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<v Speaker 1>It's me, dire Way. Who is this, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't know, it's me.

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<v Speaker 3>It's Amid the Ruins, a guy who makes a dire

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<v Speaker 3>Way of music. It's Amid the Ruins, dire Way community.

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<v Speaker 2>What I've talked about in you know, probably one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>articles of Jays analysis is the implementation of the AI

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<v Speaker 2>smart grid in the giant smart cities, which is what

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<v Speaker 2>IBM talks about publicly building. And that's where we're going,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's what I think we have to be really

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<v Speaker 2>concerned about. So all of these tensions. They are putting

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<v Speaker 2>a long term strategy to basically get everybody moved into megacities.

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<v Speaker 2>They'll be forced to they'll be forced off the wind

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<v Speaker 2>and so forth for an environmental reasons and basically concocted

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<v Speaker 2>and invented environmental nonsense, and then you'll be stuck in

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<v Speaker 2>some hell a whole mega city in a basically a

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<v Speaker 2>cart in size apartment, living over a target or something,

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<v Speaker 2>or inside of a target or a Walmart. As I

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<v Speaker 2>said several years ago, it's actually coming true now there's

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<v Speaker 2>actually target cities m M. This is all part of

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<v Speaker 2>the long term globalist strategy. But to get there, you've

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<v Speaker 2>got to have the constant clash, the constant alchemical blending

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<v Speaker 2>and mixing and smashing together right out of Manicheanism to

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<v Speaker 2>produce the convergence, to produce the synthesis. And that's what's

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<v Speaker 2>crucial in all this, and what is absolutely true from

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<v Speaker 2>an alchemical, esoteric, philosophical, angieobolotical perstrictive the fact that the

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<v Speaker 2>rule elite seek to be host Jason alsos dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't try to fix today's problems politically. This is

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<v Speaker 2>what so many people have. Old circles, not ride and

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<v Speaker 2>whatever I need it. They all seem all right, welcome here,

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<v Speaker 2>we are, We're back. And I like it when people.

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<v Speaker 2>If you keep coming and keep coming at me, keep

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<v Speaker 2>coming at me, I just double down and I do

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<v Speaker 2>more streams, and I do more responses, and it has

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<v Speaker 2>more effect. Lord willing God, God's grace. So I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>deterred by all of this constant drama and nonsense. And

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<v Speaker 2>if we want to go into that kind of stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>we can. I'm happy to do that. Let's talk about

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<v Speaker 2>who some of these people are, what they're into, what

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<v Speaker 2>they're doing, the geopolitical forces behind what all's going on.

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<v Speaker 2>We can go into Denzinger got Denzinger pulled up for

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<v Speaker 2>you here right now, and we can get into the

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<v Speaker 2>present implosion that's going on on. Apparently within the world

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<v Speaker 2>of trad Catholicism. Things are heating up, not just Tracktholicism,

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<v Speaker 2>but even the world of normies in the Catholic realm

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<v Speaker 2>as well. Now, as you know, we've had a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of I've had a lot of interactions over the years

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<v Speaker 2>here and there, mainly blogging ten years ago with Taylor

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<v Speaker 2>Marshall when I was new to the issues of divine

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<v Speaker 2>simplicity and the energies and all that. And actually initially

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of liked Taylor back in the day. He

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<v Speaker 2>used to comment on different blogs that I would go on,

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<v Speaker 2>and he used to comment on mine at times. And

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<v Speaker 2>then things obviously went in a different direction. So once

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<v Speaker 2>I left the world of Rome, I didn't, as you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't immediately go into orthodoxy, but just found it

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<v Speaker 2>less and less convincing. But the irony is that where

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<v Speaker 2>I was at ten years ago is the position that

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<v Speaker 2>Taylor has presently adopted. That's the big irony here is

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<v Speaker 2>that he would have called me a loon, a trad

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<v Speaker 2>maniac at the time and then here we are ten

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<v Speaker 2>years later and he's adopted this SSPX type of position.

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<v Speaker 2>Now we're not going to focus on Taylor Marshall on

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<v Speaker 2>all these antics of the Roman Catholic apologists, but I

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<v Speaker 2>do want to hit on some of this just because

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<v Speaker 2>the world of Roman Catholicism from the inside is different

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<v Speaker 2>than the world of Roman Catholicism from the outside. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>that could be said for any position or organization or

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<v Speaker 2>church or entity. Sure, I'm not saying that that in

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<v Speaker 2>itself is what proves or disproves any given position. So

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying that because I can find a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of problems in these different position in these so called theologians,

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<v Speaker 2>that that just proves the whole thing, or in their

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<v Speaker 2>lives or whatever. I don't do the drama with people's lives.

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<v Speaker 2>That's typically what other people do. The only reason I'm

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<v Speaker 2>pointing this one out is because it's illustrative. It's illustrative

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<v Speaker 2>of what happens when you don't have the normative experience

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<v Speaker 2>that we would say it's consistent with the Batristic experience

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of how we come to know God and

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<v Speaker 2>what the experience of the Church and the Saints are

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to be. So. For example, if you listen to

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<v Speaker 2>the stream that I did with Snack yesterday or the

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<v Speaker 2>day before, whenever it was, we talked about the admission

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<v Speaker 2>on the part of Bishop barn that there was this loss,

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<v Speaker 2>something was now missing. And yet at the same time,

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<v Speaker 2>the Romancolic Church is supposed to possess the fullness right,

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<v Speaker 2>and the Orthodox Church is lacking. But yet we're told

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<v Speaker 2>that Vatican Two was partly an attempt to try to

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<v Speaker 2>find the missing links to the Church Fathers, the missing

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<v Speaker 2>links to the Eastern Liturgy, all of these different things. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>So we're gonna go into a lot of that today.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to go into this and another thing I

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<v Speaker 2>want to do too. I may set it up as

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<v Speaker 2>a SEP stream. I may just do the kind of

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<v Speaker 2>critique of Vatican two and wasn't infallible and all that

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<v Speaker 2>in this stream, and then right after this, I might

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<v Speaker 2>do a second stream, or I might do it all

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<v Speaker 2>in one. I'm not sure what the best way to

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<v Speaker 2>approach it is. I'll just have to see how it goes.

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<v Speaker 2>But we're also going to cover some of Pelicon, because

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<v Speaker 2>there's a separate book. I know that we haven't worked

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<v Speaker 2>our way through the totality of the Pelicon series, but

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<v Speaker 2>I might skip over to this one instead because this

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<v Speaker 2>one is a really good introduction to the philosophy of

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<v Speaker 2>the Cappadocians, probably the best that I could think of

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<v Speaker 2>if you're new to the topic. And I mean, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>trying to work through a book right now, writing a book,

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<v Speaker 2>so I'm utilizing some of these kind of really good

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<v Speaker 2>key sources. Obviously the Bradshaw book that I'm reading this

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<v Speaker 2>through for the second time, really really good stuff. But

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<v Speaker 2>we don't want to just critique the just quote contradictions

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<v Speaker 2>between Vatican two and previous dogma. We also want to

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<v Speaker 2>understand the different paradigm. And this is something if you

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<v Speaker 2>go and listen to the many talks that I've done

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<v Speaker 2>with Father Deacon and Iyas, then you know that we've

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<v Speaker 2>covered this right. We've covered it many many times. He

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<v Speaker 2>and I have done multiple, multiple streams going through Riscyte

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<v Speaker 2>philosophy categories how that is transformed in the Orthodox understanding.

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<v Speaker 2>There's not a one to one necessarily correspondence between the

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<v Speaker 2>meaning that those words had in Pagan philosophy and the

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<v Speaker 2>meaning that they come to have in the patristic mindset

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<v Speaker 2>as the theology is explicated over the centuries. All right,

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<v Speaker 2>classic example logos right logos is not synonymous between the

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<v Speaker 2>usage in I don't know why that didn't show up

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<v Speaker 2>the alert boxes on it's supposed to show up. Let's see,

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<v Speaker 2>where's the alert box. Oh, it's behind Taylor Marshall. So

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<v Speaker 2>let me let me move the alert box and then

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<v Speaker 2>I'll replay your little ding your little ding dong there,

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for your little ding dong. We love your

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<v Speaker 2>little ding dongs here. All right, let me fix that. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>there we go, easter worshiper in the house. What's up,

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<v Speaker 2>Easter worshiper?

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<v Speaker 1>At me?

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<v Speaker 2>Make me smaller. It's kind of hard to make me

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<v Speaker 2>smaller next to Taylor Marshall because Taylor Marshall is literally

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<v Speaker 2>like that's all, but we will try. Okay, So I

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<v Speaker 2>got the ding dong zombie box in its right place.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me lock it there and they'll replay this for you.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go, look at the easter worster with his

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<v Speaker 2>little ding dong ding donging in and then we got

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<v Speaker 2>a little bitty tiny baby Taylor Marshall. Anyway, so the

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<v Speaker 2>whole point of all this is to get at the

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<v Speaker 2>real points of departure between our theology, our paradigm, our

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<v Speaker 2>system and theirs. And the fact that we have some

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<v Speaker 2>overlap does not mean that we have synonymous systems. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's the key here. Are there overlap between orthodox and

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<v Speaker 2>tomistic ideas, Sure, but there's overlap between any position potentially

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<v Speaker 2>and any other position, right. I mean I could say,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, say, for instance, a luciferians as I believe

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<v Speaker 2>in one God, and I could say, well, I believe

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<v Speaker 2>in one God. Well, there we go. We've got the

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<v Speaker 2>same system at work, no way, because we both agree

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<v Speaker 2>there's quote one God. Yeah, but what that we mean

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<v Speaker 2>by that is obviously radically different. So the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>we're using the same words really has nothing to do

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<v Speaker 2>with necessarily having the same meanings or conceptions. This is

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<v Speaker 2>the word concept fallacy. And it also doesn't mean that

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<v Speaker 2>there's no similarity or no overlap. For example, when a

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<v Speaker 2>Saint Maximus utilizes neoplatonic ideas, there's some overlap, but there's

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<v Speaker 2>also dissimilarity, Okay, So that it's really it really doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>matter whether there's similarity or dissimilarity, because it's a case

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<v Speaker 2>by case basis as well. There might be a situation

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<v Speaker 2>where there's no similarity. There might be a situation where

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<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of similarity. So there's no one size

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<v Speaker 2>fits all way to look at, compare, and analyze without

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<v Speaker 2>considering context as a whole, paradigms as a whole. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's what we want to do here. But in regard

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<v Speaker 2>to Taylor, the reason I'm bringing him up is because,

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<v Speaker 2>so this last couple of weeks, well within the last week,

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<v Speaker 2>I've had two traditional Catholic friends, a couple of the

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<v Speaker 2>few remaining ones that still will interact with me. I

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<v Speaker 2>have about four or five maybe that still will interact

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<v Speaker 2>with me that I've been friends with for a long time,

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<v Speaker 2>many many years. One of them reached out. I won't

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<v Speaker 2>say anybody's name, but one reached out and has been

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<v Speaker 2>having a kind of crisis. I'm not going to go

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<v Speaker 2>into anybody's personal details or anything like that. Another one

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<v Speaker 2>reached out, similar situation for different reasons. By the way,

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<v Speaker 2>one doctrinal, others not so much doctrinal, but both of

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<v Speaker 2>which I think stem from the Roman Catholic struggle. And

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<v Speaker 2>in the case of Taylor Marshall, I'm going to say

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<v Speaker 2>it's the same thing. It's stemming from the Roman Catholics.

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<v Speaker 2>I know what it's like to be a Roman Catholic.

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<v Speaker 2>I know what it's like to deal with the issues.

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<v Speaker 2>I know what it's like to struggle with reconciling Vatican

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<v Speaker 2>two to the Prior Dogmas. I know what it's like

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<v Speaker 2>to be in the world of the SSPX and attending

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<v Speaker 2>the Latin Mass. I mean, I understand all this. I

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<v Speaker 2>know it very well from being there. And again, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't hate Roman Catholics. I don't hate Tim Gordon or

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<v Speaker 2>any of these people that are kind of freaking out

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<v Speaker 2>and having these fits and episodes. I don't hate Taylor Marshall.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that they are doing the very things that

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<v Speaker 2>I've experienced. But of course it's a lot different to

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<v Speaker 2>reflect on, you know, a mindset or attitude that you had,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, maybe ten years ago. And I'm not saying

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<v Speaker 2>this like, oh, I'm better than Taylor Marshall because iude

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<v Speaker 2>ten years ago, but I did, and I can have

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<v Speaker 2>some insight into what is going on here. And the

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<v Speaker 2>problem is that the Roman Catholic system is a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of systems. So on one level, yeah, you could say

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<v Speaker 2>it's the papacy, and it's these councils, and it's these books,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's Denzinger, and it's this church over in Rome,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's the Gregorian Academy, and it's all this different stuff. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I know, But on another level, the actual prexus of

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<v Speaker 2>the Roman Celic world is a lot of different things

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<v Speaker 2>that you rely on. So sometimes it's extremely scholastic and philosophical.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes it's very obsessively the opposite, where you're relying on

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<v Speaker 2>mystical experiences and visions. Now, what's different with Orthodoxy is

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<v Speaker 2>that we don't stress or look to visions and mystical

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<v Speaker 2>experiences to confirm what just happens to be our chosen presubositions. Right. So,

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<v Speaker 2>in other words, if I had a mystical vision that said, Jay,

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<v Speaker 2>all of your theology in terms of Orthodoxy is absolutely correct,

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<v Speaker 2>and I angel so and so Angel soprano, Angel t soprano,

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<v Speaker 2>confirm that your theology is perfectly orthodox, go forth with

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<v Speaker 2>this angelic blessing. In the world of Orthodoxy, the first

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<v Speaker 2>thing that we would do is say that that's probably prelist,

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<v Speaker 2>that's probably a delusion that was sent you see, and

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<v Speaker 2>if you read the philocolia. This comes up right where

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<v Speaker 2>these visions. And a couple of the key signs that

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<v Speaker 2>about that indicate when a vision is legitimate or illegitimate

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<v Speaker 2>has to do with what we how we view ourselves, pride, humility,

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<v Speaker 2>the experience itself being one of kind of overwhelming peace, love, assurance,

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<v Speaker 2>or does it lead us to this pre list of

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<v Speaker 2>now being super prideful. If you listen to the debate

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<v Speaker 2>that to the father Deacon doctor Anonias has had with

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<v Speaker 2>Matt Slick, you can see a perfect example of the

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<v Speaker 2>ultimate reliance upon the individual's experience, subjective experience that will

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<v Speaker 2>then be the determining factor for what he accepts from

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<v Speaker 2>that point on, because it was this supposed Calvinist experience

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<v Speaker 2>that he had that's going to tell him the Protestant

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<v Speaker 2>Canada scripture and Calvinism and his you know, do it

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<v Speaker 2>yourself sect of Matt Slickianism is the true church and

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<v Speaker 2>the true way to go. You see, it's that formative,

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<v Speaker 2>mystical quote unquote experience has determined the rest of his

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<v Speaker 2>response to this question of how do you know and

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<v Speaker 2>what's the right way to go? It's almost a worship

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<v Speaker 2>of authority. And in fact, I would critique that very

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<v Speaker 2>simply that Roman Catholicism is a worship of authority. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>That's it's one of the key problems here is this

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<v Speaker 2>idolatrous worship of authority. And yes, it's possible to have

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<v Speaker 2>an idolatrous worship of authority, right, I mean, what is

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<v Speaker 2>it the Catherine of Sienna that says, even if the

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<v Speaker 2>Pope were to tell you directly the words of Satan,

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<v Speaker 2>you should still follow it. Because it's the pope. That's

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<v Speaker 2>worship of authority. It's ludicrous, right, forget the exact quote,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's you know, it's something like that. And so

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<v Speaker 2>between Matt Slick and Taylor Marshall, you would think there

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<v Speaker 2>would be a world of difference, right, You would think

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<v Speaker 2>there would be just an infinite chasm of dissimilarity between

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<v Speaker 2>the experience of the Calvinist and the experience of the

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<v Speaker 2>mystical Tonist, Right, which apparently now it's a mystical tonism, right,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not a rationalism. Right. But I'm gonna play this

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<v Speaker 2>experience because a lot of people didn't believe me when

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<v Speaker 2>I said they thought I was making it up. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>Taylor Marshall didn't actually claim to have a vision of Milker's. No,

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<v Speaker 2>he does. And what I'm getting at is that you

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<v Speaker 2>will notice the similarity between the Protestant and the Roman

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<v Speaker 2>Catholic excess is exactly the same, like the relying on

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<v Speaker 2>the subjective experience, which is ironically the very thing that

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<v Speaker 2>both of those groups. Right, Matt Slick as a presuppositionalist, typically, Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't just rely on your experience. You got to

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<v Speaker 2>prove your arguments, right, Matt claims to be a presuppositionalist,

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<v Speaker 2>And likewise with Taylor, Oh you can't just rely on

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<v Speaker 2>your subjective experience, you got to submit to the pope.

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<v Speaker 2>He's made a career ten years of making this basic

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<v Speaker 2>argument that you can't have Christianity without the office of

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<v Speaker 2>the papacy. But now, because of his mystical vision and

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<v Speaker 2>all this other nonsense, he's better. He knows better than Rome.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's just the standard process that happens. So I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to play you and you'll notice notice the similarity

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<v Speaker 2>between the claims. I'm not saying they had the same experience.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just saying that this is all indicative of humanist

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<v Speaker 2>religious creation. Whether it's Protestanism or whether it's from Falsism,

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<v Speaker 2>they both are basically the same in terms of worshiping creatures,

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<v Speaker 2>obsessing over incessant creaturely things. And what's missing here is

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<v Speaker 2>the authentic experience of uncreated grace and the cleansing of

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<v Speaker 2>the News. Neither of those positions has any conception of that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yet this is fundamental to orthodoxy that without the undergoing

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<v Speaker 2>the process of repentance and the cleansing of the News,

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<v Speaker 2>which is not just the mechanical experience of going to

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<v Speaker 2>auricular confession in the Romancallic Church, it's the actual transformation

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<v Speaker 2>of the individual. And that's not even possible in the

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<v Speaker 2>Romancealoic system because of their doctrine of the beatific vision.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't have. There's no possibility of the experience of

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<v Speaker 2>uncreated grace in this life or seeing God knowing God

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<v Speaker 2>directly in this life, because their whole theology is predicated

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<v Speaker 2>on that not being possible in this life. Likewise, the Calvinist,

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<v Speaker 2>even though he doesn't really have the categories, he just

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<v Speaker 2>much confesses created grace. He just as much confesses and

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<v Speaker 2>denies the possibility of actually participating in the uncreated grace

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<v Speaker 2>of God and having a direct experience in life from

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<v Speaker 2>God and with God. Both of the positions, even though

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<v Speaker 2>they're radically different in all these frills and fancy talk

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<v Speaker 2>and whatever, at a fundamental level, both deny the reality

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<v Speaker 2>of experiencing uncreated grace, experiencing and possessing that in this life,

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<v Speaker 2>experiencing and possessing that on an individual level, right, and

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<v Speaker 2>they preclude that as even a possibility with the rest

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<v Speaker 2>of the theology that they confess, both the Protestant and

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<v Speaker 2>the Roman Catholic. Now, what did the Protests and the

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<v Speaker 2>Roman Catholic share in common? Hmm, oh, well, it just

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<v Speaker 2>happens to be absolute, define simplicity the Augustinian presuppositions, because

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<v Speaker 2>a quitness, of course, adopts the basic Augustinian presuppositions about

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<v Speaker 2>who God is in terms of his essence, the Phillyoque

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<v Speaker 2>created grace, et cetera, et cetera. And when the Reformation happened,

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<v Speaker 2>they defaulted to accept all of those same positions without question.

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<v Speaker 2>So the real root of this dialectic between the Protestant

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<v Speaker 2>and the Roman Catholic is not in do you like

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<v Speaker 2>Calvin or do you like Thomas Aquinas. In fact, I've

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<v Speaker 2>got a great little book here from a philosopher who

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<v Speaker 2>helped me in my transition from Calvin to Aquinas. His

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<v Speaker 2>name is Arvin Boss. He's a pretty well known academic

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<v Speaker 2>Quinus and Calvin contemporary Protestant thought, and he just shows

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<v Speaker 2>all the similarities and the kind of easy, smooth transition. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>what was Taylor Marshall's background, Well, it wasn't he an Anglican.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not faulting converts, by the way, That's not the

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<v Speaker 2>point here, right, there's nothing it's not being a convert

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<v Speaker 2>in its off that has isn't problematic. I'm just pointing

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<v Speaker 2>out that the doctrine of God is the real issue here.

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<v Speaker 2>Who is God? What are we talking about? What do

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<v Speaker 2>we mean by these words in terms and phrases. Do

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<v Speaker 2>Roman Catholics have the same triadology and Christology as the

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<v Speaker 2>first millennium? Do they have the cappadition Doctor of the Trinity?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think that they do. It's very easy, I think,

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<v Speaker 2>to demonstrate that. We'll look at some of that in

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<v Speaker 2>this book. My allergies are going bad, so I've got

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<v Speaker 2>like a super sinus headache today. And we will get

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<v Speaker 2>to the super chat TOURNAMENTE. But first I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>play this teleormercial clip. Now, hopefully this works. I'm on

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<v Speaker 2>positive at the sound will come through to you, guys.

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<v Speaker 2>But let me it's not that long. It's just a

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<v Speaker 2>We got three hundred and seventeen nerds. If you would,

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<v Speaker 2>we only got eighty eight likes. Please smash like if

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<v Speaker 2>you're enjoying this time. Even if you can't directly hear

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<v Speaker 2>it through the right way, at least it will echo

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<v Speaker 2>in this the microphone to a degree, so you'll be

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<v Speaker 2>able to hear some of it, but you'll get the

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<v Speaker 2>point here. A visionary I'm turning, not a profit.

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<v Speaker 4>But I have seen supernatural things in my life as

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<v Speaker 4>a Christian, as a Catholic, and one of those things

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<v Speaker 4>happened last night, and I'm reluctant to to share it,

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<v Speaker 4>but I think it'll be of comfort to other people.

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<v Speaker 4>So yesterday I went to confession and one of the

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<v Speaker 4>things I confessed was being prideful and judgmental and worried

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<v Speaker 2>And there no, I'm gonna pause is just for one

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<v Speaker 2>minute to make a brief comment here. First of all,

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<v Speaker 2>another thing that will that will be very common. And

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<v Speaker 2>who typically will actually make this valid curtis, which is

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<v Speaker 2>that who comes on streams and talks about their their

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<v Speaker 2>repentance and their humility. I mean this itself is prelest okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so uh, you'll notice Orthodox, but they don't typically come

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<v Speaker 5>And oh, my friends, you see before, when I was

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<v Speaker 5>a Roman Catholic, when I was an Orthodox person, I was.

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<v Speaker 5>I was taken by my pride. I was lifted up.

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<v Speaker 5>I was, I was vain, I was I was I

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<v Speaker 5>was full of my own fancy. I was I was

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<v Speaker 5>fancy free friend, I was full of myself. And then

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<v Speaker 5>I read about the papacy until I realized that all

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<v Speaker 5>of those years I had been deluding myself. Friend, I

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<v Speaker 5>had been caught up in my own bus. And then

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<v Speaker 5>I prostrated myself before Rome. I prostrated myself in a

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<v Speaker 5>profound act of humility. I perhaps laying there for eighteen hours.

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<v Speaker 5>In fact, I lost all sense of space and time

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<v Speaker 2>And then I knew deep down that my.

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<v Speaker 5>Whole life had been but a lie.

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<v Speaker 2>You see, I mean, this is just it just oozes, right,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, who was this guy? There was a guy

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<v Speaker 2>a couple days ago, right, Orthodox so called guy Roman Idean.

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<v Speaker 2>I see clown people guy, And what does he do?

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<v Speaker 2>He's got all these tweets about how humble he is,

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<v Speaker 2>how much he wants to be beaten down.

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<v Speaker 6>Because of his pride and because of his vanity. And

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<v Speaker 6>please I invite other Orthodox as I pray, to comment

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<v Speaker 6>and beat me down with your words. To your brethren,

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<v Speaker 6>this is all ball, it's all prelessed, it's all fake,

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<v Speaker 6>and everybody who's honest can see through this nonsense.

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<v Speaker 2>You're not fooling anybody here. You built a brand. Now

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<v Speaker 2>you have a problem with the system that you built,

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<v Speaker 2>so you got to cover up for this garbage by

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<v Speaker 2>uh oh, I had a mystical experience. And by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>let me explain to you, my profound humilitary brother, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just I'm just taken aback by mine. And this is

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<v Speaker 2>what Flanders did. Remember when Flanders did his stream, and it

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<v Speaker 2>was like, I, uh, I was so prideful. I was

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<v Speaker 2>full of pride. And now let me explain to you,

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<v Speaker 2>and let me tell you how prideful I've been, as

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<v Speaker 2>if that's not itself just oozing with this this. Come on, man,

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<v Speaker 2>everybody can see through that stuff. It's not it's just gross, dude,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just cringe and scandals.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's been a kind of a struggle for me lately.

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<v Speaker 2>So you might confess that in the.

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<v Speaker 4>Presets of very good things to counsel me on that.

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<v Speaker 4>And later that night, which was last night, I was

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<v Speaker 4>on that point of being worried and concerned and judgmental

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<v Speaker 4>and all these negative thoughts and emotions about the Holy

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<v Speaker 4>Catholic Church when the church, and as I was suddenly

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<v Speaker 4>like I saw this beautiful woman. She had blonde hair,

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<v Speaker 4>she was perfect, no wrinkles, no spots, and I immediately

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<v Speaker 4>was writing and paint. She was in a bed and

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<v Speaker 4>there's sheets on her, and she was very sick. And

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<v Speaker 4>I noticed that her breasts were engorged with milk.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, you trads, I mean this is gold. I couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>have asked for something about it. You trads. You guys

415
00:32:43.640 --> 00:32:48.119
<v Speaker 2>have attacked me incessantly. You've gone ape over me, you

416
00:32:48.200 --> 00:32:51.440
<v Speaker 2>have done said everything. And I'm not mad. I forgive

417
00:32:51.480 --> 00:32:54.319
<v Speaker 2>you guys. Okay, I'm not worried about it because I

418
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<v Speaker 2>know what it's like to be a trad. Okay, And

419
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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna be honest. I didn't want to forgive you guys,

420
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<v Speaker 2>but I have to. I have to make myself because

421
00:33:01.680 --> 00:33:02.920
<v Speaker 2>Christ tells us we have to.

422
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<v Speaker 5>Right.

423
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<v Speaker 2>But look, you guys have attacked me. I told you

424
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<v Speaker 2>that this guy was wrong, and he won't debate because

425
00:33:13.200 --> 00:33:16.839
<v Speaker 2>he knows that we would floor him when it comes

426
00:33:16.839 --> 00:33:19.079
<v Speaker 2>to Tomism, when it comes to divine simplicity, when it

427
00:33:19.079 --> 00:33:23.839
<v Speaker 2>comes to these issues. Right. And when I would bring

428
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<v Speaker 2>this up for months and months on Twitter, I would

429
00:33:26.039 --> 00:33:28.200
<v Speaker 2>constantly try to talk. I would say, you know, let's

430
00:33:28.240 --> 00:33:29.880
<v Speaker 2>do this, let's do know as you do, he blocks

431
00:33:29.920 --> 00:33:33.200
<v Speaker 2>me right, And now what's happened? What Within a few

432
00:33:33.240 --> 00:33:36.480
<v Speaker 2>months after this blocking, what does he do? He comes

433
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<v Speaker 2>and does this car video of this ridiculous claim to

434
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<v Speaker 2>this mystical vision of engorged milkers. Let's play this again.

435
00:33:47.960 --> 00:33:51.440
<v Speaker 4>Beautiful woman, she had blonde hair, she was perfect, no wrinkles,

436
00:33:51.440 --> 00:33:54.680
<v Speaker 4>no spots. And I immediately discerned that this was Holy

437
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<v Speaker 4>Mother of the Church.

438
00:33:57.000 --> 00:33:59.319
<v Speaker 2>And she was writing a paint.

439
00:33:59.359 --> 00:34:01.519
<v Speaker 4>She was in a bed and there's sheets on her,

440
00:34:01.519 --> 00:34:05.000
<v Speaker 4>and she was very sick. And I noticed that her

441
00:34:05.039 --> 00:34:09.519
<v Speaker 4>breasts were engorged with milk, tons of milk.

442
00:34:10.320 --> 00:34:15.039
<v Speaker 2>And I mean, you know what, if you guys think

443
00:34:15.159 --> 00:34:17.719
<v Speaker 2>that is a valid approach, if you want to fall that,

444
00:34:17.880 --> 00:34:20.360
<v Speaker 2>then you get what you deserve, you see, I mean

445
00:34:20.760 --> 00:34:24.480
<v Speaker 2>to follow this over what we have in Orthodoxy is

446
00:34:24.639 --> 00:34:27.559
<v Speaker 2>just sad. I feel sorry for you guys and all

447
00:34:27.599 --> 00:34:30.400
<v Speaker 2>you have to do. Look, it's okay to be wrong. Okay,

448
00:34:30.480 --> 00:34:33.840
<v Speaker 2>I've been wrong many many times. It's not the end

449
00:34:33.880 --> 00:34:37.800
<v Speaker 2>of the world to be wrong about something. Right. I

450
00:34:37.840 --> 00:34:40.440
<v Speaker 2>was raised Protestant. I came to eventually see that. I

451
00:34:40.519 --> 00:34:42.639
<v Speaker 2>just it's just not right. I tried to defend it.

452
00:34:43.159 --> 00:34:46.599
<v Speaker 2>It's okay to be wrong. I got into wrong Catholicism.

453
00:34:46.679 --> 00:34:50.719
<v Speaker 2>I lived it, breathed it, took it so serious. I mean,

454
00:34:50.760 --> 00:34:53.440
<v Speaker 2>I was super committed to this stuff, right. It wasn't like, oh,

455
00:34:53.480 --> 00:34:57.840
<v Speaker 2>it's just a you know, cultural thing. I'll pretend, dude.

456
00:34:57.920 --> 00:35:03.039
<v Speaker 2>I mean I've read Denzinger twice. No nobody does that, Okay,

457
00:35:03.199 --> 00:35:06.679
<v Speaker 2>unless they're serious about their Catholicism. People don't just sit

458
00:35:06.719 --> 00:35:12.599
<v Speaker 2>down and read through eight hundred page books about Catholic DNMA.

459
00:35:12.760 --> 00:35:15.840
<v Speaker 2>You don't get so serious that you're going to the

460
00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:19.199
<v Speaker 2>Latin Mass for years and years and years if you're

461
00:35:19.239 --> 00:35:22.000
<v Speaker 2>not taking this serious. So I get it, dude. I

462
00:35:22.159 --> 00:35:28.079
<v Speaker 2>understand the modus operanda, the mindset. But this is embarrassing.

463
00:35:28.119 --> 00:35:30.280
<v Speaker 2>And it's not just embarrassing because oh it's some kind

464
00:35:30.320 --> 00:35:32.719
<v Speaker 2>of rivalry with I don't follow Taylor Marshall. I don't

465
00:35:32.800 --> 00:35:35.280
<v Speaker 2>keep up with the tried drama. I haven't kept up

466
00:35:35.280 --> 00:35:38.000
<v Speaker 2>with that in at least a decade. I left all

467
00:35:38.039 --> 00:35:39.559
<v Speaker 2>of that stuff, haven't been back. I don't miss it

468
00:35:39.599 --> 00:35:41.599
<v Speaker 2>at all. I have no interest in any of that stuff,

469
00:35:41.599 --> 00:35:47.360
<v Speaker 2>although I will debate Roman Catholics. But it's illustrative. That's

470
00:35:47.360 --> 00:35:49.760
<v Speaker 2>the point here. It's illustrative that it's the exact same

471
00:35:49.840 --> 00:35:55.000
<v Speaker 2>issue that you saw with Taylor Marshall. I'm excuse with

472
00:35:55.079 --> 00:35:58.320
<v Speaker 2>the Matt Slick and the debate with doctor Ananias, Right,

473
00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:03.880
<v Speaker 2>what is the foundation really of these positions? Is it

474
00:36:03.920 --> 00:36:07.960
<v Speaker 2>really all of this high falutint philosophy and dogmatics and

475
00:36:08.039 --> 00:36:13.360
<v Speaker 2>magisterium and councils and all, or is it really the

476
00:36:13.400 --> 00:36:18.719
<v Speaker 2>subjective desire and experience and the impetus to want to

477
00:36:18.880 --> 00:36:26.039
<v Speaker 2>ratify what is your own position? As father deacon? Doctor

478
00:36:26.039 --> 00:36:29.599
<v Speaker 2>Ananias said it really well. I think it describes adequately

479
00:36:29.679 --> 00:36:33.119
<v Speaker 2>the Roman Catholic perception, which is, and you could say

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<v Speaker 2>the same thing for Calvinism. Are we not I'm speaking

481
00:36:38.360 --> 00:36:42.159
<v Speaker 2>as a Roman category Calvinist formerly being one. Are we

482
00:36:42.239 --> 00:36:46.960
<v Speaker 2>not really just defending an idea? I mean, are you

483
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<v Speaker 2>not really just worshiping your idea of God? I never

484
00:36:53.360 --> 00:36:54.960
<v Speaker 2>really thought about that when I was a Roman calthuy

485
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<v Speaker 2>if It wasn't until I heard, you know, Orthodox critiques

486
00:36:57.320 --> 00:37:00.239
<v Speaker 2>where I started thinking that, you know, my idea is

487
00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:05.400
<v Speaker 2>not a correspondence to who God is or what God is, right,

488
00:37:06.280 --> 00:37:08.159
<v Speaker 2>they don't match up. And I know that in theory,

489
00:37:08.280 --> 00:37:11.519
<v Speaker 2>Roman Catholics confess via negativa, and I know they confess that,

490
00:37:11.679 --> 00:37:13.679
<v Speaker 2>and I know in some sense Calvinists we confess that

491
00:37:14.760 --> 00:37:17.079
<v Speaker 2>unless they were like a Clerkian or something. I mean,

492
00:37:17.119 --> 00:37:20.400
<v Speaker 2>they actually think that our ideas are like literally, I'm

493
00:37:20.440 --> 00:37:26.679
<v Speaker 2>synonymous with propositions in God's minds. So but there is

494
00:37:26.840 --> 00:37:30.199
<v Speaker 2>a process. And if you go watch Father Peter Heres's

495
00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:35.079
<v Speaker 2>talk that he did that's really good on heterodoxy, it's

496
00:37:35.119 --> 00:37:36.599
<v Speaker 2>the talk that he did about a month ago on

497
00:37:36.599 --> 00:37:40.519
<v Speaker 2>the Holy Fathers. I highly recommend this talk because the

498
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<v Speaker 2>all of the issues that we're talking about here today

499
00:37:42.920 --> 00:37:46.000
<v Speaker 2>with Calvinists or with the Roman Catholics of Thomas, none

500
00:37:46.039 --> 00:37:53.280
<v Speaker 2>of it can be settled through factual propositions, debate, and analysis.

501
00:37:55.000 --> 00:37:59.000
<v Speaker 2>You may think that sounds weird. What why would you

502
00:37:59.039 --> 00:38:01.840
<v Speaker 2>do apologetics, discuss and debate if it can't be settled,

503
00:38:02.000 --> 00:38:09.199
<v Speaker 2>Because ultimately, it's not an issue that's intellectual. The reason

504
00:38:09.239 --> 00:38:12.519
<v Speaker 2>that it's not is because it can be right. But

505
00:38:12.559 --> 00:38:15.599
<v Speaker 2>what I'm saying is that it can't be reduced to that. So, yes,

506
00:38:15.639 --> 00:38:18.440
<v Speaker 2>God can use argumentation, He can use good arguments to

507
00:38:18.519 --> 00:38:21.599
<v Speaker 2>persuade people. But the issues at hand here are not

508
00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:26.519
<v Speaker 2>propositional rational problems. There are problems that man in his

509
00:38:26.679 --> 00:38:31.559
<v Speaker 2>heart has and the whole basis of both the Calvinist

510
00:38:31.599 --> 00:38:37.840
<v Speaker 2>Protestant Augustinian slash Tomistic Romanclitic approach. By the way, it's

511
00:38:37.840 --> 00:38:40.960
<v Speaker 2>not actually actually Augustine's view of elimination is closer to

512
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<v Speaker 2>our view. But setting aside that the Roman Catholic perception

513
00:38:46.039 --> 00:38:48.840
<v Speaker 2>of how we know God and the Calvinist conception or

514
00:38:48.840 --> 00:38:52.440
<v Speaker 2>prosing conception of how we know God are themselves both

515
00:38:53.039 --> 00:38:58.000
<v Speaker 2>propositional and based on created grace. So you see, the

516
00:38:58.079 --> 00:39:01.119
<v Speaker 2>system has already determined from the outset set the limitations

517
00:39:01.119 --> 00:39:06.360
<v Speaker 2>and possibilities of knowing God. This is why Saint Gregory

518
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<v Speaker 2>Palamos says that if you go with Barlum's presubpositions it

519
00:39:14.360 --> 00:39:18.159
<v Speaker 2>leads to atheism, you will end up atheist. I'm not

520
00:39:18.199 --> 00:39:21.440
<v Speaker 2>saying that necessarily every person ends up atheist. He's saying

521
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<v Speaker 2>that if you followed it out to its consistent logical conclusion,

522
00:39:26.119 --> 00:39:30.400
<v Speaker 2>you would end up atheist. And that's because again, the

523
00:39:31.079 --> 00:39:34.960
<v Speaker 2>system is determined from the outset that you don't actually

524
00:39:35.079 --> 00:39:38.760
<v Speaker 2>directly know the God that you're proclaiming to believe in,

525
00:39:39.559 --> 00:39:44.920
<v Speaker 2>teach about, dogmatize about, you know, creative effects. You never

526
00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:49.639
<v Speaker 2>have the direct experience of his uncreated energies, at least

527
00:39:49.639 --> 00:39:52.760
<v Speaker 2>not in this life. But doesn't that really beg the question?

528
00:39:53.320 --> 00:39:56.239
<v Speaker 2>Then how do you know God? I mean, this is

529
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<v Speaker 2>really the whole entirety of the argument throughout the debate,

530
00:40:00.400 --> 00:40:04.119
<v Speaker 2>the dialogue with a barleymite right between Palamas and Akandino's

531
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<v Speaker 2>that's where it leads. I mean, this is really just

532
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<v Speaker 2>rehashed what doctor Bradshaw says in Aristota Lisam West right.

533
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<v Speaker 2>If we take all of these assumptions Actus puris all

534
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<v Speaker 2>the Aristilian movement of eternal matter on actualized actualizer type

535
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<v Speaker 2>of stuff that you see in Phaser and that you

536
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<v Speaker 2>see in every tonis that I've ever heard of, or

537
00:40:26.880 --> 00:40:30.039
<v Speaker 2>the the Ruman Catholic doctrine vince siplicity, then we're left

538
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<v Speaker 2>with an unknowable, ah unsaving knowledge of God. And it's

539
00:40:42.239 --> 00:40:47.119
<v Speaker 2>not the doctrine of the Compendosians, you see. But let's

540
00:40:47.119 --> 00:40:48.639
<v Speaker 2>hear this again because I just want I want you

541
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<v Speaker 2>to understand that. I mean, I told you guys that

542
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<v Speaker 2>Taylor Marshall is he's not even that great of an

543
00:40:58.840 --> 00:41:02.559
<v Speaker 2>exponent of Cathol and I said it ten years ago,

544
00:41:03.239 --> 00:41:06.199
<v Speaker 2>and here he is relying on something utterly ridiculous.

545
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<v Speaker 4>Immediately discerned that this was Holy Mother of the Church,

546
00:41:11.159 --> 00:41:13.920
<v Speaker 4>and she was writhing in pain. She was in a

547
00:41:13.960 --> 00:41:16.800
<v Speaker 4>bed and there's sheets on her, and she was very sick.

548
00:41:17.719 --> 00:41:22.039
<v Speaker 4>And I noticed that her breasts were engorged with milk,

549
00:41:22.920 --> 00:41:25.920
<v Speaker 4>tons of milk tons by the way, with babies and

550
00:41:26.000 --> 00:41:28.360
<v Speaker 4>children crying out to her that were hungry, and she

551
00:41:28.480 --> 00:41:30.679
<v Speaker 4>wanted to feed them, and she was she was upset,

552
00:41:31.280 --> 00:41:33.360
<v Speaker 4>but she was so sick she could hardly sit up

553
00:41:33.400 --> 00:41:36.559
<v Speaker 4>from her bed. And then I thought to myself, Oh,

554
00:41:36.599 --> 00:41:39.639
<v Speaker 4>she doesn't want she's poisoned. She doesn't want to nurse

555
00:41:39.679 --> 00:41:40.280
<v Speaker 4>the children.

556
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<v Speaker 2>So wait a minute, So Holy Mother Church is poisoned. Really,

557
00:41:47.079 --> 00:41:48.719
<v Speaker 2>I'm you sure you want to go that route. I mean,

558
00:41:49.239 --> 00:41:53.480
<v Speaker 2>just just on its face, this is preposterous. Okay, Taylor Marshall,

559
00:41:53.599 --> 00:41:57.159
<v Speaker 2>I don't believe you. I think it's bullshit. It's it's

560
00:41:57.199 --> 00:42:00.719
<v Speaker 2>it's absurd, and I mean, really, what do you need?

561
00:42:00.760 --> 00:42:06.320
<v Speaker 2>Why would you even continue listening to this guy? I

562
00:42:06.320 --> 00:42:11.559
<v Speaker 2>don't get it. I mean I get the impetus to

563
00:42:11.639 --> 00:42:15.400
<v Speaker 2>hold on to what you feel like is so necessary,

564
00:42:15.559 --> 00:42:20.920
<v Speaker 2>so important, so save Western civilization. But it's not gonna happen.

565
00:42:21.440 --> 00:42:23.800
<v Speaker 2>It's done all right, you're not going to get it

566
00:42:23.800 --> 00:42:30.360
<v Speaker 2>from the SSPX. And just on this point alone, I mean,

567
00:42:30.519 --> 00:42:33.760
<v Speaker 2>let me show you the absurdity of this from the

568
00:42:33.840 --> 00:42:44.960
<v Speaker 2>Roman Catholic dogmatic perspective, the idea that mother Church could

569
00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:53.480
<v Speaker 2>be poisoned and giving this out is ludicrous. The Church,

570
00:42:53.519 --> 00:42:56.239
<v Speaker 2>in terms of her sacraments, in the Roman Catholic position,

571
00:42:57.320 --> 00:43:04.000
<v Speaker 2>cannot be poison cannot be Uh. I'm trying to find this.

572
00:43:04.840 --> 00:43:07.320
<v Speaker 2>It's a it's a comment in oxworm fee Day, So

573
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<v Speaker 2>I'm just trying to find it here it is. So

574
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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to show you the Denzinger text for yourselves.

575
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<v Speaker 2>So let's come down here in fifteen seventy eight. So

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, hopefully you guys can read that. It

577
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<v Speaker 2>might be a little too might be a little too small.

578
00:43:36.880 --> 00:43:39.440
<v Speaker 2>I can make this bigger if we need to hear

579
00:43:51.639 --> 00:43:54.559
<v Speaker 2>trying to change the size of this anyway, we'll just

580
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<v Speaker 2>leave it as it is, dancing in fifteen seventy eight.

581
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<v Speaker 2>So now this is this the condination of the Senate

582
00:44:02.280 --> 00:44:04.360
<v Speaker 2>of Pistoia. So if you remember, there was a group

583
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<v Speaker 2>called Janseness, and Janseness were radical in the sense of

584
00:44:09.480 --> 00:44:12.599
<v Speaker 2>being strict Augustinians and the Jansenists wanted to do a

585
00:44:12.639 --> 00:44:15.480
<v Speaker 2>lot of things that were kind of similar to what

586
00:44:15.559 --> 00:44:26.920
<v Speaker 2>Protestants wanted, and even similar in ways to Orthodox But

587
00:44:27.039 --> 00:44:30.000
<v Speaker 2>eventually this became condemned and it was not seen to

588
00:44:30.079 --> 00:44:34.159
<v Speaker 2>be consistent with Catholic teaching. Because maybe I can make

589
00:44:34.199 --> 00:44:40.960
<v Speaker 2>this bigger. Like this, there we go. Because the problem

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<v Speaker 2>with the Jansenists presupposition, in light of the office of

591
00:44:47.599 --> 00:44:51.679
<v Speaker 2>the papacy and the claims of the Roman Sea, it

592
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<v Speaker 2>would be to presume that the Church has already and

593
00:44:56.280 --> 00:44:59.760
<v Speaker 2>for a long time, aired in something fundamental. It would

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<v Speaker 2>see suggest that the failure to perform the rites and

595
00:45:05.440 --> 00:45:07.800
<v Speaker 2>the sacraments in the vernacular, which is one of the

596
00:45:07.880 --> 00:45:10.760
<v Speaker 2>key points that they were having an issue with, right,

597
00:45:10.840 --> 00:45:16.239
<v Speaker 2>it would suggest that the Church had committed a serious mistake.

598
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<v Speaker 2>And it's, as you can see, very problematic to say

599
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<v Speaker 2>that the Church can commit some serious mistake in her

600
00:45:25.960 --> 00:45:29.199
<v Speaker 2>rights and in her liturgy and in her sacraments, because

601
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<v Speaker 2>it would mean that it is a compromising of the

602
00:45:32.239 --> 00:45:36.599
<v Speaker 2>fundamental constitution of the Church in Roman Catholic theology. In

603
00:45:36.639 --> 00:45:39.360
<v Speaker 2>other words, it would mean that something that she could

604
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<v Speaker 2>never fail to have, namely holy sacraments valid sacraments, sacraments

605
00:45:44.639 --> 00:45:47.320
<v Speaker 2>to save the world are now lacking, and so in

606
00:45:47.400 --> 00:45:50.880
<v Speaker 2>other words, it would compromise the indefectibility the church. Right.

607
00:45:50.960 --> 00:45:54.440
<v Speaker 2>So that's the problem with this idea and why it's

608
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<v Speaker 2>considered injurious theoretical, et cetera. When you look there at

609
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<v Speaker 2>fifteen seventy eight, it says the prescription of the synod,

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<v Speaker 2>this is the Synod of Pistoia of the genteness about

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<v Speaker 2>the order of transacting business in the conferences, in which

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<v Speaker 2>after it prefaced in every article, that which pertains to faith,

613
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<v Speaker 2>to the essence of religion, must be distinguished from that

614
00:46:16.559 --> 00:46:19.599
<v Speaker 2>which is proper to discipline. Now, what they're doing here,

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<v Speaker 2>the Jansonness are making an argument about distinguishing dogma from discipline, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and so conceivably you could see, okay, there might be

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<v Speaker 2>a distinction here. But the problem is that this argument

618
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<v Speaker 2>was being used to justify that the Roman Sea had

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<v Speaker 2>aired in terms of its discipline. In itself, discipline there

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<v Speaker 2>is to be distinguished from what is distinguished what is

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<v Speaker 2>necessary and useful to retain the faithful in spirit, from

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<v Speaker 2>that which is useless or burdensome for the liberty of

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<v Speaker 2>the sons of the New Covenant to endure, but more

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<v Speaker 2>so from that which is dangerous or harmful, namely leading

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<v Speaker 2>to superstitious and superstition of materialism, in so far as

626
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<v Speaker 2>by the generality of the words it includes and submits

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<v Speaker 2>to prescribed examination, even the discipline established and approved by

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<v Speaker 2>the Church. As if the Church, which is ruled by

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<v Speaker 2>the Spirit of God, could have established discipline which is

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<v Speaker 2>not only useless and burdensome for Christian liberty to endure,

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<v Speaker 2>but which is even dangerous and harmful and leads to

632
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<v Speaker 2>superstition and materialism. This position is false, rash, scandalous, dangerous,

633
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<v Speaker 2>offensive to piaced ears, injurious to the Church and to

634
00:47:39.920 --> 00:47:43.960
<v Speaker 2>the Spirit of God by whom it is guided, and

635
00:47:44.039 --> 00:47:49.079
<v Speaker 2>at least erroneous. Therefore, it is a jansonous proposition to

636
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<v Speaker 2>say that the Roman See can establish bad rights or disciplines.

637
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<v Speaker 2>So as you can see, it doesn't really matter what

638
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<v Speaker 2>one thinks of Vatican two as an individual Catholic or

639
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<v Speaker 2>its rights in terms of its novasorto promulgation, no sort

640
00:48:14.079 --> 00:48:17.199
<v Speaker 2>o missay, et cetera. Because you can have all the

641
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<v Speaker 2>opinions you want, you cannot say that the Roman See

642
00:48:21.679 --> 00:48:25.920
<v Speaker 2>can establish bad disciplines for the entire church. And yes,

643
00:48:26.000 --> 00:48:29.599
<v Speaker 2>these new sacraments are for the entire church obviously. So

644
00:48:29.679 --> 00:48:31.880
<v Speaker 2>really this is a no brainer. And I bring it

645
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<v Speaker 2>up because it will go towards reputing not just Taylor,

646
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<v Speaker 2>but the entire SSPX type of position, this idea that

647
00:48:46.199 --> 00:48:51.360
<v Speaker 2>Vatican two is not infallible and it's really up to

648
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<v Speaker 2>the whims of whatever judgment or any individual Roman Catholic

649
00:48:55.760 --> 00:48:58.880
<v Speaker 2>makes that he doesn't really have to accept it unless

650
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<v Speaker 2>he unless he, I guess, chooses to. I mean, what

651
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<v Speaker 2>does it mean to have an optional pastoral ecumenical council?

652
00:49:10.719 --> 00:49:15.599
<v Speaker 2>So it's optional. That's funny because every FSSP person who's

653
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<v Speaker 2>ever been reconciled from the SSPX to Rome f SSP

654
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<v Speaker 2>has been made to accept the Vatican Two. Why would

655
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<v Speaker 2>that occur? Why would that happen if it was an

656
00:49:27.440 --> 00:49:32.199
<v Speaker 2>optional council? This is a trad myth, it's a trad lie,

657
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<v Speaker 2>as we'll see here in a moment, that Vatican two

658
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<v Speaker 2>is optional, and it doesn't matter how many times the

659
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<v Speaker 2>Vatican restates that it's not optional, they will continue on

660
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<v Speaker 2>saying that, well, I don't have to accept when the

661
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<v Speaker 2>Pope says it's not optional because he didn't say it dogmatically.

662
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<v Speaker 2>This is ludicrous, all right, This is just absurd levels

663
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<v Speaker 2>of coping mechanisms. Right, welcome everybody. We have almost four hundred.

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<v Speaker 2>There's the super chat. If you want to leave a

665
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<v Speaker 2>super chat, feel free to support the stream by the

666
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<v Speaker 2>super chats. But that's just one example. Now we're not

667
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<v Speaker 2>going to just stop there. We're going to look at

668
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<v Speaker 2>a couple more places in Denzinger because one of the

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<v Speaker 2>key points that is crucial to grasping the mistake of

670
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<v Speaker 2>the trads is the question of the magisterium and the

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<v Speaker 2>ordinary and universal magisterium. So, being that I do know

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<v Speaker 2>Denzinger like the back of my hand, I would like

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<v Speaker 2>to direct you direct you to another section in Denzinger.

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<v Speaker 2>And of course this is related to Vatican One. So

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<v Speaker 2>let's scroll down here to sixteen eighty three. All right. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>So at the time of Vatican One, there were some

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<v Speaker 2>interesting questions raised along the same lines, relating to not

678
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<v Speaker 2>just bad disciplines, but other aspects of Roman Catholic dooma

679
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<v Speaker 2>like the Roman congregations, or the idea of jurisdiction, or

680
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<v Speaker 2>the idea of the Holy Office condemning people. Right, So,

681
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<v Speaker 2>In other words, there were arguments being made like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't really have to agree to the condemnation of

683
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<v Speaker 2>a heretic from the Holy See or from the Holy Office,

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<v Speaker 2>because that's just an exercise of discipline. So therefore, conceivably

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<v Speaker 2>could discipline be rejected. Well, we look at sixteen eighty

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<v Speaker 2>three and it says it reads we persuade ourselves in

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<v Speaker 2>the middle there we persuade ourselves also that they did

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<v Speaker 2>not wish to declare that that perfect adhesion to reveal

689
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<v Speaker 2>truths which they recognize is absolutely necessary to attain true

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<v Speaker 2>progress in the sciences into refute errors could be obtained

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<v Speaker 2>if faith and obedience were given only to the dogmas

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<v Speaker 2>expressly defined. This is the argument that I only have

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<v Speaker 2>to adhere to something expressly defined. For even if we're

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<v Speaker 2>a matter of concerning that subjection which is to be

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<v Speaker 2>manifested by an act of divine faith, it would not

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<v Speaker 2>have to be limited to those matters that have been

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<v Speaker 2>defined by express decrees of the councils or the rom

698
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<v Speaker 2>upon defendency. What would have to be extended to the

699
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<v Speaker 2>matters handed down as if only revealed by the ordinary

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<v Speaker 2>teaching part of the church spread throughout the world, and

701
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<v Speaker 2>he says that this is false. Right, you don't have

702
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<v Speaker 2>to only adhere to dogmas. You have to hear a

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<v Speaker 2>to all of the decisions and decrees. And we know

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<v Speaker 2>this because the next point sixteen ninety eight continues this argument,

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<v Speaker 2>because it explicitly states in sixteen ninety eight, judgment and

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<v Speaker 2>decrees cannot be doubted even when they are merely juridical.

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<v Speaker 2>So the judgments and decrees of the Roman see cannot

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<v Speaker 2>be doubted even if it's something just juridical. There's also

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<v Speaker 2>seventeen ninety two the object of faith, by divine and

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<v Speaker 2>Catholic faith, all those things that must be believed which

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<v Speaker 2>are contained in the written Word of God in tradition,

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<v Speaker 2>and those things which are proposed by the Church, either

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<v Speaker 2>of sall the Magisterium or by her universal ordinary teaching power,

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<v Speaker 2>are to be believed as divinely revealed. So you see

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<v Speaker 2>that you can not reject the universal ordinary stat Magisterium

716
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<v Speaker 2>under the guise of saying that I will only follow

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<v Speaker 2>the dogmas expressly defined by extraordinary Magisterium. It's explicitly rejected

718
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<v Speaker 2>there both attempts, and by the way, there are more.

719
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<v Speaker 2>If these are not good enough for you, but hopefully

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<v Speaker 2>these should be good enough to really kind of make

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<v Speaker 2>the point right now. Next up, I would direct you

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<v Speaker 2>to another issue that I'm not really trying to get

723
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<v Speaker 2>bogged down in drama because I don't really care about

724
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<v Speaker 2>this kind of stuff. However, it is worth noting that

725
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<v Speaker 2>the trad world is just as problematic as the world

726
00:54:46.559 --> 00:54:50.800
<v Speaker 2>of the Nosorto that it claims to be superior to.

727
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<v Speaker 2>And if you go to this church militant article, there

728
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<v Speaker 2>is and this is I'm saying this is because this

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<v Speaker 2>relates to Taylor Marshall. Because if you go to this

730
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<v Speaker 2>Survivor Speaks, there's an entire documentary presentation here. Okay, this

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<v Speaker 2>video here, so be sure and go. I'm not gonna

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<v Speaker 2>play it because I don't want them to. I don't

733
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<v Speaker 2>trust any of these groups. They'll just try to copyright you.

734
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<v Speaker 2>Ding you there. These these guys, these people are are

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<v Speaker 2>something else to deal with. So if you go and

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<v Speaker 2>play the Spotlight clip, it will it will make this

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<v Speaker 2>point that I'm making about all of these different problems

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<v Speaker 2>in the SSPX world. And one of their top quote

739
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<v Speaker 2>canonists this what's his name? I forget that our gray,

740
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<v Speaker 2>our gay or some Spanish name. What's the guy's name,

741
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<v Speaker 2>father something, It's in this article and in this video,

742
00:56:02.119 --> 00:56:05.599
<v Speaker 2>this guy is like, you know, in all this trouble

743
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<v Speaker 2>over this and he ends up with a castle and

744
00:56:08.719 --> 00:56:11.079
<v Speaker 2>he ends up promoted. I'm not making this up to

745
00:56:11.159 --> 00:56:14.840
<v Speaker 2>living in a castle. It's in this video. I'm not

746
00:56:14.840 --> 00:56:19.599
<v Speaker 2>gonna play the video. I don't remember the guy's name father,

747
00:56:19.960 --> 00:56:28.400
<v Speaker 2>somebody his Hispanic named guy, and now he lives in

748
00:56:28.480 --> 00:56:32.519
<v Speaker 2>a giant castle. You can't make this stuff up. Now,

749
00:56:32.559 --> 00:56:35.239
<v Speaker 2>this is supposed to be, you know, the center of

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00:56:35.320 --> 00:56:40.199
<v Speaker 2>trad world SSPX. I was looking for the picture of

751
00:56:40.239 --> 00:56:44.559
<v Speaker 2>the castle, but I can't find it anyway. You can

752
00:56:44.599 --> 00:56:48.360
<v Speaker 2>go watch it in that video that I linked there. Now,

753
00:56:48.400 --> 00:56:50.480
<v Speaker 2>when I say this, it's not because I'm interested in

754
00:56:50.519 --> 00:56:54.920
<v Speaker 2>supporting Michael Vories and Church Militant and the Gordon brothers

755
00:56:55.519 --> 00:57:02.599
<v Speaker 2>and they're historyonics today. It's just to show you that

756
00:57:03.920 --> 00:57:09.960
<v Speaker 2>the trad world appears to be imploding and enveloping itself

757
00:57:10.000 --> 00:57:21.039
<v Speaker 2>in its own kind of implosion. So you've got Michael

758
00:57:21.119 --> 00:57:28.079
<v Speaker 2>Voris and his crew going after SSPX crew and these people,

759
00:57:28.199 --> 00:57:30.960
<v Speaker 2>and this I guess I'm told led to Taylor Marshall

760
00:57:31.000 --> 00:57:36.440
<v Speaker 2>blocking Gordon and all these characters or his former co

761
00:57:36.519 --> 00:57:46.079
<v Speaker 2>host anyway, I don't know if I can share this,

762
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<v Speaker 2>but really what my point in all this is just

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<v Speaker 2>to say that it's not accidental that I've had to

764
00:57:58.880 --> 00:58:02.519
<v Speaker 2>one trad rip or in another Catholic guy reaching out

765
00:58:02.519 --> 00:58:05.119
<v Speaker 2>this week saying, look this, I don't know how to

766
00:58:05.119 --> 00:58:08.239
<v Speaker 2>deal with all this. I can't make sense of all this.

767
00:58:08.599 --> 00:58:14.559
<v Speaker 2>And tomorrow, all right, you've got Francis is going to

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<v Speaker 2>drop his new and cyclical and it's called for Telly Tutty.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not joking. I know that sounds kind of like

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00:58:29.519 --> 00:58:36.440
<v Speaker 2>the Fortelli's like goonies. Well, Francis's goons, his goonies are

771
00:58:36.440 --> 00:58:39.719
<v Speaker 2>going to drop for Telly two D. Francis is new

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<v Speaker 2>and cyclical on human fraternity and solidarity. And what do

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00:58:42.960 --> 00:58:46.079
<v Speaker 2>you think this is cyclical is based on. It's based

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00:58:46.119 --> 00:58:50.480
<v Speaker 2>on that humanist style meeting that he had with the

775
00:58:50.800 --> 00:58:59.800
<v Speaker 2>Imam's in where was it Abu Dhabi or somewhere, And

776
00:59:00.039 --> 00:59:01.800
<v Speaker 2>I said this in Cyclical is going to be about

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<v Speaker 2>the humanist gatherings, the Humanist Manifesto Council that Francis originally

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<v Speaker 2>had planned for this year until COVID happened right. So

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<v Speaker 2>part of the reason why people are kind of having

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<v Speaker 2>these issues is that they know what's coming. Okay, we

781
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<v Speaker 2>will be looking forward to Francis's explication of Fratelli tutti

782
00:59:39.559 --> 00:59:42.119
<v Speaker 2>and how we're all brothers and sisters in a free

783
00:59:42.159 --> 00:59:48.400
<v Speaker 2>Masonic sense, even though we're not all brothers and sisters. Okay,

784
00:59:51.000 --> 00:59:52.639
<v Speaker 2>but I'm trying to figure out how to do this.

785
00:59:52.679 --> 00:59:54.480
<v Speaker 2>So here, what we're going to look at is a

786
00:59:54.519 --> 01:00:01.920
<v Speaker 2>couple of documents. So the first one is Francis here,

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<v Speaker 2>and I want you to be very clear. Here's what

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01:00:12.599 --> 01:00:17.599
<v Speaker 2>Francis says, so hopefully you can see this. Okay, here's Francis.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the sixty eighth address to the National Liturgical

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<v Speaker 2>Week in Italy. We can affirm with certainty and with

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01:00:31.280 --> 01:00:41.360
<v Speaker 2>magisterial authority, the Liturgical Reform is irreversible. Can you hear me?

792
01:00:42.159 --> 01:00:46.840
<v Speaker 2>Do you hear that? I'm going to put it in

793
01:00:46.880 --> 01:00:49.400
<v Speaker 2>the chat for you so you can read it for yourself.

794
01:00:55.880 --> 01:01:00.920
<v Speaker 2>We affirm, with certainty and with magisterial authority, Turgical Form

795
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<v Speaker 2>Reform Vatican two is irreversible. Do you hear me? Can

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01:01:07.639 --> 01:01:14.239
<v Speaker 2>you be honest? What does it say? Okay, says that. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>let's look at oh man, I hate it. One does this.

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<v Speaker 2>This is John the twenty third. I'm not gonna read

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<v Speaker 2>this whole thing. You're gonna have to go to Google

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<v Speaker 2>Translate and you're gonna have to put it in there.

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01:01:35.920 --> 01:01:40.320
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna give you the quote or the link. Okay,

802
01:01:40.320 --> 01:01:43.760
<v Speaker 2>and you go to Google Translate. It's not that long.

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01:01:46.320 --> 01:01:49.559
<v Speaker 2>Here it comes. This is the address at the opening

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<v Speaker 2>of Vatican two. And when you read this, when you

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01:01:53.800 --> 01:01:55.800
<v Speaker 2>put it in Google Translate, you can make it out. Fine,

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01:01:55.880 --> 01:01:59.039
<v Speaker 2>it's not disputable what he means. He's very clear that

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<v Speaker 2>this is an ecumenical council. It is called with the

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01:02:04.719 --> 01:02:12.000
<v Speaker 2>full authority, full power, full apostoric, apostolic universal sense. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>so there's the opening of the council, John the twenty

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<v Speaker 2>third his speech telling you it's dogmatic. There's Francis telling

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01:02:24.760 --> 01:02:31.920
<v Speaker 2>you it's dogmatic. Now what about Paul the six. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>you see he said that it's pastoral. So what there's

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<v Speaker 2>nothing in Paul the six calling it pastoral that somehow

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<v Speaker 2>means that it's not protected by the terrorism or not dogmatic.

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<v Speaker 2>He says it defined no new dogmas. So what that's

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<v Speaker 2>not the criteria for what makes something dogma in real Catholicism.

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01:02:55.360 --> 01:02:58.639
<v Speaker 2>So there in the link you'll see the speech of

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01:02:58.679 --> 01:03:07.880
<v Speaker 2>Paul the six nineteen seventy six, restating and explaining his

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<v Speaker 2>comment of it being a pastoral council and laughing and

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<v Speaker 2>making fun of the people who act like it means

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<v Speaker 2>that you don't have to accept it. I mean, come on, guys,

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<v Speaker 2>so this alone, right, here's three clear testaments from the

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<v Speaker 2>popes that you have to accept Vatican two, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>thus a tread myth that you don't have to accept it.

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<v Speaker 2>I think what I'm gonna do is do a separate

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<v Speaker 2>stream for this book. And actually I may just cut

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<v Speaker 2>it short and just do this. Was it infallible?

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm going to do a separate stream about Vatican

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<v Speaker 2>two and the documents. I'm gonna do a different stream.

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<v Speaker 2>It wouldn't make sense to final least because I want

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<v Speaker 2>this to be a clear, like precise video just on

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<v Speaker 2>that topic that way, and plus a lot more people

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<v Speaker 2>will watch it too if I cut it at this

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<v Speaker 2>and come back later and do a different one, because

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<v Speaker 2>the longer this goes, the less people are gonna watch it.

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<v Speaker 2>But there so I've given you the three documents they're

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<v Speaker 2>in the links. If you're watching this a year from now,

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<v Speaker 2>if it's we're still here, hopefully you can pull up

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<v Speaker 2>those links and you've got three testaments. John the twenty third,

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<v Speaker 2>Paul the sixth, Hope France is telling you the Vatican

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<v Speaker 2>two has to be accepted. Vatican two opens with the

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<v Speaker 2>full papal authority. The documents close with full papal authority.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a trad myth that you don't have to accept

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<v Speaker 2>Vatican two. If an SSPX person comes back into communion

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<v Speaker 2>like the FSSP, they're made to accept Vatican two. And

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<v Speaker 2>to deny this would be to deny the Universal Magisterial

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<v Speaker 2>Teaching authority. It would be to say that Rome has

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<v Speaker 2>for sixty plus years enforced heresy, bad doctrines and rights,

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<v Speaker 2>and bad disciplines, which is condemned, which is the denial

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<v Speaker 2>of the terrorism. So there you go, so that there's

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<v Speaker 2>really not much to debate about this. Now. I was

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<v Speaker 2>gonna read it, but the problem is that it's Google translates,

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<v Speaker 2>so I'll have to scroll down, and when you scroll down,

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<v Speaker 2>it jumbles up the text, so you'll have to go

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<v Speaker 2>read the actual three documents that I placed into the text.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll put the three documents also in the show description

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<v Speaker 2>as well. But there you go. So there we have

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<v Speaker 2>the pretty clear presentation that you cannot reject the magisterial teaching,

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<v Speaker 2>whether ordinary or extraordinary. Primal Edge says, for fifty dollars,

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<v Speaker 2>an entire community in Ecuador, ninety people just became Orthodox.

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<v Speaker 2>Awesome Roman Catholic priest. No bishop is becoming an Orthodox priest. Wow,

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<v Speaker 2>praise God for that, and thank you Tristan for that money.

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<v Speaker 2>Much appreciated Orthodox one hundred dollars. Do all Protestants have visions? No?

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<v Speaker 2>Are they from Christ or mockery? I mean, I would

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<v Speaker 2>say in theory, it is possible for Jesus to appear

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<v Speaker 2>to a Protestant. Sure God can do whatever he wants

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<v Speaker 2>to do. He hears the prayers of Cornelius, so sure

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<v Speaker 2>he could do whatever he wants to. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of a manifestation is not going to produce

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<v Speaker 2>you know, pre list, it's not going to produce these

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<v Speaker 2>kinds of self appointed prophet type things. I think this

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<v Speaker 2>light is drumming, It's like drum my mind crazy. So

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<v Speaker 2>outside the church, we don't speculate on you know, where

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<v Speaker 2>those those visions come from, so we just try to

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<v Speaker 2>keep it consistent with what we know Revelation says, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So we're not going to speculate about like whose visions

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<v Speaker 2>outside the church are coming from?

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<v Speaker 1>Where?

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<v Speaker 2>What's the best book to give a trad Probably this one,

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<v Speaker 2>I would say, if you're new to Orthodoxy and you

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<v Speaker 2>want introduction to our different theology, I would say read

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<v Speaker 2>this if you're If it's a trad who's pretty well

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<v Speaker 2>versed in philosophy, this one, and by extension to you

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<v Speaker 2>could do pelicons, metamorphosis. Those are all good. But I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to do another stream on the other stuff. But

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<v Speaker 2>I'm want to cut this one short because i want

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<v Speaker 2>this to be more accessible. Jire Bear ten dollars. I

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<v Speaker 2>would say, go watch Craig's debate and talk on immaculate conception.

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<v Speaker 2>Craigs are really good on that. But anyway, I'll talk

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<v Speaker 2>to you guys later. I'm gonna have to go do

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<v Speaker 2>some other things. This stream is going to be have

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<v Speaker 2>to cut short. There was other things that I thought

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't gonna have to do tonight, but I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>have to go do that. So I'll talk to you

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<v Speaker 2>guys later. And God bless. Hopefully this is clear with

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<v Speaker 2>three key examples. They'll also be in the show description.