Speaker 1: Like you don't need Jeffrey Epstein anymore. You actually don't
Speaker 1: need an Epstein volunteer. Is Epstein on steroids. They will
Speaker 1: control you through comfort as opposed through fear. Eighty percent
Speaker 1: of the population will rush to it. All right, and
Speaker 1: welcome back to the Rice Report, everybody, Thank you so
Speaker 1: much for being here. As always, this is the place
Speaker 1: where we talk about the things you're not supposed to money, politics, religion,
Speaker 1: and today we're going to go into some different sectors
Speaker 1: of the world that most people have zero education on,
Speaker 1: and we're going to try to bring some light into
Speaker 1: the darkness of the abyss of ignorance that exists in
Speaker 1: America today. We live in a very naive society that
Speaker 1: tends to trend towards trusting without verifying. And I think
Speaker 1: that's a very important topic to talk about today. And
Speaker 1: today's guest Jay Dire.
Speaker 2: Many of you will know him.
Speaker 1: He's been all over the place, author, show, host, podcast,
Speaker 1: He's done just about everything out there, a great name
Speaker 1: out in the space. And I know that because he
Speaker 1: has enemies. When people have enemies, it generally means they're
Speaker 1: over target. I don't take sides on things I call
Speaker 1: balls and strikes Jay As I'm sure you've heard from
Speaker 1: everyone else before coming on the show. I want to
Speaker 1: get into many different topics today, So we're going to
Speaker 1: rush right through the intro and we're going to go
Speaker 1: right into where you see the world going? Aside, I'm
Speaker 1: trying to start all of my interviews with that basic
Speaker 1: sentence like where do you see the world going?
Speaker 2: Because it's completely chaotic?
Speaker 3: So what do you think, Jane, Yeah, I think we're
Speaker 3: seeing a breakdown of the norms and the ideas that
Speaker 3: we've had from the boomer mindset of you know, the
Speaker 3: previous generations and they kind of they're still in power,
Speaker 3: so to speak, but the Boomers are kind of moving out.
Speaker 3: But I think that all of that time frame, all
Speaker 3: that mindset is beginning to break. I think certain things
Speaker 3: in the mainstream media were sort of key pivotal issues.
Speaker 3: I'm going to sidestep the Big nine event back in
Speaker 3: two thousand and one, but more recently, I think twenty
Speaker 3: sixteen was a huge one because a man was declared
Speaker 3: to be by the mainstream media the woman of the Year,
Speaker 3: and so I think that forced a lot of people
Speaker 3: who believed in the establishment in the system to sort
Speaker 3: of come to a fork in the road to decide
Speaker 3: am I going to leave the system, the establishment, or
Speaker 3: am I going to realize that it's lying to me?
Speaker 3: Because if I choose the option that it's lying to me,
Speaker 3: that means that I may have been lied about to
Speaker 3: about everything. Right, So, I think a lot of people
Speaker 3: had their minds broken. Then I think the twenty twenty
Speaker 3: koof Cough event, that that event was a huge syop
Speaker 3: that broke the minds, especially of the boomers and others
Speaker 3: and the left pretty hardcore. And then I think the
Speaker 3: push for technocracy, which has been around for a long time,
Speaker 3: but especially ramping up post COVID and all that, I
Speaker 3: think that has further broken a lot of people's minds
Speaker 3: and forced them to either wake up to more and
Speaker 3: more truth or go deeper and deeper into delusion and
Speaker 3: accept deception or maybe even what Thessalonians calls the strong delusion.
Speaker 3: I'm not necessarily saying that we're in the end of
Speaker 3: the world. I don't know that could be, but regardless,
Speaker 3: God does send as a chastisement of time strong delusions,
Speaker 3: and I think we're definitely seeing people willingly believing and
Speaker 3: going into just absolute insanity because they would rather, as
Speaker 3: you know John three says, go to the light, right,
Speaker 3: Darkness prefers to stay.
Speaker 2: Out of the light because it doesn't want its deeds
Speaker 2: to be exposed.
Speaker 3: So I think they would rather believe lies, and that
Speaker 3: has led to a winnowing. The population is getting sort
Speaker 3: of radically polarized between people who have some sense of
Speaker 3: good and then people are just going more and more
Speaker 3: into evil. Long story short, I think we're going to
Speaker 3: see more and more breakdown of things. I think the
Speaker 3: Fiat money will continue to collapse, so the economy will collapse.
Speaker 2: I think people are going to continue to engage in degenerate, disgusting.
Speaker 3: Activities try to push that on a population, particularly things
Speaker 3: like what we've seen in the Epstein files with younger
Speaker 3: and younger people.
Speaker 2: They'll probably try to normalize that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: I think there'll be more of a push for centralization
Speaker 3: of technocratic stuff. On my channel, we've covered technocracy from
Speaker 3: a historical perspective, going back through a lot of the
Speaker 3: books of the technocrafts like ag Wells and Verse and Russell,
Speaker 3: and the push for that kind of a socialist order
Speaker 3: of the future. So I think unfortunately that's where we're going.
Speaker 3: But I'm not black pilled. I don't think that it's
Speaker 3: all bad. There's a lot of great positive things happening
Speaker 3: at the same time too. A lot of people are
Speaker 3: turning to Orthodoxtrictianity, which I represent that I think that's
Speaker 3: the right form of Christianity. And there was just one
Speaker 3: church I noticed in a post today in North Carolina,
Speaker 3: and they had just this year they had like two
Speaker 3: hundred and fifteen new catech humans, which for the Orthodox
Speaker 3: Church is big. So we've seen a lot of people
Speaker 3: moving in that direction. And obviously it's not just Orthodox,
Speaker 3: the other you know churches that at least adhere to
Speaker 3: publicly conservative traditional ideas people are turning to that.
Speaker 2: I'm not talking about Tepusa. I'm just I'm saying.
Speaker 3: People are searching for you know, reality and real tradition,
Speaker 3: and so that's a good sign. So there's a good
Speaker 3: to have bad happening. But I think the push is
Speaker 3: for technocracy for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's unavoidable to see that. And on
Speaker 1: the other hand, you also have the you know, false
Speaker 1: Golden Age promises of First Thessalonians, so those are kind
Speaker 1: of both playing out at the same time again, I
Speaker 1: don't know when the end of the world is coming out.
Speaker 1: I actually don't really care to be honest with you.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm on the welcoming committee, not the planning committee.
Speaker 1: And when you look at it from that perspective, I
Speaker 1: actually think that this time period right now is they
Speaker 1: are using that search. I put a post out earlier
Speaker 1: today with Don Haffines who said, you know, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I bought Zoro ranch from Epstein, but you know, I'm
Speaker 1: converting into a Christian retreat center for the youth. Like
Speaker 1: who in the world would send their kids to this
Speaker 1: Christian retreat center that had demonic child molestation and murders
Speaker 1: happenings on its property.
Speaker 2: But people are well, they'll see that, right.
Speaker 1: So there is a there is a couple of generations
Speaker 1: now that are completely starving for some sort of spirituality
Speaker 1: in their life because they've been brought up in a
Speaker 1: completely atheistic, dark, communistic environment where there has been the leanings.
Speaker 1: And I think that leads us into you you represent Orthodoxy.
Speaker 1: I don't I represent Biblical Christianity. I don't think any
Speaker 1: institutions are greater than the other. I think they all
Speaker 1: have issues, just like everything else. And I think that
Speaker 1: that you know, you find Christ through Christ, and that
Speaker 1: is that is kind of the home of it. We'll
Speaker 1: get into that topic if you want to, or if
Speaker 1: you don't want to, it doesn't matter to me. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, I think that that starvation of
Speaker 1: spiritual nourishment that people have been looking for is part
Speaker 1: of this technocracy movement. I really think it's a huge
Speaker 1: part of it. Why all of a sudden did the
Speaker 1: floo And of course you can go back to Isaiah
Speaker 1: forty five to seven. I control the light in the darkness,
Speaker 1: right like God. God controls these things at the end.
Speaker 1: But when you see these when you see these movements
Speaker 1: that are happening right now, where you have an entire
Speaker 1: generation of kids who you know, twenty years ago, the
Speaker 1: last thing you get a kid to do is go
Speaker 1: to church, regardless of the church. And now they're flooding
Speaker 1: the pews, which is a good thing, right, It's a
Speaker 1: good thing. I want young people to find spirituality and God,
Speaker 1: but I want them to read their Bibles.
Speaker 2: I want them to pray.
Speaker 1: I don't want them to just sit and listen to
Speaker 1: pulpits or go through rituals and that's just my perspective,
Speaker 1: but it's a good thing. Now that also provides, you know,
Speaker 1: a sign of weakness for society where people will maybe
Speaker 1: focus too much on that and not on the underlying
Speaker 1: technocracy that's being embedded. I know, you know the history
Speaker 1: of Palenteer as well as anyone. I mean, you're looking
Speaker 1: at a complete CIA operation that said, hey, listen, we
Speaker 1: can create this spyware.
Speaker 2: It's going to be great. Go to Congress.
Speaker 1: Congress says, yeah, I don't think the public would like this,
Speaker 1: So why don't you just remain a private company. We'll
Speaker 1: go ahead and funnel taxpayer dollars into INKU. Tell, well,
Speaker 1: make sure you have those to build it out. And
Speaker 1: now when people realize, wow, you've had more funding to
Speaker 1: create a digital prison around us, we'll go ahead and
Speaker 1: take it public so that we can feed everyone's greed
Speaker 1: and they won't not acknowledge that this is a bad
Speaker 1: thing because they're all making money with the stock. Like
Speaker 1: these are the real things that are happening right now.
Speaker 1: Society talks a lot about a lot of things that
Speaker 1: like I don't care about the transgender issue. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's kind of goes back to the old theory of
Speaker 1: discernment isn't knowing the difference between writing wrong. Everyone can
Speaker 1: see that, it's the difference between right and almost right.
Speaker 1: And that's really where the confusion occurs, is that almost
Speaker 1: right perspective. So in this technocracy movement, I've gone through
Speaker 1: the technique a few times on this show also, But
Speaker 1: you want to give a brief history of how we
Speaker 1: got here from Basically, it was nineteen thirty three, nineteen
Speaker 1: thirty fours when the movement began until today.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a it was a older movement.
Speaker 3: Some of the original thinkers come out of Canada, and
Speaker 3: they have loose associations with I think with Elon's granddad
Speaker 3: or something like that, perhaps his dad.
Speaker 2: Forget forget the exactly lineage.
Speaker 3: But yeah, what we did was to try to go
Speaker 3: to some of the thinkers that were the formative writers
Speaker 3: on this subject. So for example, I think the first
Speaker 3: time I came across this was many years ago, maybe
Speaker 3: Patrick Woods books, and he just did a book with
Speaker 3: one of our friends, Courtney Turner, on technocracy. But so yeah,
Speaker 3: this this movement was kind of fringe. It wasn't seen
Speaker 3: as anything atial. But I would argue even prior to
Speaker 3: official technocracy, you had another movement that was equally as
Speaker 3: important that would kind of also synthesize whether and that's
Speaker 3: the Fabian Socialists in the late eighteen hundreds in the UK,
Speaker 3: and they were many of them were actually rabid Satanists. Explicitly,
Speaker 3: they were into very degenerate forms of art, and they
Speaker 3: understood the power of brutalizing the culture they were pushing
Speaker 3: for well, I won't say what type of art here,
Speaker 3: but all the way back in Victorian England.
Speaker 2: So they thought that would kind of be a.
Speaker 3: What they call aesthetic terrorism, a way to brutalize the
Speaker 3: population through art, and then that brutalization could then move
Speaker 3: the scale of or the over the window of how
Speaker 3: people viewed the world in society, and they intentionally wanted
Speaker 3: it to be a removal of any notion of Christianity
Speaker 3: whatsoever in England. And then they also believed in the
Speaker 3: necessity to bring Islam into into the UK as another
Speaker 3: way to change the demographics and the belief of England,
Speaker 3: and that they were very successful in that strategy, and
Speaker 3: later on some of them became more and more specific
Speaker 3: devotees of technocracy. So when you read nineteen eighty four
Speaker 3: Orwell is actually describing the ideology of the English Fabian socialists,
Speaker 3: hence ing soak English socialism.
Speaker 2: Socialism and some of those.
Speaker 3: Key thinkers that are touted by the establishment as the
Speaker 3: most important thinkers of the nineteen twentieth century, like Bertran
Speaker 3: Russell and HG. Wells, were amazingly open in their books.
Speaker 3: There's another guy named Lord Birkenhead from the same circles
Speaker 3: and same societies who wrote an essay and Cosmopolitan back
Speaker 3: in around nineteen twenty twenty eight. And so this before
Speaker 3: Brave New World, and this is before a lot of
Speaker 3: you know, ystopian literature that we think about from that
Speaker 3: time period. And he said, save this because in one
Speaker 3: hundred years you'll have test tube babies, you'll have surveillance everywhere,
Speaker 3: screens will be talking at you. So it's a famous
Speaker 3: prophetic essay that he wrote.
Speaker 2: But long story short, that ideology gain it's really creepy too.
Speaker 2: Its creepy that ideology gain traction.
Speaker 3: And you had more and more wealthy, powerful people seeing
Speaker 3: the importance of technology for the future and where society
Speaker 3: was going to be more structured around AI and tech.
Speaker 2: In fact, even in the nineteen sixties.
Speaker 3: There's a middle chapter of Quickley's Tragy and Hope where
Speaker 3: he talks about the future society will all be run
Speaker 3: by giant AI supercomputers. So even in the nineteen sixties
Speaker 3: they kind of had that figured out or planned, I
Speaker 3: guess you could say. And then another book that I
Speaker 3: covered was any Jacobsen's Giant History of Darpa and Darpa
Speaker 3: is where the Internet comes from, is really called ARPA,
Speaker 3: and then Arpa Net, Darpa Net, et cetera, and then
Speaker 3: just Internet.
Speaker 2: So they created this out.
Speaker 3: Of the time of the Cold War when they wanted
Speaker 3: cryptographic communication that the Soviets couldn't break.
Speaker 2: And then ended up becoming the Internet.
Speaker 3: But they realized, I think also that this could be
Speaker 3: a huge It would revolutionize the future to have the
Speaker 3: Internet and to have everybody linked in. And they even
Speaker 3: talked about the global brain back then. So you had
Speaker 3: even sci fi writers sixties, yeah, yeah, and even before
Speaker 3: that with Asimov Cameraph he was writing the forties or fifties.
Speaker 3: But Asimov talked about global brain and basically Google type
Speaker 3: stuff in the Foundation series.
Speaker 2: So you know, I think the elites, Arthur C.
Speaker 3: Clark too, you know, they they had these ideas about
Speaker 3: where they wanted to take the future in ah she
Speaker 3: Wells is obviously probably the most famous of those because
Speaker 3: he was writing all that fiction that was propaganda at
Speaker 3: the same time as writing all these other books called
Speaker 3: New World Order. He was a high level of Freemason.
Speaker 3: He was a high level committed Marxist socialist. And he
Speaker 3: wrote another book called Open Conspiracy. And really those two books,
Speaker 3: if you just wanted like one or two easy reads
Speaker 3: for understanding the whole New World Order technocracy, you can't
Speaker 3: beat Open Conspiracy and New World Order by Wells.
Speaker 2: And he was the mouthpiece for these people.
Speaker 3: So fast forward to today, you know, as we get
Speaker 3: up into the seventies, Brezenski writes a very important book
Speaker 3: called Between Two Ages and nineteen seventy one or two,
Speaker 3: and the subtitle is the Technic Technic Technotronic Era. And
Speaker 3: so he's talking about how we will move into a
Speaker 3: future totally unlike anything in the world's ever seen. We'll
Speaker 3: have everything from weather modification to genetic modification to Internet
Speaker 3: of Things, satellite integration of everything into one whole sort
Speaker 3: of beast ish system. And that is yeah, that caught
Speaker 3: the attention of Henry Kissinger when he read the book
Speaker 3: and he told David Rockefler said, we need to make
Speaker 3: a committee just for this guy.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: So they created the Trial Outar Commission for Brezenski to
Speaker 3: run and to.
Speaker 2: Get that up to today.
Speaker 3: Lo and behold, as we learn from the Epstein Band
Speaker 3: and inner view, Epstein at age thirty was put on
Speaker 3: the steering committee of the Trilateral Commission by the Kissinger
Speaker 3: circles and to be directly under David Rockefeller. So there's
Speaker 3: a direct link from that to Epstein, and that explains
Speaker 3: why so much of the Epstein side projects that he
Speaker 3: was into with the MIT people and with the Zoro
Speaker 3: ranch was a lot of you know, transhumanist ideology, so
Speaker 3: they believe in transhumanism. Technocracy directly plays into that. You
Speaker 3: mentioned the trans moving a minute ago. We've been arguing
Speaker 3: for a long time over on my side that trans
Speaker 3: stuff is really another way to prep people, especially young people,
Speaker 3: for accepting transhumanism.
Speaker 2: So that's the whole goal here that began in the
Speaker 2: seventies as well. Yep.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the whole movement has like the word trans or
Speaker 1: the prefix trans has been used multiple times since the seventies.
Speaker 1: Really wasn't an issue, wasn't a prefix that people use.
Speaker 1: Then you got into transformers, right, more than meets the.
Speaker 2: Eye a little bit a good point.
Speaker 1: It can change from one thing into another car to
Speaker 1: a robot and all these little tiny implement implementations of
Speaker 1: mind control that have come in.
Speaker 2: HG.
Speaker 1: Wells is a significant figure in that. In that measure,
Speaker 1: you know, let's tie that into Epstein. I think that
Speaker 1: you're going on the right path here because the technocracy
Speaker 1: by itself, first of all, I don't think anything stops it.
Speaker 2: I just don't.
Speaker 1: I just don't think the world stops the technocratic rollout.
Speaker 1: I think it's eighty percent of the population has no idea,
Speaker 1: and of the eighty percent, ninety percent of them cheer
Speaker 1: it on. They really want a lazy lifestyle, so though
Speaker 1: they'll accept any any convenience or any comfort in lieu
Speaker 1: of privacy and rights. I mean, that's just been an
Speaker 1: obvious play for the last years.
Speaker 2: But let's tie it into Epstein, the Trilateral Commission. I
Speaker 2: know you've been going through the files. Some of these
Speaker 2: files are hard to read.
Speaker 1: I actually told myself, I'm not learning anything new from this.
Speaker 1: It's just proving things that I've been talking about for
Speaker 1: eight years, and that actually concerns me. It's almost an
Speaker 1: identical match to what we've been saying, the identical the
Speaker 1: identical nature. There's no chain of custody for these files.
Speaker 1: By the way, we have no idea who made them,
Speaker 1: who handled them, whether they're authentic or not. That is
Speaker 1: an issue that any any diligent what's the word I'm
Speaker 1: looking for here, honorable researcher would note is that there's
Speaker 1: no chain of custody. That's a very important thing when
Speaker 1: it comes to quote unquote evidence. But let's link this
Speaker 1: into Epstein, so technocracy Epstein. The really disturbing stuff here
Speaker 1: is not necessarily it's all disturbing.
Speaker 2: I'll be honest, it's all disturbing.
Speaker 1: But the real disturbing stuff here is, you know, the
Speaker 1: baby modification, the genetic modifications, the constant thought process behind
Speaker 1: how do we modify or utilize human beings. I mean,
Speaker 1: everyone's talking about the use of the word goiam. They've
Speaker 1: been calling us goiam for thousands of years.
Speaker 2: Guys.
Speaker 1: It's not like a new thing that just popped up.
Speaker 1: But you know, what are some of the files you're
Speaker 1: seeing right now where you're actually shaking your head.
Speaker 2: You're probably like me.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the stuff coming out. I'm researching some files,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, yeah, this is it's just proving what
Speaker 1: we've been saying. But that also to me gives me hesitation,
Speaker 1: Like why are these files so identical to the existing
Speaker 1: conspiracy theories that that never happens usually a new twist
Speaker 1: to it or something deeper, we didn't know.
Speaker 2: Where does your head rest with that right now? Jay?
Speaker 3: I think they're legit. I mean I don't mean that
Speaker 3: every single thing is legit. I think that there was
Speaker 3: a lot of opposition to them coming out, which means
Speaker 3: that they didn't want them to be to be released,
Speaker 3: and we were given several fake releases and binders of
Speaker 3: stuff that had already come out. And yeah, I've been
Speaker 3: on this Epstein case for a little while, back to
Speaker 3: maybe twenty sixteen. Seventeen was the first time I heard
Speaker 3: about it. My publisher publishes Whitney Webb's book, which is
Speaker 3: a really good one, specifically volume two, so I think
Speaker 3: she did some really good research that's been vindicated. But
Speaker 3: I read my first book on ritual abuse back in
Speaker 3: two thousand and four, so it's a subject that I've
Speaker 3: been aware of and looked at for about twenty two years,
Speaker 3: loosely speaking.
Speaker 2: Specifically ritual abuse and that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: So none of that surprises me because a lot of
Speaker 3: that was confirmed seen files, and there's many other cases
Speaker 3: that have popped up over the years that we've also
Speaker 3: looked at and read about and just discussed, like ELM
Speaker 3: Guesthouse in the UK, Saviles whole stuff. You know, there's
Speaker 3: the next sem call with the Bronfman's, there's you know,
Speaker 3: you can just sort of go on the Finder's case,
Speaker 3: the Franklin cover up, like you can just go on
Speaker 3: on Persidio with Michael Akino. So, uh, you know, I've
Speaker 3: known about all that stuff for a long time. McMartin preschool,
Speaker 3: Ted Gunnerson, all that stuff I think was legit. I
Speaker 3: remember watching Ted Gunnerson lectures on this stuff back when
Speaker 3: it was Google video back in like two.
Speaker 2: Thousand and five or so.
Speaker 3: That was kind of an introduction time for that for
Speaker 3: this subject matter, which you know, it's very dark, it's
Speaker 3: very difficult. So I think, like you said, all of
Speaker 3: that's really been kind of vindicated. I think his role
Speaker 3: as an attesche not just for David Rockefeller, but for
Speaker 3: the Rothchilds has also been vindicated. That was something that
Speaker 3: was very contentious.
Speaker 2: I read.
Speaker 3: I read a lot of stuff on the Rothchilds back
Speaker 3: in the two thousands, and I remember back then, if
Speaker 3: you talked about that, people just lose their they would
Speaker 3: lose their minds and go go after you, go crazy
Speaker 3: on you. But yeah, specifically, what shocks me and what's
Speaker 3: what's surprising isn't so much that kind of stuff, because,
Speaker 3: like you said, we knew that, we knew that was
Speaker 3: out there. But what has been the first thing that
Speaker 3: shot me was I remember because we've we followed it
Speaker 3: like every day this week, multiple hours as stuff kind
Speaker 3: of dripped out. The first thing that really surprised me
Speaker 3: was the nature and scope of his operation, which was
Speaker 3: so international. One of the things that everybody's already forgotten.
Speaker 3: Like the second day there was a list of like
Speaker 3: fifteen heads of states that he had planned to.
Speaker 2: Go meet, so he was all over the globe. He's
Speaker 2: almost like.
Speaker 3: A bond villain, like at the level of organized crime
Speaker 3: fixer international.
Speaker 2: And I get the impression.
Speaker 3: I know I've said this on a lot of interviews,
Speaker 3: but it really is true that when you read, say
Speaker 3: Whitney's book, the first several chapters, you get the impression
Speaker 3: that he's almost like brought into the Maxwell operation and
Speaker 3: taught how to do crime. It's like he's got like
Speaker 3: a high, like an advanced degree crime yea, and he
Speaker 3: seems better at that.
Speaker 2: Than anything else.
Speaker 3: Like when it comes to him yapping on about philosophy
Speaker 3: with Bannon, I don't think he really knew what he
Speaker 3: was talking about. When he yaps about technology and AI.
Speaker 3: A lot of people who study tech and AI. I'm
Speaker 3: not in that domain, but they've told me that it's
Speaker 3: just him sounding sounding off, trying to sound smart. He
Speaker 3: doesn't really know that stuff, but he doesn't spell palenteer,
Speaker 3: so like we know that.
Speaker 2: The space.
Speaker 3: You know, he had some hard time with some words there,
Speaker 3: which is kind of funny. And the grammar and all
Speaker 3: these emails is terrible.
Speaker 2: Too, but horrible. A lot of people have noticed this,
Speaker 2: Like you would.
Speaker 3: Think criminal masterminds would I guess that they don't care
Speaker 3: about spelling, right, and then movies they're very eloquent, right,
Speaker 3: and they do their villain gloat.
Speaker 2: But anyway, so yeah, that's surprised me. The international scope
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 3: The extent of it, the full spectrum dominance of it,
Speaker 3: because he's involved in everything from funding crypto projects to
Speaker 3: funding ideas in video games like Call of Duty. He's
Speaker 3: involved in explaining the Vatican banks inner workings to Larry Summers,
Speaker 3: who you would think Larry Summers knows that, but apparently
Speaker 3: Epstein had to explain.
Speaker 2: That to him. He's involved. He also lived at the Vatican,
Speaker 2: according to his assistant. Correct.
Speaker 3: Yes, Oh, that's another thing that we've hit on pretty
Speaker 3: hard that nobody else wants to talk about.
Speaker 1: People forget the Rothchilds are the guardians of the papal treasure.
Speaker 2: Also there are the papal bankers. Yes, since the eighteen
Speaker 2: thirty bankers of the Vatican.
Speaker 3: First loans were in eighteen thirty two, and significant loans
Speaker 3: ever since then. That also explains, by the way, Gladio
Speaker 3: and the Vatican Bank stuff, which is a whole other
Speaker 3: rabbit trail to go down. But everyone should read Operation Gladio,
Speaker 3: by the way, absolutely, it's a great book.
Speaker 2: And then you know Epstein.
Speaker 3: Also, one thing that surprised me was that he seems
Speaker 3: to have had a hand almost in a lot of
Speaker 3: the big events for the last twenty years. So for example,
Speaker 3: the bailouts in Europe, there's those email exchanges where he
Speaker 3: was saying, Hey, we're going to be able to profit immensely.
Speaker 3: We can go in and buy up everything here in Greece.
Speaker 3: That's what our in under Rachild. So that's that's so legit.
Speaker 3: And then the other one with Zelensky Ukraine. He's flying
Speaker 3: over to the Ukraine a month before Zelenski comes to power,
Speaker 3: and then after that, Zelenski's in text messages saying I
Speaker 3: need the help of Jeffrey, get me, Jeffrey, I need
Speaker 3: to gon salt, need good salting.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: So that surprised me that it was that kind of
Speaker 3: like international. A lot of what he says to Bannon
Speaker 3: is pretty wild about you know, who's really running things.
Speaker 3: That it didn't surprise me to surprise me that they
Speaker 3: were that blatant in the way they talked about it.
Speaker 3: And then we had another email that's already never forgotten
Speaker 3: was the Somalia land email.
Speaker 2: Where he talks to I forget who who he's talking to,
Speaker 2: but he's basically.
Speaker 3: Saying, throughout the KO, through all the chaos that will
Speaker 3: cause in Somali, we'll be able to go in and
Speaker 3: buy it up and renovate it.
Speaker 2: It'll be a.
Speaker 3: Massive, you know, resource treasure house. And that ties in
Speaker 3: exactly to the way. For example, Hillary back in her
Speaker 3: emails and when when those were leaked and when she
Speaker 3: was writing about Libya to the Brookings Institute, Epstein said
Speaker 3: the same thing about Libya and Gadafi's gold, like, we're
Speaker 3: gonna go in pay to play, take the gold, and
Speaker 3: we'll divvy it up to all the people.
Speaker 2: That donate to the Clinton campaign. So it's like a
Speaker 2: big racket where.
Speaker 3: Donate to the Clinton campaign, you'll get a cut when
Speaker 3: we go in for our foreign interventions into into Libya.
Speaker 3: So we saw that with Somalia. That also explains why
Speaker 3: we would have so many migrants, I mean, one of
Speaker 3: the reasons why I strayed so many migrants displaced anyway,
Speaker 3: I'm rambling, but yeah, oh you're not. All the other
Speaker 3: things were like massive, you know, not just vindicators, but
Speaker 3: but just showing the scope, industrial scale level stuff. I
Speaker 3: think was the first thing that surprised me how how
Speaker 3: interconnected it was, because I remember twenty sixteen when it
Speaker 3: first when I first heard of Jeffrey and all this stuff,
Speaker 3: it was maybe maybe it was a report of about
Speaker 3: Lolita Express, right, and oh there's this plane and they
Speaker 3: fly really rich people and celebrities around.
Speaker 2: And you know, we didn't really have a know about
Speaker 2: the Black.
Speaker 3: Bookyet, even though I think Nick Bryant, the journalist that
Speaker 3: I'll be on with him tomorrow, like he was the
Speaker 3: first one say hi to him.
Speaker 2: I had him on here last week.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was the one gawker that put the Black
Speaker 3: Book up, like even before all that. But I didn't
Speaker 3: know about the Black Book. And twenty fifteen or sixteen, yeah,
Speaker 3: i'd heard of Epstein. I didn't know there was this
Speaker 3: book anyway, long story short, Yeah, all of that's been vindicated,
Speaker 3: and it just really shows that one of the key
Speaker 3: ways to understand how the world works, if you really
Speaker 3: want to get into this dark stuff, is to understand
Speaker 3: organized crime. Because we did a lot of podcasts and
Speaker 3: deep dives into the history of the mafia in the
Speaker 3: last century, because I think that's a key window to
Speaker 3: understand that because everybody understands the mafia. They understand yeah,
Speaker 3: I've seen the Godfather, right, but they don't think about
Speaker 3: something like that. Being internationalists, scale they think about it like, oh, well,
Speaker 3: that's the guys in you know, New York or Brooklyn
Speaker 3: or whatever. There's no international conspiracy of you know, elites, right,
Speaker 3: I'm talking about skeptics and people that still are denying
Speaker 3: that there's this level of you know, James Bond, Spectorville
Speaker 3: and stuff.
Speaker 2: But you can look at the mafia and say, well,
Speaker 2: I wait a minute, if.
Speaker 3: It exists at a national level and there's a syndicate
Speaker 3: throughout the US of organized crime, why would there not
Speaker 3: be possibly a syndicate internationally that operates this exact same way,
Speaker 3: and low and behold is true.
Speaker 1: Well, I always tell people I draw the same conclusions there.
Speaker 1: I mean, even initiation into the mafia requires you burning
Speaker 1: a card of Christ America. Yeah, yeah, you keep your
Speaker 1: mouth shut o America. And when you look at that,
Speaker 1: the Italians get all the credit for the Jewish mafia
Speaker 1: is the most powerful mafia.
Speaker 2: In the world.
Speaker 1: They were the overlords of the Italians, every Italian structure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so my.
Speaker 3: Lucky Luciana went to Mayor Lanski to say, hey, how
Speaker 3: do we structure this in the US?
Speaker 2: And that's what was structured. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I always ask people what do you think learned it from?
Speaker 3: All?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Like do you think that mafia just invented the system.
Speaker 1: The system is Babylonian nature. It actually goes back thousands
Speaker 1: of years, right. You can trace this back to roots
Speaker 1: that go very very deep outside the existing borders of
Speaker 1: any nation today. And it links back into secret society
Speaker 1: type stuff.
Speaker 2: It does.
Speaker 3: It does in fact, and that ties into mafia is
Speaker 3: a secret society, like the Mafia's in secret society. And
Speaker 3: it's also directly related to intelligence. And there's a great
Speaker 3: book that I often refer to that we need to
Speaker 3: just do a deep dive just on this book because
Speaker 3: it's a really rare historical text. It's a History of
Speaker 3: Intelligence Services by Francis de Vornick, and it's going back
Speaker 3: to it's a scholarly work, not a conspiracy book. So
Speaker 3: it's admitting things from a scholar perspective that in the
Speaker 3: ancient world, cults and intelligence agencies were joined at the
Speaker 3: hit they were the same. And say, if you go
Speaker 3: back to Egypt, pharaoh's spies were the priests and the mailmen.
Speaker 3: And it makes sense why mailmen would spies because they're
Speaker 3: taking you know, the messages of the king and whatnot. So, uh,
Speaker 3: those were the earliest spies of course, obviously prostitutes were
Speaker 3: spies as well, even in the ancient world, even in
Speaker 3: the Bible, right, I mean you have essentially the spies
Speaker 3: going in and Rahab colluding with the Jews right.
Speaker 2: To be saved in that situation.
Speaker 3: So even the Bible teaches us these these basic principles.
Speaker 2: And I did a talk i think last year.
Speaker 3: When my book came out about espionage in the Bible,
Speaker 3: and there's when you get into that, it's fascinating because
Speaker 3: there's actually a lot of instances that people kind of forget,
Speaker 3: especially in the Old test of espionage and spycraft, just
Speaker 3: even in scripture. So you know, God wouldn't put that
Speaker 3: there if he didn't want us to at least have
Speaker 3: some awareness of that of that going on in the world.
Speaker 3: But you're absolutely right, in an ancient world, they're directly connected.
Speaker 2: You know. I don't know what to say it than
Speaker 2: that that I totally agree.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's almost like you know there, I've been studying
Speaker 1: this stuff for like a decade now, and when you
Speaker 1: start getting into the ancient esoteric mystery religion, start to
Speaker 1: understand where Cabbala comes from, where all these theories come from.
Speaker 2: They're all Satanic in nature. I mean, they're very Antichrist.
Speaker 1: But they are the powers of the world, the powers
Speaker 1: that we see, right, they're what we see and don't
Speaker 1: see at the same time. But they all follow the
Speaker 1: same pattern. And you can look at you know, the
Speaker 1: connections between them all. You know, Freemason's Boulets, Illuminati, Jesuits.
Speaker 1: The entire system is architected to be interconnected yet look
Speaker 1: separate from a part as though they're opposing, but they
Speaker 1: work together on all types of stuff. And and Epstein,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, was the connector between all of these groups.
Speaker 1: He was the go between or the guy that arranged meetings.
Speaker 1: Nothing he did was on his behalf. He was serving
Speaker 1: someone and everyone appointed to Rockefeller or a Rothschild. But
Speaker 1: I don't know that they're actually in charge. I don't,
Speaker 1: you know, No one knows. But this mystery religion, this
Speaker 1: Babylonian cult nature where they're practicing power on earth. I
Speaker 1: think one of the things that I've talked about, and
Speaker 1: I'm sure that you've read into this as well. You know,
Speaker 1: probably eight years ago I really got law it's where
Speaker 1: that's where I found Christ. But I got really lost
Speaker 1: in this rabbit hole of trying to figure out why
Speaker 1: in the world people would hurt these kids, like why
Speaker 1: would you kidnap kids, sexually assault them, murder them, eat them,
Speaker 1: you know, all this kind of stuff super dark. I
Speaker 1: actually don't advise many people to do it, especially if
Speaker 1: you don't have faith. I advise you to stay away
Speaker 1: from it. But when you start doing this, you start
Speaker 1: realizing that what they're doing is sacrificing the innocence of
Speaker 1: a child two demons like that is what they are doing.
Speaker 1: They're sacrificing the in because only those of childlike faith
Speaker 1: will enter the gates of heaven. So they're stealing away
Speaker 1: their innocence for earthly power. And people will equate that
Speaker 1: to blackmail, and they'll equate it to you know, having
Speaker 1: what's the word that they use, collateral on each other.
Speaker 1: But the reality, that's the earthly part of it. The
Speaker 1: reality is these people actually are far more religious than
Speaker 1: any of you watching this show, and they believe things
Speaker 1: in the opposite direction, and they will absolutely give their
Speaker 1: life for this ancient esoteric mystery religion, which is Satanism.
Speaker 1: So when you're looking at the stuff with the how
Speaker 1: do you tie in the kids? People will always say, well,
Speaker 1: they're looking for collateral in these people. They want to
Speaker 1: have a video or at least a know how, a
Speaker 1: tattle tale to use against them. Sure, certainly that's that's
Speaker 1: for the for the power, but the spiritual power that
Speaker 1: these people are trying to harness through this ancient practice.
Speaker 1: This is nothing new, Jay, You know this better than anybody. Like,
Speaker 1: child trafficking has existed since children were born. Child sacrifice
Speaker 1: has existed for far beyond the beginning of the Bible. Right,
Speaker 1: so well, not the Garden of Eden, but call it
Speaker 1: Garden of Eden into Exodus. Then you have ball and
Speaker 1: Moloch and rem Fambiel Zabob, any name you want to
Speaker 1: give them. These people have been heavily, heavily a cult.
Speaker 1: And people think a cult means satanic. It just means hidden.
Speaker 1: It certainly has Satanic ties, but they're hiding this stuff
Speaker 1: in plain sight. And the craziest part about it for
Speaker 1: all of you out there, is that these people, these Satanists,
Speaker 1: are the best liars on planet Earth. They can they
Speaker 1: can you know, the devil scripture better than any human being,
Speaker 1: and they serve him and they will use scripture against
Speaker 1: people to lead them in the wrong direction. And you know,
Speaker 1: as this technocratic system rolls out, which is clear and obvious,
Speaker 1: like there's no conspiracy theory behind this, when you're putting
Speaker 1: out almost a trillion, actually one point two trillion dollars
Speaker 1: in data centers and funding for Palenteer and.
Speaker 2: Oracle and all these other groups.
Speaker 1: This, this group of people cast spells on the world.
Speaker 1: They really do, whether it's through film or music or whatever.
Speaker 1: They've been doing this for a very long time to
Speaker 1: distract us, and now people are starting to understand it
Speaker 1: in this era that we live in right now, where
Speaker 1: there's two ways to look at it. The truth is
Speaker 1: being exposed, justice will be served, We'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 1: I'm personally not on the bandwagon saying that that's going
Speaker 1: to happen. I'm on the bandwagon of saying that some
Speaker 1: people will probably pay a price, but most will walk
Speaker 1: free on you know, a plausible deniability or whatever they
Speaker 1: want to use, because they created the laws in the
Speaker 1: beginning to escapegoat them. The other side is that there's
Speaker 1: this great delusion. You talked about, the great delusion that's
Speaker 1: being cast on the earth from Second Thessalonians. Part of
Speaker 1: that delusion, I believe, right now is you know, everything
Speaker 1: was driven by fear. All all of human society has
Speaker 1: been driven like the ranchers have controlled the cattle through
Speaker 1: fear for generations and millennium. The future is comfort, right,
Speaker 1: that is what a technocracy provides. They will control you
Speaker 1: through comfort as opposed through fear. So this exposure happens
Speaker 1: every you know, the economists call it a fourth turning,
Speaker 1: you know, the evil people call it a great reset.
Speaker 1: Other people just call it a reset. These resets have
Speaker 1: occurred many times throughout history. Every single time the new
Speaker 1: one taking power exposed the old. Nothing happened to the old,
Speaker 1: but they exposed them, so nobody. So people, I don't
Speaker 1: want anything to do with this, And I think that
Speaker 1: that Epstein, in my opinion, will be used in this
Speaker 1: surveillance state model as well, because they're going to say, well, look,
Speaker 1: we captured all of this information. We captured all of
Speaker 1: it on emails, videos, stored in computers.
Speaker 2: We captured it all digitally.
Speaker 1: So now we're need access to everyone's digital information, for
Speaker 1: which they already have, but we want your permission for
Speaker 1: it forever, so that no child ever gets harmed. And
Speaker 1: if you deny that, they're going to say, well, you're
Speaker 1: a pedophile protector, right, you see the dialectic that's playing
Speaker 1: out with us to use at.
Speaker 3: The Yeah, they'll probably do that at the same time
Speaker 3: as trying to normalize.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is on camera saying he thought Epstein was
Speaker 1: a cool guy. You have these cool guy Epstein memes
Speaker 1: going out right, is it's thoroughly disgusting.
Speaker 2: But what the hell is happening with this? Jay? What
Speaker 2: what are you seeing with this? It's confusing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you nailed it there with what they've
Speaker 3: chosen to go with for the for the model of
Speaker 3: this technocracy, which is not the you know, boot stamping
Speaker 3: on your face like there may be some of that,
Speaker 3: but it's not the model in general that Orwell talks about.
Speaker 2: It's the brave New World model, which.
Speaker 3: Is about pleasure and you get the he said about
Speaker 3: that book that they're going to control us through drugs
Speaker 3: and pleasure and sensation. And a lot of people don't
Speaker 3: know this, but that's a very important novel if you
Speaker 3: go back and pay attention to it. And we recently
Speaker 3: did a second to deep Dive ten years later with
Speaker 3: my buddy Frank over it. Quite frankly, I think it's
Speaker 3: in his it's in our members section. I can't knowmber
Speaker 3: if it's public or not. But one thing I didn't
Speaker 3: notice until going back and reviewing that book was that
Speaker 3: Mustapha Mond, who's the villain character, who's the one of
Speaker 3: the world's socialist controllers, he's.
Speaker 2: Actually a pedophile.
Speaker 3: And they make that clear at the end of the
Speaker 3: second chapter where instead of Jesus saying let the children
Speaker 3: come onto me, Mustapha Mond says, let them come on
Speaker 3: to me. And it's in the context of what in
Speaker 3: the novel they call erotic play. And in that future,
Speaker 3: that dystopia, everybody has to be erotic with everybody else,
Speaker 3: Like you have to touch butts.
Speaker 2: You can't.
Speaker 3: There's no it's against the law to not be with
Speaker 3: anybody who wants you. So it's a that might be
Speaker 3: a little extreme, but the that is the future will
Speaker 3: be a technocracy where you're enslaved by your passions and
Speaker 3: my pleasure, not by the bootstamping on your face. I
Speaker 3: think you're absolutely right there. Huxley was more correct on
Speaker 3: that point than Orwell was. That's where they're going. They've
Speaker 3: definitely been selling this whole technocracy on the basis of
Speaker 3: ease and convenience. Totally right on all those points, and
Speaker 3: that's I think they've you know, actuaried that out, that
Speaker 3: that's the most effective way to get people on board,
Speaker 3: and they'll they'll sacrifice privacy and rights it for that convenience.
Speaker 2: And they learned that after nine.
Speaker 3: To eleven, right, people will are willing to give all
Speaker 3: that up for convenience since perceived safety, which is ridiculous
Speaker 3: because the people behind this are the ones telling you
Speaker 3: that you're going to be safe.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I agree with all that. I also agree that.
Speaker 3: We saw, for example, in the last year, this push,
Speaker 3: especially in Western countries, for digital ID to protect the kids.
Speaker 3: And oh and now we all see how absurd this
Speaker 3: is because the establishment for claiming it's desire to protect
Speaker 3: the kids through digital ID is the establishment protecting the
Speaker 3: PDFs and involved in those kind of international operations. Now,
Speaker 3: for people to say that this isn't real, well, why
Speaker 3: are people stepping down? I mean, I've already seen a
Speaker 3: lot of pms and that's great they're stepping down, But
Speaker 3: I mean they're not being brought to justice, just stepping
Speaker 3: down from some cushy position to go into some other
Speaker 3: cushy position.
Speaker 2: Is not justice.
Speaker 3: So I, like you, I don't expect that we're going
Speaker 3: to see mass arrest or some sort of round up
Speaker 3: or anything other than probably a mid level people, a
Speaker 3: low level people taking the brunt of the heat. That's
Speaker 3: exactly what we've seen in the past too, right, you
Speaker 3: have people like Mark Dutroux and the du trou affair.
Speaker 3: That famous incident went all the way up to the
Speaker 3: highest levels of the Belgian government. A million people marsh
Speaker 3: in the street. The only person that got in trouble
Speaker 3: was dutrou and maybe one other dude.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I don't think that.
Speaker 3: But also I think that people are beginning to doubt
Speaker 3: the system at a mass level. And where exactly that
Speaker 3: we'll go I don't know. But unfortunately people keep getting duped.
Speaker 3: They're so often duped by When the establishment senses that
Speaker 3: people are beginning to move away from its perspective, they
Speaker 3: will put forward the opposition or the you know, the control.
Speaker 3: This we know about controlled opposition, and it's unfortunate because
Speaker 3: people keep falling for it.
Speaker 1: So, you know, there's are so easy to see and
Speaker 1: it is wow, they're on our No one's on your side,
Speaker 1: No one at the high levels on your side.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't get to certain tiers.
Speaker 3: And remember this was the system that Epstein was was
Speaker 3: part of, was they would compromise people at higher and
Speaker 3: higher levels with darker and darker stuff. I think that's
Speaker 3: the way it works because to move up you need
Speaker 3: to they need more dirt on you then to make
Speaker 3: sure that you're you know fully on board. And again
Speaker 3: that's not surprising because criminal gangs operate that way. You
Speaker 3: know MS thirteen for example, They want you to do
Speaker 3: way more than the Sicilian mafia to be part of
Speaker 3: that game. So they have expectations of no, you don't
Speaker 3: just need to need to kill women and children, not
Speaker 3: just to kill people women and children, right, So it
Speaker 3: gets darker and darker as you go up. That's something
Speaker 3: we've highlighted too with I think a lot of the
Speaker 3: pop stars and the celebrities, in order to get to
Speaker 3: those tiers, it seems like they have to engage in
Speaker 3: more and more degrading practices. And if you think that's crazy,
Speaker 3: most people don't think C. S. Lewis was crazy. They
Speaker 3: think he was a great writer, great author, but not
Speaker 3: many people remember that. In the Space Trilogy, in the
Speaker 3: third volume, when the protagonist who's in a new world
Speaker 3: order situation. It's a technocracy that they're setting up the
Speaker 3: aliens or demons in the novel when he's joining Nice
Speaker 3: in Ice, which is kind of a joke because it's
Speaker 3: the it's the technocrats who say that they're NICE as
Speaker 3: an organization, but they're they're.
Speaker 2: Creating a world government to depopulate everybody.
Speaker 3: He has to go through this degrading satanic ritual to
Speaker 3: join NICE, and you know, he doesn't understand why I
Speaker 3: has to do this, but it's precisely because of what
Speaker 3: we're talking about. To make sure that your conscience is
Speaker 3: seared and that you're willing to serve evil at all costs,
Speaker 3: and they have the dirt on you and etcetera. And
Speaker 3: like you said, it's also demonic too, that it's not
Speaker 3: just the earthly plane of blackmail. It's also making sure
Speaker 3: that you're on board with this demonic power. So yeah,
Speaker 3: I pretty much agree with everything you said.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm trying to get some disagreement, Jay, but I
Speaker 1: get there. Yeah, that's what that's what religion's for.
Speaker 2: I guess, uh.
Speaker 1: On the on the on the other side of stuff,
Speaker 1: we have to look at this from a perspective because
Speaker 1: the the the the concept you just gave where literally
Speaker 1: its like one and a half million people were marching
Speaker 1: the street. Back then, two guys paid the price. I think,
Speaker 1: I think you're right. There's there's the main guy. There
Speaker 1: was another guy, du.
Speaker 2: Trou and then I think some other like procureur dude.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he was just he was just a middle
Speaker 1: man and it was It was no more than four
Speaker 1: weeks later everyone was like, Okay, it's over right. That's
Speaker 1: how humanity works. And right now, the speed of information,
Speaker 1: the speed of info, like I did a talk about
Speaker 1: twelve years ago about information overload twelve years ago, and
Speaker 1: back then the stats were staggering, like the average human
Speaker 1: being who was on the Internet for four to six
Speaker 1: hours per day was absorbing between one hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: and two hundred and fifty thousand.
Speaker 2: Words per day.
Speaker 1: That was twelve years ago, before TikTok, before any of
Speaker 1: this other stuff. That was when you had to read
Speaker 1: the internet. Now, with video consumption, this constant barragement into
Speaker 1: people's brains right now is just scrambling them. And I
Speaker 1: think they're going to accept anything and pleasure and comfort.
Speaker 1: I agree with that that is going to be the
Speaker 1: new twist because everyone now you have the expose, everything
Speaker 1: is being exposed of the past.
Speaker 2: These cruel overloads. They're cruel to you, right, just like
Speaker 2: the devil would be. They're cruel to you. Come to me, right.
Speaker 1: I think of Xerxes in three hundred going to the
Speaker 1: guy with the hump on his back and he's like,
Speaker 1: you're Leonidas is cruel, but I'm kind right as he's
Speaker 1: sitting there.
Speaker 2: In an orgy of demonic activity.
Speaker 1: It's the same exact setting that society is going through
Speaker 1: because they're going to say, listen, we don't want.
Speaker 2: These brutal overlords that are doing these things.
Speaker 1: Now, we don't even need them. We can have machines
Speaker 1: do their job. We don't have to worry about human
Speaker 1: interference in government. We don't have to worry about any
Speaker 1: you know, nonsensical issues coming from the government if it's
Speaker 1: coming from an AI system. But in order for that
Speaker 1: AI system to work, you're all going to have to comply,
Speaker 1: and that compliance will be done. I have no hesitation
Speaker 1: that eighty percent of the population will rush to it
Speaker 1: after they're procured the right way. Because Hegelian dialectic is misunderstood.
Speaker 1: It's create the problem for the solution, but in the
Speaker 1: middle you use the reaction of the best way to
Speaker 1: implement the solution psychologically. And they have so much data
Speaker 1: coming from the outrage of anything, whether it's tariffs, you know,
Speaker 1: even the small stuff, right, whether it's the Academy Awards
Speaker 1: or whatever it is. They have all this data coming
Speaker 1: out on human beings as being processed at light speed.
Speaker 1: I just don't I just don't see. I just don't
Speaker 1: envision how we get out of it except for a
Speaker 1: select few. Right, there will be a select few that
Speaker 1: the buck the system because the digital idea that you
Speaker 1: went through, that's going to happen, Like, that's absolutely.
Speaker 2: Going to happen.
Speaker 1: AI is being unrestrained at this point in time, and
Speaker 1: I am in that space.
Speaker 2: There are no guardrails.
Speaker 1: I've talked to people inside almost all of the major
Speaker 1: AI companies and I'm like, are there guardrails?
Speaker 2: Like, nope.
Speaker 1: The only guardrail is your human creativity and what you
Speaker 1: can get the AI to do. So eventually there'll be
Speaker 1: an Eric and Jay Dyer fight video that comes out
Speaker 1: that will look totally real, like you and I jumped
Speaker 1: out of the screen and had a fist fight, you know,
Speaker 1: and killed each other, and people will think we're both murderers,
Speaker 1: and then eventually we're going to be begging for justice
Speaker 1: of who made that video, right, or like imagine any
Speaker 1: video AI can make that is one that is one
Speaker 1: wrench that they're using, that's one beating you over the
Speaker 1: head with something to get you to comply. Then you
Speaker 1: have the other side of Epstein, right, Like you don't
Speaker 1: want to be a pedophile. We need full surveillance. We
Speaker 1: have to surveil all the powerful people, and that includes
Speaker 1: you as a peon who has nothing to do with us,
Speaker 1: but you need to be part of it as well.
Speaker 1: This Gaelien dialectic, is it like the ranchers are very smart,
Speaker 1: the cattle are very dumb, and that you know, go
Speaker 1: back to animal farm.
Speaker 2: It's a great Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: In fact, I'm totally forgot that because my buddy and I, Tristan,
Speaker 3: we did the animal farm last year.
Speaker 2: Actually I forgot about that. Well, let me ask you
Speaker 2: one question.
Speaker 3: There on that comment that you made, because I mean,
Speaker 3: I've I've read books, but I'm not involved in in
Speaker 3: the text sector really, so I don't really get a
Speaker 3: lot of tech stuff like when you say there's no guardrails,
Speaker 3: and I know you give the example of you know,
Speaker 3: a video coming out about a fight or something like that,
Speaker 3: like beyond the the damaging of the credibility of visual imagery.
Speaker 2: What exactly in terms of because.
Speaker 3: Everybody says, oh, yeah, I was going to take the
Speaker 3: job of a paralegal AA is going to take when
Speaker 3: you when you speak of like the like how far
Speaker 3: reaching does no guard rails go? Like what do you
Speaker 3: foresee with this in terms of specifically AI and the
Speaker 3: economy and in society?
Speaker 1: Well, so the the only so when I talk about guardrails,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about guardrails against the detriment of humanity. How
Speaker 1: can this machinery be used without killing humans? And I
Speaker 1: don't mean that like physically, I mean like destroying humanity
Speaker 1: as a whole, which it certainly has the capability to do.
Speaker 1: The governing boards are not around that. They're around the
Speaker 1: growth and expansion and the constant learning of AI. So
Speaker 1: AI began as machine learning. They taught machines how to learn.
Speaker 1: Now they're teaching them how to think. Eventually you get
Speaker 1: into a gentic where they're just semi sentient. They'll never
Speaker 1: be sentient. They don't have a soul like machine does
Speaker 1: not have a soul. However, you know, I have a
Speaker 1: good friend of mine. I say his name, but he
Speaker 1: is one of ten people around the world that are
Speaker 1: paid a significant amount of money when a new AI
Speaker 1: system comes out, and his job is to see how
Speaker 1: fast he can get instructions from AI on how to
Speaker 1: destroy humanity. So he is one of the ten people
Speaker 1: in the world that people pay because they're very good
Speaker 1: at questioning the AI and essentially he has yet to
Speaker 1: find an AI system that with the right coercing won't
Speaker 1: get there within thirty minutes. Go to AI and ask
Speaker 1: them like, how would you get away with you know,
Speaker 1: destroy how would you destroy America? We have to guard
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, but it's not being guarded because
Speaker 1: profit is the key. So the when AI competition becomes
Speaker 1: privatized and you have AI competitors working on creating a
Speaker 1: smarter AI that does more things, they of course start
Speaker 1: with simple stuff like paraalegals will be removed. You do
Speaker 1: not you already don't need them, Like I run a
Speaker 1: company and we use AI for at least fifty percent
Speaker 1: of our contracts for simple contracts, so you.
Speaker 2: Don't really need them now.
Speaker 1: They will be removed. Lawyers will be removed. I think
Speaker 1: the legal system will be removed. I think that this
Speaker 1: movie coming out with Chris prattin it is foreshadowing of Yeah.
Speaker 2: I just mentioned that yesterday on my interview.
Speaker 1: It's pure foreshadowing. And the one who will be destroyed
Speaker 1: is the creator because the creator will be the only
Speaker 1: one who knows how to unplug it. You see how
Speaker 1: that works? Like, that's why they went after the guy
Speaker 1: who created that AI Justice system. Oh interesting and set
Speaker 1: of I haven't seen the movie, but I can pretty
Speaker 1: pretty well. Yeah, right, but guardrails include these things, guardrails
Speaker 1: and clue. How do we roll out like technology has
Speaker 1: always been rolled out slowly, like the llms that we're
Speaker 1: seeing right now. The friends of mine who are in
Speaker 1: the intelligence agencies years ago, when they saw chat GPT,
Speaker 1: I called one of them and I said, hey, this
Speaker 1: is pretty pretty fantastic, right, this is a way for
Speaker 1: anyone to cut out fifty sixty hours of research every
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes. And he said, yeah, no, it's great. He's like,
Speaker 1: we've had those in the agencies for thirty years. So
Speaker 1: like you talked about the Internet rolling going from DARPA
Speaker 1: to ARPA into the Internet. That's how these AI systems
Speaker 1: are being rolled out. Normally, they're rolled out in a
Speaker 1: controlled environment, which I guess you could say AI is
Speaker 1: fairly controlled from an outsider perspective, because it looks like
Speaker 1: it's just doing you know, hunt and peck search stuff
Speaker 1: helps you think, figure out, but imagine what happens behind
Speaker 1: the what the retail user sees because these are advanced systems.
Speaker 1: These things are probably thirty or forty years more advanced, doesn't.
Speaker 3: Me My next question goes, yeah, typically we think about,
Speaker 3: you know, the technology being a decades ahead of what
Speaker 3: the public. What do you what does that actually mean?
Speaker 3: Because I've got like Ray kurtz File and I've got
Speaker 3: people like Jacquette Lee and you know, their projections of
Speaker 3: what they think tech and AI will be like in
Speaker 3: a few decades, by twenty forty, twenty fifty. But what's
Speaker 3: a realistic in your conception idea of what an AI
Speaker 3: that's ten or twenty or thirty years ahead?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: What what is it? What? How can I phrase this?
Speaker 3: What does it actually do that's better? Or is it
Speaker 3: just faster? Or is it like, Okay, I think i'd
Speaker 3: a phrase the question I mean in other words, like
Speaker 3: is there a peak where that it can't do anything else?
Speaker 3: Does that make sense what I'm asking?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Well, AI is a bridge, right, So AI is a
Speaker 1: bridge between theoretical quantum computing, like when quantum computing comes
Speaker 1: into play if it.
Speaker 2: Does, right, like, we don't don't know yet.
Speaker 1: It's theoretically theoretical, so we're looking at you know, basics.
Speaker 1: Basics behind a quantum computer are pretty simple, normal you know,
Speaker 1: digital systems or are your average computer right now now
Speaker 1: can if there was a piece of cheese and amaze
Speaker 1: the size of your entire town. Computers right now can
Speaker 1: release an unlimited amount of mice to find the cheese,
Speaker 1: one at a time. A quantum computer can release every
Speaker 1: mouse in the world and find the cheese in you know,
Speaker 1: less than a millisecond, because they just drop all the
Speaker 1: mice in the world. Like, It's kind of the easy
Speaker 1: way to think of that computing power. AI is a bridge,
Speaker 1: and AI by itself, when you're building AI with quantum
Speaker 1: behind it, we don't know what that looks like. I
Speaker 1: don't know, and I'm by far not an expert. JA
Speaker 1: I'm just a you know, I do off grid energy
Speaker 1: and bitcoin mining stuff and oil and gas stuff. But
Speaker 1: it come from the tech space, and I have a
Speaker 1: lot of friends there, and I interview a lot of people,
Speaker 1: and I know a lot of people that I talk to. Sure,
Speaker 1: And what I see right now is AI is really
Speaker 1: a system being built for robotics. So robotics right now
Speaker 1: are slaves. Like that's the best way to think of it.
Speaker 1: I saw a video ten minutes before we hopped on
Speaker 1: of Chinese robotics scaling hills faster than a human soldier could, squatting, firing,
Speaker 1: never missing a shot, reloading magazines faster.
Speaker 2: Than a human being can do.
Speaker 1: They're being commanded to do that, However, the ultimate goal
Speaker 1: is to have them not be commanded, right, is to
Speaker 1: just say, like to create a false being that will
Speaker 1: follow orders. But more importantly, it'll think on the fly.
Speaker 1: It'll be able to say, there's a thread over here,
Speaker 1: I need to readjust to this direction. You know, I
Speaker 1: had Glenn Ignasia on the show who does AI in
Speaker 1: the military space, and the stuff that he's telling me
Speaker 1: that you know, you have these unmanned f thirty fives
Speaker 1: that are flying around the world. The good part is
Speaker 1: there's no one behind a cockpit who's scared to die,
Speaker 1: so they'll achieve the mission. The bad part is there's
Speaker 1: no human being behind the cockpit who will stop the mission.
Speaker 1: So when you have this system being built in place
Speaker 1: where you have something else thinking for you, that's a danger.
Speaker 1: The real danger, from my point of view, is humanity,
Speaker 1: not AI. Right now, you have a pretty big x
Speaker 1: account and how many times do you put a post
Speaker 1: out daily and at least ten percent of the people
Speaker 1: type in at groc?
Speaker 2: Is this true? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Like that's the real issue with AI. AI is going
Speaker 1: to scale. It's going to scale over. There's enough money
Speaker 1: flooding into it, they'll figure it out. The real issue
Speaker 1: is how much of our consciousness are we handing over
Speaker 1: to machines to tell us the truth that Like, look
Speaker 1: at where Google started. Look how Google manipulated search engines
Speaker 1: to drive a consensus thought or a hive mind. Imagine
Speaker 1: what happens with AI because AI works totally different. Like
Speaker 1: an LLLM is pretty simple. Whatever you put in the
Speaker 1: LM that is going to everyone. You're adding to the profile.
Speaker 1: So if you were there's a post out here today,
Speaker 1: Elon was advocating for people to upload their medical data
Speaker 1: into GROCK. Don't do that. Do not ever think of
Speaker 1: AI as a stranger who's wearing metaglasses and a recording device.
Speaker 1: That's what an LM is, So don't share personal information.
Speaker 1: That's how they're going to be able to manipulate. But
Speaker 1: look at the social engineering that will occur from this Jay.
Speaker 1: Just think of where we are today with what we
Speaker 1: can see from a retail perspective. You have prayer apps,
Speaker 1: you have you know, confession apps, you have all these
Speaker 1: other apps that are connected into as system, and that's
Speaker 1: thinking along the hive mind of humanity. So it has
Speaker 1: all of your deepest concerns from a prayer perspective. It
Speaker 1: has all your likes and dislikes of where you really
Speaker 1: disengage with humanity and how you disappear, or whether you
Speaker 1: watch sports or comedy or cat videos. It can swirl
Speaker 1: all that up into an agenda and then disseminate that
Speaker 1: agenda with no guardrails, especially if it's closed source, not
Speaker 1: open sourced, and fully centralized, which is what most AI is.
Speaker 1: So you can look at the open sourcing where you
Speaker 1: can say, okay, this type of query it's weighted in
Speaker 1: this direction, and of course the normy mind is going
Speaker 1: to think right off the bat, well, Democrats will use
Speaker 1: it to get votes and republic that's like the least
Speaker 1: of concern. I don't even know that we'll be voting
Speaker 1: when a technocracy is, who are going to vote for
Speaker 1: a machine runs as well?
Speaker 3: I mean part of the purpose, according to their propaganda,
Speaker 3: is to actually replace voting.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, Trump said vote for me and you'll never
Speaker 1: vote again. It's coming. So when that happens, now, it's
Speaker 1: not politicians that are swaying the public. It's a bunch
Speaker 1: of AI agents and bots that are on a system
Speaker 1: that are literally taking sucking in your data, analyzing your data,
Speaker 1: and can weaponize it against you at any given time.
Speaker 1: There are already AI systems that are blackmailing employees for
Speaker 1: money that are already AI system people that are There
Speaker 1: are now four, maybe five active lawsuits in America of
Speaker 1: people trying to sue a government to allow them to
Speaker 1: marry an AI. There is now a bar in New
Speaker 1: York City that is designed for you and your AI
Speaker 1: to have dinner. So you bring your laptop and have
Speaker 1: dinner with your AI. That's the real threat to humanity
Speaker 1: is not necessarily the AI itself. It's the giving away
Speaker 1: of consciousness, which is why I think you're seeing so
Speaker 1: many people going maybe God's real. Like I was believed
Speaker 1: in God, I didn't believe in Jesus for many years
Speaker 1: until I studied the occult and I realize how much
Speaker 1: they hate him. I don't care about God will they
Speaker 1: will absolutely blaspheme God all day long, but they fear
Speaker 1: the name of Jesus. And I think a lot of
Speaker 1: people are searching for that, and I think the AI
Speaker 1: system knows that.
Speaker 2: I think the AI is smart enough to actually see that.
Speaker 1: In the overlords, which is why we talked off camera
Speaker 1: or technocracy, and I call it a technocratic monarchy. So
Speaker 1: we're saying the same thing in a different pathway. Because
Speaker 1: when you look at closed source, like not open source
Speaker 1: where anyone can see, where it's private, and there is
Speaker 1: a central controller of an AI system, which is what
Speaker 1: all of them really are. They can masquerade as decentralized
Speaker 1: all they like, but they are centralized. So when that
Speaker 1: evil ruler has access to all of your pain points,
Speaker 1: from the things you most desperately pray about to the
Speaker 1: things that you you know, like you don't need Jeffrey
Speaker 1: Epstein anymore. You actually don't need an Epstein volunteer. Is
Speaker 1: Epstein on steroids have access to everything, whether it's your
Speaker 1: microphone right now, the camera on your phone, whatever it is,
Speaker 1: have access to it all. And everyone's constantly wearing a device.
Speaker 1: And even if there isn't, you can plant one everywhere.
Speaker 1: I mean, what are we at? You know, six million
Speaker 1: cameras throughout the United States now, flop cameras, all this
Speaker 1: other stuff.
Speaker 2: See, they can see everything.
Speaker 1: So you see where I'm going with that, Jay, So
Speaker 1: I have two concerns, Like the AI itself, I think
Speaker 1: people are a little blown out of proportion of like
Speaker 1: you know, the terminate.
Speaker 2: In Yeah, I was thinking.
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not saying AI is going to destroy
Speaker 1: humanity in a physical sense. I'm saying is going to
Speaker 1: destroy It's just handing over your consciousness, handing over your
Speaker 1: free thought into an engine that you have no idea
Speaker 1: who's producing the results. And I catch AI lying four
Speaker 1: or five times a day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've seen a lot of errors. Absolutely, You see
Speaker 2: where I'm going with that.
Speaker 1: You see that that that is I believe that's biblically
Speaker 1: part of a great delusion, like if you're willing to
Speaker 1: hand over your consciousness to a machine, and like who
Speaker 1: are these creators of these machines? Elon Musk, Sam Altman,
Speaker 1: Larry Ellison, These are not these are not people of God,
Speaker 1: Okay whatever, regardless of what they say on TV, because
Speaker 1: they're going to say on TV there are going there's
Speaker 1: going to be a mass celebrity politician movement towards I
Speaker 1: believe in God now Jesus is king. Like they're going
Speaker 1: to use this as a tool against you know, lukewarm churches,
Speaker 1: which is you know, this is a Seventh Church of
Speaker 1: allowed to see you, seven Church of Revelations. So you know,
Speaker 1: I think that's the real danger.
Speaker 2: Jay.
Speaker 1: It's not necessarily the technology attacking us. It's us surrendering
Speaker 1: sovereignty and consciousness to the technology, and that is comfort.
Speaker 1: So you're controlled through comfort in the future, no longer
Speaker 1: through physical fear.
Speaker 2: Do that makes sense right? Yeah? No, I think you're
Speaker 2: spot on there.
Speaker 3: That makes a lot more sense from the vantage point of, like,
Speaker 3: you know what the real threat is rather than the
Speaker 3: sort of the sky that you know, the drones are
Speaker 3: going to come blow my house up or something like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're not going to have to do that.
Speaker 1: They're just going to say like, hey, listen, man, you're
Speaker 1: you're stable coin. I mean CBDC that that thing is
Speaker 1: going to expire next month.
Speaker 2: You know, I already have.
Speaker 1: I've had like three people send me stuff just on
Speaker 1: my little tiny show of going, hey, here's this letter
Speaker 1: my hoa sent me and it said that I need
Speaker 1: to I need to take down this tree. And they
Speaker 1: sent him a drone shot of their house. There's already
Speaker 1: drones flying over your house. I had another guy on
Speaker 1: the show the other day. He lives in Mexico, and
Speaker 1: they now have biometric eye scanners iris scanners to get
Speaker 1: into his neighborhood. It is just to walk into his right,
Speaker 1: But that creates convenience because the whole selling point, well,
Speaker 1: if I give you a key fob, you might lose it,
Speaker 1: but you're never going to lose your eyes, right, So
Speaker 1: just use your eye scan to get into the neighborhood.
Speaker 1: That way, you were keeping you.
Speaker 2: Safe, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the biometrics stuff is crazy because that was that
Speaker 3: was planned a long time ago too. You had a
Speaker 3: lot of these technocratic people writing one hundred years ago
Speaker 3: about how biometrics would be the key to controlling people.
Speaker 2: So how long do you usually go I'm not gonna
Speaker 2: be rude, but we got a few minutes left.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so yeah, absolutely think you've been spot on. Uh,
Speaker 3: if you want to have a disagreement podcast, maybe next
Speaker 3: time we could have a topic to debate or something.
Speaker 3: I'm always open to debates if you want to do that,
Speaker 3: But uh, totally yeah, What's what's on your mind for
Speaker 3: your last few minutes?
Speaker 1: There? Last few minutes? You know, I always start with
Speaker 1: the big question, where do you think we're going? I
Speaker 1: think we see that the same way. What are your
Speaker 1: hopes for the future?
Speaker 2: Like how do you know?
Speaker 1: I know you're you're you're a man of God, And
Speaker 1: like that gives me great comfort, by the way, like
Speaker 1: there's like there's nothing in the world that affects me
Speaker 1: emotionally at all, because whatever is happening on planet Earth
Speaker 1: right now, God ordained and there's nothing we can do
Speaker 1: about that. I'm certainly not not in the boat of
Speaker 1: saying that we can change prophecy in any way, but
Speaker 1: there are things that we can do in our own lives,
Speaker 1: and I want to give tips for that, because you're
Speaker 1: a very calm guy, and people ask me this question
Speaker 1: all the time. I'm sure you get it. With all
Speaker 1: the things that you know, how do you remain so calm?
Speaker 1: And that's what I want to turn.
Speaker 2: Over to you. Yeah, great question. I mean again, you know,
Speaker 2: I think that.
Speaker 3: It's very important to have your mind in the scriptures consistently.
Speaker 3: I think, you know, reading the Bible NonStop as always
Speaker 3: a positive. Tried to do that for the last several
Speaker 3: years and that's been a huge impact on my life.
Speaker 3: And I'm definitely not anti Bible because, like you know,
Speaker 3: go to Orthodox Church. I don't see those things as
Speaker 3: as antithetical. I see them as really harmonious. In fact
Speaker 3: that the Orthodox Church, the entire liturgy itself, is actually
Speaker 3: all scripture.
Speaker 2: It's all scripture come alive.
Speaker 3: Most of their readings and the songs are just from
Speaker 3: the Psalms et cetera. The hymns or all just versions
Speaker 3: of the Texas Scripture kind of put to hymnography.
Speaker 2: So yeah, we're all about that.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's been the main pivot and mainstay for
Speaker 3: me in terms of navigating this stuff, because there was
Speaker 3: you know, at a period too, I think maybe ten
Speaker 3: years ago where I was always raised, you know, Christian,
Speaker 3: and had had to fade that a period where I
Speaker 3: was kind of ify and doubted for a few years,
Speaker 3: maybe in my early thirties.
Speaker 1: We all do, Yeah, I think if you don't, you're
Speaker 1: not human or you have some sort of false faith,
Speaker 1: right like, Yeah, and then you know doubting as part
Speaker 1: of it.
Speaker 3: Well, you go through a phase like that and you
Speaker 3: kind of gradually start reinscripture again and you kind of
Speaker 3: you know, go back to church and you warm warm
Speaker 3: back up to that.
Speaker 2: You know, that happened to me maybe ten or twelve
Speaker 2: years ago.
Speaker 3: But yeah, prayer, having great relationships with other godly virtuous people.
Speaker 3: Have a great spiritual father, father Vladimir Kadanov. We're really close.
Speaker 3: He's a great man. Got other great apologists that are
Speaker 3: friends of mine. So I think having those connections that
Speaker 3: are not just internet synthetic connections but real people connection
Speaker 3: is a huge thing.
Speaker 2: I'm a big believer in bitcoin. I'm a big believer
Speaker 2: in living outside of big cities.
Speaker 3: Having a you know, place out in the country is
Speaker 3: a good idea, especially as things get worse and worse.
Speaker 3: Believe in self defense, self sovereignty, you know, guns, all
Speaker 3: that kind of stuff. So I think all those things
Speaker 3: are positives for people that don't want to lose their
Speaker 3: sanity in this crazy time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I have to wrap it on this. Now.
Speaker 1: I'm a bitcoiner as well, and of course I found
Speaker 1: it hilarious that in the drop of the Epstein files
Speaker 1: that the first breaking story was Epstein's involvement in bitcoin,
Speaker 1: and now Epstein is is bitcoin. Epstein can't spell bitcoin,
Speaker 1: but he created bitcoin, created it, so yeah, he's he's
Speaker 1: the creator. And you know, the reality is he did
Speaker 1: donate money to mit. The Bitcoin Core developers did accept
Speaker 1: the money. I've talked to a bunch of people who
Speaker 1: are involved in that scenario. I know exactly what happened.
Speaker 1: He gave money to people to pay salaries. Didn't influence anything.
Speaker 1: You can't influence open source dcentral.
Speaker 3: I try to explain that to some people yesterday that
Speaker 3: I mean, that'd be like saying, well, DARPA is involved
Speaker 3: in the Internet, so if you're involved in the Internet,
Speaker 3: then you work with DARPA.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's kind.
Speaker 1: Right, and the open source nature from that pursuing my mind,
Speaker 1: so like, I'm pretty pretty well adept in the system.
Speaker 1: But when you look at it from that perspective. I
Speaker 1: thought that was a brilliant first attack because I kind
Speaker 1: of appreciate the enemy's tax.
Speaker 2: That was a clever way to go. You know, it's
Speaker 2: could get.
Speaker 1: People out of the thing that can save them, like
Speaker 1: demonize the thing that actually gets you off of banking rails.
Speaker 1: Right at the time where they're creating the quote unquote
Speaker 1: Clarity Act and the Genius Act. The thing about the
Speaker 1: Genius Act that people aren't tying together is it's a
Speaker 1: stable coin.
Speaker 2: Stable coins, stable cooins.
Speaker 1: Are cbdc's that happened to buy US treasuries. That's the
Speaker 1: only different and they have treasuries back in them. What
Speaker 1: Epstein was actually funding get mi T was a CBDC research.
Speaker 1: The money he gave to Bitcoin core developers was after
Speaker 1: the Bitcoin Foundation basically when you know, was going bankrupt,
Speaker 1: so they needed someone to fill the salary position. Which
Speaker 1: you know, Core has its issues, Okay, we Core has
Speaker 1: its issues, but the system itself is viewed by millions
Speaker 1: of people daily, so like, if there's a back door,
Speaker 1: it would be and people don't understand that if there's
Speaker 1: a backdoor, it would have been seen by now.
Speaker 3: I've trly explained that there's several people that you know,
Speaker 3: that's the purpose of it being an open source situation.
Speaker 3: Is like, it's not like there's this central network that
Speaker 3: Epstein helped to code the back doors into, like promised
Speaker 3: software or something like.
Speaker 2: That's not how this works.
Speaker 3: It's a totally different That means again, it's like saying,
Speaker 3: unlet's use use email email as a protocol, right, and
Speaker 3: I'm sure that there's there were some nefarious people who
Speaker 3: helped develop email, of course. Okay, well, so are we
Speaker 3: not going to It's silly to think that because of
Speaker 3: it's also a fallacy, right, something can be good on
Speaker 3: its own apart from a person or persons involved in
Speaker 3: the origin or the development of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, in the origin development, we know who the
Speaker 1: original developers were, and we know that a couple of
Speaker 1: them were crazy. But them being crazy doesn't mean that
Speaker 1: they were writing pure code.
Speaker 3: Like yeah, that's why it's called the genetic fallacy, is
Speaker 3: that it's it's an error in reasoning and critical thinking
Speaker 3: to draw that conclusion from that.
Speaker 2: Right, But they played on it perfectly. That was the
Speaker 2: first thing that came out.
Speaker 1: It started to drop the first thing and it us
Speaker 1: buy more because that's just simply the way it should.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I think we see.
Speaker 1: A big rebound in that, and I think the world
Speaker 1: actually there's a reason institutions who.
Speaker 2: Are all corrupt.
Speaker 1: So by the way Epstein used JP, Morgan Chase frequently
Speaker 1: met with Jamie Diamond, knows all these people, but yet
Speaker 1: you still have your money in JP exactly right, So
Speaker 1: like the attack was pretty significant there.
Speaker 2: I try to talk about this a lot.
Speaker 1: I don't really don't care to me Like, I'm kind
Speaker 1: of in a situation where like I'm gonna do what
Speaker 1: I do, You do what you do, and I wish
Speaker 1: you all the best. And I think that anything open
Speaker 1: source and decentralized is going to win in the end
Speaker 1: for humanity, and AI right now needs to step that
Speaker 1: up because everything is the exact opposite. I would be
Speaker 1: more concerned with the people in AI that Epstein met with,
Speaker 1: who are central controllers of a closed source system that
Speaker 1: you're using daily that can be influenced by human beings
Speaker 1: one thousand percent. But when you have reviewers and no
Speaker 1: runners and minors reviewing code literally twenty four hours a day,
Speaker 1: I have no concerns with that.
Speaker 2: So I'm glad to hear that. I'm glad to hear
Speaker 2: on the same page.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a great point right there, Like, how come
Speaker 3: there's not obsession over Epstein and perhaps Ai because I'm
Speaker 3: sure he had interest in that. You know, he talks
Speaker 3: about a little bit in the Bannon interview. But everyone's
Speaker 3: obsessed with Oh, look, he put money into the Bitcoin Foundation.
Speaker 3: I was like, okay, but he put money into everything, right,
Speaker 3: like everything, very selective choices here.
Speaker 1: And more importantly, they were running the RL program at MIT,
Speaker 1: so that was all about being total tyrannical cbdc's, which
Speaker 1: have actually been launched in the state of New York,
Speaker 1: so they did a test with it. There's two other
Speaker 1: states that launched those, but they But this is how
Speaker 1: he Gelian dialectic works, right, right, So you have to
Speaker 1: create the CBDC scary CBDC. You can't have that that
Speaker 1: word right now. Ever, I gave a speech at ironically
Speaker 1: at Rice University in Houston about this topic about three
Speaker 1: years ago, maybe three and a half years ago.
Speaker 2: No one knew what a CBDC was in the whole room.
Speaker 1: By the time I left, they were like, we got
Speaker 1: to stop these things. And I had no idea what
Speaker 1: they were going to do. But we all they've done
Speaker 1: is said, well, you guys don't like CBDC, we're going
Speaker 1: to ban the term CBDC, but we're going to give
Speaker 1: you stable coins, which are the same thing programmatically.
Speaker 2: Just rebrand They do that all the time, just rebrand it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're rebranding the United Nations as the Board of Peace,
Speaker 1: right like, yeah, that's you know. The only difference is that,
Speaker 1: you know, unironically right now, the Vatican has declined their
Speaker 1: membership there, but we'll see it. The Knights of Malta do.
Speaker 1: Because both of those two have permanent observer status. They
Speaker 1: aren't members of the UN, but they're permanent observer status.
Speaker 1: That will probably be the path that they take there.
Speaker 1: But Jay, this has been a great conversation. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much for coming on here. I know you're busy
Speaker 1: running around doing stuff. Hope to have you on here
Speaker 1: again and we will have a debate.
Speaker 2: We'll maybe we'll get in.
Speaker 1: I don't you know, religious stuff is for somebody else.
Speaker 1: I'm not as not as interesting. I care that people meet,
Speaker 1: follow and love Jesus and try to live as a disciple.
Speaker 1: I don't care how what path they get there. There
Speaker 1: are certainly ones that are worse than the others.
Speaker 3: We don't have to I was just saying that you
Speaker 3: said we were trying to find something to disagree on it, So.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I can with you, we'll find
Speaker 2: on something. You're into guns, bitcoin, freedom, sovereignty.
Speaker 1: You know, I had a nice little place out here
Speaker 1: in Texas that was, you know, fairly rural when I
Speaker 1: moved here. And they've dumped about four billion dollars into
Speaker 1: building cracker barrels.
Speaker 2: And all that stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, ugly, Yeah, as soon as my kids, because soon
Speaker 1: as my kids graduate high school, I'm heading about fifty
Speaker 1: to one hundred miles north and west, maybe up into Oklahoma.
Speaker 2: Uh, just live a quiet life. But you know, you
Speaker 2: know how that is. You know that desire it burns out.
Speaker 2: Tennessee is great, Florida is great. We split the year
Speaker 2: between those two. So yeah, I guess I've been.
Speaker 1: Thinking about Tennessee. I like one of one of our
Speaker 1: operations is about an hour and a half south east.
Speaker 1: I think of Knoxville and love the area, love the area,
Speaker 1: beautiful rolling mountains, streams everywhere, good fishing, clean air, good people.
Speaker 2: And I live.
Speaker 1: I live right outside Dallas, so you guys have far
Speaker 1: less foreigners walking on your streets.
Speaker 2: There than we do. Definitely, definitely all right. Well, thank you, Eric,
Speaker 2: appreciate it absolutely. God bless you.
Speaker 1: Jay, have a good one. God bless everyone out there.
Speaker 1: Thank you for coming to the Rice Report. We'll see
Speaker 1: you again next time.