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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to an air wave media podcast. Welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>Monster Talk, the science show about monsters. I'm Blake Smith

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm Karen Stolsner.

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<v Speaker 2>It's actually quite unlike anything we've ever seen before.

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<v Speaker 3>A giant, very creature part ape party mat in Luckness,

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<v Speaker 3>a twenty four mile long bottomless lake in the Highlands

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<v Speaker 3>of Scotland. It's a creature known as the Luckness Monster.

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<v Speaker 2>Monstertal.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been a long time since we've done an episode

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<v Speaker 1>where we actually just set around and talk. This will

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<v Speaker 1>be fun.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't even recall the last one we did.

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<v Speaker 1>It probably had something to do a monster months. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>maybe I thought this would be fun to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>some of the things I've been doing outside of podcasting

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<v Speaker 1>for a little bit. I did dragon Con and Cryptoon

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<v Speaker 1>back to back weekend, so thanks to my wife for

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<v Speaker 1>letting me leave the house.

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<v Speaker 2>It was great. Yeah, it'd be interesting to get a

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<v Speaker 2>bit of a roundup of everything you've been doing. And

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't been to dragon Con since two thousand and nine.

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<v Speaker 2>I think was the one and only time I went.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's well, and that's actually I think that's where

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<v Speaker 1>we met, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 2>And now I'm thinking it was two thousand and eight.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was two thousand and eight.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we met there because that's where we I

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<v Speaker 2>think you broached the topic of Monster Talk.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I definitely talked about podcasting. I think it took

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<v Speaker 1>me almost a year to actually execute, to get it

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<v Speaker 1>ass all together.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we started in two thousand and nine, right, but.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a fun year of planning and kind of

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about it. So I keep thinking about it as

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<v Speaker 1>being that we began in two thousand and eight, but

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<v Speaker 1>I think our actual first recording was like, I want

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<v Speaker 1>to say, July two thousand and nine, but that may

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<v Speaker 1>not be right, but it was definitely Yeah, I think it.

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<v Speaker 2>Could have been about June or July.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. But anyway, So this year I went I did

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<v Speaker 1>something a little different. So normally I hang out in

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<v Speaker 1>the Skeptic track the whole time, but Derek Tatum, who

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<v Speaker 1>runs the horror track, is a listener of the show,

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<v Speaker 1>and it turns out a lot of the people in

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<v Speaker 1>the horror track actually listened to the show. Is really cool.

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<v Speaker 1>So I went and spent some time with the horror track,

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<v Speaker 1>and we did a panel on the Hammer Frankenstein movies

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<v Speaker 1>all of oh great. And then we also covered Suspiria,

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<v Speaker 1>which had their fortieth anniversary and we went to see that.

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<v Speaker 1>It actually came out to the theaters a week later, like

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<v Speaker 1>a special remastered release, So Kathleen and I got to

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<v Speaker 1>go see Suspiria in the theater, which is really cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Cool. Yeah, and I think it's a lot of crossover

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<v Speaker 2>between skeptic tracks, science tracks, and horror tracks. I've been

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<v Speaker 2>going to horror Fest at Starfest in Denver for years now,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, a lot of people interested in the

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<v Speaker 2>same things.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and Dragon Con is such an amazing convention. The

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<v Speaker 1>numbers they release are about how many people actually attend

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<v Speaker 1>are a little vague. Six yeah, but I think if

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<v Speaker 1>you're actually realistic about it, it's probably more like eighty.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a lot of yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, no, no. They the streets of Atlanta

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<v Speaker 1>are just packed with nerds. It's fantastic.

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<v Speaker 2>So is it still across those four hotels.

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<v Speaker 1>Now it's across six So yeah, it's it's really spread

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<v Speaker 1>out and it really covers most of downtown Atlanta. Uh

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<v Speaker 1>So it's it's really fun. But they have a paranormal

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<v Speaker 1>track as well, So I spent a lot of time

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<v Speaker 1>sort of hanging out in the paranormal track, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>hearing what's what well. I love it because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm very interested in these sort of paranormal topics, and

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<v Speaker 1>while I'm a skeptic, I love hearing the latest stories

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<v Speaker 1>and what people are, you know, what the general thinking

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<v Speaker 1>is along these lines. So oh yeah, absolutely, I had

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<v Speaker 1>a good time. I got to go to some big

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<v Speaker 1>Foot talks, some ghost talks, and some physics talks in

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<v Speaker 2>And then I would think would have listeners who would

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<v Speaker 2>attend them.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm sure we do. I'm sure we do. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's really fun. I mean, the paranormal track is not

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<v Speaker 1>a particularly skeptical track. One of the on their big

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<v Speaker 1>Foot panel Bill Brock, and he's on Destination America's Monsters Underground,

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<v Speaker 1>and he has a YouTube channel and he's a good talker.

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<v Speaker 1>He's fun to listen to. While I don't agree with

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<v Speaker 1>everything he says, I did enjoy his talk. I chatted

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<v Speaker 1>with him there, and then I chatted with him again

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<v Speaker 1>at Crypticon briefly, but I'd love to talk to him more.

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<v Speaker 1>He had some interesting things to say. One of the

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<v Speaker 1>things he talked about was when it comes to bigfoot

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<v Speaker 1>throwing rocks, he says he's seen bears throwing rocks, which

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<v Speaker 1>I thought was a really interesting claim. I haven't seen

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<v Speaker 1>that myself, but you know.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I haven't heard of that before.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting, but it was interesting exactly. But what's funny is

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<v Speaker 1>the skeptic on the panel that he was on was

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<v Speaker 1>a guy went to college with Nam Kyle Cobb, and

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<v Speaker 1>Kyle was really taking the really skeptical position on Bigfoot.

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<v Speaker 1>But it was funny because Kyle on the track his

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<v Speaker 1>descriptions demonologist, and so I kept wondering, you know, if

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<v Speaker 1>I were Bill and I were trying to defend against Kyle,

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<v Speaker 1>my first question would be, you know, hey, you're calling

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<v Speaker 1>bigfoot bs, but your descriptions as demonologists?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I think Joe Nickel, if you go to his website,

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<v Speaker 2>he has about two hundred different names and titles that

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<v Speaker 2>he goes by, and I think he refers to himself

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<v Speaker 2>as a demonologist as well. I guess in the sense

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<v Speaker 2>of being an expert about demon.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's a title. I don't really know how one

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<v Speaker 1>gets fully qualified for it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I think it's one one of those ones

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<v Speaker 2>you give to yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>I think so, yeah, from what is it Thunderwood University?

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So why weren't you on any of these panels?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I so that's a great question. You're supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>if you're going to be a guest. You have to

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<v Speaker 1>submit a form to become a guest, and there's a

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<v Speaker 1>deadline for that. Yeah, and I totally blew it off.

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<v Speaker 1>And when I finally realized it was time to do it,

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<v Speaker 1>I made time. I had missed the deadline, so I

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<v Speaker 1>went with a regular membership and Derek from Derreck Haitum

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<v Speaker 1>was nice enough to get me onto the horror track

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<v Speaker 1>stuff as an add on, But next year I will

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<v Speaker 1>make the effort to get on properly. I really did enjoy. Plus,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like I would be a good fit for

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<v Speaker 1>the skeptic track, the paranormal track, and the horror tracks.

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<v Speaker 1>These are all topics I'm interested in, and I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like I'm competent to talk about these topics without too

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<v Speaker 1>much chance of sticking my foot in my mouth.

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<v Speaker 2>So you are, and you're a local as well.

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<v Speaker 1>That's true. I am a local, genuine Southern boy, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's the funny thing. Actually, when I was up so

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<v Speaker 1>the other thing, I went to is cryptic. And while

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<v Speaker 1>I was there, I after talking for a few minutes

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<v Speaker 1>with people from Kentucky, my southern twain came out big

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<v Speaker 1>time and right one of my friends asked me, what's

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<v Speaker 1>going on with that, you know, like I'm adopting the

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<v Speaker 1>Southern twang. Well, you know, as a linguist, this is

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<v Speaker 1>actually something you're probably familiar with, which is the old

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<v Speaker 1>concept of registers, right, So you have these social registers

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<v Speaker 1>you speak in for different situations, like so there are

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<v Speaker 1>always the presidents who go talk to a black church

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<v Speaker 1>and then suddenly they're talking like a black pastor and

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<v Speaker 1>everybody's like, oh, that's not that's this ingenuous, right, But

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<v Speaker 1>there are legitimate reasons why people talk differently in different contexts,

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<v Speaker 1>Like you wouldn't speak the same at a job interview

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, I think they're in linguistics would refer

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<v Speaker 2>to them as formal or informal environments. In some countries, though,

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<v Speaker 2>language that you'll speak exactly. You know. I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 2>where it is. I think it could be in Norway,

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<v Speaker 2>but they have book mal and Runna Mahle, and one

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<v Speaker 2>I've referred to, but yeah, and certainly I was in

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<v Speaker 2>Australia throughout August, and I think it took all of

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<v Speaker 2>for me to really just start converging towards the Australian

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<v Speaker 2>English accent. Again, it's a.

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<v Speaker 1>Huge tangent, but I feel like when I was growing up,

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<v Speaker 1>talking Southern made me feel ignorant, and now, as an adult,

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<v Speaker 1>I realized that was probably just you know, me being

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<v Speaker 1>hyper sensitive to the case those are stereotype, so I think,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, but I did make it a deliberate attempt

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<v Speaker 1>to try to learn to talk like to people on PBS.

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<v Speaker 1>And so when I'm hanging out with my family, not

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<v Speaker 1>my wife and kids, but my more extended family, I

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<v Speaker 1>and I feel very comfortable with that. I don't feel

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<v Speaker 1>like I'm faking it. I feel like this way I'm

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<v Speaker 1>talking right now is more of an affectation than the

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<v Speaker 1>way I talk naturally with my family, So it's a

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<v Speaker 1>little peculiar. I'm a little I'm a little at odds

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<v Speaker 2>So well, again, I think it depends on who we're

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<v Speaker 2>talking to. And you know, an example that's always used

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<v Speaker 2>in linguistics is if you went into a pub in England,

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<v Speaker 2>you wouldn't start using received pronunciation to sound like the Queen.

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<v Speaker 2>You'd be using more of a Cockney accent to get

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<v Speaker 2>along with other people in the pub. So you know,

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<v Speaker 2>different ways of speaking, either different accents or being more

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<v Speaker 1>And this may seem like a rabbit hole of the sides,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'll tell you that this is all. It all

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<v Speaker 1>matters because it kind of points to the complexity of humans,

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<v Speaker 1>like each of us is a very complex being. And

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<v Speaker 1>that matters because I think what visiting the Skeptics Track

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<v Speaker 1>and the paranormal Track and Cryptic con all reminded me

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<v Speaker 1>of how we're perceived being so important and people don't

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<v Speaker 1>get to know you over time, like you're you know

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<v Speaker 1>you when we're doing this podcast, They're only getting one

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<v Speaker 1>little facet of who we are. And we're really complicated people.

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<v Speaker 1>We have really complicated lives and right, right, and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't feel like I'm right. I don't feel like it'd

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<v Speaker 1>be phony. But that's that's you know, it is a form.

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<v Speaker 1>It is a It's definitely something we're doing on purpose,

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<v Speaker 1>where we edit the show and take out some of

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<v Speaker 1>the mistakes and we try to be as error free

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<v Speaker 1>as possible. We try to speak clearly, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't being appropriate for the domain that we're in.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So, but to admit that that I love monsters, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>to me is just a fact of my life, right,

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, it really is. But it's such a big

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<v Speaker 1>So there's been dozens of puns, right, dozens.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but listeners wouldn't like it if you dropped the puns. So,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, they're always talking about your puns.

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<v Speaker 2>They get turned off?

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<v Speaker 1>That's all right?

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<v Speaker 2>So cryptocon, were you invited as a guest or did

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<v Speaker 1>And they were great, they were delighted, and so they

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<v Speaker 2>So were you the only skeptical speaker there.

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<v Speaker 1>To the well, you know, there's this thing that happens

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<v Speaker 1>mean that to the best of their ability. But it's

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<v Speaker 1>not really the same as people who would be involved

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<v Speaker 1>Right, So practicing skepticism versus self identifying as a skeptic,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's somewhat different. Oh yeah, but it was really

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<v Speaker 1>Extremely well. So the first night, the three of us

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<v Speaker 1>When Cliff Barrickman showed up, which I think it might

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<v Speaker 1>And so I'm hoping Cliff will actually come and talk

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<v Speaker 1>to visit with us, like I'm hoping he will. We

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<v Speaker 2>I saw the photos on Facebook.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was great. I mean, I mean, these are

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm hoping that we made a good impression. But

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<v Speaker 1>Cliff definitely made a good impression. He really knows a

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<v Speaker 1>he had some really interesting things to say about the show,

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<v Speaker 1>which I will not disclose because I haven't really I

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, on some insider Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm hoping that if he comes on, we can

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<v Speaker 1>It was really great. It was wonderful meeting Lauren. I've

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<v Speaker 1>read his books. You know, he's been involved in cryptosology

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<v Speaker 1>for many years. Oh yeah, and it was He was

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<v Speaker 1>really fun to talk to as well. Again, I think

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<v Speaker 1>it was kind of funny because we have a reputation

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<v Speaker 1>as being very skeptical people. But I feel like I'm

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<v Speaker 1>especially not Joe. Joe's really good research, but I'm less

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<v Speaker 1>inclined to have a definitive answer for a case. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>the evidence we have but I don't know, because a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of these cases there's never going to be a

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, absolutely. I think a lot of skeptics will

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<v Speaker 2>draw conclusions and come up with I'll say that they've

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<v Speaker 2>on investigation. I'm not referring to anyone in particular, but

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<v Speaker 2>I think that you've got so many different character types

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<v Speaker 2>within I think you and I are definitely more moderate.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I would agree. I would agree we're very moderate,

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<v Speaker 1>and I hope we're being as true to what a

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<v Speaker 1>was a recurring theme in the people who have heard

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<v Speaker 1>you for not being an asshole, and I felt like,

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<v Speaker 1>I felt like, honestly, we're not, and so I felt

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<v Speaker 2>So we've occasionally had that, had it said that we

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<v Speaker 2>mock people or ridicule people or laugh the people. But

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<v Speaker 2>I think maybe that might have even been years ago

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe really good point.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe someone just listened to one episode and just heard

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<v Speaker 2>And who knows, but I think fine, large we try

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<v Speaker 1>I would say one of the things that is a sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>spider distrapped on my head, which I think I handled

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<v Speaker 2>I think you did, you really kept it cool. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>this is monster talk, so that was appropriate.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, so I try not to kill them. But I

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<v Speaker 2>Oh landing on your head during a.

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<v Speaker 1>Or landing on sorry so so now lost my track.

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<v Speaker 1>I can think of a spiders in my hair, but

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<v Speaker 1>fortunately I have very little hair, so you know that's okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So so this criticism of us uh being a holes,

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<v Speaker 1>you know again, most people were saying we weren't, which

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<v Speaker 1>was great. But the thing is when it comes to laughter,

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<v Speaker 1>I really can't control that, and so it's really easy

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<v Speaker 1>to read a lot into why they're laughing.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Oh yeah, I think some of it can just

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think we've ever done anything to be cruel

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<v Speaker 2>or maine.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, no, nasty. Right, even when we were at

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<v Speaker 1>our most contentious, I thought we were fair and even

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<v Speaker 1>rare times when I get righteous about cryptozoology. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>It rarely triggers me into like a oh no, this

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, I'd agree with you.

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<v Speaker 1>So so I get. I get. I get concerned because

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<v Speaker 1>I listened to so many paranormal podcasts and so many

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<v Speaker 1>cryptosology podcasts, and I hear how skeptics are described, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think, oh, no, you know, we have a real

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<v Speaker 1>I mean they can be the bad skeptic would say this,

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<v Speaker 1>and then they say something that a skeptic might say.

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<v Speaker 1>But but oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the thinking of that kind of you know,

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<v Speaker 2>prototypical skeptic on TV, the person who's brought in just

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<v Speaker 2>to say no and yeah, and that's pretty much all

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<v Speaker 1>Let's be fair. Those people do exist. I've heard them,

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<v Speaker 2>The way that they're portrayed with editing. We've just come

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<v Speaker 1>But this is all going to come to bear on

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<v Speaker 1>as well prior to dealing with that. And I've been

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<v Speaker 1>We do, and I love that. I know one of

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<v Speaker 1>Man as well. One of our listeners has been so

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<v Speaker 1>persistent and politely asking when are we covering the Lizard Man?

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<v Speaker 1>So I talked, I talked to Cotton. So I thought

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<v Speaker 2>And oh yeah, thought he was fantastic.

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<v Speaker 1>on Sunday morning, spirits. I think actually somebody drove into

424
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<v Speaker 1>a transformer, but yeah, basically there could have been spirits involved, right.

425
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<v Speaker 2>Of a different kind, right, Kentucky, Right.

426
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<v Speaker 1>It was. There was a big party going out on

427
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<v Speaker 1>the patio. Yeah, yeah, no, they had a lot of

428
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<v Speaker 1>I think there's two different distilleries in the town. I was.

429
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<v Speaker 1>The bourbon was flowing quite freely. It was.

430
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<v Speaker 2>It sounds like a lot of fun.

431
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<v Speaker 1>It really was. And the people, the fans were great.

432
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<v Speaker 1>I see the Monster fans there were actually, this is

433
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<v Speaker 1>the most amazing thing to me. There were fans who

434
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<v Speaker 1>came just to hear me talk from Monster Talk, and

435
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<v Speaker 1>so we had real listeners who drove from as far

436
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<v Speaker 1>away as Chicago. Really, yes, I was so humbled by

437
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<v Speaker 1>that and I really appreciated it. So I was able

438
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<v Speaker 1>to give them posters and sign them, and it was

439
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<v Speaker 1>really nice to meet everybody. And I feel kind of

440
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<v Speaker 1>dumb right now that I didn't catch everybody's name and

441
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<v Speaker 1>mention them by his name right here. But it was

442
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<v Speaker 1>fantastic because I knew that at least the third of

443
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<v Speaker 1>the people that came to listen to my talk were

444
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<v Speaker 1>actually fans of the show, and that was cool. It

445
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<v Speaker 1>was really great, so hopefully I didn't stumble through my

446
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<v Speaker 1>little talk too badly. I was trying to talk about

447
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<v Speaker 1>science and monsters and some of the overlap between those

448
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<v Speaker 1>topics and how we use science and monsters on our show,

449
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<v Speaker 1>and monsters is the springboard to talk about science topics.

450
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<v Speaker 1>There were a few people who I was getting a

451
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<v Speaker 1>little stony face from some of the people in the audience,

452
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<v Speaker 1>and that made me I've never had that before. I've

453
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<v Speaker 1>never had like openly hostile people before. And nobody was

454
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<v Speaker 1>mean or anything.

455
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<v Speaker 2>But I did anyone leave during the talk.

456
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<v Speaker 1>Or No, They were very polite. And I heard from

457
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<v Speaker 1>other people that there were some people shaking their heads

458
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<v Speaker 1>and saying, no, that's not right, that sort of thing.

459
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<v Speaker 1>But you know, it's hard.

460
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<v Speaker 2>To tilt from people's expressions, and you know our skeptical

461
00:23:00.440 --> 00:23:02.440
<v Speaker 2>opinions of body language. You know, they could have just

462
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<v Speaker 2>been thinking about what you were saying or thinking about themselves.

463
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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, yeah, and I hope they'll give the show

464
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<v Speaker 1>a listen. And you know, the whole thing here is

465
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<v Speaker 1>the way we do our show. There's there's topics that

466
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<v Speaker 1>we cover and you don't have to listen to every

467
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<v Speaker 1>episode and I think they all stand alone very nicely.

468
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<v Speaker 2>So, oh absolutely in our archives.

469
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I also I don't. We've done a few

470
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<v Speaker 1>episodes where we can say definitively this is the answer, right,

471
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<v Speaker 1>where we know it's a hoax for sure, or we

472
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<v Speaker 1>were able to defend it prove this is the case.

473
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<v Speaker 1>But most of the time there's a lot of ambiguity there.

474
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, a lot of question mark still.

475
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<v Speaker 1>And our show has never really been so much about

476
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<v Speaker 1>that's not right and that's not right. It's more about,

477
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<v Speaker 1>you know, how does science deal with this? And what

478
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<v Speaker 1>else can we think about? What if this were real?

479
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<v Speaker 1>What would it be like? So I oh.

480
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and looking at the folklore as well and just

481
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<v Speaker 2>the history and all the aspects.

482
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<v Speaker 1>One peculiar thing that kept coming up was the description

483
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<v Speaker 1>when we're talking about this sort of pseudo skeptical views

484
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<v Speaker 1>like people who they were doing these straw mean version

485
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<v Speaker 1>of skeptics. Well, skeptics say this stuff never happens, and

486
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<v Speaker 1>skeptics never have these weird occurrences, and if the skeptics

487
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<v Speaker 1>would have one strange occurrence, they would totally change their

488
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<v Speaker 1>belief system, right, which I thought was interesting because they

489
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<v Speaker 1>obviously just need to read your book.

490
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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, we're going to move on to talking about

491
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<v Speaker 2>my book, So.

492
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<v Speaker 1>Talk about it.

493
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<v Speaker 2>Would you believe it? Mysterious tales from people you'd least expect.

494
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<v Speaker 2>So I released this going back earlier this year now,

495
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<v Speaker 2>so it's been around for a little while, and I

496
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<v Speaker 2>think we've talked about it on the show previously too,

497
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<v Speaker 2>But I think this is an interesting intersection of for

498
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<v Speaker 2>believers and for skeptics as well. So I've just found

499
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<v Speaker 2>over the years, and I'm sure you've found this as well,

500
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<v Speaker 2>that when you get interviewed on particularly on paranormal shows,

501
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<v Speaker 2>that they'll always ask you have you ever had a

502
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<v Speaker 2>paranormal experience or a strange experience yourself? And historically I'd

503
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<v Speaker 2>just say, you know, no, I haven't and kind of

504
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<v Speaker 2>shake it off. And so anyway, I got talking to

505
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<v Speaker 2>my husband, Matthew about this, and he had a wealth

506
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<v Speaker 2>of stories of bigfoot experiences and UFO sightings and ghost

507
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<v Speaker 2>sightings and all kinds of stories. And I really thought

508
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<v Speaker 2>about things, and I thought, I've been doing this for

509
00:25:17.759 --> 00:25:21.920
<v Speaker 2>about twenty years now. I've been going and investigating all

510
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<v Speaker 2>kinds of claims and phenomena, and yet I've never seen

511
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<v Speaker 2>anything or experienced anything. And so I've got thinking about

512
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<v Speaker 2>it more and I realized, you know, I have actually

513
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<v Speaker 2>had some strange experiences, and I wouldn't personally call them paranormal.

514
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<v Speaker 2>I guess you could call them paranormal like. So some

515
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<v Speaker 2>weird experiences, things that have happened to me, and I've

516
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<v Speaker 2>just sought natural, scientific explanations for them, whereas maybe other

517
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<v Speaker 2>people would seek supernatural or resort to paranormal explanations insteads

518
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<v Speaker 2>So I kind of drew the conclusion that paranormal experiences

519
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<v Speaker 2>are really all in the interpretation. And so I started

520
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<v Speaker 2>speaking with people such as your good self and other skeptics,

521
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<v Speaker 2>and just found that most skeptical friends of mine have

522
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<v Speaker 2>had a paranormal like experience of their own. So I thought,

523
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<v Speaker 2>you know, I should just compile a set of these

524
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<v Speaker 2>stories and take a look at them. And so I

525
00:26:18.920 --> 00:26:21.759
<v Speaker 2>got a bunch of our friends to contribute to this book,

526
00:26:21.799 --> 00:26:24.079
<v Speaker 2>and a lot of the contributors will be well known

527
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<v Speaker 2>to our listeners, people like James Randy and Joe Nichol,

528
00:26:28.000 --> 00:26:31.079
<v Speaker 2>Eugenie Scott, and then people we've had on the show

529
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<v Speaker 2>like Ken Fetter and Brian Regal and Hailey Stevens and

530
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<v Speaker 2>yourself too, So plenty of skeptics you've had these experiences.

531
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<v Speaker 2>I think there is a stigma though among skeptics, and

532
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<v Speaker 2>so a number of people that I approached about it

533
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<v Speaker 2>didn't want to be involved. A few people wanted to

534
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<v Speaker 2>be involved, but they just wanted to go anonymously, to

535
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<v Speaker 2>contribute anonymously. But then I had one famous magician as

536
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<v Speaker 2>well say to me that he's never had a paranormal

537
00:27:01.000 --> 00:27:05.680
<v Speaker 2>luck experience because he's not credulous. But I think it's

538
00:27:05.720 --> 00:27:08.119
<v Speaker 2>not so much a matter of being credulous, it's a

539
00:27:08.160 --> 00:27:12.480
<v Speaker 2>matter of the interpretation of your experiences. And so yeah,

540
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<v Speaker 2>I've got this very interesting collection of stories of UFO

541
00:27:18.359 --> 00:27:23.319
<v Speaker 2>sightings and faith healing and seances and bigfoot encounters, alien

542
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<v Speaker 2>encounters written by skeptics and scientists and magicians.

543
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<v Speaker 1>I think it's fascinating because that whole thing where people

544
00:27:32.039 --> 00:27:34.680
<v Speaker 1>who believe in this stuff and see skeptics in their wall.

545
00:27:34.960 --> 00:27:37.000
<v Speaker 1>If you just saw, you'd believe, or you know, are

546
00:27:37.000 --> 00:27:39.480
<v Speaker 1>you never look You're sitting in your armchair and it's like, well,

547
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<v Speaker 1>they don't know obviously, because I know I've went looking

548
00:27:44.319 --> 00:27:47.200
<v Speaker 1>for ghosts. I've gone looking for ghosts. If mcathany ever

549
00:27:47.200 --> 00:27:50.519
<v Speaker 1>listens to this show, she's gonna kill me. So for

550
00:27:50.559 --> 00:27:53.119
<v Speaker 1>those who don't know, she's an editor, and so I'm

551
00:27:53.160 --> 00:27:56.880
<v Speaker 1>constantly correcting myself. So I can barely leave a grocery

552
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<v Speaker 1>list without the red ink coming out. So but anyway, uh,

553
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<v Speaker 1>we do. There are many skeptics who go looking for Bigfoot,

554
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<v Speaker 1>you know. And now I'm not being sarcastic there. I

555
00:28:08.279 --> 00:28:09.640
<v Speaker 1>don't mean they go for a walk in the woods.

556
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<v Speaker 1>I mean there's people who earnestly would like to see Bigfoot.

557
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<v Speaker 1>They you know, and you don't even if you don't

558
00:28:14.200 --> 00:28:17.640
<v Speaker 1>believe it's real, going out and taking a look is

559
00:28:17.720 --> 00:28:19.559
<v Speaker 1>the right way to go if you're want to be

560
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<v Speaker 1>genuine about it, right.

561
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<v Speaker 2>So it's good fun. It's like legend tripping, you know.

562
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's the same reason that you watch movies

563
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<v Speaker 2>or documentaries about all these uh you know, these phenomena

564
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<v Speaker 2>and you know, but I with the stories, they're not

565
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<v Speaker 2>all explained in the book. Some of the contributors don't

566
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<v Speaker 2>have explanations for what happened to them, and a good

567
00:28:41.000 --> 00:28:43.440
<v Speaker 2>number of them also will come up with explanations, but

568
00:28:43.480 --> 00:28:46.359
<v Speaker 2>they can't know for sure exactly what's going on. But

569
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<v Speaker 2>I think it is a skeptical tenant really to be

570
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<v Speaker 2>able to say I don't know what it doesn't mean

571
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<v Speaker 2>that it's inexplicable means at this point you can't expt.

572
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<v Speaker 1>Fine, and it's it's interesting and it's human. It's very human. Uh.

573
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<v Speaker 1>And for for people to think that all skeptics are

574
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<v Speaker 1>just deep rationalists who deny the weird of the world,

575
00:29:07.119 --> 00:29:09.839
<v Speaker 1>that's that's just such so far from the reality.

576
00:29:10.079 --> 00:29:14.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's more cynicism. And certainly there are a community.

577
00:29:14.759 --> 00:29:17.400
<v Speaker 1>Right, and its just like there are people who believe everything,

578
00:29:17.519 --> 00:29:19.680
<v Speaker 1>so you know, even when they are in conflict with

579
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<v Speaker 1>each other.

580
00:29:20.160 --> 00:29:22.880
<v Speaker 2>So well, yeah, I had an interesting review from one

581
00:29:23.400 --> 00:29:26.319
<v Speaker 2>lady who is a believer and she called people like

582
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<v Speaker 2>that hard boiled.

583
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<v Speaker 1>Detectives. But yeah, that's right.

584
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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, it just does seem like these are human experiences.

585
00:29:39.880 --> 00:29:42.559
<v Speaker 2>These are really common. And I have a nice afterward

586
00:29:42.799 --> 00:29:45.480
<v Speaker 2>which is written by Jim Alkock. I don't think we've

587
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<v Speaker 2>had him on the show before. We we should get

588
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<v Speaker 2>him on. Here is at York University in Canada, And

589
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<v Speaker 2>when I contacted him, I said, do you have a

590
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<v Speaker 2>story that you can contribute to the book, And he said,

591
00:29:55.880 --> 00:29:58.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, I haven't, which is just really strange because

592
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<v Speaker 2>I've been teaching at university for decades and I teach

593
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<v Speaker 2>my students that they will have these experiences that they're commons.

594
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<v Speaker 2>So instead he ended up writing a really good afterward.

595
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<v Speaker 1>Nice that's very nice. It's not a super expensive book,

596
00:30:13.799 --> 00:30:18.200
<v Speaker 1>but it definitely addresses those claims that skeptics never have

597
00:30:18.279 --> 00:30:20.480
<v Speaker 1>anything where it happened to them or the other one,

598
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<v Speaker 1>which I think is funny, is that if they did,

599
00:30:22.319 --> 00:30:23.839
<v Speaker 1>then that would be it for them, They would totally

600
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<v Speaker 1>change their worldview.

601
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<v Speaker 2>And oh, again, I think it's all in the interpretation.

602
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<v Speaker 2>And so with some of the stories that I talk about,

603
00:30:30.839 --> 00:30:34.319
<v Speaker 2>I just not necessarily on the spot, but over time

604
00:30:34.440 --> 00:30:38.279
<v Speaker 2>came up with plausible to me explanations for what happened,

605
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<v Speaker 2>and I just accepted those and forgot about them and

606
00:30:40.880 --> 00:30:43.640
<v Speaker 2>didn't think of them as being paranormal, whereas with other people,

607
00:30:43.960 --> 00:30:46.559
<v Speaker 2>you know, they I guess it can depend on socialization too,

608
00:30:46.559 --> 00:30:50.079
<v Speaker 2>if they're raised to believe in ghosts, if they're spiritual

609
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<v Speaker 2>or religious, and things happened to them and they see

610
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<v Speaker 2>them as being signs or omens of some kind, and

611
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<v Speaker 2>you know, kind of remembering the hits and forgetting the misses,

612
00:30:59.160 --> 00:31:00.319
<v Speaker 2>I guess exactly.

613
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<v Speaker 1>And that's that's been a problem for several hundred years,

614
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<v Speaker 1>so I mean really longer than that. But that whole

615
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<v Speaker 1>criticism that that people you know, remember the hits to

616
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<v Speaker 1>forget the missus has been in the literature for a

617
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<v Speaker 1>long long time.

618
00:31:14.839 --> 00:31:15.960
<v Speaker 2>It has. Yeah, so.

619
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I was speaking of crypto kind I wanted

620
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<v Speaker 1>to mention, so let me stop and say that we

621
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<v Speaker 1>will put another link to would you believe it? I

622
00:31:24.160 --> 00:31:26.000
<v Speaker 1>really I wish there was a way we could just

623
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<v Speaker 1>sort of give that book to people who make that claim,

624
00:31:28.559 --> 00:31:32.200
<v Speaker 1>because it really does address that completely and it's also

625
00:31:32.279 --> 00:31:34.240
<v Speaker 1>interesting stuff. But thank you.

626
00:31:34.440 --> 00:31:36.519
<v Speaker 2>It was really good fun to compile. In fact, I

627
00:31:36.559 --> 00:31:40.720
<v Speaker 2>think it's my favorite book the I think of everything

628
00:31:40.759 --> 00:31:43.519
<v Speaker 2>I've written anyway, I've enjoyed this the most, and there's

629
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<v Speaker 2>some really fun stories in there. You know. Again, I

630
00:31:46.680 --> 00:31:50.799
<v Speaker 2>think that's just another perception of skeptics that we kind

631
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<v Speaker 2>of suck the fun out of everything.

632
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<v Speaker 1>And well, you're putting in a shame and output, by

633
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<v Speaker 1>the way, so you're you're accruing quite the little author's

634
00:31:56.319 --> 00:31:58.759
<v Speaker 1>page on Amazon. So people should check that out. There's

635
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<v Speaker 1>a link to that on your Bible on the monster page.

636
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<v Speaker 2>Yes there is. Yes, So I'm trying the reason I

637
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<v Speaker 2>get to see my family.

638
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, no, no, so I I got to get

639
00:32:10.640 --> 00:32:14.039
<v Speaker 1>more stuff actually executed. But I'm happy with the research

640
00:32:14.079 --> 00:32:16.599
<v Speaker 1>I'm doing. I wish my book was further along, and

641
00:32:16.680 --> 00:32:19.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm having all these real strong urges to work on

642
00:32:19.720 --> 00:32:23.920
<v Speaker 1>some of my fictional ideas as well. But the impulse

643
00:32:23.960 --> 00:32:26.240
<v Speaker 1>is there, the research is done. We just got to

644
00:32:26.240 --> 00:32:29.759
<v Speaker 1>get it time. In the words of mer Laffity, we

645
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<v Speaker 1>should be writing.

646
00:32:30.480 --> 00:32:33.599
<v Speaker 2>So you're gonna have to find some time every day

647
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<v Speaker 2>set aside.

648
00:32:34.359 --> 00:32:37.599
<v Speaker 1>Now that's right. It takes disciplined just like everything else.

649
00:32:37.640 --> 00:32:40.920
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, that's okay. Well, you know what, I'm not

650
00:32:40.960 --> 00:32:43.279
<v Speaker 1>going to get into that because it's a rabbit hole

651
00:32:43.319 --> 00:32:48.359
<v Speaker 1>of self criticism. But I wanted to mention, speaking of

652
00:32:49.519 --> 00:32:53.680
<v Speaker 1>monsters a little bit more. At Cryptoon, one of the

653
00:32:53.720 --> 00:32:56.880
<v Speaker 1>things that really blew me away was how excellent the

654
00:32:56.920 --> 00:33:00.480
<v Speaker 1>dealer's room was. You know, I just come back from

655
00:33:00.519 --> 00:33:03.240
<v Speaker 1>dragon Con, and dragon Con has a vast dealer's room

656
00:33:03.279 --> 00:33:06.160
<v Speaker 1>and it's just full of pretty much anything you can imagine.

657
00:33:06.279 --> 00:33:08.599
<v Speaker 1>But it spread all over the spectrum of what fans

658
00:33:08.599 --> 00:33:12.960
<v Speaker 1>are into, and this cryptoicon really had a strong focus

659
00:33:13.000 --> 00:33:17.839
<v Speaker 1>on gus what cryptids so yeah, and monsters in general. Right,

660
00:33:18.039 --> 00:33:20.960
<v Speaker 1>So lots of cool items there, but some of them

661
00:33:20.960 --> 00:33:23.720
<v Speaker 1>were so cool that I reached out to the vendors

662
00:33:23.759 --> 00:33:25.799
<v Speaker 1>and asked them if maybe we could work on getting

663
00:33:25.799 --> 00:33:29.680
<v Speaker 1>a Monster Talk discount. That would not be to get

664
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<v Speaker 1>a kickback for me or anything like that. It's not.

665
00:33:31.839 --> 00:33:34.279
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I really do want to keep the show

666
00:33:34.400 --> 00:33:37.279
<v Speaker 1>advertising free, but I do think it would be fun

667
00:33:37.400 --> 00:33:39.599
<v Speaker 1>to like, you know, be able to pick up some

668
00:33:39.640 --> 00:33:41.680
<v Speaker 1>of the swag. One of the things that really amazed

669
00:33:41.759 --> 00:33:45.519
<v Speaker 1>me was this guy had put together all these cryptid

670
00:33:45.720 --> 00:33:48.839
<v Speaker 1>patches like you would put onto a jacket, and he

671
00:33:48.920 --> 00:33:52.119
<v Speaker 1>had them for almost all the major cryptids you might

672
00:33:52.160 --> 00:33:55.279
<v Speaker 1>think of, and like some of them were more like

673
00:33:55.319 --> 00:34:00.039
<v Speaker 1>you know, Monstra Hunter patches, and they're just amazing. So

674
00:34:00.559 --> 00:34:03.839
<v Speaker 1>I'm working on getting a discount code for his web

675
00:34:03.880 --> 00:34:05.519
<v Speaker 1>store and he said he'd get back to me on that.

676
00:34:06.119 --> 00:34:08.719
<v Speaker 1>So I'll put a link to that in on maybe

677
00:34:08.760 --> 00:34:10.119
<v Speaker 1>I need to pick up maybe we should have a

678
00:34:10.199 --> 00:34:12.400
<v Speaker 1>swag page or something like that. I'm not really quite sure,

679
00:34:12.480 --> 00:34:13.840
<v Speaker 1>but it was really really cool.

680
00:34:14.320 --> 00:34:16.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think that'd be good. What kinds of things

681
00:34:16.840 --> 00:34:17.519
<v Speaker 2>did they happen?

682
00:34:18.159 --> 00:34:24.239
<v Speaker 1>His website is called monster Ologist dot com Monsters. Yeah,

683
00:34:24.280 --> 00:34:26.679
<v Speaker 1>and it's such a he's a really good graphic designers,

684
00:34:26.880 --> 00:34:32.559
<v Speaker 1>very very nice. But they had the Kraken, the Mothman,

685
00:34:33.480 --> 00:34:40.199
<v Speaker 1>a Roswell patch, Bigfoot, lots of Bigfoot options there, and uh, cheapocabra.

686
00:34:41.400 --> 00:34:42.760
<v Speaker 1>One of the ones I think is really cool is

687
00:34:42.960 --> 00:34:44.840
<v Speaker 1>the Cryptic Command patch. It looks like I should go

688
00:34:44.920 --> 00:34:46.559
<v Speaker 1>on like an army jacket.

689
00:34:47.800 --> 00:34:49.400
<v Speaker 2>I was thinking they like boy Scout.

690
00:34:49.800 --> 00:34:52.079
<v Speaker 1>Really yeah, they are a little bit like that. They

691
00:34:52.119 --> 00:34:53.880
<v Speaker 1>seem more a little bit more military. But he's got

692
00:34:53.920 --> 00:34:58.360
<v Speaker 1>dog Man, the flat Woods Monster. Uh, just a lot

693
00:34:58.400 --> 00:35:01.280
<v Speaker 1>of very cool patches. He's got some special three packs

694
00:35:01.280 --> 00:35:04.000
<v Speaker 1>and this sort of thing. I've posted a picture of

695
00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:07.639
<v Speaker 1>them on our on our Facebook group. But also again,

696
00:35:07.639 --> 00:35:09.039
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna put some kind of we need to have

697
00:35:09.039 --> 00:35:10.840
<v Speaker 1>a little link for this in this in the show notes,

698
00:35:10.920 --> 00:35:13.639
<v Speaker 1>not not today. Maybe I'm probably gonna put some sort

699
00:35:13.639 --> 00:35:17.239
<v Speaker 1>of like a link for for swag or something.

700
00:35:17.280 --> 00:35:19.679
<v Speaker 2>But I think a lot of listeners will be interested.

701
00:35:19.800 --> 00:35:22.320
<v Speaker 1>I didn't realize I had such a bag fetish until

702
00:35:22.360 --> 00:35:25.159
<v Speaker 1>I saw these things, and then oh sorry, to be

703
00:35:25.199 --> 00:35:27.920
<v Speaker 1>bad fetish, and I definitely have a bag fetish that's different.

704
00:35:28.280 --> 00:35:31.039
<v Speaker 1>But but this was it really blew me away. Let

705
00:35:31.079 --> 00:35:32.960
<v Speaker 1>me actually almost send you the link. Well I won't

706
00:35:33.119 --> 00:35:34.119
<v Speaker 1>put this part in there.

707
00:35:33.920 --> 00:35:36.239
<v Speaker 2>But sure, maybe you can have something in the as

708
00:35:36.239 --> 00:35:37.400
<v Speaker 2>you said in the show notes, and.

709
00:35:37.360 --> 00:35:40.039
<v Speaker 1>Maybe, yeah, I'll go and put but if you if you,

710
00:35:40.199 --> 00:35:42.320
<v Speaker 1>if you're you're patient, we should get some kind of

711
00:35:42.360 --> 00:35:44.840
<v Speaker 1>a discount code and maybe we could do something with that.

712
00:35:44.920 --> 00:35:48.360
<v Speaker 1>But it Yeah, these are really really nice. The guy

713
00:35:48.440 --> 00:35:51.480
<v Speaker 1>obviously really loves monsters and and is a nice artist.

714
00:35:51.679 --> 00:35:53.159
<v Speaker 1>And we've got a lot of great artists in our

715
00:35:53.159 --> 00:35:55.599
<v Speaker 1>in our listeners as well.

716
00:35:54.960 --> 00:35:57.800
<v Speaker 2>I mean, oh we really do. Yeah, and it's such

717
00:35:57.800 --> 00:35:59.079
<v Speaker 2>a great theme though for aunt.

718
00:35:59.360 --> 00:36:02.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but I just really like these. There's a simplicity

719
00:36:02.440 --> 00:36:04.920
<v Speaker 1>of design. He really he's just really done good work.

720
00:36:05.000 --> 00:36:07.679
<v Speaker 1>So the quality is nice. I'm actually going to have

721
00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:10.159
<v Speaker 1>about three of them just to start out, and I'm

722
00:36:10.159 --> 00:36:12.960
<v Speaker 1>going to have them embroidered on my man purse.

723
00:36:15.360 --> 00:36:17.840
<v Speaker 2>So nice.

724
00:36:18.000 --> 00:36:20.519
<v Speaker 1>Oh they are, They're great. So I sent you a

725
00:36:20.559 --> 00:36:23.559
<v Speaker 1>link for that, but thank you. You're welcome. So I'll

726
00:36:23.559 --> 00:36:24.880
<v Speaker 1>put that the show notes. I'll have to figure out

727
00:36:24.880 --> 00:36:27.000
<v Speaker 1>to add that sort does it sound foolish?

728
00:36:27.159 --> 00:36:31.000
<v Speaker 2>No, I know, I'm sure you can keep some of it.

729
00:36:31.679 --> 00:36:33.159
<v Speaker 1>And then I thought I would go ahead and mention

730
00:36:34.039 --> 00:36:38.559
<v Speaker 1>we are working on injecting some a new new sort

731
00:36:38.559 --> 00:36:41.840
<v Speaker 1>of type of episode we're gonna call Monster Science Cinema,

732
00:36:42.119 --> 00:36:44.760
<v Speaker 1>which I was inspired by Nil de grass Tyson, who

733
00:36:44.960 --> 00:36:47.239
<v Speaker 1>is kind of famous. He's famous for a lot of things,

734
00:36:47.239 --> 00:36:48.559
<v Speaker 1>but one of the things he likes to do is

735
00:36:48.920 --> 00:36:51.280
<v Speaker 1>go watch a perfectly good movie and then complain about

736
00:36:51.320 --> 00:36:55.079
<v Speaker 1>the science in it. And I don't want to be

737
00:36:55.440 --> 00:36:59.119
<v Speaker 1>like that, but I do like the idea. Yeah, yeah,

738
00:37:00.159 --> 00:37:02.159
<v Speaker 1>me fine to tear a part of movie, but I

739
00:37:02.159 --> 00:37:04.920
<v Speaker 1>think it's even more fun to say, well, this is

740
00:37:04.960 --> 00:37:08.000
<v Speaker 1>what they were talking about, and that's fun, but here's

741
00:37:08.000 --> 00:37:10.760
<v Speaker 1>what the real science would look like. And so I'm

742
00:37:10.760 --> 00:37:11.119
<v Speaker 1>trying to.

743
00:37:11.119 --> 00:37:12.199
<v Speaker 2>Get in belief.

744
00:37:12.679 --> 00:37:16.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly, exactly. So that's about all I want to

745
00:37:16.519 --> 00:37:19.000
<v Speaker 1>say about that right now. But I am very excited

746
00:37:19.000 --> 00:37:22.079
<v Speaker 1>about some of those episode ideas, and we're working on

747
00:37:22.159 --> 00:37:24.880
<v Speaker 1>rounding up some of the experts to come and speak

748
00:37:24.920 --> 00:37:26.960
<v Speaker 1>knowledgeable about Now.

749
00:37:26.960 --> 00:37:29.519
<v Speaker 2>That's been a real flutter of correspondence over the past

750
00:37:29.559 --> 00:37:30.039
<v Speaker 2>month or.

751
00:37:29.960 --> 00:37:34.079
<v Speaker 1>So there has, so we may not get episodes out

752
00:37:34.119 --> 00:37:36.559
<v Speaker 1>as quickly as we'd like, but we certainly are working

753
00:37:36.599 --> 00:37:38.719
<v Speaker 1>strongly behind the scenes to try to make whatever we

754
00:37:38.760 --> 00:37:43.199
<v Speaker 1>do get out of good quality. So yeah, I think

755
00:37:43.239 --> 00:37:45.039
<v Speaker 1>that's about all I really wanted to cover today.

756
00:37:45.320 --> 00:37:47.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, I don't know how long we'd want

757
00:37:47.800 --> 00:37:51.519
<v Speaker 2>a chatty episode like this to be. I mean usually

758
00:37:51.519 --> 00:37:54.480
<v Speaker 2>an hour for regular episode. I think that just for

759
00:37:54.599 --> 00:37:56.639
<v Speaker 2>chatting this is probably long enough. Yeah.

760
00:37:56.800 --> 00:37:59.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, is there anything else you want to talk about

761
00:37:59.320 --> 00:37:59.760
<v Speaker 1>or promote?

762
00:38:01.079 --> 00:38:03.440
<v Speaker 2>Well, I've written a couple of short stories too. I

763
00:38:03.480 --> 00:38:05.320
<v Speaker 2>don't know if you've been able to see them yet.

764
00:38:06.239 --> 00:38:08.159
<v Speaker 1>I share the links, but I haven't been able to

765
00:38:08.199 --> 00:38:08.840
<v Speaker 1>read them yet.

766
00:38:10.039 --> 00:38:11.880
<v Speaker 2>No, I don't know if we can really insert this

767
00:38:11.960 --> 00:38:17.280
<v Speaker 2>in anyway, because we're kind of already over that to.

768
00:38:17.400 --> 00:38:20.320
<v Speaker 1>All of your writing in both the show notes and

769
00:38:20.800 --> 00:38:23.519
<v Speaker 1>in the Obviously you've already got it on your bio

770
00:38:23.559 --> 00:38:25.360
<v Speaker 1>page by linking to your author page on Amazon.

771
00:38:26.079 --> 00:38:26.280
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

772
00:38:26.320 --> 00:38:30.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think I've just in many ways, I'm kind

773
00:38:30.079 --> 00:38:32.840
<v Speaker 2>of surprised that I am a skeptic. I think originally

774
00:38:32.840 --> 00:38:34.880
<v Speaker 2>when I started out, I just was interested in the

775
00:38:34.920 --> 00:38:38.039
<v Speaker 2>paranormal and always wanted to write horror, and so I

776
00:38:38.039 --> 00:38:40.519
<v Speaker 2>thought there's no time like the present, and you know,

777
00:38:40.639 --> 00:38:42.840
<v Speaker 2>I never have time anyway, so I'm just trying to

778
00:38:42.880 --> 00:38:44.760
<v Speaker 2>cram this in. But I've just written a number of

779
00:38:44.760 --> 00:38:47.119
<v Speaker 2>short stories and eventually I thought it'd be nice to

780
00:38:47.119 --> 00:38:49.599
<v Speaker 2>be able to compile them into a book of short stories.

781
00:38:49.760 --> 00:38:54.360
<v Speaker 2>And I grew up on Somerset Morn and Roll Dahl's

782
00:38:54.360 --> 00:38:57.960
<v Speaker 2>short stories The Tales of the Unexpected and gid him

783
00:38:57.960 --> 00:39:01.079
<v Speaker 2>O Poissance stories. I mean, some of those just have

784
00:39:01.159 --> 00:39:03.920
<v Speaker 2>incredible twists. I love stories with a good twist at

785
00:39:03.920 --> 00:39:07.480
<v Speaker 2>the end. And so yeah, I've written two stories, ones

786
00:39:07.559 --> 00:39:12.360
<v Speaker 2>called Don't Leave Me and another is Unforeseen Circumstances, and

787
00:39:12.440 --> 00:39:14.840
<v Speaker 2>so I've released those over the past couple of months.

788
00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:17.039
<v Speaker 2>So that really the kind of stories that you can

789
00:39:17.119 --> 00:39:20.000
<v Speaker 2>just read over a coffee so maybe take you about

790
00:39:20.000 --> 00:39:25.119
<v Speaker 2>twenty minutes, no more. And yeah, they've both got unexpected

791
00:39:25.159 --> 00:39:27.440
<v Speaker 2>twists at the end, and just having a lot of

792
00:39:27.440 --> 00:39:32.079
<v Speaker 2>fun doing that. It's really just some brain candy. I guess.

793
00:39:32.440 --> 00:39:34.920
<v Speaker 1>Hey, there's nothing wrong with horror, you as you know.

794
00:39:35.119 --> 00:39:37.639
<v Speaker 1>Behind the scenes, I'm working on something related to horror

795
00:39:37.639 --> 00:39:38.000
<v Speaker 1>as well.

796
00:39:38.079 --> 00:39:41.239
<v Speaker 2>So well, speaking of which, yeah, yeah, that'll be fines

797
00:39:41.239 --> 00:39:41.679
<v Speaker 2>in the fire.

798
00:39:41.880 --> 00:39:45.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, because I just don't have enough free time

799
00:39:45.719 --> 00:39:47.199
<v Speaker 1>wasted on this sort of thing.

800
00:39:50.079 --> 00:39:52.039
<v Speaker 2>Life's just too short. So much we want to do.

801
00:39:52.679 --> 00:39:54.800
<v Speaker 1>I wish I was immortal or didn't have to sleep

802
00:39:54.840 --> 00:39:55.199
<v Speaker 1>or both.

803
00:39:55.320 --> 00:39:56.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we might be.

804
00:39:56.920 --> 00:40:01.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well there's that. So I always think about sleeping.

805
00:40:01.239 --> 00:40:03.239
<v Speaker 1>I like sleeping, but I feel like it's such a

806
00:40:03.280 --> 00:40:03.960
<v Speaker 1>waste of time.

807
00:40:04.199 --> 00:40:08.159
<v Speaker 2>And it's like, oh, just since the baby, I'm always

808
00:40:08.199 --> 00:40:10.639
<v Speaker 2>tired nowadays. So I just kind of put up with

809
00:40:10.719 --> 00:40:12.159
<v Speaker 2>it and sold her on.

810
00:40:13.559 --> 00:40:16.239
<v Speaker 1>It's that's that's rough, but we're gonna let it. We'll

811
00:40:16.320 --> 00:40:18.320
<v Speaker 1>end on the high note. Say so, we're gonna recommend

812
00:40:18.559 --> 00:40:23.039
<v Speaker 1>everybody check out your fiction and your would you Believe

813
00:40:23.079 --> 00:40:26.239
<v Speaker 1>It book, which is great. And uh, again, I thank

814
00:40:26.280 --> 00:40:28.320
<v Speaker 1>you for everybody who came out to see me at

815
00:40:28.679 --> 00:40:32.559
<v Speaker 1>dragon Con and at Cryptocon, and it was so great

816
00:40:32.559 --> 00:40:34.000
<v Speaker 1>to meet listeners in real life.

817
00:40:34.679 --> 00:40:36.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and just thank you to everyone for the emails

818
00:40:37.000 --> 00:40:39.079
<v Speaker 2>that we get. I mean, we get emails pretty much

819
00:40:39.079 --> 00:40:42.480
<v Speaker 2>every day. It's from people just making suggestions and giving

820
00:40:42.559 --> 00:40:45.199
<v Speaker 2>us feedback on the show, and it's just fantastic to

821
00:40:45.239 --> 00:40:46.239
<v Speaker 2>hear from people.

822
00:40:46.239 --> 00:40:50.280
<v Speaker 1>It really is. So again, we wouldn't do this show

823
00:40:50.320 --> 00:40:52.400
<v Speaker 1>if we didn't have such wonderful listeners. I mean, we'd

824
00:40:52.400 --> 00:40:53.880
<v Speaker 1>have done a few, but we would have given it

825
00:40:53.960 --> 00:40:59.440
<v Speaker 1>up by even now. So it really is wonderful to

826
00:40:59.480 --> 00:41:02.159
<v Speaker 1>meet you people in real life. And hopefully we're setting

827
00:41:02.199 --> 00:41:04.800
<v Speaker 1>a good example for what skeptics can be, people who

828
00:41:05.159 --> 00:41:08.800
<v Speaker 1>use critical thinking in science to evaluate the evidence but

829
00:41:08.960 --> 00:41:11.400
<v Speaker 1>still love a good story and love being human and

830
00:41:11.440 --> 00:41:12.639
<v Speaker 1>all the things that that implies.

831
00:41:12.760 --> 00:41:16.039
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, again and hopefully inspiring people to do their

832
00:41:16.079 --> 00:41:20.360
<v Speaker 2>own shows and write their own blogs and make their

833
00:41:20.360 --> 00:41:24.480
<v Speaker 2>own monster patches and yeah, absolutely whatever whatever you want

834
00:41:24.480 --> 00:41:26.880
<v Speaker 2>to do that's monster related, to just get out there

835
00:41:26.880 --> 00:41:27.320
<v Speaker 2>and do it.

836
00:41:27.679 --> 00:41:33.239
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely absolutely. So oh, you know, I should say that

837
00:41:33.760 --> 00:41:38.519
<v Speaker 1>there's a kid called the Crypti Kid.

838
00:41:38.960 --> 00:41:39.440
<v Speaker 2>His name is.

839
00:41:40.079 --> 00:41:43.480
<v Speaker 1>Crypto Kids Colin Schneider, and he gave a talk right

840
00:41:43.480 --> 00:41:47.280
<v Speaker 1>before I did it a cryptocond and I don't know how.

841
00:41:47.440 --> 00:41:53.599
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I'm guessing he's like late and late teens,

842
00:41:54.119 --> 00:41:57.039
<v Speaker 1>but he did really good research. I was really impressed.

843
00:41:58.239 --> 00:42:01.519
<v Speaker 1>He was actually he's already doing like a race show

844
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<v Speaker 1>and doing a lot of this research and he was

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<v Speaker 1>going back to primary sources, and I mean, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm not I can't really speak to all

847
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<v Speaker 1>of his research because I've only heard this one talk,

848
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<v Speaker 1>but I was really impressed at the amount of work

849
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<v Speaker 1>he was putting into this stuff. He was really doing

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<v Speaker 1>rock solid research from everything I could see, so I

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<v Speaker 1>told him, I said, that was very inspiring because while

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<v Speaker 1>I was reading a lot at his age, I wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>actually doing this kind of research until I was well

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<v Speaker 1>into my thirties. And it's nice to get ahead of

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<v Speaker 1>the curve there. So I hope he sticks with it.

856
00:42:31.800 --> 00:42:33.599
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, we should have him on the show sometime.

857
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<v Speaker 1>I agree, you know, I'd like to learn a little

858
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<v Speaker 1>bit more about what he's into. But I really did

859
00:42:37.760 --> 00:42:41.639
<v Speaker 1>enjoy talking with him. So young blood, So yeah, very cool.

860
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<v Speaker 2>It was always great to make the next generation, It

861
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<v Speaker 2>really was.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to make sure I mentioned that. So he

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<v Speaker 1>was a real joy to talk to. So cool anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>So thanks to everybody who came out, and thanks for

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<v Speaker 1>the people who put on Cryptocon, and thanks to Derek

866
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<v Speaker 1>over at Dragon Con for having me on those panels.

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<v Speaker 1>That was a lot of fun.

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<v Speaker 2>And they're going to do Cryptocon annual.

869
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<v Speaker 1>It sure looks like it. That's what they're leaning towards.

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<v Speaker 1>So right, yeah, I'm really hoping that next year I'll

871
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<v Speaker 1>be able to attend again, it was just the same place,

872
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<v Speaker 1>so you don't know, they're still looking at the venue

873
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<v Speaker 1>and trying to figure that out.

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<v Speaker 2>So Denver is a good place.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, oh yeah, yeah, I don't know where they're based

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<v Speaker 1>out of. I'm guessing it somewhere in Kentucky. But but

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<v Speaker 1>you're right. I mean it's oh, you know, I should

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<v Speaker 1>mention this as well. You know, I've go to a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of conventions and this this convenient had two different

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<v Speaker 1>T shirts and one of them was nice. It was

881
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<v Speaker 1>the regular I guess, the default cryptic cun shirt that

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<v Speaker 1>most of the people wearing. But their alternate shirt was astonishing.

883
00:43:34.280 --> 00:43:38.199
<v Speaker 1>It was such a great cryptid shirt. It had let's see,

884
00:43:38.239 --> 00:43:43.519
<v Speaker 1>had Mothman, had the Kelly Hopkinsville Goblin. I'm gonna forget something.

885
00:43:44.079 --> 00:43:45.920
<v Speaker 1>It had Bigfoot.

886
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<v Speaker 2>Did you get one of them?

887
00:43:47.440 --> 00:43:49.280
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, it's upstairs. I didn't bring it down here

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<v Speaker 1>for the records.

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<v Speaker 2>Were they just hand it out two guests or yes.

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<v Speaker 1>In exchange for a twenty dollars donation?

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<v Speaker 2>Fair enough?

892
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<v Speaker 1>But they were really nice shirts. I'm really blown away.

893
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<v Speaker 1>I think I should probably put that in the show notes.

894
00:44:03.079 --> 00:44:04.039
<v Speaker 1>How cool these shirts were.

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<v Speaker 2>You need to wear it and have a picture taken

896
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<v Speaker 2>and to post it on the Monster Talk.

897
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<v Speaker 1>Facebook exactly exactly. I like it. That's a really good point.

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<v Speaker 1>I bought a stack of shirts, Karen. They were a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of the monster shirts were only ten bucks apiece.

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<v Speaker 1>That's half the price they were.

901
00:44:19.360 --> 00:44:20.519
<v Speaker 2>Oh that's that's cheap.

902
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<v Speaker 1>And they were, I mean, and they were. One of

903
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<v Speaker 1>the vendors had horror shirts for some just absolutely fantastic

904
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<v Speaker 1>monster movies. I got a new one for the thing.

905
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<v Speaker 1>I got one. I'm actually wearing one right now for

906
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<v Speaker 1>the luckness Horror, which I think was a hammer production,

907
00:44:35.639 --> 00:44:38.880
<v Speaker 1>but it was one of the few Nessy movies that

908
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<v Speaker 1>were ever made. And they had Dawn and the Dad

909
00:44:43.239 --> 00:44:46.840
<v Speaker 1>and then all kinds of Sasquatch movies from the seventies. Now,

910
00:44:46.960 --> 00:44:50.280
<v Speaker 1>it was great. I was in Monster Heaven, I'll be honest.

911
00:44:50.320 --> 00:44:53.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean, yeah, it sounds so yeah. I was just

912
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<v Speaker 1>delighted to be able to represent science and skepticism and

913
00:44:56.760 --> 00:45:00.679
<v Speaker 1>also enjoy the glory that is Monster World. So good stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I really hope to get to one of them

915
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<v Speaker 2>in the future. It's like a lot of fun.

916
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<v Speaker 1>It really was, so yeah. I really appreciate it, and

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<v Speaker 1>I was glad to be a part of it, so

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<v Speaker 1>all right, let's call it a night monster. You've been

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<v Speaker 1>listening to Monster Talk, the science show about monsters. I'm

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00:45:17.639 --> 00:45:21.119
<v Speaker 1>Blake Smith and I'm Karen Stolesner. In this episode, you

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<v Speaker 1>heard a chat with Blake Smith and Karen Stolesno about

922
00:45:23.719 --> 00:45:27.039
<v Speaker 1>my recent visit to Cryptidcon twenty seventeen and to Dragon

923
00:45:27.039 --> 00:45:30.119
<v Speaker 1>Con twenty seventeen. I hope you enjoyed it, and the

924
00:45:30.239 --> 00:45:33.360
<v Speaker 1>circumstances allow we can meet you at some future event

925
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<v Speaker 1>as well. Monster Talks an official podcast of Skeptic Magazine.

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<v Speaker 1>The views expressed in this episode or mining Karen's that

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<v Speaker 1>do not necessarily reflect the opinions of Skeptic Magazine or

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<v Speaker 1>the Skeptic society. We're all different in how we approach

929
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<v Speaker 1>the task of promoting skepticism and critical thinking, and we

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<v Speaker 1>welcome well intentioned, constructive criticism and hope our colleagues do

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<v Speaker 1>as well. Remember you can always reach us by email

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<v Speaker 1>by contacting Blake at monster talk dot org or Karen

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<v Speaker 1>at munster talk dot org. You can also check out

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<v Speaker 1>our Facebook page by searching monster Talk in the Facebook

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<v Speaker 1>of Monster Talk. Each episode, we strive to bring you

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<v Speaker 1>the best in Monster related content, with a focus on

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<v Speaker 4>Hi, my name is Barry Carr, and I'm here with

955
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<v Speaker 4>Tom Flinn and Jim Underdown talking about the upcoming Siicon

956
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<v Speaker 4>conference this October in Las Vegas. So, Tom, Jim, what

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<v Speaker 4>are you looking forward to coming out to Sikon.

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<v Speaker 6>I cannot wait. I will be hosting the disco party

959
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<v Speaker 6>on Saturday night, and it's is it a zombie disco party?

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00:47:24.159 --> 00:47:26.159
<v Speaker 4>If you want to addressed as a zombie, that's fine. That's

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00:47:26.159 --> 00:47:28.159
<v Speaker 4>what we're building it as a costume party, So come

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<v Speaker 4>as you like.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, and we're actually gonna have cash prizes and dancing

964
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<v Speaker 6>and drinks.

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<v Speaker 5>Is it true that the grand prize will be a

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<v Speaker 5>big bowl of brains?

967
00:47:37.159 --> 00:47:39.559
<v Speaker 4>Well, leaving the brains and the zombies aside. This is

968
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<v Speaker 4>a conference with some heavyweights in the skeptical community. For instance,

969
00:47:43.920 --> 00:47:48.400
<v Speaker 4>we have Richard Dawkins, Lawrence Kraus, James Randy, Eugenie Scott.

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00:47:48.480 --> 00:47:50.159
<v Speaker 4>The list that actually goes on and on. We have

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<v Speaker 4>almost forty speakers coming or more. We have workshops, of course,

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<v Speaker 4>entertainment as we mentioned anything you particularly want to see.

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<v Speaker 6>My dear friend Richard why Men will be here also

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<v Speaker 6>from the UK, author of Corcology. I can't wait to

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00:48:04.159 --> 00:48:04.599
<v Speaker 6>see him.

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<v Speaker 5>And don't forget Richard Saunders from Australia. It's going to

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<v Speaker 5>be Richard's busting.

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<v Speaker 1>Out all over. It's the richness of Richards, it absolutely is.

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<v Speaker 6>I'll be gambling too at some point.

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00:48:13.360 --> 00:48:16.880
<v Speaker 4>No, No, skeptics do not gamble. Skeptics don't gamble. We know

981
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<v Speaker 4>the odds, we.

982
00:48:17.639 --> 00:48:20.719
<v Speaker 5>Don't do if my experience last year is any indications

983
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<v Speaker 5>skeptics do not gamble, Skeptics win.

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<v Speaker 6>I have a skeptics, Harry, I have a system that

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<v Speaker 6>is guaranteed to win. I'm going to grab a stack

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<v Speaker 6>of chips and run.

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<v Speaker 1>There you go.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay. The New Yorker writer Maria Kannakova is going to

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<v Speaker 5>be receiving the Ballast Award for Critical Thinking for her

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<v Speaker 5>most recent book.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, The Confidence Game. Yeah, Maria, it was a speaker

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00:48:43.000 --> 00:48:45.239
<v Speaker 4>last year. She spoke about The Confidence Game last year.

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<v Speaker 4>This year she's talking about her new book, which is

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<v Speaker 4>about luck. So what better talking about luck?

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<v Speaker 6>Shel vindicate me. The Skeptical Toolbox people will be there,

996
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<v Speaker 6>Ray Hyman, Jim Elcock, Harriet Hall.

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<v Speaker 4>And speaking of skeptics, groups that are come only had

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<v Speaker 4>this Skeptics Guide to the Universe, the whole, the whole show,

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<v Speaker 4>with the whole cruise coming this year, it seems a.

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<v Speaker 6>Little skeptic heavy, don't you think that's?

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<v Speaker 4>This is the skeptics heavyweight event of the year.

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<v Speaker 1>It does not get better it doesn't make you.

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<v Speaker 4>Better than so we hope to see you there. It's

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<v Speaker 4>October twenty sixth to the twenty ninth at the ex

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<v Speaker 4>Caliber Hotel. It's the one that looks like the Big Castle.

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<v Speaker 4>You know you'll see it when you fly into the airport.

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<v Speaker 4>You see the towers or punzels there.

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<v Speaker 5>It's the one that looks like the Walt Disney Opium Dream.

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<v Speaker 4>So come check us out in Las Vegas.

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<v Speaker 1>Monster Talk theme music is by Peach Stealing Monkeys. As always,

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<v Speaker 1>Jeb Krt, who we've heard from on the Archaeology The

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<v Speaker 1>Archie Fantasy, I'm telling you messing this up. The Archaeological

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<v Speaker 1>Fantasies podcast was on our show before