Speaker 1: M dire wave. The scientific method cannot justify the scientific method.
Speaker 1: Therefore itself is a dogmatic.
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Speaker 1: The Brazenski model, the technocraft model, is much more interested
Speaker 1: in the incremental slow, killed babing an approach to bring
Speaker 1: technocracy into being. So they're not going to send homeland
Speaker 1: security troops to round you up and put you in
Speaker 1: a FEMA camp.
Speaker 6: They'd much rather remote everybody being in video games, the Disney.
Speaker 1: Gulog, the virtual reality gulog, all this kind of stuff
Speaker 1: is in much better FEMA camp in your home. They
Speaker 1: don't need the FEMA camp. It's it's too messy, it's
Speaker 1: a big ordeal, and it's all the nonsense of all
Speaker 1: the patriot crap on the radio.
Speaker 7: That's not gonna happen.
Speaker 1: They don't need to the shadow of the global government
Speaker 1: is already here. And as we said that it's in
Speaker 1: the latter stages of the mopping up process to move
Speaker 1: it into the next phase, i e. Between two ages
Speaker 1: of the next page.
Speaker 6: Once you have atheism, there's not really any foundation. Anything
Speaker 6: can come and uplish.
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Speaker 1: Ash throughout the course of philosophy. We can see in
Speaker 1: history when you divorce anthropology from this kind of a
Speaker 1: revealed framework that we're going to talk about, what you
Speaker 1: get is basically disaster, and you get things like reductionistic
Speaker 1: materialism and so forth that ultimately wipe out the notion
Speaker 1: of where it is to be human person. And when
Speaker 1: there's no notion of a human person, than things like
Speaker 1: free will, delition, these all all the way by the wayside,
Speaker 1: because they're ultimately a looser. If the world is a
Speaker 1: determined materialistic process, then free will is a laser, and
Speaker 1: so is consciousness.
Speaker 2: H mm hmm.
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Speaker 2: You hear me, nurse?
Speaker 1: Forty thousand of you live? Thirty thousand chaps yourself nerds
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Speaker 1: Bargain day her.
Speaker 7: Yes, a right.
Speaker 2: H m hmm.
Speaker 1: If only your antics were live. Ah, there we go.
Speaker 7: Let me make yours.
Speaker 1: So you can once again be a star like you
Speaker 1: want to be.
Speaker 8: Star. That's all I got. I'm a big, bright, shining star.
Speaker 8: What's that?
Speaker 1: What movie is that?
Speaker 4: From?
Speaker 1: What Bogie Nights?
Speaker 7: Oh?
Speaker 1: I don't even remember that.
Speaker 8: Hear that? It's like I'm a star. I'm a big
Speaker 8: right shining star. It's got like this crazy mom. That's
Speaker 8: actually a decent movie for being such a big getre.
Speaker 1: There we go. Now we can see beautiful glowing faces.
Speaker 1: I can never get the light right in here.
Speaker 8: The thing is, no matter how much you wipe the camera,
Speaker 8: you can't wipe the ugly at.
Speaker 1: It you know you're talking about on your screen?
Speaker 8: Ooh, burn, what's happing?
Speaker 1: Make sure I got the right crap turned on here?
Speaker 1: Multi output? Yeah, there we go. All right, we finally
Speaker 1: got it going. I'm always late as usual. You can
Speaker 1: always count on me to be consistently late, with Madman
Speaker 1: Tristan joining us two hundred and eighty nerds as we
Speaker 1: start to Night's break down. He's losing it, Tristan. The
Speaker 1: vegans are triggered this week, dude, this.
Speaker 8: Has been like, this is probably one of the most
Speaker 8: hardcore vegan triggering weeks ever and we didn't We only
Speaker 8: talked to that guy for like less than two minutes.
Speaker 8: He didn't even debate. But there's still miss man. It's
Speaker 8: like a like we you know, swatted a wasp's nest
Speaker 8: or something they're swarming, and.
Speaker 1: He's tagged you like every day, like ten times a day,
Speaker 1: and everything he posts this.
Speaker 8: Has to remind me how much he owned me, right, Like,
Speaker 8: that's why he That's why he hasn't tagged me twenty
Speaker 8: times and dm me constantly twitter tagging. I blocked him
Speaker 8: on Twitter and Instagram, so I was just sick of
Speaker 8: the tagging and the DM But yeah, yeah, I'm not
Speaker 8: really sure what his narrative is now. But I haven't
Speaker 8: watched any of his videos, but I think he's made
Speaker 8: about three videos in the last few days. I think
Speaker 8: there's he's done like ten hours of streaming about our well,
Speaker 8: like ten minutes that he was even on my live stream.
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe he did a six hour stream immediately
Speaker 1: after leaving our little tip protect like, you don't have
Speaker 1: nothing else going on that you're going to spend six
Speaker 1: hours talking about the ten minutes that we interacted. And
Speaker 1: you said that that a logic, that a informal fallacy
Speaker 1: is not a logical fallacy, which is pretty funny.
Speaker 8: Well, I mean, I don't get it, man. You did it.
Speaker 8: You ask him if he had any education. He basically
Speaker 8: said no.
Speaker 1: Uh, I googled.
Speaker 8: I googled it.
Speaker 1: He literally said, he googled it.
Speaker 8: I googled something, dude. I that was one of the
Speaker 8: strangest encounters I've had with a vegan yet. And the
Speaker 8: fact that he was so he was so adamant that
Speaker 8: he wanted to come and debate me, and he was taunting.
Speaker 8: He made like three taunt videos and I was I
Speaker 8: didn't even watch the top videos. I was gonna watch
Speaker 8: them with him so we could respond to like whatever,
Speaker 8: you know, straw Man. He tried to pull yeah, but
Speaker 8: he didn't. He didn't even want to bring an argument.
Speaker 8: I don't I don't really understand, but I guess what
Speaker 8: I'm seeing from the vegan comments after the fact, is
Speaker 8: the narrative that's being woven is we pushed that we
Speaker 8: were so scared of Ask yourself. We were just so
Speaker 8: afraid of the.
Speaker 1: Debate that we were scared.
Speaker 8: We're so scared even though we've already debated, ask yourself.
Speaker 8: And he's been begging for he's been begging for a
Speaker 8: rematch for what two years now, ask yourself? And that's
Speaker 8: because he knows he won, right, you beg for a
Speaker 8: rematch and because you know you won. But yeah, what
Speaker 8: was I gonna say? There was a Oh, the narrative
Speaker 8: seems to be that I'm getting from the vegans. The
Speaker 8: message seems to be that I'm bald, bald man bad
Speaker 8: seems to be the main argument, and the other arguments
Speaker 8: are I muted him in our debate. We didn't even debate.
Speaker 8: I muted him because he was saying nothing, and he
Speaker 8: kept saying, oh, well, so you're cooking out, You're gonna
Speaker 8: cook out, You're gonna woos out, and I'm just like, dude,
Speaker 8: you're fucking muted. So anyways, I was muting him even
Speaker 8: though we weren't even debating. And I guess that was
Speaker 8: that that made me lose the debate that didn't even happen.
Speaker 8: The delusion is just next level right now. I don't
Speaker 8: really know how to keep up, but it's exciting, you know.
Speaker 8: I'm glad to be on their minds. We got some
Speaker 8: super fans. It seems most of my super fans are
Speaker 8: from the vegan the vegan world. But yeah, we'll see
Speaker 8: what happens maybe.
Speaker 2: Though.
Speaker 8: I did three nights in a row of open lines
Speaker 8: and not a single vegan called in.
Speaker 1: I thought you call in, didn't you have one?
Speaker 8: You're right one? But she was really cool.
Speaker 1: She was okay. By the way, thank you for that
Speaker 1: fat super chat you did the last stream. I was
Speaker 1: starting to get a really neck crick headache going as
Speaker 1: kind of part of the reason I cut that stream quick.
Speaker 1: I did some other things that had to go do,
Speaker 1: but just testing it out. Look at that. That was
Speaker 1: that last super chat we got from old Trist himself.
Speaker 8: Good old Trists, old bald ass Trist.
Speaker 1: And bald as Trist And who is nutrient nutrient deficient
Speaker 1: from his meat serial killer Hannibal elector diet Yes, and
Speaker 1: all the vegans are buff and.
Speaker 8: Strong and vegans No, there's no, it was amazing. Is
Speaker 8: there's no such thing as about vegan right, there's not
Speaker 8: not a single.
Speaker 1: I mean Herrench one inch herbivor. I keep calling him
Speaker 1: inch herbivor, but that may be construed as a penile attack.
Speaker 1: But one INTIVORTI war. He has a bald head as
Speaker 1: far as I could tell, I mean maybe.
Speaker 8: No, no, but that's but no, that's different.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 8: And also doctor Gregor right there, Uh, that's different. That's uh,
Speaker 8: that's from nutrient optimization and high testoster minds from cholesterol
Speaker 8: and lack of lack of veganism and lack of logic,
Speaker 8: lack of love and denial of science. Right that these
Speaker 8: are the arguments that you have.
Speaker 1: You have hannibal le tourism in you.
Speaker 7: That's right.
Speaker 1: I got the elect electarian, I.
Speaker 8: Got that the meat.
Speaker 1: They like the.
Speaker 8: I don't know at this point. I will wait it
Speaker 8: out and we'll see if these people want to call in.
Speaker 8: I mean that that did still welcome, will come on.
Speaker 8: Whatever that fact's name was listening vegan logic after his
Speaker 8: real name. But he's welcome to come on. You can
Speaker 8: come and debate anytime, like I do, open do open,
Speaker 8: what's called open lines. I'll do another open lines probably
Speaker 8: next weekend. So any any vegans, you guys want to
Speaker 8: come in, you guys want to debate, or if it's
Speaker 8: just you know, friendly.
Speaker 1: The girl, the girl that we were laughing at calling
Speaker 1: Marina Abramovic's Marinka Abronkovich's daughter. She messaged me, but Jinaka
Speaker 1: had messaged me too.
Speaker 8: She she emailed me and she came on.
Speaker 1: She was the one who came on. Is she the
Speaker 1: one that came on?
Speaker 8: Yeah? She was. Actually she was actually pretty cool, like
Speaker 8: she was, uh, she was mellow. We talked about I mean,
Speaker 8: I disagree with her. I think she's kind of illusional
Speaker 8: about some things. I think she's completely wrong about a
Speaker 8: lot of things. No, she was not psychotic, and she
Speaker 8: was was she was amiable and she could have a conversation, right,
Speaker 8: So she got more balls than lifting vegan logic. Which
Speaker 8: the way that he did it was just so funny.
Speaker 8: The way he did that. This dude knew damn well
Speaker 8: that we are never like, we're not about to debate.
Speaker 8: Ask yourself again unless there's some extreme circumstance to make
Speaker 8: it extra worth it and extra entertaining. But there's no
Speaker 8: point in it, right, and he's not welcome here. I
Speaker 8: know he's been stalking you for two years.
Speaker 1: I got it.
Speaker 8: I had to block him on YouTube, Instagram, I think
Speaker 8: Twitter as well, just because the incessant tagging and trying
Speaker 8: to challenge me to rematches. So what's his face? New
Speaker 8: that we weren't about to have ask yourself on yet
Speaker 8: he brought him. Anyways, I just thought it was funny.
Speaker 8: It's kind of like when like a you know, like
Speaker 8: sixth grade or something.
Speaker 2: Like.
Speaker 8: It's like he's like he picked a fight and then
Speaker 8: trying to bring his big brother to the fight. But
Speaker 8: his big brother is a giant pussy also, so it's
Speaker 8: it's kind of, yeah, it didn't really work out.
Speaker 1: Mine than you.
Speaker 9: It's wide and it's strong, gut.
Speaker 10: I go.
Speaker 1: Inch King war. By the way, shout out to Mark Passio.
Speaker 8: Shout Mark Passio. When you when you're coming on, man,
Speaker 8: that's that's the next one. Let's get the Mark Passio debate.
Speaker 1: Mark. Come on.
Speaker 8: We know you're you're huge fans, uh, come on you.
Speaker 8: We can debate your natural law or free Masonic law,
Speaker 8: or your great work or your widow's son's peak or whatever.
Speaker 8: It's a great work on the widow's peak of your
Speaker 8: widows son's peak or your uh, you can bring your
Speaker 8: two ball cane and your I don't know you can.
Speaker 8: You can even wear your cute little skirt thing, your
Speaker 8: gay little skirt where you have your holies of holies
Speaker 8: underneath it, as you call it. You got your two
Speaker 8: bull cane underneath that.
Speaker 9: That's a two ball candy. Okay, you know you you
Speaker 9: have no idea how.
Speaker 8: Strong I am on a vegan dying.
Speaker 9: I want to find out.
Speaker 8: Come on, dude, be best discovery ever. Though, maybe we
Speaker 8: should just watch that right now. Mark Passio's got a band.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you can play his musical copyright strike.
Speaker 8: You can't copyright strike. If you play his music, it's
Speaker 8: not copyrighted.
Speaker 1: But if you play somebody's clip, they can let it
Speaker 1: be known.
Speaker 8: That Jaydre is afraid to play.
Speaker 9: But let it be the Jay.
Speaker 1: Look, I'm aggressive. I'm a Passio, aggressive.
Speaker 8: Male Passio the bomb. I don't know the I don't
Speaker 8: really see any other vegan debates on the horizon. There's
Speaker 8: no legitimate debaters out there in the vegan world. Like
Speaker 8: their best thing is vegan game and ask yourself. They
Speaker 8: think that that's like the cream of the crop.
Speaker 1: So you know, Tristan, really, when I was able to
Speaker 1: google a little bit and I ran a bunch of
Speaker 1: scientific papers and I realized that they're pure reviewed, and
Speaker 1: then I just signed that I had an only fans account.
Speaker 1: It was just sitting there, and so didn't he put
Speaker 1: his junk on only fans? Now?
Speaker 8: He did? He did? I mean that's according to a
Speaker 8: screenshot of Twitter.
Speaker 1: H no, I'm talking about you did it wrongs video.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go look at began gains is vegetables.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I have Fortunately I have not
Speaker 8: seen it yet, but he had not yet, but I
Speaker 8: don't plan on seeing it at all. But yeah, I
Speaker 8: guess he did. He's he's gone next level. He's got
Speaker 8: full social media fentanyl on it. He's up on the
Speaker 8: only fans. Oh man, I just imagine. I can't imagine
Speaker 8: doing that.
Speaker 1: I think that you kind of got to the bottom
Speaker 1: of it when you've met many times the fact that
Speaker 1: a lot of the people who grew up that age
Speaker 1: of the millennial and younger, they have been just raised
Speaker 1: on devices and so everything is on the table, everything
Speaker 1: is normalized basically.
Speaker 8: Yeah, Well, then even the social interactions are just so fake,
Speaker 8: and I mean, imagine, so we pulled that vegan on
Speaker 8: the other day up until the ask yourself to backle
Speaker 8: and then the stupid Weasley games he tried to play.
Speaker 8: When that happened, I would say we were pretty dang
Speaker 8: kind to him, and you know, I was asking him questions,
Speaker 8: trying to get him loosened up. But he's just sitting
Speaker 8: there looking around, looking at his phone. That that's I mean,
Speaker 8: I think he's like twenty two, twenty one years old.
Speaker 8: He's really young. That's that generation man, Like half of
Speaker 8: that generation are just zonked, just zonked, pilled out, nothing
Speaker 8: in their head except vanity pride, and it's just it's.
Speaker 1: Sad man and the never ending quest to become a
Speaker 1: Nissa Leb.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Yeah, Well it was funny. I made fun of him
Speaker 8: because he he had that little faded beard. He had
Speaker 8: this like Jersey shore, you know, like took him three
Speaker 8: hours to trim his beard. I made fun of him,
Speaker 8: but then he he tried, he tried to. I guess
Speaker 8: he interpreted as I was talking about his hairdoo, and
Speaker 8: he was very adamant at pointing out that my lack
Speaker 8: of hair, right so the bald man bad. So I
Speaker 8: just it's so funny to me, how like the arguments
Speaker 8: are basically new. It's just it's just you're baldman bad,
Speaker 8: You're bad, You're a murderer, and that's it. I I
Speaker 8: don't know, I don't know what other vegans are there.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: I had a similar experience this week too with the
Speaker 1: attempt at trying to organize debates with Roman Catholics, Taylor
Speaker 1: Marshall's former co Hounk co Honk. I like co I
Speaker 1: like co Honk better than co host.
Speaker 8: I'm here with my co hunk j co Honk like
Speaker 8: honkler like like a honky.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Tim Gordongu, excuse me, Gordon, not gordong. Tim gordong
Speaker 1: Uh was talking smack and initially wanted to do a
Speaker 1: debate and said, give me four months. I said four
Speaker 1: months to do a debate. I said, dude, I'll debate
Speaker 1: this week. No, I want four months. So, as I
Speaker 1: was pondering, all right, I might do this, then he
Speaker 1: upped the ante and he says, no, it must be
Speaker 1: four months, and then must be in person, and you
Speaker 1: must fly to random Middle America city and if you don't,
Speaker 1: you're scared. So this is dubai.
Speaker 8: We're gonna go a tag hashtag and if you don't
Speaker 8: show up, your scirit.
Speaker 1: So do you see the trick here, because so three
Speaker 1: Roman Catholics now have done this where it's with William Albrecht,
Speaker 1: Trent horn H and then now Timothy Gordong where they
Speaker 1: do this thing where they say, if you don't show
Speaker 1: up to what I've now up the anti to a
Speaker 1: in person debate, you have chickened out and you're scared.
Speaker 1: When initially the discussion was do you want the come
Speaker 1: on a live stream in the next week or two
Speaker 1: to a debate? No, no, no, it has to be
Speaker 1: four months or no oh wait no, now it has
Speaker 1: to be in person at some random Middle America city.
Speaker 1: So what they will do is float the idea, taunt you,
Speaker 1: and then when you don't agree to their ridiculous criteria
Speaker 1: of how oh it needs to be in person. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: these people debate on YouTube streams all the time every day.
Speaker 1: I mean, we've been in a COVID lockdown where these
Speaker 1: people are debating every day on live streams, going on
Speaker 1: live streaming. Oh but they're too busy to do a
Speaker 1: debate unless it's in person four months from now, which
Speaker 1: is all just ludicrous. It's all hot air. And the
Speaker 1: only reason I bring all that up is this is
Speaker 1: exactly what Vegan Logic did, where he knew that we
Speaker 1: weren't going to interact with goofus and then, which is
Speaker 1: why when I called him out when.
Speaker 8: He's saying, oh, and I saw your debate with Vegan
Speaker 8: Games and that other person, and I specifically stopped and
Speaker 8: I said, what's the other person's name? Who's the other person? Yeah,
Speaker 8: I don't givenybody wants to go back and watch it.
Speaker 8: I specifically stopped at them when I said who, and
Speaker 8: he made I made him say his name. He said
Speaker 8: ask yourself, Oh okay, and then he brings them in.
Speaker 8: But it was it was pure, pure games. And as
Speaker 8: soon as as soon as it was over, he was
Speaker 8: already tagging me and trying to posture like he has
Speaker 8: somehow won some battle. It's like, dude, you can still
Speaker 8: come on a debate like there's there was no battle
Speaker 8: won by you. I mean, I guess maybe maybe there
Speaker 8: was no battle lost by you either, depending on who
Speaker 8: you asked. But you can just you can come back on, man.
Speaker 8: So I don't know, I think it's I think he's
Speaker 8: got a little narcissistic wound. I don't think he's ever
Speaker 8: debated anybody. He was really, I guess excited for some reason.
Speaker 8: He didn't bring an argument. It's like, you don't even
Speaker 8: have an argument. And he tried again the thing of oh,
Speaker 8: we prepared, we had a whole plan, did you how
Speaker 8: much did you? And I planned?
Speaker 1: Jay, I didn't planning anything at all, planned nothing except
Speaker 1: except me talk. And I was like, dude, I told her,
Speaker 1: I mean, in twenty years, I don't think I've heard
Speaker 1: a new atheist type of argument. I don't even remember
Speaker 1: the last time I've heard one that was.
Speaker 8: And the only conversation we had was I told you,
Speaker 8: you know what, I'm pretty sure he's gonna try to
Speaker 8: bring ask Yourself. That'd be really lame if he does.
Speaker 8: If he does, we'll just kick Ask Yourself and he
Speaker 8: can stay, or we can just you know, we we'll
Speaker 8: just keep streaming without the guys that they're going to
Speaker 8: play those gay games. And lo and behold, he did
Speaker 8: exactly what we predicted.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I knew he was going to bring Ask Yourself
Speaker 1: because in the little bit of the videos I'd watched
Speaker 1: he was just repeating these kind of really basic level
Speaker 1: misunderstandings of the transcetal argument. He was like, you can't
Speaker 1: use Chenil argument because like you're just assuming the thing
Speaker 1: they're talking about, and so it's not approved. It's just
Speaker 1: asserting it. But do you notice when you listen to
Speaker 1: Big and Logic talk, he's he's a little like he's
Speaker 1: a little bit of another one of these people who
Speaker 1: maybe even seems to like he has autism and that
Speaker 1: he just kind of like he just sat there scrolling
Speaker 1: on the phone like this for like ten minutes.
Speaker 8: Yeah. Yeah, it was very strange.
Speaker 1: And I don't know.
Speaker 8: I mean, if you're gonna come to a debate and
Speaker 8: you got no arguments and you're not prepared to debate
Speaker 8: at all, and you can't even I thought you were
Speaker 8: lifting Vegan logic. I thought you had the points, how
Speaker 8: you had to talking points. You were gonna wreck me,
Speaker 8: You're gonna destroy me. You still you can still have
Speaker 8: a chance, dude, Like you can still come on and
Speaker 8: do it, even though you've been sperging out.
Speaker 1: They don't want to debate. They only want to have
Speaker 1: drama so that they can claim that you've pulled out
Speaker 1: of a debate. Is how many years have I organized
Speaker 1: public debates, debated top Muslims, top atheists, you name it.
Speaker 1: And then they're playing like.
Speaker 8: Yeah, well, and then now he's saying, oh well, I
Speaker 8: demanded debate on a neutral channel, A debate on a
Speaker 8: neutral channel.
Speaker 1: What's your response to that? Primal edge health? Why will
Speaker 1: you not debate him on a neutral channel?
Speaker 8: Why would Why would I write like I do? I do?
Speaker 8: How many streams a week? I've done five streams in
Speaker 8: the last like seven days. All those streams are three
Speaker 8: to four hours. Like three of those five streams I've
Speaker 8: opened up. I've done an open line zoom calls where
Speaker 8: anybody could call in right one vingan called in the
Speaker 8: whole time, one being called in. The rest were all
Speaker 8: friendlies and just people looking for some help. Why would
Speaker 8: I not do it on a so called visual platform?
Speaker 8: Why would Why would I? What do I have to
Speaker 8: gain from going into dating this nobody who's obsessed with
Speaker 8: me acting like a like a weird ex girlfriend in
Speaker 8: eighth grade.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's got three three thousand subs and he's literally
Speaker 1: tagging you like five times a day. It's weird.
Speaker 8: And his argument is now, Oh, I looked at your
Speaker 8: metrics and your channel. Your channel has very bad engagement.
Speaker 8: And if I had these many viewers exactly, I would
Speaker 8: have five billion views if I.
Speaker 10: Had as many of yours as you And your channel
Speaker 10: is not popular, and I'm more popular than you.
Speaker 8: And I looked at the back end, and you're not popular,
Speaker 8: but I'm popular as if as if the numbers have anything.
Speaker 8: You know, half of my audience tells me all the
Speaker 8: time that they get auto unsubscribed by YouTube. A lot
Speaker 8: of people who've been long term viewers and long term
Speaker 8: supporters and super chatters tell me, dude, I've been unsubscribed
Speaker 8: four or five times.
Speaker 1: I never getting because.
Speaker 8: It's like and but they're always revealing what they give
Speaker 8: a shit about. I want a bit popular. I'm more
Speaker 8: popular than you, Like, That's that's what they care about.
Speaker 8: They care about the attention, they care about the fake
Speaker 8: sense of clout, and they care about the fake ego
Speaker 8: game of the online world, which I don't give a
Speaker 8: shit about any about any of that. Like, I'll debate anybody, anyone,
Speaker 8: if you can come on. I'm not going to prep
Speaker 8: for any of your debates, right because the arguments stand
Speaker 8: on their own. So anyways, that's that's kind of I
Speaker 8: guess a good summary of the last week of vegan
Speaker 8: attacks online. Vegans, keep them coming, please.
Speaker 1: Videos our stuff. Tonight we got a nice fat super
Speaker 1: chat from Zach. Will read that here in a minute
Speaker 1: if you want to support the show. Of course, you know,
Speaker 1: stream labs is now the means by which we do
Speaker 1: the super chats, and uh that is the link there.
Speaker 1: And yes to the people in the chat. If you
Speaker 1: remember last year, this month was spook tober A Jason
Speaker 1: Aliso somebody covered quite a few spooky things and we
Speaker 1: had a lot of fun doing the Lost Boys and
Speaker 1: the whole Sexy sax Man. That's a that's gonna be,
Speaker 1: I think, a yearly, routine, yearly ceremony where we relive
Speaker 1: and replay and sing the Sexy sax Man Lost Boys stuff.
Speaker 1: I still believe we're not gonna do that tonight. Yes,
Speaker 1: that goofy song in the chat, But tonight we're gonna
Speaker 1: be talking about to my control classics ones that I've
Speaker 1: been waiting to get to for a long time. And
Speaker 1: there's nobody better to get to with than Tristan the
Speaker 1: Hannibal Lecter of the Carnosphere. Uh, and we're gonna be
Speaker 1: talking about Total Recall and Jacob's Ladder, So I think
Speaker 1: it would be fun to start with Do you want
Speaker 1: to start with the goofy or the serious?
Speaker 8: I'd rather I think I'd rather start with the serious
Speaker 8: than get into the goofy after because I and I've
Speaker 8: most recently watched it. Just watched Jacob's Ladder today and
Speaker 8: it's the first time with that scrip.
Speaker 1: Let me flip the script over to the heart.
Speaker 8: Flipping, we'd be script flipping, and I was. I was
Speaker 8: pretty surprised at how much they put in that that
Speaker 8: Jacob's Lack film. There's a lot revealed there, a lot
Speaker 8: of real stuff. It seems like the director was rather
Speaker 8: close to the material and uh and really cared.
Speaker 1: Well. This is so. I first saw this movie back
Speaker 1: when it came out around well, not when it came out,
Speaker 1: maybe around high school time. And uh, it was one
Speaker 1: of my introductions to m kiltra that and conspiracy theory
Speaker 1: with Mel Gibson. So, by the way, we're going to
Speaker 1: be doing more spooktober scary streams this week, including serial Killers,
Speaker 1: Antichrist movies, Uh, Mike ConTroll more my control movies because
Speaker 1: there's a ton of Minkel. There's like thirty Mike control movies.
Speaker 1: We'll do them all. But oh, one last weird point,
Speaker 1: UH shout out to uh the super fan. We'll call
Speaker 1: him Simon. And so I've been getting lengthy emails from
Speaker 1: from a mega encyclopedic film buff, Simon. I don't know
Speaker 1: who Simon is, but he's sent me some really awesome,
Speaker 1: in depth lists of movies that he uh thinks are
Speaker 1: really poignant in terms of conspiracy stuff, and they're real obscure.
Speaker 1: A lot of these are like seventies movies I've never
Speaker 1: heard of, but uh, he really put in the time
Speaker 1: to make this huge list of recommended movies. So I
Speaker 1: want to give Simon a shout out and let you know, Simon,
Speaker 1: whoever you are. Yes, we will comer, Comer, Coomer, we
Speaker 1: will coomber. We will cover some of those movies. I'm
Speaker 1: busted as I'm a coomber now because I said comer.
Speaker 1: We will cover not Coomer, some of those movies in
Speaker 1: the next several weeks. It's October. But at one last
Speaker 1: weird point about whoever Simon is, I was looking up
Speaker 1: these listed films and they just happened to be a
Speaker 1: famous director's favorite obscure films, quite a few of them.
Speaker 1: So is Simon a secret famous director? I mean it's
Speaker 1: probably not, but I like to entertain in my head
Speaker 1: that I'm getting fed, you know, movie recommendations from the
Speaker 1: top of Hollywood in terms of classic directors. I won't
Speaker 1: say who, but we'll we'll let it simmer as if
Speaker 1: that's the case. Maybe anyway, for sure, So somebody already dead, Yes,
Speaker 1: he's Kuber's not really dead. He's in hiding and he's
Speaker 1: he's going by the name of Simon.
Speaker 8: And he's his consciousness was uploaded into the cloud and
Speaker 8: that's what's contacting. The AI has become so advanced, the
Speaker 8: Kubrick is speaking through it.
Speaker 1: One thing that was neat about this that I do
Speaker 1: want to touch on. I'll let you kick it off
Speaker 1: on Jacob's ladder what you want to mention first. But
Speaker 1: I did not realize until this last view all of
Speaker 1: the literary and book references. So there's all of it.
Speaker 8: Yeah, all of that right.
Speaker 1: The beginnings pop up throughout the movie and they give
Speaker 1: you a big clue into what it's about. But I'll
Speaker 1: let you kick it off here. It's getting too dark
Speaker 1: in here. Look like a creeper in here in this
Speaker 1: dark room. I have to put some lights on.
Speaker 8: Yeah, man, I think Well, you mentioned literary illusions. One
Speaker 8: of the one of the first books that you see
Speaker 8: in it is he's reading He's reading The Stranger, yes, Albert,
Speaker 8: which is one of the most It's very postmodern The Stranger,
Speaker 8: you know, it's kind of an exploration of nihilism and
Speaker 8: postmodern bullshit existentialism and kind of like a tome on,
Speaker 8: well why not just kill your damn self? I mean,
Speaker 8: that's basically the theme of The Stranger is, well, you
Speaker 8: might as well just kill yourself.
Speaker 1: Yes, So it's an artistic.
Speaker 8: Way, of course, because that's super artsy.
Speaker 1: Well, it's an immediate, foreboding kind of image that lets
Speaker 1: us know where the movie is going to go, right,
Speaker 1: So we're already being told from the outset. You know,
Speaker 1: this is about death and suicide. So something's going on
Speaker 1: here with life and death. That's what the movie is about.
Speaker 1: And we don't know if we did he commit suicide?
Speaker 1: Is he dead? It's that it's not really about that yet,
Speaker 1: but it's just kind of giving you the the ominous
Speaker 1: impression that the movie is going to be about death.
Speaker 1: And by the way, I was looking up some of
Speaker 1: Adrian Lynn's other famous films. He's done a couple of
Speaker 1: those kind of crappy erotic dramas like Indecent Proposal, fatal
Speaker 1: Attraction type stuff, which Fail Attraction I think is kind
Speaker 1: of a famous movie. I'm not really into that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff. But he did this version to so Kubrick's Lolita,
Speaker 1: and then he did the Flashdance, which is an odd one,
Speaker 1: and Jacob's Ladder. So not a whole lot of esoteric
Speaker 1: precedent for Adrian Lynn films, but we do have over
Speaker 1: four hundred nerds tonight. Welcome everybody. You can support the
Speaker 1: show with super chests. But so nineteen ninety, this was
Speaker 1: a weird time in movies. We're getting towards the end
Speaker 1: of the eighties and the onset of the action hero, right,
Speaker 1: so this is when action hero movies are really going
Speaker 1: to kick.
Speaker 8: In nineteen ninety and both of these movies were nineteen ninety.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this was a weird year for movies. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's funny to watch Total Recall, by the way, and
Speaker 1: think about that being the big summer blockbuster. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I crack up, Like I think Total Recalls hilarious. Every
Speaker 1: time I watch it.
Speaker 8: I laugh more so funny.
Speaker 1: And to think that this was like the big summer
Speaker 1: blockbuster movie.
Speaker 8: Do you think people were laughing in the theater like.
Speaker 1: Now, No, I think people looked at it like it was,
Speaker 1: you know, an action blockbuster, right, so it was like,
Speaker 1: you know, whoa dude, Arnold kicking butt, you know that
Speaker 1: kind of a thing. Because scene, Yeah.
Speaker 8: I thought it was really interesting. The opening scene, it's
Speaker 8: kind of, uh, you have these these helicopters coming in
Speaker 8: and they're they're carting in. You can't really tell what
Speaker 8: it is that they're carrying. There's something that they're hanging below,
Speaker 8: and it's kind of this visual symbol of the fall
Speaker 8: almost right. I mean you have you have these helicopters
Speaker 8: coming down from the sky and then they're flying over
Speaker 8: this lake or you know, a body of water. You
Speaker 8: can see the reflection, and the reflection is a really
Speaker 8: big Windows are very big motif in this in the film.
Speaker 8: Reflections and windows and which is similar to the Total
Speaker 8: recall a lot of multi dimensional aspects to it. The
Speaker 8: question of whether or not this is a real reality Yeah,
Speaker 8: exactly like that matrix type.
Speaker 1: Yeah, mirrors are mirrors are often associated with the psyche,
Speaker 1: So definitely gonna be relevant in both these movies. And
Speaker 1: I'll so I like the setting as Vietnam because if
Speaker 1: you remember the the Douglas Valentine book about the Phoenix Program,
Speaker 1: we think that, you know, perhaps there's something related to
Speaker 1: Phoenix program here and that will actually come up later.
Speaker 1: Now they don't mention dougas Valentine's book, but they do
Speaker 1: intimate and hint at it being the Phoenix Program, and
Speaker 1: not just that.
Speaker 8: It's a crazy scene. Like the first scene is nuts.
Speaker 8: I mean, there's these soldiers, they're hanging out, they're joking
Speaker 8: with each other, ra can lose jokes, and then all
Speaker 8: of a sudden they're engaged in a battle to get ambushed.
Speaker 8: But there's something else that happens. There seems to be
Speaker 8: some sort of like almost like an electromagnetic weapon type
Speaker 8: you think here, and they all start crying out.
Speaker 1: Later and they go into this kind of like disturbia,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of agitated, almost a possessed type of state,
Speaker 1: and we later find out that there was an experimental
Speaker 1: drug used called the Ladder. So Jacob's Ladder is actually
Speaker 1: a name for this experimental drug that the chemist will
Speaker 1: later say sends you straight down the ladder to the
Speaker 1: bottom pits of hell, namely the deepest parts of the psyche,
Speaker 1: where the most primal drives are rape, just pure rage
Speaker 1: and sort of demonic fervor. And that's why we would say, Okay,
Speaker 1: so this does fit into the Phoenix program, because the
Speaker 1: whole purpose of the Phoenix program, the real thing, was
Speaker 1: to create literal, sociopathic psycho serial killers, and they use
Speaker 1: Vietnam as this test bed to terrorize Via Kong. And
Speaker 1: then this is dreamt up by the Cia William Colby,
Speaker 1: I think, in the Valentine book. And then the you know,
Speaker 1: Dave mcgallan's thesis is that some of these guys may
Speaker 1: have come back to the US, and that's where we
Speaker 1: get some of these serial killers, is that they were
Speaker 1: perhaps involved in these kinds of programs anyway. But yeah,
Speaker 1: so we're watching Tim Robbins kind of meander about New
Speaker 1: York and go about his day and he's having these flashbacks, right,
Speaker 1: so we know that it's to do with drugs, and
Speaker 1: like Tristan said, he flashes back to this what we
Speaker 1: think is a traumatic experience that maybe in the past
Speaker 1: when he's you know, in Vietnam, and now it's you know,
Speaker 1: early mid eighties or sometime. It looks kind of eighties.
Speaker 1: I don't I guess it's supposed to be nineteen ninety,
Speaker 1: but they don't really sell say the date. It's just
Speaker 1: after his Vietnam period. But the first thing he sees
Speaker 1: after you see the Camu book is he looks on
Speaker 1: the wall and the subway and he's stuck in the
Speaker 1: Simpty subway and he tries to walk up a different
Speaker 1: exit and it's boarded up. He can't get out, so
Speaker 1: he's stuck in the underworld. And he looks over at
Speaker 1: this billboard and it says welcome to Hell, or you're
Speaker 1: in Hell, or New York as Hell.
Speaker 8: It's just as hell. He in something about drugs after
Speaker 8: a fire, and we'll see if I can find the
Speaker 8: hell here it is. I can't try hell. That's what
Speaker 8: life can be doing drugs. But it doesn't have to
Speaker 8: be that way. Help is available day or night.
Speaker 1: Drug So the drug reference makes it even more relevant
Speaker 1: because he's struggling with these these flashbacks. Because of this,
Speaker 1: we think this terrible you know, component, and then he
Speaker 1: sees these hobo demons. He sees a hobo demon with
Speaker 1: a tail. By the way, hobo demons comes up a lot,
Speaker 1: and you know, John Carpenter, David Lynch.
Speaker 8: Yeah, we just talking about that. One of the other stream.
Speaker 1: He sees the train passengers as demons, remember this. He
Speaker 1: looks and he sees like demons and demonic faces in
Speaker 1: the in the train car that goes and they.
Speaker 8: Just kind of stare at him, right, they just kind
Speaker 8: of everything seems to be glaring at him and reflecting
Speaker 8: back in him. But then he keeps, he keeps switching up.
Speaker 8: He's he's super disorient He can't tell whether he's in
Speaker 8: a dream or reality, can't tell whether he's living in
Speaker 8: a flashback or living in the present time. And he's
Speaker 8: lost in time exactly.
Speaker 1: He's starting to dissociate and lose track of when.
Speaker 8: And where he is right and a lot of the
Speaker 8: dissociation is happening surrounding the relationship that he has with
Speaker 8: this woman, Jezebel, her jez But they have this interesting
Speaker 8: conversation about these biblical names. What do you think about
Speaker 8: that scene?
Speaker 1: Well, the movie is gonna be full of these biblical references.
Speaker 1: So I'm glad you mentioned that, because you know his
Speaker 1: name is Jacob, she's Jezebel. He makes a joke about
Speaker 1: Jezebel and kind of that she appears to be the
Speaker 1: evil woman who broke up or is somehow involved in
Speaker 1: this marriage split, right, because he's got an ex wife
Speaker 1: that we find out about. And then Tim Robbins has
Speaker 1: this picture of who Macaulay Culkin ironically, and he's lost
Speaker 1: his son, right, so we know he's been traumatized by
Speaker 1: both Vietnam and the loss of his on. So we
Speaker 1: know we're dealing with a guy who's going to damage
Speaker 1: traumatized psyche.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: And then we find out that this one, this woman
Speaker 1: that's in his life, this girlfriend is you know, intentionally
Speaker 1: referred to as Jezebel, as this evil figure, so she's
Speaker 1: got something to do with what's going on here. And
Speaker 1: he starts having these kind of weird freakouts that she's
Speaker 1: a demon or demonic, and it's almost like the names
Speaker 1: in the movie are going to start giving you clues
Speaker 1: to good guys bad guys.
Speaker 8: Yeah, there's even a scene where they're at that party
Speaker 8: and he's drinking and he seems to go into a
Speaker 8: kind of a flashback that might have been triggered by
Speaker 8: the lights. So there's the strobing lights.
Speaker 1: And the strobing that that's what triggered him, you know, Yeah, so.
Speaker 8: The lights triggered him. So this this idea of multiple
Speaker 8: personality disorder, associated identity disorder, what do you want, whatever
Speaker 8: you want to call it, that was studied intensely during
Speaker 8: the m KL TRA days. You know, you and Cameron
Speaker 8: uh and his psychic driving experiments, monarch Inca.
Speaker 1: Search and Cay Delta. Yeah, they're all dealing without you.
Speaker 8: Yeah, So and then he sees these demons copulating kind
Speaker 8: of like a similar to My Fear and Loathing in
Speaker 8: Las Vegas or Hunter Thompson's visions of you know, just
Speaker 8: lizards humping each other's his like tails going around his
Speaker 8: girlfriend's legs and stuff. And it's kind of a raunchy
Speaker 8: demonic sex scene there. And he's just he's haunted by this,
Speaker 8: and he keeps switching back and forth between his old
Speaker 8: family but he was that he had during the Vietnam
Speaker 8: War or before he went to Vietnam, and then this
Speaker 8: new girlfriend. But he's he's so fractured and confused, and
Speaker 8: it seems like he's searching for something when he's trying
Speaker 8: to figure out what's going on, but he's just lost
Speaker 8: in it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you hit it right there. So he's going to
Speaker 1: be on a journey, a soul journey. This is not
Speaker 1: going to be a journey that is temporal from beginning
Speaker 1: to end. It's a cyclical, archetypal journey of the soul
Speaker 1: through different experiences that are intended to cure and purge him.
Speaker 1: So we'll get to that here in a little bit.
Speaker 1: But the first what you mentioned is he sees an incubus.
Speaker 1: He sees which is a demon that sleeps with a woman,
Speaker 1: essentially controlling copulating with his girlfriend, Jezebel, And this is
Speaker 1: where he starts to think something's off, something is wrong.
Speaker 1: There are apparently demonic forces in his life that are
Speaker 1: causing and triggering and relating to these traumas. So he's
Speaker 1: seemingly beginning then to start question things, questioning spiritual things.
Speaker 1: And this is where we start noticing more interesting books
Speaker 1: popping up. The really weirdest of all, which I never
Speaker 1: noticed until this last viewing, was he has right by
Speaker 1: his bed the stack of books, one of which is
Speaker 1: a Crollian type of a magical text relating to planetary
Speaker 1: ritual magic. And it's called the Magical Philosophy Sword and Serpent,
Speaker 1: And this is a book about Kabbalistic philosophy relating to
Speaker 1: planets and the psyche and ritual magic. So oddly enough
Speaker 1: he's got that book. Right next to it is a
Speaker 1: book called The Savage God on a study of suicide
Speaker 1: in another book called Social Evolution. So right away we're
Speaker 1: getting a clue that this movie is going to be
Speaker 1: about the esoteric journey of the soul after death. This
Speaker 1: is very common in Gnostic traditions. And as I mentioned
Speaker 1: to you many times, Tristan, and actually this movie made
Speaker 1: me buy the book. I've just ordered Timothy Leary's commentary
Speaker 1: on the Tibetan Book of the Dead, which is where
Speaker 1: he describes the LSD trip as the Tibetan journey of
Speaker 1: the soul. It's the same experience, he thinks, and that's
Speaker 1: the key.
Speaker 8: To this movie now, in this film actually has a
Speaker 8: lot of similarities. I mean, at least journey has similarities
Speaker 8: to the film Enter the Void. Yeah, but that very
Speaker 8: hard to watch. I don't know if i'd recommend it.
Speaker 8: It's the cinematography is pretty crazy on that film. The
Speaker 8: lighting is great. The guy the guy who did the
Speaker 8: cinematography is the guy who did Spring Breakers. So it's
Speaker 8: got that like that really candy style, pastel style, bright
Speaker 8: neon stuff. I think I would recommend it, but it's
Speaker 8: very difficult to watch. It is disturbing as heck Entwer
Speaker 8: the Void, but it's a similar journey that he goes on,
Speaker 8: except this seems to be more kind of like Masonic
Speaker 8: and Catholic rather than Eastern. Right, it seems to be
Speaker 8: more the idea of purgatory is being excorrected.
Speaker 1: And now he will even come up because yeah, he
Speaker 1: as he's reading through all these texts trying to figure
Speaker 1: out what's going on, he actually reads Dante's Pergoccio correct.
Speaker 8: And then there's that other book he's got about witchcraft
Speaker 8: sitting on the on the table as well, right, it's
Speaker 8: like the Witches.
Speaker 1: Oh yes he does, he has a h and I'll
Speaker 1: look that book up too, And that is a book
Speaker 1: dealing with to husband and wife wickan couple called the
Speaker 1: Witch's Bible, The Sabots of Rights, sabots and rights of birth,
Speaker 1: death and marriage. And then he's got a book on demonology,
Speaker 1: and then he's got a book called Roots of Evil,
Speaker 1: and then he's reading through Pregassio. So all those books
Speaker 1: are clues telling us what it's going on in this film.
Speaker 8: And the funny now that this film actually does have
Speaker 8: similarities to spring Breakers as well, which is another one
Speaker 8: we covered. I think we did that on my channel.
Speaker 8: This like the weird, the strange, disjointed narrative, the dreamscape
Speaker 8: type narrative. I think that spring Breakers actually does have
Speaker 8: a lot of similarities to this as well, especially if
Speaker 8: you get to the end of spring Breakers and you
Speaker 8: realize what was really happening, what these little girls really are.
Speaker 8: They're literal demons in the film. Yes, so yeah, I
Speaker 8: didn't even think of that. Somebody mentioned spring Breakers in there,
Speaker 8: spraying break Forever.
Speaker 1: The basically riff raff character.
Speaker 8: Look at all my ship. I got scar Face on repeat,
Speaker 8: I got, I got, I got.
Speaker 1: If you guys like the streams that Tristan and I do,
Speaker 1: be sure to go back and watch our backlog. We've
Speaker 1: done like ten shows now, so we've got.
Speaker 8: Have to start our own. Like just Jay Interest in
Speaker 8: stream channel, we do. Half our episodes are with each other.
Speaker 8: Maybe maybe we should do a weekly thing like regular.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I get a lot of great feedback from me
Speaker 1: and you, mainly me, but it's a little bit of you.
Speaker 1: But that's okay.
Speaker 8: I get mostly feedback about me. People say, well, then
Speaker 8: I even.
Speaker 1: Except that it's not even because I'm better, But that's fine. Gabriel,
Speaker 1: let's talk about Gabriel, because Gabriel is his chiropractor who
Speaker 1: fixes his things that are out of aligne now, alignment.
Speaker 1: This is chakra type stuff, right, So so when he's
Speaker 1: aligning Tim Robbinson's chakra, it's like opening up these trigger points,
Speaker 1: these trigger moments and the fixing of the spine. I mean,
Speaker 1: it has that Eastern chakra reference, but it also has
Speaker 1: a reference to Gabriel being this kind of guardian angel figure.
Speaker 8: He's basically he says, if anybody told you you're you're
Speaker 8: like an angel, like an angel, and he says to him, yes,
Speaker 8: all the time, you tell me that all the time,
Speaker 8: something like that.
Speaker 1: So guardian Angel appears to him in the form of yeah,
Speaker 1: this kind of character that that was a guy that
Speaker 1: he you know, confided in, looked up to a healing
Speaker 1: agent in his life. His chiropractor.
Speaker 8: But then he also gets triggered into a flashback when
Speaker 8: he when he cracks his neck throws him into another spiral.
Speaker 1: And the reason for that is that what we later
Speaker 1: find out is that Gabriel is telling him that, like,
Speaker 1: I need to fix and purge these areas of your life,
Speaker 1: because he says, you're attached and if you have these
Speaker 1: attachments when you die, it's going to torment you. And
Speaker 1: so you need to be purged of these attachments so
Speaker 1: that you can move on and not be tormented. And
Speaker 1: so he says this really interesting phrase that the the
Speaker 1: demons that are tormenting you are actually for your good
Speaker 1: because they're doing this in the long run to purge
Speaker 1: you from these attachments. And of course we find out
Speaker 1: that his attachment is well, he has many attachments, but
Speaker 1: the main one is that he won't let go of
Speaker 1: the death of his son.
Speaker 8: Well, he says, it's kind of a relativistic philosophy that
Speaker 8: he that he portrays too of almost like, oh, everything
Speaker 8: is one kind of thing of you. It's just what
Speaker 8: did he say? I think he says, it's all on
Speaker 8: how you look at it, right, It's kind of like
Speaker 8: it's all just like how you look at it. It
Speaker 8: could be angels, it could be demons. It's all just
Speaker 8: a matter of perspective.
Speaker 1: Man, that's true. Unfortunately, the film does kind of air
Speaker 1: and fall over into the side of the far Eastern
Speaker 1: version of things. But I would recommend for those that
Speaker 1: are interested just to kind of tie in the Orthodox
Speaker 1: element to it, is that if you read Father seffrom
Speaker 1: Rose the book The Soul after Death, he will actually
Speaker 1: talk about there are some similarities with the Tibetan Book
Speaker 1: of the Dead and the Orthodox conception of what happens
Speaker 1: after death, and so he will cover this kind of
Speaker 1: how we conceive of that there is a journey of
Speaker 1: the soul after death and what's called the toll houses
Speaker 1: and this kind of stuff. So in a way you
Speaker 1: could understand this as a toll house film. I mean, obviously,
Speaker 1: again it's kind of paganized and it's not exactly our view.
Speaker 1: But the rough idea here is correct that there were
Speaker 1: some purgations that he needed to undergo in his afterlife experience.
Speaker 8: And his son, I don't think you mentioned this. The
Speaker 8: son is Macaulay.
Speaker 1: Culkin, that is weird, who even claims to have undergone
Speaker 1: like mind control. I mean, I'm not saying his clums
Speaker 1: are true.
Speaker 8: I don't know, but did he say that? I mean
Speaker 8: I saw, yeah, I mean, may have.
Speaker 1: Just been looking for attention. I don't know, but I
Speaker 1: think he's had.
Speaker 8: Holy Culchan got real weird the last couple of years.
Speaker 8: I don't know, if you've seen his his website, podcast
Speaker 8: and stuff. Yeah, yeah, lots of very very strange symbolism there.
Speaker 8: He was on Joe Rogan. It was odd to the least.
Speaker 8: Remember that he's been through some tough times, man. But yeah,
Speaker 8: I don't know. It's just something about McAuley culchan that
Speaker 8: is very sad, right seeing him as a little boy,
Speaker 8: it's it's really sad, like he just he looks to
Speaker 8: me like somebody who's dealing with a lot of pain
Speaker 8: at that young age. I think he might be five
Speaker 8: or six years old in the film here. Yeah, just
Speaker 8: looks like a really abuse little child.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 8: And I can't I don't know. I got a son
Speaker 8: who's four years old right now. So it's hard to
Speaker 8: see that these little kids in Hollywood getting passed around
Speaker 8: in these films and stuff and hanging out with these creepers,
Speaker 8: and who knows what's going on on these sets. But
Speaker 8: especially when you have these monster films and ship like that,
Speaker 8: where there you have kids doing scenes that they're acting
Speaker 8: out and ritually involved in scenes that are are things
Speaker 8: that they should never be exposed to. And these actors,
Speaker 8: as young children child actors, are being exposed to sexuality,
Speaker 8: They're being exposed to hyper violence. It's even like these
Speaker 8: crazy animatronic monsters in the nineties and eighties films. These
Speaker 8: little kids are being traumatized on these sets. And yeah,
Speaker 8: I think I think that's something a lot of people
Speaker 8: don't think about when you watch these children in these films.
Speaker 1: I wondered about that too, Like what if I mean,
Speaker 1: we know that there's instances where films, film studios, production
Speaker 1: houses have been used as fronts, cover operations, cutouts, and
Speaker 1: then conceivably also for trafficking drug I mean, well they
Speaker 1: have been for good cover for trafficking drugs and then
Speaker 1: perhaps other things as well, Like you're mentioning, that's definitely bizarre.
Speaker 4: Parents.
Speaker 8: No parents in southern California know what they're doing when
Speaker 8: they bring their kid to Hollywood.
Speaker 1: I think that's a good point. Yeah, And some of
Speaker 1: those documentaries.
Speaker 8: About an empire. And I didn't grow up in La
Speaker 8: but San Diego on an inland empire. There's still, you know,
Speaker 8: kids who feed into that system and it's a it's
Speaker 8: a strange world. And the parents are the ones who
Speaker 8: are complicit.
Speaker 1: They're complicit. There's a one of those documentaries, the one
Speaker 1: that was about Hollywood that came out two years ago.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm talking about, THEO wanted from the
Speaker 1: Hollywood stuff that they suppressed. It came out two years ago.
Speaker 1: So so Spotlight is and that the one about Recallolic Church,
Speaker 1: and then there's the one about Oh yeah yeah. But
Speaker 1: in that one they raised that question that you're making
Speaker 1: about how it would appear that the parents are complicit
Speaker 1: as well. Absolutely, there's somebody in.
Speaker 8: The Iris's dad. That's a weird situation, man, Philly Ray Cyrus,
Speaker 8: And I mean, I don't know. Maybe he was just
Speaker 8: a country bumpkin and he didn't know what his daughter
Speaker 8: was getting into. Did you watch the did you watch
Speaker 8: the Miley Cyrus Joe Rogan conversation.
Speaker 1: I saw about ten or twenty minutes of yeah, where
Speaker 1: she was talking about the diet stuff. I watched that
Speaker 1: whole clip.
Speaker 8: Yeah, Okay, yeah, there's the I don't know, it's an
Speaker 8: interesting glimpse into you know, a Hollywood child actor.
Speaker 1: And I watched you cover it as well.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, it's just her voice, man, the chick's voice.
Speaker 1: Guys in the chat, what's that documentary a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago on Hollywood.
Speaker 8: And Creepers, Open Secret? There's open that's it?
Speaker 1: Thank you? So yeah, checked that one out, but.
Speaker 8: So in a few scenes. But it is very It's
Speaker 8: striking just seeing his face, little bags under his eyes,
Speaker 8: a pale, blondhaired boys. Just I don't know, it just
Speaker 8: looks like he's about to cry. It looked it didn't
Speaker 8: seem like exactly.
Speaker 1: The the movie. One reason for the similarity to the
Speaker 1: LSD trip is could be argued.
Speaker 8: That this, Yeah, Rick Strassman tried to claim that and
Speaker 8: was never able to prove it. It's a conjectured was
Speaker 8: never able to prove that. But we do know that
Speaker 8: the body makes d MT, but we don't know how
Speaker 8: it metabolizes it. We don't know much about it, and
Speaker 8: they postulated that it was the pineal gland that was
Speaker 8: producing it. They never proved it, and the book was
Speaker 8: written by maybe we should do an episode on this
Speaker 8: but the book by Rick Strassman DMT, the Spirit Molecule.
Speaker 8: If you look at the inside jacket cover, it was
Speaker 8: the research was sponsored by a little known organization that
Speaker 8: maybe some of you have heard of, called the Scottish Rite.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh no, I didn't know that. Wow, okay they
Speaker 1: wanted to do. Let's do. I'll tell you what I'm
Speaker 1: going to do. I'm gonna get that. I got that
Speaker 1: Tim Larry book coming on, the Tibetan Book of the
Speaker 1: Dead and LSD, and then I'll read that and then
Speaker 1: we'll cover that Spirit Molecule thing.
Speaker 8: Sweet man. I'll try to get a copy of that
Speaker 8: book too. I'll see if I can't find a PDF
Speaker 8: of it. If anybody out there has a pdf of
Speaker 8: I'm sure it's online, I'll be able to find it. Right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's famous book.
Speaker 8: But we should do that book. And what's another psychonaut sir?
Speaker 1: Another sucking book? Well, I have not actually read any
Speaker 1: Tim Learry, so I mean, other than the essay and
Speaker 1: the couple of books that I've got a couple.
Speaker 8: Of Tim Leary, we could read that book and then
Speaker 8: we can look at a few video clips or something too,
Speaker 8: or like, oh, I.
Speaker 1: Know what we need to do, Dude, I know that
Speaker 1: the Psycho not Book. Do either of Robert Anton Wilson's
Speaker 1: books Lu super Rising or that other one.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I've read that he's got pictures in his books too,
Speaker 8: so my low IQ can read them. I'll be able
Speaker 8: to read them.
Speaker 1: Maybe we can find a picture book version of Just
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Speaker 8: Blame the Algo people just don't like my ship. Come on, no,
Speaker 8: I know that there's I know that there's like at
Speaker 8: least a couple of billion people watching my streams. I
Speaker 8: know the numbers are big. They're trying to suppress. There's
Speaker 8: pretty much half the population of the world too. He's
Speaker 8: under them. The trimalge Health screams to talk about these
Speaker 8: degenerate things we see spreading thular culture.
Speaker 1: The one thing about here's the thing I didn't understand
Speaker 1: about the movie. Maybe you could enlighten me on this one.
Speaker 1: So he meets up with that guy with the creepy,
Speaker 1: chunky dude. He's like, hey, remember me, I'm Paul your
Speaker 1: you know company buddy war buddy guy. By the way,
Speaker 1: I'm going to hell. The demons are after me. So
Speaker 1: he's like, come meet me at a bar. I'm going
Speaker 1: to Hell. And then we start to think, Okay, maybe
Speaker 1: Jacob is on his dissent. You know, he's kind of
Speaker 1: going deeper and deeper into hades and that the dude
Speaker 1: that he meets up with is like, Hey, I've been
Speaker 1: looking into Christianity, but it doesn't seem to help me.
Speaker 1: You know, I've got this necklace and I've got a bible,
Speaker 1: but it's not helping me. And then he walks outside
Speaker 1: and his car blows up. I don't understand. And then
Speaker 1: you know Jacob is trigger. He sees a quarter. He
Speaker 1: tries to pick a quarter and that's what keeps him
Speaker 1: from getting in the car. The quarter flies away and
Speaker 1: the car blows up. I still don't understand this scene.
Speaker 8: I think it has something to do with the nonlinear
Speaker 8: thing that remember they talked about there was a character
Speaker 8: that was mentioned earlier in the film who died because
Speaker 8: his car exploded. I remember this. I think it was
Speaker 8: within the first twenty minutes. And he asked him about character.
Speaker 8: There's a character.
Speaker 1: Oh, so they're killing people that are associated with the
Speaker 1: company because they might talk about in Keld.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm not sure if it was one of his
Speaker 8: buddies or if it was a doctor. I think that No,
Speaker 8: it's his doctor, right, wasn't in his doctor? Like he
Speaker 8: went in and tried to find his doctor, and they said,
Speaker 8: the guy tells me he's dead, you know, he's dead man,
Speaker 8: And he's like, what happened is his car exploding? And
Speaker 8: he's like what And he tries to go see the doctor.
Speaker 8: And the nurse pulls off her hat and there's this
Speaker 8: big like growth thing on the back of her head. Yeah,
Speaker 8: and it looks like and then the doctor comes out.
Speaker 8: He's like, what are you doing here? Hey, the doctor's
Speaker 8: not here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's angelot right. So she's a demon right or
Speaker 1: or she.
Speaker 8: Was, you know, had some sort of mk ultra mind
Speaker 8: chip it or or both.
Speaker 1: I think it's supposed to be a horn. So he's
Speaker 1: seeing people with horns and tails.
Speaker 8: And I thought it was a like a scar, like
Speaker 8: a weird looked like a cancerous growth like this tumor
Speaker 8: coming at her. Don't but I think it had something
Speaker 8: to do with that, Like maybe it was a nonlinear
Speaker 8: h representation of what happened there. And he was seeing
Speaker 8: the doctor get blown up.
Speaker 1: I see. And so then he then he starts thinking that.
Speaker 1: He starts getting more paranoid because his buddies who are
Speaker 1: going to sue the government for mk ultra abuse, and
Speaker 1: they go to George. George Costanza is going to be
Speaker 1: his lawyer, and he's like, you don't have a case.
Speaker 1: You don't have you know, you don't got nothing, and
Speaker 1: so he freaks out and then all of his buddies.
Speaker 1: You know, they basically disown him and they don't have
Speaker 1: anything to do with him. So now he's getting super
Speaker 1: paranoid and he thinks, h you know, they're going to
Speaker 1: kill me. And the lawyer says, I looked into you.
Speaker 1: You were discharged for psychological issues after wargames in Thailand.
Speaker 1: And he's like, no, that's a cover story. That's not
Speaker 1: what happened to me. We were experimented on in Vietnam.
Speaker 8: Yep, I would say what I think. One of my
Speaker 8: favorite scenes is the revelation of what happened, like when
Speaker 8: he's speaking to his friend, his old war buddy, the
Speaker 8: hippie guy, and he starts to tell him his story
Speaker 8: about how he was arrested for producing LSD. He went
Speaker 8: to Rikers Island. Government approached him and told him, if
Speaker 8: you go to Vietnam and you work for us, we'll
Speaker 8: commute your sentence or we'll basically you won't have to
Speaker 8: serve any time. We just need you to come and
Speaker 8: work with us and do some of your chemistry. So
Speaker 8: he went, and what happened was, he says, he was
Speaker 8: involved in experiments trying to find the absolute worst, most
Speaker 8: powerful psychotomimetic drugs that will break the psyche of the
Speaker 8: user and put them in a state as you mentioned,
Speaker 8: of absolute primal terror and fear, and that was the
Speaker 8: latter was mentioned at that point. But this was I
Speaker 8: mean full on kind of MK Ultra motif here when
Speaker 8: he talks about this, especially the you know, the compartmentalization
Speaker 8: of it, the getting compromised people, right, the using using
Speaker 8: compromised criminals as intelligence assets. All of these tie in
Speaker 8: and these are very important as far as espionage geopolitics
Speaker 8: goes with blackmail and keeping people quiet, right, and you
Speaker 8: want people who are compromised to be working under you
Speaker 8: if you're doing experimentation like they were doing and that
Speaker 8: they mentioned in this film. And yeah, so it was
Speaker 8: basically this guy got got recruited to be an MK
Speaker 8: ultra doctor and experiment on soldiers in Vietnam using her drugs.
Speaker 1: And then we find out that this drug BZ, this
Speaker 1: is an actual thing that was tested on the soldiers.
Speaker 1: So the film is referencing a psycho psychoto mimetic chemical
Speaker 1: weapon known as b Z, which is a psychoactive agent
Speaker 1: that's supposed to cause this descent into the primal you know,
Speaker 1: regions of the psyche or whatever. So now we get
Speaker 1: the explanation of what the ladder is. And if you
Speaker 1: don't know, of course, this is from Genesis when Jacob
Speaker 1: is wrestling with the Angel of the Lord the Logos,
Speaker 1: and he well, right before he wrestles, he sees this angel,
Speaker 1: and he sees the ladder descending and ascending. He sees
Speaker 1: angels descending and descending on this ladder. And then if
Speaker 1: you read John one, Jesus says that I'm the latter
Speaker 1: that was me that was wrestling with Jacob. And so
Speaker 1: it's this means by which one goes from heaven to Earth.
Speaker 1: Here it's kind of inverted, and it's the ladder that
Speaker 1: will take you the other way down to Hades. If
Speaker 1: you've seen the icon of Saint John Clemichus famous Orthodox icon,
Speaker 1: you'll notice it's the ladder that's got people climbing the ladder,
Speaker 1: and then the demons are trying to pull people off
Speaker 1: of the ladder. So again it does touch on kind
Speaker 1: of Orthodox thought and imagery here. But I'm glad Tristan
Speaker 1: mentioned the mk lt stuff because of course this is
Speaker 1: even though the film is not ultimately about Mkultra, it
Speaker 1: is dealing with that and exposing that to a degree,
Speaker 1: and particularly the probably the Phoenix program because we find
Speaker 1: out that they dosed the soldier's food and then the
Speaker 1: soldiers ended up going ape and basically cannibalized and went
Speaker 1: nuts on each other. So they were going crazy. They
Speaker 1: went and they just went into total like you know,
Speaker 1: possessed mode, and that that Jewish hippie chemist guy, it's
Speaker 1: pretty funny. He was cracking me up. He was like, like,
Speaker 1: uh if if Seinfeld was a psycho not, It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, we we we did what we could. You know,
Speaker 1: we did what we came. What was I supposed to do?
Speaker 1: You know, they they got me, you know, what are
Speaker 1: they supposed to do? It's like Woody Allen mixed with uh,
Speaker 1: I don't know, like a young, less weird looking wood
Speaker 1: and then he yeah. So then they're stuck. Then we think, well,
Speaker 1: is he stuck in hell? Because he goes through is
Speaker 1: this where he has like his worst That was the
Speaker 1: creepiest part of the movie is do you remember when
Speaker 1: he was in like the deepest part of hell and
Speaker 1: he's like on the the operating table.
Speaker 8: And that creepy doctor is like and his girlfriend's there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, friend is the doctor of the torture woman. He's like,
Speaker 1: give me a.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that was that was a very That was a
Speaker 8: pretty disturbing scene.
Speaker 10: Man.
Speaker 8: That's one of the scenes when he's walking through the hospital,
Speaker 8: when they're wheeling him through the hospital. The cinematogra cinematography
Speaker 8: is really good. There's no like, I don't know, I
Speaker 8: like these old films better, even total recall.
Speaker 1: Man like yea, even Goofy nineties movies are better than
Speaker 1: the ones to Die there's.
Speaker 8: Better, Like, the visual effects are better in Goofy nineties movies.
Speaker 8: John Carpenter's visual effects are better than stupid Avatar and
Speaker 8: all this gay stuff with the I'm not a big
Speaker 8: fan of the CGI that they've got lately.
Speaker 1: No Illinois. But so before we finish with this, one
Speaker 1: last point I wanted to make with Jacob's letter and
Speaker 1: to ask you is so, Eventually, as you can imagine,
Speaker 1: he does let loose his attachment to his dead son.
Speaker 1: He overcomes all that, and then he kind of has
Speaker 1: this experience of going home. He leaves the weird girlfriend
Speaker 1: Jezebel woman, goes back presumably to what he thinks his home,
Speaker 1: and this is really Then the staircase, which represents the
Speaker 1: ladder to heaven. So he's ascended from the ladder in
Speaker 1: the pits of hell, and now he's going back up
Speaker 1: the ladder to heaven and he's he's basically saved. And
Speaker 1: then we find out your last scene that all of
Speaker 1: the movie was like the point of his death, so
Speaker 1: his whole life and even perhaps had he made bad decisions,
Speaker 1: Like he's even living out kind of what had happened,
Speaker 1: bad decisions that he made, re experiencing them, and it's
Speaker 1: the soul being then purified to move on to the
Speaker 1: next state.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I think the I don't know's it's not
Speaker 8: like it's an uplifting film when you when you hear you,
Speaker 8: when you hear you say it, it's kind of like,
Speaker 8: oh that's kind of nice. Doesn't feel like that when
Speaker 8: you watch it.
Speaker 1: It's no, it's a very yeah, disturbedil it's a disturbing.
Speaker 8: Film, disturbing and bleak and dark film. And I mean,
Speaker 8: what do you expect from Hollywood?
Speaker 7: Right?
Speaker 8: It's a There are some aspects of it that are redeeming.
Speaker 8: The acting is really good.
Speaker 1: It's a.
Speaker 8: I wouldn't watch it.
Speaker 1: I mean, setting aside the moral critiques of Hollywood. I
Speaker 1: think it's a really well done movie.
Speaker 8: It's I think it's great it would you watch it again?
Speaker 1: I've watched it like ten times since it came out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's one of always had just because I thought it
Speaker 1: was a relevant movie. But it's not like I don't
Speaker 1: like it's hard to watch. In any movie, that's hard
Speaker 1: to watch even if I like it, like inl An Empire,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna watch it a lot, but maybe every
Speaker 1: four or five it's one of those movies, and maybe
Speaker 1: every four or five years I'll go back to it,
Speaker 1: but not a lot. You want to move on to
Speaker 1: total recall. By the way, it's worth noting that Jacob's
Speaker 1: Ladder was a critical success but not a monetary success,
Speaker 1: So the movie was a little probably too dark and
Speaker 1: weird for mass audience, as it broke even at the
Speaker 1: box office, but it did get a lot of critical appraisal.
Speaker 8: I enjoyed it. I don't think I would watch it
Speaker 8: too many more times. There's just there's so many films
Speaker 8: out there to watch it. I think i'd give it
Speaker 8: two doses of BZ out of three doses of BZ.
Speaker 1: I'm going to give it four Joe Rogan DMT hit.
Speaker 8: Out of five nice, so slightly higher than I rated it.
Speaker 1: A little higher. I do think it's good. I give
Speaker 1: it like a seven out of ten. But that's to
Speaker 1: translate that into normy speak for those of you that
Speaker 1: aren't enlightened. Four DMT hits is equivalent to seven out
Speaker 1: of ten. But you got to be kind of like
Speaker 1: deep and philosophical.
Speaker 8: To get that, which you have to have transcended your ego.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which I don't know if you know about that yet,
Speaker 1: But no, they don't.
Speaker 8: They don't. They're just they're just, you know, they're down there.
Speaker 8: We're are our egos really tiny? They have really big ones.
Speaker 1: So once again, as you said, nineteen ninety and let's
Speaker 1: see if this was as big of a blockbuster as
Speaker 1: I remembered or thought.
Speaker 8: What was the budget on it? Because it actually it was.
Speaker 1: This was a huge summer blockbuster. It costs fifty to
Speaker 1: sixty million and made two hundred and sixty three million,
Speaker 1: so in nineteen ninety money, that was a blockbuster for sure.
Speaker 8: So we got Arnold. I love your your cover image.
Speaker 8: You picked one of the best moments in the film there.
Speaker 1: I love that I've always laughed at that. This is
Speaker 1: p K D. So we know we're getting an interesting, gnostic, bizarre,
Speaker 1: you know, esoteric tale with old p K D.
Speaker 8: Here.
Speaker 1: He never fails to deliver in that department, would you agree? Man?
Speaker 8: Phil K. Dick. He's one of my favorite authors of
Speaker 8: the seventy and one of my favorite sci fi authors.
Speaker 8: I quite enjoy his books. He's not the most stylish writer.
Speaker 8: He does decent dialogue and he builds his character as well,
Speaker 8: but he does world building and idea building very well.
Speaker 1: Can I get you to take over for a minute.
Speaker 1: I have to go empty my Philip K if you
Speaker 1: know what I mean.
Speaker 8: Go drop a phil k A p k D in
Speaker 8: the toilet right now.
Speaker 1: No, just the liquid version there. I got to empty
Speaker 1: the pk D.
Speaker 8: Drop a PKD. All right. So Philip K. Dick, Philip K. Dick.
Speaker 8: He's a fascinating character. When you look at the biography
Speaker 8: of Philip K. Dick, he is somebody who was hanging
Speaker 8: out with a lot of these Silicon Valley elite types
Speaker 8: in the nineteen sixties and seventies in California, and he
Speaker 8: was rightfully really freaked out by what he saw, by
Speaker 8: what he learned Philip K. Dick had a fascinating conception
Speaker 8: of reality and a very tragic conception of reality. A
Speaker 8: lot of his books are about the loss of identity,
Speaker 8: the loss of yourself, and the loss of your soul essentially.
Speaker 8: So Philip K. Dick was one of the first people
Speaker 8: to write about technocracy in a in kind of a
Speaker 8: in a way where he ties in intelligence agencies. And
Speaker 8: one of the good books by Philip K. Dick that
Speaker 8: shows his is understanding of spionage to a certain extent,
Speaker 8: social engineering and how drug culture was used as a
Speaker 8: tool is the book called they made a film out
Speaker 8: of it. And I was just talking about with Jay earlier,
Speaker 8: but I'm forgetting the Scanner Darkly. No, No, not Kazan Kazann.
Speaker 8: That's that's that's a different one. So anyway, Yes, Philip K.
Speaker 8: Dick has a really interesting story as far as his
Speaker 8: life story goes. He even believed that he was some
Speaker 8: sort of a MK Ultra type victim at some times
Speaker 8: in his life and believed that he was being experimented
Speaker 8: on using psychotronic weapons.
Speaker 1: Have you do you remember Waking Life? We should cover that, dude.
Speaker 1: That's perfect for that would be perfect in the psychonaut
Speaker 1: Stream or.
Speaker 8: Let's do Waking Life and uh, we'll do Waking Life,
Speaker 8: and the other one the Scanner Darkly because they're both
Speaker 8: Philip K. Dick Ish and they're both by the same director,
Speaker 8: Richard Linklater he's actually a pretty good director.
Speaker 1: And mister Jones, mister al Jones is that.
Speaker 2: Mister Jones and me.
Speaker 8: Stoning through the body and a long my lamp.
Speaker 1: She's looking at you.
Speaker 8: Got to be somebody for me.
Speaker 11: I want to be Bob deal mister cry, just a
Speaker 11: little more funk here as the tears rolled down his
Speaker 11: bald head, letters and cry.
Speaker 1: And if the sun comes up tomorrow, let him cry.
Speaker 8: So I haven't read I'm not sure what the book
Speaker 8: that Total Recall is based on. I don't think it's
Speaker 8: actually called Total Recall, but I think it's based on
Speaker 8: a short story by Philip K. Dick He wrote a
Speaker 8: lot of short stories and they're pretty easy, the quick reads.
Speaker 1: Most of them.
Speaker 8: I would suggest reading Do Android's Dream of Electric Sheet.
Speaker 8: That's another good one. That's what Blade Runner is based on,
Speaker 8: as well as The Man in the High Castle. That's another.
Speaker 1: By the way, I just bought some of the books
Speaker 1: I've read some of the short stories, which I really liked,
Speaker 1: but I've been just kind of waiting to get to
Speaker 1: some of his Have you read any of his novel novels.
Speaker 8: Like, yeah, yeah, whatever, they're short, right, they're they're short novels.
Speaker 8: So there's a do Androids dream. Electric Sheep is good.
Speaker 8: The Penultimate Truth is basically THX eleven thirty eight. Everybody
Speaker 8: lives in this underground society. They're so scared because they
Speaker 8: think there was a nuclear holocaust in the world, so
Speaker 8: big and scary upstairs, and everybody lives underground and they're
Speaker 8: afraid of what's going on up there. But it's all
Speaker 8: big syo. They're just being tricked and to live underground
Speaker 8: and be afraid in this hyper sterile environment, and they
Speaker 8: think they're all going to die if they go the elite.
Speaker 8: The elite are using the Earth's surface, right, and they
Speaker 8: live there. So it's similar to THX eleven thirty eight
Speaker 8: in that way. I suggest reading his books. They're they're good. Vallas.
Speaker 8: Later in life he got zonged out and it gets
Speaker 8: a little bit weirder. That's the time of his life
Speaker 8: when he thought he was being communicated with by an
Speaker 8: artificial intelligence alien that was beaming satellite information to him
Speaker 8: from space.
Speaker 1: And it was really.
Speaker 8: Freaky, weird mk ultra type stuff that he believed he
Speaker 8: was being an experimented on. And he called himself horse
Speaker 8: lover Fat Philip K. Dick. He was so poor most
Speaker 8: of his life. He wrote pop sci fi and he
Speaker 8: was poor, and he used the horse meat to keep
Speaker 8: himself alive because it was cheaper, So he called himself
Speaker 8: horse lover fat. He would be man this fake name,
Speaker 8: and he would all his books are about himself and
Speaker 8: his kind of loss of identity is search for love
Speaker 8: is search for God essentially, and it's.
Speaker 1: Some weird yeah, is it right that? So there's this
Speaker 1: weird part in the link later or movie where the
Speaker 1: guy is talking about Philip K. Dick and he mentions
Speaker 1: that he thinks that in the middle of the Book
Speaker 1: of Acts, like something messed up and we're all stuck
Speaker 1: halfway through the Book of Acts.
Speaker 8: Yeah, he came up with weird theories like this that
Speaker 8: he would pause it at times and maybe let's let's
Speaker 8: maybe we got to do some stream We have so many,
Speaker 8: we have a list of like twenty streams we have
Speaker 8: to do.
Speaker 1: But PK.
Speaker 8: D man.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 8: He gave the speech about living in the in a
Speaker 8: matrix and an artificial reality, an artificial construct, and he
Speaker 8: really started to believe that this was real and that
Speaker 8: he had tapped into in between the fabric of reality,
Speaker 8: and he came up with some odd theories. But that's
Speaker 8: that part of the of Waking Life, you know, that's
Speaker 8: that's Richard link Later is the character who's telling that story.
Speaker 8: So I think that means a lot to him for
Speaker 8: some reason. I don't know why it means so much
Speaker 8: to him, because it's a strange I don't know. I'd
Speaker 8: have to watch that film again.
Speaker 1: I wonder if he'd come on a stream. I should
Speaker 1: ask if to reach out if he did an.
Speaker 8: Interview, Dude, you should. You should get him on, man,
Speaker 8: if you get him on a stream.
Speaker 1: I'd love to come on trying to how many cram
Speaker 1: But he didn't ever.
Speaker 8: But I don't know forensicool and I'm a big fan
Speaker 8: of link Later. I do like his films. Yeah, he
Speaker 8: seems to have been able to make some good films
Speaker 8: that he really liked and loved, and they meant a
Speaker 8: lot to him, and he made him kind of outside
Speaker 8: of the whole Hollywood weird ocracy. You know, he did
Speaker 8: it out of Austin instead of Hollywood, right, and he
Speaker 8: filmed a lot in Texas, right, And it seems like
Speaker 8: he's kind of not so not so weird as some
Speaker 8: of these Hollywood folks are.
Speaker 1: All right, so total recall. We got the p K
Speaker 1: d background, Paul Berhoven as a director, funny character if
Speaker 1: you know. He did, of course Starship Troopers, which is
Speaker 1: another weird sci fi Pentagon produced thing. They actually read
Speaker 1: that kind of the hind line is read at I
Speaker 1: think the Navy or Army War College, so you will
Speaker 1: actually go read if you go to like Pentagon stuff,
Speaker 1: you'll read hindline as part.
Speaker 8: Of your recent A Stranger in a Strange Land Moon
Speaker 8: is a Harsh.
Speaker 1: Mistress too, which is actually about Google. So there's this
Speaker 1: AI that's like helping the libertarian revolution.
Speaker 8: Yeah, Vallas is kind of like that too, except Google.
Speaker 8: The AI are now this off planet entity that beamed
Speaker 8: thoughts to people's head. It's like, yeah, it's really, but
Speaker 8: it's it's it's schizoid. He was he was into speed,
Speaker 8: like right, Phil K. Dick was into speed and psychedelics,
Speaker 8: and that is a combination for for some strange.
Speaker 1: Only Speed I'm into is Vin Diesel Speed a.
Speaker 8: K A fast and furious Baby, fast and furious.
Speaker 1: I've never seen fas I'm joking.
Speaker 8: Only only Vin Diesel I'm into is Triple X bro
Speaker 8: Xander Cage.
Speaker 1: That's that's how into Vin I am. I'm into Vin.
Speaker 1: I have Vin diagrams about VIN numbers on cars, demonstrated.
Speaker 8: That movie is so funny. Triple X is one of
Speaker 8: the funniest movies ever.
Speaker 1: He liked watch that. It's pretty bad.
Speaker 8: Like the first three minutes he meets like Tony Hawk
Speaker 8: and Dave Mira and like all the all the extreme
Speaker 8: sports guys, and they're like, oh, They're like, oh, what's up, dude.
Speaker 10: He's like, Hey, what's up Tony Hawk? And Tony Hey,
Speaker 10: did you finish that new trick? Did you did you
Speaker 10: finish that new trick yet? He's like, yeah, what my
Speaker 10: Superman seat grab barrel roll No, I'm close.
Speaker 8: Though, and then he like the bad guys come and
Speaker 8: he blows everything up and then he like runs off
Speaker 8: and he grabs a tray like a cafeteria tray and
Speaker 8: board slides down a huge rail and then jumps on
Speaker 8: a motorcycle. And then just jumps every explosion. That movie
Speaker 8: is amazing.
Speaker 1: Triple X, do you even know how to Tokyo trying
Speaker 1: to do it?
Speaker 7: Van?
Speaker 1: Do you even know how to Tokyo drift? Dude?
Speaker 8: Do you know Vin Diesel? He has an album. He
Speaker 8: just put out an album. What in Diesel? It's on YouTube.
Speaker 1: Somebody said. Somebody said Asia Argento is in Triple X.
Speaker 1: That's weird, given Dario Ardento is such an esoteric, creepy
Speaker 1: horror maker. By the way, no, I don't think you
Speaker 1: would like it, but anyway, so, uh so we open
Speaker 1: up what we got what looks like chocolate bar Mars.
Speaker 1: Mars looks like a big red chocolate bar.
Speaker 2: The the.
Speaker 1: Models, so they're still using models. No c g I yet,
Speaker 1: really in this there's only one sequence that I recalled
Speaker 1: me in c G I in this movie, which is
Speaker 1: the we We We ran them off, he ran away. Finally,
Speaker 1: I was about to.
Speaker 8: Start cowering, cowering and shame, start dropping insults, but.
Speaker 1: You drop you dropped without my insults.
Speaker 8: So that was I was. I was just kind of
Speaker 8: cowering over there in the corner and shame and fear
Speaker 8: from all these great Vegan debaters who've been crushing me
Speaker 8: in comments all week.
Speaker 1: You're not fast and furious, you just slow and medium.
Speaker 1: How's that?
Speaker 8: Is that a line from Fasten?
Speaker 1: I just made it up. I don't even I don't
Speaker 1: even know how to talk like Vin Diesel. I'm just
Speaker 1: trying to remember kind of what he talks about. He's
Speaker 1: got like this gravelious voice of gravy voice.
Speaker 8: Yeah, but it's so fake though, like it's.
Speaker 1: He probably yeah, he probably doesn't really talk. He probably
Speaker 1: times like this. You're really taught, you.
Speaker 8: Realizing swag white? I wonder what race is Van Diesel.
Speaker 8: He's like he's like one of those like the rock
Speaker 8: like racially ambiguous where it's like you could just project
Speaker 8: whatever race you think is cool, and that's him. Like
Speaker 8: if you're white, like is his race, if you're if
Speaker 8: you're if you're like Mexican, you kind of think Vin
Speaker 8: Diesel's Mexican. If you're if you're black, you think he's
Speaker 8: part black. But he just never says anything. His real
Speaker 8: last name is probably like Bronfman or something.
Speaker 1: Isn't he like Hawaiian or something?
Speaker 8: I don't know. I feel like Vin Diesel is.
Speaker 10: A no no.
Speaker 1: I mean the Rock is like Smoe or something. Oh
Speaker 1: the Rock.
Speaker 8: Yeah. I think his dad is like half black and
Speaker 8: half Samoan or something. He's a rock. I think he
Speaker 8: has a little bit of black in but he's mostly
Speaker 8: got Samoan, which is why he's a monster. Dude. Simones
Speaker 8: are freaking huge, strong people there, and they really like
Speaker 8: family too.
Speaker 1: They're down there eating all those vegetables beacons.
Speaker 8: All those vegetables, yeah right, all the soy that they like. Uh.
Speaker 1: So we see pyramid minds. There's colonization of Mars. Terraformed Mars.
Speaker 1: Mars is now a colony, so we get this whole
Speaker 1: industrial complex colonization now of other planets, just like empires
Speaker 1: would have colonies previously. Uh, and now we find out
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a resource war. And the first thing
Speaker 1: that popped in my head was this makes me think
Speaker 1: of like the stuff that we hear about Elon Musk
Speaker 1: is going to send us to Mars, I mean, or
Speaker 1: we being to Mars this goofy thing. Yeah.
Speaker 8: Well, and and Mars is actually run by like an
Speaker 8: Elon Musk type character, right, I mean this is uh.
Speaker 8: And I've got some notes here like the I mean,
Speaker 8: it starts out the very beginning in the first shots
Speaker 8: kind of evoke this idea of you know, dreams and reality,
Speaker 8: I dreaming, is this real?
Speaker 1: You don't know?
Speaker 8: Right, doesn't He wakes up from a dream, like a
Speaker 8: sexual dream, and he's with Sharon Stone and they have
Speaker 8: this they're in this kind of honeymoon style relationship where
Speaker 8: they're like they're just so enamored with each other they
Speaker 8: can't stop kissing, and like they's all over each other,
Speaker 8: which is that's another funny Hollywood thing, right, all the
Speaker 8: all the relationships in these films, they're all very unrealistic, right, Like,
Speaker 8: if you you've been with someone, you love, somebody, you've
Speaker 8: been with them for a little bit, you're not like
Speaker 8: constantly making out all over the place.
Speaker 1: But remember this one is unique because uh, she's a
Speaker 1: sex operative.
Speaker 8: Yes exactly, And that's and that's why I mean that
Speaker 8: that is an excuse. But also but there's other films
Speaker 8: where it's like, right, like we got to be like,
Speaker 8: I don't know that this false ideal of like your
Speaker 8: relationship is just all sexual and it's hyper sexual and
Speaker 8: you're just always all over each other and you have
Speaker 8: to just be like tonguing each other's faces all day.
Speaker 8: I think that's a that's a weird Hollywood trope that
Speaker 8: gets pushed out there. There's nothing wrong with affection and stuff,
Speaker 8: but it's like, look, you've been married for a few years.
Speaker 8: You're probably not going to be tongueing each other constantly
Speaker 8: like you like you see in these films. It's very weird, very.
Speaker 1: Strange, right, which you're right, that's actually a key, I think,
Speaker 1: showing us that something's off about this present experience of Arnold.
Speaker 1: And then he he goes and he's working this jackhammer,
Speaker 1: and it's it's like so that we're in the future,
Speaker 1: they can fly to Mars, but dudes are still out
Speaker 1: there just with jackhammers, just like there's no.
Speaker 8: You still have you still need any any they have
Speaker 8: like a it's like on his bicep that's got close
Speaker 8: up on his biceps. Arnold just looking jacked, just jacked
Speaker 8: out of his mind. But the scene with him and
Speaker 8: Sharon Stone and she's like punching him, she's sitting on
Speaker 8: top of him and she's like she's really jealous. Like
Speaker 8: right away, it's this idea of like the sex relationship
Speaker 8: between them, which is just sexual it seems, and it's
Speaker 8: just about control and jealousy, and the jealousy kind of
Speaker 8: gives you a hint that something's not quite right here
Speaker 8: and that they don't seem like they've been together.
Speaker 12: Dream about her, keep dreaming of her, because I just do.
Speaker 12: She's like, why are you thinking about her?
Speaker 9: Well, I was thinking of her then and now I'm thinking.
Speaker 3: Of you, right.
Speaker 1: He just he just laughs it off, and it's really good.
Speaker 8: But then she just she just like lays back. She's like,
Speaker 8: I'll give you something the dream about and then she
Speaker 8: like lays down and spreads her legs or something. He's like, waw,
Speaker 8: it's super funny. The opening scene is hilarious.
Speaker 1: There was a couple quick kind of references to things
Speaker 1: that were ahead of their time. There's a war on
Speaker 1: terror going on right that keeps being mentioned on the news.
Speaker 1: ESPN is everywhere everywhere Arnold goes, there's screens everywhere blasting ESPN.
Speaker 1: There's war on terror blasting.
Speaker 8: Now.
Speaker 1: This is prior to war on terror. This is, by
Speaker 1: the way, keep in mind, nobody had been thinking of
Speaker 1: war on terror in nineteen ninety. Right after this comes
Speaker 1: another big blockbuster that kicks off Hollywood's notion of war
Speaker 1: on terror, and that's true lies another big Arnold moves.
Speaker 1: So Arnold will be in some of these key pivot
Speaker 1: point late eighties early nineties action figures that will transition
Speaker 1: everybody's thought process into eighties commando cold war stuff, rambow stuff,
Speaker 1: now flip it over into nineties war on terror.
Speaker 8: Yep, Yeah, so what he said, code babe, you know
Speaker 8: you're the good of my dreams.
Speaker 1: You know you're the good of my dreams.
Speaker 8: I don't know why I wrote down that line, just
Speaker 8: thought that was funny. But there's space based weapons another
Speaker 8: thing that the weaponization of space. And you mentioned like
Speaker 8: there's screens everywhere in their home, right, So they live
Speaker 8: in this It's not like a teeny tiny apartment. It
Speaker 8: actually looks kind of big, but for Hollywood, like in
Speaker 8: a Hollywood movie, when you're shooting something like this, it
Speaker 8: makes it look small. So it does kind of seem
Speaker 8: like they're in this coffin apartment type situation. And they've
Speaker 8: switched on the TV. Switches on the TV, starts watching
Speaker 8: the news and getting all freaked out about the terror
Speaker 8: attacks and all the things the news is terrorizing him about.
Speaker 8: She switches it off and it goes to this nature
Speaker 8: scene of like a beautiful pond and a bunch of trees.
Speaker 8: So the only natural landscapes that they're exposed to are
Speaker 8: through their screens. This artificial Yeah, and so they I mean,
Speaker 8: this is not by accident like you mean, I'm sure.
Speaker 8: I'm sure the Pentagon was consulting for this film as well,
Speaker 8: just like they having so.
Speaker 1: Much Well, don't forget the next sequence after that, which
Speaker 1: is the TSA. Arnold has to walk through a giant
Speaker 1: X ray that fully X rays his whole body.
Speaker 8: And there's body scanners, surveillance and TSA and biometrics as well,
Speaker 8: right with the thumb printing and so the biometric identification.
Speaker 8: Also you mentioned like the terrorists, the War on Terror
Speaker 8: and the stuff there. These factions are fighting over this
Speaker 8: esoteric gnostic idea of artifacts in this pyramid mine. So
Speaker 8: there's kind of this.
Speaker 1: Ancient alien technology on Mars that will give people an
Speaker 1: upper hand in terms of resource.
Speaker 8: War, right, and they tie it in with this gnostic idea,
Speaker 8: and there are essentially this mutant colony has been prepared
Speaker 8: on Mars by this billionaire class and this man what
Speaker 8: was the guy's name that runs Mars. I think it
Speaker 8: was something else is.
Speaker 1: Like the revolution is run by So the billionaire bag
Speaker 1: guy is Cochrane, and then there's the they call him
Speaker 1: the George Washington of Mars. Yeah, his name.
Speaker 8: So again this gnostic idea of revolution, right, we're gonna
Speaker 8: we have to overthrow the established order. The Demiurs in
Speaker 8: the film is this kind of Elon Musk's style billionaire
Speaker 8: guy who has colonized Mars, terraformed Mars and created a
Speaker 8: giant bubble where he controls and rations quantum air. Quanto yeah,
Speaker 8: Quatto right, So Quato is the rebel army leader, and
Speaker 8: it's kind of similar to Later Runner twenty forty nine
Speaker 8: in some ways. How you have this underground movement of
Speaker 8: the mutants that want to be free, but the demiers
Speaker 8: is keeping them down. And it's this Elon Musk type
Speaker 8: character who has sealed them into this bubble and makes
Speaker 8: them pay for air, which I think is really funny,
Speaker 8: kind of the Agenda twenty one type exactly right.
Speaker 1: So the ultimate privatization of resources now beyond water, right,
Speaker 1: is air? Right. And so if you're on Mars, presumably
Speaker 1: to this mythology, like if you could control the oxygen
Speaker 1: on Mars, you would have you know, total resource control.
Speaker 1: But before I got to that, though, I wanted to
Speaker 1: mention that when he sees the ad for Recall, it's
Speaker 1: very interesting that Recall has a K instead of a C,
Speaker 1: so that the been spelled R E K A L L.
Speaker 1: And then they have a butterfly that's a logo. So
Speaker 1: I think that m K the K is there for
Speaker 1: for a reason to tell you that this is a
Speaker 1: reference obliquely to MK Ultra. The butterfly shows up to
Speaker 1: show you that it's monarch because in those programs and
Speaker 1: DARPA has developed this nowadays, the ability to erase and
Speaker 1: replace and implant memories. As you pointed out Blade Runner,
Speaker 1: that's exactly what happens with the replicants. PK D is
Speaker 1: who wrote a Blade Runner story, And here pkd is
Speaker 1: telling us about the same stuff with DARPA memory erasing
Speaker 1: and replacing. And what does Arnold end up with as
Speaker 1: his programming a secret agent mind control program? Yep, So
Speaker 1: he sits in this machine, gets his mind wiped, and then,
Speaker 1: which is probably one of the best aspects of the
Speaker 1: movie is that we are put into this state where
Speaker 1: we're now trying to figure out what's real and what's
Speaker 1: part of the matrix. So this is actually the matrix.
Speaker 1: Prior to the matrix, Arnold is running around in this
Speaker 1: story that he's chosen and now we can't figure out
Speaker 1: was Sharon Stone really his girlfriend at the beginning? Where
Speaker 1: did he actually start his programming? We don't know. And
Speaker 1: that's I think the best part of this movie is
Speaker 1: that aspect.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, yeah. The idea of you know, the company recall,
Speaker 8: it's like this. It's this corporate mk ultra type program
Speaker 8: where they sell people on the idea of vacations, right,
Speaker 8: so you don't have to go into real vacation that's
Speaker 8: dangerous or it's not as fun, it's not as cool.
Speaker 8: We're going to implant memories in you. We're going to
Speaker 8: sell you whatever memories you want, and you'll think it's
Speaker 8: totally real and you'll experience it all. So this is
Speaker 8: kind of neurolink type idea as well. And and how
Speaker 8: does he pay for it? Jay pays for it with
Speaker 8: social credits?
Speaker 1: Oh good one, dude.
Speaker 8: You know they call it credits. You pay with your credits.
Speaker 8: It only costs eight and ninety nine credits. How else
Speaker 8: would you spend your credits?
Speaker 1: Huh, I didn't even notice that.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's a weird that's that's kind of a weird
Speaker 8: predictive part of it thought was very strange.
Speaker 1: Did you notice too, the oh, by the way, mentioning
Speaker 1: that that Pentagon deep state element. Remember, because so Starship
Speaker 1: Starship Troopers is hindline and that's satire and what you
Speaker 1: read if you go to Army War College, Verehoven directs that,
Speaker 1: Vera Hooven directs this. And remember that PKD was was
Speaker 1: claiming that he had been in the circles of Silicon Valley,
Speaker 1: so he wasn't just making stuff up. He had been
Speaker 1: hanging out with those guys. Yeah what would become silk
Speaker 1: and valid, So he had inside kind of whether PKD.
Speaker 8: Was kind of one of these think tank guys that
Speaker 8: it seems like he was being harvested for ideas. He
Speaker 8: seems like it seems like in the seventies, especially a
Speaker 8: lot of these California characters and the drug culture. Pk
Speaker 8: D even you know, Leary was openly involved with in
Speaker 8: intelligence agencies and stuff, but it seems like there was
Speaker 8: a certain part of the intelligence agencies that were using
Speaker 8: characters like this just and monitoring them and harvesting ideas
Speaker 8: from them and using them because as winning and unwilling
Speaker 8: witting members of think tanks or social engineering planning, and
Speaker 8: he was involved in that stuff and he got freaked
Speaker 8: out by it, by what he saw and what he heard.
Speaker 1: In Annie Jacobson's DARPA books, she talks about she got
Speaker 1: whole chapters on the Pentagon talking to sci fi writers
Speaker 1: and they were kind of doing this thing, trying to
Speaker 1: get harvest ideas. Like you said, another weird element was
Speaker 1: that they tried to sell him on uh. When Arnold
Speaker 1: gets in the cat scan, it looks like a CATSCA machine.
Speaker 1: By the way, I was you know that funny scene
Speaker 1: when he's like ah and he's he's laying in the
Speaker 1: cat scan machine, and it made me immediately think of
Speaker 1: when he's in is it kindergarten cop and his idiot
Speaker 1: line is not a tuma, it's not a here. He's
Speaker 1: laying in a cat scan machine. Basically that is what
Speaker 1: it looks like. And there's another reference in this movie
Speaker 1: to other Arnold movies or future Arnold movies, because there's
Speaker 1: two or three times in this movie where he's like,
Speaker 1: you'll not me.
Speaker 9: I am me, Hey, you all me?
Speaker 1: And then in Sixth Day, when he encounters his clones.
Speaker 9: He's like, hey, you'll not me. I am me, No,
Speaker 9: I am me, you'll you.
Speaker 1: They have this idiot dialogue back and forth. But this
Speaker 1: comes up in more than one Arnold movie. Have you
Speaker 1: have you seen sixth Day the Cloning Arnold movie?
Speaker 8: No? No, I'm not seeing that one. What year was?
Speaker 1: Oh dude, it's hilarious, man, you gotta watch this. It's
Speaker 1: as funny.
Speaker 8: I like Arnold. I'm always for.
Speaker 1: It's as goofy as a total recall, and Arnold has
Speaker 1: just as many goofy one liners.
Speaker 8: And before or after.
Speaker 1: It's after so I think it's about ninety five or six.
Speaker 1: So so Arnold has a handful of doozies. I would say,
Speaker 1: By the way, Predator actually is really good. Predator is
Speaker 1: a movie.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it is well, and there's other Predator movies that
Speaker 8: are goofy. But also was the one where they have
Speaker 8: like the Pyramids and Antarctica?
Speaker 1: Yes, I know, Alien versus Predator is where they Yeah.
Speaker 8: But it's mostly action, but there are some weird esoteric
Speaker 8: things in that one.
Speaker 1: So Arnold has a bunch of stinkers, but he actually
Speaker 1: have some some that are funny. Running Man is really good.
Speaker 1: I do recommend if you've never seen. That's a great dystopia.
Speaker 1: Running Man with Arnold total recall is fun it's funny.
Speaker 1: Definitely watch Commando. That's classic eighties just Arnold being ridiculous.
Speaker 1: And then The Sixth Day is not that good of
Speaker 1: a movie, but it does have a lot of predictive
Speaker 1: program It's got driverless cars and all kinds of stuff
Speaker 1: like that, and but just Arnold interacting with his clones.
Speaker 1: It's hilarious just because it's so ridiculous. True lies is relevant,
Speaker 1: just because it kicks off we're on terror, and I'm
Speaker 1: sure there's a bunch more Arnold, but the one liners
Speaker 1: are pretty classic in Sixth Day and in Commando and
Speaker 1: Running MANE gets.
Speaker 8: Divorce gets.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, divorce see you with the.
Speaker 8: I love punches Sharon Stone in the face. Well that's
Speaker 8: what he shoots her in the head, but before that,
Speaker 8: he punches her in the face.
Speaker 1: When they first fight. Yeah, when he finds out she's a.
Speaker 8: Box her out, oh man. And then she kicks him
Speaker 8: the balls like.
Speaker 1: Ye does the ouch my balls move right close.
Speaker 8: Close up, Ouch my balls like four times they should
Speaker 8: have had like a bank, but they didn't. Hey did
Speaker 8: you notice that they have autonomous vehicles?
Speaker 1: Yeah, they have the robot uber driver.
Speaker 8: Hey yeah, I'm your Carson Cabs. Welcome to Carson Cab.
Speaker 8: The idea of like drive, I like, all he has
Speaker 8: to do is rip the robot out and then he
Speaker 8: grabs the joy in it. Like they make a robot
Speaker 8: to drive with a joystick. Why don't they just make
Speaker 8: the robot wired directly? I don't get it. But so
Speaker 8: there's this The idea of the breakaway civilization is you know,
Speaker 8: obviously very prominent, but also uh compartmentalization, right, the compartmentalization
Speaker 8: where you know, one one hand doesn't know what the
Speaker 8: other hand is doing, which is really important intelligence agencies.
Speaker 8: And they bring this up with the antagonist characters where
Speaker 8: he says to him, I don't give you enough information
Speaker 8: to think you do what you're told, right. So the
Speaker 8: characters they're out there doing their own little missions, but
Speaker 8: they don't understand the big picture thing, and sometimes they
Speaker 8: get fed lies to keep them compartmentalized. And then in
Speaker 8: the end some of them come to realize some of
Speaker 8: the bigger picture. But that idea of compartmentalization is here
Speaker 8: in the film. And that's, as you have talked about
Speaker 8: many times, it's really important the intelligence world sexual blackmail, right,
Speaker 8: I mean, there's like there's a lot of a lot
Speaker 8: of different control mechanisms that are exploring this film. And
Speaker 8: I wrote down just a few sexual blackmail, sexual blackmail, drugs, hypnosis, cybernetics,
Speaker 8: virtual reality, theater.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 8: This idea of theater at almost ritual, where you have
Speaker 8: people in somebody's life, handlers that will come and stage
Speaker 8: certain events or pay out certain narratives in order to
Speaker 8: influence a character and their worldview so that they will
Speaker 8: interpret the world in certain ways and thus behave in
Speaker 8: certain ways, is a big part of the mind control
Speaker 8: techniques that they use. Right. They're always trying to tell
Speaker 8: them a story, right, like, oh no, no, this is
Speaker 8: what's really happening. You were doing this, but the real
Speaker 8: reason was this, and you never never know if it's
Speaker 8: true or if it's a lie. And that's kind of
Speaker 8: how intelligence agencies work, right. If you want somebody to
Speaker 8: do your dirty work, you don't tell them why they're
Speaker 8: doing it. You get somebody who's dumb enough and compartmentalize
Speaker 8: that they'll get a job done and not have any
Speaker 8: idea the bigger picture of what they're connected to. Yes,
Speaker 8: there's another trauma of course, right, ritual trauma, electroshock, electroshock therapy,
Speaker 8: so all these.
Speaker 1: Kult type He's got a microchip implant that he has
Speaker 1: to pull out through his nose like a gigantic booger, right.
Speaker 8: Right. Then they also used film to mess with him,
Speaker 8: remember like the film that they had him shoot, right,
Speaker 8: So they used film, theatrics and and of course you
Speaker 8: know just the threat of vil. So those are just
Speaker 8: some of the control mechanisms that were explored in order
Speaker 8: to manipulate characters consciousness and manipulate characters in doing what
Speaker 8: they want to do. And all of those are pretty
Speaker 8: dag important in the world of espionage, and these are
Speaker 8: tools used by espionage agent agencies all the time.
Speaker 1: Right, there's multiple references to doubles. He gets a hologram
Speaker 1: that's his double, and obviously, yes that's a hologram. But
Speaker 1: you'll notice there's different layers to Arnold's psyche and who
Speaker 1: he is. So he doesn't know whether he's a mind
Speaker 1: control operative, whether he's a normy guy who's on a
Speaker 1: vacation that he bought or whether he's actually, as we
Speaker 1: find out in the third act, been programmed all along
Speaker 1: by the corporation to be a triple agent. So there's
Speaker 1: there's these alters and layers to Arnold, which is imaged
Speaker 1: in the doubling, Right, Hitchcock does this a lot where
Speaker 1: he'll have doubles. Lynch has doubling and doubles a lot,
Speaker 1: And that's really just to show that the division in
Speaker 1: the protagonists psyche, that he's not sure what's real, just
Speaker 1: like with Jacob and Jacob's leader. He doesn't he doesn't
Speaker 1: know who he is. He's disintegrated. His psyche is not integrated.
Speaker 1: It's disintegrated and dissociated.
Speaker 8: Through all of these techniques like trauma, you ritual implants, yes, implants, cybernetics,
Speaker 8: electroshock therapy, all these things were used. And then also
Speaker 8: just lies, right, it's just people telling him lies about
Speaker 8: where he is, what he's doing in order to get
Speaker 8: what they want from him. And then they tell him
Speaker 8: he's dreaming a lot. Oh, you're dreaming, it's a hallucination.
Speaker 1: And I mean they come to him. That's interesting because
Speaker 1: they come to him and they say, you have schizoid embolism,
Speaker 1: and you don't you can never know, and you don't
Speaker 1: know what's real, so you're gonna have to distrust us
Speaker 1: and do what we tell you.
Speaker 8: So yeah, I mean that's that. What a great way
Speaker 8: to initiate a you know, an agent into an organization
Speaker 8: and completely confuse them and have them not understand who
Speaker 8: they are what they're doing, because if they get caught,
Speaker 8: who's going to believe this crazy person who's completely confused
Speaker 8: and schizophrenic. And yeah, I think this is kind of
Speaker 8: overlook a lot of people think of, you know, mind control,
Speaker 8: and they think just about a clockwork orange style uh
Speaker 8: mk ultra techniques. But more I think worldview warfare is
Speaker 8: a really important concept here and this is what's being
Speaker 8: waged on Arnold the entire time. Worldview warfare about who
Speaker 8: he is, where he's going, what is what his reality
Speaker 8: is all about?
Speaker 1: You're not you, I'm you, You are not you? You
Speaker 1: are me?
Speaker 8: Venus Ville? What was that with Venusville? Why do you
Speaker 8: think they call that? That?
Speaker 1: One?
Speaker 8: The area with the Masonic checkerboard floor in the where
Speaker 8: all the whores are, all the hookers and like get
Speaker 8: like the midget, the red light district. They called it
Speaker 8: venus Ville, and.
Speaker 1: That was oh, well Venus, that's right, Yeah, so Venus
Speaker 1: is the area. Well, it's obviously connected with the sexuality
Speaker 1: and lust and all that, and so the red light
Speaker 1: district on the planet is Venusville. Exactly. Did you notice,
Speaker 1: by the way, that there was a Hilton When he
Speaker 1: gets to Mars, he goes to the ritzy area and
Speaker 1: he's in the Hilton. I just thought it was funny
Speaker 1: that there's a there's a Hilton on Mars. And then
Speaker 1: he has to eventually make his way over out of
Speaker 1: the elite area to the poor mutant area. So there's
Speaker 1: these people who have mutated from I guess Mars's atmosphere
Speaker 1: being I don't know what, like radioactive or whatever. I
Speaker 1: don't remember what the where the mutants come from? Where
Speaker 1: the mutants?
Speaker 8: He just said that, like he sealed the air and
Speaker 8: all the children started turning to mutants and get them.
Speaker 8: I don't think they explained it, just but the mutants
Speaker 8: are psychic. They have they have they have developed psychic powers.
Speaker 1: And of course greatest, greater than the psychic is the
Speaker 1: third peat, the greatest of all sexuals.
Speaker 8: That's the most important one.
Speaker 1: Chick with the and by the way, all of her
Speaker 1: teats looked fake, but that third one especially looked fake.
Speaker 8: And she has two real faked its and then a
Speaker 8: third fake.
Speaker 1: And by the way, if you would like to contribute
Speaker 1: to me and Jamie getting Jamie a third teat, there's
Speaker 1: the super chats. I'll be putting it into a special
Speaker 1: bitcoin hedge fund which will accumulate over time, and we'll
Speaker 1: get Jamie that third teat that she needs and that
Speaker 1: I want. So please donate.
Speaker 8: You need, you need that, you deserve that. You you
Speaker 8: work hard, You work really hard for this.
Speaker 1: There's an all seeing eye in that sequence too, that
Speaker 1: pops up. I want to note.
Speaker 8: The girl was with she has pyramid with the eye
Speaker 8: on them ear rings.
Speaker 1: I saw that. I thought that was interesting. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: the I noted that this was this is where it's
Speaker 1: really getting, like the matrix. Arnold's like neo.
Speaker 8: But you notice that well, I thought it was kind
Speaker 8: of interesting that that with the Masonic floor, that kind
Speaker 8: of free Masonic floor when they're in the red light
Speaker 8: district in Venusville or Venus being you know Lucifer obviously,
Speaker 8: but they from that spot they kind of transition into
Speaker 8: the next stage. Of the mystery and the uh I
Speaker 8: think it was the antagonist, the bad character, Coohagen, that's
Speaker 8: his name. Cohagen jumps through the glass, jumps through the
Speaker 8: looking glass, jumps through the window, and then it cuts
Speaker 8: to Arnold and this chick. They find this underground chamber, right,
Speaker 8: they find and they get into the area underneath.
Speaker 1: Catacombs.
Speaker 8: Yes, yes, so they go into the underworld and they
Speaker 8: you know, they go and they seek out this esoteric
Speaker 8: knowledge in the underworld, and the underworld is full of
Speaker 8: an ancient remains of an ancient civilization. Yes, Pyramids of Mars,
Speaker 8: which I mean back then in nineteen ninety people were
Speaker 8: talking about the Pyramids on Mars. I think it was
Speaker 8: like nineteen eight. When did those photos come out, the
Speaker 8: first Pyramids on Mars.
Speaker 1: Well, it's when Richard Hogland put out that book, and
Speaker 1: that was about ninety ninety one.
Speaker 8: Yeah, so, and I remember reading about this as a
Speaker 8: really young kid, and this is kind of what first
Speaker 8: got me interested in a lot of the you know,
Speaker 8: all the alien stuff and what's up with these.
Speaker 1: Period That's not a face. It's the stupidest conspiracy of
Speaker 1: all time. That's stupid ass Shatow that is not like,
Speaker 1: by the way, they had photoshop in nineteen ninety. So
Speaker 1: just because there's this vague looking, stupid face on Mars
Speaker 1: is what I mean. There's literally a pyramid on Mars.
Speaker 1: That's the dumbest thing of all time.
Speaker 8: Denying your your ancient ancestors.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I don't believe in the Mars alien.
Speaker 8: Your ancient aryan ancestors. We're living on Mars and had
Speaker 8: they had a beautiful civilization. But yeah, I don't. I
Speaker 8: don't know what people think about.
Speaker 1: I was at a conference one time and a guy
Speaker 1: gave a lecture on that Aliens were using nuclear war
Speaker 1: on Mars, and so that's why Mars that's the atmosphere
Speaker 1: it does because the Aliens had a new core there.
Speaker 1: And by the way, that is in this this is
Speaker 1: about the Aliens having nuclear technology, because what is the
Speaker 1: alien tech and the pyramid. Oh, they figured out how
Speaker 1: to lower these reactors into ice and then it creates I.
Speaker 8: Love how Arnold just walks in and he's like, which
Speaker 8: is the reactor and he knows it down it will
Speaker 8: be oxygen for everybody. Arnold just walks in and he
Speaker 8: exactly what this is. He reverse engineers the nuclear reactor
Speaker 8: within seconds of witnessing it.
Speaker 1: That's a great point. I didn't even think about how
Speaker 1: stupid it was, Like, you have no idea what this
Speaker 1: gigantic thing is, but Arnold just walks.
Speaker 13: In, Oh, yeah, it's the reactors. Pushed the button, right,
Speaker 13: you put your hand down, and.
Speaker 1: Alien it's like push it down, and then the heater
Speaker 1: comes on and now there's error, right, the conditioning of mos. Yeah.
Speaker 8: So the yeah, so this this this it's a very
Speaker 8: gnostic film, right, like the the Total the Elon Musk
Speaker 8: Demiurge and the revolutionary movement is going to save the
Speaker 8: planet and free all the slaves, and and Arnold of
Speaker 8: course you.
Speaker 1: Like in fact, I like the fact that they brought
Speaker 1: that the Kohagen guy in and and he he layers
Speaker 1: this the scam one more level, and he's like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're actually a triple agent and you're working for me
Speaker 1: all this time. Yeah.
Speaker 8: Well, I mean there's another thing, like it's just we
Speaker 8: fear in the involved in the world of espionage, those
Speaker 8: type of tactics of you know, switching people and and
Speaker 8: and just messing with their minds is it's pretty important.
Speaker 8: I think, you know, what's a good film, The Good Shepherd.
Speaker 8: You watched that one.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's great. You know that's actually based on the
Speaker 1: real loosely, the real origins of how the British came
Speaker 1: and set up the os s.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yes, exactly and Skull and Bones. You know, that
Speaker 8: was directed by Robert de Niro.
Speaker 1: Directed that the pyramids of Moss.
Speaker 8: So that they go under the pp mids and inside
Speaker 8: of the PP mids are a giant reactor and the reactor.
Speaker 8: What's what the there you go, mos jay, do you
Speaker 8: notice the.
Speaker 1: Climate by turning the Moss act conditioning on?
Speaker 8: Well, you notice in the poster there we show that
Speaker 8: again because that's the the free Masonic compass right there. Yeah,
Speaker 8: pyramid in the compass.
Speaker 1: Then we see Arnold's single eye.
Speaker 8: Yes, it's a super it's a very Masonic.
Speaker 1: By the way, the pyramid, yes, yep.
Speaker 8: So there there's a there's a lot of free Masonic
Speaker 8: symbolism in that Venusville area. So there there's a free
Speaker 8: Masonic checking checkerboard. And then when he goes, the hooker
Speaker 8: brings him into the room and there's the pillar of
Speaker 8: Jachim and Boaz on the side there. And then she's
Speaker 8: got the pyramid ear rings with the eye in the
Speaker 8: middle and there's three little dots hanging from them. So
Speaker 8: a lot of the random stuff thrown in there. But
Speaker 8: the concept of like the demiurge needing to be slain
Speaker 8: and the mutants being freed so that they can live
Speaker 8: happily ever after is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, We've got these different arnolds that he could be,
Speaker 1: these different aspects of his psyche, and he, at least
Speaker 1: as far as we know, he really was the bad guy,
Speaker 1: but actually the good Altar ended up taking over and
Speaker 1: that's how we got the good end.
Speaker 8: Yes, So yeah, that dualism idea.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the hero is also the villain, but he takes
Speaker 1: over and then we have this image of Mount sina
Speaker 1: In't there like a giant mountain that like the mountain
Speaker 1: is what becomes like the vapor, yeah, thing.
Speaker 8: That's smoking and then throwing up the vapor and the terrorform.
Speaker 1: So actually this is similar to Dune. So they then
Speaker 1: terrorform Mars completely to have an atmosphere and to colonize it.
Speaker 1: So yes, then I was wondering, just kind of out
Speaker 1: of speculation at the end, do we know for sure
Speaker 1: that that was I mean, is he in the matrix
Speaker 1: still or are we supposed to be unclear? Or is
Speaker 1: this Schwartzendinger's cat. Get it Schwarzendinger's cat, because is it?
Speaker 7: Is it real?
Speaker 1: Or is it in the Matrix?
Speaker 8: Yes? I think, well, in classic Philip K. Dick's style,
Speaker 8: you leave it open. Okay, Yeah, I don't know how
Speaker 8: closely this follows the original short story, but it seems
Speaker 8: to me in the end we're not supposed to know.
Speaker 8: And if you wrap it up too tightly, you put
Speaker 8: a little bow on it, it's not as fun, I
Speaker 8: guess for the audience. So I think Hollywood likes to
Speaker 8: leave it open ended like that. But remember the last line,
Speaker 8: He's like, I just had a terrible thought.
Speaker 1: What did this ease or do?
Speaker 8: And then she's like, oh, you better kiss me before
Speaker 8: you wake up, and then they make out and that's
Speaker 8: the end roll credits.
Speaker 1: By the way, people in the chat, was that story
Speaker 1: the Matrix? Or was Arnold really the triple agent who
Speaker 1: did all this?
Speaker 8: I don't know.
Speaker 1: You guys, tell me what you think. What is Paul
Speaker 1: Verehoven and Arnold? What do they want us to think?
Speaker 1: We've got a few super chats we'll read here. The
Speaker 1: Pyramids of moss but gets the mos gets you as
Speaker 1: the moth gets you as remember when the thing shorts
Speaker 1: out and he keeps saying that good.
Speaker 8: How about the red pill moment? Remember that he goes
Speaker 8: brought up, I miss this. What is this? There's a
Speaker 8: so he's I'm scrolling through right now. So he's having
Speaker 8: this conversation with that fatuh petal looking dude, and the
Speaker 8: guy's trying to confuse him and tell him basically, look
Speaker 8: what you think is going on is not going on.
Speaker 8: I'm gonna save you. I'm gonna help you. We need
Speaker 8: you to wake up. If you take this pill, you
Speaker 8: are going to wake up into the real reality. And
Speaker 8: he gives him a red pill and Arnold puts it
Speaker 8: in his mouth, and the guy's like, all right, man,
Speaker 8: like swallow the pill. And then already zooms in and
Speaker 8: there's the beat of sweat, and Arnold knows, because there's
Speaker 8: a beat of sweat.
Speaker 1: He's lying. Yeah, he's a lie.
Speaker 7: He uses his his.
Speaker 8: Biological what's it called the polygraph test and reads his
Speaker 8: sweat and then he shoots him in the dome and
Speaker 8: then throws the red pill on the guy's throat. And
Speaker 8: I don't know what he says to him divorce. He
Speaker 8: doesn't say that that's one of the best for sure.
Speaker 8: I gotta I use that for a super chat notification.
Speaker 1: By the way, in the chat, people were asking about
Speaker 1: the show. Yes, so we did a full season of
Speaker 1: a TV show called Hollywood Decoded. There is one free
Speaker 1: episode that you can go watch. If you like that show.
Speaker 1: By the way, go and tell Guya to do another
Speaker 1: season so you can leave a comment there. That's the
Speaker 1: free episode everybody can watch. And I loved it. It's
Speaker 1: one of the funnest things I've ever done in my
Speaker 1: life was to do that TV show. We had a
Speaker 1: blast doing it. I wrote a whole other season two
Speaker 1: and we never did it, so but it's there ready
Speaker 1: to go. I think we had Total Recall on the
Speaker 1: list to do. But yeah, you can go check out
Speaker 1: those old episodes we got. Think we did nineteen full
Speaker 1: production TV show episodes of Hollywood Decoded, and we did
Speaker 1: do some James Cameron. I know we did Terminator. I
Speaker 1: don't think we didn't do total Recall, but there's some
Speaker 1: other gems on there. By the way, when you were
Speaker 1: mentioning the studio or the apartment that they have and
Speaker 1: at being small. Have you ever been on a set
Speaker 1: or like done a studio tour like Warner Brothers tour
Speaker 1: or anything.
Speaker 8: Well, they're real open. Yeah, yeah, I've seen sets. They're
Speaker 8: bigger than they look, actually very large.
Speaker 1: Well it depends, but what like if you go to
Speaker 1: Warner Brothers and take us a tour of their like
Speaker 1: their daytime TV shows the people's apartments and uh like schoolroom,
Speaker 1: classrooms or they're tiny, dude, they're really small. And like
Speaker 1: when we were doing our show the set, you look,
Speaker 1: it looks like there's this big audience hall that we're
Speaker 1: in that was just a projection. Sets are small, dude.
Speaker 1: Like really, it'll blow your mind. They look like you'll
Speaker 1: feel like a midget if you do a tour of
Speaker 1: a set, they're really small.
Speaker 8: Speaking of her apartment, did you notice that she was
Speaker 8: playing She was playing like Nintendo wee tennis.
Speaker 1: And yeah, she had like a hologram we she was doing.
Speaker 8: She was playing with the hologram. And that's that's the
Speaker 8: only other that's the only other thing we see her
Speaker 8: doing when she's not directly like Fear with Arnold is
Speaker 8: playing with her fake friends video game hologram. So that
Speaker 8: idea of VR.
Speaker 1: You know the v that had Skype too. Do you
Speaker 1: notice they were doing video teleconferencing.
Speaker 8: Yeah, ye, Skype everywhere in cars and stuff too.
Speaker 1: We'll do some of these super chats. We got shining
Speaker 1: Diamond for three. No, Zach excise me exact way back
Speaker 1: at the beginning, Zac says, for twenty, I'm stoked to
Speaker 1: be here, stoked to be here. Maybe the angry vegans
Speaker 1: need a good steak. Yes, they do, right, Although ironically
Speaker 1: Arnold is a promoter of veganism. I highly doubt that
Speaker 1: he's really vegan, but.
Speaker 8: He says, he said, all my favorite I love it,
Speaker 8: but I know I should not.
Speaker 1: I shouldn't need it.
Speaker 8: You know you do.
Speaker 13: Or whatever you feel the guilty And then but no,
Speaker 13: I have a little uh, I have a friend who's
Speaker 13: a donkey, and to watch how I get the donkey
Speaker 13: the the carrots.
Speaker 1: Remember that video where he was feeding his donkey carrots
Speaker 1: during the.
Speaker 8: Corona and telling everybody to stay home and.
Speaker 1: Me, stay home if you do it was completely dumb.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so the vegans do need a stick Shining
Speaker 1: diamond three dollars. Will you be doing an analysis of
Speaker 1: the animated movie Ghosts in the Show and Akira. I
Speaker 1: that was the only anime movie that I watched in
Speaker 1: the nineties that I liked. It was it ninety mid
Speaker 1: to late nine.
Speaker 8: Yeah, Kira and Ghost of the Show The Shell was good.
Speaker 1: I mean it had a lot of that same dystopian
Speaker 1: blade runner my control type stuff.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and you already did the book that you know
Speaker 8: the title is referring to goes to the Machine Kessen.
Speaker 1: Right, exactly. And I know people have requested Neon Genesis
Speaker 1: Evangelium because it has a lot of esoteric stuff. So
Speaker 1: I promise, what guys, one day I will get to it.
Speaker 1: I just there's so many things.
Speaker 8: When I was in the universe, we had a course
Speaker 8: called Techno Thrillers and it was in the film The
Speaker 8: Parliamentute took this part. It was a pretty decent course.
Speaker 8: We we actually we watched Doctor Strange Love. What's the
Speaker 8: other one that came out the same year as Doctor Strangelove,
Speaker 8: But wasn't Doctor Strange Love. It was more of a
Speaker 8: serious version of the Doctor Strange Love story. Somebody in
Speaker 8: the audience might know, No, it's not Kubrick. It's like
Speaker 8: fail Safe for something. It was called fail Safe.
Speaker 1: Oh, where they have like a big computer that it's
Speaker 1: like an AI computer. Yeah, I've seen it's boring.
Speaker 8: It's like it's like Strangelove, but it's not as good.
Speaker 8: So we watched that. We watched the Will Smith movie
Speaker 8: Enemy of the State, and then also Ghost in Michelle
Speaker 8: and north By Northwest.
Speaker 1: Speak.
Speaker 8: Anyways, the instructor was was pretty based for for that time,
Speaker 8: you know. This was two thousand and six or seven,
Speaker 8: I think, and he was really harping on about this
Speaker 8: whole technocracy thing that we see coming on now and
Speaker 8: all the films. We watched Blade Runner as well, but
Speaker 8: all the films were very similar to the stuff we're
Speaker 8: talking about here. So yeah, shout out to I forget
Speaker 8: the professor's name.
Speaker 1: Have you seen the Demon Seed.
Speaker 8: I've foreseen that like screenshots or something.
Speaker 1: I did a ten minute funny breakdown of it that
Speaker 1: Oh that's what I saw. I saw your videos. It's
Speaker 1: worth watching. It's actually an AI that kind of wants
Speaker 1: to incarnate the antichristis pretty wild, okay, and it's funny.
Speaker 1: It's like one of those you know, funny Arnold.
Speaker 8: Is it like End of Days or something. I don't
Speaker 8: think I watched that one.
Speaker 1: I know he did End of Days is another Arnold
Speaker 1: like hoot. It's a hoot, He's like, it's basically Arnold
Speaker 1: beating the devil. It's ridiculous.
Speaker 8: There's something that like Arnold early nineties Arnold and eighties
Speaker 8: Arnold is always futter to watch. There's just something that's
Speaker 8: like funered, like when he's just freakishly jacked. I don't know,
Speaker 8: but later on Arnold when he when he when he deflates,
Speaker 8: for some reason, it's not as entertaining when he isn't
Speaker 8: like a freaking free.
Speaker 1: Low energy on a low energy when he deflates, he's
Speaker 1: low low energy. Uh or yeah, all.
Speaker 8: I doesn't done anything a while.
Speaker 1: No, that last Terminator was awful. He was He played
Speaker 1: Carl the Cuck who was a blind like you sold blinds.
Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, somebody mentioned one of the best mind
Speaker 8: control movies this Zolander.
Speaker 1: Yes, I need to add that to the I got
Speaker 1: a list of about thirty mind controls to do.
Speaker 8: I'd say that Zoolander is probably one of my favorite
Speaker 8: stupid comedy movies. As like a kid, I think I
Speaker 8: was like thirteen fourteen when I came out fifteen.
Speaker 1: I have natural I have resting faced blue steel yeah, you.
Speaker 8: Do, you do? I just I love what Hansel when
Speaker 8: he's telling his story about Peote, he's telling his trip report. Yeah,
Speaker 8: then I realized I've never even been the Mount Vesuvius.
Speaker 8: I found myself falling.
Speaker 1: Ah.
Speaker 8: Yeah, did you see the second Zoolander? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I actually thought it was good.
Speaker 8: It was pretty funny, and it was it wasn't.
Speaker 1: And I had the the whole like Hollywood MK ultra
Speaker 1: satanic cult.
Speaker 8: Yes, yeah, and Kyle Mooney was in it, who used
Speaker 8: to be really funny until Saturday and at Night Live
Speaker 8: destroyed his career. Him and Beck Bennett were freaking hilarious
Speaker 8: due they were like the original YouTube comedy.
Speaker 14: Yeah, inside so inside, so exactly inside his skits man
Speaker 14: and then his stoner skits where he's like he's like
Speaker 14: a pothead pothead.
Speaker 1: He's always talking about weed.
Speaker 8: Yeah but he's but he doesn't really smoke weed, and
Speaker 8: he just tries to act like he's cool. And that's
Speaker 8: those skits are so funny. And then sn L got
Speaker 8: ahold of him and ruined his career. And what is
Speaker 8: he doing now?
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm there are some of his skits on
Speaker 1: SNL that are good. They're not all five years.
Speaker 8: Beck Bennett was funny too, but they just got him.
Speaker 8: They just made him play putin and with his shirt off,
Speaker 8: and that's.
Speaker 1: All right. So the next next to our chat is
Speaker 1: uh in Jesus, Christ In Christ, Our Lord twenty dollars.
Speaker 1: Great work for you to question. For Little Aids, what
Speaker 1: are some of the Orthodox books that you've read, Little Aids?
Speaker 1: And for both of you, out of ten, how would
Speaker 1: you rate both these movies? The first question to you,
Speaker 1: Tristan is what are some of the Orthodox books that
Speaker 1: you read that you liked? All right?
Speaker 8: You right here recommend well. I haven't read every page
Speaker 8: of Saint John of Damascus, but Sat John Damascus very good,
Speaker 8: the Seraph and Rose. The first one I read was
Speaker 8: God's Revelation with Human Heart, and then after that I
Speaker 8: read Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future, and then Genesis,
Speaker 8: Creation and Early Man and that was what convinced me
Speaker 8: essentially to become Orthodox. So I read those and then
Speaker 8: also Orthodox Dogmatic theology is another good one. What was
Speaker 8: the book that father off I'll give us about Wounded
Speaker 8: by Love? Wounded by Love is a really good one.
Speaker 8: Jessica and the kids have read, but I didn't read
Speaker 8: it with them, Saint John the Wonder Worker, those all recommended.
Speaker 8: Else Yeah, no, there's nothing that I well, some of
Speaker 8: them are, say Maximus the Confessor was a little bit
Speaker 8: like heavier and a little bit more difficult. But I
Speaker 8: really enjoyed that. And then also there's another one Loski.
Speaker 8: It was the Lostky book, two Lostky books, and both
Speaker 8: of those three Mystical Theology of the of the Eastern Church.
Speaker 8: That was Mystical Theology the Church. You know, those were good.
Speaker 8: Those are heavy. I read them about a year and
Speaker 8: a half ago.
Speaker 1: There they are.
Speaker 8: Yeah. So that that book right there took me about
Speaker 8: a month to read because there was just so much.
Speaker 8: I had to do more research while I was reading
Speaker 8: it to catch up on some of the themes. But
Speaker 8: that that cleared up a lot for me. But I
Speaker 8: mean I can't I couldn't sit here and summarize it
Speaker 8: for you because it was a year and a half.
Speaker 8: I know that I read its cool.
Speaker 1: So on on a one to ten scale, what do
Speaker 1: you give Jacob's ladder and total recall?
Speaker 8: Jacobs ladder one to ten, I give it like six
Speaker 8: and a half d mt hits total recall, I give
Speaker 8: it nine out of ten Sharon Stone kicks to Arnold
Speaker 8: Schwarzenegger's Testy Cows.
Speaker 1: I would give both movies a seven. I'm going to
Speaker 1: say they're both seven. They're different. They both have similar
Speaker 1: themes with the mind control and psyche and all that.
Speaker 8: But when I give Total Recall a nine, it's not
Speaker 8: like it's a great film. It's just so entertaining and stupid.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just as the film overall, it gets a seven.
Speaker 1: But for entertainment, I would agree with Tristan that it's
Speaker 1: a nine. It's a hoot.
Speaker 8: You can rewatch it and laugh. It's like a good
Speaker 8: movie if you, I don't know, it's just if you
Speaker 8: want to laugh with some friends. It's a great movie.
Speaker 1: Jacob's latter is not a movie you're gonna rewatch it.
Speaker 1: It's not a fun movie. Alt Monarchists for two dollars
Speaker 1: review Stalker. Yes, I know I gotta do Tarkowski. I
Speaker 1: actually wrote a bunch of notes on Rubelov and then
Speaker 1: I got to where I was about to do Stalker
Speaker 1: and something happened. So I apologize. I know that that
Speaker 1: I'm really slacking by not doing that, But we will eventually.
Speaker 1: Just like the other requests, there are some big ones
Speaker 1: I've not done. I know it's a big empty spot
Speaker 1: in my film repertoire Jerry Jerry Dingis. We got the
Speaker 1: mister dingas here, biggots and nerds, a match made in
Speaker 1: on Tick Wilderness. We do live in an ontic wilderness
Speaker 1: and this is a match made in the heaven of
Speaker 1: on Tick Wilderness. That's the biggots together with the nerds. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of overlap.
Speaker 8: I think there's a lot more nerds right now than
Speaker 8: I gotta see up four hundred and thirty eight. Every
Speaker 8: once in a while we'll pull in four to thirty,
Speaker 8: but only if there's someone else coming on a street.
Speaker 8: We're in the we're in that two hundred range, and
Speaker 8: YouTube's trying to get us in the zero range as
Speaker 8: soon as possible.
Speaker 1: Everybody be sure that, yeah, go support Tristan. Subscribe if
Speaker 1: you're not over subscribed, over at a problem Edge. I've
Speaker 1: got his link there in the show description, So be
Speaker 1: sure and hook up with Tristan. Bounteous no Jack Jack
Speaker 1: for three dollars says, if I can affect the way
Speaker 1: people think and feel by what I think and feel,
Speaker 1: is it because of demons? Do I need to see
Speaker 1: a priest or do prayers often? No, I mean you
Speaker 1: could just have a persuasive personality that affects the way
Speaker 1: people think and feel that doesn't necessarily have to be demonic.
Speaker 1: Do I need to see a priest or do prayers often?
Speaker 1: I would say, do both. How's that Bounteous an Orthodox
Speaker 1: priest not.
Speaker 8: A Roman Bunant priest anyways.
Speaker 1: Not a Roman priest An orthodoxers Bounteous five dollars. Did
Speaker 1: you notice the red pill? Yes? Thank you. Tristan brought
Speaker 1: up the red pill that the recall guy offers to Arnie.
Speaker 1: Carnivore alliance six fifty one of Tristan's biggots in the chat.
Speaker 1: Maybe off topic, but picnic and hanging rock. I think
Speaker 1: the secret to it is some carnivorous plant hermaphrodite venus
Speaker 1: satan ufo. Okay, did you lost me?
Speaker 8: There?
Speaker 1: He went offensive.
Speaker 8: The carnivore alliance is always coming with the the like like,
Speaker 8: what did they call that back in the day that
Speaker 8: remember that.
Speaker 1: Channel is the stream of consciousness.
Speaker 8: Streamline, syncralstic, remember those channels twostic?
Speaker 1: Yes, Lauren Cobleman, the synchro mystic.
Speaker 8: Yep, yeah, he's kind of like like that. He's when
Speaker 8: you talk to him, he's more coherent, but he likes
Speaker 8: to uh. He goes into the I think I think
Speaker 8: it's got a while to mate.
Speaker 1: The stream of consciousness going on in the chat, So
Speaker 1: we welcome that. You can. You can send six dollars
Speaker 1: fifty stream of consci all day long. I will listen.
Speaker 8: Janie Sophia twenty dos the movie he says, He says,
Speaker 8: Picnic can hang your rocks the movie Okay, I got
Speaker 8: that actually just.
Speaker 1: The rest of it where I was lost. But Janie
Speaker 1: Sophia twenty dollars. Apologies if you've already covered this, but
Speaker 1: Jacob's Ladder had toll House. Yes, we covered Soul after
Speaker 1: Death the Surf and Rose book in relation to Jacobs
Speaker 1: along the right track there, Jennie.
Speaker 8: To the person who asked, I also read that book,
Speaker 8: and I would recommend that one too. That's a really
Speaker 8: good one. I recommended that to several people. I think
Speaker 8: it's very useful.
Speaker 1: And thank you for that fat super chat twenty whole bucks.
Speaker 1: Appreciate that. Dell Bridge for five dollars. Jay and Tristan,
Speaker 1: how are you? I'm great? How are you do?
Speaker 8: I'm better?
Speaker 1: Than Jay. Is it possible that you could better at
Speaker 1: being worse? Yes, you are better at being worse than
Speaker 1: me totally. Is it possible that both of you could
Speaker 1: review Kurt Vonnegut's Harrison berger And film and In and
Speaker 1: In Time starring justin Wait.
Speaker 8: Oh, you told me what you told me last night
Speaker 8: to watch that in Time Justin Timberlain.
Speaker 1: Well, I've seen In Time with Amber Amanda Seyfried and
Speaker 1: Justin Timberlake. That's a good dystopian movie. But Kurt Vonnegut's
Speaker 1: Harrison Bergeran film, Okay, now I'm not familiar with that one.
Speaker 1: In Time is good. It is a dystopia that you
Speaker 1: could do and announces of Yes, lastly, God bless both
Speaker 1: of you. Well, thank you, Dell Bridge much appreciate it. Wet.
Speaker 1: What a total spas all right, speaking of nineteen nineties,
Speaker 1: I mean, these are two nineties movies. That's a great
Speaker 1: nineties slang. It's such as spas. Why are you such
Speaker 1: as spazd We should do a Holly Schorn That was
Speaker 1: the nineties spurg is a spas.
Speaker 8: Right, spaz for sure?
Speaker 1: Yeah. The nineties version of a Sperg nowadays was a spas.
Speaker 8: Absolutely anyway, insight. Hey, I appreciate that I just wrote
Speaker 8: that down. Thank you.
Speaker 1: Well, I fooled those. So keep a notebook handy because
Speaker 1: you can just transcribe for me. You can be a
Speaker 1: little secretary. That's work for you.
Speaker 8: I'd be honored to be your little secretary. I really
Speaker 8: like the way you said that. It makes me feel
Speaker 8: very little aids, little.
Speaker 1: Aids, little secretary. You could just transcribe the proverbs all
Speaker 1: day long. All Right, we're having fun. But his name
Speaker 1: is Tristan and he is the head honcho over at
Speaker 1: vegan Alliance dot com. Just kidding, the head honchho over
Speaker 1: at Primal Edge Health. You can follow him by clicking
Speaker 1: the channel in the show description that is called Primal
Speaker 1: Edge Health. And he would love to have you. He's
Speaker 1: been doing some really funny streams. He's doing a call
Speaker 1: in thing. I want to ask you. I tried the
Speaker 1: calling thing a couple of times. That kind of got
Speaker 1: on my nerves. Are you having fun with Collins?
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 8: That's my favorite.
Speaker 1: I did.
Speaker 8: I did Collins like a few years back when YouTube
Speaker 8: first came out, but it was like I was more careful.
Speaker 8: But now, yeah, I just I open up the open
Speaker 8: up the zoom and it's fun.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 8: I mean we get friendlies like I don't know. I
Speaker 8: just like talking to people. Man, I can talk to anybody.
Speaker 8: I ain't talk to anyone, So I invite any anybody
Speaker 8: if you don't, if you want to chat, or if
Speaker 8: you just want a debate. I keep trying to get
Speaker 8: these vegans to come and debate, but none of them will.
Speaker 13: Because you're just going to go slow and mutus.
Speaker 8: I mean, she's either welcome to calling, but she won't.
Speaker 8: These people, they like to throw their stones from the distance.
Speaker 1: Jay.
Speaker 8: Before we at the end, I wanted to ask you,
Speaker 8: have you gotten this book yet? No?
Speaker 1: Everybody saw need to get it though.
Speaker 8: I'll send you that's classes new book just published, like
Speaker 8: last or two months ago, maybe the Great RECOVID nineteen,
Speaker 8: the Great Reset. I'll send you the PDF.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I check.
Speaker 8: It's very blatant. Okay, Yeah, so it's.
Speaker 1: Gonna tell us the whole spiel. We got another super
Speaker 1: chat three dollars from Julio. He says, chain Link Crypto
Speaker 1: is to the Moon. I'll have to check that out.
Speaker 1: But except I don't want to go to the moon.
Speaker 9: I want to go to Mas.
Speaker 1: Good to Crypto to Mas. We don't want to go
Speaker 1: to the moon.
Speaker 8: You know, it's like the only three planets I mentioned
Speaker 8: was Mars, Venus and Saturn. In they kept saying you
Speaker 8: should go to Saturn instead Saturn.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I had a Saturn note. Good point. Thank
Speaker 1: you forgot that. All right, everybody, have a good night.
Speaker 1: I hope you enjoyed tonight's show. Be sure and like it,
Speaker 1: share it, tell a comment below if I missed anything.
Speaker 1: We always have good comments from the movie audience telling
Speaker 1: me the details that I missed. And we look forward
Speaker 1: to the next stream. We'll be doing some psycho hot
Speaker 1: stuff and I'll be doing more spooktober. I'm sure Tristan
Speaker 1: and I can come up with some more mind control
Speaker 1: and spook.
Speaker 8: We've got clockwork Orange on the list. I mean, we
Speaker 8: mentioned also that Philip K. Dick one Scanner Darkly, a
Speaker 8: Lone Skanner Darkly.
Speaker 1: We'll do some more m ks for sure. All have
Speaker 1: a good night.
Speaker 8: Well maybe maybe Jay you can come on and we
Speaker 8: can do