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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so I'm thinking about like freakin' zero band list

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<v Speaker 1>sidewalk slam.

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<v Speaker 2>What the hell's the matter with you? He was the

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<v Speaker 2>Commander Who Go podcast Episode four two one. Branda here

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<v Speaker 2>was r We're gonna finish off talking about the band

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<v Speaker 2>list now in our sme. So, hey Ryan, We're back

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<v Speaker 2>for yet another whirlwind adventure.

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<v Speaker 1>How you doing good? What is going down?

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<v Speaker 2>Whole bunch is going down. We got events that we

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<v Speaker 2>are yet to go to that we have already been

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<v Speaker 2>to because of time travel to talk about. We got

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<v Speaker 2>some big things coming up in the future. We got

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<v Speaker 2>more band list talk plus some input from the nation.

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<v Speaker 2>But before you get to any of that, we have

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<v Speaker 2>to thank our official business Daddy's Fusion Gaming Online dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>They are your your favorite yes place for all your

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<v Speaker 2>holiday to say five percent off all your band stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>non band stuff or soon to be band stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Or soon to be unbanned much better or and I

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<v Speaker 3>should say, I want to say a special thanks to

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<v Speaker 3>Pile of Bones Brewing Co.

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<v Speaker 2>They are the second coolest thing to come out of Regina.

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<v Speaker 2>As well as being the official beer sponsor for c

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<v Speaker 2>CEO Sidewalk Season three available now on YouTube.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh Man Sidewalk Slam so fun. Got lots of good

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<v Speaker 1>compliments on the CEO Lounge after kind after party when

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<v Speaker 1>we were talking about the game, lots of jokes, lots

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<v Speaker 1>of compliments on the player intros. If you want to

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<v Speaker 1>be a player on Sidewalkslam Patreon dot com slash CECO podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>that's where you go hop on a benefit tiered. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a couple different levels. They got a bunch of different benefits.

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<v Speaker 1>Discord Sidewalk Slam, CSU experience coming up. All of those

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<v Speaker 1>benefits to becoming a patron. Plus, you're supporting the awesome

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<v Speaker 1>show that you see here along with all of the

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<v Speaker 1>other stuff on the CCO MG, and you allow us

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<v Speaker 1>to be here along with producer Gary and the whole

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<v Speaker 1>dufferin Avenue Media Network Team Network Studio, Network Team Studio.

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<v Speaker 1>Very much.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, we did it, So we're here.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, pile of bones. I've got some pilot bones for you.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna drink. Yeah, very good. Yeah like that stuff

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<v Speaker 1>like fusion. CCO Holiday is still in effect even though

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<v Speaker 1>we're coming into spring. You can probably hear it. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>on allergy Meds right now? Is spring?

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<v Speaker 2>Is there a holiday in spring? Easter?

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<v Speaker 1>She's coming Easter? Yeah, it is zombie Jesus Day, baby, Yep,

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<v Speaker 1>that's it. Okay, So speaking to zombies, zombies, I wanna

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<v Speaker 1>get right into it. Oh shit, we don't have any

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<v Speaker 1>zombies on the band list, not a single one action. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to stay on zombies here, but I'm taking

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<v Speaker 1>it in a different direction. We're gonna be zombies every

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<v Speaker 1>morning that we wake up in Las Vegas.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, we are. Oh, I hope we get to

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<v Speaker 2>stay at another weird mansion with like a derelict limousine

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<v Speaker 2>in the in the driveway.

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<v Speaker 1>I bet you there was dead people in that limousine's

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<v Speaker 1>king bodies and that thing jumped in the middle of

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<v Speaker 1>a desert.

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<v Speaker 2>Was they just left the gas on so that it

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't smell the dead people in the limo. And there

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<v Speaker 2>was a pool and palm trees that were real, which

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<v Speaker 2>is very exciting to me, and a little like beach

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<v Speaker 2>set up with a thing. And we're gonna do that

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<v Speaker 2>all again in Vegas this June. June. Fuck, I'm excited.

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<v Speaker 2>A desert in June. I hope I'm not the only

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<v Speaker 2>one that's super pumped for that.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what, I definitely have had people say I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not going to Vegas because it's June. Those people can

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<v Speaker 1>eat my whole ass.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so cool. When you're inside the building.

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<v Speaker 1>What you'll have to do, like many a booster box

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<v Speaker 1>and or booster pack.

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<v Speaker 2>Just open it and throw yourself in the garbage.

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<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say, swim in the pool. You can

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<v Speaker 1>go back on the CCO backlog of shorts to find

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<v Speaker 1>some booster boxes that may or may not have gone

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<v Speaker 1>for a drink.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, so love that. Chlorine.

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<v Speaker 1>Planning for the CEO experience, Las Vegas, our biggest show

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<v Speaker 1>of the year, the biggest magic show of the year

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<v Speaker 1>has started. It's in the discord. I've made a thread

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<v Speaker 1>for it called Vegas twenty twenty five. I am going

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<v Speaker 1>to be collecting names of interested individuals. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>be starting the shopping for a house or houses. Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>I get to help with that. It always makes me sense.

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<v Speaker 1>We've looked into prices for flights and for us it's

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<v Speaker 1>not too bad. Not too bad, which is always the

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<v Speaker 1>biggest expense for us. But if you want to get

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<v Speaker 1>in on it, get in the discord. If you're a

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<v Speaker 1>Patreon supporter and not in the discord because you are

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<v Speaker 1>older than Brando and hate technology. I don't I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think that that's anybody, But listen. If that's you, send

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<v Speaker 1>us an email or send us a Patreon message and

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<v Speaker 1>let us know. If you can drive, if you have

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<v Speaker 1>you've got your own special set of merch that you'd

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<v Speaker 1>like to us to show off like we did with

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<v Speaker 1>Scott's Dice one year, if you make tokens, if you

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<v Speaker 1>want to contribute in any way. Of course, we're always

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<v Speaker 1>open and welcome in the nation, and coffee dot com

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<v Speaker 1>great place to donate. If you want to buy anybody

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<v Speaker 1>a beer, you can make a donation there and then

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<v Speaker 1>of course say who the donation's for. As well as

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<v Speaker 1>commander cookout dot com, there is a place to donate,

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<v Speaker 1>and usually leading up to the CCO experiences we do

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<v Speaker 1>get some donations come in with little messages, Hey, buy

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<v Speaker 1>a beer for people in the house, or get a

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<v Speaker 1>twelve pack on me or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>Right now, nothing but the best sevens available.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, the're threes now.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, right, it's gonna be hard to get used

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<v Speaker 2>to it. Frick three and hit you with some brandology.

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<v Speaker 2>Three is a much lower number than seven.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know what, I don't know if.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm comfortable calling people threes.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, man, But it's three out of four still,

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<v Speaker 1>like in the seventieth percentime, it like three.

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<v Speaker 2>Out of five. Well no, but we do, we do

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<v Speaker 2>in the fiftieth percentime.

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<v Speaker 1>Listen, if we have to ask what a five is,

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<v Speaker 1>we were playing fours, right, So it's basically there in

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<v Speaker 1>the seventieth percentile. And what's a seven point one versus

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<v Speaker 1>seven point five? Like, there's threes, that's seventy five. It's

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<v Speaker 1>the same A bunch of fucking threes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, a bunch of threes.

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<v Speaker 1>So cocio experience. I'm super excited. I gotta get a

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<v Speaker 1>TV graphic four. You'd see the TV graphics if you're

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<v Speaker 1>watching on YouTube, which should be yeah, yeah, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Zombies, Oh we're gonna be zombies.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we're gonna be zombies.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, are you gonna talk about a zombie cards?

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<v Speaker 2>Then I'm really excited for that. Yeah, man, then you didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what we missed, Bobby Master.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, that's the other card I was thinking about yesterday

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<v Speaker 2>on the pre show when I opened two zombies. I've

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<v Speaker 2>got a crypt Breaker and a Zombie Master. Those are

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<v Speaker 2>the two Secret Layer extra bonus fifth cards that I got.

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<v Speaker 1>Zombie Master is actually pretty.

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<v Speaker 2>Good in old Border foil. Zombie definitely has new arc.

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<v Speaker 2>They both definitely have.

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<v Speaker 1>No Zombie Master has is the one that gives him

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<v Speaker 2>Swamp Walk and is a zombie. It turns out as

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<v Speaker 2>opposed to the other printings of it one plus one Swamplock.

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<v Speaker 1>Great in your Gulguri zombie decks where you can just

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<v Speaker 1>go get a land and you get Erborg, so then

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<v Speaker 1>your zombies are unblockable. Great when you have Expedition map

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<v Speaker 1>and you can just go and get your herb Org

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<v Speaker 1>and make your zombies unblockable. And Erborg is a card

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<v Speaker 1>that you want to get anyways because the ball coffers.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, So math checks out. Zombie Master, he's good

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<v Speaker 1>in Zombie deck.

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<v Speaker 2>Jomby Master good card. Crypt Breaker also actually a good

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<v Speaker 2>card that I play, but still disappointing. And if you

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<v Speaker 2>want to know why, it's disappointing.

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<v Speaker 1>Watch watch the precio. I'm gonna be a freaking zombie

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<v Speaker 1>master in Las Vegas. Yeah she is. Maybe we'll go

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<v Speaker 1>to Freemont Street.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna, man, we always go to free Mont Street.

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<v Speaker 1>I just stay at the house and drink beer and

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<v Speaker 1>eat flaming hot doritles because I'm a fucking nerd.

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<v Speaker 2>See I go to the I go to Fremont Street

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<v Speaker 2>and I get kicked out of.

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<v Speaker 1>The bar, grinded on by thong wearing Pikachu.

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<v Speaker 2>No, he wasn't wearing a thong. He just had three

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<v Speaker 2>arms the action.

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<v Speaker 1>One of those it was not his arm Brando.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's man. That means that his wang was in

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<v Speaker 2>like the Pikachu arm of the costume, and he somehow

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<v Speaker 2>managed to articulate it. That's impressive. That is pretty This

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<v Speaker 2>is a wild places. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So the band list the list o case, we talked

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<v Speaker 1>about a good fair dinking number of good fared Pikachudnkin

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<v Speaker 1>number of cards. Last week we got all the way

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<v Speaker 1>down to reoccurring nightmare. That is a band card that

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<v Speaker 1>you purchased from Fusion Gaming Online like an idiot. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe it'll get unbanned. We were making a good case

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<v Speaker 1>for unbanns last week. I want everything unbanned. Turns out

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<v Speaker 1>the people on YouTube comments and Reddit and Facebook want

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<v Speaker 1>less things on banned than your good friend Ryan.

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<v Speaker 2>Power nine and dick sterity cards and one of the

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<v Speaker 2>cards that we're gonna talk about today, meaning this one.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, dude, I want I want to play a freaking

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<v Speaker 1>even this one.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't even say what it does.

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<v Speaker 1>But no, not that one.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody knows what I'm talking So the band list and

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<v Speaker 2>your should be one card.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and it's that one maybe, and listen, maybe be

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<v Speaker 1>like three cards.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh oh, what are the other two? At that one?

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<v Speaker 2>What are the other two?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know yet. I haven't thought about it yet.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't thought about it yet. But listen, I want

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<v Speaker 1>to play freaking sidewalk slam with no band list.

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<v Speaker 2>How are we gonna do that? We can't can't afford it.

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<v Speaker 1>Who do we know that's got freaking power nine? I

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<v Speaker 1>know a couple of guys that got power in the city.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, there's g Off I think has some let's do

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<v Speaker 2>it and uh a.

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<v Speaker 1>Few jewels got it. We'll get him to ship in

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<v Speaker 1>the mail.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't play magic, no one. Yeah, Jesse spears. Actually

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<v Speaker 2>I think still has something.

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<v Speaker 1>No, he got ready his right before it spiked, and

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<v Speaker 1>he was like, I'm an idiot. I could have bought

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<v Speaker 1>a mansion, sold his power for like two hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>eighty thousand dollars less than what he could have been. Whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>he's still made like three hundred grand.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you can you imagine that? Like that hit to

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, he moved, dude, he moved to Poland for

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<v Speaker 1>like a year, nobody even saw him. I think he

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I mean that's what I do, is moved.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if I moved to Poland.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, maybe maybe like check, yes, somewhere they got beer

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<v Speaker 1>and they drink more vodka.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd pick somewhere like pretty freaking cool, that's not too expensive.

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<v Speaker 2>I do like a Scotland because like I hear that,

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<v Speaker 2>traveling in Scotland isn't too expensive. Trains trains super and

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<v Speaker 2>you can stay for not very much as opposed to

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<v Speaker 2>somewhere like Ireland, where Ireland is very expensive to stay.

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<v Speaker 1>And as a tourist, let me ask you something. So

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<v Speaker 1>don't go to those places that you just said.

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<v Speaker 2>But I live here.

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<v Speaker 1>Go to wherever Ruffalos Laniwar Emissary lives. He's our first card.

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<v Speaker 2>He lives in the jungles of Peru.

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<v Speaker 1>Lani War. Yes, okay, so he's a two to one

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<v Speaker 1>ELF druid. You might have recognized those creature types as

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<v Speaker 1>good ones before yeap for green green and has tap

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<v Speaker 1>ad green to your manipool for each forest you control.

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<v Speaker 2>That's obscene.

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<v Speaker 1>This guy is banned. He was on the band as

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<v Speaker 1>a commander list when that existed.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is why he is still banned. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, Now, I ask you this. If this guy was

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<v Speaker 1>downgraded from band and put onto the game Changer's game

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<v Speaker 1>Changers list as a in the ninety nine of your

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<v Speaker 1>probably green Black Lathrill ELF deck, does this one guy

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<v Speaker 1>make that big of a difference? Keeping in mind green

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<v Speaker 1>is the creature Tudor color and black is the Tudor color.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he still would. I would in my head.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I would leave this band because because we

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<v Speaker 2>have Gaya's creator on a creature and I think that

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<v Speaker 2>that's fine, you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>And guy's cradle on the game Changer's list.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, like, I feel like we've got a like a

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<v Speaker 2>we don't need two of these when one of them

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<v Speaker 2>is probably better and there's a land much like herb

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<v Speaker 2>Worg that supports it now and you know what I mean, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>I just feel like this one's fine to kind of

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<v Speaker 2>just if they printed it today, I'd be like, man,

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<v Speaker 2>what a fucking dank card. I wouldn't say ban it,

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<v Speaker 2>but since it's banned.

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<v Speaker 1>It also wouldn't cost It wouldn't cost green Green today.

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<v Speaker 1>It probably cost like green Green two, Green Green four three,

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<v Speaker 1>Green Green one, and he'd be a three to three

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<v Speaker 1>something and haste instructible protection from everything damage can't be printed. Yeah, yeah, yeah, uh.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what. Raplos to me feels a lot like

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<v Speaker 1>Jeweled Lotus and Mana Crypt and Man of Vault. It's like,

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<v Speaker 1>how much redundancy at the make lots of Green mana

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<v Speaker 1>Very early in the game, slot do you need? You've

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<v Speaker 1>got Hilario or not Tillary Academy, Guya's Cradle, Guy's Cradle

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<v Speaker 1>Dot Creature, You've got elves coming out every orifice of

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<v Speaker 1>your body that tapped for Green, You've got the Itla

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<v Speaker 1>mock cradle of whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>That one cradle.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that also like kind of draws you a card.

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<v Speaker 2>It's guy's cradle that can find this now and then

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<v Speaker 2>play this and then flip itself over.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, Now, I know that all of those things

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<v Speaker 1>don't cost aren't a land, don't cost one or don't

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<v Speaker 1>cost two like ruffalos. I know that those things cost

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<v Speaker 1>like three or four or five or whatever. But this

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<v Speaker 1>feels like a redundancy that jumps you from two or

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<v Speaker 1>three mana to like eight or nine mana And it's

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<v Speaker 1>just another one of those things.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't just for playing it too, like by the

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<v Speaker 2>time grieves aside, if you just play this on curve,

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<v Speaker 2>when you untap and then play a land on turn three,

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<v Speaker 2>you have six mana.

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<v Speaker 1>That's lots.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a lot of frickin' mana, especially when it's all

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<v Speaker 2>colored and if you're playing just green as you would

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<v Speaker 2>if this was your commander, let's say, ooh, that's that

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<v Speaker 2>is backbreaking. That is a backbreaking card. And that's why

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<v Speaker 2>this is probably still if it was non legendary, we

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<v Speaker 2>could probably unband it, you think, so, I think, so

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<v Speaker 2>why does that matter? Because it can't be.

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<v Speaker 1>Your commander, can't be your command having.

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<v Speaker 2>It in the command Zone guarantees you six manna on

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<v Speaker 2>turn two in virtually every game unless you keep a

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<v Speaker 2>really shitty hand.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, all you need is two or three lands.

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<v Speaker 2>This card is so good you don't need non basic

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<v Speaker 2>lands in your deck.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I had actually two questions for you. Is

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<v Speaker 1>green the color that you play the most basics in

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<v Speaker 1>your monocolor deck as a percentage of total lands? Yep?

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<v Speaker 2>You think because I am, on purpose in my mono

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<v Speaker 2>red decks play lots of non basics because when I

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<v Speaker 2>blood Moon and turn them all into mountains, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>hurt me. I don't care. Yes, I all the benefits

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<v Speaker 2>of having all these lands that do all this stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>even if it's totally irrelevant to what I'm doing. And

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<v Speaker 2>what's the worst that's gonna happen. It's blood Mountain.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's it. And the second question is does turning

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<v Speaker 1>into ra How.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you say the Hulk actor's name? Ruffalo? This is Ruffellos.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks you pretty scary? Yep, Ruffalo Lanno warrant Hulk emissary.

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<v Speaker 1>If we make him not legendary, does that make him

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<v Speaker 1>better or worse? Command Zone notwithstanding, is he you can't

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<v Speaker 1>find him with Time of Need, which is your green

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<v Speaker 1>legendary creature tutor.

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<v Speaker 2>It's one tutor you can't find him with. But on

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<v Speaker 2>the other hand, I guess I could clone him. You

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<v Speaker 2>can clone him, but let's mix it all of the

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<v Speaker 2>new clones. Don't give a shit if they're legendary.

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<v Speaker 1>True.

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<v Speaker 2>In my Coma deck, I think there's seven clones, and

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<v Speaker 2>I can clone Coma with every one of them.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, you play Ernic his bio duplication, right, I like

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<v Speaker 1>that one because it gives me flying.

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<v Speaker 2>He gives him flying. Alsode with that guy makes a

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<v Speaker 2>better clone of the thing you're cloning. Yes, makes him

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<v Speaker 2>better because it flies now. Yes, I cloned Brubak with

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<v Speaker 2>that before. And milk quadruple Yeah, Mill ten equal.

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<v Speaker 1>Mil forty, mill thirteen is like mill fifty whatever. Man,

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<v Speaker 1>that's like your whole library. You just need to lose something.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not greater.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're saying keep him banned.

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<v Speaker 2>I think so you only because he's legendary, only because

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<v Speaker 2>we're not doing a band as commander list. So I

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<v Speaker 2>would keep him banned just because six mana turn two

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<v Speaker 2>or turn three. Every single game is just people talking. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>the speed of a mana of jule lotis or of

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<v Speaker 2>a turn one sol ring or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>That's only four mana, that's five man on turn two.

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<v Speaker 1>This guy puts you at six mana on turn three.

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<v Speaker 2>And then eight man on turn four, ten man on

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<v Speaker 2>turn five.

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<v Speaker 1>If you also didn't ramp on turn one, if you

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<v Speaker 1>have raped, if yeah, if you if you did a

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<v Speaker 1>like a man of cryptor vault, or if you did,

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<v Speaker 1>can you imagine like forest mana crypt if it was

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<v Speaker 1>still legal into signet turn two rufalos after a forest.

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<v Speaker 1>You've got one, two, three, four, five, I've six seven

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<v Speaker 1>man on turn two, eight man on turn two, whatever

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<v Speaker 1>the math says.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's not burst manu. That shit just sticks around.

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<v Speaker 1>That just sticks around.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know what, you could genu wave for ten

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<v Speaker 2>on turn three.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, that's pretty good.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not bad. I used to be eight. But still

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<v Speaker 2>that's a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>This guy being legendary. I hate doing this. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>getting a purple nurple. I don't like it. But I

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<v Speaker 1>would say let's leave him banned. If he wasn't legendary,

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<v Speaker 1>I would take him off. And you know what, I

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<v Speaker 1>think this is the first legend we've discussed at length.

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<v Speaker 1>Because if he wasn't legendary, I like he wouldn't be

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<v Speaker 1>as big of an issue. Maybe that's maybe that's all

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<v Speaker 1>of them though, right, well, I think.

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<v Speaker 2>Most of them are think they're kind of a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of the other commanders are kind of feel bad commanders.

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<v Speaker 2>We talked about the one that Leohold counters every spell

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<v Speaker 2>and Leobold flying Man, and.

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<v Speaker 1>No, that's a trust flying man. Leovold is the one

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<v Speaker 1>that like makes you sit, can't draw.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, uh whatever, yeah, whatever the hell that guy is.

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<v Speaker 2>And there was the other lady that just ruins your

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<v Speaker 2>life brave right kind of feel baddie. Rufellos represents my

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<v Speaker 2>deck is stronger than fucking yours because I have more

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<v Speaker 2>manna than you do. And that's just it.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's the exact reason cited why Manacrypt and Juel

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<v Speaker 1>Lotus and potentially Man of Vault and and I would

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<v Speaker 1>ox side that's the reason that all of those were banned.

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<v Speaker 2>And I would agree with all of that if you

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<v Speaker 2>could play them in your command zone, but you can't,

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<v Speaker 2>so I don't if for Fellows could be just if

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<v Speaker 2>he was just elf Rufellos emissary Fellos emissary, and it

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<v Speaker 2>was a non legendary too.

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<v Speaker 1>One. Yeah, if he was just Lana War Emissary, which is.

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<v Speaker 2>Another card, but you know what, Yeah, that's whyssary. But

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<v Speaker 2>I think that that would be a very powerful card.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that people there'd be lots of discussion about it,

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<v Speaker 2>and people would be talking about it in the same

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<v Speaker 2>breath as things like Dockside. But I think that you

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<v Speaker 2>could still get away with playing it. Yeah, and I

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<v Speaker 2>would last week if you listened, I was on team

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<v Speaker 2>like leave docs banned, like whatever. I'm fine with it,

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<v Speaker 2>and I guess he would be held in the same

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<v Speaker 2>kind of account. But if they were to just print

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<v Speaker 2>Raffelos's Emissary today, I'd be fine with it, and then

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<v Speaker 2>it would eventually get banned because no, no, it wouldn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually it wouldn't because it doesn't scale for three other

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<v Speaker 2>players like Dockside does.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, next card here, this is the one. I actively

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<v Speaker 1>do not like this card.

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<v Speaker 2>I also, I thought it was hilarious when I read

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<v Speaker 2>it the first time.

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<v Speaker 1>When you were a younger Magic player, and we talked

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<v Speaker 1>about it last week. It's Shahara's ad.

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<v Speaker 2>I took it to the dude bros. Yeah, and everybody

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<v Speaker 2>around the table. When I said Shahia's ad, They're all like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my god, except for the new guy was like,

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<v Speaker 2>what Shaharaes that doing? And we told him that sounds

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<v Speaker 2>fucking awesome, and then we explained to him why it's

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<v Speaker 2>not awesome and he was like, oh yeah, Like I

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<v Speaker 2>still think that's really cool. I'll give it a read,

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<v Speaker 2>but I understand why we ban it.

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<v Speaker 1>White White Sorcery players play a magic sub game using

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<v Speaker 1>their libraries as their decks. Each player who doesn't win

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<v Speaker 1>the sub game loses half their life rounded up. M Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so you take you you leave everything on the table.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna Coles notes this shit because at the end

423
00:20:14.680 --> 00:20:18.480
<v Speaker 1>of this Cole's notes, we're gonna say stays mad, stays man. Okay,

424
00:20:18.720 --> 00:20:22.000
<v Speaker 1>you take the remainder of your deck and you put

425
00:20:22.279 --> 00:20:26.319
<v Speaker 1>everything that's currently in the game your hand exiled everywhere,

426
00:20:26.519 --> 00:20:30.200
<v Speaker 1>everything every fucking over here, shoffle your deck up. Play

427
00:20:30.240 --> 00:20:32.519
<v Speaker 1>another game, the winner, go.

428
00:20:32.519 --> 00:20:34.079
<v Speaker 2>Back to forty. Play another game.

429
00:20:34.200 --> 00:20:38.839
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the winner of that game. Nothing happens. And then

430
00:20:38.880 --> 00:20:41.240
<v Speaker 1>what happens after you just shuffle up those cards into

431
00:20:41.359 --> 00:20:43.960
<v Speaker 1>your library again, Like there's so much baggage with this,

432
00:20:44.359 --> 00:20:50.680
<v Speaker 1>and then as if like, oh man, the loser of

433
00:20:50.720 --> 00:20:54.440
<v Speaker 1>that game losers. The losers of that game lose half

434
00:20:54.480 --> 00:20:56.319
<v Speaker 1>their life. And then you go back to the first game,

435
00:20:58.319 --> 00:21:02.000
<v Speaker 1>as if there's not already another wrong with that. You

436
00:21:02.799 --> 00:21:08.119
<v Speaker 1>freaking take up everybody's time, everybody's space. You don't lose

437
00:21:08.200 --> 00:21:11.440
<v Speaker 1>if you lose the subgame. No, you just freaking lose

438
00:21:11.480 --> 00:21:14.079
<v Speaker 1>half your life. It's ridiculous in the real game. In

439
00:21:14.160 --> 00:21:19.599
<v Speaker 1>the real game. And if if freaking if all of

440
00:21:19.640 --> 00:21:21.680
<v Speaker 1>your best cards in your win cons are in your

441
00:21:21.759 --> 00:21:24.640
<v Speaker 1>hand waiting to be spent in the real game because

442
00:21:24.640 --> 00:21:28.240
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna win, you're gonna lose the subgame and lose

443
00:21:28.279 --> 00:21:29.799
<v Speaker 1>half your life, and then you're gonna go back to

444
00:21:29.839 --> 00:21:31.559
<v Speaker 1>the real game and cast the stuff that's in your

445
00:21:31.559 --> 00:21:33.200
<v Speaker 1>hand to win. You're just gonna win anyway. So sha

446
00:21:33.240 --> 00:21:35.599
<v Speaker 1>hears ad doesn't do anything except make the game go

447
00:21:36.319 --> 00:21:39.279
<v Speaker 1>literally forever, because you don't have your win con in

448
00:21:39.319 --> 00:21:43.319
<v Speaker 1>the subgame. It's the stupidest, most ridiculous card that should

449
00:21:43.359 --> 00:21:48.039
<v Speaker 1>never have been even thought into existence. And that's me

450
00:21:48.160 --> 00:21:49.759
<v Speaker 1>saying that, and I don't say that kind of shit

451
00:21:49.880 --> 00:21:54.279
<v Speaker 1>like ever. Sha Hera's ad is ridiculous and it's five

452
00:21:54.359 --> 00:21:55.799
<v Speaker 1>hundred dollars.

453
00:21:56.440 --> 00:21:59.359
<v Speaker 2>And let's not even go into the fact that anybody

454
00:21:59.400 --> 00:22:02.000
<v Speaker 2>who's gonna play this, we all know what they're really

455
00:22:02.039 --> 00:22:04.039
<v Speaker 2>gonna do. They're gonna go Shahara is Ad and everybody's

456
00:22:04.039 --> 00:22:06.519
<v Speaker 2>gonna go make the face, make the face, and then

457
00:22:06.519 --> 00:22:10.039
<v Speaker 2>they're gonna go FOURK, make the face again, make it harder.

458
00:22:10.599 --> 00:22:14.039
<v Speaker 2>Then they're gonna go twin cast, and then you're gonna

459
00:22:14.039 --> 00:22:16.559
<v Speaker 2>play a sun game of a subgame. I quit, I quit,

460
00:22:16.799 --> 00:22:18.960
<v Speaker 2>and everybody's gonna quit the game, and nobody's having a

461
00:22:18.960 --> 00:22:22.599
<v Speaker 2>good time. And everybody, Yeah, this card sucks and should

462
00:22:22.880 --> 00:22:25.039
<v Speaker 2>Actually the card doesn't suck. The card is hilarious. The

463
00:22:25.039 --> 00:22:28.079
<v Speaker 2>fact that exists is amazing. Yes, but it should stay

464
00:22:28.079 --> 00:22:31.039
<v Speaker 2>banned and be banned everywhere as it is for every

465
00:22:31.079 --> 00:22:32.720
<v Speaker 2>reason that Ryan just outlined.

466
00:22:32.559 --> 00:22:36.000
<v Speaker 1>For everywhere, for everyone, for all time.

467
00:22:36.119 --> 00:22:39.519
<v Speaker 2>Yes, it should have a very strong name and a

468
00:22:39.640 --> 00:22:43.039
<v Speaker 2>very blatant hometown and it should fucking stay there. Yes,

469
00:22:43.279 --> 00:22:44.920
<v Speaker 2>and the town and vill.

470
00:22:46.240 --> 00:22:47.960
<v Speaker 1>If that's a real place, probably it is. It might

471
00:22:48.000 --> 00:22:48.920
<v Speaker 1>be Thundering Titan.

472
00:22:49.039 --> 00:22:51.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh, this is a this one and the next one.

473
00:22:51.400 --> 00:22:54.160
<v Speaker 2>We're gonna talk about them individually, because they are very

474
00:22:54.160 --> 00:22:57.480
<v Speaker 2>different cards. Sundering Titan is a seven to ten that's

475
00:22:57.559 --> 00:23:02.079
<v Speaker 2>pretty big for eight colorless. When it enters the battlefield

476
00:23:02.240 --> 00:23:06.680
<v Speaker 2>or leaves the battlefield or each basic land type, you

477
00:23:06.799 --> 00:23:11.359
<v Speaker 2>destroy a land of that type. This card is absolutely

478
00:23:11.400 --> 00:23:16.319
<v Speaker 2>outrageous and I would suggest deserves the banning that it got.

479
00:23:17.559 --> 00:23:19.880
<v Speaker 1>What do you think enters your leaves, choose a land

480
00:23:19.920 --> 00:23:25.519
<v Speaker 1>of each basic land type and destroy them. Man alive. Hey,

481
00:23:25.519 --> 00:23:28.039
<v Speaker 1>this can get all the lands if you infa flicker

482
00:23:28.039 --> 00:23:31.000
<v Speaker 1>it right, Yes, it can get everything because you pick

483
00:23:31.079 --> 00:23:33.480
<v Speaker 1>and the things you picked are yes.

484
00:23:34.519 --> 00:23:38.000
<v Speaker 2>Now it is a you have to pick one of

485
00:23:38.000 --> 00:23:42.720
<v Speaker 2>each if available, so eventually you will have to start

486
00:23:42.799 --> 00:23:48.200
<v Speaker 2>killing your own shit. But like, if you're info flickering

487
00:23:48.279 --> 00:23:53.039
<v Speaker 2>of this titan, you're probably doing okay, and it's you're

488
00:23:53.079 --> 00:23:56.720
<v Speaker 2>probably gonna stop flickering it after all of your opponent's

489
00:23:56.799 --> 00:23:57.400
<v Speaker 2>land are dead.

490
00:23:57.839 --> 00:24:00.640
<v Speaker 1>My question was if one of the base land types

491
00:24:00.680 --> 00:24:04.279
<v Speaker 1>isn't present, it says right here, it just isn't fricking chosen,

492
00:24:04.359 --> 00:24:05.680
<v Speaker 1>and you continue to sunder.

493
00:24:05.960 --> 00:24:09.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So as long as you're not the only one

494
00:24:09.200 --> 00:24:12.200
<v Speaker 2>playing mountains, you're fine.

495
00:24:12.519 --> 00:24:12.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

496
00:24:12.920 --> 00:24:15.240
<v Speaker 2>And if somebody plays something like I don't know, an

497
00:24:15.279 --> 00:24:18.680
<v Speaker 2>Herborg or a yav a maya cradle, of growth.

498
00:24:18.680 --> 00:24:21.440
<v Speaker 1>If your land is more than one basic land type,

499
00:24:21.480 --> 00:24:25.480
<v Speaker 1>it can also be choosed twice more than one time. Exactly.

500
00:24:25.599 --> 00:24:28.960
<v Speaker 1>So if I'm playing like black and you're playing a

501
00:24:29.000 --> 00:24:31.960
<v Speaker 1>try land and one of those land types is a swamp,

502
00:24:32.240 --> 00:24:35.480
<v Speaker 1>I can choose your swamp and your island if they're

503
00:24:35.519 --> 00:24:38.640
<v Speaker 1>the same card, right. So, like, there's so many different options,

504
00:24:38.640 --> 00:24:43.119
<v Speaker 1>and it happens on enter and exit, and it's not targeted,

505
00:24:43.440 --> 00:24:47.079
<v Speaker 1>and you can't do anything when the ability starts to resolve,

506
00:24:47.160 --> 00:24:49.440
<v Speaker 1>Like you can't tap and respond to it once it

507
00:24:49.519 --> 00:24:53.920
<v Speaker 1>starts to resolve. So, oh man, this card is.

508
00:24:57.440 --> 00:24:59.359
<v Speaker 2>There's people out there stand right now, they're saying.

509
00:24:59.160 --> 00:25:01.839
<v Speaker 1>Oh, it's fine a cost. You have to purposely build

510
00:25:01.880 --> 00:25:03.920
<v Speaker 1>around it to abuse it. You have to blink it.

511
00:25:03.920 --> 00:25:07.000
<v Speaker 1>It's a stacks card. It's actually a win con. There's

512
00:25:07.200 --> 00:25:10.480
<v Speaker 1>reasons to play this card, for sure. But like so

513
00:25:10.680 --> 00:25:13.920
<v Speaker 1>many other things on the list, when Sundering Titan goes

514
00:25:13.960 --> 00:25:17.240
<v Speaker 1>into your deck, you're already doing things that Sundering Titan

515
00:25:17.319 --> 00:25:21.559
<v Speaker 1>cares about, destroying lands, blinking, locking your opponents out, and

516
00:25:21.599 --> 00:25:25.880
<v Speaker 1>this just gives you a really good way to do

517
00:25:26.000 --> 00:25:30.920
<v Speaker 1>that and a really good way to lock them because

518
00:25:31.039 --> 00:25:34.440
<v Speaker 1>you probably have a bounce engine like able to oh,

519
00:25:34.480 --> 00:25:37.079
<v Speaker 1>you played a land for turn, I'm gonna flicker, sundering titan,

520
00:25:37.400 --> 00:25:40.920
<v Speaker 1>kill it, continue to lock them out and see or

521
00:25:40.920 --> 00:25:44.000
<v Speaker 1>three whatever list I was counting on also gives you

522
00:25:44.079 --> 00:25:46.079
<v Speaker 1>a really good way to kill them because it's like

523
00:25:46.160 --> 00:25:46.680
<v Speaker 1>pretty big.

524
00:25:46.759 --> 00:25:49.759
<v Speaker 2>It's a seven to ten. It's going to attack into

525
00:25:49.920 --> 00:25:53.000
<v Speaker 2>virtually anything and kill it and survive. Or it's gonna

526
00:25:53.039 --> 00:25:57.079
<v Speaker 2>block virtually anything, kill it and survive. And I have

527
00:25:57.160 --> 00:26:00.200
<v Speaker 2>a deck right now today and it's not necessary a

528
00:26:00.240 --> 00:26:04.200
<v Speaker 2>super polished, good blink deck, but I'll bet you in

529
00:26:04.240 --> 00:26:08.039
<v Speaker 2>that deck, I could tap eight, play this, kill five lands,

530
00:26:08.279 --> 00:26:12.200
<v Speaker 2>blinkt before combat, kill five more lands. It's gonna come

531
00:26:12.240 --> 00:26:14.680
<v Speaker 2>back at the end of my turn, kill five more lands,

532
00:26:14.759 --> 00:26:17.640
<v Speaker 2>and they're gonna blink it again and kill ten more lands.

533
00:26:17.880 --> 00:26:20.119
<v Speaker 2>And that's just if I've played the cards in my

534
00:26:20.200 --> 00:26:23.200
<v Speaker 2>deck already. And that isn't a ten card Conboy talked

535
00:26:23.200 --> 00:26:27.960
<v Speaker 2>about it's three. So yeah, I killed twenty five lands

536
00:26:27.960 --> 00:26:29.440
<v Speaker 2>for eight MANU. That's pretty good.

537
00:26:29.480 --> 00:26:32.640
<v Speaker 1>The other thing too, And this just goes into all

538
00:26:32.680 --> 00:26:36.599
<v Speaker 1>of the comments and discussion I saw as to like

539
00:26:37.000 --> 00:26:39.599
<v Speaker 1>why people think or why this or why that, Like

540
00:26:39.680 --> 00:26:42.319
<v Speaker 1>maybe we didn't explain enough things last time because we

541
00:26:42.319 --> 00:26:44.839
<v Speaker 1>were trying to do cards in mass. But a lot

542
00:26:44.839 --> 00:26:48.799
<v Speaker 1>of cards like Sundering Titan have some kind of clause

543
00:26:48.839 --> 00:26:51.880
<v Speaker 1>that say, if it would go into your graveyard, shuffle

544
00:26:51.880 --> 00:26:55.680
<v Speaker 1>it back in instead, or when it hits your graveyard,

545
00:26:55.799 --> 00:26:59.000
<v Speaker 1>shuffle it or shuffle your graveyard back.

546
00:26:58.839 --> 00:26:59.920
<v Speaker 2>In rossey Ty.

547
00:27:00.240 --> 00:27:03.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and they make it so you can't like in

548
00:27:04.000 --> 00:27:07.160
<v Speaker 1>tune and then reanimate them on turn frickin' two. Right,

549
00:27:08.039 --> 00:27:10.799
<v Speaker 1>Sundering Titan doesn't have that either, So that's just another

550
00:27:10.880 --> 00:27:14.400
<v Speaker 1>kind of thing on the list of why it's really powerful.

551
00:27:14.440 --> 00:27:16.160
<v Speaker 1>Because if you can get a Sundering Titan out like

552
00:27:16.240 --> 00:27:20.599
<v Speaker 1>turn two and destroy virtually every single land on the table,

553
00:27:21.559 --> 00:27:24.440
<v Speaker 1>and or if you're pairing it with like you do

554
00:27:24.519 --> 00:27:27.799
<v Speaker 1>at high power tables, a lot of Mani ROCs, you

555
00:27:27.920 --> 00:27:30.920
<v Speaker 1>might not actually be behind that much. If you're first

556
00:27:31.039 --> 00:27:34.079
<v Speaker 1>or among the first players to play where you've deployed

557
00:27:34.119 --> 00:27:37.400
<v Speaker 1>manirocks before other players have. If you kill their lands,

558
00:27:37.440 --> 00:27:40.119
<v Speaker 1>they can't get their manirocks out that they had planned

559
00:27:40.160 --> 00:27:42.519
<v Speaker 1>their game around playing. Yep. So those are all these

560
00:27:42.559 --> 00:27:45.799
<v Speaker 1>reasons right Thundering Titan, though, if you compare it to

561
00:27:45.960 --> 00:27:50.160
<v Speaker 1>things that lock games out or win games or reset

562
00:27:50.240 --> 00:27:54.279
<v Speaker 1>games that I said unbanned last week, like Worldfire, which

563
00:27:54.319 --> 00:27:59.519
<v Speaker 1>is unbanned bio orrhythm. I'm thinking of Wildfire destroy four

564
00:28:00.240 --> 00:28:02.799
<v Speaker 1>four lands of every player and then deals five damage

565
00:28:02.799 --> 00:28:03.799
<v Speaker 1>to each creature or some ship.

566
00:28:04.200 --> 00:28:06.200
<v Speaker 2>Six more than that.

567
00:28:06.960 --> 00:28:09.799
<v Speaker 1>There's cards like Wildfire that deal damage to every creature

568
00:28:09.880 --> 00:28:12.319
<v Speaker 1>and destroy a whole bunch of lands. There's a card

569
00:28:12.359 --> 00:28:16.240
<v Speaker 1>called Devastation that destroys all lands of a certain type. Ye, well,

570
00:28:16.279 --> 00:28:18.880
<v Speaker 1>if you just play rboorg, Devastation like that does the

571
00:28:18.920 --> 00:28:23.039
<v Speaker 1>same thing. Armageddon is another one. This costs eight. Armageddon

572
00:28:23.039 --> 00:28:24.960
<v Speaker 1>costs four eight inc band ruination.

573
00:28:25.039 --> 00:28:27.160
<v Speaker 2>We've talked about a bunch of times show ruination.

574
00:28:28.200 --> 00:28:31.119
<v Speaker 1>So I'm not saying Sundering Titan should be banned because

575
00:28:31.200 --> 00:28:34.880
<v Speaker 1>land destruction is bad. I'm saying it's so easy to do.

576
00:28:34.920 --> 00:28:38.039
<v Speaker 2>It's when it enters and when it leads, it leaves.

577
00:28:38.079 --> 00:28:40.680
<v Speaker 2>It can be played in every single deck, every single deck,

578
00:28:40.720 --> 00:28:44.440
<v Speaker 2>and it's very easy to maneuver. And it's an artifact,

579
00:28:44.559 --> 00:28:46.960
<v Speaker 2>so it's so easy to bounce in and out of

580
00:28:47.000 --> 00:28:51.279
<v Speaker 2>play in hand and like it. It's a it's ridiculous.

581
00:28:53.240 --> 00:28:55.559
<v Speaker 2>It's much more ridiculous than the next card we're going

582
00:28:55.599 --> 00:28:57.839
<v Speaker 2>to talk about. I don't even that one might be

583
00:28:57.920 --> 00:28:58.200
<v Speaker 2>one of.

584
00:28:58.440 --> 00:29:02.400
<v Speaker 1>My last my last thing about some titan hit me unbanned.

585
00:29:02.640 --> 00:29:05.279
<v Speaker 2>Welcome now, I don't fuck them now, I don't Ryan's

586
00:29:05.279 --> 00:29:08.160
<v Speaker 2>wrong on this one. I'm gonna next next up, this one,

587
00:29:08.200 --> 00:29:13.920
<v Speaker 2>you could maybe make a case for the stars, Babykay.

588
00:29:12.079 --> 00:29:15.160
<v Speaker 1>Of the Stars is like Worldfire kind of Okay, so

589
00:29:15.559 --> 00:29:19.160
<v Speaker 1>this is blue blue eight count it that's ten ten,

590
00:29:19.319 --> 00:29:23.680
<v Speaker 1>kind of like Worldfire in that like Echelon of manacost Sorcery,

591
00:29:23.920 --> 00:29:28.240
<v Speaker 1>kind of like Worldfire. Each player shuffles their their hand,

592
00:29:28.640 --> 00:29:33.759
<v Speaker 1>graveyard and permanence into their library, then draws seven. Each

593
00:29:33.799 --> 00:29:37.680
<v Speaker 1>player's life total becomes seven. Kind of like World Fire.

594
00:29:38.400 --> 00:29:42.480
<v Speaker 2>Ah hmm, okay, here's the difference. I'm gonna tell you

595
00:29:42.519 --> 00:29:42.920
<v Speaker 2>the difference.

596
00:29:43.000 --> 00:29:43.920
<v Speaker 1>I like this card.

597
00:29:44.119 --> 00:29:46.599
<v Speaker 2>The difference Sway of the Stars in World Fire is

598
00:29:46.680 --> 00:29:51.440
<v Speaker 2>world Fire typically will end the game on the spot.

599
00:29:52.160 --> 00:29:54.759
<v Speaker 2>Usually the damage that you need to do the one

600
00:29:55.599 --> 00:30:00.359
<v Speaker 2>is already happening. It's already demonstrated, it's happening. The game

601
00:30:00.440 --> 00:30:03.119
<v Speaker 2>is over. But there's a step that has there's a

602
00:30:03.240 --> 00:30:04.359
<v Speaker 2>step in the stack that has to.

603
00:30:04.480 --> 00:30:05.440
<v Speaker 1>And it's called world fire.

604
00:30:05.720 --> 00:30:08.359
<v Speaker 2>Correct. Yeah, sway of the Stars is different in that

605
00:30:08.640 --> 00:30:12.039
<v Speaker 2>seven is a lot harder to float in the air

606
00:30:13.079 --> 00:30:15.680
<v Speaker 2>and demonstrate than one.

607
00:30:16.319 --> 00:30:19.960
<v Speaker 1>Yes, and you're putting everybody back to the start of

608
00:30:20.000 --> 00:30:20.400
<v Speaker 1>the game.

609
00:30:20.720 --> 00:30:24.039
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, okay, So when World Fire like fucksed you, like

610
00:30:24.119 --> 00:30:26.519
<v Speaker 4>it fucks you up, like it exiles all your shit,

611
00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:30.119
<v Speaker 4>it doesn't restart the game, whereas Sway of the Stars

612
00:30:30.319 --> 00:30:31.400
<v Speaker 4>restarts the game.

613
00:30:31.519 --> 00:30:33.240
<v Speaker 2>Yes, if the game starts at seven.

614
00:30:33.119 --> 00:30:37.599
<v Speaker 1>Let me read Worldfire real quick red red red six sorcery,

615
00:30:38.079 --> 00:30:42.160
<v Speaker 1>exile all permanents, excel, all cards from all hands and graveyards.

616
00:30:42.160 --> 00:30:45.599
<v Speaker 1>Each player's life total becomes one, so world Fire can

617
00:30:46.119 --> 00:30:49.240
<v Speaker 1>completely blanks everything. And this is this is if you

618
00:30:49.279 --> 00:30:51.839
<v Speaker 1>and I were playing World Fire. This how goes world Fire.

619
00:30:52.559 --> 00:30:55.200
<v Speaker 1>Everybody goes to one. Excel all your shit go. If

620
00:30:55.200 --> 00:30:57.119
<v Speaker 1>I don't have one damage on the stack, yeah, go

621
00:30:57.640 --> 00:31:01.880
<v Speaker 1>you say, draw go draw Oh draw go draw Land

622
00:31:01.920 --> 00:31:05.599
<v Speaker 1>Go draw Land go And it's fast and we all

623
00:31:05.640 --> 00:31:08.799
<v Speaker 1>get to contribute, kind of like top deck mode. Sway

624
00:31:08.839 --> 00:31:12.960
<v Speaker 1>of the Stars says, hey, start the game over, except

625
00:31:13.160 --> 00:31:16.079
<v Speaker 1>you're at seven, and it's like, okay, I've got seven

626
00:31:16.119 --> 00:31:20.440
<v Speaker 1>cards in hand and it's a new game except for

627
00:31:20.440 --> 00:31:23.200
<v Speaker 1>everything that was exiled. Yes, maybe if I exiled all

628
00:31:23.240 --> 00:31:25.200
<v Speaker 1>your stuff with like attash is hideous laughter.

629
00:31:25.400 --> 00:31:27.839
<v Speaker 2>We haven't exiled anything except I guess yeah, if you

630
00:31:27.880 --> 00:31:29.559
<v Speaker 2>exile the graveyard, then you can't get.

631
00:31:29.400 --> 00:31:32.359
<v Speaker 1>It, like prior to Sway of the Stars. If I

632
00:31:32.519 --> 00:31:35.240
<v Speaker 1>exile a bunch of your stuff in mass yeah, or

633
00:31:35.279 --> 00:31:38.240
<v Speaker 1>if you're playing against like what's the what's the red

634
00:31:38.279 --> 00:31:43.599
<v Speaker 1>black guy that draws from exile? No, no, I want

635
00:31:43.599 --> 00:31:45.759
<v Speaker 1>to say usher, but I know that's a That guy's

636
00:31:45.880 --> 00:31:46.480
<v Speaker 1>a different guy.

637
00:31:47.720 --> 00:31:51.759
<v Speaker 2>That's me. Imagine if prosper prosper let's playing lay Line

638
00:31:51.759 --> 00:31:52.440
<v Speaker 2>of the Void.

639
00:31:53.480 --> 00:31:57.920
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, and then millenim the Way the Stars makes

640
00:31:57.960 --> 00:31:58.680
<v Speaker 1>that guy's.

641
00:31:59.000 --> 00:32:01.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, then game worse. That's real good. But Sway the.

642
00:32:01.720 --> 00:32:05.440
<v Speaker 1>Stars essentially gives you, like a magic a secondary game

643
00:32:05.480 --> 00:32:06.200
<v Speaker 1>at seven life.

644
00:32:06.240 --> 00:32:09.279
<v Speaker 2>It's Shahara's Ad but for real stake.

645
00:32:09.400 --> 00:32:12.880
<v Speaker 1>And if Shahara is ad and Worldfire had a baby,

646
00:32:13.000 --> 00:32:15.000
<v Speaker 1>a star there it is there. It is fucking ban

647
00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:16.559
<v Speaker 1>them all and I could.

648
00:32:16.839 --> 00:32:18.839
<v Speaker 2>I used to play we talked about Worldfire. I used

649
00:32:18.839 --> 00:32:21.720
<v Speaker 2>to play Obliterate and Decree of Annihilation and the same deck.

650
00:32:22.200 --> 00:32:23.799
<v Speaker 2>And there was actually a game I was playing with

651
00:32:23.839 --> 00:32:26.440
<v Speaker 2>you and Jesse and I played both of them in

652
00:32:26.519 --> 00:32:28.519
<v Speaker 2>the same game and I lost.

653
00:32:29.160 --> 00:32:32.200
<v Speaker 1>Well, of course, could people try to pound you, slap

654
00:32:32.240 --> 00:32:34.440
<v Speaker 1>your lips into the dirt, stomp your dink.

655
00:32:34.920 --> 00:32:36.640
<v Speaker 2>Right through your butthole and it happened?

656
00:32:36.680 --> 00:32:38.640
<v Speaker 1>Turn it into an out up like an inny.

657
00:32:38.400 --> 00:32:41.119
<v Speaker 2>I look like a glove, yeah, side out glove.

658
00:32:41.799 --> 00:32:45.039
<v Speaker 1>With one finger, yeah, one finger the size of someone's arm.

659
00:32:45.079 --> 00:32:47.359
<v Speaker 2>That's right, it's the Sway of the Stars.

660
00:32:47.359 --> 00:32:49.279
<v Speaker 1>I think we can just last word on Sway the Star.

661
00:32:49.359 --> 00:32:51.720
<v Speaker 2>I think Sway of the Stars we could probably, Honestly,

662
00:32:51.720 --> 00:32:52.559
<v Speaker 2>I think we probably could.

663
00:32:52.599 --> 00:32:53.079
<v Speaker 1>On bann.

664
00:32:54.640 --> 00:32:57.440
<v Speaker 2>But I can see why it is banned.

665
00:32:57.599 --> 00:32:58.799
<v Speaker 1>I can see why it's banned.

666
00:32:58.839 --> 00:33:01.279
<v Speaker 2>Unbannit, but I think you probably get away with unbanning

667
00:33:01.279 --> 00:33:02.920
<v Speaker 2>that because somebody's gonna play at one time in their

668
00:33:02.960 --> 00:33:04.160
<v Speaker 2>friend group and people are just gonna like.

669
00:33:04.160 --> 00:33:06.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, ma, fuck you, yeah you know what? Hey, how

670
00:33:06.960 --> 00:33:10.640
<v Speaker 1>many games when it's turn eight? Would you mind like

671
00:33:11.000 --> 00:33:13.079
<v Speaker 1>playing a sudden death round? This is sudden death in

672
00:33:13.160 --> 00:33:15.759
<v Speaker 1>Super Smash Bros. Sway the Stars, Baby, we're all at

673
00:33:15.799 --> 00:33:16.400
<v Speaker 1>seven goal.

674
00:33:16.680 --> 00:33:17.920
<v Speaker 2>This isn't sudden death.

675
00:33:18.119 --> 00:33:19.799
<v Speaker 1>World wildfirea death.

676
00:33:19.920 --> 00:33:22.720
<v Speaker 2>This isn't sudden death. This is like restarting and you

677
00:33:22.799 --> 00:33:24.720
<v Speaker 2>have time to read because how often do you take

678
00:33:24.839 --> 00:33:26.720
<v Speaker 2>seven damage in the first four or five?

679
00:33:27.839 --> 00:33:29.960
<v Speaker 1>Get like I like, you know what Sway the Stars

680
00:33:29.960 --> 00:33:33.160
<v Speaker 1>makes commander feel like limited. Let's get your chip ins. Kids.

681
00:33:33.200 --> 00:33:34.079
<v Speaker 1>We always say that.

682
00:33:34.200 --> 00:33:35.000
<v Speaker 2>I hate limited.

683
00:33:37.279 --> 00:33:43.240
<v Speaker 1>Sway the Star. That's card Sylvan Primordial, this is the one.

684
00:33:43.279 --> 00:33:45.400
<v Speaker 1>This is Primetime is little brother, This.

685
00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:48.279
<v Speaker 2>Is prime This is primetimes little brother who had like

686
00:33:48.359 --> 00:33:50.559
<v Speaker 2>everything given to him when he was a little kid,

687
00:33:50.599 --> 00:33:51.920
<v Speaker 2>and now he's just an asshole.

688
00:33:52.039 --> 00:33:55.279
<v Speaker 1>Sylvan Primordial is Primetime sexy Sister. That's what I think.

689
00:33:55.559 --> 00:33:58.160
<v Speaker 2>I don't think he's I think he's the asshole little brother.

690
00:33:58.519 --> 00:34:00.000
<v Speaker 1>Let me read him, let me read them, read them.

691
00:34:00.039 --> 00:34:03.319
<v Speaker 2>He's a six eight Avatar or Green Green five with reach,

692
00:34:03.799 --> 00:34:07.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh giants with reach sisters given reach around love it

693
00:34:07.000 --> 00:34:10.440
<v Speaker 2>comes into play for each opponent you destroy target non

694
00:34:10.559 --> 00:34:15.239
<v Speaker 2>creature permanent. That player controls each opponent. Then me, the

695
00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:18.400
<v Speaker 2>controller of Silvern Primordial, searches through my deck for a

696
00:34:18.480 --> 00:34:21.920
<v Speaker 2>forest and puts it into play for each one of

697
00:34:21.960 --> 00:34:23.880
<v Speaker 2>those things, for each one of the things that I kill.

698
00:34:23.960 --> 00:34:26.039
<v Speaker 1>So you get like three things, yes, three fours, So

699
00:34:26.079 --> 00:34:28.920
<v Speaker 1>your guy costs like four for a six eight with reach.

700
00:34:29.079 --> 00:34:32.000
<v Speaker 2>Well they're they're tapped. Sure you can get read.

701
00:34:31.880 --> 00:34:34.159
<v Speaker 1>Get them on layaway, get them on lay away. It's fine. Yeah,

702
00:34:34.199 --> 00:34:36.159
<v Speaker 1>it's total mana spent versus gained.

703
00:34:36.199 --> 00:34:38.559
<v Speaker 2>Right, And this is also important. It's not a basic forest.

704
00:34:38.760 --> 00:34:42.880
<v Speaker 2>It's just a forest, so you can find trylands, shocklands,

705
00:34:42.960 --> 00:34:44.679
<v Speaker 2>dual lands, whatever you want.

706
00:34:44.679 --> 00:34:46.039
<v Speaker 1>It's pretty good. It's pretty good.

707
00:34:45.760 --> 00:34:46.679
<v Speaker 2>Ok very good.

708
00:34:46.880 --> 00:34:52.400
<v Speaker 1>This guy's good because he essentially this is better tear

709
00:34:52.440 --> 00:34:58.239
<v Speaker 1>astil dawn that gives your opponents zero benefits.

710
00:34:58.199 --> 00:35:01.199
<v Speaker 2>And gives you lots of all of the benefits. And

711
00:35:01.360 --> 00:35:04.400
<v Speaker 2>this thing can block it to Rastodon won't kill it,

712
00:35:04.559 --> 00:35:05.559
<v Speaker 2>but it won't die either.

713
00:35:06.719 --> 00:35:08.559
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Silvian Primordial. Very good.

714
00:35:08.679 --> 00:35:11.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I think that this one for the you see

715
00:35:12.000 --> 00:35:16.039
<v Speaker 2>all the arguments that we had for prime time. Not

716
00:35:16.280 --> 00:35:19.800
<v Speaker 2>actually I'm the primetime example is different.

717
00:35:19.880 --> 00:35:21.679
<v Speaker 1>I think people compare them too much.

718
00:35:21.800 --> 00:35:24.320
<v Speaker 2>I think that I think that people assume these cards

719
00:35:24.320 --> 00:35:27.559
<v Speaker 2>are too similar. This is much more close to Thundering Titan,

720
00:35:28.000 --> 00:35:30.280
<v Speaker 2>where if you have a way of recurring and playing

721
00:35:30.280 --> 00:35:32.559
<v Speaker 2>in a game, Green isn't that much far off of

722
00:35:32.559 --> 00:35:34.360
<v Speaker 2>being an artifact that I can think of four or

723
00:35:34.400 --> 00:35:36.639
<v Speaker 2>five cards off the top of my head that'll put

724
00:35:36.639 --> 00:35:39.280
<v Speaker 2>this back into my hand from the bin after I

725
00:35:39.360 --> 00:35:41.880
<v Speaker 2>sack it to make I don't know, seven man out.

726
00:35:41.760 --> 00:35:43.840
<v Speaker 1>Of never mind. You can play this a ratic portal

727
00:35:43.840 --> 00:35:45.679
<v Speaker 1>and you just paid bounce it and just don't pay

728
00:35:45.679 --> 00:35:47.719
<v Speaker 1>the one. Yeah, with a ratic portal and you just

729
00:35:47.719 --> 00:35:48.239
<v Speaker 1>played again.

730
00:35:48.360 --> 00:35:53.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you're getting so much advantage over time while

731
00:35:54.000 --> 00:35:57.599
<v Speaker 2>putting your opponents so far behind. I'm not saying it's

732
00:35:57.599 --> 00:36:00.440
<v Speaker 2>so egregious and so abusable. I think that Sun Titan

733
00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:04.679
<v Speaker 2>is a different level of magnitude of like bad card.

734
00:36:05.119 --> 00:36:08.880
<v Speaker 2>So maybe I could see unbanning this, but I kind of.

735
00:36:08.840 --> 00:36:11.760
<v Speaker 1>Don't want to. I like this little game that I

736
00:36:11.880 --> 00:36:15.039
<v Speaker 1>just made up with The last card is if Primetime

737
00:36:15.519 --> 00:36:18.559
<v Speaker 1>and Sundering Titan had a baby, it would be Silver Primordial. Yep,

738
00:36:18.679 --> 00:36:24.159
<v Speaker 1>almost exactly. You're splitting the Manecost exactly. You've got in

739
00:36:24.599 --> 00:36:30.760
<v Speaker 1>Silvern Primordial, you've got Primeval Titan's power, and you've got

740
00:36:30.800 --> 00:36:35.000
<v Speaker 1>the differential in power and toughness like Sundering Titan has.

741
00:36:35.400 --> 00:36:38.159
<v Speaker 1>You've got to destroy a bunch of stuff for each

742
00:36:38.199 --> 00:36:40.960
<v Speaker 1>opponent that Sundering Titan has, and you've got the fine

743
00:36:41.079 --> 00:36:42.800
<v Speaker 1>lands that Primeval Titan has.

744
00:36:43.320 --> 00:36:45.440
<v Speaker 2>And if people that's pretty cool. Hey, Brando, would you

745
00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:47.960
<v Speaker 2>play Silver Primordial. I have three Foil Ones that I

746
00:36:47.960 --> 00:36:50.360
<v Speaker 2>had to take out of decks immediately after they were banned.

747
00:36:50.360 --> 00:36:52.599
<v Speaker 2>So I have played this card. I've seen the look

748
00:36:53.400 --> 00:36:55.840
<v Speaker 2>on my friend's face has played this card, and I

749
00:36:56.000 --> 00:36:56.719
<v Speaker 2>don't miss it.

750
00:36:57.199 --> 00:36:57.679
<v Speaker 1>I have.

751
00:36:57.920 --> 00:36:58.760
<v Speaker 2>I will say that.

752
00:36:58.639 --> 00:37:02.840
<v Speaker 1>I took my Foil Primetime and my Foil Sylvan Primordial

753
00:37:02.880 --> 00:37:06.840
<v Speaker 1>out of the same deck when when they got banned sequentially,

754
00:37:08.519 --> 00:37:12.519
<v Speaker 1>and those were decks that just played green dumb idiots,

755
00:37:12.519 --> 00:37:15.679
<v Speaker 1>because I'm a dumb idiot and wasn't doing anything like

756
00:37:17.079 --> 00:37:19.639
<v Speaker 1>egregious with them. I was just playing them because they're

757
00:37:19.719 --> 00:37:25.599
<v Speaker 1>hyper powerful magic cards, and if you count on.

758
00:37:26.079 --> 00:37:27.719
<v Speaker 2>Its face, it does all those things that we said,

759
00:37:27.800 --> 00:37:30.039
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna I'm gonna channel Aidan a little bit. Okay,

760
00:37:30.039 --> 00:37:32.280
<v Speaker 2>my friend Aiden who loves the lands decks. If you

761
00:37:32.280 --> 00:37:34.039
<v Speaker 2>were to put this into a deck with say a

762
00:37:34.119 --> 00:37:37.639
<v Speaker 2>Scoot Swarm or a Onnath Locus of Rage or some

763
00:37:37.719 --> 00:37:41.800
<v Speaker 2>other landfall payoff that also gives you three additional landfall payoffs, yeah,

764
00:37:42.119 --> 00:37:45.760
<v Speaker 2>that could be backbreaking, depending on what you're looking at.

765
00:37:45.920 --> 00:37:48.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and man, you know what, I'm I'm always just

766
00:37:48.639 --> 00:37:54.199
<v Speaker 1>drawing comparisons on like cost elevation and abilities and how

767
00:37:54.400 --> 00:37:59.599
<v Speaker 1>powerful or what those abilities are. And it's like the

768
00:37:59.679 --> 00:38:02.880
<v Speaker 1>terrash On comparison I think is great, like last week's

769
00:38:02.920 --> 00:38:05.679
<v Speaker 1>Hullbreacher and notion Thief. Different things, different man of costs.

770
00:38:06.119 --> 00:38:07.239
<v Speaker 1>I know, I know, I know, I know, I know

771
00:38:07.320 --> 00:38:12.639
<v Speaker 1>they're not strict comparisons. But I can pay less Manna

772
00:38:12.760 --> 00:38:15.880
<v Speaker 1>to get a better effect than Tarastidon and still like

773
00:38:16.880 --> 00:38:20.599
<v Speaker 1>tussle with a tarrastd on, this card is clearly better

774
00:38:20.639 --> 00:38:22.920
<v Speaker 1>than that one, yes, and by a lot.

775
00:38:23.119 --> 00:38:26.119
<v Speaker 2>But at the same time, because less is almost as

776
00:38:26.159 --> 00:38:27.519
<v Speaker 2>big and does better stuff.

777
00:38:27.559 --> 00:38:32.440
<v Speaker 1>But at the same time, how much how much would

778
00:38:32.480 --> 00:38:34.199
<v Speaker 1>I see this card? Like? How much am I going

779
00:38:34.239 --> 00:38:35.840
<v Speaker 1>to run into this card? Not very much. I don't

780
00:38:35.840 --> 00:38:37.000
<v Speaker 1>think there's so many cards.

781
00:38:37.079 --> 00:38:39.039
<v Speaker 2>Well, how often do you run into Trastoedon?

782
00:38:39.280 --> 00:38:39.519
<v Speaker 1>Never?

783
00:38:39.920 --> 00:38:42.920
<v Speaker 2>I run into traston sometimes. But I don't know. I

784
00:38:42.960 --> 00:38:44.440
<v Speaker 2>think that people would play this.

785
00:38:44.440 --> 00:38:47.360
<v Speaker 1>Shit and they would have been absolutely they would abuse it.

786
00:38:47.599 --> 00:38:50.559
<v Speaker 1>They would abuse it, like like people assume TARMAGOI. There's

787
00:38:50.599 --> 00:38:52.880
<v Speaker 1>lots of money price memory, right, Yeah, tarmaguoif used to

788
00:38:52.880 --> 00:38:56.360
<v Speaker 1>one hundred dollars card, now it's six. People used to say, oh,

789
00:38:56.400 --> 00:38:59.159
<v Speaker 1>Silvi Primori is the best green card in commander and

790
00:38:59.159 --> 00:39:01.559
<v Speaker 1>people would be like, must be good. I'm gonna put

791
00:39:01.559 --> 00:39:03.000
<v Speaker 1>it in my deck, and then they find out Oh

792
00:39:03.079 --> 00:39:05.639
<v Speaker 1>fuck yeah it is. Yeah that's true. Yeah, that's what

793
00:39:05.679 --> 00:39:08.599
<v Speaker 1>they do. Okay, time Vault do we do?

794
00:39:09.239 --> 00:39:11.719
<v Speaker 2>I feel like time Vault is an obvious.

795
00:39:11.719 --> 00:39:13.400
<v Speaker 1>Stay banned because you take infinite turns with it.

796
00:39:13.639 --> 00:39:15.800
<v Speaker 2>Okay, it's infinite turns, right on it, as long as

797
00:39:15.840 --> 00:39:19.559
<v Speaker 2>you have a way to untap an artifact, which is like,

798
00:39:20.079 --> 00:39:21.320
<v Speaker 2>shut up and get out of here.

799
00:39:21.400 --> 00:39:23.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Time walk. We're not talking about Power nine because

800
00:39:23.639 --> 00:39:26.400
<v Speaker 1>time walk to extra turn for two minutes. Pret goody good,

801
00:39:26.519 --> 00:39:29.400
<v Speaker 1>especially if I fork it. Yeah, especially if I freakin

802
00:39:29.519 --> 00:39:31.360
<v Speaker 1>Narcetes reversal it, because then I can.

803
00:39:31.199 --> 00:39:33.320
<v Speaker 2>Do it again. See all the things we said about

804
00:39:33.360 --> 00:39:36.119
<v Speaker 2>Shahara's ad, but just for you and then you win

805
00:39:36.159 --> 00:39:36.440
<v Speaker 2>the game.

806
00:39:38.480 --> 00:39:42.559
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Tanker Tinker is I love this card.

807
00:39:42.679 --> 00:39:44.519
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'm gonna let me let me say my bit

808
00:39:44.559 --> 00:39:47.039
<v Speaker 2>on Tinker first and then your turn. So I think

809
00:39:47.039 --> 00:39:52.800
<v Speaker 2>that with Tinker it should stay banned because of the

810
00:39:52.840 --> 00:39:55.679
<v Speaker 2>same reasons that and I'm gonna cat shit for this

811
00:39:56.000 --> 00:39:59.400
<v Speaker 2>that Primetime should be banned because I think that Tinker,

812
00:39:59.639 --> 00:40:03.239
<v Speaker 2>if Eagle would limit design space when you're making commander

813
00:40:03.519 --> 00:40:06.760
<v Speaker 2>stuff because the instant you pick a super duper I

814
00:40:06.960 --> 00:40:12.559
<v Speaker 2>win immediately artifact card turn one every game tanker and

815
00:40:12.639 --> 00:40:16.519
<v Speaker 2>you can't have that. You just can't have that in existence.

816
00:40:16.519 --> 00:40:17.960
<v Speaker 2>Like I know there are other cards that do it,

817
00:40:18.679 --> 00:40:20.920
<v Speaker 2>but this is the one that they chose to get

818
00:40:21.000 --> 00:40:21.239
<v Speaker 2>rid of.

819
00:40:21.360 --> 00:40:23.559
<v Speaker 1>You could say that about jeweld Lotus too, right, if

820
00:40:23.559 --> 00:40:27.159
<v Speaker 1>there's some like two card with your Commander two card

821
00:40:27.480 --> 00:40:30.199
<v Speaker 1>with your three cost Commander, and you could do that

822
00:40:30.280 --> 00:40:33.760
<v Speaker 1>turn one with Jeweled Lotus and another man Rock like whatever,

823
00:40:34.360 --> 00:40:37.920
<v Speaker 1>It's like, Yeah, Jewel Lotus for that reason limits design

824
00:40:37.920 --> 00:40:41.039
<v Speaker 1>space on three drop commanders. The same can be said

825
00:40:41.119 --> 00:40:44.199
<v Speaker 1>of Tinker. Okay, so let's read it. It's a sorcery

826
00:40:44.239 --> 00:40:47.880
<v Speaker 1>for Blue two as an additional cost. Additional cost, mind

827
00:40:47.880 --> 00:40:50.239
<v Speaker 1>you not part of the effect. Additional cost sack an

828
00:40:50.320 --> 00:40:52.360
<v Speaker 1>artifact and then what you do is search your library

829
00:40:52.400 --> 00:40:55.840
<v Speaker 1>for an artifact card and put that onto the battlefield.

830
00:40:56.480 --> 00:40:59.679
<v Speaker 1>So Tinker blight Steel or Tinker Dark Steel was the

831
00:40:59.840 --> 00:41:02.440
<v Speaker 1>like vintage Combo a long time ago because it's two puncher,

832
00:41:02.920 --> 00:41:06.039
<v Speaker 1>but then it became tinkerd blite Steel because a one

833
00:41:06.079 --> 00:41:09.679
<v Speaker 1>puncher because it deals eleven infect to you, and that's

834
00:41:09.679 --> 00:41:12.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm trying like one that same exact thing would actually

835
00:41:12.480 --> 00:41:14.599
<v Speaker 1>happen quite a bit in Commander. I think if you

836
00:41:14.679 --> 00:41:16.800
<v Speaker 1>open your hand, if you open the game with Tinker

837
00:41:16.840 --> 00:41:18.320
<v Speaker 1>and a Man of Rock, you can get your dark

838
00:41:18.400 --> 00:41:21.360
<v Speaker 1>Steel out on turn two because lo and behold you

839
00:41:21.400 --> 00:41:24.360
<v Speaker 1>sacrifice the artifact Man of Rock, you already have it

840
00:41:24.480 --> 00:41:24.960
<v Speaker 1>built in.

841
00:41:25.280 --> 00:41:28.119
<v Speaker 2>And then you play the artifact lands and Bob is

842
00:41:28.119 --> 00:41:32.079
<v Speaker 2>my uncle, which is still true yep, and like yeah,

843
00:41:32.119 --> 00:41:35.880
<v Speaker 2>and the most powerful artifacts haven't even been printed yet,

844
00:41:36.079 --> 00:41:39.519
<v Speaker 2>but they're coming. And I think that Tinker is like

845
00:41:39.559 --> 00:41:44.079
<v Speaker 2>a little because somebody's like, Tinker, what if they Tinker

846
00:41:44.119 --> 00:41:46.559
<v Speaker 2>this into play you guys, and we can't print this

847
00:41:46.840 --> 00:41:50.800
<v Speaker 2>ludicrous doctor Octopus's arms card, and I know that they've

848
00:41:50.800 --> 00:41:51.360
<v Speaker 2>already spoiled.

849
00:41:51.679 --> 00:41:55.599
<v Speaker 1>Octopus is smelling arm pit tight eight, It's just octo pit.

850
00:41:56.039 --> 00:41:57.800
<v Speaker 2>Right. Then there's then the people who are paying them

851
00:41:57.840 --> 00:42:00.480
<v Speaker 2>all the money to advertise on all the matter cards

852
00:42:00.480 --> 00:42:02.599
<v Speaker 2>are gonna be mad because their cards aren't very good

853
00:42:02.639 --> 00:42:07.159
<v Speaker 2>because they left Tinker legal and because money, Hey, the secret.

854
00:42:07.239 --> 00:42:09.800
<v Speaker 1>Secret Layer Tinker with just different arts from all the

855
00:42:09.840 --> 00:42:13.000
<v Speaker 1>different universes. Beyond that, we can tutor broken artifacts from

856
00:42:13.239 --> 00:42:18.320
<v Speaker 1>Doctor Octopus's armput freaking bilbol Beggin's dildo. I mean, man,

857
00:42:18.599 --> 00:42:23.440
<v Speaker 1>it's the list is endless, freaking Tifa Lockhart's bra. Yes,

858
00:42:23.519 --> 00:42:25.519
<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say butt plug. Haven't made a butt

859
00:42:25.519 --> 00:42:28.880
<v Speaker 1>plug or a cam girl joking years that's a long time. Wow.

860
00:42:29.079 --> 00:42:32.000
<v Speaker 1>The C and C CEO the first C stands for camgirl?

861
00:42:32.159 --> 00:42:33.880
<v Speaker 2>Is that true?

862
00:42:33.880 --> 00:42:36.840
<v Speaker 1>That's my story. I'm sticking to it, all right, Tinker.

863
00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:40.440
<v Speaker 1>I love this card. It's super cool. I uh, gun

864
00:42:40.440 --> 00:42:42.280
<v Speaker 1>to your head? We did this last week. Gun to

865
00:42:42.320 --> 00:42:47.559
<v Speaker 1>your head Tinker or Panoptic Mirror? Who's staying banned?

866
00:42:48.440 --> 00:42:48.840
<v Speaker 2>Tinker?

867
00:42:49.400 --> 00:42:53.679
<v Speaker 1>Tinker or Paradox Engine? Who's staying banned? Who? Fuck?

868
00:42:53.760 --> 00:42:57.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a good one, because you're just gonna tinker

869
00:42:57.440 --> 00:43:02.559
<v Speaker 2>for the mirror or you're gonna tinker for the fucking

870
00:43:02.679 --> 00:43:03.840
<v Speaker 2>So I would still leave Tinker band.

871
00:43:03.880 --> 00:43:06.280
<v Speaker 1>Tinker Band, all right, Tinker band. You heard it here first.

872
00:43:06.360 --> 00:43:09.400
<v Speaker 1>He wants Paradox Engine unbanned. He wants it unbanned?

873
00:43:09.840 --> 00:43:12.360
<v Speaker 2>Sure, I mean I do so.

874
00:43:12.440 --> 00:43:13.480
<v Speaker 1>They're an academy.

875
00:43:13.719 --> 00:43:17.920
<v Speaker 2>Gotta leave a band. And here's why Cradles unbanned. Cradle

876
00:43:17.960 --> 00:43:19.639
<v Speaker 2>and Sarah Sanctum are both unbanned.

877
00:43:19.639 --> 00:43:24.440
<v Speaker 3>That is true, but Raft's Edges unbanned, shiven Gorges unbanned,

878
00:43:25.199 --> 00:43:30.400
<v Speaker 3>Rat's Edge, different cycle, but shiven Gorges Tower and Tower

879
00:43:30.519 --> 00:43:31.360
<v Speaker 3>it's unbanned.

880
00:43:32.159 --> 00:43:36.039
<v Speaker 2>You're looking. There's too many artifactoe. Every fucking set comes

881
00:43:36.039 --> 00:43:40.880
<v Speaker 2>out with scrap, junk, blood clue, butt plug. But there's

882
00:43:40.920 --> 00:43:44.039
<v Speaker 2>so many fucking artifact tokens, and they're so easy to

883
00:43:44.119 --> 00:43:47.000
<v Speaker 2>make because some of them are so goddamn.

884
00:43:46.440 --> 00:43:52.199
<v Speaker 1>Bass zero drops, jeweled bird, jeweled butt plug, jeweled artifact lands.

885
00:43:52.199 --> 00:43:54.920
<v Speaker 1>None of those are banned, and there's like fifteen of them. Now.

886
00:43:54.960 --> 00:43:57.400
<v Speaker 2>There has never been a game where I play the

887
00:43:57.559 --> 00:44:00.360
<v Speaker 2>is it Enchantment that makes treasures and then flip over

888
00:44:00.360 --> 00:44:05.079
<v Speaker 2>into a Tilarian Academy that I have not one immediately

889
00:44:05.280 --> 00:44:07.559
<v Speaker 2>upon slip flipping that n not a single one.

890
00:44:07.679 --> 00:44:09.880
<v Speaker 1>You said that last week about a card too. Never

891
00:44:09.960 --> 00:44:12.599
<v Speaker 1>have I cast this card and not one. I only

892
00:44:12.639 --> 00:44:13.800
<v Speaker 1>have one card like that.

893
00:44:13.840 --> 00:44:18.280
<v Speaker 2>There's a because it's Tilarian Academy, as you know, because

894
00:44:18.280 --> 00:44:22.119
<v Speaker 2>you've played it in Commander is so fucking strong in

895
00:44:22.360 --> 00:44:27.599
<v Speaker 2>just an incidentally artifactory deck, and I played in Brutoclad

896
00:44:27.639 --> 00:44:29.960
<v Speaker 2>because brutal Clad just makes tokens, you know, most of

897
00:44:29.960 --> 00:44:31.159
<v Speaker 2>those tokens are artifacts.

898
00:44:31.159 --> 00:44:34.880
<v Speaker 1>You know what comparison I really like? Everybody says Guy's

899
00:44:35.000 --> 00:44:41.199
<v Speaker 1>Cradle and Sarah's Sanctum, while Sarah's Sanctum gives you white

900
00:44:41.239 --> 00:44:46.440
<v Speaker 1>off of enchantments. Enchantments usually cost more than one or

901
00:44:46.440 --> 00:44:50.800
<v Speaker 1>two mana usually correct, and creatures die lots and creatures

902
00:44:51.199 --> 00:44:54.760
<v Speaker 1>usually cost more than one or two mana for Guy's Cradle. Okay,

903
00:44:56.280 --> 00:45:00.760
<v Speaker 1>Silarian Academy, he get artifact lands smart against big red

904
00:45:00.760 --> 00:45:03.519
<v Speaker 1>ex But you know what I think a really good

905
00:45:03.519 --> 00:45:07.639
<v Speaker 1>comparison for Claring Academy is is dock Side Extortionist or

906
00:45:07.800 --> 00:45:13.840
<v Speaker 1>channel yea cards in your hand. But listen to this. Listen, yeah, exactly,

907
00:45:13.920 --> 00:45:18.079
<v Speaker 1>listen to this. Though generally Dockside is good because generally

908
00:45:18.559 --> 00:45:22.800
<v Speaker 1>people play artifacts in their commander deck, right, and generally

909
00:45:23.039 --> 00:45:26.280
<v Speaker 1>Hilaried Academy is good because I play artifacts in my

910
00:45:26.320 --> 00:45:29.840
<v Speaker 1>own deck. That's why Dockside's good. Remember, imagine if I

911
00:45:29.960 --> 00:45:32.960
<v Speaker 1>had a land that I could probably tutor for search

912
00:45:33.000 --> 00:45:35.199
<v Speaker 1>for if I'm playing Black, tutor for land. If I'm

913
00:45:35.239 --> 00:45:37.719
<v Speaker 1>playing Green and I would want to play those two

914
00:45:37.800 --> 00:45:42.000
<v Speaker 1>colors along with my blue deck, I can just add

915
00:45:42.000 --> 00:45:45.119
<v Speaker 1>in a whole bunch of artifacts and just like you say,

916
00:45:45.440 --> 00:45:49.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm playing magic and now my island actually taps for ten. Yeah,

917
00:45:50.199 --> 00:45:51.719
<v Speaker 1>and it might be like turn.

918
00:45:51.559 --> 00:45:53.719
<v Speaker 2>Three yeah, oh yeah, that's pretty bad.

919
00:45:54.800 --> 00:45:57.079
<v Speaker 1>I want this card unbanned so badly.

920
00:45:57.239 --> 00:45:59.400
<v Speaker 2>I would love to say we should unban this, but

921
00:45:59.679 --> 00:46:01.960
<v Speaker 2>you can't. You can for unbanned till they'ren account.

922
00:46:02.159 --> 00:46:02.440
<v Speaker 1>You can't.

923
00:46:02.519 --> 00:46:06.239
<v Speaker 2>You can't. It's it's too strong, frick. It has nothing

924
00:46:06.280 --> 00:46:08.679
<v Speaker 2>to do with the cost, this game reserve list, It

925
00:46:08.679 --> 00:46:10.440
<v Speaker 2>has nothing to do with anything. It's the fact that

926
00:46:10.519 --> 00:46:13.000
<v Speaker 2>this card is too good on turn one because it

927
00:46:13.039 --> 00:46:14.360
<v Speaker 2>all that cares about his artifact.

928
00:46:14.440 --> 00:46:15.880
<v Speaker 1>I got one burned in a hole in a good

929
00:46:15.880 --> 00:46:17.320
<v Speaker 1>box waiting for it to get unbanned.

930
00:46:17.360 --> 00:46:19.760
<v Speaker 2>It's not gonna frick. It's gonna keep burning that whole baby.

931
00:46:19.840 --> 00:46:26.320
<v Speaker 1>Play legacy merely restricted.

932
00:46:26.519 --> 00:46:30.480
<v Speaker 2>Yes, they one of them invented, because that's life.

933
00:46:30.159 --> 00:46:32.400
<v Speaker 1>In your sixty card deck. Okay, this is a fun card.

934
00:46:32.480 --> 00:46:33.440
<v Speaker 1>I actually like this card.

935
00:46:33.639 --> 00:46:34.880
<v Speaker 2>I played this card in lots of deck.

936
00:46:34.960 --> 00:46:39.320
<v Speaker 1>This is trade secrets. This is a sorcery for blue

937
00:46:39.519 --> 00:46:44.079
<v Speaker 1>Blue one and it says draw up to four cards. Okay,

938
00:46:44.599 --> 00:46:47.159
<v Speaker 1>one of your opponents pick an opponent, they draw two

939
00:46:47.920 --> 00:46:50.960
<v Speaker 1>every time that they repeat this process, and I can

940
00:46:51.039 --> 00:46:52.599
<v Speaker 1>draw up to four a game.

941
00:46:52.719 --> 00:46:55.079
<v Speaker 2>They can draw two as many times as they want,

942
00:46:55.159 --> 00:46:57.719
<v Speaker 2>and every time they do, we can draw four or

943
00:46:57.760 --> 00:47:01.280
<v Speaker 2>three or two or one or none. Yes, and everybody draws.

944
00:47:01.360 --> 00:47:04.519
<v Speaker 1>The reason it's banned is because a little bit it

945
00:47:04.679 --> 00:47:08.639
<v Speaker 1>created lopsided power kind of or like power and balances,

946
00:47:08.639 --> 00:47:12.079
<v Speaker 1>where if I target Brando, I say draw two. Oh yeah, okay,

947
00:47:12.119 --> 00:47:14.360
<v Speaker 1>I draw four. You want to go again. Oh yeah,

948
00:47:14.440 --> 00:47:17.599
<v Speaker 1>I go again. You gonna go again, And that would

949
00:47:17.679 --> 00:47:20.320
<v Speaker 1>go on until I've got like sixty cards in my hand.

950
00:47:20.360 --> 00:47:22.599
<v Speaker 1>He's got twenty. He found his combo piece. I found

951
00:47:22.639 --> 00:47:25.840
<v Speaker 1>fifteen of my combo pieces. And because it's my turn,

952
00:47:26.039 --> 00:47:28.679
<v Speaker 1>I'll just play my hand of forty. And if I'm

953
00:47:28.719 --> 00:47:32.599
<v Speaker 1>playing anything that doesn't make me discard or wants me

954
00:47:32.679 --> 00:47:37.360
<v Speaker 1>to discard, I have it all. I've just won. I've

955
00:47:37.400 --> 00:47:40.000
<v Speaker 1>just won because he wanted to draw cards, and we

956
00:47:40.119 --> 00:47:42.760
<v Speaker 1>both get greedy. If I don't win, he's probably gonna win,

957
00:47:43.440 --> 00:47:47.679
<v Speaker 1>and it just it turned into not a fun card

958
00:47:47.760 --> 00:47:51.960
<v Speaker 1>to play against, even though it was fun in theory

959
00:47:52.000 --> 00:47:52.239
<v Speaker 1>to do.

960
00:47:52.679 --> 00:47:55.440
<v Speaker 2>Let me hit you with the the very dark side

961
00:47:55.480 --> 00:47:56.239
<v Speaker 2>of trade secret.

962
00:47:56.320 --> 00:47:58.719
<v Speaker 1>Ooh, the deep Web trade secret.

963
00:47:58.840 --> 00:48:01.880
<v Speaker 2>Let's say Ryan and Brando show up to a competitive

964
00:48:02.119 --> 00:48:03.880
<v Speaker 2>four prizes event.

965
00:48:04.239 --> 00:48:06.400
<v Speaker 1>Yes, that we had to pay money to enter.

966
00:48:06.400 --> 00:48:08.800
<v Speaker 2>That we had to pay money to enter, And now

967
00:48:08.840 --> 00:48:11.159
<v Speaker 2>we're both playing trade secrets in our decks. Yes, and

968
00:48:11.199 --> 00:48:13.599
<v Speaker 2>we've agreed going into the building that day that we're

969
00:48:13.599 --> 00:48:15.800
<v Speaker 2>gonna split all of our prizes and we're gonna make

970
00:48:15.800 --> 00:48:17.920
<v Speaker 2>sure that we're in the same pods all day.

971
00:48:18.440 --> 00:48:19.280
<v Speaker 1>As much as we can.

972
00:48:19.440 --> 00:48:22.599
<v Speaker 2>Trade secrets allows us to collude with one another to

973
00:48:22.760 --> 00:48:26.199
<v Speaker 2>essentially remove the other two players from the game, because

974
00:48:26.280 --> 00:48:28.880
<v Speaker 2>Ryan's gonna play it and win, and if he doesn't,

975
00:48:29.199 --> 00:48:31.320
<v Speaker 2>I'm probably gonna win because the other two players are

976
00:48:31.320 --> 00:48:33.800
<v Speaker 2>going to use their resources up stopping him. So they

977
00:48:33.840 --> 00:48:36.760
<v Speaker 2>had nothing left to stop me, because we have drawn

978
00:48:36.960 --> 00:48:38.000
<v Speaker 2>everything we need.

979
00:48:38.000 --> 00:48:40.800
<v Speaker 1>Exactly and if they did have resources, while so does

980
00:48:40.840 --> 00:48:43.719
<v Speaker 1>the guy, the other guy that trade secreted, who just

981
00:48:43.800 --> 00:48:45.440
<v Speaker 1>drew twenty or thirty cards.

982
00:48:45.199 --> 00:48:48.559
<v Speaker 2>And that's like, that's the ceiling of scumbag of how

983
00:48:48.840 --> 00:48:52.199
<v Speaker 2>trade secrets can be used. But we have both played

984
00:48:52.639 --> 00:48:55.480
<v Speaker 2>sorry friends in Calgary, have played in Calgary enough to

985
00:48:55.519 --> 00:48:57.079
<v Speaker 2>know that that shit would go on.

986
00:48:57.280 --> 00:48:59.920
<v Speaker 1>That and that would not absolutely go on for sure.

987
00:49:00.920 --> 00:49:04.840
<v Speaker 1>The fun side of trade secrets, the reason that I alway, yeah, yeah,

988
00:49:04.880 --> 00:49:08.920
<v Speaker 1>super fun. The reason I would like pick it for

989
00:49:08.960 --> 00:49:11.079
<v Speaker 1>it to be un banned is think of when I've

990
00:49:11.119 --> 00:49:15.519
<v Speaker 1>got my consecrated Sphinx and you clone my consecrated Sphinx,

991
00:49:15.840 --> 00:49:17.840
<v Speaker 1>and when I draw you draw two. When you draw two,

992
00:49:17.840 --> 00:49:19.360
<v Speaker 1>I draw four. When I draw four, you draw eight,

993
00:49:19.400 --> 00:49:21.800
<v Speaker 1>and it goes and goes and goes until somebody's like, okay,

994
00:49:21.800 --> 00:49:23.760
<v Speaker 1>hold on a second, I'm just gonna kill both of them,

995
00:49:24.079 --> 00:49:27.400
<v Speaker 1>and you guys have to discard, or even better, one time,

996
00:49:27.400 --> 00:49:30.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm playing FuG Off and I go trades Jeff trade secrets.

997
00:49:30.360 --> 00:49:34.599
<v Speaker 1>He goes, oh, okay, we just start going, and he

998
00:49:34.760 --> 00:49:37.559
<v Speaker 1>drew thirty five cards or something, thirty six cards or

999
00:49:37.599 --> 00:49:39.400
<v Speaker 1>something until he found He's like, okay, I've got my

1000
00:49:39.480 --> 00:49:42.159
<v Speaker 1>combo piece. I go. Has everybody tapped out? Yeah, Jeff

1001
00:49:42.199 --> 00:49:45.559
<v Speaker 1>you yeah, I go. Cerebral Vortex target player takes damage

1002
00:49:45.559 --> 00:49:47.719
<v Speaker 1>equal to numbers of cards they drew this turn. He

1003
00:49:47.840 --> 00:49:50.679
<v Speaker 1>took thirty six and just died. He's like, oh, it's

1004
00:49:50.719 --> 00:49:52.920
<v Speaker 1>pretty good. I was like, yeah, I was hoping you'd

1005
00:49:53.000 --> 00:49:56.519
<v Speaker 1>keep going until I drew that to fucking get you. Yeah,

1006
00:49:56.559 --> 00:49:59.039
<v Speaker 1>and I got him, and that kind of stuff exists

1007
00:49:59.679 --> 00:50:03.480
<v Speaker 1>in punishes people for being greedy, much like four or

1008
00:50:03.519 --> 00:50:05.159
<v Speaker 1>five color decks when they get blood mooned.

1009
00:50:05.400 --> 00:50:05.639
<v Speaker 2>Yep.

1010
00:50:06.159 --> 00:50:09.000
<v Speaker 1>And if you want to get greedy with trade secrets,

1011
00:50:09.079 --> 00:50:13.280
<v Speaker 1>like maybe you're gonna pay the price. But because of

1012
00:50:13.320 --> 00:50:17.159
<v Speaker 1>the collusion, because of the unfunness for two players at

1013
00:50:17.159 --> 00:50:20.440
<v Speaker 1>the table. If something's unfun for three players and they

1014
00:50:20.480 --> 00:50:23.800
<v Speaker 1>all bandy together to kill the one player who's playing

1015
00:50:23.840 --> 00:50:26.880
<v Speaker 1>stacks at a casual table as an example, sure I

1016
00:50:27.199 --> 00:50:29.320
<v Speaker 1>don't mind that. That's because somebody's got to be the

1017
00:50:29.320 --> 00:50:29.760
<v Speaker 1>bad guy.

1018
00:50:29.880 --> 00:50:32.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, people figure that you'll figure the puzzle, you'll get them.

1019
00:50:32.119 --> 00:50:34.280
<v Speaker 1>Trade secrets allows two guys to be the bad guy

1020
00:50:34.360 --> 00:50:37.840
<v Speaker 1>and just take a shit right into somebody's mouth.

1021
00:50:37.880 --> 00:50:40.119
<v Speaker 2>They're just a mango sized shit right next to the

1022
00:50:40.159 --> 00:50:43.519
<v Speaker 2>prize pile. And then they their partner while the other

1023
00:50:43.519 --> 00:50:45.920
<v Speaker 2>guy's shitting and you're so horrified, their partner just takes

1024
00:50:45.920 --> 00:50:48.840
<v Speaker 2>the prizes. Yes, So I think that trade Secrets should

1025
00:50:48.840 --> 00:50:51.840
<v Speaker 2>be banned, not because of what it does, but because

1026
00:50:51.880 --> 00:50:55.920
<v Speaker 2>how I think it would probably be used. And that's

1027
00:50:55.920 --> 00:50:58.679
<v Speaker 2>not an indictment on anybody, but I feel like we

1028
00:50:58.760 --> 00:51:00.639
<v Speaker 2>all can see the clue happening.

1029
00:51:00.760 --> 00:51:03.320
<v Speaker 1>Man, we are hitting up some heavy hitters. Our next

1030
00:51:03.320 --> 00:51:07.960
<v Speaker 1>card is upheaval return all permanence to their owner's hand.

1031
00:51:08.400 --> 00:51:11.039
<v Speaker 1>This is essentially Sway of the Stars, except you have

1032
00:51:11.079 --> 00:51:13.599
<v Speaker 1>to discard a whole bunch. This is essentially Sway the

1033
00:51:13.639 --> 00:51:19.000
<v Speaker 1>Stars or Worldfire or Sundering Titan, except you don't like

1034
00:51:19.920 --> 00:51:21.079
<v Speaker 1>it's just a different version of that.

1035
00:51:21.159 --> 00:51:25.000
<v Speaker 2>Right, it's psych rift, but it hits you two and

1036
00:51:25.039 --> 00:51:25.840
<v Speaker 2>it hits lands.

1037
00:51:26.519 --> 00:51:29.159
<v Speaker 1>Return all permanence to their owner's hand for Blue Blue

1038
00:51:29.199 --> 00:51:30.400
<v Speaker 1>four at sourcery speed.

1039
00:51:30.480 --> 00:51:33.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so like you that what you do to play

1040
00:51:33.519 --> 00:51:35.679
<v Speaker 2>this card? The argument, Well, here's what I'm gonna do.

1041
00:51:36.119 --> 00:51:38.719
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna tap all my shit. I'm gonna use six

1042
00:51:38.760 --> 00:51:41.480
<v Speaker 2>of my ships to upheaval, and i'm gonna replay all

1043
00:51:41.480 --> 00:51:45.320
<v Speaker 2>my shit again, and you're gonna go land discard down

1044
00:51:45.320 --> 00:51:50.119
<v Speaker 2>to seven probably go right, And it has the same

1045
00:51:50.239 --> 00:51:52.480
<v Speaker 2>kind of an impact on a game as a psych

1046
00:51:52.559 --> 00:51:57.079
<v Speaker 2>rift does, but it can't be used as strategically and

1047
00:51:57.199 --> 00:52:00.679
<v Speaker 2>would probably just end up as like a one insided

1048
00:52:01.199 --> 00:52:03.639
<v Speaker 2>kind of a drawn out slog until the person that

1049
00:52:03.679 --> 00:52:07.079
<v Speaker 2>played up Evil probably wins the game. Yeah, unless you're

1050
00:52:07.079 --> 00:52:09.559
<v Speaker 2>playing again. We talked to him last week. The Chaos Gremlins,

1051
00:52:09.599 --> 00:52:13.239
<v Speaker 2>the griefers that just play up evil and fuck those people. Yeah.

1052
00:52:13.559 --> 00:52:16.679
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, strategically it was popular and standard like back in

1053
00:52:16.719 --> 00:52:20.760
<v Speaker 1>two thousand and one or two, because you could upheaval

1054
00:52:21.239 --> 00:52:25.000
<v Speaker 1>and then recast your psychotog, and psychotogue allows you to

1055
00:52:25.119 --> 00:52:27.440
<v Speaker 1>discard cards to pump it and then exile cards from

1056
00:52:27.440 --> 00:52:30.079
<v Speaker 1>your graveyard to pump it again. So you would just

1057
00:52:30.239 --> 00:52:33.639
<v Speaker 1>upheaval your whole board, discard down to just like make

1058
00:52:33.679 --> 00:52:35.960
<v Speaker 1>it an eight eight and then make it a twelve

1059
00:52:36.039 --> 00:52:38.039
<v Speaker 1>twelve and like two punch them or whatever. Right, Like,

1060
00:52:38.679 --> 00:52:42.880
<v Speaker 1>that's how upheaval psychotog worked in standard back then. But

1061
00:52:43.639 --> 00:52:52.559
<v Speaker 1>unless you're specifically leveraging discarding and exiling your graveyard or man,

1062
00:52:52.679 --> 00:52:54.719
<v Speaker 1>I like, I can't see any ways to play this

1063
00:52:55.519 --> 00:52:59.559
<v Speaker 1>that are a fun parody break or a fun puzzle

1064
00:52:59.559 --> 00:53:02.639
<v Speaker 1>for your sents to solve, like trying to fight through

1065
00:53:02.679 --> 00:53:05.920
<v Speaker 1>a stacks lock is. Yeah, there's just no way to

1066
00:53:06.000 --> 00:53:10.320
<v Speaker 1>do it because it is so one sided. And man,

1067
00:53:13.239 --> 00:53:16.960
<v Speaker 1>I want to I want to say unbanned because it

1068
00:53:17.000 --> 00:53:19.800
<v Speaker 1>does make one guy the bad guy. Yeah, it does

1069
00:53:19.920 --> 00:53:20.199
<v Speaker 1>do that.

1070
00:53:20.320 --> 00:53:22.280
<v Speaker 2>Yes, it does all the things that we've talked about

1071
00:53:22.280 --> 00:53:23.800
<v Speaker 2>when you're gonna be the bad guy. But I think

1072
00:53:23.800 --> 00:53:26.400
<v Speaker 2>this does it in such a way that it just

1073
00:53:27.239 --> 00:53:28.000
<v Speaker 2>fuck it sucks.

1074
00:53:28.039 --> 00:53:29.880
<v Speaker 1>What do you win? What do you want? Banning Sway

1075
00:53:29.920 --> 00:53:31.199
<v Speaker 1>the Stars are upheovle.

1076
00:53:32.320 --> 00:53:33.000
<v Speaker 2>Sway the Stars?

1077
00:53:33.360 --> 00:53:36.000
<v Speaker 1>I would I would rather Sway the Stars because it

1078
00:53:36.039 --> 00:53:37.800
<v Speaker 1>puts everybody to seven. And then you're playing like a

1079
00:53:37.840 --> 00:53:40.880
<v Speaker 1>little mini game. Yeah it's hair is that minigame.

1080
00:53:41.000 --> 00:53:43.960
<v Speaker 2>There's some actual parody there, whereas upeval is just again

1081
00:53:44.039 --> 00:53:47.800
<v Speaker 2>it's that slow fucking grind you to death. Probably.

1082
00:53:47.880 --> 00:53:50.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna tap my Tilarian Academy for seventeen.

1083
00:53:51.000 --> 00:53:52.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna UPEVL then replay all my stuff.

1084
00:53:52.960 --> 00:53:57.039
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna replay all my zero cost there's Tilarian Academy again. Right,

1085
00:53:57.159 --> 00:53:59.480
<v Speaker 2>Why is Hilarian Academy still banned? Oh well, let me

1086
00:53:59.519 --> 00:54:00.719
<v Speaker 2>explain it to you, bro.

1087
00:54:01.039 --> 00:54:05.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to tap Tillary Academy for twenty one. I'm

1088
00:54:05.280 --> 00:54:08.679
<v Speaker 1>going to Upheaval floating fifteen cast emmera cool.

1089
00:54:09.440 --> 00:54:12.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that'll do it. Oh that'll do, pig, that'll do.

1090
00:54:13.000 --> 00:54:15.599
<v Speaker 1>That'll do Okay, So if you want that, let's unban

1091
00:54:15.719 --> 00:54:20.880
<v Speaker 1>all three of those cards. Okay. Final card. I love

1092
00:54:21.199 --> 00:54:23.320
<v Speaker 1>love love this card, and.

1093
00:54:23.239 --> 00:54:26.840
<v Speaker 2>I honestly I as we usually do with lists. I

1094
00:54:26.840 --> 00:54:30.239
<v Speaker 2>feel like the last card I think is I'm going

1095
00:54:30.320 --> 00:54:34.559
<v Speaker 2>to say it the least offensive of the bunge.

1096
00:54:35.679 --> 00:54:39.239
<v Speaker 1>I do yog Moth's bargain. I love this card. I

1097
00:54:39.280 --> 00:54:40.920
<v Speaker 1>love the art, I love the effect. I love the

1098
00:54:40.960 --> 00:54:42.880
<v Speaker 1>set that it's from. I love that it's an enchantment.

1099
00:54:42.920 --> 00:54:45.039
<v Speaker 1>I love the man of cost. It's black black four

1100
00:54:45.480 --> 00:54:47.960
<v Speaker 1>for an enchantment that says two lines of texting you

1101
00:54:48.000 --> 00:54:50.280
<v Speaker 1>notes gooday, notes good when all it's got to do

1102
00:54:50.440 --> 00:54:53.599
<v Speaker 1>is say two freakin' things and it's banned. Okay, skip

1103
00:54:53.639 --> 00:54:57.639
<v Speaker 1>your drawstep suck. Yeah, I'm listening. I'm listening. Hit me up,

1104
00:54:57.800 --> 00:54:59.719
<v Speaker 1>pay one life, draw card.

1105
00:54:59.800 --> 00:55:01.239
<v Speaker 2>Oh oh shit.

1106
00:55:01.280 --> 00:55:05.960
<v Speaker 1>Aka ramp to six, pay thirty nine, draw half your deck,

1107
00:55:06.079 --> 00:55:06.719
<v Speaker 1>win the game.

1108
00:55:07.199 --> 00:55:11.559
<v Speaker 2>Yes on like turn two. Yes, fuck, that's a good card.

1109
00:55:12.559 --> 00:55:14.000
<v Speaker 1>Man. I like that card. I wish I could play

1110
00:55:14.039 --> 00:55:14.719
<v Speaker 1>that card now.

1111
00:55:15.280 --> 00:55:17.800
<v Speaker 2>I think that this should be on band Yeah me too,

1112
00:55:17.960 --> 00:55:18.159
<v Speaker 2>I do.

1113
00:55:18.280 --> 00:55:19.239
<v Speaker 1>I want it to be on BET.

1114
00:55:19.360 --> 00:55:20.800
<v Speaker 2>I think it should be on Bend, not because I

1115
00:55:20.800 --> 00:55:23.599
<v Speaker 2>think it's awesome and not because I like it or whateverybody.

1116
00:55:23.599 --> 00:55:27.480
<v Speaker 2>And if you can play slow this which is necropotence

1117
00:55:28.760 --> 00:55:32.320
<v Speaker 2>significantly slower, not the same card, but I'm gonna use

1118
00:55:32.360 --> 00:55:34.119
<v Speaker 2>the use it as an example because it kind of

1119
00:55:34.159 --> 00:55:38.280
<v Speaker 2>does the same thing. I just don't think that yag

1120
00:55:38.280 --> 00:55:41.360
<v Speaker 2>Matt's bargigain at six manna as an enchantment is that

1121
00:55:41.519 --> 00:55:44.079
<v Speaker 2>egregious that it couldn't be a game changer.

1122
00:55:44.639 --> 00:55:47.079
<v Speaker 1>I think that this could be a game changer when

1123
00:55:47.119 --> 00:55:51.639
<v Speaker 1>you compare this to ad nauseum ad nauseum. I know

1124
00:55:51.679 --> 00:55:55.000
<v Speaker 1>you take zero for drawing land, but you also take

1125
00:55:55.320 --> 00:55:57.480
<v Speaker 1>one or two or three or four or five or

1126
00:55:57.519 --> 00:56:01.440
<v Speaker 1>six for drawing other things in your deck. So probably

1127
00:56:01.559 --> 00:56:06.000
<v Speaker 1>Yogmoth's bargain is a frickin' bargain. If you want to

1128
00:56:06.079 --> 00:56:08.519
<v Speaker 1>draw twenty five cards, I'll bet because you know it's

1129
00:56:08.559 --> 00:56:11.239
<v Speaker 1>twenty five life every single time. You get them right now,

1130
00:56:11.599 --> 00:56:14.480
<v Speaker 1>you can do it incrementally. So if somebody's trying to

1131
00:56:14.519 --> 00:56:16.920
<v Speaker 1>like get you, but you have to respond one at

1132
00:56:16.920 --> 00:56:19.800
<v Speaker 1>a time, it's better than a nauseum. It's better than

1133
00:56:19.840 --> 00:56:22.679
<v Speaker 1>necropotents in that way, because you get the cards right now.

1134
00:56:23.280 --> 00:56:27.840
<v Speaker 1>And Man Black already has a whole bunch of draw

1135
00:56:28.159 --> 00:56:31.719
<v Speaker 1>x lose x type things that if you chain them together.

1136
00:56:31.519 --> 00:56:32.280
<v Speaker 2>It's the same thing.

1137
00:56:32.480 --> 00:56:37.239
<v Speaker 1>Or if you chain them together in addition to Bullus's Citadel,

1138
00:56:37.320 --> 00:56:40.079
<v Speaker 1>another black game changer where you go, oh, there's a

1139
00:56:40.159 --> 00:56:42.760
<v Speaker 1>draw to lose two on top my library. I guess

1140
00:56:42.760 --> 00:56:45.559
<v Speaker 1>I'll pay two to cast my draw to lose too,

1141
00:56:45.559 --> 00:56:49.760
<v Speaker 1>So I'm actually paying four. And that's that's really good

1142
00:56:49.760 --> 00:56:53.119
<v Speaker 1>and that's fine, and people already do that, and that's okay.

1143
00:56:53.880 --> 00:56:58.000
<v Speaker 1>This is like more manna than that, but also a

1144
00:56:58.000 --> 00:57:01.000
<v Speaker 1>little bit better because it's less cards, Like, when was.

1145
00:57:00.960 --> 00:57:02.920
<v Speaker 2>The last time you've seen anybody play greed?

1146
00:57:04.400 --> 00:57:04.800
<v Speaker 1>Greed?

1147
00:57:05.199 --> 00:57:08.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah it cost it's an enchantment for black three ay

1148
00:57:09.039 --> 00:57:10.840
<v Speaker 2>one black and a life draw card? When the last

1149
00:57:10.840 --> 00:57:13.400
<v Speaker 2>time is much worse? Yagmants will what is the last

1150
00:57:13.440 --> 00:57:15.199
<v Speaker 2>time you ever? You didn't even know what it was?

1151
00:57:15.599 --> 00:57:16.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah I did.

1152
00:57:16.840 --> 00:57:18.199
<v Speaker 2>Nobody plays that card.

1153
00:57:18.719 --> 00:57:20.239
<v Speaker 1>Nobody greed?

1154
00:57:20.400 --> 00:57:22.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, ay two life card, pay two.

1155
00:57:22.559 --> 00:57:24.920
<v Speaker 1>Life and a black to draw card four man enchantment.

1156
00:57:25.039 --> 00:57:28.960
<v Speaker 2>Nobody plays that, And I mean because its fucking sucks.

1157
00:57:28.679 --> 00:57:31.119
<v Speaker 1>Because it sucks because you've got to pay black into it, right,

1158
00:57:31.119 --> 00:57:32.039
<v Speaker 1>and if you did.

1159
00:57:31.840 --> 00:57:34.320
<v Speaker 2>This, let's use the example I wrapped a six on

1160
00:57:34.360 --> 00:57:36.360
<v Speaker 2>turn two, pay thirty nine life, draw half of my deck.

1161
00:57:36.400 --> 00:57:38.760
<v Speaker 2>You know what you could do there? Miss, because in

1162
00:57:38.800 --> 00:57:40.719
<v Speaker 2>Commander it's not your it's not half your deck.

1163
00:57:40.960 --> 00:57:42.320
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, yes.

1164
00:57:42.119 --> 00:57:45.639
<v Speaker 2>And you could hypothetically just get domed and then die

1165
00:57:45.679 --> 00:57:49.480
<v Speaker 2>to a raging goblin. Every single deck that you're playing

1166
00:57:49.519 --> 00:57:50.880
<v Speaker 2>against is capable of.

1167
00:57:50.840 --> 00:57:53.639
<v Speaker 1>Doing Yes, even the themes lady looking left decks can

1168
00:57:53.639 --> 00:57:55.880
<v Speaker 1>do one damage. Yeah. The thing about this though, is

1169
00:57:56.000 --> 00:57:58.360
<v Speaker 1>you are pairing it with black, and you are pairing

1170
00:57:58.440 --> 00:58:02.960
<v Speaker 1>it with things like Bacitadel, all the black tutors, because

1171
00:58:02.960 --> 00:58:05.400
<v Speaker 1>there's freaking the most of them in that color. Right,

1172
00:58:05.920 --> 00:58:09.960
<v Speaker 1>this card. I can recognize why it's banned. I can

1173
00:58:10.000 --> 00:58:15.239
<v Speaker 1>make comparisons to neckropotents and and ad nauseum like the

1174
00:58:15.360 --> 00:58:18.480
<v Speaker 1>ban article that Gavin put out I think did like

1175
00:58:18.559 --> 00:58:22.360
<v Speaker 1>I've heard other content creators do. I'm doing the same thing,

1176
00:58:22.840 --> 00:58:26.679
<v Speaker 1>and I still want it unbanned, just to see. I

1177
00:58:27.000 --> 00:58:30.639
<v Speaker 1>just to see, because man alive. This card is freaking good.

1178
00:58:30.679 --> 00:58:32.679
<v Speaker 1>And you know what happens when somebody knows that you're

1179
00:58:32.679 --> 00:58:35.079
<v Speaker 1>playing Yog's Bargain in your freaking deck. You know what happens.

1180
00:58:35.159 --> 00:58:39.039
<v Speaker 1>The next game, get brutalized, you get freaking pounded. Turn one,

1181
00:58:39.400 --> 00:58:41.719
<v Speaker 1>get your chip ins. Yeah, hey take one, that's one

1182
00:58:41.800 --> 00:58:43.960
<v Speaker 1>less card you can draw. Oh uh yeah, I got

1183
00:58:43.960 --> 00:58:46.760
<v Speaker 1>this untapped guy. Oh yeah, take three. That's three less

1184
00:58:46.800 --> 00:58:50.079
<v Speaker 1>cards you can draw. That doesn't take away from the

1185
00:58:50.119 --> 00:58:52.639
<v Speaker 1>power of Yogmanth's Bargain. But I'm not even I don't

1186
00:58:52.639 --> 00:58:53.000
<v Speaker 1>even have.

1187
00:58:52.920 --> 00:58:54.800
<v Speaker 2>The months bargain. And you're like, yeah, well, too bad.

1188
00:58:54.840 --> 00:58:56.480
<v Speaker 2>Shouldn't playless Get this card.

1189
00:58:56.800 --> 00:58:59.280
<v Speaker 1>This card, like many of the cards on the band

1190
00:58:59.360 --> 00:59:03.400
<v Speaker 1>list and the Game Changers list, does change the game. Yep,

1191
00:59:03.719 --> 00:59:06.559
<v Speaker 1>and so much so. This card changes the game so

1192
00:59:06.800 --> 00:59:11.519
<v Speaker 1>much that it changes the meta game. It changes what

1193
00:59:11.760 --> 00:59:16.559
<v Speaker 1>people do about chipens and extra damage and those little

1194
00:59:16.719 --> 00:59:20.480
<v Speaker 1>things that that you think don't matter. And sometimes people say, oh,

1195
00:59:20.599 --> 00:59:23.239
<v Speaker 1>that's just one life doesn't matter. Well, when you play

1196
00:59:23.320 --> 00:59:26.920
<v Speaker 1>Yoagamat's Bargain, there's a meta game that actually revolves about that,

1197
00:59:27.760 --> 00:59:31.400
<v Speaker 1>and it matters. And I want I want to play

1198
00:59:31.519 --> 00:59:33.840
<v Speaker 1>magic that matters. I want to I want to do that,

1199
00:59:34.400 --> 00:59:35.960
<v Speaker 1>and this card lets me do that.

1200
00:59:36.480 --> 00:59:36.920
<v Speaker 2>I like that.

1201
00:59:37.119 --> 00:59:38.840
<v Speaker 1>I think that that's cool. I like that. That's where

1202
00:59:38.880 --> 00:59:40.119
<v Speaker 1>I want to end. I don't think that this is

1203
00:59:40.159 --> 00:59:42.000
<v Speaker 1>a bad place to end on. No, I think it's

1204
00:59:42.039 --> 00:59:44.559
<v Speaker 1>a I think it's a really interesting discussion as to

1205
00:59:44.960 --> 00:59:49.039
<v Speaker 1>is this card really The answer is yes, it really is.

1206
00:59:49.119 --> 00:59:51.719
<v Speaker 1>That good. Yes the answers, Yes, I have one, Yes

1207
00:59:51.800 --> 00:59:53.480
<v Speaker 1>I want to play it. Yes it's burning a hole.

1208
00:59:53.639 --> 00:59:56.039
<v Speaker 1>Yes I wish I had a foil one. I don't.

1209
00:59:56.760 --> 00:59:58.679
<v Speaker 2>I have a foil one, but I do have one too.

1210
00:59:58.960 --> 01:00:00.480
<v Speaker 2>I have one also, but I've never really wanted to

1211
01:00:00.519 --> 01:00:01.599
<v Speaker 2>play it, if I'm honest.

1212
01:00:01.960 --> 01:00:04.719
<v Speaker 1>And and maybe maybe that's it. Maybe I don't want

1213
01:00:04.719 --> 01:00:07.000
<v Speaker 1>it on a game changer's list because the deck I

1214
01:00:07.079 --> 01:00:09.280
<v Speaker 1>put it in doesn't have any game changers, and then

1215
01:00:09.360 --> 01:00:11.679
<v Speaker 1>my deck would immediately be a three if I'm holding

1216
01:00:11.760 --> 01:00:15.719
<v Speaker 1>myself to task on the bracket matchmaking system, and I

1217
01:00:15.760 --> 01:00:20.599
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't play it anyways. Right, So ultimately, when you're downgrading,

1218
01:00:20.760 --> 01:00:25.079
<v Speaker 1>unless we're following the bracket matchmaking systems game changers list

1219
01:00:25.159 --> 01:00:27.280
<v Speaker 1>to a t, not a whole ton of this is

1220
01:00:27.320 --> 01:00:31.320
<v Speaker 1>gonna matter. But I do want to see this card unbanned.

1221
01:00:31.440 --> 01:00:32.920
<v Speaker 2>I think it would be cool too. I would just

1222
01:00:33.320 --> 01:00:35.639
<v Speaker 2>to see to see, and to.

1223
01:00:35.719 --> 01:00:37.239
<v Speaker 1>That end, this is my final thought of the day.

1224
01:00:37.280 --> 01:00:40.599
<v Speaker 1>Oh shit, for like just for like three months, for

1225
01:00:40.719 --> 01:00:44.199
<v Speaker 1>one quarter, unbanned everything. Oh my god, fuck yeah, let's

1226
01:00:44.199 --> 01:00:47.639
<v Speaker 1>go unbanned it all, unbanned the world, unbanned. I'm ready.

1227
01:00:47.960 --> 01:00:51.079
<v Speaker 2>I want to ask you one question, Ryan, Sure, I've

1228
01:00:51.119 --> 01:00:52.119
<v Speaker 2>been waiting to ask this question.

1229
01:00:52.239 --> 01:00:54.119
<v Speaker 1>Hey, how are we doing for time? That producer Gary?

1230
01:00:55.519 --> 01:00:56.960
<v Speaker 1>All right, here it is. This is it.

1231
01:00:57.039 --> 01:00:58.559
<v Speaker 2>We're gonna get to some comments on the pre show

1232
01:00:58.599 --> 01:01:01.440
<v Speaker 2>next week because we ran out of time. Gun to

1233
01:01:01.519 --> 01:01:03.880
<v Speaker 2>your head. Oh yeah, gun to both sides of your head.

1234
01:01:04.679 --> 01:01:07.719
<v Speaker 1>Gun to your head means skip your dress step. I'm listening.

1235
01:01:07.840 --> 01:01:11.239
<v Speaker 2>You can't pick a card president on the current band list,

1236
01:01:11.800 --> 01:01:16.880
<v Speaker 2>but you have to ban one card for personal reasons.

1237
01:01:18.199 --> 01:01:18.840
<v Speaker 2>What card is it?

1238
01:01:19.039 --> 01:01:28.920
<v Speaker 1>Brash daunter fucking gottam gotam.

1239
01:01:39.360 --> 01:01:46.800
<v Speaker 2>You got me so good? Fuck man? That is it?

1240
01:01:47.639 --> 01:01:51.039
<v Speaker 2>You want to ban the most powerful, most handsomest, most

1241
01:01:51.199 --> 01:01:55.599
<v Speaker 2>versatile card in the whole game. It makes sense. Well,

1242
01:01:55.679 --> 01:01:59.639
<v Speaker 2>I was demoralizing very You know what's not demoralizing saving

1243
01:01:59.719 --> 01:02:01.599
<v Speaker 2>money on magic cards. And that's what you can do

1244
01:02:01.679 --> 01:02:04.920
<v Speaker 2>when you use CEO holiday at Fusion Gaming online dot com.

1245
01:02:05.159 --> 01:02:07.840
<v Speaker 2>Very good, the business daddies of our show, or when

1246
01:02:07.880 --> 01:02:11.079
<v Speaker 2>you go and buy delightful beer from Pylo Bones Brewing

1247
01:02:11.159 --> 01:02:13.400
<v Speaker 2>col They are the second coolest thing to come out

1248
01:02:13.440 --> 01:02:16.519
<v Speaker 2>of Regina. I didn't you hit me so hard? I

1249
01:02:16.599 --> 01:02:18.760
<v Speaker 2>forgot what card I was gonna ban and I had

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<v Speaker 2>a really good one. Well think of it for a minute.

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<v Speaker 1>Curbside pick up fastest games of DH on YouTube. Just

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<v Speaker 1>new new episode, just dropped. Our buddy Colton does those up.

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<v Speaker 1>He plays with people in the nation. It's one of

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<v Speaker 1>Patreon support is very much appreciated and get into the discord.

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<v Speaker 1>Find Colton and the other people who schedule the VDH

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<v Speaker 1>games and freakin' play which Cardridge man, I don't remember.

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't remember. You know when I might remember it

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<v Speaker 2>in time for the next exciting episode of Commander Cookout podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Our th

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<v Speaker 2>Im not taking at