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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Here's to Your Health with Joshua Lane. Here's

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<v Speaker 1>to Your Health discusses the current thinking and wellness, bringing

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<v Speaker 1>you the most influential thinkers in beauty, fitness, and longevity.

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<v Speaker 1>Your host, Joshua Lane, was part of the Doctor and

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<v Speaker 1>Wigmore team that helped bring wheat, grass sprouts and raw

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<v Speaker 1>foods to a worldwide audience and now the host of

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<v Speaker 1>Here's to Your Health. Joshua Lane.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to this edition of Here's to Your Health. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>your host, josh Lane. My guest is Becky E. McClain.

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<v Speaker 2>Becky is the author of a book Exposed. A phozo

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<v Speaker 2>scientist battles corruption, lies and betrayal and becomes a biohazard whistleblower.

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<v Speaker 2>The book Exposed by Becky McLain has a forward by

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<v Speaker 2>Ralph Nader and is published by Skyhorse Publishing. And Becky

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<v Speaker 2>McClain has been a guest many times on the show,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're trying to continue with what occurred, what Becky

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<v Speaker 2>McClain was exposed to when she worked at Pfiser in

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<v Speaker 2>that Connecticut laboratory, major laboratory, major center, and how that

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<v Speaker 2>was handled and what it means for us as the

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<v Speaker 2>American people. Becky McClain, welcome to the show.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, Joshua. I really appreciate the invite back to

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<v Speaker 3>return and discuss my book a little bit further. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So, now, for those who have not heard some

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<v Speaker 2>of the earlier interviews you've given on the show, you

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<v Speaker 2>were a research scientist at Pfiser in a senior position,

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<v Speaker 2>working in their Connecticut laboratory or the Connecticut campus, and

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<v Speaker 2>you were harassed because, as you state, your working editions

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<v Speaker 2>were unsafe. You as I use the word as an employee,

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<v Speaker 2>as a scientist at this at the Pfizer center, were

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<v Speaker 2>not in a safe position. You were in a very

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<v Speaker 2>unsafe position, and dangerous chemicals and dangerous pathoogens what you

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<v Speaker 2>were exposed to at your workstation, and really nothing was

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<v Speaker 2>done about that and you suffered unfortunately many serious health problems.

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<v Speaker 2>But again I will say this by way of historical perspective,

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<v Speaker 2>that because of what you had to suffer, you became

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<v Speaker 2>the first whistleblower to be awarded a judgment against Pfizer

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty ten in a federal court. So really you

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<v Speaker 2>were vindicated in the criminal justice system, and that while

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<v Speaker 2>you did a lot of suffering that gives you a

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<v Speaker 2>certain stature that no one else has.

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<v Speaker 3>That's true. I am the first successful biotech whistleblower in

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<v Speaker 3>the United States, and I think in the world, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't think there's any other story like mine about biosafety,

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<v Speaker 3>how it impacts the public, how it impacts workers' rights.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a very very important book. I know we have

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<v Speaker 3>perhaps fifty minutes or so to discuss it, but I

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<v Speaker 3>want to really encourage people to read the book because

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<v Speaker 3>retaliation is a very complex environment and situation, and to

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<v Speaker 3>really to understand how it impacts the public and the

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<v Speaker 3>lack of free speech, the lack of whistleblower rights, lack

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<v Speaker 3>of workers rights, how it can really be dangerous to

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<v Speaker 3>the public self. And I think people will find the

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<v Speaker 3>story very intriguing, and I hope people pick up the

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<v Speaker 3>book and read it.

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<v Speaker 2>Our guest is Becky McLain. Becky McLain, bioscientist, author of

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<v Speaker 2>the book Exposed a Pfizer scientist battles corruption, lies and

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<v Speaker 2>betrayal and Because a biohazard whistleblower Forward by Ralph Nader.

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<v Speaker 2>Ralph Nader, a man with an excellent track record in

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<v Speaker 2>consumer affairs and safety. Ralph Nader and the book is

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<v Speaker 2>published by Scars Publishing. So, Becky, we've chatted, we've spoke,

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<v Speaker 2>you've spoken before to my radio audience. And you were

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<v Speaker 2>at the Grotton, Connecticut campus of Pfiser. And Pfeiser is,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, I guess everyone kind of knows it now,

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<v Speaker 2>the largest pharmaceutical company in.

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<v Speaker 4>The world, that's correct.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so they have enormous clout. They are not to

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<v Speaker 2>be taken lightly. Now, you were working at the grotten lab.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to mention this. So your workstation was in

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<v Speaker 2>an area that was not protected properly. Others were actually

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<v Speaker 2>using that station and they were doing experiments there which

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<v Speaker 2>were dangerous you know it now, and and you complained

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<v Speaker 2>about it. You reported it, and you were largely told

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<v Speaker 2>by a superior Okay, fine, we're dealing with we're dealing

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<v Speaker 2>with it. But really you were not. So now here's

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<v Speaker 2>a word that I I'm not familiar with. It's called lentivirus.

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<v Speaker 2>So what exactly was lenta virus? And how were you,

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<v Speaker 2>as a major scientist at Pfizer, a major corporation, how

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<v Speaker 2>was it that your workstation was completely unprotected not only

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<v Speaker 2>for you but for all the other scientists in your division.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, well, as I'm a I'm a veteran molecular biologist.

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<v Speaker 3>When I started working at Pfiser in the embryonic stem

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<v Speaker 3>cell lab, I had seventeen years of working experience in

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<v Speaker 3>academia in international labs, so I was very skilled molecular

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<v Speaker 3>biologist and I understood the safety parameters around my work

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<v Speaker 3>and the responsibilities to do that. Now. A lent of

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<v Speaker 3>virus is a virus of many species. The lent of

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<v Speaker 3>virus that can infect humans is the HIV lent virus

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<v Speaker 3>that costs aids. Different viruses are used in molecular biology

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<v Speaker 3>to as vectors to introduce components into cells during an experiment,

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<v Speaker 3>so that's why we use viruses in the lab. Of course,

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<v Speaker 3>they can be very dangerous and their safety protocols that

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<v Speaker 3>must be used when you're using these. One of the

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<v Speaker 3>most important things is to do a risk assessment, and

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<v Speaker 3>unfortunately private industry is not mandated to do a RISKSK assessment. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>risk assessment would be if I'm going to use a

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<v Speaker 3>liner virus Candida affect humans, some plenti viruses can't, some

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<v Speaker 3>can only infect cats or whatever. So when you do

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<v Speaker 3>a risk assessment, you must look at all parameters. Candida

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<v Speaker 3>infect humans. Once it infects, can it incorporate into chromosomes,

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<v Speaker 3>if it incorporates, or if it doesn't incorporate, doesn't have

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<v Speaker 3>other genetically engineered vectors or technologies in it that can

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<v Speaker 3>can cause harm. So unfortunately, private industry is not mandated

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<v Speaker 3>to do risk assessments like academia. So that's the first

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<v Speaker 3>problem about biosafety in private labs. Now, when you when

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<v Speaker 3>we do molecular biology, you usually have your own private

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<v Speaker 3>bench because it can be dangerous and you don't want

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<v Speaker 3>other people working on your private bench because then you

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<v Speaker 3>would know what they've worked on. And these agents are invisible, right,

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<v Speaker 3>They're invisible, So you want your own private bench. In addition,

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<v Speaker 3>usually next to your bench you have some sort of

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<v Speaker 3>workstation you can take notes or something like that. But

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<v Speaker 3>in general, if you're working with viruses or you're working

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<v Speaker 3>in a dangerous with dangerous technologies, you're off a space

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<v Speaker 3>should be separated from your laboratory space. In addition, your

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<v Speaker 3>breakroom should be separated from your work space. And at

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<v Speaker 3>Pfizer two, those two protections were not provided in this laboratory.

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<v Speaker 3>We were working in an embryonic stem cell laboratory, which

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<v Speaker 3>develops highly advanced technologies. So what happened. It's difficult because

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<v Speaker 3>this is the middle of the story. When I was

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<v Speaker 3>exposed to the lintavirus. Prior to my exposure, which made

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<v Speaker 3>me very, very sick, I had already raised multiple safety

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<v Speaker 3>issues in the laboratory, not having a safe breakroom, people

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<v Speaker 3>were finding test tubes in their drinks. If you can

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<v Speaker 3>believe it, that's how bad it was, and adviser basically

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<v Speaker 3>ignored it. Ignored these safety issues, they ridiculed people that

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<v Speaker 3>brought them up, and then they employed a culture of

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<v Speaker 3>fear of anybody that spoke about biosafety in the lab. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>these biosafety issues are not just issues of work safety,

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<v Speaker 3>but also public safety. If a worker gets exposed to

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<v Speaker 3>one of these issues one of these vectors or technologies,

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<v Speaker 3>they could go home and perhaps expose a family or

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<v Speaker 3>exposed if it is contagious. So there's important reasons why

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<v Speaker 3>we have biosafety parameters and private industry doesn't have the

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<v Speaker 3>same type of regulations as academia and other laboratories.

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<v Speaker 2>Our guest is Becky McLain. Becky McLain a research scientist

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<v Speaker 2>at Pfizer. Author exposed a Peiser scientist battles corruption, lies

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<v Speaker 2>and betrayal and becomes a biohazard whistleblower, a book published

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<v Speaker 2>by Scars Publishing, with the forward by Ralph Nader. So, Becky,

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<v Speaker 2>you were not the only scientist in your group to complain.

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<v Speaker 2>Didn't all the other scientists complain as well?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, there there were multiple sists. We had documentations of people,

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<v Speaker 3>different scientists raising these safety complaints and they were ignored.

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<v Speaker 3>And I was told that Pfizer bases their safety policy

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<v Speaker 3>on what is legal and not necessarily what is safe,

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<v Speaker 3>which was shocking to me because, as you know, biotechnology

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<v Speaker 3>advances probably faster than regulations can be placed on an industry.

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<v Speaker 3>So as a responsible scientist, as a responsible corporation that

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<v Speaker 3>is using these type of technologies, there's a certain ethics

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<v Speaker 3>involved with using them. And when the corporation has become

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<v Speaker 3>so wealthy and so powerful that they don't care about

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<v Speaker 3>public health and they don't care about biosafety because they

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<v Speaker 3>have the legal power to crush and sign silence any whistleblower,

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<v Speaker 3>as I was, then that's a major public health and

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<v Speaker 3>safety issue.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, I completely agree. Our guest is Becky A McClain,

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<v Speaker 2>author of Exposed, A Phiser scientist battles corruption, lies and

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<v Speaker 2>betrayal and becomes a biohazard whistleblower. Becky, when you first

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<v Speaker 2>began working for fires that you were recruited, I guess

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<v Speaker 2>from academia you were a healthy, forty year old successful scientist.

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<v Speaker 2>May ask what are the symptoms that you developed after

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<v Speaker 2>your exposure at the Pfiser laboratory in Gratton.

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<v Speaker 3>Before I was exposed to the genetically engineered lentavirus, retaliation

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<v Speaker 3>against me was hardcore hostility, low performance reviews, isolation. So

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<v Speaker 3>let's put that in perspective. EXPO happened during in the

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<v Speaker 3>midst of this retaliation, and what happened was that they

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<v Speaker 3>used a lent of virus that could infect humans on

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<v Speaker 3>an open labs bench without biocontainment. Usually most all lenter

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<v Speaker 3>viruses or genetically engineered viruses are used within a laminar

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<v Speaker 3>flow biocontainment hood. My supervisor and his aid use the

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<v Speaker 3>lent of virus on my personal workbench without telling me,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's when my exposure occurred. What happened initially, and

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<v Speaker 3>if you know about lent of viruses, lentaviruses HIV. Lent

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<v Speaker 3>virus causes a's and it's a slow progression of illness.

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<v Speaker 3>Usually if someone gets AIDS now the lent of virus

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<v Speaker 3>I was exposed to. They took the AIDS disease genes

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<v Speaker 3>out and they put other technologies in it because it

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<v Speaker 3>uses a vector as I told you to infect cells

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<v Speaker 3>in the lab, because it's a highly efficient vector to infect.

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<v Speaker 3>So within thirty hours after the exposure, my left side

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<v Speaker 3>of my face went numb and I did not I

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<v Speaker 3>knew I had been exposed, but they basically told me

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<v Speaker 3>that it was not a human infectious agent they were

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<v Speaker 3>working with. Later on I found out they had lied,

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<v Speaker 3>so I didn't think anything of it. I thought, well,

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<v Speaker 3>I must be sick or something was going on. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>it started with numbness in my face. Then I started

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<v Speaker 3>having lower left pain jaw, intense lower left pain jaw,

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<v Speaker 3>and then my gums on that side started bleeding, and

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<v Speaker 3>then I started getting a flu like symptom systemic illness.

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<v Speaker 3>This is months going on now and I'm having brain fog.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm very ill. I feel like I have the flu

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<v Speaker 3>all the time. I have chronic fatigue, and then I

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<v Speaker 3>get headaches for like eight days that will not stop,

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<v Speaker 3>no aspirin, no tile knolls stopping the headaches, and it

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<v Speaker 3>eventually moves down my spine. Pain moves down my spine,

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<v Speaker 3>and I fall into a condition called periodic paralysis, where

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<v Speaker 3>it's a full body paralysis for up to an hour.

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<v Speaker 3>why this is happening. But in the beginning I didn't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't know until finally I was on medical even

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<v Speaker 3>a doctor said you have some sort of post viral syndrome,

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<v Speaker 3>and I said, post viral syndrome. I haven't been exposed

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<v Speaker 3>to a virus. And then it clicked when this exposure

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<v Speaker 3>happened when they left this messy experiment all over my

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<v Speaker 3>bench with all over the bench had contaminated my private

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<v Speaker 3>have personal protection. So that was the beginning. It was

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<v Speaker 3>how to get medical care for it, because it was

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<v Speaker 3>a very severe, dangerous illness and painful. It really impacted

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<v Speaker 3>my life for a long, long, long long time.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, okay. Our guest is Becky McLain. Becky McClain, the

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<v Speaker 2>research scientist, author of Exposed, a Pfiser scientist battles corruption,

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<v Speaker 2>lies and betrayal and becomes a biohazard whistleblower. Forward by

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<v Speaker 2>Ralph Nader, published by Skyrs Publishing. Now, Becky, this sounds

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<v Speaker 2>very upsetting, and it also sounds to me like not

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<v Speaker 2>the typical thing people get. So you probably thought, what's

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<v Speaker 2>wrong with me? And when you went to the various physicians,

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<v Speaker 2>did anyone have a sense of it at all?

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<v Speaker 3>Well. One of the problems with being exposed to a

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<v Speaker 3>illness Because they're genetically engineered, they have technologies in there

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<v Speaker 3>that's never been they're not natural. Scientists put these technologies

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<v Speaker 3>inside a virus so they can ask a question during

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<v Speaker 3>an experiment. They're not supposed to be exposed to humans.

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<v Speaker 3>So when I went to the doctor, every doctor said,

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<v Speaker 3>I've never seen anything like this before. Now, I did

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<v Speaker 3>have a condition almost comparable to something called periodic paralysis,

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<v Speaker 3>which is a genetic illness. I did not have any

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<v Speaker 3>this illness in my family. I was tested. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>have the genes for a genetic illness, and my illness

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<v Speaker 3>was a little bit different. It also was very painful.

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<v Speaker 3>Most people with periodic paralysis don't have the pain syndrome

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<v Speaker 3>I had, with the spinal pain and the muscle ache

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<v Speaker 3>and things like that. I'm sorry, So what was the

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry? What was no?

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<v Speaker 2>The question was, you are a trained scientist, healthy woman,

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<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden your body is completely uncooperative. And

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<v Speaker 2>it's not as though you, you know, stubbed your toe.

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<v Speaker 2>You thought, oh, I stubbed my toe or I broke

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<v Speaker 2>my arm. No, it's nothing like that, you say, it's

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<v Speaker 2>something that no one has any idea what's going on.

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<v Speaker 2>So that must have been very upsetting.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it was very difficult. You go to the doctor

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<v Speaker 3>you have a very serious illness. I was hospitalized. I

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<v Speaker 3>was many ambulance rides. I can't even count how many

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<v Speaker 3>ambulance rise I had. And I was completely completely healthy.

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<v Speaker 3>I've been an athlete all my life and this was

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<v Speaker 3>the first time I ever had any major illness happen

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<v Speaker 3>to me. So it was a struggle of trying to

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<v Speaker 3>find out what is going on and the clue. Thank god,

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<v Speaker 3>that one doctor tested my blood and found compliment that

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<v Speaker 3>indicated I had been exposed to a virus. And that's

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<v Speaker 3>when I went to Pfizer started writing to them and

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<v Speaker 3>asking them, can you please give me the records now

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<v Speaker 3>of what this experiment was all about? Because I was

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<v Speaker 3>told it was safe, but now I have this illness

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<v Speaker 3>after this exposure, and I want to know exactly what

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<v Speaker 3>it was about. And that's when Piso said, I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 3>trade secret supersedes You're right and we aren't giving you

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<v Speaker 3>any information.

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<v Speaker 5>Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So this is the character the book. If people

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<v Speaker 3>read the book, they're going to be very surprised about

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<v Speaker 3>the character of the biotech industry, about their willingness to

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<v Speaker 3>protect workers and their willingness to protect public health and safety.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's going to be a eye opener for

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<v Speaker 3>the public for.

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<v Speaker 2>Those just tuning into the show. Our guest is Becky maclain.

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<v Speaker 2>Becky McClain, author of Exposed. Becky was a form of

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<v Speaker 2>Pfiser scientist. I'll read the blurb to you. Exposed by

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<v Speaker 2>Becky maclain, a Preiser scientist battles corruption, lies and betrayal

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<v Speaker 2>and becomes a biohazard whistleblower published by Skyros Publishing and

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<v Speaker 2>The Forwarders by Ralph Nader Becky. So I read in

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<v Speaker 2>the book in your book exposed that at one point

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<v Speaker 2>you thought, when you had terrible pain in your jaw,

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<v Speaker 2>you thought, oh, well, I had a root canal. I

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<v Speaker 2>want a dentist to check it out and to redo

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<v Speaker 2>the root canal. And your dentist said, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>there's nothing wrong with the root canal. You said, no,

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<v Speaker 2>redo it anyway, and you redid the root canal and

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<v Speaker 2>it didn't didn't affect, didn't make it better for second?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that right? No?

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<v Speaker 3>No, I thought maybe that was the problem when I

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<v Speaker 3>was having such horrible jaw pain. And no, it didn't help.

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<v Speaker 3>It all on me. That's how desperate I was. Can

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<v Speaker 3>you mean begging for a root canal when I already

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<v Speaker 3>had a root canal? But I had to. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>it was it was a very painful syndrome. And uh,

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<v Speaker 3>my assumption is that somehow I must have touched the

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<v Speaker 3>lab bench and put my finger in my mouth and

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<v Speaker 3>it infected into my jaw through my trigeneral nerve, went

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<v Speaker 3>up into my brain and that's why I started having,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, spinal pain. I've had a major impacts also

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<v Speaker 3>with my memory. You know, I'm not as not as

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<v Speaker 3>sharp as I was since that exposure. It impact, It

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<v Speaker 3>impacted me quite quite quite a lot. Eventually I did

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<v Speaker 3>get a description of the virus that I was exposed to.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it's explained in the book. It took a

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<v Speaker 3>long time to get a description. So when they exposed me,

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<v Speaker 3>they said it was safe, and I just assumed that

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<v Speaker 3>they were telling you the truth. When I did get

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<v Speaker 3>the description, it was an HIV derived LINTO virus. That

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<v Speaker 3>means it was an HIV virus that they took and

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<v Speaker 3>they genetically engineered, took the the age genes out, but

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<v Speaker 3>put other technologies in. One of the technologies they put

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<v Speaker 3>in was an sh RNA technology, which I was very

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<v Speaker 3>familiar with because I was also developing those technologies in

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<v Speaker 3>other vectors, not infectious vectors, but other vectors, so I

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<v Speaker 3>knew I understood the technologies. An s HRNA is I'm

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<v Speaker 3>going to provide a meta metaphor because I can't boggle

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<v Speaker 3>people down with scientific you know, words and things. But

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<v Speaker 3>shRNA acts like a genetic missile in the cell, it's

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<v Speaker 3>cloned into a virus. Once the virus is inside the cell,

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<v Speaker 3>it shoots off these missiles. And these missiles are programmed

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<v Speaker 3>specifically to destroy messenger RNA in your cell. And we

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<v Speaker 3>do this again in the lab for experimental purposes. For example,

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<v Speaker 3>of you want a disease state model, you can put

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<v Speaker 3>an s hr NA in the cell to make a

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<v Speaker 3>cell sick, and then you have a defined sick cell.

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<v Speaker 3>So we're not making these these technologies just for the

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<v Speaker 3>heck of it. So that's all the only information I had.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a genetic missile in this lintavirus, and you're exposed

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<v Speaker 3>to a human infectious agent. And then it was a

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<v Speaker 3>struggle to get any more information because the government ruled

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<v Speaker 3>that trades also ruled in Visor's favor, that trade secrets

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<v Speaker 3>superseded my right to get that information for my healthcare.

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<v Speaker 3>Can you imagine it's still amazing to me that both

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<v Speaker 3>private industry and the government ruled that trade secrets supersedes

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<v Speaker 3>a worker's right to get exposure records of what you're

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<v Speaker 3>exposed to for their healthcare. Now I did this. I

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<v Speaker 3>didn't expose myself. Someone exposed me, right, and the people

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<v Speaker 3>that exposed me were part of the retaliation, involved in

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<v Speaker 3>this lengthy retaliation, so it was even worse.

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<v Speaker 2>We're chatting with Becky McLain. Becky McLain, the research scientist

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<v Speaker 2>at Pfizer who wrote a book called Exposed. And Becky

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<v Speaker 2>was a research scientist at Pfiser in their grotten Connecticut

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<v Speaker 2>campus and she battled corruption, lies and betrayal and becomes

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<v Speaker 2>a biohazard whistleblower. And having just heard what she has

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<v Speaker 2>gone through in a physical health series of events that

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<v Speaker 2>went on for many years, I want to jump in

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<v Speaker 2>and just say ask you, Becky. So you went, You

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<v Speaker 2>eventually had to go to court against Pfizer and you

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<v Speaker 2>won in twoenty ten. You actually won the lawsuit in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty ten. So that gives the listeners of his history

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<v Speaker 2>health and understanding of how long ago this was and

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<v Speaker 2>what you managed to accomplish really on your own. Ohsha

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't helping you. You know, you were there and you

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<v Speaker 2>were sick, and you were on your own. So could

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<v Speaker 2>you please tell us what happened in twenty ten in

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<v Speaker 2>the courtroom.

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<v Speaker 3>I had no right, according to the judge, to bring

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<v Speaker 3>up my illness in front of the jury, even though

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<v Speaker 3>the exposure could have been part of the retaliation, and

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<v Speaker 3>it was also part of the biosafety issues that we

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<v Speaker 3>were very concerned about about not bio containing genetically engineered

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<v Speaker 3>viruses Correctly, we found someone found a genetically engineered virus

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<v Speaker 3>where we eat and drink, someone had left a genetically virus.

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<v Speaker 3>That's how bad the biosafety was and unbelievably ignoring it.

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<v Speaker 3>So we brought counts of free speed and whistleblowing claim

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<v Speaker 3>to claims of that, and then we also brought a

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<v Speaker 3>claim called the Sworez account. But the judge through the

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<v Speaker 3>swore As legal account out claiming that workers compensation could

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<v Speaker 3>only deal with my illness, which is a big joke

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<v Speaker 3>because the worker's compensation demands a high level of evidence

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<v Speaker 3>to win in workers comp and then you don't get

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<v Speaker 3>really that good of a compensation anyway. So many workers

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<v Speaker 3>that are being exposed and become an ill or have

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<v Speaker 3>a disease, it's impossible to really prove it, especially if

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<v Speaker 3>the company is denying you exposure records to prove that

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<v Speaker 3>you've been exposed to this agent, and then it causes

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<v Speaker 3>a new disease, and then it's the difficulty for physicians

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<v Speaker 3>that don't really understand what's going on, because most physicians

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<v Speaker 3>don't even understand molecular biology, let's alone a new emerging

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<v Speaker 3>illness caused by them right now. So the judge through

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<v Speaker 3>the Suarez count out, and that count is for willful

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<v Speaker 3>and reckless and malicious behavior, and she threw that out.

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<v Speaker 3>So the jury didn't hear any of how I got sick,

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<v Speaker 3>how I was exposed. They only heard about the safety

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<v Speaker 3>issues in the lab. And I did win on that,

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<v Speaker 3>which is great. I mean, just to get in front

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<v Speaker 3>of a jury as a whistleblower. As you read the book,

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<v Speaker 3>you're going to all these obstacles against workers. Most of

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<v Speaker 3>them are gagged with an NDA, A non disclosure non

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<v Speaker 3>disclosure agreement. Is that the right word I'm trying to use. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't sign one. That's why Fizer came after me

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<v Speaker 3>so badly. They wanted me silenced. And I had already

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<v Speaker 3>met other injured workers who were so afraid to talk

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<v Speaker 3>because they had signed one of these agreements. So I

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<v Speaker 3>did not sign. We went into battle. I finally got

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<v Speaker 3>in front of a jury, and that was like a miracle,

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<v Speaker 3>just because of the legal obstacles put in place, against workers,

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<v Speaker 3>so the public can't hear what's going on. They don't

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<v Speaker 3>want the public to understand the dangers in biotechnology that's

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<v Speaker 3>going on in biotechnology, the lack of free speech, and

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<v Speaker 3>the lack of workers' rights. So yes, I won in

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<v Speaker 3>twenty ten, and Pfizer appealed, and I finally was paid

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<v Speaker 3>one point three million dollars in twenty and thirteen. Now

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<v Speaker 3>I want the listeners to realize that's ten years after

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<v Speaker 3>my exposure. I can't work, I'm sick, I've lost income,

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<v Speaker 3>all my income, I'd lost my career, and the obstacles

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<v Speaker 3>of just trying to find the money, find the energy

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<v Speaker 3>an attorney. So it's really a miracle. I was able

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<v Speaker 3>to get in front of a jury, thank God for

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<v Speaker 3>my attorneys, and to win this case. And that's why

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<v Speaker 3>it's very important regarding publishing the book, because it does

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<v Speaker 3>give me some credibility. Although there are many, many, many

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<v Speaker 3>whistleblowers that didn't have the opportunity to get in front

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<v Speaker 3>of a jury, and they've suffered consequences like me. But

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<v Speaker 3>my book is an example of what's occurring and why

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<v Speaker 3>you don't see that many or hear about injured workers

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<v Speaker 3>in the biotech arena is because everything's gagged non disclosure agreements,

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<v Speaker 3>and just to get in front of a jury is tough.

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<v Speaker 3>I won one point three million dollars because that was

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<v Speaker 3>my salary for ten years. While advisor retaliated against me,

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<v Speaker 3>I was not paid for the loss of my career.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't get a penny for the injury that they

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<v Speaker 3>caused me, and I didn't get directed medical care. And

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<v Speaker 3>workers comp also claimed that trade secrets superseded my right

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<v Speaker 3>to get the exposure records so I could even get

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<v Speaker 3>medical care. That's how bad workers compensation is. We really

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<v Speaker 3>need a lot of changes in this industry and regarding

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<v Speaker 3>free speech and workers' rights.

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<v Speaker 2>Our guest is Becky McLain. Those of you listening to

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<v Speaker 2>the show realized how powerful and really terrifying this information is.

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<v Speaker 2>That Becky McLain had the experience was forced to her

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<v Speaker 2>book is Exposed, published by Skylar was publishing forward by

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<v Speaker 2>Ralph Nader. Again the book is Exposed now, Becky. Also

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<v Speaker 2>in the book, you mentioned that the judge who you

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<v Speaker 2>had listening to the case, did she have a conflict

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<v Speaker 2>of interest?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, she did have a conflict that interest and.

435
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<v Speaker 2>What was that conflict of interest.

436
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<v Speaker 3>The conflict of interest was that her husband worked with

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<v Speaker 3>Pfizer and worked with other institutes to invest one hundred

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<v Speaker 3>million dollars in embry human embryonic stem cells. As you

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<v Speaker 3>can remember in or I don't know if you remember,

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<v Speaker 3>but around two thousand and five two thousand, there was

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<v Speaker 3>a big parade of human embryonic stem cells. We need

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00:31:31.119 --> 00:31:34.359
<v Speaker 3>to work with these, which means you have to work

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<v Speaker 3>with the human embryo and they were promoting this because

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<v Speaker 3>they were going to be miracle cures, make people walk again.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, you were going to cure Parkinson's. We're going

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<v Speaker 3>to do it. As an embryonic stem cell scientist, I

447
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<v Speaker 3>knew these were just complete lies. But tons of money

448
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<v Speaker 3>was being poured in California, put in billions of dollars.

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<v Speaker 3>In Connecticut, where this story was happening, they believe it

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<v Speaker 3>was one hundred million dollars was taken out of the

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<v Speaker 3>public funds to support this human embryonic stem cell initiative.

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<v Speaker 3>And they didn't Connecticut didn't want my story coming out

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<v Speaker 3>because then the public would be in an uproar that

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<v Speaker 3>you want to do human embryonic stem cell technologies, but

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<v Speaker 3>you don't want to keep your workers safe. You don't

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<v Speaker 3>want to keep the public safe from these technologies. So

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<v Speaker 3>I also just to explain these technologies they they might

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<v Speaker 3>or they might might not or might could cause an

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<v Speaker 3>epidemic or a pandemic. But usually in BL two labs,

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<v Speaker 3>which is a lab I worked in, usually it would

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<v Speaker 3>take some time to become contagious because we do have

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<v Speaker 3>some different vectors that hopefully won't become a pandemic, but

463
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<v Speaker 3>it could possibly so. But what they can cause, it

464
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<v Speaker 3>can cause metabolic disorders upon a community. If it's released,

465
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<v Speaker 3>it can cause cancer all a new emerging disease. So

466
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<v Speaker 3>I just want the public to be aware it's not

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<v Speaker 3>only an epidemic or a pandemic, which was an awful

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<v Speaker 3>experience with COVID. As you know, this also can be

469
00:33:25.960 --> 00:33:29.200
<v Speaker 3>just becoming very very ill like I did. And if

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<v Speaker 3>you think my illness wasn't serious, please read my book.

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<v Speaker 3>It can happen to you. Also.

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<v Speaker 2>A guest is Becky maclain, a former scientist Adfiser senior scientist,

473
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<v Speaker 2>wrote the book called Exposed. How Becky maclain, a scientist

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<v Speaker 2>Adfiser battled corruption, lies and betrayal and became a biohazard

475
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<v Speaker 2>whistleblower and one court case. In twenty ten, again, The

476
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<v Speaker 2>Fords by Ralph Nader's book was published by Skyrs Publishing.

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<v Speaker 2>It does a great job of publishing important books that

478
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<v Speaker 2>no one else has the guts to touch. Becky, So

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<v Speaker 2>the judge only after the case was settled, is that

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<v Speaker 2>when you found out that her husband worked for Pfiser

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<v Speaker 2>in an important position.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, she knew, Well, my assumption is she should know

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<v Speaker 3>what her husband's were working with. But after I won

484
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<v Speaker 3>the case, she disclosed that she had a conflict of interest,

485
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<v Speaker 3>and so she delayed the whole case for a year

486
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<v Speaker 3>so Pfizer could come after us after I won the lawsuit.

487
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<v Speaker 3>So people think you win a lawsuit and you win. No,

488
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<v Speaker 3>they appealed the lawsuit and they came after us for

489
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<v Speaker 3>three years after that, not only me, but also came

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<v Speaker 3>after my husband, who worked for the government. The judge

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<v Speaker 3>had a conflict of interest. Her husband was working within

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<v Speaker 3>the embryonic stem cell community of one hundred million dollars

493
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<v Speaker 3>investing that and working with Visor also had interactions with

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<v Speaker 3>pviisor So it was a blatant conflict of interest.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Becky, now let me jump in here. Our guest

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<v Speaker 2>is Becky McLain, research scientist, author of Exposed, a very

497
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<v Speaker 2>important book on what can happen when safety protocols aren't

498
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<v Speaker 2>properly followed at laboratories owned by private individuals, and Pfiser is,

499
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<v Speaker 2>of course, by perspective, the largest most powerful pharmaceutical industry,

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<v Speaker 2>pharmaceutical company worldwide. Becky, So now that it's you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you won in twenty ten, and now it's you know,

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<v Speaker 2>all these years later, So may I ask has anything

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<v Speaker 2>changed for the better? What has changed? What has changed

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<v Speaker 2>for the better?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, regarding biosafety, nothing, there's no there's no laws regarding

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00:35:59.639 --> 00:36:06.440
<v Speaker 3>expert laws placed on biotech technology. On the biotech industry,

507
00:36:06.960 --> 00:36:10.920
<v Speaker 3>workers still have no rights. They have no rights to

508
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<v Speaker 3>even say, hey, I want to be part of a

509
00:36:14.280 --> 00:36:17.199
<v Speaker 3>safety committee. And that's a whole other story. As you

510
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<v Speaker 3>see how Advisor builds their safety committee. It's a joke.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a joke. No. The only thing that's changed, I

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00:36:25.360 --> 00:36:31.519
<v Speaker 3>think is which is positive. Unfortunately, through COVID, there are

513
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<v Speaker 3>much more scientists now coming out and speaking about the

514
00:36:36.119 --> 00:36:41.679
<v Speaker 3>truth about science and how the culture of science. So

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<v Speaker 3>that is for example, you've invited me to speak on

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<v Speaker 3>your program that's a big deal. No one knows really,

517
00:36:49.400 --> 00:36:53.599
<v Speaker 3>even though the stories happened, I won my lawsuit and

518
00:36:53.679 --> 00:36:57.320
<v Speaker 3>finally was won it completely in twenty thirteen. No one's

519
00:36:57.360 --> 00:37:01.039
<v Speaker 3>really picked up my story. So I appreciate you, Joshua

520
00:37:01.400 --> 00:37:05.079
<v Speaker 3>and other scientists now that are standing up. And it's

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00:37:05.199 --> 00:37:08.800
<v Speaker 3>very difficult to stand up against the you know, the establishment.

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<v Speaker 3>But in terms of biosafety, no, the public is still

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<v Speaker 3>at risk and all uh, most scientists are gagged uh

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<v Speaker 3>with legal legal orders that they can't speak and this

525
00:37:22.719 --> 00:37:25.639
<v Speaker 3>is this is just indecent, totally indecent.

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<v Speaker 2>Becky, let me ask this question. Are you in contact

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<v Speaker 2>with any of the scientists working at Pfizer when you

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00:37:31.719 --> 00:37:34.760
<v Speaker 2>were there in early two thousands who may have been

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<v Speaker 2>exposed to these viruses and maybe they didn't tell you

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<v Speaker 2>at the time or you didn't recognize it because they,

531
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<v Speaker 2>you know, FIS was busy, you know, harassing you. Are

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<v Speaker 2>they still living?

533
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<v Speaker 3>Uh? First of all, when you're when you're a whistleblower,

534
00:37:49.960 --> 00:37:53.519
<v Speaker 3>they become you become very isolated. They isolate you quickly.

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<v Speaker 3>You I could not even talk to anybody within the department.

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<v Speaker 3>One of my attorneys did get a phone call from

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<v Speaker 3>another scientist in my department saying that she was ill

538
00:38:06.440 --> 00:38:09.079
<v Speaker 3>and she needed an attorney. That's all I heard, you know,

539
00:38:09.079 --> 00:38:13.199
<v Speaker 3>because they can't speak, you know. Okay, So yes, people

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00:38:13.199 --> 00:38:16.719
<v Speaker 3>were getting ill. And in the book also describes about

541
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<v Speaker 3>other exposures from a biocontainment where people were getting ill.

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<v Speaker 3>Regarding the manager that told when I brought up some

543
00:38:25.079 --> 00:38:28.440
<v Speaker 3>safety issues, he said, I don't have cancer yet, why

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<v Speaker 3>are you complaining? Well, he's passed from cancer.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. So yeah, and again let me say so this

546
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<v Speaker 2>person who passed from cancer, so he must have been

547
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<v Speaker 2>about your age. In other words, he died of cancer,

548
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<v Speaker 2>not at ninety but at what fifty five or something?

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<v Speaker 3>At fifty five? Yes, at fifty five. So yeah, this

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00:38:48.119 --> 00:38:52.440
<v Speaker 3>is serious stuff. And there's no the government is not

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<v Speaker 3>tracing any of these injuries. So it's it's very difficult,

552
00:38:58.440 --> 00:39:02.199
<v Speaker 3>you know. It's they want to keep it secret, and

553
00:39:02.239 --> 00:39:06.760
<v Speaker 3>they want to keep self regulation within the industry without

554
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<v Speaker 3>giving biotech workers the rights to free speech and to

555
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<v Speaker 3>discuss safety issues.

556
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<v Speaker 4>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Our guest is Becky McLain. Becky McClain author exposed. Becky

558
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<v Speaker 2>a spfiser scientist, battles corruption, lies and betrayal and becomes

559
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<v Speaker 2>a biohazard whistleblower forward by Ralph Nader, published by Scars

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<v Speaker 2>Publishing and Becky McClain one her lawsuit in twenty ten.

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<v Speaker 2>Ladies and Gentlemen, twenty ten, This is an ongoing problem

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<v Speaker 2>that we It's frightening by the way it's I find

563
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<v Speaker 2>it frightening since frankly, I know nothing about this subject.

564
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, I'm good with food. You know

565
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<v Speaker 2>I understand food. But there's all these virus problems are like, wow,

566
00:39:47.880 --> 00:39:49.960
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't matter what the heck you're reading. You're exposed

567
00:39:50.000 --> 00:39:52.800
<v Speaker 2>to these toxic agents, and boy, you can get real sick,

568
00:39:52.920 --> 00:39:55.320
<v Speaker 2>and no one knows what to do for you. You're really

569
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<v Speaker 2>on your own. So it's it seems very frightening. So

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<v Speaker 2>you had an attorney you got you managed to get

571
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<v Speaker 2>a good attorney, and he told you, listen, don't go

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<v Speaker 2>to OSHA. They will not help you. But you met

573
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<v Speaker 2>must have made you feel pretty terrible to think no

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<v Speaker 2>OSHA will Occupational Health and Safety they will help me.

575
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<v Speaker 2>I'm working, they'll help me, And they wouldn't. And it

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<v Speaker 2>turns out your attorney was correct, but you decided to

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<v Speaker 2>know you were contacted them anyway. And then I, as

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<v Speaker 2>you mentioned, the attorney said oh okay, whatever, and you

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<v Speaker 2>started using OSHA. And uh so that attorney that you

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<v Speaker 2>work with, who was a former I think state You said,

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<v Speaker 2>state senator.

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<v Speaker 3>Is he still living, No, he's past, he's gone. Yes

583
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<v Speaker 3>he he kept advising me, OHSHI is not your friend.

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<v Speaker 3>You're going to get You know, they're gonna don't go

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<v Speaker 3>to OSHA. Well, the only just for people's understanding, the

586
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<v Speaker 3>only regulatory agency overseeing private bio labs is OSHA. You

587
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<v Speaker 3>have to go if you're going to if you're going

588
00:40:56.400 --> 00:41:01.639
<v Speaker 3>to complain about retaliation, or or you're a whistleblower, or

589
00:41:01.679 --> 00:41:04.760
<v Speaker 3>you've been injured, you must go to OSHA. You don't

590
00:41:04.760 --> 00:41:06.760
<v Speaker 3>have any choice in the matter. Otherwise you can't go

591
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<v Speaker 3>to court. You have to. You have to exhaust your

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<v Speaker 3>OSHA responsibilities first. And reading my book, you'll be amazed

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<v Speaker 3>at how OSHA looks at this issue of what happens

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<v Speaker 3>in the lab. Basically, they don't do anything and not

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<v Speaker 3>why I'm sorry they do do something. They stab me

596
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<v Speaker 3>in the back. I have all this information documented from

597
00:41:29.639 --> 00:41:35.000
<v Speaker 3>several scientists. I've been exposed. I have it all documented,

598
00:41:35.960 --> 00:41:41.440
<v Speaker 3>and they throw out my case and say I'm a

599
00:41:41.480 --> 00:41:44.079
<v Speaker 3>whistleblower because I want to get money. I mean, that's

600
00:41:44.119 --> 00:41:48.039
<v Speaker 3>how bad OSHA is. So the public better be very

601
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<v Speaker 3>careful because there's no regulatory oversight because these agencies are

602
00:41:54.239 --> 00:41:59.920
<v Speaker 3>all compromised. You know, they're the heads are appointed figure

603
00:42:00.360 --> 00:42:05.400
<v Speaker 3>and most of them are biotech industry appointed figures ahead

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<v Speaker 3>of agencies that they're supposed to be regulating, regulating the

605
00:42:08.960 --> 00:42:13.440
<v Speaker 3>agency that they're given oversight. So it's it's very problematic.

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<v Speaker 3>We need major changes in our in our safety protocols

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<v Speaker 3>and our regulatory oversight of these labs.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Our guest is Becky McLain. Thank you for listening to

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<v Speaker 2>listeners yourself listening to Becky today, You know this is

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<v Speaker 2>really powerful and really actually very upsetting. It's very upsetting

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<v Speaker 2>because we recognize that every one of us in the

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<v Speaker 2>United States and I guess around the world can be

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<v Speaker 2>exposed to these pathogenic agents, these viruses that we know

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<v Speaker 2>nothing about. That it's brand new science. It's great to

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<v Speaker 2>do science, but does need to be controlled and regulated,

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00:42:51.440 --> 00:42:54.719
<v Speaker 2>and we the public need to have people on our side.

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<v Speaker 2>Becky's book is called Exposed by Becky A. McClain for

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00:42:59.000 --> 00:43:02.480
<v Speaker 2>by Ralph Nada published by Scars Publishing. Becky, how kind

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00:43:02.480 --> 00:43:06.360
<v Speaker 2>of listeners have heirs to your health? Contact you and

621
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<v Speaker 2>what can they do to support your ideas and protect

622
00:43:09.280 --> 00:43:11.360
<v Speaker 2>themselves at the same time it's very self serving? How

623
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<v Speaker 2>can they do something to make sure this doesn't happen

624
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<v Speaker 2>to them?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Yeah, well they could contact me at info at

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<v Speaker 3>beckyamaclain dot com if they want to email me, okay

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<v Speaker 3>for any questions, you know, regarding why I wrote the

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<v Speaker 3>book because I wanted people to understand the culture of

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<v Speaker 3>biosafety operating in twenty first century biotechnologies and the advanced

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<v Speaker 3>biotechnologies that are being made and now especially with AI

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<v Speaker 3>and they're working now with human embryos without oversight. They

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<v Speaker 3>say there's oversight, but it's all self regulated again with

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<v Speaker 3>many non disclosures about what's happening. But I wanted that,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, the public has to understand we're going through.

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<v Speaker 3>I personally think we're going through a major in techy

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<v Speaker 3>problem about science because of the big money involved in science. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>we've lost our academic advocacy because they're big money now.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think the public really needs to do their

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<v Speaker 3>own research until we can get things straightened out about

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<v Speaker 3>the integrity of science, and I'm hoping that they're going

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<v Speaker 3>to be a little bit smarter. They can't be that

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<v Speaker 3>trustworthy about what's being said about science because it's become

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<v Speaker 3>so politicized instead of really truthful science. That's the problem

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<v Speaker 3>we do because now there's so much money in biotech.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a three point two trillion dollar industry, and they've

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<v Speaker 3>got power, they've got influence, they've got the conflicts of interest,

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<v Speaker 3>and the public has to get involved. The public has

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<v Speaker 3>to have and outcry that hey, you want to do

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<v Speaker 3>these technologies. Yes, we're all for you know, bringing in

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<v Speaker 3>new technologies, but there must be safety protocols, there must

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<v Speaker 3>be rights to workers, and there must be free speech

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<v Speaker 3>in science.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. Thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen, thank you

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<v Speaker 2>for listening today to the broadcast from Becky A. McClain,

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<v Speaker 2>author of Exposed, published by Skyris Publishing for by Ralph Nader.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really it's a very well written book. It's very

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<v Speaker 2>worth reading. It's a very important subject. And i'd really

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<v Speaker 2>like to thank Becky for you know, being on the

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<v Speaker 2>show again. And Becky's is on regularly and Becky also

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<v Speaker 2>is luckily doing other broadcasts now getting these ideas out

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<v Speaker 2>because these are frightening. This is frightening stuff, but we

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<v Speaker 2>need to know about it and hopefully we can help

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<v Speaker 2>make it better. Let me just offer one historical analogy.

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<v Speaker 2>Letting gasoline was a major problem in the America and

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<v Speaker 2>the world for a long time, and the signists who

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<v Speaker 2>discovered it and comment on it was you know, hated

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, had a very rough time. But finally

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<v Speaker 2>they were able to take lead out of gasoline. And

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<v Speaker 2>this all, this book by Becky McClain is on par

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<v Speaker 2>with the lead in gasoline causing so many health problems.

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<v Speaker 2>So we see that these kind of problems do exist

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<v Speaker 2>and that luckily, when courageous people like Becky McLain come forward,

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<v Speaker 2>they can be resolved successfully. Successfully. This is Josh Laine.

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