Speaker 1: It's nice side with Dan Ray WBZ costs new video.
Speaker 2: Oh we're back here. I'm look at this. I'm getting
Speaker 2: ready for my next hour. My goodness. Okay, thank you, Rob.
Speaker 2: Appreciate that very much. As we move into the nine
Speaker 2: o'clock hour, the Democrats are in Night two in Chicago,
Speaker 2: and I'm delighted to be joined by John zogby Polar extraordinaire.
Speaker 2: Johnny got a new book out, Beyond the horse Race,
Speaker 2: How to Read Polls and Why We Should The title
Speaker 2: is it's pretty obvious, but implifying that a little bit.
Speaker 2: And we'll talk about the book in a little while,
Speaker 2: but I'm intrigued by the title.
Speaker 3: Well, Hi, Dan, thanks for inviting me again. And I
Speaker 3: mean essentially, a lot of folks talk about polls. A
Speaker 3: lot of folks bash them, and a lot of folks
Speaker 3: misinterpret them. And those a lot of folks are, particularly
Speaker 3: those who should know better, you know, talking heads, the pundits,
Speaker 3: columnists and so on. I think a lot of it
Speaker 3: is they have wrong expectations for what poles tell us.
Speaker 3: I mean, the only number that matters is who's ahead
Speaker 3: and by how much? And that's followed up with and
Speaker 3: we predict or this poll predicts, and that is such
Speaker 3: a disservice to you know, what we really do. Yes,
Speaker 3: we're taking a snapshot of a moment in time, and
Speaker 3: we are capturing who's ahead and by how much. In
Speaker 3: addition to that, what we're doing is we're taking a
Speaker 3: look at a whole lot more.
Speaker 4: Details, like.
Speaker 3: Is Kamala Harris doing what she needs to do among blacks,
Speaker 3: among the Latinos, among that winning democratic coalition, is Trump
Speaker 3: appealing to independence? And which independence is the appealing to
Speaker 3: Those are the sorts of things that, among many others,
Speaker 3: that we should be talking about as opposed to just
Speaker 3: you know, focusing on that that one one dimensional number.
Speaker 4: Who's ahead.
Speaker 2: Okay, we you're going to stay with us until nine thirty,
Speaker 2: So folks want to ask you any question? Uh, you
Speaker 2: need to jump on now, Ladies and gentlemen, six one seven,
Speaker 2: two four ten thirty or six one seven, nine three
Speaker 2: one ten thirty. We'll try to get at least a
Speaker 2: couple of phone calls in for John Zogby before the
Speaker 2: end of the hour. I mentioned you today that that
Speaker 2: this race as it is now evolved, it's a very
Speaker 2: different rate today than it was six weeks ago. It's
Speaker 2: it's a very different race than what people anticipated six
Speaker 2: months ago. It is it's I don't know how you
Speaker 2: can poll this race effectively. I'm sure you're going to
Speaker 2: figure it out. But I use the example today that
Speaker 2: normally most races kind of I think of them as
Speaker 2: as Major league fastballs. Yeah, they're tough to poll, but
Speaker 2: you can every once in a while hit them if
Speaker 2: you time it right. But this is like trying to
Speaker 2: hit a knuckleball, a Tim Wakefield knuckleball, which is moving
Speaker 2: all over the place. This race has just moved up
Speaker 2: and down and now sideways. Do you think this race
Speaker 2: is going to be a tougher race for you and
Speaker 2: the other longtime professional posters to poll.
Speaker 3: No. No, because we've had, you know, a few decades
Speaker 3: to figure out a lot of the changing dynamics technologically,
Speaker 3: you know, from the telephone to online for calling cell phone.
Speaker 3: I think we've had time to figure that out and
Speaker 3: to you know, to get that in a pattern that
Speaker 3: we're comfortable with. And then secondly, you know, going back
Speaker 3: to the election of two thousand, we've had some very
Speaker 3: tough competitive races that we've had to poll. And you know,
Speaker 3: despite the fact that folks, would you know, like to say, oh,
Speaker 3: the posters blew this one or they blew that.
Speaker 4: One.
Speaker 3: Fact is we saw that those races were close and
Speaker 3: could tip one way or another. And I think, you know,
Speaker 3: even though there's a lot of anger and a lot
Speaker 3: of bitterness and a lot of people hanging up the phones,
Speaker 3: I'm not finding it the turf out there any more
Speaker 3: difficult to pull than anytime in the forty years I've
Speaker 3: been doing it.
Speaker 2: Does this race, I mean, this is unprecedented. I mean,
Speaker 2: six weeks ago, Joe Biden says I'm in this and
Speaker 2: only if God Almighty tells me to get out, I
Speaker 2: will get out.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 2: Apparently he did get a call from God, God Almighty sometime,
Speaker 2: I guess on the weekend of July twenty first. It's unprecedented.
Speaker 2: Does this race have beer any resemblance to any race
Speaker 2: that you that you can remember presidential race that you've
Speaker 2: seen in the past.
Speaker 3: Well, no, not in terms of driving a candidate out
Speaker 3: in mid stream. Certainly not in an incumbent as well.
Speaker 3: You know, there are some, you know, examples from the
Speaker 3: past of tight races. There are some examples of real controversies,
Speaker 3: you know, during campaigns, but this one, the level of
Speaker 3: anger and bitternesses is you know, sky high. The level
Speaker 3: of alienation and who is going to actually turn out
Speaker 3: to vote is is something that we need to look
Speaker 3: at in great detail. And I think also that whereas
Speaker 3: when Joe Biden was in it was still competitive, you know,
Speaker 3: it was a two three four point race, Trump leading,
Speaker 3: you know, consistently, but with Biden out, that's given the
Speaker 3: opportunity for a new Democratic candidate to first of all
Speaker 3: change the conversation right from age and mental acuity to
Speaker 3: just that being off the table, and now we know
Speaker 3: we can get into issues and other kinds of personal details,
Speaker 3: and then also measure how Kamala Harris is doing among
Speaker 3: those key, you know, decisive groups of voters that Democrats
Speaker 3: absolutely need in order to win. And what we're finding
Speaker 3: at this point in time is that while she isn't
Speaker 3: exactly where she needs to be to win, she's made
Speaker 3: great strides among black voters and Hispanic voters, younger voters,
Speaker 3: women voters than Biden did. And Biden was kind of
Speaker 3: boxed out because especially after the debate, there was only
Speaker 3: one issue and that dominated the news and there was
Speaker 3: no way he was going to be able to move
Speaker 3: beyond that.
Speaker 2: Okay, So here's a question on polling. And I know
Speaker 2: that this question has occurred in other races, and that
Speaker 2: is a lot of people today are anxious to say,
Speaker 2: put a Harris on Waltz button on. You can see
Speaker 2: the enthusiasm in Chicago. It's an energized Democratic base. How
Speaker 2: concerned are you as a polster that you're going that
Speaker 2: there's going to be a hidden Trump vote out there?
Speaker 2: In other words, no one is ashamed or willing or
Speaker 2: unwilling to disclose their voting for Harris if they're a
Speaker 2: Harris supporter. But I would argue that there are some
Speaker 2: Trump voters who are going to try to either tell
Speaker 2: pollsters a lie or are not going to be as
Speaker 2: forthcoming as they should be. Are you concerned about that
Speaker 2: in terms of how do you figure that?
Speaker 3: If you are, how do you calculate that in Yeah, No,
Speaker 3: that's that's a good point. First of all, let's talk
Speaker 3: about the lying. You know, when you're doing a random
Speaker 3: sample of you know, a pool of let's say one
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty one hundred and sixty million voters, and
Speaker 3: you're drawing up a sample of twelve hundred to fifteen
Speaker 3: hundred likely voters. You know, one person lying is not
Speaker 3: going to throw off those results. Two people lying isn't
Speaker 3: going to do that either. But how is anybody going
Speaker 3: to even know that there's a conspiracy when they don't
Speaker 3: even know if they're going to be contacted or not.
Speaker 3: And so I'm I've never been worried about, you know,
Speaker 3: people lying in terms of people undecided, you know, who
Speaker 3: are actually secret Trump voters but don't want to say it.
Speaker 3: I will admit that Trump has done better than pre
Speaker 3: election polls show, but I don't think he's done I
Speaker 3: haven't seen where he's done radically better. And one of
Speaker 3: the ways we can determine that is if we look
Speaker 3: at the undecided voters and see who they are and
Speaker 3: how they match, you know, demographically and party id and
Speaker 3: ideologically and so on with those groups and people who
Speaker 3: are voting for Trump, those who are voting for Harris,
Speaker 3: those who are voting for Kennedy.
Speaker 4: People.
Speaker 3: I'm not terribly concerned.
Speaker 2: Okay, there are some folks out there who say, John,
Speaker 2: how can you possibly however well balanced it is, how
Speaker 2: can you possibly get an accurate characterization? I understand how
Speaker 2: you do it, but I want to have you explain
Speaker 2: it to my audience when you're polling twelve hundred people
Speaker 2: out of a constituency of probably about one hundred and
Speaker 2: eighty million who are going to vote.
Speaker 3: Right, All right, So let's picture a huge jar of
Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty million marbles, right, and some of
Speaker 3: them are black and some of them are white, one
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty million. How do I find out how
Speaker 3: many white marbles how many black marbles? I can take
Speaker 3: pretty much the well, not the rest of my life.
Speaker 3: I'm an old man, but I can pretty much take
Speaker 3: years and years of counting all hundred and eighty marbles
Speaker 3: a million marbles and get an accurate count, hoping that
Speaker 3: nobody calls me in the meantime, or I don't get diverted,
Speaker 3: you got, Or what I can do is get that
Speaker 3: bottle shaken and then reach in blindly and draw out
Speaker 3: four hundred marbles, six hundred marble, one thousand marbles and
Speaker 3: count them. And I'll know that when I do that,
Speaker 3: I will have account of how many whites and how
Speaker 3: many black and I will if I just draw four
Speaker 3: hundred marbles, I will know that I will get that
Speaker 3: same result, plus or minus five percentage points either way,
Speaker 3: ninety five times out of one hundred. That's the law
Speaker 3: of probability. Now I have to be sure I don't
Speaker 3: change my method of drawing the marbles out. I've got
Speaker 3: to make sure that you know that I'm doing it
Speaker 3: the same exact way that I've done it all hundred times.
Speaker 3: If I draw six hundred marbles out, I'll get the
Speaker 3: same result ninety five cases out of one hundred plus
Speaker 3: or minus four and twelve hundred plus or minus three.
Speaker 3: So now that useful. Sure it is, rather than counting.
Speaker 2: You've convinced me. Hopefully you've convinced the audience a little
Speaker 2: bit as well. The law probabilities. My guess, John Zogby,
Speaker 2: if you want to jump in and ask a polster
Speaker 2: a question. Maybe you've never been asked a question by
Speaker 2: a poster, but if you have any question, bring it on.
Speaker 2: I must tell you, John, I'm finding very few people
Speaker 2: in my audience on either side who are undecided. I
Speaker 2: don't know what you're finding in your polls, but I
Speaker 2: got people calling who like Trump. I got people who
Speaker 2: are calling you like Biden. I got people some people
Speaker 2: who are calling and I should mention that that your
Speaker 2: firm is actually the polster for Robert F. Kennedy Junior.
Speaker 2: I got some people who are calling and like r
Speaker 2: FK Junior, but I find very few people who say
Speaker 2: I'm on the fence. I That's the other thing too.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of this is going to be
Speaker 2: baked in. I'm going to ask you that question and
Speaker 2: get your reaction to it if I'm reading it correctly.
Speaker 2: But I'm also going to give folks an opportunity six
Speaker 2: one seven thirty six one, seven thirty dial Now, I'll
Speaker 2: try to get you in before nine thirty. When John
Speaker 2: has to leave us. We'll be back on night Side
Speaker 2: with Foster Extraordinary John Zogby right after this.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 1: night Sight Studios. I'm WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: My guest is John Zogby. John, very quick question. I
Speaker 2: want to get to at least two calls for you
Speaker 2: here before the our time is up. I believe right now,
Speaker 2: primarily because of Donald Trump, not because of Kamala Harris,
Speaker 2: but because of Donald Trump, there are very few undecided
Speaker 2: voters out there. Would you agree to disagree?
Speaker 3: Numbers of undecideds really are dwindling, and you're right, she's
Speaker 3: on a honeymoon. She's I think folks were looking for
Speaker 3: something fresh. But in h By Labor Day, Dan, we
Speaker 3: will be at equilibrium and you'll see undecided to grow
Speaker 3: a little bit as both candidates spend a lot of
Speaker 3: time bashing each other's brains.
Speaker 2: Okay, well let's pick your brains here. We're going to
Speaker 2: start off with Mike and Foxborough, the home of New
Speaker 2: England Patriots. Mike, welcome, You're on with John Zogbie. Go
Speaker 2: right ahead, Mike, thank you, Thank you.
Speaker 5: Hey.
Speaker 6: I just want to say, or ask, and you might
Speaker 6: have touched on it, but where do you find the
Speaker 6: people for the polls? I heard you mentioned phones because
Speaker 6: it seems you know, most people don't have home phones
Speaker 6: now for or answer them, and they certainly don't answer
Speaker 6: cell phones. I would say for the most numbers, they
Speaker 6: don't know. So I don't know if calling people how
Speaker 6: you actually get a hold of people that you call
Speaker 6: the great.
Speaker 2: Great question. Let's John, John's got an answer, Fore you
Speaker 2: go ahead, John.
Speaker 3: Okay, great question, Fike. Thanks. So the fact of the
Speaker 3: matter is that over ninety percent of the polling we
Speaker 3: do now is done online. So four percent of likely
Speaker 3: voters have online access at home, which is about where
Speaker 3: the landline telephone was about forty years ago. So we
Speaker 3: have developed over the years panels of about fifteen million
Speaker 3: adults done with the email addresses, we have their demographics,
Speaker 3: and we have a panel that is representative of both
Speaker 3: adults in the US and then like the voters in
Speaker 3: the US, And what we do is we draw random
Speaker 3: samples from those fifteen million and then invite them to
Speaker 3: a secure website to take a poll. And the response
Speaker 3: rates are much better than they are on landline telephones
Speaker 3: and then eons better than they are on cell phones.
Speaker 3: Cell phones are people that are just very difficult to reach,
Speaker 3: and yet they're seventy percent of the folks with phones
Speaker 3: these days. I hope that helps.
Speaker 6: A quick follow up or ahead. Yeah, yeah, so this panel,
Speaker 6: this is interesting. So like I see poles online that
Speaker 6: I won't take them for the people that you have
Speaker 6: and these panels, as you call them, they know that
Speaker 6: they're going to a secure website and there are people
Speaker 6: that a pool that generally answer or complete the polls.
Speaker 6: Is that kind of a somewhat correct assumption.
Speaker 3: It's the panel of those willing to take polls, but
Speaker 3: they don't always get invited. That they hardly ever get invited,
Speaker 3: and very few of them take more than a couple
Speaker 3: of holes a year.
Speaker 2: Okay, you got it, Mike. Great, great quot great questions.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Those are the questions that other people are thinking about.
Speaker 2: Let me go to Kathy in New York. Kathy, you're
Speaker 2: with John Zogby, who's all from new also from New York.
Speaker 2: His home bases Utica, New York. Kathy. Where are you from?
Speaker 5: He's right down the road from me.
Speaker 2: Where are you what town?
Speaker 5: I'm calling from? Rome?
Speaker 2: From Rome?
Speaker 4: All right, we.
Speaker 3: Are Hey, Love Rome, and I hope you guys heal
Speaker 3: filmed terrible tornado there?
Speaker 5: Yes, we we we survived, but we didn't lose some trees,
Speaker 5: but otherwise we did far better than some of our
Speaker 5: neighbors who had a lot of trees come down on
Speaker 5: their houses.
Speaker 2: Kathy, I just want you to know I got back
Speaker 2: from that other room in Italy from about ten days ago.
Speaker 2: You go right ahead. What question do you have with
Speaker 2: my friend John Zogby? Polster, go right ahead, Captain.
Speaker 5: I have to ask. I'm a die die heart Trump fan.
Speaker 5: I don't necessarily agree but I think during his term
Speaker 5: of presidency, me and my husband were much better off
Speaker 5: than what we have been in And I'm just wondering,
Speaker 5: I see some of I talked to some of these women,
Speaker 5: and they just seem like they're more interested in having
Speaker 5: a woman president then the topics themselves that are really
Speaker 5: the things that matter. What is your opinion?
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: The good thing about polls is that in those twelve
Speaker 3: hundred people that we contact, or however many we do,
Speaker 3: it's representative of the whole nation or the state or whatever,
Speaker 3: and it goes beyond our network of friends, goes beyond
Speaker 3: you know, the beauty salon or the barbershop or the supermarket.
Speaker 3: And so there's a lot of reasons why people are
Speaker 3: voting for voting against the candidates. So that is one
Speaker 3: of the things that I think a lot of folks
Speaker 3: mis about polls, and I talk about it in my book,
Speaker 3: the fact that it is representative, so it kind of
Speaker 3: opens the window for us to see a broader swath
Speaker 3: of the American people have.
Speaker 2: Not everybody thinks alike. Obviously there's people who.
Speaker 5: Not at all, but I think people who for her ahead,
Speaker 5: you know, voting for somebody just because they're a woman
Speaker 5: for president and the run. There's the economy and so
Speaker 5: many other things that are important, and it wouldn't be
Speaker 5: a shame for her to get in office just because
Speaker 5: she's a woman and then have nothing get done and
Speaker 5: be worse off for the next four years.
Speaker 2: Well, let's assume Kathy, that Condoleezza Rice was running for president.
Speaker 2: You know, at some point, would you be voting for
Speaker 2: Condelieza Rice for president?
Speaker 5: You know, I think she would have more experience. I
Speaker 5: just don't think.
Speaker 2: The fact that she's a Republican. I bet you might
Speaker 2: help as well. Hey, Kathy, I hate to do this
Speaker 2: to you, but we're running out of time with John
Speaker 2: z What I was trying to say, Kathy was that
Speaker 2: different people look at these races differently, And what John
Speaker 2: Zogby has to do is he has to get a
Speaker 2: sampling of people from different parties, different genders, different ages,
Speaker 2: different geographic areas, and also different points of view. If
Speaker 2: he did a poll with you know, twelve hundred Trump supporters,
Speaker 2: I think Trump probably would win, would carry the poll
Speaker 2: to but he has to make sure that that isn't
Speaker 2: the case. Kathy. I hope you hope you get a
Speaker 2: full recovery up there in Rome, New York.
Speaker 5: Okay, great, thank you, bye.
Speaker 2: Okay, bye bye. John. Always always great to talk with you,
Speaker 2: and you clarify a set of circumstances and a skill
Speaker 2: set that is very mysterious to a lot of my listeners.
Speaker 2: And yet at the end of the day, you your
Speaker 2: reputation and the reputation of other good friends of mine
Speaker 2: like Dave Paleyl Logus and Spencer Kimball. You guys need
Speaker 2: to be right. I mean, that's that's what what what
Speaker 2: you were dealing with. You're you're not in it to
Speaker 2: root for one side or the other. And I want
Speaker 2: people to understand that that you want to be right
Speaker 2: and correct because that's your reputation. So thank you for
Speaker 2: what you're doing. I'm sure we'll check back in with it,
Speaker 2: maybe a couple of times. We're now and over for
Speaker 2: fifth with if you all right, Thanks, thanks so much,
Speaker 2: John Zogby, ladies and gentlemen, if you're on the line,
Speaker 2: stay there. We'll talk a little bit about Paul and
Speaker 2: we'll also talk about the race. We'll talk about what
Speaker 2: happened last night, uh in in in Chicago, and there's
Speaker 2: a lot to talk about because I think that I
Speaker 2: really believe this. I think that Joe Biden was given
Speaker 2: the short end of the stick last night and the
Speaker 2: Democrats should have built the program around him in a
Speaker 2: prime time presentation. I am, and that's my thoughts. You
Speaker 2: might agree, you might disagree, and that's fine. We'll be
Speaker 2: back on Nightside right after this, after the News at
Speaker 2: the bottom of the hour.
Speaker 1: Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2: By the way, I just would like to mention that
Speaker 2: if you are interested in polling, John Zogby's book which
Speaker 2: is coming out literally this month, early September, Beyond the
Speaker 2: horse Race, How to Read Polls and Why We Should
Speaker 2: It is a timely read for the politically inclined, and
Speaker 2: a lot of you are politically inclined. And again, John
Speaker 2: Zogby is a pollster who has been in the business
Speaker 2: for forty years and he's very kind to spend time
Speaker 2: with us as his day palaeologus. And also Spencer Kimball
Speaker 2: Dave of Suffolk and Spencer Kimball of Emerson. These individuals,
Speaker 2: these companies, they the only thing that they have is
Speaker 2: their ability to not predict the outcome, but to show
Speaker 2: the race as it develops. It's like watching a baseball
Speaker 2: game and in the bottom of the seventh inning the
Speaker 2: Red Sox are losing five to one, but there's still
Speaker 2: a couple of innings to play, and every once in
Speaker 2: a while they'll pull it out in the bottom of
Speaker 2: the night. Six to five doesn't mean that the announcers
Speaker 2: were wrong, and they said it was five to one
Speaker 2: in the in the seventh, so you gotta understand that
Speaker 2: they're legitimate. They're not out to hurt your candidate. Now
Speaker 2: here's what I would like to do. I would like
Speaker 2: to start a conversation tonight that deals with what happened
Speaker 2: last night. It is night two in Chicago for the Democrats,
Speaker 2: and tonight I guarantee you that when former President Obama speaks,
Speaker 2: it will be not at eleven thirty at night. Okay,
Speaker 2: he will speak as he should in prime time, no
Speaker 2: question in my mind about that. Last night I felt
Speaker 2: badly for Joe Biden. Basically he was held back until
Speaker 2: eleven thirty at night. And there's been some comments on that,
Speaker 2: which we will get to. But what I'd prefer to
Speaker 2: do is hear from you, Okay, hear from you on
Speaker 2: your thoughts about what's been going on so far with
Speaker 2: the Democratic Convention. The other type of people I would
Speaker 2: love to hear from, really would love to hear if
Speaker 2: you are a truly undecided voter. I don't believe there
Speaker 2: are many undecided voters out there. I think most of
Speaker 2: you have figured out who you're going to vote for. Now.
Speaker 2: Maybe it'll change. I guess it could change if there
Speaker 2: was some outstanding debate performance or some extraordinary as we
Speaker 2: call the October surprise. But if there is anyone out
Speaker 2: there who's truly on the fence, I'd love to hear
Speaker 2: from you, and we'll do our own little poll of you.
Speaker 2: I'll ask you some questions and I'll try to predict
Speaker 2: how you will vote, so we'll have some fun with this.
Speaker 2: Let me go first to John, who's calling. By the way,
Speaker 2: you know the number six one seven tw thirty six
Speaker 2: seven thirty. If you really are truly independent, meaning undecided, undecided,
Speaker 2: and you don't know if you had to vote today,
Speaker 2: who you would vote for, give us the call, and
Speaker 2: if you want to talk about was Joe Biden disc
Speaker 2: last night? I think he was. Let's go to John
Speaker 2: on the South Shore. Hey, John, welcome, next to a nightside.
Speaker 2: How are you, sir?
Speaker 4: Not I I'm on the fence. Uh, Dan, are you
Speaker 4: truly on the fence side? Really haven't been keeping track
Speaker 4: of the Democratic Convention. I had never really kept track
Speaker 4: of the Republican Convention. I really want to have the
Speaker 4: best qualified person somebody that's opted the task of being
Speaker 4: the president of the United States, may a woman or
Speaker 4: a man.
Speaker 2: Okay, so let me if I can't, Yeah, go ahead,
Speaker 2: go ahead. I didn't mean to interrupt. I thought you
Speaker 2: were finished. Go ahead.
Speaker 4: No, I was just going to say, Uh, it really
Speaker 4: comes down to a lot of different issues to me.
Speaker 4: Uh is the women's issues, women's rights. It also comes
Speaker 4: down and it's a big thing here in Massachusetts, says,
Speaker 4: you know, listening to the homeless shelter food situation, I
Speaker 4: want to know what the federal government's going to do
Speaker 4: with the border, with what they're doing to protect the
Speaker 4: homeless people who are already homeless. And now you have
Speaker 4: an inflex So I don't want anybody to slip through
Speaker 4: the crack. And I really want somebody to take an
Speaker 4: active part in the federal end, because it's really to
Speaker 4: have the state end the federal end. Yes, to make
Speaker 4: an initiative to really do what is positive in helping
Speaker 4: out everybody be inclusive, not exclusive, and I just don't
Speaker 4: see that. I just see a lot of people passing
Speaker 4: the buck. And I'm ready to answer any question you
Speaker 4: want to ask.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, first of all, I wish that I know
Speaker 2: you called in a little late and we had only
Speaker 2: a certain amount of time with John Zogby. I would have
Speaker 2: loved to have him talking. So I'm going to ask you, okay,
Speaker 2: a few questions, and then I'm going to try to
Speaker 2: predict how you will eventually vote. And I want you
Speaker 2: when you finally come to a conclusion, I want you
Speaker 2: to call me back, whether that's next week, next month,
Speaker 2: or on November fifth. So first of we're glad to
Speaker 2: do that, okay, So let's try off. Okay, do you
Speaker 2: generally vote in presidential elections?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 2: Okay? Have you ever not voted in a presidential election? Me?
Speaker 4: And have made it, I've made it. I've made it
Speaker 4: the points to vote for each and every election, okay,
Speaker 4: even on the state and local level. I feel it's
Speaker 4: it's the right to vote. Haven't worked with the army, uh,
Speaker 4: people put their life on the line and down here
Speaker 4: in the South Shore and Quinsy. We have what we
Speaker 4: call the loan sailor. Those are people who put their
Speaker 4: life on the line to provide me but also giving
Speaker 4: us the right to make decisions and who the leaders
Speaker 4: are going to be.
Speaker 2: All right, fair enough, okay? What was the first president
Speaker 2: financial election you're voted in? If you remember when? When
Speaker 2: did you turn eighteen?
Speaker 4: I'm about seventy now.
Speaker 2: Okay, so you probably voted in nineteen.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go out roll limb here. Don't hold me
Speaker 4: to the to the president. But I think it was JFK.
Speaker 2: No, No, you would if you're seventy years of ag Okay,
Speaker 2: JFK ran in nineteen sixty. I'll tell you when you
Speaker 2: first voted. I'm going to tell you when you first voted.
Speaker 4: No, I think I think it was not Obama, but
Speaker 4: his wife was on TV yesterday doing a Clinton Clinton
Speaker 4: I think was my first one.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, so this was if you voted for Bill Clinton,
Speaker 2: you would have first voted in nineteen ninety two. You
Speaker 2: would have been eligible if you're seventy. Okay, if you're seventy,
Speaker 2: you were born in nineteen fifty four, correct, fifty five
Speaker 2: fifty five. Okay, So you were first eligible to vote
Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy six. Okay, that was Ford and Carter.
Speaker 2: You didn't vote in that, I.
Speaker 4: Tell you something. Yeah, I voted Kata.
Speaker 2: All right, look at this now, now we're making some progress.
Speaker 2: So now that's your first election. Okay. In nineteen eighty
Speaker 2: you had a choice between Carter and Reagan. Who'd you
Speaker 2: vote for?
Speaker 4: Reagan?
Speaker 2: So you went with Reagan. Reagan runs for reelection against
Speaker 2: Mondale in eighty four. Who'd you vote for? If you remember?
Speaker 4: What? Do you want to repeat that? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Reagan then runs for reelection in nineteen eighty four and
Speaker 2: he smoked Reagan. So you're Reagan voted twice. Okay. So
Speaker 2: now it's nineteen eighty eight and Michael Dukakis, who's the
Speaker 2: governor of Massachusetts, is running against then Vice President George Bush.
Speaker 2: Do you remember who you voted for?
Speaker 4: George Bush?
Speaker 2: George Bush? Okay, along comes Bill Clinton and he's challenging
Speaker 2: incumbent George Bush. Who'd you vote for?
Speaker 4: Bush?
Speaker 2: Bush? Okay? Now it's nineteen ninety six. You voted for
Speaker 2: Republicans four times. It's nineteen ninety six. Bill Clinton is
Speaker 2: being challenged by Bob Dole, a war hero senator from Kansas.
Speaker 4: I voted for Clinton. Clinton.
Speaker 2: Okay, so you thought Clinton was doing a pretty good
Speaker 2: job and you went with Clinton. Now it's two thousand.
Speaker 4: And I think a lot has to do with the
Speaker 4: age of gold.
Speaker 2: Yeah, turn up, whatever, it doesn't matter. I'm just trying
Speaker 2: to get your trying to get your voting pattern here,
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to get you. I'm like a doctor.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to get your pattern. Okay. So now it's
Speaker 2: two thousand and George Bush's son is running against them,
Speaker 2: the incumbent Vice President Al Gore.
Speaker 4: I went with Bush.
Speaker 2: Bush back to the Republicans gave okay. Now Bush is
Speaker 2: running for re election against Massachusetts' own John Kerry Bush again,
Speaker 2: Bush again. Okay. Now, now it's two thousand and eight,
Speaker 2: and a fellow by the name of Barack Obama has.
Speaker 4: Come along and he's made Barack Obama.
Speaker 2: Barack Obama in two thousand and eight. What about four
Speaker 2: years later? Boy, rather Obama and Romney?
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm sorry Obama and what.
Speaker 2: And Mitt Romney was the Republican nominee in twenty twelve?
Speaker 4: Let me think about this. Uh No, I went I
Speaker 4: went with Obama again.
Speaker 2: So you okay, so you you liked Obama twice, you
Speaker 2: liked Reagan twice. A lot of people did that. Okay.
Speaker 2: So now it's twenty sixteen and it's Hillary Clinton going
Speaker 2: against Donald Trump.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna I'm and it was Hillary and Trump. Yeah,
Speaker 4: And can I be honest with you on this one?
Speaker 2: Sure? I want you to be honest with him?
Speaker 4: A go ahead, I'm gonna tell you. No, I'm gonna
Speaker 4: tell you something. If I may, I want to. I
Speaker 4: want to have some input here on this. It was
Speaker 4: a big mistake to put Trump in, big mistake.
Speaker 2: Okay. So but who'd you vote for Trump?
Speaker 4: I hate to say it. I voted for Trump.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's fine. So now Trump goes up against Joe Biden.
Speaker 2: Last time, what you do?
Speaker 4: I went with Biden Biden?
Speaker 2: Okay. Now it's twenty twenty four, Joe Biden has left
Speaker 2: the race, and you got Trump and Kamala Harris.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, you're gonna vote.
Speaker 2: You're going to vote for Harris? You're on decided.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna tell you, I'm gonna go with Harris.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well we just figured it out. What what is that?
Speaker 4: So?
Speaker 2: Your vote is much more an anti Trump vote than
Speaker 2: it is a pro Harris vote.
Speaker 4: Uh, you're correct in that assumption.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's fine, That's fine. And what is the single
Speaker 2: most important is that the economy? Is that the border?
Speaker 2: Is it abortion? Is it immigration? What is the single I.
Speaker 4: Think I think it's a combination of a lot of things.
Speaker 2: Enough.
Speaker 4: I think the immigration is a very important issue. I
Speaker 4: think women have a right to choose what they want
Speaker 4: to do. But I really feel stroggling about this. People
Speaker 4: have to be more responsible for their actions and if
Speaker 4: they do something bond, they have to stand up. And
Speaker 4: there was a time we had Hillary and Trump when
Speaker 4: we had this allocate. We had this altercation at an event,
Speaker 4: and nobody took the time to say stand down. And honestly,
Speaker 4: I've just seen too much with Trump. Haven't worked in
Speaker 4: the federal government for a while protecting dignitaries.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 4: And I have a friend whose son is a Secret
Speaker 4: Service agent and they're trained to take the hit just
Speaker 4: like I was thirty five years on the job, and
Speaker 4: for him to put his hand up in defiance, it
Speaker 4: would have been like Kennedy with a second shootout. But
Speaker 4: I'm going to go one more with you, and I
Speaker 4: can never forgive him being connected to the military and
Speaker 4: my uncle. My uncle was in the Korean War and
Speaker 4: that was a photo op with Kim jongle because his
Speaker 4: father took care of my uncle for three and a
Speaker 4: half years and he came home and as a disabled veteran,
Speaker 4: he lost all his feeling. And the bottom line is,
Speaker 4: you want somebody to take charge. You want somebody to
Speaker 4: defend freedom for what it is, no matter where it goes,
Speaker 4: not cut deals with dictators.
Speaker 2: All right, John, you are definitely I told you I
Speaker 2: would figure out who you go to vote for. You
Speaker 2: are a Harris voter, primarily an anti Trump voter, but
Speaker 2: you're going to vote for Harris. There's no doubt about it.
Speaker 4: I can I make one last point if I make.
Speaker 2: Real quickly, because I'm way past my breakup. I've really
Speaker 2: enjoyed the call, but I'm break Here's.
Speaker 4: My last point, Dan, I'm going to be running for
Speaker 4: office in Norfolk County and I will be a Republican,
Speaker 4: but I'm going to be more responsive in serving the people.
Speaker 4: They don't serve me. I serve them, and I want
Speaker 4: you to think and see who makes their the hop
Speaker 4: as a Republican taking McDermott out, and that is it,
Speaker 4: and I in tonight and have a good night. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I don't know who McDermott is, so I'm not sure
Speaker 4: what he's a president sheriff who has no confidence from
Speaker 4: the peoples.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, well and I'll let you go. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'll let it go on that because i'm i'm I'm
Speaker 2: I'm kind of blind to that race. Thanks, John, I
Speaker 2: appreciate you call. So there is there is an undecided
Speaker 2: voter claimed to be undecided. He is going with Harris.
Speaker 2: Let's open up these phone lines. Six one seven two
Speaker 2: thirty six one seven nine. Did the Democrats diss Joe
Speaker 2: Biden last night by not allowing him to speak until
Speaker 2: eleven thirty East Coast time? I think they did. And
Speaker 2: if you're an undecided voter, I love to talk with you.
Speaker 2: I won't go through all of your voting pattern, but
Speaker 2: I'll be able to figure out who you're going to
Speaker 2: vote for in my opinion, that's my opinion. Join the conversation.
Speaker 2: We got wide open lines. We're going to talk about
Speaker 2: this until midnight. Trust me back after.
Speaker 1: This now back to Dan ray Line from the Window
Speaker 1: World Night Side studios.
Speaker 2: On w b Z the news radio, or let me
Speaker 2: go to Connor from Hingham and Connor, I can always
Speaker 2: hold you ove if we don't finish the call, you
Speaker 2: go right ahead, Connor, Welcome. How are you Jared?
Speaker 4: How are you Dan?
Speaker 2: I'm doing great. You ever called the show before?
Speaker 7: I think a few years ago I did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Wow, I didn't remember the name Connor from Hingham?
Speaker 2: What's on your mind tonight? Connor?
Speaker 7: So I've been thinking about how every election cycle, you know,
Speaker 7: it's always made out to be like this is a
Speaker 7: turning point, this is such a critical election. That's what
Speaker 7: the politicians always say. I personally really feel that twenty
Speaker 7: twelve was a major turning point election and the country
Speaker 7: made the wrong choice by not electing Romney because if
Speaker 7: he had been elected, he would have saved the economy
Speaker 7: that was floundering under Obama. I know, Obama had the
Speaker 7: worst recession recovery, and I think in American history the
Speaker 7: growth rate was very low. Romney would have basically all
Speaker 7: the good policies that Trump did. Romney would have enacted
Speaker 7: years earlier, but you know, without the horrifically divisive rhetoric
Speaker 7: that you know, just tears the fabric of the country apart.
Speaker 7: I think when Obama had another unsuccessful term, that meant
Speaker 7: that a large portion of the country was all of
Speaker 7: a sudden in a position where they could be, you know,
Speaker 7: vulnerable to going along with someone like Trump, and I
Speaker 7: think the other half of the country, a lot of
Speaker 7: them started deering further left word towards socialism, because you know,
Speaker 7: I think that happens when people get scared and they
Speaker 7: feel like the economy is not working for them, they
Speaker 7: might be more inclined to trust big government. But yeah,
Speaker 7: i'd be interested in your thoughts on that. How different
Speaker 7: the country would be today if we had had been
Speaker 7: so lucky to have a Romney presidency.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know, to be really honest with you,
Speaker 2: and I can't give you a real quick answer because
Speaker 2: we're up against it. Can I hold you through the
Speaker 2: ten o'clock news and I'll take you right at the
Speaker 2: top of the hour?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Sure, Yeah, I'd love to try to answer that question.
Speaker 2: We'll be back with Connor from Hingham and if you'd
Speaker 2: like to join the conversation, we're talking on politics from
Speaker 2: now until midnight. There's no question about that. Six one, seven, two, five,
Speaker 2: four ten thirty six one seven nine three one ten
Speaker 2: thirty got some open lines, feel free. I eventually want
Speaker 2: to talk about the Democrats last night, and did they
Speaker 2: diss Joe Biden. I think they did. I know they
Speaker 2: dissed James Taylor. We'll be back after this