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Speaker 1: All right, everybody, welcome back to be Surely You Can't

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Be Serious podcast. We are continuing with our series on

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the summer of nineteen eighty four, and I was just

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thinking about something interesting. In addition to all of those

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incredible movies that we talked about last episode and all

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those incredible songs that we talked about last episode, there

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was also a big event going on involving the president

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of the United States. It was the election year where

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Ronald Reagan was running against Walter Monde.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I remember that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember it well. Yeah, And even though I

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was eight or nine years old, it was fascinating to me.

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And mister Reagan was one of those guys who completely

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misunderstood the lyrics to the first song that we're going

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to talk about.

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Speaker 3: I know, I can't wait to dive into that story.

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Speaker 1: He's famous for talking about this patriotism and George will

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has this kind of famous quote that's also a misunderstanding

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of it. And then Walter Mondale after Bruce was like

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he's missed the point here. He was like, oh, so

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Bruce supports me, and Bruce say, whoa tiger? Yeah, I'm

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not back in either one of you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know, for me, just on the summer

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of nineteen eighty four, one of the big things the

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Olympics in LA in summer of eighty four. We're huge,

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Mary lou Reddin.

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Speaker 1: We're in the star spangled banner on her tights, right, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And you had what you had Bart Connor, and

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you had Mitch Gaylord who shows up later in the

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movie American Anthem. Yeah, you have Carl Lewis, Edwin, Moses,

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Mary Decker who tripped and fell. She was like the

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favorite in the American race. And she she and Zola

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Bud I think is her name, they got their feet

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tangled and she fell, and just the heartbreaking images of.

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Speaker 1: Her like it, you know.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, So the Olympics in La.

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Speaker 1: That that was an amazing year.

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Speaker 3: Nineteen eighty four is an amazing year in the eighties.

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Speaker 1: And you know what, an amazing album of that year

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was born in the USA.

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Speaker 3: Let's get into it track by track.

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Speaker 1: Before we get going, I just want to point something out.

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We have been talking to each other now for a

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couple of years, face to face, and one of the

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reasons that I can do that is because you don't

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have nose hair. Have you been talking to people and like,

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you can't even concentrate on what they're saying because of

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their nose hair.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, they like tuck to you.

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Speaker 1: It dangles, yes, it wiggles, it's it's a total distraction.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: And so let me let me say, if you are

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Speaker 3: It is an amazing product. It trims your nose hair.

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It's not embarrassing. You just stick it up there. It

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takes care of it.

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Speaker 1: You're not gonna look at people and bother them, right,

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And I'm one of those guys who's self conscious about

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my nose hair. So somebody that you're gonna see me

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and I'm gonna be like yanking them out and wincing

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in pain, don't do that. There is a special thing

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yes it is.

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Speaker 3: So it's very good around sensitive areas, if you know

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what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: They have also an entire shavekit called the Ultra Smooth

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Package package. You get the idea.

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Speaker 3: Whack it perfect.

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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 3: So the first song on the album is the title track,

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Born in the USA.

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Speaker 1: Listen to this drum beat, I'm telling you, Max Weinberg, Baby,

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you've got Bruce who's been this, you know, sort of

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folks sort of rock guy, and you've got a quick

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piano followed by a synthesizer.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: That was another big thing in nineteen eighty four.

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Speaker 3: A repeating yeah synthesizer.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So this song was everywhere and you sent me

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something that're like, hey, is this song hard to play?

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And so I sat down, I'm like ding dong ding,

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I'm like, okay, two chords, whole song, two chord and

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then I played the melody. I'm like three notes. So

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two chords, three note melody, and you have one of

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the biggest hits of the decade.

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Speaker 3: They got a hook and they wrote it all the

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way for four minutes. You better like that hook if

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you're going to like the song. Yeah, iconic song, yeah,

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fist pumper, Yes, patriotic.

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Speaker 1: No, No, I mean so, let me tell this story.

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So you're born to run and you get born in

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the USA. I always know, you know Jason Bourne in

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the future. Now, anyway, he's got born to Run, which

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is not a flattering song for New Jersey, right, yeah,

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I mean this town will rip the skin from your back.

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I mean it's not good right right, your back anyway.

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And New Jersey completely misunderstanding the song, was like, hey,

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we should make that like our state song. Dude, No,

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that's this is not a flattering song. They're trying to

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get out of this town, right, We've got to get

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out of this town.

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Speaker 3: So the US says New Jersey, hold my beer.

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Speaker 1: Right, So if you think that this song is a

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patriotic song, let's just listen to the lyrics real quick, Okay.

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Born down in a dead man's town. The first kick

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I took was when I hit the ground you end

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up like a dog that's been beat down too much

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till you spend half your life just covering up. That's

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not flattering, yeah yeah, but it's this amazing thing where

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he takes these grueling lyrics in the verse and then

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puts them against this very patriotic sounding chorus.

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Speaker 3: It's a fist bumper.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is a total fist bumper, which is interesting

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because as the song goes on, this is a song

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about a Vietnam Vet, right, I mean, he grew up poor,

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he had to join the army in order to get

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out of going to prison. They send him off to

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a foreign land to kill the yellow Man. His brother

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gets killed, he's all gone, and he's back and everybody's

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kind of spitting on him like he's gotten nowhere to run,

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nowhere to go. This is like the plot of First Blood. Yes,

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out by the gas fires of the refinery, I'm ten

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years burning down the road, nowhere to run to, got

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nowhere to go. And so the idea of what was

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happening with the Vets at this time, that you know,

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they had gone and fought in the name of the USA,

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and they come back and they're the people who are

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waving the flag, and all patriotic are kind of forgetting

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about the vets. They're treating them like crap. That's the

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same thing that happens in the song. The chorus is

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so loud and powerful, you completely lose the message of

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the song. My first kick was when I hit the ground. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: USA. So here's a part of Ronald Reagan's speech, right,

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ron O'reagan his son. I heard him son talking about this.

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Ronald Reagan had no idea who Bruce Springstein was right,

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So he says in his speech, he said, America's future

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rests in the thousand dreams inside your hearts. It rests

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in the message of hope in songs. So many young

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Americans admire New Jersey's own Bruce Springsteen, and helping you

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make those dreams come true is what this job of

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mine is all about. Somebody asked him, what's your favorite

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Bruce Springsteen song? Yes, and an aide stepped forward and

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said his favorite song is Born to Run. And Johnny

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Carson said, if you believe that I got a couple

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of tickets to the mondel Ferraro inaugural ball.

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Speaker 1: I might sell it.

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Speaker 3: I thought that was funny. Yeah, So Born in the

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USA is released October thirtieth of nineteen eighty four, so

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the song reaches number nine on the Billboard Hot one

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hundred and like we've done before, I wanted to know

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what are the eight songs that are better than Born

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in the USA at this time in nineteen eighty four

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with all this cool stuff happening. Sure, okay, so here

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they are. I was less than impressed. Like a virgin

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Iconic Ages song number one, Yes All I Need by

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Jack Wagner Cheesy crap. Okay, You're the Inspiration by Chicago.

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It's on the make Out List of nineteen eighty four.

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I Want to Know What Love Is by Foreigner. It's

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on the make Out List of nineteen eighty four. Easy

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Lover by Philip Bailey and Phil Collins.

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Speaker 1: Ok.

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Speaker 3: I like it, but Iconic eighties. I mean, you know

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it's a catchy you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like, oh I remember those songs. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: But What Run to You by Brian Adams, great song

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off the Reckless album.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's my favorite song. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Wild Boys by Duran Duran.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I mean it's a good.

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Speaker 3: Duran Duran song. We Belong by Pat Benattar. There you go,

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 3: I mean they're all good songs, but are they better

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than Born in the USA?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I want to talk about the creation

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of this song.

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Speaker 1: Let's go okay to it.

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Speaker 3: This is a nugget that blew me away.

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Speaker 1: I love it, Okay. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So this song was written in nineteen eighty one as

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the title for a film by Paul Schrader, and he

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sent him the script for this movie that he wants

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to make with Bruce Springsteen, called Born in the USA.

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So Bruce Springsteen makes this song, writes this song, and

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then the movie kind of flounders. And then by the

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time that they're ready to make the movie, the song

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has already lived its life and so he can't call

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it Born in the USA anymore. And so they changed

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the title and they changed the actors. This movie is

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called Light of Day and it stars Michael J. Fox

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and Joan Jett.

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Speaker 1: Right. I think I watched some of that movie just

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because it had Michael J. Fox in it back in

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the mid eighties. Yeah, and couldn't finish it.

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Speaker 3: I watched it like a year ago.

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Speaker 1: This is depressing me.

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Speaker 3: This is pressing.

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Speaker 1: It's not a happy movie. Now, okay, so yes, that

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is the creation of the song. And for a long

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time this was just an acoustic song. It was just

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him with an acoustic guitar singing, but it changes in

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this amazing organic way. So they've been in the studio

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recording ruling session, all of the members are worn out,

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and they all go into the booth and then at

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some point one of the band members goes back out.

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I think it was Bruce, and he starts just playing

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just the riff on the guitar, and then at that

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point Max Weinberg is like, I think I got a

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different idea here, and he walks out and he hits

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that hard snare, hard snare, and like, okay, this is

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making it sound a little different. And one by one

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each of the members of the band come back into

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the recording studio and they play it in a completely

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different way. It's more like an anthem than like this

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sad guitari folk song. And when they get done, they're like,

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I think we just found something.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no doubt.

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Speaker 1: They played it one more time to see if they

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still had it. Then they played it one more time

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and that's what's on the record.

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Speaker 3: That's incredible. Yeah, I love stories like this where the

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song is just kind of birthed and it takes on

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a life of its own aim becomes this rock eighties anthem. Yeah, wow,

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I got a couple little nuggets for you.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 3: Patty LaBelle covered this song in nineteen eighty five.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's interesting.

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Speaker 3: Also, you may remember Cheach Marina still Man. Oh yeah,

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you're born in East la Well, let's see your green card.

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Speaker 1: Huh green card.

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Speaker 3: I'm from Eastill Laurel.

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Speaker 1: And who's president.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: A parody of the song called Born in the East La.

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Speaker 1: I forgot about that. That's awesome. Made it into a movie. Yeah, Yeah,

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that's funny.

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Speaker 3: Born. He's feeling one more quick nugget. This video was

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directed by a guy named John Sales.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 3: He's a guy who wrote the Howling. He wrote Alligator

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was kind of an eighties movie, and he directed eight

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min out. So he's a guy who's done some things.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, eight min out. Yeah, Okay, that does it for

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Born in the USA. On the song number two cover.

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Speaker 5: Me, So the beginning of the song blowing in sounds

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like the fabulous Thunderbirds to me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I could go with that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, once again, you've got another song. About the guy

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who's just been beaten down. Right, he has been beaten

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down so much that all he's looking for is someplace

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to hide where the person will cover him up.

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Speaker 3: Yep, somebody. I need somebody to love me and cover me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: This is the second single released July thirty first, nineteen

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eighty four. This reached number seven on the Hot one Hunter. Okay,

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we're still a little better than Born in the USA.

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Speaker 1: That's crazy. That's crazy now, I mean this is a

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good song, better than Born in the US.

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Speaker 3: I know, I can't believe it. This song was written

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for Donna Summer.

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Speaker 1: I know, right. Can you imagine a disco version of

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the song?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 3: No, Donna Summer is a great singer, but she is

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a little bit more pop and definitely more disco, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: But John Landau listened to it and thought this sounds

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like a hit. We might want to hang onto this one,

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so they gave her the song called Protection instead.

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Speaker 1: This was one of the songs that was recorded at

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the Hit Factory, Yes, which several of the songs were

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recorded at. And it's simple, it's a more emotional song.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, this song is a good song.

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Speaker 1: I like it.

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Speaker 3: It's upbeat, even though the lyrics are kind of like depressing,

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but this is a toe tapper. This is a great

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concert song.

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Speaker 1: Again, listen to those drums, listen to how the music

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plays against the meaning of the lyrics, and you've got

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this magical combination on almost all of these songs.

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Speaker 3: It's crazy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: No music video for this song. Yeah, that's interesting, which

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is kind of weird. And it's still made it to

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number seven. Yeah, wow, great song like it?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it all right? Song number three Darlington County.

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All right, I got a FEVA and the only prescription

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is book cow Bell. I know right.

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Speaker 3: That Cowboll is very prominent in this song.

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Speaker 1: I give it up Max.

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Speaker 3: So the first time I heard this, I thought, and

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that sounds a lot like Honkey Tnk Woman by the

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Rolling Stones.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, very yeah, similar intro.

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Speaker 3: Yes, And as I did my research, I found out

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that in concerts he would play the first few bars

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of Honckey Tonk Woman and blends right into this song

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on my and on.

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Speaker 1: The back awesome way to go you thank you.

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Speaker 3: This could have easily been a single.

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Speaker 1: It's one of my favorites on the album Great Solvent

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Great Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Lyrically This is about a guy driving to Darlington County, Towork.

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Speaker 1: People of Lucas. There you go look for work, Yeah,

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I would say, looking to get laid. Okay, we're just

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going down there to try to pick up some chicks.

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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes that's work. It's Southwest work.

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Speaker 3: Darlington County is in South Carolina.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're they're going to go down and talk to

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the girls about being these big New York City boys

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even though they're just a couple of Pelucas, and try

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to get them to, you know, come over here and

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sit down, like get radio with me in my car.

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Speaker 3: Sounds good to be. A guy named Jeff Stevens and

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the Bullets took the cover version to number sixty nine

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on the Hot Country Songs in nineteen eighty seven.

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Speaker 1: It's got a very country feel too, except that the

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guys are talking about being from the city.

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Speaker 3: Yes, one more quick thing on this song before we

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move on. Springsteen originally wrote this song in nineteen seventy

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eight for the album Darkness on the Edge of Town. Okay,

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it didn't make the cut. He reworked it re recorded

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in nineteen eighty two. Yeah, and here we have it.

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In nineteen eighty four, awesome, fantastic. Okay, moving on to

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a song called.

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Speaker 1: Working on the Highway.

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Speaker 6: Gonnare week on the bird Okay, this one is screaming

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bo deadly at me once again.

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Speaker 1: It's a guy who's screwed up his life.

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Speaker 3: More depressing lyrics.

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Speaker 1: The music is so good, it's catchy. It's got that

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nineteen fifties early sixties absolutely pop rock song sound about it.

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Speaker 3: But it sounds like summertime blues to me.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And so you've got this guy, he's talking about everybody's

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getting off of work, talking about getting hurt on the weekend,

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and you know these you know, some guys are going

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to go drink and some guys are going to go

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look for a fight and all this stuff. And then

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about what he's going to do. And he's got this

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because he's holding his flag working on the highway. He's

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got this girl on his mind.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 1: So the people that I've heard talk about this, they

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seem to think like he's working on the highway, he

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meets up with his underage girl, gets in trouble, ends

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up in the penitentiary, and is working on the highway

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for the penitentiary. Yeah, I think it's already happened. Like

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I think at the beginning of the song, Rus is

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throwing you off with the lyrics about what the other

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guys are going to do with their weekends. I think

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this guy is already a penitentiary inmate because he did this,

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and that's why the girl is on his mind, because

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he mentions it in the first first But the idea

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of the song either way is this guy decided to

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fall in love with the girl who was too young.

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He talks to her dad does an honorable thing, and

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her daddy says, don't you know, she's just a girl,

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and then he takes her down to Florida. You're all

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the right back there for a second. He took hard left. Yeah, yeah,

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and so yeah, brothers show up with cops and it's

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off to the penitentiary with him and he's just working.

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Speaker 3: On that, working on the highway.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: This song was originally called child Bride.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, working on the Highways A better time?

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Speaker 3: Yes, how about that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because nobody it's hard to understand what Bruce says, right,

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I know. And this, by the way, I listened to

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several of the songs off of some of the other albums,

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and his very first album the Greetings from Asbrey Park.

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The first single off of that album was blinded by

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the Light, and I was like, did he cover? He

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do a cover as his very first sing No, Bruce

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Springsteen was the guy who wrote blinded by the Light.

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No idea. I thought manford Man was the original. Yeah, yeah, No,

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I didn't come along until seventy six. I was like, what,

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but this is the rare circumstance where I can understand

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Bruce better than I can understand what the banford Man did.

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I mean, there was all kinds of misunderstood lyrics whenever

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it was listening to the Manfred Man Goose was not

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deuce right, not wrapped up like a dude? Not yes

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that's right, you got it. Okay.

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Speaker 3: So anyway, working on the Highway catchy song, another fun song. Yeah,

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moving on song number five. This song is called down

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Bound Train. Dude. That's the rolling Stones right there.

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Speaker 1: Oh so strong. The stones are strong with this one.

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And wait for it, here it is. Max Cummins comes

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in with that snare I'm telling you, yeah, I'm telling

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you except for that. Now this song, this song, the

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music matches the sadness of the words and the song

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right oh, my gosh downbound train like the guy's like.

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Life was pretty good. And then the factory shut down

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and my wife left me. And then I had a

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dream that she was calling me back, and I walked

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into a dark, empty room. Okay, I'm gonna go kill myself.

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What Bruce, come on, man, find some happy, find you happy,

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plays Brown.

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Speaker 3: There's an author called Debbie Bull. She called the saddest

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song ever written.

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Speaker 1: It is. Yes, he did not bring the happy, Happy,

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go lucky music along with his sad song so you

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Got Sad music?

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Speaker 3: Sad song at the end of the Nebraska Sessions. Yes,

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it was recorded with Working on the Highway and they

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called it the Electric Nebraska Sessions.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, okay, this one I still like. Uh so

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far we've we've gotten. I've liked every single song on

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this say, They're all good. I mean, even if it

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does make me suicidal, it's still it hits a nerve

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that sometimes you got to hit. Sometimes songs are supposed

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to make you feel sad. Yeah, that's why they call

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it the Blips, and that's why they call it the

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No Not that well John, right, John Again, what he

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seems to do on this album to me is put

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songs on each end of each side that are like

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his tent pole songs like these are the best songs

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on the album. Let's put them on each end, okay,

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which brings us to the song number six, I'm on Fire.

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Speaker 3: This starts off. I like it right away. It's a hit.

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You can hear it in my ears immediately.

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Speaker 1: I'm all the way and this is beautiful, beautiful song.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: This was the fourth single released February sixth, nineteen eighty five.

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It reached number six. Wow, another top ten hit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah four single. Yeah, so this song number one? When

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we get that, Hey, little girl, is your daddy home?

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I really hope when he says daddy he means boyfriend,

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because if he actually means daddy, this is super gross.

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So I'm gonna assume boyfriend. But then, as I'm as

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I'm listening to these lyrics, this is the song of

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a crazy man, Like this is the song of someone

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who is disturbed and has a fire that is not

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an appropriate fire, right, Hey, little girl, is your daddy home?

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Did he go and leave you all alone? I got

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a bad desire? Oh, I'm on fire. He's struggling with

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some demons here, right, and he brings that home with

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the last part of the song, which I mean the

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lyrics on this song I think may be the most poetic.

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And we're talking about huge poetry on every single song here.

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But sometimes it's like someone took a knife, Baby Edgy

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and Doll and cut a six inch valley through the

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middle of my skull. At night, I wake up with

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the sheets soaking wet and a freight train running through

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the middle of my head. Only you can cool my desire.

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Oh oh, I'm on fire. Wow. It's so powerful and

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so creepy and so beautiful and haunting and amazing and

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two minutes and thirty seconds long.

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Speaker 3: All right. This video was filmed in March of nineteen

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eighty five, okay, which is the same month that Huey

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listened the news filmed Bad Is Bad?

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, we're the film in the same place.

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Speaker 3: Both in New York, one in La one in San Francisco.

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Speaker 1: It's a long ways apart. By the way, twos Oklahoma

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boys are like oh right next door. Both the gelp

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like a seven hour.

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Speaker 3: Directed again by John Sales.

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Speaker 1: Uh huh.

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00:23:42,839 --> 00:23:45,839
Speaker 3: This video won the MTV Video Music Award for Best

476
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:49,000
Male Video. Yeah, okay, so the video is Bruce is

477
00:23:49,039 --> 00:23:52,519
a mechanic and this fantasy woman comes in. We never

478
00:23:52,559 --> 00:23:53,799
see her face.

479
00:23:53,839 --> 00:23:56,960
Speaker 1: Turned nails as he gave at them, stroking the side

480
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:57,960
of the car he's working on.

481
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:00,599
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's implying if the she is

482
00:24:00,599 --> 00:24:03,200
she a real person or is he just like fantasizing

483
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:07,000
about her or what? Is she just unattainable? But it's

484
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,920
kind of like the dark version of Billy Joel's Uptown

485
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,960
Girl video Hang on hand, I Got something for you

486
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:14,160
on this?

487
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:14,599
Speaker 1: Okay?

488
00:24:14,599 --> 00:24:15,200
Speaker 3: You ready for this?

489
00:24:15,319 --> 00:24:15,599
Speaker 1: Yes?

490
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,519
Speaker 3: The B side to the single I'm on Fire Yes,

491
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:22,400
is a song called Johnny Bye Bye written by It's

492
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:26,000
like fused from Chuck Berry. A Chuck Berry song. Okay, Okay,

493
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:30,559
so he had written parts of it and Springsteen took

494
00:24:30,559 --> 00:24:32,200
those parts and kind of made a song out of it.

495
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:32,799
Speaker 1: But this was.

496
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:36,119
Speaker 3: Written just before Chuck Berry went to jail for three

497
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,279
years for violating the Man Act of nineteen sixty two.

498
00:24:39,599 --> 00:24:42,039
Speaker 1: That's ironic, how about that? Given my interpretation?

499
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 3: Seriously? Yeah, and for those who don't know what the

500
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:48,240
Man Act of nineteen sixty two is, that is transporting

501
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:53,039
women across side state lines for immoral purposes.

502
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:54,759
Speaker 1: Wow.

503
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 3: Whoa, he's on fire.

504
00:24:56,599 --> 00:24:58,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's see what Johnny Byebox sounds like.

505
00:25:00,519 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 4: With the Red song.

506
00:25:02,599 --> 00:25:06,160
Speaker 3: It's the party and nine down on them This time

507
00:25:06,599 --> 00:25:12,119
I'll be going down Ariunit D come man on the radius.

508
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,960
All right, So just one little tidbit on this song. Yes, okay,

509
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:21,599
Bruce Springsteen and his pianist Roy Baton and his drummer

510
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:25,279
Max Weinberg are sitting around the first version of this

511
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,599
song was just the three of them because everybody else

512
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,240
was taking a leak or on break or whatever.

513
00:25:29,839 --> 00:25:33,319
Speaker 1: Right, smoke him if you got that's right, that's it.

514
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:33,759
Speaker 3: That's it.

515
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:37,079
Speaker 1: Okay. So Roy Baton has come up before. Do you

516
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:41,519
remember his nickname is the Professor. Yeah, he was one

517
00:25:41,519 --> 00:25:44,640
of the handful of guys that bon Jovi got to

518
00:25:44,759 --> 00:25:49,440
help him record run Away. So go check out our

519
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:53,400
bon Jovi. Yes, there you go.

520
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,359
Speaker 3: It's the part one of the slipperwin wet New Jersey

521
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,279
Battle of bon Jovi. All right, time to hit stop

522
00:25:59,319 --> 00:26:01,279
on you tape player, kick it out and flip it

523
00:26:01,319 --> 00:26:24,319
over side too. First song, No Surrender, kicking it.

524
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:28,279
Speaker 1: Off, strong piano, sounding like the old fifties song you

525
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,599
Got the Harmonies Coming in here, I'm already loving it.

526
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:33,640
I'm telling you about temp pole on each side. This

527
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:34,519
is a great song.

528
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, this is a feel good song.

529
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 1: Yeah wait, what a positive I know, a positive sounding

530
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:46,160
and positive lyrics song. What is it doing on this alum?

531
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 3: I know, I know. This is a great song. This

532
00:26:48,319 --> 00:26:50,599
reminds me kind of a bon Jovie. I mean, it's

533
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,160
a feel good working man camaraderie.

534
00:26:54,279 --> 00:26:56,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're in this together and we're not giving up.

535
00:27:07,079 --> 00:27:09,759
Speaker 3: See it through being on a prayer.

536
00:27:10,079 --> 00:27:14,079
Speaker 1: Okay. I really feel like this is something that probably

537
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,599
he had with his bandmates where he was like that

538
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,000
they had to say to themselves because I mean, just

539
00:27:19,079 --> 00:27:21,480
keep keep in mind, his first album came out in

540
00:27:21,559 --> 00:27:25,200
seventy three. This is eleven years later. Born to Run.

541
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,000
Had so much hope and he's built up all of

542
00:27:27,039 --> 00:27:29,200
this fan base, but he's not really had a commercial

543
00:27:29,279 --> 00:27:33,559
success and so he has to rally the troops. Right. Yeah, yeah, guys,

544
00:27:33,559 --> 00:27:36,359
we were in this together. No Retreat, No Surrender.

545
00:27:36,559 --> 00:27:38,039
Speaker 3: This song almost didn't make the album.

546
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: Okay.

547
00:27:38,559 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 3: This was the last song in Wow. It was only

548
00:27:41,799 --> 00:27:44,519
at the insistence of Stephen van Zane. He had left

549
00:27:44,519 --> 00:27:46,559
the band, but it was still friends with everybody. Yeah,

550
00:27:46,599 --> 00:27:49,200
he was pursuing his solo career yep. And when he listened,

551
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:50,559
he's like, guys, we got it. I mean, this is

552
00:27:50,599 --> 00:27:52,200
a great song. You got to include this one. This

553
00:27:52,279 --> 00:27:55,119
song was originally titled Brothers under the Bridges.

554
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 1: Uh huh?

555
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,319
Speaker 3: And quickly have you ever seen the Jung Claude van

556
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,839
Dam movie called No Retreat, No Surrender?

557
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:03,839
Speaker 1: I have never No, I have not seen that.

558
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 3: Okay, not a great movie. He's the bad guy, but

559
00:28:06,799 --> 00:28:08,759
the movie title comes from this song.

560
00:28:09,039 --> 00:28:13,559
Speaker 1: Okay, is it about a band who's blood Brothers Underneath

561
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:14,640
the Stormy Night?

562
00:28:14,799 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 3: No, it's Karate Oh.

563
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:24,599
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, song number I don't know, number two on

564
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:25,720
side two, Number.

565
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 3: Two on side two. This song is called Bobby Jean.

566
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:46,119
Speaker 1: So this song is about the loss. I can't tell

567
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:50,559
if it's a friend or a lover or a friend

568
00:28:50,559 --> 00:28:53,000
that he wanted to be a lover right like they

569
00:28:53,039 --> 00:28:57,359
were obviously close growing up. And she leaves without notice. Yeah,

570
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:01,559
and he's just hoping that maybe someone out there she'll

571
00:29:01,559 --> 00:29:03,839
hear this song on the radio and know it's better.

572
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,519
I'm not sure it's a sheet it could be he Yeah,

573
00:29:06,519 --> 00:29:07,799
that's true, I mean true.

574
00:29:08,079 --> 00:29:11,119
Speaker 3: Bobby Jean could be a male or female, true, and

575
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,319
it's never really specified in the song. Some people think

576
00:29:14,359 --> 00:29:16,759
it's it's like, you know, Steven van z Aunt leaving

577
00:29:16,799 --> 00:29:19,039
the band and oh man, good luck to you, will

578
00:29:19,079 --> 00:29:19,640
miss you, that.

579
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,759
Speaker 1: Type of thing. It's Billy Jean's sister.

580
00:29:23,359 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 3: I don't think it's Billy Jeen's sister. This song was

581
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:27,720
not released as a single, but it did make it

582
00:29:27,759 --> 00:29:29,839
to number thirty six on the mainstream rock charts.

583
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:31,839
Speaker 1: Wow, all right, good song.

584
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 3: It doesn't get me real fired up?

585
00:29:33,559 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 1: No, this is I would say, probably my least favorite

586
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,160
song on the album. I won't call it a skipper.

587
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:40,920
I would just say, if you get to lose one

588
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:42,640
on the album, this one's probably it. Yeah.

589
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 3: Have you seen the live performance when Eddie Vedder from

590
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,039
Pearl Jam comes on stage and they sing this together?

591
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,519
Speaker 1: No but I must there you go. Wow, that will

592
00:29:51,519 --> 00:29:52,319
be fantastic.

593
00:30:14,759 --> 00:30:17,079
Speaker 3: Done with Bobby Jean. We're now moving on to the

594
00:30:17,119 --> 00:30:20,720
sixth single, released August twenty seventh, nineteen eighty five. This

595
00:30:20,799 --> 00:30:22,119
song is called and Going Down.

596
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 1: I want that nasty guitar, all right, bring it in,

597
00:30:30,279 --> 00:30:30,839
max Y.

598
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 3: Call side why I can't feel it?

599
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:36,799
Speaker 1: Dot comment?

600
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:39,519
Speaker 4: I going up look.

601
00:30:42,079 --> 00:30:43,359
Speaker 1: Give me your little back.

602
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:47,839
Speaker 4: I'm way up. I'm you let out, wanna your mood

603
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:52,920
side where little where? I'm looking to you, guys, I'm going.

604
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 1: I love this song. This is a guy who's had

605
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:04,400
enough of her crap. Amen bro, tired of your crown,

606
00:31:05,759 --> 00:31:08,480
used to love on me, and now you just beat

607
00:31:08,599 --> 00:31:09,680
me down like a dog.

608
00:31:11,519 --> 00:31:15,599
Speaker 3: This song reached number nine on the US Hot one hundred.

609
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:17,400
Another top ten hit.

610
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:18,799
Speaker 1: So how many is that?

611
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,039
Speaker 3: That's the fifth one that we've talked about. That's five

612
00:31:21,279 --> 00:31:23,599
top ten hits and we haven't even gotten a few songs.

613
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Okay, little repetitive this song. I love it,

614
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:28,359
but a little bit repetitive for me.

615
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 3: It's catchy, it's I Yeah, it's it's it's andy.

616
00:31:32,119 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 1: It is a good it's a good song.

617
00:31:34,319 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 3: I'm done with this one.

618
00:31:35,279 --> 00:31:39,279
Speaker 1: Moving on to song number ten on the album, assibly

619
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:40,640
my favorite song on the album.

620
00:31:41,319 --> 00:31:43,519
Speaker 3: This song is called Glory Days.

621
00:31:51,160 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 4: Where and.

622
00:32:16,599 --> 00:32:20,279
Speaker 1: Song the punch. I love the guitar. I want to go.

623
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,519
I want to go get a board and a baseball glove,

624
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:25,359
and I want to go pitch a little bit on

625
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,720
the mound. And I was never a pitcher in high school.

626
00:32:28,799 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 3: Let's go get a bucket of balls and some pine

627
00:32:30,759 --> 00:32:31,920
tire and let's get out there.

628
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:37,519
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, this one is. It's iconic. It is amazing.

629
00:32:38,079 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 4: I'm all want to go down to.

630
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 3: Me.

631
00:32:48,319 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 1: If you say Bruce Springsteen, this is where my head

632
00:32:50,799 --> 00:32:51,759
goes immediately.

633
00:32:52,079 --> 00:32:53,519
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I'm totally with you.

634
00:32:53,799 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: Understand every word he says in the song belly Yes,

635
00:32:56,839 --> 00:32:59,920
and it's it's a it is a feeling that I

636
00:33:00,079 --> 00:33:02,279
can understand as well, you know, like I mean this

637
00:33:02,359 --> 00:33:05,480
when we're here, right, nostalgia Like these people unfortunately, it's

638
00:33:05,599 --> 00:33:07,799
kind of that idea that the best days that they

639
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,240
ever had were their high school days, right, and they're

640
00:33:10,279 --> 00:33:12,799
stuck there, right, They're just stuck in trying to relive

641
00:33:12,839 --> 00:33:15,759
those days. But you know what, that's okay, that's kind

642
00:33:15,759 --> 00:33:16,440
of what we're doing here.

643
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,599
Speaker 3: Hey, well that's we are having a blast talking about I.

644
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,839
Speaker 1: Love talking about the glory a little of the glory.

645
00:33:23,279 --> 00:33:26,039
So that's right.

646
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,319
Speaker 3: So this song was the fifth single released May nineteen

647
00:33:29,359 --> 00:33:31,880
eighty five. So this reached number five, Yeah, and the

648
00:33:32,079 --> 00:33:34,759
just hot one hundred. Yeah, I'm spiking the football. This

649
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:36,920
is my favorite Bruce Springsteen.

650
00:33:36,559 --> 00:33:37,799
Speaker 1: Song of all times.

651
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,359
Speaker 3: Come Gone Down, Yes, love it.

652
00:33:50,599 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I have no I won't fault you.

653
00:33:53,119 --> 00:33:56,200
This is probably up until we did this podcast, this

654
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:57,200
was my number one.

655
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,559
Speaker 3: So this was actually based on a true story. Bruce

656
00:33:59,559 --> 00:34:03,359
Springstey and this guy named Joe Depew were classmates and teammates,

657
00:34:03,559 --> 00:34:06,920
like little league teammates, right, And this guy, Joe Apeugh

658
00:34:07,039 --> 00:34:10,079
was a really good player. And one day he's walking

659
00:34:10,119 --> 00:34:13,679
into a bar. Joe Depeugh is walking out and he says, hey, Joe,

660
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:15,719
how's it going, man? And they turn back around, they

661
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:17,760
go back in, they sit down and have a big,

662
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,920
long conversation about the glorious right, which I thought was

663
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,000
really cool. And this is his quote on this right.

664
00:34:23,079 --> 00:34:26,639
He said, the first verse actually happened, the second verse

665
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:31,800
mostly happened, and the third verse, of course, is happening. Right, beautiful, right, nice, fantastic.

666
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,960
Here's the cool thing about this. I ran the sound

667
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,920
system for the baseball team this year. Okay, at my

668
00:34:38,079 --> 00:34:41,440
son's high school baseball games. Played it. It's still killed.

669
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:43,320
People are loving it.

670
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 1: I mean so good.

671
00:34:45,079 --> 00:35:01,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was so good. Here's the interesting thing the video.

672
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,679
Stephen van Zandt had left the band two years prior

673
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,199
to Yeah, but he's he's all over the video. He's

674
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:07,760
having a ball.

675
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's another qud up on the stage with

676
00:35:10,039 --> 00:35:10,440
him as well.

677
00:35:10,679 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 3: Let's talk about her.

678
00:35:11,559 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 1: Okay, go ahead, there is a qute.

679
00:35:13,079 --> 00:35:15,599
Speaker 3: Up on stage with him, all right. But here's the thing.

680
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:19,239
Julianne Phillips was Bruce Springstein's wife at the time. Okay,

681
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,920
if you say to yourself, Juliane Phillips, who is that? Yeah,

682
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:23,679
if you've ever seen the movie Skin Deep, of which

683
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,239
I'm a big fan, never seen it, Okay, Fletch Lips,

684
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,239
seeing that Fletch Lives. She is the love interest in

685
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:29,880
Fletch Lips.

686
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:30,760
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Okay.

687
00:35:31,079 --> 00:35:33,159
Speaker 3: She was married to Bruce Springstein from nineteen eighty five

688
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:34,119
to nineteen eighty nine.

689
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 1: Okay, so when did this video come out?

690
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 3: Nineten eighty five. She's actually in the video.

691
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 1: Okay, So they were married at the time came.

692
00:35:41,079 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 3: And she's actually yeah, she's in the video. Okay, But

693
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:48,480
apparently down the road the other girl in the band,

694
00:35:48,679 --> 00:35:51,320
her name is Patty. I think her name is Patti

695
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,760
Siaffa if I'm saying that right, Okay. She and Bruce

696
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:58,880
were kind of calm out together, and so Julianne Phillips said,

697
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,400
I'm out of here. And now Bruce and Patty are

698
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,440
now married and have been married for a long time

699
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:04,599
and have kids.

700
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 1: And all that.

701
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, so's here's something funny I think about this song. Okay,

702
00:36:08,559 --> 00:36:10,519
so we've already established that Bruce has never had a

703
00:36:10,559 --> 00:36:12,519
real job, even though he sings about the working man

704
00:36:12,559 --> 00:36:15,320
all the time, right, and now he's talking about his

705
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,079
glory days, he said, like on concers. He's like, let

706
00:36:18,119 --> 00:36:22,039
me be clear, I hated high school, right, so it

707
00:36:22,079 --> 00:36:24,320
doesn't have the fondest memories of high school.

708
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:24,559
Speaker 4: Yeah.

709
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 1: Still not a standout student, not cool enough even to

710
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,039
be the class clown. That's right. Yeah.

711
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,320
Speaker 3: Still great song. Hell yeah, best song on the album

712
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,440
for me, spiking the football all right. Moving on to

713
00:36:35,559 --> 00:36:37,599
a song called Death and in the Dark.

714
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: Okay, The beginning sounds in this song are very similar

715
00:36:56,039 --> 00:36:57,920
to the Born in the USA beginnings, Like you've got

716
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,199
that same synthesizer that's going all but the beat is

717
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,079
a little faster, a little more fun. And it's because

718
00:37:04,119 --> 00:37:06,360
it's a dance beat, because dancing is in the name

719
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:07,239
of the song.

720
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:07,599
Speaker 3: Right.

721
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 1: But as we talked about in our last episode, this

722
00:37:11,599 --> 00:37:14,599
was the song that he wrote out of frustration because

723
00:37:14,679 --> 00:37:17,679
John Lando said, you don't have a hit yet. Boy

724
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,280
was he wrong about that. He was a little no,

725
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:21,920
he was right, you don't have a hit. You have

726
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:26,159
six hits, yes, right, I'm.

727
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,039
Speaker 3: A little worried because the other songs only sound like

728
00:37:28,119 --> 00:37:30,039
you know, six top ten hits, right.

729
00:37:30,599 --> 00:37:35,519
Speaker 1: So he they have their fight. Landau storms out. He's frustrated.

730
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,320
And this, I mean, his life up until that point

731
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:42,679
was he starts working in the evening and they record

732
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,360
through the night, and he falls asleep in the morning.

733
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,960
So the idea that I get up in the evening

734
00:37:48,679 --> 00:37:51,280
and I ain't got nothing to say, that is him.

735
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:55,280
That is I've been doing this. I've been spending all

736
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,840
night for months on end, and you're asking me for

737
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:02,800
another song. I've got nothing left to say. I've done

738
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:07,199
this eighty times, I've used all my words. I'm done,

739
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:11,000
and then I come home in the morning, go to bed,

740
00:38:11,079 --> 00:38:12,480
feel in the same way. So because to bed in

741
00:38:12,519 --> 00:38:14,719
the morning, gets up in the evening. This is the

742
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:18,920
life of a musician, friends and followers, This is what

743
00:38:19,079 --> 00:38:21,239
you hoped for to become a rock star. But at

744
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,039
this point, after all of this, he's nothing but tired

745
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,039
and just bored with himself. He could use just a

746
00:38:27,119 --> 00:38:30,280
little help. I mean, the meaning means so much more

747
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,079
now that I know that it's the result of this

748
00:38:32,199 --> 00:38:35,400
big fight that he has after killing himself and getting

749
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,239
told you haven't done enough yet. Isn't that cool? Yeah?

750
00:38:38,519 --> 00:38:40,159
This is why I love what we do. Yeah.

751
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 3: The deep dive makes me appreciate these guys creations even more. Yeah,

752
00:38:45,039 --> 00:39:02,400
I want to say somewhere stop.

753
00:39:05,159 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 1: Stop.

754
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,519
Speaker 3: This song was released May ninth of nineteen eighty four.

755
00:39:23,559 --> 00:39:25,400
That was just a cold days ago, and it reached

756
00:39:25,599 --> 00:39:28,519
number two on the US Hot one hundred.

757
00:39:28,599 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 1: Wow.

758
00:39:29,119 --> 00:39:31,559
Speaker 3: All right, you want to know what's better than Dancing

759
00:39:31,679 --> 00:39:33,800
the Dark? Yeah, it turns out there's two songs better.

760
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,880
It was blocked for two weeks by two different songs.

761
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:37,760
Speaker 1: Oh what okay?

762
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 3: All right, so it was blocked by Deran Duran's The Reflex.

763
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:42,320
Speaker 1: Okay, that was a big one.

764
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,599
Speaker 3: That's a big one, right, one, that's a huge one. Yeah,

765
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,119
and then the week after when Doves.

766
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: Cry and another huge one, huge one. Yeah. Wow, Well

767
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:53,000
that's unfortunate, but this is.

768
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 3: Still a fantastic It's still a fantastic song.

769
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:55,119
Speaker 4: Yep.

770
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 1: So I think now now that I know the story.

771
00:39:58,039 --> 00:39:59,679
I gotta say, Glory Days has to move down to

772
00:39:59,679 --> 00:40:02,000
the number two spot for me, and this song is

773
00:40:02,079 --> 00:40:03,159
not my favorite song on the album.

774
00:40:03,159 --> 00:40:04,039
Speaker 3: O heay, fantastic l us.

775
00:40:04,199 --> 00:40:07,519
Speaker 1: Without this song, we might not have had Courtney Cox,

776
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,320
which means we might not have had a girlfriend on

777
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:11,920
Family Ties, which.

778
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,760
Speaker 3: Means we might not have had Monica on France.

779
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,639
Speaker 1: Wow, how about that. Thank you John Landau for being

780
00:40:17,679 --> 00:40:20,079
a little bit of a d and making Bruce write

781
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:21,239
just one more song.

782
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,559
Speaker 3: That's right, Thank you so much. You ready to talk

783
00:40:23,559 --> 00:40:25,760
about the music video? Yeah, because we're moving there right.

784
00:40:26,159 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 1: Yeah.

785
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 3: So you've got a young Courtney Cox as you mentioned. Yep,

786
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,400
if he doesn't pull her out of the crowd pull

787
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,440
her up on stage. That is her with the short

788
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:36,519
hair in case you got by you there. Okay. This

789
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,239
was filmed in Saint Paul, Minnesota. They played the song

790
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,920
twice so they could get all the footage they needed.

791
00:40:42,519 --> 00:40:44,440
It was directed by Brian de Palma.

792
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, I would not have picked that. Okay.

793
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,760
Speaker 3: Now, then here is the funny part about this song,

794
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:55,440
all right. The dance that Bruce is doing on stage

795
00:40:56,119 --> 00:41:02,480
later became the Carlton from Fresh Prince Villair.

796
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:03,559
Speaker 1: That's fantastic.

797
00:41:03,599 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 3: Okay, one little nugget I thought was hilarious when I

798
00:41:06,559 --> 00:41:08,599
heard about this nugget about dancing the dark.

799
00:41:08,599 --> 00:41:09,679
Speaker 1: You're ready for this? Okay.

800
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 3: According to Rolling Stone, this is the only Springsteen song

801
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:17,239
that Bob Dylan ever covered. Okay, Okay, imagine Bob Dylan

802
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:18,519
singing dancing in the dark.

803
00:41:18,639 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 1: Okay, I have no trouble with that.

804
00:41:20,519 --> 00:41:23,639
Speaker 3: Yes, so when he did it, so apparently this is

805
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,800
January twelfth, nineteen ninety Bob Dylan flubbed most of the

806
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:30,400
words and the performance was so bad people didn't even

807
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,119
realize what he was singing. They had no idea.

808
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 1: That's that's awkward. They were like, what is this?

809
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 3: What is it?

810
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:38,079
Speaker 1: Dancing in the dark?

811
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:43,760
Speaker 3: What great song? Feel good song, poppy ear candy.

812
00:41:43,639 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 1: Yep, and a great story behind it? Everything I need this.

813
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:48,239
This is the new number one.

814
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,079
Speaker 3: This was voted the single of the year by Rolling

815
00:41:51,119 --> 00:41:51,840
Stone listeners.

816
00:41:52,119 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, finishing strong with another tenth Pole song,

817
00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:59,840
and we've got three in a row here Glory Days,

818
00:42:00,039 --> 00:42:03,119
We're dancing the dark, and then we have my hometown

819
00:42:06,039 --> 00:42:11,559
sal running with dim Mine.

820
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:20,039
Speaker 4: Bust up man.

821
00:42:22,119 --> 00:42:26,760
Speaker 1: Okay, this is not a fist bumper, No but after

822
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:28,639
hearing this song, I don't know how many times in

823
00:42:28,679 --> 00:42:32,559
preparation for this, I still almost teared up because the

824
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:36,039
imagery is so vivid of this little kid running down

825
00:42:36,039 --> 00:42:38,239
the street, the diamond his hand, getting a paper for

826
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,559
his old man, sit on his lap in that big

827
00:42:40,599 --> 00:42:43,440
old buick and steer as we drove through town, and

828
00:42:43,559 --> 00:42:46,800
he tossled my hair and say, son, take a good

829
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:52,079
look around. This is your hometown. And that warm fuzzy

830
00:42:52,199 --> 00:42:55,880
memory leading into the racial tension that happens while he's

831
00:42:55,920 --> 00:43:00,559
in high school and the slow spy roll down of

832
00:43:00,639 --> 00:43:03,360
the town. By the time that he's an adult and

833
00:43:03,519 --> 00:43:05,519
he's got his own little boy, he's talking with his

834
00:43:05,599 --> 00:43:07,840
wife about getting the heck out of there, but then

835
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,480
he's riding with his son in his lap with the

836
00:43:10,519 --> 00:43:12,760
steering wheel, saying, son, this is your hometown.

837
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:13,119
Speaker 4: Ah.

838
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:17,519
Speaker 1: It is so emotional, so amazing A love love love

839
00:43:17,559 --> 00:43:18,599
the song. Nice.

840
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,679
Speaker 3: So this song was released November twenty one of nineteen

841
00:43:22,679 --> 00:43:27,039
eighty five. It reached number six on the Hot one hundred.

842
00:43:27,199 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

843
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,119
Speaker 3: Now, for those of you keeping track at home, that's

844
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,679
seven singles, all of them top ten smashes.

845
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:34,119
Speaker 1: Yeah.

846
00:43:34,679 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 3: Now, just a little addendum to that this song reached

847
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,400
number one on the Adult Contemporary, which to date is

848
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,320
his only number one hit.

849
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 1: In any category.

850
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:45,760
Speaker 3: Yep, wow, how about that.

851
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:46,519
Speaker 1: That's crazy.

852
00:43:46,679 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 3: I know that is crazy because this was released so

853
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:53,239
close to Thanksgiving. The B side to this is Santa

854
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,599
Claus Is Coming to Town, which I hear a lot

855
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:56,519
during the Christmas time.

856
00:43:56,559 --> 00:43:59,159
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's fun, Bruce having fun for once in

857
00:43:59,199 --> 00:43:59,639
its life.

858
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,119
Speaker 3: Before we wrap up the album, I want to throw in.

859
00:44:02,199 --> 00:44:04,480
I want to talk about one song, just briefly. This

860
00:44:04,679 --> 00:44:05,960
is a song that didn't make the cut.

861
00:44:06,159 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 1: Okay, Pink Cadillac.

862
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:34,039
Speaker 3: Girls Money was supposed to be on Born in the USA.

863
00:44:34,199 --> 00:44:34,519
Speaker 1: Uh huh.

864
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,559
Speaker 3: It didn't make the cut, but they later released it

865
00:44:37,639 --> 00:44:39,719
as kind of a B side, and it reached number

866
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,280
twenty seven. I mean, that's the power of this album

867
00:44:42,679 --> 00:44:44,679
that a song not even good enough to make the

868
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:46,840
album still was a top thirty hit.

869
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 1: It's a great song.

870
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm riding in my pink like Prince's little red Corvette.

871
00:44:53,199 --> 00:44:58,519
It's a it's a little metaphor for a female. There

872
00:44:58,519 --> 00:45:02,800
you go, pink Cadillac. Take a ride in your pink Cadillac.

873
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:08,760
Speaker 1: Awkward, there you go? All right, So fantastic album. Yes,

874
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:13,000
from beginning to end. Maybe one song out of the

875
00:45:13,079 --> 00:45:16,880
bunch that I would go it is okay. The rest

876
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:21,000
of them are amazing, amazing lyrics, great music, better in

877
00:45:21,119 --> 00:45:23,800
my opinion, than anything he had done up until that point.

878
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:28,119
And as we've said before, I'm a radio for friendly,

879
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:31,280
big hits, Bruce Sky, so that's why I like this

880
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,559
album better than his other albums. But given the success

881
00:45:34,639 --> 00:45:37,840
of the album, this is obviously an opinion that's shared

882
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:41,840
by many other people. So that's the end of this part.

883
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:43,880
Join us next week.

884
00:45:50,679 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 2: When we go into Huey Lewis and the News, the

885
00:45:53,599 --> 00:45:56,239
history of Huey Lewis, and then we go track by

886
00:45:56,440 --> 00:46:00,400
track through the album Sports, which also was one of

887
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,639
the few number one albums of nineteen eighty four.

888
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 1: Tune in next week you can hear all about the

889
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,840
albums that reached number one in the year nineteen eighty

890
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,320
four because there aren't very many and born in the

891
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,880
USA in Sports, where two of.

892
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:18,159
Speaker 3: Them come back for final judgment next week. Hit subscribe,

893
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:22,440
follow us on Facebook, follow us on Patreon, interact with

894
00:46:22,559 --> 00:46:25,000
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895
00:46:25,159 --> 00:46:26,039
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