Speaker 1: Like you don't need Jeffrey Epstein anymore. You actually don't
need an Epstein volunteer. Is Epstein on steroids. They will
control you through comfort as opposed through fear. Eighty percent
of the population will rush to it. All right, and
welcome back to the Rice Report, everybody, Thank you so
much for being here. As always, this is the place
where we talk about the things you're not supposed to money, politics, religion,
and today we're going to go into some different sectors
of the world that most people have zero education on,
and we're going to try to bring some light into
the darkness of the abyss of ignorance that exists in
America today. We live in a very naive society that
tends to trend towards trusting without verifying. And I think
that's a very important topic to talk about today. And
today's guest Jay Dire.
Speaker 2: Many of you will know him.
Speaker 1: He's been all over the place, author, show, host, podcast,
He's done just about everything out there, a great name
out in the space. And I know that because he
has enemies. When people have enemies, it generally means they're
over target. I don't take sides on things I call
balls and strikes Jay As I'm sure you've heard from
everyone else before coming on the show. I want to
get into many different topics today, So we're going to
rush right through the intro and we're going to go
right into where you see the world going? Aside, I'm
trying to start all of my interviews with that basic
sentence like where do you see the world going?
Speaker 2: Because it's completely chaotic?
Speaker 3: So what do you think, Jane, Yeah, I think we're
seeing a breakdown of the norms and the ideas that
we've had from the boomer mindset of you know, the
previous generations and they kind of they're still in power,
so to speak, but the Boomers are kind of moving out.
But I think that all of that time frame, all
that mindset is beginning to break. I think certain things
in the mainstream media were sort of key pivotal issues.
I'm going to sidestep the Big nine event back in
two thousand and one, but more recently, I think twenty
sixteen was a huge one because a man was declared
to be by the mainstream media the woman of the Year,
and so I think that forced a lot of people
who believed in the establishment in the system to sort
of come to a fork in the road to decide
am I going to leave the system, the establishment, or
am I going to realize that it's lying to me?
Because if I choose the option that it's lying to me,
that means that I may have been lied about to
about everything. Right, So, I think a lot of people
had their minds broken. Then I think the twenty twenty
koof Cough event, that that event was a huge syop
that broke the minds, especially of the boomers and others
and the left pretty hardcore. And then I think the
push for technocracy, which has been around for a long time,
but especially ramping up post COVID and all that, I
think that has further broken a lot of people's minds
and forced them to either wake up to more and
more truth or go deeper and deeper into delusion and
accept deception or maybe even what Thessalonians calls the strong delusion.
I'm not necessarily saying that we're in the end of
the world. I don't know that could be, but regardless,
God does send as a chastisement of time strong delusions,
and I think we're definitely seeing people willingly believing and
going into just absolute insanity because they would rather, as
you know John three says, go to the light, right,
Darkness prefers to stay.
Speaker 2: Out of the light because it doesn't want its deeds
to be exposed.
Speaker 3: So I think they would rather believe lies, and that
has led to a winnowing. The population is getting sort
of radically polarized between people who have some sense of
good and then people are just going more and more
into evil. Long story short, I think we're going to
see more and more breakdown of things. I think the
Fiat money will continue to collapse, so the economy will collapse.
Speaker 2: I think people are going to continue to engage in degenerate, disgusting.
Speaker 3: Activities try to push that on a population, particularly things
like what we've seen in the Epstein files with younger
and younger people.
Speaker 2: They'll probably try to normalize that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: I think there'll be more of a push for centralization
of technocratic stuff. On my channel, we've covered technocracy from
a historical perspective, going back through a lot of the
books of the technocrafts like ag Wells and Verse and Russell,
and the push for that kind of a socialist order
of the future. So I think unfortunately that's where we're going.
But I'm not black pilled. I don't think that it's
all bad. There's a lot of great positive things happening
at the same time too. A lot of people are
turning to Orthodoxtrictianity, which I represent that I think that's
the right form of Christianity. And there was just one
church I noticed in a post today in North Carolina,
and they had just this year they had like two
hundred and fifteen new catech humans, which for the Orthodox
Church is big. So we've seen a lot of people
moving in that direction. And obviously it's not just Orthodox,
the other you know churches that at least adhere to
publicly conservative traditional ideas people are turning to that.
Speaker 2: I'm not talking about Tepusa. I'm just I'm saying.
Speaker 3: People are searching for you know, reality and real tradition,
and so that's a good sign. So there's a good
to have bad happening. But I think the push is
for technocracy for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's unavoidable to see that. And on
the other hand, you also have the you know, false
Golden Age promises of First Thessalonians, so those are kind
of both playing out at the same time again, I
don't know when the end of the world is coming out.
I actually don't really care to be honest with you.
I'm I'm on the welcoming committee, not the planning committee.
And when you look at it from that perspective, I
actually think that this time period right now is they
are using that search. I put a post out earlier
today with Don Haffines who said, you know, yeah, yeah,
I bought Zoro ranch from Epstein, but you know, I'm
converting into a Christian retreat center for the youth. Like
who in the world would send their kids to this
Christian retreat center that had demonic child molestation and murders
happenings on its property.
Speaker 2: But people are well, they'll see that, right.
Speaker 1: So there is a there is a couple of generations
now that are completely starving for some sort of spirituality
in their life because they've been brought up in a
completely atheistic, dark, communistic environment where there has been the leanings.
And I think that leads us into you you represent Orthodoxy.
I don't I represent Biblical Christianity. I don't think any
institutions are greater than the other. I think they all
have issues, just like everything else. And I think that
that you know, you find Christ through Christ, and that
is that is kind of the home of it. We'll
get into that topic if you want to, or if
you don't want to, it doesn't matter to me. But
at the same time, I think that that starvation of
spiritual nourishment that people have been looking for is part
of this technocracy movement. I really think it's a huge
part of it. Why all of a sudden did the
floo And of course you can go back to Isaiah
forty five to seven. I control the light in the darkness,
right like God. God controls these things at the end.
But when you see these when you see these movements
that are happening right now, where you have an entire
generation of kids who you know, twenty years ago, the
last thing you get a kid to do is go
to church, regardless of the church. And now they're flooding
the pews, which is a good thing, right, It's a
good thing. I want young people to find spirituality and God,
but I want them to read their Bibles.
Speaker 2: I want them to pray.
Speaker 1: I don't want them to just sit and listen to
pulpits or go through rituals and that's just my perspective,
but it's a good thing. Now that also provides, you know,
a sign of weakness for society where people will maybe
focus too much on that and not on the underlying
technocracy that's being embedded. I know, you know the history
of Palenteer as well as anyone. I mean, you're looking
at a complete CIA operation that said, hey, listen, we
can create this spyware.
Speaker 2: It's going to be great. Go to Congress.
Speaker 1: Congress says, yeah, I don't think the public would like this,
So why don't you just remain a private company. We'll
go ahead and funnel taxpayer dollars into INKU. Tell, well,
make sure you have those to build it out. And
now when people realize, wow, you've had more funding to
create a digital prison around us, we'll go ahead and
take it public so that we can feed everyone's greed
and they won't not acknowledge that this is a bad
thing because they're all making money with the stock. Like
these are the real things that are happening right now.
Society talks a lot about a lot of things that
like I don't care about the transgender issue. I mean,
it's kind of goes back to the old theory of
discernment isn't knowing the difference between writing wrong. Everyone can
see that, it's the difference between right and almost right.
And that's really where the confusion occurs, is that almost
right perspective. So in this technocracy movement, I've gone through
the technique a few times on this show also, But
you want to give a brief history of how we
got here from Basically, it was nineteen thirty three, nineteen
thirty fours when the movement began until today.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a it was a older movement.
Speaker 3: Some of the original thinkers come out of Canada, and
they have loose associations with I think with Elon's granddad
or something like that, perhaps his dad.
Speaker 2: Forget forget the exactly lineage.
Speaker 3: But yeah, what we did was to try to go
to some of the thinkers that were the formative writers
on this subject. So for example, I think the first
time I came across this was many years ago, maybe
Patrick Woods books, and he just did a book with
one of our friends, Courtney Turner, on technocracy. But so yeah,
this this movement was kind of fringe. It wasn't seen
as anything atial. But I would argue even prior to
official technocracy, you had another movement that was equally as
important that would kind of also synthesize whether and that's
the Fabian Socialists in the late eighteen hundreds in the UK,
and they were many of them were actually rabid Satanists. Explicitly,
they were into very degenerate forms of art, and they
understood the power of brutalizing the culture they were pushing
for well, I won't say what type of art here,
but all the way back in Victorian England.
Speaker 2: So they thought that would kind of be a.
Speaker 3: What they call aesthetic terrorism, a way to brutalize the
population through art, and then that brutalization could then move
the scale of or the over the window of how
people viewed the world in society, and they intentionally wanted
it to be a removal of any notion of Christianity
whatsoever in England. And then they also believed in the
necessity to bring Islam into into the UK as another
way to change the demographics and the belief of England,
and that they were very successful in that strategy, and
later on some of them became more and more specific
devotees of technocracy. So when you read nineteen eighty four
Orwell is actually describing the ideology of the English Fabian socialists,
hence ing soak English socialism.
Speaker 2: Socialism and some of those.
Speaker 3: Key thinkers that are touted by the establishment as the
most important thinkers of the nineteen twentieth century, like Bertran
Russell and HG. Wells, were amazingly open in their books.
There's another guy named Lord Birkenhead from the same circles
and same societies who wrote an essay and Cosmopolitan back
in around nineteen twenty twenty eight. And so this before
Brave New World, and this is before a lot of
you know, ystopian literature that we think about from that
time period. And he said, save this because in one
hundred years you'll have test tube babies, you'll have surveillance everywhere,
screens will be talking at you. So it's a famous
prophetic essay that he wrote.
Speaker 2: But long story short, that ideology gain it's really creepy too.
Its creepy that ideology gain traction.
Speaker 3: And you had more and more wealthy, powerful people seeing
the importance of technology for the future and where society
was going to be more structured around AI and tech.
Speaker 2: In fact, even in the nineteen sixties.
Speaker 3: There's a middle chapter of Quickley's Tragy and Hope where
he talks about the future society will all be run
by giant AI supercomputers. So even in the nineteen sixties
they kind of had that figured out or planned, I
guess you could say. And then another book that I
covered was any Jacobsen's Giant History of Darpa and Darpa
is where the Internet comes from, is really called ARPA,
and then Arpa Net, Darpa Net, et cetera, and then
just Internet.
Speaker 2: So they created this out.
Speaker 3: Of the time of the Cold War when they wanted
cryptographic communication that the Soviets couldn't break.
Speaker 2: And then ended up becoming the Internet.
Speaker 3: But they realized, I think also that this could be
a huge It would revolutionize the future to have the
Internet and to have everybody linked in. And they even
talked about the global brain back then. So you had
even sci fi writers sixties, yeah, yeah, and even before
that with Asimov Cameraph he was writing the forties or fifties.
But Asimov talked about global brain and basically Google type
stuff in the Foundation series.
Speaker 2: So you know, I think the elites, Arthur C.
Speaker 3: Clark too, you know, they they had these ideas about
where they wanted to take the future in ah she
Wells is obviously probably the most famous of those because
he was writing all that fiction that was propaganda at
the same time as writing all these other books called
New World Order. He was a high level of Freemason.
He was a high level committed Marxist socialist. And he
wrote another book called Open Conspiracy. And really those two books,
if you just wanted like one or two easy reads
for understanding the whole New World Order technocracy, you can't
beat Open Conspiracy and New World Order by Wells.
Speaker 2: And he was the mouthpiece for these people.
Speaker 3: So fast forward to today, you know, as we get
up into the seventies, Brezenski writes a very important book
called Between Two Ages and nineteen seventy one or two,
and the subtitle is the Technic Technic Technotronic Era. And
so he's talking about how we will move into a
future totally unlike anything in the world's ever seen. We'll
have everything from weather modification to genetic modification to Internet
of Things, satellite integration of everything into one whole sort
of beast ish system. And that is yeah, that caught
the attention of Henry Kissinger when he read the book
and he told David Rockefler said, we need to make
a committee just for this guy.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: So they created the Trial Outar Commission for Brezenski to
run and to.
Speaker 2: Get that up to today.
Speaker 3: Lo and behold, as we learn from the Epstein Band
and inner view, Epstein at age thirty was put on
the steering committee of the Trilateral Commission by the Kissinger
circles and to be directly under David Rockefeller. So there's
a direct link from that to Epstein, and that explains
why so much of the Epstein side projects that he
was into with the MIT people and with the Zoro
ranch was a lot of you know, transhumanist ideology, so
they believe in transhumanism. Technocracy directly plays into that. You
mentioned the trans moving a minute ago. We've been arguing
for a long time over on my side that trans
stuff is really another way to prep people, especially young people,
for accepting transhumanism.
Speaker 2: So that's the whole goal here that began in the
seventies as well. Yep.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the whole movement has like the word trans or
the prefix trans has been used multiple times since the seventies.
Really wasn't an issue, wasn't a prefix that people use.
Then you got into transformers, right, more than meets the.
Speaker 2: Eye a little bit a good point.
Speaker 1: It can change from one thing into another car to
a robot and all these little tiny implement implementations of
mind control that have come in.
Speaker 2: HG.
Speaker 1: Wells is a significant figure in that. In that measure,
you know, let's tie that into Epstein. I think that
you're going on the right path here because the technocracy
by itself, first of all, I don't think anything stops it.
Speaker 2: I just don't.
Speaker 1: I just don't think the world stops the technocratic rollout.
I think it's eighty percent of the population has no idea,
and of the eighty percent, ninety percent of them cheer
it on. They really want a lazy lifestyle, so though
they'll accept any any convenience or any comfort in lieu
of privacy and rights. I mean, that's just been an
obvious play for the last years.
Speaker 2: But let's tie it into Epstein, the Trilateral Commission. I
know you've been going through the files. Some of these
files are hard to read.
Speaker 1: I actually told myself, I'm not learning anything new from this.
It's just proving things that I've been talking about for
eight years, and that actually concerns me. It's almost an
identical match to what we've been saying, the identical the
identical nature. There's no chain of custody for these files.
By the way, we have no idea who made them,
who handled them, whether they're authentic or not. That is
an issue that any any diligent what's the word I'm
looking for here, honorable researcher would note is that there's
no chain of custody. That's a very important thing when
it comes to quote unquote evidence. But let's link this
into Epstein, so technocracy Epstein. The really disturbing stuff here
is not necessarily it's all disturbing.
Speaker 2: I'll be honest, it's all disturbing.
Speaker 1: But the real disturbing stuff here is, you know, the
baby modification, the genetic modifications, the constant thought process behind
how do we modify or utilize human beings. I mean,
everyone's talking about the use of the word goiam. They've
been calling us goiam for thousands of years.
Speaker 2: Guys.
Speaker 1: It's not like a new thing that just popped up.
But you know, what are some of the files you're
seeing right now where you're actually shaking your head.
Speaker 2: You're probably like me.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the stuff coming out. I'm researching some files,
and I'm like, yeah, this is it's just proving what
we've been saying. But that also to me gives me hesitation,
Like why are these files so identical to the existing
conspiracy theories that that never happens usually a new twist
to it or something deeper, we didn't know.
Speaker 2: Where does your head rest with that right now? Jay?
Speaker 3: I think they're legit. I mean I don't mean that
every single thing is legit. I think that there was
a lot of opposition to them coming out, which means
that they didn't want them to be to be released,
and we were given several fake releases and binders of
stuff that had already come out. And yeah, I've been
on this Epstein case for a little while, back to
maybe twenty sixteen. Seventeen was the first time I heard
about it. My publisher publishes Whitney Webb's book, which is
a really good one, specifically volume two, so I think
she did some really good research that's been vindicated. But
I read my first book on ritual abuse back in
two thousand and four, so it's a subject that I've
been aware of and looked at for about twenty two years,
loosely speaking.
Speaker 2: Specifically ritual abuse and that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: So none of that surprises me because a lot of
that was confirmed seen files, and there's many other cases
that have popped up over the years that we've also
looked at and read about and just discussed, like ELM
Guesthouse in the UK, Saviles whole stuff. You know, there's
the next sem call with the Bronfman's, there's you know,
you can just sort of go on the Finder's case,
the Franklin cover up, like you can just go on
on Persidio with Michael Akino. So, uh, you know, I've
known about all that stuff for a long time. McMartin preschool,
Ted Gunnerson, all that stuff I think was legit. I
remember watching Ted Gunnerson lectures on this stuff back when
it was Google video back in like two.
Speaker 2: Thousand and five or so.
Speaker 3: That was kind of an introduction time for that for
this subject matter, which you know, it's very dark, it's
very difficult. So I think, like you said, all of
that's really been kind of vindicated. I think his role
as an attesche not just for David Rockefeller, but for
the Rothchilds has also been vindicated. That was something that
was very contentious.
Speaker 2: I read.
Speaker 3: I read a lot of stuff on the Rothchilds back
in the two thousands, and I remember back then, if
you talked about that, people just lose their they would
lose their minds and go go after you, go crazy
on you. But yeah, specifically, what shocks me and what's
what's surprising isn't so much that kind of stuff, because,
like you said, we knew that, we knew that was
out there. But what has been the first thing that
shot me was I remember because we've we followed it
like every day this week, multiple hours as stuff kind
of dripped out. The first thing that really surprised me
was the nature and scope of his operation, which was
so international. One of the things that everybody's already forgotten.
Like the second day there was a list of like
fifteen heads of states that he had planned to.
Speaker 2: Go meet, so he was all over the globe. He's
almost like.
Speaker 3: A bond villain, like at the level of organized crime
fixer international.
Speaker 2: And I get the impression.
Speaker 3: I know I've said this on a lot of interviews,
but it really is true that when you read, say
Whitney's book, the first several chapters, you get the impression
that he's almost like brought into the Maxwell operation and
taught how to do crime. It's like he's got like
a high, like an advanced degree crime yea, and he
seems better at that.
Speaker 2: Than anything else.
Speaker 3: Like when it comes to him yapping on about philosophy
with Bannon, I don't think he really knew what he
was talking about. When he yaps about technology and AI.
A lot of people who study tech and AI. I'm
not in that domain, but they've told me that it's
just him sounding sounding off, trying to sound smart. He
doesn't really know that stuff, but he doesn't spell palenteer,
so like we know that.
Speaker 2: The space.
Speaker 3: You know, he had some hard time with some words there,
which is kind of funny. And the grammar and all
these emails is terrible.
Speaker 2: Too, but horrible. A lot of people have noticed this,
Like you would.
Speaker 3: Think criminal masterminds would I guess that they don't care
about spelling, right, and then movies they're very eloquent, right,
and they do their villain gloat.
Speaker 2: But anyway, so yeah, that's surprised me. The international scope
of it.
Speaker 3: The extent of it, the full spectrum dominance of it,
because he's involved in everything from funding crypto projects to
funding ideas in video games like Call of Duty. He's
involved in explaining the Vatican banks inner workings to Larry Summers,
who you would think Larry Summers knows that, but apparently
Epstein had to explain.
Speaker 2: That to him. He's involved. He also lived at the Vatican,
according to his assistant. Correct.
Speaker 3: Yes, Oh, that's another thing that we've hit on pretty
hard that nobody else wants to talk about.
Speaker 1: People forget the Rothchilds are the guardians of the papal treasure.
Speaker 2: Also there are the papal bankers. Yes, since the eighteen
thirty bankers of the Vatican.
Speaker 3: First loans were in eighteen thirty two, and significant loans
ever since then. That also explains, by the way, Gladio
and the Vatican Bank stuff, which is a whole other
rabbit trail to go down. But everyone should read Operation Gladio,
by the way, absolutely, it's a great book.
Speaker 2: And then you know Epstein.
Speaker 3: Also, one thing that surprised me was that he seems
to have had a hand almost in a lot of
the big events for the last twenty years. So for example,
the bailouts in Europe, there's those email exchanges where he
was saying, Hey, we're going to be able to profit immensely.
We can go in and buy up everything here in Greece.
That's what our in under Rachild. So that's that's so legit.
And then the other one with Zelensky Ukraine. He's flying
over to the Ukraine a month before Zelenski comes to power,
and then after that, Zelenski's in text messages saying I
need the help of Jeffrey, get me, Jeffrey, I need
to gon salt, need good salting.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: So that surprised me that it was that kind of
like international. A lot of what he says to Bannon
is pretty wild about you know, who's really running things.
That it didn't surprise me to surprise me that they
were that blatant in the way they talked about it.
And then we had another email that's already never forgotten
was the Somalia land email.
Speaker 2: Where he talks to I forget who who he's talking to,
but he's basically.
Speaker 3: Saying, throughout the KO, through all the chaos that will
cause in Somali, we'll be able to go in and
buy it up and renovate it.
Speaker 2: It'll be a.
Speaker 3: Massive, you know, resource treasure house. And that ties in
exactly to the way. For example, Hillary back in her
emails and when when those were leaked and when she
was writing about Libya to the Brookings Institute, Epstein said
the same thing about Libya and Gadafi's gold, like, we're
gonna go in pay to play, take the gold, and
we'll divvy it up to all the people.
Speaker 2: That donate to the Clinton campaign. So it's like a
big racket where.
Speaker 3: Donate to the Clinton campaign, you'll get a cut when
we go in for our foreign interventions into into Libya.
So we saw that with Somalia. That also explains why
we would have so many migrants, I mean, one of
the reasons why I strayed so many migrants displaced anyway,
I'm rambling, but yeah, oh you're not. All the other
things were like massive, you know, not just vindicators, but
but just showing the scope, industrial scale level stuff. I
think was the first thing that surprised me how how
interconnected it was, because I remember twenty sixteen when it
first when I first heard of Jeffrey and all this stuff,
it was maybe maybe it was a report of about
Lolita Express, right, and oh there's this plane and they
fly really rich people and celebrities around.
Speaker 2: And you know, we didn't really have a know about
the Black.
Speaker 3: Bookyet, even though I think Nick Bryant, the journalist that
I'll be on with him tomorrow, like he was the
first one say hi to him.
Speaker 2: I had him on here last week.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was the one gawker that put the Black
Book up, like even before all that. But I didn't
know about the Black Book. And twenty fifteen or sixteen, yeah,
i'd heard of Epstein. I didn't know there was this
book anyway, long story short, Yeah, all of that's been vindicated,
and it just really shows that one of the key
ways to understand how the world works, if you really
want to get into this dark stuff, is to understand
organized crime. Because we did a lot of podcasts and
deep dives into the history of the mafia in the
last century, because I think that's a key window to
understand that because everybody understands the mafia. They understand yeah,
I've seen the Godfather, right, but they don't think about
something like that. Being internationalists, scale they think about it like, oh, well,
that's the guys in you know, New York or Brooklyn
or whatever. There's no international conspiracy of you know, elites, right,
I'm talking about skeptics and people that still are denying
that there's this level of you know, James Bond, Spectorville
and stuff.
Speaker 2: But you can look at the mafia and say, well,
I wait a minute, if.
Speaker 3: It exists at a national level and there's a syndicate
throughout the US of organized crime, why would there not
be possibly a syndicate internationally that operates this exact same way,
and low and behold is true.
Speaker 1: Well, I always tell people I draw the same conclusions there.
I mean, even initiation into the mafia requires you burning
a card of Christ America. Yeah, yeah, you keep your
mouth shut o America. And when you look at that,
the Italians get all the credit for the Jewish mafia
is the most powerful mafia.
Speaker 2: In the world.
Speaker 1: They were the overlords of the Italians, every Italian structure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so my.
Speaker 3: Lucky Luciana went to Mayor Lanski to say, hey, how
do we structure this in the US?
Speaker 2: And that's what was structured. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I always ask people what do you think learned it from?
Speaker 3: All?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Like do you think that mafia just invented the system.
The system is Babylonian nature. It actually goes back thousands
of years, right. You can trace this back to roots
that go very very deep outside the existing borders of
any nation today. And it links back into secret society
type stuff.
Speaker 2: It does.
Speaker 3: It does in fact, and that ties into mafia is
a secret society, like the Mafia's in secret society. And
it's also directly related to intelligence. And there's a great
book that I often refer to that we need to
just do a deep dive just on this book because
it's a really rare historical text. It's a History of
Intelligence Services by Francis de Vornick, and it's going back
to it's a scholarly work, not a conspiracy book. So
it's admitting things from a scholar perspective that in the
ancient world, cults and intelligence agencies were joined at the
hit they were the same. And say, if you go
back to Egypt, pharaoh's spies were the priests and the mailmen.
And it makes sense why mailmen would spies because they're
taking you know, the messages of the king and whatnot. So, uh,
those were the earliest spies of course, obviously prostitutes were
spies as well, even in the ancient world, even in
the Bible, right, I mean you have essentially the spies
going in and Rahab colluding with the Jews right.
Speaker 2: To be saved in that situation.
Speaker 3: So even the Bible teaches us these these basic principles.
Speaker 2: And I did a talk i think last year.
Speaker 3: When my book came out about espionage in the Bible,
and there's when you get into that, it's fascinating because
there's actually a lot of instances that people kind of forget,
especially in the Old test of espionage and spycraft, just
even in scripture. So you know, God wouldn't put that
there if he didn't want us to at least have
some awareness of that of that going on in the world.
But you're absolutely right, in an ancient world, they're directly connected.
Speaker 2: You know. I don't know what to say it than
that that I totally agree.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's almost like you know there, I've been studying
this stuff for like a decade now, and when you
start getting into the ancient esoteric mystery religion, start to
understand where Cabbala comes from, where all these theories come from.
Speaker 2: They're all Satanic in nature. I mean, they're very Antichrist.
Speaker 1: But they are the powers of the world, the powers
that we see, right, they're what we see and don't
see at the same time. But they all follow the
same pattern. And you can look at you know, the
connections between them all. You know, Freemason's Boulets, Illuminati, Jesuits.
The entire system is architected to be interconnected yet look
separate from a part as though they're opposing, but they
work together on all types of stuff. And and Epstein,
in my opinion, was the connector between all of these groups.
He was the go between or the guy that arranged meetings.
Nothing he did was on his behalf. He was serving
someone and everyone appointed to Rockefeller or a Rothschild. But
I don't know that they're actually in charge. I don't,
you know, No one knows. But this mystery religion, this
Babylonian cult nature where they're practicing power on earth. I
think one of the things that I've talked about, and
I'm sure that you've read into this as well. You know,
probably eight years ago I really got law it's where
that's where I found Christ. But I got really lost
in this rabbit hole of trying to figure out why
in the world people would hurt these kids, like why
would you kidnap kids, sexually assault them, murder them, eat them,
you know, all this kind of stuff super dark. I
actually don't advise many people to do it, especially if
you don't have faith. I advise you to stay away
from it. But when you start doing this, you start
realizing that what they're doing is sacrificing the innocence of
a child two demons like that is what they are doing.
They're sacrificing the in because only those of childlike faith
will enter the gates of heaven. So they're stealing away
their innocence for earthly power. And people will equate that
to blackmail, and they'll equate it to you know, having
what's the word that they use, collateral on each other.
But the reality, that's the earthly part of it. The
reality is these people actually are far more religious than
any of you watching this show, and they believe things
in the opposite direction, and they will absolutely give their
life for this ancient esoteric mystery religion, which is Satanism.
So when you're looking at the stuff with the how
do you tie in the kids? People will always say, well,
they're looking for collateral in these people. They want to
have a video or at least a know how, a
tattle tale to use against them. Sure, certainly that's that's
for the for the power, but the spiritual power that
these people are trying to harness through this ancient practice.
This is nothing new, Jay, You know this better than anybody. Like,
child trafficking has existed since children were born. Child sacrifice
has existed for far beyond the beginning of the Bible. Right,
so well, not the Garden of Eden, but call it
Garden of Eden into Exodus. Then you have ball and
Moloch and rem Fambiel Zabob, any name you want to
give them. These people have been heavily, heavily a cult.
And people think a cult means satanic. It just means hidden.
It certainly has Satanic ties, but they're hiding this stuff
in plain sight. And the craziest part about it for
all of you out there, is that these people, these Satanists,
are the best liars on planet Earth. They can they
can you know, the devil scripture better than any human being,
and they serve him and they will use scripture against
people to lead them in the wrong direction. And you know,
as this technocratic system rolls out, which is clear and obvious,
like there's no conspiracy theory behind this, when you're putting
out almost a trillion, actually one point two trillion dollars
in data centers and funding for Palenteer and.
Speaker 2: Oracle and all these other groups.
Speaker 1: This, this group of people cast spells on the world.
They really do, whether it's through film or music or whatever.
They've been doing this for a very long time to
distract us, and now people are starting to understand it
in this era that we live in right now, where
there's two ways to look at it. The truth is
being exposed, justice will be served, We'll see, we'll see.
I'm personally not on the bandwagon saying that that's going
to happen. I'm on the bandwagon of saying that some
people will probably pay a price, but most will walk
free on you know, a plausible deniability or whatever they
want to use, because they created the laws in the
beginning to escapegoat them. The other side is that there's
this great delusion. You talked about, the great delusion that's
being cast on the earth from Second Thessalonians. Part of
that delusion, I believe, right now is you know, everything
was driven by fear. All all of human society has
been driven like the ranchers have controlled the cattle through
fear for generations and millennium. The future is comfort, right,
that is what a technocracy provides. They will control you
through comfort as opposed through fear. So this exposure happens
every you know, the economists call it a fourth turning,
you know, the evil people call it a great reset.
Other people just call it a reset. These resets have
occurred many times throughout history. Every single time the new
one taking power exposed the old. Nothing happened to the old,
but they exposed them, so nobody. So people, I don't
want anything to do with this, And I think that
that Epstein, in my opinion, will be used in this
surveillance state model as well, because they're going to say, well, look,
we captured all of this information. We captured all of
it on emails, videos, stored in computers.
Speaker 2: We captured it all digitally.
Speaker 1: So now we're need access to everyone's digital information, for
which they already have, but we want your permission for
it forever, so that no child ever gets harmed. And
if you deny that, they're going to say, well, you're
a pedophile protector, right, you see the dialectic that's playing
out with us to use at.
Speaker 3: The Yeah, they'll probably do that at the same time
as trying to normalize.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is on camera saying he thought Epstein was
a cool guy. You have these cool guy Epstein memes
going out right, is it's thoroughly disgusting.
Speaker 2: But what the hell is happening with this? Jay? What
what are you seeing with this? It's confusing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you nailed it there with what they've
chosen to go with for the for the model of
this technocracy, which is not the you know, boot stamping
on your face like there may be some of that,
but it's not the model in general that Orwell talks about.
Speaker 2: It's the brave New World model, which.
Speaker 3: Is about pleasure and you get the he said about
that book that they're going to control us through drugs
and pleasure and sensation. And a lot of people don't
know this, but that's a very important novel if you
go back and pay attention to it. And we recently
did a second to deep Dive ten years later with
my buddy Frank over it. Quite frankly, I think it's
in his it's in our members section. I can't knowmber
if it's public or not. But one thing I didn't
notice until going back and reviewing that book was that
Mustapha Mond, who's the villain character, who's the one of
the world's socialist controllers, he's.
Speaker 2: Actually a pedophile.
Speaker 3: And they make that clear at the end of the
second chapter where instead of Jesus saying let the children
come onto me, Mustapha Mond says, let them come on
to me. And it's in the context of what in
the novel they call erotic play. And in that future,
that dystopia, everybody has to be erotic with everybody else,
Like you have to touch butts.
Speaker 2: You can't.
Speaker 3: There's no it's against the law to not be with
anybody who wants you. So it's a that might be
a little extreme, but the that is the future will
be a technocracy where you're enslaved by your passions and
my pleasure, not by the bootstamping on your face. I
think you're absolutely right there. Huxley was more correct on
that point than Orwell was. That's where they're going. They've
definitely been selling this whole technocracy on the basis of
ease and convenience. Totally right on all those points, and
that's I think they've you know, actuaried that out, that
that's the most effective way to get people on board,
and they'll they'll sacrifice privacy and rights it for that convenience.
Speaker 2: And they learned that after nine.
Speaker 3: To eleven, right, people will are willing to give all
that up for convenience since perceived safety, which is ridiculous
because the people behind this are the ones telling you
that you're going to be safe.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I agree with all that. I also agree that.
Speaker 3: We saw, for example, in the last year, this push,
especially in Western countries, for digital ID to protect the kids.
And oh and now we all see how absurd this
is because the establishment for claiming it's desire to protect
the kids through digital ID is the establishment protecting the
PDFs and involved in those kind of international operations. Now,
for people to say that this isn't real, well, why
are people stepping down? I mean, I've already seen a
lot of pms and that's great they're stepping down, But
I mean they're not being brought to justice, just stepping
down from some cushy position to go into some other
cushy position.
Speaker 2: Is not justice.
Speaker 3: So I, like you, I don't expect that we're going
to see mass arrest or some sort of round up
or anything other than probably a mid level people, a
low level people taking the brunt of the heat. That's
exactly what we've seen in the past too, right, you
have people like Mark Dutroux and the du trou affair.
That famous incident went all the way up to the
highest levels of the Belgian government. A million people marsh
in the street. The only person that got in trouble
was dutrou and maybe one other dude.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I don't think that.
Speaker 3: But also I think that people are beginning to doubt
the system at a mass level. And where exactly that
we'll go I don't know. But unfortunately people keep getting duped.
They're so often duped by When the establishment senses that
people are beginning to move away from its perspective, they
will put forward the opposition or the you know, the control.
This we know about controlled opposition, and it's unfortunate because
people keep falling for it.
Speaker 1: So, you know, there's are so easy to see and
it is wow, they're on our No one's on your side,
No one at the high levels on your side.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't get to certain tiers.
Speaker 3: And remember this was the system that Epstein was was
part of, was they would compromise people at higher and
higher levels with darker and darker stuff. I think that's
the way it works because to move up you need
to they need more dirt on you then to make
sure that you're you know fully on board. And again
that's not surprising because criminal gangs operate that way. You
know MS thirteen for example, They want you to do
way more than the Sicilian mafia to be part of
that game. So they have expectations of no, you don't
just need to need to kill women and children, not
just to kill people women and children, right, So it
gets darker and darker as you go up. That's something
we've highlighted too with I think a lot of the
pop stars and the celebrities, in order to get to
those tiers, it seems like they have to engage in
more and more degrading practices. And if you think that's crazy,
most people don't think C. S. Lewis was crazy. They
think he was a great writer, great author, but not
many people remember that. In the Space Trilogy, in the
third volume, when the protagonist who's in a new world
order situation. It's a technocracy that they're setting up the
aliens or demons in the novel when he's joining Nice
in Ice, which is kind of a joke because it's
the it's the technocrats who say that they're NICE as
an organization, but they're they're.
Speaker 2: Creating a world government to depopulate everybody.
Speaker 3: He has to go through this degrading satanic ritual to
join NICE, and you know, he doesn't understand why I
has to do this, but it's precisely because of what
we're talking about. To make sure that your conscience is
seared and that you're willing to serve evil at all costs,
and they have the dirt on you and etcetera. And
like you said, it's also demonic too, that it's not
just the earthly plane of blackmail. It's also making sure
that you're on board with this demonic power. So yeah,
I pretty much agree with everything you said.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm trying to get some disagreement, Jay, but I
get there. Yeah, that's what that's what religion's for.
Speaker 2: I guess, uh.
Speaker 1: On the on the on the other side of stuff,
we have to look at this from a perspective because
the the the the concept you just gave where literally
its like one and a half million people were marching
the street. Back then, two guys paid the price. I think,
I think you're right. There's there's the main guy. There
was another guy, du.
Speaker 2: Trou and then I think some other like procureur dude.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he was just he was just a middle
man and it was It was no more than four
weeks later everyone was like, Okay, it's over right. That's
how humanity works. And right now, the speed of information,
the speed of info, like I did a talk about
twelve years ago about information overload twelve years ago, and
back then the stats were staggering, like the average human
being who was on the Internet for four to six
hours per day was absorbing between one hundred and fifty
and two hundred and fifty thousand.
Speaker 2: Words per day.
Speaker 1: That was twelve years ago, before TikTok, before any of
this other stuff. That was when you had to read
the internet. Now, with video consumption, this constant barragement into
people's brains right now is just scrambling them. And I
think they're going to accept anything and pleasure and comfort.
I agree with that that is going to be the
new twist because everyone now you have the expose, everything
is being exposed of the past.
Speaker 2: These cruel overloads. They're cruel to you, right, just like
the devil would be. They're cruel to you. Come to me, right.
Speaker 1: I think of Xerxes in three hundred going to the
guy with the hump on his back and he's like,
you're Leonidas is cruel, but I'm kind right as he's
sitting there.
Speaker 2: In an orgy of demonic activity.
Speaker 1: It's the same exact setting that society is going through
because they're going to say, listen, we don't want.
Speaker 2: These brutal overlords that are doing these things.
Speaker 1: Now, we don't even need them. We can have machines
do their job. We don't have to worry about human
interference in government. We don't have to worry about any
you know, nonsensical issues coming from the government if it's
coming from an AI system. But in order for that
AI system to work, you're all going to have to comply,
and that compliance will be done. I have no hesitation
that eighty percent of the population will rush to it
after they're procured the right way. Because Hegelian dialectic is misunderstood.
It's create the problem for the solution, but in the
middle you use the reaction of the best way to
implement the solution psychologically. And they have so much data
coming from the outrage of anything, whether it's tariffs, you know,
even the small stuff, right, whether it's the Academy Awards
or whatever it is. They have all this data coming
out on human beings as being processed at light speed.
I just don't I just don't see. I just don't
envision how we get out of it except for a
select few. Right, there will be a select few that
the buck the system because the digital idea that you
went through, that's going to happen, Like, that's absolutely.
Speaker 2: Going to happen.
Speaker 1: AI is being unrestrained at this point in time, and
I am in that space.
Speaker 2: There are no guardrails.
Speaker 1: I've talked to people inside almost all of the major
AI companies and I'm like, are there guardrails?
Speaker 2: Like, nope.
Speaker 1: The only guardrail is your human creativity and what you
can get the AI to do. So eventually there'll be
an Eric and Jay Dyer fight video that comes out
that will look totally real, like you and I jumped
out of the screen and had a fist fight, you know,
and killed each other, and people will think we're both murderers,
and then eventually we're going to be begging for justice
of who made that video, right, or like imagine any
video AI can make that is one that is one
wrench that they're using, that's one beating you over the
head with something to get you to comply. Then you
have the other side of Epstein, right, Like you don't
want to be a pedophile. We need full surveillance. We
have to surveil all the powerful people, and that includes
you as a peon who has nothing to do with us,
but you need to be part of it as well.
This Gaelien dialectic, is it like the ranchers are very smart,
the cattle are very dumb, and that you know, go
back to animal farm.
Speaker 2: It's a great Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: In fact, I'm totally forgot that because my buddy and I, Tristan,
we did the animal farm last year.
Speaker 2: Actually I forgot about that. Well, let me ask you
one question.
Speaker 3: There on that comment that you made, because I mean,
I've I've read books, but I'm not involved in in
the text sector really, so I don't really get a
lot of tech stuff like when you say there's no guardrails,
and I know you give the example of you know,
a video coming out about a fight or something like that,
like beyond the the damaging of the credibility of visual imagery.
Speaker 2: What exactly in terms of because.
Speaker 3: Everybody says, oh, yeah, I was going to take the
job of a paralegal AA is going to take when
you when you speak of like the like how far
reaching does no guard rails go? Like what do you
foresee with this in terms of specifically AI and the
economy and in society?
Speaker 1: Well, so the the only so when I talk about guardrails,
I'm talking about guardrails against the detriment of humanity. How
can this machinery be used without killing humans? And I
don't mean that like physically, I mean like destroying humanity
as a whole, which it certainly has the capability to do.
The governing boards are not around that. They're around the
growth and expansion and the constant learning of AI. So
AI began as machine learning. They taught machines how to learn.
Now they're teaching them how to think. Eventually you get
into a gentic where they're just semi sentient. They'll never
be sentient. They don't have a soul like machine does
not have a soul. However, you know, I have a
good friend of mine. I say his name, but he
is one of ten people around the world that are
paid a significant amount of money when a new AI
system comes out, and his job is to see how
fast he can get instructions from AI on how to
destroy humanity. So he is one of the ten people
in the world that people pay because they're very good
at questioning the AI and essentially he has yet to
find an AI system that with the right coercing won't
get there within thirty minutes. Go to AI and ask
them like, how would you get away with you know,
destroy how would you destroy America? We have to guard
that kind of stuff, but it's not being guarded because
profit is the key. So the when AI competition becomes
privatized and you have AI competitors working on creating a
smarter AI that does more things, they of course start
with simple stuff like paraalegals will be removed. You do
not you already don't need them, Like I run a
company and we use AI for at least fifty percent
of our contracts for simple contracts, so you.
Speaker 2: Don't really need them now.
Speaker 1: They will be removed. Lawyers will be removed. I think
the legal system will be removed. I think that this
movie coming out with Chris prattin it is foreshadowing of Yeah.
Speaker 2: I just mentioned that yesterday on my interview.
Speaker 1: It's pure foreshadowing. And the one who will be destroyed
is the creator because the creator will be the only
one who knows how to unplug it. You see how
that works? Like, that's why they went after the guy
who created that AI Justice system. Oh interesting and set
of I haven't seen the movie, but I can pretty
pretty well. Yeah, right, but guardrails include these things, guardrails
and clue. How do we roll out like technology has
always been rolled out slowly, like the llms that we're
seeing right now. The friends of mine who are in
the intelligence agencies years ago, when they saw chat GPT,
I called one of them and I said, hey, this
is pretty pretty fantastic, right, this is a way for
anyone to cut out fifty sixty hours of research every
fifteen minutes. And he said, yeah, no, it's great. He's like,
we've had those in the agencies for thirty years. So
like you talked about the Internet rolling going from DARPA
to ARPA into the Internet. That's how these AI systems
are being rolled out. Normally, they're rolled out in a
controlled environment, which I guess you could say AI is
fairly controlled from an outsider perspective, because it looks like
it's just doing you know, hunt and peck search stuff
helps you think, figure out, but imagine what happens behind
the what the retail user sees because these are advanced systems.
These things are probably thirty or forty years more advanced, doesn't.
Speaker 3: Me My next question goes, yeah, typically we think about,
you know, the technology being a decades ahead of what
the public. What do you what does that actually mean?
Because I've got like Ray kurtz File and I've got
people like Jacquette Lee and you know, their projections of
what they think tech and AI will be like in
a few decades, by twenty forty, twenty fifty. But what's
a realistic in your conception idea of what an AI
that's ten or twenty or thirty years ahead?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: What what is it? What? How can I phrase this?
Speaker 3: What does it actually do that's better? Or is it
just faster? Or is it like, Okay, I think i'd
a phrase the question I mean in other words, like
is there a peak where that it can't do anything else?
Does that make sense what I'm asking?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Well, AI is a bridge, right, So AI is a
bridge between theoretical quantum computing, like when quantum computing comes
into play if it.
Speaker 2: Does, right, like, we don't don't know yet.
Speaker 1: It's theoretically theoretical, so we're looking at you know, basics.
Basics behind a quantum computer are pretty simple, normal you know,
digital systems or are your average computer right now now
can if there was a piece of cheese and amaze
the size of your entire town. Computers right now can
release an unlimited amount of mice to find the cheese,
one at a time. A quantum computer can release every
mouse in the world and find the cheese in you know,
less than a millisecond, because they just drop all the
mice in the world. Like, It's kind of the easy
way to think of that computing power. AI is a bridge,
and AI by itself, when you're building AI with quantum
behind it, we don't know what that looks like. I
don't know, and I'm by far not an expert. JA
I'm just a you know, I do off grid energy
and bitcoin mining stuff and oil and gas stuff. But
it come from the tech space, and I have a
lot of friends there, and I interview a lot of people,
and I know a lot of people that I talk to. Sure,
And what I see right now is AI is really
a system being built for robotics. So robotics right now
are slaves. Like that's the best way to think of it.
I saw a video ten minutes before we hopped on
of Chinese robotics scaling hills faster than a human soldier could, squatting, firing,
never missing a shot, reloading magazines faster.
Speaker 2: Than a human being can do.
Speaker 1: They're being commanded to do that, However, the ultimate goal
is to have them not be commanded, right, is to
just say, like to create a false being that will
follow orders. But more importantly, it'll think on the fly.
It'll be able to say, there's a thread over here,
I need to readjust to this direction. You know, I
had Glenn Ignasia on the show who does AI in
the military space, and the stuff that he's telling me
that you know, you have these unmanned f thirty fives
that are flying around the world. The good part is
there's no one behind a cockpit who's scared to die,
so they'll achieve the mission. The bad part is there's
no human being behind the cockpit who will stop the mission.
So when you have this system being built in place
where you have something else thinking for you, that's a danger.
The real danger, from my point of view, is humanity,
not AI. Right now, you have a pretty big x
account and how many times do you put a post
out daily and at least ten percent of the people
type in at groc?
Speaker 2: Is this true? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Like that's the real issue with AI. AI is going
to scale. It's going to scale over. There's enough money
flooding into it, they'll figure it out. The real issue
is how much of our consciousness are we handing over
to machines to tell us the truth that Like, look
at where Google started. Look how Google manipulated search engines
to drive a consensus thought or a hive mind. Imagine
what happens with AI because AI works totally different. Like
an LLLM is pretty simple. Whatever you put in the
LM that is going to everyone. You're adding to the profile.
So if you were there's a post out here today,
Elon was advocating for people to upload their medical data
into GROCK. Don't do that. Do not ever think of
AI as a stranger who's wearing metaglasses and a recording device.
That's what an LM is, So don't share personal information.
That's how they're going to be able to manipulate. But
look at the social engineering that will occur from this Jay.
Just think of where we are today with what we
can see from a retail perspective. You have prayer apps,
you have you know, confession apps, you have all these
other apps that are connected into as system, and that's
thinking along the hive mind of humanity. So it has
all of your deepest concerns from a prayer perspective. It
has all your likes and dislikes of where you really
disengage with humanity and how you disappear, or whether you
watch sports or comedy or cat videos. It can swirl
all that up into an agenda and then disseminate that
agenda with no guardrails, especially if it's closed source, not
open sourced, and fully centralized, which is what most AI is.
So you can look at the open sourcing where you
can say, okay, this type of query it's weighted in
this direction, and of course the normy mind is going
to think right off the bat, well, Democrats will use
it to get votes and republic that's like the least
of concern. I don't even know that we'll be voting
when a technocracy is, who are going to vote for
a machine runs as well?
Speaker 3: I mean part of the purpose, according to their propaganda,
is to actually replace voting.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, Trump said vote for me and you'll never
vote again. It's coming. So when that happens, now, it's
not politicians that are swaying the public. It's a bunch
of AI agents and bots that are on a system
that are literally taking sucking in your data, analyzing your data,
and can weaponize it against you at any given time.
There are already AI systems that are blackmailing employees for
money that are already AI system people that are There
are now four, maybe five active lawsuits in America of
people trying to sue a government to allow them to
marry an AI. There is now a bar in New
York City that is designed for you and your AI
to have dinner. So you bring your laptop and have
dinner with your AI. That's the real threat to humanity
is not necessarily the AI itself. It's the giving away
of consciousness, which is why I think you're seeing so
many people going maybe God's real. Like I was believed
in God, I didn't believe in Jesus for many years
until I studied the occult and I realize how much
they hate him. I don't care about God will they
will absolutely blaspheme God all day long, but they fear
the name of Jesus. And I think a lot of
people are searching for that, and I think the AI
system knows that.
Speaker 2: I think the AI is smart enough to actually see that.
Speaker 1: In the overlords, which is why we talked off camera
or technocracy, and I call it a technocratic monarchy. So
we're saying the same thing in a different pathway. Because
when you look at closed source, like not open source
where anyone can see, where it's private, and there is
a central controller of an AI system, which is what
all of them really are. They can masquerade as decentralized
all they like, but they are centralized. So when that
evil ruler has access to all of your pain points,
from the things you most desperately pray about to the
things that you you know, like you don't need Jeffrey
Epstein anymore. You actually don't need an Epstein volunteer. Is
Epstein on steroids have access to everything, whether it's your
microphone right now, the camera on your phone, whatever it is,
have access to it all. And everyone's constantly wearing a device.
And even if there isn't, you can plant one everywhere.
I mean, what are we at? You know, six million
cameras throughout the United States now, flop cameras, all this
other stuff.
Speaker 2: See, they can see everything.
Speaker 1: So you see where I'm going with that, Jay, So
I have two concerns, Like the AI itself, I think
people are a little blown out of proportion of like
you know, the terminate.
Speaker 2: In Yeah, I was thinking.
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not saying AI is going to destroy
humanity in a physical sense. I'm saying is going to
destroy It's just handing over your consciousness, handing over your
free thought into an engine that you have no idea
who's producing the results. And I catch AI lying four
or five times a day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've seen a lot of errors. Absolutely, You see
where I'm going with that.
Speaker 1: You see that that that is I believe that's biblically
part of a great delusion, like if you're willing to
hand over your consciousness to a machine, and like who
are these creators of these machines? Elon Musk, Sam Altman,
Larry Ellison, These are not these are not people of God,
Okay whatever, regardless of what they say on TV, because
they're going to say on TV there are going there's
going to be a mass celebrity politician movement towards I
believe in God now Jesus is king. Like they're going
to use this as a tool against you know, lukewarm churches,
which is you know, this is a Seventh Church of
allowed to see you, seven Church of Revelations. So you know,
I think that's the real danger.
Speaker 2: Jay.
Speaker 1: It's not necessarily the technology attacking us. It's us surrendering
sovereignty and consciousness to the technology, and that is comfort.
So you're controlled through comfort in the future, no longer
through physical fear.
Speaker 2: Do that makes sense right? Yeah? No, I think you're
spot on there.
Speaker 3: That makes a lot more sense from the vantage point of, like,
you know what the real threat is rather than the
sort of the sky that you know, the drones are
going to come blow my house up or something like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're not going to have to do that.
Speaker 1: They're just going to say like, hey, listen, man, you're
you're stable coin. I mean CBDC that that thing is
going to expire next month.
Speaker 2: You know, I already have.
Speaker 1: I've had like three people send me stuff just on
my little tiny show of going, hey, here's this letter
my hoa sent me and it said that I need
to I need to take down this tree. And they
sent him a drone shot of their house. There's already
drones flying over your house. I had another guy on
the show the other day. He lives in Mexico, and
they now have biometric eye scanners iris scanners to get
into his neighborhood. It is just to walk into his right,
But that creates convenience because the whole selling point, well,
if I give you a key fob, you might lose it,
but you're never going to lose your eyes, right, So
just use your eye scan to get into the neighborhood.
That way, you were keeping you.
Speaker 2: Safe, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the biometrics stuff is crazy because that was that
was planned a long time ago too. You had a
lot of these technocratic people writing one hundred years ago
about how biometrics would be the key to controlling people.
Speaker 2: So how long do you usually go I'm not gonna
be rude, but we got a few minutes left.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so yeah, absolutely think you've been spot on. Uh,
if you want to have a disagreement podcast, maybe next
time we could have a topic to debate or something.
I'm always open to debates if you want to do that,
But uh, totally yeah, What's what's on your mind for
your last few minutes?
Speaker 1: There? Last few minutes? You know, I always start with
the big question, where do you think we're going? I
think we see that the same way. What are your
hopes for the future?
Speaker 2: Like how do you know?
Speaker 1: I know you're you're you're a man of God, And
like that gives me great comfort, by the way, like
there's like there's nothing in the world that affects me
emotionally at all, because whatever is happening on planet Earth
right now, God ordained and there's nothing we can do
about that. I'm certainly not not in the boat of
saying that we can change prophecy in any way, but
there are things that we can do in our own lives,
and I want to give tips for that, because you're
a very calm guy, and people ask me this question
all the time. I'm sure you get it. With all
the things that you know, how do you remain so calm?
And that's what I want to turn.
Speaker 2: Over to you. Yeah, great question. I mean again, you know,
I think that.
Speaker 3: It's very important to have your mind in the scriptures consistently.
I think, you know, reading the Bible NonStop as always
a positive. Tried to do that for the last several
years and that's been a huge impact on my life.
And I'm definitely not anti Bible because, like you know,
go to Orthodox Church. I don't see those things as
as antithetical. I see them as really harmonious. In fact
that the Orthodox Church, the entire liturgy itself, is actually
all scripture.
Speaker 2: It's all scripture come alive.
Speaker 3: Most of their readings and the songs are just from
the Psalms et cetera. The hymns or all just versions
of the Texas Scripture kind of put to hymnography.
Speaker 2: So yeah, we're all about that.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's been the main pivot and mainstay for
me in terms of navigating this stuff, because there was
you know, at a period too, I think maybe ten
years ago where I was always raised, you know, Christian,
and had had to fade that a period where I
was kind of ify and doubted for a few years,
maybe in my early thirties.
Speaker 1: We all do, Yeah, I think if you don't, you're
not human or you have some sort of false faith,
right like, Yeah, and then you know doubting as part
of it.
Speaker 3: Well, you go through a phase like that and you
kind of gradually start reinscripture again and you kind of
you know, go back to church and you warm warm
back up to that.
Speaker 2: You know, that happened to me maybe ten or twelve
years ago.
Speaker 3: But yeah, prayer, having great relationships with other godly virtuous people.
Have a great spiritual father, father Vladimir Kadanov. We're really close.
He's a great man. Got other great apologists that are
friends of mine. So I think having those connections that
are not just internet synthetic connections but real people connection
is a huge thing.
Speaker 2: I'm a big believer in bitcoin. I'm a big believer
in living outside of big cities.
Speaker 3: Having a you know, place out in the country is
a good idea, especially as things get worse and worse.
Believe in self defense, self sovereignty, you know, guns, all
that kind of stuff. So I think all those things
are positives for people that don't want to lose their
sanity in this crazy time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I have to wrap it on this. Now.
Speaker 1: I'm a bitcoiner as well, and of course I found
it hilarious that in the drop of the Epstein files
that the first breaking story was Epstein's involvement in bitcoin,
and now Epstein is is bitcoin. Epstein can't spell bitcoin,
but he created bitcoin, created it, so yeah, he's he's
the creator. And you know, the reality is he did
donate money to mit. The Bitcoin Core developers did accept
the money. I've talked to a bunch of people who
are involved in that scenario. I know exactly what happened.
He gave money to people to pay salaries. Didn't influence anything.
You can't influence open source dcentral.
Speaker 3: I try to explain that to some people yesterday that
I mean, that'd be like saying, well, DARPA is involved
in the Internet, so if you're involved in the Internet,
then you work with DARPA.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's kind.
Speaker 1: Right, and the open source nature from that pursuing my mind,
so like, I'm pretty pretty well adept in the system.
But when you look at it from that perspective. I
thought that was a brilliant first attack because I kind
of appreciate the enemy's tax.
Speaker 2: That was a clever way to go. You know, it's
could get.
Speaker 1: People out of the thing that can save them, like
demonize the thing that actually gets you off of banking rails.
Right at the time where they're creating the quote unquote
Clarity Act and the Genius Act. The thing about the
Genius Act that people aren't tying together is it's a
stable coin.
Speaker 2: Stable coins, stable cooins.
Speaker 1: Are cbdc's that happened to buy US treasuries. That's the
only different and they have treasuries back in them. What
Epstein was actually funding get mi T was a CBDC research.
The money he gave to Bitcoin core developers was after
the Bitcoin Foundation basically when you know, was going bankrupt,
so they needed someone to fill the salary position. Which
you know, Core has its issues, Okay, we Core has
its issues, but the system itself is viewed by millions
of people daily, so like, if there's a back door,
it would be and people don't understand that if there's
a backdoor, it would have been seen by now.
Speaker 3: I've trly explained that there's several people that you know,
that's the purpose of it being an open source situation.
Is like, it's not like there's this central network that
Epstein helped to code the back doors into, like promised
software or something like.
Speaker 2: That's not how this works.
Speaker 3: It's a totally different That means again, it's like saying,
unlet's use use email email as a protocol, right, and
I'm sure that there's there were some nefarious people who
helped develop email, of course. Okay, well, so are we
not going to It's silly to think that because of
it's also a fallacy, right, something can be good on
its own apart from a person or persons involved in
the origin or the development of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, in the origin development, we know who the
original developers were, and we know that a couple of
them were crazy. But them being crazy doesn't mean that
they were writing pure code.
Speaker 3: Like yeah, that's why it's called the genetic fallacy, is
that it's it's an error in reasoning and critical thinking
to draw that conclusion from that.
Speaker 2: Right, But they played on it perfectly. That was the
first thing that came out.
Speaker 1: It started to drop the first thing and it us
buy more because that's just simply the way it should.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I think we see.
Speaker 1: A big rebound in that, and I think the world
actually there's a reason institutions who.
Speaker 2: Are all corrupt.
Speaker 1: So by the way Epstein used JP, Morgan Chase frequently
met with Jamie Diamond, knows all these people, but yet
you still have your money in JP exactly right, So
like the attack was pretty significant there.
Speaker 2: I try to talk about this a lot.
Speaker 1: I don't really don't care to me Like, I'm kind
of in a situation where like I'm gonna do what
I do, You do what you do, and I wish
you all the best. And I think that anything open
source and decentralized is going to win in the end
for humanity, and AI right now needs to step that
up because everything is the exact opposite. I would be
more concerned with the people in AI that Epstein met with,
who are central controllers of a closed source system that
you're using daily that can be influenced by human beings
one thousand percent. But when you have reviewers and no
runners and minors reviewing code literally twenty four hours a day,
I have no concerns with that.
Speaker 2: So I'm glad to hear that. I'm glad to hear
on the same page.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a great point right there, Like, how come
there's not obsession over Epstein and perhaps Ai because I'm
sure he had interest in that. You know, he talks
about a little bit in the Bannon interview. But everyone's
obsessed with Oh, look, he put money into the Bitcoin Foundation.
I was like, okay, but he put money into everything, right,
like everything, very selective choices here.
Speaker 1: And more importantly, they were running the RL program at MIT,
so that was all about being total tyrannical cbdc's, which
have actually been launched in the state of New York,
so they did a test with it. There's two other
states that launched those, but they But this is how
he Gelian dialectic works, right, right, So you have to
create the CBDC scary CBDC. You can't have that that
word right now. Ever, I gave a speech at ironically
at Rice University in Houston about this topic about three
years ago, maybe three and a half years ago.
Speaker 2: No one knew what a CBDC was in the whole room.
Speaker 1: By the time I left, they were like, we got
to stop these things. And I had no idea what
they were going to do. But we all they've done
is said, well, you guys don't like CBDC, we're going
to ban the term CBDC, but we're going to give
you stable coins, which are the same thing programmatically.
Speaker 2: Just rebrand They do that all the time, just rebrand it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're rebranding the United Nations as the Board of Peace,
right like, yeah, that's you know. The only difference is that,
you know, unironically right now, the Vatican has declined their
membership there, but we'll see it. The Knights of Malta do.
Because both of those two have permanent observer status. They
aren't members of the UN, but they're permanent observer status.
That will probably be the path that they take there.
But Jay, this has been a great conversation. Thank you
so much for coming on here. I know you're busy
running around doing stuff. Hope to have you on here
again and we will have a debate.
Speaker 2: We'll maybe we'll get in.
Speaker 1: I don't you know, religious stuff is for somebody else.
I'm not as not as interesting. I care that people meet,
follow and love Jesus and try to live as a disciple.
I don't care how what path they get there. There
are certainly ones that are worse than the others.
Speaker 3: We don't have to I was just saying that you
said we were trying to find something to disagree on it, So.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I can with you, we'll find
on something. You're into guns, bitcoin, freedom, sovereignty.
Speaker 1: You know, I had a nice little place out here
in Texas that was, you know, fairly rural when I
moved here. And they've dumped about four billion dollars into
building cracker barrels.
Speaker 2: And all that stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, ugly, Yeah, as soon as my kids, because soon
as my kids graduate high school, I'm heading about fifty
to one hundred miles north and west, maybe up into Oklahoma.
Speaker 2: Uh, just live a quiet life. But you know, you
know how that is. You know that desire it burns out.
Tennessee is great, Florida is great. We split the year
between those two. So yeah, I guess I've been.
Speaker 1: Thinking about Tennessee. I like one of one of our
operations is about an hour and a half south east.
I think of Knoxville and love the area, love the area,
beautiful rolling mountains, streams everywhere, good fishing, clean air, good people.
Speaker 2: And I live.
Speaker 1: I live right outside Dallas, so you guys have far
less foreigners walking on your streets.
Speaker 2: There than we do. Definitely, definitely all right. Well, thank you, Eric,
appreciate it absolutely. God bless you.
Speaker 1: Jay, have a good one. God bless everyone out there.
Thank you for coming to the Rice Report. We'll see
you again next time.