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in the incremental slow, killed babing an approach to bring
technocracy into being. So they're not going to send homeland
security troops to round you up and put you in
a FEMA camp.
Speaker 6: They'd much rather remote everybody being in video games, the Disney.
Speaker 1: Gulog, the virtual reality gulog, all this kind of stuff
is in much better FEMA camp in your home. They
don't need the FEMA camp. It's it's too messy, it's
a big ordeal, and it's all the nonsense of all
the patriot crap on the radio.
Speaker 7: That's not gonna happen.
Speaker 1: They don't need to the shadow of the global government
is already here. And as we said that it's in
the latter stages of the mopping up process to move
it into the next phase, i e. Between two ages
of the next page.
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history when you divorce anthropology from this kind of a
revealed framework that we're going to talk about, what you
get is basically disaster, and you get things like reductionistic
materialism and so forth that ultimately wipe out the notion
of where it is to be human person. And when
there's no notion of a human person, than things like
free will, delition, these all all the way by the wayside,
because they're ultimately a looser. If the world is a
determined materialistic process, then free will is a laser, and
so is consciousness.
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Speaker 1: If only your antics were live. Ah, there we go.
Speaker 7: Let me make yours.
Speaker 1: So you can once again be a star like you
want to be.
Speaker 8: Star. That's all I got. I'm a big, bright, shining star.
What's that?
Speaker 1: What movie is that?
Speaker 4: From?
Speaker 1: What Bogie Nights?
Speaker 7: Oh?
Speaker 1: I don't even remember that.
Speaker 8: Hear that? It's like I'm a star. I'm a big
right shining star. It's got like this crazy mom. That's
actually a decent movie for being such a big getre.
Speaker 1: There we go. Now we can see beautiful glowing faces.
I can never get the light right in here.
Speaker 8: The thing is, no matter how much you wipe the camera,
you can't wipe the ugly at.
Speaker 1: It you know you're talking about on your screen?
Speaker 8: Ooh, burn, what's happing?
Speaker 1: Make sure I got the right crap turned on here?
Multi output? Yeah, there we go. All right, we finally
got it going. I'm always late as usual. You can
always count on me to be consistently late, with Madman
Tristan joining us two hundred and eighty nerds as we
start to Night's break down. He's losing it, Tristan. The
vegans are triggered this week, dude, this.
Speaker 8: Has been like, this is probably one of the most
hardcore vegan triggering weeks ever and we didn't We only
talked to that guy for like less than two minutes.
He didn't even debate. But there's still miss man. It's
like a like we you know, swatted a wasp's nest
or something they're swarming, and.
Speaker 1: He's tagged you like every day, like ten times a day,
and everything he posts this.
Speaker 8: Has to remind me how much he owned me, right, Like,
that's why he That's why he hasn't tagged me twenty
times and dm me constantly twitter tagging. I blocked him
on Twitter and Instagram, so I was just sick of
the tagging and the DM But yeah, yeah, I'm not
really sure what his narrative is now. But I haven't
watched any of his videos, but I think he's made
about three videos in the last few days. I think
there's he's done like ten hours of streaming about our well,
like ten minutes that he was even on my live stream.
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe he did a six hour stream immediately
after leaving our little tip protect like, you don't have
nothing else going on that you're going to spend six
hours talking about the ten minutes that we interacted. And
you said that that a logic, that a informal fallacy
is not a logical fallacy, which is pretty funny.
Speaker 8: Well, I mean, I don't get it, man. You did it.
You ask him if he had any education. He basically
said no.
Speaker 1: Uh, I googled.
Speaker 8: I googled it.
Speaker 1: He literally said, he googled it.
Speaker 8: I googled something, dude. I that was one of the
strangest encounters I've had with a vegan yet. And the
fact that he was so he was so adamant that
he wanted to come and debate me, and he was taunting.
He made like three taunt videos and I was I
didn't even watch the top videos. I was gonna watch
them with him so we could respond to like whatever,
you know, straw Man. He tried to pull yeah, but
he didn't. He didn't even want to bring an argument.
I don't I don't really understand, but I guess what
I'm seeing from the vegan comments after the fact, is
the narrative that's being woven is we pushed that we
were so scared of Ask yourself. We were just so
afraid of the.
Speaker 1: Debate that we were scared.
Speaker 8: We're so scared even though we've already debated, ask yourself.
And he's been begging for he's been begging for a
rematch for what two years now, ask yourself? And that's
because he knows he won, right, you beg for a
rematch and because you know you won. But yeah, what
was I gonna say? There was a Oh, the narrative
seems to be that I'm getting from the vegans. The
message seems to be that I'm bald, bald man bad
seems to be the main argument, and the other arguments
are I muted him in our debate. We didn't even debate.
I muted him because he was saying nothing, and he
kept saying, oh, well, so you're cooking out, You're gonna
cook out, You're gonna woos out, and I'm just like, dude,
you're fucking muted. So anyways, I was muting him even
though we weren't even debating. And I guess that was
that that made me lose the debate that didn't even happen.
The delusion is just next level right now. I don't
really know how to keep up, but it's exciting, you know.
I'm glad to be on their minds. We got some
super fans. It seems most of my super fans are
from the vegan the vegan world. But yeah, we'll see
what happens maybe.
Speaker 2: Though.
Speaker 8: I did three nights in a row of open lines
and not a single vegan called in.
Speaker 1: I thought you call in, didn't you have one?
Speaker 8: You're right one? But she was really cool.
Speaker 1: She was okay. By the way, thank you for that
fat super chat you did the last stream. I was
starting to get a really neck crick headache going as
kind of part of the reason I cut that stream quick.
I did some other things that had to go do,
but just testing it out. Look at that. That was
that last super chat we got from old Trist himself.
Speaker 8: Good old Trists, old bald ass Trist.
Speaker 1: And bald as Trist And who is nutrient nutrient deficient
from his meat serial killer Hannibal elector diet Yes, and
all the vegans are buff and.
Speaker 8: Strong and vegans No, there's no, it was amazing. Is
there's no such thing as about vegan right, there's not
not a single.
Speaker 1: I mean Herrench one inch herbivor. I keep calling him
inch herbivor, but that may be construed as a penile attack.
But one INTIVORTI war. He has a bald head as
far as I could tell, I mean maybe.
Speaker 8: No, no, but that's but no, that's different.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 8: And also doctor Gregor right there, Uh, that's different. That's uh,
that's from nutrient optimization and high testoster minds from cholesterol
and lack of lack of veganism and lack of logic,
lack of love and denial of science. Right that these
are the arguments that you have.
Speaker 1: You have hannibal le tourism in you.
Speaker 7: That's right.
Speaker 1: I got the elect electarian, I.
Speaker 8: Got that the meat.
Speaker 1: They like the.
Speaker 8: I don't know at this point. I will wait it
out and we'll see if these people want to call in.
I mean that that did still welcome, will come on.
Whatever that fact's name was listening vegan logic after his
real name. But he's welcome to come on. You can
come and debate anytime, like I do, open do open,
what's called open lines. I'll do another open lines probably
next weekend. So any any vegans, you guys want to
come in, you guys want to debate, or if it's
just you know, friendly.
Speaker 1: The girl, the girl that we were laughing at calling
Marina Abramovic's Marinka Abronkovich's daughter. She messaged me, but Jinaka
had messaged me too.
Speaker 8: She she emailed me and she came on.
Speaker 1: She was the one who came on. Is she the
one that came on?
Speaker 8: Yeah? She was. Actually she was actually pretty cool, like
she was, uh, she was mellow. We talked about I mean,
I disagree with her. I think she's kind of illusional
about some things. I think she's completely wrong about a
lot of things. No, she was not psychotic, and she
was was she was amiable and she could have a conversation, right,
So she got more balls than lifting vegan logic. Which
the way that he did it was just so funny.
The way he did that. This dude knew damn well
that we are never like, we're not about to debate.
Ask yourself again unless there's some extreme circumstance to make
it extra worth it and extra entertaining. But there's no
point in it, right, and he's not welcome here. I
know he's been stalking you for two years.
Speaker 1: I got it.
Speaker 8: I had to block him on YouTube, Instagram, I think
Twitter as well, just because the incessant tagging and trying
to challenge me to rematches. So what's his face? New
that we weren't about to have ask yourself on yet
he brought him. Anyways, I just thought it was funny.
It's kind of like when like a you know, like
sixth grade or something.
Speaker 2: Like.
Speaker 8: It's like he's like he picked a fight and then
trying to bring his big brother to the fight. But
his big brother is a giant pussy also, so it's
it's kind of, yeah, it didn't really work out.
Speaker 1: Mine than you.
Speaker 9: It's wide and it's strong, gut.
Speaker 10: I go.
Speaker 1: Inch King war. By the way, shout out to Mark Passio.
Speaker 8: Shout Mark Passio. When you when you're coming on, man,
that's that's the next one. Let's get the Mark Passio debate.
Speaker 1: Mark. Come on.
Speaker 8: We know you're you're huge fans, uh, come on you.
We can debate your natural law or free Masonic law,
or your great work or your widow's son's peak or whatever.
It's a great work on the widow's peak of your
widows son's peak or your uh, you can bring your
two ball cane and your I don't know you can.
You can even wear your cute little skirt thing, your
gay little skirt where you have your holies of holies
underneath it, as you call it. You got your two
bull cane underneath that.
Speaker 9: That's a two ball candy. Okay, you know you you
have no idea how.
Speaker 8: Strong I am on a vegan dying.
Speaker 9: I want to find out.
Speaker 8: Come on, dude, be best discovery ever. Though, maybe we
should just watch that right now. Mark Passio's got a band.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you can play his musical copyright strike.
Speaker 8: You can't copyright strike. If you play his music, it's
not copyrighted.
Speaker 1: But if you play somebody's clip, they can let it
be known.
Speaker 8: That Jaydre is afraid to play.
Speaker 9: But let it be the Jay.
Speaker 1: Look, I'm aggressive. I'm a Passio, aggressive.
Speaker 8: Male Passio the bomb. I don't know the I don't
really see any other vegan debates on the horizon. There's
no legitimate debaters out there in the vegan world. Like
their best thing is vegan game and ask yourself. They
think that that's like the cream of the crop.
Speaker 1: So you know, Tristan, really, when I was able to
google a little bit and I ran a bunch of
scientific papers and I realized that they're pure reviewed, and
then I just signed that I had an only fans account.
It was just sitting there, and so didn't he put
his junk on only fans? Now?
Speaker 8: He did? He did? I mean that's according to a
screenshot of Twitter.
Speaker 1: H no, I'm talking about you did it wrongs video.
I'm gonna go look at began gains is vegetables.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I have Fortunately I have not
seen it yet, but he had not yet, but I
don't plan on seeing it at all. But yeah, I
guess he did. He's he's gone next level. He's got
full social media fentanyl on it. He's up on the
only fans. Oh man, I just imagine. I can't imagine
doing that.
Speaker 1: I think that you kind of got to the bottom
of it when you've met many times the fact that
a lot of the people who grew up that age
of the millennial and younger, they have been just raised
on devices and so everything is on the table, everything
is normalized basically.
Speaker 8: Yeah, Well, then even the social interactions are just so fake,
and I mean, imagine, so we pulled that vegan on
the other day up until the ask yourself to backle
and then the stupid Weasley games he tried to play.
When that happened, I would say we were pretty dang
kind to him, and you know, I was asking him questions,
trying to get him loosened up. But he's just sitting
there looking around, looking at his phone. That that's I mean,
I think he's like twenty two, twenty one years old.
He's really young. That's that generation man, Like half of
that generation are just zonked, just zonked, pilled out, nothing
in their head except vanity pride, and it's just it's.
Speaker 1: Sad man and the never ending quest to become a
Nissa Leb.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Yeah, Well it was funny. I made fun of him
because he he had that little faded beard. He had
this like Jersey shore, you know, like took him three
hours to trim his beard. I made fun of him,
but then he he tried, he tried to. I guess
he interpreted as I was talking about his hairdoo, and
he was very adamant at pointing out that my lack
of hair, right so the bald man bad. So I
just it's so funny to me, how like the arguments
are basically new. It's just it's just you're baldman bad,
You're bad, You're a murderer, and that's it. I I
don't know, I don't know what other vegans are there.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: I had a similar experience this week too with the
attempt at trying to organize debates with Roman Catholics, Taylor
Marshall's former co Hounk co Honk. I like co I
like co Honk better than co host.
Speaker 8: I'm here with my co hunk j co Honk like
honkler like like a honky.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Tim Gordongu, excuse me, Gordon, not gordong. Tim gordong
Uh was talking smack and initially wanted to do a
debate and said, give me four months. I said four
months to do a debate. I said, dude, I'll debate
this week. No, I want four months. So, as I
was pondering, all right, I might do this, then he
upped the ante and he says, no, it must be
four months, and then must be in person, and you
must fly to random Middle America city and if you don't,
you're scared. So this is dubai.
Speaker 8: We're gonna go a tag hashtag and if you don't
show up, your scirit.
Speaker 1: So do you see the trick here, because so three
Roman Catholics now have done this where it's with William Albrecht,
Trent horn H and then now Timothy Gordong where they
do this thing where they say, if you don't show
up to what I've now up the anti to a
in person debate, you have chickened out and you're scared.
When initially the discussion was do you want the come
on a live stream in the next week or two
to a debate? No, no, no, it has to be
four months or no oh wait no, now it has
to be in person at some random Middle America city.
So what they will do is float the idea, taunt you,
and then when you don't agree to their ridiculous criteria
of how oh it needs to be in person. Meanwhile,
these people debate on YouTube streams all the time every day.
I mean, we've been in a COVID lockdown where these
people are debating every day on live streams, going on
live streaming. Oh but they're too busy to do a
debate unless it's in person four months from now, which
is all just ludicrous. It's all hot air. And the
only reason I bring all that up is this is
exactly what Vegan Logic did, where he knew that we
weren't going to interact with goofus and then, which is
why when I called him out when.
Speaker 8: He's saying, oh, and I saw your debate with Vegan
Games and that other person, and I specifically stopped and
I said, what's the other person's name? Who's the other person? Yeah,
I don't givenybody wants to go back and watch it.
I specifically stopped at them when I said who, and
he made I made him say his name. He said
ask yourself, Oh okay, and then he brings them in.
But it was it was pure, pure games. And as
soon as as soon as it was over, he was
already tagging me and trying to posture like he has
somehow won some battle. It's like, dude, you can still
come on a debate like there's there was no battle
won by you. I mean, I guess maybe maybe there
was no battle lost by you either, depending on who
you asked. But you can just you can come back on, man.
So I don't know, I think it's I think he's
got a little narcissistic wound. I don't think he's ever
debated anybody. He was really, I guess excited for some reason.
He didn't bring an argument. It's like, you don't even
have an argument. And he tried again the thing of oh,
we prepared, we had a whole plan, did you how
much did you? And I planned?
Speaker 1: Jay, I didn't planning anything at all, planned nothing except
except me talk. And I was like, dude, I told her,
I mean, in twenty years, I don't think I've heard
a new atheist type of argument. I don't even remember
the last time I've heard one that was.
Speaker 8: And the only conversation we had was I told you,
you know what, I'm pretty sure he's gonna try to
bring ask Yourself. That'd be really lame if he does.
If he does, we'll just kick Ask Yourself and he
can stay, or we can just you know, we we'll
just keep streaming without the guys that they're going to
play those gay games. And lo and behold, he did
exactly what we predicted.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I knew he was going to bring Ask Yourself
because in the little bit of the videos I'd watched
he was just repeating these kind of really basic level
misunderstandings of the transcetal argument. He was like, you can't
use Chenil argument because like you're just assuming the thing
they're talking about, and so it's not approved. It's just
asserting it. But do you notice when you listen to
Big and Logic talk, he's he's a little like he's
a little bit of another one of these people who
maybe even seems to like he has autism and that
he just kind of like he just sat there scrolling
on the phone like this for like ten minutes.
Speaker 8: Yeah. Yeah, it was very strange.
Speaker 1: And I don't know.
Speaker 8: I mean, if you're gonna come to a debate and
you got no arguments and you're not prepared to debate
at all, and you can't even I thought you were
lifting Vegan logic. I thought you had the points, how
you had to talking points. You were gonna wreck me,
You're gonna destroy me. You still you can still have
a chance, dude, Like you can still come on and
do it, even though you've been sperging out.
Speaker 1: They don't want to debate. They only want to have
drama so that they can claim that you've pulled out
of a debate. Is how many years have I organized
public debates, debated top Muslims, top atheists, you name it.
And then they're playing like.
Speaker 8: Yeah, well, and then now he's saying, oh well, I
demanded debate on a neutral channel, A debate on a
neutral channel.
Speaker 1: What's your response to that? Primal edge health? Why will
you not debate him on a neutral channel?
Speaker 8: Why would Why would I write like I do? I do?
How many streams a week? I've done five streams in
the last like seven days. All those streams are three
to four hours. Like three of those five streams I've
opened up. I've done an open line zoom calls where
anybody could call in right one vingan called in the
whole time, one being called in. The rest were all
friendlies and just people looking for some help. Why would
I not do it on a so called visual platform?
Why would Why would I? What do I have to
gain from going into dating this nobody who's obsessed with
me acting like a like a weird ex girlfriend in
eighth grade.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's got three three thousand subs and he's literally
tagging you like five times a day. It's weird.
Speaker 8: And his argument is now, Oh, I looked at your
metrics and your channel. Your channel has very bad engagement.
And if I had these many viewers exactly, I would
have five billion views if I.
Speaker 10: Had as many of yours as you And your channel
is not popular, and I'm more popular than you.
Speaker 8: And I looked at the back end, and you're not popular,
but I'm popular as if as if the numbers have anything.
You know, half of my audience tells me all the
time that they get auto unsubscribed by YouTube. A lot
of people who've been long term viewers and long term
supporters and super chatters tell me, dude, I've been unsubscribed
four or five times.
Speaker 1: I never getting because.
Speaker 8: It's like and but they're always revealing what they give
a shit about. I want a bit popular. I'm more
popular than you, Like, That's that's what they care about.
They care about the attention, they care about the fake
sense of clout, and they care about the fake ego
game of the online world, which I don't give a
shit about any about any of that. Like, I'll debate anybody, anyone,
if you can come on. I'm not going to prep
for any of your debates, right because the arguments stand
on their own. So anyways, that's that's kind of I
guess a good summary of the last week of vegan
attacks online. Vegans, keep them coming, please.
Speaker 1: Videos our stuff. Tonight we got a nice fat super
chat from Zach. Will read that here in a minute
if you want to support the show. Of course, you know,
stream labs is now the means by which we do
the super chats, and uh that is the link there.
And yes to the people in the chat. If you
remember last year, this month was spook tober A Jason
Aliso somebody covered quite a few spooky things and we
had a lot of fun doing the Lost Boys and
the whole Sexy sax Man. That's a that's gonna be,
I think, a yearly, routine, yearly ceremony where we relive
and replay and sing the Sexy sax Man Lost Boys stuff.
I still believe we're not gonna do that tonight. Yes,
that goofy song in the chat, But tonight we're gonna
be talking about to my control classics ones that I've
been waiting to get to for a long time. And
there's nobody better to get to with than Tristan the
Hannibal Lecter of the Carnosphere. Uh, and we're gonna be
talking about Total Recall and Jacob's Ladder, So I think
it would be fun to start with Do you want
to start with the goofy or the serious?
Speaker 8: I'd rather I think I'd rather start with the serious
than get into the goofy after because I and I've
most recently watched it. Just watched Jacob's Ladder today and
it's the first time with that scrip.
Speaker 1: Let me flip the script over to the heart.
Speaker 8: Flipping, we'd be script flipping, and I was. I was
pretty surprised at how much they put in that that
Jacob's Lack film. There's a lot revealed there, a lot
of real stuff. It seems like the director was rather
close to the material and uh and really cared.
Speaker 1: Well. This is so. I first saw this movie back
when it came out around well, not when it came out,
maybe around high school time. And uh, it was one
of my introductions to m kiltra that and conspiracy theory
with Mel Gibson. So, by the way, we're going to
be doing more spooktober scary streams this week, including serial Killers,
Antichrist movies, Uh, Mike ConTroll more my control movies because
there's a ton of Minkel. There's like thirty Mike control movies.
We'll do them all. But oh, one last weird point,
UH shout out to uh the super fan. We'll call
him Simon. And so I've been getting lengthy emails from
from a mega encyclopedic film buff, Simon. I don't know
who Simon is, but he's sent me some really awesome,
in depth lists of movies that he uh thinks are
really poignant in terms of conspiracy stuff, and they're real obscure.
A lot of these are like seventies movies I've never
heard of, but uh, he really put in the time
to make this huge list of recommended movies. So I
want to give Simon a shout out and let you know, Simon,
whoever you are. Yes, we will comer, Comer, Coomer, we
will coomber. We will cover some of those movies. I'm
busted as I'm a coomber now because I said comer.
We will cover not Coomer, some of those movies in
the next several weeks. It's October. But at one last
weird point about whoever Simon is, I was looking up
these listed films and they just happened to be a
famous director's favorite obscure films, quite a few of them.
So is Simon a secret famous director? I mean it's
probably not, but I like to entertain in my head
that I'm getting fed, you know, movie recommendations from the
top of Hollywood in terms of classic directors. I won't
say who, but we'll we'll let it simmer as if
that's the case. Maybe anyway, for sure, So somebody already dead, Yes,
he's Kuber's not really dead. He's in hiding and he's
he's going by the name of Simon.
Speaker 8: And he's his consciousness was uploaded into the cloud and
that's what's contacting. The AI has become so advanced, the
Kubrick is speaking through it.
Speaker 1: One thing that was neat about this that I do
want to touch on. I'll let you kick it off
on Jacob's ladder what you want to mention first. But
I did not realize until this last view all of
the literary and book references. So there's all of it.
Speaker 8: Yeah, all of that right.
Speaker 1: The beginnings pop up throughout the movie and they give
you a big clue into what it's about. But I'll
let you kick it off here. It's getting too dark
in here. Look like a creeper in here in this
dark room. I have to put some lights on.
Speaker 8: Yeah, man, I think Well, you mentioned literary illusions. One
of the one of the first books that you see
in it is he's reading He's reading The Stranger, yes, Albert,
which is one of the most It's very postmodern The Stranger,
you know, it's kind of an exploration of nihilism and
postmodern bullshit existentialism and kind of like a tome on,
well why not just kill your damn self? I mean,
that's basically the theme of The Stranger is, well, you
might as well just kill yourself.
Speaker 1: Yes, So it's an artistic.
Speaker 8: Way, of course, because that's super artsy.
Speaker 1: Well, it's an immediate, foreboding kind of image that lets
us know where the movie is going to go, right,
So we're already being told from the outset. You know,
this is about death and suicide. So something's going on
here with life and death. That's what the movie is about.
And we don't know if we did he commit suicide?
Is he dead? It's that it's not really about that yet,
but it's just kind of giving you the the ominous
impression that the movie is going to be about death.
And by the way, I was looking up some of
Adrian Lynn's other famous films. He's done a couple of
those kind of crappy erotic dramas like Indecent Proposal, fatal
Attraction type stuff, which Fail Attraction I think is kind
of a famous movie. I'm not really into that kind
of stuff. But he did this version to so Kubrick's Lolita,
and then he did the Flashdance, which is an odd one,
and Jacob's Ladder. So not a whole lot of esoteric
precedent for Adrian Lynn films, but we do have over
four hundred nerds tonight. Welcome everybody. You can support the
show with super chests. But so nineteen ninety, this was
a weird time in movies. We're getting towards the end
of the eighties and the onset of the action hero, right,
so this is when action hero movies are really going
to kick.
Speaker 8: In nineteen ninety and both of these movies were nineteen ninety.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this was a weird year for movies. I mean,
it's funny to watch Total Recall, by the way, and
think about that being the big summer blockbuster. I don't know,
I crack up, Like I think Total Recalls hilarious. Every
time I watch it.
Speaker 8: I laugh more so funny.
Speaker 1: And to think that this was like the big summer
blockbuster movie.
Speaker 8: Do you think people were laughing in the theater like.
Speaker 1: Now, No, I think people looked at it like it was,
you know, an action blockbuster, right, so it was like,
you know, whoa dude, Arnold kicking butt, you know that
kind of a thing. Because scene, Yeah.
Speaker 8: I thought it was really interesting. The opening scene, it's
kind of, uh, you have these these helicopters coming in
and they're they're carting in. You can't really tell what
it is that they're carrying. There's something that they're hanging below,
and it's kind of this visual symbol of the fall
almost right. I mean you have you have these helicopters
coming down from the sky and then they're flying over
this lake or you know, a body of water. You
can see the reflection, and the reflection is a really
big Windows are very big motif in this in the film.
Reflections and windows and which is similar to the Total
recall a lot of multi dimensional aspects to it. The
question of whether or not this is a real reality Yeah,
exactly like that matrix type.
Speaker 1: Yeah, mirrors are mirrors are often associated with the psyche,
So definitely gonna be relevant in both these movies. And
I'll so I like the setting as Vietnam because if
you remember the the Douglas Valentine book about the Phoenix Program,
we think that, you know, perhaps there's something related to
Phoenix program here and that will actually come up later.
Now they don't mention dougas Valentine's book, but they do
intimate and hint at it being the Phoenix Program, and
not just that.
Speaker 8: It's a crazy scene. Like the first scene is nuts.
I mean, there's these soldiers, they're hanging out, they're joking
with each other, ra can lose jokes, and then all
of a sudden they're engaged in a battle to get ambushed.
But there's something else that happens. There seems to be
some sort of like almost like an electromagnetic weapon type
you think here, and they all start crying out.
Speaker 1: Later and they go into this kind of like disturbia,
you know, kind of agitated, almost a possessed type of state,
and we later find out that there was an experimental
drug used called the Ladder. So Jacob's Ladder is actually
a name for this experimental drug that the chemist will
later say sends you straight down the ladder to the
bottom pits of hell, namely the deepest parts of the psyche,
where the most primal drives are rape, just pure rage
and sort of demonic fervor. And that's why we would say, Okay,
so this does fit into the Phoenix program, because the
whole purpose of the Phoenix program, the real thing, was
to create literal, sociopathic psycho serial killers, and they use
Vietnam as this test bed to terrorize Via Kong. And
then this is dreamt up by the Cia William Colby,
I think, in the Valentine book. And then the you know,
Dave mcgallan's thesis is that some of these guys may
have come back to the US, and that's where we
get some of these serial killers, is that they were
perhaps involved in these kinds of programs anyway. But yeah,
so we're watching Tim Robbins kind of meander about New
York and go about his day and he's having these flashbacks, right,
so we know that it's to do with drugs, and
like Tristan said, he flashes back to this what we
think is a traumatic experience that maybe in the past
when he's you know, in Vietnam, and now it's you know,
early mid eighties or sometime. It looks kind of eighties.
I don't I guess it's supposed to be nineteen ninety,
but they don't really sell say the date. It's just
after his Vietnam period. But the first thing he sees
after you see the Camu book is he looks on
the wall and the subway and he's stuck in the
Simpty subway and he tries to walk up a different
exit and it's boarded up. He can't get out, so
he's stuck in the underworld. And he looks over at
this billboard and it says welcome to Hell, or you're
in Hell, or New York as Hell.
Speaker 8: It's just as hell. He in something about drugs after
a fire, and we'll see if I can find the
hell here it is. I can't try hell. That's what
life can be doing drugs. But it doesn't have to
be that way. Help is available day or night.
Speaker 1: Drug So the drug reference makes it even more relevant
because he's struggling with these these flashbacks. Because of this,
we think this terrible you know, component, and then he
sees these hobo demons. He sees a hobo demon with
a tail. By the way, hobo demons comes up a lot,
and you know, John Carpenter, David Lynch.
Speaker 8: Yeah, we just talking about that. One of the other stream.
Speaker 1: He sees the train passengers as demons, remember this. He
looks and he sees like demons and demonic faces in
the in the train car that goes and they.
Speaker 8: Just kind of stare at him, right, they just kind
of everything seems to be glaring at him and reflecting
back in him. But then he keeps, he keeps switching up.
He's he's super disorient He can't tell whether he's in
a dream or reality, can't tell whether he's living in
a flashback or living in the present time. And he's
lost in time exactly.
Speaker 1: He's starting to dissociate and lose track of when.
Speaker 8: And where he is right and a lot of the
dissociation is happening surrounding the relationship that he has with
this woman, Jezebel, her jez But they have this interesting
conversation about these biblical names. What do you think about
that scene?
Speaker 1: Well, the movie is gonna be full of these biblical references.
So I'm glad you mentioned that, because you know his
name is Jacob, she's Jezebel. He makes a joke about
Jezebel and kind of that she appears to be the
evil woman who broke up or is somehow involved in
this marriage split, right, because he's got an ex wife
that we find out about. And then Tim Robbins has
this picture of who Macaulay Culkin ironically, and he's lost
his son, right, so we know he's been traumatized by
both Vietnam and the loss of his on. So we
know we're dealing with a guy who's going to damage
traumatized psyche.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: And then we find out that this one, this woman
that's in his life, this girlfriend is you know, intentionally
referred to as Jezebel, as this evil figure, so she's
got something to do with what's going on here. And
he starts having these kind of weird freakouts that she's
a demon or demonic, and it's almost like the names
in the movie are going to start giving you clues
to good guys bad guys.
Speaker 8: Yeah, there's even a scene where they're at that party
and he's drinking and he seems to go into a
kind of a flashback that might have been triggered by
the lights. So there's the strobing lights.
Speaker 1: And the strobing that that's what triggered him, you know, Yeah, so.
Speaker 8: The lights triggered him. So this this idea of multiple
personality disorder, associated identity disorder, what do you want, whatever
you want to call it, that was studied intensely during
the m KL TRA days. You know, you and Cameron
uh and his psychic driving experiments, monarch Inca.
Speaker 1: Search and Cay Delta. Yeah, they're all dealing without you.
Speaker 8: Yeah, So and then he sees these demons copulating kind
of like a similar to My Fear and Loathing in
Las Vegas or Hunter Thompson's visions of you know, just
lizards humping each other's his like tails going around his
girlfriend's legs and stuff. And it's kind of a raunchy
demonic sex scene there. And he's just he's haunted by this,
and he keeps switching back and forth between his old
family but he was that he had during the Vietnam
War or before he went to Vietnam, and then this
new girlfriend. But he's he's so fractured and confused, and
it seems like he's searching for something when he's trying
to figure out what's going on, but he's just lost
in it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you hit it right there. So he's going to
be on a journey, a soul journey. This is not
going to be a journey that is temporal from beginning
to end. It's a cyclical, archetypal journey of the soul
through different experiences that are intended to cure and purge him.
So we'll get to that here in a little bit.
But the first what you mentioned is he sees an incubus.
He sees which is a demon that sleeps with a woman,
essentially controlling copulating with his girlfriend, Jezebel, And this is
where he starts to think something's off, something is wrong.
There are apparently demonic forces in his life that are
causing and triggering and relating to these traumas. So he's
seemingly beginning then to start question things, questioning spiritual things.
And this is where we start noticing more interesting books
popping up. The really weirdest of all, which I never
noticed until this last viewing, was he has right by
his bed the stack of books, one of which is
a Crollian type of a magical text relating to planetary
ritual magic. And it's called the Magical Philosophy Sword and Serpent,
And this is a book about Kabbalistic philosophy relating to
planets and the psyche and ritual magic. So oddly enough
he's got that book. Right next to it is a
book called The Savage God on a study of suicide
in another book called Social Evolution. So right away we're
getting a clue that this movie is going to be
about the esoteric journey of the soul after death. This
is very common in Gnostic traditions. And as I mentioned
to you many times, Tristan, and actually this movie made
me buy the book. I've just ordered Timothy Leary's commentary
on the Tibetan Book of the Dead, which is where
he describes the LSD trip as the Tibetan journey of
the soul. It's the same experience, he thinks, and that's
the key.
Speaker 8: To this movie now, in this film actually has a
lot of similarities. I mean, at least journey has similarities
to the film Enter the Void. Yeah, but that very
hard to watch. I don't know if i'd recommend it.
It's the cinematography is pretty crazy on that film. The
lighting is great. The guy the guy who did the
cinematography is the guy who did Spring Breakers. So it's
got that like that really candy style, pastel style, bright
neon stuff. I think I would recommend it, but it's
very difficult to watch. It is disturbing as heck Entwer
the Void, but it's a similar journey that he goes on,
except this seems to be more kind of like Masonic
and Catholic rather than Eastern. Right, it seems to be
more the idea of purgatory is being excorrected.
Speaker 1: And now he will even come up because yeah, he
as he's reading through all these texts trying to figure
out what's going on, he actually reads Dante's Pergoccio correct.
Speaker 8: And then there's that other book he's got about witchcraft
sitting on the on the table as well, right, it's
like the Witches.
Speaker 1: Oh yes he does, he has a h and I'll
look that book up too, And that is a book
dealing with to husband and wife wickan couple called the
Witch's Bible, The Sabots of Rights, sabots and rights of birth,
death and marriage. And then he's got a book on demonology,
and then he's got a book called Roots of Evil,
and then he's reading through Pregassio. So all those books
are clues telling us what it's going on in this film.
Speaker 8: And the funny now that this film actually does have
similarities to spring Breakers as well, which is another one
we covered. I think we did that on my channel.
This like the weird, the strange, disjointed narrative, the dreamscape
type narrative. I think that spring Breakers actually does have
a lot of similarities to this as well, especially if
you get to the end of spring Breakers and you
realize what was really happening, what these little girls really are.
They're literal demons in the film. Yes, so yeah, I
didn't even think of that. Somebody mentioned spring Breakers in there,
spraying break Forever.
Speaker 1: The basically riff raff character.
Speaker 8: Look at all my ship. I got scar Face on repeat,
I got, I got, I got.
Speaker 1: If you guys like the streams that Tristan and I do,
be sure to go back and watch our backlog. We've
done like ten shows now, so we've got.
Speaker 8: Have to start our own. Like just Jay Interest in
stream channel, we do. Half our episodes are with each other.
Maybe maybe we should do a weekly thing like regular.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I get a lot of great feedback from me
and you, mainly me, but it's a little bit of you.
But that's okay.
Speaker 8: I get mostly feedback about me. People say, well, then
I even.
Speaker 1: Except that it's not even because I'm better, But that's fine. Gabriel,
let's talk about Gabriel, because Gabriel is his chiropractor who
fixes his things that are out of aligne now, alignment.
This is chakra type stuff, right, So so when he's
aligning Tim Robbinson's chakra, it's like opening up these trigger points,
these trigger moments and the fixing of the spine. I mean,
it has that Eastern chakra reference, but it also has
a reference to Gabriel being this kind of guardian angel figure.
Speaker 8: He's basically he says, if anybody told you you're you're
like an angel, like an angel, and he says to him, yes,
all the time, you tell me that all the time,
something like that.
Speaker 1: So guardian Angel appears to him in the form of yeah,
this kind of character that that was a guy that
he you know, confided in, looked up to a healing
agent in his life. His chiropractor.
Speaker 8: But then he also gets triggered into a flashback when
he when he cracks his neck throws him into another spiral.
Speaker 1: And the reason for that is that what we later
find out is that Gabriel is telling him that, like,
I need to fix and purge these areas of your life,
because he says, you're attached and if you have these
attachments when you die, it's going to torment you. And
so you need to be purged of these attachments so
that you can move on and not be tormented. And
so he says this really interesting phrase that the the
demons that are tormenting you are actually for your good
because they're doing this in the long run to purge
you from these attachments. And of course we find out
that his attachment is well, he has many attachments, but
the main one is that he won't let go of
the death of his son.
Speaker 8: Well, he says, it's kind of a relativistic philosophy that
he that he portrays too of almost like, oh, everything
is one kind of thing of you. It's just what
did he say? I think he says, it's all on
how you look at it, right, It's kind of like
it's all just like how you look at it. It
could be angels, it could be demons. It's all just
a matter of perspective.
Speaker 1: Man, that's true. Unfortunately, the film does kind of air
and fall over into the side of the far Eastern
version of things. But I would recommend for those that
are interested just to kind of tie in the Orthodox
element to it, is that if you read Father seffrom
Rose the book The Soul after Death, he will actually
talk about there are some similarities with the Tibetan Book
of the Dead and the Orthodox conception of what happens
after death, and so he will cover this kind of
how we conceive of that there is a journey of
the soul after death and what's called the toll houses
and this kind of stuff. So in a way you
could understand this as a toll house film. I mean, obviously,
again it's kind of paganized and it's not exactly our view.
But the rough idea here is correct that there were
some purgations that he needed to undergo in his afterlife experience.
Speaker 8: And his son, I don't think you mentioned this. The
son is Macaulay.
Speaker 1: Culkin, that is weird, who even claims to have undergone
like mind control. I mean, I'm not saying his clums
are true.
Speaker 8: I don't know, but did he say that? I mean
I saw, yeah, I mean, may have.
Speaker 1: Just been looking for attention. I don't know, but I
think he's had.
Speaker 8: Holy Culchan got real weird the last couple of years.
I don't know, if you've seen his his website, podcast
and stuff. Yeah, yeah, lots of very very strange symbolism there.
He was on Joe Rogan. It was odd to the least.
Remember that he's been through some tough times, man. But yeah,
I don't know. It's just something about McAuley culchan that
is very sad, right seeing him as a little boy,
it's it's really sad, like he just he looks to
me like somebody who's dealing with a lot of pain
at that young age. I think he might be five
or six years old in the film here. Yeah, just
looks like a really abuse little child.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 8: And I can't I don't know. I got a son
who's four years old right now. So it's hard to
see that these little kids in Hollywood getting passed around
in these films and stuff and hanging out with these creepers,
and who knows what's going on on these sets. But
especially when you have these monster films and ship like that,
where there you have kids doing scenes that they're acting
out and ritually involved in scenes that are are things
that they should never be exposed to. And these actors,
as young children child actors, are being exposed to sexuality,
They're being exposed to hyper violence. It's even like these
crazy animatronic monsters in the nineties and eighties films. These
little kids are being traumatized on these sets. And yeah,
I think I think that's something a lot of people
don't think about when you watch these children in these films.
Speaker 1: I wondered about that too, Like what if I mean,
we know that there's instances where films, film studios, production
houses have been used as fronts, cover operations, cutouts, and
then conceivably also for trafficking drug I mean, well they
have been for good cover for trafficking drugs and then
perhaps other things as well, Like you're mentioning, that's definitely bizarre.
Speaker 4: Parents.
Speaker 8: No parents in southern California know what they're doing when
they bring their kid to Hollywood.
Speaker 1: I think that's a good point. Yeah, And some of
those documentaries.
Speaker 8: About an empire. And I didn't grow up in La
but San Diego on an inland empire. There's still, you know,
kids who feed into that system and it's a it's
a strange world. And the parents are the ones who
are complicit.
Speaker 1: They're complicit. There's a one of those documentaries, the one
that was about Hollywood that came out two years ago.
You know what I'm talking about, THEO wanted from the
Hollywood stuff that they suppressed. It came out two years ago.
So so Spotlight is and that the one about Recallolic Church,
and then there's the one about Oh yeah yeah. But
in that one they raised that question that you're making
about how it would appear that the parents are complicit
as well. Absolutely, there's somebody in.
Speaker 8: The Iris's dad. That's a weird situation, man, Philly Ray Cyrus,
And I mean, I don't know. Maybe he was just
a country bumpkin and he didn't know what his daughter
was getting into. Did you watch the did you watch
the Miley Cyrus Joe Rogan conversation.
Speaker 1: I saw about ten or twenty minutes of yeah, where
she was talking about the diet stuff. I watched that
whole clip.
Speaker 8: Yeah, Okay, yeah, there's the I don't know, it's an
interesting glimpse into you know, a Hollywood child actor.
Speaker 1: And I watched you cover it as well.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, it's just her voice, man, the chick's voice.
Speaker 1: Guys in the chat, what's that documentary a couple of
years ago on Hollywood.
Speaker 8: And Creepers, Open Secret? There's open that's it?
Speaker 1: Thank you? So yeah, checked that one out, but.
Speaker 8: So in a few scenes. But it is very It's
striking just seeing his face, little bags under his eyes,
a pale, blondhaired boys. Just I don't know, it just
looks like he's about to cry. It looked it didn't
seem like exactly.
Speaker 1: The the movie. One reason for the similarity to the
LSD trip is could be argued.
Speaker 8: That this, Yeah, Rick Strassman tried to claim that and
was never able to prove it. It's a conjectured was
never able to prove that. But we do know that
the body makes d MT, but we don't know how
it metabolizes it. We don't know much about it, and
they postulated that it was the pineal gland that was
producing it. They never proved it, and the book was
written by maybe we should do an episode on this
but the book by Rick Strassman DMT, the Spirit Molecule.
If you look at the inside jacket cover, it was
the research was sponsored by a little known organization that
maybe some of you have heard of, called the Scottish Rite.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh no, I didn't know that. Wow, okay they
wanted to do. Let's do. I'll tell you what I'm
going to do. I'm gonna get that. I got that
Tim Larry book coming on, the Tibetan Book of the
Dead and LSD, and then I'll read that and then
we'll cover that Spirit Molecule thing.
Speaker 8: Sweet man. I'll try to get a copy of that
book too. I'll see if I can't find a PDF
of it. If anybody out there has a pdf of
I'm sure it's online, I'll be able to find it. Right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's famous book.
Speaker 8: But we should do that book. And what's another psychonaut sir?
Speaker 1: Another sucking book? Well, I have not actually read any
Tim Learry, so I mean, other than the essay and
the couple of books that I've got a couple.
Speaker 8: Of Tim Leary, we could read that book and then
we can look at a few video clips or something too,
or like, oh, I.
Speaker 1: Know what we need to do, Dude, I know that
the Psycho not Book. Do either of Robert Anton Wilson's
books Lu super Rising or that other one.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I've read that he's got pictures in his books too,
so my low IQ can read them. I'll be able
to read them.
Speaker 1: Maybe we can find a picture book version of Just
a little bit of a reminder. I'm going to be
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Speaker 8: That'd be really nice. You could just summarize it for me.
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speak to me and when you when you tell me
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I know that there's I know that there's like at
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Speaker 1: The one thing about here's the thing I didn't understand
about the movie. Maybe you could enlighten me on this one.
So he meets up with that guy with the creepy,
chunky dude. He's like, hey, remember me, I'm Paul your
you know company buddy war buddy guy. By the way,
I'm going to hell. The demons are after me. So
he's like, come meet me at a bar. I'm going
to Hell. And then we start to think, Okay, maybe
Jacob is on his dissent. You know, he's kind of
going deeper and deeper into hades and that the dude
that he meets up with is like, Hey, I've been
looking into Christianity, but it doesn't seem to help me.
You know, I've got this necklace and I've got a bible,
but it's not helping me. And then he walks outside
and his car blows up. I don't understand. And then
you know Jacob is trigger. He sees a quarter. He
tries to pick a quarter and that's what keeps him
from getting in the car. The quarter flies away and
the car blows up. I still don't understand this scene.
Speaker 8: I think it has something to do with the nonlinear
thing that remember they talked about there was a character
that was mentioned earlier in the film who died because
his car exploded. I remember this. I think it was
within the first twenty minutes. And he asked him about character.
There's a character.
Speaker 1: Oh, so they're killing people that are associated with the
company because they might talk about in Keld.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm not sure if it was one of his
buddies or if it was a doctor. I think that No,
it's his doctor, right, wasn't in his doctor? Like he
went in and tried to find his doctor, and they said,
the guy tells me he's dead, you know, he's dead man,
And he's like, what happened is his car exploding? And
he's like what And he tries to go see the doctor.
And the nurse pulls off her hat and there's this
big like growth thing on the back of her head. Yeah,
and it looks like and then the doctor comes out.
He's like, what are you doing here? Hey, the doctor's
not here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's angelot right. So she's a demon right or
or she.
Speaker 8: Was, you know, had some sort of mk ultra mind
chip it or or both.
Speaker 1: I think it's supposed to be a horn. So he's
seeing people with horns and tails.
Speaker 8: And I thought it was a like a scar, like
a weird looked like a cancerous growth like this tumor
coming at her. Don't but I think it had something
to do with that, Like maybe it was a nonlinear
h representation of what happened there. And he was seeing
the doctor get blown up.
Speaker 1: I see. And so then he then he starts thinking that.
He starts getting more paranoid because his buddies who are
going to sue the government for mk ultra abuse, and
they go to George. George Costanza is going to be
his lawyer, and he's like, you don't have a case.
You don't have you know, you don't got nothing, and
so he freaks out and then all of his buddies.
You know, they basically disown him and they don't have
anything to do with him. So now he's getting super
paranoid and he thinks, h you know, they're going to
kill me. And the lawyer says, I looked into you.
You were discharged for psychological issues after wargames in Thailand.
And he's like, no, that's a cover story. That's not
what happened to me. We were experimented on in Vietnam.
Speaker 8: Yep, I would say what I think. One of my
favorite scenes is the revelation of what happened, like when
he's speaking to his friend, his old war buddy, the
hippie guy, and he starts to tell him his story
about how he was arrested for producing LSD. He went
to Rikers Island. Government approached him and told him, if
you go to Vietnam and you work for us, we'll
commute your sentence or we'll basically you won't have to
serve any time. We just need you to come and
work with us and do some of your chemistry. So
he went, and what happened was, he says, he was
involved in experiments trying to find the absolute worst, most
powerful psychotomimetic drugs that will break the psyche of the
user and put them in a state as you mentioned,
of absolute primal terror and fear, and that was the
latter was mentioned at that point. But this was I
mean full on kind of MK Ultra motif here when
he talks about this, especially the you know, the compartmentalization
of it, the getting compromised people, right, the using using
compromised criminals as intelligence assets. All of these tie in
and these are very important as far as espionage geopolitics
goes with blackmail and keeping people quiet, right, and you
want people who are compromised to be working under you
if you're doing experimentation like they were doing and that
they mentioned in this film. And yeah, so it was
basically this guy got got recruited to be an MK
ultra doctor and experiment on soldiers in Vietnam using her drugs.
Speaker 1: And then we find out that this drug BZ, this
is an actual thing that was tested on the soldiers.
So the film is referencing a psycho psychoto mimetic chemical
weapon known as b Z, which is a psychoactive agent
that's supposed to cause this descent into the primal you know,
regions of the psyche or whatever. So now we get
the explanation of what the ladder is. And if you
don't know, of course, this is from Genesis when Jacob
is wrestling with the Angel of the Lord the Logos,
and he well, right before he wrestles, he sees this angel,
and he sees the ladder descending and ascending. He sees
angels descending and descending on this ladder. And then if
you read John one, Jesus says that I'm the latter
that was me that was wrestling with Jacob. And so
it's this means by which one goes from heaven to Earth.
Here it's kind of inverted, and it's the ladder that
will take you the other way down to Hades. If
you've seen the icon of Saint John Clemichus famous Orthodox icon,
you'll notice it's the ladder that's got people climbing the ladder,
and then the demons are trying to pull people off
of the ladder. So again it does touch on kind
of Orthodox thought and imagery here. But I'm glad Tristan
mentioned the mk lt stuff because of course this is
even though the film is not ultimately about Mkultra, it
is dealing with that and exposing that to a degree,
and particularly the probably the Phoenix program because we find
out that they dosed the soldier's food and then the
soldiers ended up going ape and basically cannibalized and went
nuts on each other. So they were going crazy. They
went and they just went into total like you know,
possessed mode, and that that Jewish hippie chemist guy, it's
pretty funny. He was cracking me up. He was like, like,
uh if if Seinfeld was a psycho not, It's like, yeah,
you know, we we we did what we could. You know,
we did what we came. What was I supposed to do?
You know, they they got me, you know, what are
they supposed to do? It's like Woody Allen mixed with uh,
I don't know, like a young, less weird looking wood
and then he yeah. So then they're stuck. Then we think, well,
is he stuck in hell? Because he goes through is
this where he has like his worst That was the
creepiest part of the movie is do you remember when
he was in like the deepest part of hell and
he's like on the the operating table.
Speaker 8: And that creepy doctor is like and his girlfriend's there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, friend is the doctor of the torture woman. He's like,
give me a.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that was that was a very That was a
pretty disturbing scene.
Speaker 10: Man.
Speaker 8: That's one of the scenes when he's walking through the hospital,
when they're wheeling him through the hospital. The cinematogra cinematography
is really good. There's no like, I don't know, I
like these old films better, even total recall.
Speaker 1: Man like yea, even Goofy nineties movies are better than
the ones to Die there's.
Speaker 8: Better, Like, the visual effects are better in Goofy nineties movies.
John Carpenter's visual effects are better than stupid Avatar and
all this gay stuff with the I'm not a big
fan of the CGI that they've got lately.
Speaker 1: No Illinois. But so before we finish with this, one
last point I wanted to make with Jacob's letter and
to ask you is so, Eventually, as you can imagine,
he does let loose his attachment to his dead son.
He overcomes all that, and then he kind of has
this experience of going home. He leaves the weird girlfriend
Jezebel woman, goes back presumably to what he thinks his home,
and this is really Then the staircase, which represents the
ladder to heaven. So he's ascended from the ladder in
the pits of hell, and now he's going back up
the ladder to heaven and he's he's basically saved. And
then we find out your last scene that all of
the movie was like the point of his death, so
his whole life and even perhaps had he made bad decisions,
Like he's even living out kind of what had happened,
bad decisions that he made, re experiencing them, and it's
the soul being then purified to move on to the
next state.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I think the I don't know's it's not
like it's an uplifting film when you when you hear you,
when you hear you say it, it's kind of like,
oh that's kind of nice. Doesn't feel like that when
you watch it.
Speaker 1: It's no, it's a very yeah, disturbedil it's a disturbing.
Speaker 8: Film, disturbing and bleak and dark film. And I mean,
what do you expect from Hollywood?
Speaker 7: Right?
Speaker 8: It's a There are some aspects of it that are redeeming.
The acting is really good.
Speaker 1: It's a.
Speaker 8: I wouldn't watch it.
Speaker 1: I mean, setting aside the moral critiques of Hollywood. I
think it's a really well done movie.
Speaker 8: It's I think it's great it would you watch it again?
Speaker 1: I've watched it like ten times since it came out. Yeah,
it's one of always had just because I thought it
was a relevant movie. But it's not like I don't
like it's hard to watch. In any movie, that's hard
to watch even if I like it, like inl An Empire,
I'm not gonna watch it a lot, but maybe every
four or five it's one of those movies, and maybe
every four or five years I'll go back to it,
but not a lot. You want to move on to
total recall. By the way, it's worth noting that Jacob's
Ladder was a critical success but not a monetary success,
So the movie was a little probably too dark and
weird for mass audience, as it broke even at the
box office, but it did get a lot of critical appraisal.
Speaker 8: I enjoyed it. I don't think I would watch it
too many more times. There's just there's so many films
out there to watch it. I think i'd give it
two doses of BZ out of three doses of BZ.
Speaker 1: I'm going to give it four Joe Rogan DMT hit.
Speaker 8: Out of five nice, so slightly higher than I rated it.
Speaker 1: A little higher. I do think it's good. I give
it like a seven out of ten. But that's to
translate that into normy speak for those of you that
aren't enlightened. Four DMT hits is equivalent to seven out
of ten. But you got to be kind of like
deep and philosophical.
Speaker 8: To get that, which you have to have transcended your ego.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which I don't know if you know about that yet,
But no, they don't.
Speaker 8: They don't. They're just they're just, you know, they're down there.
We're are our egos really tiny? They have really big ones.
Speaker 1: So once again, as you said, nineteen ninety and let's
see if this was as big of a blockbuster as
I remembered or thought.
Speaker 8: What was the budget on it? Because it actually it was.
Speaker 1: This was a huge summer blockbuster. It costs fifty to
sixty million and made two hundred and sixty three million,
so in nineteen ninety money, that was a blockbuster for sure.
Speaker 8: So we got Arnold. I love your your cover image.
You picked one of the best moments in the film there.
Speaker 1: I love that I've always laughed at that. This is
p K D. So we know we're getting an interesting, gnostic, bizarre,
you know, esoteric tale with old p K D.
Speaker 8: Here.
Speaker 1: He never fails to deliver in that department, would you agree? Man?
Speaker 8: Phil K. Dick. He's one of my favorite authors of
the seventy and one of my favorite sci fi authors.
I quite enjoy his books. He's not the most stylish writer.
He does decent dialogue and he builds his character as well,
but he does world building and idea building very well.
Speaker 1: Can I get you to take over for a minute.
I have to go empty my Philip K if you
know what I mean.
Speaker 8: Go drop a phil k A p k D in
the toilet right now.
Speaker 1: No, just the liquid version there. I got to empty
the pk D.
Speaker 8: Drop a PKD. All right. So Philip K. Dick, Philip K. Dick.
He's a fascinating character. When you look at the biography
of Philip K. Dick, he is somebody who was hanging
out with a lot of these Silicon Valley elite types
in the nineteen sixties and seventies in California, and he
was rightfully really freaked out by what he saw, by
what he learned Philip K. Dick had a fascinating conception
of reality and a very tragic conception of reality. A
lot of his books are about the loss of identity,
the loss of yourself, and the loss of your soul essentially.
So Philip K. Dick was one of the first people
to write about technocracy in a in kind of a
in a way where he ties in intelligence agencies. And
one of the good books by Philip K. Dick that
shows his is understanding of spionage to a certain extent,
social engineering and how drug culture was used as a
tool is the book called they made a film out
of it. And I was just talking about with Jay earlier,
but I'm forgetting the Scanner Darkly. No, No, not Kazan Kazann.
That's that's that's a different one. So anyway, Yes, Philip K.
Dick has a really interesting story as far as his
life story goes. He even believed that he was some
sort of a MK Ultra type victim at some times
in his life and believed that he was being experimented
on using psychotronic weapons.
Speaker 1: Have you do you remember Waking Life? We should cover that, dude.
That's perfect for that would be perfect in the psychonaut
Stream or.
Speaker 8: Let's do Waking Life and uh, we'll do Waking Life,
and the other one the Scanner Darkly because they're both
Philip K. Dick Ish and they're both by the same director,
Richard Linklater he's actually a pretty good director.
Speaker 1: And mister Jones, mister al Jones is that.
Speaker 2: Mister Jones and me.
Speaker 8: Stoning through the body and a long my lamp.
Speaker 1: She's looking at you.
Speaker 8: Got to be somebody for me.
Speaker 11: I want to be Bob deal mister cry, just a
little more funk here as the tears rolled down his
bald head, letters and cry.
Speaker 1: And if the sun comes up tomorrow, let him cry.
Speaker 8: So I haven't read I'm not sure what the book
that Total Recall is based on. I don't think it's
actually called Total Recall, but I think it's based on
a short story by Philip K. Dick He wrote a
lot of short stories and they're pretty easy, the quick reads.
Speaker 1: Most of them.
Speaker 8: I would suggest reading Do Android's Dream of Electric Sheet.
That's another good one. That's what Blade Runner is based on,
as well as The Man in the High Castle. That's another.
Speaker 1: By the way, I just bought some of the books
I've read some of the short stories, which I really liked,
but I've been just kind of waiting to get to
some of his Have you read any of his novel novels.
Speaker 8: Like, yeah, yeah, whatever, they're short, right, they're they're short novels.
So there's a do Androids dream. Electric Sheep is good.
The Penultimate Truth is basically THX eleven thirty eight. Everybody
lives in this underground society. They're so scared because they
think there was a nuclear holocaust in the world, so
big and scary upstairs, and everybody lives underground and they're
afraid of what's going on up there. But it's all
big syo. They're just being tricked and to live underground
and be afraid in this hyper sterile environment, and they
think they're all going to die if they go the elite.
The elite are using the Earth's surface, right, and they
live there. So it's similar to THX eleven thirty eight
in that way. I suggest reading his books. They're they're good. Vallas.
Later in life he got zonged out and it gets
a little bit weirder. That's the time of his life
when he thought he was being communicated with by an
artificial intelligence alien that was beaming satellite information to him
from space.
Speaker 1: And it was really.
Speaker 8: Freaky, weird mk ultra type stuff that he believed he
was being an experimented on. And he called himself horse
lover Fat Philip K. Dick. He was so poor most
of his life. He wrote pop sci fi and he
was poor, and he used the horse meat to keep
himself alive because it was cheaper, So he called himself
horse lover fat. He would be man this fake name,
and he would all his books are about himself and
his kind of loss of identity is search for love
is search for God essentially, and it's.
Speaker 1: Some weird yeah, is it right that? So there's this
weird part in the link later or movie where the
guy is talking about Philip K. Dick and he mentions
that he thinks that in the middle of the Book
of Acts, like something messed up and we're all stuck
halfway through the Book of Acts.
Speaker 8: Yeah, he came up with weird theories like this that
he would pause it at times and maybe let's let's
maybe we got to do some stream We have so many,
we have a list of like twenty streams we have
to do.
Speaker 1: But PK.
Speaker 8: D man.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 8: He gave the speech about living in the in a
matrix and an artificial reality, an artificial construct, and he
really started to believe that this was real and that
he had tapped into in between the fabric of reality,
and he came up with some odd theories. But that's
that part of the of Waking Life, you know, that's
that's Richard link Later is the character who's telling that story.
So I think that means a lot to him for
some reason. I don't know why it means so much
to him, because it's a strange I don't know. I'd
have to watch that film again.
Speaker 1: I wonder if he'd come on a stream. I should
ask if to reach out if he did an.
Speaker 8: Interview, Dude, you should. You should get him on, man,
if you get him on a stream.
Speaker 1: I'd love to come on trying to how many cram
But he didn't ever.
Speaker 8: But I don't know forensicool and I'm a big fan
of link Later. I do like his films. Yeah, he
seems to have been able to make some good films
that he really liked and loved, and they meant a
lot to him, and he made him kind of outside
of the whole Hollywood weird ocracy. You know, he did
it out of Austin instead of Hollywood, right, and he
filmed a lot in Texas, right, And it seems like
he's kind of not so not so weird as some
of these Hollywood folks are.
Speaker 1: All right, so total recall. We got the p K
d background, Paul Berhoven as a director, funny character if
you know. He did, of course Starship Troopers, which is
another weird sci fi Pentagon produced thing. They actually read
that kind of the hind line is read at I
think the Navy or Army War College, so you will
actually go read if you go to like Pentagon stuff,
you'll read hindline as part.
Speaker 8: Of your recent A Stranger in a Strange Land Moon
is a Harsh.
Speaker 1: Mistress too, which is actually about Google. So there's this
AI that's like helping the libertarian revolution.
Speaker 8: Yeah, Vallas is kind of like that too, except Google.
The AI are now this off planet entity that beamed
thoughts to people's head. It's like, yeah, it's really, but
it's it's it's schizoid. He was he was into speed,
like right, Phil K. Dick was into speed and psychedelics,
and that is a combination for for some strange.
Speaker 1: Only Speed I'm into is Vin Diesel Speed a.
Speaker 8: K A fast and furious Baby, fast and furious.
Speaker 1: I've never seen fas I'm joking.
Speaker 8: Only only Vin Diesel I'm into is Triple X bro
Xander Cage.
Speaker 1: That's that's how into Vin I am. I'm into Vin.
I have Vin diagrams about VIN numbers on cars, demonstrated.
Speaker 8: That movie is so funny. Triple X is one of
the funniest movies ever.
Speaker 1: He liked watch that. It's pretty bad.
Speaker 8: Like the first three minutes he meets like Tony Hawk
and Dave Mira and like all the all the extreme
sports guys, and they're like, oh, They're like, oh, what's up, dude.
Speaker 10: He's like, Hey, what's up Tony Hawk? And Tony Hey,
did you finish that new trick? Did you did you
finish that new trick yet? He's like, yeah, what my
Superman seat grab barrel roll No, I'm close.
Speaker 8: Though, and then he like the bad guys come and
he blows everything up and then he like runs off
and he grabs a tray like a cafeteria tray and
board slides down a huge rail and then jumps on
a motorcycle. And then just jumps every explosion. That movie
is amazing.
Speaker 1: Triple X, do you even know how to Tokyo trying
to do it?
Speaker 7: Van?
Speaker 1: Do you even know how to Tokyo drift? Dude?
Speaker 8: Do you know Vin Diesel? He has an album. He
just put out an album. What in Diesel? It's on YouTube.
Speaker 1: Somebody said. Somebody said Asia Argento is in Triple X.
That's weird, given Dario Ardento is such an esoteric, creepy
horror maker. By the way, no, I don't think you
would like it, but anyway, so, uh so we open
up what we got what looks like chocolate bar Mars.
Mars looks like a big red chocolate bar.
Speaker 2: The the.
Speaker 1: Models, so they're still using models. No c g I yet,
really in this there's only one sequence that I recalled
me in c G I in this movie, which is
the we We We ran them off, he ran away. Finally,
I was about to.
Speaker 8: Start cowering, cowering and shame, start dropping insults, but.
Speaker 1: You drop you dropped without my insults.
Speaker 8: So that was I was. I was just kind of
cowering over there in the corner and shame and fear
from all these great Vegan debaters who've been crushing me
in comments all week.
Speaker 1: You're not fast and furious, you just slow and medium.
How's that?
Speaker 8: Is that a line from Fasten?
Speaker 1: I just made it up. I don't even I don't
even know how to talk like Vin Diesel. I'm just
trying to remember kind of what he talks about. He's
got like this gravelious voice of gravy voice.
Speaker 8: Yeah, but it's so fake though, like it's.
Speaker 1: He probably yeah, he probably doesn't really talk. He probably
times like this. You're really taught, you.
Speaker 8: Realizing swag white? I wonder what race is Van Diesel.
He's like he's like one of those like the rock
like racially ambiguous where it's like you could just project
whatever race you think is cool, and that's him. Like
if you're white, like is his race, if you're if
you're if you're like Mexican, you kind of think Vin
Diesel's Mexican. If you're if you're black, you think he's
part black. But he just never says anything. His real
last name is probably like Bronfman or something.
Speaker 1: Isn't he like Hawaiian or something?
Speaker 8: I don't know. I feel like Vin Diesel is.
Speaker 10: A no no.
Speaker 1: I mean the Rock is like Smoe or something. Oh
the Rock.
Speaker 8: Yeah. I think his dad is like half black and
half Samoan or something. He's a rock. I think he
has a little bit of black in but he's mostly
got Samoan, which is why he's a monster. Dude. Simones
are freaking huge, strong people there, and they really like
family too.
Speaker 1: They're down there eating all those vegetables beacons.
Speaker 8: All those vegetables, yeah right, all the soy that they like. Uh.
Speaker 1: So we see pyramid minds. There's colonization of Mars. Terraformed Mars.
Mars is now a colony, so we get this whole
industrial complex colonization now of other planets, just like empires
would have colonies previously. Uh, and now we find out
it's gonna be a resource war. And the first thing
that popped in my head was this makes me think
of like the stuff that we hear about Elon Musk
is going to send us to Mars, I mean, or
we being to Mars this goofy thing. Yeah.
Speaker 8: Well, and and Mars is actually run by like an
Elon Musk type character, right, I mean this is uh.
And I've got some notes here like the I mean,
it starts out the very beginning in the first shots
kind of evoke this idea of you know, dreams and reality,
I dreaming, is this real?
Speaker 1: You don't know?
Speaker 8: Right, doesn't He wakes up from a dream, like a
sexual dream, and he's with Sharon Stone and they have
this they're in this kind of honeymoon style relationship where
they're like they're just so enamored with each other they
can't stop kissing, and like they's all over each other,
which is that's another funny Hollywood thing, right, all the
all the relationships in these films, they're all very unrealistic, right, Like,
if you you've been with someone, you love, somebody, you've
been with them for a little bit, you're not like
constantly making out all over the place.
Speaker 1: But remember this one is unique because uh, she's a
sex operative.
Speaker 8: Yes exactly, And that's and that's why I mean that
that is an excuse. But also but there's other films
where it's like, right, like we got to be like,
I don't know that this false ideal of like your
relationship is just all sexual and it's hyper sexual and
you're just always all over each other and you have
to just be like tonguing each other's faces all day.
I think that's a that's a weird Hollywood trope that
gets pushed out there. There's nothing wrong with affection and stuff,
but it's like, look, you've been married for a few years.
You're probably not going to be tongueing each other constantly
like you like you see in these films. It's very weird, very.
Speaker 1: Strange, right, which you're right, that's actually a key, I think,
showing us that something's off about this present experience of Arnold.
And then he he goes and he's working this jackhammer,
and it's it's like so that we're in the future,
they can fly to Mars, but dudes are still out
there just with jackhammers, just like there's no.
Speaker 8: You still have you still need any any they have
like a it's like on his bicep that's got close
up on his biceps. Arnold just looking jacked, just jacked
out of his mind. But the scene with him and
Sharon Stone and she's like punching him, she's sitting on
top of him and she's like she's really jealous. Like
right away, it's this idea of like the sex relationship
between them, which is just sexual it seems, and it's
just about control and jealousy, and the jealousy kind of
gives you a hint that something's not quite right here
and that they don't seem like they've been together.
Speaker 12: Dream about her, keep dreaming of her, because I just do.
She's like, why are you thinking about her?
Speaker 9: Well, I was thinking of her then and now I'm thinking.
Speaker 3: Of you, right.
Speaker 1: He just he just laughs it off, and it's really good.
Speaker 8: But then she just she just like lays back. She's like,
I'll give you something the dream about and then she
like lays down and spreads her legs or something. He's like, waw,
it's super funny. The opening scene is hilarious.
Speaker 1: There was a couple quick kind of references to things
that were ahead of their time. There's a war on
terror going on right that keeps being mentioned on the news.
ESPN is everywhere everywhere Arnold goes, there's screens everywhere blasting ESPN.
There's war on terror blasting.
Speaker 8: Now.
Speaker 1: This is prior to war on terror. This is, by
the way, keep in mind, nobody had been thinking of
war on terror in nineteen ninety. Right after this comes
another big blockbuster that kicks off Hollywood's notion of war
on terror, and that's true lies another big Arnold moves.
So Arnold will be in some of these key pivot
point late eighties early nineties action figures that will transition
everybody's thought process into eighties commando cold war stuff, rambow stuff,
now flip it over into nineties war on terror.
Speaker 8: Yep, Yeah, so what he said, code babe, you know
you're the good of my dreams.
Speaker 1: You know you're the good of my dreams.
Speaker 8: I don't know why I wrote down that line, just
thought that was funny. But there's space based weapons another
thing that the weaponization of space. And you mentioned like
there's screens everywhere in their home, right, So they live
in this It's not like a teeny tiny apartment. It
actually looks kind of big, but for Hollywood, like in
a Hollywood movie, when you're shooting something like this, it
makes it look small. So it does kind of seem
like they're in this coffin apartment type situation. And they've
switched on the TV. Switches on the TV, starts watching
the news and getting all freaked out about the terror
attacks and all the things the news is terrorizing him about.
She switches it off and it goes to this nature
scene of like a beautiful pond and a bunch of trees.
So the only natural landscapes that they're exposed to are
through their screens. This artificial Yeah, and so they I mean,
this is not by accident like you mean, I'm sure.
I'm sure the Pentagon was consulting for this film as well,
just like they having so.
Speaker 1: Much Well, don't forget the next sequence after that, which
is the TSA. Arnold has to walk through a giant
X ray that fully X rays his whole body.
Speaker 8: And there's body scanners, surveillance and TSA and biometrics as well,
right with the thumb printing and so the biometric identification.
Also you mentioned like the terrorists, the War on Terror
and the stuff there. These factions are fighting over this
esoteric gnostic idea of artifacts in this pyramid mine. So
there's kind of this.
Speaker 1: Ancient alien technology on Mars that will give people an
upper hand in terms of resource.
Speaker 8: War, right, and they tie it in with this gnostic idea,
and there are essentially this mutant colony has been prepared
on Mars by this billionaire class and this man what
was the guy's name that runs Mars. I think it
was something else is.
Speaker 1: Like the revolution is run by So the billionaire bag
guy is Cochrane, and then there's the they call him
the George Washington of Mars. Yeah, his name.
Speaker 8: So again this gnostic idea of revolution, right, we're gonna
we have to overthrow the established order. The Demiurs in
the film is this kind of Elon Musk's style billionaire
guy who has colonized Mars, terraformed Mars and created a
giant bubble where he controls and rations quantum air. Quanto yeah,
Quatto right, So Quato is the rebel army leader, and
it's kind of similar to Later Runner twenty forty nine
in some ways. How you have this underground movement of
the mutants that want to be free, but the demiers
is keeping them down. And it's this Elon Musk type
character who has sealed them into this bubble and makes
them pay for air, which I think is really funny,
kind of the Agenda twenty one type exactly right.
Speaker 1: So the ultimate privatization of resources now beyond water, right,
is air? Right. And so if you're on Mars, presumably
to this mythology, like if you could control the oxygen
on Mars, you would have you know, total resource control.
But before I got to that, though, I wanted to
mention that when he sees the ad for Recall, it's
very interesting that Recall has a K instead of a C,
so that the been spelled R E K A L L.
And then they have a butterfly that's a logo. So
I think that m K the K is there for
for a reason to tell you that this is a
reference obliquely to MK Ultra. The butterfly shows up to
show you that it's monarch because in those programs and
DARPA has developed this nowadays, the ability to erase and
replace and implant memories. As you pointed out Blade Runner,
that's exactly what happens with the replicants. PK D is
who wrote a Blade Runner story, And here pkd is
telling us about the same stuff with DARPA memory erasing
and replacing. And what does Arnold end up with as
his programming a secret agent mind control program? Yep, So
he sits in this machine, gets his mind wiped, and then,
which is probably one of the best aspects of the
movie is that we are put into this state where
we're now trying to figure out what's real and what's
part of the matrix. So this is actually the matrix.
Prior to the matrix, Arnold is running around in this
story that he's chosen and now we can't figure out
was Sharon Stone really his girlfriend at the beginning? Where
did he actually start his programming? We don't know. And
that's I think the best part of this movie is
that aspect.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, yeah. The idea of you know, the company recall,
it's like this. It's this corporate mk ultra type program
where they sell people on the idea of vacations, right,
so you don't have to go into real vacation that's
dangerous or it's not as fun, it's not as cool.
We're going to implant memories in you. We're going to
sell you whatever memories you want, and you'll think it's
totally real and you'll experience it all. So this is
kind of neurolink type idea as well. And and how
does he pay for it? Jay pays for it with
social credits?
Speaker 1: Oh good one, dude.
Speaker 8: You know they call it credits. You pay with your credits.
It only costs eight and ninety nine credits. How else
would you spend your credits?
Speaker 1: Huh, I didn't even notice that.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's a weird that's that's kind of a weird
predictive part of it thought was very strange.
Speaker 1: Did you notice too, the oh, by the way, mentioning
that that Pentagon deep state element. Remember, because so Starship
Starship Troopers is hindline and that's satire and what you
read if you go to Army War College, Verehoven directs that,
Vera Hooven directs this. And remember that PKD was was
claiming that he had been in the circles of Silicon Valley,
so he wasn't just making stuff up. He had been
hanging out with those guys. Yeah what would become silk
and valid, So he had inside kind of whether PKD.
Speaker 8: Was kind of one of these think tank guys that
it seems like he was being harvested for ideas. He
seems like it seems like in the seventies, especially a
lot of these California characters and the drug culture. Pk
D even you know, Leary was openly involved with in
intelligence agencies and stuff, but it seems like there was
a certain part of the intelligence agencies that were using
characters like this just and monitoring them and harvesting ideas
from them and using them because as winning and unwilling
witting members of think tanks or social engineering planning, and
he was involved in that stuff and he got freaked
out by it, by what he saw and what he heard.
Speaker 1: In Annie Jacobson's DARPA books, she talks about she got
whole chapters on the Pentagon talking to sci fi writers
and they were kind of doing this thing, trying to
get harvest ideas. Like you said, another weird element was
that they tried to sell him on uh. When Arnold
gets in the cat scan, it looks like a CATSCA machine.
By the way, I was you know that funny scene
when he's like ah and he's he's laying in the
cat scan machine, and it made me immediately think of
when he's in is it kindergarten cop and his idiot
line is not a tuma, it's not a here. He's
laying in a cat scan machine. Basically that is what
it looks like. And there's another reference in this movie
to other Arnold movies or future Arnold movies, because there's
two or three times in this movie where he's like,
you'll not me.
Speaker 9: I am me, Hey, you all me?
Speaker 1: And then in Sixth Day, when he encounters his clones.
Speaker 9: He's like, hey, you'll not me. I am me, No,
I am me, you'll you.
Speaker 1: They have this idiot dialogue back and forth. But this
comes up in more than one Arnold movie. Have you
have you seen sixth Day the Cloning Arnold movie?
Speaker 8: No? No, I'm not seeing that one. What year was?
Speaker 1: Oh dude, it's hilarious, man, you gotta watch this. It's
as funny.
Speaker 8: I like Arnold. I'm always for.
Speaker 1: It's as goofy as a total recall, and Arnold has
just as many goofy one liners.
Speaker 8: And before or after.
Speaker 1: It's after so I think it's about ninety five or six.
So so Arnold has a handful of doozies. I would say,
By the way, Predator actually is really good. Predator is
a movie.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it is well, and there's other Predator movies that
are goofy. But also was the one where they have
like the Pyramids and Antarctica?
Speaker 1: Yes, I know, Alien versus Predator is where they Yeah.
Speaker 8: But it's mostly action, but there are some weird esoteric
things in that one.
Speaker 1: So Arnold has a bunch of stinkers, but he actually
have some some that are funny. Running Man is really good.
I do recommend if you've never seen. That's a great dystopia.
Running Man with Arnold total recall is fun it's funny.
Definitely watch Commando. That's classic eighties just Arnold being ridiculous.
And then The Sixth Day is not that good of
a movie, but it does have a lot of predictive
program It's got driverless cars and all kinds of stuff
like that, and but just Arnold interacting with his clones.
It's hilarious just because it's so ridiculous. True lies is relevant,
just because it kicks off we're on terror, and I'm
sure there's a bunch more Arnold, but the one liners
are pretty classic in Sixth Day and in Commando and
Running MANE gets.
Speaker 8: Divorce gets.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, divorce see you with the.
Speaker 8: I love punches Sharon Stone in the face. Well that's
what he shoots her in the head, but before that,
he punches her in the face.
Speaker 1: When they first fight. Yeah, when he finds out she's a.
Speaker 8: Box her out, oh man. And then she kicks him
the balls like.
Speaker 1: Ye does the ouch my balls move right close.
Speaker 8: Close up, Ouch my balls like four times they should
have had like a bank, but they didn't. Hey did
you notice that they have autonomous vehicles?
Speaker 1: Yeah, they have the robot uber driver.
Speaker 8: Hey yeah, I'm your Carson Cabs. Welcome to Carson Cab.
The idea of like drive, I like, all he has
to do is rip the robot out and then he
grabs the joy in it. Like they make a robot
to drive with a joystick. Why don't they just make
the robot wired directly? I don't get it. But so
there's this The idea of the breakaway civilization is you know,
obviously very prominent, but also uh compartmentalization, right, the compartmentalization
where you know, one one hand doesn't know what the
other hand is doing, which is really important intelligence agencies.
And they bring this up with the antagonist characters where
he says to him, I don't give you enough information
to think you do what you're told, right. So the
characters they're out there doing their own little missions, but
they don't understand the big picture thing, and sometimes they
get fed lies to keep them compartmentalized. And then in
the end some of them come to realize some of
the bigger picture. But that idea of compartmentalization is here
in the film. And that's, as you have talked about
many times, it's really important the intelligence world sexual blackmail, right,
I mean, there's like there's a lot of a lot
of different control mechanisms that are exploring this film. And
I wrote down just a few sexual blackmail, sexual blackmail, drugs, hypnosis, cybernetics,
virtual reality, theater.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 8: This idea of theater at almost ritual, where you have
people in somebody's life, handlers that will come and stage
certain events or pay out certain narratives in order to
influence a character and their worldview so that they will
interpret the world in certain ways and thus behave in
certain ways, is a big part of the mind control
techniques that they use. Right. They're always trying to tell
them a story, right, like, oh no, no, this is
what's really happening. You were doing this, but the real
reason was this, and you never never know if it's
true or if it's a lie. And that's kind of
how intelligence agencies work, right. If you want somebody to
do your dirty work, you don't tell them why they're
doing it. You get somebody who's dumb enough and compartmentalize
that they'll get a job done and not have any
idea the bigger picture of what they're connected to. Yes,
there's another trauma of course, right, ritual trauma, electroshock, electroshock therapy,
so all these.
Speaker 1: Kult type He's got a microchip implant that he has
to pull out through his nose like a gigantic booger, right.
Speaker 8: Right. Then they also used film to mess with him,
remember like the film that they had him shoot, right,
So they used film, theatrics and and of course you
know just the threat of vil. So those are just
some of the control mechanisms that were explored in order
to manipulate characters consciousness and manipulate characters in doing what
they want to do. And all of those are pretty
dag important in the world of espionage, and these are
tools used by espionage agent agencies all the time.
Speaker 1: Right, there's multiple references to doubles. He gets a hologram
that's his double, and obviously, yes that's a hologram. But
you'll notice there's different layers to Arnold's psyche and who
he is. So he doesn't know whether he's a mind
control operative, whether he's a normy guy who's on a
vacation that he bought or whether he's actually, as we
find out in the third act, been programmed all along
by the corporation to be a triple agent. So there's
there's these alters and layers to Arnold, which is imaged
in the doubling, Right, Hitchcock does this a lot where
he'll have doubles. Lynch has doubling and doubles a lot,
And that's really just to show that the division in
the protagonists psyche, that he's not sure what's real, just
like with Jacob and Jacob's leader. He doesn't he doesn't
know who he is. He's disintegrated. His psyche is not integrated.
It's disintegrated and dissociated.
Speaker 8: Through all of these techniques like trauma, you ritual implants, yes, implants, cybernetics,
electroshock therapy, all these things were used. And then also
just lies, right, it's just people telling him lies about
where he is, what he's doing in order to get
what they want from him. And then they tell him
he's dreaming a lot. Oh, you're dreaming, it's a hallucination.
Speaker 1: And I mean they come to him. That's interesting because
they come to him and they say, you have schizoid embolism,
and you don't you can never know, and you don't
know what's real, so you're gonna have to distrust us
and do what we tell you.
Speaker 8: So yeah, I mean that's that. What a great way
to initiate a you know, an agent into an organization
and completely confuse them and have them not understand who
they are what they're doing, because if they get caught,
who's going to believe this crazy person who's completely confused
and schizophrenic. And yeah, I think this is kind of
overlook a lot of people think of, you know, mind control,
and they think just about a clockwork orange style uh
mk ultra techniques. But more I think worldview warfare is
a really important concept here and this is what's being
waged on Arnold the entire time. Worldview warfare about who
he is, where he's going, what is what his reality
is all about?
Speaker 1: You're not you, I'm you, You are not you? You
are me?
Speaker 8: Venus Ville? What was that with Venusville? Why do you
think they call that? That?
Speaker 1: One?
Speaker 8: The area with the Masonic checkerboard floor in the where
all the whores are, all the hookers and like get
like the midget, the red light district. They called it
venus Ville, and.
Speaker 1: That was oh, well Venus, that's right, Yeah, so Venus
is the area. Well, it's obviously connected with the sexuality
and lust and all that, and so the red light
district on the planet is Venusville. Exactly. Did you notice,
by the way, that there was a Hilton When he
gets to Mars, he goes to the ritzy area and
he's in the Hilton. I just thought it was funny
that there's a there's a Hilton on Mars. And then
he has to eventually make his way over out of
the elite area to the poor mutant area. So there's
these people who have mutated from I guess Mars's atmosphere
being I don't know what, like radioactive or whatever. I
don't remember what the where the mutants come from? Where
the mutants?
Speaker 8: He just said that, like he sealed the air and
all the children started turning to mutants and get them.
I don't think they explained it, just but the mutants
are psychic. They have they have they have developed psychic powers.
Speaker 1: And of course greatest, greater than the psychic is the
third peat, the greatest of all sexuals.
Speaker 8: That's the most important one.
Speaker 1: Chick with the and by the way, all of her
teats looked fake, but that third one especially looked fake.
Speaker 8: And she has two real faked its and then a
third fake.
Speaker 1: And by the way, if you would like to contribute
to me and Jamie getting Jamie a third teat, there's
the super chats. I'll be putting it into a special
bitcoin hedge fund which will accumulate over time, and we'll
get Jamie that third teat that she needs and that
I want. So please donate.
Speaker 8: You need, you need that, you deserve that. You you
work hard, You work really hard for this.
Speaker 1: There's an all seeing eye in that sequence too, that
pops up. I want to note.
Speaker 8: The girl was with she has pyramid with the eye
on them ear rings.
Speaker 1: I saw that. I thought that was interesting. Yeah, like
the I noted that this was this is where it's
really getting, like the matrix. Arnold's like neo.
Speaker 8: But you notice that well, I thought it was kind
of interesting that that with the Masonic floor, that kind
of free Masonic floor when they're in the red light
district in Venusville or Venus being you know Lucifer obviously,
but they from that spot they kind of transition into
the next stage. Of the mystery and the uh I
think it was the antagonist, the bad character, Coohagen, that's
his name. Cohagen jumps through the glass, jumps through the
looking glass, jumps through the window, and then it cuts
to Arnold and this chick. They find this underground chamber, right,
they find and they get into the area underneath.
Speaker 1: Catacombs.
Speaker 8: Yes, yes, so they go into the underworld and they
you know, they go and they seek out this esoteric
knowledge in the underworld, and the underworld is full of
an ancient remains of an ancient civilization. Yes, Pyramids of Mars,
which I mean back then in nineteen ninety people were
talking about the Pyramids on Mars. I think it was
like nineteen eight. When did those photos come out, the
first Pyramids on Mars.
Speaker 1: Well, it's when Richard Hogland put out that book, and
that was about ninety ninety one.
Speaker 8: Yeah, so, and I remember reading about this as a
really young kid, and this is kind of what first
got me interested in a lot of the you know,
all the alien stuff and what's up with these.
Speaker 1: Period That's not a face. It's the stupidest conspiracy of
all time. That's stupid ass Shatow that is not like,
by the way, they had photoshop in nineteen ninety. So
just because there's this vague looking, stupid face on Mars
is what I mean. There's literally a pyramid on Mars.
That's the dumbest thing of all time.
Speaker 8: Denying your your ancient ancestors.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I don't believe in the Mars alien.
Speaker 8: Your ancient aryan ancestors. We're living on Mars and had
they had a beautiful civilization. But yeah, I don't. I
don't know what people think about.
Speaker 1: I was at a conference one time and a guy
gave a lecture on that Aliens were using nuclear war
on Mars, and so that's why Mars that's the atmosphere
it does because the Aliens had a new core there.
And by the way, that is in this this is
about the Aliens having nuclear technology, because what is the
alien tech and the pyramid. Oh, they figured out how
to lower these reactors into ice and then it creates I.
Speaker 8: Love how Arnold just walks in and he's like, which
is the reactor and he knows it down it will
be oxygen for everybody. Arnold just walks in and he
exactly what this is. He reverse engineers the nuclear reactor
within seconds of witnessing it.
Speaker 1: That's a great point. I didn't even think about how
stupid it was, Like, you have no idea what this
gigantic thing is, but Arnold just walks.
Speaker 13: In, Oh, yeah, it's the reactors. Pushed the button, right,
you put your hand down, and.
Speaker 1: Alien it's like push it down, and then the heater
comes on and now there's error, right, the conditioning of mos. Yeah.
Speaker 8: So the yeah, so this this this it's a very
gnostic film, right, like the the Total the Elon Musk
Demiurge and the revolutionary movement is going to save the
planet and free all the slaves, and and Arnold of
course you.
Speaker 1: Like in fact, I like the fact that they brought
that the Kohagen guy in and and he he layers
this the scam one more level, and he's like, oh,
you're actually a triple agent and you're working for me
all this time. Yeah.
Speaker 8: Well, I mean there's another thing, like it's just we
fear in the involved in the world of espionage, those
type of tactics of you know, switching people and and
and just messing with their minds is it's pretty important.
I think, you know, what's a good film, The Good Shepherd.
You watched that one.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's great. You know that's actually based on the
real loosely, the real origins of how the British came
and set up the os s.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yes, exactly and Skull and Bones. You know, that
was directed by Robert de Niro.
Speaker 1: Directed that the pyramids of Moss.
Speaker 8: So that they go under the pp mids and inside
of the PP mids are a giant reactor and the reactor.
What's what the there you go, mos jay, do you
notice the.
Speaker 1: Climate by turning the Moss act conditioning on?
Speaker 8: Well, you notice in the poster there we show that
again because that's the the free Masonic compass right there. Yeah,
pyramid in the compass.
Speaker 1: Then we see Arnold's single eye.
Speaker 8: Yes, it's a super it's a very Masonic.
Speaker 1: By the way, the pyramid, yes, yep.
Speaker 8: So there there's a there's a lot of free Masonic
symbolism in that Venusville area. So there there's a free
Masonic checking checkerboard. And then when he goes, the hooker
brings him into the room and there's the pillar of
Jachim and Boaz on the side there. And then she's
got the pyramid ear rings with the eye in the
middle and there's three little dots hanging from them. So
a lot of the random stuff thrown in there. But
the concept of like the demiurge needing to be slain
and the mutants being freed so that they can live
happily ever after is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, We've got these different arnolds that he could be,
these different aspects of his psyche, and he, at least
as far as we know, he really was the bad guy,
but actually the good Altar ended up taking over and
that's how we got the good end.
Speaker 8: Yes, So yeah, that dualism idea.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the hero is also the villain, but he takes
over and then we have this image of Mount sina
In't there like a giant mountain that like the mountain
is what becomes like the vapor, yeah, thing.
Speaker 8: That's smoking and then throwing up the vapor and the terrorform.
Speaker 1: So actually this is similar to Dune. So they then
terrorform Mars completely to have an atmosphere and to colonize it.
So yes, then I was wondering, just kind of out
of speculation at the end, do we know for sure
that that was I mean, is he in the matrix
still or are we supposed to be unclear? Or is
this Schwartzendinger's cat. Get it Schwarzendinger's cat, because is it?
Speaker 7: Is it real?
Speaker 1: Or is it in the Matrix?
Speaker 8: Yes? I think, well, in classic Philip K. Dick's style,
you leave it open. Okay, Yeah, I don't know how
closely this follows the original short story, but it seems
to me in the end we're not supposed to know.
And if you wrap it up too tightly, you put
a little bow on it, it's not as fun, I
guess for the audience. So I think Hollywood likes to
leave it open ended like that. But remember the last line,
He's like, I just had a terrible thought.
Speaker 1: What did this ease or do?
Speaker 8: And then she's like, oh, you better kiss me before
you wake up, and then they make out and that's
the end roll credits.
Speaker 1: By the way, people in the chat, was that story
the Matrix? Or was Arnold really the triple agent who
did all this?
Speaker 8: I don't know.
Speaker 1: You guys, tell me what you think. What is Paul
Verehoven and Arnold? What do they want us to think?
We've got a few super chats we'll read here. The
Pyramids of moss but gets the mos gets you as
the moth gets you as remember when the thing shorts
out and he keeps saying that good.
Speaker 8: How about the red pill moment? Remember that he goes
brought up, I miss this. What is this? There's a
so he's I'm scrolling through right now. So he's having
this conversation with that fatuh petal looking dude, and the
guy's trying to confuse him and tell him basically, look
what you think is going on is not going on.
I'm gonna save you. I'm gonna help you. We need
you to wake up. If you take this pill, you
are going to wake up into the real reality. And
he gives him a red pill and Arnold puts it
in his mouth, and the guy's like, all right, man,
like swallow the pill. And then already zooms in and
there's the beat of sweat, and Arnold knows, because there's
a beat of sweat.
Speaker 1: He's lying. Yeah, he's a lie.
Speaker 7: He uses his his.
Speaker 8: Biological what's it called the polygraph test and reads his
sweat and then he shoots him in the dome and
then throws the red pill on the guy's throat. And
I don't know what he says to him divorce. He
doesn't say that that's one of the best for sure.
I gotta I use that for a super chat notification.
Speaker 1: By the way, in the chat, people were asking about
the show. Yes, so we did a full season of
a TV show called Hollywood Decoded. There is one free
episode that you can go watch. If you like that show.
By the way, go and tell Guya to do another
season so you can leave a comment there. That's the
free episode everybody can watch. And I loved it. It's
one of the funnest things I've ever done in my
life was to do that TV show. We had a
blast doing it. I wrote a whole other season two
and we never did it, so but it's there ready
to go. I think we had Total Recall on the
list to do. But yeah, you can go check out
those old episodes we got. Think we did nineteen full
production TV show episodes of Hollywood Decoded, and we did
do some James Cameron. I know we did Terminator. I
don't think we didn't do total Recall, but there's some
other gems on there. By the way, when you were
mentioning the studio or the apartment that they have and
at being small. Have you ever been on a set
or like done a studio tour like Warner Brothers tour
or anything.
Speaker 8: Well, they're real open. Yeah, yeah, I've seen sets. They're
bigger than they look, actually very large.
Speaker 1: Well it depends, but what like if you go to
Warner Brothers and take us a tour of their like
their daytime TV shows the people's apartments and uh like schoolroom,
classrooms or they're tiny, dude, they're really small. And like
when we were doing our show the set, you look,
it looks like there's this big audience hall that we're
in that was just a projection. Sets are small, dude.
Like really, it'll blow your mind. They look like you'll
feel like a midget if you do a tour of
a set, they're really small.
Speaker 8: Speaking of her apartment, did you notice that she was
playing She was playing like Nintendo wee tennis.
Speaker 1: And yeah, she had like a hologram we she was doing.
Speaker 8: She was playing with the hologram. And that's that's the
only other that's the only other thing we see her
doing when she's not directly like Fear with Arnold is
playing with her fake friends video game hologram. So that
idea of VR.
Speaker 1: You know the v that had Skype too. Do you
notice they were doing video teleconferencing.
Speaker 8: Yeah, ye, Skype everywhere in cars and stuff too.
Speaker 1: We'll do some of these super chats. We got shining
Diamond for three. No, Zach excise me exact way back
at the beginning, Zac says, for twenty, I'm stoked to
be here, stoked to be here. Maybe the angry vegans
need a good steak. Yes, they do, right, Although ironically
Arnold is a promoter of veganism. I highly doubt that
he's really vegan, but.
Speaker 8: He says, he said, all my favorite I love it,
but I know I should not.
Speaker 1: I shouldn't need it.
Speaker 8: You know you do.
Speaker 13: Or whatever you feel the guilty And then but no,
I have a little uh, I have a friend who's
a donkey, and to watch how I get the donkey
the the carrots.
Speaker 1: Remember that video where he was feeding his donkey carrots
during the.
Speaker 8: Corona and telling everybody to stay home and.
Speaker 1: Me, stay home if you do it was completely dumb.
But yeah, so the vegans do need a stick Shining
diamond three dollars. Will you be doing an analysis of
the animated movie Ghosts in the Show and Akira. I
that was the only anime movie that I watched in
the nineties that I liked. It was it ninety mid
to late nine.
Speaker 8: Yeah, Kira and Ghost of the Show The Shell was good.
Speaker 1: I mean it had a lot of that same dystopian
blade runner my control type stuff.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and you already did the book that you know
the title is referring to goes to the Machine Kessen.
Speaker 1: Right, exactly. And I know people have requested Neon Genesis
Evangelium because it has a lot of esoteric stuff. So
I promise, what guys, one day I will get to it.
I just there's so many things.
Speaker 8: When I was in the universe, we had a course
called Techno Thrillers and it was in the film The
Parliamentute took this part. It was a pretty decent course.
We we actually we watched Doctor Strange Love. What's the
other one that came out the same year as Doctor Strangelove,
But wasn't Doctor Strange Love. It was more of a
serious version of the Doctor Strange Love story. Somebody in
the audience might know, No, it's not Kubrick. It's like
fail Safe for something. It was called fail Safe.
Speaker 1: Oh, where they have like a big computer that it's
like an AI computer. Yeah, I've seen it's boring.
Speaker 8: It's like it's like Strangelove, but it's not as good.
So we watched that. We watched the Will Smith movie
Enemy of the State, and then also Ghost in Michelle
and north By Northwest.
Speaker 1: Speak.
Speaker 8: Anyways, the instructor was was pretty based for for that time,
you know. This was two thousand and six or seven,
I think, and he was really harping on about this
whole technocracy thing that we see coming on now and
all the films. We watched Blade Runner as well, but
all the films were very similar to the stuff we're
talking about here. So yeah, shout out to I forget
the professor's name.
Speaker 1: Have you seen the Demon Seed.
Speaker 8: I've foreseen that like screenshots or something.
Speaker 1: I did a ten minute funny breakdown of it that
Oh that's what I saw. I saw your videos. It's
worth watching. It's actually an AI that kind of wants
to incarnate the antichristis pretty wild, okay, and it's funny.
It's like one of those you know, funny Arnold.
Speaker 8: Is it like End of Days or something. I don't
think I watched that one.
Speaker 1: I know he did End of Days is another Arnold
like hoot. It's a hoot, He's like, it's basically Arnold
beating the devil. It's ridiculous.
Speaker 8: There's something that like Arnold early nineties Arnold and eighties
Arnold is always futter to watch. There's just something that's
like funered, like when he's just freakishly jacked. I don't know,
but later on Arnold when he when he when he deflates,
for some reason, it's not as entertaining when he isn't
like a freaking free.
Speaker 1: Low energy on a low energy when he deflates, he's
low low energy. Uh or yeah, all.
Speaker 8: I doesn't done anything a while.
Speaker 1: No, that last Terminator was awful. He was He played
Carl the Cuck who was a blind like you sold blinds.
Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, somebody mentioned one of the best mind
control movies this Zolander.
Speaker 1: Yes, I need to add that to the I got
a list of about thirty mind controls to do.
Speaker 8: I'd say that Zoolander is probably one of my favorite
stupid comedy movies. As like a kid, I think I
was like thirteen fourteen when I came out fifteen.
Speaker 1: I have natural I have resting faced blue steel yeah, you.
Speaker 8: Do, you do? I just I love what Hansel when
he's telling his story about Peote, he's telling his trip report. Yeah,
then I realized I've never even been the Mount Vesuvius.
I found myself falling.
Speaker 1: Ah.
Speaker 8: Yeah, did you see the second Zoolander? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I actually thought it was good.
Speaker 8: It was pretty funny, and it was it wasn't.
Speaker 1: And I had the the whole like Hollywood MK ultra
satanic cult.
Speaker 8: Yes, yeah, and Kyle Mooney was in it, who used
to be really funny until Saturday and at Night Live
destroyed his career. Him and Beck Bennett were freaking hilarious
due they were like the original YouTube comedy.
Speaker 14: Yeah, inside so inside, so exactly inside his skits man
and then his stoner skits where he's like he's like
a pothead pothead.
Speaker 1: He's always talking about weed.
Speaker 8: Yeah but he's but he doesn't really smoke weed, and
he just tries to act like he's cool. And that's
those skits are so funny. And then sn L got
ahold of him and ruined his career. And what is
he doing now?
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm there are some of his skits on
SNL that are good. They're not all five years.
Speaker 8: Beck Bennett was funny too, but they just got him.
They just made him play putin and with his shirt off,
and that's.
Speaker 1: All right. So the next next to our chat is
uh in Jesus, Christ In Christ, Our Lord twenty dollars.
Great work for you to question. For Little Aids, what
are some of the Orthodox books that you've read, Little Aids?
And for both of you, out of ten, how would
you rate both these movies? The first question to you,
Tristan is what are some of the Orthodox books that
you read that you liked? All right?
Speaker 8: You right here recommend well. I haven't read every page
of Saint John of Damascus, but Sat John Damascus very good,
the Seraph and Rose. The first one I read was
God's Revelation with Human Heart, and then after that I
read Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future, and then Genesis,
Creation and Early Man and that was what convinced me
essentially to become Orthodox. So I read those and then
also Orthodox Dogmatic theology is another good one. What was
the book that father off I'll give us about Wounded
by Love? Wounded by Love is a really good one.
Jessica and the kids have read, but I didn't read
it with them, Saint John the Wonder Worker, those all recommended.
Else Yeah, no, there's nothing that I well, some of
them are, say Maximus the Confessor was a little bit
like heavier and a little bit more difficult. But I
really enjoyed that. And then also there's another one Loski.
It was the Lostky book, two Lostky books, and both
of those three Mystical Theology of the of the Eastern Church.
That was Mystical Theology the Church. You know, those were good.
Those are heavy. I read them about a year and
a half ago.
Speaker 1: There they are.
Speaker 8: Yeah. So that that book right there took me about
a month to read because there was just so much.
I had to do more research while I was reading
it to catch up on some of the themes. But
that that cleared up a lot for me. But I
mean I can't I couldn't sit here and summarize it
for you because it was a year and a half.
I know that I read its cool.
Speaker 1: So on on a one to ten scale, what do
you give Jacob's ladder and total recall?
Speaker 8: Jacobs ladder one to ten, I give it like six
and a half d mt hits total recall, I give
it nine out of ten Sharon Stone kicks to Arnold
Schwarzenegger's Testy Cows.
Speaker 1: I would give both movies a seven. I'm going to
say they're both seven. They're different. They both have similar
themes with the mind control and psyche and all that.
Speaker 8: But when I give Total Recall a nine, it's not
like it's a great film. It's just so entertaining and stupid.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just as the film overall, it gets a seven.
But for entertainment, I would agree with Tristan that it's
a nine. It's a hoot.
Speaker 8: You can rewatch it and laugh. It's like a good
movie if you, I don't know, it's just if you
want to laugh with some friends. It's a great movie.
Speaker 1: Jacob's latter is not a movie you're gonna rewatch it.
It's not a fun movie. Alt Monarchists for two dollars
review Stalker. Yes, I know I gotta do Tarkowski. I
actually wrote a bunch of notes on Rubelov and then
I got to where I was about to do Stalker
and something happened. So I apologize. I know that that
I'm really slacking by not doing that, But we will eventually.
Just like the other requests, there are some big ones
I've not done. I know it's a big empty spot
in my film repertoire Jerry Jerry Dingis. We got the
mister dingas here, biggots and nerds, a match made in
on Tick Wilderness. We do live in an ontic wilderness
and this is a match made in the heaven of
on Tick Wilderness. That's the biggots together with the nerds. Absolutely,
there's a lot of overlap.
Speaker 8: I think there's a lot more nerds right now than
I gotta see up four hundred and thirty eight. Every
once in a while we'll pull in four to thirty,
but only if there's someone else coming on a street.
We're in the we're in that two hundred range, and
YouTube's trying to get us in the zero range as
soon as possible.
Speaker 1: Everybody be sure that, yeah, go support Tristan. Subscribe if
you're not over subscribed, over at a problem Edge. I've
got his link there in the show description, So be
sure and hook up with Tristan. Bounteous no Jack Jack
for three dollars says, if I can affect the way
people think and feel by what I think and feel,
is it because of demons? Do I need to see
a priest or do prayers often? No, I mean you
could just have a persuasive personality that affects the way
people think and feel that doesn't necessarily have to be demonic.
Do I need to see a priest or do prayers often?
I would say, do both. How's that Bounteous an Orthodox
priest not.
Speaker 8: A Roman Bunant priest anyways.
Speaker 1: Not a Roman priest An orthodoxers Bounteous five dollars. Did
you notice the red pill? Yes? Thank you. Tristan brought
up the red pill that the recall guy offers to Arnie.
Carnivore alliance six fifty one of Tristan's biggots in the chat.
Maybe off topic, but picnic and hanging rock. I think
the secret to it is some carnivorous plant hermaphrodite venus
satan ufo. Okay, did you lost me?
Speaker 8: There?
Speaker 1: He went offensive.
Speaker 8: The carnivore alliance is always coming with the the like like,
what did they call that back in the day that
remember that.
Speaker 1: Channel is the stream of consciousness.
Speaker 8: Streamline, syncralstic, remember those channels twostic?
Speaker 1: Yes, Lauren Cobleman, the synchro mystic.
Speaker 8: Yep, yeah, he's kind of like like that. He's when
you talk to him, he's more coherent, but he likes
to uh. He goes into the I think I think
it's got a while to mate.
Speaker 1: The stream of consciousness going on in the chat, So
we welcome that. You can. You can send six dollars
fifty stream of consci all day long. I will listen.
Speaker 8: Janie Sophia twenty dos the movie he says, He says,
Picnic can hang your rocks the movie Okay, I got
that actually just.
Speaker 1: The rest of it where I was lost. But Janie
Sophia twenty dollars. Apologies if you've already covered this, but
Jacob's Ladder had toll House. Yes, we covered Soul after
Death the Surf and Rose book in relation to Jacobs
along the right track there, Jennie.
Speaker 8: To the person who asked, I also read that book,
and I would recommend that one too. That's a really
good one. I recommended that to several people. I think
it's very useful.
Speaker 1: And thank you for that fat super chat twenty whole bucks.
Appreciate that. Dell Bridge for five dollars. Jay and Tristan,
how are you? I'm great? How are you do?
Speaker 8: I'm better?
Speaker 1: Than Jay. Is it possible that you could better at
being worse? Yes, you are better at being worse than
me totally. Is it possible that both of you could
review Kurt Vonnegut's Harrison berger And film and In and
In Time starring justin Wait.
Speaker 8: Oh, you told me what you told me last night
to watch that in Time Justin Timberlain.
Speaker 1: Well, I've seen In Time with Amber Amanda Seyfried and
Justin Timberlake. That's a good dystopian movie. But Kurt Vonnegut's
Harrison Bergeran film, Okay, now I'm not familiar with that one.
In Time is good. It is a dystopia that you
could do and announces of Yes, lastly, God bless both
of you. Well, thank you, Dell Bridge much appreciate it. Wet.
What a total spas all right, speaking of nineteen nineties,
I mean, these are two nineties movies. That's a great
nineties slang. It's such as spas. Why are you such
as spazd We should do a Holly Schorn That was
the nineties spurg is a spas.
Speaker 8: Right, spaz for sure?
Speaker 1: Yeah. The nineties version of a Sperg nowadays was a spas.
Speaker 8: Absolutely anyway, insight. Hey, I appreciate that I just wrote
that down. Thank you.
Speaker 1: Well, I fooled those. So keep a notebook handy because
you can just transcribe for me. You can be a
little secretary. That's work for you.
Speaker 8: I'd be honored to be your little secretary. I really
like the way you said that. It makes me feel
very little aids, little.
Speaker 1: Aids, little secretary. You could just transcribe the proverbs all
day long. All Right, we're having fun. But his name
is Tristan and he is the head honcho over at
vegan Alliance dot com. Just kidding, the head honchho over
at Primal Edge Health. You can follow him by clicking
the channel in the show description that is called Primal
Edge Health. And he would love to have you. He's
been doing some really funny streams. He's doing a call
in thing. I want to ask you. I tried the
calling thing a couple of times. That kind of got
on my nerves. Are you having fun with Collins?
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 8: That's my favorite.
Speaker 1: I did.
Speaker 8: I did Collins like a few years back when YouTube
first came out, but it was like I was more careful.
But now, yeah, I just I open up the open
up the zoom and it's fun.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 8: I mean we get friendlies like I don't know. I
just like talking to people. Man, I can talk to anybody.
I ain't talk to anyone, So I invite any anybody
if you don't, if you want to chat, or if
you just want a debate. I keep trying to get
these vegans to come and debate, but none of them will.
Speaker 13: Because you're just going to go slow and mutus.
Speaker 8: I mean, she's either welcome to calling, but she won't.
These people, they like to throw their stones from the distance.
Speaker 1: Jay.
Speaker 8: Before we at the end, I wanted to ask you,
have you gotten this book yet? No?
Speaker 1: Everybody saw need to get it though.
Speaker 8: I'll send you that's classes new book just published, like
last or two months ago, maybe the Great RECOVID nineteen,
the Great Reset. I'll send you the PDF.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I check.
Speaker 8: It's very blatant. Okay, Yeah, so it's.
Speaker 1: Gonna tell us the whole spiel. We got another super
chat three dollars from Julio. He says, chain Link Crypto
is to the Moon. I'll have to check that out.
But except I don't want to go to the moon.
Speaker 9: I want to go to Mas.
Speaker 1: Good to Crypto to Mas. We don't want to go
to the moon.
Speaker 8: You know, it's like the only three planets I mentioned
was Mars, Venus and Saturn. In they kept saying you
should go to Saturn instead Saturn.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I had a Saturn note. Good point. Thank
you forgot that. All right, everybody, have a good night.
I hope you enjoyed tonight's show. Be sure and like it,
share it, tell a comment below if I missed anything.
We always have good comments from the movie audience telling
me the details that I missed. And we look forward
to the next stream. We'll be doing some psycho hot
stuff and I'll be doing more spooktober. I'm sure Tristan
and I can come up with some more mind control
and spook.
Speaker 8: We've got clockwork Orange on the list. I mean, we
mentioned also that Philip K. Dick one Scanner Darkly, a
Lone Skanner Darkly.
Speaker 1: We'll do some more m ks for sure. All have
a good night.
Speaker 8: Well maybe maybe Jay you can come on and we
can do