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Speaker 1: It's me, dire Way. Who is this, I.

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Speaker 2: Don't know, it's me.

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Speaker 3: It's Amid the Ruins, a guy who makes a dire

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Way of music. It's Amid the Ruins, dire Way community.

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Speaker 2: What I've talked about in you know, probably one hundred

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articles of Jays analysis is the implementation of the AI

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smart grid in the giant smart cities, which is what

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IBM talks about publicly building. And that's where we're going,

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and that's what I think we have to be really

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concerned about. So all of these tensions. They are putting

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a long term strategy to basically get everybody moved into megacities.

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They'll be forced to they'll be forced off the wind

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and so forth for an environmental reasons and basically concocted

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and invented environmental nonsense, and then you'll be stuck in

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some hell a whole mega city in a basically a

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cart in size apartment, living over a target or something,

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or inside of a target or a Walmart. As I

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said several years ago, it's actually coming true now there's

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actually target cities m M. This is all part of

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the long term globalist strategy. But to get there, you've

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got to have the constant clash, the constant alchemical blending

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and mixing and smashing together right out of Manicheanism to

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produce the convergence, to produce the synthesis. And that's what's

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crucial in all this, and what is absolutely true from

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an alchemical, esoteric, philosophical, angieobolotical perstrictive the fact that the

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rule elite seek to be host Jason alsos dot com.

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You can't try to fix today's problems politically. This is

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what so many people have. Old circles, not ride and

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whatever I need it. They all seem all right, welcome here,

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we are, We're back. And I like it when people.

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If you keep coming and keep coming at me, keep

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coming at me, I just double down and I do

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more streams, and I do more responses, and it has

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more effect. Lord willing God, God's grace. So I'm not

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deterred by all of this constant drama and nonsense. And

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if we want to go into that kind of stuff,

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we can. I'm happy to do that. Let's talk about

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who some of these people are, what they're into, what

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they're doing, the geopolitical forces behind what all's going on.

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We can go into Denzinger got Denzinger pulled up for

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you here right now, and we can get into the

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present implosion that's going on on. Apparently within the world

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of trad Catholicism. Things are heating up, not just Tracktholicism,

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but even the world of normies in the Catholic realm

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as well. Now, as you know, we've had a lot

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of I've had a lot of interactions over the years

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here and there, mainly blogging ten years ago with Taylor

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Marshall when I was new to the issues of divine

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simplicity and the energies and all that. And actually initially

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I kind of liked Taylor back in the day. He

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used to comment on different blogs that I would go on,

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and he used to comment on mine at times. And

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then things obviously went in a different direction. So once

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I left the world of Rome, I didn't, as you know,

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I didn't immediately go into orthodoxy, but just found it

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less and less convincing. But the irony is that where

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I was at ten years ago is the position that

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Taylor has presently adopted. That's the big irony here is

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that he would have called me a loon, a trad

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maniac at the time and then here we are ten

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years later and he's adopted this SSPX type of position.

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Now we're not going to focus on Taylor Marshall on

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all these antics of the Roman Catholic apologists, but I

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do want to hit on some of this just because

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the world of Roman Catholicism from the inside is different

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than the world of Roman Catholicism from the outside. Now,

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that could be said for any position or organization or

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church or entity. Sure, I'm not saying that that in

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itself is what proves or disproves any given position. So

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of problems in these different position in these so called theologians,

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that that just proves the whole thing, or in their

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lives or whatever. I don't do the drama with people's lives.

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pointing this one out is because it's illustrative. It's illustrative

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of what happens when you don't have the normative experience

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that we would say it's consistent with the Batristic experience

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what the experience of the Church and the Saints are

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supposed to be. So. For example, if you listen to

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the stream that I did with Snack yesterday or the

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day before, whenever it was, we talked about the admission

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on the part of Bishop barn that there was this loss,

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something was now missing. And yet at the same time,

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the Romancolic Church is supposed to possess the fullness right,

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and the Orthodox Church is lacking. But yet we're told

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that Vatican Two was partly an attempt to try to

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links to the Eastern Liturgy, all of these different things. Right,

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So we're gonna go into a lot of that today.

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We're going to go into this and another thing I

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want to do too. I may set it up as

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critique of Vatican two and wasn't infallible and all that

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in this stream, and then right after this, I might

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there's a separate book. I know that we haven't worked

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our way through the totality of the Pelicon series, but

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I might skip over to this one instead because this

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one is a really good introduction to the philosophy of

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the Cappadocians, probably the best that I could think of

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if you're new to the topic. And I mean, I'm

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trying to work through a book right now, writing a book,

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so I'm utilizing some of these kind of really good

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key sources. Obviously the Bradshaw book that I'm reading this

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through for the second time, really really good stuff. But

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we don't want to just critique the just quote contradictions

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between Vatican two and previous dogma. We also want to

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understand the different paradigm. And this is something if you

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go and listen to the many talks that I've done

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with Father Deacon and Iyas, then you know that we've

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covered this right. We've covered it many many times. He

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and I have done multiple, multiple streams going through Riscyte

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philosophy categories how that is transformed in the Orthodox understanding.

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meaning that those words had in Pagan philosophy and the

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meaning that they come to have in the patristic mindset

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as the theology is explicated over the centuries. All right,

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classic example logos right logos is not synonymous between the

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usage in I don't know why that didn't show up

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the alert boxes on it's supposed to show up. Let's see,

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where's the alert box. Oh, it's behind Taylor Marshall. So

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let me let me move the alert box and then

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I'll replay your little ding your little ding dong there,

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Thank you for your little ding dong. We love your

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little ding dongs here. All right, let me fix that. Yes,

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there we go, easter worshiper in the house. What's up,

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Easter worshiper?

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Speaker 1: At me?

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Speaker 2: Make me smaller. It's kind of hard to make me

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smaller next to Taylor Marshall because Taylor Marshall is literally

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like that's all, but we will try. Okay, So I

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got the ding dong zombie box in its right place.

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Let me lock it there and they'll replay this for you.

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There you go, look at the easter worster with his

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little ding dong ding donging in and then we got

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a little bitty tiny baby Taylor Marshall. Anyway, so the

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whole point of all this is to get at the

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real points of departure between our theology, our paradigm, our

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system and theirs. And the fact that we have some

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overlap does not mean that we have synonymous systems. And

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that's the key here. Are there overlap between orthodox and

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tomistic ideas, Sure, but there's overlap between any position potentially

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and any other position, right. I mean I could say,

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I mean, say, for instance, a luciferians as I believe

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in one God, and I could say, well, I believe

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in one God. Well, there we go. We've got the

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same system at work, no way, because we both agree

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there's quote one God. Yeah, but what that we mean

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by that is obviously radically different. So the fact that

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we're using the same words really has nothing to do

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with necessarily having the same meanings or conceptions. This is

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the word concept fallacy. And it also doesn't mean that

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there's no similarity or no overlap. For example, when a

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Saint Maximus utilizes neoplatonic ideas, there's some overlap, but there's

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also dissimilarity, Okay, So that it's really it really doesn't

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matter whether there's similarity or dissimilarity, because it's a case

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by case basis as well. There might be a situation

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where there's no similarity. There might be a situation where

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there's a lot of similarity. So there's no one size

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fits all way to look at, compare, and analyze without

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considering context as a whole, paradigms as a whole. So

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that's what we want to do here. But in regard

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to Taylor, the reason I'm bringing him up is because,

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so this last couple of weeks, well within the last week,

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I've had two traditional Catholic friends, a couple of the

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few remaining ones that still will interact with me. I

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have about four or five maybe that still will interact

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with me that I've been friends with for a long time,

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many many years. One of them reached out. I won't

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say anybody's name, but one reached out and has been

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having a kind of crisis. I'm not going to go

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into anybody's personal details or anything like that. Another one

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reached out, similar situation for different reasons. By the way,

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one doctrinal, others not so much doctrinal, but both of

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which I think stem from the Roman Catholic struggle. And

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in the case of Taylor Marshall, I'm going to say

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it's the same thing. It's stemming from the Roman Catholics.

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I know what it's like to be a Roman Catholic.

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I know what it's like to deal with the issues.

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I know what it's like to struggle with reconciling Vatican

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to be in the world of the SSPX and attending

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the Latin Mass. I mean, I understand all this. I

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know it very well from being there. And again, I

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don't hate Roman Catholics. I don't hate Tim Gordon or

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any of these people that are kind of freaking out

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and having these fits and episodes. I don't hate Taylor Marshall.

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I think that they are doing the very things that

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I've experienced. But of course it's a lot different to

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reflect on, you know, a mindset or attitude that you had,

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you know, maybe ten years ago. And I'm not saying

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this like, oh, I'm better than Taylor Marshall because iude

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ten years ago, but I did, and I can have

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some insight into what is going on here. And the

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problem is that the Roman Catholic system is a bunch

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of systems. So on one level, yeah, you could say

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it's the papacy, and it's these councils, and it's these books,

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and it's Denzinger, and it's this church over in Rome,

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and it's the Gregorian Academy, and it's all this different stuff. Yeah,

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I know, But on another level, the actual prexus of

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the Roman Celic world is a lot of different things

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that you rely on. So sometimes it's extremely scholastic and philosophical.

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Sometimes it's very obsessively the opposite, where you're relying on

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mystical experiences and visions. Now, what's different with Orthodoxy is

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that we don't stress or look to visions and mystical

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experiences to confirm what just happens to be our chosen presubositions. Right. So,

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in other words, if I had a mystical vision that said, Jay,

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all of your theology in terms of Orthodoxy is absolutely correct,

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and I angel so and so Angel soprano, Angel t soprano,

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confirm that your theology is perfectly orthodox, go forth with

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this angelic blessing. In the world of Orthodoxy, the first

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thing that we would do is say that that's probably prelist,

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that's probably a delusion that was sent you see, and

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if you read the philocolia. This comes up right where

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the inclination is to not leap into and jump upon

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these visions. And a couple of the key signs that

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the saints and elders and fathers all kind of talk

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about that indicate when a vision is legitimate or illegitimate

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has to do with what we how we view ourselves, pride, humility,

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the experience itself being one of kind of overwhelming peace, love, assurance,

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or does it lead us to this pre list of

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now being super prideful. If you listen to the debate

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that to the father Deacon doctor Anonias has had with

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Matt Slick, you can see a perfect example of the

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ultimate reliance upon the individual's experience, subjective experience that will

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that point on, because it was this supposed Calvinist experience

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that he had that's going to tell him the Protestant

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Canada scripture and Calvinism and his you know, do it

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yourself sect of Matt Slickianism is the true church and

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the true way to go. You see, it's that formative,

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mystical quote unquote experience has determined the rest of his

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system and What's funny is that Rome Catholicism has this

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just incessant emphasis on a kind of external, juridical authoritarian

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response to this question of how do you know and

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what's the right way to go? It's almost a worship

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of authority. And in fact, I would critique that very

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simply that Roman Catholicism is a worship of authority. Right,

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idolatrous worship of authority. And yes, it's possible to have

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an idolatrous worship of authority, right, I mean, what is

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it the Catherine of Sienna that says, even if the

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Pope were to tell you directly the words of Satan,

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you should still follow it. Because it's the pope. That's

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worship of authority. It's ludicrous, right, forget the exact quote,

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but it's you know, it's something like that. And so

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between Matt Slick and Taylor Marshall, you would think there

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would be a world of difference, right, You would think

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there would be just an infinite chasm of dissimilarity between

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the experience of the Calvinist and the experience of the

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mystical Tonist, Right, which apparently now it's a mystical tonism, right,

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it's not a rationalism. Right. But I'm gonna play this

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experience because a lot of people didn't believe me when

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I said they thought I was making it up. Oh,

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he does. And what I'm getting at is that you

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will notice the similarity between the Protestant and the Roman

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Catholic excess is exactly the same, like the relying on

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the subjective experience, which is ironically the very thing that

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both of those groups. Right, Matt Slick as a presuppositionalist, typically, Oh,

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you can't just rely on your experience. You got to

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prove your arguments, right, Matt claims to be a presuppositionalist,

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your subjective experience, you got to submit to the pope.

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He's made a career ten years of making this basic

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argument that you can't have Christianity without the office of

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the papacy. But now, because of his mystical vision and

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all this other nonsense, he's better. He knows better than Rome.

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And that's just the standard process that happens. So I'm

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going to play you and you'll notice notice the similarity

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between the claims. I'm not saying they had the same experience.

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I'm just saying that this is all indicative of humanist

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religious creation. Whether it's Protestanism or whether it's from Falsism,

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they both are basically the same in terms of worshiping creatures,

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obsessing over incessant creaturely things. And what's missing here is

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the authentic experience of uncreated grace and the cleansing of

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the News. Neither of those positions has any conception of that.

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the process of repentance and the cleansing of the News,

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which is not just the mechanical experience of going to

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auricular confession in the Romancallic Church, it's the actual transformation

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of the individual. And that's not even possible in the

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Romancealoic system because of their doctrine of the beatific vision.

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You don't have. There's no possibility of the experience of

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uncreated grace in this life or seeing God knowing God

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directly in this life, because their whole theology is predicated

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on that not being possible in this life. Likewise, the Calvinist,

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even though he doesn't really have the categories, he just

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much confesses created grace. He just as much confesses and

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denies the possibility of actually participating in the uncreated grace

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of God and having a direct experience in life from

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God and with God. Both of the positions, even though

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they're radically different in all these frills and fancy talk

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and whatever, at a fundamental level, both deny the reality

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of experiencing uncreated grace, experiencing and possessing that in this life,

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experiencing and possessing that on an individual level, right, and

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they preclude that as even a possibility with the rest

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of the theology that they confess, both the Protestant and

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the Roman Catholic. Now, what did the Protests and the

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Roman Catholic share in common? Hmm, oh, well, it just

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happens to be absolute, define simplicity the Augustinian presuppositions, because

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a quitness, of course, adopts the basic Augustinian presuppositions about

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who God is in terms of his essence, the Phillyoque

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created grace, et cetera, et cetera. And when the Reformation happened,

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they defaulted to accept all of those same positions without question.

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So the real root of this dialectic between the Protestant

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and the Roman Catholic is not in do you like

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Calvin or do you like Thomas Aquinas. In fact, I've

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got a great little book here from a philosopher who

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helped me in my transition from Calvin to Aquinas. His

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name is Arvin Boss. He's a pretty well known academic

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Quinus and Calvin contemporary Protestant thought, and he just shows

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all the similarities and the kind of easy, smooth transition. Now,

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what was Taylor Marshall's background, Well, it wasn't he an Anglican.

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I'm not faulting converts, by the way, That's not the

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point here, right, there's nothing it's not being a convert

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in its off that has isn't problematic. I'm just pointing

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out that the doctrine of God is the real issue here.

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Who is God? What are we talking about? What do

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we mean by these words in terms and phrases. Do

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Roman Catholics have the same triadology and Christology as the

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first millennium? Do they have the cappadition Doctor of the Trinity?

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to demonstrate that. We'll look at some of that in

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this book. My allergies are going bad, so I've got

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like a super sinus headache today. And we will get

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to the super chat TOURNAMENTE. But first I'm going to

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play this teleormercial clip. Now, hopefully this works. I'm on

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a different computer than I'm usually on, so I'm not

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positive at the sound will come through to you, guys.

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But let me it's not that long. It's just a

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little clip. It's going to illustrate the point I'm making. Welcome.

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We got three hundred and seventeen nerds. If you would,

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we only got eighty eight likes. Please smash like if

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you're enjoying this time. Even if you can't directly hear

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it through the right way, at least it will echo

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in this the microphone to a degree, so you'll be

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able to hear some of it, but you'll get the

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point here. A visionary I'm turning, not a profit.

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Speaker 4: But I have seen supernatural things in my life as

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a Christian, as a Catholic, and one of those things

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happened last night, and I'm reluctant to to share it,

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but I think it'll be of comfort to other people.

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So yesterday I went to confession and one of the

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things I confessed was being prideful and judgmental and worried

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and concerned about the state of the church.

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Speaker 2: And there no, I'm gonna pause is just for one

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minute to make a brief comment here. First of all,

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another thing that will that will be very common. And

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by the way, it's the Eastern European and Russian Orthodox

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who typically will actually make this valid curtis, which is

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that who comes on streams and talks about their their

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repentance and their humility. I mean this itself is prelest okay,

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so uh, you'll notice Orthodox, but they don't typically come

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on the live streams to talk about their humility.

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Speaker 5: And oh, my friends, you see before, when I was

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a Roman Catholic, when I was an Orthodox person, I was.

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I was taken by my pride. I was lifted up.

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I was, I was vain, I was I was I

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was full of my own fancy. I was I was

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fancy free friend, I was full of myself. And then

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I read about the papacy until I realized that all

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of those years I had been deluding myself. Friend, I

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had been caught up in my own bus. And then

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I prostrated myself before Rome. I prostrated myself in a

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profound act of humility. I perhaps laying there for eighteen hours.

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In fact, I lost all sense of space and time

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in my experience of profound humility and repentance.

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Speaker 2: And then I knew deep down that my.

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Speaker 5: Whole life had been but a lie.

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Speaker 2: You see, I mean, this is just it just oozes, right,

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I mean, who was this guy? There was a guy

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a couple days ago, right, Orthodox so called guy Roman Idean.

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I see clown people guy, And what does he do?

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He's got all these tweets about how humble he is,

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how much he wants to be beaten down.

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Speaker 6: Because of his pride and because of his vanity. And

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please I invite other Orthodox as I pray, to comment

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and beat me down with your words. To your brethren,

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this is all ball, it's all prelessed, it's all fake,

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and everybody who's honest can see through this nonsense.

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Speaker 2: You're not fooling anybody here. You built a brand. Now

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you have a problem with the system that you built,

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so you got to cover up for this garbage by

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uh oh, I had a mystical experience. And by the way,

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let me explain to you, my profound humilitary brother, I'm

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just I'm just taken aback by mine. And this is

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what Flanders did. Remember when Flanders did his stream, and it

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was like, I, uh, I was so prideful. I was

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full of pride. And now let me explain to you,

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and let me tell you how prideful I've been, as

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if that's not itself just oozing with this this. Come on, man,

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everybody can see through that stuff. It's not it's just gross, dude,

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it's just cringe and scandals.

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Speaker 4: And it's been a kind of a struggle for me lately.

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Speaker 2: So you might confess that in the.

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Speaker 4: Presets of very good things to counsel me on that.

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And later that night, which was last night, I was

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doing examination of conscience for bed and I was thinking

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on that point of being worried and concerned and judgmental

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and all these negative thoughts and emotions about the Holy

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Catholic Church when the church, and as I was suddenly

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like I saw this beautiful woman. She had blonde hair,

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she was perfect, no wrinkles, no spots, and I immediately

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discerned that this was Holy Mother the church, and she

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was writing and paint. She was in a bed and

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there's sheets on her, and she was very sick. And

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I noticed that her breasts were engorged with milk.

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Speaker 2: Now, you trads, I mean this is gold. I couldn't

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have asked for something about it. You trads. You guys

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have attacked me incessantly. You've gone ape over me, you

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have done said everything. And I'm not mad. I forgive

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you guys. Okay, I'm not worried about it because I

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know what it's like to be a trad. Okay, And

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I'm gonna be honest. I didn't want to forgive you guys,

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but I have to. I have to make myself because

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Christ tells us we have to.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 2: But look, you guys have attacked me. I told you

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that this guy was wrong, and he won't debate because

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he knows that we would floor him when it comes

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to Tomism, when it comes to divine simplicity, when it

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comes to these issues. Right. And when I would bring

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this up for months and months on Twitter, I would

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constantly try to talk. I would say, you know, let's

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do this, let's do know as you do, he blocks

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me right, And now what's happened? What Within a few

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months after this blocking, what does he do? He comes

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and does this car video of this ridiculous claim to

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this mystical vision of engorged milkers. Let's play this again.

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Speaker 4: Beautiful woman, she had blonde hair, she was perfect, no wrinkles,

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no spots. And I immediately discerned that this was Holy

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Mother of the Church.

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Speaker 2: And she was writing a paint.

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Speaker 4: She was in a bed and there's sheets on her,

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and she was very sick. And I noticed that her

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breasts were engorged with milk, tons of milk.

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Speaker 2: And I mean, you know what, if you guys think

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that is a valid approach, if you want to fall that,

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then you get what you deserve, you see, I mean

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to follow this over what we have in Orthodoxy is

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just sad. I feel sorry for you guys and all

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you have to do. Look, it's okay to be wrong. Okay,

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I've been wrong many many times. It's not the end

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of the world to be wrong about something. Right. I

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was raised Protestant. I came to eventually see that. I

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just it's just not right. I tried to defend it.

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It's okay to be wrong. I got into wrong Catholicism.

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I lived it, breathed it, took it so serious. I mean,

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I was super committed to this stuff, right. It wasn't like, oh,

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it's just a you know, cultural thing. I'll pretend, dude.

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I mean I've read Denzinger twice. No nobody does that, Okay,

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unless they're serious about their Catholicism. People don't just sit

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down and read through eight hundred page books about Catholic DNMA.

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You don't get so serious that you're going to the

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Latin Mass for years and years and years if you're

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not taking this serious. So I get it, dude. I

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understand the modus operanda, the mindset. But this is embarrassing.

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And it's not just embarrassing because oh it's some kind

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of rivalry with I don't follow Taylor Marshall. I don't

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keep up with the tried drama. I haven't kept up

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with that in at least a decade. I left all

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of that stuff, haven't been back. I don't miss it

468
00:35:39,599 --> 00:35:41,599
at all. I have no interest in any of that stuff,

469
00:35:41,599 --> 00:35:47,360
although I will debate Roman Catholics. But it's illustrative. That's

470
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,760
the point here. It's illustrative that it's the exact same

471
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:55,000
issue that you saw with Taylor Marshall. I'm excuse with

472
00:35:55,079 --> 00:35:58,320
the Matt Slick and the debate with doctor Ananias, Right,

473
00:36:00,079 --> 00:36:03,880
what is the foundation really of these positions? Is it

474
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,960
really all of this high falutint philosophy and dogmatics and

475
00:36:08,039 --> 00:36:13,360
magisterium and councils and all, or is it really the

476
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:18,719
subjective desire and experience and the impetus to want to

477
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:26,039
ratify what is your own position? As father deacon? Doctor

478
00:36:26,039 --> 00:36:29,599
Ananias said it really well. I think it describes adequately

479
00:36:29,679 --> 00:36:33,119
the Roman Catholic perception, which is, and you could say

480
00:36:33,119 --> 00:36:38,280
the same thing for Calvinism. Are we not I'm speaking

481
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:42,159
as a Roman category Calvinist formerly being one. Are we

482
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:46,960
not really just defending an idea? I mean, are you

483
00:36:47,039 --> 00:36:53,360
not really just worshiping your idea of God? I never

484
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:54,960
really thought about that when I was a Roman calthuy

485
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,280
if It wasn't until I heard, you know, Orthodox critiques

486
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,239
where I started thinking that, you know, my idea is

487
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:05,400
not a correspondence to who God is or what God is, right,

488
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,159
they don't match up. And I know that in theory,

489
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,519
Roman Catholics confess via negativa, and I know they confess that,

490
00:37:11,679 --> 00:37:13,679
and I know in some sense Calvinists we confess that

491
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,079
unless they were like a Clerkian or something. I mean,

492
00:37:17,119 --> 00:37:20,400
they actually think that our ideas are like literally, I'm

493
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:26,679
synonymous with propositions in God's minds. So but there is

494
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:30,199
a process. And if you go watch Father Peter Heres's

495
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:35,079
talk that he did that's really good on heterodoxy, it's

496
00:37:35,119 --> 00:37:36,599
the talk that he did about a month ago on

497
00:37:36,599 --> 00:37:40,519
the Holy Fathers. I highly recommend this talk because the

498
00:37:40,679 --> 00:37:42,880
all of the issues that we're talking about here today

499
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,000
with Calvinists or with the Roman Catholics of Thomas, none

500
00:37:46,039 --> 00:37:53,280
of it can be settled through factual propositions, debate, and analysis.

501
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:59,000
You may think that sounds weird. What why would you

502
00:37:59,039 --> 00:38:01,840
do apologetics, discuss and debate if it can't be settled,

503
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:09,199
Because ultimately, it's not an issue that's intellectual. The reason

504
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,519
that it's not is because it can be right. But

505
00:38:12,559 --> 00:38:15,599
what I'm saying is that it can't be reduced to that. So, yes,

506
00:38:15,639 --> 00:38:18,440
God can use argumentation, He can use good arguments to

507
00:38:18,519 --> 00:38:21,599
persuade people. But the issues at hand here are not

508
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:26,519
propositional rational problems. There are problems that man in his

509
00:38:26,679 --> 00:38:31,559
heart has and the whole basis of both the Calvinist

510
00:38:31,599 --> 00:38:37,840
Protestant Augustinian slash Tomistic Romanclitic approach. By the way, it's

511
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,960
not actually actually Augustine's view of elimination is closer to

512
00:38:41,039 --> 00:38:45,679
our view. But setting aside that the Roman Catholic perception

513
00:38:46,039 --> 00:38:48,840
of how we know God and the Calvinist conception or

514
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:52,440
prosing conception of how we know God are themselves both

515
00:38:53,039 --> 00:38:58,000
propositional and based on created grace. So you see, the

516
00:38:58,079 --> 00:39:01,119
system has already determined from the outset set the limitations

517
00:39:01,119 --> 00:39:06,360
and possibilities of knowing God. This is why Saint Gregory

518
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:14,280
Palamos says that if you go with Barlum's presubpositions it

519
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:18,159
leads to atheism, you will end up atheist. I'm not

520
00:39:18,199 --> 00:39:21,440
saying that necessarily every person ends up atheist. He's saying

521
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:25,840
that if you followed it out to its consistent logical conclusion,

522
00:39:26,119 --> 00:39:30,400
you would end up atheist. And that's because again, the

523
00:39:31,079 --> 00:39:34,960
system is determined from the outset that you don't actually

524
00:39:35,079 --> 00:39:38,760
directly know the God that you're proclaiming to believe in,

525
00:39:39,559 --> 00:39:44,920
teach about, dogmatize about, you know, creative effects. You never

526
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:49,639
have the direct experience of his uncreated energies, at least

527
00:39:49,639 --> 00:39:52,760
not in this life. But doesn't that really beg the question?

528
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,239
Then how do you know God? I mean, this is

529
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,840
really the whole entirety of the argument throughout the debate,

530
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:04,119
the dialogue with a barleymite right between Palamas and Akandino's

531
00:40:05,119 --> 00:40:07,199
that's where it leads. I mean, this is really just

532
00:40:07,519 --> 00:40:12,039
rehashed what doctor Bradshaw says in Aristota Lisam West right.

533
00:40:12,039 --> 00:40:16,119
If we take all of these assumptions Actus puris all

534
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:21,960
the Aristilian movement of eternal matter on actualized actualizer type

535
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:23,800
of stuff that you see in Phaser and that you

536
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,840
see in every tonis that I've ever heard of, or

537
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:30,039
the the Ruman Catholic doctrine vince siplicity, then we're left

538
00:40:30,119 --> 00:40:42,159
with an unknowable, ah unsaving knowledge of God. And it's

539
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:47,119
not the doctrine of the Compendosians, you see. But let's

540
00:40:47,119 --> 00:40:48,639
hear this again because I just want I want you

541
00:40:48,679 --> 00:40:53,920
to understand that. I mean, I told you guys that

542
00:40:54,079 --> 00:40:58,840
Taylor Marshall is he's not even that great of an

543
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:02,559
exponent of Cathol and I said it ten years ago,

544
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:06,199
and here he is relying on something utterly ridiculous.

545
00:41:07,119 --> 00:41:09,639
Speaker 4: Immediately discerned that this was Holy Mother of the Church,

546
00:41:11,159 --> 00:41:13,920
and she was writhing in pain. She was in a

547
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,800
bed and there's sheets on her, and she was very sick.

548
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:22,039
And I noticed that her breasts were engorged with milk,

549
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,920
tons of milk tons by the way, with babies and

550
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,360
children crying out to her that were hungry, and she

551
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,679
wanted to feed them, and she was she was upset,

552
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,360
but she was so sick she could hardly sit up

553
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,559
from her bed. And then I thought to myself, Oh,

554
00:41:36,599 --> 00:41:39,639
she doesn't want she's poisoned. She doesn't want to nurse

555
00:41:39,679 --> 00:41:40,280
the children.

556
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 2: So wait a minute, So Holy Mother Church is poisoned. Really,

557
00:41:47,079 --> 00:41:48,719
I'm you sure you want to go that route. I mean,

558
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:53,480
just just on its face, this is preposterous. Okay, Taylor Marshall,

559
00:41:53,599 --> 00:41:57,159
I don't believe you. I think it's bullshit. It's it's

560
00:41:57,199 --> 00:42:00,719
it's absurd, and I mean, really, what do you need?

561
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:06,320
Why would you even continue listening to this guy? I

562
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:11,559
don't get it. I mean I get the impetus to

563
00:42:11,639 --> 00:42:15,400
hold on to what you feel like is so necessary,

564
00:42:15,559 --> 00:42:20,920
so important, so save Western civilization. But it's not gonna happen.

565
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,800
It's done all right, you're not going to get it

566
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:30,360
from the SSPX. And just on this point alone, I mean,

567
00:42:30,519 --> 00:42:33,760
let me show you the absurdity of this from the

568
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:44,960
Roman Catholic dogmatic perspective, the idea that mother Church could

569
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:53,480
be poisoned and giving this out is ludicrous. The Church,

570
00:42:53,519 --> 00:42:56,239
in terms of her sacraments, in the Roman Catholic position,

571
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:04,000
cannot be poison cannot be Uh. I'm trying to find this.

572
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,320
It's a it's a comment in oxworm fee Day, So

573
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:16,360
I'm just trying to find it here it is. So

574
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:20,440
I'm going to show you the Denzinger text for yourselves.

575
00:43:22,519 --> 00:43:30,880
So let's come down here in fifteen seventy eight. So

576
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:32,679
I don't know, hopefully you guys can read that. It

577
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:36,679
might be a little too might be a little too small.

578
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,440
I can make this bigger if we need to hear

579
00:43:51,639 --> 00:43:54,559
trying to change the size of this anyway, we'll just

580
00:43:54,639 --> 00:43:59,159
leave it as it is, dancing in fifteen seventy eight.

581
00:43:59,639 --> 00:44:02,159
So now this is this the condination of the Senate

582
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:04,360
of Pistoia. So if you remember, there was a group

583
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:09,159
called Janseness, and Janseness were radical in the sense of

584
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,599
being strict Augustinians and the Jansenists wanted to do a

585
00:44:12,639 --> 00:44:15,480
lot of things that were kind of similar to what

586
00:44:15,559 --> 00:44:26,920
Protestants wanted, and even similar in ways to Orthodox But

587
00:44:27,039 --> 00:44:30,000
eventually this became condemned and it was not seen to

588
00:44:30,079 --> 00:44:34,159
be consistent with Catholic teaching. Because maybe I can make

589
00:44:34,199 --> 00:44:40,960
this bigger. Like this, there we go. Because the problem

590
00:44:41,039 --> 00:44:47,559
with the Jansenists presupposition, in light of the office of

591
00:44:47,599 --> 00:44:51,679
the papacy and the claims of the Roman Sea, it

592
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:56,199
would be to presume that the Church has already and

593
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,760
for a long time, aired in something fundamental. It would

594
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:05,400
see suggest that the failure to perform the rites and

595
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,800
the sacraments in the vernacular, which is one of the

596
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,760
key points that they were having an issue with, right,

597
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:16,239
it would suggest that the Church had committed a serious mistake.

598
00:45:17,679 --> 00:45:21,199
And it's, as you can see, very problematic to say

599
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:25,880
that the Church can commit some serious mistake in her

600
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,199
rights and in her liturgy and in her sacraments, because

601
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,199
it would mean that it is a compromising of the

602
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:36,599
fundamental constitution of the Church in Roman Catholic theology. In

603
00:45:36,639 --> 00:45:39,360
other words, it would mean that something that she could

604
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:44,639
never fail to have, namely holy sacraments valid sacraments, sacraments

605
00:45:44,639 --> 00:45:47,320
to save the world are now lacking, and so in

606
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,880
other words, it would compromise the indefectibility the church. Right.

607
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:54,440
So that's the problem with this idea and why it's

608
00:45:54,480 --> 00:46:00,719
considered injurious theoretical, et cetera. When you look there at

609
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,559
fifteen seventy eight, it says the prescription of the synod,

610
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:06,920
this is the Synod of Pistoia of the genteness about

611
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:10,760
the order of transacting business in the conferences, in which

612
00:46:11,039 --> 00:46:14,239
after it prefaced in every article, that which pertains to faith,

613
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,519
to the essence of religion, must be distinguished from that

614
00:46:16,559 --> 00:46:19,599
which is proper to discipline. Now, what they're doing here,

615
00:46:19,639 --> 00:46:26,159
the Jansonness are making an argument about distinguishing dogma from discipline, right,

616
00:46:27,079 --> 00:46:29,280
and so conceivably you could see, okay, there might be

617
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:32,519
a distinction here. But the problem is that this argument

618
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,639
was being used to justify that the Roman Sea had

619
00:46:35,679 --> 00:46:41,920
aired in terms of its discipline. In itself, discipline there

620
00:46:42,039 --> 00:46:44,480
is to be distinguished from what is distinguished what is

621
00:46:44,519 --> 00:46:47,639
necessary and useful to retain the faithful in spirit, from

622
00:46:47,639 --> 00:46:51,159
that which is useless or burdensome for the liberty of

623
00:46:51,199 --> 00:46:54,119
the sons of the New Covenant to endure, but more

624
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:58,920
so from that which is dangerous or harmful, namely leading

625
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:04,440
to superstitious and superstition of materialism, in so far as

626
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:08,000
by the generality of the words it includes and submits

627
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:12,400
to prescribed examination, even the discipline established and approved by

628
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,719
the Church. As if the Church, which is ruled by

629
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:20,360
the Spirit of God, could have established discipline which is

630
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,639
not only useless and burdensome for Christian liberty to endure,

631
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:28,239
but which is even dangerous and harmful and leads to

632
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:35,920
superstition and materialism. This position is false, rash, scandalous, dangerous,

633
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:39,840
offensive to piaced ears, injurious to the Church and to

634
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:43,960
the Spirit of God by whom it is guided, and

635
00:47:44,039 --> 00:47:49,079
at least erroneous. Therefore, it is a jansonous proposition to

636
00:47:49,159 --> 00:47:55,880
say that the Roman See can establish bad rights or disciplines.

637
00:48:00,039 --> 00:48:02,519
So as you can see, it doesn't really matter what

638
00:48:04,599 --> 00:48:08,639
one thinks of Vatican two as an individual Catholic or

639
00:48:08,679 --> 00:48:14,079
its rights in terms of its novasorto promulgation, no sort

640
00:48:14,079 --> 00:48:17,199
o missay, et cetera. Because you can have all the

641
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:21,639
opinions you want, you cannot say that the Roman See

642
00:48:21,679 --> 00:48:25,920
can establish bad disciplines for the entire church. And yes,

643
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:29,599
these new sacraments are for the entire church obviously. So

644
00:48:29,679 --> 00:48:31,880
really this is a no brainer. And I bring it

645
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:41,280
up because it will go towards reputing not just Taylor,

646
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:46,079
but the entire SSPX type of position, this idea that

647
00:48:46,199 --> 00:48:51,360
Vatican two is not infallible and it's really up to

648
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:55,400
the whims of whatever judgment or any individual Roman Catholic

649
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,880
makes that he doesn't really have to accept it unless

650
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:03,800
he unless he, I guess, chooses to. I mean, what

651
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:09,719
does it mean to have an optional pastoral ecumenical council?

652
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:15,599
So it's optional. That's funny because every FSSP person who's

653
00:49:15,639 --> 00:49:19,800
ever been reconciled from the SSPX to Rome f SSP

654
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:25,280
has been made to accept the Vatican Two. Why would

655
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,400
that occur? Why would that happen if it was an

656
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:32,199
optional council? This is a trad myth, it's a trad lie,

657
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:34,920
as we'll see here in a moment, that Vatican two

658
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:39,159
is optional, and it doesn't matter how many times the

659
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:43,760
Vatican restates that it's not optional, they will continue on

660
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:45,800
saying that, well, I don't have to accept when the

661
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,960
Pope says it's not optional because he didn't say it dogmatically.

662
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:53,960
This is ludicrous, all right, This is just absurd levels

663
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:59,639
of coping mechanisms. Right, welcome everybody. We have almost four hundred.

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There's the super chat. If you want to leave a

665
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super chat, feel free to support the stream by the

666
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super chats. But that's just one example. Now we're not

667
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going to just stop there. We're going to look at

668
00:50:14,159 --> 00:50:17,199
a couple more places in Denzinger because one of the

669
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:23,280
key points that is crucial to grasping the mistake of

670
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:27,480
the trads is the question of the magisterium and the

671
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:33,920
ordinary and universal magisterium. So, being that I do know

672
00:50:34,039 --> 00:50:36,360
Denzinger like the back of my hand, I would like

673
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:41,800
to direct you direct you to another section in Denzinger.

674
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And of course this is related to Vatican One. So

675
00:50:49,400 --> 00:51:07,440
let's scroll down here to sixteen eighty three. All right. Now,

676
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:11,360
So at the time of Vatican One, there were some

677
00:51:11,679 --> 00:51:17,079
interesting questions raised along the same lines, relating to not

678
00:51:17,199 --> 00:51:20,719
just bad disciplines, but other aspects of Roman Catholic dooma

679
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:25,760
like the Roman congregations, or the idea of jurisdiction, or

680
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:30,920
the idea of the Holy Office condemning people. Right, So,

681
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:33,599
In other words, there were arguments being made like, well,

682
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:38,199
I don't really have to agree to the condemnation of

683
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:41,119
a heretic from the Holy See or from the Holy Office,

684
00:51:41,639 --> 00:51:50,119
because that's just an exercise of discipline. So therefore, conceivably

685
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:55,519
could discipline be rejected. Well, we look at sixteen eighty

686
00:51:55,519 --> 00:51:58,840
three and it says it reads we persuade ourselves in

687
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the middle there we persuade ourselves also that they did

688
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:05,920
not wish to declare that that perfect adhesion to reveal

689
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:08,880
truths which they recognize is absolutely necessary to attain true

690
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:13,480
progress in the sciences into refute errors could be obtained

691
00:52:13,519 --> 00:52:16,159
if faith and obedience were given only to the dogmas

692
00:52:16,199 --> 00:52:19,519
expressly defined. This is the argument that I only have

693
00:52:19,559 --> 00:52:24,360
to adhere to something expressly defined. For even if we're

694
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:26,719
a matter of concerning that subjection which is to be

695
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:29,639
manifested by an act of divine faith, it would not

696
00:52:30,639 --> 00:52:32,960
have to be limited to those matters that have been

697
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:43,000
defined by express decrees of the councils or the rom

698
00:52:43,039 --> 00:52:45,960
upon defendency. What would have to be extended to the

699
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:49,280
matters handed down as if only revealed by the ordinary

700
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:53,880
teaching part of the church spread throughout the world, and

701
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:55,840
he says that this is false. Right, you don't have

702
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:59,840
to only adhere to dogmas. You have to hear a

703
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:03,519
to all of the decisions and decrees. And we know

704
00:53:03,599 --> 00:53:11,239
this because the next point sixteen ninety eight continues this argument,

705
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:20,239
because it explicitly states in sixteen ninety eight, judgment and

706
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:24,480
decrees cannot be doubted even when they are merely juridical.

707
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:27,639
So the judgments and decrees of the Roman see cannot

708
00:53:27,639 --> 00:53:34,880
be doubted even if it's something just juridical. There's also

709
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:45,079
seventeen ninety two the object of faith, by divine and

710
00:53:45,079 --> 00:53:47,519
Catholic faith, all those things that must be believed which

711
00:53:47,519 --> 00:53:49,320
are contained in the written Word of God in tradition,

712
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:51,199
and those things which are proposed by the Church, either

713
00:53:51,199 --> 00:53:55,480
of sall the Magisterium or by her universal ordinary teaching power,

714
00:53:55,519 --> 00:53:59,519
are to be believed as divinely revealed. So you see

715
00:53:59,559 --> 00:54:03,960
that you can not reject the universal ordinary stat Magisterium

716
00:54:04,039 --> 00:54:06,679
under the guise of saying that I will only follow

717
00:54:07,199 --> 00:54:13,440
the dogmas expressly defined by extraordinary Magisterium. It's explicitly rejected

718
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:17,440
there both attempts, and by the way, there are more.

719
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:19,880
If these are not good enough for you, but hopefully

720
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:22,039
these should be good enough to really kind of make

721
00:54:22,079 --> 00:54:30,159
the point right now. Next up, I would direct you

722
00:54:30,199 --> 00:54:35,400
to another issue that I'm not really trying to get

723
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:38,000
bogged down in drama because I don't really care about

724
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:40,440
this kind of stuff. However, it is worth noting that

725
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:46,440
the trad world is just as problematic as the world

726
00:54:46,559 --> 00:54:50,800
of the Nosorto that it claims to be superior to.

727
00:54:52,559 --> 00:54:57,079
And if you go to this church militant article, there

728
00:54:57,159 --> 00:54:59,199
is and this is I'm saying this is because this

729
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:01,360
relates to Taylor Marshall. Because if you go to this

730
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:07,360
Survivor Speaks, there's an entire documentary presentation here. Okay, this

731
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:14,239
video here, so be sure and go. I'm not gonna

732
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:16,400
play it because I don't want them to. I don't

733
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:20,480
trust any of these groups. They'll just try to copyright you.

734
00:55:20,599 --> 00:55:23,440
Ding you there. These these guys, these people are are

735
00:55:24,199 --> 00:55:26,880
something else to deal with. So if you go and

736
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:30,840
play the Spotlight clip, it will it will make this

737
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:39,119
point that I'm making about all of these different problems

738
00:55:39,119 --> 00:55:45,039
in the SSPX world. And one of their top quote

739
00:55:45,079 --> 00:55:50,719
canonists this what's his name? I forget that our gray,

740
00:55:50,519 --> 00:55:54,760
our gay or some Spanish name. What's the guy's name,

741
00:55:56,159 --> 00:56:00,360
father something, It's in this article and in this video,

742
00:56:02,119 --> 00:56:05,599
this guy is like, you know, in all this trouble

743
00:56:05,639 --> 00:56:08,639
over this and he ends up with a castle and

744
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:11,079
he ends up promoted. I'm not making this up to

745
00:56:11,159 --> 00:56:14,840
living in a castle. It's in this video. I'm not

746
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:19,599
gonna play the video. I don't remember the guy's name father,

747
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:28,400
somebody his Hispanic named guy, and now he lives in

748
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:32,519
a giant castle. You can't make this stuff up. Now,

749
00:56:32,559 --> 00:56:35,239
this is supposed to be, you know, the center of

750
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:40,199
trad world SSPX. I was looking for the picture of

751
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:44,559
the castle, but I can't find it anyway. You can

752
00:56:44,599 --> 00:56:48,360
go watch it in that video that I linked there. Now,

753
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:50,480
when I say this, it's not because I'm interested in

754
00:56:50,519 --> 00:56:54,920
supporting Michael Vories and Church Militant and the Gordon brothers

755
00:56:55,519 --> 00:57:02,599
and they're historyonics today. It's just to show you that

756
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:09,960
the trad world appears to be imploding and enveloping itself

757
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:21,039
in its own kind of implosion. So you've got Michael

758
00:57:21,119 --> 00:57:28,079
Voris and his crew going after SSPX crew and these people,

759
00:57:28,199 --> 00:57:30,960
and this I guess I'm told led to Taylor Marshall

760
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:36,440
blocking Gordon and all these characters or his former co

761
00:57:36,519 --> 00:57:46,079
host anyway, I don't know if I can share this,

762
00:57:51,119 --> 00:57:53,559
but really what my point in all this is just

763
00:57:53,559 --> 00:57:58,360
to say that it's not accidental that I've had to

764
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:02,519
one trad rip or in another Catholic guy reaching out

765
00:58:02,519 --> 00:58:05,119
this week saying, look this, I don't know how to

766
00:58:05,119 --> 00:58:08,239
deal with all this. I can't make sense of all this.

767
00:58:08,599 --> 00:58:14,559
And tomorrow, all right, you've got Francis is going to

768
00:58:14,719 --> 00:58:26,599
drop his new and cyclical and it's called for Telly Tutty.

769
00:58:27,199 --> 00:58:29,199
I'm not joking. I know that sounds kind of like

770
00:58:29,519 --> 00:58:36,440
the Fortelli's like goonies. Well, Francis's goons, his goonies are

771
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:39,719
going to drop for Telly two D. Francis is new

772
00:58:39,719 --> 00:58:42,920
and cyclical on human fraternity and solidarity. And what do

773
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:46,079
you think this is cyclical is based on. It's based

774
00:58:46,119 --> 00:58:50,480
on that humanist style meeting that he had with the

775
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:59,800
Imam's in where was it Abu Dhabi or somewhere, And

776
00:59:00,039 --> 00:59:01,800
I said this in Cyclical is going to be about

777
00:59:04,559 --> 00:59:12,840
the humanist gatherings, the Humanist Manifesto Council that Francis originally

778
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:26,800
had planned for this year until COVID happened right. So

779
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:29,239
part of the reason why people are kind of having

780
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:33,559
these issues is that they know what's coming. Okay, we

781
00:59:34,039 --> 00:59:38,920
will be looking forward to Francis's explication of Fratelli tutti

782
00:59:39,559 --> 00:59:42,119
and how we're all brothers and sisters in a free

783
00:59:42,159 --> 00:59:48,400
Masonic sense, even though we're not all brothers and sisters. Okay,

784
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:52,639
but I'm trying to figure out how to do this.

785
00:59:52,679 --> 00:59:54,480
So here, what we're going to look at is a

786
00:59:54,519 --> 01:00:01,920
couple of documents. So the first one is Francis here,

787
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:12,559
and I want you to be very clear. Here's what

788
01:00:12,599 --> 01:00:17,599
Francis says, so hopefully you can see this. Okay, here's Francis.

789
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:22,639
This is the sixty eighth address to the National Liturgical

790
01:00:22,639 --> 01:00:31,119
Week in Italy. We can affirm with certainty and with

791
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:41,360
magisterial authority, the Liturgical Reform is irreversible. Can you hear me?

792
01:00:42,159 --> 01:00:46,840
Do you hear that? I'm going to put it in

793
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:49,400
the chat for you so you can read it for yourself.

794
01:00:55,880 --> 01:01:00,920
We affirm, with certainty and with magisterial authority, Turgical Form

795
01:01:01,039 --> 01:01:07,559
Reform Vatican two is irreversible. Do you hear me? Can

796
01:01:07,639 --> 01:01:14,239
you be honest? What does it say? Okay, says that. Now,

797
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:24,920
let's look at oh man, I hate it. One does this.

798
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:28,119
This is John the twenty third. I'm not gonna read

799
01:01:28,119 --> 01:01:31,679
this whole thing. You're gonna have to go to Google

800
01:01:31,679 --> 01:01:35,679
Translate and you're gonna have to put it in there.

801
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:40,320
I'm gonna give you the quote or the link. Okay,

802
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:43,760
and you go to Google Translate. It's not that long.

803
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:49,559
Here it comes. This is the address at the opening

804
01:01:49,599 --> 01:01:53,800
of Vatican two. And when you read this, when you

805
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:55,800
put it in Google Translate, you can make it out. Fine,

806
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:59,039
it's not disputable what he means. He's very clear that

807
01:01:59,119 --> 01:02:04,679
this is an ecumenical council. It is called with the

808
01:02:04,719 --> 01:02:12,000
full authority, full power, full apostoric, apostolic universal sense. Right,

809
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:18,880
so there's the opening of the council, John the twenty

810
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:24,760
third his speech telling you it's dogmatic. There's Francis telling

811
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:31,920
you it's dogmatic. Now what about Paul the six. Oh,

812
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:35,719
you see he said that it's pastoral. So what there's

813
01:02:35,719 --> 01:02:39,400
nothing in Paul the six calling it pastoral that somehow

814
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:44,440
means that it's not protected by the terrorism or not dogmatic.

815
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:51,079
He says it defined no new dogmas. So what that's

816
01:02:51,119 --> 01:02:54,719
not the criteria for what makes something dogma in real Catholicism.

817
01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:58,639
So there in the link you'll see the speech of

818
01:02:58,679 --> 01:03:07,880
Paul the six nineteen seventy six, restating and explaining his

819
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:12,119
comment of it being a pastoral council and laughing and

820
01:03:12,159 --> 01:03:14,559
making fun of the people who act like it means

821
01:03:14,599 --> 01:03:21,119
that you don't have to accept it. I mean, come on, guys,

822
01:03:23,519 --> 01:03:27,599
so this alone, right, here's three clear testaments from the

823
01:03:27,639 --> 01:03:36,519
popes that you have to accept Vatican two, and it's

824
01:03:36,719 --> 01:03:40,800
thus a tread myth that you don't have to accept it.

825
01:03:43,519 --> 01:03:45,800
I think what I'm gonna do is do a separate

826
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:50,000
stream for this book. And actually I may just cut

827
01:03:50,039 --> 01:03:54,280
it short and just do this. Was it infallible?

828
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:54,559
Speaker 1: Right?

829
01:03:54,639 --> 01:03:57,079
Speaker 2: So I'm going to do a separate stream about Vatican

830
01:03:57,079 --> 01:03:59,199
two and the documents. I'm gonna do a different stream.

831
01:03:59,199 --> 01:04:01,039
It wouldn't make sense to final least because I want

832
01:04:01,039 --> 01:04:05,599
this to be a clear, like precise video just on

833
01:04:05,639 --> 01:04:07,920
that topic that way, and plus a lot more people

834
01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:10,280
will watch it too if I cut it at this

835
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:13,360
and come back later and do a different one, because

836
01:04:13,719 --> 01:04:16,159
the longer this goes, the less people are gonna watch it.

837
01:04:16,199 --> 01:04:18,880
But there so I've given you the three documents they're

838
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:21,239
in the links. If you're watching this a year from now,

839
01:04:22,119 --> 01:04:25,119
if it's we're still here, hopefully you can pull up

840
01:04:25,159 --> 01:04:28,360
those links and you've got three testaments. John the twenty third,

841
01:04:28,719 --> 01:04:33,079
Paul the sixth, Hope France is telling you the Vatican

842
01:04:33,079 --> 01:04:36,280
two has to be accepted. Vatican two opens with the

843
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:41,559
full papal authority. The documents close with full papal authority.

844
01:04:41,679 --> 01:04:44,000
It's a trad myth that you don't have to accept

845
01:04:44,079 --> 01:04:49,840
Vatican two. If an SSPX person comes back into communion

846
01:04:50,239 --> 01:04:56,639
like the FSSP, they're made to accept Vatican two. And

847
01:04:56,920 --> 01:05:02,159
to deny this would be to deny the Universal Magisterial

848
01:05:02,159 --> 01:05:05,679
Teaching authority. It would be to say that Rome has

849
01:05:05,719 --> 01:05:13,159
for sixty plus years enforced heresy, bad doctrines and rights,

850
01:05:13,159 --> 01:05:16,920
and bad disciplines, which is condemned, which is the denial

851
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:23,960
of the terrorism. So there you go, so that there's

852
01:05:24,119 --> 01:05:26,679
really not much to debate about this. Now. I was

853
01:05:26,719 --> 01:05:29,280
gonna read it, but the problem is that it's Google translates,

854
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:31,159
so I'll have to scroll down, and when you scroll down,

855
01:05:31,199 --> 01:05:33,920
it jumbles up the text, so you'll have to go

856
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:37,239
read the actual three documents that I placed into the text.

857
01:05:37,239 --> 01:05:39,519
I'll put the three documents also in the show description

858
01:05:39,599 --> 01:05:42,119
as well. But there you go. So there we have

859
01:05:42,239 --> 01:05:46,920
the pretty clear presentation that you cannot reject the magisterial teaching,

860
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:52,000
whether ordinary or extraordinary. Primal Edge says, for fifty dollars,

861
01:05:54,239 --> 01:05:57,559
an entire community in Ecuador, ninety people just became Orthodox.

862
01:05:57,639 --> 01:06:05,599
Awesome Roman Catholic priest. No bishop is becoming an Orthodox priest. Wow,

863
01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:08,519
praise God for that, and thank you Tristan for that money.

864
01:06:08,599 --> 01:06:16,039
Much appreciated Orthodox one hundred dollars. Do all Protestants have visions? No?

865
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:22,679
Are they from Christ or mockery? I mean, I would

866
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:25,559
say in theory, it is possible for Jesus to appear

867
01:06:25,599 --> 01:06:27,519
to a Protestant. Sure God can do whatever he wants

868
01:06:27,559 --> 01:06:29,639
to do. He hears the prayers of Cornelius, so sure

869
01:06:29,679 --> 01:06:32,880
he could do whatever he wants to. But you know,

870
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:35,400
that kind of a manifestation is not going to produce

871
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:37,719
you know, pre list, it's not going to produce these

872
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:45,039
kinds of self appointed prophet type things. I think this

873
01:06:45,239 --> 01:06:56,840
light is drumming, It's like drum my mind crazy. So

874
01:06:57,000 --> 01:07:01,159
outside the church, we don't speculate on you know, where

875
01:07:01,159 --> 01:07:04,599
those those visions come from, so we just try to

876
01:07:04,679 --> 01:07:09,480
keep it consistent with what we know Revelation says, right,

877
01:07:09,519 --> 01:07:13,320
So we're not going to speculate about like whose visions

878
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:14,599
outside the church are coming from?

879
01:07:14,599 --> 01:07:14,960
Speaker 1: Where?

880
01:07:19,679 --> 01:07:29,079
Speaker 2: What's the best book to give a trad Probably this one,

881
01:07:29,119 --> 01:07:31,199
I would say, if you're new to Orthodoxy and you

882
01:07:31,199 --> 01:07:35,639
want introduction to our different theology, I would say read

883
01:07:35,679 --> 01:07:38,320
this if you're If it's a trad who's pretty well

884
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:45,559
versed in philosophy, this one, and by extension to you

885
01:07:45,559 --> 01:07:55,320
could do pelicons, metamorphosis. Those are all good. But I'm

886
01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:57,840
going to do another stream on the other stuff. But

887
01:07:57,840 --> 01:07:59,800
I'm want to cut this one short because i want

888
01:08:00,239 --> 01:08:08,079
this to be more accessible. Jire Bear ten dollars. I

889
01:08:08,119 --> 01:08:11,920
would say, go watch Craig's debate and talk on immaculate conception.

890
01:08:12,119 --> 01:08:14,960
Craigs are really good on that. But anyway, I'll talk

891
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:16,439
to you guys later. I'm gonna have to go do

892
01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:18,680
some other things. This stream is going to be have

893
01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:22,239
to cut short. There was other things that I thought

894
01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:24,279
I wasn't gonna have to do tonight, but I'm gonna

895
01:08:24,279 --> 01:08:25,920
have to go do that. So I'll talk to you

896
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:29,079
guys later. And God bless. Hopefully this is clear with

897
01:08:29,199 --> 01:08:31,600
three key examples. They'll also be in the show description.