WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.600 --> 00:00:07.200 Good morning, everybody. Corey used blood history. So today we're 2 00:00:07.240 --> 00:00:09.640 going to take a break from the David Ferry file, 3 00:00:09.679 --> 00:00:11.400 which we're not done yet. We're gonna be on David 4 00:00:11.439 --> 00:00:15.480 Ferry for a while now, but today we're gonna take 5 00:00:15.519 --> 00:00:22.399 a break and we're gonna go through a book written 6 00:00:22.399 --> 00:00:26.199 by Kerry Thornley called Oswald. This is a second book, 7 00:00:26.199 --> 00:00:31.960 if I'm not mistaken, or maybe third. This was written 8 00:00:32.000 --> 00:00:37.119 after the assassination, whereas The Idle Warriors, which we'll read 9 00:00:37.119 --> 00:00:41.280 at some point, that was written before the assassination by 10 00:00:41.320 --> 00:00:46.240 a long time, at like nineteen sixty. So I'm not 11 00:00:46.280 --> 00:00:50.039 sure what to expect in this book, but it's gonna 12 00:00:50.039 --> 00:00:51.840 be packed full of lies, I'll tell you that much, 13 00:00:53.200 --> 00:01:00.359 because carry Thornley is a professional liar. So here we go. 14 00:01:00.679 --> 00:01:02.159 I'm just going to read all the text on all 15 00:01:02.159 --> 00:01:06.239 the pages. This exclusive New Classics House original is not 16 00:01:06.280 --> 00:01:10.719 available in any other form, including the Warren Commissions, one 17 00:01:10.760 --> 00:01:14.439 hundred and six page deposition of the author, a support 18 00:01:14.480 --> 00:01:19.359 of psychological analysis by Albert Ellis, PhD. A biographical verification 19 00:01:19.519 --> 00:01:23.319 by B. A. Simcoe, a fellow marine of Oswalden Thornley, 20 00:01:23.599 --> 00:01:27.159 and an eight page pictorial documentation section and a unique 21 00:01:27.200 --> 00:01:32.040 eulogy to John F. Kennedy by Paul G. Nimark. Just 22 00:01:32.040 --> 00:01:34.439 to point out here be a Simcoe is the guy 23 00:01:34.480 --> 00:01:38.480 who was named years later as his own handler in 24 00:01:38.519 --> 00:01:43.760 the Marines. And Simco worked for a Lieutenant Ballantine, so 25 00:01:43.799 --> 00:01:46.239 that would have been like Marine G two, naval intelligence, 26 00:01:46.319 --> 00:01:50.719 that kind of thing. Buddy Simco is an interesting character. 27 00:01:53.040 --> 00:01:56.000 So Simco gets suck in intelligence when he's in the Marines, 28 00:01:56.040 --> 00:02:00.000 like real early and he worked in intelligence, which Bade 29 00:02:00.280 --> 00:02:01.640 he said, is just being in a room and he's 30 00:02:01.680 --> 00:02:03.359 doing a lot of filing stuff, a lot of filing 31 00:02:03.359 --> 00:02:05.599 paperwork and stuff. I mean, sure there's more to it 32 00:02:05.599 --> 00:02:06.959 than that. He's not going to tell us the truth. 33 00:02:07.959 --> 00:02:12.120 But I remember Simco in his own book said that 34 00:02:14.639 --> 00:02:16.280 he had been in there, in this room and working 35 00:02:16.319 --> 00:02:18.080 in this room, and he went to his boss, who 36 00:02:18.120 --> 00:02:22.319 was Lieutenant Valentine, and he said, look, man, this is 37 00:02:22.360 --> 00:02:24.719 kind of boring. I want to do something else. And 38 00:02:24.840 --> 00:02:28.759 Valentine basically told him that, like this is as high 39 00:02:28.879 --> 00:02:32.360 as it gets. There's no there is no promotion from here. 40 00:02:32.479 --> 00:02:35.680 There is nothing bigger, better that you're going to get. 41 00:02:35.719 --> 00:02:38.840 This is this is the top. This is the upper 42 00:02:38.879 --> 00:02:41.199 echelon of what we do here out of this marine 43 00:02:41.199 --> 00:02:45.280 base out at Santa Anna, And so Simko just stayed 44 00:02:45.280 --> 00:02:47.879 with it. And then he stays in contact with Kerry Thornley. 45 00:02:47.919 --> 00:02:52.439 After Thornley gets out of the Marines. They stay in 46 00:02:52.479 --> 00:02:58.360 touch obviously after the assassination. So Thornley is Thornley, Simcoe 47 00:02:58.400 --> 00:03:09.840 and Balentine, Martin mccauliffe, Kent Courtney brother in law. All 48 00:03:09.879 --> 00:03:12.439 these characters that we've been made aware of by Carry 49 00:03:12.439 --> 00:03:23.120 Thornley are obviously his intelligence handling circle, right, because well, 50 00:03:23.120 --> 00:03:26.000 help all CIA guys only hang with CIA guys, right. 51 00:03:26.039 --> 00:03:28.879 And from the time that Carry Thornley gets to New 52 00:03:29.039 --> 00:03:37.120 Orleans allegedly February sixty one, I don't buy that he 53 00:03:37.240 --> 00:03:39.680 starts hanging out with intelligence people right from the jump, 54 00:03:40.039 --> 00:03:41.360 you know what I mean. And the fact that he 55 00:03:41.360 --> 00:03:44.240 stays in touch with Buddy Simcoe who was in the 56 00:03:44.280 --> 00:03:47.120 Marines with him, who was an intelligence guy in the Marines, 57 00:03:47.680 --> 00:03:50.080 that tells me that there's some other connection there, probably 58 00:03:50.159 --> 00:03:56.199 between Simcoe and maybe Martin mccauliffe. But I don't know 59 00:03:56.360 --> 00:03:58.120 if we can ever figure these things out. I just 60 00:03:58.159 --> 00:04:00.080 don't know that there's enough data to be able to 61 00:04:00.080 --> 00:04:08.000 to make these connections and make them stick. So let 62 00:04:08.000 --> 00:04:11.639 me continue on an illuminating personal analysis of Wylie Harvey 63 00:04:11.639 --> 00:04:15.120 Oswald chose to assassinate President John F. Kennedy, as well 64 00:04:15.120 --> 00:04:18.879 as an iconoclastic critique of how America helped Oswald to 65 00:04:19.079 --> 00:04:23.879 become what he did. The author, twenty seven year old 66 00:04:24.439 --> 00:04:27.480 Kerry Thornley, began writing at the age of fourteen. He 67 00:04:27.560 --> 00:04:30.040 sold his first piece of work to a local newspaper 68 00:04:30.439 --> 00:04:34.240 when he was nineteen, and has since had poems, short stories, 69 00:04:34.240 --> 00:04:38.720 and articles published in the little magazines, including Innovator, a 70 00:04:38.879 --> 00:04:42.560 libertarian newsletter of which he is the editor in chief. 71 00:04:43.279 --> 00:04:47.600 Thornley's interest in philosophy and politics also began early. While 72 00:04:47.600 --> 00:04:50.399 attending high school in Whittier, California, he won a number 73 00:04:50.399 --> 00:04:54.240 of public speaking competitions, including the Voice of Democracy contests, 74 00:04:54.240 --> 00:04:56.759 which I'm telling you that's where he got recruited the 75 00:04:56.800 --> 00:05:00.360 Voice of Democracy contest. After attending the University of Southern 76 00:05:00.360 --> 00:05:03.680 California for one year as a journalism student, he decided 77 00:05:03.720 --> 00:05:07.399 to fulfill a two year active duty obligation assumed earlier 78 00:05:07.560 --> 00:05:11.000 upon joining the Marine Corps Reserve. He was assigned to 79 00:05:11.000 --> 00:05:14.560 El Toro Marine air Station in Santa Anna, California, where 80 00:05:14.639 --> 00:05:18.120 he was to meet Lee Harvey Oswald. Later, Thornley served 81 00:05:18.120 --> 00:05:21.240 in the Far East in the first Marine Aircraft Wing 82 00:05:21.399 --> 00:05:25.360 and distinguished himself again as a public speaker on political 83 00:05:25.360 --> 00:05:29.279 philosophical issues by winning first place in the Wing Technique 84 00:05:29.319 --> 00:05:33.079 of Instruction competition. He was therefore he was therefore sent 85 00:05:33.120 --> 00:05:35.600 to Washington to appear in the finals. Mm hm, I 86 00:05:35.600 --> 00:05:38.600 bet he was. It was shortly after his return to 87 00:05:38.639 --> 00:05:42.399 overseas duty that Thornley read in a newspaper of Oswald's 88 00:05:42.439 --> 00:05:45.000 defection to Russia, and as a result of that, began 89 00:05:45.040 --> 00:05:47.480 work on his first novel, The Idol Warriors, featuring a 90 00:05:47.480 --> 00:05:51.040 protagonist much modeled after this unusual Oswald personality. Goddamn, that's 91 00:05:51.040 --> 00:05:52.600 a long sentence. It shouldn't have been so long. It 92 00:05:52.639 --> 00:05:54.360 could have broken that up. All right, let me just 93 00:05:54.439 --> 00:05:57.319 cover something real here, real quick here, because something has 94 00:05:57.319 --> 00:06:03.639 caught my attention. So he's over in that Japan and yeah, 95 00:06:03.639 --> 00:06:06.680 they're actually this is this is correct, by winning first 96 00:06:06.680 --> 00:06:12.480 place in the Wing Technique of Instruction competition. Yes, it 97 00:06:12.519 --> 00:06:16.000 was an instructor techniques competition exactly. Let's see. I can't 98 00:06:16.000 --> 00:06:18.639 believe this is actually corroborating the data in the marine 99 00:06:18.639 --> 00:06:22.120 files because that's been so skewed. He was therefore sent 100 00:06:22.160 --> 00:06:24.160 to Washington to appear in the finals. So okay. So 101 00:06:24.199 --> 00:06:31.160 he's in fucking Japan, and um he allegedly wins this competition, right, 102 00:06:31.319 --> 00:06:34.199 and gets sent back to Washington. And when you know 103 00:06:34.240 --> 00:06:36.199 what caught me about the data this? You know, I 104 00:06:36.199 --> 00:06:37.480 don't have it in front of me. Let me see 105 00:06:37.480 --> 00:06:40.800 if I can recall when this was, because it struck 106 00:06:40.879 --> 00:06:47.720 me as very odd. I think it was. Well, let 107 00:06:47.759 --> 00:06:52.399 me see. He is out of the Marines by October 108 00:06:52.720 --> 00:06:56.839 of nineteen sixty. This had to been early on, so 109 00:06:56.920 --> 00:07:00.000 it had to have been yes, yes, yes, yes, okay. 110 00:06:59.839 --> 00:07:03.240 So he goes over to Atsugi. He gets into Oswald's 111 00:07:03.319 --> 00:07:07.959 MCS one unit. He starts asking questions about Oswald. He's 112 00:07:08.000 --> 00:07:11.360 taking pictures of people in the unit and things that 113 00:07:11.399 --> 00:07:14.879 are associated with Oswald. And when he's questioned by a 114 00:07:14.879 --> 00:07:18.160 guy named Ronald Schwinghammer, he gives shwing Hammer the name 115 00:07:18.279 --> 00:07:23.240 Rick Thornley. And so he's using an alias for some reason, 116 00:07:25.199 --> 00:07:29.360 and he's gathering information on Oswald. Then Oswald does the defection. 117 00:07:29.519 --> 00:07:32.519 Oswald defects. He goes to the Soviet Union. It is 118 00:07:32.600 --> 00:07:36.439 almost immediately after this defection of the Soviet Union, maybe 119 00:07:36.480 --> 00:07:38.920 within a couple of weeks, that Carrie Thornley will be 120 00:07:38.959 --> 00:07:43.519 sent back from at Sugi, Japan to Washington, where he'll 121 00:07:43.519 --> 00:07:45.600 be for I think three weeks, two or three weeks, 122 00:07:45.959 --> 00:07:49.680 and then he's sent back to Atsugi. That's a really 123 00:07:49.759 --> 00:07:51.839 long way to fly some guy just because he won 124 00:07:51.920 --> 00:07:55.079 a competition. What kind of competition is this? This is 125 00:07:55.120 --> 00:07:57.920 some bullshit. This is some covert ops bullshit. Is what's 126 00:07:57.959 --> 00:08:00.279 going on here? Okay? I want to see the fucking 127 00:08:00.319 --> 00:08:04.079 list of everyone else who entered this contest. Motherfucker winning 128 00:08:04.480 --> 00:08:12.160 contests his whole goddamn life. Give me a break. So yes, 129 00:08:12.439 --> 00:08:16.439 I think that him coming back to Washington has something 130 00:08:16.439 --> 00:08:23.720 to do with Oswald's defection. Maybe it was after he 131 00:08:23.759 --> 00:08:26.879 got back that he starts doing the investigation into Oswald. 132 00:08:27.399 --> 00:08:30.120 That would make a lot more sense. That would make 133 00:08:30.120 --> 00:08:34.000 a lot more sense. Carrie Thornly goes to Atsugi. At 134 00:08:34.000 --> 00:08:36.919 some point, he'll take place in Operation strong Back, which 135 00:08:37.039 --> 00:08:43.399 was an amphibious assault drill that Oswald had taken part 136 00:08:43.399 --> 00:08:46.080 in Operation strong Back, but earlier on it was like 137 00:08:46.120 --> 00:08:48.279 a four month exercise or something along like that. It 138 00:08:48.360 --> 00:08:51.120 was really it was a big exercise that they did. 139 00:08:51.480 --> 00:08:55.320 But Oswald is listed amongst having participated, and so was 140 00:08:55.399 --> 00:08:59.559 Carrie Thornley when he is finally there in nineteen sixty. 141 00:09:01.320 --> 00:09:07.440 So yeah, very interesting stuff. Let me continue on. Though 142 00:09:08.480 --> 00:09:10.480 he was therefore sent to Washington appear in the finals. 143 00:09:10.519 --> 00:09:13.159 It was shortly after his return to overseas duty Thornly 144 00:09:13.200 --> 00:09:16.720 read in the newspaper of Oswald's defection to Russia, and 145 00:09:16.799 --> 00:09:18.759 as a result of that, began work on his first novel, 146 00:09:18.759 --> 00:09:21.840 The Idle Warriors, featuring a protagonist much modeled after unusual 147 00:09:21.919 --> 00:09:26.639 Oswald personality. After leaving the Marine Corps, Thornley moved to 148 00:09:26.720 --> 00:09:29.399 New Orleans, French Quarter, to finish The Idle Warriors and 149 00:09:29.440 --> 00:09:33.519 to gain background material for future writings. Oh really, background 150 00:09:33.559 --> 00:09:37.840 material on what on Oswald? Because that's not that's not 151 00:09:37.879 --> 00:09:40.120 the story. We don't really know why he went to 152 00:09:40.200 --> 00:09:42.120 New Orleans. He was told to go there, obviously by 153 00:09:42.120 --> 00:09:45.960 his handlers. But another thing about Thornley getting to New 154 00:09:46.039 --> 00:09:49.000 Orleans is that the bolton Ford incident occurred in January 155 00:09:49.000 --> 00:09:51.519 of sixty one, and he claims that he got to 156 00:09:53.240 --> 00:09:56.039 New Orleans in February of sixty one. I think he's lying. 157 00:09:56.080 --> 00:09:57.879 I think he was at bolton Ford. At first, I 158 00:09:57.879 --> 00:10:00.200 suspected it was Seymour, because it's always Lawrence had Howard 159 00:10:00.200 --> 00:10:04.360 and William Symore paired up together. But I realized after 160 00:10:04.679 --> 00:10:08.600 Carry Thornley wrote about his association with Leopaldo, who was 161 00:10:08.600 --> 00:10:12.320 definitely Lawrence Howard from the Soviet audio incident. Since he 162 00:10:12.399 --> 00:10:15.840 mentioned being associated with Leopoldo, it broke. It totally made 163 00:10:15.879 --> 00:10:19.120 me realize that, yes, Carry Thornley was probably associating with 164 00:10:19.200 --> 00:10:24.159 Lawrence Howard all the way way back then, which means 165 00:10:24.200 --> 00:10:27.080 he was associating with other people in New Orleans all 166 00:10:27.080 --> 00:10:30.679 the way way back then, whereas his official timeline on 167 00:10:30.720 --> 00:10:35.480 meeting this people is like years later, years later, two years, 168 00:10:35.639 --> 00:10:40.000 a year and a half later. So God, it's so 169 00:10:40.240 --> 00:10:44.080 hard to find truth when everyone's full of shit, you know. 170 00:10:44.279 --> 00:10:46.240 It really is like picking that shit out of Peppa 171 00:10:51.200 --> 00:10:53.399 all right. After leaving the Marine Corps moved, Carry Thornley 172 00:10:53.399 --> 00:10:56.600 moved to New Orleans, French Quarter to he see. He 173 00:10:56.679 --> 00:10:59.600 never really clarifies why he went to New Orleans. I 174 00:10:59.600 --> 00:11:03.799 think maybe he mentioned he had a friend there. I 175 00:11:03.840 --> 00:11:08.000 don't recall I don't recall at some point he's gonna 176 00:11:08.279 --> 00:11:17.080 meet and hook up with Raymond brough Shears. So yeah, 177 00:11:17.120 --> 00:11:19.000 it's very it's cloudy over why he went to New 178 00:11:19.080 --> 00:11:21.159 Orleans in the first place. Obviously he was dispatched there 179 00:11:21.200 --> 00:11:25.799 to participate in this operation at President He lives in 180 00:11:25.840 --> 00:11:28.480 Los Angeles and is working on a second novel plus 181 00:11:28.519 --> 00:11:33.440 a series of philosophical papers for private publication. So that's 182 00:11:33.480 --> 00:11:35.519 the biography of Kerry Thornley got I spent way more 183 00:11:35.559 --> 00:11:37.960 time on that than I wanted to. The fourth New 184 00:11:38.000 --> 00:11:41.279 Classics House original, And this is funny. It's dedicate dedicated 185 00:11:41.320 --> 00:11:44.559 to Clinton Bolton, who first said to me go home 186 00:11:44.559 --> 00:11:46.320 and write you bum Clinton Bolton was one of those 187 00:11:46.320 --> 00:11:49.000 guys in New Orleans, clearly a CIA guy pops up 188 00:11:49.039 --> 00:11:51.919 in a bunch of different circles. But he dedicated this 189 00:11:51.960 --> 00:11:56.799 book to a guy who's clearly a CIA operator or 190 00:11:56.840 --> 00:12:02.799 an intelligence operator, I'll put it that way. Copyright nineteen 191 00:12:02.919 --> 00:12:05.679 sixty five by New Classics House. So he didn't waste 192 00:12:05.720 --> 00:12:09.480 any time in writing this book. His books are tiny, 193 00:12:09.600 --> 00:12:13.720 like two of my chapters, all right, so world renowned. 194 00:12:13.720 --> 00:12:15.720 I'm gonna read everything. We're going to get every single 195 00:12:15.720 --> 00:12:18.200 word in this book. This is like a kind of 196 00:12:18.200 --> 00:12:21.559 introduction here, says world renowned doctor Albert Ellis received a 197 00:12:21.799 --> 00:12:26.399 MA and PhD degrees in clinical psychology from Columbia University. 198 00:12:26.799 --> 00:12:28.960 They went on to teach at Rutgers University and New 199 00:12:29.000 --> 00:12:32.639 York University. He became chief psychologist of the New Jersey 200 00:12:32.679 --> 00:12:37.080 State Diagnostics Center, a fellow of five associations and societies, 201 00:12:37.120 --> 00:12:41.120 including the American Psychological Association and the American Association for 202 00:12:41.200 --> 00:12:44.440 the Advancement of Science, a Diplomat of the American Board 203 00:12:44.440 --> 00:12:47.600 of Examiners and Professional Psychology, and Vice President of the 204 00:12:47.639 --> 00:12:51.480 American Academy of Psychotherapists. For the past twenty years, doctor 205 00:12:51.519 --> 00:12:55.679 Ellis has maintained a private psychotherapy practice, marriage counseling, and 206 00:12:55.720 --> 00:12:58.200 a family counseling in New York City, and is currently 207 00:12:58.279 --> 00:13:01.919 the executive director of the Institute for Rational Living, Inc. 208 00:13:02.080 --> 00:13:04.600 In New York. Along with the publication of over two 209 00:13:04.679 --> 00:13:08.360 hundred of his scientific papers, he's authored or edited more 210 00:13:08.399 --> 00:13:11.519 than twenty books and monographs, including The Art and Science 211 00:13:11.559 --> 00:13:14.840 of Love, Sex Without Guilt, Reason and Emotion in Psychotherapy, 212 00:13:15.960 --> 00:13:22.080 WHAT and The Encyclopedia of Sexual Behavior, The Art and 213 00:13:22.120 --> 00:13:26.320 Science of Love, Sex without sex, without guilt, reason and 214 00:13:26.360 --> 00:13:33.000 emotion in Psychotherapy and the Encyclopedia of Sexual Behavior. M 215 00:13:34.399 --> 00:13:37.799 I'm always weirded out by these like PhD sweater Vest 216 00:13:37.879 --> 00:13:41.879 guys who write about sexual behavior. It's like, are you sure, dude, 217 00:13:43.080 --> 00:13:44.679 been with like three people in your fucking life and 218 00:13:44.679 --> 00:13:51.120 your writing books? Fuck right off seriously. Introduction to Psychology 219 00:13:51.200 --> 00:13:56.399 of Assassination by Albert Ellis, pH D. Carry Thornley's first 220 00:13:56.399 --> 00:13:58.960 hand portrait of Lee Harvey Oswald's the most valuable document 221 00:13:59.000 --> 00:14:01.120 because it gives an illuminate view of the man who 222 00:14:01.200 --> 00:14:03.960 almost certainly murdered President John F. Kennedy and presents him 223 00:14:03.960 --> 00:14:07.320 as the author saw and lived with him several years 224 00:14:07.360 --> 00:14:09.679 before the assassination occurred. Oh he did. When they live 225 00:14:09.720 --> 00:14:12.840 with him, He wasn't in his quantcet hut. Naturally, Mister 226 00:14:12.879 --> 00:14:16.360 Thornley had his own subjective reactions to Oswald, and, as 227 00:14:16.360 --> 00:14:18.840 he frankly states in this book, he had his personal 228 00:14:18.919 --> 00:14:24.279 politico social philosophy which hardly dovetailed with Oswald's. But as 229 00:14:24.360 --> 00:14:32.759 abudding a novelist and one who was perspicacious enough to 230 00:14:32.799 --> 00:14:34.440 some words you just don't need to use. Okay, nobody 231 00:14:34.440 --> 00:14:37.399 needs to flex their intellect by using words like perspicacious, 232 00:14:37.639 --> 00:14:42.080 fuck you, perspicacious enough to see in potential assassin to 233 00:14:42.639 --> 00:14:45.600 a unique individual who could well serve as a protagonist 234 00:14:45.679 --> 00:14:48.720 for the great American novel which he then hoped to write. 235 00:14:49.080 --> 00:14:52.879 Thornley was beautifully equipped to study and delineate Oswald's character, 236 00:14:53.279 --> 00:14:55.960 and is doubtful whether we shall ever have a more 237 00:14:56.039 --> 00:15:00.200 faithful picture of this complex and aberated human being than 238 00:15:00.240 --> 00:15:02.559 is presented in some of the vignettes of him in 239 00:15:02.639 --> 00:15:08.440 this book. I am fortunately in something of the same accurate, predictive, 240 00:15:09.440 --> 00:15:14.480 predictive position as Thornley regarding my diagnostic impressions of Oswald. 241 00:15:14.679 --> 00:15:19.320 For immediately after President Kennedy's assassination, Lyle Stewart, who publishes 242 00:15:19.360 --> 00:15:22.200 many of my books and who was also the editor 243 00:15:22.559 --> 00:15:27.039 and publisher of the unusual monthly periodical The Independent, asked 244 00:15:27.039 --> 00:15:29.360 me to do a piece on the psychology of assassination. 245 00:15:29.879 --> 00:15:32.240 I quickly wrote such an article, which was then included 246 00:15:32.279 --> 00:15:34.600 in the November nineteen sixty three issue of The Independent. 247 00:15:35.159 --> 00:15:38.039 Although at that time I only had a pot pirie 248 00:15:38.279 --> 00:15:40.919 of newspaper reports to go by, it was apparent to 249 00:15:40.919 --> 00:15:45.279 me Lee Harvey Oswald was an exceptionally disturbed individual, and 250 00:15:45.320 --> 00:15:48.679 I had said so in no uncertain terms. Later published material, 251 00:15:48.720 --> 00:15:51.799 including that in the report of the Warren Commission, and 252 00:15:51.840 --> 00:15:54.200 now the present book by Kerry Thornley, has much more 253 00:15:54.240 --> 00:15:57.799 fully documented my original impressions of Oswald and the motives 254 00:15:57.799 --> 00:16:01.159 for his crime. So if O were interest in crowing, 255 00:16:01.320 --> 00:16:03.399 I could well throw out my chest and say I 256 00:16:03.440 --> 00:16:06.919 told you so. More to the point, however, I am 257 00:16:07.000 --> 00:16:11.159 interested in augmenting and substantiating my original thesis on Oswald 258 00:16:11.200 --> 00:16:14.440 and the psychology of assassination. So let me now attempt 259 00:16:14.480 --> 00:16:16.600 to do this by using some of Thornley's first hand 260 00:16:16.600 --> 00:16:20.960 impressions of President Kennedy's presumed assassin, as well as material 261 00:16:21.039 --> 00:16:25.279 from other reputable sources. Let me say at the start 262 00:16:26.200 --> 00:16:28.480 what I said in my original article that although on 263 00:16:28.519 --> 00:16:31.879 the surface assassination may seem to be a cold blooded 264 00:16:31.879 --> 00:16:36.919 result of political choice, it actually rarely is. Contemporary assassins 265 00:16:36.919 --> 00:16:41.200 are almost always exceptionally deranged individuals, many of them, in fact, 266 00:16:41.240 --> 00:16:44.080 such as Jack Ruby, the murderer of the Oswald, seem 267 00:16:44.159 --> 00:16:47.759 to have no political motive whatever, And even the most 268 00:16:47.759 --> 00:16:51.159 notorious killer of all time, Adolf Hitler, was obviously not 269 00:16:51.200 --> 00:16:54.919 merely fighting for German or even Aryan interests. When he 270 00:16:55.279 --> 00:16:58.080 sent out his trained gunman to exterminate his political foes, 271 00:16:58.600 --> 00:17:01.399 he was clearly and unusually just disturbed, terribly anxious and 272 00:17:01.440 --> 00:17:05.680 hostile individual who was personally motivated to kill, quite apart 273 00:17:05.759 --> 00:17:09.039 from the socioeconomic views which he may have quite sincerely, 274 00:17:09.279 --> 00:17:13.119 if benightedly held. You know, this is why I hate 275 00:17:13.119 --> 00:17:17.039 these PhD motherfuckers. Dude, for real, they have no idea 276 00:17:17.119 --> 00:17:19.839 what the fuck they're talking about. You want experience to understand, 277 00:17:19.839 --> 00:17:21.720 you want to understand the human mind, Go out and 278 00:17:22.319 --> 00:17:25.279 deal with people. I don't think I could have gotten 279 00:17:25.640 --> 00:17:32.160 a better experience in human psychology than being a cop 280 00:17:32.240 --> 00:17:34.440 for the eight years that I was on the road. 281 00:17:35.759 --> 00:17:40.400 Oh my god. You see the same patterns over and 282 00:17:40.440 --> 00:17:42.960 over and over and over and over and over again. 283 00:17:44.079 --> 00:17:46.559 People lying right to your face every fucking day, all day, 284 00:17:46.599 --> 00:17:48.519 which is what everyone does when they deal with the cops. 285 00:17:48.839 --> 00:17:54.440 Maybe inadvertently, I don't care if it's witness, suspect, whatever, bystander, 286 00:17:54.559 --> 00:18:00.000 doesn't matter. Everyone inserts their own agenda into their observations. 287 00:18:00.039 --> 00:18:03.039 It's inevitable, it always happens, and so day after day 288 00:18:03.799 --> 00:18:05.480 you really get a hold for the different types of 289 00:18:05.480 --> 00:18:08.079 people that are out there, what different bullshit they're going 290 00:18:08.160 --> 00:18:09.960 to say to try to cover up for their bullshit. 291 00:18:10.640 --> 00:18:13.000 I mean, like, you really get a firm grasp on 292 00:18:13.079 --> 00:18:17.839 the human condition, you know, after interviewing ten thousand fucking 293 00:18:17.920 --> 00:18:22.880 witnesses in relation to crime? Right? So yeah, So I 294 00:18:22.920 --> 00:18:25.559 read these fucking PhDs and I'm like, dude, you've never 295 00:18:25.599 --> 00:18:27.839 interacted with a fucking human being in your life. You're 296 00:18:27.880 --> 00:18:31.400 fucking idiot. You can't learn about people from fucking books. 297 00:18:31.759 --> 00:18:34.720 You can only learn about people from people. That's why 298 00:18:34.799 --> 00:18:38.440 having life experiences so goddamn important to being just a 299 00:18:38.440 --> 00:18:44.400 half decent investigator. All right, let me continue on. So too, 300 00:18:44.599 --> 00:18:46.680 is there good reason to believe that most members of 301 00:18:46.720 --> 00:18:50.200 revolutionary groups such as the anarchists of the nineteenth century Russia, 302 00:18:50.240 --> 00:18:54.599 which openly advocate political assassination, adhere to their creeds of 303 00:18:54.680 --> 00:18:57.799 violence because they want to kill, and not merely because 304 00:18:57.839 --> 00:19:02.799 they have dispassionately figured out that this is really an 305 00:19:02.839 --> 00:19:06.440 effective method of backing up the ideologies in which they believe. 306 00:19:07.680 --> 00:19:09.960 What are some of the main psychological factors that drive 307 00:19:10.000 --> 00:19:14.839 people to assassinate political figures. These impotence and self hatred. 308 00:19:15.599 --> 00:19:19.319 Assassins such as Lee Harvey Oswald are often individuals who, 309 00:19:19.319 --> 00:19:22.359 although they are not basically stupid, have been so seriously 310 00:19:22.400 --> 00:19:25.759 emotionally disturbed all their lives that they have been highly 311 00:19:25.759 --> 00:19:28.960 inept in getting what they want out of life. They 312 00:19:29.039 --> 00:19:32.880 usually have poor interpersonal relations, They are unable to work 313 00:19:32.920 --> 00:19:37.480 steadily on interesting or well paying jobs, and they characteristically 314 00:19:37.480 --> 00:19:40.359 get rejected by friends, acquaintances, members of the other sex, 315 00:19:40.599 --> 00:19:43.200 and even political groups are countries to which they would 316 00:19:43.240 --> 00:19:46.640 like to swear allegiance. Because of their inherent low estimations 317 00:19:46.640 --> 00:19:49.839 of themselves, they keep failing at one task after another, 318 00:19:50.200 --> 00:19:53.319 and then they use their failures as evidence that they 319 00:19:53.359 --> 00:19:57.359 are really worthless and must necessarily keep failing, rather than 320 00:19:57.400 --> 00:20:01.000 consciously admit to themselves, however, that they are wo fully inadequate, 321 00:20:01.319 --> 00:20:04.319 and that they therefore better do something drastic to change 322 00:20:04.359 --> 00:20:08.480 their ways. They frequently build up defensive hostility against others 323 00:20:08.559 --> 00:20:12.319 and insist that they are being persecuted by these others. Consequently, 324 00:20:12.400 --> 00:20:15.640 they hate bosses, official statesmen, and other authority figures and 325 00:20:15.720 --> 00:20:19.000 insist that is these bastards who are keeping them down. 326 00:20:19.359 --> 00:20:21.880 They cannot, of course, acknowledge the hard work and refusal 327 00:20:21.920 --> 00:20:25.160 to be downed by physical and other handicaps that are 328 00:20:25.240 --> 00:20:30.000 characteristic of statesmen such as Kennedy, since such an acknowledgment 329 00:20:30.039 --> 00:20:33.480 would spotlight their own tendencies to goof in the face 330 00:20:33.519 --> 00:20:37.680 of even minor difficulties, So they often become insanely jealous 331 00:20:37.680 --> 00:20:40.880 of outstanding achievers, insists that they do not truly deserve 332 00:20:40.920 --> 00:20:44.240 their places of eminence, and bitterly resolve that something must 333 00:20:44.279 --> 00:20:46.720 be done to annihilate them and drag them from the 334 00:20:46.720 --> 00:20:51.839 positions they have unfairly won. Typical of the impotence and 335 00:20:51.960 --> 00:20:56.720 self hatred that Lee Harvey Oswald felt for himself is 336 00:20:57.000 --> 00:21:01.559 that in his case, as Thornleigh Cleary clearly points out, 337 00:21:01.640 --> 00:21:05.039 despair it would appear existed, but it was not despair 338 00:21:05.119 --> 00:21:09.279 with resignation. Rather, Oswald exhibited something quite prevalent in our 339 00:21:09.279 --> 00:21:13.160 culture today, frantic despair. Like so many despairing and self 340 00:21:13.200 --> 00:21:16.400 deprecating people, Oswald apparently had to believe that there were 341 00:21:16.440 --> 00:21:19.480 special reasons for his not succeeding in life, so he 342 00:21:19.519 --> 00:21:25.000 became defensively paranoid and wishful. Thinkingly got himself to discern 343 00:21:25.559 --> 00:21:28.720 that others were deliberately picking on him and blocking his way. Okay, 344 00:21:28.799 --> 00:21:32.319 let me comment on this real quick. So we got 345 00:21:32.319 --> 00:21:34.240 to remember Oswald died at the age of twenty four. 346 00:21:34.519 --> 00:21:37.720 He's in Russia at the age of like twenty or 347 00:21:37.759 --> 00:21:42.599 was it even twenty. Yeah, he's about twenty. So what 348 00:21:42.640 --> 00:21:45.160 are we talking about, thinking that you're a failure in life. 349 00:21:45.240 --> 00:21:48.079 He was a child, he was just getting started. He 350 00:21:48.119 --> 00:21:50.440 goes to Russia, doesn't work out, He's like, okay, great, 351 00:21:50.519 --> 00:21:52.519 let me come back. He comes back, He's already got 352 00:21:52.559 --> 00:21:55.400 a wife and a child. He's already got a wife 353 00:21:55.400 --> 00:21:57.720 and a child, and I don't buy for a split second. 354 00:21:57.799 --> 00:22:00.400 He ever lived at any of the boarding houses period, 355 00:22:01.599 --> 00:22:04.519 so they were always together. So that's a win in 356 00:22:04.559 --> 00:22:07.799 his book. All he needed to do was find steady employment, 357 00:22:09.000 --> 00:22:13.839 you know, and a possible career paths. Right, And so 358 00:22:13.920 --> 00:22:15.319 when they say he was a failure in life, what 359 00:22:15.359 --> 00:22:17.920 are you talking about? What are you talking about? By 360 00:22:18.039 --> 00:22:19.480 the age of twenty four, the guy had done a 361 00:22:19.480 --> 00:22:22.200 ton of shit, went into the Marines, went over to Japan, 362 00:22:22.279 --> 00:22:24.559 he goes and lives in the Soviet Union. I mean, 363 00:22:24.599 --> 00:22:26.000 he did a lot of things by the age of 364 00:22:26.000 --> 00:22:28.319 twenty four. So when you hear people say things like 365 00:22:28.839 --> 00:22:31.319 he was frustrated because he was a failure. What the 366 00:22:31.480 --> 00:22:35.599 fuck are you talking about? What are you talking about? 367 00:22:36.400 --> 00:22:44.720 Zero evidence for any of this stuff? Jesus all right, 368 00:22:44.759 --> 00:22:52.039 where was I? As Thornleigh succinctly notes, I don't think 369 00:22:55.359 --> 00:22:57.240 he was consciously perhaps aware of the fact that he 370 00:22:57.319 --> 00:22:59.039 went out of his way to get in trouble. I 371 00:22:59.039 --> 00:23:01.400 think it was kind of necess to him to believe 372 00:23:01.480 --> 00:23:04.319 that he was being picked on. It wasn't anything extreme. 373 00:23:04.759 --> 00:23:07.519 I wouldn't go so far as to call him a paranoid, 374 00:23:07.599 --> 00:23:11.240 but there was a definite tendency in that direction. And again, 375 00:23:11.359 --> 00:23:14.720 I think perhaps the feeling of being persecuted was necessary 376 00:23:14.759 --> 00:23:18.359 to his self esteem. This is, I understand, a common thing, 377 00:23:18.640 --> 00:23:20.839 and it certainly fits in with everything else I know 378 00:23:20.880 --> 00:23:26.359 about him. The more Important Commission, in its official summary 379 00:23:26.359 --> 00:23:32.359 of Oswald's condition, concurs he used his Marxist and associated 380 00:23:32.400 --> 00:23:37.160 activities as excuses for his difficulties in getting along in 381 00:23:37.200 --> 00:23:41.480 the world, which were usually caused by entirely different factors. However, 382 00:23:41.640 --> 00:23:45.440 arrogant and superior then Oswald appeared on the surface to be. 383 00:23:46.000 --> 00:23:49.279 It is evident that he always had deep seated feelings 384 00:23:49.279 --> 00:23:52.160 of self deprecation and that much of his external swagger 385 00:23:52.200 --> 00:23:55.400 and violence was an unconscious attempt to deny or cover 386 00:23:55.480 --> 00:24:00.359 up these feelings lack of frustration tolerance. Political change of 387 00:24:00.359 --> 00:24:03.720 a profound nature. Invariably it takes a considerable period of 388 00:24:03.720 --> 00:24:07.400 time to achieve. Even long after significant revolution such as 389 00:24:07.440 --> 00:24:11.119 the American Revolution and the Russian Revolution have occurred, numerous 390 00:24:11.240 --> 00:24:14.799 vestiges of the old regimes survive, and it is only 391 00:24:15.000 --> 00:24:18.240 as a result of constant vigilance and action on the 392 00:24:18.240 --> 00:24:20.720 part of the revolutionists that many of their aims are 393 00:24:20.720 --> 00:24:25.720 finally achieved. Political assassins, however, usually are individuals with low frustration, 394 00:24:25.839 --> 00:24:30.079 tolerance and lack of prolonged discipline, who want, or rather 395 00:24:30.240 --> 00:24:33.920 demand what they want when they want it, which means 396 00:24:33.960 --> 00:24:37.559 immediate promto right now. However worthy their causes may be 397 00:24:37.920 --> 00:24:41.079 or may seem to them to be, they're not willing 398 00:24:41.119 --> 00:24:44.200 to keep working to achieve these goals, and they impatiently 399 00:24:44.440 --> 00:24:48.079 and to a large extent mystically, believe that they will 400 00:24:48.119 --> 00:24:52.599 be able to attain them one fell dramatic swoop, sudden 401 00:24:52.640 --> 00:24:57.559