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already has. Thank you so much. I want to welcome
everyone back to the pe Canona Show. You know, it's
been a wat since you've been on the show, rad Hawk,
but it seems like we like work on a show
together all the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're like the co host of the Pony Express streams.
I was trying to remember when the last time actually
wasn't your channel proper. It has to have been a
couple of years now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's twenty twenty two, I think, and the well
it is because we were in so much contact. I
guess we don't even really think about it and everything.
And plus we record once a week. But yesterday I
had the I had the duty of trying to fill
in for you. Yeah, please don't miss any other weeks
because yeah, it's yeah.
Speaker 2: Now, you guys, you guys did a good job filling
in for me. As we're recording. This is the day
after the hurricane. So the reports of my death have
been greatly exaggerated.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I wonder who was reporting your death. That guy.
That guy's an asshole.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So so as it go, and you're you're, you're you
live through you experienced your first hurricane.
Speaker 2: Now I know, Pop my cherry. Uh you know it
was Uh it wasn't too bad. I was fortunate enough
to be like just one mile away from where all
the major flooding was and uh, you know, it wasn't horrible.
I'm sure I'm going to read a bunch of news
reports this week about how climate change is existential threat
to our survival and this is why we have record
level hurricanes and such.
Speaker 1: But whatever, Yeah, the I went through a bunch because
I lived down there for a long time and I
actually went through Hurricane Andrew, and where I lived at
the time was that's where Andrew was headed. And at
the at the last minute it turned and went south
down to uh down in Miami. So we got spared.
We still didn't have power for a while at some
broken windows, had some down trees, but it wasn't like
the Third World like I mean, the next day, I
went to a restaurant because we didn't have power, went
kind of restaurant that had power. Was looking on TV
and I'm like, oh, what did they have an earthquake
in the Third World? Oh no, that's Miami. Yeah it was. Yeah,
that was that was pretty wild.
Speaker 2: But yeah, and then just today it was clear blue
skies and I went to the gym and went to
the grocery store. Power came back on. It's you know,
aside from a bunch of down branches on the streets everywhere.
Says if like, nothing really happened in my area.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the one good thing about after a hurricane
is you can't get some really good weather.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I mean, hey, people may think that we're just talking,
you know, a little small talk here and everything. One
of the things we did want to talk about was
the environment. And you know why caring about the environment
and caring about conservation and caring about the outdoors isn't gay.
It's just that a bunch of gay people made it gay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. I mean a lot of people. But in
our thing have been making the similar connection to the
overall like general well being of health and fitness U
sphere has basically just been completely surrendered to our guys
at this point. And so you know, anytime you see
like a fitness guy or a guy who's talking about
health or testosterone or seed oils or plastics in the
food or whatever, you know, whatever some ject related to that,
it's just one of our guys at this point. And
the environment conservation is another one of these issues that
is ripe for attack from our guys right now because
basically what the left has done is limited every single
discussion on the issue to some form of climate change,
which is just this amorphis catch all term that means
that we have to give a billion dollars to Bill
Gates this very moment, or we're all going to die
in the next ten years. And this has just been
proven false time and time again ever since. Like I mean,
people point back to, you know, things like the nineteen
seventies and the eighties when they were predicting the next
ice age. They're predicting we're run out of food. You
have Al Gore's Inconvenient Truth that came out in the
early two thousands, and he predicted that the sea level
was going to rise and take out Miami in twenty twelve,
And now that's twelve years ago. Now at this point,
so where all these predictions that people are having, and
you know, it's just right for us to take over
at this point because it's just run by a bunch
of crazies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting you mentioned all the health stuff and everything.
You mentioned this, and our our brother John Slaughter had
a great tweet where he's like, the future is far
right guys with crunchy wives.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Slaughter is a smart guy. It's probably correct.
Speaker 1: So I know that from someone I was I talked
to a few years ago. He was big into the
into activism, climate activism, like in the late eighties, and
he said he was like, really the only lefty that
was out there like pouring sugar in the gas tanks
of like logging companies things, and you know taking out
you know, taking out their vehicles so that they wouldn't
just take down these whole forests because they weren't planning
on replacing them. You know, they were just gonna they
were just it was just basic deforestation for deforestation's sake.
And he said most of the guys he was out
there with were like a R slinging right wingers who
were like, yeah, this this, we can't let this happen.
And then it seems like, well, with the whole climate
change thing becoming commercialized, becoming something that someone can make
money off of, that just it for some reason that
fell into the left. And now al Gore has gone
from Yeah, I mean he's he's made well into the
hundreds of millions through climate activism.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and what is he actually produced from it either?
I mean there's arguments to be made about, you know,
finding alternative sources to energy and such like that, doing research,
but all these clowns have nothing to show for their activism.
It's just money laundering at this point. And back to
what I was mentioning about, how this whole scene has
just been taking over by crazy loons, whether it's your
Gretitunebergs of the world or amazingly, we don't really have
these here in the States yet, but no doubt they're coming.
But you see this in the UK all the time,
these like just stop oil people who are like spray
painting Stonehenge or throwing cans of soup on priceless works
of art and such because like they think the world
is going to sync to the bottom of the ocean
because like people are using some oil and such. It's
it's just complete lunatics, like inmates running the asylum at
this point.
Speaker 1: Well, I know that from the episode you deal with
Thomas talking about hunting specifically, you were talking about hunting
in Africa, but I know you hunt.
Speaker 3: Here as well.
Speaker 1: I know that I'm not a hunter, but I've spent
a lot of time around hunters, and you know, there
are some of the first people who are going to
talk about you know, conservation and the environment and you
know specifically around where they live. They want to take care,
they want to take care of around where they live.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were often the hunters and anglers are like
the first people to like sound the alarm in many
cases of environmental disaster. People can look this up in
the seventies and the eighties, like Lake Erie and Lake
Saint Clair and like the I forget the name of
the river, Mommy, you know the Mammy River, and like
Toledo and such and uh, the runs through downtown Cleveland.
They used to catch fire back in the day because
of all the pollution. And it wasn't like a bunch
of environmentalists that sound of the alarm on that. It
was duck hunters said that, you know, there's no ducks
in this area anymore. You know, the pollution is so
bad that there's no like wild cellar that's growing to
feed any of these ducks. We can't hunt this land anymore.
You got to stop this nonsense. And of course it's
going to be hunters and anglers and sound the alarm
on this because they spend the most time in the woods.
You know, you can call on any of these environmental
activists and such so called and I guarantee you I've
spent more time in the woods in the wilderness than
all of them combined. Because they're they're a bunch of
city slickers. Basically, they just see everything through the screen.
They don't know what the behavioral patterns that thought patterns
are of the species that live in the wilds, and
how best to monitor them and how best to manage
them and such. It's just they have this view that
the only thing that man could possibly do in nature
is to harm it somehow, like man doesn't belong in
nature at all. He's just like this complete, you know,
outside force that is only destructive.
Speaker 1: Well, I think that that basically has to do with
their ideology that you know, the only people who are
really doing this here are white men. And you know,
there are groups that if you're familiar with deer hunting,
there are groups in the Carolinas that go out and
they they they have an over overpopulation of deer. They
go out, they deer hunt and then they'll take that
meat and they'll take it to a process and plant
and all this will to charity. You'll just go to
feed the homeless. It'll go toward it'll go towards something.
They don't even want that, because that is basically the
guys doing it on their own, coming up with their
own solution for things. And you know, if they're not,
if they don't get a chance to control it through
their NGOs and government agencies. Then you know, it's just
it's just white people doing you know, white people taking charge. Well,
no we can't, it has to it's only us white
people that get to do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just more like a colonizer rhetoric that you see.
And they almost kind of have a view of the
wilderness kind of in the same way they view like
a bunch of indigenous groups. It's like there's like a
Rousseau's noble savage of view of the wilderness as well,
and it's like that they have no concept of Okay,
a hunter goes into the woods and shoots a deer,
which is infinitely more humane in most cases than how
the deer is actually going to you know, die in
the wild. It's not like you know, this Disney fairy
tale where a deer is going to die of old
age surrounded by loved ones. It's like, no, it's getting
it hunted down after it's been sick, probably been lame,
maybe it's been hit by a car, and it's going
to be tracked down, ripped apart as first by a
pack of coyotes and a pack of wolves. It's like,
shut up, you have no idea what you're talking about
and you see this as well when you see like
legislation passed, particularly in what are now increasingly becoming more
and more blue states out west. You saw something like
the Pacific Northwest forever with things like forest management. But
I mentioned this in the stream of Thomas as well.
New laws have come down in Colorado for reintroducing a
gray wolves into the state. They passed this in twenty
twenty two, and now the populations have exploded and they're
starting to eat livestock. And while they gave a law
to reintroduce to wolves, they didn't pass a law courseponding
with it for management of these wolves. So it's like, okay, well,
do you want to just have do you want to
just like surrender all of like our towns and all
of our neighborhoods to wolves and such like that. I mean,
like for a month perspective, like like bron jaits Perber
would say like, oh, yeah, that's really based and such.
But like you came and actually fight them and actually
like kill them, you know, otherwise you're gonna get prosecuted.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's what ends up happening once once it
reaches the point where it's such a detriment to the population,
the human population and the live stock and the livestock
is that's the only thing you can do, is okay,
Now you got to go out there and you got
to kill them all, and who wants that. You could
just do it. You could do it in a way
where that is more natural.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 1: Didn't they introduce a wolf population into Yellowstone like fifteen
years ago there hadn't been a wolf population there for
a while, and they manage it really well, and then
they saw certain other kind of species that had returned.
Speaker 2: Yeah, basically it was like a cascade effect in the
sense of Okay, so you reintroduce a to predator, and
the top predator is going to cut down populations of
you know, your top herbi bores, so your dear, your elk,
your bison and such, and that gives opportunities for plant
species to bounce back because of not constantly being eaten
all the way down to the stem all the time,
because you have less herbivores running around, and that brings
an opportunity for smaller herbivores to like make a return.
You know, so like your different species like rabbits and
other small game and such are allowed to come back,
and that corresponds with different kinds of insects, and you know,
food webs are very very delicate indeed, So yeah, introducing
a top predator definitely has knock on a facts that
enrich in environment.
Speaker 1: Well, I know, you grew up in you grew up
in Michigan, and people automatically when they hear about Michigan,
they think a Detroit is Detroit only. Just like when
you talk about New York, call it. Anybody wants to
talk about his New York City. But I mean, once
you go up and you go north, I mean, you're
talking about some beautiful wilderness up there in the and
it looks like a mitten. Isn't that what it ends
up looking like? And yeah, I have a friend that lives,
you know, almost all the way up to Canada there
and everything, and apparently everything's supposed to be the how
is the conservation up there?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you get this a lot in your Midwest States,
where of course the population is centered around the big
cities and then outside of that it's just you know,
wild wilderness country and it's Hunter Central and everybody knows
the maps of they're all like deep red areas surrounded
by blue sea, blue cities and such, and yeah, Michigan
is definitely one of these cases of the majority of
the population is in like the southern quarter of the
state land mass wise, and then the other three quarters
of the land mass of the state has like nine
to one quarter of the population, So it's very sparsely populated.
You have giant pine forests. As you go further north
in the upper peninsula of Michigan, you have wolf populations,
you have elk, you have moose, you have bear, So
it's it's very very wild up there.
Speaker 1: Do you think I was just this is a wild
thought I just had because I was reading about what
they do in England, and I don't know if they
still do it. Some of our English listeners can hit
me up on Twitter or something like that. But venison
is huge over there. I mean, it's one of their
it's one of their staples. But I think they have
state farms where they basically farm it. I mean, what
about a state trying that out.
Speaker 2: That would be an interesting idea. There are a couple
of venison farms across the country, definitely more of them
for like elk and bison. Es actually can go to
like a high end restaurant and can get like a
bison burger, an elk burger or something like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Ted Ted Turner does that with the vice.
Speaker 2: And m Yeah. The biggest issue about that is is
that it's actually illegal in most states for you to
directly sell your wild game on the market, and their
their accusation of this is kind of the same thing
where you run into like people in like the raw
milk community and such like that, like, oh, well, it's
it's super dangerous and you can't be selling this stuff.
I mean, I'm kind of two minds about this. And
there's this is like a big argument that goes back
and forth in a hunter circles as to how concerned
people should be on some of these like chronic preon
disorders and diseases that are now popping up in deer species,
particularly in the Midwest and New England and such. There's
some really nasty chronic wasting disease that's being found at
a lot of deer these days, which is a tick
borne disease, you know, if you go down enough rabbit holes.
Some people say it was even like a government bioengineer
similar to like lime disease such. So that's like the
argument they're making now is that like, oh, well, you
can't sell wild game because it could be infected and
we don't want this disease to jump over to humans
and such. It's like, yeah, I mean it could be.
It's in such rarere, rare cases that I don't know.
I am in two minds about it though.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean I was specifically talking about something that
would actually be the state funded or state state sponsored,
you know, so that you actually, yeah, that was something
that the state did, they would have, you know, just
I mean, we already have farmers to get paid, not
to grow paid. I mean, it doesn't it seems like
something that might work, you know, if you have the
right state, if you have the right kind of management
of a state. I'm trying to think of a state
right now that I think would be competent enough to
do that.
Speaker 2: But you know, you know, I'm just workshopping this idea.
I bet you this could work very well in a
lot of your Midwest states. This is going to open
up another can of worms in another discussion. But you'll
have these deer farms where they basically purebree top genetics
for white tail deer, red stag, mule deer, what have
you in these large fenced in game preserves basically, and
you get some truly like monstrous, genetic, abnormal white tailed
deer who have like twenty seven points on them and such,
and hunters will pay like twenty grand to go and
shoot it. Basically, it's like, oh, I got the biggest
white tail deer ever. But you know, because it's like
a fenced in property and such, and you have so
many deer in this place, I suppose you know, a
lot of these guys would probably gladly like when they
have to call these deer because they just have to,
you know, get a subsidy from the government and sell
a lot of this meat off and such. I'm I'm
sure those guys would certainly be interested in it. But
you know, as soon as you bring that up, people
are going to bring in, like the the ethical question
of like, oh, fenced in hunting and all that kind
of stuff. So I just don't try most of the
state legislatures to actually deal with this issue. Accordingly, there's
gonna be bitching and complaining about and saying this is
unethical because you're treating Bambi a bad way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems like this would be something that one
of our guys, our guys would have to take over
a state in order to see how this would uh
see how this could play out and everything. So, so
what else I mean, I know you grew up going
to you were talking to Thomas about going to Africa
doing big game hunting there. You've done hunting here. Yeah,
how do we take this back? How do we you know, what,
what's the message that you know? Or even let's let's
go here. I mean we've talked about here a little
bit over there. It seems like in Africa, it seems
like because they count so much upon on the income
that like Americans or anyone from anywhere around the world
would go to spend there, I would think that they
would probably go out of their way to make sure
that the environment was a little bit is clean, well
clean as possible out there. I mean, you don't have
a lot of a great deal of manufacturing, you don't
have a great deal of I assume you don't have
a great deal of trash, but at least as far
as like the game that you're going, it would seem
like conservation would be really important to them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, It really depends on the area in which you go.
There's there are a couple of countries that have because
they haven't been subject to a lot of civil unrest
and civil wars throughout the last fifty to sixty years,
they've kind of set themselves up into a groove where
they're okay with people coming over and you know, actually
hunting for sport as opposed to catering to poachers, which
you know, even still any country over there is going
to make more money poaching than hunting at this point.
You know, the money that you get for like ivory
fetches more than heroin on the world market, depending on
where you are. And even though in some countries like Namibia,
for example, which is one of the few countries left
where you can hunt black rhinos, it's a quarter million
dollars to shoot one cash and you can easily get
way more money from that from one rhino horn by
selling it to the chinamen and such. So the corruption
is really rife in a lot of these places where
you know, briberies go down, poachers come in and shoot
a bunch of stuff, but they also do cater to
you know, professional hunters in the areas where professional hunters
are catered to populations are stable across all of Africa
where you actually look at the numbers where professional hunters
are stationed, but they can't be everywhere, right. And then
when you actually look in the context of countries where
they don't have professional hunting, these are mostly your war
torn countries because obviously, you know, you're not going to
spend a bunch of money if you're rich like Texan,
you're not going to go to like Angola or Mozambique
or you know, like like Congo or some shit. You know,
you're not gonna go to one of these like terrible countries.
So in those places, yeah, the game is just being
like ripped apart, and there's extinction and extra pation of
species is happening all the time over there. So it
really does depend on where you are. But what is
clear is that left to their own devices without like
the incentive for professional hunters, which are almost always Westerners,
and they're always being monitored by Western phs as well.
It's not like you have a company that is you know,
like actually run by locals. It's always run by some
kind of you know, either Rhodesian or South African guy
or you know, some guy from Tanzania or something. It's
always like a white guy who's in charge of these
alfreds and these countries and these companies and such. It's
never like locals, like locals that are employed, who are
like trackers and service people and such like that on
these big safaris. But left to their own devices, they
would just destroy every last bit of this game and
sell it to the highest bidder.
Speaker 3: Really tells you something, doesn't it. Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So.
Speaker 3: What would you look at for? Uh?
Speaker 1: Huh okay, So you have you have control over this,
what's the first thing you do. What's the first thing
you try and get under control?
Speaker 2: In the context of Africa, Well.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean we can stay here, let's let's
come home. I mean, sure, we're gonna have to worry
about Africa at some point. I agree with Eric Prince
on that, but yeah, let's let's stay here.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I'm pro colonialism just to save the megafauna
at this point. But we can go back to that later. Yeah.
For uh, I think it'd be very One of the
takes has been going around recently in our spaces is
discussion about how like rights and Second Amendment and stuff
to some people is viewed just like a distraction issue
because it's one of the issues that has actually expanded
since you know, and I've been alive, Like concealed carry
is in almost every single state at this point, and
it seems like gun rights is one of the few
things that the right has actually made some serious gains
on in the United States, and one of the things
like it's almost like that's the only issue that hunters
care about outside of like hunting itself. Like you have,
like the big organizations like Dallas Safari Club, Safari Club International,
you know, Boone and Crocket Club, of all these like
big hunting organizations, they seem to only really care about
the gun issue. And that's basically it. Like, Okay, we're
really rob rob protecting Second Amendment and such. But what
I would really like to see out of these guys
is reaching out into other, you know, avenues. I would
really like to see people like you know, whoever's in
charge of SCI reach out to somebody like RFK because
combining those two things together with I mean, I don't know, Pete,
I don't know how often you wild game and such,
but it's just so much more healthy for you than
like the engineer gooy slab that has fed down our
throats every single day. I mean, and you could detect
it immediately, like when you take a bite of venison,
you take a bite of a bison burger or an
elk steak or something, you could just immediately tell there's
way more vitamins and nutrients in this thing than anything
I've basically eaten before. And I think that is a
really productive avenue that these people should be making more
inroads to. Another thing that they can making inroads to
is things like anti factory farming, you know, like the
free farming movement or whatever the hell people are calling
it these days, like open range farming and such. I'd
like to see these guys look for allies and realize that, hey,
this issue of hunting is about overall general health of
our people and our nation as a whole, as opposed
to Okay, let's just focus about guns. So just talk
about guns, guns, guns again. It's like, Okay, I get it,
the guns are really important. I understand that. But you know,
let's let's expand our horizons here a little bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, as far as elk and bison and the light go. Yeah, obviously,
I'm not out there shooting any but I do whenever
I can, I get it. And you can you can tell,
I mean right away you can the Yeah, the average
kind of steak that you get, especially if you get
a steak at like a Costco or one of the
big stores, when I mean there's no comparison. I mean
I used to have a Sam's Club membership and we
used to get like the big pack of steaks and
it just got to the point where I just stopped
because I would just look at them in the package
and you're just like, all right. Then you go to
a butcher's shop, a real butcher shop that has we
have a butcher We have a butcher shop in town.
Speaker 3: That's great.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just basically coming from from farms around here.
And the difference is you can see it right away,
you can. You can just look at it, and you
can tell there's a difference. And you know, people who
haven't eaten like bison or elk or even a chicken
or you know, my my property is surrounded by a
cattle farm, and I know the people who own the
cattle farm, and you know they've given us, you know, here,
here's some of your neighbors, you know, just stick in
the freezer, and it's like the taste is so different.
I mean it's just it's not even it's not even close,
you know, and it's like the first time he gave
it to me is like, now it's gonna taste different.
It's gonna I'm like, dude, I've had I've had right
off the I've had right off the farm before it.
Speaker 2: A couple hours ago.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, so you know, and then he has
a chicken house, so we go there and we get
the we get eggs like as they're you know, that
were laid that day and everything. So yeah, I mean,
people really need to start looking into this, because when
you do start eating stuff like that, you you just
feel different. It's yeah, I don't even really know how
to explain it.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. And then I think the other thing, too,
is one of the indrouds we can make is, you know,
money's pretty tight right now from people, right inflation wise
and everything, and people look at the price of you know,
like a Wagoo b for some of this like really
organic stuff, and it seems to be way more expensive.
But if you actually go out and engage in the
sport yourself and kill it yourself. I mean, you should
like three deer, and that's enough food for you for
an entire year, so easily. I mean like you should
like three doughs. That's about you know, depending on how
big they are, that's around one hundred pounds of nison.
And you got to think in your head what you
go through like two pounds of meat a day maybe
depending on how big your family is and such. And
a deer tag in most states is like forty five
bucks at this point because there's just so many of them.
I mean, granted, yeah, there's a bit of a barrier
to entry because you got to you know, make the
time and find a hunting ground and such, and you know,
hone your skills properly. But I mean, if you get
your family accustomed to, yeah, I killed this thing, and
I'm gonna got it and I'm gonna stick it in
the freezer and we're gonna eat venison, you know, a
couple months out of the year kids, you know, it
can be very very luquidive for you.
Speaker 1: Well, even I mean even if you don't want to
dress it yourself. I mean there's in most areas you
have you have butchers. You have taxidermists that'll do it
for you, and they'll yeah, they're not gonna They're not
going to charge you an insane amount of money. And
when you after you pay the tag and then you
pay the pay the pay the butcher or the some
around here taxidermy shops there are the ones that do
a lot of that. They you know, you're basically paying
four or five dollars a pound.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so I.
Speaker 1: Mean you're you're making out better than you would in
a store.
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, And uh. I think the goes thing too.
And this is one of the things I'm really trying
to get started next year for some of our OGC
members and our chapters across the country is I'm all
start taking our guys on hunts. I have some ideas
to I'm going to test run this later this year
in Florida some of the guys in the Florida chapter
to go on a wild boar hunt. But what I
want to do is, at least like two times a year,
take a couple of our guys either down to Texas
or down to Florida and start getting them involved actually
in the sport. Because it is a pretty hard barrier
to entry. It's not like fishing where you can just
pick up like a twenty dollars pond from Dixborny Goods
and go down to your like local pond or something.
You know, like it can be really daunting if you
don't know what you're doing. So that's one of the
things I want to do, and not just because like
you know, you actually need somebody to teach you about
you know, how to properly conduct yourself when you're out
in the wilderness, like basic safety stuff like ready to
shoot your animal, how to dress it properly. The other
thing too, is that it's just a spiritual experience as well.
You find yourself way more in a connection with wilderness,
God's creation, even yourself. You know, there's something like primal
that awakens in you when you're adrenaline is high and
you know you've just shot something, you've killed something for
the first time. You definitely have way more of a
a respect for the world, and you understand your place
in it, and you understand your role, especially as particularly
as you know people of the West, and as white men,
who are the only people on the entire planet that
have engaged in conservation in any way, special honorable mention
goes to the Japanese, but ignoring them it kind of
just puts in context like you know, people like what crises,
people like BAP for saying that like one snow leopard
is worth like ten million you know, pagets. But I
totally fucking agree, absolutely true.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean, well, yeah, the snow leopard is
not going to lie to you about their their skills
and everything, and yeah, you hire them and then it's like, oh, wow,
they really don't know what the hell they're doing.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It really just attacks this idea of like when we
talk about like the bug men and such and senseless
biomass just for biomass sake, And it kind of like
brings me back to one of the things I really
hate that establishment normy cons talk about is like that
they're always getting hung up on this idea of like
a population shrinkage and such like this, which is like, okay,
I mean, like population decline is just like anything, there's
going to be busts and booms and things like this.
And if we didn't have this you know, entitlement scheme
basically to pay for everyone's social security and welfare until
the day they die, you know, population, you know, decrease
would be a pretty good thing, especially for us younger
guys who are looking to buy ourselves at home and such,
and this like idea that, oh, well, in order to
compensate for the fact that we've basically destroyed the incentives
for men and women to get together and reform families,
we need to import more people from the Third World
into our own country, which somehow is like environmentally friendly
to be wasting a bunch of fuel transporting people from
the Third World over to here. And then also to
compensate for that, because we need more people to you know,
work for us. Instead of addressing issues at home, we're
just going to break very basic civilizational rules that everybody
in the past knew about, Like I don't know, don't
give your enemies your fucking technology. It's like rule one
when you're playing a game of civilization is don't give
like Sub Saharan Africans who didn't invent the wheel or
written language, like access to twenty first century technology. And
then you just see these absolute horror shows of trash
that is built up on every single shoreline throughout all
Sub Saharan Africa, in every single river in Southeast Asia
where they've destroyed dozens upon dozens of species just in
the last decade and driven them to extinction. It's like, yeah,
this is an absolutely fucking joke. And then on top
of that, it's somehow like you know, the westerner's fault
for driving a gas powered car that you know you're
destroying the entire earth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then the same people who claim to care
about the environment import them here, want them imported here,
or advocate for them to be imported here. And then
you watch the videos from like New York City or Springfield, Ohio,
or you know what Miami has been for a long time,
and you realize that these people they don't know basic sanitation. Yeah,
and yet we're supposed to bring them here, and somehow
what we're supposed to teach them, we're supposed we're supposed
to take time out of our day to make them human.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, sorry, it's yeah, it's crazy. I mean, like,
just look at it from a picture from space, and
this is amazing when I first heard this a couple
of years ago. But it's nuts when you look into it.
Look at the country of Haiti, and they've almost cut
down every single tree in their entire country, like they've
almost completely exhausted all of their resources. It's like there's
just no concept of, you know, saving for the next
day or saving for the future. I just exploit, exploit, exploit, use, use,
use to the very last man. And they're absolutely going
to do that here. There's not like some magic dirt
that oh, I'm going to import a Haitian and all
of a sudden he's going to have respect for the
land or come up with the idea of a national park,
like they just think about that for a second. The
idea of having a national park a place that we're
just gonna section off. Nobody's allowed to go in it
unless with express written permission from the government, and it's
just going to be sanctuary for wildlife and wide open,
beautiful spaces and you're just going to be there to
hike it and you get heavily fined if you leave
trash around, and you're just there to enjoy, and they're
to take in the beauty of God's creation like nobody
else thinks this way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and now there's talk of cartels being you know,
setting up shop in these parks and everything, and I mean,
do you think they're going to care about it as
much as you know we would of course not.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, people.
Speaker 1: I read Camp of the Saints on my show about
six months ago or so, beginning of the year, and
I had people comment and they're like, oh, I read that.
It's so comical. It's so it's just it's really at best,
it's a comic book, caricature of these people. At worst,
it's just the most racist thing. And it's like, no,
it's like no, I mean, I've never been to India, Okay,
but I know several people who have been to India
and they all have the they all have the same opinion.
It's like, I can't wait to leave. And I had
one person who saw me there, like, as soon as
they open up the plane door, you know, you think
you're in hell because the smell gets you as soon
as you open the door. It's like, and this is
what they want. This, this is the strength of diversity
that we need apparently.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it just goes to show you how really
subversive a lot of these like nature documentaries hosted by
like David Attenborough or whatever, where they have a clear
like climate agenda to push on these things where they
they'll show you like species from like India or something,
and they'll talk about like tigers or bears or whatever.
Show you, you know, a tiger at a kill. And
then they'll show you like the factories of India and
it kind of puts in the subconscious of your brain.
It's like, oh, there's smoke stacks as factories. We have
smoke stacks and factories over here in America. We're just
as guilty as this than they are. But they're very
careful to never ever show you the literal mountains that
are like eight stories tall of trash outside of like
New Delhi. They're so tall that they actually need to
have like air traffic control towers on top of them
to make sure that airplanes don't fly into them. That's
how tall these mountains of trash are there in this country.
They never show you the shorelines that are covered in
plastic and fishing nets and just junk of all kinds
because they just don't care. It's like, oh, well, something
goes under the ocean. It's just you know, like tragedy
of the commons. It's just out there and no one's
going to touch it, you know. So like they put
this like worm in your brain where it's like, oh, well,
we need to shut down all the factories here because
that's the problem. It's like, I mean, if you just
like look at the actual math and the statistics for
like greenhouse gases in carbon which is like, yeah, it's
approved scientific phenomenon. How much do humans have an effect
on it is like minimal as far as I'm concerned.
I mean, when you look at the data of something
like when Mount Saint Helen's erupted in nineteen eighty or
was eighty one, I forget each year, but it put
more CO two in the atmosphere than the previous six
thousand years of humanity combined. It's like, yeah, just to
think that man has this kind of power to be,
you know, increasing the temperature of the planet when already
the Earth is in a extreme like cold period in
its history if you look at the fossil record and so,
I mean, it's just ridiculous to think that like factories
are the cause and the problems here when the real
big issue, if you want to talk about environmental concerns,
is actual pollution, things like plastics, things like masks. From
the previous like three years when everyone was locked down
in their fucking homes because of a cold. Yeah, all
those masks are in the ocean now, and like a
bunch of fish and a bunch of sea turtles and
whales and shit are choking on them all the time
because no, oh, well, of course they're just gonna end
up in the ocean. They're a bunch of like oh
uh people in Southeast Asia and a bunch of Indians
and such, and they're not gonna dispose of them properly,
so of course they're going to get into the ocean.
And once it gets into the ocean, people can look
up these things about like the Great Pacific garbage Patch
and just gets caught up in this never ending circular
currents that go between the South China Sea and Hawaii
and such, and it's new splash. It's not the United
States or any country in the West for that matter,
that is contributing to this level of pollution. And they
always try to focus on, like the climate stuff. It's like, well,
first of all, you haven't proved that a that's damaging
in anyway, and second of all, you're actually not addressing
the things that people should be talking about, like the
fact that you're just dumping shit into the oceans.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And another thing is if they really really cared about
the environment, nuclear would be That's pretty much what the
whole country would run on because it's the cleanest burning
energy out there.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: They put up these windmills that are just absolutely disgusting
that I mean, first of all, they look terrible.
Speaker 2: They kill many of my feathered friends.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and they leak oil all the time. These
solar farms which are basically using up, using up land
and just look look horrendous if you've ever seen those
from the sky. And then we just you know, like
like France did. And I haven't really looked into France recently,
I'm sure that they've succumbed to some kind of pressure
to get rid of their nuclear that they were running.
I think it was like ninety to ninety five percent
of France was running on nuclear, And well, why can't
we have that here? Well, because Three Mile Island, which
was you know, who knows what the hell that was,
or movies like the China Syndrome, they're trying to scare
everybody to death.
Speaker 2: I'm like, everyone just brings up the you know, the
description of like a chernobyl or like the Fukushima disaster.
It's like, well, I mean, okay, so you're talking about nuclear.
So we've had what like three major disasters in like
the one hundred years it's been around, and one of
those was done because it was run by a bunch
of incompetent comis and the other one was because a
tsunami in an earthquake occurred right next to the foundation,
so it got destroyed. It's like, okay, I mean, what
do you want from me at that point? I mean, yeah,
nothing's ever going to be perfect. Sorry, but you know,
in you know, as they always say, right, it's about
trade offs, right, It's like, okay, do you want to
have a billion windmills that kill god knows how many
birds every year? And do you want to have these
giant ass solar farms that we've proven are just not
productive like at all on a large scale. I mean,
like you can get like solar panels install like outside
your house and it'll cut down on your electric bill
quite a little bit. But to do this at scale,
we just don't have the battery technology to do it.
And I don't know if you want to, like I
don't know if Elon Musk wants to invest in do
some research into battery stuff. I'm like, okay, fine, but
this idea that you know, somehow we're going to get
the entire American public to start driving on electric cars.
It's like, well, where do you think electricity comes from?
I mean it comes from burning coal. It doesn't come
There's not enough waterways and enough windmills and enough solar
panels to generate enough electricity to keep the grid going
if everyone wants to start using electric cars. I mean
that this is just like fairy tale land. I'm done
by a bunch of people who don't spend time in
the wilderness, who don't know how energy is used or
or consumed, quite frankly, and they just know nothing about
like nature, food chains, food webs, anything like this. It's
all just based on emotion.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you have I mean, and you have options.
I mean natural gas can run whole house generators.
Speaker 3: I mean you.
Speaker 1: The idea that we've just allowed this this monopoly where yeah,
sure we do have we do have some nuclear power
plants around the country, but not nearly enough. And I
mean you still have dams, you still have you know,
you still have, and that can work that can work
for smaller communities, but when it comes to the heavily
populated areas, especially well the coasts, I mean, this is
a no brainner. And you know, considering now that you
they're even safer ways of producing nuclear it's I mean,
it's just.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then and also continuing back to what we
were discussing already, is the left, who claims to be
on the side of environmentalism protecting the environment just want
to go infinity migrants. It's like, I remember getting into
an argument on Twitter once with like a leftist because
I had one of these like tweets that went viral
basically saying that like, of course, like the white man
is the only one that engages in conservation. And whenever
I have one of these tweets that go send my viral,
there's always like some shit libs in the comments, like
raging about this, and I just asked them about immigration.
I'm like, okay, so you're just going to convert every
single like forest, great plain, desert, you know, a coastline,
you know, everything into like cheap ass shopping balls, and
like they have like this cognitives and sort of like, no,
we just need to build more housing. It's like, well, motherfucker,
Like people just don't live at homes, dude, Like you
have to have a whole infrastructure. Need to build up, schools,
you need to build up like all sorts of other things.
For a community, you need to build up you know, supermarkets.
Speaker 3: Need to build up hospitals.
Speaker 2: Yeah, everything else that requires like a population increase. Now,
so yeah, you are going to replace everything. It's not
just like, oh, let's just build more housing. We can
have a billion Americans. Like in this Matt Iglesias conception,
which angers me to no end. It's like, dude, they're
I'm taking more and more of like a lot of
approach as I get older in this thing. It's like
there's way too many people. I mean not just not
just in America, but like completely abroad. You know, like
the no, fuck off, we do not need a billion people.
I'm fine with the population declining so I can afford
a home. I'm fine with there being more wild spaces.
I'm fine with you know, like a government like unfunded
liabilities to like take a backseat, Like I really just
don't care. I want a country. I want a nation.
I want to be able to walk outside and enjoy
the clean air. I want to go to a national
park where there aren't infinity pagetes, you know, just standing
in line. I was in Like I went and visited
Mammoth Cave National Park this summer for the first time,
and I was just blown away how many Foig nationals
are there. It's like if I get if I'm president
of day one, it's like free and minutes to all
like a national parks and theme parks and such for Americans,
and like a five percent uptick to all foreigners, like
the national park system and like a theme park system,
you know, something like disney World. Used to be one
of like the perks of being an American, but now
I was just like so expensive. It's so cost prohibitive
for like your average Joe family from like Maine to
go take a summer road trip down to Tennessee or
to Florida with the family. It's it's just not like
feasible anymore. And the not to mention issues of like
traffic here in an underway. I mean, I was driving
around Toronto earlier this year, which is the traffic capital
of the Western Hemisphere, and stuck in traffic for three
and a half hours to go five hours through downtown
to go five miles through downtown. It's like, there's too
many fucking people here, and we're just going to import
more of them and more of them, more of them
when we don't have the infrastructure for it. It's like,
get the fuck.
Speaker 3: Out of here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'm not, obviously, I'm not advocating for this,
but when you put them into cities you have public transportation.
When you put them into friggin Springfield, Ohio or Silicaga, Alabama,
there's no public transportation. So they have to buy cars.
They have to get cars, and they're given money to
buy cars. And well, what's they're so worried about these
cars in the environment and everything. Now you have more
cars on the road. Now you have more you know,
more you know of the co two that they're they're
so worried about, or the not to mention the yeah, traffic,
well yeah, traffic fatalities. These people just don't think. Yeah,
And I know there are some of them whom who
are just really really fucked in the head, who think
they mean well, but then there are the ones that
are just doing it to punish us.
Speaker 2: And yeah, and then they have exactly, and then they
have their apparactions in the media. Did you see this
when I forget the name of the journal was doing this.
But in the wake of all this Springfield, Ohio stuff
popping off, this guy like basically wrote a op ed
comparing a Haitian going down to the local duck pond
snatching up a goose as the same thing as a
hunter going outside and shooting a goose with a shotgun.
He's like, well, well, white people go out hunting all
the time, so what's wrong with the Haitian going down
to the local pond and just stagging one? It's like, dude,
do you have do you have like like how far
barrick are you? Like, seriously, do you have like no
concept of fair chase? Do you have no concept of
like being a warden of the place that you love?
Do you have no concept of like decency and like
an appreciation for beauty and like walking around a local
park when you see what it's basically like a domesticated
goose walking around that's very accustomed to people, Like people
go down there with their kids and you know, feedbread
to the ducks and shit like this, and and you
think that's the same thing as like a hunter going
out in the woods and decking himself out in cameo,
buying a goose tag that goes right back into conservation
of like wild wetlands and such, taking a gun out
and shooting it in a very humane way, and then
like reporting, you know, if he shot one that has
like a bird tag on his ankle and reporting it
to the DNR so they could track movements and migratory birds.
You think that's the same thing as some like sixty
five iq hation going down to like the local pond
and just grabbing something and wringing its neck in from
a bunch of kids, Like, what the fuck is wrong
with you? Dude?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've.
Speaker 1: These people there. They fucking hate us so much that
they default to the absurd to try to justify the
shit that they do. I mean, none of these people
have you know. I got a at my sub stack
this morning was about this email that I got from
some fucking shit lib up in New York who wanted
me to explain myself because I did a video on
the history of Haiti. Fuck you not explaining myself. I'm
not explaining myself to you. I'm not fucking first of all.
You know, it's like somebody there was a really good
threat on Twitter today about how you know, these fucking
commis the way they frame their questions is to try
to once you argue and try to answer their question,
you've basically accepted their framework.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the left is so good at this at fan.
Speaker 1: And my response, you know, my response to this thing
about I have friends that are Haitian. I have Haitian
Catholic friends, and you know, some of them are so
much nicer than a lot of the people around me
who call themselves Christians and everything. And I just really
want you to explain, you know, what is the problem here,
Explain yourself and everything. And I was like, you're not
my people. I'm not going to explain myself to you.
There's no conversation to be had here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like a lot of our guys. Maybe
it's because of like the intellectual foundation of where a
lot of us have come from in our thing as
it relates to like the twenty seventeen like facts and logic,
own sjw's and such. Or maybe it's just a way
that a lot of us came to our opinions we hold,
We came to it through like careful inspection of ideas,
and this is why we hold the positions that we have.
People have this idea that like you have to engage
in like an argument or a discourse with people, because
that's how a lot of us got to our position,
when really, I think a lot of our guys can
just start thinking of ourselves as an up coming elite.
Like no, you simply credit to Charlotte as well, because
he was kind of bringing this up on the stream
out last night. I listened back to it today when
he was talking about just the standard deviation and IQ
from people like us to Haitians. It's like, yeah, it's
a couple. Standard deviation is a way that you can't
just even understand how these people think. And I think
that's a way more healthy position for a lot of
our guys to have. It's like, no, this isn't a discussion.
I'm going to win. I'm going to set the tempo,
I'm going to set the frame, and you're gonna fucking
live with it. And I don't really care what you
have to say. I'm not arguing with you. The time
for discussion is long past. Things are like the stakes
are far too high at this point, I just I
just don't care. I mean, I've like over two thousand
people blocked on Twitter at this point, Like, I'm not
gonna fucking argue with you. Get the fuck out. You're
my enemy, no way, I'm going to rule over you.
And if you don't like it, Pound sand.
Speaker 1: This is exactly what I saw the person I said,
I don't know you, and from your comments, I can
see you're not my people. We don't share values. So
I will not be responding with an ur hument defending
my position, and I have no interest in convincing you
of anything. I mean, what else is there to say?
Speaker 2: Yeah, excellent. I mean I see this a bunch of
like my Twitter and I try to give like kind
of examples to people like this when they follow my account.
This is one of the great lessons that you know,
you'll find in a red pill and manaster. Your stuff
is about frame control and up setting frame and such,
because it's very important when you're having relationships with women.
But it's also just good and many other aspects of
your life. But you know, like I make a point
and then some like shit lib or some like you know,
like brain dead little bird basically will come into the
comments and say, oh, so that means you must advocate
x y Z. It's like, okay, well what grown man
uses the word advocate? You know, like you're only doing
this for two reasons. One you're either looking to come
in here and argue and try and catch me in
like a goatcha statement or something, or two you're looking
for someone to lead you. Basically, you're looking for a shepherd.
And I don't have time for either of those people.
Out of time for arguments, and I have no time
for like being a shepherd. For you. It's like, come
to your own conclusions if yeah, you like, if you
like what we're about it. It's like Thomas says, right,
we're not Jehovah's witnesses.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought i'd mentioned this too if you hadn't
seen it a little bit off topic. But they're reporting
that Michigan ballots will now only be counted after proof
that signatures have been verified following a GOP lawsuit.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we need to we need to strengthen the Peninsular
Vanguard chapter up there and start getting things done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's definitely something that our guys can
get involved with and if anybody in the chat right
now is listening, sign up to protect the vote for
this fall, particularly if you're in a swing state. We've
been chilling it on the OGC streams and we think
it's really important. So it's the least you can do.
Speaker 1: Apparently, I mentioned the the o GC email yesterday. We
got on the stream but we got h Well, it's good.
You know, it's great that people are. People want to
get involved. You know, they want they want information, and
then once they get the information and they meet with
you know, like minded people, they get they want to
get involved. And I think Alabama is one of the
one of the chapters is leading the way. Yeah, the
boys down the boys down there and uh down South,
they're doing some good work.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we got some really exceptional guys. Uh in
all of our chapters I've been I've been very impressed
with the quality of people that have signed up and
have won to join in on the OGC in our chapters.
There are some really impressive dudes.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I saw some pictures of the Virginia chapter getting together
today that looked like fun.
Speaker 3: I wish I could have been there.
Speaker 2: Yea, the Virginia guys. They definitely take on the frat
boy persona quite a bit, don't they love it.
Speaker 1: It's great, It's great. Harvey's Harvey's great, He's hilarious. Well, anyway,
let's uh, let's wrap this up. Let's uh, we could
talk about this all night, but it's you know, only
so much you could say about the about conservation. You know,
if we start trying to get down into the weeds
when we have no power to do policy positions now.
But I think to me, the solutions are very simple,
I mean very simple. Less kick about twenty to forty
million people out of the country, cleaner energy, and yeah,
the conservation of the environment that hunters the people who
are already concerned about the outdoors. Start a movement, start
a pack, you know, maybe you know, some of these
pro gun packs have done really incredible things, like National
Association for Gun Rights here, I think maybe a National
Association for Gun Rights has a little offshoot of conservation
and yeah, I mean I just think it starts and
goes from there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there definitely are amount of organizations that have done
really good work and continue to do to do good work.
But there are definitely a lot of old heads you know,
so things like Boone and Crocket Club, Ducks Unlimited, Rocky
Mountain Out Foundation, Safari Club International, Dallasafari Club. Now, all
these organizations they're definitely looking for new blood. I mean
they're Hunting is one of those sports that is decreasing
year over year because you know, like it over indexes
very highly with boomers and not very millennials and zoomers
do it. That's partially because, like the traditions haven't been
passed down. It's partially because there's a cost entry and
a bearer's entry to do it. But either way, you know,
our guys should be getting involved with it in any
way they can. And the one last thing I will
promote is if people want more of a hands on
look as to what is going to happen to the
entire Third world if the white man isn't in charge
of the resources there. You know, I're bringing this up recently.
I'm just blown away that under the current regime and
the current like Perst post Nuremberg order that like the
United States has to respect the sovereignty of a country
like Sierra Leone, and so it could just like freely
waste all the megafauna and that country, you know, because
for some reason, No, it's ridiculous here and inferior people
who don't have access to those resources the same way
that we do, and you're just gonna waste all of them.
And when the megafauna are gone, they're not coming back.
But I point everyone to the excellent documentary from the
nineteen sixties Africa Ado. Definitely go and take a look
at that. That is an absolute must for anyone in
our circles and you will see what happens when you know,
the white man leaves places like Kenya, Tanzania, Rhodesia, South
Africa and leaves it to native hands. What they do
to the local wildlife and such, it's truly barbaric stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely got to check that out. I haven't checked
that one out. I just wrote it down so that
I can when I get a chance, I can. I'm
sure it's probably on YouTube, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's it's on YouTube. And I actually think
that Martin Captain Driever actually tweeted out the whole documentary
fairly recently, so people can just go and watch it
straight from his Twitter account. Be warned, watch it on
empty stomach because there's some very barbaric scenes of Native
Africans and what they tend to do to the wildlife there.
So just just be warned, all.
Speaker 3: Right, man, I appreciate you. Take care, talks in all right.
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me on Beat