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Speaker 1: Welcome to episode eighty three of Get Out a Live,

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a bi weekly podcast about animal attacks, why they happen,

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and how we can avoid them. I'm your host, Ashley,

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and today's episode was voted on by patrons and it's August,

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which means that we are drawing near to the end

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of the summer. And this also means that Shark Week

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twenty twenty four has come and gone, hosted by John Cena,

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with shows such as six Thousand Pounds Shark, Big Shark Energy,

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and The Real Sharkano. But before we get into today's episode,

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I as a thank you to those of you who

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take a moment to leave review for this podcast. I

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read one on each episode, so this week comes from

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Apple Podcasts. It's by j t ri one two three

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titled I Love this Freaking podcast, and they say I

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love this show. I've listened to all the episodes. Super

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bummed that it comes out less frequently and I have

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to wait for new episodes like a peasant, but I'm

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always anxiously waiting. Great job, guys, Hopefully you can get

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back to weekly someday. Thank you. I also hope that someday,

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But thank you all for being patient and for waiting

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for new episodes. I really really appreciate it. So although

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we're not through twenty twenty four yet, there have been

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some really notable attacks that have happened. So today I

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wanted to go over recent chart attacks and then as usual,

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at the end, we're gonna go over some ways to

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stay safe and if you haven't already gathered, it's just

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me for this episode, So we're going to use some

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transition music to go between stories. Thank you Jesse in

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advance for that, and yeah, let's get into it. So

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the first attack, I know I just said twenty twenty four,

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but the first attack I want to go over actually

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happened twenty twenty two back in February, but it was

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a big one and we haven't touched on it yet

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in this podcast. Thirty four year old Simon Nellis was

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a diving instructor who swam in the waters in Sydney,

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Australia each day, and he belonged to the Scuba Diving

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Social Club in Sydney's South. On February sixteenth, twenty twenty two,

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he went out to swim around Little Bay around four

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thirty pm. He was training for a charity swim and

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went out in a black wetsuit. What happened next was

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caught on video by a fisherman who witnessed it. As

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Simon was swimming, a fifteen foot long great white shark

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came up from below and bit him. The video starts

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with Simon and the shark off screen, but the fisherman

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is yelling that someone just got attacked by a shark.

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Three seconds into the video, Simon's head breaks from the

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water for a brief moment before the shark strikes him again,

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pulling him underwater. The next few moments of the video

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are hard to make out anything except for the man

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filming saying how crazy it is. Nearly thirty seconds passed

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before Simon resurfaces again and his leg, head, and back

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appear above water and he is still alive and conscious.

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The man filming says quote the person is still there.

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And then the shark comes up out of the water again,

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slamming into Simon, grabs him by the midsection and makes

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a tearing motion. This causes Simon to be torn in half,

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and in the video you can see half of his

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body floating, and it's clear that he did not survive.

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This is very reminiscent of the video Nick and I

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talked about in a previous story out of Egypt where

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a man was attacked, and that instance seemed more drawn

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out than this one. Obviously, both are still incredibly tragic

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and traumatizing, but crazy that there's like full video footage

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of two shark attacks within like a year of weik

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each other, and like the full attack. I definitely do

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not recommend watching either of these videos if you are

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faint of heart. Honestly, I didn't even watch the second one.

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I read a recap because I just after watching the

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Egypt one. I can't do it. But the Australian Shark

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Incident Database listed Simon's death as unprovoked, but that was

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not the case in the International Shark Attack File also

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known as the ISAF, which is run by the University

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of Florida and is a global database for all shark

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attacks and we've mentioned them plenty of times in the

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podcast before, but they listed Simon's death as provoked, meaning

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that Simon initiated the contact with the shark, either intentionally

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or unintentionally. Gavin Naylor, director of the Florida Program for

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Shark Research, said Simon was quote in no way intending

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to provoke the shark, but had been swimming in an

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area where people were fishing and an area where there

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had been chum in the water. He said this could

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have excited the shark and provoked this atypical behavior. The

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fishermen also did say that the shark appeared to be

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in a frenzy during the attack, likely incited by the

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chum in the water. Of the witnesses, many were, of

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course traumatized. One, as he spoke to the press, said

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that even days later he could not stop shaking and

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vomiting because what he saw was so terrible. After the attack,

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authorities spent the following few days looking for Simon's remains,

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as well as looking for a shark that could have

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been responsible, but from what I gathered, they were never

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able to find one. The Department of Primary Industries temporarily

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installed six smart drum lines between Little Bay and Malabar

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as part of a shark incident response plan. I believe

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we've talked about them before, but just a recap. Smart

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drum lines stand for Shark Management Alert in real time

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and they consist of an anchor, two buoys, and a

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satellite link GPS communications unit attached to a hook baited

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with one sea mullet. A triggering magnet is attached to

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the communications unit, and then when a shark takes the

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bait and puts pressure on the line, the magnet is released,

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alerting the boat crew and department scientists that there is

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an animal on the line. Once alerted, the team responds

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within thirty minutes to tag and release the shark or

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whatever other marine mammal is captured. Smart drum lines are

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set every single morning, depending on the weather, approximately five

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hundred meters offshore at a depth between eight to fifteen

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meters of water, and they are collected at the end

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of each day and they are not left out overnight.

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These drum lines were scheduled to be set up in

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that area Simon was swimming in days before the attack,

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meaning it's possible that if they actually had been erected,

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I'm not sure why they weren't. I'm not sure if

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it was the weather, but it's possible they could have

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prevented this attack. Apparently, not long before the attack, Simon

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told his mom quote, I've taken a lot of fish

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out of the water. If one takes me out, that's

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the circle of life. Simon was described by those who

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knew him as a kind, consider man who loved life.

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He had served two tours in Afghanistan before he settled

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in Australia, where he was waiting to marry his fiance Jesse.

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That summer, another friend of his said, quote, the news

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hit us like a truck because he was one of

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the people who make this earth lighter. All right, onto

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our next story, speaking of another person who I think

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made the world a lot lighter for a lot of people.

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To Mayo Perry. Tomayo Perry was born and raised in Oahu, Hawaii,

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growing up around the corner from the Bonanzai Pipeline. The

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Bonzai Pipeline is a surf reef break off of Wahu's

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north shore, and a reef break is an area in

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the ocean where waves start to break when they reached

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the shallows of a reef, which creates large waves, and specifically,

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the waves created are large, hollow, and have thick curls,

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so surfers can ride the inside of the wave or

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the tube. If you are a surfer listening to this,

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I apologize for explaining things in such a basic way,

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but as a nonsurfer, I thought the contacts would be

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good for the rest of us. The pipeline has been

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called one of the world's deadliest waves, with waves at

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an average of nine feet tall or three meters, but

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they've been recorded up to twenty feet tall. Quite a

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few people have died surfing or photographing here. For example,

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accomplished surfer Malick Joikes. I apologize if I'm mispronouncing his

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last name, and Malick died after he was struck by

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the lip of a wave enforced underwater. The leash of

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his board was ripped off of him, and an autopsy

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revealed that he was likely hit in the head by

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his surfboard and knocked unconscious and was found fifteen minutes

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later by another surfer, but was unable to be resuscitated.

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But back to Tamaio. He started surfing at the age

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of twelve and had surfed the pipeline regularly and had

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surfed some of its most prominent waves. Seventeen, he went

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to California and began competing in competitions, then spent the

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next fifteen years as a professional surfer and appeared in

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many films as a surfer, and in two thousand and five,

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the same year that Malick was killed. Tamayo was surfing

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the pipeline when he was hit in the head by

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another surfer's board, which peeled his scalp from ear to

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ear and required nearly fifty staples to close the wound.

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This led to Tomayo encouraging others to wear helmets while

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surfing the pipeline, and he did so for the rest

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of his time surfing, but he also went on to

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star in other films, most notably the fourth Pirates of

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the Caribbean movie called On Stranger Tides in twenty eleven,

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and he was in an episode of Hawaii five to

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oh in twenty sixteen. Tomayo became a lifeguard for City

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and County of Honolulu Ocean Safety, assisting in twenty twenty

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for the rescue of Tomy Dragich, which was a Peruvian

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big wave surfer who also was hit on the head

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by board and was knocked unconscious while surfing at Sunset

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Beach in Oahu. Tomayo and his wife, Amelia Perry, an

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Australian born bodyboarder who he met while she was bodyboarding

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the pipeline. Together, the two of them ran the Oahu

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Surfing Experience offering surfing lessons on the island, so as

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you can probably gather, Tomayo was an incredibly experienced surfer

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and was well aware of how to stay safe in

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the ocean and had been in the ocean his entire life. Now,

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let's get to the incident. On June twenty third of

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this year, twenty twenty four, Tomayo was surfing near Goat

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was a nine to one one call reporting what they

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described as a fatal shark attack near Goat Island, and

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they said that the victim had multiple bite wounds from

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a shark. Lifeguards were able to get to the victim

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on jet skis and identified him as Tomayo, and when

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he was brought to land, he was pronounced dead by paramedics.

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He was missing an arm and a leg, and he

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was just forty nine years old. His wife, Amelia told

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ABC News quote, it was like I went on the

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best twenty five year vacation of my life with him,

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and now it's over. Now I got to come back

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to reality. His close friend and coworker Jesse King stated quote,

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there was nothing out of the ordinary that would indicate

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that something bad would happen to him versus anybody else

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a regular day, and he also said Tomyo knew that

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area like the back of his hand because he had

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been there many many times before. Jesse also said Tomio

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showed people, quote how to be a better human, to

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love everybody when you have them, because you never know

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when they're going to be taken away. It has not

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been determined what kind of shark killed Tomayo, and if

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you've listened to this podcast before, we've talked about bitemark

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analysis and how it's an imperfect science so we're not

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always able to determine what species was involved. However, according

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to the state's Department of Land and Natural Resources, white tip, reef, sandbart, scallop, hammerhead,

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and occasionally tiger sharks are the most frequently encountered sharks

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in Hawaii's waters. There have been three other shark attacks

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in Hawaii this year so far, all of which have

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not been able to confirm the species, and one of

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which was considered a provoked attack, meaning the person was

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interacting inappropriately with the shark, so it wasn't the shark's fault.

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But none of the other attacks resulted in a fatality.

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I also went through Hawaii's list of shark related incidents

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and found in most cases the species is actually unknown,

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but in the last few years tiger sharks have been

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one of the more prominent sharks involved in attacks, obviously

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in instances where the species was recorded, but none of

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those attacks were fatal. There was also one really interesting

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attack I did want to touch on from twenty twenty

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three because this is a species I've always been super

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interested in, and I had no idea that they could

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attack people like this, So let's get into it. On

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March nineteenth, twenty twenty three, fifty year old Andy Wahlber

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was swimming in the Molokai Channel around six pm. He

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had someone in the support kayak with him that had

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attached to it two shark deterrent devices around eleven fifty

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five PM, so he started swimming at six Still swimming

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around eleven fifty five, now twelve miles off the coast,

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as he was two to three hundred yards behind his

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support boat and five to six feet from his support kayak,

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he felt something hit his chest and when he closed

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his hand around it, he was sure it was a

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cookie cutter shark, although by no means the biggest shark

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out there. They only get up to around twenty inches

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in length. But cookie cutter sharks are not to be

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taken lightly. They often hunt in pears, and they will

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eat things like squids or crustaceans. But they are also

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probably most infamous for taking cookie size shapes out of

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larger prey like seals, tuna, and even other sharks. They've

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also been recorded taking chunks out of submarines. To do this,

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they put their mouth on a host with its upper teeth,

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lower teeth to suck in scoop and tear off a

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trademark circular piece of flesh. They're considered more of a

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parasite than a predator, like a great white, for example,

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this can be a devastating injury to have a hole

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taken out of your chest. So Andy grabbed the shark

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and threw it as far as he could and kept swimming.

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But only a few seconds later he was hitting the

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chest again, and he assumed that he just hadn't thrown

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the shark far enough, so he simply threw it again

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and it wasn't until later that he realized that they

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hunted pears, so he had been hit by two separate

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cookie cutter sharks. Taking a moment to calm down given

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the fact that it was so close to midnight and

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the water was still, he felt his stomach didn't feel

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any major damage and kept swimming. When he stopped to

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take a break on his support boat, they saw that

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he had two half circle marks in his chest, likely

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from the upper teeth of the sharks, but the sharks

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hadn't been able to sink their lower teeth in and

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start spinning. After this, he kept swimming for another six

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and a half hours. Like I said, he didn't sustain

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any major injuries, but he said before he went swimming,

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he had rubbed diaper cream all over his body and

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credits it for preventing the sharks from being able to

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latch onto him. Although there are other cookie cutter shark

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attacks in history on people, they're very unlikely due to

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the fact that they're nocturnal and they live in deeper

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waters than most sharks. But either way, back to Tomayo,

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the attack on him was the first fatal attack in

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Hawaii since December of twenty twenty three, when a man

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surfing off of Maui was killed one hundred and fifty

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yards off of shore. The attack on Tomayo was the

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first in recent times to occur outside of Maui. All right,

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let's cover a story that happened just a month later

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after Toamayo's death. Twenty three year old Kai mackenzie is

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an Australian free surfer sponsored by Rage, an Australian surf

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hardware company. In just July of this year, twenty twenty four,

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he was finally returning to the sport of surfing after

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breaking his back. On July twenty third, he was surfing

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near Port Macquarie in New South Wales, Australia. It was

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mid morning and the conditions of the water were clear

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and clean. As he was surfing, Kai noticed quote the

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largest shark he'd ever seen approach him. It was reported

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that the shark was a great white, reportedly three meters

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or nine point eight feet long. Great whites had been

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spotted in the area before the attack, and more had

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been sighted in the morning before Kai set out to surf.

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Kai started attempting to paddle away and actually kicked at

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the shark, but it was not deterred and bit the

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lower portion of his right leg completely off. Kai managed

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to catch a wave back to shore, where he got

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the attention of a retired police officer who happened to

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be walking his dog on the beach, which I swear

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so many shark attack stories, it just happens to have

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some like emergency professional person nearby, and thank god he

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was spotted by someone with medical experience, because the retired

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officer used his dog's leash as a makeshift tournique on

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Kai's leg to slowed the blood loss, which authorities later

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said saved Kai's life. Kai was assisted by paramedics on site,

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but was then airlifted to John Hunter Hospital in Newcastle,

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which was one hundred and twenty four miles away, where

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he was stabilized. A short while after the attack, Kai's

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leg washed up on shore and locals thankfully saw it

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and had the wherewithal to put it on ice and

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bring it to the same medical facility that Kai was

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brought to, and then his leg was then flown to

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the same hospital one hundred and twenty four miles away

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on ice from an Instagram post in which Kai wrote

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in a caption quote, spot something missing for a picture

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in which his leg is absent. It is assumed that

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the reattachment was not successful or possible because this attack

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was only two weeks ago. Of course, Kai is still recovering,

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and he has a go fund me on his Instagram

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to cover his ongoing medical expenses, which I will link

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in the episode description, and you can also, of course

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give him a follow and stay updated on his recovery.

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All Right, I know this is a shorter episode, but

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I want to end with some very recent attacks happening

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here in the US. On June twenty sixth, twenty twenty four,

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in the morning, the Nassau County Sheriff's Office Marine Unit,

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which is a mouthful, got a distress call in the

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Amelia River near Fernandina Beach, about thirty five miles north

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of Jacksonville. The man involved, still unnamed as far as

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I can tell, was fishing and caught a shark on

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his line. I'm hesitant to call this one an attack

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because the man was likely trying to remove the shark

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from his line, but either way, the shark got a

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grip on his forearm and gave him a severe injury.

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When authorities responded, he was losing a lot of blood,

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so a deputy boarded the boat and applied to tourniquet.

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Another official commandeered the boat and took the man to

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a boat ramp where local fire rescue officials were waiting.

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The man was airlifted to a nearby hospital and was

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stabilized and is currently still recovering. This attack marked the

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third shark attack in Florida in June alone. The other

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two a attacks in the Florida Panhandle in early June,

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one of which had a woman who was attacked and

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part of her arm was amputated after being bitten, which

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was in northwest Florida, and at another beach just miles away,

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and on the same day, two teenage girls were attacked

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while in the water. One of the girls suffered quote

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significant injuries to the upper leg in one hand, while

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the other had minor injuries on one of her feet.

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Three more attacks were reported in the US, one in

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southern California and two in Hawaii, one of which was Tomayo.

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Although this is slightly more attacks than normal for a

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given year, shark by I'll just say that this is

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pretty and we've also seen this on the podcast over

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the years we've been recording and talking about sharks attacks

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do spike in the summer because there's just simply more

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people in the water and sharks tend to be migrating

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to either warmer waters up north or it really depends

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on the shark species, but either way, the number fatal

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Florida reported sixteen unprovoked shark bite incidents last year, according

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to the isaf's annual Shark Attack Report, that represents forty

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four percent of the thirty six total unprovoked bytes in

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the US in twenty twenty three, in a little less

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than a quarter worldwide, but Florida is still seen as

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the shark attack capital of the world, making the US

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the country with the highest amount of shark attacks, and

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then following US is Australia. And I think this is

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just a matter of the amount of people you have

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in the water, especially in Florida. But of course, let

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us end with some ways that we can stay safe

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out there in the water as we wrap up the

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warm summer months. All right, if you're a patron of ours,

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One thing we just talked about in last month's Bonus

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episode was not wearing flashy jewelry and whether or not

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this was like true, But it's thought that the flash

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of jewelry could mimic fish scales or just attract sharks

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because of the shine. So if you are nervous about

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being around sharks, maybe forego wearing your jewelry in the ocean.

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As we learn in the case with Simon in this episode,

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avoid swimming near where people are fishing and where there

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may be chum in the water. In the last case

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we discussed in Florida, a researcher said that it's possible

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small baitfish that shark feed on are swimming closer to

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shore at this time of year. So keep an eye

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as always on your surroundings, and if you see groups

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of small fish, don't forget what feeds on them. And

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if you see fish or turtles around behaving erratically or

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leaving the area very quickly, be mindful as to why

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they may be doing that. Keeping that in mind, don't

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swim at dusk or dawn, when predators like sharks are

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more active. Although to note, according to Hawaii's government, this

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does not apply to tiger sharks, which have been reported

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to bite people at any time of day, and they

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do have an infographic on their website. I will link

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it which shows you, like a graph of tiger shark

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bites and at what time they occurred, and it's all

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over the place. But not swimming at down or dusk

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is how you could avoid being or in the middle

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of the night, avoid being attacked by a cookie cutter shark,

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which sounds and looks horrifying. If you haven't looked up

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a cookie cutter shark, please do it. But when you

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see their bite wounds, it is literally like someone took

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a cookie cutter and just took a piece of flush

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out of things. It's horrifying. Also, according to Hawaii's government,

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avoid murky waters, harbor entrances, and areas near stream moltse,

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especially after heavy rains, channels or steep drop offs. These

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types of waters are known to be frequented by sharks.

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Don't enter the water if you're actively bleeding. They can

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smell blood from a very far distance. This isn't to

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say if you like have an open cut from a

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cat per se like I happened to have, that you

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shouldn't go in the ocean. But if you are actively bleeding,

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don't go in also still discourse out there as to

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what color swimsuit to wear, which we covered in our

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last bonus episode as well and included an infographic on

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that episode if you're a patron, want to go check

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it out. So, the theory is, if you wear like

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a black swimsuit or a blue swimsuit, the contrast in

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your swimsuit isn't high enough, and that's what may make

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sharks believe you're something like a seal. But also there's

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no way to really test if wearing a high contrast

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color like orange or pink, for example, would make you

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less likely to be attacked, because to do that you

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would have to basically ask people who've been attacked by sharks,

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what were you wearing when you were attacked, which isn't great.

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So there's really no way to prove this. But in

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our bonus episode, after we talked through it, we concluded

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that wearing brightly colored swimsuits or what suits is probably

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a good idea, even if there's no scientific evidence. It

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can just make you more easily visible to people trying

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to help you in any emergency situation next as best

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as you can, which of course is way easier said

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than done. Stay calm, because excessive splashing can also get

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a shark's attention because it might mimic like a fish

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or some other type of animal in distress. But of course,

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which we also talked about in our last Bonus episode,

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because we were talking about sharks and myths around sharks,

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they have a lot of sensory organs to detect what

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their normal prey should be, which of course is why

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shark attacks are so rare. And as we've talked with

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Jada Elcock in our episode about sharks but a year

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or two years ago, a lot of these cases of

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shark quote unquote attacks are mistaken identity. Like Tomayo's case,

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he was missing an arm in a leg, but he

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wasn't consumed, so it's unlikely the shark was trying to

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actually eat him. I can't say the same for Simon's

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case because he was torn in half and half of

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him was found, but not the entire body was found,

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So it is tough. But in most cases it does

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seem like a shark bites and then it just happens

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to not be what they are supposed to be eating.

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And last but not least, of course, as is our advice,

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while recreating in pretty much any place in the wild

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or the outdoors, traveling groups, and specifically for sharks and

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in the ocean. It's even better if you can swim

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near a lifeguard. These stories are always scary, and I

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know sharks are a really big one that stop people

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from enjoying the ocean. But there are millions of people

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in the ocean like every day, and on average, only

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around five I don't I say only obviously it's tragic

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every time it happens, but around five people are killed

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by sharks each year. And once again, as I've said

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what feels like also a million times on this podcast,

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sharks have so much more to fear from us because

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we kill millions of them each year out of fear

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or for delicacies like shark fin soup. I know this

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was a shorter one. Once again, I really appreciate you

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guys's patience. I have some great interviews coming up I'm

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so excited for, but until we get to that, thank

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you for listening to this episode. I hope you're having

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a safe and happy summer. Check out the episode description

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for links to things I mentioned or to our social

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media as in our website, and if you're someone who

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pre ordered Lakuzi, keep an eye out forward over the

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next week or so as I send them out, and

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thank you so much for your support. Thank you so

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much to my good friend Josh Walsh for making our

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intro music and his brother Jesse Walsh for all the editing.

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And we'll be back in two weeks with a new

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animal tech story with an awesome guest who has some

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great insights as both a survivor and an expert. See ya,