Speaker 1: Now one of your pudding. I got a string going
Speaker 1: on here, something just cause my dog. Something killed your dog,
Speaker 1: my dog. We're flying through the air over the tree.
Speaker 1: I don't know how it did it, Okay, Damn, I'm
Speaker 1: really confused. All I saw was my dog coming over
Speaker 1: the fence and he was dead. And once you hit
Speaker 1: the ground like, I didn't see any cars. All I
Speaker 1: saw was my dog coming over the fence. Sat, what
Speaker 1: are you putting? We got some wonder or something crawling
Speaker 1: around out here? Did you see what it was?
Speaker 2: Or was it was?
Speaker 1: Standing enough? I'm out here looking through the window now
Speaker 1: and I don't see anything. I don't want to go outside. Jesus,
Speaker 1: quice you better, or hello, get somebody out here. What
Speaker 1: one on out there? It's thought of a bitch of
Speaker 1: about sixty fort nine. I don't know easy out there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm looking right out tonight.
Speaker 3: I want to share with you some encounters that people
Speaker 3: have between nineteen seventy eight into nineteen seventy nine, a
Speaker 3: series of encounters that would go on to captivate an
Speaker 3: entire town, an entire area with fear.
Speaker 2: And this fear was brought on by an.
Speaker 3: Unknold creature that would howl and wail and scream into
Speaker 3: the night, a creature who, during hours of darkness in
Speaker 3: the shadows, would trowl and stalk around people's properties, a
Speaker 3: creature that would kill animals, and a creature that was
Speaker 3: bold enough to sometimes show itself during daytime hours. These
Speaker 3: incidents occurred in and around my hometown of Kazer in
Speaker 3: North Carolina, which sits at the very base of the
Speaker 3: South Mountains mountain range under thousand acres of wilderness here
Speaker 3: in the foothills of western Odclina, and many believes that
Speaker 3: this all started during this timeframe, near a place called
Speaker 3: Coffiner's Knob, which sets at the eastern end of the
Speaker 3: South Mountains. On this cold December morning of nineteen seventy eight,
Speaker 3: a lady eighty eight years of age by the name
Speaker 3: of Miss Minnie Cook would have an encounter that she
Speaker 3: never forgot.
Speaker 2: She heard her dogs outside barking.
Speaker 3: It was clear they was upset about, so so she
Speaker 3: went out to investigate. She saw a large, black hair
Speaker 3: covered creature, and at first she didn't know what to
Speaker 3: make of it because it appeared to be down on
Speaker 3: all fours until it stood up and it stared her
Speaker 3: down from that day forward, miss Cook wouldn't go outside
Speaker 3: unless she was rible to rifle, and she went on
Speaker 3: record as saying that she wished she had never saw it,
Speaker 3: and that she hoped she never saw it again, and
Speaker 3: that anyone else that saw this creature would feel the
Speaker 3: same as she did. But miss Cook was merely the
Speaker 3: first person to report such an encounter.
Speaker 2: I've interviewed many people over.
Speaker 3: The past four and a half to five years, and
Speaker 3: I am thoroughly convinced that these encounters were already occurring before.
Speaker 3: We're seeing this creature, and we're certainly hearing this creature,
Speaker 3: which was the most commonly reported thing, these frightening howls
Speaker 3: in the dead of night, terrifying high pitched screams and
Speaker 3: grunning noises, and these weird howls that would end in
Speaker 3: a crescendo of yodling lonesome whales, bellowing yells like a
Speaker 3: bull bellowing.
Speaker 2: And as a witness of these type of sounds.
Speaker 3: In the dead of night, I will assure you that
Speaker 3: it invokes a hair raising fear, knowing that something is
Speaker 3: out there that's capable of making these sounds that are
Speaker 3: not attributable to any known wildlife. Matter of fact, the
Speaker 3: things that I've heard echoing off of these mountains and
Speaker 3: echoing in these creek bottoms, and these hollers still echo
Speaker 3: in my mind to this day.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: The reported sightings during this time frame, near as I
Speaker 3: can figure, were upwards of.
Speaker 2: Around eighteen or twenty.
Speaker 3: But many others, no doubt, had experiences, whether it was
Speaker 3: the vocalizations or finding footprints or actual sightings of the creature.
Speaker 3: But here's the thing, the fact that multiple people went
Speaker 3: on record and reported all of these encounters, it speaks
Speaker 3: volumes to me.
Speaker 2: The folks around here are mountain foothills people.
Speaker 3: They are people that value privacy, that value self reliance,
Speaker 3: and frankly, there's an enduring mistrust of authority, high reluctance
Speaker 3: to reach out to the authorities, to the government for
Speaker 3: any reason whatsoever. So the fact that so many people
Speaker 3: did reach out and make reports and talk to the
Speaker 3: press tells me that they were worried and afraid in
Speaker 3: that ever reaching out for help. So let's talk about
Speaker 3: some of these incidents. Start with Miss Sally White. On
Speaker 3: January sixteenth of nineteen seventy nine, she heard her dogs
Speaker 3: barking ferociously like miss Minnie Cook, she was keenly aware
Speaker 3: that something was wrong.
Speaker 2: Now that's a common thing.
Speaker 3: The dogs alert you first, So if you live out
Speaker 3: near the deep wilderness, it behooves you to pay attention.
Speaker 2: To your dogs and your animals, so they may very
Speaker 2: well tip you off to something that's about to happen.
Speaker 3: But miss White went out to investigate, and there she
Speaker 3: saw it, a large black creature walking on two legs,
Speaker 3: and she reported the incident. But come to find out,
Speaker 3: it was not her first time. She had two previous
Speaker 3: sightings of this creature that she did not report, but
Speaker 3: finally with the third sighting, it compelled her to reach
Speaker 3: out and notify the authorities and to tell people about it.
Speaker 3: Also during this time period, a gentleman by the name
Speaker 3: of mister Forrest Price founded.
Speaker 2: One of his goats dead, and the goat died in
Speaker 2: a horrible fashion.
Speaker 3: It had a broken neck, something that we've seen around
Speaker 3: here mainly with deer finding deer in the middle of
Speaker 3: nowhere that had its neck snapped, ribs fractured, legs broken.
Speaker 3: But mister Price had noticed several nights prior that something
Speaker 3: had been stalking his property and prowling around. It was
Speaker 3: upsetting his animals. As a matter of fact, it upset
Speaker 3: his mule so bad that the mule broke the rope
Speaker 3: that it was tethered with and ran off in fright.
Speaker 3: But he also found footprints, and then there was his
Speaker 3: brother Sammy, and mister Sammy Price had a day when
Speaker 3: he heard these scary vocalizations, these sounds, these screams, and
Speaker 3: then along about dark he saw it. He saw this hairy,
Speaker 3: upright creature and at a distance he was able to
Speaker 3: observe it for about fifteen minutes, and the creature finally
Speaker 3: went out of sight. But all night long he had
Speaker 3: to hear that creature screaming at a highly. He said,
Speaker 3: he nodded off to sleep. At one point, then there
Speaker 3: was a scream that was so loud.
Speaker 2: And so close that before he knew it, he had
Speaker 2: come up out of the bedroom was standing on the floor.
Speaker 3: The night finally ended, but the creature wasn't through. It
Speaker 3: wasn't through with him and his family. The next day
Speaker 3: he was gone, and his wife began to hear these
Speaker 3: terrible sounds, and she went outside and they're off in
Speaker 3: the distance in the soybean field. She saw this creature,
Speaker 3: this hairy creature that many described it looking somewhat human like.
Speaker 3: She saw it, and it was in the field and
Speaker 3: it appeared to be foraging for food. January fifteenth, nineteen
Speaker 3: seventy nine, a lady by the name of Gay Smith
Speaker 3: and her two sisters was traveling Old Highway ten, very
Speaker 3: close to where I lived, and her sister Wanda, started
Speaker 3: screaming all of a sudden, and then it took several
Speaker 3: moments for her to explain what she was so upset about.
Speaker 2: She said, I saw a monster, and the.
Speaker 3: Ladies remarkably turned the car around and went back to
Speaker 3: the side. There was a farm pond on the far
Speaker 3: end of the pond. On the dam, there was this hairy,
Speaker 3: humanoid looking creature that was squatting and had something white,
Speaker 3: either a dead bird. They thought it might be a bag,
Speaker 3: or they wasn't sure. Gay Smith got out of the car.
Speaker 3: She started walking towards the creature and got to within
Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty feet of it. The creature got
Speaker 3: up and then walked down the other side of the
Speaker 3: dam and disappeared. The time period of nineteen seventy eight
Speaker 3: into nineteen seventy nine was a particularly unsettling and fearful
Speaker 3: time for the residents in and around the South Mountains
Speaker 3: mountain range of western North Carolina, which is part of
Speaker 3: the Appalachan Foothills, and also for the residents in and
Speaker 3: around my hometown of Kaser. Either was a creature that
Speaker 3: was stalking and prowling, sometimes thing in the shatters, sometimes
Speaker 3: fully stepping out to reveal itself during hours of day
Speaker 3: time as well as nighttime. A creature who was killing animals,
Speaker 3: creature who was very fond of making all of these
Speaker 3: terrifying noises, wailing and screaming and yelling into the night.
Speaker 3: These encounters were coming in from different directions. They weren't
Speaker 3: just from one small area within the South Mountains area,
Speaker 3: and Kaser seemed to be the epicenter of all of
Speaker 3: the important for me to point out to you right
Speaker 3: now that the people of this area were then and
Speaker 3: still are a hardy, resilient breed of Mountain foothills speak,
Speaker 3: the people who can handle problems, of people who can
Speaker 3: handle fear, but also of people who give a healthy
Speaker 3: amount of respect to that which is unknown, unexplained, and mysterious.
Speaker 3: During this time period, people were afraid. Now I'm going
Speaker 3: to point out to you at this point, now that
Speaker 3: I've completely finished my research, it's far more appropriate to
Speaker 3: say creatures for with an unexpected twist that you're not
Speaker 3: going to see coming, and we're going to get to that.
Speaker 3: I had described to you an encounter had by a
Speaker 3: fellow named Sammy Price, and also a separate encounter that
Speaker 3: his wife had in two days after his sighting, he
Speaker 3: ventured into the woods, a gutsy move if you asked me,
Speaker 3: and mister Price found what he believed was the den
Speaker 3: of one of these creatures. The tail tale footprints was
Speaker 3: in and around the area of the den, not unlike
Speaker 3: footprints that had been found in other areas of the
Speaker 3: South Mountains. But when he looked inside he saw the
Speaker 3: hairs of different animals, So evidently this wasn't just a
Speaker 3: place of rest for the creature, but a place where
Speaker 3: it would bring back its prey to dine upon it.
Speaker 3: During this time period, as the days went on, people
Speaker 3: continue to have experiences, whether it be hearing the horrible
Speaker 3: noises or seeing this creature. This creature described as large
Speaker 3: and stout, black in color, hairy, walking, or.
Speaker 2: On two legs.
Speaker 3: The reports were numerous, but only a few officially came
Speaker 3: forward and talked to the authorities, and fury Hat talked
Speaker 3: to the media. But I ran across a newspaper article
Speaker 3: where a fellow by.
Speaker 2: The name of R. M.
Speaker 3: Newton was interviewed. Now, mister Newton owned a small country
Speaker 3: store near the community of Teluca, which is here in
Speaker 3: the South Mountains area, very close to Cuckner's Knob. You
Speaker 3: may not realize it, but a country store, small country
Speaker 3: store in a rural area is more than just a
Speaker 3: place to buy your supplies and your groceries. It's a
Speaker 3: community hub. It's a gathering place. It's a source of
Speaker 3: information and a source.
Speaker 2: For the news that may be happening in that community
Speaker 2: at any given time.
Speaker 3: This is remarkable to me. Mister Newton reported that just
Speaker 3: in the last few days of nineteen seventy eight into
Speaker 3: just the first few days of nineteen seventy nine, about
Speaker 3: a week's time period, the head talked to at least
Speaker 3: twenty four people who told him they had an encounter
Speaker 3: or that a family or loved one had an encounter
Speaker 3: with this creek. That tells us that is more evidence
Speaker 3: that the statements made by me and other researchers that
Speaker 3: the actual encounters far out numbered. They were afforded encounters
Speaker 3: by a great factor, mister Eldridge Cook, who was the
Speaker 3: son of Many Cook. Many Cook being probably the most
Speaker 3: famous figure during all of this that was going on
Speaker 3: in this town period. But he certainly kept his finger
Speaker 3: on the faults of his small community. Over here Coppner's job,
Speaker 3: and he talked to many people who reported seeing this creature.
Speaker 3: There were some that reported that the creature or creatures
Speaker 3: were cited in the apple orchard near Coppner's job with impunity,
Speaker 3: picking apples and standing there. There's the different types of.
Speaker 2: Sightings we have, the nighttime signings, and often the nighttime
Speaker 2: sightings involved a roadside sighting where the creature may be
Speaker 2: standing by the road.
Speaker 3: Or crossing the road, or very near the road. And
Speaker 3: I found an encounter that particularly struck a nerve with me.
Speaker 3: It was Felling by the name of mister Wayne Earl.
Speaker 3: He and his wife were driving late at night on
Speaker 3: the porch of his father's house. They saw a figure
Speaker 3: or a shadow as the headlights lit the porch up.
Speaker 3: It wasn't just any figure or any shadow, it was
Speaker 3: one of these creatures. Now what it was doing on
Speaker 3: that porch. She knows, but I think it was probably
Speaker 3: trying to peer in the windows. People of Appalachia have
Speaker 3: some rules, and a big one is you close your
Speaker 3: curtains that night.
Speaker 2: We'll go to the extent of pinning them shut because
Speaker 2: the mountain people, the foothills people do not want the
Speaker 2: unknown peering in through their windows while they're in the
Speaker 2: privacy of their own home. We certainly don't want a
Speaker 2: set of red eyes looking upon us while we sleep
Speaker 2: in our bed. Horrible night time encounter that.
Speaker 3: Affected people for the rest of their lives, but also
Speaker 3: they come encounters equally affected people for the rest of
Speaker 3: their lives. Want I ran across she was a very
Speaker 3: credible witness, the wife of the deputy sheriff here in
Speaker 3: Cleveland County. But she was driving near the old Methodist
Speaker 3: campground there by the pond. Walking along the bank was
Speaker 3: one of these creatures called black Harry walking on two feet.
Speaker 3: We find that the descriptions of this creature are these
Speaker 3: creatures for the most part, and we're going to talk
Speaker 3: about that later, but these descriptions were remarkably consistent, same
Speaker 3: general size, same general way. It lends further credibility to
Speaker 3: the whole thing, despite what the skeptics will say. And
Speaker 3: we're gonna touch on that as well. There was a
Speaker 3: gentleman by the name of Ben Morris. Daytime sightning very
Speaker 3: deeply affected him. And it sounds simple, but if you
Speaker 3: put yourself in his shoes and understand how he felt
Speaker 3: writing daytime in his car there by the road, climbing
Speaker 3: a bank one of these creatures the bank on two feet,
Speaker 3: and stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see.
Speaker 2: We'll be right back after these messages.
Speaker 3: And mister Morrison was actually ridiculed by a skeptic after
Speaker 3: that happened. There was a reporter by the name of
Speaker 3: Robert Williams, and I remain charly grateful to mister Williams.
Speaker 3: May he rest in peace. He is actually the one
Speaker 3: who is credited with giving our South Mountains Bigfoot its nickname,
Speaker 3: which is Nobby. We call them Nobby or Nobby's.
Speaker 2: To this day.
Speaker 3: There was names that the old folks used to call
Speaker 3: them Booger's, false mo wapus, but ever since the late seventies,
Speaker 3: Nobby has stuck. I ran across an interview that he
Speaker 3: did with a hunter whose name was Taylor Falls now
Speaker 3: mister Falls went on record as engaging one day during
Speaker 3: the summer of nineteen seventy eight in the illegal deer hunt.
Speaker 3: He said that a buck stepped out and he raised
Speaker 3: his right before he could take a shot, his creature
Speaker 3: stepped out between him and the buck deer, and this man,
Speaker 3: who loved hunting so very much that he was willing
Speaker 3: to break the law and possibly get in trouble to
Speaker 3: do it.
Speaker 2: From that day forward, swore off. Honting swore off going
Speaker 2: into the woods.
Speaker 3: In the late spring of nineteen seventy eight, the same
Speaker 3: reporter interview to man who was fishing in one of
Speaker 3: the many waterways of the South Mountains, and there, in
Speaker 3: the quiet, calm stillness of the river or the creek,
Speaker 3: the unknown had stepped out of the deep woods, and
Speaker 3: people were seeing the unknown on a regular basis. When
Speaker 3: they weren't seeing the unknown, they were hearing the unknown.
Speaker 3: This area has always been nulled for strange and unexplained phenomena,
Speaker 3: weird things, that's called odd things. That's got the old
Speaker 3: ghost cryptids, lights in the woods, lights in the sky.
Speaker 3: But during this time period, many different people from many
Speaker 3: different areas within the South Mountains periphery were reporty seeing
Speaker 3: creatures tall, covered in black hair, looking somewhat like a
Speaker 3: looking somewhat like a man. In these screams and these yells,
Speaker 3: and these hollers and whales that people were hearing all
Speaker 3: hours of the day.
Speaker 2: People were being frightened, especially at night.
Speaker 3: When you hear these strange sounds that come out of
Speaker 3: these mountains at night, echoing off of every tree in
Speaker 3: the holler, in the creek bottoms. It'll terrify even the
Speaker 3: strongest person and make you not bull be outside, or
Speaker 3: make you not buller be in the woods.
Speaker 2: That's what they were dealing with, and people were worried
Speaker 2: and scared.
Speaker 3: Speaking of a reporter by the name of Robert Williams,
Speaker 3: and I am again I want to say this eternally
Speaker 3: grateful for his work because he preserved some of the
Speaker 3: eye witnesses accounts, he preserved history in his newspaper articles.
Speaker 3: Mister Williams interviewed officially, it was in the South Mountains
Speaker 3: area of fishing one day out of the woods stepped
Speaker 3: one of these creatures, same description, big, tall, covered in
Speaker 3: black hair, and as quickly as the creature appeared, it
Speaker 3: disappeared back into the woods.
Speaker 2: But our fisherman did.
Speaker 3: A strange and I would have to say bold thing,
Speaker 3: because he went back to that same spot the next
Speaker 3: day with a fire arm.
Speaker 2: Why he did it's probably lost to history.
Speaker 3: But he waited it out and the creature made an appearance,
Speaker 3: and he took a shot at the creature.
Speaker 2: But whether he hit it or not, it may be
Speaker 2: lost to history.
Speaker 3: I find no record of any type of interview after
Speaker 3: the day that he took a shot at the creature.
Speaker 3: He may have shot at it because he told someone
Speaker 3: about his experience and they made fun of him or
Speaker 3: didn't believe him, and he wanted to go get the evidence.
Speaker 2: Who knows, your guess is as good as one. An
Speaker 2: air account that I ran across ten am one morning.
Speaker 2: A lady named Miss Argill was writing up the road,
Speaker 2: and I know the exact road. I'm not going to
Speaker 2: mention the exact place. But she saw what she thought
Speaker 2: was a large black dog. She slowed down. According to
Speaker 2: her testimony, it took to about thirty miles an hour.
Speaker 2: She realized that it wasn't a flood dog.
Speaker 3: She said that this thing running on all fours. She
Speaker 3: never said if it raised up on two feet or not,
Speaker 3: and that's going to be an important thing later, but
Speaker 3: that it was able to look into her window. She
Speaker 3: went home and she told her husband, and he said,
Speaker 3: don't tell anybody, they'll think you're crazy. Of course she did.
Speaker 3: It affected her deeply, and she went on the record
Speaker 3: as saying how deeply it affected her.
Speaker 2: And it's a common thing. I've talked to many witnesses
Speaker 2: over the past four or five years.
Speaker 3: There was a lot of people out there that won't
Speaker 3: come forward at all because to this day, even though
Speaker 3: this happened all as many years ago, they don't want
Speaker 3: to be called crazy or ostracized. If everyone came forward
Speaker 3: that had experiences, whether it been in that time period
Speaker 3: or any other, because this area has been null for
Speaker 3: cryptid activity, if everybody came forward that had encounters, I
Speaker 3: could probably do a whole boatload of episodes of just
Speaker 3: eyewitness encounters for who knows how long. Now we're going
Speaker 3: to get back to miss connight, But I wanted to
Speaker 3: get to the twist in the story, the thing that
Speaker 3: I didn't see coming, you say. A friend of mine
Speaker 3: named Dwight Campbell of Sasquatch Greecon found an old documentary
Speaker 3: that a man named John Alexander of Tennessee. Did he
Speaker 3: came into this area and he interviewed many eyewitnesses, and it.
Speaker 2: Was preserved on camera.
Speaker 3: In particular, there was a witness that I had read
Speaker 3: about by the name of mister Ferrell Shuk. Its full
Speaker 3: page picture appears in the A big Footcase Book, the
Speaker 3: updated edition, but it just said that he saw the
Speaker 3: creature and always assumed it was talking about a sasquatch.
Speaker 3: But mister Shuk was interviewed on camera in the course
Speaker 3: of this documentary. He reported that one Saturday in the afternoon,
Speaker 3: he went out to feed his cows in out of
Speaker 3: the woods. This creature on all fours, black and big,
Speaker 3: and it went to a ditch and it picked up
Speaker 3: a chicken that was dead that mister Schuk had discarded,
Speaker 3: grabbed it by its mouth, and then went back into
Speaker 3: the woods. Mister Schuck didn't see a bigfoot. That wasn't
Speaker 3: the only thing rolling and stalking this area during that
Speaker 3: time period.
Speaker 2: It was a large.
Speaker 3: Black panther the Appalachian Mountains in general. Many people, including myself,
Speaker 3: have made reports of seeing these black panthers, but apparently
Speaker 3: the one that mister Schuk saw and most likely miss
Speaker 3: Knight saw was a big black pet. Mister Schuk went
Speaker 3: as far as setting a trap for it. Whether he
Speaker 3: caught anything that may be lost to history as well,
Speaker 3: unless somebody out there knows something and if you do,
Speaker 3: reach out to me. So during this time period, it
Speaker 3: was enough to have these upright hairy creatures walking around
Speaker 3: that looked kind of like a man kind like an
Speaker 3: At the same time people were seeing a big, oversized
Speaker 3: black panther. The vocalizations reported during this time period. Now,
Speaker 3: I want to point out that a researcher came into
Speaker 3: this area named Jim Hollingsworth and he played recordings from
Speaker 3: out in the Pacific Northwest and some people identified those
Speaker 3: sasquatch sounds that were recorded in that part of the
Speaker 3: country and said, yeah, that's pretty much what I heard.
Speaker 3: But there was the vocalizations people heard. Perhaps the most
Speaker 3: terrifying of the vocalizations, and that was this screaming sound
Speaker 3: that sounded like a woman screaming in the night.
Speaker 2: Absolutely unnerving. But then there's another twist. There was footprints
Speaker 2: found during this time period that no doubt point toward
Speaker 2: encrypt did like Bigfoot or as we call them, Nobby.
Speaker 3: The nobbies, but there was also footprints found that were
Speaker 3: unmistakably big cat footprints. But there was a third type
Speaker 3: of footprint found during this time, the one that got
Speaker 3: me puzzed, and that was many of these seasoned hunters,
Speaker 3: these people that could track anything through the wilderness, who
Speaker 3: knew the wildlife of this area and could tell one
Speaker 3: track from another. But they found these huge tracks as
Speaker 3: large as a man's head that was described as looking
Speaker 3: like they were part dog but also part cat, and
Speaker 3: I started putting some things together.
Speaker 2: Some people may disagree with me, but I'm going to
Speaker 2: give you my opinion. I think the.
Speaker 3: Third cryptid that was rolling these parts during that same
Speaker 3: time period, who still rolled these parts to this.
Speaker 2: Very day, was a dog.
Speaker 3: And I know very little about that, but I'm learning.
Speaker 3: We're going to talk more about this three way terror
Speaker 3: that people was experience.
Speaker 2: We're going to talk about some of the host experienced
Speaker 2: things that our witnesses had to say to show their
Speaker 2: frame of line in world. Also going to discuss the
Speaker 2: skeptics in the naysayers.
Speaker 3: The subject we're going to cover tonight is without a doubt, horrifying.
Speaker 3: It's disturbing, and I don't mind admitting to you and
Speaker 3: in front of the rest of the world, that it
Speaker 3: is a subject that terrifies me as a person who
Speaker 3: doesn't like to stay on the beaten path. I'm not
Speaker 3: a marked trail kind of guy. I want to get
Speaker 3: out into the deepest, wildest parts of the wilderness to experience.
Speaker 2: The dynamics and the beauty of nature.
Speaker 3: At one hundred percent rate, I can tell you that
Speaker 3: this subject gives me great pause. Tonight, we're going to
Speaker 3: be talking about the subject of feral people, specifically, do
Speaker 3: feral people still exist.
Speaker 2: In the Appalachian Mountains and foothills.
Speaker 3: Now, I ask you to keep in mind that I'm
Speaker 3: not talking about people who ever recently or in the
Speaker 3: recent past, detached from society and now they're living a
Speaker 3: life of semi isolation as survivalists or as home less people.
Speaker 2: Not at all.
Speaker 3: I'm talking about people whose ancestors, generations and generations of go,
Speaker 3: for whatever reasons, under whatever circumstances, became isolated or chose
Speaker 3: isolation in the deep wilderness in pockets up and down
Speaker 3: the Appalachian Mountains and foothills. The question is, do their
Speaker 3: descendants still exist in the Appalachian Mountains today? Evidence suggests
Speaker 3: that they do in fact still exist, my witness testimonies.
Speaker 3: More importantly to me, it's the word of the mountain
Speaker 3: people that say yes, they do exist, and I give
Speaker 3: heavy weight to the word of the mountain people. It
Speaker 3: is said that these feral people have their own language,
Speaker 3: that they have their own system of communication, for purposes
Speaker 3: of locating one another at distance, for purposes of facilitating
Speaker 3: the hut, for purposes of alerting the presence of intruders,
Speaker 3: and even for purposes of setting up attacks and ambushes.
Speaker 3: It is said that they display the characteristics of generations
Speaker 3: of inbreeding, and common sense dictates that, being that there
Speaker 3: is the severe state of their isolation, it is believed
Speaker 3: that they are very violent, and while they would certainly
Speaker 3: at all costs avoid any accidental contact with any element
Speaker 3: of the outside world, many believe, including myself, that they
Speaker 3: will perch on the boundary between their world and our world, hiding, watching,
Speaker 3: being stealthy, waiting. When we intrude into their world and
Speaker 3: they are given the opportunity to raid an unattended camp
Speaker 3: for gear, for food, for clothes, for shoes, for whatever
Speaker 3: they can use.
Speaker 2: That they'll do it.
Speaker 3: But the most terrifying aspect of this subject is the
Speaker 3: fact that there is plenty of evidence in testimony that
Speaker 3: tells us that they will opportunistically resort to cannibalism, which means,
Speaker 3: as true hunter gatherers, they will not only engage in
Speaker 3: hunting wabi, but they'll engage in hunting us. An undisputed
Speaker 3: fact is that thousands of people in the wildernesses of
Speaker 3: North America have gone missing, vanished, no explanation, never to
Speaker 3: be seen again. And the Appalachian Mountains certainly no stranger
Speaker 3: to that story. So grab your favorite beverage and give
Speaker 3: me a few minutes of your time, especially if you're
Speaker 3: a hiker or a camper, or a hunter or a fisherman.
Speaker 3: I think that tonight's subject is worth beying attention to.
Speaker 3: We're going to first cover an account of an experience
Speaker 3: by a man whose name is James. Then we'll cover
Speaker 3: the body of evidence around feral people, and I will
Speaker 3: share with you an experience that I had when I
Speaker 3: was with a group of people and something we ran
Speaker 3: across in the wilderness of western North Carolina. Now our witness, James,
Speaker 3: in the mid nineteen seventies was a young college student
Speaker 3: and James was born and raised just past the extreme
Speaker 3: western end of the South Mountains of North Carolina, so
Speaker 3: he can be said that he was a child of
Speaker 3: two worlds, that he was a child of the foothills
Speaker 3: and he was a child of the big mountains.
Speaker 2: As I called him.
Speaker 3: He would have been at home in the South Mountains.
Speaker 3: It would have been equally at home in the Lynnville
Speaker 3: Gorge or Rhan Mountain or Wilson's Creek, to name a
Speaker 3: few places. Definitely a person in the way he was raised,
Speaker 3: hunting and fishing. Definitely a person at home in the woods.
Speaker 3: But it was during his time at the university when
Speaker 3: he developed a passion, a lifelong passion.
Speaker 2: For something that he had never experienced before.
Speaker 3: He was invited and took the opportunity to go on
Speaker 3: a long range hiking and camping trip along the Appalachian
Speaker 3: Trail with some of his college friends.
Speaker 2: That was a passion that never left him the rest
Speaker 2: of his life to this day. If he could still
Speaker 2: do it, he would do it.
Speaker 3: In the sun of nineteen seventy seven, James became completely
Speaker 3: disillusioned with the university scene, just tired of college life,
Speaker 3: and he elected not to go back that fall to
Speaker 3: start his senior year at the university, so he moved
Speaker 3: back home. He got a job in a furniture plant,
Speaker 3: and he moved on with his life. Later in that year,
Speaker 3: near the end of the year, James began to plan
Speaker 3: a trip of vacation.
Speaker 2: This trip would take place in the springtime. He secured
Speaker 2: time off from work.
Speaker 3: Springtime came in the second week of April nineteen seventy eight.
Speaker 3: James stepped off on this great adventure. Now his intent
Speaker 3: was to fake deep into this wilderness area he had
Speaker 3: never explored before, set up a base count, and then
Speaker 3: each day he was there for a week, he would
Speaker 3: hike in a different direction to explore, to experience nature,
Speaker 3: to see what he could see. He budgeted time that
Speaker 3: day so that he would arrive at his desired destination
Speaker 3: with a couple hours. He needed a couple of hours
Speaker 3: of daylight to get camp set up, to get him
Speaker 3: some food, to have a minute to stop and rest.
Speaker 2: And that's what he did.
Speaker 3: And he sat there, join a cup of coffee and
Speaker 3: join the smoke, got in bed early, and stay tuned
Speaker 3: for more sasquatch out to see.
Speaker 2: We'll be right back. After these messages, the next morning,
Speaker 2: woke up before the sun was up.
Speaker 3: He took time to make him some breakfast, have some coffee,
Speaker 3: and then too secure his camp to pull his food
Speaker 3: in anything to smell like food. So what you do
Speaker 3: is you put them in bags, You tie rope around it,
Speaker 3: You throw the rope over a high branch in a tree.
Speaker 3: You pull those bags up off the ground a fair
Speaker 3: distance as a countermeasure against bears. If you don't, you
Speaker 3: don't have the snout of a bear in your tent,
Speaker 3: or you'll come back and find your camp decinated.
Speaker 2: That's what bears do, and.
Speaker 3: As it turned out, apparently there's other things that did
Speaker 3: that as well. But he did all of that morning.
Speaker 3: He donned his backpack, he rucked up, booted up, and
Speaker 3: left out.
Speaker 2: On his journey.
Speaker 3: Just about five minutes into his height, James heard a
Speaker 3: noise that was completely foreign to him, something he had
Speaker 3: never heard in the woods before.
Speaker 2: Now, keep in mind, when you're familiar with.
Speaker 3: A certain wilderness area, a certain part of the country, you.
Speaker 2: Know what sounds to expect.
Speaker 3: You know what sounds the wildlife makes, the sounds of
Speaker 3: trees creaking against one another, and so on and so forth.
Speaker 3: But James knew that was not a natural sound in
Speaker 3: the wilds. James said that he somehow instinctively felt that
Speaker 3: this clicking noise was a noise man made by a
Speaker 3: human using their mouth. He thought about it in a minute.
Speaker 3: It bothered him some, but he filed away and continued on.
Speaker 3: Just about five more minutes down the trail, he realized
Speaker 3: that he had a.
Speaker 2: Hedchhiker in his boot.
Speaker 3: He had put on his boot, got up pebble or
Speaker 3: a piece of debris in his boot, and it gravity
Speaker 3: took over and worked its way down and he was
Speaker 3: stepping on it every other step.
Speaker 2: He had to deal with it.
Speaker 3: He stopped, sat down against tree, took his boot off,
Speaker 3: and sure enough there was that pebble. He put his
Speaker 3: boot back on, got ready to take that next step,
Speaker 3: and he heard a distinctive sound. This time he knew
Speaker 3: exactly what it was. It was the sound of human voices.
Speaker 3: And these human voices were coming from the direction of
Speaker 3: his camp. But they weren't speaking English. They just didn't
Speaker 3: sound right. He slowed his steps even more. His camp
Speaker 3: would be just over the next rise and would come
Speaker 3: into sight. Then he heard the clicking sound again, but
Speaker 3: from two directions from off to his left and off
Speaker 3: to his right. He came close to the top of
Speaker 3: that rise. The clicking sound had just occurred, and he
Speaker 3: heard eruptus. He heard scurrying in the direction of his camp.
Speaker 3: He heard the sound of what seemed to be maybe
Speaker 3: one of his pots being dropped on the ground. And
Speaker 3: he heard the strange sound of one of those voices,
Speaker 3: except this time the voice was much higher pitched. It
Speaker 3: sounded in a panic even, And he heard running from
Speaker 3: his left and from his right. The leaf litter in
Speaker 3: the Appalachian forest, if it hasn't rained lately, the leaf
Speaker 3: litter walking or running in it will give you away
Speaker 3: every time. Off in the distance, he heard a sound,
Speaker 3: and he knew exactly what it was.
Speaker 2: It was sound of human voices.
Speaker 3: Except the words that he was picking up didn't sound English.
Speaker 3: They didn't sound intelligible at all to him, and no
Speaker 3: disrespect to anyone. But these voices sounded like the sound
Speaker 3: deaf people make when they speak. He contemplated on what
Speaker 3: he should do. Should he just chalk it up to
Speaker 3: where there's people here doing the same thing that I am.
Speaker 3: There's hiking and enjoying nature, or should he go back
Speaker 3: and check on his camp, but by thend the curiosity
Speaker 3: was what was getting him certainly concerned about his camp,
Speaker 3: But curiosity dictated that he turned around and go back
Speaker 3: toward camp. He quickened his pace and came to within
Speaker 3: a few minutes of his camp. It wasn't in sight yet,
Speaker 3: but he heard those strange sounding voices again. This time
Speaker 3: is much closer, and he slowed his face and an
Speaker 3: effort would be more stealthy and be more quiet. Then
Speaker 3: another unexpected thing happened. James was hit by a very
Speaker 3: foul odor. He stopped in his tracks instantly. He was
Speaker 3: almost nauseated. It was not the musky smell of a bear,
Speaker 3: or the pungent smell of a scomp or any smell
Speaker 3: that belonged in the forest. For a second, he couldn't
Speaker 3: make heads or tails of it, but then it hit him.
Speaker 3: Woven in this foul stench was the unmistakable smell of
Speaker 3: human body o and he started walking again, draining closer
Speaker 3: to his camp, feeling more uneasy with every step. He
Speaker 3: slowed his steps even more. His camp would be just
Speaker 3: over the next rise and would come into sight. Then
Speaker 3: he heard the clicking sound again, but from two directions
Speaker 3: from off to his left and off to his right.
Speaker 3: He came close to the top of that rise. The
Speaker 3: clicking sound had just occurred, and he heard erupts. He
Speaker 3: heard scurrying in the direction of his camp. He heard
Speaker 3: the sound of what seemed to be maybe one of
Speaker 3: his pots being dropped on the ground. And he heard
Speaker 3: the strange sound of one of those voices, except this
Speaker 3: time the voice is much higher pitched. It sounded in
Speaker 3: a panic even, and he heard running from his left
Speaker 3: and from his rock. He topped the rise and caught
Speaker 3: his first glimpse of his camp. But on the opposite
Speaker 3: side of his camp, just a couple of seconds, he
Speaker 3: caught glimpse of three individuals running, running in the opposite direction.
Speaker 3: Now there was one that caught his attention, and this
Speaker 3: one was running. This person was running with a strange,
Speaker 3: gimpy gait. This person was much slower than the other two.
Speaker 3: This person didn't have a shirt on, was very odd
Speaker 3: consider it was still cold weather, not the kind of
Speaker 3: weather to be running around the woods without a shirt on.
Speaker 3: From the back, this person seemed to be somewhat misshaping.
Speaker 3: One shoulder was much lower than the other.
Speaker 2: That arm hung unnaturally low and off the back of
Speaker 2: the head flowed this stringy, thin hair almost down to
Speaker 2: mid back.
Speaker 3: But all three of the figures disappeared into the distance
Speaker 3: of the woods, and he saw the total picture of
Speaker 3: his camp for the first time, and it was destroyed.
Speaker 3: Anger hitting, and he stopped in his tract right at
Speaker 3: his spire pit and just began to yell and.
Speaker 2: Shout expletives, but it all went quiet. He looked around.
Speaker 2: Both bags containing his food, and his food items were
Speaker 2: cut out of the trees and galled, with the exception
Speaker 2: of a pot and the lids the tip was flattened.
Speaker 2: Still angry, he yelled again. He yelled louder, this time.
Speaker 3: Off in the distance on three sides of him, he
Speaker 3: heard welling, like a well sound. To him, it sounded
Speaker 3: almost celebratory, and it reminded him in a way of
Speaker 3: the Cherokee War whoops if you've ever heard that, or
Speaker 3: even the famous rebel yell, only repeatedly, and by then
Speaker 3: the feeling that he had was near panic.
Speaker 2: He wanted out of there. He didn't even bother picking
Speaker 2: up what little was left.
Speaker 3: He already had his pack on and he moved out
Speaker 3: swiftly and off in the distance again, he heard more noise.
Speaker 3: It was a wailing, chattering laughter, and it chilled his blood,
Speaker 3: and then a voice shouting something completely unintelligible. James left
Speaker 3: and he got out of there safely. But he returned
Speaker 3: the next day with reinforcements. He had called to friends,
Speaker 3: upprized them of the situation, came back the next day
Speaker 3: with the intent camp overnight and do the exact same.
Speaker 2: Thing he had done that day before.
Speaker 3: They came in camp, and then they feigned it as
Speaker 3: though they were going to go hiking. They even left
Speaker 3: things sitting conspicuously out in the camp, desirable things, left
Speaker 3: an axe. Nothing, they set up we would call the
Speaker 3: military a listening post slash observation post about ten minutes away,
Speaker 3: and nothing. They moved closer, said another while longer, nothing happened.
Speaker 3: They got back to camp. Everything was as it should
Speaker 3: have been, nothing was missing. James never returned to that
Speaker 3: area to camp alone, but he and his friends came
Speaker 3: back a few more times and hiked the area just
Speaker 3: seeing what they could find.
Speaker 2: A they found there.
Speaker 3: James had been alone in the deep woods. He was
Speaker 3: probably watched the day he hiked in. He was probably
Speaker 3: watched all night, and he was watched that morning when
Speaker 3: he left camp until he got out of sight. There
Speaker 3: was no doubt that these individuals came in to raid
Speaker 3: his camp. But the one thing that worked in his
Speaker 3: favor he left camp and unbeknownst to them, just about
Speaker 3: ten minutes away, he had stopped for that break where
Speaker 3: he had some coffee and was caught templating all this craziness,
Speaker 3: and they obviously thought he was further away, and he
Speaker 3: began to hear him.
Speaker 2: You know the story. What we don't know what else
Speaker 2: might have they had in store for James? And who
Speaker 2: were these people? What were they? Where did they come from?
Speaker 3: And I'm certainly curious as to what you say you
Speaker 3: make of this story as you will. You can believe it,
Speaker 3: you cannot believe it. I personally believe it. Take it
Speaker 3: as a tale of warning. But yeah, what do you
Speaker 3: make of it? We're still discussing the very frightening and
Speaker 3: disturbing possibility that pockets of feral people still exist in
Speaker 3: deep wilderness areas up and down the.
Speaker 2: Appalachian mountains and foothills.
Speaker 3: That we discussed the phenomena of fair people in general,
Speaker 3: and then we discussed some characteristics and we'll give them
Speaker 3: those again, but characteristics that were derived from the body
Speaker 3: of testimony, the body of evidence. We're just going to
Speaker 3: discuss everything in general again and talk about why it's possible,
Speaker 3: and I'll tell you about an experience that I had.
Speaker 3: I don't mean to suggest that the phenomena of feral
Speaker 3: people is endemic just to Appalachia the American South, as
Speaker 3: though I'm making fun of somebody here saying that people
Speaker 3: in mountain people or Southern people are more likely to
Speaker 3: become pharaoh. That's ridiculous, that's nonsense. That's all I'll say
Speaker 3: about that. I'm not going to make fun of my
Speaker 3: own people. I'm a curious person. I'm a researcher and investigator,
Speaker 3: and this subject caught my attention and I started wanting
Speaker 3: some answers.
Speaker 2: The phenomena of feral people is worldwide.
Speaker 3: In reports and discussion of feral people go back into antiquity. Now,
Speaker 3: these areas that has this concentration of reports, they all
Speaker 3: have something in common. Vast areas of uninhabited wildernesses of
Speaker 3: some type or another. Appalachian mountains, Appalachian foothills, absolutely the case,
Speaker 3: vast wilderness. Most of Appalachia is still wilderness, and I
Speaker 3: go on record with great confidences saying there's parts of
Speaker 3: Appalachia where no man or woman has ever stepped. You
Speaker 3: could hide a herd of wooly mammos out there for
Speaker 3: all we know. I'm not suggesting that's hyperble, but you
Speaker 3: could have wooly as out there and they might never
Speaker 3: be detected. In other words, there's no telling what's hidden
Speaker 3: in this vast wilderness that we don't know about yet,
Speaker 3: And we certainly don't know everything that we think we know.
Speaker 3: The Appalachian Mountains run for two thousand miles, for crying
Speaker 3: out loud, So you look at everything and you bull
Speaker 3: it down to its simplest form. There are more than
Speaker 3: just a few reports, these reports. This isn't a recent thing.
Speaker 3: They go back more than one hundred years. The Appalachian
Speaker 3: wilderness itself is more than capable of sustaining these pockets
Speaker 3: of feral people. The available building materials in the applelatched
Speaker 3: hardwood forest is great, and a primitive people would know
Speaker 3: how to make shelter out of these materials to get
Speaker 3: away from the elements. Then you factor in that there's
Speaker 3: vast cave systems and also dotted on the landscape up
Speaker 3: and down the mountains and foothills are these abandoned homesteads
Speaker 3: of barns.
Speaker 2: There's way out in the middle of nowhere.
Speaker 3: I've run across the available food in the Appalachian mountains
Speaker 3: and foothills. The diversity of animal life is great and plentiful.
Speaker 3: And also there's the plants, very biodiverse area in terms
Speaker 3: of plants for food and for medicine. But it's the
Speaker 3: disappearances that propel me more than anything else. There's some
Speaker 3: famous cases. One of these cases is the very tragic
Speaker 3: case of Dennis Lloyd Martin, a little six year old
Speaker 3: boy who in June of nineteen sixty nine, while into
Speaker 3: Great Smoking Mountains, he just vanished while within yards of
Speaker 3: his family. Some odd things about that case, but one
Speaker 3: of the things that gets my attention to most is
Speaker 3: the fact that from the highest levels of government, the
Speaker 3: special Forces out of Fort Bragg, North Carolina, was ordered
Speaker 3: to the Great Smoking Mountains to look for this little boy.
Speaker 3: The Green Bereys got there and they informed the authorities,
Speaker 3: and they informed the people running the searches. They said,
Speaker 3: we won't be a part of you. We've hired a
Speaker 3: couple of guides we're going out by ourselves. It is
Speaker 3: said that they did in fact encounter feral people, and
Speaker 3: it is also said that they killed some feral people.
Speaker 3: And I tend to believe that that's certainly not the
Speaker 3: kind of thing that our government is going to admit to. Obviously,
Speaker 3: but that's well within reason to believe that. The amazing
Speaker 3: thing is this, the total number of feral people will
Speaker 3: be very minuscule compared to the population. These scant numbers
Speaker 3: of feral people spread out over such a vast willness.
Speaker 2: Yet there's still all of these reports.
Speaker 3: We have in our society a certain segment that, no
Speaker 3: matter what, if something followed outside of that box of
Speaker 3: approved stuff, then they're not going to believe it. And
Speaker 3: worse yet, they will make fun of people. They will
Speaker 3: ridicule people, they will call people liars, they will call
Speaker 3: people stupid. And nobody wants to be treated like that.
Speaker 3: That's why the vast majority of people who encounter extraordinary
Speaker 3: things just keep it to themselves. I have learned this
Speaker 3: after three and a half four years of interviewing witnesses.
Speaker 2: Nobody wants to be made fun of, a ridiculed or
Speaker 2: called a liar.
Speaker 3: Imagine if everybody who's had experiences out of the ordinary
Speaker 3: came forward and talked about it. Now, the testimony of witnesses,
Speaker 3: we see similarities spanning the spectrum. We see in many
Speaker 3: cases great detail. Specific detail provided to include from my
Speaker 3: witness James. People report across the board at these deformed
Speaker 3: facial features, twisted bodies and spines, oddly enough cataracts, very thick,
Speaker 3: white milky cataracts, thinning, sparse, stringy hair, unclothed or clothed
Speaker 3: in rags, odd hairiness on their bodies, strange vocal guttural
Speaker 3: grunts and sounds. People hearing an unknown language and then
Speaker 3: hearing these cliques, tree knocks and whistles and things like that.
Speaker 3: That apparently is the way that they would communicate at distance.
Speaker 2: The bottom line is that it is well within reason.
Speaker 3: Isolated people can and probably do survive in the Appalachian Mountains.
Speaker 2: Now onto my experience.
Speaker 3: In May of twenty twenty one, I was invited to
Speaker 3: western Rutherford County to investigate a cave the small Now,
Speaker 3: this cave had been revealed after a control burned. There
Speaker 3: was a lot of foliage there. I believe they said
Speaker 3: there was some rhododendron bushes very thick. The control burned,
Speaker 3: burned all that way, and there was the cave. Who I,
Speaker 3: along with a group of people, want to explore it now.
Speaker 3: On the way there after it was in the wilderness.
Speaker 3: We got very lucky. We discovered a single track. Now,
Speaker 3: you have to keep in mind, on the forest floor
Speaker 3: of the Appalachian hardwood Belt, it's very difficult to find
Speaker 3: a track, much less a track with detail, due to
Speaker 3: the leaf litter and the debris and the weather.
Speaker 2: But we got very.
Speaker 3: Lucky and we found a single track. Now, the maker
Speaker 3: of this track had apparently stepped over a log barefooted,
Speaker 3: stepped over a log, and there was a giant patch
Speaker 3: of what's called ground seater.
Speaker 2: It's a spreading ground cover.
Speaker 3: But as they stepped over the log, they slipped, and
Speaker 3: at the terminus of that slippage they left an absolutely
Speaker 3: beautiful trap eight and a half inches long, definitely human.
Speaker 3: But two odd things about the track. The toes were
Speaker 3: splayed like this. Our feet because we wear shoes, our
Speaker 3: toes are like this. Their toes were splayed. But more importantly,
Speaker 3: that track this person was completely inovertly flat footed compared
Speaker 3: to the length, an extraordinary width to the track. After
Speaker 3: doing some research and talking to some people in the know,
Speaker 3: that's a sign of a person who has went their
Speaker 3: whole life walking barefooted. Now what regular person had of
Speaker 3: our society, we walk around the forest in the middle
Speaker 3: of nowhere in the Appalachians without shoes on. Our modern, tender,
Speaker 3: vulnerable feet could never do that. We don't have the callouses.
Speaker 3: But somebody who has done it their whole life will
Speaker 3: have very tough feet. So we have to explain this track. Now,
Speaker 3: the cave itself, the entrance in and out there was
Speaker 3: great wear. It was obviously made by flat footedness. Wasn't
Speaker 3: animal hooves or claws. So something was going in and
Speaker 3: out of that cave. It has to be explained. So
Speaker 3: what's the takeaway from this? One of people go fair
Speaker 3: a lot of reasons. They just get isolated, or there's
Speaker 3: some isolated cases of maybe people who isolated.
Speaker 2: Themselves for religious reasons. But it is more than possible.
Speaker 3: Now, I don't mean to suggest we bother these people
Speaker 3: or try to harm them or capture them in any way.
Speaker 3: We leave them alone, but I'm saying this, if you're
Speaker 3: a hiker or a camper, or you're proing to be
Speaker 3: out there in the wilderness. Just be careful and be aware.
Speaker 3: I appreciate all of you. I'll see you next time.