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I'm your host, Brent Thomas. We are gonna do the
second part of my interview with Jody Cook, who is
a dog man researcher, investigator, and he's the founder of
the North American dog Man Project and you can find
it at North Americandogman Project dot com. And he and
I did a two hour conversation and you might have
heard part one of that, and if you haven't, i'd
encourage you to go back and listen to part one
prior to listening to this episode. But that would be
episode forty four, dog Man Terror at Land Between the
Lakes with Jody Cook, Part one, and that was the
last episode generally speaking. I released these two parters within
the same week, but I'd noticed a trend where Part
two would never get the attention that Part one would,
just because it's released on an odd day, and I
don't think you guys are used to seeing the releases
on those days, so you're not catching them as often.
But I thought I would release this one on the
very next week as a part two to last week's episode,
So I hope a lot of you guys tune in
because this was an incredible discussion that Jody and I had,
and we talked about Land between the lakes. We talked
about dog Man other cryptids as well, but just had
a really fantastic discussion. So sit back, buckle up, and
I hope you guys enjoy the journey. We're going to
get to it. Now. Hang on, we're going in. So
does the government know these things are real?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: From yeah, because I'm one one ye, I'll go real
quick on the the encounters that I had. I did
a lecture okay at a coffee shop one day, and
I was, you know, talking about dog Man and it
was in this.
Speaker 6: Really high liberal area Okay, okay, and.
Speaker 2: The last people I thought, would everyone listen, you know
about dog Man? Okay, So you know, I'm I'm doing
this lecture and that you know, two guys walk in
wearing suits and they go sit in the back and
they're like notebooks, just like writing stuff and so forth.
And now my wife's there, my brothers are there, you know,
I have friends there. And the lecture's over and you know,
people saying hi, it was great, you know, and ask questions.
And these two guys walk up, they shake my hand,
they pull out their badges and you know they're with
the NSA. Oh okay, and I'm like, okay, am I
in trouble or something? They go, no, we're just listening
to your lecture. And I made the joke. I said,
you know, if you want, I can give you a
copy everything. And he looked at me straight face and says,
no worries, we have it already. I'm not kid. Yeah,
and he said and like I said, I have all
these witnesses to back this up. And he says, don't
be surprised if the government comes to you and answers
you a question about it and that and that's what
he said. So months go by and I get a call.
My phone ring since it's all zeros, okay, I'm like, okay,
I'm not answering this because it's probably telemarketer or something
like that. And then it rang again. So I picked
it up and I said hello, and this guy gets
on the phone. He goes, Hi, you know, I'm a
special agent so and so with the NSA and and
I'll get back why I have issues. It was the NSA, okay,
And he goes, I would like to talk to you
about dog Man and can we meet somewhere And I said, yeah,
I can meet you, you know, tomorrow at this public place. Okay,
very public place. And he goes, that's fine. You know
this is where it's at. Okay, we'll find it. I
get there about a half hour earlier. So I'm sitting
there at the table and there's a big kind of
like a bay window there so you can see out.
So I made sure like I'm in where a whole
bunch of people are.
Speaker 4: I'm not kidding, I don't blame you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So two black SUVs pull up. Three guys get
out there talking. One walks walks away. He's carrying a
you know, like a briefcase type thing, and he comes in.
He walks directly to me. He didn't ask or anything,
didn't call say I'm here where yet he comes straight in.
So he sits down, shakes my hand. Younger guy, probably
in his thirties. I mean, like slick back here, Thresh
really nice, you know, doesn't look government. He looks like
he walked out of a GQ magazine. I'm not kidding,
you know when I say this. The one thing that
caught my eye about him, he had a Mason's ring
on his pinking. Okay, and anybody tells you work for
the government, you can't wear anything except you know your
wedding there. Okay, you can't wear any other jewelry. Your
watch has to be a specific type of watch. It
can't be blaming or anything like that. So we're talking
and he pulls out a folder and in the folder,
you know, he pushes though to me because I want
your opinion on this. I open it up and it's
a it's a dead dog man, Okay, laying on the
side of the road. He goes, we didn't kill it.
It was hit by a vehicle. So they were there,
they recovered the body and they took you know, the
pictures of the body. Uh looked really real. I mean
it really did. You know. The the genital tools were
like human genitals. I'm not kidding. The front poles were
like like a hand, almost massive chest. It had two
sets of canines, which was really weird.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 2: On on on top, you can see the damage where
this thing was hit. The upper chasse area was busted open,
so it literally killed this thing. And and so it's
like different pictures of the body.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: He asked me my opinion on that. I mean, like
I said, it looked real. It really did. Looked one
hundred percent real. So I gave all my opinion what
I thought. He pulls out another folder and it's a
skeleton of a dog man that's on a silver medical table.
Oh okay, and it's you know, it's not like a
brand new type skeleton. You can you know, this thing's
been there for a while in the ground. And and
what's so unique about the photographs of the dog man skeleton?
I need to jump back for a minute. I did
a podcast and someone was asking me about have you
ever heard about the popping sounds stand there? Yeah? When
it stands, I said yeah, and he asked my opinion.
I said, I believe that they have a separate set
of joints and their hip in their arms, so where
they're able you know, to move their arms like a
human and able to stand up and go back, you know,
as a quadruped. And that's why it has a separate
set of joints. And I stated that, you know, you
hear about people shooting them point blank and it doesn't
hurt them. And I said, well, what I believe is
that the stern them is one big massive bone going
across the rib cage and the ribs are much smaller
on the side. But you have this massive piece of
bone protecting the chest. Okay, I kid you not. The
skeleton had all of that. It had the massive bone
that was on the chest like I always believed it was.
It had a separate set of joints in the shoulder
and a separate set of joints in the lake. You know. Uh.
It also had to double canine, meaning that you know,
you say, normal dog has two canines, but it had
an extra set behind it. Oh wow, okay, but yeah,
I mean it was The skeleton was everything that I've
always thought a dog man skeleton would be. And it
was about seven feet. The skeleton was. The body was
probably about seven feet, very slender body, massive chest on
the skeleton, and the the dead dog man. But like
you said, the only odd characteristic of the body was
the genitals were very human and you know, the I
had hands. But that was it. I mean, it was
like really sure. We didn't even sit and eat or
even have drink or anything. It was like I came
in real quick, as my opinion, and like the left
and that was it. And you know, I'm sitting there
thinking myself, Man, am I going to get punked? Hair?
Are they going to be cameras coming, you know, seriously,
because it's it's if it was a hoax, if I
was set up, somebody put a lot of money and
a lot of time to do it. Yeah okay, I
mean they would have to get a special effects artists
to do a body and to do a skeleton. And
did you ever see that picture floating around that dead
dog man on the gurney.
Speaker 4: I don't know, I can't think of one. If I have,
I haven't, I don't remember.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's yeah, there's this picture of this dead dog
man on a journey and actually it's from a movie
from Brazil. That surprise me. Yeah yeah, but if you
if you google it, you'll find it. But that I mean,
it looks real, but you can tell it's not. This
body was real. I mean to me, it was. It
was one hundred percent. So, like I said, those were
the only two encounters I have with the federal government.
And you know why I don't believe it was the
NSA because the NSA is data collector. That's all they do. Okay,
they collect data and they do, you know, analyze data.
That's it. They're not you know, like the FBI or CIA.
You know, our Homeland Security that are like the foot soldiers.
So I was at the in twenty twenty two, I
was at speaking at a dog Man conference in Paris,
Texas or Paris, Tennessee. And there was a retired federal
agent that was there that I was talking to. He
was there to listen and I asked him about he goes,
He goes, let me tell you, all government aidencies work together. Okay.
If the CIA wants to go out and talk to
someone about something and they don't want people knows the CIA,
then they use another agency that's less threatening, which is
the NSA, Okay, compared to Homeland Security or the FBI
or the Department of Defense or whatever. Okay, because everybody
knows the NSA is just data collecting, and you know
that's it. So he says, they their badges are almost
the same. They can get an ID from every single
agency out there, you know. And you know that's these
guys were probably from a different agency coming to me
as the NSA. You know that that that's what he said.
I'm thinking, well, that's probably what it is, but still,
you know that was it. It was those two. I've
never heard anything yet from anybody again or nothing, you know,
so it was crazy. But then that's where I go
back and say, you know, I don't believe these stories
about people having the government coming in threatening in their lives. Okay,
you know, does it happen. It could happen. Honestly, I'm
not gonna you know, doubt that it probably doesn't. But
it's it's just you know, if you if a dog
man's an asset to the government, you killed it. Yeah,
you know, they're going to be reading about how you
committed suicide. I mean, I'm serious, you know, you know
what I'm saying. They're not going to let you go
on a podcast and talk about how the government you know,
threatened you and took your bank account away and all
this other crazy stuff. Yeah you know, you know they're
going to put CP on your computer or something like that,
and they're just going to make you go away. Yeah,
that's for sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so yeah, that's funny. I think. You know, again,
this is a it's a very robust phenomenon though, Like
and you know, just as we're talking about dog men tonight,
ladies and gentlemen, if you're just joining us.
Speaker 2: But.
Speaker 4: They they do, they have a lot of because I've
heard several different descriptions all these things. The hyena face
one that you were kind of describing with the main
and then there's more of a looks like a like
a more slender but tall upright wolf. And then there's
I don't know, there's just so many variations. I got tail,
they don't have a tail. Then there's the digit grade
legs versus planted grade legs, and right you hear both
of those. Are we dealing with the same thing in
all of these or is it possible that we're dealing
with maybe different branches of the family tree here.
Speaker 2: Well, here's my opinion. Okay, yeah, and okay, when it
comes to dog man, it's a species, okay, okay, so
you're gonna have different breeds of the species, just like
dog canines. It's a canine species. You have different breeds.
It's basically the same animal, but it's just different breeds.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 2: Same thing with you know, humans, Okay, we are Homo sapiens,
but they're different types of Homo sapiens. They're black, white, Asian,
you know, Middle Eastern South American. We're all the same species,
you know, but they're different breeds of us. Okay, But
we're all the same. So it's it's kind of like
dog Man. It's kind of like in that thing, he's
part of a species, but they're different breeds of that species. Okay,
And so they're like, you know, we're all different as humans. Yeah, primates, human, gorilla, chimpanzee,
and orangutan. Okay, we're all primates. We're all part of
the same tree, but we're all different. It's just we're
the most intelligent of you know, the tree line. Yes, okay,
So that's how I look at dolphin. M it's like Bigfoot,
you know, his species. You know, they're different breeds. You know,
the North American bigfoot is different from you know, the Yawi.
It's different from you know, the Yetti. It's different from
the Russian amiska. You know, it's different from the Russian
or the Chinese wild man. You know, they're they're all
part of the same you know, species. It's just they're
different breeds of them. They're all different characteristics. So that
that is the best explanation for dog Man. You know,
you you just but here's the problem. It's not just
around the world. Here in the United States, we have
them all and that's what's weird is that we have
them all here in the United States. Now, when you
go to Europe, you know, the canine, you know, species
or breed is what is all over Europe. They don't
have a type three or a type two. They have
strictly the canine variation of it. Now Australia is different.
Australia has the type three version of the dog man.
Speaker 4: Can you describe the types? Would you mind?
Speaker 2: Quick? Well? The description is depending on who you're talking to,
is is kind of different. Okay. The Type one is
what people get confused with bigfoot. Okay, it's more of
a characteristics of bigfoot.
Speaker 4: Like okay, the bab based one, yeah, okay, gotcha.
Speaker 2: The Type two is you know, a bigfoot type body
but somewhat of canine characteristics. Okay. The Type three is
the werewolf body itself but with human legs. Okay. And
then you have the canine, which is your haling for
Van Helsing style type dog new Okay. Those are about
the different Those are the different types. But you know
the very there's a variation that somebody put out that
has like so many different types of variations of dog
man that's been reported in the United States. But like
I said, that's all here, but you know, Europe is
pretty much the same. There was a town in Germany
and I can't think of the name of it starts
with an end. It's not Nurnberg. It's just like a
three or four letter word. But I've got a copy
of the newspaper print. It was from like eighteen thirty one,
oh okay, and they were still using wood carving for
the pictures and they put the yeah, and there were
this werewolf came in town during the day and there
was huge ride up about it and the artwork and
it's a type three it's it's it's, you know, a
typical werewolf with human style legs with four toes and
it's a beautiful picture. We actually have it on our website,
that picture and so, like you said, that's that's very
well known characteristic of dog man in Europe, and even
the Hall dog maned case in England is you know,
the same same type characteristic.
Speaker 4: Wow, Okay. Do you think are these like a lot
of times we attribute Bigfoot as having almost or near
potentially human intelligence, is the same thing potentially true for
the dog man or are we dealing with something more feral?
Speaker 2: No? I think I think he's highly intelligent because we've
gotten a lot of you know, reports and encounters and
stories from people where these things are pretty pretty intelligent.
There are these two girls that were blocking and as
they were coming back to her car, they encountered one.
They ran to their car, got into car, locked the doors,
and the thing came up to the door on the
driver's side and was literally lifting the handle on the
door to open it. Knew, yeah, didn't mean you know,
it's that's intelligence. And then right outside of LBL, we
talked with this woman that she was in the living
room with her children. She was waiting for the husband
to get home. Now we're trying to make y'all picture
how the house is. So you have the living room
and if you're sitting on the couch, you're looking at
the hallway, and the hallway goes down to where the
front door is. But there's a wall there, but you
don't see it, okay, unless you walk out into the hall,
make a left and look and you see the door.
So the door. She hears the door open, and she
hears the footsets. So she's thinking, okay, you know, kids,
let's get ready for dinner. Dad's home. She said, this
werewolf walks in and standing there this scene was able
to turn the door knob the walk into the house. Okay,
So she put the kids behind the couch and there
was a baseball bat there. She grabbed the baseball bag.
So Mama Bear's ready to fight, okay, to protect the kids,
and it looks at her and it just she said,
it just went right back to out of the house.
You know, it was a it was a crazy story.
And you know which is telling it. I mean, she
did you have a fair and I mean, you know,
the kids are even describing this thing too, you know
and stuff, so yeah, you get that intelligence. And then
one other story real quickly was this guy, old guy,
his dog's in the kitchen like bar can go and crap.
So he turns the kitchen light on and he walks
over into the kitchen. He looks at the door and
he says, there's this freaking wolf trying to come through
the dog door. And he said, one arm in the
head is like through the door and he's trying to
get the guy's dog. Yeah yeah, yeah, So he's like
beating it with the broom and everything and stuff, and
you know, so I mean, yeah, it shows intelligence.
Speaker 1: Sure.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: We've got a comment here from Sasquatch Chronicles. A kenine's
anatomy is designed for four legged movement, placing about two
thirds of their bodyweight on the front legs. What other
kenine in the planet can walk on two legs a
normal animal? Not likely. It's physical and people see it,
but it's not a natural animal. Do you have any
thoughts on that, Jody.
Speaker 2: No, it's not It's definitely not natural. You know. The
thing of it is like the reports that we get.
We break him up into different groups flesh and blood, supernatural,
and extraterrestrial. Okay, we get a lot of each, honestly,
And you know this, this creature should not exist. Okay,
it's a fairy tale, fantasy creature. Okay, it's a nightmare
type creature. Okay, it should not exist, but it does. Okay.
I don't know how other way to describe it. I mean,
he's right, you know, there's no other specie that that's
capable of doing that, and these things should not should
not exist, but it does.
Speaker 4: Let me ask you this, Jody, because you you'd you
would mention that you saw images of the skeleton from
this government guy. When what what did the ribcage look like?
Because when you think of like a dog or a wolf,
they've got a very you know, they're a little more
narrow really from the sternum to the spine. They don't
they don't have the flat chest like we do or
like the great apes do you know, like the real
pronounced sternum is very flat. What did it look like
on this skeleton that you saw. Was it more like
dogs like we would recognize and the canines we recognize,
or was it more manlike?
Speaker 2: No, it was definitely not manlike. It was definitely canine.
You know, German shepherds and wolves are big chested dogs. Okay,
they have a very narrow rib cage that kind of
protrudes you know what I'm saying. Pyramid, it's the best
way to just say. It's not it's rounded, but it's
not really rounded. Its just it's very over Yeah, you know,
egg shape more or less, you know, point or something
like that. And this is how the rib cage was.
It was. It was massive. It was long and slender,
but like I said, it was the majority of the
rib cage was one big, massive boom and you did
see the ribs on the side. Okay, but like I said,
it was just like one big massive chest bone. Sure, yeah,
you know, but it's still you know, like our rib cage.
It's like our ribs come up and it comes to
like a you know, a point where the sternam is
you know, I hope you know what I'm saying it.
You know, it was just like that. It was just
like that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Okay, That's why I was curious, because because again,
when we're talking about something that can be bipedal or
it can be quadrupedal, you would think that, I don't know,
there would be some more more like.
Speaker 4: An ape kind of structure, I would think, But the
fact that it still has that same structure. But you
were talking about an additional hinges on the shoulders and
the hips. So maybe that's I can't I don't really
know how to picture that in my mind, the additional hinges.
Speaker 2: Like you're saying, but it's a socket.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: If you ever look at skeleton, okay, you see the
sockets where where it fits in, just just imagine an
extra one below it. Going. I'm trying to think how
the best way to describe this. So you have the
ones on the top or straight across, okay, and the
ones on the bottom were right below it, but it
was more a little bit forward.
Speaker 4: So you'd have a ball joint and then protrusional bone
and then another ball joint. Is that okay?
Speaker 2: Yeah, where you had the two ball joints instead of
being on top of each up and down, it was
you had one on top that was like you said,
just like going across like you're holding your arms out,
and the other one was just right below it, but
it was just a little bit forward.
Speaker 4: Oh interesting, okay, yeah, okay, well that helps.
Speaker 2: And yeah, because the one thing I know this because
I asked the guy said, you know the ones, the
ones blow that were below it and and forward were
for when it was down all fours okay okay, And
I said, yeah, yeah, that's that's what it is. It's
just now the one you know within the hip how
the hip bone, you know, it was very you know, elongated,
you know, like a dog, and it was kind of
the same it was below it, but it was kind
of forward. But what was kind of odd about the
the hip bone you were able to see a lot
of fractures and the hip bone like like German shepherds,
get that hip displays, you know, And I don't know
if that's what that was, but there was like a
whole lot of fractured man that was in in the
pelvis area.
Speaker 4: That's maybe what I got hit by a car.
Speaker 2: It just wasn't it was now this No, this the
skeleton was completely different from the body. It wasn't. It
wasn't the same creature. It was. It was different because
that's why he said. The skeleton. When you looked at
the skeleton, it was not a brand new skeleton. It
you know, it was yellowish color. There's black spots and
stuff that was on it. You know, it was old.
I mean it was old skeleton. Some of the teeth
were even missing. Some of the bat canines and our
molars and stuff were missing in it. There was a
part of the nose there was like a chip on
part of the nose that was busted off, and there
was like a fracture line that was like on I
guess would have been the right side of the skull
that kind of like went up a little bit. But yeah,
like I said, you know, it was a very very old,
old looking skeleton. So that the skeleton probably you know,
they had for years or something to you know, to
that effect. And you know, and here's the thing. I
always believe that we have remains of Bigfoot, we have
remains of dog man. And I really believe that somewhere
inside in Thethsonian Institute and a crate under a pair
of steps or something like that, is a crate that
has a skeleton of a Bigfoot or a skeleton of
a dog man or something. Because the they only put
out an exhibit if they have more than one. If
they don't have more than one, they don't put it
out as an exhibit. Okay, it stays in a box
until they get another one and then they put it
out a you know, so the Smithsonian. The guy I
was talking to who worked for the Smithsonian told me
that they still have stuff that they don't know about
because they're still moving stuff from paper to computer on
what they have, you know, they said, is so big,
the warehouses are so big. They don't know what they have.
And some of these crates and stuff. So you know,
they could have you know, a brand new species of
dinosaur that no one knows about that's sitting in the crate.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, they could have a you know, unknown species
of a bear sitting in some crate or some type
of animal that you know, not encrypted, but some other
type of animal.
Speaker 2: Uh, through evolution that changed to what they are today
that's in a crate. You know, they just they just
don't know what's there. And that's why I said, if I,
if I had a million dollars to lay down on
the table, I would guarantee that inside Amithsonian they have
at least a body of a big foot. Yeah, inside
that place.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it seems. I mean, there's of course, uh long
long legends of the Smithsonian coming through and like visiting
the giant mountains and stuff and removing bones never to
be seen again. Yeah. I mean there's so many claims
of that, so it seems there must be something love
luck Cave.
Speaker 2: Okay. If I was president of the United States, I
would cut off funding to bisonians until they until they
released everything.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I said, you're not getting a penny to you show
the bodies of the giants by foot all this other stuff.
Speaker 4: So I guess the next natural question then, is is
there an active cover up on a governmental level or
departmental level or what do you think on that?
Speaker 2: It's hard saying, you know that I okay, the FBI,
all right, like has two thousand classified documents on bigfoot? Okay, okay, okay, yeah,
yeah they do. I wrote them on the Free to
Information Act about Bigfoot, and I got like twenty two
copies of just nonsense okay, literally nonsense. But the report
that you get with it states very clearly that there's
two thousand plus documents that are classified that cannot be released. Okay.
So I asked the FBI kids. You know, they give
you a contact person there, right, okay, if you have
any questions about your Freedom of Information Act. So I
call the FBI and I talked to this guy and
I'm like, you know, can you tell me about these
two thousand classified documents? And he was really cool, you
know about it? And he goes, look, FBI doesn't go
looking for monsters. Okay, we have more important things to do.
But when we have two thousand classified documents on bigfoot,
this is why we have it. Okay. When an FBI
agent is out conducting it a field operation, he is
trained to document everything, regardless of what it is. So
if he sees something it looks like a bigfoot, he's
going to put it in his document. Well, that investigations
he's on may be classified or deemed classified. So that's
why it's classified, not because of the bigfoot that was
reported in there. It's the operation itself or they were
seen on a government property that is classified, okay, or
something to that effect. And that's the way he explained it.
And that makes sense. Okay, that really makes sense.
Speaker 4: Gotcha.
Speaker 2: So the Department of Agriculture, I believe, is collecting a
whole lot of data when it comes to cryptids, because
that's yeah that you know, the US four Services under
the Department of Agriculture. Okay, yeah, so that that's why
they would be doing it, you know, so they would
have to monitor, you know, if there's something going on.
I had a veterinarian from the Usvorce Service contact me. Okay,
she goes, man, I love your site and stuff, and
you know, she goes, you know, this is you know
who I am, this is who I work for. You
can look it up and stuff. I'm coming to you confidential,
you know, you know, don't release my name or anything
like that. But she goes, we're finding grizzly bears and
black bears dug up out of there. Then who are hibernating,
and their bodies are literally crushed, their chests are crushed
where something dug them out and killed them. Didn't eat
on them or anything, but literally killed them. So what
animal was out there that's big enough, mean enough, two
strong dig? Yeah, strong enough to dig a grizzly bear,
a sleeping grizzly bear, you know, out of harbornation and
kill it. You know, my personal band, it's a bigfoot
that's doing it. Okay, but this is what she said.
They were finding large canine tracks along with scratch marks
on trees, and the scratch marks are different than a
normal bear scratch mark on a tree.
Speaker 4: In what way do you can you elaborate or do
you know?
Speaker 2: Well, she's she just said. It's a bear normally hits
one particular spot on a tree. Okay, he may go
back to that tree again and do it again in
the same area. Okay, it's normally higher up on the
tree because the bear is standing up. Okay. These scratch
marks are going all around the tree, from the bottom
of the tree going up about seven feet, I mean
just literally all around a tree. Bears don't do that,
she goes, Bears do not do that. Whatever dug these
bears up and kill them. We're marking the trees next
to them.
Speaker 4: Oh my wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it could very well be a dog man.
Speaker 2: It could be a dog man. I you know, we
discussed this, and you know, it could be a big
foot too, or it could be an all brand new cryptid,
you know, but she did stay. Yeah. They were finding
extremely large canine tracks, but they were also finding human
style tracks, you know, like bigfoot also, so maybe they're
working hand in hand getting rid of the threat. I
don't know, But like I said, I can't verify the story.
You know, I was able to verify who, you know,
who she was and her credentials and so forth, but
you know, I can't verify, you know, because she didn't
provide me with any evidence because I asked. They said, man,
can you give me some pictures that it was like,
She's like, no, no, but I'll tell you, yeah, that's
not going to happen because it would got back to her. Yeah,
you know that she was the one, she was the weakend.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So got a question in the chat from Jose.
He says, Mike, dogman have also been leftover species from
like the Island dinosaur era, any ideas on their age appearance,
in other words, when did they show up in your opinion?
Can you elaborate on that?
Speaker 2: Uh Me, I did this article about dog men and
these different civilizations that spoke about dog men, you know,
through biblical times and things like that. So it's like
when I was in Iraq, our interpreter was telling us
about a tribe of dogheaded people that lived in the
mountains that would come down and you know, trade and
this is this is when Iraq was Babylon, Okay, would
come down in trade and they were able, they were
smart enough to understand our language, but we couldn't understand theirs. Okay.
So there's a lot of historical out there about dog
headed people. The Vikings talked about dog you know, having
fights with dog headed people, and they even talked about
here in the United States when they were here in America,
you know that there was a race of dog headed people.
Uh they were fighting with there was oh I'm trying
to think, mmmm, sat Christopher, Yeah, yeah, the dog headed Saint.
You know. The story behind that is that he belonged
to a tribe that the Christians fought against and he
was the only survivor and they captured him and taught
him Christianity and he became a saint, but they had
to change his parents to look like a human. Okay, okay,
yeah yeah, but there's actual, actual pictures of paint, the
original saint where he's he's a doghead.
Speaker 4: Yeah. The interesting thing though, is he's he's very much
depicted with a very keenid snout and everything, but then
he's also depicted as this bearded man.
Speaker 2: So I was, yeah, I was at a Christian store
and I saw Saint Christopher metal and it was a
dog head.
Speaker 4: Wow, that's cool on there.
Speaker 2: And it's like, this isn't a Christian Catholic store. Yeah,
I'm like, but it wasn't for sale. It was like
something they hadn't displayed. And I was like, man, that
is neat.
Speaker 4: I want that.
Speaker 2: And it's like, yep, that's the only one we got.
Speaker 4: That's too bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Do you know what he's the I don't know this,
but is he a patron saint of something? Like usually
all these saints are a saint of some something.
Speaker 2: He's at protection protection.
Speaker 4: Okay, sure that makes sense because I.
Speaker 2: Believe because I know I'm a Catholic and I should
know that, but.
Speaker 4: You know, you can go to confessionals later.
Speaker 2: I have to have to deal with that. Yeah, but.
Speaker 4: It did. I forgot what I was going to say now,
because anyway, that's very interesting. I think it's it's fascinating
to me. Do you think that these sinuscephaly are I mean,
obviously if they got dog heads, but they were very
much man like other than that, weren't they.
Speaker 2: And all their pictions they were the the the Iraqi
interpreter was telling us they they wore clothes, yeah, okay,
the close they actually wore cloths. Okay, uh, the Vikings
and the one story I wrote, the one story that
I did that the Vikings said they were naked. They
weren't wearing any any cloths or anything like that. They
were all completely you know, hair bodies. But they were
carrying weapons. They were able to know how to use
weapons because they were using swords from the dead Vikings.
Speaker 4: Okay, so yeah, but yeah, I mean, that's that's fascinating.
Do you think that's a direct lineage to what we
have over here as well? Or do we not have
that represented in the in the the canid species that
might be here in America.
Speaker 2: There here's the thing, Like, if you look at Native
American culture, there is really nothing in there, right, okay
that deals with the dog man except the Shawnee talked
about the wolf they'll walk like a man. That was
like the only thing I could ever find out when
you talked about the skin walker and naive American culture.
Could the skin walker itself be misidentified as you know,
or dog man being misidentified as a skin walker. That's
a possible chance. So the winding go Now, the windy
goo is is like the Native American version of the devil. Okay,
So that's something like, yeah, yeah, it's a demon something
completely completely different.
Speaker 4: Lucy, I think it's the name for the windy dude.
How big is a dog man print? Like, it's not
just the size of like a great like a big dog.
It's I've heard when I talked to Vin vic Kumdef
he was like, like the size of a dinner plate
kind of a thing. Have you ever seen anything like that?
Or what is what is your experience with the print?
Speaker 2: We we have a picture of a print that was
taken in Germantown, Ohio, Okay, And I've got the cast
and I got the picture of the print. It's you know,
there's still water that's like in this print. When I
found it, it looks like a bearer. Okay, it looks
like a large grizzly bearer. Okay. But here's the problem
with that. If it was from the size of it, okay,
if it was a grizzly bear, for it was even
a black bear, you know, this thing would had to
be eight hundred pounds, literally eight hundred pounds. I even
gave a picture to the the Ohio Department Natural Resources
because prior to that, we have a dog man screen
that's on there. And they came to us and they say, look,
can we have a copy of this for our records
because we have nothing like this, and they couldn't match
it up to any audio of any domestic animal in
the state of Ohio. It didn't match up to anything.
So they asked if they can have a copy of
it when we gain a copy of it. So the
contact I sent him a picture of the cast next
to a two hundred and fifty pounds black bear cast
that I took in Ohio, because we have black bear
and this Saint dwarfs, and like I said, that pictures
on the website also both cast together.
Speaker 4: Cool.
Speaker 2: And he said, you know, if this was if this
was a bear, okay, black bears, we never got this big.
If it was a grizzly bear, people would have known
it was a grizzly okay, which we don't have grizzlies
right in this part of the country. But he said this,
this animal would have if it was a bear, would
have to be eight hundred to one thousand pounds from
the size of the print. Wow, okay. And he said
the thing about bears is that they're noose and animals,
they let you know they're there. Okay, people would have
if this was a large bear, people would have seen it. Okay, Okay,
Now what makes this print look like a large grizzly
bear print? Because you have to understand, okay, when an
animal is large thousand pounds, eight hundred pounds, it has
to have a wider foot in order to support the weight.
You can't have a narrow, small foot supporting eight hundred pounds. Okay,
It's just not going to happen. So I think that
this was a much wider or print that kind of what.
It's four toed, it's not five. It has four toes
and Uh, it's it's very wide to support the weight
of the animal.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 2: That that's my opinion because, like you said, when you
see it next to the black bear print, the black
bear prints very narrow, very narrow, and you look at
the big foot prints, you know, the the the ankles
forward because of the weight on the uh you know,
the foot in order to support the weight it. Yeah,
it's much different. So you know, I I have one
really good print, and I think I had like two
other prints that weren't that good. It's just it's whatever
this thing was. It was in the tree line and
you saw where it was standing in the tree line,
stepped out of the tree line, made the print, and
it kind of like went back into the tree line.
So yeah, so, like you said, the print really good
and it has large nails claws to it. But like
I said, it's not a fake, and that that's the
thing the dn R looked at it. It's not a fake.
I mean, this is what I mean. Whatever made that
print made that print, and when you look at it
you can see it's it's you know, there's no way
something somebody walked there with a grizzly bear print just
threw it down on the ground because a grizzly bear,
you know, it has it has the front pad and
it has a smaller backpad. Okay, and that smaller backpad
would have showed up and you can see where it
went into the mud. It doesn't have that smaller back pad.
Speaker 4: Right. We're getting down to just minutes now, Jody, and
I want to make sure you have time to tell
people how to stay in touch with you, where to
find your books, and where to keep up with what
you're doing.
Speaker 2: Okay. They can go on www. North americandog Manproject dot com.
At the top of the page. There's a email that
says NADB Questions at hotmail dot com. If you have
a questions, you can email me there. If you want
to join, you can go on to the website and
join that way. You can contact me through my Facebook page.
You can contact me through any of the North American
dog Man Facebook pages that's out there. Like you said,
if you want to join one of the chapters for
your state, go on Facebook. You can do it that way.
If you have a siding you you know you want
to report, please report it on the website. That way
we can document it. You can find my books on Amazon.
So yeah, I did a I did three magazines called
Crypto Seekers Magazine, and you can go on McLoud dot
com and you can find the magazines that I did
on there. Oh yeah, I think there's three or four
of them. I can't remember.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, well you're gonna have to come back because
we've only just tapped the surface here, Jody. But it's
been an amazing discussion. Thank you for taking so much
time and not a problem for problem fielding all of
our questions. All right, everybody. That concludes Part two of
my interview with Jody Cook. I hope you guys enjoyed it.
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