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We've got a fire deep dive today. You may have
seen in the title traditionalism. I've been talking about kind
of leading into this for a while. The past couple
of weeks, I've been really researching it, and yeah, I
think we're getting there. I think we're getting there. I
could start talking about it confidently. We've got the warfare
Eternity by Benjamin Teitelbaumb talks all about Steve Bannon and
his kind of connection with Dugan, his ideations of Gwynan
and Evola. So we're going to talk a lot about
that and it's gonna be a good time. So, so
people have been getting on me about the Orthodox attacking
that I've been kind of doing, and I'm not attacking
tho or I just want to lay this out now.
I'm not attacking the actual religion. There's nothing wrong with
the actual religion. There's people within it that have left
it and became theosophist. As we'll talk about like Alice Bailey,
she was a Eastern Orthodox Christian who became obviously who
she became. And then we have Alexander Dugan, right, and
we know that he's super into Crowley and he's also
an Eastern Orthodox Christian, and as we'll talk about, we'll
kind of talk about some of the ideologies. So I
think we got to just beware of some people that
operate within or call themselves that are also leading people
towards gnostic merging with Islam, this traditional kind of movement.
So we're going to get into what that is. I've
spoken a lot about that, like as far as named it,
but I haven't really defined it. I haven't laid out
the characters behind it. I've only talked about Dugan in
the last episode Putin's Brain and the fourth Political Theory.
Hopefully you guys had a chance to check that out.
That was the nice little deep dive into Dugan and
Professor Professor Jang who was on sneak oh, and we
talked about that and just kind of like the people
that follow Dugan that you don't really recognize, that are
kind of the forefront of the white hat movement in America.
So I think we got to beware, which is why
I'm hammering on this topic so hard, because I think
that there's a lot of people operating in this movement
that seem like they're the good guys. So we'll see
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They were getting into some of that Bannon Epstein action.
This is gonna be adjacent to that topic, so you're
already kind of primed up. This is a little bit
different as far as the topic goes a little but
you're pretty primed up for the most part. It's gonna
be a good time. So a little bit of change
of pace though, So I'm gonna start this off. Since
I talked about what was his name, well, I talked
about the orthodox aspect of this. I want to show
you Manly p Hall and what he said about two
Babylons by Alexander his lot. So somebody asked me in
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venmo whatever you want other than that on Patreon. Somebody
asked me about what I thought about the two Babylons.
I refer to this book kind of often because I
think it's pretty legit as far as the overall theory here.
There's been a lot of people that say that experts
say it's bullshit, but whatever, Manly P. Hall didn't think
it was bullshit. And I tend to listen to stuff
he read about or spoke about, because that guy knew
a lot. So let me see if I can find
it well for some there is. It's not showing it
on here, but I sent myself this link on my
email and so on my phone. Right here it says
Manly P. Hall referenced Alexander Hislops Two Babylons and his
lectures and his writings on contemporary religion. He said hislop work.
Hislop's work used symbols and traditions of modern Orthodox Christianity
to ancient mystery religions and pagan deities. So there's a
little bit of this pagan aspect to Orthodox Christianity. I'm
not saying the whole thing's bad. I'm saying that they
can utilize that the same way they do with Catholicism.
So I just want to point that out to people
about how that is with the two babylons, because I
think that there's a lot to it as far as
today with Alexander Dugan, and we'll get into that. So
before we get into this, I've got I'll leave this up.
It's just Dugan's Black Mass. I'm gonna talk from this
thing about Agrippa. If you're not familiar with Agrippa, he
had a lot to do with the Orthodox Christian Church
being formed, and this kind of lays out something called
the Order of the nine. And if you're familiar, I
believe Crowley had Order of the nine, not order of
the nine angles, but just order the nine in the
Satan Church. I believe the Church of Satan, or maybe
it was a temple set, but somebody was pretty popular
for talking about the Order of the nine as well.
Let me remember here, who was Satanic church? Left hand path? Hmm,
who was it? Whatever? I can't remember. There's a Satanic movement,
not the Order of the nine Angles that talked about
the order of the nine. What was it? Was that? Theosophy? Oh?
Maybe it was. I think it was the Order of
the nine with the UFO movement or something like that.
If I'm not mistaken, maybe that's what it was. I
was talking to Steven on Biblical Hitman and we talked
about this. That's where I'm getting it from. But all
I keep getting is order the nine angles, over and over.
That's so funny, probably because I'm leaving this here. Hmm.
All right, well another time. My apologies either way, order
the nine. Whenever I saw that, I'm like, dude, that
is order the nine angles. I mean, come on, so
order the nine. Heinrich Cornelius Agrippa is this guy that
had very deep ties with the ether Eastern Orthodox Church
and building it. His worldview was fundamentally Christian. So I'm
not saying Agrippa was like not a Christian. I'm not
arguing that at all. What I'm saying is what he
laid out was things that could be utilized by some
of these groups. And we'll get into that. So it's
work discussed astrology, angology, a little bit of sacred numbers,
planetary intelligences, and ceremonial magic. So again, this is what
I'm talking about. But he drew from Biblical angology, right.
So this is kind of like Catholicism where they do
exorcisms on people and they talk about black mass and
how that's an inversion of a good ceremonial mass. It's
just ceremonial magic, is what they're saying, right, So that's
kind of my point. You can draw some correlations with
this in these occult groups. So neoplatonism of course leads
into this hermeticism kabbala, but a grip of believe divine
reality flowed through hierarchical orders of creation. Now that's important
because that is the traditionalist movement. They want a hierarchical
priests class of people that are more spirtually developed to
run the world essentially, and we're going to get into that.
Steve Bannon believes that, Dugan believes that, so that gets
into this ideology. We're going to see how it all
merges together. Because when you look at Crowley by himself,
or Agrippa or Gwynan or any of these guys by themselves,
you're gonna be like, well, this ideology is opposite of this,
but they merge it together, like Dugan, he does a
good job at that. And we're going to lay that
out today. So the hierarchy resembles like older Christian mystical
cosmology more than like occult satanism. But it can be utilized.
So the nine orders idea comes from the Christian angology,
which is kind of a pseudo Dionysius kind of like
I said, Dionysius kind of the whole cult bases it
off of the angology that comes from Christianity. So this
is the inversion that we talk about. I believe, honestly
angology is a slippery slope into the occult. Some people
kind of think that's not the case. Some people think
I'm a blasphemer for saying that, But I think that
if you get too deep into anthology, you're gonna like
kind of lead yourself into a weird place. Not to
say it's evil, but for myself, I don't trust my
own discernment. I guess you could say, even though I
try to leave it up to God, I just don't
draw down that path. It's kind of equal to me
of looking at like synchronicities in my life and going like, oh, yeah,
you know, trying to follow my own like taro astrology.
These things to me kind of lead into the same thing.
But anyway, Catholicism, mysticism, Eastern Orthodox mysticism, Renaissant occultism is
kind of the the way it was influenced was through
this traditional angelic choir, the nine choirs of the Christian Church,
the Seraphim, Cherubim, the thrones, dominions, virtues, powers, principalities, archangels,
and angels. So these nine distributions of angology is the
structured influence for all the things that get utilized kind
of against us and manipulated, you know, through the occult.
So Orthodox Christianity rejects the occult practice. I'm not arguing
that it doesn't, but there's a lot of Renaissance ocultists
who borrowed Christian symbolism for their magic, divination, ritual invocations,
and so Orthodox theology really emphasizes this idea of like theosis,
a union with God which could again be manipulated. So
all these things to me just scream a little bit
like you're going a little too far there. But of
course they teach like sacramental life prayer not to say
any of that's bad. So modern or Order of the
nine Angle, you know, Order of the nine Angles obviously
is totally evil. The you know, Michael Aquino, a Satanic priest,
you could call him, influence this heavily, right. So Order
of the Nine Angles is not something that we would follow.
But Renee Gwennin who's a traditionalist and also was a
Orthodox Christian who turned into an Islamist later because they
believe that the Christian Church should merge Islam with them,
which is kind of what we see with the Catholic
Church recently. I think this is where it comes from,
this traditionalist movement. So this is a lot to lay
out here. Just bear with me. We're gonna get to
the good stuff in a minute. I just need to
lay out who these people are. So gwen in his
core ideas, he kind of argued this idea of a
sacred order, a mystical truth. He was into like initiatic traditions.
He also believed that modernity, like materialism, individuality, democracy, all
this stuff is kind of the foundation of the traditionalist
school of getting rid of those things. We got to
get rid of all that modernity terrible, anything modern bad.
But yeah, so traditionalism sees ancient religions as fragments of
the primordial truth. So primordial truth to them is an original,
sacred metaphysical truth, right, So kind of like the primordial knowledge.
Primordial knowledge is something in the occult where they say
you're just given knowledge, kind of like Jung says that
our brain is a receiver and if we tune it
to a certain place, we'll receive this knowledge. It's primordial knowledge.
So we looked at Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, and he kind
of looked them all as a different expression of the
same transcendent reality. And that's kind of what I'm getting at.
So this gets into the perennial philosophy, So it's all
different aspects of the same reality as always what these
occultists teach. So Gwennon sharply criticized modern occultism though, and
seance culture, so a lot of this Crawley kind of stuff.
He wasn't a big fan of that, but he thought
most Western occult groups were corrupted, of course, and distortions
of the authentic metaphysical traditions, very much like Alice Bailey
or Helena Bovatsky in that regard. But we're gonna get
into gwenn and later. Dude, he's not a great guy.
None of these guys are. So traditionalists became tied to
conservatism later. A lot of people think that traditionalism and
conservatism are the same. They're not, and that's something I've
had people ask me as well, like you got to
decide for the difference, and I will. So we have
people like Julia Savola, who will talk about later, who
talked about traditionalism being kind of just a critique of modernity.
That's what Dugan does today. He thinks that Western society
is modernity that's trying to homogenize the whole world to it,
and he thinks we have to stop it. So as
we'll talk about, he embraces Bolshevism and Nazism because those
are the two forces that stopped America from spreading out
and controlling the world right. So they're trying to revamp
that and we're seeing that come back, And that's kind
of what I'm leading into here, so bear with me.
The Orthodox Christian Church connection here, though, again, is that
there's a lot of things that could be manipulated with
the occult group, because the occult group just inverts all
the Christian teachings, which is why you know, you could
take Christianity and kind of manipulate people with it in
a certain regard. So Steve Bannon, we're gonna get to him.
He talks a lot about Vola and Renee Guinnen and Dugan.
I think he's been working with Dugan, as we'll talk
about in this War for Eternity. But there's a chain
of people that usually are pointed out with this movement here, Okay,
that we'll talk about a lot. Renee Wennen. He developed
the metaphysical critique of modernity, okay, a Vola radicalized parts
of it into a more political and aristocratic worldview to
where like people could just achieve higher status in the world,
not just metaphysical. Bannon is publicly referencing these two and
talking about Western decline, which is what they want traditionalism,
They want the Western to decline. This is part of
the accelerationist movement that we talked about a lot on
the show too. And so the accelerationist movement, of course,
they want to usher in and hurry up the destruction
of the democratic state that we live in, the you know,
democratic republic that we live in. So Bannon's themes often
include the collapse of traditional institutions, spiritual crisises in the West,
nationalism over globalism, which is important because they want isolated
nationalist nations rather than a global society. And don't get
me wrong, I agree with some of this stuff, like
I don't want a new world order, but at the
same time, I don't want what they're offering either, So
it's kind of like you get one or the other,
and neither of them are really great options, as we'll
get into. So Bannon obviously used this ideology to kind
of get Trump into where he's at. We're going to
talk about it. He was a big part of the
Cambridge Analytica data scandal. You guys are gonna love that.
He was a vice president at Cambridge Analytica, and we're
going to talk about all that in a minute. So
that had a lot to do with getting Trump to power,
kind of forcing this ahead. So Bannon's your attention because
of Ola. It's very controversial when it comes to the
fascist era because he worked very closely with Mussolini. So
there's an elitist, anti democratic idealism that he pushed through
that Bannon reflects, and of course this radical traditionalism that
we're going to be getting into here. So critics argue
that Bannon helped normalize parts of the worldview within this nationalist,
right wing populist movement that Trump has rallied and galvanized behind. Him.
So these supporters kind of counter that ban in references
of Oola, mostly for the critiques of consumerism, civilizational decline,
and spiritual emptiness. So they're saying, we just want people
to be better. But when you dig into their ideology,
they believe that certain people can't have higher spiritual inclinations.
In other words, like Alice Bailey, there's certain people that
are just doomed to be animals, certain people are just
doomed to be led to slaughter. So analysts sometimes associate
bands intellect orbit with the nationalist populist movement of Europe,
which we're going to get into. It's definitely what his
orbit is. So there's anti globalist networks that work with him,
like Alex Jones. They get you rallied up, they get
you thinking, yeah, man, I'm anti globalist too. I'm against
the New World Order, but then again, I'm also not
for this Nazi state that you guys want to put in.
So anyway people have to mention. Uh, obviously Dougan, we're
gonna get into him, Orbon we might talk about him
and certain Catholic integralist thinkers that also shared this ideology
as well. So Bannon, let's see here, Okay, Julius Avola,
he's kind of let me see here. Avola is kind
of this contemporary traditionalist kind of leads to this nationalist thinker.
So we'll talk about a Vola, what he does, and
then we'll get into this other stuff. So Avola argued
that society should be organized around transcendent principles, so mass democracy,
materialism and ego egalitarians is, and consumer culture have to go.
So we wrote a book called Revolt against the Modern World,
and he described history as a decline from this sacred
hierarchical order. Now again, I've been talking about this externalization
of the hierarchy, and I think this has a lot
to do with it. It's this hierarchical order of priest class.
That's where we're at again. We're getting back to the
priest class, back to the days of antiquity, the new Atlantis.
So it all leads into what we talk about here.
So it's a lot of names, it's a lot of information,
it's a lot of guys, but it's all going to
come together as one big picture here. So Ivola admired
aspects of this, like ancient and medieval spiritual traditions that
we had before Orthodox theologians would reject a lot of
evil as philosophy. Of course, so it's like, how is
Dougan merging all these together? We're going to uncover that. However,
people sometimes place a Vola in Orthodox critics of Modernity
in the same conversation because they both clip criticize relativism,
spiritual decline, materialism, modernity, and the loss of transcendence. So
Avola and Dugan, how do they come together? Dugan draws
from Gwennan a Vola, Orthodox Christianity, geopolitics, and something he
coined Eurasianism. Now, if I'm not mistaken, this is something
I've been kind of thinking about who came up with
the word Eurasianism because I keep seeing that Eurasia is
something that Dugan came up with. If that's the case,
then why did nineteen eighty four have Eurasia is one
of the three perpetual warring super states? So did Orwell
know Dugan? That's what I want to know. Did Orwell
know him? I'm sure he didn't, but like, how did
he know about Eurasianism. I'm sure there's no connection here,
but I'm just curious. You know, they're not connected but
rather direct opposition. Oh I guess that would make sense
because Orwell probably heard about his stuff and was like, yo,
fuck that guy. But yeah, I mean nineteen eighty four,
they come out with Eurasia and this guy's talking about
Eurasianism versus Atlantisism, which is what he calls America. I
think that's ironic because you pretty much get a choice
between a new world order with like New Atlantis or
this version of New Atlantis, which is isolated countries with
the hierarchical order that really just becomes Atlantis too. So
either way, you kind of end up in the same
boat here from what I can tell. So it's funny
you just mentioned Turkey and Ukraine still reserved, because we're
gonna be speaking a lot about Turkey and Ukraine later.
You're exactly right, Bud. I don't know if you're a
woman or a man, but you're my buddy tonight. So
thank you for that. Welcome. Welcome everybody, all right, So
let me get a little bit to this. So we've
also got one more like a little bit more so
Vernigga went in Gwennan was born in France. Okay, so
eighteen eighty six nineteen fifty one is when he lived.
He spent his early early years he was exploring a
lot of esoteric and occult organizations in Paris. He became
convinced that Western occult groups possessed only fragments of authentic
spiritual knowledge. And that's something that's said a lot like
Manly p Hall said that too. His life's work became
the defense of what he called the primordial tradition, the
belief that all authentic religions originate from a single divine source.
This is this is again that whole idea of that
pardon me, occult theocracy, New Atlantis. Let's go, what's up,
new kind, New Atlances his code for gay name. That's
exactly right, brother, that's funny anyway. So this is interesting though.
He wanted to keep this primordial tradition alive, this idea
that all religions have one truth within them that all
you know. It's again it's this occult theocracy. So a
lot of his work included criticisms of modernity, materialism. He
defended traditional civilization and this sacred hierarchy. Also, he had
a belief that humanity is in a dark age known
in Hinduism as the Cali Yuga. So this is something
that gets said a lot by people like Joe Rogan
and others that were in the Of course, the conspiracy
circles are super captured by this traditionalist movement and they
don't even know it, dude. It is crazy. They would
never call it the traditionalist movement, but they're in it, dude.
So it's this cycle of'ton this idea that the Yugas
cycle of time. We're in the Cali Yuga leaving it.
So we're in the dark age right now. So spiritual
true knowledge comes through initiation, according to Gwennan, and only
into legitimate traditions rather than personal opinion. So his most
influential books, we'll skip over those. In nineteen thirty gwen
And moved permanently to Cairo, Egypt. He inverted to Islam.
So that's the guy who was talking about earlier. And
so this is this idea of like orthodox Christianity converts
the Islam esoteric studying. He generally avoids political activism and
then of course died. But we have a Vola as well.
He was born in an aristocratic family to a Nepo baby.
Of course, he was deeply interested in politics, culture, and
the creation of spiritual elite capable of ruling a society.
And that's Steve Bannon's thing. He really thinks that we
need this spiritual elite that can rule society. Now that's
what Freemasons think. They think man's not fit to rule,
so we need people who are fit that have been
initiated to rule over us. Okay, So when this stuff
sounds good, just remember you don't get to be the
guy that gets to rule over everybody. Okay. So I
know Dugan stuff can sound okay. First, when you hear
about modernity and materialism, consumerism, they're terrible. I agree with that.
But the spiritual hierarchy thing is where I stray away
and say, nope, never mind, we're in a supremacist ubermensh
situation again. So, as a young man who we talk about,
Evola was involved with the avant garde art movements. He
turned to esotericism and Eastern philosophy, her meticism, traditionalism, and
he was heavily influenced by Gwennin Evola and wait a minute, yeah,
Evola developed a more militant an aristocratic interpretation of traditionalism,
so he emphasized it. So we have Gwen and who
kind of starts out this idea of like, look, we
need to get back to this spiritual hierarchy. A man
needs to be initiated into it so he can rule
and get rid of modernity and get back to this
perennial philosophy of all religions really are just one idea.
So then Evola takes it and goes, we need spiritual
self mastery, hierarchy and aristocracy, because I mean he comes
from aristocratic family, so of course he cares about that part. Right,
He had opposition to egalitarianism and modern democracy. The idea
of the differentiated man is something he came up with,
which it's the superman that upermens an individual who remains
spiritually sovereign no matter what. So Evola interacted with elements
of National Fascist Party and Italy and later became associated
with right wing intellectual circles. Now Italy. It's funny they
keep mentioning Italy. I believe that in Italy there was
a military guys doing the sighile recently. I want to
say that was like a couple of years ago. Here
it is Times of Israel. Italian Prime Minister shrugs off
video of youth wing members performing fascist salutes. So this
was real. I definitely saw it, and it was recently. Yeah,
here it is, Yeah, there it is. So this is
in Italy recently, right, So as we just remember that,
I'm showing you this because as we get into this,
you're going to see that Italy pops up a lot
with these characters like a Vola, and he and Dugan
kept it going by kind of pushing this Eurasianism and
staying connected with these people. In this book, War for Eternity,
I've been reading, it lays out the connection with all
these guys very well and how this has been building
up and Steve Bannon's kind of the arm of this
movement here in America and obviously New Epstein. I mean,
this is like so crazy, Like I think Epstein wanted
that Islamic veil because he's a part of this traditionalist
movement because as we read, the traditionalist movement wants Turkey
to leave NATO. Well, I watched on the show with
you guys, rabbi is talking about how Turkey needs to
leave NATO. So it's weird that the rabbis in Israel
all have the same ideology and the same motivations or
goals as Dougan and all these other people. So I'm
just saying, man pretty wild, all right. In nineteen forty five,
Ivola was injured during his artillery bombardment in Vienna. He
was paralyzed from the waist down, and he continued writing
for the rest of his life traditionalists and right wing
intellectual movements. He stayed pretty heavy in that. So Quentnin
kind of sought salvation through reconnecting with the authentic spiritual traditions,
and a volap sought the restoration of this aristocratic order
with the spiritual traditions, of course, only going to them.
So it's pretty terrible. So let's get it over here.
I got a lot of different notes here, so Crawley, Gwynan,
and Dugan. Like again, I keep saying this, These guys
are all so separate from each other, outwardly reject each other,
but yet they get brought together. So this is interesting.
Renig Wennon and Alexander Alistair Crowley, if you're fundamental mentally
opposed whenever you look at them on their face. So
Gwennon was one of the founders of traditionalism, of course,
argue that humanity as I said, is leaving the final
stages of cal Yuga, the modernism all that Gwenan specifically
criticized many occult movements. I mentioned that earlier he thinks
the American or the Western just doesn't have it, They
just don't got it. And so Crowley falls into this umbrella.
He represented a lot of those that Gwennan distrusted. They
were radically individual self deifying magic is a technology of
consciousness and Gwennin didn't like that. The do is THATU
will principle really didn't sit right with him. So from
a strict, strict Gwenonian perspective, probably would be seen as
part of the modern spiritual crisis rather than a solution
to it. But why does Dugan find value in both
of them? Well, pphasize contemplation and preservation. Gwennan emphasized contemplation
and preservation. A Vola emphasizes this active warrior aristocrat, and
Dugan follows a Vola's interpretation more than Gwennan's, which creates
a space for examining figures like Crowley not as spiritual authorities.
But is this example of powerful methods for transforming consciousness? There?
It is I'll remind you what I'm talking about here.
What am I talking about? Well, I'm talking about Dugan
and this chaos Star. Why did he choose the chaos
Star Because Crowley is a chaos magician. He understands how
to change the massive minds, how to manipulate minds. Dugan
likes that because if he wants the traditionalist movement to succeed,
he has to find a way to get people to
move in the direction he wants. Well, how do you
do that? You have to follow people like Crowley, people
that understand chaos magic. Enter Donald Trump right when we're
talking chaos magician, Dugan, Steve Bannon, this idea of movement
towards traditionalism. Trump is so outwardly Zionist that it's like
so obvious. You know, he's doing it on purpose. Why
why are they trying now designists? Like it's this accelerationist movement,
Like all the accelerationists are tied in with Trump almost
like they made a deal with the traditionalists. So we
got traditionalism and they see an opening and they go,
let's work with the dark enlightenment. Guys, even though we
don't really line up on the whole spiritual enlightenment. We
all have this idea of a aristocratic ruling over the others, right,
So there we go, lake titty Kaka. I've never seen
Crowley or Rogan in the same room either, and I'll
do you one better with that one. He hung out
in San Francisco a lot, you know what I mean.
We know the Satanic Church is heavy over there. So anyway, okay,
Gwennon rejected. Wait let me move past that. Oh I
lost my space. Hold on a second, I got too excited,
I got all hype. So the bridge between Gwennon and
Crowley is Evola. Now again, Dugan's using you know, Crowley stuff,
just for the whole chaos magic part, but otherwise he
wants to usher in the traditionalist movement. That's what's going
on here. If you didn't catch up there, Crowley did
die a long time ago. I was just saying that,
you know, Joe Rogan's definitely in the same circles as
the Satanic Church, you know, just with the San Francisco timeline.
The bridge between Gwennon and Crowley and even his friends
like his Buddi's e ings out with. But yeah, I'm saying,
like wouldn't it be if they found a way to Like,
I don't know what these Satanists do. Man, did they
re materialize the man's body? You know what I'm saying.
I don't know what they do. So Ivola was a traditionalist.
I keep saying that because I've gotten writted out here,
interested in magic, cor meticism, tantra and initiated practices. But
he was interested in that from the eastern point of view.
He worked a little bit with people like in the
Krawley and circles, but he didn't quite go for it.
He was more on the eastern point of view. So
Dugan inherits a lot of this approach with the transforming
out of this modernity into this you know, new new
traditional world. He looks at Gwenna for this metaphysical map
that he provides, and then he looks at Crawley for
the techniques of how to get there with the will
and transformation. The Vola provides kind of the synthesis of
everything together. So how do we build the actual aristocratic
system that's going to run everything? So I hope all
that shit makes sense. So the radical subject is maintaining
inner sovereignty, refusing complete absorption into modernity and then undergoing
a form of inner transformation. So they believe there's some
radical subjects living amongst us right now, even though we're
living in this terrible decay of modernity, there's certain people
that are meant to rule, and these people are radical
subjects who, no matter what, they reject, the ad like
to be honest, I would be considered I feel like
probably that. But they want to manipulate people like me
into this traditionalist movement that rejects everything outright. And as
we'll get into it, they treat women terrible, they treat
certain genders and racist terrible. As you can imagine, this
is not a good movement. It just sounds good until
you get into it. So a lot of critics, Actually, Gwynnon,
here's a quote from him. Truth descends from above. Crawley.
Of course, I will, like my will, do as thou
wilt discover in an act your own will. So if
you mix these together then you can kind of usher
in this accelerationist movement into traditionalism. Now I'm done with
all that. What is traditionalism? Let's get a little definition.
Work a definition, all right? Cool? So philosophical and cultural stance,
it prioritizes the preservation and continuation of established beliefs, customs,
and institutions, value societal continuity, and often operates on the
premise that historical practices, particularly are rooted in religious Yeah. Wow,
this sounds great. It sounds great. I mean when you
read it, holy shit. So traditionalism versus conservatism. Conservatism seeks
to conserve institutions. So it's really the opposite of traditionalism.
So traditionalism mostly just has a profound distrust of modernity altogether.
Strict traditionalists judged the present by the standards of the past.
So anyway, there's your difference with the conservatism and traditionalism,
because yeah, they're not the same at all. They're kind
of antithesis of each other. Let's see here. Oh, I
had some other tabs I almost forgot. Okay, before we
get into this book. Here War for Eternity. Let's look
at this guy here, So this guy Gerdachef Okay, George Gerdachev,
he's a big theosophist and he worked. Actually, I think
here we go, let me get back in here. So
let's look at how Mussolini and Hitler influenced Steve Bannon.
Gorda Cheff gets mentioned here, and that's kind of the
little connection with these guys. But so there's an Italian philosopher,
Julisa Volu. I've been talking about this whole time. I'm
done giving the background of the characters. Now let's get
into the meat of the matter. I just need you
guys to know, like what all this is that we're
about to talk about, because now we're just gonna hit
it hard. Let's go. So Evola his ideas became the
basis of the fascist racial theory. Gwennan developed an anti
modernism modernism philosophy called traditionalism. That's actually not true. Gwendon
started that, Yeah, Gwennon started that. Okay. Cool Green writes
about a. Vola and Gwennon in his new book Great.
So this is a conversation with these two. All right.
So Steve Bannon believes that this world is that Judeo
in particularly the Judeo Christian West, is in crisis, and
it's really the organizing principle of how we built Breitbart News. Okay,
so there's a part near whatever there. This This wasn't
what I thought, all right, So Gordachev, he connects with
all these guys as well. But he's a theosophist, and
so this theosophy. Theosophy kind of relates as well with
Dugan and everybody as well. So that's kind of what
I'm talking about with this externalization of the hierarchy, and
these guys keep pushing this hierarchical order. So I just
can't help but think that it's the same thing. Right,
So Gordachev and theosophists believe that a singular, ancient, universal
wisdom underlies all world religions. That's exactly why I just
said Gwennan or Evola believes. So you see how they
kind of mirror each other. We talk so much about
theosophy on the show. I want to show you how
traditionalism they're hiding behind Orthodox Christianity, but they mirror very
closely with this the theosophy and what they're trying to bring.
So I just want to show you that real quick.
It's pretty crazy. So I got this book here, it's
called War for Eternity. It's a pretty good book. I
haven't been able to get through the whole thing. Probably
gonna do a part two to it. We're not gonna
get it all in one go. I don't think we might,
but there's gonna be a little bit of reading, but
it's gonna be interesting. Dude. I've got a lot of
good spots highlighted. It is a good book. So I
got a lot of little notes as I always do
your boys analog. I like my notes, my paper. I'm
on it. So War for Eternity. This book starts off
with a meeting with Dugan and Bannon. Bannon's rise to power.
It's kind of seen as a successful revolt to modernity. Okay,
so we had the leftist pushing crazy liberal all this
crazy stuff on us, and the perfect kind of rubber
band snap back is this traditionalist movement. So this is
how Steve Bannon rises the power. Right. So Bannon is
this eschatological kind of person really if you think about it,
because he wants to usher in the end and that's
why everybody's always talking about the end times. So let's
see here, Bannon's handlers start to brief him on his
dinner plans. Dugan turns back down the stairs, moving towards
the hotel lobby and out of the dark rome night
where his car is waiting. So they had just met.
In truth, Jugan regards Bannon is more than simply different,
more in fact than a mere person. This American emerged
from a wasteland, a society forged in modernism, with no
connection to its soil or its history, to be Americans,
to be without tradition, which has made Bannon's rise all
the more spectacular, for they're among the ruin of modernity,
of materialism, the Midnight Kingdom, a sudden blast of light.
Russian sees Bannon's rise to power is the beginning of
a successful revolt against modern world. So Bannon would be
that radical agent that I just spoke about, that guy
that even in modernity, sees what people the traditionalists see.
So there we go. Right, he's a natural theosophist. But
if you look into Bandon, he was super into that
stuff his whole life, which is what this book gets into.
What about Tim Dillon and Steve Bannon. That's so funny
they believe Tell me about that tidy Coco. Whenever you
get a chance, unless you don't have anything else. But anyway,
So this was a crossover from left to right. We
saw with the Tech Brothers I mentioned before, where Trump's
coalition led by the traditionalists, merged with the dark Enlightenment
and accelerationists. Steve Bannon's traditionalist movement saw its success through that.
Now was Dougan the reason why Steve Bannon had the
idea to merge with these guys, Because if you look
at the last episode we did, we talk about Dugan
and how he name drops Nick Land, and Nick Land
is the Dark Enlightenment accelerationist guy, and he talks about accelerationism.
So I wonder if there was a crossover, some kind
of meeting that happened where Dugan goes to Bandon, Yo.
This traditionalist movement is like where you're heading. We're both
on the same like, we're on the same tip. With that,
I know how you can make this go further. Use
these Nick Land guys, or use these Dark Enlightenment guys,
even though it's an antithesis of what they say they
believe in. Clearly it's not right. Pretty odd, pretty odd.
Let me get the page ten here. You got a
lot of bookes mark pages here? What did I mark here?
So this perennial philosophy concept I keep talking about gets
mentioned here? Okay? So like the occurrence a similar physical
trait in separate species commonalities among different belief systems, testify
to a common ancestor, namely the original core of religion
and from any traditionalists. Interreligious agreements is most apparent among
the so called Indo European religions like Hinduisms or Astrianism
and the pre Christian pagan religious Europe. So we're talking
Orthodox Christianity. Now. Some believe the Catholicism also covertly preserved
pre Christian Indo European truths. This is the two Babylons,
Alexander his Lap. Guys, like, come on, it's right there.
Gwennin disagreed. Though I disagree with Gwennin. He thought that
the Sufi Islam had performed performed this task. If you
guys know as well as I do, the Jesuits formed that.
If I'm not mistaken, the modern form of Islam. So
unless he's talking about ancient Islam, oh, Sufi Islam, yeah,
that would be different. Never mind, But the Sufi Islam
is the one that's more pagan and mystical. So again
we're back to the mystical teachings. So he aspired to
live as a Muslim. Gwennin did, regarding investment in a
single living tradition of virtue. But though he avoided religious
syncretism in his own daily practice, his writings and those
of his followers sought to fuse the wisdom in various faiths,
So he didn't practice it himself. He's stuck with one thing,
but he thinks everybody else needs to merge these religions together. Right,
it's perennial philosophy. I love the what's good for the
goose is good for the gander, right, but not for them.
So let's get into the hierarchy. So what is the tradition?
What are the beliefs and values it channels? You'll settle
seldomly hear anyone offer details about this. Traditionalists often speak
in broad generalizations. Nonetheless, their thinkings tend to be framed
by a peculiar understanding of time and society. So even
if we think our own lives is having a beginning,
a middle, and an end, Traditionalists follow Hinduism in believing
that human history is cycled through four distinct ages, the
Gold and Silver, Bronze, and dark age. So the gold,
of course, is virtue, dark is depravity, and traditionalists offer
a view of history that is both fatalistic and pessimistic,
As time passes. The human condition in the universe are
large worsten until a cataclysmic moment that utmost a darkness
explodes into the So yeah, I mean this is like
most conspiracy theory. This is like day after Tomorrow. Like
we're all conditioned to think this way, don't you agree?
So it's funny the traditionalists have almost won, so traditionalism
from casual conservatism and skepticism towards change. Further, cyclically ascribes
in unusual importance to history. Our past is nothing to
overcome or escape. It is as well our future. So
thus far I haven't mentioned that traditionalism considers to be
good or bad what it is that makes the Golden
age or Dark age? To understand that we need to
shift our focus from time to people. Traditionalists, especially those
in the radical right, think that each age belongs to
a different type of people, a different caste. Now we're
to the root race. Talking about the root races. Now,
these casts are ordered in a hierarchy, descending from a
priest cast to the warrior, to merchants and slaves. Traditionalists
called the upper casts spiritually and lower lower. Oh yeah,
they call the upper class spiritual and the lower materialistic.
So you got the animal, and then you got the
up top, you got the spiritual hierarchy. Right, It's just
like freemasonry, dude. If you're not an initiate, you're an
a debt. If you're not initiate, you're a profane. I
cannot talk tonight. So merchants, on the other hand, value
goods or money, physical stuff, the more the better. Slaves
take that a step further by trafficking and the most
immediate and basic material they find body and bodily gratification.
That's what they think. So traditionalism social hierarchy opposes the
abstract and the concrete, the spiritual and quality and quantity
of the body. So it's very funny here. The Gold
age is the priestly era, the silver belongs to warriors,
the Bronze the merchants, and the dark ages the slaves.
So we are now in an age where the slaves
rule is what they believe. In each age, the cast
that dominates it dictates its vision of culture and politics
for the rest of society. That's what they believe. It's
pretty wild. So now we're into like full Hindu cast
system stuff, and it's like, I thought we're American, Like,
what are we doing here just saying it's pretty wild.
Let's see what I got here, page thirteen. Yeah, So
Ivola taught that the hierarchy itself was variable in this scheme.
So we talked about traditional societies like the Golden Age
and said that the underlying principle in such societies is
that there does not exist one simple, universal way of
living one's life, but there's many distinct spiritual ways to live.
You see that. What does Jesus say, I'm the one
the truth in the way, not according to them. There's
many spiritual ways to live according to them, So that's
not true if you ask these guys. So time, in
other words, levels humanity into a mass community back based
on its own lowest common denominator. So the hierarchy and
human differentiation can return only after the turning of the
Dark Age. So that's why we're accelerating the return of
the Golden Age by trying to rush this to its end.
And that's kind of just this New Age stuff just
permeates in so many different movements. It's crazy. It's like
the more you read about any particular movement, the more
you find that it's the same thing. It's been rebranded
So let's get over to page twenty one here, okay,
So Steve Bannon in every city, Steve Bannon knew his
way in the nearest metaphysical bookstore. He wasn't in an
incense crystals or new age stuff. He was looking for
serious stuff. Books on alternative spirituality something. He was looking
for guides on meditation and other times. Eastern religions. So
to Christianity today in America have anything to say about
the development of his soul, about summoning the mystical and
spiritual here and now? Not enough? He learned about transcendental
meditation during college and began reading about the major works
of Eastern religion like Taudi ching and hindu Veda texts.
Because Steve Bannon says he's a Christian, but then you
get deeper into it and here you go. So he
script by what he was discovering and found particular inspiration
in the methods of practices of spiritualism. Could it be
that there was truth to these non Christian teachings as well,
that his own Christianity was only one of the valid
paths to deeper enlightenment. He knew that it was heresy
to fuse fates that was called syncretism. He was also
not heretic. But what about the possibility that religion have
irreconcilable exterior forms, a common esoteric core could be possible?
Is what Steve Bannon started to think so shortly after
enlistening in the Navy that he found the cover he
needed to continue, and that was Zen Catholicism, a book
by English Benedictine monk dom Graham. So it argues that
the Buddhist meditation could be used to advance Christian faith,
even replenish elements of its ancient spirituality and historic emphasis
on practice. So that's wild for Steve. The message gave
him license to forge further, to admit, allowed to himself
that the Bible as a blueprint for life was incomplete,
and that a fuller spirituality, even in tradition of Christianity,
would require venturing beyond it. So check this out. Then
he got to all this Huxley's perennial philosophy. Now, the
perennial philosophy is the idea that all religions have one
truth within them. What's up, Ben, Welcome in, brother, Let's
look at the all this Huxley's perennial philosophy. Now, what
I find funny about that is that all this Huxley
is the guy who like talks about how we're going
to control people better. But then he's also the guy
that's like, you know, he's the guy to go to
about how to be spiritually fit. You know, the guy
that did drugs all the time. He was like always
on drugs. I have a book over here that's almost
the whole book was just him talking. I think it
was like a diary of what he did while he's
on DMT or something or mescaline the whole time. Oh,
the door is a perception. Let me show you this.
The door is a perception. He's just in a drug
stupor the whole time, and it's just a book about
him being on mescaline. But the same guy talks about
controlling the world and also about how all religions are
really one truth, a universe core truth of spiritual truth,
and he curates in his writings in this book their
ultimate purpose is achieving unitive knowledge of the divine ground
of all being, whatever that means. Right. Interesting, So, anyway,
Steve Bannon starts reading all this Huxley's book Perenial philosophy.
And then after that he of course gets into Evola
and Gwennin and starts to kind of find his own
in this new traditionalist movement. So I'll go over to
page twenty six. Here, got something else for you, all right,
So what isn't defined this corrupt mainstream society that these
people hate so bad? Was it capitalism, secularism, feminism, marxism, nationalism?
Could you find it in its most concentrated forms in
consumer society? Steve and the other spiritualists might have different answers,
differing answers to those questions, but their thinking was similar
if you zoomed out far enough. So this kind of
gets into that. So Steve pored over every book in
front of him, most of these are already owned, gets
into a bunch of books he has. His eyes went
onto the Secret Doctrine by Helena Bolovatski. So now we
have another book that Steve Bannon has, the Helena Blovatski
Secret Doctrine. So I mean, this guy's full theosophist bro
So this whole traditionalist movement again, I just want to
keep showing you how why is he reading all these
books and like in love with this idea of theosophy.
If he's also a traditionalist, if this is all based
in Christianity, it's clearly not so. Anyway, he opened up
this book and started surveying the page. As Buddhism appeared
a lot, and so did hindu He turned ahead and
continued to read, and out there was a common Aryan
religion before the separation of the area race. This is
what did it for Steve. Arians. Just then, Steve heard
a crash of unident unidentifiable sounds. The storekeeper appeared around
the corner, checking to see what had fallen and broken,
and Steve gave me an apologetic look. I guess he
knocked down some books. Steve focus returned to the book
in his hand, and he flipped through the book. It
said it was the master work of Theosophy, containing truths
revealing the revealed by the author from a spiritual master
living in Tibet. He heard Theosophy before and thought it
was basically the same New Age movement, this syncretistic stuff,
in other words, the merging of religions. He didn't recognize
many of the titles, so it gets into Renee Gwennen.
So he picked up this book. Sorry, I'm like losing
where I was. Here, hold on, let me find this. Okay,
here we go. Yeah, so this was all I was
getting to. Renee Gwennon and theosophy. He starts merging it
together because Gwennan gets into this this hierarchical spirit, you know,
where you've got to be above other people spiritually, and
other people are animals if they don't master their own soul.
And this is how he starts mixing the Aryan ethno
supremacy traditionalist values with this theosophy. All right, so let
me get to page thirty three. That's where good shit is.
So Renee Gwennon a follower of gorda chef that has
showed you earlier who was an Armenian mystic, and Steve
calls a traditionalist though most wouldn't. So here again, I'm
showing you. Sorry, I'm bouncing around a little bit, but
I'm trying to show you how he's merging together theosophy
with traditionalism. So I've showed you he was reading Secret Doctrine,
he was reading the Perennial Philosophy. He then went and
read Gwennon's book. Now Gwennan has somebody he follows named Gordachev,
who was a theosophist, and I showed you that earlier,
and Steve calls him a mystic. I mean, that's just insane.
So anyway, this guy was born on an unknown date
in Caucus. Gordachev was an Orthodox Christian nominally okay, So
again we have a theosophist who is an Orthodox Christian
who Steve's calling a traditionalist. He wasn't especially political. Gordachef
concentrated on developing a routine of practices aimed at awakening
deeper levels of consciousness. He's just a new age guy
Luciferian doctrine. His teachers never bled into radical right wing
politics in the way that Devola's did, but proved instead
more enticing to high status professionals and philosopher types. They
attracted people like Needleman, who spent most of his weeks
together pursuing Gordachev's teachings and following Gordachev's method. It was
called the Work, you know, like the Great Work. So
there's a lot of Sufi relation here. Bannon wasn't interested
in joining any group. Part of what he liked was
that some of these teachings was that their emphasis on
one's ability to transform internally. So he likes this idea
that he can just kind of shop around with all
these spiritualities and find his own version of enlightenment. Right,
I mean, that's kind of the whole deal. So we're
going to get to the Cambridge Analytica scandal in a minute.
Here that comes up later's see here, page thirty five.
All right, so all right, so yeah, we've got in
twenty fourteen, here we go. Okay. In twenty fourteen, Steve
was a little known figure of a CEO of right
wing media company called Breitbart. He had recently signed on
as a vice president of Cambridge Analytica. He was speaking
for the Cambridge Analytica for the Conservative Party in a
conference for the Vatican City. All right, so this guy,
I just wanted to say that so you could know
this dude's on the Cambridge Analytica board whenever this whole
data scandal goes on with Meta, right, And so it
explains later how with this traditionalist movement, he was actually
doing data collection to figure out how they could see
how the voters tick and get them to vote for Trump.
And so we're going to get into that in a minute. Dude,
But it's crazy. So he says, here, we the Jujeo
Christian West really have to look at what he's talking
about as far as traditionalism goes, particularly the sense of
where it supports the underpinnings of nationalism. And I happen
to think that the individual sovereignty of a country is
a good thing and strong thing. Isn't that crazy? So
this is him defending Putin. It's pretty wild, dude. So
early traditionalism was described by Ifola as having been a
forerunner to fascism, and while that is true that Julius
Evola served in Mussolini's government, Ivola could hardly have been
described as one of the of its ideological inspirations. Steve
knew a bit about the past, but not much. It
was not only a slightly inaccurate but also seeming the
unflattering account of traditionalism. But whenever you look it up,
he did work pretty hard with the Mussolini and everything.
So that ideology definitely permeated fascism a lot. So let's
talk about Alexander Dugan a little bit more. Okay, so
this is some good shit that I had, let me
find it here. Yeah, this is some good stuff that
I had I was reading today about Alexander Dugan that
we didn't get to in the last episode. So page
forty two. All right, so Dugan created something called Now
this is some crazy shit. Let me make sure to
get to the right spot here. Okay, Yeah, so Dugan
wanted to Sorry, the conflict in the Mountains wasn't one
between a state and rested minority group, but rather between
Russia and the West, between Eurasia and the Atlantic, between
tradition and modernity. We're speaking about this operate, this NATO
situation in two thousand and eight with George W. Bush
and his issue with Putin. Dugan was Putin's brain. He
ended up working with Putin whenever he took office. And
so anyway, so there's something called the Yuzinsky Circle. The
name referred to the barrack apartments of the Central Moscow
where this gang started. It was an all male gang
and it was a repository of things objected by polite society.
Their interests were fascism, Nazism, nationalism, occultism, and mysticism. So
this collection of interest wasn't random. The group was anti
Soviet and they emphasized and they sympathized with Nazis not
necessarily out of love for Hitler, but rather because it
was a colorful historic foe to their government. So these
people didn't like their government. And Dugan would later tell
me the Communist Party owned all of us. It owned
the mind, spirit, and emotion and body. Everything was under
the control of the Communists except for one, the innermost part.
And so as the years went by, the circle grew
even more gnarled. By nineteen eighty it was it was COUD,
and its rituals included not only alchemy, drugs, and seances,
in addition to multi day drinking binges, also sexual experimentation,
so pretty wild. So later on they were doing sighiles.
So this is a group Dugan's messing with. Okay, one
of the group's leaders, a man named Vladimir Steppinov, had
become a renowned instructor in the school of the work
related to Gordachev. Now you see how it's all coming together.
So these guys, this gang in Russia, they followed this
guy Gordachev, who's a theosophist, who also gets followed by
Gwennin and his teachers, as mentioned earlier, emphasized enhancing human
consciousness Steppanov was also a follower of Gwennan and of
an obscure French mystic that Dugan had never heard of
named Gwennin. Okay cool Alexander Dugan absorbed these influences with
bracing fervor. So he absorbed all of it. Gordachev, Gwennin,
and of course this Yuzinsky circle that was really into
Nazism and everything, and he mixes it all together. I mean,
this guy's crazy. He's still alive, so I gotta watch it.
Messing with a KGB, as it says right here. The
KGB apprehended him for anti government activity activities, but he
was released right after. So anyway, Dugan was found. He
had found his ideological and spiritual home. He was a traditionalist,
and he was convinced further that the writings of Gwynan
and Vola could be used to help Russia at this
critical juncture in history. By nineteen ninety, as the Soviet
Union was coming undone, its elite was anxious to imagine alternatives,
so Dugan fancied himself apt to participate. He not only
read and translated material, but began to write and published
one of his notable Initiatives was a press journal that
he made where he talks about the northern land and
referenced this myth of the Arctic origins of the Aryans.
So this resurgence of the Aryan kind of Nazi race.
Shit again. So that's why this is coming back, That's
why this anti Zionist movement is pushing. So like, why
do we know about all design has problems in America?
I think they're all working together. But I'm just saying.
He wrote essays promoting of Vola's beliefs that political states
ought to be steered by a spiritual elite, to reinvigorate
the Russian Orthodox Church and to treat it as their
heir to the Greek Byzantine legacy. Do you hear that? Guys? Now?
Do you hear that? Do you understand why I'm hitting
on the Orthodox Church so hard when it comes to
this movement. He promoted a Vola's belief that political states
ought to be steered by a spiritual elite, and similarly,
it was time to reinvigorate the Russian Orthodox Church and
to treat it as the heir to the Greek Byzantine legacy.
The fuse Kingdom of Heaven and Earth, where priests were
political leaders and the vice versa. Do you hear this, guys?
It was the germ of an idea that Dugan would
develop and elaborate on for years to come. This is
the Orthodox Christian like. How it fits into this is
because they want to merge the priests class. The Kingdom
of Heaven and the Kingdom of Earth have to rule together,
the externalization of the hierarchy. Just like Alice Bailey talks about,
crazy Alexander Dugan thought he could make could help make
this a reality. The government take in Russian Russia taking
over this area. Hold on, I'm just skipping past here. Okay.
The United States and its political models no longer had
a distinct and worthy adversary. Many Russian intellectuals and politicians
saw integration into global capitalistic system as an obvious next step.
But Dugan had with the modern West a little bit
more contact and began to sympathize with the Soviet state. Okay,
so he hated the Soviet State. Now he starts to
sympathize with him because he hates America more. Listen to this, guys,
this is interesting. So in nineteen ninety three, Dugan formalized
this agenda with the creation of an organization called the
National Bolshevik Party. So he literally started something called the
National Bolshevik Party. Why would he call it that, Well,
it was a tribute to Nazism and communism, the German
and Russian movements from World War Two. They served as
counterweights to the American expansion, and this is why he
chose that. So that's why their flag was red, white, black,
just like the Nazi flag. So Dugan enjoyed the innovation
and energy of the political margins, but he wasn't very
good at it, and so it didn't get very far.
But in nineteen ninety seven, well, he got back into
the Yakuzi circle a little bit more, and surprisingly it
led him into the orbit of the Red Army. And
there was a lot of occultists in the Red Army,
and that gave Dugen a channel to communicate more intellectually
adventurous comrades. So this prompted Dugan to vary his style
and also led to new publishing opportunities. In nineteen ninety
seven he came out with the book that Professor Jang loves,
and that's the fourth I'm sorry, The Foundations of geopolitics,
and this is where he outlines this idea of Russia
regaining prominence in international relations and then lessening the West
in European allies how much control they have. He put
it at as a conflict between Atlantic and Eurasia, between
societies whose coastal geographical positions made them cosmopolitan and landlocked
societies oriented towards preservation and cohesion. So he's saying, look,
you know, you guys in the West, you don't have
anybody around you that you know bothers, you like, we
need to kind of isolate ourselves because otherwise we'll just
be one major you know, land ran with one culture
and we want to maintain that. But America, you know,
we're empirical. Dude. I don't blame him for that part.
We are very empirical. I don't think we need to.
I think we could stand to be more isolationist. Just
saying traditionalism and mysticism were driving Dugan's thinking, but he
restrained his instinct to enunciate that in this book. He
instead kept it dry and just about geopolitics. But we know,
I mean, we'll get into it more. I mean this guy, yeah,
super well, super deeficultist, hold on a second, let me
see forty eight next page. Year. So by the time
the founding of the Eurasian Party, the Kremlin had already
been releasing foreign policy guidelines using Dugan's peculiar terms and concepts,
like a call for a multipolar world order. I could
show you Tucker Carlson saying that opposite American un unipolarity
in geopolitics. Over time, journalists noticed that Putin seemed to
be echoing expressions that Dugan was using in media broadcasts.
So this is, of course why we call him Putin's brain.
So symbiotic relationship between Dugan and Russians government was emerging.
Dugan's commentary was influenced in the government, and in turn,
the government was increasing his media exposure. So Dougan was
soon to become a feature personality on state television, so
they put him on TV. One covert move got out,
according to the US intelligence In two thousand and four,
Putin put himself sent Dugan to Turkey in anticipation of
his own official state visit, in hopes that Turkey would
remove itself from the eight NATO allies. Now that's what
I just spoke about, Indigo. Why do the Rabbis want
the same thing as Dugan. If there are separate right,
So the Rabbis want Turkey to leave NATO, so does Dugan.
So we're supposed to believe that this anti Zionist movement
that's led by the traditionalists is real. They actually hate
the Zionists, but they're working towards the same goals. Guys,
I'm saying that the traditionalist and the Zionists they're working
towards the same goals. But the Traditionalists are the ones
outing the Zionists in America. This is what I'm like
trying to get to, Like, I need people to understand
that because people are being had, it's just insane and
all right, So Dugan the individual began moving through halls
of power across the anti liberal world. The Eurasian Party
floundered and elections, and then as it kept going, Russia
needed to reassert its presence in this place, and some
Eurasianists were willing to take up arms. And so this
is how the Ukraine War kind of got started, because
they need Ukraine as part of this thing. So it
gets into that a little bit. And we're going to
skip past to page fifty six here because this is
where it gets interesting, Okay. So Bannon allegedly promoted nationalism
to strengthen the sovereignty of individual nation states, thereby ensuring
the nation's continued vitality and of this culturally intact Judeo
Christian West. Dougan believed that a Europe fractured into a
smaller units would also disperse and weaken the power emanating
from the United States and perhaps allow Russia to reign
a culture and political presence in those territories. So each
man targeted a different contingent of Europe's far right. With
Bannon's incursion from the West focusing on moderate parties and causes,
Dugan extended his reach further into the right, farther right
radical wing, and to political actors who not only resented
multiculturalism and feminism, but rejected democracy as a whole, and
they could be persuaded to realign their countries away from
liberal West and towards a traditional East. So a far
right party immobilized to promote ethnic Hungarians, and they didn't
hesitate to say who their enemies were. The threat on
the streets came allegedly from Roma, the threats from above,
a non governmental organization and financial political meddling came from Jews.
So this whole thing. No, Alwa's pointing out that the
whole anti Jewish movement and anti Zionist movement comes from
the same group. And that's what I just got into.
Is it's real. But also it's not because this anti
Zionist movement will lead to anti Jewish and that's where
it's going. But they start with the Zionists and lead
you there. I'm saying, yes, we have a Zionist problem
because it's all part of the same elite group of
people working together. But anyway, yeah, man, it's gonna lead
to another Nazi crazy movement here, That's what I think.
But maybe not, I hope not. So traditionalist advisor himself
a spiritual advisor. Hold On Bona had been party leader
for four years. He hired a traditionalist advisor for himself,
a spiritual advisor. They both agreed, but you can't use
a label like that in Hungarian politics. So they got
into Hungary. That's what that was all about. And Turkey.
So Hungary and Turkey. Oh this is funny here. So
I did not come to Turkey to build diplomatic and
economic relationships. This is the Vona guy, he goes to Turkey,
he said, the international Muslim press and attendants couldn't believe it,
and the so called right wing extremists from Europe were
in shock as he said that Turkey and Hungary are
founded and shared blood and by this outright reverence for
Islam's distinct role in the world. He said with bravado,
Islam is the last hope of humanity in the darkness
of globalism and liberalism. So this guy goes over to
Turkey and goes, Islam is gonna. So they're merging the
Christian and Islam movement, the whole Orthodox Christian movement with
Islam because Russians and so again, when you look at
Russia backing Iran, there you go, that's why they're doing that.
Why would Russia back Iran. Well, it's not just about
geopolitical help. It's also Dugan. Dugan has a lot to
do with this, because somebody said this in the chat,
like there's a lot of people that claim that Arians
are actually from Iran. Well, this gets all into this
whole movement here. They want the Aryan race back, So
they're pushing that ideology of the Arians being from here
or there to merge them together. It's pretty genius actually
if you think about it. But it's like, doesn't it
get old. They've been doing this for a hundred years,
I mean, the Nazis and shit like this Arian race shit,
it just gets old. So let's get the page sixty here.
Steve Bannon, let's talk about him, And because we know
that he was working with Dugan to push this, I'll
go ahead and push it a little further just to
make sure that that's apparent here. Okay. So the key
ideological di vibe was between the far right and extreme
right in Hungary, so that that showed how crazy it
was there. As for Hungary's Prime minister, he would eventually
find a different traditionalist collaborator from the West. So Hungary
used Steve Bannon as their new traditionalist collaborator. Okay, So
Hungary goes to Turkey, they're like doing this whole thing
with Dugan. So like we know that they're all moving
and shaking together. So after this, Bannon had become ahead
of Breitbart in twenty twelve, and by twenty fourteen, he
and the news site were in the process of expanding
Dugan's efforts. Trafficked in lecturing and in interpersonal networking. Bannon
sought to promote European nationalism through sophisticated media campaigning and
he found both a method and a cause to apply
it to it. So he got the backing from Robert
and Rebecca Mercer, and he reached out to a data
mining and behavioral science conglomerate called Cambridge Analytica. He had
an infusion of twenty million dollars to create a US
Link subsidiary called Cambridge Analytica. There were various political interests
writing on the moneyed coattails of the Mercers. Wow. So anyway,
Steve Bannon and representatives from the British Nationalist Party worked
to break the UK off from the European Union. Steve
was eager to see all these forces work together. The
company launched in twenty fourteen after the Hungary's elections. They
developed techniques to harvest a startling amount of data about
hundreds of thousands of private people. Their initial targets were
Americans and they use Facebook and Census data to learn
about individuals, voters, financial status, and political tendencies. So with
that information, they began to classify voter profiles and test
methods of motivating and demotivating people from participating in the elections.
So this is where we get that huge Cambridge Analytica scandal.
Crazy dude. So the type of activism being supported by
Cambridge Analytica was an enhanced innovative form of something referred
to in the far right circles as metapolitics. The strategy
was campaigning not through politics, but through culture, arts, entertainment, intellectualism,
like the Dark Enlightenment, like all the influencers, religion and education.
Those are the places where our values are formed, not
in the voting booth. If you succeed in altering a
society's culture, then you will have created a political opportunity
for yourself. And that's exactly where we're at today. They've
created their own political opportunity. Metapolitics held special appeal to
far right actors striving for power in the First World War,
the sentiment of the age. According to traditionalists, the common
sense understanding held by most far right politics need not
even be considered a public debate. But to address this
impast metapolitical campaigns have taken two forms. Either activists seek
to inject their message seamlessly into existing culture channels, or
they create alternative channels of their own to compete with
the mainstream. Did you hear that that's the alternative media, right.
They aim to create alternative channels of their own, their
own messaging to compete with the mainstream. So this is
the difference between editing Wikipedia articles as opposed to creating
an alternative online encyclopedia. So Tucker Carlson he leaves Fox
News and he makes Tucker Carlson Network. Right, you have
Joe Rogan, He's you know, not working for anybody. He
goes and works for himself and he just works by himself.
So I think it's very interesting once you really get
into this, I think it gets pretty obvious where we're going.
Now there's a lot more to kind of get into
as kind of stumbley. I really apologize if it was
stumbling for you guys. Uh, yes, I thought I was
really ready. But the problem is I underline a lot
of these books whenever I'm doing my research, but I
couldn't underline this one because it's from the library, so
it gets harder to find the spot in the page.
So I apologize, but pretty much so just to recap
some of what we've went over so far, we have
gwennan Avola and their ideologies and how they get merged
together through people like Dugan, and then Dugan meets Bannon
and starts working with him through different people like Hungary, Turkey,
and they're all working together pushing this traditionalist movement in
different countries. In America we've got our own form of it,
and then every other country. That's why you have like
Japan first, Ireland first, America first. These are the same movements.
It's the traditionalist nationalist movement. Does it make sense? So
now we live in a world where this movement is
coming and it's pushing us towards a place. Nobody else
is talking about this traditionalist movement, and I think that
it's super important. It's probably the most pertinent thing going
on right now because it explains where this shit's coming
from as far as these ideologies and where it's heading.
These white hats are not what we think they are.
So this is something called Dugan's black Mass. Okay. I
want to show this to you just to give you
an idea of Like, go read Dugan's stuff. You know
it sounds great, but I want you to get an
idea of what he's really like. As well, so this
person went to one of his seminars. I remember accidentally
attending a lecture by Dugan on angelic entities in the
late nineties. It was an absolute unbearable exercise and transcendental
sophistic sophistry, dealing mainly with the image of Lucifer and
featuring extensive quotations from Alistair Crowley. There were about twenty
people of inter indeterminate age. I thought at the time
that perhaps they too were falling angelic entities who had
come to listen to a lecture about themselves. That's hilarious,
I ran into Dugan later. He dearly loved English apocalyptic
folk music for its commitment to Nazi Satanism. His daughter
Daria apparently did two. In an interview, Dugan said to Coil,
before Eurasianism gained popularity, we wanted to drag Coil to
Russia and put them up to our places in order
to promote our ideas with their assistance. Unfortunately, the authorities
chose Gerard de Pardeio, deciding that Coil were too marginal.
I don't know what coil is. I guess we'd have
to look up what coil is. What is coil is
it a Russian movement? I'm confused Coil and Russian connection?
What is this? Okay? What's connection between Russian and coil?
What is coil? Have you guys heard of coil? Am
I crazy? Do I not know what this is? I've
never heard of this in my life anyway, Maybe they
are talking about a band or something. Who knows? All right? So, yeah,
that guy's super into Crawley, right, Like I said. So
we've also got I say this as well, Crowley and Avola.
So another guy that Dugan talks about is Avola. Well,
Crowley and Avola have similar stuff going on here. Let
me get down to that. Evola and Crawley the absolute
individual inventing God and saving the world. All right, So
these ideas easily can be associated with the twentieth century
philosopher and esotericist Julius Avola's conceptualizations that of the absolute individual.
For Avola, individuals invent the ultimate God within themselves into
becoming what he called the absolute individual, the individual who
has reached the least constraint point of liberty and power
person essentially attains the status of godhood. There we go.
This absolute individuality naturally exists in a state beyond rational description,
the greatness they have attained, all right. So furthermore, becoming
the absolute individual entails realizing a state of immortality, a
condition in which one is essentially in control of everything.
So this is the type of shit that these guys,
you know what I mean. The body of the absolute
individual is the universe. This being exists independently of external forces,
and by inventing God within it himself, provides the one
way to prove God exists. You see that you can
only prove God exists if you become God yourself, I mean,
my God. Guys. You see why it took so long
to kind of talk about these guys and lay out
like their ideologies because I almost want to, because when
you read it by yourself, one could almost be convinced
of their ideologies. But then you look deeper, and I mean,
look at this man. You can't prove God unless you
become God. So the ego must understand that everything that
seems to have a reality independent of it is nothing
but an illusion. Hmmm, where have I heard that before? Well,
the Order of the Nine Angles. I talked about this
the other day on the show. Nick Land talks about
how a schizophrenic is the closest to the new Man
because the ego has already died. So this ego death
movement is very close to this as well. So Avola
was a key member an Italian magician working group which
aimed to realize magical power. He called his personal brand
of magic or esoteric philosophy magical idealism. All right, So
for Crowley, the goal of the person is to discover
and accomplish their true will. What is it essentially the
greatest possible expression of their potential as well as they're
both their purpose in life and their will drives their actions. YadA, YadA, Okay, okay.
So yeah, it's just his idea, you become God. I mean,
it's crazy. So Crowley, like Evola, makes some mention of
the idea of saving the world through the process of
spiritual attainment. Crazy. So they want to save the world
by establishing a spiritual hierarchy over us because we're destroying
the world, guys, So they want to save it even
though they run the world. Right, So Avola talked about
a warrior magician it's a youngie and psychologist Robert Moore
talked about this as well, which I think is funny
because now you have Carl Jume being connected to this
Evola movement. So the warrior magician, or two of our
four primary archetypes of the mature masculin sight, Ivola does
not belong to the psychological framework. It may remind you
of the Italian esoteric philosopher Nicholas Avola, because he's talked
about the philosopher and magician. Yeah, but I thought he
talked about the king. Okay, whatever, Oops, my bad. So
we got Dugan in Krawley. We've talked a lot about
that already, but I will just say one more time,
like Dugan has utilized Crowley's ideas to shape his own
a lot. The Age of Chaos, right, Dugan has quoted
Crowley directly to frame his geopolitical and esoteric writings. He
prophesied the arriving of a cruel, paradoxical new era. He
interpreted Crowley's Age of the Crown Child as an age
of cosmic rampage of the superhuman that will cross Western liberalism.
I think we're gonna read about that next. I think
that's going to be the next part to this. It's
going to be the Age of the Crown Child. By
Alexander Dugan, and we're gonna because I think that's where
we are today, at least they're trying to make it
be that way because they want to destroy Western liberalism.
Not that I not that I love liberalism, but I
think it's been weaponized against us for this exact purpose. Guys,
that's kind of what I'm saying. So he loves that shit.
So Dugan's lectures in the nineties UH drew on Crowley's
teachings to explore apocalyptic themes looseferience, symbolism, chaotic destruction of
the modern world, and critics often attributed Dugan's desire for
purgatory apocalypse to the deep oficult Kralean influences crazy. So
Dugan Dugan nick Land quote, I forgot what he said
about him. Here we go, Dugan, praise the acceleration is
Nick Land? Here? Isn't Nick Land? We traditionalists should create
someone like him. He illustrates excellently the End Time. So
if you want to know more about what they think
about the end Time, you look at Nick Land, which is,
by the way, what we go into all the time
on this show. Anti humanistic, techno capitalism is what Nick
Land wants, which is the opposite of traditionalism, but yet
he pushes it. Guys. I mean, come on, how does
that make any sense? So insane? Dude, still reserved? You
make videos, boss, Send me a video. Hop on discord.
Check out the discord. We got the link in the chat.
Scott made it. What's up, bro? This is my fifth
live stream ever. I'm glad you made it. Brother. Hell yeah,
what's Daniel talking about? Ego? Death only happens from meditation
and opening up the crown chakra. It is said to
release the serpent. That is what they say. Yes, and Daniel,
you're right because they also say that if you do
it without properly getting yourself ready, then you actually would
experience psychosis, right, what people call psychosis. You'll go crazy,
demonic possession because you're not supposed to be messing with that.
I mean, I guess there's some perfect way to enlighten it,
but let's be honest here. Most people that are enlightened
are psychos. I mean, they're crazy, like, they don't make sense, right,
That's why they say the skizo is the enlightened man,
or at least the closest to it that we have
in our current current society today. Welcome to Nursia. How
you doing? How are we doing? Takes a picture of it,
put it in the discord. Yes, they're do it. Well,
we got Daniel hell yeah, Well brothers and sisters. I
hope you guys enjoyed that shit. I mean, here's the thing,
this was just kind of of a little little dose.
We're not done yet because I think there's a lot
of aspects of this and I haven't finished this book yet.
But as we could see, Avola, gwen In Crowley, Dugan
Bannon have an ideology that has been merged together and
they're pushing it forward through this anti Zionist movement. People
like Candice, people like Tucker. You know, there are white hats.
They're trying to show us all the problems and show
us the corruption with America and imperialism and all the
things we've been doing. And I'm not against. I'm not.
The problem is with me, guys. And this is why
I want to talk about this so much, is I'm
almost convinced of the stuff they say, and I know
that they're coming from this angle. So imagine other people
who don't look at it the way like as deep
as we do or I do. They're not going to
see that angle. They're just gonna hear, yes, I'm against
table pharmaceuticals, I'm against Zionism, I'm against you know, all
these things. But little do they know that the Shreud
additionalist movement, if it takes power, it's going to just
completely turn them into slaves. And that's the part I'm like, dude,
we're better off how it is now than heading down
that road. That's just my thoughts. But what do I know.
You know, I'm just a guy that talks about shit.
Really just talks about you know what I'm saying, just talking,
not really I do a lot of research. Okay, so
check this out. So I got a couple of things
that has been on my mind today a little bit.
We'll be talking about this more on the Prometheus Report.
Speaking of that, if you guys haven't yet, go follow
Prometheus Report. Your boy is gonna be co hosting that
every Friday. We'll be talking about current events. Every week.
We will be getting into all the latest and greatest
topics and yeah, we have a good time. It's a
little bit different vibe than this show. Of course, this
is more of a deep dive on information, and it
could be hard to really listen to and you may
have to listen to it more than once to get
it all. But we try to give you stuff that
other people don't, and that's context to topics instead of
just going over topics like brushing over it, letting the
listener go look it up later. I like to. I mean,
it takes a long time, but I like to break
it all down. So we're gonna get more into this
war for eternity. But it all gets into this new
Atlantis externalization of the hierarchy, all these things we talk
about on the show. It culminates together with this traditionalist movement.
So you Spa and Andrew, we'll all be in digital
surveillance state. Yes, sir, we're already in it. Yeah, and
Aft throw that link in the chat for Prometheus Report.
Everybody go follow that. On Fridays, we'll be doing that
and otherwise, thank you so much. We'll probably probably trying
to think when I'll do it live next it's Monday.
I'll be going live Friday and we'll be talking guys.
I'm gonna be getting into the Zodiac movie with William
Ramsey and we're gonna break down some crazy Easter eggs
in that movie. It is crazy. I recommend all of
you go watch The Zodiac. It's the movie with Jake
Chillenhall and Robert Downey. Highly recommend you go watch it
because because it's got a lot of Easter eggs that
I'm gonna go over with William on Tuesday, Tuesday the second,
so I'll see you guys there for that. Other than that, man, dude,
it's been a long day for me. I hope you
guys had a great Memorial Day. We got the Prometheus
report link in the chat. Check that out. Thank you. Guys.
Don't fall for the traditionalist movement. Beware of these people
that are telling you everything you want to hear or outing,
you know, outing corruption because it may not be what
it seems. Keno and the Zodiac. What about Kenneth Anger?
Just saying I don't know, uh, you know? How about this?
You guys go watch that and you see if you
see what I say. I want you guys to see
what I see. Kenneth Anger is featured in that movie.
Can you see where he is? That's a quiz, A's
some homework and we'll see if you guys catch it.
On Tuesday next week. Thank you guys much, love everybody. Yeah,
Docs channel is also in the chat. Thanks for bearing
with me on this. This was this was a hard
topic to cover. I'm not gonna lie here, I don't.
I'm not super happy with this episode. Uh you know.
I mean, I got the information out, but there's just
more to get into. Gwenn and Avola all that we check,
check that box. But I think there's more to get
into regarding the way Do getting Bannon and all this
kind of culminates together. So we'll cover that next time.
We'll probably cover that in that book I mentioned as well. Otherwise,
thank you so much and I'll see you Friday. Take
care of have a great week. Hey give me liberty,
give me death for life. Brother,