,440 Speaker 2: Sorry, your coun's getting worried. 602 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,279 Speaker 1: He's like, we're still got two more topics. It's ten. 603 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,079 You know I got edit this. No, I'm joking, I 604 00:27:43,079 --> 00:27:46,599 got that. Have you there's that one? 605 00:27:46,599 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 2: Then? 606 00:27:46,839 --> 00:27:48,839 Speaker 1: Did you see the Drastic World steel book? Thats go 607 00:27:48,839 --> 00:27:50,599 around our discord which down below him and joined the 608 00:27:50,599 --> 00:27:52,799 discord if you like, Hey, if people I see the 609 00:27:52,839 --> 00:27:54,400 new Revie in the chat. If you like talking with 610 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,640 us and talking with the people in here, join a discord. 611 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,480 We're always talking about this ship having a good time. 612 00:27:58,799 --> 00:28:00,839 Uh but did you see the drafts World's Steel book? 613 00:28:00,839 --> 00:28:03,240 That was Flora? I discore that Tayor was pissed about. 614 00:28:04,559 --> 00:28:06,480 Do you see it? Screen share? When you get it 615 00:28:06,519 --> 00:28:11,519 screen share, it's it's good. Let's see. Spa says they 616 00:28:11,559 --> 00:28:14,359 just need to do they just need to actually do 617 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,240 the black label thing. I feel like there's rumor every 618 00:28:16,279 --> 00:28:18,039 year saying they're going to be doing it as a 619 00:28:18,039 --> 00:28:20,319 separate brand everything that it never happens. I agree with you, 620 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,599 s pups, and for me it needs to be not 621 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,079 just well the Batman two is part of the Black 622 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,000 Live was like, no, you were gonna do that regardless. 623 00:28:27,039 --> 00:28:29,799 I agree with you. Jason has said it's gonna happen 624 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,039 or like an else World's label. But at the same point, 625 00:28:32,079 --> 00:28:34,960 I still think they do need to establish their stuff. 626 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,240 Maybe even twenty twenty seven would be a good year. 627 00:28:37,279 --> 00:28:40,119 When it's the Batman, do you make another else World's there? 628 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:41,599 So let's you got it? 629 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:41,839 Speaker 2: There? 630 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: It's her on the fucking clip, Like. 631 00:28:44,119 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 3: I don't even know, like which one is it? 632 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 1: Oh no, none of the bad ones are here. I 633 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:53,960 don't think like all dressing world. It's her like on 634 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:58,319 a cliff if anyone, let's see which what did you 635 00:28:58,319 --> 00:29:01,240 put in? Put rebirth? Put rebirth? Yeah, put in rebirth? 636 00:29:01,319 --> 00:29:05,440 Yeah this should be right here? Yeah? Oh that one 637 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:07,920 right there? Is that right there? Yeah? That's the one. 638 00:29:10,119 --> 00:29:12,319 She looks like she's cgied under the box. 639 00:29:16,519 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 3: It's Taylor. If you're a true Dinosaur fan, you have 640 00:29:19,519 --> 00:29:19,960 to buy this. 641 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,359 Speaker 1: He was so bit you said, these fucking people taking 642 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,599 my money or whatever. It is, so like, what's this? 643 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 2: It's just like images of like a really uninteresting scene 644 00:29:30,519 --> 00:29:31,279 from them the boat. 645 00:29:31,359 --> 00:29:33,519 Speaker 1: Well, no, that's the big sea. Remember that's that's the 646 00:29:33,559 --> 00:29:38,519 same they get chased. So oh, let's see here. Milk 647 00:29:38,599 --> 00:29:40,920 Toast says, your audiences aren't like comic fan boys. They 648 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:44,000 don't want an off brand versions of the character they 649 00:29:44,119 --> 00:29:46,200 they like. They don't want Batsman and they want Superman. 650 00:29:46,279 --> 00:29:48,720 And milk Toast that's why I want. It's not exact, 651 00:29:48,799 --> 00:29:50,440 but that's why I want the two Batman movies to 652 00:29:50,519 --> 00:29:55,599 really see. Okay, you know, can they work? But I 653 00:29:55,599 --> 00:29:59,240 I agree and disagree because I throw Joker. Now. I 654 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,839 know what you might say, Hey, Joker's always a psychopath. 655 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,000 I mean the first Joker movie was very different, right, 656 00:30:05,119 --> 00:30:09,319 That was a very character study, very independent feeling. Tip 657 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,160 movie also didn't work off for the second one. I 658 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,519 think that's a lot due with Peel didn't want sequel musical. 659 00:30:13,559 --> 00:30:15,920 But I feel like that was very different and that 660 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:17,640 was like an off brand sort of thing, right, So 661 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,319 I think it's case by case basis. What do you 662 00:30:19,359 --> 00:30:21,240 think or do you think people in general don't want 663 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,000 off brand characters or do you think it's case by 664 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:23,759 case where you're in that. 665 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,799 Speaker 2: No, I think he's I think he's dead on with 666 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,799 that statement. I think what makes those offshoot versions of 667 00:30:30,799 --> 00:30:33,200 the characters so enticing to me is like I've seen 668 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:34,000 this character before. 669 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 3: I know what he's doing. 670 00:30:35,119 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 2: You know, I agree, I yes, It's it's like me 671 00:30:37,319 --> 00:30:40,119 with Star Wars and like jedis are cool, I guess, 672 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,839 but like I want the fuck in just the rule 673 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,880 of two perspective because we never get that perspective and 674 00:30:46,119 --> 00:30:48,640 and and the old Republic stuff, Like I want to 675 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,839 see stuff that I haven't seen before. So I think he's, uh, 676 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:55,160 he's very accurate with that. And I mean, was that 677 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,640 one movie bray Burn, Like that was a good example. 678 00:30:57,759 --> 00:31:01,480 Oh yeah, really interesting concept. We didn't do well at all. 679 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, rxis Johnson has more successful career than the Rock 680 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:09,039 at DC at the moment. Well, yeah, of course. Like 681 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:10,839 at the same time. 682 00:31:10,839 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 3: Not surprised this guy's. 683 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 1: I'm just trying to I'm not like, here, here's the question, 684 00:31:21,519 --> 00:31:23,359 and here's a check an answer, current you can answer. 685 00:31:23,799 --> 00:31:25,799 I love the find with Black Adam made. If they 686 00:31:25,839 --> 00:31:28,240 put out a Peacemaker movie right now on a T 687 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,279 show peace Maker movie, do you think it would be 688 00:31:30,319 --> 00:31:31,279 a Black Adam movie. 689 00:31:32,559 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 2: Well, Black Adam had like a million, like a good 690 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:36,680 billion dollar budget, didn't it. 691 00:31:36,839 --> 00:31:40,359 Speaker 1: Well, not the same problem saying so the box office. 692 00:31:40,559 --> 00:31:44,079 Speaker 2: But if they put like a billion dollars some money 693 00:31:44,119 --> 00:31:47,000 into the film, I would hope it's better than someone 694 00:31:47,039 --> 00:31:48,319 that put a lot less money. 695 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 1: Black Adam had a budget of uh sixty that's some 696 00:31:53,559 --> 00:31:59,440 rock fuck right there somewhere somewhere in there. But let's 697 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,440 just round up in four hundred million. Do you think 698 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,279 if they put on a Peacemaker movie today, you'll make 699 00:32:04,319 --> 00:32:06,759 four a million? Because I think absolutely fucking not. So 700 00:32:06,839 --> 00:32:09,680 that's where Yark I disagree where it's tough on TV 701 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:11,599 because same thing if you're saying, oh, the Rock's on 702 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:15,440 HBO a black like an HBO Black Adam series that 703 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,319 could have done just as well as peace Maker. So 704 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:19,839 I think I love John Cena, don't get me wrong, 705 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,319 but I still think most any movie, I think if 706 00:32:23,319 --> 00:32:25,759 they remake The Matrix and you put Rock in John Cena, 707 00:32:25,759 --> 00:32:28,079 I think people go see the Rock. I'm not saying 708 00:32:28,119 --> 00:32:30,200 who's better, but I think the Rock still is more 709 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,240 pull than John Cena right now, the only way John 710 00:32:33,279 --> 00:32:36,960 Cena might oust him is in a pure Calmedy situation, 711 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:38,920 because I think that's what people want from John Cena 712 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,480 is to see I know Peacemaker is comedic, but that's 713 00:32:41,519 --> 00:32:44,759 also very like that cuts off a law of the audience. 714 00:32:44,759 --> 00:32:48,119 It's very you know, oh dick and fart jokes and whatnot. 715 00:32:48,119 --> 00:32:50,440 Even if you make a PG. Thirteen, I still have 716 00:32:50,519 --> 00:32:55,119 my money on Black Adam. Yeah, York says, no, you 717 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,799 know you disagree, I'll by you don't joking. Let's see, 718 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:03,480 Nico Belk, I'm not gonna around fire the flame, Nico Belk, 719 00:33:03,519 --> 00:33:05,680 I'm not gonna answer this fully because it's spoils to 720 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:07,799 the movie. I'm just gonna say one because it's the 721 00:33:07,839 --> 00:33:11,279 way they wrote it. And two, maybe Lex put something 722 00:33:11,319 --> 00:33:14,319 in the costume so two men couldn't see the X 723 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:18,519 right through. You know he thinks of everything details. 724 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 3: Is underpowered, right, that's true. 725 00:33:20,039 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, his X really only works when it's fully set out. 726 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,799 Some rain doesn't work at all. Jurassic World Rebirth, All Time, 727 00:33:25,839 --> 00:33:29,079 Bad Steel Book. I think we agree you there, Oh Man, 728 00:33:29,519 --> 00:33:32,680 milk Toe's hot Hot take the rocks starting a Sergeant Rock. 729 00:33:33,079 --> 00:33:38,240 Could you imagine James gun and the Yeah, I don't 730 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,440 it's a hot I don't think it's the worst because 731 00:33:42,559 --> 00:33:46,759 you know, got to know again and workout. So but no, 732 00:33:46,839 --> 00:33:50,119 Sergeant Rock's just a just a sergeant. He's just an 733 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,599 army general. That was that movie, remember they were gonna 734 00:33:52,599 --> 00:33:55,279 make but then they kind of canceled it. But then like, no, 735 00:33:55,319 --> 00:33:56,880 that's not cancel, it's just a hold for now. 736 00:33:58,079 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 3: No, I'm down there. 737 00:33:59,920 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 1: You Okay, let's take another ad break and then we'll 738 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:07,880 be right back. Okay, And you know, Kirker, I think 739 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:09,960 that last topic of the Rumfield TV shows, we're gonna 740 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,239 say that for another time because we've got a juice 741 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,079 going on here already. So big thank you everyone in 742 00:34:14,119 --> 00:34:17,280 the chat, jumping in everything. It was uh, it was 743 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,400 a fun night right now, just lots of random questions 744 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,400 also able tut Man, But big thank you to you 745 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:22,800 guys made this be a two hour show and we 746 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:23,840 didn't even get their whole topics.