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Speaker 1: Welcome back, everyone to a new episode of You Were

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Wrong with Molly Hemingway, editor in chief of the Federalist

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and David Harsani, senior writer at The Washington Examiner. Just

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as a reminder, if you'd like to email the show,

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please do so at radio at the Federalist dot com.

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We want to hear from you. So, Molly, I hope

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you had a very solemn January sixth commemoration day.

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Speaker 2: I love that January six has become a big holiday

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because for me as a Lutheran, January sixth has always

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been a big holiday. It's when we mark Epiphany, the

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epiphany of our Lord, when Jesus, when we re mark

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Jesus being not just for the Jews, but for all people.

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And the story mostly associated with it is the arrival

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of the magi from the East to pay homage to

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the King. And it is a big day. In Lutheranism.

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We have, you know, church separate, like if it doesn't

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fall on a Sunday, we do church separately. And now

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everybody seems to be into it. So but for a

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different way.

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Speaker 1: It's the epiphany of the Viking shaman. Yeah, I fasted,

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did you?

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Speaker 2: I was surprised at how many normies in my life

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were wishing me a happy Patriots Day that day, which

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I will admit bothers me because Epiphany is such a

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big day. But one of my one of my friends

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who did it, was like, we can celebrate both Patriots

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Day and right, am I not being solemn enough about

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the worst moment in American history?

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Speaker 1: It's sunny, Houston. Is that you pronounced her name Bustin?

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She said it was. She compared it to World War two,

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the Holocaust, and I forgot what else She did not

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bring up nine to eleven, which apparently doesn't rank as

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one of the worst days in American history. Listen, I

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have to just say not to be a party pooper,

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but you know, I think it was a pretty bad

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day in a certain way. I mean, I think it

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was an embarrassing day for the United States. I just

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don't think it was this event that we should you know,

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that was. I don't think it was a coup. I

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don't think it was a very you know, important event

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in American history. It was just an embarrassing day because

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many people, not all engaged in behavior I think was

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pretty condemnable.

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Speaker 2: Well, I was actually talking with a reporter who was

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there also that actually Emily Jishinski, who was also there

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that day, and one of the things I was telling

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her and those of us from the Federalists who were

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there were Chris Bedford, Jishinsky, and me, and I do

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think Bedford and Jishinsky were closer to the bad action.

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I mean, I was pretty close, but I didn't see

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lot of what you've seen on TV. And anyway, my

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point when I was talking to her was just how

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in retrospect, I am extremely glad that I was there,

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because if I based my understanding of that day on

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what corporate media were saying about that day, I would

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know I wouldn't understand it at all. The biggest thing

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that I think is key there is that the massive,

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truly massive rally at the White House was completely separate

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from what happened at the Capitol, which I don't think

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the media ever made a good distinction. They tried to

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kind of link those two things in a way that

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was not based on fact. I mean, they were two

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miles away from each other, so I'm not saying people

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didn't go from one to the other on foot, but

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not a ton of people, And I mean it was

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a ton of people, but not relative to how big

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the crowd was at the Ellipse, which is where you know,

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most people who say they were there that day, that's

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where they were or and it was it was massive.

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I mean it was. I've covered a lot of DC events,

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and that was definitely one of the biggest I've ever seen.

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And then also just how nonviolent so much of it was,

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and also how poorly managed by the police it was.

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And I'm not blaming them for this, not the people

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who were actually policing. I'm blaming the people who were

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in charge of the policing. They didn't have enough people there,

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they were not using crowd control techniques to calm the crowd,

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but to in fact rile up the crowd. And it's

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just I'm glad I was there so that I know

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what I know instead of what I've been told about it.

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Speaker 1: Oh sorry, no, no, no matter what, No matter.

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Speaker 2: What I think, we can all agree that the persecution

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of the people involved, particularly relative to every single other

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political protest movement in history, is completely unconscionable.

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Speaker 1: Well, I do. There are two things that I hate

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that happens. First is people you know you'll see someone

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and they'll you know, some person who is there, and

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he'll be accused of Borshe will be accused of being

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there on January sixth, as if they knew what was

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going to happen, or that they immediately participated. Now, going

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to January sixth is fine, I mean, it's just a protest.

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The second thing I hate is when they're constantly, as

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Nancy Pelosi did in others in the recent days, claiming

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that I forgot how many police died on January sixth.

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It's completely dishonest. No one, no cops thankfully died on

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January sixth. There were tragic events that happened afterwards that

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of course they link to it, but it's just dishonest.

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Media does not correct them. No fact checkers who will

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be talking about soon correct them. So anyway, those things

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bother me. Let's talk about fact checking Molly. Mark Zuckerberg

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came out the other day in a video where he

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gave a statement on let me just say up front.

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I thought was a very good statement. Taking in and

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of itself, what he said was completely fine. Going through

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a new going through a few points about how Facebook

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was going to change its censorship policy, but one of

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them it was moving the operation from California to Texas,

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and the other was to sort of accentuate or change

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the fact checking to more community notes like x has

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and some other stuff. He admitted, I thought rightly that

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fact checking has become a very partisan doesn't really get

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us closer to the truth.

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Speaker 2: So I think it's worth just kind of thinking about

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what happened with Facebook censorship. Facebook is just one of

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this of this big tech social media companies that was

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engaged in massive censorship of American speech and debate. But

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because Facebook is so big, it was really influential in

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what it did. So if you can go back to

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the twenty fifteen twenty sixteen political campaign, Donald Trump was

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treated by corporate media as I mean, they were insane

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about him. I know, it's stupid to even comment because

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of course they were insane about him. So he develops

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a strategy where he works around the press and just

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deals directly with people through social media, Facebook being a

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great example of how he just connects with people on

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social media. And so when he surprises everybody by winning,

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a lot of big tech CEOs had emergency meetings that

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week where they all promised that they would do more

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to prevent Donald Trump from speaking directly to the people.

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maybe even a Facebook leader, but it might have been Google,

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and forgive me, but I'm pretty sure it was Facebook

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said we will never let this happen again, meaning never

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let a Republican candidate for president speak directly to the people.

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So in that same way that the news media had

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become this place where you obstruct news and information from

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getting to the people, social media and big tech said

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that they would also do that. So there were some

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you know, the light algorithmic game playing that you were

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seeing in twenty sixteen becomes pretty serious once the Trump

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presidency starts, where things got real. And Mark Zuckerberg, by

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the way, was facing a lot of pressure from the

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censorship of American speech and debate, and he would say

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pretty good things like I think his instincts are actually

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pretty good on speech, and he stayed pretty strong. Once

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the pandemic happened, it was insane how much censorship was

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going on. And you might remember that Mark Zuckerberg personally

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emailed Anthony Faucin was like, how can we help, And

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we don't know exactly what was said in response, but

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we do know that Facebook starts censoring speech and debate

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about COVID, that it came from China, that it might

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have come from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, debate about

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what is the best way to handle a pandemic was

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completely squashed off the platform, and this was where I

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think things for the Federalists first started getting pretty serious.

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And just for I'm sure people kind of understand this,

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but when you run a media company, the way you

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make money would be through either subscriptions that where you

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kind of keep your stuff private and you have people

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pay for it, which a lot of media companies do,

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and I understand why because it's like the easiest way

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to stay afloat, But it also means that the people

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who are getting your content are the people who maybe

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least need to get the content. What I'm saying here

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is if you're trying to affect the DC conversation, hiring

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people to pay for it makes it less likely that

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you're affecting the DC conversation. In our current way of

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distributing the news, and so people make money through advertising.

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The Left organized this massive campaign to bully advertisers away

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from advertising on non leftist media. So if you're MSNBC,

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you get Lexus ads, and if you're Fox you get,

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you know, something much less lucrative, even though Fox is

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watched by like so many more people than MSNBC. Same

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works for websites. If you're the Atlantic and you're pushing

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the Russia collusion hoax and you're pushing COVID conspiracies and

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Brett Kavanaugh conspiracies, you get the Lexus ads, And if

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you're the Federalists, you don't because you're put on these

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lists by the censorship industrial complex to prevent you from

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getting that. Well, a big part of that also is

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to just cut off traffic to your site so they

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can say, well, why would we advertise on this site

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when traffic's not going there, not realizing that it's artificial

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disruption of the market through the censorship industrial complex to

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affect who is visiting the site. So Facebook censoring people

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is huge. It's massive. It keeps your stuff from being

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shared in the conversation, from being educating the masses, from advertising.

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It's a massive, big issue. I mean, I'll just say,

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like people are sometimes like, why don't you write more.

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Why don't I write more? Because I have to be

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spending a lot of time trying to keep the publication

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afloat because of what Facebook and Mark Zuckerberg did. Right,

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but I can't do it because of what Mark Zuckerberg did.

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And what Mark Zuckerberg did in twenty twenty was just

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start censoring things using fact checking programs. Fact checking programs

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had already been in existence. I feel like I'm just

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saying way too much here, but it's okay. Fact checking

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programs had already been in existence. They're a left wing

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way of fighting conservative information. So they really arose after

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Obamacare fights, where you had corporate media saying all these

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things about Obamacare, but it wasn't actually affecting the way

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people thought about it. You were having like mass resistance

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to what everybody in the media was saying. So they

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kind of developed this idea of what if we fact checked.

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So when people say I think this is bad to

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take over, you know, a third of the US economy

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and have it be controlled by the government, we say, no,

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you're wrong, you know, for whatever reason. And so it

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was a way of doing propaganda. But claiming that you

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were checking facts. It would It got ludicrous pretty quickly

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where they would fact check predictions. You know, someone say

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and they go fact check it won't be and it's like, well,

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how do you know the future PolitiFact or all these

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different groups. So the fact checking becomes this massive enterprise

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in the censorship industrial complex, and facebooks are it's using

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fact checkers where they pay people to help censor speech

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and debate that they don't want. This is just bad

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for any media organization to get involved in because Mark

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Zuckerberg and Facebook are massive entities, and when you're taking

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money from them to hire staff to fact check and

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you're getting like an ability to censor your political opponents

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or whatever, like, it's just bad incentives. But a lot

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of media companies did, including some never trump Aloo publications

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and anyway, get to twenty twenty and that's where everything

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just starts like being insane. You say anything other than

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You are forever Like you could get censored three times

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for saying I think the best way to handle a

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pandemic is different than Anthony Fauci. But then even if

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gets censored too. And the George Floyd riots were another

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high point of censorship. Questions about the election in twenty

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twenty were another high point of censorship. And so basically

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within nine months, the Federalist is completely wiped off the

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big tech grid because we were saying things differently than

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let me just ask you a couple of things.

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which I want to talk about separately after for a minute,

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just the whole industry. There's algorithms that suppress conservative content,

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and okay, and ask in a second, and then there's

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outright censorship, and then there's attack on advertisers and things

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like that. Not a tax on advertisers, tax on sites

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that limit advertise, you know, big dollar advertising. As I

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remember when I was paying attention to where hits were

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coming from, and so on a lot of hits at

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least you know, five six, seven years ago, we're coming

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through social media, so Twitter, Facebook, things on Facebook was

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a huge driver of content at one point. So obviously

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that's probably you know, they can just essentially destroy a

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site if they feel like as far as hits go.

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Is that the case now? Or I have like sites

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feared away from relying on them because they've been so

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because they've been so censorious that a word, But I

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don't know's I guess that's the question.

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Speaker 2: Well for us, you know, a lot of media publications

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relied almost exclusively on Facebook. You know, you look at

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the Daily Wire, I think they were getting most of

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their traffic from Facebook. And in fact, you'd see these

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left wing people say, what are they saying about censorship

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on Facebook. Look at these top twenty stories. They're all

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from the Daily Wire or whatever as it always called that.

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I don't know. Never mind that that was the only

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publication that was getting you know, fed by by Facebook,

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and then even they get cut off. For us, we

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were getting most of our traffic through Google, and Google

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is even worse than Facebook in terms of the censorship.

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You if I if I looked for an article using

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my name, the headline I wrote, and the word the

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you know, the Federalist, I might not find it on Google.

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Speaker 1: For sure. I love the old people. Yeah, I look

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for old pieces on Google. Right, So I have a

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s indicated column that will have Sometimes the piece that

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I wrote for the Federals go out as a syndicated column.

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piece on the federal so it should be on the top.

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who like ran it, and it will come up before

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the Federalist. There is no way that that's organic, that

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that someone is suppressing content. And you know, I've noticed

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this a lot, you know, I just want.

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Speaker 2: To make a real quick point on this. The entire

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Russia collusion hysteria was based on supposedly Russia spending about

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one hundred thousand dollars on Facebook ads, some of which

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supported Hillary Clinton and some of which supported Donald Trump.

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And for that we got like four years of absolute

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hysteria because that was viewed as meddling in an election. Okay,

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let's say an election is really coming down to what

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people think about the radical transagenda, which, by the way,

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this last one did right. And you are Google, and

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if you support the permanent sterilization of children in the

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way that you write your copy, if you lie and

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claim that men are women, you and someone's like looking

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for information on trans stuff, you get shot up to

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the top twenty pages. Top page, top part of the

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top page, next page, next page, next page. If you're

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telling the truth about that issue, you may not appear

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in a Google search. Is that not like dramatically worse

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election interference than what we claimed was such a big

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deal with Russia.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, not just that. The AI program Google has. I'll

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put in some kind of social you know, I put

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in stuff about the trans and children. What's it called

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gender affirming care? You know? And it gives me just

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it vomits out, just complete nonsense about this stuff and lies,

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and this is supposed to be AI, so it's I

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don't know how it works, you know, I'm going to

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pretend I know how it works. But it is supposed

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to be a reflection of the general consensus on something,

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and it is clearly not the case. So someone must

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be manipulating those programs.

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Speaker 2: I wanted to tell one story about the fact checking

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program because I just remembered it. Because we wrote a

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piece this week about ten or eleven times that we

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got censored by Facebook, and one of them related to

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something I wrote, and I was responding to a poorly

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done fact check by a Chinese communist company called Lead Stories,

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and this Chinese communist fact checker that Facebook worked with

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had said things that were not accurate about I don't

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know if you remember this. Like down in Fulton County

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after the twenty twenty election, the supervisor at a ballot

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counting place at State Farm Arena sent everybody home, including

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the media and other people. Although she says she didn't

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send anyone home. She just said she was stopping counting

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for the night and that it wouldn't be going till

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the next day. She didn't technically tell people they had

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to leave, She just gave them no reason to stay there.

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this until a videotape came out showing all of this,

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showing her telling the people that she was done having

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the people leave, which included media and Republican observers. Totally

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matched up with the affidavits written by the Republican observers,

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by the way, and then it goes back to them

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like just just counting with no supervision, which is a

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big issue because Fulton County was under DOJ supervision. They

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also were supposed to have a state person overlooking them,

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and for like an hour they had nobody watching nobody,

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when the video came out and everyone was like, holy schmolly,

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this looks bad, Leads Stories puts out a fact check

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saying like, actually, it's no big deal. We talked to

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we talked to officials, the ones you're criticizing, and they

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said it was no big deal, which is not a

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fact check. So I do a bunch of reporting on it,

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interviewing people involved, and I fact checked the fact check

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but I'm not an authorized fact checker on Facebook, right,

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So those Chinese communist fact checkers proceed to say that

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what I wrote was false. They're wrong, but they say

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that thereby censoring my story but also censoring me. So

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now on I mean, I don't I'm not on Facebook.

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I mean, I'm technically like I still have like a

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page there, but I haven't used it since this since

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about this time, because Facebook decided I was so dangerous

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that for people to share my stories would be a

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threat to the republic. And that's just a so you

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could try to share my story on Facebook and it

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wouldn't go anywhere, any story from me, any story from

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the Federalist. I mean, what a horrific interference in the elections.

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And you know, we'll just remind people. Mark Zuckerberg personally

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paid four hundred and fifty million dollars to meddle in

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the twenty twenty election by funneling it to two Democrat

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groups who claimed to be non political, who took over

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government election offices in the blue areas of swing states

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to run there get out the vote operations.

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Speaker 1: Did you know when he donated a million dollars to

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the to Donald Trump's inauguration committee, the whole left melted

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down that he was bending the knee, but he was

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giving one hundred Wasn't it just a million? I forget exactly.

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Speaker 2: Just a million, but it's to him his pocket change. Yeah,

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four hundred and forty million or something like that, four

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forty seven, I can't remember exactly what the number was.

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To two Democrat groups that just figured out how to

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game election offices, they would they would say, we're just

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helping everybody vote, but we're going to do it in

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Philadelphia and Pittsburgh. Well, are you really you know, we're

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going to drive up the vote in Atlanta. We're going

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to you know what I mean, Like, we're going to

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drive up the vote in Madison and Green Bay. But

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don't worry, we're doing it for everybody who lives in Madison,

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in Green Bay and Detroit and Chicago and Philadelphia and Atlanta.

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We're not going to pick which people. Well guess what,

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you idiots, I mean, you're not idiots, they're very smart. Actually,

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you were helping Democrats vote, driving up Democrat votes. Like

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you look at the twenty twenty election and how many

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just the insane number of ballots that were in the

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system for Democrats far more than in twenty twenty four

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because of what Mark Zuckerberg did there.

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Speaker 1: So I get all that there's no way for him

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to take it back. He has not, you know, I

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think this is probably cynical as well. Maybe he believes

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that has changed his ways and his ideas about free speech,

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which should never you know, which I you know, it's

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hard to believe that these people weren't bigger champions up.

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I do think that it's important to acknowledge though, that,

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for whatever reasons he has, it's a good thing that

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civic leaders and CEO is a big tech companies find

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it not just acceptable to defend for your speech and

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to stop with the fact checking and I put those

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in quota in fact checking quotation marks, but also to basically,

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you know, feel compelled to do it right that things

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are changing. Do you think that that's true.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm it certainly would rather have him stop

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paying these fact checkers than continue. I just don't think

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you get to say, like I think Sean Davis put

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it this way, It's like someone saying, yes, I have

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burned down every house in the neighborhood, but I'm not

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going to burn down any houses anymore, and everyone being like,

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what a hero. I mean, it's good that he's not

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going to burn down any more houses. Probably for a

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serial arsonist, you should make sure that they're truly not

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going to do it, and there should be some measure

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of transparency to ensure that. But there also needs to

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be accountability for all the houses he burned down, and

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he destroyed a lot of people's lives. He destroyed free See.

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He was part of the most horrific attack on free

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speech in American history. Yes, I understand the government was

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bullying him and that's horrible, but he went along with it,

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and a lot of what he did was also just

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on his own. And so for someone like me, I

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think about my children and how much we've had to

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suffer because of this attack on us, and I am

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not like elated that he's stopping. I'm I think that's good,

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But I also think that what he did to me

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and my family, like the fact that I've had to

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work around the clock for years just to keep something going.

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You know that I've had to face so much pressure

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from so many people who just like went along with it,

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and I had to like fight hard for it and

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what I missed out for my family and my health

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and all of that. Like I'm not ready to be like,

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oh great, Mark Zuckerberg says he's not going to do

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it anymore. I mean, I want there to be payment

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for it. Do you know what I'm saying?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's no way that that's going to

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be extracted from him in any way.

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Speaker 2: So wait, why not.

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Speaker 1: I just don't think there's any mechanism or way to

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make him pay for what he's done. I mean, unless

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he's done something illegal.

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Speaker 2: George Floyd dies at the hands of the Minnesota police,

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you know, lifelong druggie career, criminal, and one hundred billion

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dollars gets transferred from corporations to BLM affiliated movements. One

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hundred billion dollars. I'm not asking for a hundred billion dollars,

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but I certainly think Facebook, which probably was responsible for

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many tens of millions of that transfer of wealth, they

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can certainly do something to help out non leftist media. Absolutely,

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maybe just one hundred million.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he could. I'm just saying that it's

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going to be difficult to force him or compel him

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or compel him to give reparations for the things he's done.

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That's all I'm saying. I mean, that's just reality. I'm

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not saying he can't help conservative media. Maybe, you know,

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if he wants to, but it seems unlikely to me

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that he would do that. Yeah, I don't know, you know,

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casting him as a hero, I agree with you, it's ridiculous.

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I mean, the guy has been terrible. This may well

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just be him as usual. Like I was going to

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say this before, he feels like an easily manipulated person

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and kind of weak when it comes to this kind

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of stuff, So he'll just go. You know, Elon Musk

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has given him a spine in a way on this issue, probably,

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But I do just want to say this. You know,

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one of the most corrosive parts of the legacy of

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the Biden era, I think is the normalization of censorship

477
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:06,680
and the rationalization of censorship, and the embrace by journalists

478
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,839
of censorship. New York Times like every week has a

479
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:14,440
new piece saying that the Constitution first amendments outdated basically,

480
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,799
but though they may never be payment for what happened,

481
00:28:18,839 --> 00:28:22,400
I think you should take solace. You should take solace

482
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,359
in the fact that you've won the ideological battle in

483
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,559
a way. I mean, or that we who believe in

484
00:28:27,599 --> 00:28:30,680
free speech as a not just a in a First

485
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:34,079
Amendment sense, but as a tenant of what freedom means.

486
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,880
You know, we're kind of winning right right now, and

487
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:38,559
that is that's something good.

488
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,079
Speaker 2: I didn't actually watch what Mark Zuckerberg said, so I

489
00:28:42,119 --> 00:28:44,279
need to revisit, but I kind of saw some clips

490
00:28:44,319 --> 00:28:47,000
here and there, and I read some of the quotes,

491
00:28:47,119 --> 00:28:50,680
and on that issue, you are exactly right, like he's

492
00:28:50,759 --> 00:28:55,079
admitting all these things. He's completely conceding all these things

493
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,960
about how this was a censorship tool, about how it

494
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,720
was biased against conservatives, about how it was without reason.

495
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:07,039
These are really important things from a high level player.

496
00:29:07,519 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: You know.

497
00:29:07,759 --> 00:29:10,759
Speaker 2: One of the pieces that we had at the Federalist

498
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:16,200
was pointing out that Zuckerberg was admitting things that the

499
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,920
sort of weaker Supreme Court justices were saying, like, we're

500
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,119
just not sure if that's happening, and he's just flat

501
00:29:21,119 --> 00:29:23,759
out saying that it's all happening, the censorship at the

502
00:29:23,799 --> 00:29:27,079
direction of the government. So it's a start. It is

503
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,440
nowhere near sufficient. I mean, you just raised the AI situation.

504
00:29:30,599 --> 00:29:34,240
Google is as bad as it has ever been. The

505
00:29:34,279 --> 00:29:38,640
censorship is draconian, and Facebook is just one part of it,

506
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,319
a key part of it, but not like a majority

507
00:29:41,359 --> 00:29:43,640
of it or anything, and so there's a long way

508
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,960
to go. But just having to admit these things is good.

509
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,039
On that note, I did get a kick out of,

510
00:29:48,119 --> 00:29:52,519
like all these propagandists at CNN who are very pro censorship,

511
00:29:52,839 --> 00:29:56,000
we're saying that it is bending the knee to support

512
00:29:56,119 --> 00:29:59,119
free speech, it's bending the knee to Trump or Republicans

513
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,960
or his supporters. And I think that's kind of an

514
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:06,200
interesting admission from them. They're saying, if you censor, you're

515
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,519
with us, you're bending the knee to us, and if

516
00:30:09,519 --> 00:30:12,640
you don't censor, you're bending the knee to Republicans. It

517
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,079
might even be why Republicans are winning right now because

518
00:30:15,079 --> 00:30:19,319
Americans don't love the censorship that they cannot deny exists.

519
00:30:21,559 --> 00:30:23,319
But I like even that they're being clear about it,

520
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:27,960
Like we support oppressively limiting speech and debate of views

521
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,680
that we do not support, and these other people think

522
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,640
that speech should be free. It's like, yeah, well you

523
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:34,000
said it.

524
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:38,799
Speaker 3: Cutting the deficit seems simple.

525
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 1: It's just not easy.

526
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,079
Speaker 4: The watched aut On Wall Street podcast with Chris Markowski.

527
00:30:43,119 --> 00:30:45,960
Every day Chris helps unpack the connection between politics and

528
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,160
the economy and how it affects your wallet.

529
00:30:48,079 --> 00:30:51,359
Speaker 3: Like dieting or saving money. Cutting the deficit is simple,

530
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,160
It's just not easy. Cutting the deficit is not so

531
00:30:54,279 --> 00:30:57,960
much about cutting personnel. It's about cutting the money they

532
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,640
hand out. Whether it's happening in DC or on Wall Street,

533
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:01,839
it's affecting you financially.

534
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: Be informed.

535
00:31:02,519 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 4: Check out the Watchdot on Wall Street podcast with christ

536
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,640
Markowski on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts.

537
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,079
Speaker 1: It's funny. I had a note that said exactly that.

538
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:17,440
Brian Stelter said, you know, this is bending the need

539
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,880
to Trump, And it was interesting because what you're saying

540
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,640
is that you don't want Trump people who defend Trump

541
00:31:25,039 --> 00:31:29,319
and who have opinions that align with Trump on massive,

542
00:31:29,799 --> 00:31:35,839
allegedly open forum sites on the Internet. That says that

543
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,599
your pro censorship. To me, even if I don't like

544
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,200
what these people are saying, I think they should have

545
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:44,839
a say. And another thing is and Zuckerberg talked about

546
00:31:44,839 --> 00:31:47,359
this is the idea that everything you don't like is

547
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,880
far right or radical or extremists. This is just untrue

548
00:31:51,359 --> 00:31:54,519
because people are winning elections, not agree with it or not.

549
00:31:54,559 --> 00:31:57,240
They're winning elections. More than fifty percent of people who

550
00:31:57,319 --> 00:31:59,880
voted aligned with Donald Trump, So how could it be

551
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,599
far to the right or out of the mainstream or fringe.

552
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:07,279
It's not. And honestly, most of these opinions are incredibly mainstream.

553
00:32:07,359 --> 00:32:11,839
Actually talking about defending free speech, COVID lockdowns, all that stuff.

554
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:17,599
It was mainstream. So anyway, I think that's interesting as well. Yeah, yeah, sorry,

555
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:19,720
I just want to talk about the fact checkers. I

556
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:21,079
think you're about to say that as well.

557
00:32:21,279 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, what were you going to say?

558
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,359
Speaker 1: I was going to say that I cannot wait for

559
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:29,000
this fact checking scam to end. I want to call

560
00:32:29,039 --> 00:32:32,839
fact checking a euphemism, but it's not even that. It's

561
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:37,079
just a complete misleading. I don't know name for an

562
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,319
industry that does the opposite.

563
00:32:39,279 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 2: The euphemism for censorship.

564
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, euphemism for censorship is better they do. I've brned

565
00:32:45,519 --> 00:32:48,039
columns about they do a million things that are dishonest.

566
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,599
They lie. But here's something that they do that drives

567
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:56,480
me crazy. They become hyper pedantic about anything a Republican

568
00:32:56,559 --> 00:32:59,680
says right, and they'll write a long piece about how

569
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,240
they're not it's not true, and then when a Democrat

570
00:33:02,279 --> 00:33:05,599
says something that they like, they will put it into

571
00:33:06,119 --> 00:33:08,839
very big, widespread context, you know what I mean. So

572
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:13,440
it is the idea that they're arbiters of truth, or

573
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:17,400
that we need arbiters of self you know, self named

574
00:33:18,039 --> 00:33:22,079
arbiters of truth in the media is just undermines everything

575
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,799
that we're supposed to be doing out there and they're

576
00:33:24,799 --> 00:33:26,880
supposed to be doing out there. At least that's my opinion.

577
00:33:27,839 --> 00:33:31,839
Speaker 2: So my husband, Mark Hemingway wrote one of the first

578
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,519
big takedowns of fact checking, I want to say, like

579
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:41,480
twelve years ago. He has written multiple lengthy investigative reports

580
00:33:41,519 --> 00:33:44,119
on fact checking and what a scam it is and

581
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,319
how it is just a means by which Democrats like

582
00:33:47,359 --> 00:33:50,839
advance their narrative. By the way, I want to say,

583
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,519
like I'm a little frustrated about that, meaning he had

584
00:33:53,559 --> 00:33:55,799
it all figured out, like twelve years ago. He was

585
00:33:55,839 --> 00:34:00,359
writing this at the Weekly Standard, a publication that, under

586
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:04,400
Steve Hayes's direction, went on to become a fact checker

587
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,880
for Facebook. So it's not like the information wasn't out

588
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:12,119
there exquisitely argued and laid out. It was by my

589
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,800
husband you know, he's been brought on all sorts of

590
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,880
you know, panels and discussions to talk about this. It's

591
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,039
not like it needed to take twelve years of getting

592
00:34:22,039 --> 00:34:25,400
to a dystopic hell hole for people to realize there

593
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:29,119
was a problem. Smart people knew or should have known

594
00:34:29,639 --> 00:34:35,159
more than a decade ago. But yes, it's a complete scam,

595
00:34:35,159 --> 00:34:38,159
and I do kind of love that everyone recognizes it

596
00:34:38,199 --> 00:34:42,000
as a scam right now. That is a complete nutter joke.

597
00:34:42,199 --> 00:34:45,000
That the Glenn Kesslers of the world are a complete

598
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,880
and utter joke, to the point that if you hear

599
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,679
the term fact checking you most people will now just

600
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,159
be like, oh, yeah, that's a censorship tool. It means

601
00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:56,480
that something was said that was true that they wish

602
00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:01,719
weren't true. You know, it's become different, but still every

603
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:07,800
single person involved in the shady fact checking censorship enterprise

604
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:12,000
should be shunned, every single person who went along with it.

605
00:35:11,039 --> 00:35:18,119
It's just reprehensible to take part willingly in a censorship

606
00:35:18,199 --> 00:35:22,400
industrial complex role, you know, and to pretend to believe

607
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,679
in any of it. To that end, I did see

608
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,159
Steve Hayes was very upset that the money he gets

609
00:35:28,559 --> 00:35:32,880
from Facebook to fact check his political opponents was going away,

610
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,000
so he tweeted about it, and I do my best

611
00:35:36,039 --> 00:35:38,760
to ignore these people now, kind of realizing they don't matter.

612
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,119
But I failed with that yesterday because it was just

613
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:46,519
too much. You know, he took sweet sweet money from

614
00:35:46,559 --> 00:35:52,239
Facebook to hurt his political opponents by running the fact

615
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,679
checking scheme. And he was quoting from some not very

616
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:59,199
good writer who was there at the Bulwark where he.

617
00:35:59,519 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 1: Which he it's that it's the Dispatch, not the Bonorn.

618
00:36:03,079 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 2: Oh sorry, the Dispatch. Yeah, the Dispatch, the guy says.

619
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:12,400
Mark Zuckerberg says that the fact checking had become like

620
00:36:12,559 --> 00:36:15,920
bad and biased. I sure, hope he's not talking about us.

621
00:36:16,159 --> 00:36:19,880
We've been We've been an accredited fact checker with Facebook

622
00:36:20,199 --> 00:36:24,079
for you know, since two thousand. You hope he's not

623
00:36:24,199 --> 00:36:28,320
talking about you. He's talking about you. Of course he's

624
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,519
talking about you. I mean, I haven't been paying it.

625
00:36:31,599 --> 00:36:35,119
I've been so we've been so destroyed on Facebook that

626
00:36:35,159 --> 00:36:37,320
I just haven't even like visited there or cared to

627
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:41,400
see what's happening in their fact check censorship program. But

628
00:36:41,519 --> 00:36:47,079
in the year twenty twenty, shortly before the election, Steve

629
00:36:47,199 --> 00:36:51,840
Hayes and The Dispatch got the Susan B. Anthony List

630
00:36:52,199 --> 00:36:58,480
censored their ads in the election, censored for saying that

631
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:03,960
Joe Biden had supported late term abortion, which he had

632
00:37:04,039 --> 00:37:06,280
voted to support, or something like, I mean it was

633
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,320
something that he had absolutely done. They were one hundred

634
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,920
percent right, and Steve Hayes got them censored in the

635
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:17,119
middle of an election, and he's like hosting stuff saying like,

636
00:37:17,119 --> 00:37:19,320
I sure hope he's not talking about us. We were

637
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,320
the highest and most ethical fact checkers in history. No

638
00:37:22,519 --> 00:37:23,719
you weren't. You were awful.

639
00:37:24,159 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 5: You did evil, evil things that led to like babies

640
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:34,280
being killed, Like how could you not think about your

641
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,559
role in this and be honest about it?

642
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:37,039
Speaker 2: You know?

643
00:37:38,199 --> 00:37:40,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just looked it up. I didn't even remember this.

644
00:37:40,679 --> 00:37:45,159
Facebook used their fact checked censor Susan B. Anthony List,

645
00:37:45,199 --> 00:37:49,079
but it was incorrect. It's according to National Review, which

646
00:37:49,119 --> 00:37:51,039
isn't exactly you know, Trump friendly.

647
00:37:52,159 --> 00:37:54,519
Speaker 2: Well, Jordan Boyd at The Federalist wrote it up, and

648
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:58,119
I remember that also. Steve Hayes said, oh, yeah, you

649
00:37:58,119 --> 00:38:00,440
know what this fact check once everybody kind of like

650
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,920
said your fact check was full of lies. He said, oh,

651
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:05,880
you know, this never should have gone out. It didn't

652
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,159
go through proper editing. We're going to get right on that.

653
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,920
It's been four plus years and they have never corrected

654
00:38:13,039 --> 00:38:15,559
their error. I mean they pulled their fact check after

655
00:38:15,599 --> 00:38:18,239
it didn't matter, because like once you sense again, once

656
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:22,400
you censor someone, you're just kind of screwed into perpetuity

657
00:38:23,039 --> 00:38:27,039
on the Facebook platform. Just horrible behavior.

658
00:38:29,599 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I just I oppose the idea that

659
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,920
there should be anyone censoring someone else. Do you know

660
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,440
what I'm saying that if you don't if you think

661
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,199
something's wrong, is I do? I go online and I

662
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,519
write about it, and I point out my and I

663
00:38:42,599 --> 00:38:46,559
give my arguments. Once you label something a fact checker,

664
00:38:46,639 --> 00:38:49,679
gives you this power over other people to, like, as

665
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,079
I said, are be an arbiter of what's true and not.

666
00:38:52,519 --> 00:38:54,760
It's very problematic, first of all, because a lot of

667
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,360
our debates that we have are not that simple, you

668
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,480
know what I mean. And the other problem is that

669
00:38:59,519 --> 00:39:03,440
if you're wrong, you're censoring someone. You know, you're censoring

670
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:04,840
an opinion, and we can't have a debate.

671
00:39:05,639 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I feel like that the community notes program

672
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,880
on x is not perfect, and I've certainly seen some

673
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,719
real doozies. They're about as bad as a Glenn Kessler

674
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:17,119
fact check. But I still like the idea that instead

675
00:39:17,119 --> 00:39:20,159
of censoring something you're like, well, the community kind of

676
00:39:20,159 --> 00:39:23,079
thought this was important context as well. It might not

677
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,840
be saying what you said was wrong, but what you

678
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,840
said could have been helped by this additional information. Again,

679
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,079
not perfect. I don't even think community notes are needed.

680
00:39:31,119 --> 00:39:34,320
You can just quote, tweet and respond to tweets if

681
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,280
you need to. More speech is the way to go,

682
00:39:36,599 --> 00:39:39,519
but it's a less bad way of dealing with information

683
00:39:39,559 --> 00:39:40,079
you dislike.

684
00:39:40,639 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 1: I agree with that. The thing that helps with community

685
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,800
notes though, is that it is attached to tweets, so

686
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:47,480
I don't have to go to you know, there'll be

687
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,400
a million responses I want to see. Oftentimes they have

688
00:39:50,519 --> 00:39:53,440
links that you know, debunk what's you know what the

689
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,320
person said. Listen, if you're on Twitter and you're just

690
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:00,760
taking what people say, you know without researching, you're you know,

691
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:02,920
that's not that's the wrong way to go about your life,

692
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,239
I would say. But yeah, just last thing on this

693
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,320
for me is that once fact checking goes away, I

694
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,119
think media is going to be in better shape. It will,

695
00:40:11,199 --> 00:40:14,679
it will, it will tell us that things are getting better,

696
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:15,400
you know what I mean.

697
00:40:16,639 --> 00:40:20,320
Speaker 2: I love the whole idea that media outlets would need

698
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:25,800
to do fact checks. Isn't that just jourjournalism, Like the

699
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:27,880
idea that you're like, well, here we got our reporting,

700
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:29,320
but here we're going to do fact checks. It's like,

701
00:40:29,519 --> 00:40:31,320
so you're reporting isn't fact checking?

702
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,119
Speaker 1: If anything, they should have a fact check for their

703
00:40:34,159 --> 00:40:36,920
own publications to say, you know, what are those call

704
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,000
They used to have them at newspapers where person's like,

705
00:40:39,039 --> 00:40:41,199
actually the story wasn't done right, or it's not fair.

706
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:45,239
Public editor, public editor right, Yes, except that though that

707
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:52,639
position was filled by people who were just defending it. Yes. Yeah, Anyway,

708
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,360
it's such a big topic, it's it's kind of difficult

709
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,039
to kind of like bore down to it. I think

710
00:40:57,039 --> 00:40:58,639
we'll get back to it in the future because this

711
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:00,960
may be a trend coming up thing I would. I

712
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:04,199
wanted to talk about something else, and that is the

713
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:09,400
if you're ready to move on Trump, I want to

714
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,639
talk about Donald Trump. I want to talk about the

715
00:41:11,679 --> 00:41:16,039
Monroe doctrine that he is going to institute, apparently, where

716
00:41:16,519 --> 00:41:20,280
we will rule all, we will have Greenland, we will

717
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:25,000
have Canada. But we don't want Mexico. Is that correct?

718
00:41:25,599 --> 00:41:27,239
I have Faro Islands and Iceland.

719
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,760
Speaker 2: Things that we're focused on maybe right now would be

720
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:33,840
the Panama Canal, the Panama getting control of that back

721
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:38,920
and away from China. Getting Greenland, which is you know

722
00:41:39,079 --> 00:41:41,039
I think we should talk about. And then there has

723
00:41:41,119 --> 00:41:45,760
been this talk about bringing Canada in. I love the

724
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:49,559
first two ideas. I do not I do not want Canada.

725
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:53,639
I do not want Canada were its problems with us.

726
00:41:54,159 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: I think Canada should not be a state. I think

727
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:59,559
he should be a territory like Puerto Rico. So it

728
00:41:59,559 --> 00:42:01,920
would be my name for it that I had was

729
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:06,719
northern North Dakota for all of Canada. That was the

730
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:10,639
name I came up with. Mexico's Lower Canada. I don't

731
00:42:10,679 --> 00:42:13,679
really have a Greenland name. What do you call it?

732
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:14,760
Didn't you have a name for it?

733
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:19,559
Speaker 2: Oh? Senator Eric Schmidt of Missouri keeps on calling it Magdonia,

734
00:42:21,679 --> 00:42:25,960
which I love. I have long supported this idea of

735
00:42:26,599 --> 00:42:29,599
acquiring Greenland, and I think there I think that we

736
00:42:29,639 --> 00:42:32,800
could make the Greenlandians what is the word for them,

737
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:33,679
I don't know, I don't know.

738
00:42:34,119 --> 00:42:36,119
Speaker 1: I think we can make future Americans.

739
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,079
Speaker 2: I think we could make an offer that would really

740
00:42:38,119 --> 00:42:40,280
work for bringing them in as a territory, I think.

741
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:47,320
And they are so close to Russia. You know, if

742
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,760
you were to go like straight from Washington to Moscow

743
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:52,760
that way, it would be over Greenland.

744
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:58,639
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, Greenland has potentially oil minerals other things there,

745
00:42:58,679 --> 00:43:02,199
so you know there are on a unexplored so I'm

746
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:05,360
all for it. In fact, there's a long history of

747
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,440
Americans talking about taking Greenland in various ways, going back

748
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:10,880
to the eighteen hundreds. I think it's always always been

749
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,119
on our minds. So I have no problem with that.

750
00:43:13,599 --> 00:43:18,679
The Panama Canal thing, I'm also on Trump's side now.

751
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:23,360
In nineteen seventy nine, there was a huge debate between

752
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,480
Reagan and William Buckley over the Panama Canal. I watched that, Yes,

753
00:43:26,599 --> 00:43:27,440
it's cue.

754
00:43:27,639 --> 00:43:28,199
Speaker 2: I loved it.

755
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 1: Yes, so Reagan.

756
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 2: I think McCain was there.

757
00:43:31,599 --> 00:43:36,119
Speaker 1: Exactly, Admiral McCain, Pat Buchanan was there with Canada.

758
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,760
Speaker 2: People realize how contentious that debate was. I think the

759
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:45,599
Senate authorized losing the Panama Canal by only two votes,

760
00:43:45,639 --> 00:43:48,760
and there was major pressure not just from like left

761
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:52,440
wing forces, but also helped by Buckley and them two.

762
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:58,079
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, people have the time, they should watch

763
00:43:58,079 --> 00:43:59,960
the debate. It's very you know, he hit a very

764
00:44:00,159 --> 00:44:02,920
well thought out kind of case to make I guess,

765
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:04,719
but I I mean, you know, I think it was

766
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:08,239
a mistake. But anyway, I suppose the Canadian thing goes Obviously,

767
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,960
I think he's kind of joking, but he is joking.

768
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:14,760
But other I would love to take in Canada. But

769
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,320
I would take all those provinces I don't remember all

770
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:22,960
their names that are like West, leave Ontario to be

771
00:44:23,079 --> 00:44:27,119
its own European quasi European nation and let the French

772
00:44:27,119 --> 00:44:29,079
have Quebec. That would be my plan. And I would

773
00:44:29,119 --> 00:44:33,239
take British Columbia, Manitoba, Alberta. I forget the names of

774
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,320
the rest. So that's anyway, that would be my plan.

775
00:44:36,639 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 2: Did you see what Pierre Polover, I don't know how

776
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,119
to say his name, what he said in response to

777
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:46,119
Donald Trump's continued threats to make Canada It was great.

778
00:44:46,199 --> 00:44:50,440
It was this really like strong defense of Canada never

779
00:44:50,599 --> 00:44:55,239
being an American state, while also acknowledging all the problems

780
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:58,360
that lead this to even being a discussion. He is

781
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:02,159
a really impressive politician. I think, have you seen one.

782
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,840
Have you seen the interview? Elon Musk sent it out

783
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:10,159
again recently, where he's in an apple orchard getting interviewed

784
00:45:10,159 --> 00:45:13,000
by a left wing journalist who's just saying all sorts

785
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:14,599
of stuff that doesn't even you know. He's like, you're

786
00:45:14,679 --> 00:45:16,920
so trumpy, and he's like, what do you mean by that? Well,

787
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,840
you know you're Trump, Okay, do you what can you

788
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:21,639
explain to me what you mean? Well, you know what

789
00:45:21,679 --> 00:45:23,880
I mean. I have no idea what you mean? You know?

790
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,039
And so he's just like for two minutes dealing with

791
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:30,079
stupid questions from a stupid journalist, and then he asks

792
00:45:30,119 --> 00:45:34,280
some open ended question, at which point Pierre polivert Oliver

793
00:45:34,679 --> 00:45:38,239
is that right just proceeds to explain like monetary policy

794
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:41,000
and how it's been screwing over Canadians. And I was like,

795
00:45:41,119 --> 00:45:46,320
I like this guy. He's like a trumpy free marketer guy.

796
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean in Canada, the right is not what

797
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,360
we would consider a very conservative or anything. But yeah,

798
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:58,320
he's impressive. That apple orchard, well he's he's eating his apple. Yeah,

799
00:45:58,639 --> 00:46:00,920
is so funny. But it looked like a skit right

800
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:02,599
when I first watched it. I'm like, is this real

801
00:46:02,599 --> 00:46:05,039
because it seems like a skit on like SCTV or

802
00:46:05,119 --> 00:46:07,079
some whatever Canadian as an eleca.

803
00:46:07,159 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 2: The journalist is so bad.

804
00:46:08,559 --> 00:46:12,559
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, so he keeps saying, you know, people are

805
00:46:12,639 --> 00:46:15,159
saying this about you. So he keeps asking, you know,

806
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:19,400
Paulaviar keeps asking him which people who and what the

807
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,639
journalists can't say is we we keep saying that you

808
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:26,199
only keep saying that not people. People don't say because

809
00:46:26,199 --> 00:46:28,320
he says, you're always talking about right wing left wing.

810
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:30,840
He's like, I never talk about right wing or left wing.

811
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:34,960
But anyway, so yeah, he's pretty impressive. And obviously Trudeau

812
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:37,480
has stepped down on well he's.

813
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 2: He will be stepping down and he's still the yeah minister.

814
00:46:41,679 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 1: But obviously Canada is Canada. But you know, Daniel Hannon,

815
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:50,920
he's kind of this British British guy's conservative. He had

816
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,079
an interesting idea that instead of this you know, the

817
00:46:53,159 --> 00:46:56,920
anglosphere should come together, you know, into a sort of

818
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,960
alliance where we defend the things that make the end

819
00:47:00,119 --> 00:47:02,840
anglosphere great. I would say that Britain seems to be

820
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:06,280
on its way out of this of this these you know,

821
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:09,280
this kind of Western defending Western values these days but

822
00:47:09,559 --> 00:47:10,880
I don't know if we want to get into what's

823
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,920
going on there right now anyway, I think I want

824
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:14,559
to say also, I.

825
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 2: Think it's funny to read the supposed, you know, intellects

826
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:22,559
of the d C media publications where they are just like,

827
00:47:22,639 --> 00:47:26,440
what is he talking about with Greenland? Like makes a

828
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:27,880
lot of sense, And as you point out, this is

829
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:31,239
something we have thought about repeatedly over the years, and

830
00:47:31,559 --> 00:47:33,199
it makes a heck of a lot more sense than

831
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:38,639
like overthrowing you know, Libya or whatever. The neocons are

832
00:47:38,679 --> 00:47:41,159
always like proposing to do or getting involved in some

833
00:47:41,199 --> 00:47:45,480
war that has very little impact on the US. And

834
00:47:45,519 --> 00:47:49,440
I'm not advocating a war here for taking Greenland, but

835
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:50,800
I think, you know, there's a way that we could

836
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:56,760
acquire this that would be mutually beneficial to all parties, Denmark, Greenland.

837
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:57,199
Speaker 1: US, of course.

838
00:47:58,599 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 2: But it's I mean, it's okay. And what's not like

839
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,039
they're like, Oh, you want to propose a war in

840
00:48:04,039 --> 00:48:06,239
a country nobody's ever heard of, that's great. Oh you

841
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:08,960
want to talk about like your strategic security over the

842
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:14,440
long haul by acquiring the world's largest island, that's crazy.

843
00:48:14,599 --> 00:48:17,599
Speaker 1: The first proposal to buy the island was in eighteen

844
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:22,400
sixty seven. After buying Alaska, they wanted to buy Greenland.

845
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:26,440
Then there was a proposal in nineteen ten. So you know,

846
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,800
obviously this is nothing new, and I think it's a

847
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:32,800
great idea, especially if we buy There's nothing wrong with

848
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,159
buying a piece of land. We've done it before. One

849
00:48:35,199 --> 00:48:36,679
of Alaska's a state.

850
00:48:37,119 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 2: We can do it Agasana purchase.

851
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. I don't think it's a I mean, I

852
00:48:41,519 --> 00:48:42,840
don't know if it will happen. I don't know any

853
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:45,559
think about the politics of Greenland or how this works.

854
00:48:45,599 --> 00:48:47,079
But I think it's a fun idea.

855
00:48:47,159 --> 00:48:49,280
Speaker 2: One thing I think that is interesting because it's also

856
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:51,599
I think it's a pretty Lutheran place, so I like

857
00:48:51,679 --> 00:48:59,480
that we could dramatically increase the anyway. I think that

858
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:03,320
people might not realize that. I wasn't it that the

859
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:09,639
Danes inhabited that island before the Inuit population.

860
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 1: I don't know enough about it. That's interesting.

861
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:13,760
Speaker 2: I think.

862
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:21,639
Speaker 1: So the number one religion there is Evangelical Lutheranism. What's

863
00:49:21,679 --> 00:49:23,159
the population though.

864
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 2: It's like under one hundred thousand, it's not big.

865
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,280
Speaker 1: Also, the fifty six thousand.

866
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:34,519
Speaker 2: The father of Eric the Red named it Greenland as

867
00:49:34,559 --> 00:49:37,119
a pr move. I thought people would be more likely

868
00:49:37,519 --> 00:49:39,719
to go there if they thought it had any green

869
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:40,639
at all, which it does not.

870
00:49:42,519 --> 00:49:45,800
Speaker 1: I hope that happens. Here's the thing. When Trump first

871
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:48,920
mentioned it, it seemed weird he mentioned this, I think

872
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:53,719
at twenty sixteen, right, But then as things happen with Trump,

873
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:56,920
you're like, don't dismiss what he's talking about, because it

874
00:49:57,159 --> 00:49:58,599
very well could come true. Right.

875
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,159
Speaker 2: I saw this tweet from Pierre Trudeau that was like,

876
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:07,519
let me be absolutely clear, Canada will never be part

877
00:50:07,559 --> 00:50:09,679
of the United States or something, and someone was like,

878
00:50:10,079 --> 00:50:12,280
I don't know much, but I know enough having been

879
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:14,679
on this platform for a while, that you do not

880
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:19,079
tempt the fates by tweeting something like that out. But again,

881
00:50:19,159 --> 00:50:21,719
I don't want. I don't all the good Canadians to

882
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:27,760
become Americans something, most of the good Canadians to become Americans.

883
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,599
I don't want their problems. I think they're too friendly

884
00:50:30,599 --> 00:50:33,400
towards socialism. I don't like it.

885
00:50:34,199 --> 00:50:38,519
Speaker 1: Well true, I think it's important to remember that we

886
00:50:38,559 --> 00:50:41,000
don't need Canada. We just need to seal their hockey teams,

887
00:50:41,039 --> 00:50:43,360
take them out of fake cities like Edmonton, put them

888
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:47,039
in real cities like Dayton and so forth. If Canada

889
00:50:47,079 --> 00:50:52,400
became a state, just so people understand how how much

890
00:50:52,519 --> 00:50:55,400
richer we are than them, they would be the poorest

891
00:50:55,440 --> 00:51:00,320
state per capita in the United States under Mississippi. People

892
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:02,400
have to remember that at one point Canada and the

893
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,679
United States GDP was growing around the same, you know,

894
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:09,599
personal wealth was around the same, and then they decided

895
00:51:09,599 --> 00:51:13,559
to embrace socialism, and we've gone in different directions since then.

896
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:20,760
Not full blown socialism, but pretty socialistic country. Okay, is

897
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:23,320
that it? Do we want to talking about culture? Sure

898
00:51:25,039 --> 00:51:29,320
you do. You have you noticed that almost eighty percent

899
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:32,079
of our mail, I would say, is about culture, not politics.

900
00:51:32,599 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 2: Eighty is low.

901
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:34,119
Speaker 1: Yeah.

902
00:51:34,199 --> 00:51:37,679
Speaker 2: Also, like we were really thinking nobody was going to

903
00:51:37,679 --> 00:51:41,079
be listening to us over the Christmas break, and apparently

904
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:45,079
y'all were listening to nothing but us, because I think

905
00:51:45,079 --> 00:51:48,920
we got more mail over those two weeks than we

906
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,559
did from the entire year combined.

907
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:55,679
Speaker 1: Like it's just crazy, Yeah it is. We got that

908
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,719
episode generated the most male we've had and it's I

909
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:03,480
don't even think it's it's it's close. Next year, if

910
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:05,960
I remember, we will go through all those emails and

911
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:13,960
all those Christmas the recommendations. If I remember, so maybe

912
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:17,559
someone can email and remind me or we get there.

913
00:52:19,519 --> 00:52:22,880
Did you watch anything or do anything?

914
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:28,159
Speaker 2: No, because I got sick, which meant that I wasn't

915
00:52:28,639 --> 00:52:32,559
on my bike, my husband's bike that I've been using

916
00:52:32,559 --> 00:52:34,960
while my rower while we wait to get that fixed.

917
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:40,119
So no, I guess I did. I don't remember when

918
00:52:40,159 --> 00:52:44,360
we last hped. I did start that thing recommended by

919
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:48,400
a listener. I forget what it's called madness, maybe about

920
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:53,280
a CNN contributor who I think gets framed with killing someone.

921
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:59,360
Speaker 1: Hm, did you know it was it's David Bowie's birthday today?

922
00:53:00,119 --> 00:53:00,320
Speaker 4: Wait?

923
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:01,119
Speaker 1: In his birthday?

924
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:03,159
Speaker 2: Yeah?

925
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:08,559
Speaker 1: I watched a movie called The Return. Oh, who was

926
00:53:08,599 --> 00:53:12,239
it it? I thought it was okay. I mean it

927
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:15,239
was okay. It's it's kind of the from what I

928
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:18,280
gathered the Last the story of the last third of

929
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:23,960
the Odyssey. It was fine.

930
00:53:24,559 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 2: My husband and and oldest kid were gonna go see it,

931
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:31,760
but it was already out of theaters.

932
00:53:32,519 --> 00:53:38,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, Rap Finds is great. He's great. First

933
00:53:38,159 --> 00:53:40,360
of all, you know, he's in great shape, He's got

934
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:42,159
his shirt off a lot of this. For a lot

935
00:53:42,199 --> 00:53:44,679
of this movie, I was rather impressed with his workout.

936
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,719
You know, I think he's sixty one or sixty two,

937
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:50,159
and he was good. And Juliette de Binoche was in

938
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:52,840
it what is her name? And they were together remembering

939
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:53,719
the English patient.

940
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 2: Did you ever see the movie Damage?

941
00:53:57,760 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think so.

942
00:53:59,599 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 2: It's all with a novella. It's super dark. It includes

943
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:07,400
the line damaged people are dangerous because they know they

944
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:13,079
can survive. It's a great very steamy, totally inappropriate, like

945
00:54:13,119 --> 00:54:15,360
I shouldn't be recommending it, but great movie.

946
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Speaker 1: I should say that the uh, the Return is not

947
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for children. Probably there's violence and also plenty of full

948
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:31,159
frontal nudity in that movie. I did go. I forgot

949
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to mention this, but I did go to the movie

950
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theaters to see Lord of the Rings movie called The

951
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:44,280
War of Row for Naunce, which is an animated film,

952
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and it was math for me. It didn't really have that.

953
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:50,159
It didn't feel like Tolkien, you know, it wasn't. It didn't.

954
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It wasn't about bigger I you know, bigger things than ourselves,

955
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you know. It was kind of like I felt, it

956
00:54:56,199 --> 00:54:58,920
was okay though it wasn't terrible. It's not a strong

957
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recommend for me.

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Speaker 2: So I did not watch The Golden Globes, but I

959
00:55:03,159 --> 00:55:07,119
did watch the little like the Nicky Glazer mini roast

960
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at the beginning of it. So The Golden Globes kind

961
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of has a tradition of having the host of the

962
00:55:12,039 --> 00:55:16,719
show roast the crowd. Ricky Gervais did this the best

963
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:20,840
it's ever been done, like an actual meaningful roast against Hollywood,

964
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like five years ago, and Nicki Glazers was much much,

965
00:55:26,679 --> 00:55:30,800
much nicer. But I did kind of think it was

966
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opening the doors. It was like Hollywood's version of a

967
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:39,960
Maga moment. You know. She kind of mocked the me

968
00:55:40,119 --> 00:55:44,239
too movement as opposed to made it this like central,

969
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:48,440
the central issue of how people get cast in movies

970
00:55:48,519 --> 00:55:50,320
has to be dealt with in a really somber way.

971
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She kind of like dealt with it, but mocked it.

972
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Was also making fun of like the Diddy Parties in

973
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a way that was interesting to me. And then also

974
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I thought that a lot of the women there were

975
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showcasing their womanly figures in a way that was better

976
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than I'd seen in recent years. So I was like,

977
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is Hollywood having a little bit Oh. She also made

978
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fun of them for being crazy left wing democrats that

979
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have no influence.

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Speaker 1: I thought I was. I've listened to her in interviews

981
00:56:24,079 --> 00:56:27,559
and I find her somewhat refreshing. Like she will go

982
00:56:29,039 --> 00:56:31,719
she will tread in areas that usually these people won't,

983
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:34,119
though I won't say she goes hard like Ricky Gervaise

984
00:56:34,159 --> 00:56:36,679
at all, but she does, you know, she does touch

985
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:42,320
the fringes of sort of you know, contrarian or non orthodox,

986
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you know, kind of comedy.

987
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Speaker 2: I guess she called out Harrison Ford for being a

988
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:49,239
pothead And how did I miss this? Like apparently everybody

989
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:50,840
knew this and I did not know this.

990
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Speaker 1: Oh that reminds me. I finished watching the show Shrinking

991
00:56:55,159 --> 00:56:58,360
on Apple. Oh yeah, I think it's a strong recommend

992
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:01,079
for me. I mean, listen, it's not for kids either.

993
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:04,880
There's a lot of language and sexual stuff going on

994
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:09,800
sometimes you know, talk about it, but it's like about

995
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:13,280
forgiveness and it's about grief, and I think it was

996
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:16,920
just interesting and funny, and you know, I don't know,

997
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:18,639
I recommend it. He's in it, and he's very good

998
00:57:19,119 --> 00:57:21,920
plays a character with Parkinson's and I think he does

999
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:25,880
a pretty good job. So I recommend that. Since you

1000
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have nothing. We shall move to be fair different. That's

1001
00:57:32,119 --> 00:57:33,840
it I gave you. You know what else? I watched

1002
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:36,159
a show called The Sticky. Did I mention this last week?

1003
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I didn't think so, Oh, I'm never going to remember.

1004
00:57:38,679 --> 00:57:44,679
The woman's name is Margo Martin Dale. Yes is in it.

1005
00:57:44,679 --> 00:57:48,159
It's about Canada. Yes, from what was that show? What

1006
00:57:48,159 --> 00:57:53,039
I'm Yeah by Jack Ortzman. It's kind of like a

1007
00:57:53,119 --> 00:57:56,639
cake crime caper. Jamie Lee Curtis is in it, and

1008
00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:02,599
uh it happens in Quebec. And it was good. I

1009
00:58:02,599 --> 00:58:04,400
wouldn't say great, but it was fun to watch. She's

1010
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:07,679
always great. I can't she was justified. I think she was,

1011
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:11,480
you know, she was just amazing and she's great here too.

1012
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:13,880
She's always good. I've never seen her in anything where

1013
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:15,760
I'm not like that. It's so much fun to watch.

1014
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:18,320
So yeah, to recommend us, Well, that's all. That's all

1015
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I have.

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Speaker 2: Great.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, Well, and don't forget.

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Speaker 2: Our email address is radio at the Federalist dot com.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we have to hear from you until next week.

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