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Speaker 1: M dire wave. The scientific method cannot justify the scientific method.

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Therefore itself is a dogmatic.

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Speaker 2: Reser subsisions.

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Speaker 3: Still stop.

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Speaker 2: Stop stop, stop, stop stop stop, stop stop stops, let's

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stop stop stop, let's stop.

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Speaker 4: Stops insteads insens extends stood stock stop stocks stone and

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Speaker 1: The Brazenski model, the technocraft model, is much more interested

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in the incremental slow, killed babing an approach to bring

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technocracy into being. So they're not going to send homeland

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security troops to round you up and put you in

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a FEMA camp.

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Speaker 6: They'd much rather remote everybody being in video games, the Disney.

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Speaker 1: Gulog, the virtual reality gulog, all this kind of stuff

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is in much better FEMA camp in your home. They

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don't need the FEMA camp. It's it's too messy, it's

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a big ordeal, and it's all the nonsense of all

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the patriot crap on the radio.

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Speaker 7: That's not gonna happen.

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Speaker 1: They don't need to the shadow of the global government

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is already here. And as we said that it's in

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the latter stages of the mopping up process to move

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it into the next phase, i e. Between two ages

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of the next page.

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Speaker 6: Once you have atheism, there's not really any foundation. Anything

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can come and uplish.

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Speaker 5: Insish fish ship splash ash ash ash welsh ash ash

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lash ships ships storms shsh ash ash ash rash ash

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ash mash.

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Speaker 1: Ash throughout the course of philosophy. We can see in

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history when you divorce anthropology from this kind of a

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revealed framework that we're going to talk about, what you

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get is basically disaster, and you get things like reductionistic

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materialism and so forth that ultimately wipe out the notion

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of where it is to be human person. And when

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there's no notion of a human person, than things like

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free will, delition, these all all the way by the wayside,

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because they're ultimately a looser. If the world is a

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determined materialistic process, then free will is a laser, and

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so is consciousness.

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Speaker 2: H mm hmm.

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Speaker 1: Thirty thousand chatnirks, thirty thousand chat nerds, thirty thousand can.

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Speaker 2: You hear me, nurse?

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Speaker 1: Forty thousand of you live? Thirty thousand chaps yourself nerds

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are we.

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Speaker 3: Lyve said nothing?

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Speaker 5: And students sent.

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Speaker 5: S distant sus sus s s schemes.

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Speaker 7: There you got a.

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Speaker 1: Bargain day her.

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Speaker 7: Yes, a right.

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Speaker 2: H m hmm.

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Speaker 1: If only your antics were live. Ah, there we go.

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Speaker 7: Let me make yours.

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Speaker 1: So you can once again be a star like you

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want to be.

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Speaker 8: Star. That's all I got. I'm a big, bright, shining star.

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What's that?

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Speaker 1: What movie is that?

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Speaker 4: From?

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Speaker 1: What Bogie Nights?

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Speaker 7: Oh?

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Speaker 1: I don't even remember that.

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Speaker 8: Hear that? It's like I'm a star. I'm a big

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right shining star. It's got like this crazy mom. That's

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actually a decent movie for being such a big getre.

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Speaker 1: There we go. Now we can see beautiful glowing faces.

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I can never get the light right in here.

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Speaker 8: The thing is, no matter how much you wipe the camera,

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you can't wipe the ugly at.

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Speaker 1: It you know you're talking about on your screen?

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Speaker 8: Ooh, burn, what's happing?

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Speaker 1: Make sure I got the right crap turned on here?

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Multi output? Yeah, there we go. All right, we finally

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got it going. I'm always late as usual. You can

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always count on me to be consistently late, with Madman

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Tristan joining us two hundred and eighty nerds as we

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start to Night's break down. He's losing it, Tristan. The

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vegans are triggered this week, dude, this.

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Speaker 8: Has been like, this is probably one of the most

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hardcore vegan triggering weeks ever and we didn't We only

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talked to that guy for like less than two minutes.

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He didn't even debate. But there's still miss man. It's

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like a like we you know, swatted a wasp's nest

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or something they're swarming, and.

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Speaker 1: He's tagged you like every day, like ten times a day,

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and everything he posts this.

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Speaker 8: Has to remind me how much he owned me, right, Like,

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that's why he That's why he hasn't tagged me twenty

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times and dm me constantly twitter tagging. I blocked him

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on Twitter and Instagram, so I was just sick of

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the tagging and the DM But yeah, yeah, I'm not

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really sure what his narrative is now. But I haven't

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watched any of his videos, but I think he's made

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about three videos in the last few days. I think

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there's he's done like ten hours of streaming about our well,

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like ten minutes that he was even on my live stream.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't believe he did a six hour stream immediately

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after leaving our little tip protect like, you don't have

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nothing else going on that you're going to spend six

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hours talking about the ten minutes that we interacted. And

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you said that that a logic, that a informal fallacy

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is not a logical fallacy, which is pretty funny.

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Speaker 8: Well, I mean, I don't get it, man. You did it.

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You ask him if he had any education. He basically

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said no.

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Speaker 1: Uh, I googled.

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Speaker 8: I googled it.

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Speaker 1: He literally said, he googled it.

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Speaker 8: I googled something, dude. I that was one of the

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strangest encounters I've had with a vegan yet. And the

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fact that he was so he was so adamant that

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he wanted to come and debate me, and he was taunting.

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He made like three taunt videos and I was I

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didn't even watch the top videos. I was gonna watch

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them with him so we could respond to like whatever,

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you know, straw Man. He tried to pull yeah, but

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he didn't. He didn't even want to bring an argument.

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the narrative that's being woven is we pushed that we

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were so scared of Ask yourself. We were just so

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afraid of the.

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Speaker 1: Debate that we were scared.

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Speaker 8: We're so scared even though we've already debated, ask yourself.

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And he's been begging for he's been begging for a

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rematch for what two years now, ask yourself? And that's

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because he knows he won, right, you beg for a

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rematch and because you know you won. But yeah, what

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was I gonna say? There was a Oh, the narrative

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seems to be that I'm getting from the vegans. The

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message seems to be that I'm bald, bald man bad

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seems to be the main argument, and the other arguments

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are I muted him in our debate. We didn't even debate.

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I muted him because he was saying nothing, and he

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kept saying, oh, well, so you're cooking out, You're gonna

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cook out, You're gonna woos out, and I'm just like, dude,

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you're fucking muted. So anyways, I was muting him even

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though we weren't even debating. And I guess that was

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that that made me lose the debate that didn't even happen.

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The delusion is just next level right now. I don't

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really know how to keep up, but it's exciting, you know.

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I'm glad to be on their minds. We got some

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super fans. It seems most of my super fans are

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from the vegan the vegan world. But yeah, we'll see

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what happens maybe.

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Speaker 2: Though.

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Speaker 8: I did three nights in a row of open lines

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and not a single vegan called in.

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Speaker 1: I thought you call in, didn't you have one?

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Speaker 8: You're right one? But she was really cool.

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Speaker 1: She was okay. By the way, thank you for that

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fat super chat you did the last stream. I was

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starting to get a really neck crick headache going as

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kind of part of the reason I cut that stream quick.

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I did some other things that had to go do,

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but just testing it out. Look at that. That was

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that last super chat we got from old Trist himself.

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Speaker 8: Good old Trists, old bald ass Trist.

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Speaker 1: And bald as Trist And who is nutrient nutrient deficient

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from his meat serial killer Hannibal elector diet Yes, and

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all the vegans are buff and.

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Speaker 8: Strong and vegans No, there's no, it was amazing. Is

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there's no such thing as about vegan right, there's not

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not a single.

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Speaker 1: I mean Herrench one inch herbivor. I keep calling him

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inch herbivor, but that may be construed as a penile attack.

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But one INTIVORTI war. He has a bald head as

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Speaker 8: No, no, but that's but no, that's different.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: And also doctor Gregor right there, Uh, that's different. That's uh,

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that's from nutrient optimization and high testoster minds from cholesterol

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and lack of lack of veganism and lack of logic,

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lack of love and denial of science. Right that these

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Speaker 1: You have hannibal le tourism in you.

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Speaker 7: That's right.

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Speaker 1: I got the elect electarian, I.

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Speaker 8: Got that the meat.

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Speaker 1: They like the.

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Speaker 8: I don't know at this point. I will wait it

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I mean that that did still welcome, will come on.

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Whatever that fact's name was listening vegan logic after his

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real name. But he's welcome to come on. You can

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come and debate anytime, like I do, open do open,

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what's called open lines. I'll do another open lines probably

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next weekend. So any any vegans, you guys want to

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just you know, friendly.

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Speaker 1: The girl, the girl that we were laughing at calling

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Marina Abramovic's Marinka Abronkovich's daughter. She messaged me, but Jinaka

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had messaged me too.

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Speaker 8: She she emailed me and she came on.

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Speaker 1: She was the one who came on. Is she the

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one that came on?

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Speaker 8: Yeah? She was. Actually she was actually pretty cool, like

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she was, uh, she was mellow. We talked about I mean,

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I disagree with her. I think she's kind of illusional

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about some things. I think she's completely wrong about a

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lot of things. No, she was not psychotic, and she

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was was she was amiable and she could have a conversation, right,

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So she got more balls than lifting vegan logic. Which

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the way that he did it was just so funny.

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The way he did that. This dude knew damn well

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that we are never like, we're not about to debate.

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Ask yourself again unless there's some extreme circumstance to make

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it extra worth it and extra entertaining. But there's no

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point in it, right, and he's not welcome here. I

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know he's been stalking you for two years.

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Speaker 1: I got it.

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Speaker 8: I had to block him on YouTube, Instagram, I think

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Twitter as well, just because the incessant tagging and trying

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to challenge me to rematches. So what's his face? New

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that we weren't about to have ask yourself on yet

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he brought him. Anyways, I just thought it was funny.

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sixth grade or something.

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Speaker 2: Like.

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Speaker 8: It's like he's like he picked a fight and then

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trying to bring his big brother to the fight. But

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his big brother is a giant pussy also, so it's

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it's kind of, yeah, it didn't really work out.

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Speaker 1: Mine than you.

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Speaker 9: It's wide and it's strong, gut.

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Speaker 10: I go.

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Speaker 1: Inch King war. By the way, shout out to Mark Passio.

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Speaker 8: Shout Mark Passio. When you when you're coming on, man,

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that's that's the next one. Let's get the Mark Passio debate.

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Speaker 1: Mark. Come on.

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Speaker 8: We know you're you're huge fans, uh, come on you.

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We can debate your natural law or free Masonic law,

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or your great work or your widow's son's peak or whatever.

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It's a great work on the widow's peak of your

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widows son's peak or your uh, you can bring your

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two ball cane and your I don't know you can.

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You can even wear your cute little skirt thing, your

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gay little skirt where you have your holies of holies

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underneath it, as you call it. You got your two

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bull cane underneath that.

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Speaker 9: That's a two ball candy. Okay, you know you you

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have no idea how.

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Speaker 8: Strong I am on a vegan dying.

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Speaker 9: I want to find out.

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Speaker 8: Come on, dude, be best discovery ever. Though, maybe we

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should just watch that right now. Mark Passio's got a band.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you can play his musical copyright strike.

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Speaker 8: You can't copyright strike. If you play his music, it's

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not copyrighted.

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Speaker 1: But if you play somebody's clip, they can let it

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be known.

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Speaker 8: That Jaydre is afraid to play.

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Speaker 9: But let it be the Jay.

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Speaker 1: Look, I'm aggressive. I'm a Passio, aggressive.

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Speaker 8: Male Passio the bomb. I don't know the I don't

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really see any other vegan debates on the horizon. There's

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no legitimate debaters out there in the vegan world. Like

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their best thing is vegan game and ask yourself. They

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think that that's like the cream of the crop.

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Speaker 1: So you know, Tristan, really, when I was able to

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google a little bit and I ran a bunch of

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scientific papers and I realized that they're pure reviewed, and

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then I just signed that I had an only fans account.

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It was just sitting there, and so didn't he put

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his junk on only fans? Now?

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Speaker 8: He did? He did? I mean that's according to a

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screenshot of Twitter.

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Speaker 1: H no, I'm talking about you did it wrongs video.

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I'm gonna go look at began gains is vegetables.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I have Fortunately I have not

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seen it yet, but he had not yet, but I

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don't plan on seeing it at all. But yeah, I

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guess he did. He's he's gone next level. He's got

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full social media fentanyl on it. He's up on the

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only fans. Oh man, I just imagine. I can't imagine

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doing that.

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Speaker 1: I think that you kind of got to the bottom

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of it when you've met many times the fact that

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a lot of the people who grew up that age

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of the millennial and younger, they have been just raised

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on devices and so everything is on the table, everything

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is normalized basically.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Well, then even the social interactions are just so fake,

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and I mean, imagine, so we pulled that vegan on

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the other day up until the ask yourself to backle

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and then the stupid Weasley games he tried to play.

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When that happened, I would say we were pretty dang

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kind to him, and you know, I was asking him questions,

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trying to get him loosened up. But he's just sitting

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there looking around, looking at his phone. That that's I mean,

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I think he's like twenty two, twenty one years old.

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He's really young. That's that generation man, Like half of

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that generation are just zonked, just zonked, pilled out, nothing

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in their head except vanity pride, and it's just it's.

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Speaker 1: Sad man and the never ending quest to become a

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Nissa Leb.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Well it was funny. I made fun of him

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because he he had that little faded beard. He had

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this like Jersey shore, you know, like took him three

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hours to trim his beard. I made fun of him,

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but then he he tried, he tried to. I guess

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he interpreted as I was talking about his hairdoo, and

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he was very adamant at pointing out that my lack

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of hair, right so the bald man bad. So I

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just it's so funny to me, how like the arguments

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are basically new. It's just it's just you're baldman bad,

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You're bad, You're a murderer, and that's it. I I

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don't know, I don't know what other vegans are there.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: I had a similar experience this week too with the

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attempt at trying to organize debates with Roman Catholics, Taylor

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Marshall's former co Hounk co Honk. I like co I

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like co Honk better than co host.

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Speaker 8: I'm here with my co hunk j co Honk like

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honkler like like a honky.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Tim Gordongu, excuse me, Gordon, not gordong. Tim gordong

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Uh was talking smack and initially wanted to do a

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debate and said, give me four months. I said four

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months to do a debate. I said, dude, I'll debate

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this week. No, I want four months. So, as I

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was pondering, all right, I might do this, then he

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upped the ante and he says, no, it must be

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four months, and then must be in person, and you

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must fly to random Middle America city and if you don't,

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you're scared. So this is dubai.

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Speaker 8: We're gonna go a tag hashtag and if you don't

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show up, your scirit.

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Speaker 1: So do you see the trick here, because so three

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Roman Catholics now have done this where it's with William Albrecht,

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Trent horn H and then now Timothy Gordong where they

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do this thing where they say, if you don't show

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up to what I've now up the anti to a

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in person debate, you have chickened out and you're scared.

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When initially the discussion was do you want the come

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on a live stream in the next week or two

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to a debate? No, no, no, it has to be

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four months or no oh wait no, now it has

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to be in person at some random Middle America city.

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So what they will do is float the idea, taunt you,

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and then when you don't agree to their ridiculous criteria

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of how oh it needs to be in person. Meanwhile,

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these people debate on YouTube streams all the time every day.

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I mean, we've been in a COVID lockdown where these

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people are debating every day on live streams, going on

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live streaming. Oh but they're too busy to do a

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debate unless it's in person four months from now, which

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is all just ludicrous. It's all hot air. And the

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only reason I bring all that up is this is

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exactly what Vegan Logic did, where he knew that we

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weren't going to interact with goofus and then, which is

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why when I called him out when.

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Speaker 8: He's saying, oh, and I saw your debate with Vegan

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Games and that other person, and I specifically stopped and

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I said, what's the other person's name? Who's the other person? Yeah,

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I don't givenybody wants to go back and watch it.

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I specifically stopped at them when I said who, and

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he made I made him say his name. He said

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ask yourself, Oh okay, and then he brings them in.

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But it was it was pure, pure games. And as

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soon as as soon as it was over, he was

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already tagging me and trying to posture like he has

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somehow won some battle. It's like, dude, you can still

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come on a debate like there's there was no battle

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won by you. I mean, I guess maybe maybe there

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was no battle lost by you either, depending on who

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you asked. But you can just you can come back on, man.

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So I don't know, I think it's I think he's

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got a little narcissistic wound. I don't think he's ever

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debated anybody. He was really, I guess excited for some reason.

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He didn't bring an argument. It's like, you don't even

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have an argument. And he tried again the thing of oh,

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we prepared, we had a whole plan, did you how

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much did you? And I planned?

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Speaker 1: Jay, I didn't planning anything at all, planned nothing except

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except me talk. And I was like, dude, I told her,

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I mean, in twenty years, I don't think I've heard

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a new atheist type of argument. I don't even remember

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the last time I've heard one that was.

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Speaker 8: And the only conversation we had was I told you,

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you know what, I'm pretty sure he's gonna try to

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bring ask Yourself. That'd be really lame if he does.

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If he does, we'll just kick Ask Yourself and he

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can stay, or we can just you know, we we'll

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just keep streaming without the guys that they're going to

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play those gay games. And lo and behold, he did

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exactly what we predicted.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I knew he was going to bring Ask Yourself

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because in the little bit of the videos I'd watched

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he was just repeating these kind of really basic level

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misunderstandings of the transcetal argument. He was like, you can't

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use Chenil argument because like you're just assuming the thing

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they're talking about, and so it's not approved. It's just

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asserting it. But do you notice when you listen to

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Big and Logic talk, he's he's a little like he's

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a little bit of another one of these people who

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maybe even seems to like he has autism and that

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he just kind of like he just sat there scrolling

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on the phone like this for like ten minutes.

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Speaker 8: Yeah. Yeah, it was very strange.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know.

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Speaker 8: I mean, if you're gonna come to a debate and

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you got no arguments and you're not prepared to debate

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at all, and you can't even I thought you were

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lifting Vegan logic. I thought you had the points, how

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you had to talking points. You were gonna wreck me,

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You're gonna destroy me. You still you can still have

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a chance, dude, Like you can still come on and

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do it, even though you've been sperging out.

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Speaker 1: They don't want to debate. They only want to have

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drama so that they can claim that you've pulled out

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of a debate. Is how many years have I organized

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public debates, debated top Muslims, top atheists, you name it.

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And then they're playing like.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, well, and then now he's saying, oh well, I

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demanded debate on a neutral channel, A debate on a

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neutral channel.

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Speaker 1: What's your response to that? Primal edge health? Why will

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you not debate him on a neutral channel?

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Speaker 8: Why would Why would I write like I do? I do?

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How many streams a week? I've done five streams in

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the last like seven days. All those streams are three

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to four hours. Like three of those five streams I've

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opened up. I've done an open line zoom calls where

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anybody could call in right one vingan called in the

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whole time, one being called in. The rest were all

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friendlies and just people looking for some help. Why would

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I not do it on a so called visual platform?

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Why would Why would I? What do I have to

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gain from going into dating this nobody who's obsessed with

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me acting like a like a weird ex girlfriend in

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eighth grade.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's got three three thousand subs and he's literally

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tagging you like five times a day. It's weird.

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Speaker 8: And his argument is now, Oh, I looked at your

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metrics and your channel. Your channel has very bad engagement.

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And if I had these many viewers exactly, I would

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have five billion views if I.

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Speaker 10: Had as many of yours as you And your channel

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is not popular, and I'm more popular than you.

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Speaker 8: And I looked at the back end, and you're not popular,

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but I'm popular as if as if the numbers have anything.

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You know, half of my audience tells me all the

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time that they get auto unsubscribed by YouTube. A lot

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of people who've been long term viewers and long term

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supporters and super chatters tell me, dude, I've been unsubscribed

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four or five times.

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Speaker 1: I never getting because.

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Speaker 8: It's like and but they're always revealing what they give

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a shit about. I want a bit popular. I'm more

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popular than you, Like, That's that's what they care about.

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They care about the attention, they care about the fake

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sense of clout, and they care about the fake ego

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game of the online world, which I don't give a

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shit about any about any of that. Like, I'll debate anybody, anyone,

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if you can come on. I'm not going to prep

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for any of your debates, right because the arguments stand

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on their own. So anyways, that's that's kind of I

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guess a good summary of the last week of vegan

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attacks online. Vegans, keep them coming, please.

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Speaker 1: Videos our stuff. Tonight we got a nice fat super

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chat from Zach. Will read that here in a minute

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if you want to support the show. Of course, you know,

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stream labs is now the means by which we do

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the super chats, and uh that is the link there.

475
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:53,440
And yes to the people in the chat. If you

476
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,840
remember last year, this month was spook tober A Jason

477
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,679
Aliso somebody covered quite a few spooky things and we

478
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:01,599
had a lot of fun doing the Lost Boys and

479
00:41:02,639 --> 00:41:05,920
the whole Sexy sax Man. That's a that's gonna be,

480
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:12,000
I think, a yearly, routine, yearly ceremony where we relive

481
00:41:12,079 --> 00:41:17,039
and replay and sing the Sexy sax Man Lost Boys stuff.

482
00:41:18,039 --> 00:41:23,360
I still believe we're not gonna do that tonight. Yes,

483
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,360
that goofy song in the chat, But tonight we're gonna

484
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,760
be talking about to my control classics ones that I've

485
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:31,440
been waiting to get to for a long time. And

486
00:41:31,519 --> 00:41:37,199
there's nobody better to get to with than Tristan the

487
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:41,400
Hannibal Lecter of the Carnosphere. Uh, and we're gonna be

488
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,719
talking about Total Recall and Jacob's Ladder, So I think

489
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:47,719
it would be fun to start with Do you want

490
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:49,920
to start with the goofy or the serious?

491
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,760
Speaker 8: I'd rather I think I'd rather start with the serious

492
00:41:53,039 --> 00:41:55,719
than get into the goofy after because I and I've

493
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,480
most recently watched it. Just watched Jacob's Ladder today and

494
00:41:58,559 --> 00:41:59,679
it's the first time with that scrip.

495
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,159
Speaker 1: Let me flip the script over to the heart.

496
00:42:02,119 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 8: Flipping, we'd be script flipping, and I was. I was

497
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,280
pretty surprised at how much they put in that that

498
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,760
Jacob's Lack film. There's a lot revealed there, a lot

499
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:16,760
of real stuff. It seems like the director was rather

500
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,519
close to the material and uh and really cared.

501
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,119
Speaker 1: Well. This is so. I first saw this movie back

502
00:42:23,159 --> 00:42:26,159
when it came out around well, not when it came out,

503
00:42:26,159 --> 00:42:29,360
maybe around high school time. And uh, it was one

504
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:33,519
of my introductions to m kiltra that and conspiracy theory

505
00:42:33,559 --> 00:42:36,199
with Mel Gibson. So, by the way, we're going to

506
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:41,159
be doing more spooktober scary streams this week, including serial Killers,

507
00:42:41,199 --> 00:42:46,320
Antichrist movies, Uh, Mike ConTroll more my control movies because

508
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,559
there's a ton of Minkel. There's like thirty Mike control movies.

509
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,599
We'll do them all. But oh, one last weird point,

510
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:57,800
UH shout out to uh the super fan. We'll call

511
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:02,199
him Simon. And so I've been getting lengthy emails from

512
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,920
from a mega encyclopedic film buff, Simon. I don't know

513
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,840
who Simon is, but he's sent me some really awesome,

514
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:14,840
in depth lists of movies that he uh thinks are

515
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:19,039
really poignant in terms of conspiracy stuff, and they're real obscure.

516
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,000
A lot of these are like seventies movies I've never

517
00:43:22,079 --> 00:43:25,159
heard of, but uh, he really put in the time

518
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,119
to make this huge list of recommended movies. So I

519
00:43:28,199 --> 00:43:30,480
want to give Simon a shout out and let you know, Simon,

520
00:43:30,519 --> 00:43:34,880
whoever you are. Yes, we will comer, Comer, Coomer, we

521
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:40,880
will coomber. We will cover some of those movies. I'm

522
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,199
busted as I'm a coomber now because I said comer.

523
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:48,000
We will cover not Coomer, some of those movies in

524
00:43:48,119 --> 00:43:55,199
the next several weeks. It's October. But at one last

525
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:59,480
weird point about whoever Simon is, I was looking up

526
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,000
these listed films and they just happened to be a

527
00:44:03,079 --> 00:44:08,840
famous director's favorite obscure films, quite a few of them.

528
00:44:09,079 --> 00:44:13,719
So is Simon a secret famous director? I mean it's

529
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:15,800
probably not, but I like to entertain in my head

530
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:19,880
that I'm getting fed, you know, movie recommendations from the

531
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:23,000
top of Hollywood in terms of classic directors. I won't

532
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:27,679
say who, but we'll we'll let it simmer as if

533
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:34,440
that's the case. Maybe anyway, for sure, So somebody already dead, Yes,

534
00:44:34,559 --> 00:44:37,599
he's Kuber's not really dead. He's in hiding and he's

535
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:39,400
he's going by the name of Simon.

536
00:44:39,159 --> 00:44:42,559
Speaker 8: And he's his consciousness was uploaded into the cloud and

537
00:44:42,639 --> 00:44:46,639
that's what's contacting. The AI has become so advanced, the

538
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:47,920
Kubrick is speaking through it.

539
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 1: One thing that was neat about this that I do

540
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:53,679
want to touch on. I'll let you kick it off

541
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,239
on Jacob's ladder what you want to mention first. But

542
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:00,880
I did not realize until this last view all of

543
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:05,079
the literary and book references. So there's all of it.

544
00:45:05,519 --> 00:45:06,559
Speaker 8: Yeah, all of that right.

545
00:45:06,599 --> 00:45:09,159
Speaker 1: The beginnings pop up throughout the movie and they give

546
00:45:09,199 --> 00:45:12,119
you a big clue into what it's about. But I'll

547
00:45:12,199 --> 00:45:14,199
let you kick it off here. It's getting too dark

548
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:15,840
in here. Look like a creeper in here in this

549
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:18,960
dark room. I have to put some lights on.

550
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 8: Yeah, man, I think Well, you mentioned literary illusions. One

551
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,519
of the one of the first books that you see

552
00:45:26,599 --> 00:45:33,800
in it is he's reading He's reading The Stranger, yes, Albert,

553
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:42,519
which is one of the most It's very postmodern The Stranger,

554
00:45:42,599 --> 00:45:46,920
you know, it's kind of an exploration of nihilism and

555
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:51,480
postmodern bullshit existentialism and kind of like a tome on,

556
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,480
well why not just kill your damn self? I mean,

557
00:45:54,519 --> 00:45:58,719
that's basically the theme of The Stranger is, well, you

558
00:45:58,800 --> 00:45:59,920
might as well just kill yourself.

559
00:46:00,159 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 1: Yes, So it's an artistic.

560
00:46:01,559 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 8: Way, of course, because that's super artsy.

561
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:10,280
Speaker 1: Well, it's an immediate, foreboding kind of image that lets

562
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,199
us know where the movie is going to go, right,

563
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:16,159
So we're already being told from the outset. You know,

564
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:19,119
this is about death and suicide. So something's going on

565
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,400
here with life and death. That's what the movie is about.

566
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,440
And we don't know if we did he commit suicide?

567
00:46:26,559 --> 00:46:29,400
Is he dead? It's that it's not really about that yet,

568
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,559
but it's just kind of giving you the the ominous

569
00:46:32,639 --> 00:46:36,000
impression that the movie is going to be about death.

570
00:46:36,079 --> 00:46:37,400
And by the way, I was looking up some of

571
00:46:38,679 --> 00:46:44,719
Adrian Lynn's other famous films. He's done a couple of

572
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:51,039
those kind of crappy erotic dramas like Indecent Proposal, fatal

573
00:46:51,079 --> 00:46:53,679
Attraction type stuff, which Fail Attraction I think is kind

574
00:46:53,679 --> 00:46:56,000
of a famous movie. I'm not really into that kind

575
00:46:56,000 --> 00:47:01,800
of stuff. But he did this version to so Kubrick's Lolita,

576
00:47:02,559 --> 00:47:07,280
and then he did the Flashdance, which is an odd one,

577
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:13,760
and Jacob's Ladder. So not a whole lot of esoteric

578
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:17,239
precedent for Adrian Lynn films, but we do have over

579
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:19,519
four hundred nerds tonight. Welcome everybody. You can support the

580
00:47:19,519 --> 00:47:22,719
show with super chests. But so nineteen ninety, this was

581
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,519
a weird time in movies. We're getting towards the end

582
00:47:26,119 --> 00:47:32,800
of the eighties and the onset of the action hero, right,

583
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,800
so this is when action hero movies are really going

584
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:36,360
to kick.

585
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 8: In nineteen ninety and both of these movies were nineteen ninety.

586
00:47:41,679 --> 00:47:44,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, this was a weird year for movies. I mean,

587
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:46,760
it's funny to watch Total Recall, by the way, and

588
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:49,280
think about that being the big summer blockbuster. I don't know,

589
00:47:50,079 --> 00:47:53,599
I crack up, Like I think Total Recalls hilarious. Every

590
00:47:53,679 --> 00:47:54,280
time I watch it.

591
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 8: I laugh more so funny.

592
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 1: And to think that this was like the big summer

593
00:47:58,800 --> 00:47:59,760
blockbuster movie.

594
00:48:00,679 --> 00:48:02,519
Speaker 8: Do you think people were laughing in the theater like.

595
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 1: Now, No, I think people looked at it like it was,

596
00:48:06,519 --> 00:48:08,760
you know, an action blockbuster, right, so it was like,

597
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:13,159
you know, whoa dude, Arnold kicking butt, you know that

598
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:18,000
kind of a thing. Because scene, Yeah.

599
00:48:18,199 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 8: I thought it was really interesting. The opening scene, it's

600
00:48:20,519 --> 00:48:23,480
kind of, uh, you have these these helicopters coming in

601
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:27,000
and they're they're carting in. You can't really tell what

602
00:48:27,119 --> 00:48:29,599
it is that they're carrying. There's something that they're hanging below,

603
00:48:29,639 --> 00:48:32,639
and it's kind of this visual symbol of the fall

604
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,400
almost right. I mean you have you have these helicopters

605
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:38,559
coming down from the sky and then they're flying over

606
00:48:38,639 --> 00:48:41,519
this lake or you know, a body of water. You

607
00:48:41,599 --> 00:48:45,320
can see the reflection, and the reflection is a really

608
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:48,800
big Windows are very big motif in this in the film.

609
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:53,840
Reflections and windows and which is similar to the Total

610
00:48:53,920 --> 00:49:00,119
recall a lot of multi dimensional aspects to it. The

611
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:03,719
question of whether or not this is a real reality Yeah,

612
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:05,400
exactly like that matrix type.

613
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:09,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, mirrors are mirrors are often associated with the psyche,

614
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,159
So definitely gonna be relevant in both these movies. And

615
00:49:12,199 --> 00:49:15,760
I'll so I like the setting as Vietnam because if

616
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:22,519
you remember the the Douglas Valentine book about the Phoenix Program,

617
00:49:23,159 --> 00:49:25,960
we think that, you know, perhaps there's something related to

618
00:49:26,039 --> 00:49:28,599
Phoenix program here and that will actually come up later.

619
00:49:28,679 --> 00:49:30,960
Now they don't mention dougas Valentine's book, but they do

620
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:35,559
intimate and hint at it being the Phoenix Program, and

621
00:49:35,679 --> 00:49:36,320
not just that.

622
00:49:37,039 --> 00:49:39,280
Speaker 8: It's a crazy scene. Like the first scene is nuts.

623
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:42,480
I mean, there's these soldiers, they're hanging out, they're joking

624
00:49:42,519 --> 00:49:45,079
with each other, ra can lose jokes, and then all

625
00:49:45,079 --> 00:49:48,519
of a sudden they're engaged in a battle to get ambushed.

626
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:51,280
But there's something else that happens. There seems to be

627
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:55,360
some sort of like almost like an electromagnetic weapon type

628
00:49:55,639 --> 00:49:58,840
you think here, and they all start crying out.

629
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 1: Later and they go into this kind of like disturbia,

630
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:08,920
you know, kind of agitated, almost a possessed type of state,

631
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:12,400
and we later find out that there was an experimental

632
00:50:12,519 --> 00:50:16,639
drug used called the Ladder. So Jacob's Ladder is actually

633
00:50:16,639 --> 00:50:20,239
a name for this experimental drug that the chemist will

634
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:22,880
later say sends you straight down the ladder to the

635
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:26,360
bottom pits of hell, namely the deepest parts of the psyche,

636
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:31,199
where the most primal drives are rape, just pure rage

637
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:36,079
and sort of demonic fervor. And that's why we would say, Okay,

638
00:50:36,119 --> 00:50:38,159
so this does fit into the Phoenix program, because the

639
00:50:38,199 --> 00:50:40,800
whole purpose of the Phoenix program, the real thing, was

640
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:47,360
to create literal, sociopathic psycho serial killers, and they use

641
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:50,519
Vietnam as this test bed to terrorize Via Kong. And

642
00:50:50,599 --> 00:50:53,280
then this is dreamt up by the Cia William Colby,

643
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:56,719
I think, in the Valentine book. And then the you know,

644
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:59,320
Dave mcgallan's thesis is that some of these guys may

645
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:02,159
have come back to the US, and that's where we

646
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:04,559
get some of these serial killers, is that they were

647
00:51:04,599 --> 00:51:09,719
perhaps involved in these kinds of programs anyway. But yeah,

648
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,519
so we're watching Tim Robbins kind of meander about New

649
00:51:12,599 --> 00:51:15,199
York and go about his day and he's having these flashbacks, right,

650
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:17,079
so we know that it's to do with drugs, and

651
00:51:17,519 --> 00:51:21,159
like Tristan said, he flashes back to this what we

652
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:23,519
think is a traumatic experience that maybe in the past

653
00:51:23,559 --> 00:51:26,800
when he's you know, in Vietnam, and now it's you know,

654
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:30,280
early mid eighties or sometime. It looks kind of eighties.

655
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:32,400
I don't I guess it's supposed to be nineteen ninety,

656
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:35,159
but they don't really sell say the date. It's just

657
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:39,800
after his Vietnam period. But the first thing he sees

658
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:43,280
after you see the Camu book is he looks on

659
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,599
the wall and the subway and he's stuck in the

660
00:51:46,639 --> 00:51:49,079
Simpty subway and he tries to walk up a different

661
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,559
exit and it's boarded up. He can't get out, so

662
00:51:52,679 --> 00:51:55,320
he's stuck in the underworld. And he looks over at

663
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:58,440
this billboard and it says welcome to Hell, or you're

664
00:51:58,480 --> 00:51:59,880
in Hell, or New York as Hell.

665
00:52:00,119 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 8: It's just as hell. He in something about drugs after

666
00:52:03,559 --> 00:52:06,679
a fire, and we'll see if I can find the

667
00:52:07,039 --> 00:52:14,039
hell here it is. I can't try hell. That's what

668
00:52:14,159 --> 00:52:16,800
life can be doing drugs. But it doesn't have to

669
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,280
be that way. Help is available day or night.

670
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:22,760
Speaker 1: Drug So the drug reference makes it even more relevant

671
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:26,599
because he's struggling with these these flashbacks. Because of this,

672
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:30,599
we think this terrible you know, component, and then he

673
00:52:30,679 --> 00:52:33,639
sees these hobo demons. He sees a hobo demon with

674
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:36,280
a tail. By the way, hobo demons comes up a lot,

675
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,000
and you know, John Carpenter, David Lynch.

676
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,159
Speaker 8: Yeah, we just talking about that. One of the other stream.

677
00:52:42,079 --> 00:52:46,159
Speaker 1: He sees the train passengers as demons, remember this. He

678
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:48,760
looks and he sees like demons and demonic faces in

679
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,599
the in the train car that goes and they.

680
00:52:51,519 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 8: Just kind of stare at him, right, they just kind

681
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:56,519
of everything seems to be glaring at him and reflecting

682
00:52:56,559 --> 00:52:58,920
back in him. But then he keeps, he keeps switching up.

683
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:01,400
He's he's super disorient He can't tell whether he's in

684
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:03,480
a dream or reality, can't tell whether he's living in

685
00:53:03,519 --> 00:53:06,360
a flashback or living in the present time. And he's

686
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:08,000
lost in time exactly.

687
00:53:08,119 --> 00:53:11,199
Speaker 1: He's starting to dissociate and lose track of when.

688
00:53:11,159 --> 00:53:13,639
Speaker 8: And where he is right and a lot of the

689
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:17,400
dissociation is happening surrounding the relationship that he has with

690
00:53:17,559 --> 00:53:21,960
this woman, Jezebel, her jez But they have this interesting

691
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:25,239
conversation about these biblical names. What do you think about

692
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:25,639
that scene?

693
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 1: Well, the movie is gonna be full of these biblical references.

694
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:31,679
So I'm glad you mentioned that, because you know his

695
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:35,679
name is Jacob, she's Jezebel. He makes a joke about

696
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:38,920
Jezebel and kind of that she appears to be the

697
00:53:40,079 --> 00:53:43,599
evil woman who broke up or is somehow involved in

698
00:53:43,679 --> 00:53:47,079
this marriage split, right, because he's got an ex wife

699
00:53:47,159 --> 00:53:49,920
that we find out about. And then Tim Robbins has

700
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:55,679
this picture of who Macaulay Culkin ironically, and he's lost

701
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:58,119
his son, right, so we know he's been traumatized by

702
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:01,280
both Vietnam and the loss of his on. So we

703
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:03,119
know we're dealing with a guy who's going to damage

704
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:04,320
traumatized psyche.

705
00:54:05,159 --> 00:54:05,280
Speaker 4: Uh.

706
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 1: And then we find out that this one, this woman

707
00:54:07,519 --> 00:54:11,239
that's in his life, this girlfriend is you know, intentionally

708
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:14,519
referred to as Jezebel, as this evil figure, so she's

709
00:54:14,559 --> 00:54:16,920
got something to do with what's going on here. And

710
00:54:17,039 --> 00:54:21,119
he starts having these kind of weird freakouts that she's

711
00:54:21,639 --> 00:54:24,360
a demon or demonic, and it's almost like the names

712
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:26,480
in the movie are going to start giving you clues

713
00:54:26,559 --> 00:54:27,679
to good guys bad guys.

714
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:30,639
Speaker 8: Yeah, there's even a scene where they're at that party

715
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:35,000
and he's drinking and he seems to go into a

716
00:54:35,079 --> 00:54:37,119
kind of a flashback that might have been triggered by

717
00:54:37,199 --> 00:54:40,519
the lights. So there's the strobing lights.

718
00:54:40,679 --> 00:54:45,280
Speaker 1: And the strobing that that's what triggered him, you know, Yeah, so.

719
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:49,800
Speaker 8: The lights triggered him. So this this idea of multiple

720
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:52,639
personality disorder, associated identity disorder, what do you want, whatever

721
00:54:52,639 --> 00:54:55,199
you want to call it, that was studied intensely during

722
00:54:55,199 --> 00:54:57,119
the m KL TRA days. You know, you and Cameron

723
00:54:57,559 --> 00:55:02,360
uh and his psychic driving experiments, monarch Inca.

724
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 1: Search and Cay Delta. Yeah, they're all dealing without you.

725
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 8: Yeah, So and then he sees these demons copulating kind

726
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:14,360
of like a similar to My Fear and Loathing in

727
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:17,400
Las Vegas or Hunter Thompson's visions of you know, just

728
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:20,159
lizards humping each other's his like tails going around his

729
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:22,719
girlfriend's legs and stuff. And it's kind of a raunchy

730
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:26,639
demonic sex scene there. And he's just he's haunted by this,

731
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:28,559
and he keeps switching back and forth between his old

732
00:55:28,639 --> 00:55:31,840
family but he was that he had during the Vietnam

733
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:34,239
War or before he went to Vietnam, and then this

734
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:41,159
new girlfriend. But he's he's so fractured and confused, and

735
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:43,119
it seems like he's searching for something when he's trying

736
00:55:43,119 --> 00:55:45,639
to figure out what's going on, but he's just lost

737
00:55:45,679 --> 00:55:45,840
in it.

738
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, you hit it right there. So he's going to

739
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:51,119
be on a journey, a soul journey. This is not

740
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:55,000
going to be a journey that is temporal from beginning

741
00:55:55,039 --> 00:55:59,159
to end. It's a cyclical, archetypal journey of the soul

742
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:04,880
through different experiences that are intended to cure and purge him.

743
00:56:06,039 --> 00:56:07,679
So we'll get to that here in a little bit.

744
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:11,639
But the first what you mentioned is he sees an incubus.

745
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:14,639
He sees which is a demon that sleeps with a woman,

746
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:22,199
essentially controlling copulating with his girlfriend, Jezebel, And this is

747
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:24,239
where he starts to think something's off, something is wrong.

748
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:28,960
There are apparently demonic forces in his life that are

749
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:33,920
causing and triggering and relating to these traumas. So he's

750
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:39,039
seemingly beginning then to start question things, questioning spiritual things.

751
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:42,639
And this is where we start noticing more interesting books

752
00:56:42,679 --> 00:56:46,719
popping up. The really weirdest of all, which I never

753
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:51,119
noticed until this last viewing, was he has right by

754
00:56:51,159 --> 00:56:54,639
his bed the stack of books, one of which is

755
00:56:54,719 --> 00:57:03,960
a Crollian type of a magical text relating to planetary

756
00:57:04,159 --> 00:57:07,960
ritual magic. And it's called the Magical Philosophy Sword and Serpent,

757
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:11,840
And this is a book about Kabbalistic philosophy relating to

758
00:57:12,079 --> 00:57:16,559
planets and the psyche and ritual magic. So oddly enough

759
00:57:16,599 --> 00:57:18,519
he's got that book. Right next to it is a

760
00:57:18,599 --> 00:57:22,159
book called The Savage God on a study of suicide

761
00:57:22,719 --> 00:57:26,360
in another book called Social Evolution. So right away we're

762
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:28,239
getting a clue that this movie is going to be

763
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:32,559
about the esoteric journey of the soul after death. This

764
00:57:32,719 --> 00:57:35,519
is very common in Gnostic traditions. And as I mentioned

765
00:57:35,599 --> 00:57:38,719
to you many times, Tristan, and actually this movie made

766
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:43,320
me buy the book. I've just ordered Timothy Leary's commentary

767
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:45,679
on the Tibetan Book of the Dead, which is where

768
00:57:45,719 --> 00:57:51,440
he describes the LSD trip as the Tibetan journey of

769
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:54,280
the soul. It's the same experience, he thinks, and that's

770
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:54,719
the key.

771
00:57:54,679 --> 00:57:58,039
Speaker 8: To this movie now, in this film actually has a

772
00:57:58,119 --> 00:58:01,840
lot of similarities. I mean, at least journey has similarities

773
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:07,400
to the film Enter the Void. Yeah, but that very

774
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:09,159
hard to watch. I don't know if i'd recommend it.

775
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:12,000
It's the cinematography is pretty crazy on that film. The

776
00:58:12,559 --> 00:58:14,280
lighting is great. The guy the guy who did the

777
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:17,559
cinematography is the guy who did Spring Breakers. So it's

778
00:58:17,599 --> 00:58:22,840
got that like that really candy style, pastel style, bright

779
00:58:23,039 --> 00:58:26,559
neon stuff. I think I would recommend it, but it's

780
00:58:26,679 --> 00:58:29,480
very difficult to watch. It is disturbing as heck Entwer

781
00:58:29,559 --> 00:58:32,079
the Void, but it's a similar journey that he goes on,

782
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:37,159
except this seems to be more kind of like Masonic

783
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:41,199
and Catholic rather than Eastern. Right, it seems to be

784
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:44,519
more the idea of purgatory is being excorrected.

785
00:58:44,559 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 1: And now he will even come up because yeah, he

786
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:51,800
as he's reading through all these texts trying to figure

787
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:55,000
out what's going on, he actually reads Dante's Pergoccio correct.

788
00:58:57,039 --> 00:58:59,239
Speaker 8: And then there's that other book he's got about witchcraft

789
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:01,320
sitting on the on the table as well, right, it's

790
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:01,960
like the Witches.

791
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:04,480
Speaker 1: Oh yes he does, he has a h and I'll

792
00:59:04,519 --> 00:59:06,679
look that book up too, And that is a book

793
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:12,679
dealing with to husband and wife wickan couple called the

794
00:59:12,719 --> 00:59:16,599
Witch's Bible, The Sabots of Rights, sabots and rights of birth,

795
00:59:16,719 --> 00:59:20,119
death and marriage. And then he's got a book on demonology,

796
00:59:20,239 --> 00:59:22,280
and then he's got a book called Roots of Evil,

797
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:25,079
and then he's reading through Pregassio. So all those books

798
00:59:25,119 --> 00:59:28,639
are clues telling us what it's going on in this film.

799
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 8: And the funny now that this film actually does have

800
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:36,920
similarities to spring Breakers as well, which is another one

801
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:38,440
we covered. I think we did that on my channel.

802
00:59:40,159 --> 00:59:47,119
This like the weird, the strange, disjointed narrative, the dreamscape

803
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:49,280
type narrative. I think that spring Breakers actually does have

804
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:51,119
a lot of similarities to this as well, especially if

805
00:59:51,159 --> 00:59:52,519
you get to the end of spring Breakers and you

806
00:59:52,639 --> 00:59:55,559
realize what was really happening, what these little girls really are.

807
00:59:57,199 --> 01:00:01,039
They're literal demons in the film. Yes, so yeah, I

808
01:00:01,079 --> 01:00:03,280
didn't even think of that. Somebody mentioned spring Breakers in there,

809
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:05,400
spraying break Forever.

810
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 1: The basically riff raff character.

811
01:00:09,039 --> 01:00:12,000
Speaker 8: Look at all my ship. I got scar Face on repeat,

812
01:00:14,519 --> 01:00:15,840
I got, I got, I got.

813
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:19,760
Speaker 1: If you guys like the streams that Tristan and I do,

814
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:22,239
be sure to go back and watch our backlog. We've

815
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:24,920
done like ten shows now, so we've got.

816
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 8: Have to start our own. Like just Jay Interest in

817
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:29,960
stream channel, we do. Half our episodes are with each other.

818
01:00:30,239 --> 01:00:33,559
Maybe maybe we should do a weekly thing like regular.

819
01:00:34,599 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. I get a lot of great feedback from me

820
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:39,679
and you, mainly me, but it's a little bit of you.

821
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:40,519
But that's okay.

822
01:00:40,559 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 8: I get mostly feedback about me. People say, well, then

823
01:00:43,199 --> 01:00:46,400
I even.

824
01:00:45,079 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 1: Except that it's not even because I'm better, But that's fine. Gabriel,

825
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:55,800
let's talk about Gabriel, because Gabriel is his chiropractor who

826
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:59,440
fixes his things that are out of aligne now, alignment.

827
01:00:59,599 --> 01:01:02,360
This is chakra type stuff, right, So so when he's

828
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:07,760
aligning Tim Robbinson's chakra, it's like opening up these trigger points,

829
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:13,800
these trigger moments and the fixing of the spine. I mean,

830
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:16,719
it has that Eastern chakra reference, but it also has

831
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:21,079
a reference to Gabriel being this kind of guardian angel figure.

832
01:01:21,159 --> 01:01:25,119
Speaker 8: He's basically he says, if anybody told you you're you're

833
01:01:25,159 --> 01:01:27,679
like an angel, like an angel, and he says to him, yes,

834
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:29,360
all the time, you tell me that all the time,

835
01:01:29,599 --> 01:01:30,039
something like that.

836
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:34,039
Speaker 1: So guardian Angel appears to him in the form of yeah,

837
01:01:34,119 --> 01:01:36,960
this kind of character that that was a guy that

838
01:01:37,079 --> 01:01:39,960
he you know, confided in, looked up to a healing

839
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:42,360
agent in his life. His chiropractor.

840
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:46,760
Speaker 8: But then he also gets triggered into a flashback when

841
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:50,280
he when he cracks his neck throws him into another spiral.

842
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:54,119
Speaker 1: And the reason for that is that what we later

843
01:01:54,199 --> 01:01:58,280
find out is that Gabriel is telling him that, like,

844
01:01:58,519 --> 01:02:02,920
I need to fix and purge these areas of your life,

845
01:02:03,119 --> 01:02:06,800
because he says, you're attached and if you have these

846
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:11,039
attachments when you die, it's going to torment you. And

847
01:02:11,159 --> 01:02:14,760
so you need to be purged of these attachments so

848
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:18,039
that you can move on and not be tormented. And

849
01:02:18,119 --> 01:02:21,360
so he says this really interesting phrase that the the

850
01:02:21,519 --> 01:02:25,159
demons that are tormenting you are actually for your good

851
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:28,679
because they're doing this in the long run to purge

852
01:02:28,719 --> 01:02:30,840
you from these attachments. And of course we find out

853
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:35,159
that his attachment is well, he has many attachments, but

854
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:36,840
the main one is that he won't let go of

855
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:37,679
the death of his son.

856
01:02:40,119 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 8: Well, he says, it's kind of a relativistic philosophy that

857
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:48,840
he that he portrays too of almost like, oh, everything

858
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:51,599
is one kind of thing of you. It's just what

859
01:02:51,719 --> 01:02:53,360
did he say? I think he says, it's all on

860
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:55,280
how you look at it, right, It's kind of like

861
01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:56,840
it's all just like how you look at it. It

862
01:02:56,920 --> 01:02:59,559
could be angels, it could be demons. It's all just

863
01:02:59,599 --> 01:03:01,599
a matter of perspective.

864
01:03:01,119 --> 01:03:04,880
Speaker 1: Man, that's true. Unfortunately, the film does kind of air

865
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:07,440
and fall over into the side of the far Eastern

866
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:10,119
version of things. But I would recommend for those that

867
01:03:10,199 --> 01:03:13,519
are interested just to kind of tie in the Orthodox

868
01:03:13,559 --> 01:03:15,840
element to it, is that if you read Father seffrom

869
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:18,639
Rose the book The Soul after Death, he will actually

870
01:03:18,719 --> 01:03:21,679
talk about there are some similarities with the Tibetan Book

871
01:03:21,679 --> 01:03:24,440
of the Dead and the Orthodox conception of what happens

872
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:27,800
after death, and so he will cover this kind of

873
01:03:28,119 --> 01:03:30,519
how we conceive of that there is a journey of

874
01:03:30,559 --> 01:03:33,199
the soul after death and what's called the toll houses

875
01:03:33,239 --> 01:03:35,000
and this kind of stuff. So in a way you

876
01:03:35,039 --> 01:03:37,960
could understand this as a toll house film. I mean, obviously,

877
01:03:38,039 --> 01:03:41,559
again it's kind of paganized and it's not exactly our view.

878
01:03:41,679 --> 01:03:46,800
But the rough idea here is correct that there were

879
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:52,679
some purgations that he needed to undergo in his afterlife experience.

880
01:03:53,039 --> 01:03:55,880
Speaker 8: And his son, I don't think you mentioned this. The

881
01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:56,960
son is Macaulay.

882
01:03:56,639 --> 01:04:00,800
Speaker 1: Culkin, that is weird, who even claims to have undergone

883
01:04:01,239 --> 01:04:03,480
like mind control. I mean, I'm not saying his clums

884
01:04:03,519 --> 01:04:03,840
are true.

885
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:06,159
Speaker 8: I don't know, but did he say that? I mean

886
01:04:06,199 --> 01:04:07,320
I saw, yeah, I mean, may have.

887
01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:09,119
Speaker 1: Just been looking for attention. I don't know, but I

888
01:04:09,199 --> 01:04:09,920
think he's had.

889
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:11,639
Speaker 8: Holy Culchan got real weird the last couple of years.

890
01:04:11,639 --> 01:04:14,280
I don't know, if you've seen his his website, podcast

891
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:18,199
and stuff. Yeah, yeah, lots of very very strange symbolism there.

892
01:04:18,559 --> 01:04:21,360
He was on Joe Rogan. It was odd to the least.

893
01:04:21,559 --> 01:04:24,119
Remember that he's been through some tough times, man. But yeah,

894
01:04:24,119 --> 01:04:25,840
I don't know. It's just something about McAuley culchan that

895
01:04:26,079 --> 01:04:28,599
is very sad, right seeing him as a little boy,

896
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:32,920
it's it's really sad, like he just he looks to

897
01:04:33,039 --> 01:04:35,679
me like somebody who's dealing with a lot of pain

898
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:37,639
at that young age. I think he might be five

899
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:40,559
or six years old in the film here. Yeah, just

900
01:04:40,639 --> 01:04:42,480
looks like a really abuse little child.

901
01:04:42,599 --> 01:04:42,719
Speaker 2: Man.

902
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:44,400
Speaker 8: And I can't I don't know. I got a son

903
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:46,079
who's four years old right now. So it's hard to

904
01:04:46,119 --> 01:04:48,960
see that these little kids in Hollywood getting passed around

905
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:51,719
in these films and stuff and hanging out with these creepers,

906
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:54,599
and who knows what's going on on these sets. But

907
01:04:55,199 --> 01:04:57,280
especially when you have these monster films and ship like that,

908
01:04:57,440 --> 01:05:00,519
where there you have kids doing scenes that they're acting

909
01:05:00,559 --> 01:05:05,039
out and ritually involved in scenes that are are things

910
01:05:05,079 --> 01:05:07,400
that they should never be exposed to. And these actors,

911
01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:12,320
as young children child actors, are being exposed to sexuality,

912
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:16,840
They're being exposed to hyper violence. It's even like these

913
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:20,719
crazy animatronic monsters in the nineties and eighties films. These

914
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:24,320
little kids are being traumatized on these sets. And yeah,

915
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:26,199
I think I think that's something a lot of people

916
01:05:26,239 --> 01:05:28,519
don't think about when you watch these children in these films.

917
01:05:28,559 --> 01:05:30,639
Speaker 1: I wondered about that too, Like what if I mean,

918
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:35,840
we know that there's instances where films, film studios, production

919
01:05:36,679 --> 01:05:42,239
houses have been used as fronts, cover operations, cutouts, and

920
01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:46,519
then conceivably also for trafficking drug I mean, well they

921
01:05:46,599 --> 01:05:49,920
have been for good cover for trafficking drugs and then

922
01:05:50,239 --> 01:05:55,559
perhaps other things as well, Like you're mentioning, that's definitely bizarre.

923
01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:56,079
Speaker 4: Parents.

924
01:05:56,199 --> 01:05:58,599
Speaker 8: No parents in southern California know what they're doing when

925
01:05:58,599 --> 01:05:59,679
they bring their kid to Hollywood.

926
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:02,199
Speaker 1: I think that's a good point. Yeah, And some of

927
01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:03,599
those documentaries.

928
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:06,960
Speaker 8: About an empire. And I didn't grow up in La

929
01:06:07,039 --> 01:06:09,679
but San Diego on an inland empire. There's still, you know,

930
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:13,159
kids who feed into that system and it's a it's

931
01:06:13,199 --> 01:06:15,719
a strange world. And the parents are the ones who

932
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:16,440
are complicit.

933
01:06:16,559 --> 01:06:20,199
Speaker 1: They're complicit. There's a one of those documentaries, the one

934
01:06:20,239 --> 01:06:23,239
that was about Hollywood that came out two years ago.

935
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:27,840
You know what I'm talking about, THEO wanted from the

936
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:31,800
Hollywood stuff that they suppressed. It came out two years ago.

937
01:06:33,199 --> 01:06:38,800
So so Spotlight is and that the one about Recallolic Church,

938
01:06:39,079 --> 01:06:42,519
and then there's the one about Oh yeah yeah. But

939
01:06:42,679 --> 01:06:44,800
in that one they raised that question that you're making

940
01:06:45,519 --> 01:06:49,239
about how it would appear that the parents are complicit

941
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:51,800
as well. Absolutely, there's somebody in.

942
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:56,400
Speaker 8: The Iris's dad. That's a weird situation, man, Philly Ray Cyrus,

943
01:06:56,519 --> 01:06:58,400
And I mean, I don't know. Maybe he was just

944
01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:00,480
a country bumpkin and he didn't know what his daughter

945
01:07:00,559 --> 01:07:03,079
was getting into. Did you watch the did you watch

946
01:07:03,119 --> 01:07:05,239
the Miley Cyrus Joe Rogan conversation.

947
01:07:06,559 --> 01:07:09,519
Speaker 1: I saw about ten or twenty minutes of yeah, where

948
01:07:09,519 --> 01:07:11,320
she was talking about the diet stuff. I watched that

949
01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:11,800
whole clip.

950
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Speaker 8: Yeah, Okay, yeah, there's the I don't know, it's an

951
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:18,039
interesting glimpse into you know, a Hollywood child actor.

952
01:07:18,199 --> 01:07:19,639
Speaker 1: And I watched you cover it as well.

953
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:22,519
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, it's just her voice, man, the chick's voice.

954
01:07:22,639 --> 01:07:25,880
Speaker 1: Guys in the chat, what's that documentary a couple of

955
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:27,960
years ago on Hollywood.

956
01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:29,920
Speaker 8: And Creepers, Open Secret? There's open that's it?

957
01:07:30,079 --> 01:07:33,000
Speaker 1: Thank you? So yeah, checked that one out, but.

958
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:38,360
Speaker 8: So in a few scenes. But it is very It's

959
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:41,039
striking just seeing his face, little bags under his eyes,

960
01:07:41,119 --> 01:07:44,360
a pale, blondhaired boys. Just I don't know, it just

961
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:47,239
looks like he's about to cry. It looked it didn't

962
01:07:47,239 --> 01:07:48,360
seem like exactly.

963
01:07:50,719 --> 01:07:57,000
Speaker 1: The the movie. One reason for the similarity to the

964
01:07:57,440 --> 01:08:01,159
LSD trip is could be argued.

965
01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:06,800
Speaker 8: That this, Yeah, Rick Strassman tried to claim that and

966
01:08:07,079 --> 01:08:09,360
was never able to prove it. It's a conjectured was

967
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:11,119
never able to prove that. But we do know that

968
01:08:11,159 --> 01:08:14,079
the body makes d MT, but we don't know how

969
01:08:14,119 --> 01:08:16,600
it metabolizes it. We don't know much about it, and

970
01:08:17,279 --> 01:08:19,640
they postulated that it was the pineal gland that was

971
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:22,119
producing it. They never proved it, and the book was

972
01:08:22,159 --> 01:08:23,840
written by maybe we should do an episode on this

973
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:26,800
but the book by Rick Strassman DMT, the Spirit Molecule.

974
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:30,319
If you look at the inside jacket cover, it was

975
01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:34,479
the research was sponsored by a little known organization that

976
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:37,199
maybe some of you have heard of, called the Scottish Rite.

977
01:08:39,239 --> 01:08:43,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh no, I didn't know that. Wow, okay they

978
01:08:43,239 --> 01:08:46,640
wanted to do. Let's do. I'll tell you what I'm

979
01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:49,359
going to do. I'm gonna get that. I got that

980
01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:51,319
Tim Larry book coming on, the Tibetan Book of the

981
01:08:51,359 --> 01:08:53,880
Dead and LSD, and then I'll read that and then

982
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:55,720
we'll cover that Spirit Molecule thing.

983
01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:57,159
Speaker 8: Sweet man. I'll try to get a copy of that

984
01:08:57,159 --> 01:08:59,479
book too. I'll see if I can't find a PDF

985
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:01,640
of it. If anybody out there has a pdf of

986
01:09:02,279 --> 01:09:03,960
I'm sure it's online, I'll be able to find it. Right.

987
01:09:04,079 --> 01:09:04,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's famous book.

988
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:10,840
Speaker 8: But we should do that book. And what's another psychonaut sir?

989
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:18,840
Speaker 1: Another sucking book? Well, I have not actually read any

990
01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:21,079
Tim Learry, so I mean, other than the essay and

991
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:24,079
the couple of books that I've got a couple.

992
01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:27,359
Speaker 8: Of Tim Leary, we could read that book and then

993
01:09:27,399 --> 01:09:29,600
we can look at a few video clips or something too,

994
01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:30,600
or like, oh, I.

995
01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:32,039
Speaker 1: Know what we need to do, Dude, I know that

996
01:09:32,239 --> 01:09:35,880
the Psycho not Book. Do either of Robert Anton Wilson's

997
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:38,279
books Lu super Rising or that other one.

998
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:41,479
Speaker 8: Yeah, I've read that he's got pictures in his books too,

999
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:45,279
so my low IQ can read them. I'll be able

1000
01:09:45,319 --> 01:09:45,760
to read them.

1001
01:09:47,119 --> 01:09:50,479
Speaker 1: Maybe we can find a picture book version of Just

1002
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:52,079
a little bit of a reminder. I'm going to be

1003
01:09:52,279 --> 01:09:58,039
live at the Tampa Bay Screams Horror Convention. This is

1004
01:09:58,119 --> 01:10:03,520
a decent sized convention with a rowdy troop of rascally

1005
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:07,520
b movie actors and others who will be there as well.

1006
01:10:08,319 --> 01:10:10,840
I will be giving a lecture that evening, a dinner

1007
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:13,239
lecture that is separate from the convention, but we will

1008
01:10:13,279 --> 01:10:16,680
also be at the convention and I will be presenting

1009
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:21,600
the Dark Secrets of Horror Films presentation. So join me

1010
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:24,640
tonight that night. Excuse me, January nineteenth, in Tampa Bay.

1011
01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:29,119
Get your tickets below this audio. In the show description,

1012
01:10:29,239 --> 01:10:30,960
you'll see the links to head on over to the

1013
01:10:31,079 --> 01:10:33,560
checkout and it's going to be a lot of fun.

1014
01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:37,119
The first thirty people, i think it's almost full, already

1015
01:10:37,199 --> 01:10:41,960
have their free copy of Esoter Hollywood reserved for them

1016
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:45,119
and of course they'll be signed copies and other things

1017
01:10:45,159 --> 01:10:48,039
like that as well the other books. So get your

1018
01:10:48,079 --> 01:10:52,880
tickets now January nineteenth, that's eleven days the Tampa Bay

1019
01:10:52,960 --> 01:11:03,840
Screams Horror Convention. The entire book for you.

1020
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Speaker 8: That'd be really nice. You could just summarize it for me.

1021
01:11:08,359 --> 01:11:09,960
Speaker 1: That's what I did for a living trist in the

1022
01:11:10,039 --> 01:11:12,640
summarized books for people, so I could do that fan too.

1023
01:11:13,279 --> 01:11:15,760
Speaker 8: I really love I love the tone that you you

1024
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:17,399
speak to me and when you when you tell me

1025
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:19,880
that it makes me feel like a big Welcome everybody.

1026
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:22,399
Speaker 1: We got four hundred and thirty five nerds in the

1027
01:11:22,520 --> 01:11:24,640
live chat tonight. We got a few super chats. I'll

1028
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:26,640
cover those in a minute. Thank you for those super chests.

1029
01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:29,960
Please support the stream by the super the super labs,

1030
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:33,640
the stream labs link that our friends keep incessantly posting

1031
01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:36,520
in the chat. We gotta, we gotta and come over.

1032
01:11:36,439 --> 01:11:38,199
Speaker 8: To my channel when I stream too. Man, we're getting

1033
01:11:38,239 --> 01:11:38,800
like two hundred.

1034
01:11:40,119 --> 01:11:42,239
Speaker 1: By the way, to trist I share your stuff on

1035
01:11:42,359 --> 01:11:47,199
Twitter and everywhere, and the Alga. The Algo is not

1036
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:50,399
being nice to Tristan, by the way, it's not being

1037
01:11:50,439 --> 01:11:51,359
nice to make don't.

1038
01:11:51,159 --> 01:11:53,760
Speaker 8: Blame the Algo people just don't like my ship. Come on, no,

1039
01:11:56,079 --> 01:11:57,680
I know that there's I know that there's like at

1040
01:11:57,760 --> 01:12:00,279
least a couple of billion people watching my streams. I

1041
01:12:00,439 --> 01:12:04,439
know the numbers are big. They're trying to suppress. There's

1042
01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:06,680
pretty much half the population of the world too. He's

1043
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:10,000
under them. The trimalge Health screams to talk about these

1044
01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:13,239
degenerate things we see spreading thular culture.

1045
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:17,279
Speaker 1: The one thing about here's the thing I didn't understand

1046
01:12:17,279 --> 01:12:19,680
about the movie. Maybe you could enlighten me on this one.

1047
01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:23,039
So he meets up with that guy with the creepy,

1048
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:27,880
chunky dude. He's like, hey, remember me, I'm Paul your

1049
01:12:28,600 --> 01:12:32,159
you know company buddy war buddy guy. By the way,

1050
01:12:32,399 --> 01:12:34,279
I'm going to hell. The demons are after me. So

1051
01:12:34,399 --> 01:12:35,880
he's like, come meet me at a bar. I'm going

1052
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:39,000
to Hell. And then we start to think, Okay, maybe

1053
01:12:39,680 --> 01:12:43,000
Jacob is on his dissent. You know, he's kind of

1054
01:12:43,079 --> 01:12:46,319
going deeper and deeper into hades and that the dude

1055
01:12:46,319 --> 01:12:47,840
that he meets up with is like, Hey, I've been

1056
01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:50,199
looking into Christianity, but it doesn't seem to help me.

1057
01:12:50,760 --> 01:12:53,680
You know, I've got this necklace and I've got a bible,

1058
01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:56,199
but it's not helping me. And then he walks outside

1059
01:12:56,239 --> 01:12:59,239
and his car blows up. I don't understand. And then

1060
01:12:59,640 --> 01:13:02,479
you know Jacob is trigger. He sees a quarter. He

1061
01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:04,319
tries to pick a quarter and that's what keeps him

1062
01:13:04,319 --> 01:13:07,079
from getting in the car. The quarter flies away and

1063
01:13:07,199 --> 01:13:09,680
the car blows up. I still don't understand this scene.

1064
01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:11,199
Speaker 8: I think it has something to do with the nonlinear

1065
01:13:11,279 --> 01:13:14,079
thing that remember they talked about there was a character

1066
01:13:14,159 --> 01:13:17,399
that was mentioned earlier in the film who died because

1067
01:13:17,399 --> 01:13:20,079
his car exploded. I remember this. I think it was

1068
01:13:20,199 --> 01:13:24,000
within the first twenty minutes. And he asked him about character.

1069
01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:25,479
There's a character.

1070
01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:28,239
Speaker 1: Oh, so they're killing people that are associated with the

1071
01:13:28,319 --> 01:13:30,920
company because they might talk about in Keld.

1072
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:33,800
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm not sure if it was one of his

1073
01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:36,319
buddies or if it was a doctor. I think that No,

1074
01:13:36,399 --> 01:13:38,119
it's his doctor, right, wasn't in his doctor? Like he

1075
01:13:38,119 --> 01:13:39,560
went in and tried to find his doctor, and they said,

1076
01:13:40,279 --> 01:13:43,279
the guy tells me he's dead, you know, he's dead man,

1077
01:13:43,319 --> 01:13:47,079
And he's like, what happened is his car exploding? And

1078
01:13:47,159 --> 01:13:51,239
he's like what And he tries to go see the doctor.

1079
01:13:51,239 --> 01:13:53,319
And the nurse pulls off her hat and there's this

1080
01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:56,760
big like growth thing on the back of her head. Yeah,

1081
01:13:56,760 --> 01:13:59,239
and it looks like and then the doctor comes out.

1082
01:13:59,239 --> 01:14:01,520
He's like, what are you doing here? Hey, the doctor's

1083
01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:01,840
not here.

1084
01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:05,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's angelot right. So she's a demon right or

1085
01:14:05,680 --> 01:14:05,960
or she.

1086
01:14:06,119 --> 01:14:08,680
Speaker 8: Was, you know, had some sort of mk ultra mind

1087
01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:10,439
chip it or or both.

1088
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:12,079
Speaker 1: I think it's supposed to be a horn. So he's

1089
01:14:12,079 --> 01:14:14,359
seeing people with horns and tails.

1090
01:14:14,479 --> 01:14:18,119
Speaker 8: And I thought it was a like a scar, like

1091
01:14:18,199 --> 01:14:20,880
a weird looked like a cancerous growth like this tumor

1092
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:23,399
coming at her. Don't but I think it had something

1093
01:14:23,439 --> 01:14:25,359
to do with that, Like maybe it was a nonlinear

1094
01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:30,840
h representation of what happened there. And he was seeing

1095
01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:32,039
the doctor get blown up.

1096
01:14:32,159 --> 01:14:34,760
Speaker 1: I see. And so then he then he starts thinking that.

1097
01:14:35,079 --> 01:14:38,199
He starts getting more paranoid because his buddies who are

1098
01:14:38,239 --> 01:14:41,840
going to sue the government for mk ultra abuse, and

1099
01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:44,359
they go to George. George Costanza is going to be

1100
01:14:44,479 --> 01:14:47,000
his lawyer, and he's like, you don't have a case.

1101
01:14:47,039 --> 01:14:49,039
You don't have you know, you don't got nothing, and

1102
01:14:49,199 --> 01:14:51,159
so he freaks out and then all of his buddies.

1103
01:14:51,279 --> 01:14:55,960
You know, they basically disown him and they don't have

1104
01:14:55,960 --> 01:14:57,640
anything to do with him. So now he's getting super

1105
01:14:57,680 --> 01:15:00,640
paranoid and he thinks, h you know, they're going to

1106
01:15:00,760 --> 01:15:02,800
kill me. And the lawyer says, I looked into you.

1107
01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:08,239
You were discharged for psychological issues after wargames in Thailand.

1108
01:15:08,319 --> 01:15:10,600
And he's like, no, that's a cover story. That's not

1109
01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:14,560
what happened to me. We were experimented on in Vietnam.

1110
01:15:15,439 --> 01:15:21,359
Speaker 8: Yep, I would say what I think. One of my

1111
01:15:21,479 --> 01:15:24,399
favorite scenes is the revelation of what happened, like when

1112
01:15:24,520 --> 01:15:27,239
he's speaking to his friend, his old war buddy, the

1113
01:15:27,319 --> 01:15:31,079
hippie guy, and he starts to tell him his story

1114
01:15:31,119 --> 01:15:34,920
about how he was arrested for producing LSD. He went

1115
01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:38,399
to Rikers Island. Government approached him and told him, if

1116
01:15:38,439 --> 01:15:40,920
you go to Vietnam and you work for us, we'll

1117
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:43,560
commute your sentence or we'll basically you won't have to

1118
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:45,319
serve any time. We just need you to come and

1119
01:15:45,399 --> 01:15:48,920
work with us and do some of your chemistry. So

1120
01:15:49,039 --> 01:15:52,399
he went, and what happened was, he says, he was

1121
01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:55,920
involved in experiments trying to find the absolute worst, most

1122
01:15:56,039 --> 01:16:00,760
powerful psychotomimetic drugs that will break the psyche of the

1123
01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:03,279
user and put them in a state as you mentioned,

1124
01:16:03,319 --> 01:16:07,319
of absolute primal terror and fear, and that was the

1125
01:16:07,680 --> 01:16:11,199
latter was mentioned at that point. But this was I

1126
01:16:11,239 --> 01:16:15,239
mean full on kind of MK Ultra motif here when

1127
01:16:15,279 --> 01:16:19,399
he talks about this, especially the you know, the compartmentalization

1128
01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:23,880
of it, the getting compromised people, right, the using using

1129
01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:29,760
compromised criminals as intelligence assets. All of these tie in

1130
01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:33,840
and these are very important as far as espionage geopolitics

1131
01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:39,079
goes with blackmail and keeping people quiet, right, and you

1132
01:16:39,159 --> 01:16:41,680
want people who are compromised to be working under you

1133
01:16:41,800 --> 01:16:45,439
if you're doing experimentation like they were doing and that

1134
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:48,199
they mentioned in this film. And yeah, so it was

1135
01:16:48,720 --> 01:16:51,800
basically this guy got got recruited to be an MK

1136
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:58,479
ultra doctor and experiment on soldiers in Vietnam using her drugs.

1137
01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:03,560
Speaker 1: And then we find out that this drug BZ, this

1138
01:17:03,720 --> 01:17:07,079
is an actual thing that was tested on the soldiers.

1139
01:17:07,640 --> 01:17:13,000
So the film is referencing a psycho psychoto mimetic chemical

1140
01:17:13,079 --> 01:17:18,600
weapon known as b Z, which is a psychoactive agent

1141
01:17:18,680 --> 01:17:22,319
that's supposed to cause this descent into the primal you know,

1142
01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:25,720
regions of the psyche or whatever. So now we get

1143
01:17:25,760 --> 01:17:28,920
the explanation of what the ladder is. And if you

1144
01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:31,680
don't know, of course, this is from Genesis when Jacob

1145
01:17:32,359 --> 01:17:35,319
is wrestling with the Angel of the Lord the Logos,

1146
01:17:36,119 --> 01:17:42,199
and he well, right before he wrestles, he sees this angel,

1147
01:17:42,439 --> 01:17:46,520
and he sees the ladder descending and ascending. He sees

1148
01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:49,359
angels descending and descending on this ladder. And then if

1149
01:17:49,399 --> 01:17:51,960
you read John one, Jesus says that I'm the latter

1150
01:17:52,479 --> 01:17:56,039
that was me that was wrestling with Jacob. And so

1151
01:17:56,159 --> 01:17:59,119
it's this means by which one goes from heaven to Earth.

1152
01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:02,199
Here it's kind of inverted, and it's the ladder that

1153
01:18:02,319 --> 01:18:05,359
will take you the other way down to Hades. If

1154
01:18:05,359 --> 01:18:09,319
you've seen the icon of Saint John Clemichus famous Orthodox icon,

1155
01:18:09,399 --> 01:18:13,800
you'll notice it's the ladder that's got people climbing the ladder,

1156
01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:16,079
and then the demons are trying to pull people off

1157
01:18:16,119 --> 01:18:20,039
of the ladder. So again it does touch on kind

1158
01:18:20,079 --> 01:18:26,279
of Orthodox thought and imagery here. But I'm glad Tristan

1159
01:18:26,319 --> 01:18:29,239
mentioned the mk lt stuff because of course this is

1160
01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:32,760
even though the film is not ultimately about Mkultra, it

1161
01:18:33,039 --> 01:18:36,560
is dealing with that and exposing that to a degree,

1162
01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:41,399
and particularly the probably the Phoenix program because we find

1163
01:18:41,439 --> 01:18:43,520
out that they dosed the soldier's food and then the

1164
01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:47,960
soldiers ended up going ape and basically cannibalized and went

1165
01:18:48,079 --> 01:18:51,439
nuts on each other. So they were going crazy. They

1166
01:18:51,479 --> 01:18:53,800
went and they just went into total like you know,

1167
01:18:54,159 --> 01:19:00,119
possessed mode, and that that Jewish hippie chemist guy, it's

1168
01:19:00,119 --> 01:19:02,640
pretty funny. He was cracking me up. He was like, like,

1169
01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:06,760
uh if if Seinfeld was a psycho not, It's like, yeah,

1170
01:19:07,079 --> 01:19:08,439
you know, we we we did what we could. You know,

1171
01:19:08,520 --> 01:19:11,439
we did what we came. What was I supposed to do?

1172
01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:13,199
You know, they they got me, you know, what are

1173
01:19:13,199 --> 01:19:16,720
they supposed to do? It's like Woody Allen mixed with uh,

1174
01:19:17,439 --> 01:19:20,239
I don't know, like a young, less weird looking wood

1175
01:19:22,279 --> 01:19:25,800
and then he yeah. So then they're stuck. Then we think, well,

1176
01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:29,039
is he stuck in hell? Because he goes through is

1177
01:19:29,079 --> 01:19:32,600
this where he has like his worst That was the

1178
01:19:32,680 --> 01:19:34,439
creepiest part of the movie is do you remember when

1179
01:19:34,479 --> 01:19:37,000
he was in like the deepest part of hell and

1180
01:19:37,119 --> 01:19:40,000
he's like on the the operating table.

1181
01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:44,079
Speaker 8: And that creepy doctor is like and his girlfriend's there.

1182
01:19:44,159 --> 01:19:47,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, friend is the doctor of the torture woman. He's like,

1183
01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:48,319
give me a.

1184
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:52,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, that was that was a very That was a

1185
01:19:52,079 --> 01:19:53,000
pretty disturbing scene.

1186
01:19:53,039 --> 01:19:53,159
Speaker 10: Man.

1187
01:19:53,199 --> 01:19:55,119
Speaker 8: That's one of the scenes when he's walking through the hospital,

1188
01:19:55,119 --> 01:19:58,479
when they're wheeling him through the hospital. The cinematogra cinematography

1189
01:19:58,520 --> 01:20:02,199
is really good. There's no like, I don't know, I

1190
01:20:02,399 --> 01:20:05,079
like these old films better, even total recall.

1191
01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:08,239
Speaker 1: Man like yea, even Goofy nineties movies are better than

1192
01:20:08,279 --> 01:20:09,359
the ones to Die there's.

1193
01:20:09,239 --> 01:20:12,000
Speaker 8: Better, Like, the visual effects are better in Goofy nineties movies.

1194
01:20:12,079 --> 01:20:15,600
John Carpenter's visual effects are better than stupid Avatar and

1195
01:20:15,640 --> 01:20:18,600
all this gay stuff with the I'm not a big

1196
01:20:18,640 --> 01:20:20,119
fan of the CGI that they've got lately.

1197
01:20:20,199 --> 01:20:24,039
Speaker 1: No Illinois. But so before we finish with this, one

1198
01:20:24,159 --> 01:20:27,439
last point I wanted to make with Jacob's letter and

1199
01:20:27,479 --> 01:20:31,439
to ask you is so, Eventually, as you can imagine,

1200
01:20:31,439 --> 01:20:35,239
he does let loose his attachment to his dead son.

1201
01:20:35,319 --> 01:20:37,239
He overcomes all that, and then he kind of has

1202
01:20:37,319 --> 01:20:42,159
this experience of going home. He leaves the weird girlfriend

1203
01:20:42,359 --> 01:20:45,159
Jezebel woman, goes back presumably to what he thinks his home,

1204
01:20:45,239 --> 01:20:48,840
and this is really Then the staircase, which represents the

1205
01:20:49,039 --> 01:20:52,520
ladder to heaven. So he's ascended from the ladder in

1206
01:20:52,600 --> 01:20:54,800
the pits of hell, and now he's going back up

1207
01:20:54,840 --> 01:20:58,920
the ladder to heaven and he's he's basically saved. And

1208
01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:01,479
then we find out your last scene that all of

1209
01:21:01,560 --> 01:21:04,800
the movie was like the point of his death, so

1210
01:21:04,920 --> 01:21:08,479
his whole life and even perhaps had he made bad decisions,

1211
01:21:08,520 --> 01:21:10,680
Like he's even living out kind of what had happened,

1212
01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:16,319
bad decisions that he made, re experiencing them, and it's

1213
01:21:16,720 --> 01:21:19,720
the soul being then purified to move on to the

1214
01:21:19,800 --> 01:21:20,279
next state.

1215
01:21:21,319 --> 01:21:24,319
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I think the I don't know's it's not

1216
01:21:24,399 --> 01:21:26,439
like it's an uplifting film when you when you hear you,

1217
01:21:26,680 --> 01:21:27,920
when you hear you say it, it's kind of like,

1218
01:21:27,960 --> 01:21:30,079
oh that's kind of nice. Doesn't feel like that when

1219
01:21:30,119 --> 01:21:30,479
you watch it.

1220
01:21:30,600 --> 01:21:34,279
Speaker 1: It's no, it's a very yeah, disturbedil it's a disturbing.

1221
01:21:33,920 --> 01:21:37,319
Speaker 8: Film, disturbing and bleak and dark film. And I mean,

1222
01:21:37,720 --> 01:21:38,880
what do you expect from Hollywood?

1223
01:21:39,039 --> 01:21:39,159
Speaker 7: Right?

1224
01:21:39,239 --> 01:21:43,439
Speaker 8: It's a There are some aspects of it that are redeeming.

1225
01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:44,920
The acting is really good.

1226
01:21:45,439 --> 01:21:45,840
Speaker 1: It's a.

1227
01:21:47,399 --> 01:21:48,079
Speaker 8: I wouldn't watch it.

1228
01:21:48,239 --> 01:21:50,560
Speaker 1: I mean, setting aside the moral critiques of Hollywood. I

1229
01:21:50,640 --> 01:21:52,199
think it's a really well done movie.

1230
01:21:52,279 --> 01:21:55,000
Speaker 8: It's I think it's great it would you watch it again?

1231
01:21:56,159 --> 01:21:58,640
Speaker 1: I've watched it like ten times since it came out. Yeah,

1232
01:21:59,399 --> 01:22:01,239
it's one of always had just because I thought it

1233
01:22:01,359 --> 01:22:04,560
was a relevant movie. But it's not like I don't

1234
01:22:04,640 --> 01:22:07,920
like it's hard to watch. In any movie, that's hard

1235
01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:10,239
to watch even if I like it, like inl An Empire,

1236
01:22:10,800 --> 01:22:14,119
I'm not gonna watch it a lot, but maybe every

1237
01:22:14,159 --> 01:22:15,640
four or five it's one of those movies, and maybe

1238
01:22:15,680 --> 01:22:17,319
every four or five years I'll go back to it,

1239
01:22:17,439 --> 01:22:20,119
but not a lot. You want to move on to

1240
01:22:20,199 --> 01:22:25,520
total recall. By the way, it's worth noting that Jacob's

1241
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:29,960
Ladder was a critical success but not a monetary success,

1242
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:31,800
So the movie was a little probably too dark and

1243
01:22:31,880 --> 01:22:34,680
weird for mass audience, as it broke even at the

1244
01:22:34,720 --> 01:22:38,000
box office, but it did get a lot of critical appraisal.

1245
01:22:41,039 --> 01:22:43,479
Speaker 8: I enjoyed it. I don't think I would watch it

1246
01:22:43,560 --> 01:22:45,479
too many more times. There's just there's so many films

1247
01:22:45,479 --> 01:22:50,039
out there to watch it. I think i'd give it

1248
01:22:51,479 --> 01:22:55,319
two doses of BZ out of three doses of BZ.

1249
01:22:55,479 --> 01:23:00,039
Speaker 1: I'm going to give it four Joe Rogan DMT hit.

1250
01:23:00,119 --> 01:23:03,960
Speaker 8: Out of five nice, so slightly higher than I rated it.

1251
01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:06,920
Speaker 1: A little higher. I do think it's good. I give

1252
01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:09,239
it like a seven out of ten. But that's to

1253
01:23:09,359 --> 01:23:11,439
translate that into normy speak for those of you that

1254
01:23:11,479 --> 01:23:16,840
aren't enlightened. Four DMT hits is equivalent to seven out

1255
01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:19,520
of ten. But you got to be kind of like

1256
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:21,680
deep and philosophical.

1257
01:23:21,079 --> 01:23:24,680
Speaker 8: To get that, which you have to have transcended your ego.

1258
01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:26,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, which I don't know if you know about that yet,

1259
01:23:26,920 --> 01:23:28,079
But no, they don't.

1260
01:23:28,159 --> 01:23:31,239
Speaker 8: They don't. They're just they're just, you know, they're down there.

1261
01:23:31,399 --> 01:23:34,680
We're are our egos really tiny? They have really big ones.

1262
01:23:36,319 --> 01:23:40,119
Speaker 1: So once again, as you said, nineteen ninety and let's

1263
01:23:40,199 --> 01:23:43,319
see if this was as big of a blockbuster as

1264
01:23:43,359 --> 01:23:44,800
I remembered or thought.

1265
01:23:45,439 --> 01:23:47,920
Speaker 8: What was the budget on it? Because it actually it was.

1266
01:23:48,199 --> 01:23:51,760
Speaker 1: This was a huge summer blockbuster. It costs fifty to

1267
01:23:51,880 --> 01:23:55,039
sixty million and made two hundred and sixty three million,

1268
01:23:55,119 --> 01:23:58,439
so in nineteen ninety money, that was a blockbuster for sure.

1269
01:24:00,560 --> 01:24:02,880
Speaker 8: So we got Arnold. I love your your cover image.

1270
01:24:02,920 --> 01:24:05,239
You picked one of the best moments in the film there.

1271
01:24:05,279 --> 01:24:07,319
Speaker 1: I love that I've always laughed at that. This is

1272
01:24:07,760 --> 01:24:12,399
p K D. So we know we're getting an interesting, gnostic, bizarre,

1273
01:24:13,560 --> 01:24:16,760
you know, esoteric tale with old p K D.

1274
01:24:16,920 --> 01:24:17,039
Speaker 8: Here.

1275
01:24:18,880 --> 01:24:24,159
Speaker 1: He never fails to deliver in that department, would you agree? Man?

1276
01:24:24,479 --> 01:24:28,239
Speaker 8: Phil K. Dick. He's one of my favorite authors of

1277
01:24:28,600 --> 01:24:30,439
the seventy and one of my favorite sci fi authors.

1278
01:24:30,520 --> 01:24:35,039
I quite enjoy his books. He's not the most stylish writer.

1279
01:24:35,279 --> 01:24:38,000
He does decent dialogue and he builds his character as well,

1280
01:24:38,039 --> 01:24:40,880
but he does world building and idea building very well.

1281
01:24:41,960 --> 01:24:43,640
Speaker 1: Can I get you to take over for a minute.

1282
01:24:43,640 --> 01:24:45,800
I have to go empty my Philip K if you

1283
01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:46,439
know what I mean.

1284
01:24:47,039 --> 01:24:49,079
Speaker 8: Go drop a phil k A p k D in

1285
01:24:49,159 --> 01:24:49,920
the toilet right now.

1286
01:24:50,079 --> 01:24:53,520
Speaker 1: No, just the liquid version there. I got to empty

1287
01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:54,720
the pk D.

1288
01:24:57,000 --> 01:25:03,039
Speaker 8: Drop a PKD. All right. So Philip K. Dick, Philip K. Dick.

1289
01:25:03,039 --> 01:25:05,920
He's a fascinating character. When you look at the biography

1290
01:25:05,960 --> 01:25:08,920
of Philip K. Dick, he is somebody who was hanging

1291
01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:11,880
out with a lot of these Silicon Valley elite types

1292
01:25:12,159 --> 01:25:16,039
in the nineteen sixties and seventies in California, and he

1293
01:25:16,159 --> 01:25:20,159
was rightfully really freaked out by what he saw, by

1294
01:25:20,239 --> 01:25:26,159
what he learned Philip K. Dick had a fascinating conception

1295
01:25:26,600 --> 01:25:32,079
of reality and a very tragic conception of reality. A

1296
01:25:32,159 --> 01:25:35,319
lot of his books are about the loss of identity,

1297
01:25:35,399 --> 01:25:41,720
the loss of yourself, and the loss of your soul essentially.

1298
01:25:42,520 --> 01:25:43,960
So Philip K. Dick was one of the first people

1299
01:25:44,039 --> 01:25:50,760
to write about technocracy in a in kind of a

1300
01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:54,840
in a way where he ties in intelligence agencies. And

1301
01:25:56,199 --> 01:25:58,319
one of the good books by Philip K. Dick that

1302
01:25:58,600 --> 01:26:04,039
shows his is understanding of spionage to a certain extent,

1303
01:26:04,479 --> 01:26:07,520
social engineering and how drug culture was used as a

1304
01:26:07,560 --> 01:26:12,039
tool is the book called they made a film out

1305
01:26:12,079 --> 01:26:13,960
of it. And I was just talking about with Jay earlier,

1306
01:26:14,039 --> 01:26:19,880
but I'm forgetting the Scanner Darkly. No, No, not Kazan Kazann.

1307
01:26:19,960 --> 01:26:24,399
That's that's that's a different one. So anyway, Yes, Philip K.

1308
01:26:24,479 --> 01:26:27,239
Dick has a really interesting story as far as his

1309
01:26:27,439 --> 01:26:31,159
life story goes. He even believed that he was some

1310
01:26:31,359 --> 01:26:35,319
sort of a MK Ultra type victim at some times

1311
01:26:35,359 --> 01:26:37,399
in his life and believed that he was being experimented

1312
01:26:37,479 --> 01:26:39,079
on using psychotronic weapons.

1313
01:26:40,800 --> 01:26:43,479
Speaker 1: Have you do you remember Waking Life? We should cover that, dude.

1314
01:26:43,520 --> 01:26:47,199
That's perfect for that would be perfect in the psychonaut

1315
01:26:47,279 --> 01:26:47,920
Stream or.

1316
01:26:48,239 --> 01:26:51,119
Speaker 8: Let's do Waking Life and uh, we'll do Waking Life,

1317
01:26:51,199 --> 01:26:54,000
and the other one the Scanner Darkly because they're both

1318
01:26:54,600 --> 01:26:57,920
Philip K. Dick Ish and they're both by the same director,

1319
01:26:58,079 --> 01:27:02,119
Richard Linklater he's actually a pretty good director.

1320
01:27:03,720 --> 01:27:08,359
Speaker 1: And mister Jones, mister al Jones is that.

1321
01:27:08,720 --> 01:27:10,720
Speaker 2: Mister Jones and me.

1322
01:27:13,000 --> 01:27:17,760
Speaker 8: Stoning through the body and a long my lamp.

1323
01:27:19,880 --> 01:27:20,840
Speaker 1: She's looking at you.

1324
01:27:21,680 --> 01:27:23,439
Speaker 8: Got to be somebody for me.

1325
01:27:24,159 --> 01:27:28,880
Speaker 11: I want to be Bob deal mister cry, just a

1326
01:27:29,039 --> 01:27:32,239
little more funk here as the tears rolled down his

1327
01:27:32,439 --> 01:27:35,239
bald head, letters and cry.

1328
01:27:36,520 --> 01:27:41,680
Speaker 1: And if the sun comes up tomorrow, let him cry.

1329
01:27:43,239 --> 01:27:45,560
Speaker 8: So I haven't read I'm not sure what the book

1330
01:27:45,760 --> 01:27:47,800
that Total Recall is based on. I don't think it's

1331
01:27:47,840 --> 01:27:49,880
actually called Total Recall, but I think it's based on

1332
01:27:49,920 --> 01:27:51,560
a short story by Philip K. Dick He wrote a

1333
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:54,479
lot of short stories and they're pretty easy, the quick reads.

1334
01:27:54,560 --> 01:27:55,000
Speaker 1: Most of them.

1335
01:27:55,279 --> 01:27:58,319
Speaker 8: I would suggest reading Do Android's Dream of Electric Sheet.

1336
01:27:58,399 --> 01:28:00,760
That's another good one. That's what Blade Runner is based on,

1337
01:28:01,279 --> 01:28:05,239
as well as The Man in the High Castle. That's another.

1338
01:28:05,720 --> 01:28:07,960
Speaker 1: By the way, I just bought some of the books

1339
01:28:08,479 --> 01:28:10,560
I've read some of the short stories, which I really liked,

1340
01:28:10,640 --> 01:28:12,960
but I've been just kind of waiting to get to

1341
01:28:14,680 --> 01:28:17,399
some of his Have you read any of his novel novels.

1342
01:28:17,119 --> 01:28:21,239
Speaker 8: Like, yeah, yeah, whatever, they're short, right, they're they're short novels.

1343
01:28:21,279 --> 01:28:23,960
So there's a do Androids dream. Electric Sheep is good.

1344
01:28:24,359 --> 01:28:28,640
The Penultimate Truth is basically THX eleven thirty eight. Everybody

1345
01:28:28,680 --> 01:28:31,079
lives in this underground society. They're so scared because they

1346
01:28:31,079 --> 01:28:32,960
think there was a nuclear holocaust in the world, so

1347
01:28:33,119 --> 01:28:36,399
big and scary upstairs, and everybody lives underground and they're

1348
01:28:36,399 --> 01:28:39,159
afraid of what's going on up there. But it's all

1349
01:28:39,239 --> 01:28:43,239
big syo. They're just being tricked and to live underground

1350
01:28:43,319 --> 01:28:45,680
and be afraid in this hyper sterile environment, and they

1351
01:28:45,680 --> 01:28:47,880
think they're all going to die if they go the elite.

1352
01:28:48,479 --> 01:28:51,239
The elite are using the Earth's surface, right, and they

1353
01:28:51,319 --> 01:28:53,399
live there. So it's similar to THX eleven thirty eight

1354
01:28:53,399 --> 01:28:57,560
in that way. I suggest reading his books. They're they're good. Vallas.

1355
01:28:58,319 --> 01:29:00,479
Later in life he got zonged out and it gets

1356
01:29:00,520 --> 01:29:02,880
a little bit weirder. That's the time of his life

1357
01:29:02,920 --> 01:29:04,800
when he thought he was being communicated with by an

1358
01:29:04,880 --> 01:29:10,479
artificial intelligence alien that was beaming satellite information to him

1359
01:29:10,479 --> 01:29:11,359
from space.

1360
01:29:11,079 --> 01:29:13,079
Speaker 1: And it was really.

1361
01:29:14,479 --> 01:29:16,720
Speaker 8: Freaky, weird mk ultra type stuff that he believed he

1362
01:29:16,840 --> 01:29:20,720
was being an experimented on. And he called himself horse

1363
01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:24,239
lover Fat Philip K. Dick. He was so poor most

1364
01:29:24,279 --> 01:29:27,720
of his life. He wrote pop sci fi and he

1365
01:29:27,880 --> 01:29:30,960
was poor, and he used the horse meat to keep

1366
01:29:31,000 --> 01:29:34,039
himself alive because it was cheaper, So he called himself

1367
01:29:34,079 --> 01:29:36,640
horse lover fat. He would be man this fake name,

1368
01:29:36,680 --> 01:29:38,960
and he would all his books are about himself and

1369
01:29:39,079 --> 01:29:41,119
his kind of loss of identity is search for love

1370
01:29:41,199 --> 01:29:43,079
is search for God essentially, and it's.

1371
01:29:42,960 --> 01:29:45,640
Speaker 1: Some weird yeah, is it right that? So there's this

1372
01:29:45,800 --> 01:29:47,840
weird part in the link later or movie where the

1373
01:29:47,920 --> 01:29:52,039
guy is talking about Philip K. Dick and he mentions

1374
01:29:52,119 --> 01:29:54,159
that he thinks that in the middle of the Book

1375
01:29:54,199 --> 01:29:56,840
of Acts, like something messed up and we're all stuck

1376
01:29:57,840 --> 01:29:59,239
halfway through the Book of Acts.

1377
01:30:00,840 --> 01:30:05,640
Speaker 8: Yeah, he came up with weird theories like this that

1378
01:30:05,760 --> 01:30:09,640
he would pause it at times and maybe let's let's

1379
01:30:09,680 --> 01:30:11,039
maybe we got to do some stream We have so many,

1380
01:30:11,079 --> 01:30:12,560
we have a list of like twenty streams we have

1381
01:30:12,640 --> 01:30:12,760
to do.

1382
01:30:12,920 --> 01:30:13,279
Speaker 1: But PK.

1383
01:30:13,439 --> 01:30:13,840
Speaker 8: D man.

1384
01:30:14,399 --> 01:30:14,520
Speaker 2: Uh.

1385
01:30:15,119 --> 01:30:17,800
Speaker 8: He gave the speech about living in the in a

1386
01:30:17,880 --> 01:30:21,960
matrix and an artificial reality, an artificial construct, and he

1387
01:30:22,079 --> 01:30:24,000
really started to believe that this was real and that

1388
01:30:24,079 --> 01:30:27,159
he had tapped into in between the fabric of reality,

1389
01:30:27,680 --> 01:30:30,479
and he came up with some odd theories. But that's

1390
01:30:30,640 --> 01:30:33,319
that part of the of Waking Life, you know, that's

1391
01:30:33,399 --> 01:30:36,600
that's Richard link Later is the character who's telling that story.

1392
01:30:36,760 --> 01:30:38,279
So I think that means a lot to him for

1393
01:30:38,399 --> 01:30:41,039
some reason. I don't know why it means so much

1394
01:30:41,079 --> 01:30:43,680
to him, because it's a strange I don't know. I'd

1395
01:30:43,720 --> 01:30:44,600
have to watch that film again.

1396
01:30:44,760 --> 01:30:46,399
Speaker 1: I wonder if he'd come on a stream. I should

1397
01:30:46,399 --> 01:30:48,359
ask if to reach out if he did an.

1398
01:30:48,239 --> 01:30:50,079
Speaker 8: Interview, Dude, you should. You should get him on, man,

1399
01:30:50,119 --> 01:30:51,359
if you get him on a stream.

1400
01:30:51,199 --> 01:30:52,920
Speaker 1: I'd love to come on trying to how many cram

1401
01:30:53,000 --> 01:30:53,520
But he didn't ever.

1402
01:30:54,319 --> 01:30:56,880
Speaker 8: But I don't know forensicool and I'm a big fan

1403
01:30:56,920 --> 01:31:00,640
of link Later. I do like his films. Yeah, he

1404
01:31:00,720 --> 01:31:02,359
seems to have been able to make some good films

1405
01:31:02,399 --> 01:31:04,359
that he really liked and loved, and they meant a

1406
01:31:04,399 --> 01:31:06,479
lot to him, and he made him kind of outside

1407
01:31:06,520 --> 01:31:10,039
of the whole Hollywood weird ocracy. You know, he did

1408
01:31:10,079 --> 01:31:12,119
it out of Austin instead of Hollywood, right, and he

1409
01:31:12,239 --> 01:31:14,760
filmed a lot in Texas, right, And it seems like

1410
01:31:14,840 --> 01:31:18,600
he's kind of not so not so weird as some

1411
01:31:18,760 --> 01:31:19,920
of these Hollywood folks are.

1412
01:31:21,760 --> 01:31:23,640
Speaker 1: All right, so total recall. We got the p K

1413
01:31:23,840 --> 01:31:29,960
d background, Paul Berhoven as a director, funny character if

1414
01:31:30,039 --> 01:31:32,720
you know. He did, of course Starship Troopers, which is

1415
01:31:32,760 --> 01:31:36,279
another weird sci fi Pentagon produced thing. They actually read

1416
01:31:38,159 --> 01:31:41,199
that kind of the hind line is read at I

1417
01:31:41,279 --> 01:31:43,840
think the Navy or Army War College, so you will

1418
01:31:43,920 --> 01:31:47,680
actually go read if you go to like Pentagon stuff,

1419
01:31:47,720 --> 01:31:49,800
you'll read hindline as part.

1420
01:31:49,640 --> 01:31:54,159
Speaker 8: Of your recent A Stranger in a Strange Land Moon

1421
01:31:54,279 --> 01:31:54,800
is a Harsh.

1422
01:31:54,640 --> 01:31:57,119
Speaker 1: Mistress too, which is actually about Google. So there's this

1423
01:31:57,279 --> 01:31:59,960
AI that's like helping the libertarian revolution.

1424
01:32:00,560 --> 01:32:03,800
Speaker 8: Yeah, Vallas is kind of like that too, except Google.

1425
01:32:03,880 --> 01:32:08,039
The AI are now this off planet entity that beamed

1426
01:32:08,159 --> 01:32:11,800
thoughts to people's head. It's like, yeah, it's really, but

1427
01:32:11,920 --> 01:32:15,159
it's it's it's schizoid. He was he was into speed,

1428
01:32:15,399 --> 01:32:19,119
like right, Phil K. Dick was into speed and psychedelics,

1429
01:32:19,159 --> 01:32:22,319
and that is a combination for for some strange.

1430
01:32:22,039 --> 01:32:25,479
Speaker 1: Only Speed I'm into is Vin Diesel Speed a.

1431
01:32:25,560 --> 01:32:29,159
Speaker 8: K A fast and furious Baby, fast and furious.

1432
01:32:29,199 --> 01:32:30,720
Speaker 1: I've never seen fas I'm joking.

1433
01:32:31,960 --> 01:32:34,439
Speaker 8: Only only Vin Diesel I'm into is Triple X bro

1434
01:32:36,640 --> 01:32:37,279
Xander Cage.

1435
01:32:39,000 --> 01:32:42,359
Speaker 1: That's that's how into Vin I am. I'm into Vin.

1436
01:32:42,920 --> 01:32:47,680
I have Vin diagrams about VIN numbers on cars, demonstrated.

1437
01:32:48,159 --> 01:32:49,920
Speaker 8: That movie is so funny. Triple X is one of

1438
01:32:49,960 --> 01:32:51,000
the funniest movies ever.

1439
01:32:51,560 --> 01:32:53,359
Speaker 1: He liked watch that. It's pretty bad.

1440
01:32:54,279 --> 01:32:56,840
Speaker 8: Like the first three minutes he meets like Tony Hawk

1441
01:32:57,079 --> 01:32:59,960
and Dave Mira and like all the all the extreme

1442
01:33:00,159 --> 01:33:02,840
sports guys, and they're like, oh, They're like, oh, what's up, dude.

1443
01:33:02,880 --> 01:33:05,880
Speaker 10: He's like, Hey, what's up Tony Hawk? And Tony Hey,

1444
01:33:05,920 --> 01:33:08,039
did you finish that new trick? Did you did you

1445
01:33:08,119 --> 01:33:10,319
finish that new trick yet? He's like, yeah, what my

1446
01:33:10,439 --> 01:33:14,279
Superman seat grab barrel roll No, I'm close.

1447
01:33:14,119 --> 01:33:16,640
Speaker 8: Though, and then he like the bad guys come and

1448
01:33:16,720 --> 01:33:18,960
he blows everything up and then he like runs off

1449
01:33:19,000 --> 01:33:21,680
and he grabs a tray like a cafeteria tray and

1450
01:33:21,800 --> 01:33:24,560
board slides down a huge rail and then jumps on

1451
01:33:24,640 --> 01:33:29,239
a motorcycle. And then just jumps every explosion. That movie

1452
01:33:29,319 --> 01:33:29,760
is amazing.

1453
01:33:29,920 --> 01:33:37,800
Speaker 1: Triple X, do you even know how to Tokyo trying

1454
01:33:37,840 --> 01:33:38,039
to do it?

1455
01:33:38,199 --> 01:33:38,359
Speaker 7: Van?

1456
01:33:38,800 --> 01:33:42,560
Speaker 1: Do you even know how to Tokyo drift? Dude?

1457
01:33:42,640 --> 01:33:44,840
Speaker 8: Do you know Vin Diesel? He has an album. He

1458
01:33:45,000 --> 01:33:49,439
just put out an album. What in Diesel? It's on YouTube.

1459
01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:53,319
Speaker 1: Somebody said. Somebody said Asia Argento is in Triple X.

1460
01:33:53,399 --> 01:33:57,920
That's weird, given Dario Ardento is such an esoteric, creepy

1461
01:33:58,319 --> 01:34:05,199
horror maker. By the way, no, I don't think you

1462
01:34:05,239 --> 01:34:10,760
would like it, but anyway, so, uh so we open

1463
01:34:10,880 --> 01:34:14,159
up what we got what looks like chocolate bar Mars.

1464
01:34:14,399 --> 01:34:16,560
Mars looks like a big red chocolate bar.

1465
01:34:17,920 --> 01:34:18,439
Speaker 2: The the.

1466
01:34:20,239 --> 01:34:23,680
Speaker 1: Models, so they're still using models. No c g I yet,

1467
01:34:23,800 --> 01:34:26,079
really in this there's only one sequence that I recalled

1468
01:34:26,119 --> 01:34:27,680
me in c G I in this movie, which is

1469
01:34:27,760 --> 01:34:31,520
the we We We ran them off, he ran away. Finally,

1470
01:34:35,039 --> 01:34:35,520
I was about to.

1471
01:34:35,520 --> 01:34:38,960
Speaker 8: Start cowering, cowering and shame, start dropping insults, but.

1472
01:34:41,399 --> 01:34:44,439
Speaker 1: You drop you dropped without my insults.

1473
01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:47,479
Speaker 8: So that was I was. I was just kind of

1474
01:34:47,520 --> 01:34:49,720
cowering over there in the corner and shame and fear

1475
01:34:49,840 --> 01:34:52,520
from all these great Vegan debaters who've been crushing me

1476
01:34:52,640 --> 01:34:53,600
in comments all week.

1477
01:34:56,279 --> 01:34:59,920
Speaker 1: You're not fast and furious, you just slow and medium.

1478
01:35:01,079 --> 01:35:01,359
How's that?

1479
01:35:02,600 --> 01:35:03,640
Speaker 8: Is that a line from Fasten?

1480
01:35:04,000 --> 01:35:07,199
Speaker 1: I just made it up. I don't even I don't

1481
01:35:07,199 --> 01:35:08,800
even know how to talk like Vin Diesel. I'm just

1482
01:35:08,880 --> 01:35:11,000
trying to remember kind of what he talks about. He's

1483
01:35:11,000 --> 01:35:14,720
got like this gravelious voice of gravy voice.

1484
01:35:16,640 --> 01:35:18,520
Speaker 8: Yeah, but it's so fake though, like it's.

1485
01:35:18,960 --> 01:35:21,000
Speaker 1: He probably yeah, he probably doesn't really talk. He probably

1486
01:35:21,039 --> 01:35:23,399
times like this. You're really taught, you.

1487
01:35:23,560 --> 01:35:31,560
Speaker 8: Realizing swag white? I wonder what race is Van Diesel.

1488
01:35:31,600 --> 01:35:33,119
He's like he's like one of those like the rock

1489
01:35:33,239 --> 01:35:35,720
like racially ambiguous where it's like you could just project

1490
01:35:35,800 --> 01:35:37,920
whatever race you think is cool, and that's him. Like

1491
01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:42,880
if you're white, like is his race, if you're if

1492
01:35:42,960 --> 01:35:45,119
you're if you're like Mexican, you kind of think Vin

1493
01:35:45,159 --> 01:35:47,800
Diesel's Mexican. If you're if you're black, you think he's

1494
01:35:47,840 --> 01:35:51,199
part black. But he just never says anything. His real

1495
01:35:51,319 --> 01:35:53,279
last name is probably like Bronfman or something.

1496
01:35:55,039 --> 01:35:57,640
Speaker 1: Isn't he like Hawaiian or something?

1497
01:35:58,399 --> 01:36:00,239
Speaker 8: I don't know. I feel like Vin Diesel is.

1498
01:36:00,279 --> 01:36:01,319
Speaker 10: A no no.

1499
01:36:01,439 --> 01:36:03,560
Speaker 1: I mean the Rock is like Smoe or something. Oh

1500
01:36:03,600 --> 01:36:03,800
the Rock.

1501
01:36:03,880 --> 01:36:06,119
Speaker 8: Yeah. I think his dad is like half black and

1502
01:36:06,399 --> 01:36:08,840
half Samoan or something. He's a rock. I think he

1503
01:36:08,840 --> 01:36:10,319
has a little bit of black in but he's mostly

1504
01:36:10,399 --> 01:36:13,279
got Samoan, which is why he's a monster. Dude. Simones

1505
01:36:13,319 --> 01:36:18,159
are freaking huge, strong people there, and they really like

1506
01:36:18,239 --> 01:36:18,760
family too.

1507
01:36:19,119 --> 01:36:22,800
Speaker 1: They're down there eating all those vegetables beacons.

1508
01:36:22,439 --> 01:36:27,560
Speaker 8: All those vegetables, yeah right, all the soy that they like. Uh.

1509
01:36:28,079 --> 01:36:35,239
Speaker 1: So we see pyramid minds. There's colonization of Mars. Terraformed Mars.

1510
01:36:36,239 --> 01:36:38,680
Mars is now a colony, so we get this whole

1511
01:36:38,800 --> 01:36:43,760
industrial complex colonization now of other planets, just like empires

1512
01:36:43,800 --> 01:36:47,039
would have colonies previously. Uh, and now we find out

1513
01:36:47,079 --> 01:36:49,359
it's gonna be a resource war. And the first thing

1514
01:36:49,399 --> 01:36:51,960
that popped in my head was this makes me think

1515
01:36:51,960 --> 01:36:54,520
of like the stuff that we hear about Elon Musk

1516
01:36:54,680 --> 01:36:57,560
is going to send us to Mars, I mean, or

1517
01:36:57,640 --> 01:37:01,800
we being to Mars this goofy thing. Yeah.

1518
01:37:01,920 --> 01:37:04,239
Speaker 8: Well, and and Mars is actually run by like an

1519
01:37:04,279 --> 01:37:06,800
Elon Musk type character, right, I mean this is uh.

1520
01:37:07,920 --> 01:37:09,760
And I've got some notes here like the I mean,

1521
01:37:09,800 --> 01:37:12,600
it starts out the very beginning in the first shots

1522
01:37:12,680 --> 01:37:15,520
kind of evoke this idea of you know, dreams and reality,

1523
01:37:15,800 --> 01:37:17,119
I dreaming, is this real?

1524
01:37:17,520 --> 01:37:17,960
Speaker 1: You don't know?

1525
01:37:18,279 --> 01:37:20,119
Speaker 8: Right, doesn't He wakes up from a dream, like a

1526
01:37:20,199 --> 01:37:23,159
sexual dream, and he's with Sharon Stone and they have

1527
01:37:23,319 --> 01:37:26,640
this they're in this kind of honeymoon style relationship where

1528
01:37:26,640 --> 01:37:29,239
they're like they're just so enamored with each other they

1529
01:37:29,279 --> 01:37:31,800
can't stop kissing, and like they's all over each other,

1530
01:37:32,319 --> 01:37:34,800
which is that's another funny Hollywood thing, right, all the

1531
01:37:35,279 --> 01:37:39,640
all the relationships in these films, they're all very unrealistic, right, Like,

1532
01:37:39,720 --> 01:37:42,159
if you you've been with someone, you love, somebody, you've

1533
01:37:42,159 --> 01:37:43,920
been with them for a little bit, you're not like

1534
01:37:44,359 --> 01:37:46,119
constantly making out all over the place.

1535
01:37:46,560 --> 01:37:51,680
Speaker 1: But remember this one is unique because uh, she's a

1536
01:37:52,000 --> 01:37:53,199
sex operative.

1537
01:37:53,479 --> 01:37:56,319
Speaker 8: Yes exactly, And that's and that's why I mean that

1538
01:37:56,560 --> 01:37:58,399
that is an excuse. But also but there's other films

1539
01:37:58,439 --> 01:38:01,039
where it's like, right, like we got to be like,

1540
01:38:01,159 --> 01:38:03,359
I don't know that this false ideal of like your

1541
01:38:03,399 --> 01:38:06,920
relationship is just all sexual and it's hyper sexual and

1542
01:38:07,000 --> 01:38:08,800
you're just always all over each other and you have

1543
01:38:08,880 --> 01:38:11,159
to just be like tonguing each other's faces all day.

1544
01:38:11,600 --> 01:38:14,079
I think that's a that's a weird Hollywood trope that

1545
01:38:14,119 --> 01:38:18,399
gets pushed out there. There's nothing wrong with affection and stuff,

1546
01:38:18,399 --> 01:38:20,199
but it's like, look, you've been married for a few years.

1547
01:38:20,680 --> 01:38:24,800
You're probably not going to be tongueing each other constantly

1548
01:38:24,960 --> 01:38:27,960
like you like you see in these films. It's very weird, very.

1549
01:38:27,880 --> 01:38:31,039
Speaker 1: Strange, right, which you're right, that's actually a key, I think,

1550
01:38:31,199 --> 01:38:34,800
showing us that something's off about this present experience of Arnold.

1551
01:38:34,880 --> 01:38:38,279
And then he he goes and he's working this jackhammer,

1552
01:38:38,520 --> 01:38:40,640
and it's it's like so that we're in the future,

1553
01:38:41,840 --> 01:38:44,000
they can fly to Mars, but dudes are still out

1554
01:38:44,000 --> 01:38:45,880
there just with jackhammers, just like there's no.

1555
01:38:47,000 --> 01:38:49,560
Speaker 8: You still have you still need any any they have

1556
01:38:49,720 --> 01:38:51,880
like a it's like on his bicep that's got close

1557
01:38:51,960 --> 01:38:57,800
up on his biceps. Arnold just looking jacked, just jacked

1558
01:38:57,840 --> 01:39:00,439
out of his mind. But the scene with him and

1559
01:39:00,760 --> 01:39:02,800
Sharon Stone and she's like punching him, she's sitting on

1560
01:39:02,880 --> 01:39:06,039
top of him and she's like she's really jealous. Like

1561
01:39:06,199 --> 01:39:09,680
right away, it's this idea of like the sex relationship

1562
01:39:09,720 --> 01:39:12,399
between them, which is just sexual it seems, and it's

1563
01:39:12,560 --> 01:39:15,439
just about control and jealousy, and the jealousy kind of

1564
01:39:15,680 --> 01:39:17,760
gives you a hint that something's not quite right here

1565
01:39:18,319 --> 01:39:19,800
and that they don't seem like they've been together.

1566
01:39:21,079 --> 01:39:27,119
Speaker 12: Dream about her, keep dreaming of her, because I just do.

1567
01:39:30,920 --> 01:39:32,600
She's like, why are you thinking about her?

1568
01:39:33,039 --> 01:39:36,279
Speaker 9: Well, I was thinking of her then and now I'm thinking.

1569
01:39:36,079 --> 01:39:37,680
Speaker 3: Of you, right.

1570
01:39:37,840 --> 01:39:40,279
Speaker 1: He just he just laughs it off, and it's really good.

1571
01:39:40,319 --> 01:39:42,399
Speaker 8: But then she just she just like lays back. She's like,

1572
01:39:42,880 --> 01:39:45,319
I'll give you something the dream about and then she

1573
01:39:45,439 --> 01:39:48,239
like lays down and spreads her legs or something. He's like, waw,

1574
01:39:49,920 --> 01:39:52,039
it's super funny. The opening scene is hilarious.

1575
01:39:53,560 --> 01:39:57,239
Speaker 1: There was a couple quick kind of references to things

1576
01:39:57,439 --> 01:40:00,560
that were ahead of their time. There's a war on

1577
01:40:00,760 --> 01:40:03,880
terror going on right that keeps being mentioned on the news.

1578
01:40:04,760 --> 01:40:10,000
ESPN is everywhere everywhere Arnold goes, there's screens everywhere blasting ESPN.

1579
01:40:10,600 --> 01:40:12,800
There's war on terror blasting.

1580
01:40:12,840 --> 01:40:12,960
Speaker 8: Now.

1581
01:40:13,039 --> 01:40:15,560
Speaker 1: This is prior to war on terror. This is, by

1582
01:40:15,600 --> 01:40:19,640
the way, keep in mind, nobody had been thinking of

1583
01:40:19,760 --> 01:40:23,399
war on terror in nineteen ninety. Right after this comes

1584
01:40:23,920 --> 01:40:28,000
another big blockbuster that kicks off Hollywood's notion of war

1585
01:40:28,039 --> 01:40:30,880
on terror, and that's true lies another big Arnold moves.

1586
01:40:30,960 --> 01:40:33,520
So Arnold will be in some of these key pivot

1587
01:40:33,680 --> 01:40:37,600
point late eighties early nineties action figures that will transition

1588
01:40:37,720 --> 01:40:44,479
everybody's thought process into eighties commando cold war stuff, rambow stuff,

1589
01:40:45,119 --> 01:40:48,399
now flip it over into nineties war on terror.

1590
01:40:49,199 --> 01:40:54,840
Speaker 8: Yep, Yeah, so what he said, code babe, you know

1591
01:40:54,920 --> 01:40:56,159
you're the good of my dreams.

1592
01:40:56,479 --> 01:40:58,000
Speaker 1: You know you're the good of my dreams.

1593
01:40:58,680 --> 01:41:00,079
Speaker 8: I don't know why I wrote down that line, just

1594
01:41:00,119 --> 01:41:02,600
thought that was funny. But there's space based weapons another

1595
01:41:02,640 --> 01:41:06,239
thing that the weaponization of space. And you mentioned like

1596
01:41:06,319 --> 01:41:09,039
there's screens everywhere in their home, right, So they live

1597
01:41:09,119 --> 01:41:12,319
in this It's not like a teeny tiny apartment. It

1598
01:41:12,399 --> 01:41:14,279
actually looks kind of big, but for Hollywood, like in

1599
01:41:14,279 --> 01:41:17,680
a Hollywood movie, when you're shooting something like this, it

1600
01:41:17,840 --> 01:41:20,119
makes it look small. So it does kind of seem

1601
01:41:20,159 --> 01:41:23,319
like they're in this coffin apartment type situation. And they've

1602
01:41:23,399 --> 01:41:25,439
switched on the TV. Switches on the TV, starts watching

1603
01:41:25,439 --> 01:41:27,479
the news and getting all freaked out about the terror

1604
01:41:27,520 --> 01:41:29,880
attacks and all the things the news is terrorizing him about.

1605
01:41:30,199 --> 01:41:33,159
She switches it off and it goes to this nature

1606
01:41:33,239 --> 01:41:36,840
scene of like a beautiful pond and a bunch of trees.

1607
01:41:36,920 --> 01:41:40,359
So the only natural landscapes that they're exposed to are

1608
01:41:40,520 --> 01:41:46,079
through their screens. This artificial Yeah, and so they I mean,

1609
01:41:46,159 --> 01:41:48,319
this is not by accident like you mean, I'm sure.

1610
01:41:48,600 --> 01:41:53,239
I'm sure the Pentagon was consulting for this film as well,

1611
01:41:53,399 --> 01:41:54,039
just like they having so.

1612
01:41:54,079 --> 01:41:56,760
Speaker 1: Much Well, don't forget the next sequence after that, which

1613
01:41:56,840 --> 01:41:59,439
is the TSA. Arnold has to walk through a giant

1614
01:42:00,279 --> 01:42:04,159
X ray that fully X rays his whole body.

1615
01:42:04,920 --> 01:42:08,479
Speaker 8: And there's body scanners, surveillance and TSA and biometrics as well,

1616
01:42:08,640 --> 01:42:13,039
right with the thumb printing and so the biometric identification.

1617
01:42:13,800 --> 01:42:16,880
Also you mentioned like the terrorists, the War on Terror

1618
01:42:16,920 --> 01:42:21,960
and the stuff there. These factions are fighting over this

1619
01:42:22,439 --> 01:42:27,439
esoteric gnostic idea of artifacts in this pyramid mine. So

1620
01:42:28,199 --> 01:42:30,119
there's kind of this.

1621
01:42:30,319 --> 01:42:33,640
Speaker 1: Ancient alien technology on Mars that will give people an

1622
01:42:33,880 --> 01:42:36,319
upper hand in terms of resource.

1623
01:42:35,960 --> 01:42:39,800
Speaker 8: War, right, and they tie it in with this gnostic idea,

1624
01:42:40,159 --> 01:42:44,520
and there are essentially this mutant colony has been prepared

1625
01:42:44,600 --> 01:42:48,600
on Mars by this billionaire class and this man what

1626
01:42:48,760 --> 01:42:53,199
was the guy's name that runs Mars. I think it

1627
01:42:53,199 --> 01:42:54,000
was something else is.

1628
01:42:54,000 --> 01:43:02,079
Speaker 1: Like the revolution is run by So the billionaire bag

1629
01:43:02,159 --> 01:43:04,600
guy is Cochrane, and then there's the they call him

1630
01:43:04,640 --> 01:43:07,840
the George Washington of Mars. Yeah, his name.

1631
01:43:07,880 --> 01:43:12,279
Speaker 8: So again this gnostic idea of revolution, right, we're gonna

1632
01:43:12,319 --> 01:43:15,960
we have to overthrow the established order. The Demiurs in

1633
01:43:16,039 --> 01:43:19,239
the film is this kind of Elon Musk's style billionaire

1634
01:43:19,319 --> 01:43:23,039
guy who has colonized Mars, terraformed Mars and created a

1635
01:43:23,119 --> 01:43:27,319
giant bubble where he controls and rations quantum air. Quanto yeah,

1636
01:43:27,640 --> 01:43:32,079
Quatto right, So Quato is the rebel army leader, and

1637
01:43:32,920 --> 01:43:35,119
it's kind of similar to Later Runner twenty forty nine

1638
01:43:35,239 --> 01:43:37,279
in some ways. How you have this underground movement of

1639
01:43:37,319 --> 01:43:40,039
the mutants that want to be free, but the demiers

1640
01:43:40,119 --> 01:43:42,319
is keeping them down. And it's this Elon Musk type

1641
01:43:42,399 --> 01:43:45,039
character who has sealed them into this bubble and makes

1642
01:43:45,079 --> 01:43:46,960
them pay for air, which I think is really funny,

1643
01:43:47,039 --> 01:43:49,199
kind of the Agenda twenty one type exactly right.

1644
01:43:49,279 --> 01:43:55,680
Speaker 1: So the ultimate privatization of resources now beyond water, right,

1645
01:43:56,000 --> 01:43:59,439
is air? Right. And so if you're on Mars, presumably

1646
01:44:00,079 --> 01:44:05,079
to this mythology, like if you could control the oxygen

1647
01:44:05,159 --> 01:44:07,960
on Mars, you would have you know, total resource control.

1648
01:44:08,520 --> 01:44:10,640
But before I got to that, though, I wanted to

1649
01:44:10,720 --> 01:44:16,159
mention that when he sees the ad for Recall, it's

1650
01:44:16,279 --> 01:44:19,800
very interesting that Recall has a K instead of a C,

1651
01:44:20,039 --> 01:44:22,680
so that the been spelled R E K A L L.

1652
01:44:22,960 --> 01:44:25,600
And then they have a butterfly that's a logo. So

1653
01:44:25,680 --> 01:44:28,159
I think that m K the K is there for

1654
01:44:29,800 --> 01:44:31,119
for a reason to tell you that this is a

1655
01:44:31,199 --> 01:44:35,600
reference obliquely to MK Ultra. The butterfly shows up to

1656
01:44:35,640 --> 01:44:38,520
show you that it's monarch because in those programs and

1657
01:44:38,680 --> 01:44:42,359
DARPA has developed this nowadays, the ability to erase and

1658
01:44:42,640 --> 01:44:46,359
replace and implant memories. As you pointed out Blade Runner,

1659
01:44:46,439 --> 01:44:49,319
that's exactly what happens with the replicants. PK D is

1660
01:44:49,600 --> 01:44:56,199
who wrote a Blade Runner story, And here pkd is

1661
01:44:56,239 --> 01:44:59,119
telling us about the same stuff with DARPA memory erasing

1662
01:44:59,199 --> 01:45:03,119
and replacing. And what does Arnold end up with as

1663
01:45:03,239 --> 01:45:09,479
his programming a secret agent mind control program? Yep, So

1664
01:45:09,600 --> 01:45:14,079
he sits in this machine, gets his mind wiped, and then,

1665
01:45:14,640 --> 01:45:17,479
which is probably one of the best aspects of the

1666
01:45:17,560 --> 01:45:20,079
movie is that we are put into this state where

1667
01:45:20,199 --> 01:45:22,439
we're now trying to figure out what's real and what's

1668
01:45:22,479 --> 01:45:24,520
part of the matrix. So this is actually the matrix.

1669
01:45:24,680 --> 01:45:27,800
Prior to the matrix, Arnold is running around in this

1670
01:45:28,119 --> 01:45:31,319
story that he's chosen and now we can't figure out

1671
01:45:32,960 --> 01:45:35,960
was Sharon Stone really his girlfriend at the beginning? Where

1672
01:45:36,079 --> 01:45:38,840
did he actually start his programming? We don't know. And

1673
01:45:38,920 --> 01:45:41,159
that's I think the best part of this movie is

1674
01:45:41,199 --> 01:45:41,760
that aspect.

1675
01:45:42,399 --> 01:45:46,399
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, yeah. The idea of you know, the company recall,

1676
01:45:46,479 --> 01:45:49,079
it's like this. It's this corporate mk ultra type program

1677
01:45:49,119 --> 01:45:51,239
where they sell people on the idea of vacations, right,

1678
01:45:51,479 --> 01:45:53,159
so you don't have to go into real vacation that's

1679
01:45:53,239 --> 01:45:55,039
dangerous or it's not as fun, it's not as cool.

1680
01:45:55,319 --> 01:45:57,479
We're going to implant memories in you. We're going to

1681
01:45:57,560 --> 01:46:00,159
sell you whatever memories you want, and you'll think it's

1682
01:46:00,199 --> 01:46:02,199
totally real and you'll experience it all. So this is

1683
01:46:02,359 --> 01:46:09,279
kind of neurolink type idea as well. And and how

1684
01:46:09,319 --> 01:46:11,399
does he pay for it? Jay pays for it with

1685
01:46:11,600 --> 01:46:12,439
social credits?

1686
01:46:12,560 --> 01:46:13,880
Speaker 1: Oh good one, dude.

1687
01:46:14,199 --> 01:46:17,039
Speaker 8: You know they call it credits. You pay with your credits.

1688
01:46:17,119 --> 01:46:20,199
It only costs eight and ninety nine credits. How else

1689
01:46:20,239 --> 01:46:21,279
would you spend your credits?

1690
01:46:22,239 --> 01:46:23,760
Speaker 1: Huh, I didn't even notice that.

1691
01:46:24,520 --> 01:46:26,560
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's a weird that's that's kind of a weird

1692
01:46:26,640 --> 01:46:29,960
predictive part of it thought was very strange.

1693
01:46:30,600 --> 01:46:34,319
Speaker 1: Did you notice too, the oh, by the way, mentioning

1694
01:46:34,399 --> 01:46:39,359
that that Pentagon deep state element. Remember, because so Starship

1695
01:46:39,520 --> 01:46:44,640
Starship Troopers is hindline and that's satire and what you

1696
01:46:44,760 --> 01:46:48,680
read if you go to Army War College, Verehoven directs that,

1697
01:46:48,920 --> 01:46:52,920
Vera Hooven directs this. And remember that PKD was was

1698
01:46:53,000 --> 01:46:55,600
claiming that he had been in the circles of Silicon Valley,

1699
01:46:55,680 --> 01:46:58,760
so he wasn't just making stuff up. He had been

1700
01:46:58,880 --> 01:47:01,600
hanging out with those guys. Yeah what would become silk

1701
01:47:01,640 --> 01:47:06,319
and valid, So he had inside kind of whether PKD.

1702
01:47:06,119 --> 01:47:08,520
Speaker 8: Was kind of one of these think tank guys that

1703
01:47:08,680 --> 01:47:11,319
it seems like he was being harvested for ideas. He

1704
01:47:11,359 --> 01:47:14,399
seems like it seems like in the seventies, especially a

1705
01:47:14,479 --> 01:47:18,960
lot of these California characters and the drug culture. Pk

1706
01:47:19,119 --> 01:47:22,600
D even you know, Leary was openly involved with in

1707
01:47:22,760 --> 01:47:25,479
intelligence agencies and stuff, but it seems like there was

1708
01:47:25,560 --> 01:47:28,560
a certain part of the intelligence agencies that were using

1709
01:47:29,079 --> 01:47:33,119
characters like this just and monitoring them and harvesting ideas

1710
01:47:33,159 --> 01:47:36,399
from them and using them because as winning and unwilling

1711
01:47:36,479 --> 01:47:40,159
witting members of think tanks or social engineering planning, and

1712
01:47:41,239 --> 01:47:42,840
he was involved in that stuff and he got freaked

1713
01:47:42,840 --> 01:47:44,439
out by it, by what he saw and what he heard.

1714
01:47:44,680 --> 01:47:47,520
Speaker 1: In Annie Jacobson's DARPA books, she talks about she got

1715
01:47:47,560 --> 01:47:50,840
whole chapters on the Pentagon talking to sci fi writers

1716
01:47:51,039 --> 01:47:53,960
and they were kind of doing this thing, trying to

1717
01:47:54,000 --> 01:47:58,439
get harvest ideas. Like you said, another weird element was

1718
01:47:58,479 --> 01:48:01,359
that they tried to sell him on uh. When Arnold

1719
01:48:01,359 --> 01:48:03,439
gets in the cat scan, it looks like a CATSCA machine.

1720
01:48:03,439 --> 01:48:05,000
By the way, I was you know that funny scene

1721
01:48:05,000 --> 01:48:07,760
when he's like ah and he's he's laying in the

1722
01:48:07,840 --> 01:48:10,600
cat scan machine, and it made me immediately think of

1723
01:48:11,439 --> 01:48:16,199
when he's in is it kindergarten cop and his idiot

1724
01:48:16,279 --> 01:48:19,319
line is not a tuma, it's not a here. He's

1725
01:48:19,359 --> 01:48:21,279
laying in a cat scan machine. Basically that is what

1726
01:48:21,359 --> 01:48:25,119
it looks like. And there's another reference in this movie

1727
01:48:25,239 --> 01:48:29,119
to other Arnold movies or future Arnold movies, because there's

1728
01:48:29,159 --> 01:48:30,920
two or three times in this movie where he's like,

1729
01:48:31,520 --> 01:48:32,279
you'll not me.

1730
01:48:32,960 --> 01:48:35,199
Speaker 9: I am me, Hey, you all me?

1731
01:48:35,720 --> 01:48:40,159
Speaker 1: And then in Sixth Day, when he encounters his clones.

1732
01:48:40,199 --> 01:48:43,840
Speaker 9: He's like, hey, you'll not me. I am me, No,

1733
01:48:44,159 --> 01:48:45,560
I am me, you'll you.

1734
01:48:46,520 --> 01:48:51,279
Speaker 1: They have this idiot dialogue back and forth. But this

1735
01:48:51,439 --> 01:48:53,319
comes up in more than one Arnold movie. Have you

1736
01:48:53,399 --> 01:48:55,520
have you seen sixth Day the Cloning Arnold movie?

1737
01:48:55,920 --> 01:48:57,479
Speaker 8: No? No, I'm not seeing that one. What year was?

1738
01:48:57,520 --> 01:49:00,479
Speaker 1: Oh dude, it's hilarious, man, you gotta watch this. It's

1739
01:49:00,520 --> 01:49:00,960
as funny.

1740
01:49:00,960 --> 01:49:02,119
Speaker 8: I like Arnold. I'm always for.

1741
01:49:02,520 --> 01:49:05,960
Speaker 1: It's as goofy as a total recall, and Arnold has

1742
01:49:06,079 --> 01:49:08,520
just as many goofy one liners.

1743
01:49:08,600 --> 01:49:10,279
Speaker 8: And before or after.

1744
01:49:11,880 --> 01:49:14,359
Speaker 1: It's after so I think it's about ninety five or six.

1745
01:49:17,199 --> 01:49:21,359
So so Arnold has a handful of doozies. I would say,

1746
01:49:21,920 --> 01:49:24,119
By the way, Predator actually is really good. Predator is

1747
01:49:24,199 --> 01:49:25,000
a movie.

1748
01:49:25,119 --> 01:49:27,399
Speaker 8: Yeah, it is well, and there's other Predator movies that

1749
01:49:27,479 --> 01:49:30,000
are goofy. But also was the one where they have

1750
01:49:30,079 --> 01:49:31,600
like the Pyramids and Antarctica?

1751
01:49:31,960 --> 01:49:35,880
Speaker 1: Yes, I know, Alien versus Predator is where they Yeah.

1752
01:49:36,520 --> 01:49:39,439
Speaker 8: But it's mostly action, but there are some weird esoteric

1753
01:49:39,880 --> 01:49:40,560
things in that one.

1754
01:49:41,560 --> 01:49:44,279
Speaker 1: So Arnold has a bunch of stinkers, but he actually

1755
01:49:44,319 --> 01:49:47,279
have some some that are funny. Running Man is really good.

1756
01:49:47,439 --> 01:49:50,319
I do recommend if you've never seen. That's a great dystopia.

1757
01:49:50,479 --> 01:49:56,000
Running Man with Arnold total recall is fun it's funny.

1758
01:49:57,079 --> 01:50:01,600
Definitely watch Commando. That's classic eighties just Arnold being ridiculous.

1759
01:50:01,960 --> 01:50:05,479
And then The Sixth Day is not that good of

1760
01:50:05,560 --> 01:50:07,359
a movie, but it does have a lot of predictive

1761
01:50:07,399 --> 01:50:10,760
program It's got driverless cars and all kinds of stuff

1762
01:50:10,760 --> 01:50:13,720
like that, and but just Arnold interacting with his clones.

1763
01:50:13,760 --> 01:50:17,520
It's hilarious just because it's so ridiculous. True lies is relevant,

1764
01:50:17,640 --> 01:50:20,840
just because it kicks off we're on terror, and I'm

1765
01:50:20,880 --> 01:50:24,000
sure there's a bunch more Arnold, but the one liners

1766
01:50:24,000 --> 01:50:27,119
are pretty classic in Sixth Day and in Commando and

1767
01:50:27,279 --> 01:50:30,960
Running MANE gets.

1768
01:50:35,159 --> 01:50:36,960
Speaker 8: Divorce gets.

1769
01:50:39,279 --> 01:50:44,159
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, divorce see you with the.

1770
01:50:48,920 --> 01:50:56,399
Speaker 8: I love punches Sharon Stone in the face. Well that's

1771
01:50:56,399 --> 01:50:58,399
what he shoots her in the head, but before that,

1772
01:50:58,560 --> 01:50:59,920
he punches her in the face.

1773
01:51:00,720 --> 01:51:02,800
Speaker 1: When they first fight. Yeah, when he finds out she's a.

1774
01:51:02,840 --> 01:51:08,119
Speaker 8: Box her out, oh man. And then she kicks him

1775
01:51:08,159 --> 01:51:08,680
the balls like.

1776
01:51:08,720 --> 01:51:12,039
Speaker 1: Ye does the ouch my balls move right close.

1777
01:51:11,960 --> 01:51:14,640
Speaker 8: Close up, Ouch my balls like four times they should

1778
01:51:14,680 --> 01:51:19,119
have had like a bank, but they didn't. Hey did

1779
01:51:19,159 --> 01:51:20,960
you notice that they have autonomous vehicles?

1780
01:51:21,079 --> 01:51:22,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, they have the robot uber driver.

1781
01:51:23,479 --> 01:51:27,079
Speaker 8: Hey yeah, I'm your Carson Cabs. Welcome to Carson Cab.

1782
01:51:29,239 --> 01:51:34,560
The idea of like drive, I like, all he has

1783
01:51:34,600 --> 01:51:36,399
to do is rip the robot out and then he

1784
01:51:36,479 --> 01:51:38,680
grabs the joy in it. Like they make a robot

1785
01:51:38,800 --> 01:51:41,840
to drive with a joystick. Why don't they just make

1786
01:51:41,920 --> 01:51:46,039
the robot wired directly? I don't get it. But so

1787
01:51:46,279 --> 01:51:50,319
there's this The idea of the breakaway civilization is you know,

1788
01:51:50,399 --> 01:51:55,439
obviously very prominent, but also uh compartmentalization, right, the compartmentalization

1789
01:51:55,520 --> 01:51:57,239
where you know, one one hand doesn't know what the

1790
01:51:57,279 --> 01:52:00,439
other hand is doing, which is really important intelligence agencies.

1791
01:52:00,520 --> 01:52:05,239
And they bring this up with the antagonist characters where

1792
01:52:05,239 --> 01:52:07,600
he says to him, I don't give you enough information

1793
01:52:07,760 --> 01:52:10,520
to think you do what you're told, right. So the

1794
01:52:10,960 --> 01:52:12,840
characters they're out there doing their own little missions, but

1795
01:52:12,840 --> 01:52:15,319
they don't understand the big picture thing, and sometimes they

1796
01:52:15,399 --> 01:52:18,760
get fed lies to keep them compartmentalized. And then in

1797
01:52:18,800 --> 01:52:21,199
the end some of them come to realize some of

1798
01:52:21,239 --> 01:52:25,640
the bigger picture. But that idea of compartmentalization is here

1799
01:52:25,720 --> 01:52:28,880
in the film. And that's, as you have talked about

1800
01:52:28,920 --> 01:52:33,439
many times, it's really important the intelligence world sexual blackmail, right,

1801
01:52:33,479 --> 01:52:35,039
I mean, there's like there's a lot of a lot

1802
01:52:35,079 --> 01:52:39,800
of different control mechanisms that are exploring this film. And

1803
01:52:39,960 --> 01:52:48,920
I wrote down just a few sexual blackmail, sexual blackmail, drugs, hypnosis, cybernetics,

1804
01:52:49,279 --> 01:52:50,600
virtual reality, theater.

1805
01:52:50,800 --> 01:52:50,920
Speaker 1: Right.

1806
01:52:51,000 --> 01:52:53,840
Speaker 8: This idea of theater at almost ritual, where you have

1807
01:52:55,079 --> 01:52:58,279
people in somebody's life, handlers that will come and stage

1808
01:52:58,359 --> 01:53:01,640
certain events or pay out certain narratives in order to

1809
01:53:01,720 --> 01:53:04,840
influence a character and their worldview so that they will

1810
01:53:04,880 --> 01:53:07,039
interpret the world in certain ways and thus behave in

1811
01:53:07,119 --> 01:53:09,359
certain ways, is a big part of the mind control

1812
01:53:09,439 --> 01:53:11,159
techniques that they use. Right. They're always trying to tell

1813
01:53:11,199 --> 01:53:13,399
them a story, right, like, oh no, no, this is

1814
01:53:13,439 --> 01:53:16,720
what's really happening. You were doing this, but the real

1815
01:53:16,840 --> 01:53:18,760
reason was this, and you never never know if it's

1816
01:53:18,840 --> 01:53:20,960
true or if it's a lie. And that's kind of

1817
01:53:20,960 --> 01:53:23,279
how intelligence agencies work, right. If you want somebody to

1818
01:53:23,359 --> 01:53:25,279
do your dirty work, you don't tell them why they're

1819
01:53:25,359 --> 01:53:28,760
doing it. You get somebody who's dumb enough and compartmentalize

1820
01:53:28,800 --> 01:53:30,279
that they'll get a job done and not have any

1821
01:53:30,319 --> 01:53:33,880
idea the bigger picture of what they're connected to. Yes,

1822
01:53:34,800 --> 01:53:40,359
there's another trauma of course, right, ritual trauma, electroshock, electroshock therapy,

1823
01:53:40,359 --> 01:53:40,840
so all these.

1824
01:53:40,880 --> 01:53:43,800
Speaker 1: Kult type He's got a microchip implant that he has

1825
01:53:43,800 --> 01:53:47,520
to pull out through his nose like a gigantic booger, right.

1826
01:53:47,800 --> 01:53:50,680
Speaker 8: Right. Then they also used film to mess with him,

1827
01:53:51,159 --> 01:53:54,159
remember like the film that they had him shoot, right,

1828
01:53:54,239 --> 01:53:58,680
So they used film, theatrics and and of course you

1829
01:53:58,720 --> 01:54:00,760
know just the threat of vil. So those are just

1830
01:54:00,800 --> 01:54:04,079
some of the control mechanisms that were explored in order

1831
01:54:04,159 --> 01:54:08,439
to manipulate characters consciousness and manipulate characters in doing what

1832
01:54:08,560 --> 01:54:10,439
they want to do. And all of those are pretty

1833
01:54:10,520 --> 01:54:15,840
dag important in the world of espionage, and these are

1834
01:54:16,279 --> 01:54:18,800
tools used by espionage agent agencies all the time.

1835
01:54:19,079 --> 01:54:23,039
Speaker 1: Right, there's multiple references to doubles. He gets a hologram

1836
01:54:23,279 --> 01:54:25,720
that's his double, and obviously, yes that's a hologram. But

1837
01:54:26,640 --> 01:54:31,680
you'll notice there's different layers to Arnold's psyche and who

1838
01:54:31,760 --> 01:54:34,720
he is. So he doesn't know whether he's a mind

1839
01:54:34,760 --> 01:54:37,760
control operative, whether he's a normy guy who's on a

1840
01:54:37,840 --> 01:54:41,560
vacation that he bought or whether he's actually, as we

1841
01:54:41,680 --> 01:54:44,479
find out in the third act, been programmed all along

1842
01:54:44,520 --> 01:54:46,840
by the corporation to be a triple agent. So there's

1843
01:54:46,920 --> 01:54:51,680
there's these alters and layers to Arnold, which is imaged

1844
01:54:51,760 --> 01:54:55,239
in the doubling, Right, Hitchcock does this a lot where

1845
01:54:55,239 --> 01:54:58,039
he'll have doubles. Lynch has doubling and doubles a lot,

1846
01:54:58,079 --> 01:55:01,279
And that's really just to show that the division in

1847
01:55:01,600 --> 01:55:06,039
the protagonists psyche, that he's not sure what's real, just

1848
01:55:06,119 --> 01:55:08,399
like with Jacob and Jacob's leader. He doesn't he doesn't

1849
01:55:08,439 --> 01:55:12,439
know who he is. He's disintegrated. His psyche is not integrated.

1850
01:55:12,479 --> 01:55:15,439
It's disintegrated and dissociated.

1851
01:55:15,479 --> 01:55:22,520
Speaker 8: Through all of these techniques like trauma, you ritual implants, yes, implants, cybernetics,

1852
01:55:23,680 --> 01:55:26,640
electroshock therapy, all these things were used. And then also

1853
01:55:26,760 --> 01:55:29,399
just lies, right, it's just people telling him lies about

1854
01:55:29,680 --> 01:55:32,439
where he is, what he's doing in order to get

1855
01:55:32,479 --> 01:55:35,359
what they want from him. And then they tell him

1856
01:55:35,359 --> 01:55:37,840
he's dreaming a lot. Oh, you're dreaming, it's a hallucination.

1857
01:55:38,680 --> 01:55:41,760
Speaker 1: And I mean they come to him. That's interesting because

1858
01:55:41,800 --> 01:55:45,239
they come to him and they say, you have schizoid embolism,

1859
01:55:45,439 --> 01:55:48,359
and you don't you can never know, and you don't

1860
01:55:48,399 --> 01:55:50,520
know what's real, so you're gonna have to distrust us

1861
01:55:50,640 --> 01:55:51,479
and do what we tell you.

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Speaker 8: So yeah, I mean that's that. What a great way

1863
01:55:54,079 --> 01:55:59,880
to initiate a you know, an agent into an organization

1864
01:56:00,039 --> 01:56:03,680
and completely confuse them and have them not understand who

1865
01:56:03,760 --> 01:56:07,319
they are what they're doing, because if they get caught,

1866
01:56:07,800 --> 01:56:10,680
who's going to believe this crazy person who's completely confused

1867
01:56:10,720 --> 01:56:14,720
and schizophrenic. And yeah, I think this is kind of

1868
01:56:14,800 --> 01:56:17,119
overlook a lot of people think of, you know, mind control,

1869
01:56:17,159 --> 01:56:23,000
and they think just about a clockwork orange style uh

1870
01:56:23,680 --> 01:56:27,800
mk ultra techniques. But more I think worldview warfare is

1871
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a really important concept here and this is what's being

1872
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waged on Arnold the entire time. Worldview warfare about who

1873
01:56:33,880 --> 01:56:36,800
he is, where he's going, what is what his reality

1874
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is all about?

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Speaker 1: You're not you, I'm you, You are not you? You

1876
01:56:44,880 --> 01:56:45,159
are me?

1877
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Speaker 8: Venus Ville? What was that with Venusville? Why do you

1878
01:56:48,720 --> 01:56:49,479
think they call that? That?

1879
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Speaker 1: One?

1880
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Speaker 8: The area with the Masonic checkerboard floor in the where

1881
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all the whores are, all the hookers and like get

1882
01:56:56,359 --> 01:56:59,479
like the midget, the red light district. They called it

1883
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venus Ville, and.

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Speaker 1: That was oh, well Venus, that's right, Yeah, so Venus

1885
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is the area. Well, it's obviously connected with the sexuality

1886
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and lust and all that, and so the red light

1887
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district on the planet is Venusville. Exactly. Did you notice,

1888
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by the way, that there was a Hilton When he

1889
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gets to Mars, he goes to the ritzy area and

1890
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he's in the Hilton. I just thought it was funny

1891
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that there's a there's a Hilton on Mars. And then

1892
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he has to eventually make his way over out of

1893
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the elite area to the poor mutant area. So there's

1894
01:57:32,720 --> 01:57:38,560
these people who have mutated from I guess Mars's atmosphere

1895
01:57:38,680 --> 01:57:41,560
being I don't know what, like radioactive or whatever. I

1896
01:57:41,560 --> 01:57:44,079
don't remember what the where the mutants come from? Where

1897
01:57:44,119 --> 01:57:44,640
the mutants?

1898
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Speaker 8: He just said that, like he sealed the air and

1899
01:57:47,119 --> 01:57:49,520
all the children started turning to mutants and get them.

1900
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I don't think they explained it, just but the mutants

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are psychic. They have they have they have developed psychic powers.

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Speaker 1: And of course greatest, greater than the psychic is the

1903
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third peat, the greatest of all sexuals.

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Speaker 8: That's the most important one.

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Speaker 1: Chick with the and by the way, all of her

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teats looked fake, but that third one especially looked fake.

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Speaker 8: And she has two real faked its and then a

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third fake.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, if you would like to contribute

1910
01:58:17,039 --> 01:58:20,560
to me and Jamie getting Jamie a third teat, there's

1911
01:58:20,600 --> 01:58:23,680
the super chats. I'll be putting it into a special

1912
01:58:23,760 --> 01:58:27,760
bitcoin hedge fund which will accumulate over time, and we'll

1913
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get Jamie that third teat that she needs and that

1914
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I want. So please donate.

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Speaker 8: You need, you need that, you deserve that. You you

1916
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work hard, You work really hard for this.

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Speaker 1: There's an all seeing eye in that sequence too, that

1918
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pops up. I want to note.

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Speaker 8: The girl was with she has pyramid with the eye

1920
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on them ear rings.

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Speaker 1: I saw that. I thought that was interesting. Yeah, like

1922
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the I noted that this was this is where it's

1923
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really getting, like the matrix. Arnold's like neo.

1924
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Speaker 8: But you notice that well, I thought it was kind

1925
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of interesting that that with the Masonic floor, that kind

1926
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of free Masonic floor when they're in the red light

1927
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district in Venusville or Venus being you know Lucifer obviously,

1928
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but they from that spot they kind of transition into

1929
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the next stage. Of the mystery and the uh I

1930
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think it was the antagonist, the bad character, Coohagen, that's

1931
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his name. Cohagen jumps through the glass, jumps through the

1932
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looking glass, jumps through the window, and then it cuts

1933
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to Arnold and this chick. They find this underground chamber, right,

1934
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they find and they get into the area underneath.

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Speaker 1: Catacombs.

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Speaker 8: Yes, yes, so they go into the underworld and they

1937
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you know, they go and they seek out this esoteric

1938
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knowledge in the underworld, and the underworld is full of

1939
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an ancient remains of an ancient civilization. Yes, Pyramids of Mars,

1940
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which I mean back then in nineteen ninety people were

1941
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talking about the Pyramids on Mars. I think it was

1942
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like nineteen eight. When did those photos come out, the

1943
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first Pyramids on Mars.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's when Richard Hogland put out that book, and

1945
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that was about ninety ninety one.

1946
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Speaker 8: Yeah, so, and I remember reading about this as a

1947
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really young kid, and this is kind of what first

1948
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got me interested in a lot of the you know,

1949
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all the alien stuff and what's up with these.

1950
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Speaker 1: Period That's not a face. It's the stupidest conspiracy of

1951
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all time. That's stupid ass Shatow that is not like,

1952
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by the way, they had photoshop in nineteen ninety. So

1953
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just because there's this vague looking, stupid face on Mars

1954
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is what I mean. There's literally a pyramid on Mars.

1955
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That's the dumbest thing of all time.

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Speaker 8: Denying your your ancient ancestors.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I don't believe in the Mars alien.

1958
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Speaker 8: Your ancient aryan ancestors. We're living on Mars and had

1959
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they had a beautiful civilization. But yeah, I don't. I

1960
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don't know what people think about.

1961
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Speaker 1: I was at a conference one time and a guy

1962
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gave a lecture on that Aliens were using nuclear war

1963
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on Mars, and so that's why Mars that's the atmosphere

1964
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it does because the Aliens had a new core there.

1965
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And by the way, that is in this this is

1966
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about the Aliens having nuclear technology, because what is the

1967
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alien tech and the pyramid. Oh, they figured out how

1968
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to lower these reactors into ice and then it creates I.

1969
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Speaker 8: Love how Arnold just walks in and he's like, which

1970
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is the reactor and he knows it down it will

1971
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be oxygen for everybody. Arnold just walks in and he

1972
02:01:32,760 --> 02:01:35,640
exactly what this is. He reverse engineers the nuclear reactor

1973
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within seconds of witnessing it.

1974
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Speaker 1: That's a great point. I didn't even think about how

1975
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stupid it was, Like, you have no idea what this

1976
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gigantic thing is, but Arnold just walks.

1977
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Speaker 13: In, Oh, yeah, it's the reactors. Pushed the button, right,

1978
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you put your hand down, and.

1979
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Speaker 1: Alien it's like push it down, and then the heater

1980
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comes on and now there's error, right, the conditioning of mos. Yeah.

1981
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Speaker 8: So the yeah, so this this this it's a very

1982
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gnostic film, right, like the the Total the Elon Musk

1983
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Demiurge and the revolutionary movement is going to save the

1984
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planet and free all the slaves, and and Arnold of

1985
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course you.

1986
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Speaker 1: Like in fact, I like the fact that they brought

1987
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that the Kohagen guy in and and he he layers

1988
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this the scam one more level, and he's like, oh,

1989
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you're actually a triple agent and you're working for me

1990
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all this time. Yeah.

1991
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Speaker 8: Well, I mean there's another thing, like it's just we

1992
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fear in the involved in the world of espionage, those

1993
02:02:39,319 --> 02:02:42,800
type of tactics of you know, switching people and and

1994
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and just messing with their minds is it's pretty important.

1995
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I think, you know, what's a good film, The Good Shepherd.

1996
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You watched that one.

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Speaker 1: Oh, that's great. You know that's actually based on the

1998
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real loosely, the real origins of how the British came

1999
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and set up the os s.

2000
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Speaker 8: Yeah, yes, exactly and Skull and Bones. You know, that

2001
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was directed by Robert de Niro.

2002
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Speaker 1: Directed that the pyramids of Moss.

2003
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Speaker 8: So that they go under the pp mids and inside

2004
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of the PP mids are a giant reactor and the reactor.

2005
02:03:17,880 --> 02:03:23,239
What's what the there you go, mos jay, do you

2006
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notice the.

2007
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Speaker 1: Climate by turning the Moss act conditioning on?

2008
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Speaker 8: Well, you notice in the poster there we show that

2009
02:03:30,800 --> 02:03:34,239
again because that's the the free Masonic compass right there. Yeah,

2010
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pyramid in the compass.

2011
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Speaker 1: Then we see Arnold's single eye.

2012
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Speaker 8: Yes, it's a super it's a very Masonic.

2013
02:03:41,039 --> 02:03:45,159
Speaker 1: By the way, the pyramid, yes, yep.

2014
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Speaker 8: So there there's a there's a lot of free Masonic

2015
02:03:48,000 --> 02:03:50,560
symbolism in that Venusville area. So there there's a free

2016
02:03:50,600 --> 02:03:53,359
Masonic checking checkerboard. And then when he goes, the hooker

2017
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brings him into the room and there's the pillar of

2018
02:03:56,279 --> 02:04:00,920
Jachim and Boaz on the side there. And then she's

2019
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got the pyramid ear rings with the eye in the

2020
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middle and there's three little dots hanging from them. So

2021
02:04:06,000 --> 02:04:07,920
a lot of the random stuff thrown in there. But

2022
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the concept of like the demiurge needing to be slain

2023
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and the mutants being freed so that they can live

2024
02:04:15,479 --> 02:04:17,680
happily ever after is.

2025
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Speaker 1: Yeah, We've got these different arnolds that he could be,

2026
02:04:23,479 --> 02:04:26,720
these different aspects of his psyche, and he, at least

2027
02:04:26,760 --> 02:04:29,319
as far as we know, he really was the bad guy,

2028
02:04:29,800 --> 02:04:33,640
but actually the good Altar ended up taking over and

2029
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that's how we got the good end.

2030
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Speaker 8: Yes, So yeah, that dualism idea.

2031
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the hero is also the villain, but he takes

2032
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over and then we have this image of Mount sina

2033
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In't there like a giant mountain that like the mountain

2034
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is what becomes like the vapor, yeah, thing.

2035
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Speaker 8: That's smoking and then throwing up the vapor and the terrorform.

2036
02:04:56,039 --> 02:04:58,039
Speaker 1: So actually this is similar to Dune. So they then

2037
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terrorform Mars completely to have an atmosphere and to colonize it.

2038
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So yes, then I was wondering, just kind of out

2039
02:05:07,239 --> 02:05:11,720
of speculation at the end, do we know for sure

2040
02:05:11,840 --> 02:05:15,359
that that was I mean, is he in the matrix

2041
02:05:15,479 --> 02:05:17,920
still or are we supposed to be unclear? Or is

2042
02:05:18,000 --> 02:05:23,680
this Schwartzendinger's cat. Get it Schwarzendinger's cat, because is it?

2043
02:05:24,399 --> 02:05:24,840
Speaker 7: Is it real?

2044
02:05:25,000 --> 02:05:26,000
Speaker 1: Or is it in the Matrix?

2045
02:05:26,079 --> 02:05:28,720
Speaker 8: Yes? I think, well, in classic Philip K. Dick's style,

2046
02:05:28,880 --> 02:05:31,399
you leave it open. Okay, Yeah, I don't know how

2047
02:05:31,439 --> 02:05:34,159
closely this follows the original short story, but it seems

2048
02:05:34,199 --> 02:05:36,000
to me in the end we're not supposed to know.

2049
02:05:36,159 --> 02:05:38,239
And if you wrap it up too tightly, you put

2050
02:05:38,239 --> 02:05:39,800
a little bow on it, it's not as fun, I

2051
02:05:39,840 --> 02:05:42,880
guess for the audience. So I think Hollywood likes to

2052
02:05:42,920 --> 02:05:45,560
leave it open ended like that. But remember the last line,

2053
02:05:45,640 --> 02:05:48,039
He's like, I just had a terrible thought.

2054
02:05:48,520 --> 02:05:49,600
Speaker 1: What did this ease or do?

2055
02:05:50,680 --> 02:05:53,560
Speaker 8: And then she's like, oh, you better kiss me before

2056
02:05:53,600 --> 02:05:56,439
you wake up, and then they make out and that's

2057
02:05:56,479 --> 02:05:57,760
the end roll credits.

2058
02:05:58,439 --> 02:06:01,920
Speaker 1: By the way, people in the chat, was that story

2059
02:06:02,079 --> 02:06:05,880
the Matrix? Or was Arnold really the triple agent who

2060
02:06:06,319 --> 02:06:06,720
did all this?

2061
02:06:07,239 --> 02:06:07,560
Speaker 8: I don't know.

2062
02:06:07,640 --> 02:06:09,800
Speaker 1: You guys, tell me what you think. What is Paul

2063
02:06:09,880 --> 02:06:11,720
Verehoven and Arnold? What do they want us to think?

2064
02:06:13,439 --> 02:06:16,319
We've got a few super chats we'll read here. The

2065
02:06:16,439 --> 02:06:24,720
Pyramids of moss but gets the mos gets you as

2066
02:06:24,800 --> 02:06:27,520
the moth gets you as remember when the thing shorts

2067
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out and he keeps saying that good.

2068
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Speaker 8: How about the red pill moment? Remember that he goes

2069
02:06:34,920 --> 02:06:39,439
brought up, I miss this. What is this? There's a

2070
02:06:39,920 --> 02:06:43,079
so he's I'm scrolling through right now. So he's having

2071
02:06:43,119 --> 02:06:47,640
this conversation with that fatuh petal looking dude, and the

2072
02:06:47,720 --> 02:06:50,840
guy's trying to confuse him and tell him basically, look

2073
02:06:50,920 --> 02:06:52,640
what you think is going on is not going on.

2074
02:06:54,119 --> 02:06:56,319
I'm gonna save you. I'm gonna help you. We need

2075
02:06:56,399 --> 02:06:58,800
you to wake up. If you take this pill, you

2076
02:06:58,920 --> 02:07:03,159
are going to wake up into the real reality. And

2077
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he gives him a red pill and Arnold puts it

2078
02:07:05,880 --> 02:07:08,359
in his mouth, and the guy's like, all right, man,

2079
02:07:08,520 --> 02:07:11,159
like swallow the pill. And then already zooms in and

2080
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there's the beat of sweat, and Arnold knows, because there's

2081
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a beat of sweat.

2082
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Speaker 1: He's lying. Yeah, he's a lie.

2083
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Speaker 7: He uses his his.

2084
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Speaker 8: Biological what's it called the polygraph test and reads his

2085
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sweat and then he shoots him in the dome and

2086
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then throws the red pill on the guy's throat. And

2087
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I don't know what he says to him divorce. He

2088
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doesn't say that that's one of the best for sure.

2089
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I gotta I use that for a super chat notification.

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Speaker 1: By the way, in the chat, people were asking about

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the show. Yes, so we did a full season of

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a TV show called Hollywood Decoded. There is one free

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episode that you can go watch. If you like that show.

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By the way, go and tell Guya to do another

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season so you can leave a comment there. That's the

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free episode everybody can watch. And I loved it. It's

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one of the funnest things I've ever done in my

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life was to do that TV show. We had a

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blast doing it. I wrote a whole other season two

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and we never did it, so but it's there ready

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to go. I think we had Total Recall on the

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list to do. But yeah, you can go check out

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those old episodes we got. Think we did nineteen full

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production TV show episodes of Hollywood Decoded, and we did

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do some James Cameron. I know we did Terminator. I

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don't think we didn't do total Recall, but there's some

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other gems on there. By the way, when you were

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mentioning the studio or the apartment that they have and

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at being small. Have you ever been on a set

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or like done a studio tour like Warner Brothers tour

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or anything.

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Speaker 8: Well, they're real open. Yeah, yeah, I've seen sets. They're

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bigger than they look, actually very large.

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Speaker 1: Well it depends, but what like if you go to

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Warner Brothers and take us a tour of their like

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their daytime TV shows the people's apartments and uh like schoolroom,

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classrooms or they're tiny, dude, they're really small. And like

2118
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when we were doing our show the set, you look,

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it looks like there's this big audience hall that we're

2120
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in that was just a projection. Sets are small, dude.

2121
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Like really, it'll blow your mind. They look like you'll

2122
02:09:22,840 --> 02:09:24,399
feel like a midget if you do a tour of

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a set, they're really small.

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Speaker 8: Speaking of her apartment, did you notice that she was

2125
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playing She was playing like Nintendo wee tennis.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, she had like a hologram we she was doing.

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Speaker 8: She was playing with the hologram. And that's that's the

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only other that's the only other thing we see her

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doing when she's not directly like Fear with Arnold is

2130
02:09:42,239 --> 02:09:46,600
playing with her fake friends video game hologram. So that

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idea of VR.

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Speaker 1: You know the v that had Skype too. Do you

2133
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notice they were doing video teleconferencing.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, ye, Skype everywhere in cars and stuff too.

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Speaker 1: We'll do some of these super chats. We got shining

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Diamond for three. No, Zach excise me exact way back

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at the beginning, Zac says, for twenty, I'm stoked to

2138
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be here, stoked to be here. Maybe the angry vegans

2139
02:10:10,439 --> 02:10:14,520
need a good steak. Yes, they do, right, Although ironically

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Arnold is a promoter of veganism. I highly doubt that

2141
02:10:18,720 --> 02:10:20,000
he's really vegan, but.

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Speaker 8: He says, he said, all my favorite I love it,

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but I know I should not.

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Speaker 1: I shouldn't need it.

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Speaker 8: You know you do.

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Speaker 13: Or whatever you feel the guilty And then but no,

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02:10:34,720 --> 02:10:38,479
I have a little uh, I have a friend who's

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a donkey, and to watch how I get the donkey

2149
02:10:42,399 --> 02:10:44,560
the the carrots.

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Speaker 1: Remember that video where he was feeding his donkey carrots

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during the.

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Speaker 8: Corona and telling everybody to stay home and.

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02:10:50,359 --> 02:10:55,119
Speaker 1: Me, stay home if you do it was completely dumb.

2154
02:10:56,439 --> 02:10:58,960
But yeah, so the vegans do need a stick Shining

2155
02:10:59,039 --> 02:11:01,920
diamond three dollars. Will you be doing an analysis of

2156
02:11:02,000 --> 02:11:05,760
the animated movie Ghosts in the Show and Akira. I

2157
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that was the only anime movie that I watched in

2158
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the nineties that I liked. It was it ninety mid

2159
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to late nine.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Kira and Ghost of the Show The Shell was good.

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02:11:14,840 --> 02:11:16,960
Speaker 1: I mean it had a lot of that same dystopian

2162
02:11:17,039 --> 02:11:18,720
blade runner my control type stuff.

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02:11:18,760 --> 02:11:20,479
Speaker 8: Yeah, and you already did the book that you know

2164
02:11:20,600 --> 02:11:24,319
the title is referring to goes to the Machine Kessen.

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Speaker 1: Right, exactly. And I know people have requested Neon Genesis

2166
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Evangelium because it has a lot of esoteric stuff. So

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I promise, what guys, one day I will get to it.

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I just there's so many things.

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Speaker 8: When I was in the universe, we had a course

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called Techno Thrillers and it was in the film The

2171
02:11:42,800 --> 02:11:45,600
Parliamentute took this part. It was a pretty decent course.

2172
02:11:46,039 --> 02:11:49,359
We we actually we watched Doctor Strange Love. What's the

2173
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other one that came out the same year as Doctor Strangelove,

2174
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But wasn't Doctor Strange Love. It was more of a

2175
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serious version of the Doctor Strange Love story. Somebody in

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02:11:59,479 --> 02:12:03,920
the audience might know, No, it's not Kubrick. It's like

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fail Safe for something. It was called fail Safe.

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02:12:06,680 --> 02:12:09,640
Speaker 1: Oh, where they have like a big computer that it's

2179
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like an AI computer. Yeah, I've seen it's boring.

2180
02:12:13,800 --> 02:12:15,760
Speaker 8: It's like it's like Strangelove, but it's not as good.

2181
02:12:16,920 --> 02:12:20,479
So we watched that. We watched the Will Smith movie

2182
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Enemy of the State, and then also Ghost in Michelle

2183
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and north By Northwest.

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Speaker 1: Speak.

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02:12:29,199 --> 02:12:34,039
Speaker 8: Anyways, the instructor was was pretty based for for that time,

2186
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you know. This was two thousand and six or seven,

2187
02:12:36,640 --> 02:12:40,880
I think, and he was really harping on about this

2188
02:12:40,960 --> 02:12:43,279
whole technocracy thing that we see coming on now and

2189
02:12:43,359 --> 02:12:46,279
all the films. We watched Blade Runner as well, but

2190
02:12:46,439 --> 02:12:49,960
all the films were very similar to the stuff we're

2191
02:12:50,000 --> 02:12:53,039
talking about here. So yeah, shout out to I forget

2192
02:12:53,039 --> 02:12:53,920
the professor's name.

2193
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Speaker 1: Have you seen the Demon Seed.

2194
02:12:58,600 --> 02:13:01,439
Speaker 8: I've foreseen that like screenshots or something.

2195
02:13:01,479 --> 02:13:04,319
Speaker 1: I did a ten minute funny breakdown of it that

2196
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Oh that's what I saw. I saw your videos. It's

2197
02:13:06,880 --> 02:13:09,920
worth watching. It's actually an AI that kind of wants

2198
02:13:10,000 --> 02:13:15,600
to incarnate the antichristis pretty wild, okay, and it's funny.

2199
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It's like one of those you know, funny Arnold.

2200
02:13:17,840 --> 02:13:19,600
Speaker 8: Is it like End of Days or something. I don't

2201
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think I watched that one.

2202
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Speaker 1: I know he did End of Days is another Arnold

2203
02:13:22,800 --> 02:13:28,760
like hoot. It's a hoot, He's like, it's basically Arnold

2204
02:13:28,800 --> 02:13:30,319
beating the devil. It's ridiculous.

2205
02:13:30,920 --> 02:13:34,680
Speaker 8: There's something that like Arnold early nineties Arnold and eighties

2206
02:13:34,720 --> 02:13:36,960
Arnold is always futter to watch. There's just something that's

2207
02:13:37,000 --> 02:13:40,439
like funered, like when he's just freakishly jacked. I don't know,

2208
02:13:40,600 --> 02:13:43,640
but later on Arnold when he when he when he deflates,

2209
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for some reason, it's not as entertaining when he isn't

2210
02:13:46,439 --> 02:13:47,800
like a freaking free.

2211
02:13:47,920 --> 02:13:52,279
Speaker 1: Low energy on a low energy when he deflates, he's

2212
02:13:52,359 --> 02:13:56,760
low low energy. Uh or yeah, all.

2213
02:13:59,000 --> 02:14:00,439
Speaker 8: I doesn't done anything a while.

2214
02:14:01,560 --> 02:14:04,680
Speaker 1: No, that last Terminator was awful. He was He played

2215
02:14:05,119 --> 02:14:09,640
Carl the Cuck who was a blind like you sold blinds.

2216
02:14:10,279 --> 02:14:13,319
Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, somebody mentioned one of the best mind

2217
02:14:13,359 --> 02:14:14,800
control movies this Zolander.

2218
02:14:15,920 --> 02:14:18,039
Speaker 1: Yes, I need to add that to the I got

2219
02:14:18,079 --> 02:14:20,239
a list of about thirty mind controls to do.

2220
02:14:20,399 --> 02:14:23,000
Speaker 8: I'd say that Zoolander is probably one of my favorite

2221
02:14:23,039 --> 02:14:26,239
stupid comedy movies. As like a kid, I think I

2222
02:14:26,319 --> 02:14:28,880
was like thirteen fourteen when I came out fifteen.

2223
02:14:30,840 --> 02:14:34,880
Speaker 1: I have natural I have resting faced blue steel yeah, you.

2224
02:14:34,960 --> 02:14:38,359
Speaker 8: Do, you do? I just I love what Hansel when

2225
02:14:38,359 --> 02:14:43,039
he's telling his story about Peote, he's telling his trip report. Yeah,

2226
02:14:44,479 --> 02:14:47,319
then I realized I've never even been the Mount Vesuvius.

2227
02:14:49,880 --> 02:14:51,039
I found myself falling.

2228
02:14:51,800 --> 02:14:51,920
Speaker 1: Ah.

2229
02:14:52,000 --> 02:14:55,960
Speaker 8: Yeah, did you see the second Zoolander? Yeah?

2230
02:14:56,000 --> 02:14:56,920
Speaker 1: I actually thought it was good.

2231
02:14:57,439 --> 02:14:59,319
Speaker 8: It was pretty funny, and it was it wasn't.

2232
02:14:59,239 --> 02:15:02,439
Speaker 1: And I had the the whole like Hollywood MK ultra

2233
02:15:03,239 --> 02:15:04,199
satanic cult.

2234
02:15:04,680 --> 02:15:06,920
Speaker 8: Yes, yeah, and Kyle Mooney was in it, who used

2235
02:15:06,920 --> 02:15:09,239
to be really funny until Saturday and at Night Live

2236
02:15:09,359 --> 02:15:12,840
destroyed his career. Him and Beck Bennett were freaking hilarious

2237
02:15:12,880 --> 02:15:14,760
due they were like the original YouTube comedy.

2238
02:15:15,239 --> 02:15:22,239
Speaker 14: Yeah, inside so inside, so exactly inside his skits man

2239
02:15:22,319 --> 02:15:24,439
and then his stoner skits where he's like he's like

2240
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a pothead pothead.

2241
02:15:25,560 --> 02:15:26,600
Speaker 1: He's always talking about weed.

2242
02:15:26,680 --> 02:15:29,159
Speaker 8: Yeah but he's but he doesn't really smoke weed, and

2243
02:15:29,279 --> 02:15:31,560
he just tries to act like he's cool. And that's

2244
02:15:31,680 --> 02:15:34,079
those skits are so funny. And then sn L got

2245
02:15:34,119 --> 02:15:36,119
ahold of him and ruined his career. And what is

2246
02:15:36,159 --> 02:15:36,680
he doing now?

2247
02:15:38,720 --> 02:15:41,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm there are some of his skits on

2248
02:15:42,119 --> 02:15:45,760
SNL that are good. They're not all five years.

2249
02:15:46,239 --> 02:15:49,640
Speaker 8: Beck Bennett was funny too, but they just got him.

2250
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They just made him play putin and with his shirt off,

2251
02:15:51,880 --> 02:15:52,319
and that's.

2252
02:15:53,760 --> 02:15:55,880
Speaker 1: All right. So the next next to our chat is

2253
02:15:56,079 --> 02:16:00,720
uh in Jesus, Christ In Christ, Our Lord twenty dollars.

2254
02:16:01,159 --> 02:16:07,199
Great work for you to question. For Little Aids, what

2255
02:16:07,279 --> 02:16:09,840
are some of the Orthodox books that you've read, Little Aids?

2256
02:16:10,279 --> 02:16:14,439
And for both of you, out of ten, how would

2257
02:16:14,479 --> 02:16:16,279
you rate both these movies? The first question to you,

2258
02:16:16,439 --> 02:16:18,760
Tristan is what are some of the Orthodox books that

2259
02:16:18,800 --> 02:16:20,720
you read that you liked? All right?

2260
02:16:22,520 --> 02:16:28,520
Speaker 8: You right here recommend well. I haven't read every page

2261
02:16:28,520 --> 02:16:32,920
of Saint John of Damascus, but Sat John Damascus very good,

2262
02:16:33,799 --> 02:16:36,479
the Seraph and Rose. The first one I read was

2263
02:16:36,879 --> 02:16:39,079
God's Revelation with Human Heart, and then after that I

2264
02:16:39,200 --> 02:16:42,760
read Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future, and then Genesis,

2265
02:16:42,799 --> 02:16:45,440
Creation and Early Man and that was what convinced me

2266
02:16:45,799 --> 02:16:48,600
essentially to become Orthodox. So I read those and then

2267
02:16:48,680 --> 02:16:56,719
also Orthodox Dogmatic theology is another good one. What was

2268
02:16:56,760 --> 02:16:59,920
the book that father off I'll give us about Wounded

2269
02:17:00,120 --> 02:17:03,120
by Love? Wounded by Love is a really good one.

2270
02:17:04,360 --> 02:17:06,840
Jessica and the kids have read, but I didn't read

2271
02:17:06,879 --> 02:17:13,319
it with them, Saint John the Wonder Worker, those all recommended.

2272
02:17:14,680 --> 02:17:18,079
Else Yeah, no, there's nothing that I well, some of

2273
02:17:18,120 --> 02:17:26,040
them are, say Maximus the Confessor was a little bit

2274
02:17:27,079 --> 02:17:29,399
like heavier and a little bit more difficult. But I

2275
02:17:29,680 --> 02:17:32,879
really enjoyed that. And then also there's another one Loski.

2276
02:17:33,159 --> 02:17:35,520
It was the Lostky book, two Lostky books, and both

2277
02:17:35,559 --> 02:17:40,719
of those three Mystical Theology of the of the Eastern Church.

2278
02:17:40,840 --> 02:17:44,360
That was Mystical Theology the Church. You know, those were good.

2279
02:17:44,360 --> 02:17:46,159
Those are heavy. I read them about a year and

2280
02:17:46,159 --> 02:17:46,559
a half ago.

2281
02:17:46,680 --> 02:17:47,120
Speaker 1: There they are.

2282
02:17:47,239 --> 02:17:49,440
Speaker 8: Yeah. So that that book right there took me about

2283
02:17:49,440 --> 02:17:51,680
a month to read because there was just so much.

2284
02:17:51,680 --> 02:17:53,520
I had to do more research while I was reading

2285
02:17:53,600 --> 02:17:55,520
it to catch up on some of the themes. But

2286
02:17:55,639 --> 02:17:58,079
that that cleared up a lot for me. But I

2287
02:17:58,159 --> 02:17:59,959
mean I can't I couldn't sit here and summarize it

2288
02:18:00,079 --> 02:18:02,040
for you because it was a year and a half.

2289
02:18:02,040 --> 02:18:03,799
I know that I read its cool.

2290
02:18:04,399 --> 02:18:06,559
Speaker 1: So on on a one to ten scale, what do

2291
02:18:06,639 --> 02:18:09,680
you give Jacob's ladder and total recall?

2292
02:18:10,840 --> 02:18:15,719
Speaker 8: Jacobs ladder one to ten, I give it like six

2293
02:18:15,799 --> 02:18:21,840
and a half d mt hits total recall, I give

2294
02:18:21,920 --> 02:18:26,040
it nine out of ten Sharon Stone kicks to Arnold

2295
02:18:26,040 --> 02:18:27,399
Schwarzenegger's Testy Cows.

2296
02:18:31,319 --> 02:18:33,479
Speaker 1: I would give both movies a seven. I'm going to

2297
02:18:33,520 --> 02:18:36,840
say they're both seven. They're different. They both have similar

2298
02:18:36,920 --> 02:18:39,479
themes with the mind control and psyche and all that.

2299
02:18:39,680 --> 02:18:42,559
Speaker 8: But when I give Total Recall a nine, it's not

2300
02:18:42,760 --> 02:18:45,680
like it's a great film. It's just so entertaining and stupid.

2301
02:18:46,040 --> 02:18:49,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, just as the film overall, it gets a seven.

2302
02:18:49,399 --> 02:18:52,159
But for entertainment, I would agree with Tristan that it's

2303
02:18:52,200 --> 02:18:53,120
a nine. It's a hoot.

2304
02:18:54,040 --> 02:18:56,000
Speaker 8: You can rewatch it and laugh. It's like a good

2305
02:18:56,040 --> 02:18:57,440
movie if you, I don't know, it's just if you

2306
02:18:57,479 --> 02:18:59,719
want to laugh with some friends. It's a great movie.

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02:19:00,040 --> 02:19:02,840
Speaker 1: Jacob's latter is not a movie you're gonna rewatch it.

2308
02:19:03,120 --> 02:19:06,920
It's not a fun movie. Alt Monarchists for two dollars

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02:19:07,399 --> 02:19:10,559
review Stalker. Yes, I know I gotta do Tarkowski. I

2310
02:19:10,639 --> 02:19:12,840
actually wrote a bunch of notes on Rubelov and then

2311
02:19:12,879 --> 02:19:15,639
I got to where I was about to do Stalker

2312
02:19:15,680 --> 02:19:17,879
and something happened. So I apologize. I know that that

2313
02:19:18,440 --> 02:19:22,440
I'm really slacking by not doing that, But we will eventually.

2314
02:19:22,600 --> 02:19:25,399
Just like the other requests, there are some big ones

2315
02:19:25,440 --> 02:19:30,040
I've not done. I know it's a big empty spot

2316
02:19:30,159 --> 02:19:35,079
in my film repertoire Jerry Jerry Dingis. We got the

2317
02:19:37,120 --> 02:19:42,520
mister dingas here, biggots and nerds, a match made in

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02:19:43,040 --> 02:19:46,159
on Tick Wilderness. We do live in an ontic wilderness

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and this is a match made in the heaven of

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on Tick Wilderness. That's the biggots together with the nerds. Absolutely,

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there's a lot of overlap.

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Speaker 8: I think there's a lot more nerds right now than

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I gotta see up four hundred and thirty eight. Every

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once in a while we'll pull in four to thirty,

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but only if there's someone else coming on a street.

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We're in the we're in that two hundred range, and

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YouTube's trying to get us in the zero range as

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soon as possible.

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Speaker 1: Everybody be sure that, yeah, go support Tristan. Subscribe if

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you're not over subscribed, over at a problem Edge. I've

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got his link there in the show description, So be

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sure and hook up with Tristan. Bounteous no Jack Jack

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for three dollars says, if I can affect the way

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people think and feel by what I think and feel,

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is it because of demons? Do I need to see

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a priest or do prayers often? No, I mean you

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could just have a persuasive personality that affects the way

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people think and feel that doesn't necessarily have to be demonic.

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Do I need to see a priest or do prayers often?

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I would say, do both. How's that Bounteous an Orthodox

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priest not.

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02:20:53,360 --> 02:20:55,319
Speaker 8: A Roman Bunant priest anyways.

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02:20:55,079 --> 02:20:58,559
Speaker 1: Not a Roman priest An orthodoxers Bounteous five dollars. Did

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you notice the red pill? Yes? Thank you. Tristan brought

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02:21:01,159 --> 02:21:05,200
up the red pill that the recall guy offers to Arnie.

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Carnivore alliance six fifty one of Tristan's biggots in the chat.

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Maybe off topic, but picnic and hanging rock. I think

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02:21:15,959 --> 02:21:20,920
the secret to it is some carnivorous plant hermaphrodite venus

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satan ufo. Okay, did you lost me?

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02:21:23,719 --> 02:21:23,879
Speaker 8: There?

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02:21:23,959 --> 02:21:24,760
Speaker 1: He went offensive.

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02:21:24,799 --> 02:21:31,239
Speaker 8: The carnivore alliance is always coming with the the like like,

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02:21:31,280 --> 02:21:32,719
what did they call that back in the day that

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remember that.

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Speaker 1: Channel is the stream of consciousness.

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Speaker 8: Streamline, syncralstic, remember those channels twostic?

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02:21:40,239 --> 02:21:42,479
Speaker 1: Yes, Lauren Cobleman, the synchro mystic.

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02:21:42,559 --> 02:21:47,120
Speaker 8: Yep, yeah, he's kind of like like that. He's when

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02:21:47,159 --> 02:21:49,520
you talk to him, he's more coherent, but he likes

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02:21:49,600 --> 02:21:52,639
to uh. He goes into the I think I think

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02:21:52,680 --> 02:21:53,920
it's got a while to mate.

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Speaker 1: The stream of consciousness going on in the chat, So

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02:21:56,000 --> 02:21:58,719
we welcome that. You can. You can send six dollars

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02:21:58,799 --> 02:22:01,200
fifty stream of consci all day long. I will listen.

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Speaker 8: Janie Sophia twenty dos the movie he says, He says,

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Picnic can hang your rocks the movie Okay, I got

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02:22:07,319 --> 02:22:08,159
that actually just.

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Speaker 1: The rest of it where I was lost. But Janie

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02:22:11,079 --> 02:22:14,040
Sophia twenty dollars. Apologies if you've already covered this, but

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02:22:14,239 --> 02:22:18,399
Jacob's Ladder had toll House. Yes, we covered Soul after

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02:22:18,479 --> 02:22:21,600
Death the Surf and Rose book in relation to Jacobs

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02:22:22,639 --> 02:22:24,479
along the right track there, Jennie.

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Speaker 8: To the person who asked, I also read that book,

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and I would recommend that one too. That's a really

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02:22:28,520 --> 02:22:31,120
good one. I recommended that to several people. I think

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02:22:31,159 --> 02:22:32,280
it's very useful.

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Speaker 1: And thank you for that fat super chat twenty whole bucks.

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02:22:36,280 --> 02:22:39,079
Appreciate that. Dell Bridge for five dollars. Jay and Tristan,

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02:22:39,159 --> 02:22:41,399
how are you? I'm great? How are you do?

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Speaker 8: I'm better?

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02:22:44,040 --> 02:22:48,319
Speaker 1: Than Jay. Is it possible that you could better at

2382
02:22:48,440 --> 02:22:51,000
being worse? Yes, you are better at being worse than

2383
02:22:51,040 --> 02:22:54,520
me totally. Is it possible that both of you could

2384
02:22:54,719 --> 02:23:01,879
review Kurt Vonnegut's Harrison berger And film and In and

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02:23:02,159 --> 02:23:04,239
In Time starring justin Wait.

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Speaker 8: Oh, you told me what you told me last night

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02:23:07,399 --> 02:23:09,840
to watch that in Time Justin Timberlain.

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Speaker 1: Well, I've seen In Time with Amber Amanda Seyfried and

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02:23:14,000 --> 02:23:17,879
Justin Timberlake. That's a good dystopian movie. But Kurt Vonnegut's

2390
02:23:17,920 --> 02:23:22,520
Harrison Bergeran film, Okay, now I'm not familiar with that one.

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02:23:22,680 --> 02:23:24,760
In Time is good. It is a dystopia that you

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02:23:24,799 --> 02:23:27,760
could do and announces of Yes, lastly, God bless both

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02:23:27,760 --> 02:23:30,239
of you. Well, thank you, Dell Bridge much appreciate it. Wet.

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What a total spas all right, speaking of nineteen nineties,

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I mean, these are two nineties movies. That's a great

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nineties slang. It's such as spas. Why are you such

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02:23:43,000 --> 02:23:45,719
as spazd We should do a Holly Schorn That was

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02:23:45,760 --> 02:23:48,239
the nineties spurg is a spas.

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Speaker 8: Right, spaz for sure?

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Speaker 1: Yeah. The nineties version of a Sperg nowadays was a spas.

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02:23:57,440 --> 02:24:03,959
Speaker 8: Absolutely anyway, insight. Hey, I appreciate that I just wrote

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that down. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Well, I fooled those. So keep a notebook handy because

2404
02:24:10,639 --> 02:24:12,360
you can just transcribe for me. You can be a

2405
02:24:12,360 --> 02:24:14,840
little secretary. That's work for you.

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Speaker 8: I'd be honored to be your little secretary. I really

2407
02:24:17,680 --> 02:24:19,360
like the way you said that. It makes me feel

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02:24:19,479 --> 02:24:21,680
very little aids, little.

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Speaker 1: Aids, little secretary. You could just transcribe the proverbs all

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day long. All Right, we're having fun. But his name

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02:24:33,840 --> 02:24:37,639
is Tristan and he is the head honcho over at

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02:24:38,200 --> 02:24:40,959
vegan Alliance dot com. Just kidding, the head honchho over

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02:24:41,120 --> 02:24:45,159
at Primal Edge Health. You can follow him by clicking

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02:24:45,280 --> 02:24:47,799
the channel in the show description that is called Primal

2415
02:24:47,879 --> 02:24:50,879
Edge Health. And he would love to have you. He's

2416
02:24:50,879 --> 02:24:53,200
been doing some really funny streams. He's doing a call

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02:24:53,280 --> 02:24:54,799
in thing. I want to ask you. I tried the

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02:24:54,840 --> 02:24:56,479
calling thing a couple of times. That kind of got

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02:24:56,520 --> 02:24:58,479
on my nerves. Are you having fun with Collins?

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 8: That's my favorite.

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Speaker 1: I did.

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Speaker 8: I did Collins like a few years back when YouTube

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first came out, but it was like I was more careful.

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But now, yeah, I just I open up the open

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up the zoom and it's fun.

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 8: I mean we get friendlies like I don't know. I

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just like talking to people. Man, I can talk to anybody.

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I ain't talk to anyone, So I invite any anybody

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02:25:20,239 --> 02:25:21,920
if you don't, if you want to chat, or if

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02:25:21,920 --> 02:25:24,040
you just want a debate. I keep trying to get

2433
02:25:24,079 --> 02:25:26,200
these vegans to come and debate, but none of them will.

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02:25:26,479 --> 02:25:31,399
Speaker 13: Because you're just going to go slow and mutus.

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02:25:32,879 --> 02:25:35,120
Speaker 8: I mean, she's either welcome to calling, but she won't.

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These people, they like to throw their stones from the distance.

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Speaker 1: Jay.

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Speaker 8: Before we at the end, I wanted to ask you,

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have you gotten this book yet? No?

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02:25:46,159 --> 02:25:47,520
Speaker 1: Everybody saw need to get it though.

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02:25:48,760 --> 02:25:53,120
Speaker 8: I'll send you that's classes new book just published, like

2442
02:25:53,239 --> 02:25:56,200
last or two months ago, maybe the Great RECOVID nineteen,

2443
02:25:56,280 --> 02:25:58,840
the Great Reset. I'll send you the PDF.

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02:26:00,239 --> 02:26:00,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, I check.

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02:26:01,559 --> 02:26:03,959
Speaker 8: It's very blatant. Okay, Yeah, so it's.

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02:26:03,879 --> 02:26:07,079
Speaker 1: Gonna tell us the whole spiel. We got another super

2447
02:26:07,120 --> 02:26:10,879
chat three dollars from Julio. He says, chain Link Crypto

2448
02:26:11,040 --> 02:26:13,000
is to the Moon. I'll have to check that out.

2449
02:26:13,079 --> 02:26:15,200
But except I don't want to go to the moon.

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02:26:15,639 --> 02:26:16,799
Speaker 9: I want to go to Mas.

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02:26:17,479 --> 02:26:20,600
Speaker 1: Good to Crypto to Mas. We don't want to go

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to the moon.

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02:26:21,799 --> 02:26:23,559
Speaker 8: You know, it's like the only three planets I mentioned

2454
02:26:23,680 --> 02:26:29,159
was Mars, Venus and Saturn. In they kept saying you

2455
02:26:29,159 --> 02:26:30,760
should go to Saturn instead Saturn.

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02:26:30,920 --> 02:26:33,040
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I had a Saturn note. Good point. Thank

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02:26:33,079 --> 02:26:36,120
you forgot that. All right, everybody, have a good night.

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02:26:36,200 --> 02:26:38,120
I hope you enjoyed tonight's show. Be sure and like it,

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02:26:38,280 --> 02:26:41,200
share it, tell a comment below if I missed anything.

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We always have good comments from the movie audience telling

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02:26:45,520 --> 02:26:49,239
me the details that I missed. And we look forward

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to the next stream. We'll be doing some psycho hot

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02:26:51,879 --> 02:26:54,600
stuff and I'll be doing more spooktober. I'm sure Tristan

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and I can come up with some more mind control

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02:26:56,840 --> 02:26:57,280
and spook.

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Speaker 8: We've got clockwork Orange on the list. I mean, we

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mentioned also that Philip K. Dick one Scanner Darkly, a

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Lone Skanner Darkly.

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Speaker 1: We'll do some more m ks for sure. All have

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a good night.

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Speaker 8: Well maybe maybe Jay you can come on and we

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can do