Speaker 1: And we're back, so some questions. Yeah, I was talking
number one, thank you, and we're still talking about dc
and Supermans. If you got any more questions, hit us
up with there because we're still talking about some DCU stuff.
But let's see, Sir Charlie Rendell says, is Nicholas holds Lex, Sorry,
is Nicholas holds Lex the best Superman movie villain we've got? Also,
how would you compare him to the DCU villains for Superman?
For me, that's an easy yes. I can answer that
because that's in the rankings. Easy yes, because I don't
love Gene Hackman, don't like Eisenberg. The only one that
gives him a run for his money is Michael Shannon
as Zod. But I still give I like, I'm not
gonna say the motivations, but the motivitions and Odd are
supposed to be civil, right, It's like, hey, my planet died,
we're gonna bring it back. And he's very straightforward. Lex
is still also very straightforward that he hates Superman. I
think I just love the lengths of how much you
hate him, So I would give it to that, and
then for DCEU. So that's all the Snyder reverse stuff.
I'd probably I'm the number one. I'd have to take
a look at the whole roster.
Speaker 2: But he never he never faced Holy funk, what's his
name from Zack Snyder's universe? What was the main villain
of the Sneysenberg?
Speaker 1: Oh, dark Side, dark Side?
Speaker 3: We never got that, right, they just tease the shadows.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then it was good Steppenwolf. Yeah, yeah, he
was good.
Speaker 3: And then in BBS, what was the big bands.
Speaker 1: As Eisenberg and Doomsday Doomsday.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I'm not I'm not talking about Eenberg.
Speaker 2: Okay, No, if I'm talking about I'm talking about Gene
Hackman or.
Speaker 3: Or Nicholas Holt.
Speaker 2: Just to shoehorn my way into your answer, Gene Hackman
is nostalgia for me, Like just I I just love
that character as a kid. That was my first exposure
to the character of Lex Luthor. And now that I've
seen Nicholas Holt since to Brandon, God damn, I go check.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the shame review like that will always just have
a special place in my heart.
Speaker 1: Of course.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I you know, I was talking mister Nick at some
point in time, but yeah, here in the bag he
did a phenomenal performance, and I really really enjoyed it.
I think I I didn't love certain things that the
character was doing, but for performance wise and just as
you said, just getting that like pure hatred out of
like this man is like just a super billionaire, Like
he doesn't have to be going out of his way.
It's just funck over Superman, but like that is just
what he's chosen to do. Like fuck this man, Tato's.
Speaker 1: Doing pretty much like I'm Superman.
Speaker 3: Tattooed that day, No, yeah, I can't.
Speaker 1: Sorry things booked Atlanta for three months. Yeah, I can't
take tattoo.
Speaker 3: So Nicky would definitely be easily.
Speaker 1: Don't don't call him Nikki, don't call him. His name
is Nicholas Nicky home, Niki oh Super Michael Rosebaum is
still top ex luthor for me. I got to rewatch
small Sill. It's all on post Small. Yeah. I I
can't say you're wrong because I need to rewatch it.
I think that I don't think you're wrong because I
think he has I wish Holt at times had a
bit more, a little cooler, because there were a couple
of times when when he didn't get me wrong. I
think he's great. I don't think he's on the Mount Rushmore.
I've seen people making that argument of like coll mcville
in general, I don't think he's that high. But yeah,
I need to rewatch small Ville, get and see because
but I love Holt's approach rose Baum, like they start
as friend sim and Clark and there's some revelations. I
do like that, but I do like Alex. It's just fuck,
I hate this alien. I'm gonna do anything to get
rid of him, you know.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think he's definitely up there. But I
did really like the Snyder version of Steppenwolf, although we
didn't forgot there. I liked what was showing dark side,
but I'm not really going to throw that in there
because you didn't really face off as Superman. Michael Shannon
was odd is just phenomenal. I absolutely love that performance,
and like, I don't I don't even know if this
is a good answer because I don't remember too much
about the film it's been so long.
Speaker 3: But like I thought a Apocalypse was.
Speaker 2: Kind of cool or doomsday, whatever the fuck is. I'm
I'm crossing the act though.
Speaker 1: He's just a fighting machine.
Speaker 3: That's You're right. The other one.
Speaker 1: I think you might be forgetting my favorite of the DCU,
you McGregor's Black Mask and Birds of Prey.
Speaker 2: Okay, I was I was thinking like specific Superman villains.
Speaker 1: Because that's all okay, but he just like I guess the.
Speaker 2: Last sentence, I kind of forgot about that. So my bad, Charlie.
But yeah, definitely Black Mask, very underrated villain overall. Like
I don't know if just not enough people saw that movie,
but like so terrifying on that dinner scene when he
gets that lady to like jump up on the table
and dance, like just terrifying, especially Ewan McGregor, and he's
like Obi Wan the most likable Jedi, and then you
have him as fucking Christopher Robbins.
Speaker 1: That's like, I'm gonna get that pooh drop. I don't
milk says regards to the Snipers. I feel for the
fans that will never get answers certain dangling plot lines
those movies, the Flash believe we're not finishing stories as batterrating.
I agree it sucks, but like that's life, right, Like
I hate to be that guy, and it's just because
it's on a bigger scale. But it's like, how many
TV shows that we all love that got canceled. How
many you know books like it happens to us all,
it's different. I think I do feel for them, but
at the same time they I'm not trying to sound
like an asshole, and many of them know this, that
they've said this themselves. They should be very lucky they
got the Snyer cut because that was a one I
don't care, I think a one in a billion shot.
If COVID doesn't happen and HBO and w B doesn't
need content, there's a chance that thinks still sinna a
shelf sucking fucking somewhere and always see Just League is
the yeah, I know, always Justice League is the Henry
Cavill like mustache and Ben Affleck being like, oh I'm
bleeding some places, like all that terrible shit that were
Like remember when Martha Ken goes to Amy Adams after
she's lost Superman and she's like, yeah, and Clark always
said you were thirsty, and then Amy's like, oh, like
for the story for the news, Like they aught be
so lucky that that happen. They're like, the Donner cut
for Superman two took decades again, so that's why I
do feel from them. At the same time, they got
a massive win. They got to finish like what they
want the most now some of them, yeah, got a
little greedy because now they want it restored. They want
a man still too, they want the batflick. But it's
like that's gone, it's over. Sorry, the world has moved on.
But so I feel for them a bit. But they
got some they got some good stuff there, you know,
So all right, let's oh god, le's be sixty nine.
This is another question if you had to live in
the DCU or the dce based on what you've seen
so far from which universe are you picking and where
in the universe? I got the Metropolis met a Cascar
Right now, I'm definitely picking DCU because the DCEU felt
very dark and like when I got Batman going around
branding people, helping them get murdered, like and I think
I would be picking because up until Superman again moners spoilers.
They say at some point we loses a fight, and
I say, that's the first time he's ever lost a fight.
To me, that's like, well, pretty good odds, I think, right, like,
that's at least a few years. It's just like bad
guy shows up, he's kicked some mask. So right now,
DCU had definitely that Metropolis it was, you know, and
you know Daily Planet got a lot of good looking
people in there, so that always helps. Yeah, definitely definitely
that one. I'm going nowhere near the DCU, I'm going
fucking Jared Leto's Joker running around. No, I'm not saying
because he's dangerous, because I would be annoyed the whole time.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm right there with you on the DCU.
Du just sounds like a terrible a place to be
stuck in. And then you get that like black Mass
like demon sequence where it's like, is that where where.
Speaker 1: I think one first keeps streaming about where Superman is
the like god ruler.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, don't want that. So DCU definitely not Gotham.
That just sounds like like across the board. That's just
never a good place to be living is in Gotham.
I would hope rent's very cheap there because it just
seems likest. And you made a great point of just
like the good percentage success rate for Superman kicking ass.
And then we also have just like a wild bender
of a Supergirl running around in this universe, which is like, hey,
you know, I could probably fix.
Speaker 1: Her wants to be there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly in this in.
Speaker 2: This headspace of course, you know, I'm I'm I'm a
single man in this universe, so maybe I'll shoot up.
Yeah exactly, am. I'm trying to get over my my loss.
So I'm in some bar and then you know this,
this chick comes in kicking ass with a leather jacket
and a dog, and.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's probably That's probably what I would pick.
Speaker 2: Not Madagascar like he threw out there. I do appreciate
the examples that he listed, but he.
Speaker 1: Showed one picture of like the someone took him the
theater and he's like, oh fabulous, and then he hit
us like eight other pictures like okay, calm down, I.
Speaker 3: Know now, yeah, what do you do me while you're
doing stuff right now?
Speaker 1: Yeah, But like Rachel boshans Lois, you got Wellmer said
as hawk Girl, you.
Speaker 3: Know there's a lot of dr sweat Man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jimmy Olson, you got him run around apparently in that.
Speaker 2: Movie that's like the that's like peak male like physique.
Speaker 3: I guess universe. I like my odds. I like my odds.
I think I would do well.
Speaker 1: Super Mike says I'd STILLIV and Canon DCU. No one
ever texts Canon Superman. I don't know. Can I wonder
if they did.
Speaker 2: It was wiped out by Superman when he first came here.
That's where he made his sanctum or Fortress of Solitude.
Speaker 3: I always call it Sanctum of Sanctorum for some reason.
Speaker 1: Poor doctor Strange, Milk Toustes, George Reaves Adventures Superman University
is pretty good place to hang out. Yeah, that's a
black and white aesthetic and everything. You know. Let's see,
you can have Superman lose a couple of fights, but
don't have him die for no reason. Well, but I hope,
I hope he didn't die for no reason. Second hard,
we had the calitacks for Justice League, Like Superman had
a heart attack, and now that radiation that was given
his solar radiation that was giving him his powers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, super cancer is actually what he got, which.
Speaker 1: Is kind of crazy because I say that, But like
we lived in the universe where we got episode nine
and then it was just like Emperor Palty and has
returned with no explanation. Just so you know, movies can
do it. They get desperate enough. So all right, speaking
of DCU, we're still there right now. So DCU, we
had an article come out kind of talking about the
past and the present of dc So I'm just gonna
hot fire shoot these out because I'll sup erun a
little longer here. But so this report had uh DC's
new plan or just playing with the Justice League is
what they want to do is they want to re establish,
which I and if we're talking about the box office,
give them the chance. They want to re establish. And
one other point, we don't know who is in the
Justice League, but they want to re establish those classic
characters on the mown kind of prop them up before
they get to Justice League. So maybe not a rush
to Justice League. They kind of want to, you know,
maybe not make you think of Ezra Miller as the
last Flash, you know, maybe get like a nice brighter
Batman out there versus Passer and even Batflick, right, So
that's something at multiple times, not multiple times, but in
different times in the world. The Rock was one of
Dave's Aslov's picks to run DYC, but then Black Adam
did not do well, so that didn't happen. And then
apparently at some point they did make an approach to
Kevin five to try and poach him over, but that
didn't happen. And then we did learn of some different
spinoffs that were canceled without the years. One with spinoff
was going to be a Robin movie set in the
Nolan universe. We don't know if that was like Joseph
or Levitt, yeah, or just a Robin. And then the
end of then when we talk talked about this years ago,
but it's been not official because I say this, but
today she coats Superman, which was gonna be about black Superman. Uh,
this was the quote from the art call was canceled
because David Zaslow found it two woke, so they got
rid of that. So yeah, I love Yeah. So I
hit you a lot here at the Just League plan
the Rock Foggy also, so you need to remind me no,
but yeah, what do you think about this? And we're
gonna talk about more from the Wall Street Journal stuff,
but this was a bunch of stuff just kind of
sifting through all the shitt in there, you know.
Speaker 3: So, oh there's some ship in there for sure.
Speaker 2: I mean, the the idea of the Rock Just leading
DC is like I don't want to see what that
would have been, but like I'm also so curious of
like what the first five projects would have been.
Speaker 1: Under the rock Justice Suore as a rock is covered
in chills already, Well, you don't want that.
Speaker 3: Every movie, like like before is he just gonna come out?
And he's like are you read? Yeah? Yeah, all right now,
everybody enjoy your zone unless.
Speaker 1: You didn't want this guy running. You can feel the mana.
Speaker 3: Like, of course I do, because I'm just a crazy man.
Speaker 1: You wanted this psychle.
Speaker 3: Just so obviously come on now, that would be so hilarious.
Speaker 2: It would have been unpacked that but like for a
true uh, I don't consider myself a purist, but for
lack of a better term, as a purist of the
superhero genre, I definitely don't want that because I didn't
think Black Adam was a very good film, and yeah
he was obviously he had all of his fingers in
all of the holes of that of that project.
Speaker 1: And to get Henry back, remember there was that whole thing,
you know, which I respect, you know, I think I
think that was the right move.
Speaker 2: And like no one showed up and like not even memeing,
like I understand why they maybe thought of like him
in that lead role, because like he's he's good at marketing,
like like he's good at promoting, and he's good at
just getting people's interest.
Speaker 1: Why do you change the background, you get the gimmick
background for the whole check out the gimmick.
Speaker 3: I didn't realize.
Speaker 2: But yeah, like like he's good at selling projects, Like
he's been a part of some very big box office films, right,
and like, yes, I think it's it's not quite to
the level.
Speaker 3: Well, it's definitely not quite the level that it once was.
Speaker 2: But like there was a time when like the Rockers
pop off in all these films, and some of them
were absolute hot garbage, but like everybody knew of the
rock and it's just like, oh yeah, like the rock
in this movie, Like you know what, you're getting so.
Speaker 3: Dumb something.
Speaker 1: Guess it would have been a joke. Like again, I
called the Rock cycle. That's a joke. I think he's
a very smart guy. I mean, we're that final boss character.
He's just out there. But I don't think it was
out of the realm of possibility. If you're looking DC
at that point when they're putting out Shazam and like
all that stuff, like it was, they're really having a
tough time. I can see the vision of I wouldn't
have went that route, but I can see the vision
of people. You're just saying on a money perspective, Rock's
a go to guy, and even myself, I thought Black
Adam was gonna do better than it was. Doesn't matter
about the call they I still thought people would come out.
It's like Rock doing his for superhero role. It's been
talking about for years and people really didn't care. I
think that's because the Rock had been a lot of
like mess stuff. People have kind of sniffed it out
with the Rock of like Jungle Cruise and even like
the fucking Red one last year. Like I think there's
what was rampage. Yeah, I don't think.
Speaker 3: I think we did. At least someone did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Tail did for sure. So but I think that's
the problem that at that point people had kind of
figured out, you know, no pun tent, but the gimmick
of the Rock of Okay or I can only get
you so far, you know.
Speaker 3: The MANA then we're not feeling them on anymore.
Speaker 1: You feeling Yeah, the Superman's new Healing film is Taramana.
Speaker 2: Yeah, great, you mentioned the Nolan Robin thing, so sorry,
is this rumors or something or no.
Speaker 1: No, this was this was a canceled project, so I
guess it was something they're pitching him and eventual Nolan's like, na,
we're not doing that. And again it wasn't said if
it was like a Robin to Batman or if it
was just Robin the sense of remember that, Joe scorn
Lett was like, that's a nice name, Robin. Don't get wrong,
I've pitched that many times. I would have. I would
have been there day one to watch Joe worn Levitt
as Batman.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm there day one for any Nolan project.
Speaker 1: Well, he would have been directed him too, he would
have been He wouldn't have been directing Robin though that
he was.
Speaker 3: Just in his universe.
Speaker 2: Yes, okay about that. I think you need to have
Nolan in there because it is his, it's his brain child.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and don't forget.
Speaker 3: And it would have been.
Speaker 2: Like a big timing thing for me. Also, like if
it was hot off the press of Dark Knight rises
and it's like this is an announcement, It's like fuck, yeah,
let's go, but just going back to that. Yeah, a
little bit less interested. You're changing some lights on me.
What's your favorite out of your color ranges? I usually
have like I like this one for lighting purposes. Plus
I get a little bit of a blue in there.
Speaker 1: But yeah, the greater red is I was, I was
rocking red, but this does not look like blue anymore
because it's so dark.
Speaker 2: So the blue was creeping me out too, because like
the mask, like the green Goblin mask, just the on oh,
it just made it look like like a demon next year,
especially the glow off the eyes.
Speaker 3: It's a fantastic mask.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and this, so I was gonna say, you
gotta remember this is the time where they were they
went to Nolan to direct Man of Steel first, I
don't think it was called Man Steel then, but they
wanted to do Superman and he linked them on with
Zach so same thing. They were in that process of all,
you know, let's do a robin things. Yeah, I don't
want to do that, Oh do Supman? Like I think
he was just done with that stuff, right, so he
I think he would have got the Keys of the
Kingdom if he wanted, like James Gump, but I didn't,
So yeah, I'm glad it's the same way if like
I get it. People are like, oh man, because James
Gunn said, I don't know if he's at the premiere
or something like that. But Jameson was like, oh, I've
been talking Ryan Couger lately, and like, I get it.
I understand. I see all like, could you imagine Ryank
Coruger as Batman? Yeah? I could, But I really want
to do Black Panther three and then go on and
just start the Nolan thing. Do we saw with Sinners.
This guy's a lot of good original ideas, I think,
you know, and I've loved everything this guy's done to
varying degrees, so I don't really want that to happen
for him.
Speaker 3: So there's one more thing I think I missed there.
Speaker 1: There's the Justice League thing and the Superman being canceled thing.
Speaker 3: Just Superman canceled spinoffs.
Speaker 1: Well remember because it was canceled two woke, you know,
or Justice League being you know, refurbished till we get
that movie.
Speaker 3: Crazy statement from the head.
Speaker 1: Of alleged alleged statement.
Speaker 2: Nonetheless crazy, Nonetheless, I believe that it's something that he
could have said.
Speaker 3: But and then oh god, remind me Justice League.
Speaker 1: What was their plan is to kind of like refurbish,
like kind of get them back up to pristine order
before doing it. Justly, it sounds like they don't want
to rush into that Here's Justice. They kind of want
to be like, hey, I don't know if every film
is gonna every members can get a solo film, but
I think kind of like the Flash, they're going to
want to get a new code of Pain and really
try to re establish them.
Speaker 2: That's like if I'm going like like parachuting and they're like, hey,
we're going to make sure that you're paratute doesn't go
off this time, and I'm like, that's.
Speaker 3: Great to hear.
Speaker 2: I don't think you necessarily have to tell me, but
I think that should be expected. So yes, I'm thumbs up.
I'm glad with that statement. That's what that statement reminds
me of. So yeah, yeah, good plan, good plan DC.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. And I'm not in the way like I
go back and forth. I still you know, I still
like the way that Marvel did. Dude, have introduced your
heroes then the big team up, but even then they
had the four and then they had Hawk Eye and
Black Wadow who were not on the team, right, they
didn't get a soul film, I mean, and they were
on the team. So I'm I'm down with that.
Speaker 3: Owen, what's the uh?
Speaker 2: Do you have more of a finger on the pulse
than I do with this sort of things? But like,
what's the general audience's feel with hawk Girl and what
they did with uh?
Speaker 1: I think everyone's the same as that that just not enough,
not enough, And I think especially coming off the Last
of Us, everyone, as Bilmore said, kind of stole that season.
So I think people were expecting more, but.
Speaker 2: I think it was just kind of like how the
character works kind of threw me off. And some people
that I've been talking about, they're like, what the fuck
was going on with hawk Girl?
Speaker 1: Without saying too much, I didn't see Black Adam Hawkman, you.
Speaker 3: Know, but Hawkman didn't do that ship that she was
doing in this time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well maybe he could have. Maybe they maybe
it would have been a.
Speaker 3: Beer Black Adam too, It would have been a bigger
focus rock.
Speaker 1: He's gonna scream like no other. I'm gonna make him
scream scream Ona's Yeah, He's gonna gonna pumpza. He's gonna
be hyped, but uh, yeah, it's gonna be interesting and
then we'll see what happens. I agree with most people.
I think the justly animated series of the lineup be
gonna go. So maybe we'll get hawk Girl in there.
But I think it's a good idea to re establish
a lot of them. I think office you need any
wonder woman who should be our Adria a Drona, you
should get her from and or Batman who knows that, Well,
yeah that's Nick or Bix. Yeah she's to me, it's
like the clear clear Like to me, I think it's
gonna happen. What over Terry Swift, Yeah, I think it's
a good call. But and then yeah, the the super
thing does surprise me. You run around, you see who
Dai das as friends with. And I also think we're
in a time where, unfortunately there's a lot of people
that if there's some we we the podcast started and
there was not Red Eye, thumbnails as, not our Pockets,
but as it went on, we saw there's few.
Speaker 3: For a while.
Speaker 1: Yes, so I could see that him even if he
was which I'm not giving him a benefit of doubt,
I bet he just went that's well garbage to get
it out of there. I could see him being like,
some people might feel this is too woke, and they're
not going to it's gonna be divisive. Let's not do that.
I think the same way as at some point people
have been like, you can't put super Girl in a skirt.
But I think they're kind of like even like there's
been a discussion about like Cat Grant in Superman about
like her on that massive cleavage, and like, oh, like
maybe even five years ago, that wouldn't been happening right,
Like it would have been like sexualized. And I think
there is bounce you know, whatever you want to say
without that character. I don't really care because that character
did nothing in that movie, but I think there is
a bounce of yeah, being too sexual and we don't
want to be like WWF in the fucking nineties where
women's are wrestling in bron pantemages, right, but then you
also don't want to be here's w reference as well,
right to censor where let's cover everybody up, but let's
not do this. So I think we've seen it go
too far of people that are different races or genders
or even just you know, sexual rotations get mishandled and
made to be a joke or not used right. But
then we've seen the other route where it's for the
sake of doing it, s yous do it, not because
they really meant to, just because oh, we don't have
a black person or we don't have his panic. Yeah,
exactly right, which obviosly is not a perfect world. That's
very hard to do. So I think that's where I
can see, Yeah, but I guarantee you he just went on, now,
let's not get a black Superman. And at the same time,
I think it's tough because I want James Gunn say, oh,
we're doing else worlds. I want that to happen. I
think the Batman is a special situation because it's all
already happening. I would imagine that the first else world
that James Gunn green lights that's not anything to do
with Matt Reeves will not be another Superman, another Supergirl.
I think it would be a character that like, hey,
really gonna have nothing to do with the DCU. It's still,
you know, a DC movie, but let's do something different, right,
or something really wild where it's Superman. You've probably heard
a storyline line Superman Red Sun, where instead of landing
in Kansas, he lands in Russia.
Speaker 3: Russia.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's where I like, you do something very wild,
and I just don't think, you know, I like the
Batman or I love the Batman. I want to keep going.
But I if the Batman didn't exist, I would tell
James gun Yeah, don't do else World, at least for
a couple of years. Established this DCU first. But you know,
so we'll see at actually trusting James Gunn right now. Maybe,
but I'm not gonna trust sas off like this is
like this fucking guy like sorry, and this doesn't don't
trust anyone in Hollywood. The second that's say, let's say
Superman next week is a fucking ninety percent drop and
it's the biggest second wee can drop of all time.
And Supergirl bombs and clay Face bombs. The only thing
he's gonna be trusting is, hey, James, you know where
the front door is, Like he's not gonna be trust
like that's I mean, like, I'm not gonna trust any
of these big billions, the guys that like, oh, you.
Speaker 3: Know, I don't trust billionaires.
Speaker 1: I know our company is really hurting for money, but
I need another fifteen percent bonus this year. Like no, no, no,
that's that's not a so don't you know, York. It's
good to have that faith. I hope so, but I
think it's a lot of you know, words, sound and whatnot.
So milk Toast says, any rumors has to win. Wonder
Woman gets rehabilitated on silver screen. You like this quote?
Uh so? James Gunn today said that the Batman and
Wonder Woman films will go into production immediately when the
script is good.
Speaker 3: So when is that love it?
Speaker 1: Who knows? It's like my comment, Yeah, who knows who?
And what is that defining? As good as James Gunn?
You know for some And that's it's interesting.
Speaker 3: Is that interesting an interview or something?
Speaker 1: Or he just he was an interviewed. Yeah, he's always
posted on his social media. Yeah, they're going to know
that he was an interview and they got asked. But
which is funny because I feel like a lot of people,
I don't even cold myself, like I don't know, I
don't know if I want to say this. I just
like I've said it before. It's just my always worry
is Matt Reeve's handing in the Batman two script and
change everything. I don't know about this, and I'm not
saying Jameson shouldn't give notes. It's just like there's always
gonna be people that might like something that you don't write.
So I just hope that if something doesn't speak to him,
but if it speaks to others, I hope he like,
let's say, Peterson, I really love this. I hope he
is the where thought to go, Hey, we're gonna go
with this, right, you have to do that. So I'm
not and that's what I mean. I'm I'm talking about
James Gunn like a fake version because I don't really
know James Gunn. I'm just saying, like, if this is
the James Gunn, and for me, after I saw Superman,
I would not for my personal taste of your say, hey,
this is a guy that's gonna give the green light
if he thinks of Batman two scripts enough. I don't
know if I trust that, because I think Superman two
is or Superman is in a whole different universe than
the Batman. The Batman is is tippy top comic book
stuff or Supermanch's like, yeah, a good time, So you know,
I know that sounds a bit harsher, and again James
going to Be is directed. I have all things films
ten ten love Peacemaker. I'm just saying on this the situation,
so yes, I gotta see it again. I have not
seen that in super in a long long time. So
is the second one you just said super the rain
Wilson where he's being a superhero. It's like really realistic.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, there you go see that before?
Speaker 1: No Wilson, Yes, and Elliott Page.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, No, the only Ring Wilson super movie I
can think of as my super ex girlfriend starting. Oh
he isn't that he's like buddy of Anna Faris mc wilson.
Speaker 3: Luke Wilson, that's his name.
Speaker 1: I still got it.
Speaker 3: I liked it. I like that movie. I can't quite
remember it all all the way, but it's probably been a.
Speaker 1: While I have not I don't think i've seen it
in full. So there you go. H I think you're
giving ass off too much benefit doubt. I think I was.
I was saying this could be all version. But if
you're say, hey, gun your head dress, what anything happened?
I think you have Superman and then threw it away
like that's what I think you know? So uh details us.
I know this doesn't mean anything for the box office.
But those Superman steel books sold out quick. That's tough
because they only make a few of them, right detall, Like,
I don't think they're a huge amount. They look good,
don't get me wrong. Have you seen the steel books?
Speaker 3: No? But I will right now.
Speaker 2: Sorry, your coun's getting worried.
Speaker 1: He's like, we're still got two more topics. It's ten.
You know I got edit this. No, I'm joking, I
got that. Have you there's that one?
Speaker 2: Then?
Speaker 1: Did you see the Drastic World steel book? Thats go
around our discord which down below him and joined the
discord if you like, Hey, if people I see the
new Revie in the chat. If you like talking with
us and talking with the people in here, join a discord.
We're always talking about this ship having a good time.
Uh but did you see the drafts World's Steel book?
That was Flora? I discore that Tayor was pissed about.
Do you see it? Screen share? When you get it
screen share, it's it's good. Let's see. Spa says they
just need to do they just need to actually do
the black label thing. I feel like there's rumor every
year saying they're going to be doing it as a
separate brand everything that it never happens. I agree with you,
s pups, and for me it needs to be not
just well the Batman two is part of the Black
Live was like, no, you were gonna do that regardless.
I agree with you. Jason has said it's gonna happen
or like an else World's label. But at the same point,
I still think they do need to establish their stuff.
Maybe even twenty twenty seven would be a good year.
When it's the Batman, do you make another else World's there?
So let's you got it?
Speaker 2: There?
Speaker 1: It's her on the fucking clip, Like.
Speaker 3: I don't even know, like which one is it?
Speaker 1: Oh no, none of the bad ones are here. I
don't think like all dressing world. It's her like on
a cliff if anyone, let's see which what did you
put in? Put rebirth? Put rebirth? Yeah, put in rebirth?
Yeah this should be right here? Yeah? Oh that one
right there? Is that right there? Yeah? That's the one.
She looks like she's cgied under the box.
Speaker 3: It's Taylor. If you're a true Dinosaur fan, you have
to buy this.
Speaker 1: He was so bit you said, these fucking people taking
my money or whatever. It is, so like, what's this?
Speaker 2: It's just like images of like a really uninteresting scene
from them the boat.
Speaker 1: Well, no, that's the big sea. Remember that's that's the
same they get chased. So oh, let's see here. Milk
Toast says, your audiences aren't like comic fan boys. They
don't want an off brand versions of the character they
they like. They don't want Batsman and they want Superman.
And milk Toast that's why I want. It's not exact,
but that's why I want the two Batman movies to
really see. Okay, you know, can they work? But I
I agree and disagree because I throw Joker. Now. I
know what you might say, Hey, Joker's always a psychopath.
I mean the first Joker movie was very different, right,
That was a very character study, very independent feeling. Tip
movie also didn't work off for the second one. I
think that's a lot due with Peel didn't want sequel musical.
But I feel like that was very different and that
was like an off brand sort of thing, right, So
I think it's case by case basis. What do you
think or do you think people in general don't want
off brand characters or do you think it's case by
case where you're in that.
Speaker 2: No, I think he's I think he's dead on with
that statement. I think what makes those offshoot versions of
the characters so enticing to me is like I've seen
this character before.
Speaker 3: I know what he's doing.
Speaker 2: You know, I agree, I yes, It's it's like me
with Star Wars and like jedis are cool, I guess,
but like I want the fuck in just the rule
of two perspective because we never get that perspective and
and and the old Republic stuff, Like I want to
see stuff that I haven't seen before. So I think he's, uh,
he's very accurate with that. And I mean, was that
one movie bray Burn, Like that was a good example.
Oh yeah, really interesting concept. We didn't do well at all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, rxis Johnson has more successful career than the Rock
at DC at the moment. Well, yeah, of course. Like
at the same time.
Speaker 3: Not surprised this guy's.
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to I'm not like, here, here's the question,
and here's a check an answer, current you can answer.
I love the find with Black Adam made. If they
put out a Peacemaker movie right now on a T
show peace Maker movie, do you think it would be
a Black Adam movie.
Speaker 2: Well, Black Adam had like a million, like a good
billion dollar budget, didn't it.
Speaker 1: Well, not the same problem saying so the box office.
Speaker 2: But if they put like a billion dollars some money
into the film, I would hope it's better than someone
that put a lot less money.
Speaker 1: Black Adam had a budget of uh sixty that's some
rock fuck right there somewhere somewhere in there. But let's
just round up in four hundred million. Do you think
if they put on a Peacemaker movie today, you'll make
four a million? Because I think absolutely fucking not. So
that's where Yark I disagree where it's tough on TV
because same thing if you're saying, oh, the Rock's on
HBO a black like an HBO Black Adam series that
could have done just as well as peace Maker. So
I think I love John Cena, don't get me wrong,
but I still think most any movie, I think if
they remake The Matrix and you put Rock in John Cena,
I think people go see the Rock. I'm not saying
who's better, but I think the Rock still is more
pull than John Cena right now, the only way John
Cena might oust him is in a pure Calmedy situation,
because I think that's what people want from John Cena
is to see I know Peacemaker is comedic, but that's
also very like that cuts off a law of the audience.
It's very you know, oh dick and fart jokes and whatnot.
Even if you make a PG. Thirteen, I still have
my money on Black Adam. Yeah, York says, no, you
know you disagree, I'll by you don't joking. Let's see,
Nico Belk, I'm not gonna around fire the flame, Nico Belk,
I'm not gonna answer this fully because it's spoils to
the movie. I'm just gonna say one because it's the
way they wrote it. And two, maybe Lex put something
in the costume so two men couldn't see the X
right through. You know he thinks of everything details.
Speaker 3: Is underpowered, right, that's true.
Speaker 1: Yeah, his X really only works when it's fully set out.
Some rain doesn't work at all. Jurassic World Rebirth, All Time,
Bad Steel Book. I think we agree you there, Oh Man,
milk Toe's hot Hot take the rocks starting a Sergeant Rock.
Could you imagine James gun and the Yeah, I don't
it's a hot I don't think it's the worst because
you know, got to know again and workout. So but no,
Sergeant Rock's just a just a sergeant. He's just an
army general. That was that movie, remember they were gonna
make but then they kind of canceled it. But then like, no,
that's not cancel, it's just a hold for now.
Speaker 3: No, I'm down there.
Speaker 1: You Okay, let's take another ad break and then we'll
be right back. Okay, And you know, Kirker, I think
that last topic of the Rumfield TV shows, we're gonna
say that for another time because we've got a juice
going on here already. So big thank you everyone in
the chat, jumping in everything. It was uh, it was
a fun night right now, just lots of random questions
also able tut Man, But big thank you to you
guys made this be a two hour show and we
didn't even get their whole topics.