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much for your support. Last year, Jayshaun Young, twenty one
years old of Gastonia, died in a May fourth shooting
in York, South Carolina. And in the studio with me
today or two law enforcement officers from York Police Department,
Detective Sergeant Kira Fayol and Lieutenant Sean Bailey from York PD, welcome, y'all.
I appreciate it. And so they reached out because you guys,
what need help with this case? I guess Detective I'll
start with you. You need help with the case.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, in any case that we work, and oftentimes how
we work our cases, you know, there are intricate details
that you know sometimes we delve into in an investigation,
but really reality is my experience as a detective has
been Our community is really where we get the majority
of my answers, and we're asking for their assistants in
this In this case, the case itself has been extremely active,
especially it being the case that jo Jayshawn was actually
out of our area. He wasn't a resident of York.
He was a resident of Gastonia, North Carolina. And in
knowing this, of course no one is as familiar with him.
But they had been there, they being his friends, had
been there visiting for some time, maybe over the course
of maybe three weeks or so with some friends, and
they were having what they call a kickback and fortunately
just hanging out. Yeah, just hanging out friends, having meals,
you know, having a great time like all of us
have done.
Speaker 1: And three straight weeks or was it like a constant
like it was a back and.
Speaker 2: Forth, Yeah, back and forth and sometime a constant thing,
you know, sometime they stayed over or whatever. But in
this happening, he was basically ambushed. Jayshawn was not there
at the residence thirty minutes at max before unfortunately he
was shot and killed.
Speaker 1: So you mentioned you're asking for help from the community,
and how has how has uh the information flow been
going in the year since the murder. Have you been
getting that kind of help or or has it been
just like lockdown, you're not getting anything.
Speaker 2: Well, No, the assistance has been there from day one.
We have gotten crime stopper tips, We have gotten community tips,
even in the calls that came in that evening and
that night of when this happened. You know, those that
wanted to be helpful have been have been that over
the court of this year. However, we have had some
circumstances of situations where we have information, but we need
more understanding about the information that we have. You know,
one of the things that we tell a lot of
folks in law enforcement, we get a lot of information,
all of it we have to explore. That's what we
do as a detect that we have to go detect.
But sometimes the confirmation we need from that information when
it comes to pursuing charges or placing someone in jail,
we have to ensure that we're one being fair and
impartial and that we actually have that information to pursue prosecution.
That's the hard part right now that I've basically been
faced with in doing and investigating this case. It's just
those that came forward. Some of them they no longer
want to participate. Rather it be fear of any type
of retribution or fear that they just don't want to
be involved. I think that some of us have forgotten
what has truly happened. You know, life has been lost. Yeah,
and you know, not only has a life been lost,
a young life. You know, he was only twenty one.
He also has a young son, He has family. This
could have been any of us, in any of our children.
And I think we have forgotten really the purpose of
why we come forward with information. I think has become
more of a selfish circumstances versus being selfless. But you
also can't force you know, information as well. So that's
why you know, in asking, I'd rather ask than be
silent and not asked for the help. And I've never
been a pollsed. We as law enforcement have never been
a polls to asking for help when we need it.
Speaker 1: Feel free, by the way, lieutenant, if you want to
add anything, you jump right in. Just raise your hand
or something across the table here and jump right in.
If there's anything that you want to add.
Speaker 3: Don't worry, I will, but okay, key over here, is
doing an absolutely fantastic job.
Speaker 1: And I know this is just to me a favor.
Pull your microphone out of that closer to you. That's better.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sorry, hey, but no Key is doing an absolutely
fantastic job. I know she's very passionate about this case,
especially since Joshan was a true victim. A lot of
the different incidents we investigate law enforcement, somebody that is
a quote victim of a crime sometimes contributed to that
criminal activity just a little bit. But Joshan, in this case,
he was a true victim and we want to see
justice for him.
Speaker 1: So is it my understanding? And I said to y'all
before we got on air there, if I ask you
anything that you can't answer, I'm not trying to jeopardize
your investigations to just say you can't answer. But is
it your theory or understanding or knowledge that he was
not the target like they weren't trying to hit him?
Speaker 2: Is my understanding that he was not a target? Like
I said and stated, he was not there at that
residence thirty minutes to kind of give you more of
the backstore, like I said, they were having kickbacks and
friends coming in going He in a group of friends,
three others to be specific, that were their victims themselves
there in the residence. They were literally having dinner with
some female friends. They're laughing, talking, having a great time.
He had just arrived at the house with some groceries.
And understand these are the victim's words, his best friends,
people that know him intimately. He came with some you know,
bag of food, some fries specifically, I think they stayed
a bag of fries and some chicken tenders trying to
contribute to the dinner. The young lady there had already
begun cooking and basically had them taken care of. You
had four friends on their rear back porch of that residence,
just speaking, talking, catching up on good times on life.
And while standing out there talking to one friend, one
of the friends actually maneuvered into the house to grab
his plate, and suddenly shots just started sounding off and firing, firing,
and unfortunately one of those shots actually struck Joshan and
cost him his life.
Speaker 1: So he was on the back porch. Yes, did it
go through the so they were shot at the bullets
went through the house or were they shot out from
the rear.
Speaker 2: The rear of the residence. This is what was shot at.
We were able to retrieve different some projectiles that you
know could be still retrieved from the rear of the residence. Yes,
they did not. In none, None of the projectiles as
far as we have known, evidence wise, penetrated the interior
of the home of the residents where they were is
a duplex one level of course, but there were projectiles
that actually went into that residence. Like I said, it
could have it could have been anyone.
Speaker 1: Is there any indication that this was I mean that
this was a premeditated uh plan you use the word ambush.
This wasn't just some random act of violence.
Speaker 2: No, there are some indications that it was pre planned,
But you have to define pre planed, you know, like basically,
was it premeditated? Yes, you know, that's that's what murder is. Yeah. Now,
was it planning like something you and I may plan
a certain way, were looking over some days and times
and we're just really writing this thing out. No, it
wasn't that intricate, It wasn't that detailed. Old However, was
it planning a plan for a group of individuals specifically,
And I don't have a problem stating this specifically five
individuals from what I've learned through investigations, came together collectively
to decide that they wanted to harm someone else, absolutely, and.
Speaker 1: That someone else was somebody else at that house, not Joshawan.
Speaker 2: Not specifically someone else, but them as a group. Okay, Yeah,
these these basically my understanding from what community members have
shared with me and told me. The group of guys
I know them myself and invest being investigated thus far
at York City Police Department. These group of individuals are
associated with a gang that they a hybrid gang that
they established. Okay. Not I can't say that all of
them are gang members, but they associate with with gang activity.
This was not gang initiated, but them as a group
and how they move behavior wise. It became that this group,
you know, Valley, they call themselves bt TV. I don't
want to give light to that type of behavior.
Speaker 1: You don't want to say their name, no, okay, And.
Speaker 2: It's just specifically because we don't want to give light
to this is you know, this is about mister Young.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what is the you said a hybrid gang? What
does that mean?
Speaker 2: So? Hybrid gangs are just gangs that are kind of
established locally based off of where they reside their environment.
Hybrid being like if we took a screet name and
say that, hey, this is they's say the screet name
is Caramel, this is the this is the Caramel whatever gang. Yeah,
that was what was considered hybrid, but they also take
in practices of some of the more common right gang
behaviors in practice.
Speaker 1: There was a it sounds like an operation uh that
was run in East Charlotte. This is probably fifteen years ago,
and it was along Idle Wild Road and it was yeah,
and they wore camouflage as their colors because it was
an amalgamation basically of crips, bloods and somebody else. But
they all so they all had their own gangs. But
then because they all lived in the same sort of
corridor around each other, they knew each other, went to
school with each other, whatever. They were like, well, we're
all this Idle Wild gang.
Speaker 2: Absolutely location location location that is that is exactly correct.
Speaker 1: Okay, so that's a hybrid gang.
Speaker 2: That's good to know, yes, and associate it with that.
They decided as a group that they did not like
this other group of individuals, males, you know, speaking being
there in their city. Specifically, the verbiage was from the
community member that shared it with me, was that they
made a statement, they being the group of guys from Gastonia,
made a statement that they were going to take over
their city.
Speaker 1: The Gastonia guys said that, Yes. Was that in jests
or was that just like or was that like?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: Is that? Were they gang related in Gastonia? They like
moving in?
Speaker 2: From what I've discovered, they were not. They were just
there present, having a good time.
Speaker 1: So could have been like, yeah, we're moving in, We're
taking over kind of a providing.
Speaker 2: Well, I think it was more so not actually someone
from their group actually said it. I think it was
more insinuated from how they were maneuvering. You know, they
came down in nice looking cars, you know, looked like
they had money. They just simply they be in. The
suspects did not want them in their neighborhood.
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Dot Com talking about this case from a year ago.
Joshhaun Young, twenty one years old of Gastonia, shot and
killed down in York, the City of York, in York
County and in studio with me Detective Kira fi Fayl
Sorry fail and Lieutenant Sean Bailey. So let me ask
why did y'all decide to do this? Because this is
not normal for law enforcement officers to come and sit
and say, hey, let me talk about a case that's active,
and we should point out, right, somebody has been arrested
for this or this crime, right, yes, sir, how and
what can you say about that person?
Speaker 2: What I can say about that person is that we
are pursuing our charges against them in prosecution, and he
is a juvenile. How we will be trying to pursue
those charges in him as an adult.
Speaker 1: So that's still unknown as to whether or not he
will be tried as an adult or not.
Speaker 2: Yes, that is currently it's not unknown. Is something that
I can't currently speak to, okay, but it is.
Speaker 1: Active and he's what he was fifteen, He.
Speaker 2: Was fifteen at the time. I believe he's now sixteen.
Speaker 1: Okay. You believe there are others involved? Are there any
other arrests up besides him?
Speaker 2: There was one other arrest that was another juvenile as
well alongside with him. However, at this time he's not
incarcerated and there are To answer your question, there are
other people of interest.
Speaker 1: And that's what you're asking for help, correct, Okay? And
so why did y'all reach out and do this? Because,
like I said, this is not usual.
Speaker 2: Well, mainly because us one, we deemed it necessary our
community members really assist us and help us. It also
took initiative of me having a conversation with Joshawn's mother
as Shauna Berger, and understanding how this has affected her,
their family, and also the future of Joshawn's son. We
just really felt the need to reach to want to
reach out to our community members and just really ask
for the understanding of that you know, we need your help.
We definitely need your help. The reality is, you know,
with him no longer being with us and the life
being lost him. You know, twenty one years old, he'll
be forever young, and it's unfortunate and this laws and
I just really truly as law enforcement, we want to
help his family seek the justice that they need.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if people have information and want to help, you
can call Crime Stoppers of York County that is at
eight seven seven, four oh nine forty three to twenty one.
You can also visit the website crime stole Oppers of
Yorkcounty dot com. You can also check out the Facebook
page for the City of York the Police Department, or
you can call the York City Police Department directly and
relay information to them that you may have. And one
of the things I've always heard law enforcement say on
this stuff is that you don't know what information you
have that might actually be really really important. And so
even if you don't think it's much of anything, it
could it could make a case.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 1: So is there anything else y'all want to add that
is important or want people to know before we let
you go.
Speaker 2: Just to please just look into yourself and if you
have information, please don't hesitate to reach out, even in
being anonymous. Please we could really use to help.
Speaker 1: Yeah, anything.
Speaker 3: I just want to echo that I greatly appreciate Kiera's
work on this case, everything that she has done. She's
one of our best investigators. This is a very heinous
crime in my life opinion. You know, I've been doing
this job for fifteen years, investigated a lot of shootings.
And if you could see the way that the back
of this house was peppered with bullets, you would know
that there's more than one shooter. And if we only
have one person in custody and we can't figure out
who else it is, we need to get these other
people off the streets. So this way it doesn't happen
to anybody else.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Lieutenant Sean Bailey, that was his voice there, and
Detective Sergeant Kiara Fiall fail I always say it wrong.
Speaker 2: That's absolutely fine.
Speaker 1: Okay. I apologize for mangling the name, but thank you
very much for the work that you're doing. Thanks for
coming in and reaching out. We appreciating good luck on
the case.
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memories that'll last a lifetime. I pointed out when I
was talking with the lieutenant and the sergeant from York
City PD there that it is unusual or law enforcement
agencies and detectives to sit for interviews about cases that
are ongoing that they are you know, actively investigating, and
so I appreciate them doing that, and I like, I'm
I would like to see more. And I told them
this during the break that you know, I got a
press release, and we get press releases from all sorts
of law enforcement agencies and such, and one of them
we get press releases from the District Attorney's office, and
I got one. He's either Monday or yesterday, I forget.
And so I always read them because they're announcing the
outcomes of trials. And they announced the outcome of a
trial of an individual who was charged with murder, assault
with the deadly weapon, and possess of a firearm by
a felon in the murder of a man. I want
to say, this was I think it was a four
year old homicide. And all it said was, you know
guy's name, what he was charged with, not guilty. And
I went through the e court system, went and pulled
the files to see what I could find out about
the case, and there weren't. There were no details, There
was nothing in and maybe it was because the verdict
had just come down or something, but there wasn't anything
else in there. But a guy just just beat the charges,
which to me, it seems, I don't know, seems like
a pretty easy thing to be able to convince twelve
people that hey, this guy's a felon, here's his record,
and he had the gun. But maybe they couldn't connect
him to the gun. I don't know, But a jury
acquitted him unanimously. And so that's another you know, I
shouldn't say unsolved. I was going to say unsolved, but
I'm sure law enforcement believes they did solve that case.
And that's a family of a murder victim that now
doesn't get any kind of justice for that. There's there
are multiple parts of the system that break down, right
if people refuse to cooperate. And it seems like and
the detective made this comment also that people that did
cooperate did provide statements in the past, now now they're
not so willing to do so anymore, and that you
don't know why that happens, but I can I can
take a guess. I can guess a you know, fear
of reprisal. They've been threatened, right, maybe friends or family members,
neighbors are pressuring them or or shunning them if they
think that they're being you know, helpful to law enforcement
to solve a crime. And it's the tragedy in all
of this stuff because the people who suffer the most
are the are the neighbors or the residents, are the
members of the community that live there that now you've
got a criminal element that's living among you, and they
feel like they've got the ability to murder and abuse
their neighbors with impunity. And the only way that that
the only way that that gets fixed is if people
come forward and help to put away the criminals. Otherwise
you're going to be beset by criminality in perpetuity. So yeah,
if anybody has information on that, please reach out to
the York City Police Department along those lines. I came
across this a couple of weeks ago because you hear
a lot about You hear a lot about when we're
talking about gun control efforts and such, or in any
kind of like a mass shooting event, you hear the
arguments about, you know, we can't have people armed. Hearing
this argument in the legislature with regard to the private
schools wanting to allow teachers to conceal carry. Legislation is
moving through Raleigh that would allow them to do that.
So of course there was this pushback, you know, we
shouldn't have you know, the answer isn't more guns. The
answer isn't more guns. Well, there's a new report out
and it's from doctor John Lott. He is from the
Crime Prevention Research Center, along with Carlisle Moody, Professor of
economics emeritus from the College of William and Mary. They
aggregated data and they put out a paper called do
armed civilians stop active shooters more effectively than uniformed police?
It was released last month, and not only did they
find that civilians are effective, they are at least incrementally
more effective than law enforcement. And that may seem counterintuitive.
How's that possible? So the first takeaway is that the
armed and the difficulty here is that you're trying to
get account of how many you know, quote mass shootings,
which there's differing definitions of that. Is it three or
more people? You know, three or more dead, three or
more shot. But if you take somebody, if you take
out a shooter after you know, the guy opens fire
and maybe hits one person, doesn't kill them, and then
the shooter is taken down, does that count as a
mass shooting? Right? So, so aggregating the data is the
first thing, right, getting the definitions right. But if you
do it the way doctor Lotton he's done, you know,
all of this research in the field for decades, He says,
armed citizens have stopped more active shooter incidents than the
police have, although the difference is not significantly different from zero,
so they're a little bit more effective, but not by much.
Armed citizens do not appear to interfere with the police
or blunder so badly as to get their weapon taken
away by the shooter or kill the wrong person either.
So these are the arguments that you hear against arming
people in locations where you know guns are banned, schools,
shopping malls, that kind of thing. Armed citizens have stopped
fifty seven active active shooter events which otherwise were likely
to have escalated into mass public shootings. Now the paper
stresses that this is not a knock on law enforcement
because they are almost never present when the incidents began
in right, which is by design. The shooters plan their
spreeze that way, and in some cases they specifically take
out the police first or the armed security security first,
who arrive on the scene at the beginning of the rampages.
This is one of the things that concealed carry holders
have that is an advantage, which is the shooter doesn't
know they're armed when law enforcement rolls in the shooter does.
Police are less likely to be near an attack when
it occurs, and if they are, they are more likely
to be targeted and killed because they're targeted first, because
they are the biggest threat to the shooter. All Right,
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from a piece over at hot air dot com by
Mitch Berg, spree shootings prompt diametrically different reactions on both
sides of the political aisle. Those on the left demand
that we do something, and that's something, usually some degree
of disarming law abiding citizens. Those on the right point
out that there is in fact a pattern to these episodes.
They tend to happen much more frequently in places where
law abiding citizens are not allowed to legally have firearms.
Spree killers tend to plan their rampages for places with
unarmed victims. That and those who don't. Those who don't
often okain, I'll understand. Those who don't often don't live
to regret it. That oh okay, so they play okay,
I see what he did there. That's an inappropriate use
of the semicolon. Spree killers tend to plan their rampages
for places with unarmed victims, and the killers who don't.
If they don't look for places with unarmed victims, then
they usually don't survive the encounter. So conservatives pro Second
Amendment liberals and yes they do exist. They'll say something
like a good guy with a gun beats a bad
guy with a gun, and leftists usually dismiss that they
poo poo it. But spree killers who spend months or
maybe years planning their rampages are frequently in a disassociated
reverie state as they make their attacks. Resistance of any
kind frequently causes the reverie to break sort of the spell, right,
this trance that they go into. Right, you've been planning
on this thing happening. You're getting all, you know, worked up,
your adrenalines pumping, you get tunnel vision and all of this,
and you start doing You're like, oh my gosh, I'm
doing this. I'm actually doing the thing and moving through
the crowd and all of this, and when somebody starts
to fight back a lot of times it breaks that spell.
This is why a lot of shooters when they write there,
you know, manifestos, I'm not going to survive this and
all that. You know, I'm going to go down. There's
no way I'm to surrender and all this, and then
they do surrender. Why Because in the planning phase they
think they're in this state, right, and then when the
spell is broken, they're cowards. And that's precisely why they
target unarmed people. But if somebody does fight back, it
breaks the spell. They often break off their attacks, they
give up, or they kill themselves. The paper, again, this
was a paper that was released over at well it
was published. Yeah, so it was published at the sister
publication of hot air dot com a website called Bearing Arms.
And it's by doctor John Lott from the Crime Prevention
Research Center and doctor Carlile Moody, the Professor of Economics
emeritus from the College of William and Mary And the
name of the paper is called do armed civilians stop
active shooters more effectively than uniformed police? And so underneath
the all of this, what does the data show? Does
it show that a good guy with a gun can
stop the bad guy with a gun? The paper shows
armed citizens reduce the number of deaths in active shooter
incidents significantly more than the police do. In fact, armed
citizens reduce the number of people killed by forty nine percent,
while the police increase the number killed by sixteen percent
in comparison to the omitted class, which is shooters who
are arrested later or are stopped by unarmed citizens or
stop of their own accord. So This does not mean
that calling the cops results in more deaths. The police
are associated events that are more deadly than either armed
citizen response or other action. However, the results indicate that
police are less effective than armed citizens in reducing the
number of deaths associated with active shooters. So like, this
is uh, this is just another data point. Okay, So
you shouldn't look at this survey, just like you shouldn't
look at any or not survey, but study or any
paper as the end. All be all right. But when
you get enough of these papers done, enough of this
research done, you start to see the picture, you know,
the larger context becomes clearer. And so this is why
whenever any of these you know, mass shootings occur, whatever,
I always wait. I want more information to come out.
But then I am I am happy to have the
conversation about what can we do, because whenever we have
the conversation, I feel like we are winning the argument
that you know, good people that go through the process
get their concealed carry. There are law abiding citizens. This
is precisely the cohort of individuals that you want around
when some maniac shows up at a place where nobody
is expecting to be you know, attacked. And when it
comes to, for example, the legislation up in Raleigh that
would allow teachers at private schools to conceal carry if
they so choose right and they get permission from the
school to do so. I support that. It's a logical response.
It makes sense. So yes, I welcome the debate because
again I feel like we're winning it. All right. That'll
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Speaker 2: M hm.