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Speaker 2: Welcome to this edition of Here's to Your Health. I'm
Speaker 2: your host, josh Lane. My guest is Becky E. McClain.
Speaker 2: Becky is the author of a book Exposed. A phozo
Speaker 2: scientist battles corruption, lies and betrayal and becomes a biohazard whistleblower.
Speaker 2: The book Exposed by Becky McLain has a forward by
Speaker 2: Ralph Nader and is published by Skyhorse Publishing. And Becky
Speaker 2: McClain has been a guest many times on the show,
Speaker 2: and we're trying to continue with what occurred, what Becky
Speaker 2: McClain was exposed to when she worked at Pfiser in
Speaker 2: that Connecticut laboratory, major laboratory, major center, and how that
Speaker 2: was handled and what it means for us as the
Speaker 2: American people. Becky McClain, welcome to the show.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Joshua. I really appreciate the invite back to
Speaker 3: return and discuss my book a little bit further. Thank you.
Speaker 2: Okay, So, now, for those who have not heard some
Speaker 2: of the earlier interviews you've given on the show, you
Speaker 2: were a research scientist at Pfiser in a senior position,
Speaker 2: working in their Connecticut laboratory or the Connecticut campus, and
Speaker 2: you were harassed because, as you state, your working editions
Speaker 2: were unsafe. You as I use the word as an employee,
Speaker 2: as a scientist at this at the Pfizer center, were
Speaker 2: not in a safe position. You were in a very
Speaker 2: unsafe position, and dangerous chemicals and dangerous pathoogens what you
Speaker 2: were exposed to at your workstation, and really nothing was
Speaker 2: done about that and you suffered unfortunately many serious health problems.
Speaker 2: But again I will say this by way of historical perspective,
Speaker 2: that because of what you had to suffer, you became
Speaker 2: the first whistleblower to be awarded a judgment against Pfizer
Speaker 2: in twenty ten in a federal court. So really you
Speaker 2: were vindicated in the criminal justice system, and that while
Speaker 2: you did a lot of suffering that gives you a
Speaker 2: certain stature that no one else has.
Speaker 3: That's true. I am the first successful biotech whistleblower in
Speaker 3: the United States, and I think in the world, I
Speaker 3: don't think there's any other story like mine about biosafety,
Speaker 3: how it impacts the public, how it impacts workers' rights.
Speaker 3: It's a very very important book. I know we have
Speaker 3: perhaps fifty minutes or so to discuss it, but I
Speaker 3: want to really encourage people to read the book because
Speaker 3: retaliation is a very complex environment and situation, and to
Speaker 3: really to understand how it impacts the public and the
Speaker 3: lack of free speech, the lack of whistleblower rights, lack
Speaker 3: of workers rights, how it can really be dangerous to
Speaker 3: the public self. And I think people will find the
Speaker 3: story very intriguing, and I hope people pick up the
Speaker 3: book and read it.
Speaker 2: Our guest is Becky McLain. Becky McLain, bioscientist, author of
Speaker 2: the book Exposed a Pfizer scientist battles corruption, lies and
Speaker 2: betrayal and Because a biohazard whistleblower Forward by Ralph Nader.
Speaker 2: Ralph Nader, a man with an excellent track record in
Speaker 2: consumer affairs and safety. Ralph Nader and the book is
Speaker 2: published by Scars Publishing. So, Becky, we've chatted, we've spoke,
Speaker 2: you've spoken before to my radio audience. And you were
Speaker 2: at the Grotton, Connecticut campus of Pfiser. And Pfeiser is,
Speaker 2: of course, I guess everyone kind of knows it now,
Speaker 2: the largest pharmaceutical company in.
Speaker 4: The world, that's correct.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they have enormous clout. They are not to
Speaker 2: be taken lightly. Now, you were working at the grotten lab.
Speaker 2: I want to mention this. So your workstation was in
Speaker 2: an area that was not protected properly. Others were actually
Speaker 2: using that station and they were doing experiments there which
Speaker 2: were dangerous you know it now, and and you complained
Speaker 2: about it. You reported it, and you were largely told
Speaker 2: by a superior Okay, fine, we're dealing with we're dealing
Speaker 2: with it. But really you were not. So now here's
Speaker 2: a word that I I'm not familiar with. It's called lentivirus.
Speaker 2: So what exactly was lenta virus? And how were you,
Speaker 2: as a major scientist at Pfizer, a major corporation, how
Speaker 2: was it that your workstation was completely unprotected not only
Speaker 2: for you but for all the other scientists in your division.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, well, as I'm a I'm a veteran molecular biologist.
Speaker 3: When I started working at Pfiser in the embryonic stem
Speaker 3: cell lab, I had seventeen years of working experience in
Speaker 3: academia in international labs, so I was very skilled molecular
Speaker 3: biologist and I understood the safety parameters around my work
Speaker 3: and the responsibilities to do that. Now. A lent of
Speaker 3: virus is a virus of many species. The lent of
Speaker 3: virus that can infect humans is the HIV lent virus
Speaker 3: that costs aids. Different viruses are used in molecular biology
Speaker 3: to as vectors to introduce components into cells during an experiment,
Speaker 3: so that's why we use viruses in the lab. Of course,
Speaker 3: they can be very dangerous and their safety protocols that
Speaker 3: must be used when you're using these. One of the
Speaker 3: most important things is to do a risk assessment, and
Speaker 3: unfortunately private industry is not mandated to do a RISKSK assessment. Now,
Speaker 3: risk assessment would be if I'm going to use a
Speaker 3: liner virus Candida affect humans, some plenti viruses can't, some
Speaker 3: can only infect cats or whatever. So when you do
Speaker 3: a risk assessment, you must look at all parameters. Candida
Speaker 3: infect humans. Once it infects, can it incorporate into chromosomes,
Speaker 3: if it incorporates, or if it doesn't incorporate, doesn't have
Speaker 3: other genetically engineered vectors or technologies in it that can
Speaker 3: can cause harm. So unfortunately, private industry is not mandated
Speaker 3: to do risk assessments like academia. So that's the first
Speaker 3: problem about biosafety in private labs. Now, when you when
Speaker 3: we do molecular biology, you usually have your own private
Speaker 3: bench because it can be dangerous and you don't want
Speaker 3: other people working on your private bench because then you
Speaker 3: would know what they've worked on. And these agents are invisible, right,
Speaker 3: They're invisible, So you want your own private bench. In addition,
Speaker 3: usually next to your bench you have some sort of
Speaker 3: workstation you can take notes or something like that. But
Speaker 3: in general, if you're working with viruses or you're working
Speaker 3: in a dangerous with dangerous technologies, you're off a space
Speaker 3: should be separated from your laboratory space. In addition, your
Speaker 3: breakroom should be separated from your work space. And at
Speaker 3: Pfizer two, those two protections were not provided in this laboratory.
Speaker 3: We were working in an embryonic stem cell laboratory, which
Speaker 3: develops highly advanced technologies. So what happened. It's difficult because
Speaker 3: this is the middle of the story. When I was
Speaker 3: exposed to the lintavirus. Prior to my exposure, which made
Speaker 3: me very, very sick, I had already raised multiple safety
Speaker 3: issues in the laboratory, not having a safe breakroom, people
Speaker 3: were finding test tubes in their drinks. If you can
Speaker 3: believe it, that's how bad it was, and adviser basically
Speaker 3: ignored it. Ignored these safety issues, they ridiculed people that
Speaker 3: brought them up, and then they employed a culture of
Speaker 3: fear of anybody that spoke about biosafety in the lab. Now,
Speaker 3: these biosafety issues are not just issues of work safety,
Speaker 3: but also public safety. If a worker gets exposed to
Speaker 3: one of these issues one of these vectors or technologies,
Speaker 3: they could go home and perhaps expose a family or
Speaker 3: exposed if it is contagious. So there's important reasons why
Speaker 3: we have biosafety parameters and private industry doesn't have the
Speaker 3: same type of regulations as academia and other laboratories.
Speaker 2: Our guest is Becky McLain. Becky McLain a research scientist
Speaker 2: at Pfizer. Author exposed a Peiser scientist battles corruption, lies
Speaker 2: and betrayal and becomes a biohazard whistleblower, a book published
Speaker 2: by Scars Publishing, with the forward by Ralph Nader. So, Becky,
Speaker 2: you were not the only scientist in your group to complain.
Speaker 2: Didn't all the other scientists complain as well?
Speaker 3: Yes, there there were multiple sists. We had documentations of people,
Speaker 3: different scientists raising these safety complaints and they were ignored.
Speaker 3: And I was told that Pfizer bases their safety policy
Speaker 3: on what is legal and not necessarily what is safe,
Speaker 3: which was shocking to me because, as you know, biotechnology
Speaker 3: advances probably faster than regulations can be placed on an industry.
Speaker 3: So as a responsible scientist, as a responsible corporation that
Speaker 3: is using these type of technologies, there's a certain ethics
Speaker 3: involved with using them. And when the corporation has become
Speaker 3: so wealthy and so powerful that they don't care about
Speaker 3: public health and they don't care about biosafety because they
Speaker 3: have the legal power to crush and sign silence any whistleblower,
Speaker 3: as I was, then that's a major public health and
Speaker 3: safety issue.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I completely agree. Our guest is Becky A McClain,
Speaker 2: author of Exposed, A Phiser scientist battles corruption, lies and
Speaker 2: betrayal and becomes a biohazard whistleblower. Becky, when you first
Speaker 2: began working for fires that you were recruited, I guess
Speaker 2: from academia you were a healthy, forty year old successful scientist.
Speaker 2: May ask what are the symptoms that you developed after
Speaker 2: your exposure at the Pfiser laboratory in Gratton.
Speaker 3: Before I was exposed to the genetically engineered lentavirus, retaliation
Speaker 3: against me was hardcore hostility, low performance reviews, isolation. So
Speaker 3: let's put that in perspective. EXPO happened during in the
Speaker 3: midst of this retaliation, and what happened was that they
Speaker 3: used a lent of virus that could infect humans on
Speaker 3: an open labs bench without biocontainment. Usually most all lenter
Speaker 3: viruses or genetically engineered viruses are used within a laminar
Speaker 3: flow biocontainment hood. My supervisor and his aid use the
Speaker 3: lent of virus on my personal workbench without telling me,
Speaker 3: and that's when my exposure occurred. What happened initially, and
Speaker 3: if you know about lent of viruses, lentaviruses HIV. Lent
Speaker 3: virus causes a's and it's a slow progression of illness.
Speaker 3: Usually if someone gets AIDS now the lent of virus
Speaker 3: I was exposed to. They took the AIDS disease genes
Speaker 3: out and they put other technologies in it because it
Speaker 3: uses a vector as I told you to infect cells
Speaker 3: in the lab, because it's a highly efficient vector to infect.
Speaker 3: So within thirty hours after the exposure, my left side
Speaker 3: of my face went numb and I did not I
Speaker 3: knew I had been exposed, but they basically told me
Speaker 3: that it was not a human infectious agent they were
Speaker 3: working with. Later on I found out they had lied,
Speaker 3: so I didn't think anything of it. I thought, well,
Speaker 3: I must be sick or something was going on. Well,
Speaker 3: it started with numbness in my face. Then I started
Speaker 3: having lower left pain jaw, intense lower left pain jaw,
Speaker 3: and then my gums on that side started bleeding, and
Speaker 3: then I started getting a flu like symptom systemic illness.
Speaker 3: This is months going on now and I'm having brain fog.
Speaker 3: I'm very ill. I feel like I have the flu
Speaker 3: all the time. I have chronic fatigue, and then I
Speaker 3: get headaches for like eight days that will not stop,
Speaker 3: no aspirin, no tile knolls stopping the headaches, and it
Speaker 3: eventually moves down my spine. Pain moves down my spine,
Speaker 3: and I fall into a condition called periodic paralysis, where
Speaker 3: it's a full body paralysis for up to an hour.
Speaker 3: It can be three minutes to an hour with painful
Speaker 3: spinal pains in between the paralysis because the paralysis breaks
Speaker 3: and then it comes back, and eventually we find out
Speaker 3: why this is happening. But in the beginning I didn't know.
Speaker 3: I didn't know until finally I was on medical even
Speaker 3: a doctor said you have some sort of post viral syndrome,
Speaker 3: and I said, post viral syndrome. I haven't been exposed
Speaker 3: to a virus. And then it clicked when this exposure
Speaker 3: happened when they left this messy experiment all over my
Speaker 3: bench with all over the bench had contaminated my private
Speaker 3: bench right next to my open office where I didn't
Speaker 3: have personal protection. So that was the beginning. It was
Speaker 3: a fight to try to get my exposure records, to
Speaker 3: try to determine what they had exposed me to and
Speaker 3: how to get medical care for it, because it was
Speaker 3: a very severe, dangerous illness and painful. It really impacted
Speaker 3: my life for a long, long, long long time.
Speaker 2: Well, okay. Our guest is Becky McLain. Becky McClain, the
Speaker 2: research scientist, author of Exposed, a Pfiser scientist battles corruption,
Speaker 2: lies and betrayal and becomes a biohazard whistleblower. Forward by
Speaker 2: Ralph Nader, published by Skyrs Publishing. Now, Becky, this sounds
Speaker 2: very upsetting, and it also sounds to me like not
Speaker 2: the typical thing people get. So you probably thought, what's
Speaker 2: wrong with me? And when you went to the various physicians,
Speaker 2: did anyone have a sense of it at all?
Speaker 3: Well. One of the problems with being exposed to a
Speaker 3: genetically engineered virus is that they can cause new emerging
Speaker 3: illness Because they're genetically engineered, they have technologies in there
Speaker 3: that's never been they're not natural. Scientists put these technologies
Speaker 3: inside a virus so they can ask a question during
Speaker 3: an experiment. They're not supposed to be exposed to humans.
Speaker 3: So when I went to the doctor, every doctor said,
Speaker 3: I've never seen anything like this before. Now, I did
Speaker 3: have a condition almost comparable to something called periodic paralysis,
Speaker 3: which is a genetic illness. I did not have any
Speaker 3: this illness in my family. I was tested. I don't
Speaker 3: have the genes for a genetic illness, and my illness
Speaker 3: was a little bit different. It also was very painful.
Speaker 3: Most people with periodic paralysis don't have the pain syndrome
Speaker 3: I had, with the spinal pain and the muscle ache
Speaker 3: and things like that. I'm sorry, So what was the
Speaker 3: I'm sorry? What was no?
Speaker 2: The question was, you are a trained scientist, healthy woman,
Speaker 2: all of a sudden your body is completely uncooperative. And
Speaker 2: it's not as though you, you know, stubbed your toe.
Speaker 2: You thought, oh, I stubbed my toe or I broke
Speaker 2: my arm. No, it's nothing like that, you say, it's
Speaker 2: something that no one has any idea what's going on.
Speaker 2: So that must have been very upsetting.
Speaker 3: Well, it was very difficult. You go to the doctor
Speaker 3: you have a very serious illness. I was hospitalized. I
Speaker 3: was many ambulance rides. I can't even count how many
Speaker 3: ambulance rise I had. And I was completely completely healthy.
Speaker 3: I've been an athlete all my life and this was
Speaker 3: the first time I ever had any major illness happen
Speaker 3: to me. So it was a struggle of trying to
Speaker 3: find out what is going on and the clue. Thank god,
Speaker 3: that one doctor tested my blood and found compliment that
Speaker 3: indicated I had been exposed to a virus. And that's
Speaker 3: when I went to Pfizer started writing to them and
Speaker 3: asking them, can you please give me the records now
Speaker 3: of what this experiment was all about? Because I was
Speaker 3: told it was safe, but now I have this illness
Speaker 3: after this exposure, and I want to know exactly what
Speaker 3: it was about. And that's when Piso said, I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: trade secret supersedes You're right and we aren't giving you
Speaker 3: any information.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So this is the character the book. If people
Speaker 3: read the book, they're going to be very surprised about
Speaker 3: the character of the biotech industry, about their willingness to
Speaker 3: protect workers and their willingness to protect public health and safety.
Speaker 3: I think it's going to be a eye opener for
Speaker 3: the public for.
Speaker 2: Those just tuning into the show. Our guest is Becky maclain.
Speaker 2: Becky McClain, author of Exposed. Becky was a form of
Speaker 2: Pfiser scientist. I'll read the blurb to you. Exposed by
Speaker 2: Becky maclain, a Preiser scientist battles corruption, lies and betrayal
Speaker 2: and becomes a biohazard whistleblower published by Skyros Publishing and
Speaker 2: The Forwarders by Ralph Nader Becky. So I read in
Speaker 2: the book in your book exposed that at one point
Speaker 2: you thought, when you had terrible pain in your jaw,
Speaker 2: you thought, oh, well, I had a root canal. I
Speaker 2: want a dentist to check it out and to redo
Speaker 2: the root canal. And your dentist said, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: there's nothing wrong with the root canal. You said, no,
Speaker 2: redo it anyway, and you redid the root canal and
Speaker 2: it didn't didn't affect, didn't make it better for second?
Speaker 2: Is that right? No?
Speaker 3: No, I thought maybe that was the problem when I
Speaker 3: was having such horrible jaw pain. And no, it didn't help.
Speaker 3: It all on me. That's how desperate I was. Can
Speaker 3: you mean begging for a root canal when I already
Speaker 3: had a root canal? But I had to. I mean,
Speaker 3: it was it was a very painful syndrome. And uh,
Speaker 3: my assumption is that somehow I must have touched the
Speaker 3: lab bench and put my finger in my mouth and
Speaker 3: it infected into my jaw through my trigeneral nerve, went
Speaker 3: up into my brain and that's why I started having,
Speaker 3: you know, spinal pain. I've had a major impacts also
Speaker 3: with my memory. You know, I'm not as not as
Speaker 3: sharp as I was since that exposure. It impact, It
Speaker 3: impacted me quite quite quite a lot. Eventually I did
Speaker 3: get a description of the virus that I was exposed to.
Speaker 3: You know, it's explained in the book. It took a
Speaker 3: long time to get a description. So when they exposed me,
Speaker 3: they said it was safe, and I just assumed that
Speaker 3: they were telling you the truth. When I did get
Speaker 3: the description, it was an HIV derived LINTO virus. That
Speaker 3: means it was an HIV virus that they took and
Speaker 3: they genetically engineered, took the the age genes out, but
Speaker 3: put other technologies in. One of the technologies they put
Speaker 3: in was an sh RNA technology, which I was very
Speaker 3: familiar with because I was also developing those technologies in
Speaker 3: other vectors, not infectious vectors, but other vectors, so I
Speaker 3: knew I understood the technologies. An s HRNA is I'm
Speaker 3: going to provide a meta metaphor because I can't boggle
Speaker 3: people down with scientific you know, words and things. But
Speaker 3: shRNA acts like a genetic missile in the cell, it's
Speaker 3: cloned into a virus. Once the virus is inside the cell,
Speaker 3: it shoots off these missiles. And these missiles are programmed
Speaker 3: specifically to destroy messenger RNA in your cell. And we
Speaker 3: do this again in the lab for experimental purposes. For example,
Speaker 3: of you want a disease state model, you can put
Speaker 3: an s hr NA in the cell to make a
Speaker 3: cell sick, and then you have a defined sick cell.
Speaker 3: So we're not making these these technologies just for the
Speaker 3: heck of it. So that's all the only information I had.
Speaker 3: There's a genetic missile in this lintavirus, and you're exposed
Speaker 3: to a human infectious agent. And then it was a
Speaker 3: struggle to get any more information because the government ruled
Speaker 3: that trades also ruled in Visor's favor, that trade secrets
Speaker 3: superseded my right to get that information for my healthcare.
Speaker 3: Can you imagine it's still amazing to me that both
Speaker 3: private industry and the government ruled that trade secrets supersedes
Speaker 3: a worker's right to get exposure records of what you're
Speaker 3: exposed to for their healthcare. Now I did this. I
Speaker 3: didn't expose myself. Someone exposed me, right, and the people
Speaker 3: that exposed me were part of the retaliation, involved in
Speaker 3: this lengthy retaliation, so it was even worse.
Speaker 2: We're chatting with Becky McLain. Becky McLain, the research scientist
Speaker 2: at Pfizer who wrote a book called Exposed. And Becky
Speaker 2: was a research scientist at Pfiser in their grotten Connecticut
Speaker 2: campus and she battled corruption, lies and betrayal and becomes
Speaker 2: a biohazard whistleblower. And having just heard what she has
Speaker 2: gone through in a physical health series of events that
Speaker 2: went on for many years, I want to jump in
Speaker 2: and just say ask you, Becky. So you went, You
Speaker 2: eventually had to go to court against Pfizer and you
Speaker 2: won in twoenty ten. You actually won the lawsuit in
Speaker 2: twenty ten. So that gives the listeners of his history
Speaker 2: health and understanding of how long ago this was and
Speaker 2: what you managed to accomplish really on your own. Ohsha
Speaker 2: wasn't helping you. You know, you were there and you
Speaker 2: were sick, and you were on your own. So could
Speaker 2: you please tell us what happened in twenty ten in
Speaker 2: the courtroom.
Speaker 3: I had no right, according to the judge, to bring
Speaker 3: up my illness in front of the jury, even though
Speaker 3: the exposure could have been part of the retaliation, and
Speaker 3: it was also part of the biosafety issues that we
Speaker 3: were very concerned about about not bio containing genetically engineered
Speaker 3: viruses Correctly, we found someone found a genetically engineered virus
Speaker 3: where we eat and drink, someone had left a genetically virus.
Speaker 3: That's how bad the biosafety was and unbelievably ignoring it.
Speaker 3: So we brought counts of free speed and whistleblowing claim
Speaker 3: to claims of that, and then we also brought a
Speaker 3: claim called the Sworez account. But the judge through the
Speaker 3: swore As legal account out claiming that workers compensation could
Speaker 3: only deal with my illness, which is a big joke
Speaker 3: because the worker's compensation demands a high level of evidence
Speaker 3: to win in workers comp and then you don't get
Speaker 3: really that good of a compensation anyway. So many workers
Speaker 3: that are being exposed and become an ill or have
Speaker 3: a disease, it's impossible to really prove it, especially if
Speaker 3: the company is denying you exposure records to prove that
Speaker 3: you've been exposed to this agent, and then it causes
Speaker 3: a new disease, and then it's the difficulty for physicians
Speaker 3: that don't really understand what's going on, because most physicians
Speaker 3: don't even understand molecular biology, let's alone a new emerging
Speaker 3: illness caused by them right now. So the judge through
Speaker 3: the Suarez count out, and that count is for willful
Speaker 3: and reckless and malicious behavior, and she threw that out.
Speaker 3: So the jury didn't hear any of how I got sick,
Speaker 3: how I was exposed. They only heard about the safety
Speaker 3: issues in the lab. And I did win on that,
Speaker 3: which is great. I mean, just to get in front
Speaker 3: of a jury as a whistleblower. As you read the book,
Speaker 3: you're going to all these obstacles against workers. Most of
Speaker 3: them are gagged with an NDA, A non disclosure non
Speaker 3: disclosure agreement. Is that the right word I'm trying to use. Well,
Speaker 3: I wouldn't sign one. That's why Fizer came after me
Speaker 3: so badly. They wanted me silenced. And I had already
Speaker 3: met other injured workers who were so afraid to talk
Speaker 3: because they had signed one of these agreements. So I
Speaker 3: did not sign. We went into battle. I finally got
Speaker 3: in front of a jury, and that was like a miracle,
Speaker 3: just because of the legal obstacles put in place, against workers,
Speaker 3: so the public can't hear what's going on. They don't
Speaker 3: want the public to understand the dangers in biotechnology that's
Speaker 3: going on in biotechnology, the lack of free speech, and
Speaker 3: the lack of workers' rights. So yes, I won in
Speaker 3: twenty ten, and Pfizer appealed, and I finally was paid
Speaker 3: one point three million dollars in twenty and thirteen. Now
Speaker 3: I want the listeners to realize that's ten years after
Speaker 3: my exposure. I can't work, I'm sick, I've lost income,
Speaker 3: all my income, I'd lost my career, and the obstacles
Speaker 3: of just trying to find the money, find the energy
Speaker 3: an attorney. So it's really a miracle. I was able
Speaker 3: to get in front of a jury, thank God for
Speaker 3: my attorneys, and to win this case. And that's why
Speaker 3: it's very important regarding publishing the book, because it does
Speaker 3: give me some credibility. Although there are many, many, many
Speaker 3: whistleblowers that didn't have the opportunity to get in front
Speaker 3: of a jury, and they've suffered consequences like me. But
Speaker 3: my book is an example of what's occurring and why
Speaker 3: you don't see that many or hear about injured workers
Speaker 3: in the biotech arena is because everything's gagged non disclosure agreements,
Speaker 3: and just to get in front of a jury is tough.
Speaker 3: I won one point three million dollars because that was
Speaker 3: my salary for ten years. While advisor retaliated against me,
Speaker 3: I was not paid for the loss of my career.
Speaker 3: I didn't get a penny for the injury that they
Speaker 3: caused me, and I didn't get directed medical care. And
Speaker 3: workers comp also claimed that trade secrets superseded my right
Speaker 3: to get the exposure records so I could even get
Speaker 3: medical care. That's how bad workers compensation is. We really
Speaker 3: need a lot of changes in this industry and regarding
Speaker 3: free speech and workers' rights.
Speaker 2: Our guest is Becky McLain. Those of you listening to
Speaker 2: the show realized how powerful and really terrifying this information is.
Speaker 2: That Becky McLain had the experience was forced to her
Speaker 2: book is Exposed, published by Skylar was publishing forward by
Speaker 2: Ralph Nader. Again the book is Exposed now, Becky. Also
Speaker 2: in the book, you mentioned that the judge who you
Speaker 2: had listening to the case, did she have a conflict
Speaker 2: of interest?
Speaker 3: Yes, she did have a conflict that interest and.
Speaker 2: What was that conflict of interest.
Speaker 3: The conflict of interest was that her husband worked with
Speaker 3: Pfizer and worked with other institutes to invest one hundred
Speaker 3: million dollars in embry human embryonic stem cells. As you
Speaker 3: can remember in or I don't know if you remember,
Speaker 3: but around two thousand and five two thousand, there was
Speaker 3: a big parade of human embryonic stem cells. We need
Speaker 3: to work with these, which means you have to work
Speaker 3: with the human embryo and they were promoting this because
Speaker 3: they were going to be miracle cures, make people walk again.
Speaker 3: You know, you were going to cure Parkinson's. We're going
Speaker 3: to do it. As an embryonic stem cell scientist, I
Speaker 3: knew these were just complete lies. But tons of money
Speaker 3: was being poured in California, put in billions of dollars.
Speaker 3: In Connecticut, where this story was happening, they believe it
Speaker 3: was one hundred million dollars was taken out of the
Speaker 3: public funds to support this human embryonic stem cell initiative.
Speaker 3: And they didn't Connecticut didn't want my story coming out
Speaker 3: because then the public would be in an uproar that
Speaker 3: you want to do human embryonic stem cell technologies, but
Speaker 3: you don't want to keep your workers safe. You don't
Speaker 3: want to keep the public safe from these technologies. So
Speaker 3: I also just to explain these technologies they they might
Speaker 3: or they might might not or might could cause an
Speaker 3: epidemic or a pandemic. But usually in BL two labs,
Speaker 3: which is a lab I worked in, usually it would
Speaker 3: take some time to become contagious because we do have
Speaker 3: some different vectors that hopefully won't become a pandemic, but
Speaker 3: it could possibly so. But what they can cause, it
Speaker 3: can cause metabolic disorders upon a community. If it's released,
Speaker 3: it can cause cancer all a new emerging disease. So
Speaker 3: I just want the public to be aware it's not
Speaker 3: only an epidemic or a pandemic, which was an awful
Speaker 3: experience with COVID. As you know, this also can be
Speaker 3: just becoming very very ill like I did. And if
Speaker 3: you think my illness wasn't serious, please read my book.
Speaker 3: It can happen to you. Also.
Speaker 2: A guest is Becky maclain, a former scientist Adfiser senior scientist,
Speaker 2: wrote the book called Exposed. How Becky maclain, a scientist
Speaker 2: Adfiser battled corruption, lies and betrayal and became a biohazard
Speaker 2: whistleblower and one court case. In twenty ten, again, The
Speaker 2: Fords by Ralph Nader's book was published by Skyrs Publishing.
Speaker 2: It does a great job of publishing important books that
Speaker 2: no one else has the guts to touch. Becky, So
Speaker 2: the judge only after the case was settled, is that
Speaker 2: when you found out that her husband worked for Pfiser
Speaker 2: in an important position.
Speaker 3: Yes, she knew, Well, my assumption is she should know
Speaker 3: what her husband's were working with. But after I won
Speaker 3: the case, she disclosed that she had a conflict of interest,
Speaker 3: and so she delayed the whole case for a year
Speaker 3: so Pfizer could come after us after I won the lawsuit.
Speaker 3: So people think you win a lawsuit and you win. No,
Speaker 3: they appealed the lawsuit and they came after us for
Speaker 3: three years after that, not only me, but also came
Speaker 3: after my husband, who worked for the government. The judge
Speaker 3: had a conflict of interest. Her husband was working within
Speaker 3: the embryonic stem cell community of one hundred million dollars
Speaker 3: investing that and working with Visor also had interactions with
Speaker 3: pviisor So it was a blatant conflict of interest.
Speaker 2: Okay, Becky, now let me jump in here. Our guest
Speaker 2: is Becky McLain, research scientist, author of Exposed, a very
Speaker 2: important book on what can happen when safety protocols aren't
Speaker 2: properly followed at laboratories owned by private individuals, and Pfiser is,
Speaker 2: of course, by perspective, the largest most powerful pharmaceutical industry,
Speaker 2: pharmaceutical company worldwide. Becky, So now that it's you know,
Speaker 2: you won in twenty ten, and now it's you know,
Speaker 2: all these years later, So may I ask has anything
Speaker 2: changed for the better? What has changed? What has changed
Speaker 2: for the better?
Speaker 3: Well, regarding biosafety, nothing, there's no there's no laws regarding
Speaker 3: expert laws placed on biotech technology. On the biotech industry,
Speaker 3: workers still have no rights. They have no rights to
Speaker 3: even say, hey, I want to be part of a
Speaker 3: safety committee. And that's a whole other story. As you
Speaker 3: see how Advisor builds their safety committee. It's a joke.
Speaker 3: It's a joke. No. The only thing that's changed, I
Speaker 3: think is which is positive. Unfortunately, through COVID, there are
Speaker 3: much more scientists now coming out and speaking about the
Speaker 3: truth about science and how the culture of science. So
Speaker 3: that is for example, you've invited me to speak on
Speaker 3: your program that's a big deal. No one knows really,
Speaker 3: even though the stories happened, I won my lawsuit and
Speaker 3: finally was won it completely in twenty thirteen. No one's
Speaker 3: really picked up my story. So I appreciate you, Joshua
Speaker 3: and other scientists now that are standing up. And it's
Speaker 3: very difficult to stand up against the you know, the establishment.
Speaker 3: But in terms of biosafety, no, the public is still
Speaker 3: at risk and all uh, most scientists are gagged uh
Speaker 3: with legal legal orders that they can't speak and this
Speaker 3: is this is just indecent, totally indecent.
Speaker 2: Becky, let me ask this question. Are you in contact
Speaker 2: with any of the scientists working at Pfizer when you
Speaker 2: were there in early two thousands who may have been
Speaker 2: exposed to these viruses and maybe they didn't tell you
Speaker 2: at the time or you didn't recognize it because they,
Speaker 2: you know, FIS was busy, you know, harassing you. Are
Speaker 2: they still living?
Speaker 3: Uh? First of all, when you're when you're a whistleblower,
Speaker 3: they become you become very isolated. They isolate you quickly.
Speaker 3: You I could not even talk to anybody within the department.
Speaker 3: One of my attorneys did get a phone call from
Speaker 3: another scientist in my department saying that she was ill
Speaker 3: and she needed an attorney. That's all I heard, you know,
Speaker 3: because they can't speak, you know. Okay, So yes, people
Speaker 3: were getting ill. And in the book also describes about
Speaker 3: other exposures from a biocontainment where people were getting ill.
Speaker 3: Regarding the manager that told when I brought up some
Speaker 3: safety issues, he said, I don't have cancer yet, why
Speaker 3: are you complaining? Well, he's passed from cancer.
Speaker 2: Okay. So yeah, and again let me say so this
Speaker 2: person who passed from cancer, so he must have been
Speaker 2: about your age. In other words, he died of cancer,
Speaker 2: not at ninety but at what fifty five or something?
Speaker 3: At fifty five? Yes, at fifty five. So yeah, this
Speaker 3: is serious stuff. And there's no the government is not
Speaker 3: tracing any of these injuries. So it's it's very difficult,
Speaker 3: you know. It's they want to keep it secret, and
Speaker 3: they want to keep self regulation within the industry without
Speaker 3: giving biotech workers the rights to free speech and to
Speaker 3: discuss safety issues.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 2: Our guest is Becky McLain. Becky McClain author exposed. Becky
Speaker 2: a spfiser scientist, battles corruption, lies and betrayal and becomes
Speaker 2: a biohazard whistleblower forward by Ralph Nader, published by Scars
Speaker 2: Publishing and Becky McClain one her lawsuit in twenty ten.
Speaker 2: Ladies and Gentlemen, twenty ten, This is an ongoing problem
Speaker 2: that we It's frightening by the way it's I find
Speaker 2: it frightening since frankly, I know nothing about this subject.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I'm good with food. You know
Speaker 2: I understand food. But there's all these virus problems are like, wow,
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter what the heck you're reading. You're exposed
Speaker 2: to these toxic agents, and boy, you can get real sick,
Speaker 2: and no one knows what to do for you. You're really
Speaker 2: on your own. So it's it seems very frightening. So
Speaker 2: you had an attorney you got you managed to get
Speaker 2: a good attorney, and he told you, listen, don't go
Speaker 2: to OSHA. They will not help you. But you met
Speaker 2: must have made you feel pretty terrible to think no
Speaker 2: OSHA will Occupational Health and Safety they will help me.
Speaker 2: I'm working, they'll help me, And they wouldn't. And it
Speaker 2: turns out your attorney was correct, but you decided to
Speaker 2: know you were contacted them anyway. And then I, as
Speaker 2: you mentioned, the attorney said oh okay, whatever, and you
Speaker 2: started using OSHA. And uh so that attorney that you
Speaker 2: work with, who was a former I think state You said,
Speaker 2: state senator.
Speaker 3: Is he still living, No, he's past, he's gone. Yes
Speaker 3: he he kept advising me, OHSHI is not your friend.
Speaker 3: You're going to get You know, they're gonna don't go
Speaker 3: to OSHA. Well, the only just for people's understanding, the
Speaker 3: only regulatory agency overseeing private bio labs is OSHA. You
Speaker 3: have to go if you're going to if you're going
Speaker 3: to complain about retaliation, or or you're a whistleblower, or
Speaker 3: you've been injured, you must go to OSHA. You don't
Speaker 3: have any choice in the matter. Otherwise you can't go
Speaker 3: to court. You have to. You have to exhaust your
Speaker 3: OSHA responsibilities first. And reading my book, you'll be amazed
Speaker 3: at how OSHA looks at this issue of what happens
Speaker 3: in the lab. Basically, they don't do anything and not
Speaker 3: why I'm sorry they do do something. They stab me
Speaker 3: in the back. I have all this information documented from
Speaker 3: several scientists. I've been exposed. I have it all documented,
Speaker 3: and they throw out my case and say I'm a
Speaker 3: whistleblower because I want to get money. I mean, that's
Speaker 3: how bad OSHA is. So the public better be very
Speaker 3: careful because there's no regulatory oversight because these agencies are
Speaker 3: all compromised. You know, they're the heads are appointed figure
Speaker 3: and most of them are biotech industry appointed figures ahead
Speaker 3: of agencies that they're supposed to be regulating, regulating the
Speaker 3: agency that they're given oversight. So it's it's very problematic.
Speaker 3: We need major changes in our in our safety protocols
Speaker 3: and our regulatory oversight of these labs.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: Our guest is Becky McLain. Thank you for listening to
Speaker 2: listeners yourself listening to Becky today, You know this is
Speaker 2: really powerful and really actually very upsetting. It's very upsetting
Speaker 2: because we recognize that every one of us in the
Speaker 2: United States and I guess around the world can be
Speaker 2: exposed to these pathogenic agents, these viruses that we know
Speaker 2: nothing about. That it's brand new science. It's great to
Speaker 2: do science, but does need to be controlled and regulated,
Speaker 2: and we the public need to have people on our side.
Speaker 2: Becky's book is called Exposed by Becky A. McClain for
Speaker 2: by Ralph Nada published by Scars Publishing. Becky, how kind
Speaker 2: of listeners have heirs to your health? Contact you and
Speaker 2: what can they do to support your ideas and protect
Speaker 2: themselves at the same time it's very self serving? How
Speaker 2: can they do something to make sure this doesn't happen
Speaker 2: to them?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, well they could contact me at info at
Speaker 3: beckyamaclain dot com if they want to email me, okay
Speaker 3: for any questions, you know, regarding why I wrote the
Speaker 3: book because I wanted people to understand the culture of
Speaker 3: biosafety operating in twenty first century biotechnologies and the advanced
Speaker 3: biotechnologies that are being made and now especially with AI
Speaker 3: and they're working now with human embryos without oversight. They
Speaker 3: say there's oversight, but it's all self regulated again with
Speaker 3: many non disclosures about what's happening. But I wanted that,
Speaker 3: you know, the public has to understand we're going through.
Speaker 3: I personally think we're going through a major in techy
Speaker 3: problem about science because of the big money involved in science. Now,
Speaker 3: we've lost our academic advocacy because they're big money now.
Speaker 3: So I think the public really needs to do their
Speaker 3: own research until we can get things straightened out about
Speaker 3: the integrity of science, and I'm hoping that they're going
Speaker 3: to be a little bit smarter. They can't be that
Speaker 3: trustworthy about what's being said about science because it's become
Speaker 3: so politicized instead of really truthful science. That's the problem
Speaker 3: we do because now there's so much money in biotech.
Speaker 3: It's a three point two trillion dollar industry, and they've
Speaker 3: got power, they've got influence, they've got the conflicts of interest,
Speaker 3: and the public has to get involved. The public has
Speaker 3: to have and outcry that hey, you want to do
Speaker 3: these technologies. Yes, we're all for you know, bringing in
Speaker 3: new technologies, but there must be safety protocols, there must
Speaker 3: be rights to workers, and there must be free speech
Speaker 3: in science.
Speaker 2: Right. Thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen, thank you
Speaker 2: for listening today to the broadcast from Becky A. McClain,
Speaker 2: author of Exposed, published by Skyris Publishing for by Ralph Nader.
Speaker 2: It's really it's a very well written book. It's very
Speaker 2: worth reading. It's a very important subject. And i'd really
Speaker 2: like to thank Becky for you know, being on the
Speaker 2: show again. And Becky's is on regularly and Becky also
Speaker 2: is luckily doing other broadcasts now getting these ideas out
Speaker 2: because these are frightening. This is frightening stuff, but we
Speaker 2: need to know about it and hopefully we can help
Speaker 2: make it better. Let me just offer one historical analogy.
Speaker 2: Letting gasoline was a major problem in the America and
Speaker 2: the world for a long time, and the signists who
Speaker 2: discovered it and comment on it was you know, hated
Speaker 2: and you know, had a very rough time. But finally
Speaker 2: they were able to take lead out of gasoline. And
Speaker 2: this all, this book by Becky McClain is on par
Speaker 2: with the lead in gasoline causing so many health problems.
Speaker 2: So we see that these kind of problems do exist
Speaker 2: and that luckily, when courageous people like Becky McLain come forward,
Speaker 2: they can be resolved successfully. Successfully. This is Josh Laine.
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