WEBVTT 1 00:00:15.880 --> 00:00:18.320 Coming to you from the dining room table at East 2 00:00:18.440 --> 00:00:23.839 Barbary Lane. Welcome to our season three finale. This episode 3 00:00:23.879 --> 00:00:26.800 is brought to you by Decanta jug Wine and an 4 00:00:26.800 --> 00:00:29.280 election that has left us all beyond stunned. 5 00:00:30.000 --> 00:00:32.759 We're all finding out together what happens when we put 6 00:00:32.799 --> 00:00:36.600 a fascist, convicted criminal back into the highest office in 7 00:00:36.640 --> 00:00:40.320 the world. So please sit back and revisit some highlights 8 00:00:40.320 --> 00:00:42.039 from each episode of season three. 9 00:00:42.560 --> 00:00:45.719 As we enter season four, we've decided to pivot and 10 00:00:45.799 --> 00:00:50.439 focus more on queer joy and queer excellence and keep 11 00:00:50.479 --> 00:00:54.439 our bitching laser focused into a minimum for all of 12 00:00:54.439 --> 00:00:55.119 our sanity. 13 00:00:55.759 --> 00:00:57.719 I'm your host Charles Tyson Jr. 14 00:00:57.880 --> 00:01:01.000 And I'm your host Martha Madrigal. Welcome to the Full 15 00:01:01.039 --> 00:01:06.120 Circle Table. This first episode of season three is brought 16 00:01:06.159 --> 00:01:09.799 to you by Decanta jug Wine and Oscar Night. 17 00:01:11.439 --> 00:01:21.519 Good evening, dear ones. I wrestled with the words to 18 00:01:21.560 --> 00:01:28.200 share with you today. I do not suffer platitudes well 19 00:01:29.200 --> 00:01:34.480 as we come together over the consequences of hateful rhetoric 20 00:01:35.280 --> 00:01:42.879 and deadly legislation. Yet again, I will never be consoled 21 00:01:43.319 --> 00:01:46.480 by those who claim they speak for a God who 22 00:01:46.560 --> 00:01:52.719 does not love her own children, all of her children. 23 00:01:54.599 --> 00:02:04.040 I'm angry yet again, when I cannot clearly see the 24 00:02:04.159 --> 00:02:09.680 road ahead. Through these two familiar tears, I thankfully remember 25 00:02:10.919 --> 00:02:13.840 the only advice I've probably ever taken. 26 00:02:15.520 --> 00:02:17.039 Keep going. 27 00:02:20.159 --> 00:02:27.680 Yet another family faces an unspeakable grief, a grief that 28 00:02:27.879 --> 00:02:34.719 terrifies them and us to our core. Next Benedict joined 29 00:02:34.719 --> 00:02:36.360 the ancestors too. 30 00:02:36.240 --> 00:02:39.120 Soon for our comprehension. 31 00:02:41.120 --> 00:02:45.879 Compassionate onlookers will say, let me know if there's anything 32 00:02:46.000 --> 00:02:46.719 I can do. 33 00:02:48.319 --> 00:02:49.120 Well, listen up. 34 00:02:51.639 --> 00:02:56.159 Next belong to a generation that holds enormous promise for 35 00:02:56.360 --> 00:03:02.800 better days for gender expansive humans. The best of the 36 00:03:02.879 --> 00:03:09.479 generations that have come after mine is so very good. 37 00:03:10.719 --> 00:03:13.520 They are so much more willing to say, tell me 38 00:03:13.639 --> 00:03:20.639 who you are, so I may know you properly. But 39 00:03:20.800 --> 00:03:25.800 even in a generation where our people are better understood 40 00:03:26.599 --> 00:03:32.319 and more often welcomed, some still become infected with a 41 00:03:32.400 --> 00:03:42.080 worldview insistent on othering us out of existence. Our voices 42 00:03:42.199 --> 00:03:51.240 remain to tell our stories, to tell NeXT's story, because 43 00:03:51.360 --> 00:03:59.039 love is listening. I know it's often hard to believe that, 44 00:04:00.280 --> 00:04:04.240 but I know all is never lost. 45 00:04:06.400 --> 00:04:11.039 In my life. Through many beliefs, I have. 46 00:04:10.960 --> 00:04:16.800 Collected far too many losses and awarded far too much grief, 47 00:04:17.439 --> 00:04:21.639 never quite knowing where to put the next one or 48 00:04:21.720 --> 00:04:29.399 the next. And I have been blessedly surrounded by chosen family, 49 00:04:30.160 --> 00:04:35.519 friends and true allies who embrace me on my darkest 50 00:04:35.600 --> 00:04:43.040 days and let my tears soak through their clothes. They 51 00:04:43.120 --> 00:04:46.639 remind me with their deeds as they lift my head 52 00:04:46.720 --> 00:04:55.920 and point the way back out here. And they remind me. 53 00:04:57.360 --> 00:05:00.360 To rEFInd my joy. 54 00:05:02.439 --> 00:05:08.199 Because our joy, our trends and queer and envy, joy, 55 00:05:08.519 --> 00:05:19.800 is iridescent and magical. One brilliant superpower among many love 56 00:05:20.319 --> 00:05:27.959 is listening. We find ourselves in a fight we did 57 00:05:28.279 --> 00:05:35.040 not call. Our lives have been deeply politicized. We did 58 00:05:35.079 --> 00:05:42.079 not ask to be anyone's politics. We never asked to 59 00:05:42.120 --> 00:05:48.560 be anyone's other for the sin of authenticity. So many 60 00:05:48.639 --> 00:05:52.600 of us know the pain of separation and division. But 61 00:05:52.720 --> 00:05:59.600 we are not the dividers. We are working tirelessly to 62 00:05:59.680 --> 00:06:06.879 be the survivors. Those of us who experience gender differently 63 00:06:07.519 --> 00:06:13.160 from the masses have always been here. We are not new, 64 00:06:14.480 --> 00:06:21.759 and we certainly aren't going anywhere. Why so many of 65 00:06:21.839 --> 00:06:25.399 us had to be tempered and feted garbage I can't 66 00:06:25.439 --> 00:06:26.560 begin to say. 67 00:06:26.720 --> 00:06:31.560 But we have that does not make us weaker. 68 00:06:32.319 --> 00:06:39.560 Trust and the transcestors that stand behind me and among you. 69 00:06:40.199 --> 00:06:46.000 This evening crawled so I could walk, and I will 70 00:06:46.079 --> 00:06:48.600 walk that others will run. 71 00:06:51.839 --> 00:06:54.759 This episode is brought to you by Decanta, jug wine 72 00:06:54.759 --> 00:07:00.000 and the iridescence of irrepressible queer Joy. 73 00:07:00.319 --> 00:07:03.759 And I finally decided to look and see, because whenever 74 00:07:03.800 --> 00:07:07.920 I see this person's name, who I only referred to 75 00:07:08.000 --> 00:07:12.279 as coon face ocelot meaning Candace owns Yeah, Noice, I 76 00:07:12.279 --> 00:07:15.680 didn't say it. I tend to look the other way, 77 00:07:15.759 --> 00:07:18.639 but this felt a little You were not a fan, 78 00:07:19.040 --> 00:07:22.879 not even a little tiny bit, and never happened. Nope, Nope. 79 00:07:23.199 --> 00:07:27.000 So Ben Shapiro, who we also don't like. 80 00:07:27.319 --> 00:07:29.439 No, we don't like him either. I haven't come up 81 00:07:29.439 --> 00:07:31.040 with so funny when they eat their own. 82 00:07:31.000 --> 00:07:32.439 Right, I haven't come up with a witty name for 83 00:07:32.519 --> 00:07:38.040 him yet. Ben Shapiro's the Daily Wire Sever's ties with. 84 00:07:38.240 --> 00:07:43.079 Can't say it, Candace olens after her embrace of anti 85 00:07:43.079 --> 00:07:48.279 Semitic rhetoric, Right, yeah, she got who's signing your chest? 86 00:07:48.439 --> 00:07:53.959 She got too awful for Ben Shapiro, Ben got damned Shapiro. 87 00:07:54.120 --> 00:07:59.800 Yes that is what happened. Yeah, it had sever ties 88 00:07:59.800 --> 00:08:02.879 with her, who has ignited a torrent of backlash in 89 00:08:02.959 --> 00:08:07.839 recent months for her repeated embrace of anti Semitic rhetoric. 90 00:08:08.360 --> 00:08:15.240 She went too far. Oh yeah, Daily Wire and her 91 00:08:15.519 --> 00:08:19.519 have ended their relationship. The chief executive of Daily Wire 92 00:08:19.560 --> 00:08:22.600 set in a statement she confirmed the news and her 93 00:08:22.639 --> 00:08:27.000 own post, writing the rumors are true, I am finally free. Wow. 94 00:08:28.240 --> 00:08:34.960 Oh yeah. She promotes, of course, misinformation conspiracy theories on 95 00:08:35.039 --> 00:08:38.679 a wide range of topics, from vaccines to immigrants, and 96 00:08:38.799 --> 00:08:42.639 joined The Daily Wire in twenty twenty one. They've stood 97 00:08:42.639 --> 00:08:46.279 by her over the years despite her penchant for trafficking 98 00:08:46.399 --> 00:08:52.240 in extremist and dishonest rhetoric. But since the October seven 99 00:08:52.279 --> 00:08:56.879 Hamas terror attack on Israel, Owens has repeatedly waded into 100 00:08:57.000 --> 00:09:02.519 anti Semitic waters as she fiercely criticized Israel, suggesting the 101 00:09:02.600 --> 00:09:07.320 Jewish government was committing genocide in Gaza and claiming there 102 00:09:07.399 --> 00:09:10.720 was a sinister small ring of Jewish people in Hollywood 103 00:09:10.759 --> 00:09:17.399 and Washington, d C. Involved in something quite sinister. In November, Shapiro, 104 00:09:17.600 --> 00:09:21.919 who by the way, is Jewish, called down Owens for 105 00:09:21.960 --> 00:09:26.639 her disgraceful rhetoric, blasting her faux sophistication on the topic. 106 00:09:27.519 --> 00:09:29.799 I love it when they do this to themselves. Ah, 107 00:09:30.120 --> 00:09:33.919 without directly naming Shapiro, Owens responded that one cannot serve 108 00:09:33.960 --> 00:09:37.759 both God and money. Oh my God, how, oh my, 109 00:09:38.000 --> 00:09:43.159 the irony, the fucking irony. Oh my. She said that. 110 00:09:44.360 --> 00:09:47.919 She said that, you're right, honey, you can't. God knows 111 00:09:48.039 --> 00:09:52.720 you don't serve God. You do serve money. Wow, as 112 00:09:52.799 --> 00:09:55.759 you serve up your people, a brazen dig at the 113 00:09:55.840 --> 00:09:58.840 Dalliwire co founder that was drenched in an age old 114 00:09:58.879 --> 00:10:03.799 anti Semitic rope at the time. Shabiro hit back, Candice, 115 00:10:03.840 --> 00:10:06.200 if you feel that taking money from the Daily Wire 116 00:10:06.360 --> 00:10:09.960 somehow comes between you and God, by all means quit. 117 00:10:10.919 --> 00:10:14.720 She then attacks Shapiro in an interview with Tucker Carlson, 118 00:10:15.000 --> 00:10:20.000 Oh Good God, who was fired last year for Fox News, 119 00:10:20.080 --> 00:10:24.639 accusing him of ad hominem attacks. In recent days, she 120 00:10:24.759 --> 00:10:28.639 has continued to generate more controversy, liking a post on 121 00:10:29.080 --> 00:10:31.399 x in which a user accused a rabbi of being 122 00:10:31.519 --> 00:10:33.480 drunk on Christian blood. 123 00:10:34.799 --> 00:10:35.440 Yeah what. 124 00:10:39.159 --> 00:10:41.879 Her behavior earned her the praise of those pushing hatred 125 00:10:42.080 --> 00:10:46.919 of the Jewish community, which the Anti Defamation League noted Thursday, 126 00:10:47.720 --> 00:10:50.720 when it blasted her for pushing an anti Semitic agenda 127 00:10:51.279 --> 00:10:55.559 and fueling the fire of hate. She responded by accusing 128 00:10:55.639 --> 00:11:00.279 the ADL of having turned their smear merchant guns on her. 129 00:11:00.679 --> 00:11:02.759 Their attacks will have the opposite effect. 130 00:11:03.559 --> 00:11:08.159 M h awaken world. Wow, it's a little too close 131 00:11:08.200 --> 00:11:09.440 to WHOA what you go and do? 132 00:11:09.519 --> 00:11:16.679 Girl? I'm thinking it is. She still maintains a large platform. Yeah, 133 00:11:16.960 --> 00:11:20.039 she's famous in right wing circles, both millions of followers 134 00:11:20.080 --> 00:11:23.960 across her various social media accounts. She was suspended from 135 00:11:24.000 --> 00:11:29.039 YouTube in September for anti LGBTQ commentary repeatedly Yeah, after 136 00:11:29.120 --> 00:11:32.919 violating the platform's rules on hate speech. Long a supporter 137 00:11:33.159 --> 00:11:38.879 of Trump, amplifying his culture warrior rhetoric to her younger 138 00:11:39.240 --> 00:11:40.320 online audience. 139 00:11:41.200 --> 00:11:43.759 She still has a proble a platform, but she ain't 140 00:11:43.799 --> 00:11:44.399 got no job. 141 00:11:44.519 --> 00:11:47.080 She called Trump not just the leader of the free world, 142 00:11:47.159 --> 00:11:50.240 but the savior of it as well. In twenty eighteen, 143 00:11:51.120 --> 00:11:54.519 she was photographed with a mcgannady UFC event in Las Vegas. 144 00:11:54.559 --> 00:11:58.120 Last month, It's fight night, she wrote in a photocoption. 145 00:11:58.399 --> 00:12:07.440 Fighters only what I love and they promote anti quer 146 00:12:07.480 --> 00:12:12.279 themes and tropes on this bullshit Matt Walsh. Yeah, is 147 00:12:12.960 --> 00:12:18.320 employed there demonizes of course, gantrans people in his program. Yeah, 148 00:12:18.360 --> 00:12:21.960 so it's it's it's a complete trash organization. But they 149 00:12:22.039 --> 00:12:26.360 just took out you're too trashy for us because you 150 00:12:26.879 --> 00:12:31.639 came after the people who pay your uh huh. 151 00:12:31.000 --> 00:12:32.279 You sought the wrong dick. 152 00:12:32.919 --> 00:12:41.960 Apparently apparently she likes I uncircumcised or something. I don't know. Yeah, 153 00:12:41.960 --> 00:12:44.519 but the whole thing, like the whole thing, it's like, okay, good, 154 00:12:44.600 --> 00:12:48.879 eat your own. She is such anable, good, good, good good. 155 00:12:49.080 --> 00:12:52.000 She just deplorable. So, but so is Ben Shapiro, and 156 00:12:52.039 --> 00:12:54.480 so is my and so is that whole organization. 157 00:12:54.679 --> 00:12:56.759 She better pray another one of her low white boys 158 00:12:56.799 --> 00:12:58.440 gives her a job, because otherwise she don't have a 159 00:12:58.440 --> 00:12:59.600 friend in the fucking world. 160 00:12:59.639 --> 00:13:01.279 Because you know, I know where the god money thing 161 00:13:01.360 --> 00:13:04.200 comes from. But here's the thing. You know, if you 162 00:13:04.320 --> 00:13:08.559 make your money lying about other human beings, fuck off, right, 163 00:13:08.919 --> 00:13:12.399 And they all do. Every one of those people makes 164 00:13:12.440 --> 00:13:16.720 money by lying about marginalized people. So all of you, 165 00:13:17.320 --> 00:13:21.120 all of you really did deserve each other. But they 166 00:13:21.720 --> 00:13:23.240 disinvited her to the picnic. 167 00:13:23.320 --> 00:13:25.759 The only reason why she had a job was because 168 00:13:25.799 --> 00:13:29.000 she had pushed herself forward as one of the quote 169 00:13:29.039 --> 00:13:32.720 good ones, and now she don't even have that. Black 170 00:13:32.759 --> 00:13:35.919 people don'e wrote her off. Of course, at least a 171 00:13:36.000 --> 00:13:41.000 decade ago. There's like two you know, maybe she like 172 00:13:41.200 --> 00:13:44.879 the three or five conservative black people might care about her, 173 00:13:45.080 --> 00:13:46.399 but who gives a fuck about them? 174 00:13:46.480 --> 00:13:49.519 Well, and maybe the family own her payroll maybe, but 175 00:13:50.200 --> 00:13:55.559 yeah who bye, but bye yea. I mean, it's funny. 176 00:13:55.600 --> 00:14:00.360 It's because, yeah, oh my, you went too far for 177 00:14:00.480 --> 00:14:01.200 Ben Shapiro. 178 00:14:04.240 --> 00:14:06.759 I will say to coonface oslat the same thing I 179 00:14:06.799 --> 00:14:11.559 say to my kids students when they repeatedly do something 180 00:14:11.600 --> 00:14:13.240 that I tell them not to do, and then the 181 00:14:13.279 --> 00:14:15.720 thing that I say is going to happen happens. I'm 182 00:14:15.720 --> 00:14:17.960 glad that happened to you, and I hope it hurts. 183 00:14:18.399 --> 00:14:21.240 It's interesting that what got her in trouble is kind 184 00:14:21.240 --> 00:14:28.320 of it's kind of liberals beating that drune, you know, yeah, 185 00:14:30.919 --> 00:14:36.799 some not all, but some beating the whole genocide all that. 186 00:14:37.120 --> 00:14:42.039 It's again a way more complicated and longer running than 187 00:14:42.080 --> 00:14:43.320 I am ever going to comment. 188 00:14:43.080 --> 00:14:45.799 On exactly, but of course she did. 189 00:14:46.120 --> 00:14:49.519 But it's just interesting which side she fell on. She 190 00:14:49.559 --> 00:14:51.879 didn't look up and go, wait a minute, Ben Shapiera's 191 00:14:51.879 --> 00:14:57.120 are you I have no principles or scruples? Is this 192 00:14:57.320 --> 00:15:01.120 really what I want to say? Because I don't care 193 00:15:01.120 --> 00:15:03.240 what I say about people, it doesn't have to be true. 194 00:15:04.120 --> 00:15:08.559 I usually go for the most controversial bullshit I can spew. 195 00:15:09.440 --> 00:15:12.559 So what the hell? This is weird? 196 00:15:13.720 --> 00:15:15.840 But good for bye bye? 197 00:15:16.080 --> 00:15:19.240 Yep see, Yeah, I think it's funny. I think it's funny. 198 00:15:20.240 --> 00:15:23.120 This episode is brought to you by Decanta, jug Wine 199 00:15:23.159 --> 00:15:27.399 and trans Day of Visibility, which, by the way, we 200 00:15:27.440 --> 00:15:30.120 are happy and grown up enough to share with Easter 201 00:15:30.320 --> 00:15:31.759 without a hissy fuss. 202 00:15:32.600 --> 00:15:37.600 So, as I mentioned earlier, you know, Beyonce dropped the 203 00:15:37.600 --> 00:15:38.919 Cowboy Carter album. 204 00:15:39.240 --> 00:15:40.279 Heads are exploding. 205 00:15:40.639 --> 00:15:45.919 Yes, And someone brought this up earlier today and I 206 00:15:45.960 --> 00:15:52.759 can't hope but agree it's Beyonce's fan base needs to 207 00:15:52.799 --> 00:15:56.720 calm down. It's not even the fan base, it's everyone's 208 00:15:56.759 --> 00:16:00.759 reaction to when a Beyonce album comes out, the best 209 00:16:00.759 --> 00:16:03.679 thing that's ever happened and the world has shifted on 210 00:16:03.759 --> 00:16:08.559 its axis. Those are the fans, right, or it's the 211 00:16:08.600 --> 00:16:10.559 worst thing that's ever happened and we're all going to 212 00:16:10.600 --> 00:16:15.720 hell because of Beyonce. You know, whatever happened just liking shit? 213 00:16:15.799 --> 00:16:19.120 But anyway, so everyone. 214 00:16:18.799 --> 00:16:21.240 That's the title of this whatever happened to? 215 00:16:21.720 --> 00:16:28.000 Right, So everyone is trying to analyze the symbolism of 216 00:16:28.080 --> 00:16:31.399 the album cover because it's you know, it's beyond now 217 00:16:31.480 --> 00:16:34.279 we care about the symbolism of the American flag. 218 00:16:34.440 --> 00:16:34.639 Right. 219 00:16:34.759 --> 00:16:40.279 Suddenly it's Beyonce on our white horse and she's wearing red, 220 00:16:40.320 --> 00:16:43.799 white and blue jumpsuit. How dare wearing a cowboy hat 221 00:16:44.000 --> 00:16:46.559 and a sash that says cowboy carter And she's carrying 222 00:16:46.559 --> 00:16:48.360 the America, a big American flag. 223 00:16:48.519 --> 00:16:49.039 No way. 224 00:16:49.399 --> 00:16:51.879 And so people are like, well, the way the photo 225 00:16:51.960 --> 00:16:54.039 was cropped, you don't see the blue and the white stars. 226 00:16:54.039 --> 00:16:55.679 You just see the red and white stripes. What does 227 00:16:55.720 --> 00:16:58.080 that mean? And the back leg of the horse is 228 00:16:58.120 --> 00:17:00.240 bent this way? So does that mean that. I'm like, 229 00:17:00.279 --> 00:17:01.960 if y'all don't calm the fuck. 230 00:17:02.159 --> 00:17:05.200 I assume it means she's taking us back to Civil War. 231 00:17:09.519 --> 00:17:12.920 I'm like, it's a country album in country is an 232 00:17:12.920 --> 00:17:17.240 American art form, and black people were integral in the 233 00:17:17.240 --> 00:17:20.200 formation of a genre. There I summed it up for you'll. 234 00:17:20.960 --> 00:17:23.359 How about that? And she has a right to the 235 00:17:23.400 --> 00:17:28.200 American flag exactly. We fly the American flag just above 236 00:17:28.680 --> 00:17:32.240 the Progress Pride flag. You're at our house, yep, because 237 00:17:33.240 --> 00:17:39.279 we have a right to both, you motherfuckers. If it 238 00:17:39.440 --> 00:17:42.519 was I don't know Travis Tritt or somebody ain't, nobody 239 00:17:42.559 --> 00:17:46.480 would be saying shit go market like they did with 240 00:17:46.799 --> 00:17:50.200 I don't know Lee Greenwood. But let a black woman 241 00:17:51.319 --> 00:17:55.400 ride a horse and carry an American flag, right and 242 00:17:55.680 --> 00:17:58.960 just the cock on that horse alone is enough to 243 00:17:59.039 --> 00:17:59.839 send them into a. 244 00:17:59.799 --> 00:18:02.920 Friend one thing that was cracking me up. 245 00:18:03.279 --> 00:18:05.359 So I don't even know if it's a male horse. 246 00:18:05.400 --> 00:18:07.759 I'm just saying there must be symbolism. 247 00:18:08.240 --> 00:18:12.680 One of the tracks on the album is a reworking 248 00:18:12.799 --> 00:18:16.920 of Dolly Parton's Joline You Said, And one thing I 249 00:18:16.920 --> 00:18:19.519 love about it is, you know, in the original, the 250 00:18:19.559 --> 00:18:22.880 Dolly Parton version, she's begging Joelina to take her man. 251 00:18:23.680 --> 00:18:24.000 She is. 252 00:18:24.119 --> 00:18:26.839 That's how the song is written, right, and Beyonce is like, 253 00:18:27.160 --> 00:18:30.079 you know, why don't you choose a safer activity than 254 00:18:30.119 --> 00:18:31.079 trying to take my man? 255 00:18:32.440 --> 00:18:37.200 Its rewritten for modern times, which Dolly is clearly fine with. 256 00:18:38.000 --> 00:18:41.240 I saw a clip that resurfaced. I'm not even sure 257 00:18:41.279 --> 00:18:43.039 how long ago the clip was from, but it was 258 00:18:43.079 --> 00:18:47.359 Dolly saying that she hoped that one day Beyonce would 259 00:18:47.400 --> 00:18:49.640 decide to cover Joelne because she would love to hear it. 260 00:18:50.559 --> 00:18:50.960 Mm hmm. 261 00:18:53.079 --> 00:18:54.960 And I was like, oh, well, look at you getting 262 00:18:55.000 --> 00:18:56.079 your wish. 263 00:18:56.359 --> 00:18:59.880 Yeah, yeah, Dolly evolves. 264 00:18:59.640 --> 00:19:03.720 Not to mention the fact that, you know, if that happens, 265 00:19:03.720 --> 00:19:06.519 which it did, she's going to get how much money 266 00:19:06.559 --> 00:19:07.799 and royalties for songwriting. 267 00:19:07.920 --> 00:19:12.119 Well, but if we're gonna, if we're gonna keep condemning wokeism, 268 00:19:12.240 --> 00:19:15.400 we have to start condemning Dolly Parton exactly. 269 00:19:15.440 --> 00:19:16.519 And no one's gonna do that. 270 00:19:16.720 --> 00:19:19.880 Well, but they might. I don't know how long are 271 00:19:19.920 --> 00:19:23.599 we gonna embrace crazy before we return to sanity. I'm 272 00:19:23.599 --> 00:19:24.119 not sure. 273 00:19:24.440 --> 00:19:26.920 But the thing that cracks me up the most about 274 00:19:27.240 --> 00:19:30.319 that particular clip is people are like, how come she 275 00:19:30.440 --> 00:19:33.079 didn't say that about Taylor Swift? Why'd you have to 276 00:19:33.119 --> 00:19:35.680 go pick Fyance? Why not Taylor Swift. 277 00:19:36.319 --> 00:19:40.000 It's like she could do both if she wants to, exactly, 278 00:19:40.200 --> 00:19:42.599 but it's like Taylor probably didn't ask her yet. 279 00:19:43.680 --> 00:19:47.359 It all happened when Beyonce did the halftime show with 280 00:19:47.400 --> 00:19:51.039 the Super Bowl and she did formation and had everybody 281 00:19:51.200 --> 00:19:54.240 dressed like black panthers. And that's when all these babity 282 00:19:54.279 --> 00:19:59.440 Bobby Pumpkins spice Latte white bitches realized that Beyonce a 283 00:19:59.440 --> 00:20:02.119 actually is black and be knows she is and she 284 00:20:02.680 --> 00:20:06.279 enjoys that fact, and it broke white people. People have 285 00:20:06.400 --> 00:20:09.079 been hating on Beyonce hardcore since then. 286 00:20:09.319 --> 00:20:13.079 White people have been broken for quite some time now. Yeah, 287 00:20:13.440 --> 00:20:16.240 they are not okay with the idea that they don't 288 00:20:16.319 --> 00:20:20.519 run the world or they won't run the world forever. 289 00:20:21.839 --> 00:20:25.440 I'll even say that because they have. And that's the problem. 290 00:20:26.519 --> 00:20:29.319 Even if white people aren't running the world, whiteness is. 291 00:20:29.359 --> 00:20:33.559 So it's the same thing, well not necessarily people who 292 00:20:33.599 --> 00:20:35.119 embrace white whiteness. 293 00:20:35.119 --> 00:20:37.799 How about that and non white people that embrace white. 294 00:20:37.599 --> 00:20:40.319 And non white people who embrace it as well. 295 00:20:40.920 --> 00:20:43.279 Yeah, but once anti whiteness takes over. 296 00:20:43.559 --> 00:20:50.160 Well it's not an either or, it's a and and right. 297 00:20:50.079 --> 00:20:52.799 Well, I mean white people can embrace anti whiteness. 298 00:20:53.240 --> 00:20:56.480 Yeah, it's just like saying women can't be in charge 299 00:20:56.640 --> 00:20:59.960 because there could be hormonal imbalances. And it's like, I'm sorry, 300 00:21:00.160 --> 00:21:04.039 every war ever was started by men, that part, remember, yep, 301 00:21:04.400 --> 00:21:08.039 So how would we be like really? 302 00:21:08.359 --> 00:21:08.559 Right? 303 00:21:09.039 --> 00:21:13.119 Really, I mean that was the biggest joke about trying 304 00:21:13.160 --> 00:21:19.680 to paint Hillary Clinton as a warmonger. What right, But 305 00:21:19.960 --> 00:21:20.839 like y'all ain't. 306 00:21:20.720 --> 00:21:26.880 Y'all, thank you, thank you, so all that to say. 307 00:21:27.240 --> 00:21:29.200 Like, it wouldn't a waite Man who said weapons and 308 00:21:29.279 --> 00:21:32.200 mass destruction where there weren't any exactly, and they got 309 00:21:32.240 --> 00:21:36.519 Colin Powell to agree. That's another conversation. 310 00:21:36.680 --> 00:21:40.240 But I'm just saying so all that to say, you know, 311 00:21:40.400 --> 00:21:43.039 I love the Beyonce album. I love Cowboy Carti. It's 312 00:21:43.079 --> 00:21:44.960 a really good album. But you know, it's okay to 313 00:21:45.079 --> 00:21:48.039 just like something without having to make it your personality. 314 00:21:48.319 --> 00:21:51.119 That'd be great, you know, that'd be great. 315 00:21:51.200 --> 00:21:54.839 It's okay to not like something without making it your personality. 316 00:21:55.039 --> 00:21:59.240 Yeah, you know, just call them the fuck down. Wow. 317 00:22:00.759 --> 00:22:01.680 That should be on a. 318 00:22:01.640 --> 00:22:03.799 T shirt Calm the fuck down. 319 00:22:03.880 --> 00:22:07.640 It probably is, but it really should be. 320 00:22:08.400 --> 00:22:08.599 You Know. 321 00:22:08.640 --> 00:22:11.319 What I loved was that the recent T shirt I 322 00:22:11.319 --> 00:22:13.119 saw that said dictum. 323 00:22:13.799 --> 00:22:14.519 Yeah. 324 00:22:14.680 --> 00:22:17.039 When you act like a dick and then act like 325 00:22:17.079 --> 00:22:20.319 a victim, you're a dictum dictum. Yeah. 326 00:22:21.119 --> 00:22:24.480 This episode is brought to you by Decanta, jug Wine 327 00:22:24.559 --> 00:22:30.279 and everything everywhere all at once. This tickled me. We 328 00:22:30.359 --> 00:22:35.519 talked before on the show about the gay furry hackers 329 00:22:38.319 --> 00:22:44.799 who call themselves sieged sec. I just love saying gay 330 00:22:44.839 --> 00:22:49.160 furry hackers. That just makes me all warm and fuzzy inside. 331 00:22:50.200 --> 00:22:53.880 They hacked into the far right media outlet known as 332 00:22:54.000 --> 00:22:58.440 Real America's Voice and publicly released the cell phone number 333 00:22:58.960 --> 00:23:03.440 of a transphobia pastor, and they also included the names 334 00:23:03.480 --> 00:23:05.400 and phone numbers of over twelve hundred years of the 335 00:23:05.440 --> 00:23:08.920 outlet's phone app, as well as information about the network's 336 00:23:08.960 --> 00:23:14.119 top shows, including ones hosted by anti LGBTQ plus, Turning 337 00:23:14.200 --> 00:23:18.400 Point USA founder Charlie Kirk and other far right figures. 338 00:23:19.960 --> 00:23:22.880 Apparently Real America's Voice I never heard of it had 339 00:23:23.039 --> 00:23:27.119 broadcasted numerous segments accusing the LGBTQ plus community of targeting 340 00:23:27.160 --> 00:23:31.359 and grooming children. You know that, old chestnut, and these 341 00:23:31.400 --> 00:23:34.119 people are coming for them, and I love that. It's like, 342 00:23:34.240 --> 00:23:38.720 you know what, look, your actions have repercussions, and they 343 00:23:38.720 --> 00:23:41.480 don't always look like what you think they will. And 344 00:23:41.799 --> 00:23:46.359 queer people are nothing if not innovative and smart and creative. 345 00:23:46.759 --> 00:23:49.799 And I would stop fucking with us if I was you. 346 00:23:49.799 --> 00:23:51.680 You know, That's all I got to say about that. 347 00:23:51.720 --> 00:23:55.279 Don't don't piss off the We have a sign hanging 348 00:23:55.359 --> 00:23:57.920 up in our house that says, don't piss off the fairies. 349 00:23:58.920 --> 00:24:01.200 It's a model to live, you know what I'm saying. 350 00:24:02.279 --> 00:24:08.039 So to my gay furry hacker peeps out there, you're 351 00:24:08.039 --> 00:24:09.079 doing the Lord's work. 352 00:24:10.359 --> 00:24:14.240 This episode is brought to you by Screwtops, Savignon Blanc 353 00:24:14.720 --> 00:24:19.079 and the roller Coaster that his Mother's Day. Wrote Roger Crone, 354 00:24:19.680 --> 00:24:24.400 president and CEO of Scouting America come twenty twenty five, 355 00:24:24.960 --> 00:24:29.680 who described the organization as a welcoming, safe environment where 356 00:24:29.799 --> 00:24:36.319 youth can become the best version of themselves. This will 357 00:24:36.359 --> 00:24:39.480 be a simple but very important evolution as we seek 358 00:24:39.519 --> 00:24:44.559 to ensure that everyone feels welcome in Scouting. They have 359 00:24:44.960 --> 00:24:51.319 implemented significant changes to their membership requirements over the past decade. 360 00:24:51.519 --> 00:24:54.920 You know, from nineteen seventy eight, which is when I 361 00:24:54.960 --> 00:24:59.079 was a Scout, LGBTQ plus youth and adults alike were 362 00:24:59.200 --> 00:25:03.720 formally banned from the organization, a practice which only ended 363 00:25:03.759 --> 00:25:07.920 in twenty fourteen for youth and twenty fifteen for adult members. 364 00:25:08.559 --> 00:25:10.720 It's not the openly gay ones we ever had to 365 00:25:10.720 --> 00:25:15.240 worry about, exactly. I digress Separately. The BS also managed 366 00:25:15.279 --> 00:25:19.880 to conceal serial sexual abuse allegations against numerous adult leaders 367 00:25:20.240 --> 00:25:24.279 for nearly a century before becoming the target of multiple 368 00:25:24.359 --> 00:25:28.720 lawsuits in the past twenty years. BSA leadership filed for 369 00:25:28.799 --> 00:25:32.839 bankruptcy in twenty twenty, and in twenty twenty two a 370 00:25:32.880 --> 00:25:38.119 federal bankruptcy court allowed the organization to establish a two 371 00:25:38.160 --> 00:25:44.559 plus billion dollars settlement fund to compensate victims and allow 372 00:25:44.599 --> 00:25:53.599 the organization to continue operations. The rebrand distances in the 373 00:25:53.680 --> 00:25:58.400 organization from their checkered history while emphasizing their new more 374 00:25:58.559 --> 00:26:03.559 gender expansive to recruitment. Nobody wants to come here, so 375 00:26:03.759 --> 00:26:07.279 let's open it up. Which is gonna happen with the 376 00:26:07.400 --> 00:26:11.920 churches as we watch? In this week's press release, leaders 377 00:26:11.920 --> 00:26:16.039 asserted that over six thousand girls have now earned their 378 00:26:16.160 --> 00:26:24.720 Eagle Scout badges, the organization's highest official rank. Although their 379 00:26:24.720 --> 00:26:28.559 official stance now welcomes transgender youth, it may take more 380 00:26:28.640 --> 00:26:34.240 time for individual troops to catch up, of course. In 381 00:26:34.319 --> 00:26:37.799 twenty twenty one, a trans fourteen year old said she 382 00:26:38.079 --> 00:26:41.160 was kicked out of the troop after she came out 383 00:26:41.519 --> 00:26:46.200 because there was no all girls troop for her to join. Instead, 384 00:26:48.759 --> 00:26:52.519 quote it was very upsetting. I remember seeing my mom crying. 385 00:26:53.400 --> 00:26:57.119 That was like family to us, because when you were 386 00:26:57.160 --> 00:27:00.240 with the troop for so long, you are family. Yeah, 387 00:27:00.319 --> 00:27:08.880 until you're not much like the church. Huh. So you 388 00:27:08.920 --> 00:27:10.920 want to summarize why that's in good news? 389 00:27:11.839 --> 00:27:16.680 I mean, isn't it? 390 00:27:15.839 --> 00:27:22.920 I inclusivity, here's hoping. 391 00:27:24.279 --> 00:27:28.519 I mean because the gender nature of it is what 392 00:27:28.559 --> 00:27:30.440 I didn't like about it because I didn't have a 393 00:27:30.559 --> 00:27:34.720 choice in joining Cub Scouts. I was put into it. 394 00:27:34.720 --> 00:27:37.519 It was a method to butcher me up. 395 00:27:37.640 --> 00:27:39.200 Yeah, it's uh. 396 00:27:39.200 --> 00:27:41.079 Huh so I could play with other boys instead of 397 00:27:41.079 --> 00:27:42.079 playing with the girls. 398 00:27:42.960 --> 00:27:47.559 Same and I wanted to be a Brownie. I did. 399 00:27:48.920 --> 00:27:52.200 My girlfriends were Brownies at the time. They were like 400 00:27:52.319 --> 00:27:55.759 showing me Cub Scouts, and that's what I wanted to be. 401 00:27:55.960 --> 00:27:58.359 Even though I hated the uniform, I still that's. 402 00:27:58.200 --> 00:28:00.519 What I didn't want to be a brown I didn't 403 00:28:00.519 --> 00:28:02.000 want to fucking be a Cub Scout. I want to 404 00:28:02.039 --> 00:28:03.000 be left the fuck alone. 405 00:28:03.000 --> 00:28:06.000 But that wasn't exactly. 406 00:28:08.720 --> 00:28:12.519 Yeah, So I guess I guess like whatever I was doing, 407 00:28:12.559 --> 00:28:13.640 I wasn't doing it right. 408 00:28:13.680 --> 00:28:16.079 You know, because my very Catholic friend who was quoting 409 00:28:16.079 --> 00:28:22.920 on it like you don't hold her. Yeah, but yeah, 410 00:28:23.720 --> 00:28:26.240 because this sounds like a very Catholic thing to do. 411 00:28:27.440 --> 00:28:30.880 Although they haven't capitulated yet, but they will. 412 00:28:31.200 --> 00:28:34.880 Every cub Scout troop that I've ever seen operates out 413 00:28:34.880 --> 00:28:37.119 of a church, including. 414 00:28:36.799 --> 00:28:40.559 Well they in the space of but usually the basement 415 00:28:40.640 --> 00:28:44.200 or whatever. So do AA meetings. That doesn't mean a thing, 416 00:28:44.440 --> 00:28:48.799 that's true. I mean, you know where they happen. Yeah, 417 00:28:49.000 --> 00:28:54.359 it's more the molestation. It's a problem, the diddling of it, 418 00:28:54.440 --> 00:28:56.039 all right, Yeah. 419 00:28:56.160 --> 00:28:59.160 Yeah, No cub Scout master ever diddled me. There were 420 00:28:59.200 --> 00:29:01.079 other cub Scouts. I wanted to do it, but that's 421 00:29:01.079 --> 00:29:01.599 a different thing. 422 00:29:01.640 --> 00:29:01.839 I was. 423 00:29:02.119 --> 00:29:06.079 That is entirely different. I don't I don't know. I 424 00:29:06.119 --> 00:29:08.279 don't I would. I didn't do it long enough to know, 425 00:29:09.559 --> 00:29:12.519 you know what I mean. And we had a we 426 00:29:12.640 --> 00:29:16.839 had like a a married couple where she was like 427 00:29:17.079 --> 00:29:20.400 the dead mother of the you know, younger kids, and 428 00:29:20.440 --> 00:29:23.079 then he was the scout leader for the older kids. 429 00:29:23.359 --> 00:29:27.160 And they were they were nice, and I don't think 430 00:29:27.200 --> 00:29:30.720 anyone got diddled, and you know, while they were in charge. 431 00:29:31.039 --> 00:29:33.720 I mean my immediately I was just I was just angry. 432 00:29:33.759 --> 00:29:34.240 I was there. 433 00:29:34.359 --> 00:29:35.400 We had den mothers. 434 00:29:35.440 --> 00:29:40.720 We didn't have scouts, right they that comes later, That 435 00:29:40.839 --> 00:29:42.839 comes a little bit later, because I know I was 436 00:29:42.880 --> 00:29:46.200 never a boy scout. I was a wee below as 437 00:29:46.240 --> 00:29:51.200 I got, which is ironic. Yeah, with the plaid scarf 438 00:29:51.319 --> 00:29:56.240 like I know we do. Yeah, I got that far. 439 00:29:56.920 --> 00:30:00.640 And that was when we started doing camping trips and stuff. 440 00:30:00.680 --> 00:30:02.720 We did one camping trip and it was enough for me. 441 00:30:02.920 --> 00:30:07.640 Yeah, but that's where that starts and we blows, we 442 00:30:07.799 --> 00:30:12.440 blows whatever whatever, And you know that was the dad 443 00:30:14.039 --> 00:30:16.480 of one of the kids, was that I just hated 444 00:30:16.559 --> 00:30:19.200 it all. Yeah, I was surly about it. 445 00:30:20.000 --> 00:30:23.039 I was you know, there was nothing about it that 446 00:30:23.119 --> 00:30:28.359 I liked. Hanging with other boys, wearing clothes I didn't 447 00:30:28.359 --> 00:30:31.160 want to wear, being outside doing things. 448 00:30:30.839 --> 00:30:35.880 Fuck that exactly. It was exactly exactly. None of this 449 00:30:36.119 --> 00:30:39.279 was fun, not a bit of it. But at least 450 00:30:39.359 --> 00:30:44.559 now I guess this apparently they're expanding. 451 00:30:44.960 --> 00:30:47.400 When I was hanging with the girls playing double Dutch, 452 00:30:47.440 --> 00:30:49.559 I was happy, but apparently I wasn't allowed to be 453 00:30:49.599 --> 00:30:54.759 fucking happy, right right, And then you know, I was like, well, 454 00:30:54.799 --> 00:30:58.559 you have you get these patches if you do these things, 455 00:30:58.559 --> 00:31:01.799 and I'm like, well, I like things. I like accolade. 456 00:31:01.920 --> 00:31:04.799 So I did the things, and of course it took 457 00:31:04.799 --> 00:31:06.680 them forever to get their shit together to give me 458 00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:09.240 my patches. So then I was mad. 459 00:31:09.240 --> 00:31:14.799 See the patches didn't really coordinate with one another, so 460 00:31:14.880 --> 00:31:16.319 I wasn't happy about that either. 461 00:31:17.440 --> 00:31:20.079 Well, you know I have that nerd collector things. 462 00:31:20.240 --> 00:31:23.319 Well, that's fair, that's fair. You have different esthetics. 463 00:31:23.359 --> 00:31:26.319 You get your Bobcat badge, then you get your wolf badge, 464 00:31:26.440 --> 00:31:28.519 then you get your bear badge, then you get your 465 00:31:28.519 --> 00:31:32.240 we blow badge, and it makes the little diamond shape 466 00:31:32.240 --> 00:31:34.000 when all the patches are there, and I wanted to 467 00:31:34.039 --> 00:31:35.599 have my complete diamond. Dammit. 468 00:31:35.880 --> 00:31:38.440 I endure the fact that there's a bear badge. 469 00:31:38.319 --> 00:31:42.400 I know. And yeah, because Coup Scouts has this strange 470 00:31:42.400 --> 00:31:43.920 correlation with Jungle. 471 00:31:43.599 --> 00:31:47.839 Book hmmm, I had never thought of that. 472 00:31:48.160 --> 00:31:51.359 Yeah, the whole thing is odd. 473 00:31:51.519 --> 00:31:57.839 Actually it's male bonding, I guess, which you know in 474 00:31:57.920 --> 00:31:58.920 my experience. 475 00:32:00.240 --> 00:32:02.480 Well, and then we blow. 476 00:32:02.759 --> 00:32:05.640 It's a coupling than bonder. 477 00:32:06.400 --> 00:32:08.799 It's supposed to be short for will be Loyal Scouts. 478 00:32:09.119 --> 00:32:10.160 Well that doesn't even make sense. 479 00:32:11.440 --> 00:32:14.440 It's no really that I thought it was like a 480 00:32:14.519 --> 00:32:17.440 Native American word, we blow meant something. 481 00:32:17.519 --> 00:32:20.000 I thought that might have been like the thing that 482 00:32:20.039 --> 00:32:21.440 they told us that we will remember. 483 00:32:22.319 --> 00:32:25.079 I think they wanted to say we blow. That's what 484 00:32:25.119 --> 00:32:30.559 I think they wanted. So I didn't get that either. 485 00:32:30.640 --> 00:32:33.039 See, all their promises went unfulfilled. 486 00:32:33.200 --> 00:32:36.160 This episode is brought to you by Decanta jug Wine. 487 00:32:36.440 --> 00:32:40.319 The pain in the as new dogs and the sun 488 00:32:40.359 --> 00:32:43.759 is shining. The birds are singing, the queers are queering. 489 00:32:44.279 --> 00:32:48.319 God news, God News. 490 00:32:48.880 --> 00:32:51.759 I've been brushing up on my Pride flags and learning 491 00:32:51.759 --> 00:32:53.880 what the different color combinations. 492 00:32:54.160 --> 00:32:57.799 Because I bought a case of varied flags. Yes, I 493 00:32:57.799 --> 00:32:58.720 didn't even know what all. 494 00:32:58.559 --> 00:33:00.839 Of them were, and people, what's that one mean? And 495 00:33:01.119 --> 00:33:03.960 I'm able to be like, that's the non binary flag, 496 00:33:04.119 --> 00:33:07.440 that's the pen sexual flag. That is the asexual flag, 497 00:33:08.480 --> 00:33:10.359 to which you said, I was. 498 00:33:10.319 --> 00:33:12.920 A little surprised there was an asexual flag. I thought 499 00:33:12.960 --> 00:33:18.440 they didn't want the attention. But that's probably wrong of 500 00:33:18.519 --> 00:33:23.799 me to say, I'm just got my only excentense. 501 00:33:23.880 --> 00:33:25.039 What are you looking at? And why? 502 00:33:25.200 --> 00:33:29.480 I am really tired? And I didn't know that there 503 00:33:29.519 --> 00:33:31.240 was a flag. I thought there was. I mean, there 504 00:33:31.279 --> 00:33:33.319 is a letter, so why not a flag? 505 00:33:33.640 --> 00:33:33.799 Yeah? 506 00:33:33.960 --> 00:33:36.400 Why not? I don't I begrudge no one in their 507 00:33:36.440 --> 00:33:40.359 flag exactly. I mean none, yeah, but it was just 508 00:33:41.079 --> 00:33:43.759 I found cases of flags because they were really fun 509 00:33:43.799 --> 00:33:45.200 to give out for the parade. 510 00:33:45.759 --> 00:33:48.359 Yeah, it was always fun to see who took what flag. 511 00:33:49.079 --> 00:33:52.480 Right now, some people just take the one you hand them, right. 512 00:33:53.160 --> 00:33:56.559 The bisexual flags were very popular, Like people were like, 513 00:33:56.640 --> 00:33:59.240 do you have a bisexual flag, to which I was like, yes. 514 00:33:59.119 --> 00:34:02.759 I did. I am a by fan, I am that. 515 00:34:03.319 --> 00:34:06.039 And we ran out of trans flax, we did. Yeah, 516 00:34:06.119 --> 00:34:09.159 those were those went first, I know, we ran out 517 00:34:09.199 --> 00:34:14.639 of those. Yeah. So we last year we marched in 518 00:34:14.679 --> 00:34:16.880 the same parade, and it was even it was October, 519 00:34:16.960 --> 00:34:22.639 not even June because of the Canadian wildfire air quality. 520 00:34:23.159 --> 00:34:26.800 So and in October maybe we had three or four 521 00:34:26.960 --> 00:34:31.920 folks walking with us, right, and we had twenty five 522 00:34:32.039 --> 00:34:32.599 this time. 523 00:34:32.800 --> 00:34:33.079 Yep. 524 00:34:33.480 --> 00:34:37.000 It was like wow, wow, in less than a year, 525 00:34:37.119 --> 00:34:42.159 that's how things have developed. So it was really great. 526 00:34:42.159 --> 00:34:43.960 We had a good we had a great big group 527 00:34:43.960 --> 00:34:47.880 with us, and I had a good time. I did. 528 00:34:47.960 --> 00:34:52.039 I'm just I'm really exhausted. I hate when I only 529 00:34:52.079 --> 00:34:55.840 have one day off, I know, because I'm old and 530 00:34:56.480 --> 00:34:59.119 I like my three day weekend. I know, that's right. 531 00:34:59.519 --> 00:35:02.559 And one of the days always is, you know, filled 532 00:35:02.559 --> 00:35:04.800 with aarons and things, so but this is like all 533 00:35:04.840 --> 00:35:08.000 of it, right, So I feel like I'm fast forwardning 534 00:35:08.000 --> 00:35:13.280 through the day. I've been productive, right and yeah, and 535 00:35:13.360 --> 00:35:15.079 finally we were recording. 536 00:35:14.960 --> 00:35:18.000 Yes, hallelujah because we haven't forgotten y'all. I don't know 537 00:35:18.000 --> 00:35:21.000 our notes date back to god knows. Yeah, they're varied, 538 00:35:21.320 --> 00:35:25.039 but yeah, marching in the parade, it reminded me that 539 00:35:25.320 --> 00:35:27.760 a it was the first time in a very long 540 00:35:27.800 --> 00:35:30.559 time that I've marched in a Pride parade, and it 541 00:35:30.599 --> 00:35:34.679 reminded me of the first time. Well, no, the first 542 00:35:34.760 --> 00:35:36.599 time I marched in a Pride parade was when we 543 00:35:36.960 --> 00:35:39.159 a bunch of folks from the Attic we went up 544 00:35:39.159 --> 00:35:41.880 to New York Pride and we crashed the parade and 545 00:35:41.920 --> 00:35:43.360 marched with the Harvey Milk School. 546 00:35:43.480 --> 00:35:44.599 I love that story. 547 00:35:44.719 --> 00:35:46.639 Yes, And then I'm voguing down the street and looked 548 00:35:46.639 --> 00:35:48.400 to my right and there's Wilson Cruise and I was like, oh, 549 00:35:48.440 --> 00:35:52.000 I got But the first time I officially marched in 550 00:35:52.000 --> 00:35:55.280 a parade was for Temple Lambdam and that was the day. 551 00:35:55.320 --> 00:35:57.199 I was telling the story to a couple of the 552 00:35:57.280 --> 00:35:59.440 kids the other day. How that was the day I 553 00:35:59.519 --> 00:36:01.840 kind of accidentally came out to a good chunk of 554 00:36:01.840 --> 00:36:05.559 my familys because we're marching and I'm holding the banner 555 00:36:05.559 --> 00:36:08.960 for Temple Lambdallions. And what was the clip that the 556 00:36:09.039 --> 00:36:13.760 news chose to use for the story of Philadelphia Pride 557 00:36:13.840 --> 00:36:18.239 that day? But me holding the banner marching down the street? 558 00:36:21.039 --> 00:36:22.000 Huh. 559 00:36:22.039 --> 00:36:24.599 I saw you on TV today. You were in the 560 00:36:24.639 --> 00:36:28.519 parade and I was like, yeah, yeah, I was, yeah, 561 00:36:29.280 --> 00:36:35.079 fuck it, yes I was. I thought I was being slick. 562 00:36:35.119 --> 00:36:37.880 Apparently I was the opposite of that. Right. 563 00:36:39.679 --> 00:36:42.800 This episode is brought to you by It Can't jug Wine. 564 00:36:42.840 --> 00:36:47.079 On the last day of Pride, I ran very queer 565 00:36:47.199 --> 00:36:52.840 errands today. So there was a presidential debate, I hear. 566 00:36:54.000 --> 00:36:54.800 I didn't watch it. 567 00:36:55.199 --> 00:36:58.920 No, we did not watch it. And first of all, 568 00:36:59.880 --> 00:37:06.960 there is nothing that that convicted felon who damn near 569 00:37:07.079 --> 00:37:13.159 destroyed democracy can say that will sway my opinion. And frankly, 570 00:37:13.679 --> 00:37:16.719 there is nothing. I don't care if to. You know, 571 00:37:16.840 --> 00:37:19.159 everybody's talking about, well, maybe Joe didn't feel good, maybe 572 00:37:19.159 --> 00:37:21.519 he was tired, Maybe I don't give a fuck. I 573 00:37:21.599 --> 00:37:26.239 want you to think about being a decent human being 574 00:37:26.639 --> 00:37:30.480 who has dedicated your entire life to public service and 575 00:37:30.599 --> 00:37:34.719 having to even share a stage with that piece of 576 00:37:35.280 --> 00:37:39.599 garbage who was a joke well before they allegedly won 577 00:37:39.679 --> 00:37:42.199 an election. And I want you to take that in 578 00:37:42.320 --> 00:37:46.360 mind when you consider the amount of bile Joe was 579 00:37:46.360 --> 00:37:49.159 trying to choke on to even have to share a 580 00:37:49.199 --> 00:37:56.239 stage with I repeat that convicted felon. There's not a 581 00:37:56.320 --> 00:38:00.000 reason for me to watch these debates. I'm not entertained 582 00:38:00.119 --> 00:38:04.800 by it. I care about bodily autonomy. I care about, 583 00:38:04.960 --> 00:38:10.760 you know, the future of this country, and we won't 584 00:38:10.840 --> 00:38:14.679 have one. I don't want to contemplate what would happen 585 00:38:15.320 --> 00:38:17.840 under another Trump presidency, because he's damn near. 586 00:38:18.880 --> 00:38:20.400 You barely made it through the last one. 587 00:38:20.239 --> 00:38:25.239 Exactly exactly we wouldn't make it. Now you have empowered 588 00:38:25.280 --> 00:38:27.719 a dictator. So you know, the only thing I can 589 00:38:27.760 --> 00:38:34.840 say to every one of my white, privileged cis het friends, 590 00:38:34.960 --> 00:38:39.280 well former friends who voted for like Jill Stein out 591 00:38:39.280 --> 00:38:45.760 of some principle called missogyny that swung Pennsylvania to Trump 592 00:38:45.800 --> 00:38:50.119 and gave us Trump, I hope you've learned one goddamn 593 00:38:50.199 --> 00:38:50.880 thing from it. 594 00:38:51.800 --> 00:38:55.199 But they're still trying that ship. Now. I'm talking about 595 00:38:55.199 --> 00:38:55.760 how don't. 596 00:38:55.800 --> 00:38:58.280 I don't. Yeah, I know what they're talking about. I can't. 597 00:38:58.880 --> 00:39:02.360 I won't let it on my spear. It's all horseshit. 598 00:39:03.480 --> 00:39:06.800 You know what, Molly Ivans wrote a column and I 599 00:39:06.840 --> 00:39:09.519 wish I could remember the person she was talking about, 600 00:39:09.519 --> 00:39:11.360 but here was the premise of the column, and you 601 00:39:11.400 --> 00:39:15.280 can look it up. We don't vote for that one 602 00:39:15.519 --> 00:39:20.119 person at the top. We vote for the literal thousands 603 00:39:20.239 --> 00:39:25.599 of people they hire, the thousands of people who actually 604 00:39:25.719 --> 00:39:29.960 run our government. I will hand that once again, thank 605 00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:32.960 you to the Democrats, because I want to have a 606 00:39:33.000 --> 00:39:36.679 country when we're done, and I want experts in charge 607 00:39:36.719 --> 00:39:39.719 of the fields that they are in charge of. I 608 00:39:39.760 --> 00:39:43.480 want x unlike the Supreme Court right now because Trump, 609 00:39:44.079 --> 00:39:47.440 but I want, you know, people who know something about 610 00:39:47.440 --> 00:39:50.800 water quality to be in charge of the EPA, you know, 611 00:39:52.159 --> 00:39:55.119 and air quality. And I want people dedicated to that 612 00:39:55.199 --> 00:39:57.000 as a science and a field of study, who have 613 00:39:57.039 --> 00:40:02.239 spent their lifetime understanding it, not hacks, not a bunch 614 00:40:02.320 --> 00:40:06.960 of religious backwater hacks. I'm sorry. And if that makes 615 00:40:06.960 --> 00:40:11.519 me sound elitist, I'm not. Dear God. I have a 616 00:40:11.559 --> 00:40:16.400 trans riddled education and resume, but I know enough to 617 00:40:16.519 --> 00:40:19.480 know I really want smart people in charge. If that 618 00:40:19.599 --> 00:40:22.360 makes you sound, I don't give a why, I know, 619 00:40:24.280 --> 00:40:27.159 but I don't give a fog about you know, that's 620 00:40:27.199 --> 00:40:29.800 who I'm voting. That's what I'm voting for. And frankly, 621 00:40:30.159 --> 00:40:33.239 I like Kamala and she'll be fine if something happens 622 00:40:33.280 --> 00:40:35.960 to Joe. But Joe Biden has led a very decent, 623 00:40:36.760 --> 00:40:40.519 principled life perfect No part of. 624 00:40:40.639 --> 00:40:42.599 You know who among us is right? 625 00:40:42.920 --> 00:40:46.639 You know, is he my ideal, ideal candidate in twenty 626 00:40:46.679 --> 00:40:51.800 twenty four? He is not. But but there it's the 627 00:40:52.039 --> 00:40:55.639 choice between oh my god, what It's the choice between 628 00:40:55.679 --> 00:40:58.960 stubbing your toe and being caught up by a chainsaw, 629 00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:05.559 choice between you know, wondering what's gonna happen and ceasing 630 00:41:05.639 --> 00:41:08.199 to exist. I mean, like, for me, it's that black. 631 00:41:08.400 --> 00:41:12.320 I have lost all patients for people like I'm like, 632 00:41:12.400 --> 00:41:14.559 I don't give a fuck about your little I don't 633 00:41:14.559 --> 00:41:16.599 want to vote for him. I want to vote third party. 634 00:41:16.599 --> 00:41:17.719 Fuck you and your third part. 635 00:41:17.760 --> 00:41:20.719 What abautism is such a privilege exactly, And I'm going 636 00:41:20.760 --> 00:41:23.599 to vote my principles such a privilege. You know what 637 00:41:23.679 --> 00:41:27.559 My principle is survival. Right, there's already one state in 638 00:41:27.599 --> 00:41:30.480 the Union where I do not feel safe going, even 639 00:41:30.480 --> 00:41:32.679 though I have loved ones there, and that is Florida, 640 00:41:32.719 --> 00:41:35.039 and I don't want more of it exactly, I don't 641 00:41:35.079 --> 00:41:37.800 want any more of this nonsense. I want it beaten back. 642 00:41:38.000 --> 00:41:40.320 I do so that we can all coexist in the 643 00:41:40.360 --> 00:41:43.480 America I was born into and the America I was promised. 644 00:41:43.840 --> 00:41:46.559 Right yeah, if, like you know, I don't want to 645 00:41:46.599 --> 00:41:49.800 hear your little whiny bullshit every four years, acting like 646 00:41:49.840 --> 00:41:52.039 you give a shit about who does what win and 647 00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:55.480 where When you could have had this energy like so 648 00:41:55.639 --> 00:41:59.000 long ago and maybe then your little third party would 649 00:41:59.079 --> 00:42:01.159 have a chance. But right now is not the time 650 00:42:01.360 --> 00:42:04.039 quitcha bitchin and act like you have some goddamn sense And. 651 00:42:04.000 --> 00:42:06.599 Put another way, I mean, I have respect for those 652 00:42:06.639 --> 00:42:10.559 who are understand and are working to build third parties 653 00:42:10.599 --> 00:42:11.719 from the grassroots. 654 00:42:11.840 --> 00:42:13.960 Yes, and those are the ones that you should put 655 00:42:13.960 --> 00:42:17.000 your energy into. But because that could be then we 656 00:42:17.039 --> 00:42:18.719 could have a conversation later on. 657 00:42:19.000 --> 00:42:22.320 Every one of the ones I know personally are voting 658 00:42:22.840 --> 00:42:23.920 for Joe Biden. 659 00:42:23.840 --> 00:42:29.519 Right right, It's called grassroots for a reason. You gotta 660 00:42:29.599 --> 00:42:32.360 water that shit and nurture it so that when it 661 00:42:32.480 --> 00:42:35.679 grows into something that is viable, then we can have 662 00:42:35.800 --> 00:42:39.159 that conversation. Yeah, once every four years is not the time. 663 00:42:39.320 --> 00:42:43.519 Let's let the Republican Party implode. Let's let three other parties, 664 00:42:43.559 --> 00:42:47.079 six other parties come into play. Fine, but right now 665 00:42:47.280 --> 00:42:50.480 is not the time, you know, And and they say, well, 666 00:42:50.480 --> 00:42:54.760 when is the time? Well, when we're talking about democracy 667 00:42:54.880 --> 00:42:58.519 versus democracy? I mean, when I was a child, a version, 668 00:42:58.639 --> 00:43:01.280 you know it was, it was a slightly different way 669 00:43:01.320 --> 00:43:04.480 to view it all with the same endgame in mind. 670 00:43:04.719 --> 00:43:08.159 And you know, forgive me for always using this example, 671 00:43:08.159 --> 00:43:11.039 but fucking Richard Nixon signed the Clean Air Act and 672 00:43:11.079 --> 00:43:13.639 the Clean Water Act because when I was a child 673 00:43:13.719 --> 00:43:18.559 in the early seventies and the Republicans and Democrats looked 674 00:43:18.599 --> 00:43:20.519 up at the sky and looked out at the oceans, 675 00:43:20.559 --> 00:43:22.719 they said, that is pollution and we have to do 676 00:43:22.800 --> 00:43:26.880 something about it. The Republican Party of today is saying, 677 00:43:27.119 --> 00:43:29.239 you're going to believe us? Are your lying eyes? Are 678 00:43:29.280 --> 00:43:31.159 you going to be believe us? Are science? 679 00:43:31.679 --> 00:43:31.960 Right? 680 00:43:33.039 --> 00:43:36.440 So we can keep I don't know, feeding billionaires who 681 00:43:36.440 --> 00:43:39.960 feed us, rather than understand the fact that if we 682 00:43:39.960 --> 00:43:42.239 don't have a planet, we don't have a we don't 683 00:43:42.239 --> 00:43:43.119 have a discussion. 684 00:43:43.679 --> 00:43:46.800 Right, people need to stop acting like this election is 685 00:43:46.840 --> 00:43:48.400 the same as when shit was normal. 686 00:43:49.480 --> 00:43:52.960 Yeah, this shit is not normal. Donald Trump even being 687 00:43:53.440 --> 00:43:57.159 spoken of as a serious political candidate is not normal. Nope, 688 00:43:57.519 --> 00:43:58.199 not normal. 689 00:43:58.360 --> 00:43:58.719 Nope. 690 00:43:59.239 --> 00:44:07.840 And you know, I grew up among blue collar Republicans. 691 00:44:09.239 --> 00:44:13.079 I did. This town, this place where I grew up 692 00:44:13.880 --> 00:44:16.880 was and it was that sense of leave us alone. 693 00:44:17.119 --> 00:44:20.559 It was that, I guess, sort of libertarian thing, except 694 00:44:20.599 --> 00:44:22.480 they did believe that, you know, the roads should be 695 00:44:22.480 --> 00:44:34.440 paved because but it was never this the religious fringe 696 00:44:34.800 --> 00:44:37.239 was just that they were a fringe that had to 697 00:44:37.280 --> 00:44:40.800 be beaten back to and kept at bay because they 698 00:44:40.800 --> 00:44:44.880 were never going to be the best of us. You know, 699 00:44:45.000 --> 00:44:48.519 anybody who wants prayer in public school is not representing 700 00:44:48.599 --> 00:44:52.480 the best of us, the representing their own nonsense. 701 00:44:53.199 --> 00:44:55.199 And now they don't even believe in the teachings of 702 00:44:55.280 --> 00:45:00.639 Jesus anymore. That Jesus is nothing but liberal talking points week. 703 00:45:01.360 --> 00:45:02.480 That is something. 704 00:45:02.559 --> 00:45:05.079 Yeah, that is what they're saying now. 705 00:45:05.559 --> 00:45:07.239 That Jesus really. 706 00:45:07.079 --> 00:45:10.119 Yes, so we asked about the teachings of Jesus and 707 00:45:10.159 --> 00:45:13.119 what about judge not lest will you be judged? And 708 00:45:13.239 --> 00:45:15.800 love your love. Everyone is yourself and you know the 709 00:45:15.840 --> 00:45:18.960 beatitudes and all that. Oh, that's just liberal talking points. 710 00:45:19.000 --> 00:45:20.440 That wouldn't fly today. That's weak. 711 00:45:20.559 --> 00:45:23.519 So I want to know what do they call themselves then? 712 00:45:23.599 --> 00:45:27.519 Because Christian? Thank you, literally based on the idea of 713 00:45:27.760 --> 00:45:32.760 say it Christ, that would that was Jesus of Nazareus. 714 00:45:33.320 --> 00:45:39.760 That was that whole story and the entire all of 715 00:45:39.920 --> 00:45:46.239 Christianity is based on the belief that this person walked 716 00:45:46.239 --> 00:45:50.960 around and these were the principles that he espouls. How 717 00:45:51.000 --> 00:45:53.760 do you how do you separate from them and still 718 00:45:53.760 --> 00:45:56.840 call yourself a Christian? You're not right now, that's somebody. 719 00:45:56.840 --> 00:45:58.159 You're a fascist. 720 00:45:58.360 --> 00:45:59.840 Now they're preacher from the Book of Nah. 721 00:46:00.519 --> 00:46:06.719 Yeah, you're a fascist. You're you're following a dictator. You've 722 00:46:06.800 --> 00:46:12.719 abandoned all principle. I mean, that's true. Apparently that's true because, 723 00:46:13.039 --> 00:46:16.400 and that's what I'm saying above all else, folks were 724 00:46:16.480 --> 00:46:20.000 fair minded. They might not have agreed with each other, 725 00:46:20.039 --> 00:46:22.159 but they came to a consensus and there was a 726 00:46:22.199 --> 00:46:26.159 civility to it. Now, was it a racist civility? Maybe? 727 00:46:26.280 --> 00:46:28.119 Well maybe I'm not. 728 00:46:28.440 --> 00:46:30.719 You know, I'm not here to argue that point, but 729 00:46:30.760 --> 00:46:33.880 I am saying it was a different kind of consensus. 730 00:46:34.440 --> 00:46:37.760 And throughout the sixties we did have the civil rights movement. 731 00:46:37.840 --> 00:46:40.079 You know, it wasn't the bill and it wasn't over. 732 00:46:41.320 --> 00:46:46.400 But Nixon was the backlash from the sixties. Right, let's 733 00:46:46.400 --> 00:46:50.480 put a Republican in here for balance, I guess, you know. 734 00:46:50.599 --> 00:46:56.320 And it wasn't until Reagan that we embraced the moral 735 00:46:56.400 --> 00:47:00.960 alleged moral majority and said, hey, we need those religious 736 00:47:01.039 --> 00:47:05.679 nuts to win. And so for most of my life, 737 00:47:05.760 --> 00:47:12.320 since you know, nineteen eighty, it's it's been this growing Yeah, 738 00:47:12.719 --> 00:47:20.519 and now you know, the public discourse is broken. 739 00:47:21.000 --> 00:47:21.880 Oh my god. 740 00:47:22.840 --> 00:47:25.840 Yeah. So I won't be watching these debates because there's 741 00:47:25.960 --> 00:47:29.280 nothing that will change my mind. I don't care if 742 00:47:29.320 --> 00:47:32.960 Joe's on a ventilator. I really don't, because again, I'm 743 00:47:33.039 --> 00:47:35.119 voting for all the people that he will hire, that 744 00:47:35.199 --> 00:47:38.199 hit the party will hire, that Kamala will insist on, 745 00:47:38.360 --> 00:47:42.800 Like I'm voting for that, not the garbage, not the garbage. 746 00:47:42.840 --> 00:47:46.079 When we had a president who couldn't even fill cabinet seats, 747 00:47:47.480 --> 00:47:50.440 who had basically no state department. 748 00:47:50.440 --> 00:47:52.880 Because he fired everybody that would disagree with him. 749 00:47:52.760 --> 00:47:54.639 Because they either fired him or there was no one 750 00:47:54.800 --> 00:48:00.440 decent and balanced and principled left to hire nobody, Nobody 751 00:48:00.760 --> 00:48:04.920 like that wanted to work for that jackass. None of them, 752 00:48:05.039 --> 00:48:07.760 the ones that worked for him were crap. They were 753 00:48:07.840 --> 00:48:10.719 crap that didn't get much of a chance before for 754 00:48:10.760 --> 00:48:16.960 the most part. And suddenly you know, Okay, I can 755 00:48:17.039 --> 00:48:20.880 be something. And he doesn't even believe in that shit. 756 00:48:21.400 --> 00:48:25.280 He's not a conservative, he never was. He's an opportunist. 757 00:48:25.920 --> 00:48:29.920 He's just an opportunist. These are not deeply held beliefs. 758 00:48:29.960 --> 00:48:35.039 These are talking points meant to like, you know, play 759 00:48:35.119 --> 00:48:40.599 kate y'all that are play capable. 760 00:48:40.719 --> 00:48:43.119 How can he have fundamental beliefs when he never actually 761 00:48:43.159 --> 00:48:44.679 finishes a sentence you've heard him speak. 762 00:48:46.800 --> 00:48:49.119 Well, it's gotten worse and worse and worse and worse. 763 00:48:49.159 --> 00:48:51.280 And I will not I couldn't watch it before, I 764 00:48:51.320 --> 00:48:54.840 won't watch it now exactly. You know, that's that's the 765 00:48:54.880 --> 00:48:56.639 place I get to. I'm not going to sit in 766 00:48:56.760 --> 00:49:01.000 quarterback this shit. It's bullshit. He belonged in jail. He 767 00:49:01.039 --> 00:49:03.920 does not belong in the public discourse at all. He 768 00:49:03.960 --> 00:49:07.639 does not belong on our ballot. And it's it's a disgrace. 769 00:49:07.880 --> 00:49:11.360 And you know, I am holding my breath and believing in, 770 00:49:12.239 --> 00:49:16.239 you know, the smaller elections that we have watched since 771 00:49:16.280 --> 00:49:19.639 they fucked over, you know, ri v Wade. I'm watching 772 00:49:19.639 --> 00:49:23.519 those smaller elections that they keep losing. I'm watching those 773 00:49:23.559 --> 00:49:27.800 constitutional amendments that do not pass, and I'm saying, I 774 00:49:27.840 --> 00:49:34.840 hope to God we've learned something so that we save democracy, 775 00:49:35.079 --> 00:49:39.199 because I'm not sure what happens if that Jack Guess 776 00:49:39.199 --> 00:49:43.159 gets in again. I'm just I can't. I cannot think 777 00:49:43.199 --> 00:49:46.639 that far into I can't. It's so absurd. I don't 778 00:49:46.639 --> 00:49:48.679 want to talk about it. I don't want to talk 779 00:49:48.679 --> 00:49:49.440 about it because. 780 00:49:49.199 --> 00:49:53.920 I don't know where I'll live, someplace that speaks French. 781 00:49:55.199 --> 00:49:58.840 Well, I you know, I don't know where, because you know, 782 00:49:58.920 --> 00:50:03.599 this anti trans sentimate has gained traction in other places too, 783 00:50:05.000 --> 00:50:08.079 So places where I was safe five years ago, I'm 784 00:50:08.119 --> 00:50:11.000 not now, and I'm paying attention. 785 00:50:11.920 --> 00:50:14.239 Well, if you'll notice this is someplace that speaks French 786 00:50:14.280 --> 00:50:16.280 but did not say France anyway. 787 00:50:17.400 --> 00:50:19.639 Yeah, I mean it's it. I know that a lot 788 00:50:19.719 --> 00:50:23.280 of people are terrified. And you know, my best advice 789 00:50:23.519 --> 00:50:28.639 right now is vote blue. Yeah, make sure you're registered, 790 00:50:28.760 --> 00:50:32.079 Register as many people as you can, and you know, 791 00:50:32.280 --> 00:50:40.480 let's keep sorting this out. But we can't with an incompetent, greedy, lying, 792 00:50:41.320 --> 00:50:46.400 hypocritical piece of excrement in the White House. We can't. 793 00:50:46.559 --> 00:50:49.760 We can't do that. Yeah, And that's really the choice 794 00:50:49.760 --> 00:50:52.679 could not be more stark. You don't want to be 795 00:50:52.719 --> 00:50:56.119 a Democrat, fine, keep working on third party ship. But 796 00:50:56.639 --> 00:51:00.280 if you are an LG beat, if you're an wearing 797 00:51:00.360 --> 00:51:04.639 liziabet Tekwa like, think about right, think about your third 798 00:51:04.679 --> 00:51:09.119 party principles, and think about whether you like living right. 799 00:51:09.880 --> 00:51:12.239 Yeah, because I'm not trying to say I know, I 800 00:51:12.400 --> 00:51:15.480 was very passionate a minute ago. I'm not saying there's 801 00:51:15.480 --> 00:51:17.559 anything wrong with the third parties. In fact, there we need, 802 00:51:17.800 --> 00:51:20.679 we need that, but now is not the time to 803 00:51:20.719 --> 00:51:22.679 be standing ten toes in that right. 804 00:51:22.719 --> 00:51:25.039 And we said that when it was you know, when 805 00:51:25.159 --> 00:51:28.320 Hillary it was you know, when she was on the 806 00:51:28.320 --> 00:51:32.239 ballot and people were the misogyny bubbled up again. And 807 00:51:32.320 --> 00:51:35.039 I remember saying, you know, when it was Barack and 808 00:51:35.119 --> 00:51:37.679 Hillary in the primary. So we're about to find out 809 00:51:37.719 --> 00:51:40.559 what America is less afraid of, Yeah, black man or 810 00:51:40.599 --> 00:51:43.440 a white woman. Turns out they were more afraid of 811 00:51:43.440 --> 00:51:46.199 the more highly qualified white woman. 812 00:51:46.400 --> 00:51:47.000 Yeah. 813 00:51:47.039 --> 00:51:51.639 And still in twenty sixteen. Yeah, so you can't tell 814 00:51:51.719 --> 00:51:55.960 me that shit doesn't run deep among liberals. That runs deep. 815 00:51:56.239 --> 00:51:59.960 Well there, you know you want to thank who act 816 00:52:00.000 --> 00:52:05.000 actually brought us Trump? Thank a liberal Thanka Butter emails liberal. 817 00:52:06.320 --> 00:52:08.599 So maybe don't fuck up like that again, and we'll 818 00:52:08.639 --> 00:52:12.159 all be better off for it, or at least not 819 00:52:12.239 --> 00:52:16.119 worse shoe. Well, I know, but we are actually better off. 820 00:52:16.199 --> 00:52:20.559 We've sprung from twenty sixteen to a much stronger economy, 821 00:52:20.599 --> 00:52:24.360 to like a much better direction. Let's keep going in it. 822 00:52:25.079 --> 00:52:32.920 Not in red states, clearly, but you know they're they're 823 00:52:33.000 --> 00:52:36.280 not the ones I'm talking to. I am talking to Pennsylvania, though, 824 00:52:37.400 --> 00:52:41.159 I am you. I spent thirty five years there and 825 00:52:41.280 --> 00:52:43.519 all of those people who told me I'd be okay 826 00:52:44.079 --> 00:52:51.320 are gone. Yeahs, thanks for having my back, fellas, appreciate it. 827 00:52:52.280 --> 00:52:55.239 This episode is brought to you by Decanta jug Wine 828 00:52:55.280 --> 00:52:59.360 and the Fight for Democracy. As we've briefly knew her, 829 00:53:00.320 --> 00:53:04.440 Mosca is back in the news. Chaw. So, first of all, 830 00:53:04.559 --> 00:53:07.360 can I just say I'm in love with his trans daughter? Yep, 831 00:53:08.599 --> 00:53:11.119 I love her, But you continue, we'll get to that. 832 00:53:11.599 --> 00:53:17.760 So, because California is too supportive of trans youth ray, 833 00:53:17.840 --> 00:53:21.599 he's moving his space X and Twitter. I mean X 834 00:53:21.960 --> 00:53:26.159 to Texas bye, exactly, like, don't threaten me with a 835 00:53:26.199 --> 00:53:28.079 good time. This is not an airport. 836 00:53:28.960 --> 00:53:34.119 No, those two things meant nothing together. This's not an airport. 837 00:53:34.280 --> 00:53:37.760 You don't have to announce your departure exactly, don't threaten 838 00:53:37.840 --> 00:53:40.039 me with a good time. To completely separate. 839 00:53:39.719 --> 00:53:41.559 Sentences, Yes, but I meant them both. 840 00:53:42.920 --> 00:53:45.440 Okay, but it sounded like you were tapping your foot 841 00:53:45.480 --> 00:53:52.360 at the airport. I don't know. I'm like, what, sorry, 842 00:53:52.400 --> 00:53:55.679 period space, don't threaten me with a good time. This 843 00:53:55.719 --> 00:54:03.960 is not an airport. In my head, what do I 844 00:54:04.079 --> 00:54:07.239 not know about your time spent with a driver's license? 845 00:54:10.400 --> 00:54:12.239 Do we have to talk about something? 846 00:54:18.280 --> 00:54:21.239 No, it was two zebra statements. 847 00:54:21.119 --> 00:54:24.679 But it wasn't, which is why I stopped. 848 00:54:26.280 --> 00:54:29.480 Who was intended as two zebra's statements? 849 00:54:29.519 --> 00:54:29.840 Okay? 850 00:54:30.360 --> 00:54:31.320 Oh fuck. 851 00:54:33.800 --> 00:54:39.960 Oh show. Musk made comments about his transdorter and her 852 00:54:40.039 --> 00:54:44.719 trans identity right on social media and in an interview 853 00:54:44.719 --> 00:54:47.880 that was posted online. Musk said she was not a 854 00:54:47.920 --> 00:54:52.559 girl and was figuratively dead, and he alleged that he 855 00:54:52.639 --> 00:54:56.920 had been tricked into authorizing trans related medical treatment for 856 00:54:57.000 --> 00:55:00.559 her when she was sixteen. She he has, of course 857 00:55:00.599 --> 00:55:04.800 denied that he was tricked. She said, initially he did hesitate, 858 00:55:05.639 --> 00:55:07.480 but he knew what he was doing when he agreed 859 00:55:07.480 --> 00:55:13.000 to her treatments, which required consent from parents, despite what 860 00:55:13.039 --> 00:55:16.280 folks were saying about that kind of treatment. But she said, 861 00:55:16.320 --> 00:55:18.440 you know, ultimately he did know what he was doing. 862 00:55:18.880 --> 00:55:22.719 And all this other narrative is you come after the fact. 863 00:55:23.679 --> 00:55:26.519 According to her, one of Musk's most derided posts, a 864 00:55:26.639 --> 00:55:31.199 reply to the anti trans organization Gays against Groomers, attributing 865 00:55:31.400 --> 00:55:35.360 her gender dysphoria to being born gay and slightly autistic, 866 00:55:35.960 --> 00:55:39.840 was crammed full of false statements about her childhood. Musk's 867 00:55:39.960 --> 00:55:44.440 claims that she exhibited stereotypically gay traits at age four, 868 00:55:44.719 --> 00:55:48.880 like a love for musicals and fabulous jackets, Wilson wrote, 869 00:55:48.960 --> 00:55:53.000 or entirely fake, Like literally none of this ever happened. 870 00:55:53.360 --> 00:55:56.159 She wrote, at four years old, she did not know 871 00:55:56.199 --> 00:55:59.119 the word fabulous and had no idea what a musical was. 872 00:55:59.400 --> 00:56:05.440 She counted because she was fucking four, right. My best 873 00:56:05.480 --> 00:56:10.039 gass is that he went to the Miloanapolis School of 874 00:56:10.119 --> 00:56:14.880 Gay Stereotypes, just picked some at random and said, eh, 875 00:56:15.079 --> 00:56:18.480 good enough. She added, referencing the disgrace for a r 876 00:56:18.679 --> 00:56:24.199 propagandist and one time campaign manager for Kanya West Musk's 877 00:56:24.280 --> 00:56:27.800 pity party, she said felt like a last ditch attempt 878 00:56:27.920 --> 00:56:31.320 to garner sympathy points when he is so obviously in 879 00:56:31.360 --> 00:56:36.400 the wrong, even in his own fucking story. I love 880 00:56:36.440 --> 00:56:40.760 this kid, she gives no fox. She called him an 881 00:56:40.800 --> 00:56:46.559 absentee father who relentlessly harassed her for displaying femininity on 882 00:56:46.639 --> 00:56:50.840 the occasions he was actually present. Obviously you can't say that, 883 00:56:50.920 --> 00:56:54.519 So I've been reduced to a happy little stereotype faggoting 884 00:56:54.920 --> 00:56:57.840 along to use at his discretion. That's what I have 885 00:56:57.960 --> 00:57:04.239 to assume. That meant there's asterisks and dashes. I think 886 00:57:04.280 --> 00:57:06.639 that says a lot about how he views queer people 887 00:57:06.760 --> 00:57:09.880 and children in general. She finished her thread with a 888 00:57:09.960 --> 00:57:14.079 dismissive call for Musk and his pick me accolytes to 889 00:57:14.119 --> 00:57:17.039 go touch some fucking grass. 890 00:57:17.559 --> 00:57:19.079 Get them. I know. 891 00:57:20.719 --> 00:57:24.519 She changed her name in twenty twenty two to rebuke 892 00:57:24.599 --> 00:57:29.000 her estranged father. Quote. I no longer live with or 893 00:57:29.039 --> 00:57:32.679 wish to be related to my biological father in any way, 894 00:57:33.079 --> 00:57:38.079 shape or form, she wrote at the time. On Thursday, 895 00:57:37.320 --> 00:57:41.840 she further clarified her version of events in another Threads post, 896 00:57:41.920 --> 00:57:47.039 stating that I disowned him, not the other way around. Truth. 897 00:57:47.840 --> 00:57:50.239 She referred to Musk in that post by the name 898 00:57:50.360 --> 00:57:54.119 Adrian Dittman, which some believe is actually one of Musk's 899 00:57:54.119 --> 00:58:03.159 own sock puppet accounts on Twitter. Wow, you know I 900 00:58:03.239 --> 00:58:07.039 love this kid, right, I love this kid. 901 00:58:07.360 --> 00:58:10.880 Well, you know how he said that she was killed 902 00:58:10.880 --> 00:58:16.599 by the woke mind virus. Yeah, so she responded with 903 00:58:17.199 --> 00:58:18.760 a tweet. 904 00:58:18.519 --> 00:58:20.199 Oh, this is the delicious part. 905 00:58:20.760 --> 00:58:24.519 I look pretty good for a dead bitch, which is 906 00:58:24.559 --> 00:58:27.719 a reference to Morgan Michaels from Drag Race. 907 00:58:29.559 --> 00:58:30.199 Yeah. 908 00:58:30.280 --> 00:58:34.400 Yeah, because there was a rumor that Morgan Michaels was 909 00:58:34.480 --> 00:58:36.920 dead and that was pervasive, and this was on Twitter, 910 00:58:37.679 --> 00:58:43.880 and when she was on All Stars three, I guess 911 00:58:44.159 --> 00:58:46.320 that was her her entrance line. I looked pretty good 912 00:58:46.360 --> 00:58:53.719 for a dead bitch. Just further leaning into the fagotry, 913 00:58:53.760 --> 00:58:57.599 the alleged faggotry, right right, I love this kid. 914 00:58:57.880 --> 00:59:02.719 Right, I mean the actual tweet that I read to you. 915 00:59:03.079 --> 00:59:05.960 Yes, First of all, I want to point out we 916 00:59:05.960 --> 00:59:09.320 were saying the words tweet. But this is all on her. 917 00:59:09.519 --> 00:59:13.480 Her portion of this debate is all on Threads. Use 918 00:59:15.039 --> 00:59:19.280 the anti Twitter or x so, she says, as for 919 00:59:19.480 --> 00:59:24.480 if I'm not a woman, sure, jan whatever, whatever, whatever 920 00:59:24.519 --> 00:59:28.239 you said, It was my favorite part, whatever you say. 921 00:59:28.639 --> 00:59:31.719 I'm legally recognized as a woman in the state of California, 922 00:59:31.760 --> 00:59:34.119 and I don't concern myself with the opinions of those 923 00:59:34.159 --> 00:59:38.079 who are below me. Obviously, Elon can't say the same, because, 924 00:59:38.079 --> 00:59:40.840 in a ketamine fueled haze, he's desperate for attention and 925 00:59:40.920 --> 00:59:44.719 validation from an army of degenerate, red pilled end cells 926 00:59:44.719 --> 00:59:46.960 and pick me's who are quick to give it to him. 927 00:59:47.320 --> 00:59:49.159 Go touch some fucking grass. 928 00:59:49.159 --> 00:59:54.800 Oh my goodness, sparkle emoji. Yes, I love this kid. 929 00:59:55.360 --> 01:00:00.360 I love this kid. Yeah, I just hit like well, 930 01:00:00.400 --> 01:00:05.960 good good, because you should. This episode is brought to 931 01:00:05.960 --> 01:00:09.159 you by the iced tea We're sipping, if not spilling, 932 01:00:09.480 --> 01:00:14.960 and discovering brand new genetics experts every month, fucking day. So, 933 01:00:15.119 --> 01:00:19.159 San Diego has joined San Francisco and Santa Clara County 934 01:00:19.199 --> 01:00:23.280 in California declaring August to be Transgender History Month. 935 01:00:23.880 --> 01:00:24.400 Very cool. 936 01:00:24.599 --> 01:00:29.079 The proclamation honors the trans women who rioted at Compton's 937 01:00:29.119 --> 01:00:35.480 Cafeteria in August of nineteen sixty six. I was months old. 938 01:00:37.440 --> 01:00:43.880 I was I was months old. Quote this from I 939 01:00:43.880 --> 01:00:48.360 guess City council member Jennifer Campbell. With the rise in 940 01:00:48.360 --> 01:00:51.800 ana trans hate and bigotry, I want our trans community 941 01:00:51.880 --> 01:00:53.880 to know that I see you, I respect you, and 942 01:00:53.920 --> 01:00:58.079 I love you, as does this entire council. More importantly, 943 01:00:58.119 --> 01:01:02.000 our city honors and celebrates all of the wonderful contributions 944 01:01:02.320 --> 01:01:07.519 you have made to San Diego. Happy transgender history months. Okay, 945 01:01:08.280 --> 01:01:13.159 that's fun, I love it. Yeah. Yeah. So it was 946 01:01:13.239 --> 01:01:17.199 trans women who rioted at Gene Compton's cafeteria in the 947 01:01:17.239 --> 01:01:22.400 Tenderloin district of San Francisco, which of course predated the 948 01:01:22.440 --> 01:01:26.400 Stonewall riots by three years. A great documentary out there 949 01:01:26.400 --> 01:01:27.679 called Screaming Queens. 950 01:01:27.719 --> 01:01:29.360 I was just going to say, there's a documentary that 951 01:01:29.360 --> 01:01:30.559 we saw about it. 952 01:01:30.519 --> 01:01:32.840 From Susan Striker. Yeah, that was her work. 953 01:01:32.920 --> 01:01:34.840 Wouldn't mind seeing it again, Yes. 954 01:01:34.599 --> 01:01:38.719 I wouldn't neither. Compton's was habitually hostile to their transplientele, 955 01:01:39.000 --> 01:01:42.159 who were numerous in the red light district. Trans Patrons 956 01:01:42.199 --> 01:01:45.679 were subject to an extra service fee, and staff regularly 957 01:01:45.760 --> 01:01:48.960 called police to expel customers from the all hours diner. 958 01:01:49.400 --> 01:01:52.960 Police were frequently customers as well. Because trans women were 959 01:01:53.000 --> 01:01:56.239 easy targets for arrest for violations of the city's cross 960 01:01:56.360 --> 01:02:00.000 dressing prohibitions, buttons on the wrong side of a shirt 961 01:02:00.440 --> 01:02:03.960 could lead to a night behind bars. Wow tensions came 962 01:02:04.000 --> 01:02:06.719 to a head on a hot night in August after 963 01:02:06.760 --> 01:02:11.119 a Compton's worker called police claiming that some transgender customers 964 01:02:11.320 --> 01:02:15.760 had become raucous. A trans patron was harassed by a 965 01:02:15.800 --> 01:02:18.480 cop and threw a cup of coffee in his face. 966 01:02:18.760 --> 01:02:22.559 A riot broke out, with trans patron's overwhelming police and 967 01:02:22.719 --> 01:02:26.360 pushing them out of the cafeteria, smashing the diner's plate 968 01:02:26.440 --> 01:02:31.920 glass windows and shouting their defiance. A news stand outside 969 01:02:31.960 --> 01:02:35.400 the diner was burned to the ground and police vehicles 970 01:02:35.400 --> 01:02:40.360 were damaged. Dozens were arrested and cart it off to jail. 971 01:02:41.119 --> 01:02:45.280 The next day, protesters gathered again at Compton's, which denied 972 01:02:45.280 --> 01:02:49.159 them entry. They smashed the newly installed plate glass windows 973 01:02:49.199 --> 01:02:53.960 once again. Ha At the San Diego Council meeting, trans 974 01:02:54.039 --> 01:02:58.719 Family Support Services youth volunteer Blue London said remembering transistory 975 01:02:58.800 --> 01:03:03.880 as a connection to those heroic protesters quote by sharing 976 01:03:03.920 --> 01:03:07.320 the opportunity to learn about the stories of others who 977 01:03:07.360 --> 01:03:11.000 came before us, we make space to imagine futures of 978 01:03:11.039 --> 01:03:14.199 our own that we may not have seen if not 979 01:03:14.320 --> 01:03:20.599 for the preservation of our communities past. Yeah, as Republicans 980 01:03:20.599 --> 01:03:23.920 do their nonsense, Yeah, San diego right, And it. 981 01:03:23.880 --> 01:03:26.400 All comes down to you don't fuck with the girls, 982 01:03:26.599 --> 01:03:30.880 because I that's a lesson I learned just seeing, like 983 01:03:33.199 --> 01:03:36.119 I swear to god, I saw this one chick pull 984 01:03:36.159 --> 01:03:38.480 a ball peen hammer out of a clutch like fucking 985 01:03:38.960 --> 01:03:44.880 Mary Poppins. You don't fuck with the girl. 986 01:03:45.360 --> 01:03:51.079 Well, well, I mean when you have very little to 987 01:03:51.159 --> 01:03:54.320 lose in this world and you are marginalized to the 988 01:03:54.440 --> 01:03:59.159 point trans women were certainly back at that point in 989 01:03:59.199 --> 01:04:02.320 our history. Yeah, they led the charge. I mean this 990 01:04:02.559 --> 01:04:05.320 was really trans women who led the charge, and many 991 01:04:05.400 --> 01:04:08.000 were still alive and interviewed for that documentary. So I 992 01:04:08.079 --> 01:04:08.360 love it. 993 01:04:08.480 --> 01:04:11.440 And when you spend a good chunk of your waking 994 01:04:11.559 --> 01:04:14.519 time wishing a motherfucker would and then a motherfucker does. 995 01:04:14.639 --> 01:04:17.119 Right, I mean, you know we're talking about women who 996 01:04:17.119 --> 01:04:20.159 couldn't get jobs, and yeah, you know, yes they were 997 01:04:20.159 --> 01:04:23.039 sex workers gathering, Yes they were because that was the 998 01:04:23.039 --> 01:04:27.440 only avenue that very few Yeah, anything else to make 999 01:04:27.480 --> 01:04:31.000 money to support themselves to eat. Yeah even Yeah. 1000 01:04:31.000 --> 01:04:33.199 That's why we call it survival sex work. 1001 01:04:33.280 --> 01:04:36.920 And you know, we had something similar to Dewey's in Philadelphia, Yeah, 1002 01:04:37.559 --> 01:04:41.079 which became where the queer's little piece. That was Little Pietz. 1003 01:04:41.159 --> 01:04:45.000 But yeah, right before it closed, which it closed recently 1004 01:04:45.000 --> 01:04:48.159 as Little PiZZ in the last what five years. Yeah, 1005 01:04:49.559 --> 01:04:52.800 but that was that was Dewey's and big queer population 1006 01:04:53.000 --> 01:04:56.719 back in the day. It was still at Little PiZZ too, 1007 01:04:55.960 --> 01:04:57.719 was gathered there. 1008 01:04:58.039 --> 01:05:01.840 Yeah, I knew Little Pets as a place that the 1009 01:05:01.920 --> 01:05:02.440 gays went. 1010 01:05:02.719 --> 01:05:06.199 Yeah, the Midtown was just closer to where we usually 1011 01:05:06.360 --> 01:05:09.360 ended the night, So that's why we all congregated at 1012 01:05:09.400 --> 01:05:10.000 the Midtown. 1013 01:05:10.440 --> 01:05:13.519 Yeah, Midtown is where more of mid queens went because 1014 01:05:13.639 --> 01:05:18.159 that's you know, it was right on after the bars closed, 1015 01:05:18.239 --> 01:05:19.159 that's where that's. 1016 01:05:19.039 --> 01:05:23.840 Where we went. Yeah, it was right on Eleventh Street. Yes, yep, yep, yep, yep. 1017 01:05:23.920 --> 01:05:25.440 After party at the Midtown, y'all. 1018 01:05:26.800 --> 01:05:31.920 So many times, so many times we saw some stuff 1019 01:05:32.039 --> 01:05:35.119 m breakfast at three am. There's nothing like that. 1020 01:05:35.320 --> 01:05:37.599 It's true. I've only I had only been in that 1021 01:05:37.679 --> 01:05:40.199 place in the daylight twice in my entire life. 1022 01:05:40.599 --> 01:05:43.639 I know, I heard like that. I said it would 1023 01:05:43.679 --> 01:05:45.639 be weird. I wouldn't know how to order like dinner 1024 01:05:45.840 --> 01:05:47.760 at the Midtown like I guess people do. 1025 01:05:48.000 --> 01:05:50.079 I mean, it was still breakfast time or lunch. 1026 01:05:50.719 --> 01:05:51.679 Yeah, I mean, but. 1027 01:05:51.679 --> 01:05:53.480 It was just the sun was out, which was but. 1028 01:05:53.400 --> 01:05:57.559 The sun, Yeah, in that place, it's kind of like what, yeah, what. 1029 01:05:57.800 --> 01:05:58.760 It did feel strange? 1030 01:06:00.480 --> 01:06:05.000 Yeah? Yeah, yeah it was. It was a three am 1031 01:06:05.119 --> 01:06:10.119 kind of place. Breast and Juliani to Varis Juliani, Welcome 1032 01:06:10.159 --> 01:06:14.039 to the Full Circle table so much. 1033 01:06:14.079 --> 01:06:17.880 I'm so excited to be here with y'all again, thinking 1034 01:06:17.920 --> 01:06:21.000 about theater in that larger sense of like storytelling in 1035 01:06:21.039 --> 01:06:23.239 that ancient way, you know, for as long as we've 1036 01:06:23.280 --> 01:06:25.599 been around, I think we've circled up and told stories 1037 01:06:25.639 --> 01:06:29.159 and live in that way. And then of course education 1038 01:06:29.320 --> 01:06:33.800 and that aspect of really pouring into education, which I think, 1039 01:06:33.840 --> 01:06:35.400 you know, if we look at in the States, at 1040 01:06:35.480 --> 01:06:39.119 least around us and probably in many countries, you know, 1041 01:06:39.119 --> 01:06:41.960 it's it's but I know where I am, I'm like, there, 1042 01:06:42.000 --> 01:06:43.960 could we need a lot more attention and funding and 1043 01:06:44.000 --> 01:06:50.159 investing into education and the art and education for young people. 1044 01:06:50.679 --> 01:06:52.039 It's such formative years. 1045 01:06:52.039 --> 01:06:53.280 So yeah, I was just. 1046 01:06:53.239 --> 01:06:58.000 Like, you're here, yeah, you remember going into schools and 1047 01:06:58.039 --> 01:07:00.159 bringing art there. Do you remember that churls in the 1048 01:07:00.159 --> 01:07:02.280 early nineties, Yeah, when there was money. 1049 01:07:03.119 --> 01:07:05.679 Yeah, oh, back when they were when it. 1050 01:07:05.559 --> 01:07:07.199 Was a little, when there was a crumb. 1051 01:07:07.480 --> 01:07:10.239 And I remember right as a kid in public schools 1052 01:07:10.280 --> 01:07:12.360 like those were, even if it was like a group 1053 01:07:12.400 --> 01:07:13.719 that came in for a week and I never saw 1054 01:07:13.760 --> 01:07:16.039 them again. Change my life, like change my life for sure. 1055 01:07:16.159 --> 01:07:18.800 So I was honored to be that for other young 1056 01:07:18.840 --> 01:07:20.519 people when I was a teaching artist, you know, all 1057 01:07:20.519 --> 01:07:22.480 over New York. And I hope to still do work 1058 01:07:23.280 --> 01:07:25.280 like that in the future. But in the meantime, it's 1059 01:07:25.280 --> 01:07:29.239 so special that the work I'm writing is getting to yeah, 1060 01:07:29.519 --> 01:07:30.480 connect with young. 1061 01:07:30.280 --> 01:07:33.639 People across the country, which is really exciting and older people. 1062 01:07:33.679 --> 01:07:36.840 All it is always yeah, and. 1063 01:07:36.960 --> 01:07:39.840 Now as an artist, you know, any recognition for the 1064 01:07:39.880 --> 01:07:44.079 work we do is like, ohxues you know the thing 1065 01:07:44.159 --> 01:07:47.119 I'm doing, I'm doing it for a reason and you believe. 1066 01:07:46.880 --> 01:07:49.800 Me too, No, literally exactly. 1067 01:07:49.880 --> 01:07:51.280 So I was asked me that, I was like, it 1068 01:07:51.360 --> 01:07:53.960 really was that where I was like, okay, affirmation, Okay, 1069 01:07:54.000 --> 01:07:56.519 I should keep going, like I shouldn't just given to 1070 01:07:56.639 --> 01:07:59.000 the like little mean voices that are like it doesn't 1071 01:07:59.039 --> 01:08:01.960 matter nothing, Like what's the point. You know, those voices 1072 01:08:02.000 --> 01:08:05.199 are real, especially yeah, when there is less money for 1073 01:08:05.239 --> 01:08:10.280 the arts and you know, intense economy and political landscape, 1074 01:08:10.280 --> 01:08:13.159 it can really be easy to start feeling like is 1075 01:08:13.199 --> 01:08:14.639 this really the thing that I need to be doing 1076 01:08:14.679 --> 01:08:17.359 right now? Like, you know, is this the most important thing? 1077 01:08:17.439 --> 01:08:19.840 Like is it even matters? Even having an impact? 1078 01:08:21.199 --> 01:08:24.000 And my whole life has been a constant spiral return 1079 01:08:24.159 --> 01:08:26.960 to like yes, calm down, friend, like it matters, Like 1080 01:08:27.000 --> 01:08:28.840 it matters, this work matters. It matters to you, and 1081 01:08:28.880 --> 01:08:29.479 it matters. 1082 01:08:29.279 --> 01:08:29.920 To other people. 1083 01:08:30.199 --> 01:08:32.840 So definitely felt that way too to get and i'mally 1084 01:08:32.800 --> 01:08:35.359 excited because they're gonna yeah exactly. 1085 01:08:35.359 --> 01:08:38.000 I'm like, Okay, maybe maybe most of something. Maybe I'm 1086 01:08:38.039 --> 01:08:40.039 on my path and I need to stop doubting myself 1087 01:08:40.039 --> 01:08:40.640 on every time. 1088 01:08:41.479 --> 01:08:43.560 This episode is brought to you by de Camp to 1089 01:08:43.720 --> 01:08:48.359 Drug Wine and Peak Produce season. Here in the Garden State, 1090 01:08:49.399 --> 01:08:51.920 I have my first real tomato sandwich of the season. 1091 01:08:52.560 --> 01:08:54.159 I had a cigarette afterwards. 1092 01:08:54.520 --> 01:08:57.640 I was so excited to start watching Breaking this year 1093 01:08:57.880 --> 01:09:00.199 in the Olympic. Yes, it took me a while to 1094 01:09:00.199 --> 01:09:04.520 stop crying. I know, we haven't even finished watching it. 1095 01:09:04.560 --> 01:09:11.239 Thank goodness for Peacock because we started watching the women's qualifiers. 1096 01:09:10.560 --> 01:09:16.680 And other than the unfortunate Australian, some really good stuff. 1097 01:09:16.800 --> 01:09:18.880 Oh yeah, there's there was some amazing stuff. 1098 01:09:19.319 --> 01:09:23.920 I got another opportunity to be disappointed by white people. 1099 01:09:25.199 --> 01:09:31.720 Yeah because social media and yeah, yeah people, I actually 1100 01:09:31.800 --> 01:09:35.840 like going making a joke of breaking in the Olympics. 1101 01:09:36.239 --> 01:09:40.000 Oh yeah, casual racism. Oh I know, I've been here 1102 01:09:40.000 --> 01:09:42.520 to what's next? Ti Ley Wings shut the fuck up? 1103 01:09:43.319 --> 01:09:43.880 First of all. 1104 01:09:44.119 --> 01:09:48.439 Yeah, I mean we know bee boys and bee girls 1105 01:09:48.640 --> 01:09:52.520 who and they're at they're fucking athletes, the strongest. Fuck 1106 01:09:54.279 --> 01:09:58.960 there's talent and discipline involved. Oh yeah. It is not 1107 01:09:59.199 --> 01:10:02.560 just an art form, but it can be quite athletic 1108 01:10:03.039 --> 01:10:06.479 and wow wow. 1109 01:10:07.359 --> 01:10:10.239 And it was really interesting because like the it's not 1110 01:10:10.319 --> 01:10:13.399 a point system, it's there's nine judges. 1111 01:10:13.520 --> 01:10:15.800 I felt like pose a little bit. 1112 01:10:16.000 --> 01:10:18.319 It was kind of like ten or chop, like do 1113 01:10:18.359 --> 01:10:20.439 you either got votes or you didn't, and if you 1114 01:10:20.520 --> 01:10:23.680 got more votes than you want and you know, I 1115 01:10:23.800 --> 01:10:24.560 kind of like that. 1116 01:10:24.880 --> 01:10:28.079 They didn't rank them, they just they had to choose 1117 01:10:28.119 --> 01:10:31.640 between the two, right, So they kept doing battles. That's 1118 01:10:31.680 --> 01:10:32.560 how far we are in. 1119 01:10:32.640 --> 01:10:35.760 Yeah, they did round robins and out of two rounds, 1120 01:10:36.039 --> 01:10:39.479 whoever got the most votes moved on. 1121 01:10:40.239 --> 01:10:44.760 So except people were moving on anyway. I think it 1122 01:10:44.880 --> 01:10:46.479 was like without being cut. 1123 01:10:46.399 --> 01:10:49.520 The tops and the bottoms moved on or something. I'm 1124 01:10:49.520 --> 01:10:50.159 not sure how that. 1125 01:10:50.119 --> 01:10:51.039 Works as happens. 1126 01:10:52.479 --> 01:10:55.399 I guess I've had it spoiled as to who won 1127 01:10:55.439 --> 01:10:58.960 the gold. But you know, if you're like me and 1128 01:10:59.000 --> 01:11:00.760 you haven't finished watch it. Yeah, I'm not going to 1129 01:11:00.840 --> 01:11:04.239 spoil it here, but congratulations. 1130 01:11:03.000 --> 01:11:07.880 And Breaking will not re emerge in twenty eight in La, 1131 01:11:08.000 --> 01:11:10.640 which I think is bullshit. It is bullshit in this 1132 01:11:10.760 --> 01:11:12.800 country where it started. 1133 01:11:13.840 --> 01:11:17.199 I mean to argue it should have started here any anyway. 1134 01:11:16.880 --> 01:11:21.840 But no, what I'm saying where Breaking started right in 1135 01:11:21.880 --> 01:11:26.600 this country, right, the LA Olympics will not be featuring Breaking. 1136 01:11:26.800 --> 01:11:27.840 Yeah, I don't like that. 1137 01:11:28.359 --> 01:11:30.159 I don't like it either. I think it's bullshit. 1138 01:11:30.319 --> 01:11:35.319 It is, but we saw some really cool people, like 1139 01:11:35.680 --> 01:11:40.279 but folks from Japan were insane. The B girls from 1140 01:11:40.600 --> 01:11:45.640 the US came to play, the one. 1141 01:11:45.479 --> 01:11:48.279 Where didn't come to play. 1142 01:11:47.560 --> 01:11:53.920 Exactly, the one girl, Nikki from Lithuania, she showed out. 1143 01:11:54.359 --> 01:12:01.960 And then there was B girl Raygun from Australa who 1144 01:12:02.960 --> 01:12:06.760 can have the moniker now the worst breaker in the world. 1145 01:12:11.479 --> 01:12:13.479 I'm reminded of a story of. 1146 01:12:16.199 --> 01:12:22.560 So I was twenty and I had a friend who 1147 01:12:22.640 --> 01:12:26.960 was twenty, and we were both managers and a certain 1148 01:12:27.039 --> 01:12:31.800 fast food franchise, and we would hang out and he 1149 01:12:31.960 --> 01:12:36.479 loved strip clubs. And there was one very tiny hole 1150 01:12:36.520 --> 01:12:39.560 in the wall strip club across from one very tiny 1151 01:12:39.640 --> 01:12:42.720 restaurant that we both had occasion to work in here 1152 01:12:42.800 --> 01:12:49.119 and there. And it was this one mid afternoon when 1153 01:12:49.159 --> 01:12:53.399 we met up at said strip club and that strip. 1154 01:12:53.359 --> 01:12:55.680 Of prime time that's when the a squad's out. 1155 01:12:55.840 --> 01:13:02.960 No it's not, but he was having relations with the 1156 01:13:03.000 --> 01:13:06.560 girl who was normally dancing at that time, and so 1157 01:13:06.680 --> 01:13:11.479 we went to ostensibly, I guess say hi, and she 1158 01:13:11.640 --> 01:13:15.680 was not. She had called out that day and said 1159 01:13:15.680 --> 01:13:21.239 the bartender, who lovely woman, but keep in mind were 1160 01:13:21.279 --> 01:13:26.319 twenty and she's somewhere in her late forties and a parent, 1161 01:13:26.800 --> 01:13:30.319 the mother of more than one I forget how many kids. 1162 01:13:30.600 --> 01:13:35.840 But anyway, rather than just say the stripper's not here, 1163 01:13:39.159 --> 01:13:40.920 she got up on the stage. 1164 01:13:41.239 --> 01:13:43.920 Had no dead air in this establishment. 1165 01:13:43.560 --> 01:13:51.960 And she danced to Sledgehammer. Ooh, I will never forget 1166 01:13:52.000 --> 01:13:59.760 the song. That played, and he gave her twenty dollars 1167 01:13:59.800 --> 01:14:02.359 to please get down and put her clothes back on. 1168 01:14:02.840 --> 01:14:07.439 That happened. That happened in my life. Yeah, I'm sorry. 1169 01:14:07.479 --> 01:14:10.279 I forget why I was telling this story, but it feelstremaine. 1170 01:14:10.479 --> 01:14:12.840 When I started the story, it felt to me, was. 1171 01:14:12.800 --> 01:14:14.960 She better than the Australian breakdancer? 1172 01:14:15.399 --> 01:14:19.520 No? No, but it felt again like somebody's mom stepped 1173 01:14:19.560 --> 01:14:23.960 in at the last minute and said, I can do this, 1174 01:14:25.000 --> 01:14:27.880 so there's not dead air. It very much felt like 1175 01:14:28.840 --> 01:14:33.039 it was not okay back then, and it was not 1176 01:14:33.319 --> 01:14:35.119 okay at the Olympics. 1177 01:14:35.279 --> 01:14:38.079 It very much felt like it felt very popular video 1178 01:14:38.760 --> 01:14:42.479 on the Internet of the little white woman in the 1179 01:14:42.840 --> 01:14:47.680 blue track suit talking about this is hip hop. See 1180 01:14:47.680 --> 01:14:51.039 how I turned my feet in that that's what makes 1181 01:14:51.079 --> 01:14:53.800 it hip hop. Yeah, she was very much that, like. 1182 01:14:55.720 --> 01:14:58.800 I have never seen I mean, and I have. You know, 1183 01:14:58.840 --> 01:15:05.920 we know some white be people phoebe, but but but 1184 01:15:06.720 --> 01:15:07.880 not that white. 1185 01:15:08.279 --> 01:15:11.079 Oh my god. When she got down on the ground 1186 01:15:11.159 --> 01:15:15.319 and did the curly you're running around in a circle 1187 01:15:15.359 --> 01:15:17.359 on your side, like really. 1188 01:15:17.079 --> 01:15:20.159 Bitch, really, my soul emptied itself. 1189 01:15:24.199 --> 01:15:27.039 I and then she did a buddy hop. 1190 01:15:28.680 --> 01:15:31.239 Or was that a kangaroo. I don't even I don't know. 1191 01:15:31.399 --> 01:15:34.680 I don't know what that was. I just I the 1192 01:15:34.720 --> 01:15:37.920 whole time I was watching her, I was thinking of 1193 01:15:39.039 --> 01:15:41.479 the bartender who said the show must go on. 1194 01:15:45.159 --> 01:15:47.960 Somebody good could have had that spot. 1195 01:15:48.239 --> 01:15:50.640 Yeah, And since I'm already going to hell, I guess 1196 01:15:50.720 --> 01:15:53.279 the upside was everything that no one wanted to look 1197 01:15:53.319 --> 01:15:55.960 at kind of fell behind her arms. Anyway, when she 1198 01:15:56.119 --> 01:16:00.000 laid down, but not good, it wasn't good. It was 1199 01:16:00.319 --> 01:16:03.600 like it was just please don't do this, Please don't, 1200 01:16:04.520 --> 01:16:08.079 please don't. Oh home, we're gonna do it, and. 1201 01:16:08.000 --> 01:16:09.840 Please and it hurt. 1202 01:16:10.079 --> 01:16:10.840 Please stop. 1203 01:16:10.960 --> 01:16:16.600 When her last round was against Nikki from Ornico from Lithuania. 1204 01:16:16.000 --> 01:16:17.720 I would have left at that boy. I would have 1205 01:16:17.760 --> 01:16:21.119 just said, just watch her right, I'm done. 1206 01:16:21.199 --> 01:16:23.079 I know I'm done, because it was very much like 1207 01:16:23.119 --> 01:16:26.279 that moment in the Simpsons. Stop stop, he's already dead, 1208 01:16:26.560 --> 01:16:27.199 like it. 1209 01:16:27.119 --> 01:16:29.279 Was, oh child. 1210 01:16:29.840 --> 01:16:33.680 So I'm glad that breaking is in the Olympics, and 1211 01:16:33.760 --> 01:16:35.439 I'm sad that it won't be in the next one. 1212 01:16:35.560 --> 01:16:40.399 I am too. I hope that LA will reconsider that position. Truly. 1213 01:16:40.479 --> 01:16:44.600 I do guess breaking is at first an American art form, yes, 1214 01:16:44.640 --> 01:16:47.840 and it is an art form, and it is athleticism, 1215 01:16:48.199 --> 01:16:50.880 and I think it belongs there. 1216 01:16:51.439 --> 01:16:52.079 I agree. 1217 01:16:52.319 --> 01:16:56.159 I think that the arguments against this are classist and 1218 01:16:56.279 --> 01:17:04.680 racist and unfair. Person only. Yeah yeah, that said, Oh god, 1219 01:17:06.920 --> 01:17:14.720 she really was dressed for golf, and not in a 1220 01:17:14.880 --> 01:17:15.439 good way. 1221 01:17:15.600 --> 01:17:19.760 And she straight up said, colors, I guess I knew 1222 01:17:19.800 --> 01:17:22.920 that I couldn't compete against these younger people who were 1223 01:17:22.960 --> 01:17:25.600 at the top of their game doing what they do. 1224 01:17:25.680 --> 01:17:27.880 So I figured, when am I going to get the 1225 01:17:27.960 --> 01:17:30.520 chance again to do something on the world stage where 1226 01:17:30.520 --> 01:17:33.479 I can be creative and be more you know, free 1227 01:17:33.479 --> 01:17:34.800 flowing and improvisational. 1228 01:17:34.840 --> 01:17:35.079 Bitch. 1229 01:17:35.159 --> 01:17:38.199 Now was not the time. Well this was good, This 1230 01:17:38.319 --> 01:17:39.000 was you know, I. 1231 01:17:39.039 --> 01:17:41.399 Mean as her as far as her taking her shot, 1232 01:17:41.680 --> 01:17:44.960 Sure it was. But now you will forever be known 1233 01:17:45.000 --> 01:17:50.600 as the whitest woman to ever break dance in anyone's mind, ever, the. 1234 01:17:50.359 --> 01:17:52.840 Worst breaker in the world. 1235 01:17:53.600 --> 01:17:57.640 Yeah, like, but she won shit. I mean, I guess 1236 01:17:57.640 --> 01:18:03.720 against other moms. Maybe that's their parent teacher association, like, hey, 1237 01:18:03.840 --> 01:18:06.199 let's take it to the floor and then like that's 1238 01:18:06.199 --> 01:18:09.000 how they work out their differences. And she thought, you know, 1239 01:18:09.520 --> 01:18:14.439 I'm the most talented among us, you know, and you 1240 01:18:14.479 --> 01:18:17.279 know I don't want to dip in Australian how's wives go. 1241 01:18:17.720 --> 01:18:18.199 I don't want to. 1242 01:18:20.439 --> 01:18:24.439 Or the poopy as it were, because we've got we've 1243 01:18:24.479 --> 01:18:26.279 got lots of Australian listener. 1244 01:18:26.399 --> 01:18:30.439 We do, and we yes, and that being said, But 1245 01:18:30.720 --> 01:18:33.520 I don't think I'm breaking the news to y'all when 1246 01:18:33.720 --> 01:18:35.640 I say that when you think of funk, you don't 1247 01:18:35.680 --> 01:18:38.800 necessarily think of Australia first. I'm just saying, when you 1248 01:18:38.840 --> 01:18:41.760 think of funk, you don't necessarily think of suburban white 1249 01:18:41.800 --> 01:18:43.520 women first. Also that. 1250 01:18:46.199 --> 01:18:54.680 Advisors, Yeah, with high waisted slacks. Those were slacks. Those 1251 01:18:54.760 --> 01:18:59.720 weren't even pants, Those are what we call slacks. She 1252 01:18:59.760 --> 01:19:05.159 had slacks on bright green ones. It wasn't good. Yeah, 1253 01:19:05.239 --> 01:19:07.079 it wasn't good. It wasn't good. 1254 01:19:07.520 --> 01:19:10.399 But and when you were against someone who was actually 1255 01:19:10.479 --> 01:19:14.159 legitimately talented, it the not good was more glaring. 1256 01:19:14.279 --> 01:19:18.119 But it doesn't make up for the casual racism that 1257 01:19:18.239 --> 01:19:21.319 was behind several of the remarks that I've read. Oh yeah, 1258 01:19:22.000 --> 01:19:26.319 and I didn't feel like a perfect representation of the 1259 01:19:26.520 --> 01:19:31.199 art form for sure, right, But that said, I think 1260 01:19:31.199 --> 01:19:32.239 it belongs there. 1261 01:19:32.520 --> 01:19:36.520 Right, And I do love the fact that breaking has 1262 01:19:36.840 --> 01:19:41.359 become and has been international for a good long while. 1263 01:19:41.880 --> 01:19:46.399 It has been inclusive. The essence of hip hop in general, 1264 01:19:47.279 --> 01:19:50.399 regardless of what one might think, and breaking in particular, 1265 01:19:50.560 --> 01:19:55.000 is very inclusive. And so that was good to see. 1266 01:19:55.600 --> 01:20:00.840 But you know, inclusivity has its downsides, like be girl, 1267 01:20:00.920 --> 01:20:17.119 Rey gun Shaw, stop it stop, I'm gonna fight you anyway. 1268 01:20:18.279 --> 01:20:21.760 Anyway now it's in your. 1269 01:20:21.640 --> 01:20:27.920 Head, I'm gonna fight you. But yeah, that want that 1270 01:20:28.079 --> 01:20:29.239 motherfucking note. 1271 01:20:30.800 --> 01:20:33.640 This episode is brought to you by Decanta jug Wine 1272 01:20:33.680 --> 01:20:38.079 and an energized electorate. We are here for. 1273 01:20:38.960 --> 01:20:42.039 So first of all, I just want to point out 1274 01:20:42.319 --> 01:20:45.279 that the way you're you're sitting at your microphone is 1275 01:20:45.680 --> 01:20:48.479 very demure and mindful. 1276 01:20:49.880 --> 01:20:51.319 Demure and mind. 1277 01:20:51.159 --> 01:20:53.319 Yes, you're very demure and mindful. 1278 01:20:55.119 --> 01:21:03.520 What do you mean Charles talking about? 1279 01:21:03.600 --> 01:21:09.000 So there is this viral moment that is happening by 1280 01:21:10.239 --> 01:21:14.960 trans influencer Jules Lebron has gone viral on TikTok with 1281 01:21:15.079 --> 01:21:19.560 this video of her in her car talking about, you know, 1282 01:21:20.079 --> 01:21:22.119 the way I present myself when I go to work, 1283 01:21:22.159 --> 01:21:25.279 I'm very demure, I'm very mindful. Like the way she 1284 01:21:25.319 --> 01:21:28.000 puts her her makeup on. I have a braid in 1285 01:21:28.000 --> 01:21:34.000 my fragrance and it just blew up and it's it's 1286 01:21:34.159 --> 01:21:36.600 crazy to me, Like the only reason why I because 1287 01:21:36.600 --> 01:21:39.439 I've been seeing people talk about demure and mindful and. 1288 01:21:39.479 --> 01:21:42.000 Like, I'm like, why right? 1289 01:21:42.079 --> 01:21:45.159 And then I was listening to Bob the Drag Queen 1290 01:21:45.199 --> 01:21:50.439 and Monique Exchanges podcast, and Bob was like, see the 1291 01:21:50.479 --> 01:21:54.159 way I'm sitting here, I'm very demure and mindful. Okay, 1292 01:21:54.199 --> 01:21:56.600 what is this? So I looked it up and oh, 1293 01:21:58.239 --> 01:22:01.199 like it's been on national news a moment, I know, 1294 01:22:02.479 --> 01:22:05.680 but I brought it up here because I was wondering 1295 01:22:05.720 --> 01:22:08.000 if you A had seen it and b if you 1296 01:22:08.079 --> 01:22:09.319 had any feelings about it. 1297 01:22:11.560 --> 01:22:12.359 I saw it. 1298 01:22:14.119 --> 01:22:15.199 Uh huh. 1299 01:22:15.319 --> 01:22:20.760 I question why it's viral. I'm just being honest because 1300 01:22:22.239 --> 01:22:28.079 it feels like some of that good old respectability politics 1301 01:22:29.319 --> 01:22:33.000 telling other trans people how to behave, like if you 1302 01:22:33.079 --> 01:22:39.279 want to be you know, acceptable. I guess it's, you know, 1303 01:22:39.399 --> 01:22:42.920 a popular trade among some of the dolls. I've never 1304 01:22:43.000 --> 01:22:48.560 particularly enjoyed it, but I wonder if the viral part is, yeah, 1305 01:22:48.600 --> 01:22:50.560 it's about time one of them told the other ones 1306 01:22:50.600 --> 01:22:55.279 how to behave. And I work really hard not to 1307 01:22:55.760 --> 01:22:58.880 try to even suggest I have a right to tell 1308 01:22:58.960 --> 01:23:02.880 other trans people how to trans right. And that's why 1309 01:23:02.960 --> 01:23:06.760 I feel like I have no evidence for this. It's 1310 01:23:06.760 --> 01:23:10.359 why I feel like this is so popular, this has 1311 01:23:10.840 --> 01:23:15.159 become viral, and that's what doesn't sit well with me. 1312 01:23:15.680 --> 01:23:18.800 Does that make any sense? Yes, I did not think 1313 01:23:18.840 --> 01:23:21.920 of that, but those are my thoughts. It's like, why 1314 01:23:21.920 --> 01:23:26.079 would all these people suddenly be what, you know, the 1315 01:23:26.159 --> 01:23:28.960 slight misuse of the word more the word both the 1316 01:23:28.960 --> 01:23:32.520 words to mer and mindful, because it's not really mindfulness 1317 01:23:32.560 --> 01:23:34.800 as we understand it. It's more being mindful of how 1318 01:23:34.800 --> 01:23:40.760 others might perceive you right that you know, so be understated, 1319 01:23:41.840 --> 01:23:46.079 be soft, be quiet, you know, no need to paint 1320 01:23:46.199 --> 01:23:50.560 like a clown, I mean, and you want to say 1321 01:23:50.560 --> 01:23:55.800 that ship to your girlfriends primly ahead. I just it's 1322 01:23:55.880 --> 01:23:59.520 the problem with TikTok and social media, you know what 1323 01:23:59.560 --> 01:24:02.600 I mean? And we do not that liberals don't do 1324 01:24:02.640 --> 01:24:04.800 the same goddamn thing, Like if we catch a right 1325 01:24:04.800 --> 01:24:07.479 winger actually having a moment of clarity, we put it 1326 01:24:07.479 --> 01:24:11.000 all over the place. But that's that's just where it 1327 01:24:11.039 --> 01:24:13.399 feels in my gut. When I saw it, when I 1328 01:24:13.439 --> 01:24:17.600 watched it, when I went, oh, they do love it, 1329 01:24:17.800 --> 01:24:21.079 just like who was it? Her name? Begins with an 1330 01:24:21.199 --> 01:24:24.880 m black comedian Monique. Remember when Monique talked about how 1331 01:24:24.920 --> 01:24:27.079 to be in the airport, oh, with the don't have 1332 01:24:27.159 --> 01:24:30.920 your bonnet right right, and and folks jumped right, you 1333 01:24:30.960 --> 01:24:32.600 know what I mean. But there were a lot of 1334 01:24:32.600 --> 01:24:36.439 people who also were like, yeah, finally somebody's telling them, 1335 01:24:36.600 --> 01:24:40.399 somebody snatching one of their own, right. That response is 1336 01:24:40.399 --> 01:24:41.319 what I feel like this is. 1337 01:24:43.079 --> 01:24:43.199 Now. 1338 01:24:43.239 --> 01:24:45.199 There was the counter response that said, mind your own 1339 01:24:45.279 --> 01:24:48.279 damn business. But and that's kind of where I am 1340 01:24:48.359 --> 01:24:50.119 with all this, Like, I'm not going to tell another 1341 01:24:50.239 --> 01:24:52.840 trans person out of trance. I may have a conversation 1342 01:24:52.920 --> 01:24:55.840 with you if you ask about why you may be 1343 01:24:56.000 --> 01:25:00.319 received a certain way because you are challenging norms, but 1344 01:25:00.399 --> 01:25:01.520 I'm not going to tell you not to. 1345 01:25:02.000 --> 01:25:03.680 If you want to have a smoky eye at the 1346 01:25:03.720 --> 01:25:06.199 bank at two o'clock on a Tuesday, then damn. 1347 01:25:05.920 --> 01:25:09.920 It well, right. And not just that, I mean, if 1348 01:25:09.920 --> 01:25:13.000 you're going to grow at your beard and that's how 1349 01:25:13.039 --> 01:25:17.680 you feel you best express your transness, have at it right. 1350 01:25:17.720 --> 01:25:21.960 I mean. You may suffer backlash, You may you may 1351 01:25:22.079 --> 01:25:27.800 get stairs, you may get more hostility than others. I 1352 01:25:27.880 --> 01:25:31.239 you know that that may be because it's still a 1353 01:25:31.279 --> 01:25:36.159 fucked up world. But yeah, I mean we cringe all 1354 01:25:36.199 --> 01:25:40.680 the time things we see, but we don't publicly talk 1355 01:25:40.720 --> 01:25:43.239 about them. Right, I'm not going to make a tech 1356 01:25:43.359 --> 01:25:47.439 talk trying to snatch anybody because when you unless I'm 1357 01:25:47.439 --> 01:25:51.159 punching up, you know, like I'll snatch Dave Chappelle all 1358 01:25:51.239 --> 01:25:54.000 day long, but not other trans women. 1359 01:25:53.960 --> 01:25:56.560 Right, because when you do, it gives other people the 1360 01:25:56.640 --> 01:25:59.600 idea that they have the right and the room to 1361 01:25:59.640 --> 01:25:59.880 do so. 1362 01:26:00.479 --> 01:26:02.359 Right, Because now I'm waiting for SIS people to walk 1363 01:26:02.399 --> 01:26:05.439 around asking us why we can't be more demure, And 1364 01:26:05.479 --> 01:26:08.920 once that starts, are we gonna be giddy about this 1365 01:26:08.960 --> 01:26:11.159 whole thing? I don't feel like who we are. I 1366 01:26:11.159 --> 01:26:11.520 don't know. 1367 01:26:11.600 --> 01:26:14.439 That's that's and then next thing, you know, the trans 1368 01:26:14.479 --> 01:26:16.640 woman smacked me, and then it's a whole. 1369 01:26:16.439 --> 01:26:19.479 Thing, and then it's a whole thing. Yeah, that's just 1370 01:26:19.640 --> 01:26:24.520 I don't I don't think she meant harm at all. No, 1371 01:26:25.199 --> 01:26:26.800 I'm just telling you how it feels to me. 1372 01:26:26.960 --> 01:26:29.000 But a lot of times no harm is meant. 1373 01:26:29.039 --> 01:26:31.880 I don't think I'm misreading I you know, I don't 1374 01:26:31.880 --> 01:26:34.880 think I'm misreading why it's so popular because it's otherwise 1375 01:26:34.960 --> 01:26:36.560 not all that entertaining. 1376 01:26:36.439 --> 01:26:39.640 It's well, that was my thing. I was like, this 1377 01:26:39.840 --> 01:26:41.199 is having a viral. 1378 01:26:40.880 --> 01:26:46.039 Moment mm hmm. Yeah at a time at a time 1379 01:26:46.479 --> 01:26:51.560 when there's trans hate and transaggression in the news all 1380 01:26:51.600 --> 01:26:55.199 the time, and you know, these Republicans introducing bill after 1381 01:26:55.239 --> 01:26:59.640 bill after bill. Well, it was I just feel like 1382 01:26:59.680 --> 01:27:02.000 it's kind of saying, yes, see, if you better knew 1383 01:27:02.039 --> 01:27:05.399 your police, you would make it easier for us to 1384 01:27:05.600 --> 01:27:05.840 like you. 1385 01:27:06.119 --> 01:27:09.239 It was one thing when this was going viral amongst 1386 01:27:09.239 --> 01:27:12.560 the queers, like that made more sense to me. 1387 01:27:12.920 --> 01:27:15.359 That would be fine if that's where it. 1388 01:27:15.439 --> 01:27:18.199 Because that's all I was hearing about it. And then 1389 01:27:18.439 --> 01:27:25.039 I came across a national news station that was having 1390 01:27:25.039 --> 01:27:26.520 a moment with it, and that's when I was like, 1391 01:27:26.560 --> 01:27:27.319 wait a minute. 1392 01:27:27.399 --> 01:27:30.359 I was reading about it like a newspaper in Boise. 1393 01:27:30.840 --> 01:27:33.720 It was like a daily news show or something that 1394 01:27:34.279 --> 01:27:36.159 was showing the clip and talking about it as it 1395 01:27:36.319 --> 01:27:40.279 like it was a story. That's when I was like, huh. 1396 01:27:39.720 --> 01:27:44.159 I wonder why, right, I don't know why. I know 1397 01:27:44.199 --> 01:27:46.000 why queers might do it, but there's a lot of 1398 01:27:46.000 --> 01:27:50.960 transphobic queers out there. Yeah, but I'm racist. 1399 01:27:51.039 --> 01:27:54.840 True, But you know, when I'm hearing like black and 1400 01:27:54.880 --> 01:27:59.159 brown queers, like repeating a moment like from one of 1401 01:27:59.199 --> 01:28:00.479 the dolls. I'm like, okay, I. 1402 01:28:00.439 --> 01:28:02.520 Get that, we do that. 1403 01:28:02.520 --> 01:28:06.199 That made sense to me. But once it became once 1404 01:28:06.239 --> 01:28:08.560 the CIS had started catching a whiff of it, that's 1405 01:28:08.560 --> 01:28:11.079 when immediately my hackles went up and I was like, huh, 1406 01:28:11.600 --> 01:28:12.960 that's why I wanted to talk about it. 1407 01:28:13.039 --> 01:28:16.720 Well, I don't think she's trying to be ironic or funny, 1408 01:28:17.039 --> 01:28:23.359 or I don't believe it's satire. I believe she was sincere. 1409 01:28:24.000 --> 01:28:25.000 Maybe I'm wrong about that. 1410 01:28:25.439 --> 01:28:27.359 Well, she's also having a monk with the way she 1411 01:28:27.359 --> 01:28:30.960 says because alays demure and mindful. Because she has another 1412 01:28:31.039 --> 01:28:33.960 video I told you about this where she's picking up 1413 01:28:33.960 --> 01:28:36.000 her credit card that she left at a bar. You 1414 01:28:36.079 --> 01:28:37.880 told me, and she was like, you know, when I 1415 01:28:37.920 --> 01:28:39.920 go into the gay bar to get my credit card, 1416 01:28:40.199 --> 01:28:43.119 I am very demure and mindful. I do not stay 1417 01:28:43.159 --> 01:28:46.159 and get drunk. I just take my card and I leave. 1418 01:28:47.159 --> 01:28:50.039 And I'm like, how is that demure and mindful? Then 1419 01:28:50.079 --> 01:28:51.760 it was like, Okay, I guess we're doing a thing 1420 01:28:52.000 --> 01:28:54.039 where everything we do in our day to day we're 1421 01:28:54.039 --> 01:28:58.159 being demure and mindful. I guess. I guess, like, look 1422 01:28:58.199 --> 01:29:01.479 at how I shop for line. I'm very demure, and 1423 01:29:01.960 --> 01:29:02.359 I don't know. 1424 01:29:03.600 --> 01:29:08.119 I don't know either. I just I'm I'm really not 1425 01:29:08.159 --> 01:29:12.720 sure what's so popular about. It doesn't feel right to me, 1426 01:29:13.680 --> 01:29:14.560 just doesn't feel right. 1427 01:29:15.359 --> 01:29:16.960 Okay, she might. 1428 01:29:16.880 --> 01:29:21.039 As well just say there's straight people watching. And my 1429 01:29:21.279 --> 01:29:25.000 larger point is there's straight people watching, So you know, 1430 01:29:25.159 --> 01:29:26.000 maybe I'm no better. 1431 01:29:27.880 --> 01:29:28.359 I don't know. 1432 01:29:30.239 --> 01:29:37.319 You know, you know I criticize no one in my community. Now, 1433 01:29:37.359 --> 01:29:42.600 if you ask me my opinion on something, and you 1434 01:29:42.680 --> 01:29:48.399 sincerely want my constructive assistance on your look today, I 1435 01:29:48.439 --> 01:29:52.039 will give it to you. I will if you ask me. 1436 01:29:52.479 --> 01:29:54.520 If you ain't asked me, you look fabulous? 1437 01:29:56.359 --> 01:29:57.199 What a nice hat? 1438 01:29:57.399 --> 01:30:03.279 There is always something I can appreciate, truly, whatever, whatever, 1439 01:30:03.359 --> 01:30:05.479 because we don't need to be tearing one another down, 1440 01:30:05.720 --> 01:30:07.840 and we don't need to be telling one another how 1441 01:30:07.840 --> 01:30:10.680 to be, because we get enough of that from everywhere else, 1442 01:30:11.319 --> 01:30:15.319 especially everywhere we turn, we're being told how we could 1443 01:30:15.319 --> 01:30:18.319 do it a little bit differently to make ourselves more palatable. 1444 01:30:19.279 --> 01:30:22.640 And you know, sorry, but that does happen out there, 1445 01:30:22.680 --> 01:30:27.640 and it's like, what right? What? Yeah? So I don't know. 1446 01:30:28.359 --> 01:30:31.399 I don't know. Maybe I'm maybe I'm maybe it's just 1447 01:30:31.439 --> 01:30:34.319 not that deep and people found it amusing. I don't know. 1448 01:30:34.840 --> 01:30:37.920 This episode is brought to you by mint Iced Tea 1449 01:30:38.279 --> 01:30:39.960 and Open Window Weather. 1450 01:30:40.720 --> 01:30:46.079 Finally, this is a full circle moment because this motherfucker 1451 01:30:46.159 --> 01:30:51.760 is the reason why this segment started. Yes, so thank you, sir. 1452 01:30:53.520 --> 01:30:53.960 Here we go. 1453 01:30:54.439 --> 01:31:01.640 George Santo's faces prison after pleading guilty to fraud. 1454 01:31:01.840 --> 01:31:10.720 I'm sorry, but yeah, years she was facing a federal trial, yes, 1455 01:31:10.800 --> 01:31:15.239 which would have likely resulted in far more jail time. 1456 01:31:16.159 --> 01:31:21.319 But Santos thirty six, appeared in court in Central Airflip, 1457 01:31:21.359 --> 01:31:25.520 New York on Monday and admitted wire fraud and aggravated 1458 01:31:25.560 --> 01:31:29.399 identity theft for stealing the ideas of campaign staff and 1459 01:31:29.439 --> 01:31:33.800 misusing campaign funds. And that is not a quarter of it. 1460 01:31:34.119 --> 01:31:34.399 No. 1461 01:31:35.479 --> 01:31:38.520 The judge estimated a sentence ranging of six to eight 1462 01:31:38.600 --> 01:31:43.520 years for the charges he admitted. His guilty. Police cements 1463 01:31:43.600 --> 01:31:46.399 the downfall of the novice New York politician who was 1464 01:31:46.439 --> 01:31:53.760 expelled from Congress last year after a brief scandal plagued tenure. 1465 01:31:54.079 --> 01:31:57.399 Yeah, stunt, queen, no kidding. 1466 01:31:59.199 --> 01:32:02.840 I deeply regret my conduct and the harm it has caused. 1467 01:32:03.319 --> 01:32:05.720 An accept full responsibility for my actions. 1468 01:32:05.720 --> 01:32:07.640 Don't believe you not at all. 1469 01:32:09.119 --> 01:32:12.359 Yeah. It reverses, of course, his denial last year of 1470 01:32:12.439 --> 01:32:15.640 charges including lying to Congress about his finances and using 1471 01:32:15.720 --> 01:32:21.600 campaign contributions for personal expenses. A play agreement calls for 1472 01:32:21.680 --> 01:32:24.680 him to make restitution of at least three hundred and 1473 01:32:24.680 --> 01:32:31.000 seventy four thousand dollars. Yeah good, at least. The aggravated 1474 01:32:31.079 --> 01:32:34.439 identity theft charge carries a two year mandatory prison term 1475 01:32:34.560 --> 01:32:37.920 that must be served consecutively with any sentence for the 1476 01:32:38.039 --> 01:32:42.000 wire fraud charge. In court, he admitted to theft and 1477 01:32:42.079 --> 01:32:45.720 applying for unemployment benefits that he was not entitled to receive. 1478 01:32:46.479 --> 01:32:50.239 He also acknowledged making false statements and omissions on financial 1479 01:32:50.239 --> 01:32:53.600 statements submitted to the House Ethics Committee and the Federal 1480 01:32:53.920 --> 01:32:59.720 Election Commission. He was charged with twenty three federal felony, 1481 01:33:00.439 --> 01:33:05.640 including wire fraud, money laundering, and the misuse of campaign funds. 1482 01:33:06.239 --> 01:33:08.880 He was the first member of Congress to be expelled 1483 01:33:08.880 --> 01:33:12.279 in more than twenty years last December, and only the 1484 01:33:12.439 --> 01:33:18.279 sixth in history. So girl, girlfriend did make history. Yeah, 1485 01:33:18.479 --> 01:33:23.399 what a what a messy queen, my God. 1486 01:33:23.960 --> 01:33:27.560 And I'm holding out hope. Uh huh, that when he 1487 01:33:27.600 --> 01:33:31.239 goes to prison and goes and goes through the cavity search, 1488 01:33:31.840 --> 01:33:35.479 that then we will actually find out that he is 1489 01:33:35.600 --> 01:33:39.000 really seven raccoons stacked on top of each other wearing 1490 01:33:39.000 --> 01:33:43.079 a trench coat. As I had been theorizing this whole time. 1491 01:33:44.880 --> 01:33:49.960 I'm gonna guess that's not going to happen. Two of 1492 01:33:49.960 --> 01:33:53.079 his former aids, by the way, have already pleaded guilty 1493 01:33:53.119 --> 01:33:57.840 to fraud in connection to his campaign. Sentencing is scheduled 1494 01:33:57.840 --> 01:34:04.880 for February seven. Yeah, you know, this is the least 1495 01:34:04.920 --> 01:34:07.560 he deserves for all the nonsense in michig Os, and 1496 01:34:07.880 --> 01:34:12.680 you know, claiming claiming to be Jewish and then amending 1497 01:34:12.720 --> 01:34:19.439 that to Jewish, Right, that's still funny. There was so much. 1498 01:34:19.680 --> 01:34:22.119 There was just so much. 1499 01:34:22.039 --> 01:34:24.159 Wait wait, wait, says here. He that some of the 1500 01:34:24.159 --> 01:34:29.479 things he misused the campaign funds for were botox, credit 1501 01:34:29.520 --> 01:34:34.479 card debt, and subscriptions to olives. 1502 01:34:34.720 --> 01:34:40.039 Of course, as one does, girl yeah, with public funds, girl, 1503 01:34:40.279 --> 01:34:44.279 girl yeah. And even the ways that funds were being raised, 1504 01:34:44.479 --> 01:34:46.640 you know, there was a lot of misrepresentation on who 1505 01:34:46.920 --> 01:34:49.880 you know, like calling and saying they were somebody else 1506 01:34:50.079 --> 01:34:53.319 endorsing Santa, like the whole. There's so much mess. There, 1507 01:34:54.000 --> 01:34:55.119 so much mess. 1508 01:34:55.399 --> 01:34:55.800 Stunt. 1509 01:34:56.199 --> 01:34:59.479 Yeah, this child is permanently broken, but you know, I 1510 01:34:59.520 --> 01:35:04.239 don't know. They call their heels for a time, and 1511 01:35:04.680 --> 01:35:08.000 I don't know I learned something. I'm not hopeful, but 1512 01:35:08.159 --> 01:35:11.840 I do hope we keep her out of politics moving forward. Okay, 1513 01:35:11.960 --> 01:35:16.520 good lord Carl Dunn, Welcome to the Full Circle Table. 1514 01:35:17.039 --> 01:35:19.359 Thank you so much for having meet Charles and Martha. 1515 01:35:19.560 --> 01:35:23.399 Really happy to be here. Absolutely, the fairy tale is 1516 01:35:23.840 --> 01:35:27.520 something else, isn't it the ideas we have because really 1517 01:35:27.560 --> 01:35:29.800 we're just I think we're all looking for the person 1518 01:35:29.800 --> 01:35:34.079 who's crazy kind of matches our crazy enough to kill 1519 01:35:34.119 --> 01:35:34.640 one another. 1520 01:35:35.199 --> 01:35:40.319 Well, I think yes with an asterisk. I speak for 1521 01:35:40.359 --> 01:35:43.560 myself here, but it seems to ring true for a 1522 01:35:43.600 --> 01:35:48.560 lot of other people. Is that I spent my entire 1523 01:35:48.720 --> 01:35:53.640 life looking for someone who was going to wave a 1524 01:35:53.720 --> 01:35:56.239 magic wand and make all the dark things that I 1525 01:35:56.279 --> 01:36:00.800 hated about myself go away. And I've would never tell 1526 01:36:00.840 --> 01:36:02.600 them that's their job, because I don't think I even 1527 01:36:03.319 --> 01:36:05.439 was sentient enough to understand that. 1528 01:36:05.439 --> 01:36:07.159 That is, I was. 1529 01:36:07.079 --> 01:36:09.880 Doing an interview to find someone to do that job, 1530 01:36:10.199 --> 01:36:13.960 the work that I wasn't prepared to do. Yeah, And 1531 01:36:14.000 --> 01:36:18.439 I think that's that was definitely the big driver for me. 1532 01:36:18.920 --> 01:36:23.680 So I would constantly find these incredibly enigmatic men that 1533 01:36:23.800 --> 01:36:27.319 I dated in my life. Somebody, a friend of mine 1534 01:36:27.399 --> 01:36:31.760 once said to me, your type, like the guys you 1535 01:36:31.840 --> 01:36:34.399 date always seem like they could start their own religion, 1536 01:36:35.199 --> 01:36:40.800 Like they have a magnetism about them. Yeah, And I 1537 01:36:40.800 --> 01:36:42.600 think I was really drawn to that because I thought 1538 01:36:42.640 --> 01:36:45.960 these people were going to save me. And something that 1539 01:36:46.000 --> 01:36:50.399 I realized, you know, and this is great news, is 1540 01:36:50.439 --> 01:36:53.560 that no one's coming to save you. No one is, 1541 01:36:53.920 --> 01:36:56.479 which is great news because it means it's all up 1542 01:36:56.520 --> 01:36:59.159 to you. You don't have to wait for anything to happen. 1543 01:36:59.239 --> 01:37:01.840 You don't have to wait for someone to write in 1544 01:37:02.000 --> 01:37:03.359 is this the person that's going to do it? 1545 01:37:03.439 --> 01:37:03.840 Or whatever? 1546 01:37:03.880 --> 01:37:07.279 You do it all for yourself. And it took me 1547 01:37:07.840 --> 01:37:11.920 a long time to figure that out. But yeah, it's great. 1548 01:37:12.000 --> 01:37:14.560 I mean, once you've been I mean, this may sound 1549 01:37:14.600 --> 01:37:15.520 like bad news. 1550 01:37:15.319 --> 01:37:16.920 To some of your listeners. 1551 01:37:17.000 --> 01:37:17.760 I'm sorry if. 1552 01:37:17.680 --> 01:37:20.880 It does, but it's far more. It is a far 1553 01:37:21.000 --> 01:37:28.039 more rewarding journey to figure yourself out, to know yourself, and. 1554 01:37:27.479 --> 01:37:28.600 There are many ways to do that. 1555 01:37:28.680 --> 01:37:30.399 I had to do it by being on my own 1556 01:37:30.439 --> 01:37:32.920 because I know what I'm like and if I'm with 1557 01:37:33.039 --> 01:37:35.760 something that was not something I could do with another person, 1558 01:37:36.760 --> 01:37:40.640 that had to be a solo mission for me. But 1559 01:37:40.720 --> 01:37:43.359 to really truly I mean, and other people have spoken 1560 01:37:43.359 --> 01:37:45.279 to have told me that they've done the same thing, 1561 01:37:45.319 --> 01:37:47.800 but they've done it because of the person they've found 1562 01:37:48.840 --> 01:37:51.399 that they've ended up with, which is great. Two people 1563 01:37:51.439 --> 01:37:54.079 can help each other do that, that's what a gift, 1564 01:37:54.279 --> 01:37:54.720 you know. 1565 01:37:55.720 --> 01:37:58.000 You know, But I think the biggest myth we carry 1566 01:37:58.079 --> 01:38:01.880 into relationships is this idea that we can complete one another. 1567 01:38:02.920 --> 01:38:04.319 That's not what happens. 1568 01:38:04.640 --> 01:38:04.880 You know. 1569 01:38:05.000 --> 01:38:09.960 We we need to complete ourselves and you know, we 1570 01:38:10.039 --> 01:38:14.159 come together and hopefully we grow in directions that are 1571 01:38:14.159 --> 01:38:18.439 not opposed to one another. But you know this this idea, 1572 01:38:18.600 --> 01:38:23.560 like he completes me for chrisake, you know, that is 1573 01:38:23.640 --> 01:38:28.000 your job and it's always gone itself, right, Yeah, because 1574 01:38:28.000 --> 01:38:31.319 we we do. We put an awful lot of pressure 1575 01:38:31.399 --> 01:38:34.359 on a partner, you know, if their job is to 1576 01:38:35.279 --> 01:38:37.760 figure it all out for us, right. 1577 01:38:37.640 --> 01:38:39.640 And then when we don't feel good and we don't 1578 01:38:39.640 --> 01:38:43.319 feel whole, we're angry at them and not even realize 1579 01:38:43.359 --> 01:38:45.119 that that's why we're angry at them because they haven't 1580 01:38:45.159 --> 01:38:47.079 done that job yet that we didn't know. We've given 1581 01:38:47.119 --> 01:38:51.119 them right and they'll find yourself like fighting and it's 1582 01:38:51.119 --> 01:38:52.840 like what is this about? And it's like, I don't know, 1583 01:38:52.960 --> 01:38:57.039 but you're not supporting me. You know something right, And yeah, 1584 01:38:57.039 --> 01:38:59.760 it's really something you've got to You've got to figure 1585 01:38:59.800 --> 01:39:02.039 that out out for yourself. I had to because I 1586 01:39:02.119 --> 01:39:04.880 basically had dated the same guy five times in a 1587 01:39:04.920 --> 01:39:08.840 row and married the last one, so I was I 1588 01:39:08.960 --> 01:39:12.319 was repeating this pattern again and again. I'm not blaming 1589 01:39:12.359 --> 01:39:15.520 them for it. I own my my one hundred percent 1590 01:39:15.600 --> 01:39:18.279 of my half of everything that I did with these 1591 01:39:19.319 --> 01:39:22.920 gentlemen and the relationships that we had. But yeah, you've 1592 01:39:22.920 --> 01:39:24.119 got to do that for yourself. 1593 01:39:24.159 --> 01:39:25.199 You've got to figure yourself out. 1594 01:39:25.239 --> 01:39:27.359 It's the single I think the single greatest thing any 1595 01:39:27.439 --> 01:39:29.600 human being can do is to know themselves. 1596 01:39:30.520 --> 01:39:33.319 This Labor Day episode is brought to you by the 1597 01:39:33.560 --> 01:39:37.960 Organized Labor that was off today. I spent it with 1598 01:39:38.079 --> 01:39:42.039 Brene Brown. My morning, Ye I wish that were true. 1599 01:39:42.680 --> 01:39:47.800 Watching a List of the Heart, I rewatched it. That's 1600 01:39:47.840 --> 01:39:49.560 fun and that's good stuff. 1601 01:39:49.600 --> 01:39:54.319 Everything she said was so timely that it's funny. To 1602 01:39:54.399 --> 01:39:58.279 think that it's a that you know, we watched it before. 1603 01:39:58.159 --> 01:40:02.600 Right, It's one of those things that, yeah, that you 1604 01:40:03.319 --> 01:40:05.920 get something different out of it each time you hear it, right, 1605 01:40:05.960 --> 01:40:07.600 you know, because something different will resonate. 1606 01:40:08.079 --> 01:40:11.000 Like what did I just finished saying? Well, we were 1607 01:40:11.039 --> 01:40:12.920 listening to her, like why you gotta yell at me? 1608 01:40:12.960 --> 01:40:17.479 Burnebor that was from Super Soul Sunday. Yeah, because that 1609 01:40:17.479 --> 01:40:20.119 that like popped up afterwards on Max like you might 1610 01:40:20.199 --> 01:40:22.399 enjoy this, and I'm like, actually I would. So I 1611 01:40:22.439 --> 01:40:25.359 looked for, you know, the one with her or one 1612 01:40:25.359 --> 01:40:29.119 of the ones with her, and yeah, what did she say? 1613 01:40:29.199 --> 01:40:35.199 She said, unused creativity isn't benign, it metastasizes. 1614 01:40:35.439 --> 01:40:39.439 Yeah, and you were like, why is she yelling at exactly? 1615 01:40:39.439 --> 01:40:40.520 Why you gotta be so loud? 1616 01:40:41.760 --> 01:40:44.159 Do you feel like you're not using your creative. 1617 01:40:45.239 --> 01:40:49.720 I am not not to the levels that I had 1618 01:40:49.760 --> 01:40:54.640 been in recent months last year. 1619 01:40:54.640 --> 01:40:55.640 Well you are right now? 1620 01:40:56.359 --> 01:40:58.199 Well yeah, this counts okay? 1621 01:40:58.199 --> 01:41:01.000 Good? Yeah, I'm glad, you know. 1622 01:41:01.000 --> 01:41:04.720 Like I don't have as much time as I used to. Also, 1623 01:41:05.079 --> 01:41:09.960 I hear you and you know, and that's okay, But 1624 01:41:10.399 --> 01:41:15.880 you know, sometimes I miss having the kind of life 1625 01:41:15.920 --> 01:41:16.680 where I could. 1626 01:41:16.560 --> 01:41:20.920 Choreograph a piece well, and that's yeah, sure, I. 1627 01:41:20.840 --> 01:41:22.319 Mean would just not to say that I couldn't if 1628 01:41:22.359 --> 01:41:26.199 I wanted to correct. But it's harder now because I'd 1629 01:41:26.279 --> 01:41:30.039 have to like find a space to rehearse and rent 1630 01:41:30.039 --> 01:41:34.520 the space to rehearse all those things, schedule dancer, all 1631 01:41:34.560 --> 01:41:36.880 those things, the things I don't miss. 1632 01:41:37.680 --> 01:41:41.079 I hear you, I hear you. Yeah, it's a lot. 1633 01:41:41.680 --> 01:41:44.359 It's like we were moving stuff to the track to 1634 01:41:44.399 --> 01:41:47.199 the curve for bulk trash and we had a couple 1635 01:41:47.199 --> 01:41:50.199 of like really sturdy wooden boxes. 1636 01:41:49.920 --> 01:41:52.520 And right, and you were like contemplating. 1637 01:41:52.640 --> 01:41:55.560 Yeah, like five years ago, me would be like these 1638 01:41:55.600 --> 01:41:58.079 would be awesome for like set pieces, and I'm like, 1639 01:41:58.119 --> 01:42:01.239 you don't have a set piece needing kind of motherfucker. 1640 01:42:01.439 --> 01:42:02.079 At the moment. 1641 01:42:02.159 --> 01:42:08.399 Now, you know, now you might have a my friends 1642 01:42:08.439 --> 01:42:10.520 need a set piece, and if they asked me, I'd 1643 01:42:10.520 --> 01:42:12.319 happen to have it if they asked me tonight. 1644 01:42:12.560 --> 01:42:14.760 But right, we don't have that kind of storage. 1645 01:42:15.520 --> 01:42:17.720 Just and it's and I made peace with it, and 1646 01:42:17.760 --> 01:42:18.319 it's fine. 1647 01:42:18.640 --> 01:42:22.279 Yeah, they're just you know whatever. Somebody made crates at 1648 01:42:22.319 --> 01:42:26.800 some point and they're kind of heavy and in the way, 1649 01:42:27.239 --> 01:42:28.800 got no place to put them. 1650 01:42:29.119 --> 01:42:31.399 And at the same time, if I do come across 1651 01:42:31.479 --> 01:42:34.079 a moment where I need to have something built, you 1652 01:42:34.159 --> 01:42:37.720 know what, I have a job that I could pay someone. 1653 01:42:37.479 --> 01:42:42.199 To do build it exactly. It evens o it does. 1654 01:42:42.720 --> 01:42:45.840 And I don't foresee needing one of those, you know, 1655 01:42:46.720 --> 01:42:50.880 but who knows who I There are other wooden crates 1656 01:42:50.880 --> 01:42:52.800 in the souse. Actually there are several. 1657 01:42:52.880 --> 01:42:53.720 I'm sure there were. 1658 01:42:54.199 --> 01:42:57.600 These were just two many. 1659 01:42:58.239 --> 01:43:04.359 And also speaking of Nae Brown, she was talking about nostalgia, 1660 01:43:05.640 --> 01:43:08.239 and you know, I talked about this and a piece 1661 01:43:08.279 --> 01:43:15.960 that I made back in two thousand and nine, ten eleven, okay, 1662 01:43:16.800 --> 01:43:21.399 and where I said, you know, they say that nostalgia 1663 01:43:21.640 --> 01:43:25.119 is contempt for the present and fear of the future. 1664 01:43:26.479 --> 01:43:29.119 And I was sitting at work last night and I 1665 01:43:29.199 --> 01:43:34.520 happened to put on MTV because MTV, like sometimes I 1666 01:43:34.520 --> 01:43:39.119 actually plays music videos. And it was nineties Nation and 1667 01:43:39.159 --> 01:43:41.560 it was like all these videos from like, you know, 1668 01:43:41.640 --> 01:43:43.720 my heyday in the nineties when I was in college 1669 01:43:43.800 --> 01:43:47.680 and care free and shit, and I got that squirt 1670 01:43:47.960 --> 01:43:54.880 of like of dopamine, and you know, I was feeling 1671 01:43:54.920 --> 01:43:59.680 all happy and then I was like, yeah, but you're 1672 01:43:59.680 --> 01:44:04.319 not now you're here now, right, Like that's cute and all, 1673 01:44:04.359 --> 01:44:06.920 but this is where you are pay attention. Like I 1674 01:44:06.920 --> 01:44:08.520 actually had that moment with myself. 1675 01:44:08.640 --> 01:44:18.359 Okay, yeah, I yeah, I don't. I'm just I think 1676 01:44:18.399 --> 01:44:22.600 I stay in the present more often than I don't. Okay, 1677 01:44:23.079 --> 01:44:26.199 I think. I mean, I like, you know, the music 1678 01:44:26.279 --> 01:44:30.439 of my era and the music that came before and 1679 01:44:30.920 --> 01:44:34.279 some of what came after. But I just I don't 1680 01:44:34.319 --> 01:44:38.960 think I feel like, oh, those days, those halcyon days, 1681 01:44:39.000 --> 01:44:43.479 because they really weren't. I mean they weren't. I mean, 1682 01:44:43.560 --> 01:44:46.000 you know, they talked about that was one of the 1683 01:44:46.000 --> 01:44:48.039 things she was talking about, or she had one of 1684 01:44:48.039 --> 01:44:51.319 her guests talking about, was the danger of you know, 1685 01:44:51.479 --> 01:44:53.680 the way we look at the past, we forget about 1686 01:44:53.720 --> 01:44:57.880 the bad parts, right right, We forget about you know, 1687 01:44:58.680 --> 01:45:02.079 we remember those found my holidays. We forget about you know, 1688 01:45:02.159 --> 01:45:06.079 the drunken uncle or the grandfather who everyone kept the 1689 01:45:06.159 --> 01:45:11.159 children away from like that, like we forget that, and yeah, 1690 01:45:11.520 --> 01:45:13.680 I don't tend to look back. Well. 1691 01:45:13.720 --> 01:45:16.600 The thing about that is, like I know, for some 1692 01:45:16.800 --> 01:45:19.600 people it's like, you know, they peaked in high school, 1693 01:45:19.800 --> 01:45:21.640 they peaked in college, and so that's like. 1694 01:45:21.920 --> 01:45:25.039 My life didn't even start until after high school though. 1695 01:45:25.039 --> 01:45:31.920 Right, But for me, like the nineties as a creative 1696 01:45:32.000 --> 01:45:37.399 time influenced, like for many years after, influenced my present 1697 01:45:37.479 --> 01:45:40.520 and my plans for the future. So I guess that 1698 01:45:40.640 --> 01:45:45.439 also carries that sweet spot, you know. But now my life, 1699 01:45:47.000 --> 01:45:50.079 the life that I have now is not is very 1700 01:45:50.079 --> 01:45:52.800 different from the life that was informed by that period 1701 01:45:52.840 --> 01:45:57.039 of time so directly, so I have a different relationship 1702 01:45:57.079 --> 01:46:03.520 with those memories. Sure, it's just interesting, good talking about. 1703 01:46:04.319 --> 01:46:08.359 But I'm proud of myself for having the the the 1704 01:46:08.399 --> 01:46:10.840 presence of mind to be aware of these things. 1705 01:46:11.239 --> 01:46:12.920 Gotcha, gotcha? 1706 01:46:13.760 --> 01:46:17.159 Like, first of all, in the nineties, podcasts were not 1707 01:46:17.239 --> 01:46:20.840 a thing, So I never would have even imagined that 1708 01:46:20.880 --> 01:46:23.840 we'd be sitting here doing this and that there's actually 1709 01:46:23.840 --> 01:46:25.279 people out there in the world who. 1710 01:46:25.279 --> 01:46:29.960 Listen to us. Hey ya, right, there are all over 1711 01:46:30.000 --> 01:46:32.880 the world, which is really exciting. Yeah. Actually, when I 1712 01:46:32.920 --> 01:46:35.079 think about it, I try not to think about it 1713 01:46:35.079 --> 01:46:39.920 too hard, right, you know what I mean? Gunner Montana, 1714 01:46:40.159 --> 01:46:42.399 Welcome to the Full Circle Table. 1715 01:46:43.279 --> 01:46:44.880 Hi, thank you so much for having me. 1716 01:46:45.319 --> 01:46:48.560 Wonderful to see you in your Childless Cat Lady shirt. 1717 01:46:51.359 --> 01:46:53.760 I was such a colonless fan. I can't even stand it. 1718 01:46:54.079 --> 01:46:56.920 I just really like witches, I really, I think there. 1719 01:46:57.119 --> 01:46:59.760 I think the concept of witchery is really really cool. 1720 01:46:59.760 --> 01:47:01.720 And there are a few things I didn't I wanted 1721 01:47:01.720 --> 01:47:03.680 to tackle that I felt like I didn't have time 1722 01:47:03.680 --> 01:47:06.119 to tackle on the first show, one of them being 1723 01:47:06.319 --> 01:47:07.359 kind of like a more. 1724 01:47:07.199 --> 01:47:10.000 Gender bent idea of what witches are. 1725 01:47:10.640 --> 01:47:14.159 So we added kind of like a more male figure 1726 01:47:14.159 --> 01:47:15.920 I guess you'd call them the male figure to the 1727 01:47:15.960 --> 01:47:19.399 coven to kind of make it feel more genderless. 1728 01:47:20.319 --> 01:47:22.960 And it was some really cool queer themes that we 1729 01:47:23.039 --> 01:47:24.159 got to uh. 1730 01:47:24.840 --> 01:47:26.840 Got to tackle with this one that I feel like 1731 01:47:26.880 --> 01:47:28.239 I lost in the first one a little bit. 1732 01:47:28.239 --> 01:47:31.119 But I always viewed them as like queer villains, you. 1733 01:47:31.000 --> 01:47:32.800 Know, like very dark queer. 1734 01:47:32.680 --> 01:47:34.760 Villains, and I feel like I really wanted to dig 1735 01:47:34.960 --> 01:47:38.800 deeper into that. So this year I really kind of 1736 01:47:38.840 --> 01:47:42.319 dove headfirst into into all the fagatory. 1737 01:47:41.960 --> 01:47:44.319 Of what this coven you know what I'm talking. 1738 01:47:44.159 --> 01:47:44.840 About, as it were. 1739 01:47:45.680 --> 01:47:49.640 Yeah, And so it has this really kind of deep, sensual, 1740 01:47:50.279 --> 01:47:53.359 dark queer vibe, which I'm really excited about. 1741 01:47:53.960 --> 01:47:58.079 Okay, I love it. I love yeah. Because Blackwood it 1742 01:47:58.159 --> 01:48:04.439 was kind of like, uh, the queer uh sensibility was 1743 01:48:04.479 --> 01:48:09.199 in the response to this like heteronormative violent, yeah thing 1744 01:48:09.279 --> 01:48:10.079 that was going on. 1745 01:48:10.800 --> 01:48:13.960 For sure, I see yeah. 1746 01:48:14.000 --> 01:48:16.960 And I think one of the fun, more fun concepts 1747 01:48:17.000 --> 01:48:20.159 of the show was to kind of flip the flip 1748 01:48:20.159 --> 01:48:24.920 the script on our society and kind of prosecute heterosexuality. 1749 01:48:25.159 --> 01:48:27.479 So you have this kind of it's a nice storyline. 1750 01:48:27.520 --> 01:48:28.319 It's about time. 1751 01:48:29.039 --> 01:48:34.479 It's about time, not just not to say that I 1752 01:48:34.760 --> 01:48:36.159 believe it in the core of me or that I'm 1753 01:48:36.199 --> 01:48:38.079 anti strait, just to say that it's really fun to 1754 01:48:38.079 --> 01:48:41.079 see the irony in it, right, And there's a lot 1755 01:48:41.119 --> 01:48:43.840 of insight that comes with just seeing the flip the 1756 01:48:44.239 --> 01:48:47.000 script flipped. You know, you can really you can just 1757 01:48:47.119 --> 01:48:50.159 you take in it differently when you see different people 1758 01:48:50.319 --> 01:48:55.640 in the same situation. So the prosecution of heterosexuality, there 1759 01:48:55.680 --> 01:48:59.399 is this whole storyline about like how you're not allowed 1760 01:48:59.399 --> 01:49:01.760 to be in or sexual relationship in this coven. 1761 01:49:02.000 --> 01:49:04.399 It's not you know, and and. 1762 01:49:04.199 --> 01:49:08.000 So it's it's visibly, very visibly persecuted in this show 1763 01:49:08.039 --> 01:49:10.199 in a very dark way. And I think there's something 1764 01:49:10.239 --> 01:49:13.600 really interesting and cool and unique about that and fun. 1765 01:49:14.479 --> 01:49:19.079 We obviously got stuck in a multiverse version where heteronormity 1766 01:49:19.079 --> 01:49:20.439 and sexuality is. 1767 01:49:20.560 --> 01:49:28.439 Kind of like essential to having people, you know, in 1768 01:49:28.479 --> 01:49:28.800 a way. 1769 01:49:28.920 --> 01:49:31.840 But in the world I created, it's not you don't 1770 01:49:31.960 --> 01:49:33.640 need it's not reproductive. 1771 01:49:34.079 --> 01:49:36.359 You know, there's it's not a reproductive norm. 1772 01:49:36.399 --> 01:49:41.920 These witches are making witches without heterosexual relationships, right, so 1773 01:49:41.920 --> 01:49:46.560 so you no longer need that foundation, right, so therefore 1774 01:49:46.600 --> 01:49:48.479 you you now have the ability. 1775 01:49:48.119 --> 01:49:50.119 To persecute it, which I think is really really fun. 1776 01:49:52.600 --> 01:49:56.960 Yeah, not to say that heteronormative couples are the only 1777 01:49:56.960 --> 01:49:59.039 people that can have children these days, but it is 1778 01:49:59.079 --> 01:50:02.800 an old school kind of ver a thought which I'm 1779 01:50:02.840 --> 01:50:04.560 having a lot of fun, just kind of fucking. 1780 01:50:04.279 --> 01:50:05.760 With for sure. 1781 01:50:06.159 --> 01:50:10.680 Jack Tambourie is in the house. Hi, Jack, how are you? Hi? Charles, 1782 01:50:10.720 --> 01:50:12.760 thank you for inviting me. I'm happy to be here. 1783 01:50:12.920 --> 01:50:18.880 Especially in the nineties, you know, pre pre social media, 1784 01:50:19.039 --> 01:50:23.800 pre internet, pre grinder where you can order men like pizza. 1785 01:50:24.239 --> 01:50:30.439 You know, it's like that being gay, being queer for 1786 01:50:30.800 --> 01:50:33.520 a lot of white folks was your taste of being other, 1787 01:50:34.239 --> 01:50:38.560 and you know, you would find yourself in groupings of 1788 01:50:38.600 --> 01:50:41.479 people that you otherwise might not have because we have 1789 01:50:41.600 --> 01:50:42.439 this thing in common. 1790 01:50:43.600 --> 01:50:50.079 Uh yeah, when would I have had meaningful opportunities for encounters, 1791 01:50:50.319 --> 01:50:53.760 deep encounters with folks of color outside of gay community. 1792 01:50:54.079 --> 01:50:54.239 Right. 1793 01:50:54.319 --> 01:50:56.640 I think about this a lot. My high school is 1794 01:50:56.640 --> 01:51:03.399 pretty diverse, and it also was structured with racist academic tracking, 1795 01:51:03.960 --> 01:51:07.880 so like there were there, there were kids of all 1796 01:51:07.920 --> 01:51:11.680 sorts all around me except in my actual classes, you know, 1797 01:51:12.359 --> 01:51:15.119 And so yeah, yeah, it really. 1798 01:51:16.439 --> 01:51:25.359 Yeah, yeah, that's an interesting conversation that I never really yeah, 1799 01:51:25.399 --> 01:51:31.159 because you know, there is definitely a class structure within 1800 01:51:31.439 --> 01:51:36.159 the LGBT community. If we're talking, if you introduce the 1801 01:51:36.479 --> 01:51:38.600 element of race, and. 1802 01:51:40.479 --> 01:51:44.479 You know, I mean, right, it's a whole let's yeah, 1803 01:51:44.560 --> 01:51:49.079 let's not say that game al community is a racial utopia. 1804 01:51:52.079 --> 01:51:52.560 I will not. 1805 01:51:57.600 --> 01:52:04.119 But uh, I think a lot about Samuel Delaney, the 1806 01:52:04.119 --> 01:52:10.560 writer has I'm gonna butcher this, but there's a kind 1807 01:52:10.560 --> 01:52:13.800 of he wrote a book it's sort of half memoir, 1808 01:52:13.880 --> 01:52:20.560 half sort of really academic, uh, sort of treatise called 1809 01:52:20.600 --> 01:52:22.840 Time Square Red, Time Square Blue that I read in 1810 01:52:22.840 --> 01:52:25.279 my twenties and is something that I really hold in 1811 01:52:25.319 --> 01:52:32.439 my heart, where he proposes that that essentially that that 1812 01:52:32.439 --> 01:52:37.600 that cruising is a sort of profound and vital aspect 1813 01:52:37.640 --> 01:52:41.439 of human culture because especially within capitalism, because it's the 1814 01:52:41.560 --> 01:52:45.920 it's one of the only spaces where people of different 1815 01:52:45.960 --> 01:52:50.600 class backgrounds have an opportunity to encounter one another outside 1816 01:52:50.600 --> 01:52:55.760 of the rules of transaction. Now, now, is cruising or 1817 01:52:55.840 --> 01:52:58.920 gay bars or are those in fact a transaction? 1818 01:52:58.960 --> 01:53:02.680 I think there's plenty of transaction. 1819 01:53:02.279 --> 01:53:05.279 Going on, but I think I meant its at its 1820 01:53:05.279 --> 01:53:10.319 most basic, like, you know, really literal, dumb sort of 1821 01:53:10.359 --> 01:53:15.840 the reality of my encounters with with folks of a 1822 01:53:15.880 --> 01:53:21.079 class background that's different from me. Either I'm serving them something, 1823 01:53:21.119 --> 01:53:23.880 they're buying something for me, I'm being served I'm buying 1824 01:53:23.880 --> 01:53:27.319 something from that Like like transactions in its most sort 1825 01:53:27.319 --> 01:53:32.880 of obvious broad sense, that's like ninety percent of inter 1826 01:53:33.079 --> 01:53:39.600 class contact in most places in the United States. And 1827 01:53:41.840 --> 01:53:48.239 something about queer space creates potential for. 1828 01:53:48.920 --> 01:53:50.319 Uh, for something more meaningful. 1829 01:53:51.560 --> 01:54:01.119 Definitely, the problem arises when let's see, how can I 1830 01:54:01.159 --> 01:54:13.680 put this, when the marginalized of the marginalized seek save spaces, right, 1831 01:54:14.359 --> 01:54:17.319 and then you know, I guess I'm trying to say 1832 01:54:17.359 --> 01:54:21.119 is like the problem comes in when you have the 1833 01:54:21.640 --> 01:54:26.880 gay white men with money. 1834 01:54:25.720 --> 01:54:31.439 Who right, who are bringing class hierarchy into the space, right? 1835 01:54:31.920 --> 01:54:35.000 Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. 1836 01:54:34.199 --> 01:54:35.720 Let me get let me get to the short part 1837 01:54:35.760 --> 01:54:42.760 of that, right, because you know absolutely, but it's all 1838 01:54:42.800 --> 01:54:46.760 combaya until you know the cops show up sometimes. 1839 01:54:46.920 --> 01:54:50.279 Yeah, I think the proposal of a space that simply 1840 01:54:51.399 --> 01:54:54.760 doesn't in and of its nature have to adhere to 1841 01:54:54.880 --> 01:55:03.880 sort of rules of spaces of buying and selling more more, 1842 01:55:03.960 --> 01:55:07.359 sort of explicitly or formally. I think perhaps this is 1843 01:55:07.359 --> 01:55:13.960 more about potential than about actual hmmm qualities. 1844 01:55:14.239 --> 01:55:17.960 Yes, Nuko Lang, welcome to the Full Circle table. 1845 01:55:18.920 --> 01:55:20.680 Thanks, It's so good to be here, such a long 1846 01:55:20.720 --> 01:55:21.319 time coming. 1847 01:55:21.760 --> 01:55:25.680 Clearly there was reason this book had to be written. 1848 01:55:26.399 --> 01:55:29.239 Can you talk a little bit about that? What gave 1849 01:55:29.359 --> 01:55:32.840 you the not just the idea, but the wherewithal to 1850 01:55:32.920 --> 01:55:38.119 travel the country and you know, have these conversations. Sure, 1851 01:55:38.159 --> 01:55:38.680 I think. 1852 01:55:38.560 --> 01:55:41.359 Really for me, what it came down to is that 1853 01:55:41.880 --> 01:55:44.439 I had the access in the resources to write this 1854 01:55:44.520 --> 01:55:47.159 book and it needed to be written. So I just 1855 01:55:47.279 --> 01:55:49.680 had a responsibility to do it. Because I've been doing 1856 01:55:49.680 --> 01:55:52.319 this work for such a long time. I know so 1857 01:55:52.479 --> 01:55:55.720 many of families of trans kids already, you know, like 1858 01:55:55.840 --> 01:55:59.479 I've been an LGBTQ plus journalist for over ten years. 1859 01:55:59.520 --> 01:56:01.840 I've been work working with families of trans kids for 1860 01:56:01.880 --> 01:56:05.239 eight years. I know families across the country they like 1861 01:56:05.279 --> 01:56:07.960 trust me, they love me, like we're like friends. Many 1862 01:56:08.000 --> 01:56:09.880 of them you're not really supposed to be friends with 1863 01:56:09.920 --> 01:56:13.079 their sources, but it's kind of inevitable if you stay 1864 01:56:13.079 --> 01:56:14.960 in touch with people for such a long time, like 1865 01:56:15.000 --> 01:56:17.479 you watch their kids grow up, you get like photos 1866 01:56:17.520 --> 01:56:20.079 and updates when they're like graduating from high school, graduating 1867 01:56:20.079 --> 01:56:23.000 from college. You know, there's this like camaraderie and this 1868 01:56:23.119 --> 01:56:25.760 even more importantly, this trust that was built in. And 1869 01:56:25.840 --> 01:56:28.000 I had a sense that if I had that trust 1870 01:56:28.039 --> 01:56:30.319 already and I didn't have to work for it the 1871 01:56:30.359 --> 01:56:33.159 way that some other journalists coming into this like might, 1872 01:56:34.000 --> 01:56:36.119 that I could do something really special with that, that 1873 01:56:36.199 --> 01:56:38.880 I could go so much deeper and just give people 1874 01:56:39.039 --> 01:56:41.920 like a more interesting book, not like a better book, 1875 01:56:42.159 --> 01:56:44.640 but just like something that would like get to this 1876 01:56:44.800 --> 01:56:49.800 richness that might otherwise be lacking. So if I could 1877 01:56:49.840 --> 01:56:51.600 do it, I knew that I had to, and I 1878 01:56:51.640 --> 01:56:53.880 knew I particularly had to because of everything that we're 1879 01:56:53.920 --> 01:56:56.960 seeing during this like awful political moment that we're all 1880 01:56:57.000 --> 01:56:59.359 living through. More than six hundred and fifty bills this 1881 01:56:59.479 --> 01:57:03.000 year we're put forward across the country targeting trans people, 1882 01:57:03.119 --> 01:57:07.439 the majority target trans youth, and through that, we very 1883 01:57:07.600 --> 01:57:12.000 rarely focused on the impact on these kids' daily lives, 1884 01:57:12.039 --> 01:57:14.640 like how are they feeling all through all this, How 1885 01:57:14.680 --> 01:57:16.800 are they getting through it, how are they experiencing it, 1886 01:57:17.079 --> 01:57:18.680 how are they trying to figure out how to be 1887 01:57:18.720 --> 01:57:21.479 a person like when all this stuff is happening, Because 1888 01:57:21.520 --> 01:57:23.920 imagine that you are a child growing up in the 1889 01:57:23.960 --> 01:57:28.079 shadow of people hating you, right and using that like 1890 01:57:28.239 --> 01:57:31.520 politicized eight hate to try to keep you from having rights. 1891 01:57:31.680 --> 01:57:34.359 And this has always been the way for trans kids, right, 1892 01:57:34.399 --> 01:57:37.279 and for trans adults, they've always known this to be true. 1893 01:57:37.920 --> 01:57:40.199 But it just feels like it's become so much more 1894 01:57:40.279 --> 01:57:43.479 upfront and so much more organized now than maybe we've 1895 01:57:43.479 --> 01:57:46.680 seen in some like previous decades. And kids are really 1896 01:57:46.720 --> 01:57:48.920 like dealing with the bunt of it, and I wanted 1897 01:57:48.960 --> 01:57:51.479 to put them at the center of their own narratives. 1898 01:57:51.479 --> 01:57:54.039 We've very rarely heard from them about what they think 1899 01:57:54.079 --> 01:57:56.600 about all this, And there's so much value to like 1900 01:57:56.720 --> 01:57:59.239 learning about the lives of trans kids and like how 1901 01:57:59.319 --> 01:58:03.119 they're life like not only experiencing this moment, but how 1902 01:58:03.159 --> 01:58:06.319 they experience the world. Like to me, like we've treated 1903 01:58:06.359 --> 01:58:09.079 these these kids as if they're like not human or 1904 01:58:09.119 --> 01:58:11.399 they experience the world differently than the rest of us. 1905 01:58:11.560 --> 01:58:14.319 But they're just kids, and they're just people like trying 1906 01:58:14.359 --> 01:58:16.680 to like go about their lives. And I really just 1907 01:58:16.680 --> 01:58:19.520 wanted to remind people of that, of that it's a 1908 01:58:19.560 --> 01:58:22.439 really like sad political goal to have to remind people 1909 01:58:22.479 --> 01:58:24.000 of the humanity of trans kids. 1910 01:58:24.000 --> 01:58:25.159 But here we are. 1911 01:58:25.399 --> 01:58:29.920 Today, I am sitting down with the Strides Collective. We 1912 01:58:30.039 --> 01:58:33.119 are just with an embarrassment of riches of creative folk 1913 01:58:33.520 --> 01:58:35.800 these days, and today is no exception. 1914 01:58:36.399 --> 01:58:38.159 This isn't always the case where you're working with a 1915 01:58:38.560 --> 01:58:41.560 team of predominantly queer folk on a queer play, so 1916 01:58:42.039 --> 01:58:44.960 you may have a more interesting perspective than I do 1917 01:58:45.319 --> 01:58:47.279 on it from the outside in. 1918 01:58:48.399 --> 01:58:50.359 I guess one of the things that stood out to me, like, 1919 01:58:50.800 --> 01:58:54.960 often when you're in theater spaces there are other queer people, 1920 01:58:55.039 --> 01:58:57.840 so you don't necessarily feel alone. It's usually a fairly 1921 01:58:57.880 --> 01:59:03.920 diverse group, but in this particular, it's like so present, 1922 01:59:03.920 --> 01:59:06.439 we don't have to talk about it, if that makes sense, 1923 01:59:06.479 --> 01:59:09.920 Like it's right, Yeah, it's just sort of a different 1924 01:59:10.600 --> 01:59:15.159 cozy space where nobody I mean, I don't know, I 1925 01:59:15.159 --> 01:59:17.800 guess I'll work off of. Like, one of the things 1926 01:59:17.840 --> 01:59:22.119 I like in the script is one the fluidity of 1927 01:59:22.199 --> 01:59:25.720 people as their relationships and their relationship with their self 1928 01:59:25.760 --> 01:59:28.279 and their relationship with other people is changing. I think 1929 01:59:28.319 --> 01:59:30.600 that happens in life, and it's nice to see it 1930 01:59:30.640 --> 01:59:33.840 within the context of a single story. But also there's 1931 01:59:33.880 --> 01:59:38.399 nothing confrontational really about the queerness. Like, yes, the one 1932 01:59:38.479 --> 01:59:44.600 character's incident is kind of incited Grant's character by a 1933 01:59:44.640 --> 01:59:48.199 perception that there's, you know, an anti queer thing there. 1934 01:59:48.399 --> 01:59:52.079 Everybody's just sort of existing. Nobody's defending their queerness. It 1935 01:59:52.239 --> 01:59:54.800 just is And I like that. 1936 01:59:56.359 --> 01:59:57.520 Yeah, I second that. 1937 01:59:57.640 --> 02:00:02.199 I mean, I think it's that, despite Strives being such 1938 02:00:02.239 --> 02:00:05.399 a new collective, that there is such a clear vision 1939 02:00:05.560 --> 02:00:07.960 for what it is that everyone is trying to achieve, 1940 02:00:08.119 --> 02:00:15.119 and everyone takes their work very seriously. And yeah, I 1941 02:00:15.119 --> 02:00:18.600 feel like that there's such a supportive nature that I 1942 02:00:18.640 --> 02:00:21.239 think is probably. 1943 02:00:25.039 --> 02:00:27.439 Probably sort of. 1944 02:00:30.760 --> 02:00:32.760 There seems to be such a supportive nature that I 1945 02:00:32.800 --> 02:00:35.840 think is sort of innate to the group of folks 1946 02:00:35.880 --> 02:00:40.159 that are coming together that you don't always find, frankly 1947 02:00:40.279 --> 02:00:42.079 in a lot of theater spaces or a lot of 1948 02:00:42.560 --> 02:00:46.720 professional creative spaces in general. So that's been really lovely 1949 02:00:46.760 --> 02:00:47.319 to be a part of. 1950 02:00:49.119 --> 02:00:50.840 Yeah, I think like we. 1951 02:00:52.319 --> 02:00:55.640 Yeah, that innate understanding, the sort of unspokenness that just 1952 02:00:55.760 --> 02:01:00.199 is there so lovely doing work where like yeah, like 1953 02:01:00.239 --> 02:01:02.520 the characters aren't fighting for their lives because of their 1954 02:01:02.560 --> 02:01:07.560 identity is refreshing. Like the main character Caroline is queer, 1955 02:01:07.880 --> 02:01:11.399 and it just is a fact. She has a lot 1956 02:01:11.439 --> 02:01:13.680 of other trauma going on and a lot of other history, 1957 02:01:13.720 --> 02:01:16.560 but like her sexuality, it's so sure, it's all like 1958 02:01:16.560 --> 02:01:18.800 imbued in there, right, but like it's not the it's 1959 02:01:18.840 --> 02:01:21.920 not the inciting incident of the play. It's not the 1960 02:01:22.439 --> 02:01:26.039 main motivational factor. And the people around Caroline don't blink 1961 02:01:26.079 --> 02:01:27.840 an eye. And the same thing with other characters when 1962 02:01:27.880 --> 02:01:30.640 they when they delve into that identity to nobody blinks 1963 02:01:30.640 --> 02:01:33.640 an eye anything. So the sort of you know, the 1964 02:01:33.760 --> 02:01:36.159 quote unquote normalizing of that in the narrative is really 1965 02:01:36.159 --> 02:01:39.000 refreshing because we just don't see that a lot in media, 1966 02:01:39.079 --> 02:01:42.199 Like when queer stories are on stage or on film 1967 02:01:42.279 --> 02:01:47.399 or whatever, it's usually there's something hateful happening or very 1968 02:01:47.479 --> 02:01:51.880 very difficult related to it, right, And we try as 1969 02:01:51.880 --> 02:01:56.239 a collective to like find stories that aren't always. 1970 02:01:56.039 --> 02:01:56.640 Just about that. 1971 02:01:57.239 --> 02:01:59.159 It's very real, obviously you don't want to shy away 1972 02:01:59.159 --> 02:02:01.000 from just like the realness of what we all go through, 1973 02:02:01.039 --> 02:02:03.279 but also we see so much of it, we live it, 1974 02:02:03.399 --> 02:02:05.640 so like to live something else is nice. 1975 02:02:06.000 --> 02:02:09.359 Elliott Schraefer is in the building. Hi, Elliott, how are you? 1976 02:02:10.000 --> 02:02:10.159 Hi? 1977 02:02:10.359 --> 02:02:11.760 I'm great, Thanks for having me. 1978 02:02:12.119 --> 02:02:15.439 What drew you to science fiction? Have you always been 1979 02:02:15.439 --> 02:02:15.760 a fan? 1980 02:02:16.960 --> 02:02:19.520 I've been a fan of science fiction, yes, when I 1981 02:02:19.560 --> 02:02:23.079 was a teenager. I loved two thousand and one and 1982 02:02:23.119 --> 02:02:27.760 its follow up novels. I am a huge fan of Battlecarcalactica, 1983 02:02:27.880 --> 02:02:31.479 the reboot that started in two thousand and four. And 1984 02:02:31.520 --> 02:02:34.399 I think, you know, there's just something science fiction does, 1985 02:02:34.399 --> 02:02:37.479 this crazy thing which takes things that we're concerned about, 1986 02:02:37.520 --> 02:02:42.479 like social social questions that we have about how we 1987 02:02:42.560 --> 02:02:44.800 relate to each other in our contemporary world, and it 1988 02:02:44.840 --> 02:02:46.600 puts them in a new context where you can kind 1989 02:02:46.600 --> 02:02:49.640 of see them a new and reassess it. And I 1990 02:02:49.640 --> 02:02:52.560 think that's always been a really powerful selling point of 1991 02:02:52.560 --> 02:02:54.960 that genre, just like how Star Trek back in the 1992 02:02:55.000 --> 02:02:57.640 nineteen sixties was a way to talk about race for 1993 02:02:57.680 --> 02:02:59.600 a country that was unwilling to talk about race. They 1994 02:02:59.600 --> 02:03:03.159 were doing it through this diverse crew that was meeting, 1995 02:03:03.680 --> 02:03:06.720 like Captain Kirk kept falling in love with various aliens, 1996 02:03:06.800 --> 02:03:08.640 you know, so it was like you're like the first 1997 02:03:08.640 --> 02:03:10.920 inter racial kiss was on Star Trek, And I think 1998 02:03:10.960 --> 02:03:13.199 there's a way in which it kind of can push 1999 02:03:13.319 --> 02:03:17.159 forward and in a way that contemporary aratives, not necessarily 2000 02:03:17.439 --> 02:03:20.439 aren't so equipped to do, can actually look and really 2001 02:03:20.479 --> 02:03:23.319 examine what's going on. And I think for me reading 2002 02:03:23.359 --> 02:03:26.520 these science fiction stories, I never even hoped to find 2003 02:03:27.039 --> 02:03:31.279 an LGBTQ character in them, right, And that felt like 2004 02:03:32.720 --> 02:03:35.119 a real kind of loss, Like I would have loved 2005 02:03:35.159 --> 02:03:37.560 to see myself in one of these stories. And so 2006 02:03:38.199 --> 02:03:40.960 in the darkness outside us and the brightness between us, 2007 02:03:41.079 --> 02:03:44.199 it's very much trying to like fill a hole that 2008 02:03:44.359 --> 02:03:49.680 was there, not just around LGBT representation, but also, you know, 2009 02:03:49.720 --> 02:03:52.359 sci fi kind of deservedly gets a reputation sometimes as 2010 02:03:52.399 --> 02:03:54.600 being a little bit chilly, like it's kind of all 2011 02:03:54.640 --> 02:03:57.800 about the ideas and not about characters and feeling. And 2012 02:03:58.279 --> 02:04:00.720 I wanted to kind of also as much as I could, 2013 02:04:00.840 --> 02:04:04.880 like just create characters and a romance that would really 2014 02:04:05.159 --> 02:04:07.720 pull people in and so there's a way in which 2015 02:04:07.760 --> 02:04:11.560 these boys are each other's only the only other humans 2016 02:04:11.560 --> 02:04:13.800 in each other's lives because they're trapped on a spaceship together, 2017 02:04:13.840 --> 02:04:16.560 and so there's a way in which they discover that 2018 02:04:16.600 --> 02:04:19.239 connection is the only way to survive. And I think 2019 02:04:19.359 --> 02:04:21.960 that's we all live a version of that story where 2020 02:04:22.000 --> 02:04:25.079 you realize even with all your armor and you're saying, like, 2021 02:04:25.159 --> 02:04:27.640 I'm good, I'm fine on my own, I don't need anyone, 2022 02:04:27.880 --> 02:04:30.680 screw my families, screw my friends, whatever. Like we all 2023 02:04:30.760 --> 02:04:32.840 learn like you do need someone. It doesn't have to 2024 02:04:32.880 --> 02:04:35.279 be your family that you were born with, but you do. 2025 02:04:36.119 --> 02:04:39.279 We are we only exist in emotionally healthy ways if 2026 02:04:39.279 --> 02:04:42.960 we're in a relationship with someone of any sort not romantic. 2027 02:04:44.000 --> 02:04:47.720 Yeah, that's that is one thing that you know. I 2028 02:04:48.199 --> 02:04:50.880 also am a fan of science fiction, and you're right, 2029 02:04:51.720 --> 02:04:55.520 it does tend to be a little cold and clinical 2030 02:04:55.560 --> 02:04:58.960 and sterile at times, and that is an element in 2031 02:04:59.000 --> 02:05:04.560 your work that I do appreciate, that sense of emotional 2032 02:05:04.560 --> 02:05:09.960 awareness and intimacy, and you know, yeah, I think it 2033 02:05:10.039 --> 02:05:15.079 is safe to say that that comes directly from you know, 2034 02:05:15.239 --> 02:05:21.319 our queer sensibility and the longing for connection and belonging 2035 02:05:21.359 --> 02:05:24.319 and togetherness and family, et cetera, et cetera. 2036 02:05:25.439 --> 02:05:27.279 Yeah, we have to work, you know, we all had 2037 02:05:27.279 --> 02:05:30.960 to survive and upbringing where we weren't necessarily able to 2038 02:05:31.000 --> 02:05:33.359 be our authentic selves, or most of us did. So 2039 02:05:34.319 --> 02:05:38.000 a lot of our adulthood is about, you know, keeping 2040 02:05:38.039 --> 02:05:40.680 whatever armor is useful, but also removing whatever pieces we 2041 02:05:40.720 --> 02:05:44.439 can to become vulnerable to each other and not you know, 2042 02:05:44.760 --> 02:05:48.119 not always because I think you know, I certainly if 2043 02:05:48.119 --> 02:05:50.560 you look at like the wreckage of all my relationship 2044 02:05:50.600 --> 02:05:53.720 from my twenties, I just was not ready to like 2045 02:05:53.760 --> 02:05:56.760 sort of say like, oh I need you, I need help, 2046 02:05:56.840 --> 02:05:58.359 you know, like those kind of things. I was like 2047 02:05:58.520 --> 02:06:01.439 just always trying to like, no, I'm like, you're emotional, 2048 02:06:01.479 --> 02:06:03.800 but I'm not feeling anything right now. And that was 2049 02:06:03.840 --> 02:06:06.760 all the result of growing up in the closet and 2050 02:06:06.800 --> 02:06:11.680 feeling like I had to like be walled off from 2051 02:06:12.079 --> 02:06:14.600 meeting people, relying on them, or being my full self 2052 02:06:14.600 --> 02:06:16.520 with them, And a lot of my work as an 2053 02:06:16.560 --> 02:06:20.399 adult was figuring out how to become authentic again. 2054 02:06:21.279 --> 02:06:24.520 This episode is brought to you by Decanted jug Wine 2055 02:06:24.880 --> 02:06:30.000 and Early Voting. This was early October where a judge 2056 02:06:30.000 --> 02:06:35.880 smacked down dad's demand to hang straight pride flags and 2057 02:06:36.039 --> 02:06:40.479 kids' colassrooms. But what the fuck is this straight pride flag? 2058 02:06:41.960 --> 02:06:42.920 I assume it's white. 2059 02:06:45.039 --> 02:06:46.039 Actually I think it's gray. 2060 02:06:46.600 --> 02:06:47.640 Well, that makes sense too. 2061 02:06:47.840 --> 02:06:50.560 I saw like a mock up design. I wasn't even 2062 02:06:50.560 --> 02:06:53.119 sure if it was real or not, like a couple 2063 02:06:53.199 --> 02:06:54.920 of years ago, and I was like, yep, that's what 2064 02:06:54.960 --> 02:06:55.279 I thought. 2065 02:06:55.279 --> 02:06:59.119 It was boring this jack asked. Nathan Feldman also saw 2066 02:06:59.119 --> 02:07:04.760 it three million dollars in damages for alleged discrimination his 2067 02:07:05.000 --> 02:07:09.239 children faced for not being allowed to hang the flags. 2068 02:07:12.880 --> 02:07:16.479 If it weren't for jackasses like you, we wouldn't need 2069 02:07:16.880 --> 02:07:22.520 the gay pride flag, the queer plague exactly queer flag. 2070 02:07:24.079 --> 02:07:28.079 He claimed he and his two children were discriminated against 2071 02:07:28.600 --> 02:07:32.119 by a policy that allows teachers to hang pride flags 2072 02:07:32.119 --> 02:07:35.359 in their classrooms at their discretion. He said his family's 2073 02:07:35.399 --> 02:07:41.319 First Amendment rates were infringed upon when school administrators rejected 2074 02:07:41.720 --> 02:07:47.119 his demand to hang straight Pride banners up alongside LGBTQ 2075 02:07:47.199 --> 02:07:52.960 plus flags in mile high classrooms. I believe this is Colorado, right, 2076 02:07:53.359 --> 02:08:00.520 I think. Federal US Magistrate Judge Scott T. Varholock commended 2077 02:08:00.600 --> 02:08:06.319 that Feldman's claim be dismissed. Yeah. Colorado Politics reported the 2078 02:08:06.439 --> 02:08:11.199 judge cited an opinion by US Supreme Court Justice Stephen Bryer, 2079 02:08:11.720 --> 02:08:15.319 who wrote, when the government speaks for itself, the First 2080 02:08:15.319 --> 02:08:19.119 Amendment does not demand airtime for all views. 2081 02:08:20.079 --> 02:08:22.840 It doesn't say here what grade the kids are in. 2082 02:08:23.399 --> 02:08:26.039 But I'm thinking, like, you don't even know your kids 2083 02:08:26.039 --> 02:08:30.800 are straight, sir? Yeah, I mean, and they could be, 2084 02:08:31.119 --> 02:08:33.880 but they also just as likely could not be. 2085 02:08:34.039 --> 02:08:41.239 His claims of sex discrimination and equal protection claims were meritless. 2086 02:08:41.560 --> 02:08:53.319 Exactly. Again, Queer pride flags are not pro anything other 2087 02:08:53.439 --> 02:08:59.840 than inclusion and safety and providing a space for everyone. Yeah, 2088 02:09:00.520 --> 02:09:03.800 you know, a straight pride flag would actually do the 2089 02:09:03.920 --> 02:09:04.600 opposite of. 2090 02:09:04.560 --> 02:09:08.079 That, exactly, And they're fine with that. They don't want 2091 02:09:08.079 --> 02:09:13.000 everyone to feel included. They don't want us to feel safe, 2092 02:09:13.199 --> 02:09:14.800 you know exactly. 2093 02:09:14.840 --> 02:09:18.960 It's like that, like ignoring the fact that I'm sure 2094 02:09:19.119 --> 02:09:22.239 there will be straight kids in the mix that would 2095 02:09:22.319 --> 02:09:25.520 also feel uncomfortable with the straight pride flag because of 2096 02:09:25.560 --> 02:09:26.359 what it represents. 2097 02:09:26.399 --> 02:09:30.239 And I think a yahoo like this with a clear agenda, 2098 02:09:31.079 --> 02:09:38.960 probably backed by one of these interesting organizations, doesn't begin 2099 02:09:39.079 --> 02:09:43.000 to get It doesn't begin to understand any of it 2100 02:09:43.239 --> 02:09:49.840 and doesn't want to right, and probably you know, sees 2101 02:09:50.000 --> 02:09:57.520 children being far more inclusive these days and can't stand right, 2102 02:09:57.640 --> 02:09:59.479 which makes me wonder what he's having. 2103 02:10:00.720 --> 02:10:03.239 I had to be bullied, so you should be bullied too. 2104 02:10:03.359 --> 02:10:07.520 Or something, yeah, or something. But you know, maybe his 2105 02:10:07.680 --> 02:10:09.760 kids have a transferend or something in a sent him 2106 02:10:09.760 --> 02:10:10.239 over the end. 2107 02:10:10.359 --> 02:10:13.800 Who knows as kids today getting hugs and love and shit. 2108 02:10:14.039 --> 02:10:18.479 I know right, I'll not have it. 2109 02:10:18.479 --> 02:10:21.239 It's crazy. I don't even know what the fuck this 2110 02:10:21.319 --> 02:10:23.079 is brought to you by. You know what I'm saying, 2111 02:10:23.279 --> 02:10:26.159 Langston Hughes and Maya Agelin, That's what it's brought to 2112 02:10:26.159 --> 02:10:26.399 you by. 2113 02:10:26.560 --> 02:10:32.640 Good enough. Let America be America again. Let it be 2114 02:10:32.720 --> 02:10:36.000 the dream it used to be. Let it be the 2115 02:10:36.079 --> 02:10:40.680 pioneer on the plane seeking a home where he himself 2116 02:10:40.880 --> 02:10:46.960 is free. America never was America to me. Let America 2117 02:10:47.039 --> 02:10:51.720 be the dream the dreamers dreamed. Let it be that great, 2118 02:10:51.760 --> 02:10:56.760 strong land of love, where never kings connive, nor Tyrant's 2119 02:10:56.960 --> 02:11:02.439 scheme that any man be crushed by one above. It 2120 02:11:02.520 --> 02:11:04.239 never was America to me. 2121 02:11:05.000 --> 02:11:08.439 You may write me down in history with your bitter, 2122 02:11:08.680 --> 02:11:12.680 twisted lies. You may trod me in the very dirt 2123 02:11:13.600 --> 02:11:21.199 that still like dust. I'll rise. Does my sassiness upset you? 2124 02:11:22.199 --> 02:11:25.720 Why are you beset with gloom? Because I walk like 2125 02:11:25.800 --> 02:11:30.479 I've got oil wells pumping in my living room, just 2126 02:11:30.560 --> 02:11:34.359 like moons, and like suns, with the certainty of tides, 2127 02:11:35.039 --> 02:11:41.760 just like hopes springing high. Still, I'll rise? Did you 2128 02:11:41.840 --> 02:11:46.359 want to see me broken? Bowed head and lowered eye, 2129 02:11:46.399 --> 02:11:51.159 shoulders falling down like teardrops weakened by my soulful cries? 2130 02:11:52.399 --> 02:11:56.960 Does my haughtiness offend you? Don't you take it awful hard? 2131 02:11:57.439 --> 02:12:01.319 Because I laugh like I've got gold mine digging in 2132 02:12:01.399 --> 02:12:06.920 my own backyard. John S. Garrison, Welcome to the full 2133 02:12:06.960 --> 02:12:07.840 circle table. 2134 02:12:08.000 --> 02:12:08.760 Thank you very much. 2135 02:12:08.800 --> 02:12:12.039 I'm glad to be here. Part and parcel of the Red, Hot, 2136 02:12:12.039 --> 02:12:15.760 and Blue Project was a public awareness campaign that had 2137 02:12:17.119 --> 02:12:24.319 posters and wheat pasting and whatnot about ah tov prevention. 2138 02:12:24.600 --> 02:12:29.399 And that campaign was radical too, one because it showed 2139 02:12:30.720 --> 02:12:37.000 unclothed and naked straight couples, gay cut queer couples, but 2140 02:12:37.119 --> 02:12:42.399 also it showed mixed race couples. It was bilingual. It 2141 02:12:42.439 --> 02:12:44.800 was this kind of early moment in the pandemic where 2142 02:12:44.920 --> 02:12:48.640 a lot of the prevention messaging was just about white 2143 02:12:48.680 --> 02:12:53.880 men because that was like, because it received as a 2144 02:12:53.920 --> 02:12:57.439 gay male disease. Like, part of this project for me 2145 02:12:57.640 --> 02:13:00.640 was going back to all this stuff I'd kind of forgotten. 2146 02:13:01.760 --> 02:13:07.039 I forgot that when HIV first emerged, it was referred to, 2147 02:13:07.119 --> 02:13:12.800 you know, by the White House as a gay plague, right, 2148 02:13:13.159 --> 02:13:16.520 and even in medical circles it was called gay Gay 2149 02:13:16.640 --> 02:13:19.000 related immune deficiency syndrome. 2150 02:13:18.720 --> 02:13:21.319 GRID G GRID came before it. 2151 02:13:22.119 --> 02:13:25.319 I mean, and if you listen to that name gay related, 2152 02:13:25.359 --> 02:13:29.439 I mean like it sounds like, oh, because you're gay 2153 02:13:30.600 --> 02:13:34.640 or related to the gay quote unquote lifestyle, you get 2154 02:13:34.640 --> 02:13:37.640 this disease, like like gay itself is sort of a 2155 02:13:37.680 --> 02:13:41.439 disease or attracts disease. Gay is a sickness. 2156 02:13:42.039 --> 02:13:44.399 And there was course, well, and it was you know, 2157 02:13:44.479 --> 02:13:46.600 you mentioned that in the book. It took until nineteen 2158 02:13:46.680 --> 02:13:51.319 seventy three for it to you know, be removed from 2159 02:13:51.359 --> 02:13:53.159 the DFM. 2160 02:13:53.600 --> 02:13:55.439 Yeah, one hundred per Yeah, it took. And you know 2161 02:13:55.439 --> 02:13:57.600 there's this lag time, so you think, just because it 2162 02:13:57.640 --> 02:13:59.760 is taken out of the DSM in the seventies doesn't 2163 02:13:59.800 --> 02:14:02.359 mean that all the way through my I don't know 2164 02:14:02.399 --> 02:14:05.479 when I was growing up or even today, people don't think, oh, 2165 02:14:05.560 --> 02:14:08.760 isn't it sort of something you catch? Can't people be recruited? 2166 02:14:09.479 --> 02:14:12.079 Like all those all those ideas are still there. So, 2167 02:14:12.840 --> 02:14:16.479 you know, writing this book really took me back to 2168 02:14:16.560 --> 02:14:19.239 that era. I don't know if I blocked it out 2169 02:14:19.479 --> 02:14:22.199 or if things are better now so I've forgotten how 2170 02:14:22.239 --> 02:14:25.319 bad they used to be, But I mean it was 2171 02:14:25.920 --> 02:14:27.479 it was hard to go back to thinking about what 2172 02:14:27.520 --> 02:14:29.560 it was like in the late eighties early nineties. But 2173 02:14:29.600 --> 02:14:32.840 it was also good for me to remember that. I mean, 2174 02:14:32.880 --> 02:14:35.680 all that stuff was so readily available, all that kind 2175 02:14:35.680 --> 02:14:40.680 of prejudice, all that homophobia, transphobia, like all that racism, 2176 02:14:40.760 --> 02:14:45.119 like it just immediately bubbled to the surface with the pandemic. 2177 02:14:46.359 --> 02:14:50.399 Yes it did, Yes it did, because we had the seventies, right, 2178 02:14:50.680 --> 02:14:55.199 so we had Stonewall and other uprisings in the nineteen 2179 02:14:55.279 --> 02:14:58.600 sixties that kind of led us to a brief era 2180 02:14:59.279 --> 02:15:02.920 like you know, it lasted about as long as Disco 2181 02:15:03.359 --> 02:15:06.479 when we were kind we were there, you know, kind 2182 02:15:06.479 --> 02:15:09.880 of celebrated and part of the culture, and you know, 2183 02:15:10.239 --> 02:15:15.279 the village people and all of that. And then here 2184 02:15:15.439 --> 02:15:19.079 was Aids nineteen eighty one and a lot of people 2185 02:15:19.159 --> 02:15:22.239 believed that was our come up, and like, see, that's 2186 02:15:22.319 --> 02:15:26.479 what you get from that kind of behavior, celebrating all 2187 02:15:26.520 --> 02:15:31.560 that saggotry, right, And that really was the way it looked, 2188 02:15:32.079 --> 02:15:36.119 you know. And so for all the strides we made, 2189 02:15:36.439 --> 02:15:40.680 we took a huge, huge step back for you know, 2190 02:15:41.399 --> 02:15:47.159 most of the eighties and the nineties. It changed the conversation. 2191 02:15:47.960 --> 02:15:51.119 This episode is brought to you by decanted jug Wine 2192 02:15:51.479 --> 02:15:57.279 and my tired ass South Carolina mayor who used the 2193 02:15:57.279 --> 02:16:02.600 word faggot in a meeting. It was said he meant 2194 02:16:02.640 --> 02:16:06.039 a bundle of sticks, before claiming he didn't know what 2195 02:16:06.079 --> 02:16:09.720 the well known anti gay sler meant at all. 2196 02:16:09.960 --> 02:16:12.640 Yeah, so we live in sixteen oh nine that you 2197 02:16:12.760 --> 02:16:15.560 just randomly assumed that when you say the word faggot, 2198 02:16:15.560 --> 02:16:17.760 that everyone's going to think you mean the bundle of sticks, 2199 02:16:18.000 --> 02:16:21.159 which I might point out is meant to be burned, 2200 02:16:21.199 --> 02:16:23.960 which was why it was used in reference to homosexuals 2201 02:16:23.960 --> 02:16:26.039 in the first fucking place. Don't try and gas on 2202 02:16:26.119 --> 02:16:28.640 my leg and tell me is raining motherfucker? Thank you, 2203 02:16:29.079 --> 02:16:31.079 like fuck you for trying to insult my intelligence. 2204 02:16:31.279 --> 02:16:35.120 Yeah, so a South Carolina mayor is facing widespread criticism. 2205 02:16:35.280 --> 02:16:39.239 Good after an inflammatory exchange during a city council meeting 2206 02:16:39.319 --> 02:16:42.760 I'm reading out of the Advocate, which repeated an anti 2207 02:16:42.840 --> 02:16:47.399 gay slur and made comments many have called inappropriate and unprofessional. 2208 02:16:48.200 --> 02:16:53.680 It was captured on video. The incident happened when a 2209 02:16:53.719 --> 02:16:57.879 resident identified as Calvin used the public comment portion of 2210 02:16:57.920 --> 02:17:02.600 the meeting to accuse Darlington Mayor Artless Boyd cowardis Boyd 2211 02:17:03.520 --> 02:17:07.159 of violating state law by living outside city limits, a 2212 02:17:07.239 --> 02:17:09.680 requirement for holding political office. 2213 02:17:09.920 --> 02:17:10.600 We'll see. 2214 02:17:10.760 --> 02:17:15.760 Calvin challenged the mayor's residency and called for an investigation. Boyd, 2215 02:17:15.760 --> 02:17:18.559 who was elected in twenty nineteen and reelected in twenty 2216 02:17:18.680 --> 02:17:23.440 twenty three, responded with an offbeat an unexpected invitation. You're 2217 02:17:23.479 --> 02:17:25.520 welcome to leave with me tonight and if you want, 2218 02:17:25.559 --> 02:17:27.600 you can sleep in my bed butt naked with me. 2219 02:17:27.680 --> 02:17:34.399 He said, I'm sorry, what the wow? The comment drew 2220 02:17:34.479 --> 02:17:37.319 laughter from the audience, but Calvin replied I'm not gay 2221 02:17:37.840 --> 02:17:42.120 before using an anti gay slur. Boyd echoed the slur 2222 02:17:42.239 --> 02:17:47.520 in his response, saying I'm not that either. In the 2223 02:17:47.760 --> 02:17:52.239 days that followed the exchange, Boyd defended his remarks, telling 2224 02:17:52.280 --> 02:17:54.879 local media outlets that he didn't intend to be offensive 2225 02:17:55.360 --> 02:18:00.479 and repeated the slur, only to mere Calvin's words, Okay, 2226 02:18:01.360 --> 02:18:03.440 the F word that you were referring to means a 2227 02:18:03.440 --> 02:18:06.200 bundle of sticks, and he said he was not that. 2228 02:18:07.159 --> 02:18:10.879 I said, I'm not that either. Whatever it is, I 2229 02:18:10.879 --> 02:18:13.000 looked it up and it means a bundle of sticks 2230 02:18:13.239 --> 02:18:15.639 if you look at the dictionary. I think you love 2231 02:18:15.760 --> 02:18:17.760 intentionally obtoose jerk offs. 2232 02:18:18.959 --> 02:18:21.760 That's not even being intentionally obtuse. That is trying very 2233 02:18:21.760 --> 02:18:26.440 hard to back up your own nonsense. I didn't say 2234 02:18:26.440 --> 02:18:26.959 the hard R. 2235 02:18:27.000 --> 02:18:30.319 I said, ah, I haven't done anything wrong or said 2236 02:18:30.360 --> 02:18:34.319 anything wrong to him. Well, he maintained he didn't use 2237 02:18:34.360 --> 02:18:37.920 the word as a slur, but that he apologizes to 2238 02:18:37.959 --> 02:18:41.520 those he offended. H he feels that has been blown 2239 02:18:41.559 --> 02:18:43.000 out of proportion. Of course you do. 2240 02:18:43.319 --> 02:18:49.520 But hell so, at best, you're an idiot. At worst, 2241 02:18:49.680 --> 02:18:51.079 you're an asshole idiot. 2242 02:18:52.280 --> 02:18:55.200 David Beack, Welcome to the Full Circle Table. 2243 02:18:55.719 --> 02:18:57.079 Thank you so much for having me. 2244 02:18:57.559 --> 02:19:01.719 I think it was a fascinating character because it's someone 2245 02:19:01.760 --> 02:19:05.760 who sort of hold holds on to her faith, you know, 2246 02:19:05.840 --> 02:19:09.840 despite the persecution and the discrimination, and it's like, well, 2247 02:19:09.879 --> 02:19:14.000 I know the difference between faith and spirituality and religion 2248 02:19:14.239 --> 02:19:17.040 you know, and and faith is personal. 2249 02:19:17.760 --> 02:19:19.559 It's you know, something that. 2250 02:19:21.079 --> 02:19:24.760 Man cannot touch, you know, it's it's something sacred that's 2251 02:19:24.799 --> 02:19:26.840 just between me and my higher power. 2252 02:19:27.559 --> 02:19:29.239 And I love that that. 2253 02:19:29.760 --> 02:19:32.719 I mean, she's sort of in a way was the 2254 02:19:32.799 --> 02:19:36.840 wisest in the movie and the sanest person. 2255 02:19:36.559 --> 02:19:37.120 In the movie. 2256 02:19:37.360 --> 02:19:40.440 You know, we all were kind of quirky, crazy characters, 2257 02:19:40.520 --> 02:19:43.360 koky characters, you know, including the kids, and she was 2258 02:19:43.440 --> 02:19:48.879 just this this core you know, stable force, the sense of. 2259 02:19:48.799 --> 02:19:50.040 Calm in this world. 2260 02:19:50.559 --> 02:19:54.879 And uh, that's what I that's what really drew me 2261 02:19:54.959 --> 02:19:58.159 to the the story, into the projects, you know, that's 2262 02:19:58.200 --> 02:20:01.799 what a story we wanted to Well. So, yeah, because 2263 02:20:02.120 --> 02:20:04.920 a lot of times as LGBTQ people were kind of 2264 02:20:05.760 --> 02:20:09.479 once we come out as whatever we are, we're almost 2265 02:20:09.479 --> 02:20:13.799 obligated to, uh you know throw that away, you know, 2266 02:20:15.600 --> 02:20:18.760 not just the religion, but like everything and and I 2267 02:20:18.799 --> 02:20:21.959 think you know, it's a it's a delicate conversation, but 2268 02:20:22.559 --> 02:20:26.440 you know, there is a huge difference between spirituality and religion, 2269 02:20:27.079 --> 02:20:32.079 and a lot of people enjoy the ritual of Catholicism 2270 02:20:32.239 --> 02:20:36.440 or religion, you know, the sacraments, the you know choir. 2271 02:20:36.719 --> 02:20:38.559 You know that that was a big thing in the movie, 2272 02:20:38.639 --> 02:20:41.479 like singing in the church choir and participate in you know, 2273 02:20:41.479 --> 02:20:46.120 in the community, and it's like, what are we going 2274 02:20:46.200 --> 02:20:46.399 to do? 2275 02:20:46.440 --> 02:20:47.159 We're not welcome. 2276 02:20:47.600 --> 02:20:47.799 You know. 2277 02:20:48.639 --> 02:20:52.079 This episode is brought to you by Decanta jug Wine 2278 02:20:52.159 --> 02:20:55.799 and the find out phase of Novembers fucking around, you 2279 02:20:55.799 --> 02:21:02.159 know whatever, God to say, Happy New Year baby, it is. Indeed, 2280 02:21:03.799 --> 02:21:05.799 somebody just looked at me with such a look when 2281 02:21:05.840 --> 02:21:08.360 I said Happy New Year. I went New Year, and 2282 02:21:08.399 --> 02:21:12.840 they went, okay, fair enough, Yeah I hear you. 2283 02:21:13.239 --> 02:21:16.479 But you know what, no, because I have decided, okay 2284 02:21:16.959 --> 02:21:21.559 that for this year, my plan is to move forward 2285 02:21:22.319 --> 02:21:28.920 being as intentionally like good and fabulous and positive as 2286 02:21:28.959 --> 02:21:33.879 I can be, because the alternative just like being angry 2287 02:21:33.959 --> 02:21:36.959 and sad and depressed and whatever. 2288 02:21:36.760 --> 02:21:42.159 Like for what. Well, I mean, I agree with you. 2289 02:21:42.159 --> 02:21:45.600 You know, there's the whole jack boots in the street 2290 02:21:45.639 --> 02:21:48.159 thing that is a little unsettling. But no, I get 2291 02:21:48.200 --> 02:21:51.959 that we'll find out. But yeah, no, I mean I 2292 02:21:51.959 --> 02:21:56.079 think that's you know, that's been the theme of the 2293 02:21:56.120 --> 02:21:59.840 talking I've done since November is you know, we are 2294 02:22:00.040 --> 02:22:03.040 stronger together. We are stronger when we stand in community. 2295 02:22:03.079 --> 02:22:05.719 We are stronger when we stand up for one another 2296 02:22:06.159 --> 02:22:09.200 as part of the same community. Correct, I invite the 2297 02:22:09.239 --> 02:22:11.159 other letters to join. 2298 02:22:10.959 --> 02:22:15.399 Me, and I am by no means suggesting that I'm 2299 02:22:15.719 --> 02:22:18.040 you know, going to ignore what's going on because I can't. 2300 02:22:18.239 --> 02:22:21.760 It's time we capitalize the ta y'all right, because you know, 2301 02:22:21.799 --> 02:22:24.440 none of those letters are silent, none of them should be. 2302 02:22:24.639 --> 02:22:28.639 And you know we've had a long and storied history 2303 02:22:28.680 --> 02:22:34.559 of dealing with one another throughout the acronym. And you know, 2304 02:22:34.639 --> 02:22:38.159 what comes to me today is very likely to come 2305 02:22:38.200 --> 02:22:42.319 to you tomorrow. You know, let's let's us learn something 2306 02:22:42.319 --> 02:22:46.319 from history if no one else exactly cared to because 2307 02:22:46.360 --> 02:22:48.840 it's you know, it's going to be interesting. We know 2308 02:22:48.959 --> 02:22:51.959 that as Suppo as the electorate is concerned, we're not 2309 02:22:52.000 --> 02:22:55.319 the priority. But god damn it, you know that's this 2310 02:22:55.360 --> 02:22:57.799 seems to be. They have such a hot nut for us, 2311 02:22:59.520 --> 02:23:05.200 and it's just incredible, it's truly breathtaking, like a. 2312 02:23:05.120 --> 02:23:08.559 Record number of new pieces of anti transit. 2313 02:23:09.000 --> 02:23:12.479 Bush and now they get to play with fuck around 2314 02:23:12.520 --> 02:23:16.200 on the federal level. Eighty one Democrats joined them, you know, 2315 02:23:16.239 --> 02:23:19.559 in the National Defense Bill and Biden signed it. So yeah, 2316 02:23:19.840 --> 02:23:21.920 plenty of disappointment to go around right now. 2317 02:23:22.319 --> 02:23:22.920 It's true. 2318 02:23:23.120 --> 02:23:28.479 Yeah, I got you know, you know, I really hope 2319 02:23:28.559 --> 02:23:33.159 we figure out at some point we're talking about human beings. 2320 02:23:33.239 --> 02:23:37.440 We are not talking about politics. We're talking about lives. 2321 02:23:37.239 --> 02:23:39.319 Right, not theoretical people either. 2322 02:23:39.360 --> 02:23:42.559 Yeah, not theoretical people. You don't know more than the doctors. 2323 02:23:42.600 --> 02:23:44.840 You don't know more than the expect You don't know 2324 02:23:44.920 --> 02:23:48.280 more than us about who we are. You know, I'm 2325 02:23:48.280 --> 02:23:51.079 just anyway sick of hearing it. We're still gonna have 2326 02:23:51.120 --> 02:23:53.520 to talk about a few things. But I think that's 2327 02:23:53.520 --> 02:23:54.360 why I'm surly. 2328 02:23:54.479 --> 02:23:58.520 I'm just I know, and I'm over here like, let's 2329 02:23:58.600 --> 02:24:02.040 just shine our light well, and you know I'm working 2330 02:24:02.079 --> 02:24:02.799 on that. I know. 2331 02:24:02.920 --> 02:24:04.680 I shine my light of a goddamn day. 2332 02:24:04.799 --> 02:24:05.319 I know you do. 2333 02:24:05.520 --> 02:24:12.959 Yeah, it's Sunday. It's one I don't feel shining. I 2334 02:24:13.079 --> 02:24:14.399 do not feel shining. 2335 02:24:14.840 --> 02:24:18.239 This minisode is brought to you by freshly minted White 2336 02:24:18.239 --> 02:24:24.079 Tears and the eternal search for consistent sanity and intelligence 2337 02:24:24.600 --> 02:24:30.040 on the Internet. This story is about a certain motherfucker 2338 02:24:30.079 --> 02:24:35.520 who actually is the reason why this segment exists. Little 2339 02:24:35.600 --> 02:24:40.399 Miss George Santos is back in the goddamn news. The 2340 02:24:40.479 --> 02:24:45.440 headline in LGBTQ Nation reads. Federal judge smacks down George 2341 02:24:45.440 --> 02:24:51.799 Santos's attempt to delay sentencing until August to record podcasts. 2342 02:24:54.079 --> 02:24:54.520 Yeah. 2343 02:24:55.360 --> 02:24:59.559 Yes, the podcast sphere is wide open to everyone. But bitch, 2344 02:24:59.559 --> 02:25:02.879 we don't need you. You got other things you need to 2345 02:25:02.920 --> 02:25:07.959 be doing, like taking your ass to jail. So George Santos, 2346 02:25:08.639 --> 02:25:14.040 who is a former US House representative, in case y'all forgot, 2347 02:25:14.479 --> 02:25:16.959 he was there all of five minutes before we found 2348 02:25:17.000 --> 02:25:21.920 out that he lied about everything, everything, everything, Who he is, 2349 02:25:22.079 --> 02:25:25.120 who he was, who he will be, where he worked, 2350 02:25:25.120 --> 02:25:27.879 where he didn't work, who his mama and daddy is, 2351 02:25:27.920 --> 02:25:34.920 where they're from, who they are, what they are. He 2352 02:25:35.040 --> 02:25:39.000 lied about everything, and you know, again, the jury is 2353 02:25:39.040 --> 02:25:41.799 still out. I'm waiting for my confirmation that he's not 2354 02:25:41.920 --> 02:25:45.280 even really human. He is a stack of twelve raccoons 2355 02:25:45.280 --> 02:25:49.680 wearing a trench coat. Because lied about everything. So he 2356 02:25:49.799 --> 02:25:57.000 was ousted. He was indicted for fraud using campaign funds 2357 02:25:57.040 --> 02:26:03.600 for personal things like only fans, subscriptions, and clothes and 2358 02:26:04.840 --> 02:26:08.600 just messy queen, Messy messy queen. This bitch said he 2359 02:26:08.680 --> 02:26:12.600 needed more time to pay his criminal fines using earnings 2360 02:26:12.600 --> 02:26:18.639 from his recently launched podcast, Pants on Fire. With George Santos. 2361 02:26:19.280 --> 02:26:23.239 He called it pants on fire. That's more egregious than 2362 02:26:23.319 --> 02:26:26.719 OJ Simpson's If I Did It book, But anyway. His 2363 02:26:26.840 --> 02:26:31.280 sentencing was originally scheduled to occur next month, but he 2364 02:26:31.319 --> 02:26:33.559 wants to have until August to give him time to 2365 02:26:33.600 --> 02:26:37.079 pay off the two one hundred and five thousand dollars 2366 02:26:37.079 --> 02:26:42.040 that he owes in forfeiture He plugged guilty to wire 2367 02:26:42.120 --> 02:26:47.799 fraud and aggravated identity theft. District Court Judge Joanna Sebert 2368 02:26:48.159 --> 02:26:51.959 only allowed the sentencing to be delayed until April twenty fifth, 2369 02:26:52.280 --> 02:26:54.959 noting that he hasn't made any payments toward the amount 2370 02:26:55.000 --> 02:26:59.600 he owes despite his promises and predictions since pleading guilty. 2371 02:27:00.159 --> 02:27:02.280 I hope y'all didn't think that he was going to 2372 02:27:02.520 --> 02:27:06.000 do something he said he was going to, especially in 2373 02:27:06.079 --> 02:27:12.360 terms of paying his bills, because he ain't never never, never, never, 2374 02:27:12.479 --> 02:27:16.760 never never. In recent court hearing, Santos's lawyers argued that 2375 02:27:16.840 --> 02:27:19.799 he deserved a delay in sentencing and now that he 2376 02:27:19.879 --> 02:27:22.760 has quote a viable path to pay the fine through 2377 02:27:22.799 --> 02:27:27.280 the quote promising revenue stream of his podcast, which was 2378 02:27:27.360 --> 02:27:32.079 launched just last month. I'm sorry there are individuals out 2379 02:27:32.120 --> 02:27:35.840 there who are making a more than a decent living 2380 02:27:36.479 --> 02:27:44.280 as a podcaster. But to make plans on future revenue 2381 02:27:45.000 --> 02:27:48.639 from a podcast, no matter who you are, that's not 2382 02:27:48.719 --> 02:27:51.879 a good plan, booboo. You may as well just be 2383 02:27:52.040 --> 02:27:54.479 like when my tax refund comes, or when I hit 2384 02:27:54.520 --> 02:27:58.520 the lottery, or when Ray Ray give me back my 2385 02:27:58.559 --> 02:28:03.959 fifty bucks. You know what I'm saying, Like Charle, but 2386 02:28:04.520 --> 02:28:08.879 no integrity, no shame, So why am I surprised? Prosecutors 2387 02:28:09.000 --> 02:28:12.239 argued that Santos had sufficient time to secure the funds 2388 02:28:12.280 --> 02:28:15.479 to pay his two hundred and five thousand dollars fine. 2389 02:28:15.559 --> 02:28:18.239 I just feel like that number of bears. Repeating They 2390 02:28:18.280 --> 02:28:20.559 called his claims of being able to pay the fines 2391 02:28:20.600 --> 02:28:26.799 through his podcast speculative hello, and said that delaying sentencing 2392 02:28:26.840 --> 02:28:32.440 could set quote a perverse incentive structure that rewards famous defendants. 2393 02:28:33.280 --> 02:28:36.399 Despite this, the judge said she'd delay his sentencing as 2394 02:28:36.440 --> 02:28:39.879 a one time courtesy. I'll give you a little bit 2395 02:28:39.920 --> 02:28:42.959 of time. She knows he ain't gonna come through, because 2396 02:28:43.840 --> 02:28:47.239 why would this be any different? In August, Santos admitted 2397 02:28:47.280 --> 02:28:50.360 to using another person's identity and credit cards, as well 2398 02:28:50.360 --> 02:28:53.239 as campaign funds, as we said, for his own personal benefit. 2399 02:28:53.559 --> 02:28:57.760 He originally faced twenty three federal charges of campaign finance fraud, 2400 02:28:58.079 --> 02:29:01.600 including wire fraud, identity the fey laundering, theft of public funds, 2401 02:29:01.639 --> 02:29:04.600 making materially false statements to both the Federal Election Commission 2402 02:29:04.600 --> 02:29:08.639 and the US House of Representatives. He initially pleaded not 2403 02:29:08.719 --> 02:29:11.959 guilty to all charges, calling them a baseless witch hunt, 2404 02:29:11.959 --> 02:29:14.840 but then later accepted a plea deal because he didn't 2405 02:29:14.840 --> 02:29:19.280 want to go to trial and possibly suffered decades of 2406 02:29:19.319 --> 02:29:23.559 prison time because you did that shit, baby, we can 2407 02:29:23.639 --> 02:29:29.239 see you now. In addition to his two hundred and 2408 02:29:29.319 --> 02:29:33.120 five thousand dollars fine, he also owes an additional three 2409 02:29:33.280 --> 02:29:37.840 hundred and seventy five thousand dollars in restitution and could 2410 02:29:37.840 --> 02:29:43.239 face up to eight years in prison for his criminal misdealings. 2411 02:29:44.319 --> 02:29:46.840 Miss Things says, it's clear to me now that I 2412 02:29:46.920 --> 02:29:50.840 allowed ambition to cloud my judgment, leading me to make 2413 02:29:50.879 --> 02:29:55.280 decisions that were unethical and guilty. It's clear to you now, 2414 02:29:55.840 --> 02:29:59.280 Bit you knew you are messy, stunt queen. Pleading guilty 2415 02:29:59.440 --> 02:30:02.079 is a step I never imagined I'd take a bet, 2416 02:30:02.719 --> 02:30:04.920 but it is a necessary one because it is the 2417 02:30:05.000 --> 02:30:08.000 right thing to do. Yeah huh. It's not only a 2418 02:30:08.040 --> 02:30:12.600 recognition of my misrepresentation to others, but more profoundly, it 2419 02:30:12.680 --> 02:30:16.000 is my own recognition of the lies I told myself 2420 02:30:16.479 --> 02:30:18.799 over these past years. Bitch, you wrote this for you. 2421 02:30:21.360 --> 02:30:23.159 I don't believe you wrote that. I don't believe you 2422 02:30:23.159 --> 02:30:24.559 know how to write. I don't believe you went to 2423 02:30:24.559 --> 02:30:30.079 school because raccoons can't write. So yeah, no one believes 2424 02:30:30.079 --> 02:30:34.120 anything this person has to say about anything, ever, And 2425 02:30:34.159 --> 02:30:38.600 the fact that you're even getting until April is very very, 2426 02:30:39.000 --> 02:30:43.799 very very kind. And pardon me while I utter a 2427 02:30:43.840 --> 02:30:49.559 healthy gufar guffar as we revel in this latest installment of. 2428 02:30:51.360 --> 02:30:59.079 Joy, people taking pleasure and rio Qurte has welcomed to 2429 02:30:59.120 --> 02:31:00.399 the full circle. 2430 02:31:00.799 --> 02:31:02.840 Thank you, it's o good to be here. Thanks for 2431 02:31:02.879 --> 02:31:03.920 having me out a. 2432 02:31:03.959 --> 02:31:07.239 Time when books are being either banned or burned or both. 2433 02:31:09.319 --> 02:31:10.639 Where do I love this one? 2434 02:31:10.920 --> 02:31:13.440 Exactly? I was like, ooh, this this book is going 2435 02:31:13.479 --> 02:31:16.399 to be called woke, all left, right, and sideway. Yes, 2436 02:31:16.440 --> 02:31:17.200 I mean that's perfect. 2437 02:31:17.520 --> 02:31:19.799 I assume you're prepared for that, right. 2438 02:31:20.479 --> 02:31:22.680 I Actually, I'm so glad that we're talking. This is 2439 02:31:22.680 --> 02:31:24.920 the first time that we really been able to talk 2440 02:31:24.959 --> 02:31:29.399 about like our political reality alongside this book. Surprisingly, and 2441 02:31:29.440 --> 02:31:32.159 it's true, like with the ABC's of Black History, it 2442 02:31:32.239 --> 02:31:36.600 was it was banned in Miami, Florida, but and the 2443 02:31:36.639 --> 02:31:37.959 ABC's were history. 2444 02:31:38.040 --> 02:31:38.760 We talk a lot. 2445 02:31:38.680 --> 02:31:42.399 About shadow banning, where even if people aren't banning the book, 2446 02:31:42.440 --> 02:31:46.200 that merchandisers and retailers aren't taking a big position on 2447 02:31:46.239 --> 02:31:48.600 the book because they don't want to deal with their customers, 2448 02:31:48.719 --> 02:31:51.799 and so it's like a shadow like it's quietly banned 2449 02:31:51.799 --> 02:31:53.680 in a way because they're not putting it out on 2450 02:31:53.719 --> 02:31:55.799 the shelves, you know, because they don't want to engage 2451 02:31:55.840 --> 02:31:59.639 in like volatile discourse with folks who come in the store. 2452 02:31:59.680 --> 02:32:02.319 And so I think that's also happening all the time, 2453 02:32:02.440 --> 02:32:07.079 especially with queer centered books. But with women's history, I feel, yeah, 2454 02:32:07.159 --> 02:32:10.719 basically at there ready because there were certain things that 2455 02:32:10.760 --> 02:32:13.680 I think, are you have to that were unavoidable for 2456 02:32:13.719 --> 02:32:16.639 me to talk about in the book, like consent for example, 2457 02:32:17.319 --> 02:32:21.760 or choice to include trans women in the story of 2458 02:32:21.760 --> 02:32:25.200 women's history. All these things that I imagine and I 2459 02:32:25.280 --> 02:32:30.799 anticipate that somebody out there is gonna have an issue with. 2460 02:32:31.000 --> 02:32:33.040 So it hasn't happened, I mean, it just came out, 2461 02:32:33.079 --> 02:32:36.079 So I don't know, but the world is magically a 2462 02:32:36.120 --> 02:32:39.079 better place. But there are positions that I felt really 2463 02:32:39.120 --> 02:32:42.000 strongly about taking in the book that, yeah, that I 2464 02:32:42.000 --> 02:32:45.600 feel like I'm prepared for a little bit of opposition about. 2465 02:32:46.319 --> 02:32:51.639 Which is sad but a reality right now exactly of 2466 02:32:51.680 --> 02:32:55.600 the current discourse, which is upside down and insane. I mean, 2467 02:32:55.879 --> 02:32:58.760 nineteen eighty four was supposed to be a warning, not 2468 02:32:58.840 --> 02:33:04.360 a house to you got guidebook right, but you did 2469 02:33:04.440 --> 02:33:07.280 touch on those things. And as I read through the book, 2470 02:33:07.799 --> 02:33:11.920 you talk about so many powerful women through history. It 2471 02:33:11.959 --> 02:33:14.200 wasn't until I got until the very end when I 2472 02:33:14.239 --> 02:33:17.120 realized there was a section on you know, terms and figures. 2473 02:33:17.639 --> 02:33:23.319 But as I went through and you mentioned these names, 2474 02:33:24.760 --> 02:33:27.799 I thought, what a great primer, you know, for a 2475 02:33:27.959 --> 02:33:35.200 parent to teach more right, to say, just to put 2476 02:33:35.200 --> 02:33:37.559 a spark kind of on every page, like who are 2477 02:33:37.600 --> 02:33:40.000 these women? When did they live, what did they do? 2478 02:33:41.760 --> 02:33:47.120 And you provide, you know, a pretty concise piece in 2479 02:33:47.159 --> 02:33:49.840 the in the back to read about the women who 2480 02:33:50.040 --> 02:33:53.879 are mentioned in the book. But I still think, you know, 2481 02:33:54.680 --> 02:33:57.360 talk about your mom, Tarles, what she used to do. 2482 02:33:57.799 --> 02:34:03.000 Oh yeah, so my I'm biracial. My mother was white. 2483 02:34:03.000 --> 02:34:05.360 My father was black, and my mom wanted to make 2484 02:34:05.360 --> 02:34:08.920 sure that, you know, I was versed in black history, 2485 02:34:09.479 --> 02:34:13.280 so she would bring these We had these black history 2486 02:34:13.360 --> 02:34:16.840 calendars and each month was a different figure and so 2487 02:34:17.239 --> 02:34:21.360 like she made me write like a couple of paragraphs 2488 02:34:21.399 --> 02:34:24.879 about each person. Maybe you know, so that's why I 2489 02:34:24.959 --> 02:34:28.280 know who like Sojournal Truth and Benjamin Banner and those 2490 02:34:28.319 --> 02:34:31.360 you know what I'm saying. And these things are important 2491 02:34:31.440 --> 02:34:35.120 for parents to make sure that your kids, you know, 2492 02:34:35.319 --> 02:34:39.440 have more than what they will be fed in school. 2493 02:34:39.840 --> 02:34:42.760 Yeah, oh I love that. I love that your mom 2494 02:34:42.840 --> 02:34:43.120 did that. 2495 02:34:43.319 --> 02:34:43.520 Yeah. 2496 02:34:43.559 --> 02:34:45.879 Absolutely, And I feel like, thank you for acknowledging the 2497 02:34:45.959 --> 02:34:48.639 back matter. Takes a lot of time to create that 2498 02:34:48.680 --> 02:34:50.479 as a resource, but I feel like it's so important 2499 02:34:50.479 --> 02:34:52.920 because you would go and I really hope, I mean, 2500 02:34:53.000 --> 02:34:55.079 I don't hope that there are people no one knows, 2501 02:34:55.120 --> 02:34:58.159 but I love when there are moments where you encounter 2502 02:34:58.159 --> 02:35:00.920 a name that you've never heard before you're like, oh, 2503 02:35:01.000 --> 02:35:03.159 let me, actually I don't know who that is, like 2504 02:35:03.200 --> 02:35:05.239 whether you're with the young person or not, like, let 2505 02:35:05.239 --> 02:35:07.879 me look at the back and see. I think those 2506 02:35:07.920 --> 02:35:10.840 moments are discovery is kind of what you're hoping for 2507 02:35:11.120 --> 02:35:12.479 when we create a text like this. 2508 02:35:13.520 --> 02:35:17.079 Full Circle is a Never Scured Productions podcast hosted by 2509 02:35:17.159 --> 02:35:20.639 Charles Tyson Junior and Martha Madrigal, produced and edited by 2510 02:35:20.760 --> 02:35:24.920 Never scurd Executive Produced by Charles Tyson Junior and Martha Madrigal. 2511 02:35:25.200 --> 02:35:30.000 Our theme in music is by the jingle Berries. All names, pictures, music, audio, 2512 02:35:30.040 --> 02:35:33.319 and video clips are registered trademarks and or copyrights of 2513 02:35:33.360 --> 02:35:37.120 their respective copyright holders.