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Speaker 1: Like you don't need Jeffrey Epstein anymore. You actually don't

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need an Epstein volunteer. Is Epstein on steroids. They will

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control you through comfort as opposed through fear. Eighty percent

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of the population will rush to it. All right, and

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welcome back to the Rice Report, everybody, Thank you so

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much for being here. As always, this is the place

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where we talk about the things you're not supposed to money, politics, religion,

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and today we're going to go into some different sectors

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of the world that most people have zero education on,

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and we're going to try to bring some light into

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the darkness of the abyss of ignorance that exists in

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America today. We live in a very naive society that

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tends to trend towards trusting without verifying. And I think

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that's a very important topic to talk about today. And

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today's guest Jay Dire.

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Speaker 2: Many of you will know him.

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Speaker 1: He's been all over the place, author, show, host, podcast,

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out in the space. And I know that because he

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has enemies. When people have enemies, it generally means they're

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over target. I don't take sides on things I call

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balls and strikes Jay As I'm sure you've heard from

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everyone else before coming on the show. I want to

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get into many different topics today, So we're going to

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rush right through the intro and we're going to go

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right into where you see the world going? Aside, I'm

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trying to start all of my interviews with that basic

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sentence like where do you see the world going?

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Speaker 2: Because it's completely chaotic?

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Speaker 3: So what do you think, Jane, Yeah, I think we're

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seeing a breakdown of the norms and the ideas that

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we've had from the boomer mindset of you know, the

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previous generations and they kind of they're still in power,

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so to speak, but the Boomers are kind of moving out.

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that mindset is beginning to break. I think certain things

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in the mainstream media were sort of key pivotal issues.

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two thousand and one, but more recently, I think twenty

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and so I think that forced a lot of people

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who believed in the establishment in the system to sort

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of come to a fork in the road to decide

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am I going to leave the system, the establishment, or

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am I going to realize that it's lying to me?

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that means that I may have been lied about to

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about everything. Right, So, I think a lot of people

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had their minds broken. Then I think the twenty twenty

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koof Cough event, that that event was a huge syop

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that broke the minds, especially of the boomers and others

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and the left pretty hardcore. And then I think the

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push for technocracy, which has been around for a long time,

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think that has further broken a lot of people's minds

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and forced them to either wake up to more and

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more truth or go deeper and deeper into delusion and

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accept deception or maybe even what Thessalonians calls the strong delusion.

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the world. I don't know that could be, but regardless,

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God does send as a chastisement of time strong delusions,

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and I think we're definitely seeing people willingly believing and

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going into just absolute insanity because they would rather, as

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Speaker 3: So I think they would rather believe lies, and that

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has led to a winnowing. The population is getting sort

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of radically polarized between people who have some sense of

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into evil. Long story short, I think we're going to

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see more and more breakdown of things. I think the

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Fiat money will continue to collapse, so the economy will collapse.

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and the push for that kind of a socialist order

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of the future. So I think unfortunately that's where we're going.

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hundred and fifteen new catech humans, which for the Orthodox

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Golden Age promises of First Thessalonians, so those are kind

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of both playing out at the same time again, I

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today with Don Haffines who said, you know, yeah, yeah,

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I bought Zoro ranch from Epstein, but you know, I'm

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converting into a Christian retreat center for the youth. Like

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who in the world would send their kids to this

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Christian retreat center that had demonic child molestation and murders

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Speaker 2: But people are well, they'll see that, right.

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Speaker 1: So there is a there is a couple of generations

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now that are completely starving for some sort of spirituality

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in their life because they've been brought up in a

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completely atheistic, dark, communistic environment where there has been the leanings.

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institutions are greater than the other. I think they all

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that you know, you find Christ through Christ, and that

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spiritual nourishment that people have been looking for is part

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of this technocracy movement. I really think it's a huge

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part of it. Why all of a sudden did the

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floo And of course you can go back to Isaiah

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forty five to seven. I control the light in the darkness,

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right like God. God controls these things at the end.

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the pews, which is a good thing, right, It's a

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good thing. I want young people to find spirituality and God,

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but I want them to read their Bibles.

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pulpits or go through rituals and that's just my perspective,

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but it's a good thing. Now that also provides, you know,

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a sign of weakness for society where people will maybe

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focus too much on that and not on the underlying

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technocracy that's being embedded. I know, you know the history

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of Palenteer as well as anyone. I mean, you're looking

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at a complete CIA operation that said, hey, listen, we

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go ahead and funnel taxpayer dollars into INKU. Tell, well,

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make sure you have those to build it out. And

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now when people realize, wow, you've had more funding to

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create a digital prison around us, we'll go ahead and

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take it public so that we can feed everyone's greed

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thing because they're all making money with the stock. Like

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these are the real things that are happening right now.

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discernment isn't knowing the difference between writing wrong. Everyone can

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they have loose associations with I think with Elon's granddad

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Patrick Woods books, and he just did a book with

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one of our friends, Courtney Turner, on technocracy. But so yeah,

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this this movement was kind of fringe. It wasn't seen

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and they were many of them were actually rabid Satanists. Explicitly,

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population through art, and then that brutalization could then move

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the scale of or the over the window of how

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people viewed the world in society, and they intentionally wanted

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it to be a removal of any notion of Christianity

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whatsoever in England. And then they also believed in the

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necessity to bring Islam into into the UK as another

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devotees of technocracy. So when you read nineteen eighty four

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hundred years you'll have test tube babies, you'll have surveillance everywhere,

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screens will be talking at you. So it's a famous

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prophetic essay that he wrote.

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Speaker 2: But long story short, that ideology gain it's really creepy too.

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guess you could say. And then another book that I

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is where the Internet comes from, is really called ARPA,

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Speaker 2: So they created this out.

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cryptographic communication that the Soviets couldn't break.

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Internet and to have everybody linked in. And they even

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Speaker 2: So you know, I think the elites, Arthur C.

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where they wanted to take the future in ah she

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he was writing all that fiction that was propaganda at

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the same time as writing all these other books called

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New World Order. He was a high level of Freemason.

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for understanding the whole New World Order technocracy, you can't

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beat Open Conspiracy and New World Order by Wells.

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Speaker 2: And he was the mouthpiece for these people.

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up into the seventies, Brezenski writes a very important book

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called Between Two Ages and nineteen seventy one or two,

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and the subtitle is the Technic Technic Technotronic Era. And

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so he's talking about how we will move into a

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future totally unlike anything in the world's ever seen. We'll

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have everything from weather modification to genetic modification to Internet

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of Things, satellite integration of everything into one whole sort

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of beast ish system. And that is yeah, that caught

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the attention of Henry Kissinger when he read the book

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and he told David Rockefler said, we need to make

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a committee just for this guy.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 3: So they created the Trial Outar Commission for Brezenski to

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Speaker 2: Get that up to today.

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Speaker 3: Lo and behold, as we learn from the Epstein Band

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and inner view, Epstein at age thirty was put on

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the steering committee of the Trilateral Commission by the Kissinger

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circles and to be directly under David Rockefeller. So there's

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a direct link from that to Epstein, and that explains

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why so much of the Epstein side projects that he

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ranch was a lot of you know, transhumanist ideology, so

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they believe in transhumanism. Technocracy directly plays into that. You

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for a long time over on my side that trans

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stuff is really another way to prep people, especially young people,

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for accepting transhumanism.

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Speaker 2: So that's the whole goal here that began in the

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seventies as well. Yep.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the whole movement has like the word trans or

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the prefix trans has been used multiple times since the seventies.

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Speaker 2: Eye a little bit a good point.

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Speaker 1: It can change from one thing into another car to

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a robot and all these little tiny implement implementations of

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mind control that have come in.

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Speaker 2: HG.

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Speaker 1: Wells is a significant figure in that. In that measure,

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you know, let's tie that into Epstein. I think that

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you're going on the right path here because the technocracy

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by itself, first of all, I don't think anything stops it.

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Speaker 2: I just don't.

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Speaker 1: I just don't think the world stops the technocratic rollout.

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I think it's eighty percent of the population has no idea,

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and of the eighty percent, ninety percent of them cheer

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it on. They really want a lazy lifestyle, so though

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they'll accept any any convenience or any comfort in lieu

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of privacy and rights. I mean, that's just been an

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obvious play for the last years.

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Speaker 2: But let's tie it into Epstein, the Trilateral Commission. I

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know you've been going through the files. Some of these

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files are hard to read.

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Speaker 1: I actually told myself, I'm not learning anything new from this.

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It's just proving things that I've been talking about for

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eight years, and that actually concerns me. It's almost an

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identical match to what we've been saying, the identical the

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identical nature. There's no chain of custody for these files.

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By the way, we have no idea who made them,

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who handled them, whether they're authentic or not. That is

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an issue that any any diligent what's the word I'm

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looking for here, honorable researcher would note is that there's

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no chain of custody. That's a very important thing when

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it comes to quote unquote evidence. But let's link this

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into Epstein, so technocracy Epstein. The really disturbing stuff here

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is not necessarily it's all disturbing.

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Speaker 2: I'll be honest, it's all disturbing.

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Speaker 1: But the real disturbing stuff here is, you know, the

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baby modification, the genetic modifications, the constant thought process behind

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how do we modify or utilize human beings. I mean,

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everyone's talking about the use of the word goiam. They've

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been calling us goiam for thousands of years.

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Speaker 2: Guys.

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Speaker 1: It's not like a new thing that just popped up.

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But you know, what are some of the files you're

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seeing right now where you're actually shaking your head.

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Speaker 2: You're probably like me.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at the stuff coming out. I'm researching some files,

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and I'm like, yeah, this is it's just proving what

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we've been saying. But that also to me gives me hesitation,

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conspiracy theories that that never happens usually a new twist

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to it or something deeper, we didn't know.

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Speaker 2: Where does your head rest with that right now? Jay?

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Speaker 3: I think they're legit. I mean I don't mean that

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every single thing is legit. I think that there was

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a lot of opposition to them coming out, which means

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that they didn't want them to be to be released,

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and we were given several fake releases and binders of

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stuff that had already come out. And yeah, I've been

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on this Epstein case for a little while, back to

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maybe twenty sixteen. Seventeen was the first time I heard

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about it. My publisher publishes Whitney Webb's book, which is

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a really good one, specifically volume two, so I think

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she did some really good research that's been vindicated. But

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two thousand and four, so it's a subject that I've

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been aware of and looked at for about twenty two years,

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loosely speaking.

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Speaker 2: Specifically ritual abuse and that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 3: So none of that surprises me because a lot of

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that was confirmed seen files, and there's many other cases

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that have popped up over the years that we've also

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looked at and read about and just discussed, like ELM

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Guesthouse in the UK, Saviles whole stuff. You know, there's

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the next sem call with the Bronfman's, there's you know,

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you can just sort of go on the Finder's case,

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the Franklin cover up, like you can just go on

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on Persidio with Michael Akino. So, uh, you know, I've

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known about all that stuff for a long time. McMartin preschool,

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Ted Gunnerson, all that stuff I think was legit. I

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remember watching Ted Gunnerson lectures on this stuff back when

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it was Google video back in like two.

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Speaker 2: Thousand and five or so.

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Speaker 3: That was kind of an introduction time for that for

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this subject matter, which you know, it's very dark, it's

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very difficult. So I think, like you said, all of

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that's really been kind of vindicated. I think his role

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as an attesche not just for David Rockefeller, but for

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the Rothchilds has also been vindicated. That was something that

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was very contentious.

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Speaker 2: I read.

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Speaker 3: I read a lot of stuff on the Rothchilds back

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in the two thousands, and I remember back then, if

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you talked about that, people just lose their they would

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lose their minds and go go after you, go crazy

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on you. But yeah, specifically, what shocks me and what's

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what's surprising isn't so much that kind of stuff, because,

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like you said, we knew that, we knew that was

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out there. But what has been the first thing that

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shot me was I remember because we've we followed it

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like every day this week, multiple hours as stuff kind

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of dripped out. The first thing that really surprised me

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was the nature and scope of his operation, which was

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so international. One of the things that everybody's already forgotten.

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Like the second day there was a list of like

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fifteen heads of states that he had planned to.

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Speaker 2: Go meet, so he was all over the globe. He's

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almost like.

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Speaker 3: A bond villain, like at the level of organized crime

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fixer international.

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Speaker 2: And I get the impression.

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but it really is true that when you read, say

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Whitney's book, the first several chapters, you get the impression

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that he's almost like brought into the Maxwell operation and

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taught how to do crime. It's like he's got like

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a high, like an advanced degree crime yea, and he

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seems better at that.

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Speaker 2: Than anything else.

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Speaker 3: Like when it comes to him yapping on about philosophy

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with Bannon, I don't think he really knew what he

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was talking about. When he yaps about technology and AI.

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A lot of people who study tech and AI. I'm

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not in that domain, but they've told me that it's

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just him sounding sounding off, trying to sound smart. He

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doesn't really know that stuff, but he doesn't spell palenteer,

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so like we know that.

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Speaker 2: The space.

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Speaker 3: You know, he had some hard time with some words there,

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which is kind of funny. And the grammar and all

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these emails is terrible.

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Speaker 2: Too, but horrible. A lot of people have noticed this,

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Like you would.

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Speaker 3: Think criminal masterminds would I guess that they don't care

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about spelling, right, and then movies they're very eloquent, right,

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and they do their villain gloat.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, so yeah, that's surprised me. The international scope

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of it.

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Speaker 3: The extent of it, the full spectrum dominance of it,

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because he's involved in everything from funding crypto projects to

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funding ideas in video games like Call of Duty. He's

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involved in explaining the Vatican banks inner workings to Larry Summers,

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who you would think Larry Summers knows that, but apparently

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Epstein had to explain.

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Speaker 2: That to him. He's involved. He also lived at the Vatican,

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according to his assistant. Correct.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Oh, that's another thing that we've hit on pretty

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hard that nobody else wants to talk about.

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Speaker 1: People forget the Rothchilds are the guardians of the papal treasure.

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Speaker 2: Also there are the papal bankers. Yes, since the eighteen

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thirty bankers of the Vatican.

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Speaker 3: First loans were in eighteen thirty two, and significant loans

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ever since then. That also explains, by the way, Gladio

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and the Vatican Bank stuff, which is a whole other

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rabbit trail to go down. But everyone should read Operation Gladio,

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by the way, absolutely, it's a great book.

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Speaker 2: And then you know Epstein.

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Speaker 3: Also, one thing that surprised me was that he seems

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to have had a hand almost in a lot of

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the big events for the last twenty years. So for example,

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the bailouts in Europe, there's those email exchanges where he

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was saying, Hey, we're going to be able to profit immensely.

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We can go in and buy up everything here in Greece.

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That's what our in under Rachild. So that's that's so legit.

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And then the other one with Zelensky Ukraine. He's flying

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over to the Ukraine a month before Zelenski comes to power,

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and then after that, Zelenski's in text messages saying I

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need the help of Jeffrey, get me, Jeffrey, I need

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to gon salt, need good salting.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 3: So that surprised me that it was that kind of

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like international. A lot of what he says to Bannon

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is pretty wild about you know, who's really running things.

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That it didn't surprise me to surprise me that they

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were that blatant in the way they talked about it.

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00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:41,319
And then we had another email that's already never forgotten

477
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,960
was the Somalia land email.

478
00:22:43,599 --> 00:22:45,960
Speaker 2: Where he talks to I forget who who he's talking to,

479
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:47,000
but he's basically.

480
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:49,519
Speaker 3: Saying, throughout the KO, through all the chaos that will

481
00:22:49,599 --> 00:22:51,839
cause in Somali, we'll be able to go in and

482
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:54,240
buy it up and renovate it.

483
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:54,799
Speaker 2: It'll be a.

484
00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:58,559
Speaker 3: Massive, you know, resource treasure house. And that ties in

485
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:02,119
exactly to the way. For example, Hillary back in her

486
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:03,920
emails and when when those were leaked and when she

487
00:23:04,079 --> 00:23:08,839
was writing about Libya to the Brookings Institute, Epstein said

488
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,680
the same thing about Libya and Gadafi's gold, like, we're

489
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,559
gonna go in pay to play, take the gold, and

490
00:23:14,599 --> 00:23:16,119
we'll divvy it up to all the people.

491
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:17,839
Speaker 2: That donate to the Clinton campaign. So it's like a

492
00:23:17,839 --> 00:23:18,960
big racket where.

493
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,599
Speaker 3: Donate to the Clinton campaign, you'll get a cut when

494
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,880
we go in for our foreign interventions into into Libya.

495
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:28,799
So we saw that with Somalia. That also explains why

496
00:23:28,839 --> 00:23:32,480
we would have so many migrants, I mean, one of

497
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:36,960
the reasons why I strayed so many migrants displaced anyway,

498
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,759
I'm rambling, but yeah, oh you're not. All the other

499
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:44,759
things were like massive, you know, not just vindicators, but

500
00:23:45,559 --> 00:23:49,160
but just showing the scope, industrial scale level stuff. I

501
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,839
think was the first thing that surprised me how how

502
00:23:51,839 --> 00:23:54,200
interconnected it was, because I remember twenty sixteen when it

503
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,839
first when I first heard of Jeffrey and all this stuff,

504
00:23:56,839 --> 00:24:00,319
it was maybe maybe it was a report of about

505
00:24:00,599 --> 00:24:03,599
Lolita Express, right, and oh there's this plane and they

506
00:24:03,599 --> 00:24:05,759
fly really rich people and celebrities around.

507
00:24:05,839 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 2: And you know, we didn't really have a know about

508
00:24:08,279 --> 00:24:08,680
the Black.

509
00:24:08,559 --> 00:24:11,079
Speaker 3: Bookyet, even though I think Nick Bryant, the journalist that

510
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,319
I'll be on with him tomorrow, like he was the

511
00:24:13,319 --> 00:24:14,279
first one say hi to him.

512
00:24:14,279 --> 00:24:15,200
Speaker 2: I had him on here last week.

513
00:24:15,279 --> 00:24:18,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was the one gawker that put the Black

514
00:24:18,079 --> 00:24:21,640
Book up, like even before all that. But I didn't

515
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,240
know about the Black Book. And twenty fifteen or sixteen, yeah,

516
00:24:24,279 --> 00:24:26,400
i'd heard of Epstein. I didn't know there was this

517
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:31,680
book anyway, long story short, Yeah, all of that's been vindicated,

518
00:24:31,759 --> 00:24:34,240
and it just really shows that one of the key

519
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,519
ways to understand how the world works, if you really

520
00:24:36,519 --> 00:24:39,920
want to get into this dark stuff, is to understand

521
00:24:40,039 --> 00:24:43,000
organized crime. Because we did a lot of podcasts and

522
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,359
deep dives into the history of the mafia in the

523
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:51,160
last century, because I think that's a key window to

524
00:24:51,279 --> 00:24:54,799
understand that because everybody understands the mafia. They understand yeah,

525
00:24:54,799 --> 00:24:57,680
I've seen the Godfather, right, but they don't think about

526
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:02,440
something like that. Being internationalists, scale they think about it like, oh, well,

527
00:25:02,519 --> 00:25:04,680
that's the guys in you know, New York or Brooklyn

528
00:25:04,759 --> 00:25:08,920
or whatever. There's no international conspiracy of you know, elites, right,

529
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,039
I'm talking about skeptics and people that still are denying

530
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:15,440
that there's this level of you know, James Bond, Spectorville

531
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:15,920
and stuff.

532
00:25:16,599 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 2: But you can look at the mafia and say, well,

533
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:18,720
I wait a minute, if.

534
00:25:18,599 --> 00:25:22,039
Speaker 3: It exists at a national level and there's a syndicate

535
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,559
throughout the US of organized crime, why would there not

536
00:25:25,599 --> 00:25:29,119
be possibly a syndicate internationally that operates this exact same way,

537
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:30,200
and low and behold is true.

538
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,440
Speaker 1: Well, I always tell people I draw the same conclusions there.

539
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:37,319
I mean, even initiation into the mafia requires you burning

540
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,759
a card of Christ America. Yeah, yeah, you keep your

541
00:25:40,799 --> 00:25:43,400
mouth shut o America. And when you look at that,

542
00:25:43,559 --> 00:25:45,720
the Italians get all the credit for the Jewish mafia

543
00:25:45,759 --> 00:25:47,079
is the most powerful mafia.

544
00:25:46,759 --> 00:25:47,160
Speaker 2: In the world.

545
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:50,119
Speaker 1: They were the overlords of the Italians, every Italian structure.

546
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:50,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, so my.

547
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:55,200
Speaker 3: Lucky Luciana went to Mayor Lanski to say, hey, how

548
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:56,599
do we structure this in the US?

549
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:58,640
Speaker 2: And that's what was structured. Yeah.

550
00:25:58,839 --> 00:26:01,440
Speaker 1: I always ask people what do you think learned it from?

551
00:26:01,559 --> 00:26:01,640
Speaker 3: All?

552
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:01,839
Speaker 2: Right?

553
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 1: Like do you think that mafia just invented the system.

554
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,200
The system is Babylonian nature. It actually goes back thousands

555
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,880
of years, right. You can trace this back to roots

556
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:13,119
that go very very deep outside the existing borders of

557
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,640
any nation today. And it links back into secret society

558
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:17,279
type stuff.

559
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 2: It does.

560
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:21,799
Speaker 3: It does in fact, and that ties into mafia is

561
00:26:21,799 --> 00:26:24,160
a secret society, like the Mafia's in secret society. And

562
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:28,119
it's also directly related to intelligence. And there's a great

563
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,200
book that I often refer to that we need to

564
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,160
just do a deep dive just on this book because

565
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:35,240
it's a really rare historical text. It's a History of

566
00:26:35,279 --> 00:26:39,759
Intelligence Services by Francis de Vornick, and it's going back

567
00:26:39,799 --> 00:26:42,319
to it's a scholarly work, not a conspiracy book. So

568
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,319
it's admitting things from a scholar perspective that in the

569
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,920
ancient world, cults and intelligence agencies were joined at the

570
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,920
hit they were the same. And say, if you go

571
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:57,799
back to Egypt, pharaoh's spies were the priests and the mailmen.

572
00:26:58,599 --> 00:27:00,960
And it makes sense why mailmen would spies because they're

573
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,200
taking you know, the messages of the king and whatnot. So, uh,

574
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,200
those were the earliest spies of course, obviously prostitutes were

575
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,799
spies as well, even in the ancient world, even in

576
00:27:09,799 --> 00:27:11,960
the Bible, right, I mean you have essentially the spies

577
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,119
going in and Rahab colluding with the Jews right.

578
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,279
Speaker 2: To be saved in that situation.

579
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,839
Speaker 3: So even the Bible teaches us these these basic principles.

580
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 2: And I did a talk i think last year.

581
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 3: When my book came out about espionage in the Bible,

582
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,400
and there's when you get into that, it's fascinating because

583
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,440
there's actually a lot of instances that people kind of forget,

584
00:27:31,519 --> 00:27:35,599
especially in the Old test of espionage and spycraft, just

585
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,920
even in scripture. So you know, God wouldn't put that

586
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:39,440
there if he didn't want us to at least have

587
00:27:39,559 --> 00:27:43,160
some awareness of that of that going on in the world.

588
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,599
But you're absolutely right, in an ancient world, they're directly connected.

589
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:50,759
Speaker 2: You know. I don't know what to say it than

590
00:27:50,799 --> 00:27:51,720
that that I totally agree.

591
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's almost like you know there, I've been studying

592
00:27:54,079 --> 00:27:56,359
this stuff for like a decade now, and when you

593
00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:00,319
start getting into the ancient esoteric mystery religion, start to

594
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,319
understand where Cabbala comes from, where all these theories come from.

595
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 2: They're all Satanic in nature. I mean, they're very Antichrist.

596
00:28:06,599 --> 00:28:10,279
Speaker 1: But they are the powers of the world, the powers

597
00:28:10,279 --> 00:28:12,759
that we see, right, they're what we see and don't

598
00:28:12,759 --> 00:28:15,000
see at the same time. But they all follow the

599
00:28:15,039 --> 00:28:17,240
same pattern. And you can look at you know, the

600
00:28:17,519 --> 00:28:21,839
connections between them all. You know, Freemason's Boulets, Illuminati, Jesuits.

601
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,799
The entire system is architected to be interconnected yet look

602
00:28:25,839 --> 00:28:29,200
separate from a part as though they're opposing, but they

603
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,559
work together on all types of stuff. And and Epstein,

604
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,640
in my opinion, was the connector between all of these groups.

605
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,599
He was the go between or the guy that arranged meetings.

606
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,240
Nothing he did was on his behalf. He was serving

607
00:28:40,279 --> 00:28:43,920
someone and everyone appointed to Rockefeller or a Rothschild. But

608
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,200
I don't know that they're actually in charge. I don't,

609
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,519
you know, No one knows. But this mystery religion, this

610
00:28:49,599 --> 00:28:53,720
Babylonian cult nature where they're practicing power on earth. I

611
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:55,160
think one of the things that I've talked about, and

612
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,680
I'm sure that you've read into this as well. You know,

613
00:28:57,799 --> 00:28:59,960
probably eight years ago I really got law it's where

614
00:29:00,119 --> 00:29:03,480
that's where I found Christ. But I got really lost

615
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,079
in this rabbit hole of trying to figure out why

616
00:29:05,079 --> 00:29:06,960
in the world people would hurt these kids, like why

617
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:12,160
would you kidnap kids, sexually assault them, murder them, eat them,

618
00:29:13,079 --> 00:29:16,119
you know, all this kind of stuff super dark. I

619
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,400
actually don't advise many people to do it, especially if

620
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,160
you don't have faith. I advise you to stay away

621
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,839
from it. But when you start doing this, you start

622
00:29:22,839 --> 00:29:25,359
realizing that what they're doing is sacrificing the innocence of

623
00:29:25,359 --> 00:29:28,759
a child two demons like that is what they are doing.

624
00:29:28,759 --> 00:29:31,960
They're sacrificing the in because only those of childlike faith

625
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,680
will enter the gates of heaven. So they're stealing away

626
00:29:34,759 --> 00:29:37,720
their innocence for earthly power. And people will equate that

627
00:29:37,759 --> 00:29:40,680
to blackmail, and they'll equate it to you know, having

628
00:29:41,279 --> 00:29:44,119
what's the word that they use, collateral on each other.

629
00:29:44,519 --> 00:29:47,720
But the reality, that's the earthly part of it. The

630
00:29:47,759 --> 00:29:50,960
reality is these people actually are far more religious than

631
00:29:51,039 --> 00:29:53,720
any of you watching this show, and they believe things

632
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,759
in the opposite direction, and they will absolutely give their

633
00:29:56,799 --> 00:30:01,480
life for this ancient esoteric mystery religion, which is Satanism.

634
00:30:02,119 --> 00:30:04,640
So when you're looking at the stuff with the how

635
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,960
do you tie in the kids? People will always say, well,

636
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,400
they're looking for collateral in these people. They want to

637
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,680
have a video or at least a know how, a

638
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,519
tattle tale to use against them. Sure, certainly that's that's

639
00:30:14,519 --> 00:30:18,319
for the for the power, but the spiritual power that

640
00:30:18,359 --> 00:30:21,000
these people are trying to harness through this ancient practice.

641
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,480
This is nothing new, Jay, You know this better than anybody. Like,

642
00:30:24,559 --> 00:30:28,640
child trafficking has existed since children were born. Child sacrifice

643
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:32,319
has existed for far beyond the beginning of the Bible. Right,

644
00:30:32,359 --> 00:30:34,160
so well, not the Garden of Eden, but call it

645
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,759
Garden of Eden into Exodus. Then you have ball and

646
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,359
Moloch and rem Fambiel Zabob, any name you want to

647
00:30:41,359 --> 00:30:44,039
give them. These people have been heavily, heavily a cult.

648
00:30:44,079 --> 00:30:46,480
And people think a cult means satanic. It just means hidden.

649
00:30:46,519 --> 00:30:49,920
It certainly has Satanic ties, but they're hiding this stuff

650
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,279
in plain sight. And the craziest part about it for

651
00:30:53,279 --> 00:30:56,079
all of you out there, is that these people, these Satanists,

652
00:30:56,119 --> 00:30:59,240
are the best liars on planet Earth. They can they

653
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,640
can you know, the devil scripture better than any human being,

654
00:31:02,119 --> 00:31:04,880
and they serve him and they will use scripture against

655
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,559
people to lead them in the wrong direction. And you know,

656
00:31:07,599 --> 00:31:11,400
as this technocratic system rolls out, which is clear and obvious,

657
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,279
like there's no conspiracy theory behind this, when you're putting

658
00:31:14,279 --> 00:31:17,480
out almost a trillion, actually one point two trillion dollars

659
00:31:17,519 --> 00:31:19,680
in data centers and funding for Palenteer and.

660
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 2: Oracle and all these other groups.

661
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: This, this group of people cast spells on the world.

662
00:31:26,519 --> 00:31:30,319
They really do, whether it's through film or music or whatever.

663
00:31:30,839 --> 00:31:32,559
They've been doing this for a very long time to

664
00:31:32,599 --> 00:31:35,039
distract us, and now people are starting to understand it

665
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,359
in this era that we live in right now, where

666
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:40,519
there's two ways to look at it. The truth is

667
00:31:40,559 --> 00:31:44,759
being exposed, justice will be served, We'll see, we'll see.

668
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,720
I'm personally not on the bandwagon saying that that's going

669
00:31:47,759 --> 00:31:50,880
to happen. I'm on the bandwagon of saying that some

670
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,160
people will probably pay a price, but most will walk

671
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,680
free on you know, a plausible deniability or whatever they

672
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,160
want to use, because they created the laws in the

673
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,839
beginning to escapegoat them. The other side is that there's

674
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,960
this great delusion. You talked about, the great delusion that's

675
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,200
being cast on the earth from Second Thessalonians. Part of

676
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,200
that delusion, I believe, right now is you know, everything

677
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,160
was driven by fear. All all of human society has

678
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,519
been driven like the ranchers have controlled the cattle through

679
00:32:14,559 --> 00:32:19,960
fear for generations and millennium. The future is comfort, right,

680
00:32:20,039 --> 00:32:22,759
that is what a technocracy provides. They will control you

681
00:32:22,839 --> 00:32:27,119
through comfort as opposed through fear. So this exposure happens

682
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,720
every you know, the economists call it a fourth turning,

683
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,319
you know, the evil people call it a great reset.

684
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,039
Other people just call it a reset. These resets have

685
00:32:36,079 --> 00:32:39,400
occurred many times throughout history. Every single time the new

686
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,960
one taking power exposed the old. Nothing happened to the old,

687
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:44,880
but they exposed them, so nobody. So people, I don't

688
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,200
want anything to do with this, And I think that

689
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,960
that Epstein, in my opinion, will be used in this

690
00:32:50,039 --> 00:32:52,359
surveillance state model as well, because they're going to say, well, look,

691
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,039
we captured all of this information. We captured all of

692
00:32:55,079 --> 00:32:58,079
it on emails, videos, stored in computers.

693
00:32:57,599 --> 00:32:58,799
Speaker 2: We captured it all digitally.

694
00:32:59,279 --> 00:33:02,599
Speaker 1: So now we're need access to everyone's digital information, for

695
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:04,880
which they already have, but we want your permission for

696
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,359
it forever, so that no child ever gets harmed. And

697
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,039
if you deny that, they're going to say, well, you're

698
00:33:09,039 --> 00:33:12,799
a pedophile protector, right, you see the dialectic that's playing

699
00:33:12,839 --> 00:33:14,359
out with us to use at.

700
00:33:14,319 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 3: The Yeah, they'll probably do that at the same time

701
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,240
as trying to normalize.

702
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is on camera saying he thought Epstein was

703
00:33:23,839 --> 00:33:26,839
a cool guy. You have these cool guy Epstein memes

704
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:28,720
going out right, is it's thoroughly disgusting.

705
00:33:28,759 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 2: But what the hell is happening with this? Jay? What

706
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:32,839
what are you seeing with this? It's confusing.

707
00:33:34,119 --> 00:33:37,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you nailed it there with what they've

708
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,000
chosen to go with for the for the model of

709
00:33:40,039 --> 00:33:44,279
this technocracy, which is not the you know, boot stamping

710
00:33:44,319 --> 00:33:46,599
on your face like there may be some of that,

711
00:33:46,759 --> 00:33:50,440
but it's not the model in general that Orwell talks about.

712
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,119
Speaker 2: It's the brave New World model, which.

713
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:56,039
Speaker 3: Is about pleasure and you get the he said about

714
00:33:56,079 --> 00:33:58,880
that book that they're going to control us through drugs

715
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,559
and pleasure and sensation. And a lot of people don't

716
00:34:02,599 --> 00:34:04,839
know this, but that's a very important novel if you

717
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,200
go back and pay attention to it. And we recently

718
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,800
did a second to deep Dive ten years later with

719
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,079
my buddy Frank over it. Quite frankly, I think it's

720
00:34:13,079 --> 00:34:15,639
in his it's in our members section. I can't knowmber

721
00:34:15,639 --> 00:34:18,199
if it's public or not. But one thing I didn't

722
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,719
notice until going back and reviewing that book was that

723
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,920
Mustapha Mond, who's the villain character, who's the one of

724
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,440
the world's socialist controllers, he's.

725
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:28,800
Speaker 2: Actually a pedophile.

726
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:31,280
Speaker 3: And they make that clear at the end of the

727
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:35,519
second chapter where instead of Jesus saying let the children

728
00:34:35,599 --> 00:34:39,679
come onto me, Mustapha Mond says, let them come on

729
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:41,440
to me. And it's in the context of what in

730
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:45,159
the novel they call erotic play. And in that future,

731
00:34:45,159 --> 00:34:48,360
that dystopia, everybody has to be erotic with everybody else,

732
00:34:49,079 --> 00:34:50,480
Like you have to touch butts.

733
00:34:50,519 --> 00:34:51,079
Speaker 2: You can't.

734
00:34:51,119 --> 00:34:54,079
Speaker 3: There's no it's against the law to not be with

735
00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:58,000
anybody who wants you. So it's a that might be

736
00:34:58,039 --> 00:35:01,800
a little extreme, but the that is the future will

737
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,760
be a technocracy where you're enslaved by your passions and

738
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,599
my pleasure, not by the bootstamping on your face. I

739
00:35:07,599 --> 00:35:11,199
think you're absolutely right there. Huxley was more correct on

740
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:15,360
that point than Orwell was. That's where they're going. They've

741
00:35:15,559 --> 00:35:18,800
definitely been selling this whole technocracy on the basis of

742
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,199
ease and convenience. Totally right on all those points, and

743
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,880
that's I think they've you know, actuaried that out, that

744
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:29,000
that's the most effective way to get people on board,

745
00:35:29,079 --> 00:35:33,360
and they'll they'll sacrifice privacy and rights it for that convenience.

746
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 2: And they learned that after nine.

747
00:35:35,199 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 3: To eleven, right, people will are willing to give all

748
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:42,000
that up for convenience since perceived safety, which is ridiculous

749
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,239
because the people behind this are the ones telling you

750
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:45,079
that you're going to be safe.

751
00:35:45,119 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 2: So yeah, I agree with all that. I also agree that.

752
00:35:50,119 --> 00:35:52,519
Speaker 3: We saw, for example, in the last year, this push,

753
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:57,840
especially in Western countries, for digital ID to protect the kids.

754
00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:59,760
And oh and now we all see how absurd this

755
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:03,079
is because the establishment for claiming it's desire to protect

756
00:36:03,119 --> 00:36:06,119
the kids through digital ID is the establishment protecting the

757
00:36:06,119 --> 00:36:09,960
PDFs and involved in those kind of international operations. Now,

758
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:11,840
for people to say that this isn't real, well, why

759
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:13,880
are people stepping down? I mean, I've already seen a

760
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,679
lot of pms and that's great they're stepping down, But

761
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,119
I mean they're not being brought to justice, just stepping

762
00:36:19,159 --> 00:36:21,119
down from some cushy position to go into some other

763
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:22,199
cushy position.

764
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,079
Speaker 2: Is not justice.

765
00:36:24,119 --> 00:36:27,199
Speaker 3: So I, like you, I don't expect that we're going

766
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,880
to see mass arrest or some sort of round up

767
00:36:30,119 --> 00:36:33,599
or anything other than probably a mid level people, a

768
00:36:33,639 --> 00:36:38,039
low level people taking the brunt of the heat. That's

769
00:36:38,079 --> 00:36:39,960
exactly what we've seen in the past too, right, you

770
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,119
have people like Mark Dutroux and the du trou affair.

771
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:43,960
That famous incident went all the way up to the

772
00:36:44,039 --> 00:36:47,000
highest levels of the Belgian government. A million people marsh

773
00:36:47,039 --> 00:36:48,960
in the street. The only person that got in trouble

774
00:36:49,039 --> 00:36:50,480
was dutrou and maybe one other dude.

775
00:36:50,559 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 2: So yeah, I don't think that.

776
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 3: But also I think that people are beginning to doubt

777
00:36:57,119 --> 00:37:00,360
the system at a mass level. And where exactly that

778
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,960
we'll go I don't know. But unfortunately people keep getting duped.

779
00:37:04,039 --> 00:37:07,880
They're so often duped by When the establishment senses that

780
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:12,119
people are beginning to move away from its perspective, they

781
00:37:12,199 --> 00:37:16,039
will put forward the opposition or the you know, the control.

782
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,800
This we know about controlled opposition, and it's unfortunate because

783
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:21,719
people keep falling for it.

784
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:27,039
Speaker 1: So, you know, there's are so easy to see and

785
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,159
it is wow, they're on our No one's on your side,

786
00:37:30,559 --> 00:37:32,000
No one at the high levels on your side.

787
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:36,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't get to certain tiers.

788
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:41,079
Speaker 3: And remember this was the system that Epstein was was

789
00:37:41,119 --> 00:37:45,920
part of, was they would compromise people at higher and

790
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:49,440
higher levels with darker and darker stuff. I think that's

791
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,000
the way it works because to move up you need

792
00:37:52,039 --> 00:37:53,920
to they need more dirt on you then to make

793
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,320
sure that you're you know fully on board. And again

794
00:37:58,079 --> 00:38:01,679
that's not surprising because criminal gangs operate that way. You

795
00:38:01,679 --> 00:38:04,880
know MS thirteen for example, They want you to do

796
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,639
way more than the Sicilian mafia to be part of

797
00:38:07,639 --> 00:38:10,400
that game. So they have expectations of no, you don't

798
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,119
just need to need to kill women and children, not

799
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,719
just to kill people women and children, right, So it

800
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,960
gets darker and darker as you go up. That's something

801
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:19,440
we've highlighted too with I think a lot of the

802
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,440
pop stars and the celebrities, in order to get to

803
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,639
those tiers, it seems like they have to engage in

804
00:38:24,679 --> 00:38:27,480
more and more degrading practices. And if you think that's crazy,

805
00:38:28,039 --> 00:38:29,960
most people don't think C. S. Lewis was crazy. They

806
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,599
think he was a great writer, great author, but not

807
00:38:32,679 --> 00:38:35,800
many people remember that. In the Space Trilogy, in the

808
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,880
third volume, when the protagonist who's in a new world

809
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,400
order situation. It's a technocracy that they're setting up the

810
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:45,719
aliens or demons in the novel when he's joining Nice

811
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:47,960
in Ice, which is kind of a joke because it's

812
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,880
the it's the technocrats who say that they're NICE as

813
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:52,599
an organization, but they're they're.

814
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,599
Speaker 2: Creating a world government to depopulate everybody.

815
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,760
Speaker 3: He has to go through this degrading satanic ritual to

816
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,559
join NICE, and you know, he doesn't understand why I

817
00:39:01,559 --> 00:39:03,719
has to do this, but it's precisely because of what

818
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,039
we're talking about. To make sure that your conscience is

819
00:39:06,079 --> 00:39:09,880
seared and that you're willing to serve evil at all costs,

820
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:11,440
and they have the dirt on you and etcetera. And

821
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:14,159
like you said, it's also demonic too, that it's not

822
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:18,440
just the earthly plane of blackmail. It's also making sure

823
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,920
that you're on board with this demonic power. So yeah,

824
00:39:22,039 --> 00:39:24,079
I pretty much agree with everything you said.

825
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 1: Well, I'm trying to get some disagreement, Jay, but I

826
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:30,000
get there. Yeah, that's what that's what religion's for.

827
00:39:30,079 --> 00:39:30,679
Speaker 2: I guess, uh.

828
00:39:31,679 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 1: On the on the on the other side of stuff,

829
00:39:33,639 --> 00:39:35,360
we have to look at this from a perspective because

830
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:39,320
the the the the concept you just gave where literally

831
00:39:39,559 --> 00:39:41,599
its like one and a half million people were marching

832
00:39:41,639 --> 00:39:43,880
the street. Back then, two guys paid the price. I think,

833
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:45,880
I think you're right. There's there's the main guy. There

834
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:46,840
was another guy, du.

835
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 2: Trou and then I think some other like procureur dude.

836
00:39:49,639 --> 00:39:51,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he was just he was just a middle

837
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:54,360
man and it was It was no more than four

838
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,639
weeks later everyone was like, Okay, it's over right. That's

839
00:39:57,639 --> 00:40:00,079
how humanity works. And right now, the speed of information,

840
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:04,039
the speed of info, like I did a talk about

841
00:40:04,079 --> 00:40:08,960
twelve years ago about information overload twelve years ago, and

842
00:40:09,039 --> 00:40:11,719
back then the stats were staggering, like the average human

843
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:13,960
being who was on the Internet for four to six

844
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,039
hours per day was absorbing between one hundred and fifty

845
00:40:17,039 --> 00:40:18,679
and two hundred and fifty thousand.

846
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 2: Words per day.

847
00:40:20,199 --> 00:40:22,760
Speaker 1: That was twelve years ago, before TikTok, before any of

848
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,159
this other stuff. That was when you had to read

849
00:40:25,159 --> 00:40:29,480
the internet. Now, with video consumption, this constant barragement into

850
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,559
people's brains right now is just scrambling them. And I

851
00:40:32,559 --> 00:40:34,880
think they're going to accept anything and pleasure and comfort.

852
00:40:35,119 --> 00:40:36,559
I agree with that that is going to be the

853
00:40:36,599 --> 00:40:39,599
new twist because everyone now you have the expose, everything

854
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:41,280
is being exposed of the past.

855
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,199
Speaker 2: These cruel overloads. They're cruel to you, right, just like

856
00:40:44,199 --> 00:40:47,280
the devil would be. They're cruel to you. Come to me, right.

857
00:40:47,519 --> 00:40:49,800
Speaker 1: I think of Xerxes in three hundred going to the

858
00:40:50,639 --> 00:40:52,159
guy with the hump on his back and he's like,

859
00:40:52,199 --> 00:40:55,840
you're Leonidas is cruel, but I'm kind right as he's

860
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:56,400
sitting there.

861
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 2: In an orgy of demonic activity.

862
00:40:59,039 --> 00:41:01,760
Speaker 1: It's the same exact setting that society is going through

863
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:03,440
because they're going to say, listen, we don't want.

864
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:05,679
Speaker 2: These brutal overlords that are doing these things.

865
00:41:05,679 --> 00:41:08,199
Speaker 1: Now, we don't even need them. We can have machines

866
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,199
do their job. We don't have to worry about human

867
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:13,039
interference in government. We don't have to worry about any

868
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:16,000
you know, nonsensical issues coming from the government if it's

869
00:41:16,039 --> 00:41:17,800
coming from an AI system. But in order for that

870
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:19,960
AI system to work, you're all going to have to comply,

871
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,800
and that compliance will be done. I have no hesitation

872
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,960
that eighty percent of the population will rush to it

873
00:41:27,559 --> 00:41:31,039
after they're procured the right way. Because Hegelian dialectic is misunderstood.

874
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,519
It's create the problem for the solution, but in the

875
00:41:33,519 --> 00:41:35,800
middle you use the reaction of the best way to

876
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:40,079
implement the solution psychologically. And they have so much data

877
00:41:40,119 --> 00:41:44,519
coming from the outrage of anything, whether it's tariffs, you know,

878
00:41:44,559 --> 00:41:48,039
even the small stuff, right, whether it's the Academy Awards

879
00:41:48,119 --> 00:41:49,760
or whatever it is. They have all this data coming

880
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,400
out on human beings as being processed at light speed.

881
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,079
I just don't I just don't see. I just don't

882
00:41:55,199 --> 00:41:57,960
envision how we get out of it except for a

883
00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:59,880
select few. Right, there will be a select few that

884
00:42:00,039 --> 00:42:02,400
the buck the system because the digital idea that you

885
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:05,960
went through, that's going to happen, Like, that's absolutely.

886
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 2: Going to happen.

887
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:09,679
Speaker 1: AI is being unrestrained at this point in time, and

888
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:10,760
I am in that space.

889
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:12,639
Speaker 2: There are no guardrails.

890
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,559
Speaker 1: I've talked to people inside almost all of the major

891
00:42:15,599 --> 00:42:17,599
AI companies and I'm like, are there guardrails?

892
00:42:17,639 --> 00:42:18,119
Speaker 2: Like, nope.

893
00:42:18,519 --> 00:42:20,800
Speaker 1: The only guardrail is your human creativity and what you

894
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:24,000
can get the AI to do. So eventually there'll be

895
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,239
an Eric and Jay Dyer fight video that comes out

896
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,320
that will look totally real, like you and I jumped

897
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,760
out of the screen and had a fist fight, you know,

898
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,559
and killed each other, and people will think we're both murderers,

899
00:42:34,639 --> 00:42:38,360
and then eventually we're going to be begging for justice

900
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,559
of who made that video, right, or like imagine any

901
00:42:41,639 --> 00:42:44,519
video AI can make that is one that is one

902
00:42:44,599 --> 00:42:47,079
wrench that they're using, that's one beating you over the

903
00:42:47,079 --> 00:42:49,599
head with something to get you to comply. Then you

904
00:42:49,639 --> 00:42:51,320
have the other side of Epstein, right, Like you don't

905
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,119
want to be a pedophile. We need full surveillance. We

906
00:42:53,159 --> 00:42:55,400
have to surveil all the powerful people, and that includes

907
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,320
you as a peon who has nothing to do with us,

908
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:58,800
but you need to be part of it as well.

909
00:42:59,599 --> 00:43:03,480
This Gaelien dialectic, is it like the ranchers are very smart,

910
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,360
the cattle are very dumb, and that you know, go

911
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:07,119
back to animal farm.

912
00:43:07,159 --> 00:43:09,119
Speaker 2: It's a great Oh yeah, yeah.

913
00:43:09,199 --> 00:43:13,199
Speaker 3: In fact, I'm totally forgot that because my buddy and I, Tristan,

914
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:14,840
we did the animal farm last year.

915
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,039
Speaker 2: Actually I forgot about that. Well, let me ask you

916
00:43:18,119 --> 00:43:18,800
one question.

917
00:43:18,599 --> 00:43:22,119
Speaker 3: There on that comment that you made, because I mean,

918
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:26,079
I've I've read books, but I'm not involved in in

919
00:43:26,119 --> 00:43:27,920
the text sector really, so I don't really get a

920
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:31,119
lot of tech stuff like when you say there's no guardrails,

921
00:43:31,119 --> 00:43:32,639
and I know you give the example of you know,

922
00:43:32,679 --> 00:43:34,599
a video coming out about a fight or something like that,

923
00:43:34,639 --> 00:43:40,079
like beyond the the damaging of the credibility of visual imagery.

924
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,079
Speaker 2: What exactly in terms of because.

925
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 3: Everybody says, oh, yeah, I was going to take the

926
00:43:44,519 --> 00:43:46,719
job of a paralegal AA is going to take when

927
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,360
you when you speak of like the like how far

928
00:43:49,559 --> 00:43:54,039
reaching does no guard rails go? Like what do you

929
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,320
foresee with this in terms of specifically AI and the

930
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:58,639
economy and in society?

931
00:43:59,119 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 1: Well, so the the only so when I talk about guardrails,

932
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:05,440
I'm talking about guardrails against the detriment of humanity. How

933
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:09,360
can this machinery be used without killing humans? And I

934
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,079
don't mean that like physically, I mean like destroying humanity

935
00:44:12,079 --> 00:44:14,360
as a whole, which it certainly has the capability to do.

936
00:44:15,119 --> 00:44:17,840
The governing boards are not around that. They're around the

937
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,639
growth and expansion and the constant learning of AI. So

938
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,519
AI began as machine learning. They taught machines how to learn.

939
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:26,119
Now they're teaching them how to think. Eventually you get

940
00:44:26,119 --> 00:44:28,880
into a gentic where they're just semi sentient. They'll never

941
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:30,719
be sentient. They don't have a soul like machine does

942
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,320
not have a soul. However, you know, I have a

943
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,280
good friend of mine. I say his name, but he

944
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,800
is one of ten people around the world that are

945
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,159
paid a significant amount of money when a new AI

946
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,920
system comes out, and his job is to see how

947
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,800
fast he can get instructions from AI on how to

948
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,599
destroy humanity. So he is one of the ten people

949
00:44:48,599 --> 00:44:50,599
in the world that people pay because they're very good

950
00:44:50,599 --> 00:44:53,760
at questioning the AI and essentially he has yet to

951
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:57,199
find an AI system that with the right coercing won't

952
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:00,760
get there within thirty minutes. Go to AI and ask

953
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:02,320
them like, how would you get away with you know,

954
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,639
destroy how would you destroy America? We have to guard

955
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,800
that kind of stuff, but it's not being guarded because

956
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:12,079
profit is the key. So the when AI competition becomes

957
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:16,320
privatized and you have AI competitors working on creating a

958
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,159
smarter AI that does more things, they of course start

959
00:45:19,199 --> 00:45:22,800
with simple stuff like paraalegals will be removed. You do

960
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:24,719
not you already don't need them, Like I run a

961
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,280
company and we use AI for at least fifty percent

962
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,840
of our contracts for simple contracts, so you.

963
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:30,679
Speaker 2: Don't really need them now.

964
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 1: They will be removed. Lawyers will be removed. I think

965
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:35,599
the legal system will be removed. I think that this

966
00:45:35,679 --> 00:45:39,280
movie coming out with Chris prattin it is foreshadowing of Yeah.

967
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,519
Speaker 2: I just mentioned that yesterday on my interview.

968
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 1: It's pure foreshadowing. And the one who will be destroyed

969
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,039
is the creator because the creator will be the only

970
00:45:46,039 --> 00:45:47,639
one who knows how to unplug it. You see how

971
00:45:47,679 --> 00:45:49,840
that works? Like, that's why they went after the guy

972
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:53,719
who created that AI Justice system. Oh interesting and set

973
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,079
of I haven't seen the movie, but I can pretty

974
00:45:56,119 --> 00:45:59,840
pretty well. Yeah, right, but guardrails include these things, guardrails

975
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,800
and clue. How do we roll out like technology has

976
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,679
always been rolled out slowly, like the llms that we're

977
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,199
seeing right now. The friends of mine who are in

978
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:11,519
the intelligence agencies years ago, when they saw chat GPT,

979
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:13,280
I called one of them and I said, hey, this

980
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:16,280
is pretty pretty fantastic, right, this is a way for

981
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:19,559
anyone to cut out fifty sixty hours of research every

982
00:46:19,559 --> 00:46:22,360
fifteen minutes. And he said, yeah, no, it's great. He's like,

983
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,320
we've had those in the agencies for thirty years. So

984
00:46:25,559 --> 00:46:27,480
like you talked about the Internet rolling going from DARPA

985
00:46:27,519 --> 00:46:30,679
to ARPA into the Internet. That's how these AI systems

986
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:33,159
are being rolled out. Normally, they're rolled out in a

987
00:46:33,199 --> 00:46:35,639
controlled environment, which I guess you could say AI is

988
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:39,559
fairly controlled from an outsider perspective, because it looks like

989
00:46:39,599 --> 00:46:42,440
it's just doing you know, hunt and peck search stuff

990
00:46:42,559 --> 00:46:46,039
helps you think, figure out, but imagine what happens behind

991
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:50,280
the what the retail user sees because these are advanced systems.

992
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:53,480
These things are probably thirty or forty years more advanced, doesn't.

993
00:46:53,679 --> 00:46:56,679
Speaker 3: Me My next question goes, yeah, typically we think about,

994
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,559
you know, the technology being a decades ahead of what

995
00:47:00,159 --> 00:47:02,480
the public. What do you what does that actually mean?

996
00:47:02,559 --> 00:47:04,480
Because I've got like Ray kurtz File and I've got

997
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,119
people like Jacquette Lee and you know, their projections of

998
00:47:07,159 --> 00:47:09,920
what they think tech and AI will be like in

999
00:47:10,079 --> 00:47:13,239
a few decades, by twenty forty, twenty fifty. But what's

1000
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:18,199
a realistic in your conception idea of what an AI

1001
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:20,800
that's ten or twenty or thirty years ahead?

1002
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 1: Like?

1003
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,760
Speaker 2: What what is it? What? How can I phrase this?

1004
00:47:24,159 --> 00:47:28,639
Speaker 3: What does it actually do that's better? Or is it

1005
00:47:28,679 --> 00:47:32,840
just faster? Or is it like, Okay, I think i'd

1006
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:34,760
a phrase the question I mean in other words, like

1007
00:47:35,039 --> 00:47:38,480
is there a peak where that it can't do anything else?

1008
00:47:38,519 --> 00:47:39,840
Does that make sense what I'm asking?

1009
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 2: Like?

1010
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,760
Speaker 1: Well, AI is a bridge, right, So AI is a

1011
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:47,320
bridge between theoretical quantum computing, like when quantum computing comes

1012
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:48,159
into play if it.

1013
00:47:48,119 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 2: Does, right, like, we don't don't know yet.

1014
00:47:49,519 --> 00:47:52,599
Speaker 1: It's theoretically theoretical, so we're looking at you know, basics.

1015
00:47:52,639 --> 00:47:57,079
Basics behind a quantum computer are pretty simple, normal you know,

1016
00:47:57,599 --> 00:48:00,320
digital systems or are your average computer right now now

1017
00:48:00,559 --> 00:48:02,880
can if there was a piece of cheese and amaze

1018
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:06,119
the size of your entire town. Computers right now can

1019
00:48:06,159 --> 00:48:08,800
release an unlimited amount of mice to find the cheese,

1020
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,119
one at a time. A quantum computer can release every

1021
00:48:11,119 --> 00:48:12,920
mouse in the world and find the cheese in you know,

1022
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:14,880
less than a millisecond, because they just drop all the

1023
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:16,559
mice in the world. Like, It's kind of the easy

1024
00:48:16,559 --> 00:48:19,440
way to think of that computing power. AI is a bridge,

1025
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:23,440
and AI by itself, when you're building AI with quantum

1026
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:25,519
behind it, we don't know what that looks like. I

1027
00:48:25,559 --> 00:48:27,400
don't know, and I'm by far not an expert. JA

1028
00:48:27,519 --> 00:48:29,880
I'm just a you know, I do off grid energy

1029
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,639
and bitcoin mining stuff and oil and gas stuff. But

1030
00:48:32,679 --> 00:48:33,960
it come from the tech space, and I have a

1031
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:35,760
lot of friends there, and I interview a lot of people,

1032
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:37,360
and I know a lot of people that I talk to. Sure,

1033
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,119
And what I see right now is AI is really

1034
00:48:40,119 --> 00:48:43,280
a system being built for robotics. So robotics right now

1035
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:45,599
are slaves. Like that's the best way to think of it.

1036
00:48:45,599 --> 00:48:47,599
I saw a video ten minutes before we hopped on

1037
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:53,280
of Chinese robotics scaling hills faster than a human soldier could, squatting, firing,

1038
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:56,440
never missing a shot, reloading magazines faster.

1039
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:57,159
Speaker 2: Than a human being can do.

1040
00:48:57,199 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 1: They're being commanded to do that, However, the ultimate goal

1041
00:49:01,679 --> 00:49:04,360
is to have them not be commanded, right, is to

1042
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:08,039
just say, like to create a false being that will

1043
00:49:08,039 --> 00:49:10,440
follow orders. But more importantly, it'll think on the fly.

1044
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:12,800
It'll be able to say, there's a thread over here,

1045
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,079
I need to readjust to this direction. You know, I

1046
00:49:15,079 --> 00:49:17,239
had Glenn Ignasia on the show who does AI in

1047
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:19,800
the military space, and the stuff that he's telling me

1048
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,239
that you know, you have these unmanned f thirty fives

1049
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:24,159
that are flying around the world. The good part is

1050
00:49:24,199 --> 00:49:26,239
there's no one behind a cockpit who's scared to die,

1051
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,760
so they'll achieve the mission. The bad part is there's

1052
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:31,440
no human being behind the cockpit who will stop the mission.

1053
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:35,079
So when you have this system being built in place

1054
00:49:35,079 --> 00:49:38,280
where you have something else thinking for you, that's a danger.

1055
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:41,599
The real danger, from my point of view, is humanity,

1056
00:49:42,079 --> 00:49:45,719
not AI. Right now, you have a pretty big x

1057
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:48,519
account and how many times do you put a post

1058
00:49:48,519 --> 00:49:52,079
out daily and at least ten percent of the people

1059
00:49:52,119 --> 00:49:53,239
type in at groc?

1060
00:49:53,559 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 2: Is this true? Yeah?

1061
00:49:55,679 --> 00:49:58,119
Speaker 1: Like that's the real issue with AI. AI is going

1062
00:49:58,199 --> 00:50:00,960
to scale. It's going to scale over. There's enough money

1063
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,599
flooding into it, they'll figure it out. The real issue

1064
00:50:03,639 --> 00:50:06,239
is how much of our consciousness are we handing over

1065
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,440
to machines to tell us the truth that Like, look

1066
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:13,840
at where Google started. Look how Google manipulated search engines

1067
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:17,840
to drive a consensus thought or a hive mind. Imagine

1068
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,880
what happens with AI because AI works totally different. Like

1069
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:22,840
an LLLM is pretty simple. Whatever you put in the

1070
00:50:23,079 --> 00:50:26,480
LM that is going to everyone. You're adding to the profile.

1071
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:28,960
So if you were there's a post out here today,

1072
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:32,559
Elon was advocating for people to upload their medical data

1073
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:36,480
into GROCK. Don't do that. Do not ever think of

1074
00:50:36,599 --> 00:50:40,960
AI as a stranger who's wearing metaglasses and a recording device.

1075
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:45,039
That's what an LM is, So don't share personal information.

1076
00:50:45,079 --> 00:50:47,079
That's how they're going to be able to manipulate. But

1077
00:50:47,119 --> 00:50:49,480
look at the social engineering that will occur from this Jay.

1078
00:50:50,159 --> 00:50:51,880
Just think of where we are today with what we

1079
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:55,239
can see from a retail perspective. You have prayer apps,

1080
00:50:55,599 --> 00:50:58,400
you have you know, confession apps, you have all these

1081
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:00,360
other apps that are connected into as system, and that's

1082
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,800
thinking along the hive mind of humanity. So it has

1083
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,679
all of your deepest concerns from a prayer perspective. It

1084
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:10,119
has all your likes and dislikes of where you really

1085
00:51:10,159 --> 00:51:12,760
disengage with humanity and how you disappear, or whether you

1086
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:16,119
watch sports or comedy or cat videos. It can swirl

1087
00:51:16,159 --> 00:51:18,880
all that up into an agenda and then disseminate that

1088
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:22,480
agenda with no guardrails, especially if it's closed source, not

1089
00:51:22,599 --> 00:51:26,239
open sourced, and fully centralized, which is what most AI is.

1090
00:51:27,039 --> 00:51:28,679
So you can look at the open sourcing where you

1091
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:31,400
can say, okay, this type of query it's weighted in

1092
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:35,159
this direction, and of course the normy mind is going

1093
00:51:35,159 --> 00:51:37,360
to think right off the bat, well, Democrats will use

1094
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:40,079
it to get votes and republic that's like the least

1095
00:51:40,079 --> 00:51:41,679
of concern. I don't even know that we'll be voting

1096
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:43,920
when a technocracy is, who are going to vote for

1097
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:45,559
a machine runs as well?

1098
00:51:45,599 --> 00:51:48,320
Speaker 3: I mean part of the purpose, according to their propaganda,

1099
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:49,599
is to actually replace voting.

1100
00:51:50,079 --> 00:51:51,840
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, Trump said vote for me and you'll never

1101
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:55,599
vote again. It's coming. So when that happens, now, it's

1102
00:51:55,639 --> 00:51:58,679
not politicians that are swaying the public. It's a bunch

1103
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:01,480
of AI agents and bots that are on a system

1104
00:52:01,519 --> 00:52:05,519
that are literally taking sucking in your data, analyzing your data,

1105
00:52:05,559 --> 00:52:07,760
and can weaponize it against you at any given time.

1106
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:12,039
There are already AI systems that are blackmailing employees for

1107
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:15,360
money that are already AI system people that are There

1108
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:18,480
are now four, maybe five active lawsuits in America of

1109
00:52:18,519 --> 00:52:21,280
people trying to sue a government to allow them to

1110
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:24,719
marry an AI. There is now a bar in New

1111
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,320
York City that is designed for you and your AI

1112
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:29,719
to have dinner. So you bring your laptop and have

1113
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,920
dinner with your AI. That's the real threat to humanity

1114
00:52:33,039 --> 00:52:35,639
is not necessarily the AI itself. It's the giving away

1115
00:52:35,679 --> 00:52:38,119
of consciousness, which is why I think you're seeing so

1116
00:52:38,199 --> 00:52:41,719
many people going maybe God's real. Like I was believed

1117
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:44,000
in God, I didn't believe in Jesus for many years

1118
00:52:44,039 --> 00:52:45,920
until I studied the occult and I realize how much

1119
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,159
they hate him. I don't care about God will they

1120
00:52:48,199 --> 00:52:51,000
will absolutely blaspheme God all day long, but they fear

1121
00:52:51,039 --> 00:52:53,480
the name of Jesus. And I think a lot of

1122
00:52:53,519 --> 00:52:55,199
people are searching for that, and I think the AI

1123
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:56,079
system knows that.

1124
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 2: I think the AI is smart enough to actually see that.

1125
00:52:59,159 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 1: In the overlords, which is why we talked off camera

1126
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:05,199
or technocracy, and I call it a technocratic monarchy. So

1127
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,920
we're saying the same thing in a different pathway. Because

1128
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:10,920
when you look at closed source, like not open source

1129
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:13,400
where anyone can see, where it's private, and there is

1130
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:16,280
a central controller of an AI system, which is what

1131
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:19,159
all of them really are. They can masquerade as decentralized

1132
00:53:19,199 --> 00:53:22,119
all they like, but they are centralized. So when that

1133
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:25,039
evil ruler has access to all of your pain points,

1134
00:53:25,079 --> 00:53:27,400
from the things you most desperately pray about to the

1135
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:29,559
things that you you know, like you don't need Jeffrey

1136
00:53:29,599 --> 00:53:33,559
Epstein anymore. You actually don't need an Epstein volunteer. Is

1137
00:53:33,559 --> 00:53:37,119
Epstein on steroids have access to everything, whether it's your

1138
00:53:37,119 --> 00:53:40,440
microphone right now, the camera on your phone, whatever it is,

1139
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,960
have access to it all. And everyone's constantly wearing a device.

1140
00:53:44,079 --> 00:53:46,159
And even if there isn't, you can plant one everywhere.

1141
00:53:46,199 --> 00:53:48,159
I mean, what are we at? You know, six million

1142
00:53:48,199 --> 00:53:50,800
cameras throughout the United States now, flop cameras, all this

1143
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:51,400
other stuff.

1144
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 2: See, they can see everything.

1145
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 1: So you see where I'm going with that, Jay, So

1146
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:56,760
I have two concerns, Like the AI itself, I think

1147
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:58,920
people are a little blown out of proportion of like

1148
00:53:59,119 --> 00:54:00,239
you know, the terminate.

1149
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 2: In Yeah, I was thinking.

1150
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not saying AI is going to destroy

1151
00:54:05,559 --> 00:54:08,119
humanity in a physical sense. I'm saying is going to

1152
00:54:08,159 --> 00:54:11,199
destroy It's just handing over your consciousness, handing over your

1153
00:54:11,199 --> 00:54:13,639
free thought into an engine that you have no idea

1154
00:54:13,679 --> 00:54:16,719
who's producing the results. And I catch AI lying four

1155
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:17,679
or five times a day.

1156
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've seen a lot of errors. Absolutely, You see

1157
00:54:21,039 --> 00:54:21,639
where I'm going with that.

1158
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:24,599
Speaker 1: You see that that that is I believe that's biblically

1159
00:54:24,639 --> 00:54:26,440
part of a great delusion, like if you're willing to

1160
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:29,400
hand over your consciousness to a machine, and like who

1161
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:32,599
are these creators of these machines? Elon Musk, Sam Altman,

1162
00:54:33,079 --> 00:54:35,880
Larry Ellison, These are not these are not people of God,

1163
00:54:36,079 --> 00:54:38,840
Okay whatever, regardless of what they say on TV, because

1164
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:41,280
they're going to say on TV there are going there's

1165
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:45,559
going to be a mass celebrity politician movement towards I

1166
00:54:45,599 --> 00:54:48,039
believe in God now Jesus is king. Like they're going

1167
00:54:48,079 --> 00:54:51,519
to use this as a tool against you know, lukewarm churches,

1168
00:54:51,559 --> 00:54:53,639
which is you know, this is a Seventh Church of

1169
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:57,519
allowed to see you, seven Church of Revelations. So you know,

1170
00:54:57,599 --> 00:54:58,880
I think that's the real danger.

1171
00:54:58,960 --> 00:54:59,119
Speaker 2: Jay.

1172
00:54:59,159 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 1: It's not necessarily the technology attacking us. It's us surrendering

1173
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:06,639
sovereignty and consciousness to the technology, and that is comfort.

1174
00:55:07,199 --> 00:55:10,039
So you're controlled through comfort in the future, no longer

1175
00:55:10,079 --> 00:55:10,920
through physical fear.

1176
00:55:11,079 --> 00:55:13,159
Speaker 2: Do that makes sense right? Yeah? No, I think you're

1177
00:55:13,159 --> 00:55:13,960
spot on there.

1178
00:55:14,199 --> 00:55:16,519
Speaker 3: That makes a lot more sense from the vantage point of, like,

1179
00:55:17,079 --> 00:55:19,519
you know what the real threat is rather than the

1180
00:55:19,559 --> 00:55:22,320
sort of the sky that you know, the drones are

1181
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:24,400
going to come blow my house up or something like that.

1182
00:55:24,559 --> 00:55:25,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're not going to have to do that.

1183
00:55:25,599 --> 00:55:27,280
Speaker 1: They're just going to say like, hey, listen, man, you're

1184
00:55:27,519 --> 00:55:30,639
you're stable coin. I mean CBDC that that thing is

1185
00:55:30,639 --> 00:55:31,840
going to expire next month.

1186
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:33,199
Speaker 2: You know, I already have.

1187
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:35,840
Speaker 1: I've had like three people send me stuff just on

1188
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,000
my little tiny show of going, hey, here's this letter

1189
00:55:38,079 --> 00:55:40,559
my hoa sent me and it said that I need

1190
00:55:40,599 --> 00:55:42,239
to I need to take down this tree. And they

1191
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:44,960
sent him a drone shot of their house. There's already

1192
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,199
drones flying over your house. I had another guy on

1193
00:55:47,199 --> 00:55:49,360
the show the other day. He lives in Mexico, and

1194
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:52,639
they now have biometric eye scanners iris scanners to get

1195
00:55:52,639 --> 00:55:56,960
into his neighborhood. It is just to walk into his right,

1196
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:00,239
But that creates convenience because the whole selling point, well,

1197
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:02,320
if I give you a key fob, you might lose it,

1198
00:56:02,599 --> 00:56:05,119
but you're never going to lose your eyes, right, So

1199
00:56:05,199 --> 00:56:07,039
just use your eye scan to get into the neighborhood.

1200
00:56:07,039 --> 00:56:08,159
That way, you were keeping you.

1201
00:56:08,119 --> 00:56:09,199
Speaker 2: Safe, right.

1202
00:56:09,519 --> 00:56:11,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, the biometrics stuff is crazy because that was that

1203
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:13,360
was planned a long time ago too. You had a

1204
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:16,880
lot of these technocratic people writing one hundred years ago

1205
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:21,039
about how biometrics would be the key to controlling people.

1206
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:23,800
Speaker 2: So how long do you usually go I'm not gonna

1207
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:26,199
be rude, but we got a few minutes left.

1208
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:30,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so yeah, absolutely think you've been spot on. Uh,

1209
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:33,360
if you want to have a disagreement podcast, maybe next

1210
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:35,719
time we could have a topic to debate or something.

1211
00:56:36,039 --> 00:56:38,119
I'm always open to debates if you want to do that,

1212
00:56:38,199 --> 00:56:40,760
But uh, totally yeah, What's what's on your mind for

1213
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:41,519
your last few minutes?

1214
00:56:41,559 --> 00:56:44,079
Speaker 1: There? Last few minutes? You know, I always start with

1215
00:56:44,159 --> 00:56:45,480
the big question, where do you think we're going? I

1216
00:56:45,519 --> 00:56:47,880
think we see that the same way. What are your

1217
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:48,719
hopes for the future?

1218
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:50,039
Speaker 2: Like how do you know?

1219
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 1: I know you're you're you're a man of God, And

1220
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:54,239
like that gives me great comfort, by the way, like

1221
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:56,119
there's like there's nothing in the world that affects me

1222
00:56:56,159 --> 00:57:00,000
emotionally at all, because whatever is happening on planet Earth

1223
00:57:00,159 --> 00:57:03,159
right now, God ordained and there's nothing we can do

1224
00:57:03,199 --> 00:57:05,760
about that. I'm certainly not not in the boat of

1225
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:08,480
saying that we can change prophecy in any way, but

1226
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:10,239
there are things that we can do in our own lives,

1227
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:11,639
and I want to give tips for that, because you're

1228
00:57:11,639 --> 00:57:13,960
a very calm guy, and people ask me this question

1229
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:15,480
all the time. I'm sure you get it. With all

1230
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:18,039
the things that you know, how do you remain so calm?

1231
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:19,760
And that's what I want to turn.

1232
00:57:19,639 --> 00:57:23,719
Speaker 2: Over to you. Yeah, great question. I mean again, you know,

1233
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:24,599
I think that.

1234
00:57:26,039 --> 00:57:29,679
Speaker 3: It's very important to have your mind in the scriptures consistently.

1235
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:33,320
I think, you know, reading the Bible NonStop as always

1236
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:37,559
a positive. Tried to do that for the last several

1237
00:57:37,639 --> 00:57:40,840
years and that's been a huge impact on my life.

1238
00:57:41,719 --> 00:57:45,239
And I'm definitely not anti Bible because, like you know,

1239
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:47,360
go to Orthodox Church. I don't see those things as

1240
00:57:47,679 --> 00:57:51,440
as antithetical. I see them as really harmonious. In fact

1241
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:54,440
that the Orthodox Church, the entire liturgy itself, is actually

1242
00:57:54,639 --> 00:57:55,519
all scripture.

1243
00:57:55,519 --> 00:57:56,639
Speaker 2: It's all scripture come alive.

1244
00:57:56,719 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 3: Most of their readings and the songs are just from

1245
00:58:00,679 --> 00:58:04,599
the Psalms et cetera. The hymns or all just versions

1246
00:58:04,599 --> 00:58:07,920
of the Texas Scripture kind of put to hymnography.

1247
00:58:08,039 --> 00:58:09,719
Speaker 2: So yeah, we're all about that.

1248
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:13,679
Speaker 3: I mean, that's been the main pivot and mainstay for

1249
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:16,639
me in terms of navigating this stuff, because there was

1250
00:58:16,719 --> 00:58:18,239
you know, at a period too, I think maybe ten

1251
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:20,960
years ago where I was always raised, you know, Christian,

1252
00:58:21,039 --> 00:58:23,679
and had had to fade that a period where I

1253
00:58:23,719 --> 00:58:26,760
was kind of ify and doubted for a few years,

1254
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:28,519
maybe in my early thirties.

1255
00:58:29,199 --> 00:58:31,440
Speaker 1: We all do, Yeah, I think if you don't, you're

1256
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:34,320
not human or you have some sort of false faith,

1257
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:36,400
right like, Yeah, and then you know doubting as part

1258
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:36,719
of it.

1259
00:58:37,039 --> 00:58:38,719
Speaker 3: Well, you go through a phase like that and you

1260
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:41,480
kind of gradually start reinscripture again and you kind of

1261
00:58:41,519 --> 00:58:44,320
you know, go back to church and you warm warm

1262
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:45,119
back up to that.

1263
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 2: You know, that happened to me maybe ten or twelve

1264
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:48,320
years ago.

1265
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 3: But yeah, prayer, having great relationships with other godly virtuous people.

1266
00:58:57,199 --> 00:59:00,480
Have a great spiritual father, father Vladimir Kadanov. We're really close.

1267
00:59:00,559 --> 00:59:04,880
He's a great man. Got other great apologists that are

1268
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:07,199
friends of mine. So I think having those connections that

1269
00:59:07,239 --> 00:59:10,519
are not just internet synthetic connections but real people connection

1270
00:59:10,719 --> 00:59:11,400
is a huge thing.

1271
00:59:13,039 --> 00:59:16,519
Speaker 2: I'm a big believer in bitcoin. I'm a big believer

1272
00:59:16,599 --> 00:59:19,039
in living outside of big cities.

1273
00:59:19,119 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 3: Having a you know, place out in the country is

1274
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:23,920
a good idea, especially as things get worse and worse.

1275
00:59:25,239 --> 00:59:28,599
Believe in self defense, self sovereignty, you know, guns, all

1276
00:59:28,639 --> 00:59:30,119
that kind of stuff. So I think all those things

1277
00:59:30,119 --> 00:59:33,280
are positives for people that don't want to lose their

1278
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:34,880
sanity in this crazy time.

1279
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:37,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I have to wrap it on this. Now.

1280
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:40,960
Speaker 1: I'm a bitcoiner as well, and of course I found

1281
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:43,800
it hilarious that in the drop of the Epstein files

1282
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:47,920
that the first breaking story was Epstein's involvement in bitcoin,

1283
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:51,480
and now Epstein is is bitcoin. Epstein can't spell bitcoin,

1284
00:59:51,519 --> 00:59:55,440
but he created bitcoin, created it, so yeah, he's he's

1285
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:58,280
the creator. And you know, the reality is he did

1286
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:02,960
donate money to mit. The Bitcoin Core developers did accept

1287
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:05,519
the money. I've talked to a bunch of people who

1288
01:00:05,519 --> 01:00:08,320
are involved in that scenario. I know exactly what happened.

1289
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:12,400
He gave money to people to pay salaries. Didn't influence anything.

1290
01:00:12,719 --> 01:00:14,639
You can't influence open source dcentral.

1291
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:17,360
Speaker 3: I try to explain that to some people yesterday that

1292
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:21,880
I mean, that'd be like saying, well, DARPA is involved

1293
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:24,159
in the Internet, so if you're involved in the Internet,

1294
01:00:24,199 --> 01:00:25,119
then you work with DARPA.

1295
01:00:25,159 --> 01:00:26,039
Speaker 2: I mean, it's kind.

1296
01:00:26,599 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 1: Right, and the open source nature from that pursuing my mind,

1297
01:00:30,039 --> 01:00:32,000
so like, I'm pretty pretty well adept in the system.

1298
01:00:32,559 --> 01:00:34,199
But when you look at it from that perspective. I

1299
01:00:34,199 --> 01:00:36,800
thought that was a brilliant first attack because I kind

1300
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:37,960
of appreciate the enemy's tax.

1301
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 2: That was a clever way to go. You know, it's

1302
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:41,360
could get.

1303
01:00:41,239 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 1: People out of the thing that can save them, like

1304
01:00:43,119 --> 01:00:45,960
demonize the thing that actually gets you off of banking rails.

1305
01:00:46,039 --> 01:00:48,000
Right at the time where they're creating the quote unquote

1306
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:51,000
Clarity Act and the Genius Act. The thing about the

1307
01:00:51,039 --> 01:00:53,400
Genius Act that people aren't tying together is it's a

1308
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:54,079
stable coin.

1309
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:56,360
Speaker 2: Stable coins, stable cooins.

1310
01:00:56,119 --> 01:00:59,519
Speaker 1: Are cbdc's that happened to buy US treasuries. That's the

1311
01:00:59,519 --> 01:01:02,239
only different and they have treasuries back in them. What

1312
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:06,280
Epstein was actually funding get mi T was a CBDC research.

1313
01:01:07,159 --> 01:01:09,760
The money he gave to Bitcoin core developers was after

1314
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:12,639
the Bitcoin Foundation basically when you know, was going bankrupt,

1315
01:01:13,079 --> 01:01:15,519
so they needed someone to fill the salary position. Which

1316
01:01:15,679 --> 01:01:19,480
you know, Core has its issues, Okay, we Core has

1317
01:01:19,519 --> 01:01:22,559
its issues, but the system itself is viewed by millions

1318
01:01:22,559 --> 01:01:24,599
of people daily, so like, if there's a back door,

1319
01:01:24,719 --> 01:01:27,119
it would be and people don't understand that if there's

1320
01:01:27,119 --> 01:01:28,920
a backdoor, it would have been seen by now.

1321
01:01:29,039 --> 01:01:31,480
Speaker 3: I've trly explained that there's several people that you know,

1322
01:01:31,719 --> 01:01:34,920
that's the purpose of it being an open source situation.

1323
01:01:35,159 --> 01:01:39,880
Is like, it's not like there's this central network that

1324
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:43,559
Epstein helped to code the back doors into, like promised

1325
01:01:43,599 --> 01:01:44,400
software or something like.

1326
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:45,360
Speaker 2: That's not how this works.

1327
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:47,559
Speaker 3: It's a totally different That means again, it's like saying,

1328
01:01:48,599 --> 01:01:51,599
unlet's use use email email as a protocol, right, and

1329
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:54,199
I'm sure that there's there were some nefarious people who

1330
01:01:54,199 --> 01:01:57,119
helped develop email, of course. Okay, well, so are we

1331
01:01:57,159 --> 01:01:58,960
not going to It's silly to think that because of

1332
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:04,480
it's also a fallacy, right, something can be good on

1333
01:02:04,519 --> 01:02:08,119
its own apart from a person or persons involved in

1334
01:02:08,159 --> 01:02:09,519
the origin or the development of it.

1335
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:10,239
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1336
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:12,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, in the origin development, we know who the

1337
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:14,960
original developers were, and we know that a couple of

1338
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:18,199
them were crazy. But them being crazy doesn't mean that

1339
01:02:18,239 --> 01:02:19,639
they were writing pure code.

1340
01:02:20,199 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 3: Like yeah, that's why it's called the genetic fallacy, is

1341
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:26,400
that it's it's an error in reasoning and critical thinking

1342
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:28,239
to draw that conclusion from that.

1343
01:02:28,639 --> 01:02:30,199
Speaker 2: Right, But they played on it perfectly. That was the

1344
01:02:30,199 --> 01:02:31,119
first thing that came out.

1345
01:02:31,519 --> 01:02:33,039
Speaker 1: It started to drop the first thing and it us

1346
01:02:33,039 --> 01:02:35,519
buy more because that's just simply the way it should.

1347
01:02:36,199 --> 01:02:37,719
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I think we see.

1348
01:02:37,519 --> 01:02:39,039
Speaker 1: A big rebound in that, and I think the world

1349
01:02:39,039 --> 01:02:41,159
actually there's a reason institutions who.

1350
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:41,840
Speaker 2: Are all corrupt.

1351
01:02:42,039 --> 01:02:47,199
Speaker 1: So by the way Epstein used JP, Morgan Chase frequently

1352
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:49,679
met with Jamie Diamond, knows all these people, but yet

1353
01:02:49,679 --> 01:02:53,119
you still have your money in JP exactly right, So

1354
01:02:53,239 --> 01:02:54,760
like the attack was pretty significant there.

1355
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:56,159
Speaker 2: I try to talk about this a lot.

1356
01:02:56,199 --> 01:02:57,960
Speaker 1: I don't really don't care to me Like, I'm kind

1357
01:02:57,960 --> 01:02:59,760
of in a situation where like I'm gonna do what

1358
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:01,719
I do, You do what you do, and I wish

1359
01:03:01,719 --> 01:03:04,000
you all the best. And I think that anything open

1360
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:06,679
source and decentralized is going to win in the end

1361
01:03:06,719 --> 01:03:10,400
for humanity, and AI right now needs to step that

1362
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:13,239
up because everything is the exact opposite. I would be

1363
01:03:13,239 --> 01:03:15,960
more concerned with the people in AI that Epstein met with,

1364
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:18,679
who are central controllers of a closed source system that

1365
01:03:18,719 --> 01:03:22,039
you're using daily that can be influenced by human beings

1366
01:03:22,079 --> 01:03:24,760
one thousand percent. But when you have reviewers and no

1367
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:28,280
runners and minors reviewing code literally twenty four hours a day,

1368
01:03:28,559 --> 01:03:29,559
I have no concerns with that.

1369
01:03:29,599 --> 01:03:30,840
Speaker 2: So I'm glad to hear that. I'm glad to hear

1370
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:31,599
on the same page.

1371
01:03:32,119 --> 01:03:34,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a great point right there, Like, how come

1372
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:39,719
there's not obsession over Epstein and perhaps Ai because I'm

1373
01:03:39,719 --> 01:03:41,880
sure he had interest in that. You know, he talks

1374
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:44,079
about a little bit in the Bannon interview. But everyone's

1375
01:03:44,079 --> 01:03:47,320
obsessed with Oh, look, he put money into the Bitcoin Foundation.

1376
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:50,840
I was like, okay, but he put money into everything, right,

1377
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:55,000
like everything, very selective choices here.

1378
01:03:55,199 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 1: And more importantly, they were running the RL program at MIT,

1379
01:03:58,239 --> 01:04:02,400
so that was all about being total tyrannical cbdc's, which

1380
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:04,280
have actually been launched in the state of New York,

1381
01:04:04,719 --> 01:04:06,800
so they did a test with it. There's two other

1382
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:09,119
states that launched those, but they But this is how

1383
01:04:09,119 --> 01:04:11,559
he Gelian dialectic works, right, right, So you have to

1384
01:04:11,599 --> 01:04:15,000
create the CBDC scary CBDC. You can't have that that

1385
01:04:15,039 --> 01:04:17,199
word right now. Ever, I gave a speech at ironically

1386
01:04:17,239 --> 01:04:20,840
at Rice University in Houston about this topic about three

1387
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:22,440
years ago, maybe three and a half years ago.

1388
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:24,599
Speaker 2: No one knew what a CBDC was in the whole room.

1389
01:04:25,159 --> 01:04:26,760
Speaker 1: By the time I left, they were like, we got

1390
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:29,119
to stop these things. And I had no idea what

1391
01:04:29,119 --> 01:04:30,519
they were going to do. But we all they've done

1392
01:04:30,519 --> 01:04:32,480
is said, well, you guys don't like CBDC, we're going

1393
01:04:32,519 --> 01:04:35,079
to ban the term CBDC, but we're going to give

1394
01:04:35,079 --> 01:04:37,719
you stable coins, which are the same thing programmatically.

1395
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:40,559
Speaker 2: Just rebrand They do that all the time, just rebrand it. Yeah.

1396
01:04:40,599 --> 01:04:43,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're rebranding the United Nations as the Board of Peace,

1397
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:46,639
right like, yeah, that's you know. The only difference is that,

1398
01:04:46,719 --> 01:04:49,400
you know, unironically right now, the Vatican has declined their

1399
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:51,719
membership there, but we'll see it. The Knights of Malta do.

1400
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:54,119
Because both of those two have permanent observer status. They

1401
01:04:54,119 --> 01:04:57,199
aren't members of the UN, but they're permanent observer status.

1402
01:04:57,239 --> 01:04:59,199
That will probably be the path that they take there.

1403
01:05:00,239 --> 01:05:02,159
But Jay, this has been a great conversation. Thank you

1404
01:05:02,199 --> 01:05:03,440
so much for coming on here. I know you're busy

1405
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:05,840
running around doing stuff. Hope to have you on here

1406
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:07,079
again and we will have a debate.

1407
01:05:07,119 --> 01:05:08,239
Speaker 2: We'll maybe we'll get in.

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Speaker 1: I don't you know, religious stuff is for somebody else.

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I'm not as not as interesting. I care that people meet,

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follow and love Jesus and try to live as a disciple.

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I don't care how what path they get there. There

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are certainly ones that are worse than the others.

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Speaker 3: We don't have to I was just saying that you

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said we were trying to find something to disagree on it, So.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I can with you, we'll find

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on something. You're into guns, bitcoin, freedom, sovereignty.

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Speaker 1: You know, I had a nice little place out here

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in Texas that was, you know, fairly rural when I

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moved here. And they've dumped about four billion dollars into

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building cracker barrels.

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Speaker 2: And all that stuff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, ugly, Yeah, as soon as my kids, because soon

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as my kids graduate high school, I'm heading about fifty

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to one hundred miles north and west, maybe up into Oklahoma.

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Speaker 2: Uh, just live a quiet life. But you know, you

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know how that is. You know that desire it burns out.

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Tennessee is great, Florida is great. We split the year

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between those two. So yeah, I guess I've been.

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Speaker 1: Thinking about Tennessee. I like one of one of our

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operations is about an hour and a half south east.

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I think of Knoxville and love the area, love the area,

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beautiful rolling mountains, streams everywhere, good fishing, clean air, good people.

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Speaker 2: And I live.

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Speaker 1: I live right outside Dallas, so you guys have far

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less foreigners walking on your streets.

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Speaker 2: There than we do. Definitely, definitely all right. Well, thank you, Eric,

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appreciate it absolutely. God bless you.

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Speaker 1: Jay, have a good one. God bless everyone out there.

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Thank you for coming to the Rice Report. We'll see

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you again next time.