Speaker 1: Coming to you from the dining room table at East
Speaker 1: Barbary Lane. Welcome to our season three finale. This episode
Speaker 1: is brought to you by Decanta jug Wine and an
Speaker 1: election that has left us all beyond stunned.
Speaker 2: We're all finding out together what happens when we put
Speaker 2: a fascist, convicted criminal back into the highest office in
Speaker 2: the world. So please sit back and revisit some highlights
Speaker 2: from each episode of season three.
Speaker 1: As we enter season four, we've decided to pivot and
Speaker 1: focus more on queer joy and queer excellence and keep
Speaker 1: our bitching laser focused into a minimum for all of
Speaker 1: our sanity.
Speaker 2: I'm your host Charles Tyson Jr.
Speaker 1: And I'm your host Martha Madrigal. Welcome to the Full
Speaker 1: Circle Table. This first episode of season three is brought
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Speaker 3: Good evening, dear ones. I wrestled with the words to
Speaker 3: share with you today. I do not suffer platitudes well
Speaker 3: as we come together over the consequences of hateful rhetoric
Speaker 3: and deadly legislation. Yet again, I will never be consoled
Speaker 3: by those who claim they speak for a God who
Speaker 3: does not love her own children, all of her children.
Speaker 3: I'm angry yet again, when I cannot clearly see the
Speaker 3: road ahead. Through these two familiar tears, I thankfully remember
Speaker 3: the only advice I've probably ever taken.
Speaker 1: Keep going.
Speaker 3: Yet another family faces an unspeakable grief, a grief that
Speaker 3: terrifies them and us to our core. Next Benedict joined
Speaker 3: the ancestors too.
Speaker 1: Soon for our comprehension.
Speaker 3: Compassionate onlookers will say, let me know if there's anything
Speaker 3: I can do.
Speaker 2: Well, listen up.
Speaker 3: Next belong to a generation that holds enormous promise for
Speaker 3: better days for gender expansive humans. The best of the
Speaker 3: generations that have come after mine is so very good.
Speaker 3: They are so much more willing to say, tell me
Speaker 3: who you are, so I may know you properly. But
Speaker 3: even in a generation where our people are better understood
Speaker 3: and more often welcomed, some still become infected with a
Speaker 3: worldview insistent on othering us out of existence. Our voices
Speaker 3: remain to tell our stories, to tell NeXT's story, because
Speaker 3: love is listening. I know it's often hard to believe that,
Speaker 3: but I know all is never lost.
Speaker 1: In my life. Through many beliefs, I have.
Speaker 3: Collected far too many losses and awarded far too much grief,
Speaker 3: never quite knowing where to put the next one or
Speaker 3: the next. And I have been blessedly surrounded by chosen family,
Speaker 3: friends and true allies who embrace me on my darkest
Speaker 3: days and let my tears soak through their clothes. They
Speaker 3: remind me with their deeds as they lift my head
Speaker 3: and point the way back out here. And they remind me.
Speaker 1: To rEFInd my joy.
Speaker 3: Because our joy, our trends and queer and envy, joy,
Speaker 3: is iridescent and magical. One brilliant superpower among many love
Speaker 3: is listening. We find ourselves in a fight we did
Speaker 3: not call. Our lives have been deeply politicized. We did
Speaker 3: not ask to be anyone's politics. We never asked to
Speaker 3: be anyone's other for the sin of authenticity. So many
Speaker 3: of us know the pain of separation and division. But
Speaker 3: we are not the dividers. We are working tirelessly to
Speaker 3: be the survivors. Those of us who experience gender differently
Speaker 3: from the masses have always been here. We are not new,
Speaker 3: and we certainly aren't going anywhere. Why so many of
Speaker 3: us had to be tempered and feted garbage I can't
Speaker 3: begin to say.
Speaker 1: But we have that does not make us weaker.
Speaker 3: Trust and the transcestors that stand behind me and among you.
Speaker 3: This evening crawled so I could walk, and I will
Speaker 3: walk that others will run.
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Speaker 1: and the iridescence of irrepressible queer Joy.
Speaker 2: And I finally decided to look and see, because whenever
Speaker 2: I see this person's name, who I only referred to
Speaker 2: as coon face ocelot meaning Candace owns Yeah, Noice, I
Speaker 2: didn't say it. I tend to look the other way,
Speaker 2: but this felt a little You were not a fan,
Speaker 2: not even a little tiny bit, and never happened. Nope, Nope.
Speaker 2: So Ben Shapiro, who we also don't like.
Speaker 1: No, we don't like him either. I haven't come up
Speaker 1: with so funny when they eat their own.
Speaker 2: Right, I haven't come up with a witty name for
Speaker 2: him yet. Ben Shapiro's the Daily Wire Sever's ties with.
Speaker 1: Can't say it, Candace olens after her embrace of anti
Speaker 1: Semitic rhetoric, Right, yeah, she got who's signing your chest?
Speaker 2: She got too awful for Ben Shapiro, Ben got damned Shapiro.
Speaker 1: Yes that is what happened. Yeah, it had sever ties
Speaker 1: with her, who has ignited a torrent of backlash in
Speaker 1: recent months for her repeated embrace of anti Semitic rhetoric.
Speaker 1: She went too far. Oh yeah, Daily Wire and her
Speaker 1: have ended their relationship. The chief executive of Daily Wire
Speaker 1: set in a statement she confirmed the news and her
Speaker 1: own post, writing the rumors are true, I am finally free. Wow.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. She promotes, of course, misinformation conspiracy theories on
Speaker 1: a wide range of topics, from vaccines to immigrants, and
Speaker 1: joined The Daily Wire in twenty twenty one. They've stood
Speaker 1: by her over the years despite her penchant for trafficking
Speaker 1: in extremist and dishonest rhetoric. But since the October seven
Speaker 1: Hamas terror attack on Israel, Owens has repeatedly waded into
Speaker 1: anti Semitic waters as she fiercely criticized Israel, suggesting the
Speaker 1: Jewish government was committing genocide in Gaza and claiming there
Speaker 1: was a sinister small ring of Jewish people in Hollywood
Speaker 1: and Washington, d C. Involved in something quite sinister. In November, Shapiro,
Speaker 1: who by the way, is Jewish, called down Owens for
Speaker 1: her disgraceful rhetoric, blasting her faux sophistication on the topic.
Speaker 1: I love it when they do this to themselves. Ah,
Speaker 1: without directly naming Shapiro, Owens responded that one cannot serve
Speaker 1: both God and money. Oh my God, how, oh my,
Speaker 1: the irony, the fucking irony. Oh my. She said that.
Speaker 1: She said that, you're right, honey, you can't. God knows
Speaker 1: you don't serve God. You do serve money. Wow, as
Speaker 1: you serve up your people, a brazen dig at the
Speaker 1: Dalliwire co founder that was drenched in an age old
Speaker 1: anti Semitic rope at the time. Shabiro hit back, Candice,
Speaker 1: if you feel that taking money from the Daily Wire
Speaker 1: somehow comes between you and God, by all means quit.
Speaker 1: She then attacks Shapiro in an interview with Tucker Carlson,
Speaker 1: Oh Good God, who was fired last year for Fox News,
Speaker 1: accusing him of ad hominem attacks. In recent days, she
Speaker 1: has continued to generate more controversy, liking a post on
Speaker 1: x in which a user accused a rabbi of being
Speaker 1: drunk on Christian blood.
Speaker 2: Yeah what.
Speaker 1: Her behavior earned her the praise of those pushing hatred
Speaker 1: of the Jewish community, which the Anti Defamation League noted Thursday,
Speaker 1: when it blasted her for pushing an anti Semitic agenda
Speaker 1: and fueling the fire of hate. She responded by accusing
Speaker 1: the ADL of having turned their smear merchant guns on her.
Speaker 1: Their attacks will have the opposite effect.
Speaker 2: M h awaken world. Wow, it's a little too close
Speaker 2: to WHOA what you go and do?
Speaker 1: Girl? I'm thinking it is. She still maintains a large platform. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's famous in right wing circles, both millions of followers
Speaker 1: across her various social media accounts. She was suspended from
Speaker 1: YouTube in September for anti LGBTQ commentary repeatedly Yeah, after
Speaker 1: violating the platform's rules on hate speech. Long a supporter
Speaker 1: of Trump, amplifying his culture warrior rhetoric to her younger
Speaker 1: online audience.
Speaker 2: She still has a proble a platform, but she ain't
Speaker 2: got no job.
Speaker 1: She called Trump not just the leader of the free world,
Speaker 1: but the savior of it as well. In twenty eighteen,
Speaker 1: she was photographed with a mcgannady UFC event in Las Vegas.
Speaker 1: Last month, It's fight night, she wrote in a photocoption.
Speaker 1: Fighters only what I love and they promote anti quer
Speaker 1: themes and tropes on this bullshit Matt Walsh. Yeah, is
Speaker 1: employed there demonizes of course, gantrans people in his program. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's it's it's a complete trash organization. But they
Speaker 1: just took out you're too trashy for us because you
Speaker 1: came after the people who pay your uh huh.
Speaker 2: You sought the wrong dick.
Speaker 1: Apparently apparently she likes I uncircumcised or something. I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but the whole thing, like the whole thing, it's like, okay, good,
Speaker 1: eat your own. She is such anable, good, good, good good.
Speaker 1: She just deplorable. So, but so is Ben Shapiro, and
Speaker 1: so is my and so is that whole organization.
Speaker 2: She better pray another one of her low white boys
Speaker 2: gives her a job, because otherwise she don't have a
Speaker 2: friend in the fucking world.
Speaker 1: Because you know, I know where the god money thing
Speaker 1: comes from. But here's the thing. You know, if you
Speaker 1: make your money lying about other human beings, fuck off, right,
Speaker 1: And they all do. Every one of those people makes
Speaker 1: money by lying about marginalized people. So all of you,
Speaker 1: all of you really did deserve each other. But they
Speaker 1: disinvited her to the picnic.
Speaker 2: The only reason why she had a job was because
Speaker 2: she had pushed herself forward as one of the quote
Speaker 2: good ones, and now she don't even have that. Black
Speaker 2: people don'e wrote her off. Of course, at least a
Speaker 2: decade ago. There's like two you know, maybe she like
Speaker 2: the three or five conservative black people might care about her,
Speaker 2: but who gives a fuck about them?
Speaker 1: Well, and maybe the family own her payroll maybe, but
Speaker 1: yeah who bye, but bye yea. I mean, it's funny.
Speaker 1: It's because, yeah, oh my, you went too far for
Speaker 1: Ben Shapiro.
Speaker 2: I will say to coonface oslat the same thing I
Speaker 2: say to my kids students when they repeatedly do something
Speaker 2: that I tell them not to do, and then the
Speaker 2: thing that I say is going to happen happens. I'm
Speaker 2: glad that happened to you, and I hope it hurts.
Speaker 1: It's interesting that what got her in trouble is kind
Speaker 1: of it's kind of liberals beating that drune, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: some not all, but some beating the whole genocide all that.
Speaker 1: It's again a way more complicated and longer running than
Speaker 1: I am ever going to comment.
Speaker 2: On exactly, but of course she did.
Speaker 1: But it's just interesting which side she fell on. She
Speaker 1: didn't look up and go, wait a minute, Ben Shapiera's
Speaker 1: are you I have no principles or scruples? Is this
Speaker 1: really what I want to say? Because I don't care
Speaker 1: what I say about people, it doesn't have to be true.
Speaker 1: I usually go for the most controversial bullshit I can spew.
Speaker 1: So what the hell? This is weird?
Speaker 2: But good for bye bye?
Speaker 1: Yep see, Yeah, I think it's funny. I think it's funny.
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Speaker 2: So, as I mentioned earlier, you know, Beyonce dropped the
Speaker 2: Cowboy Carter album.
Speaker 1: Heads are exploding.
Speaker 2: Yes, And someone brought this up earlier today and I
Speaker 2: can't hope but agree it's Beyonce's fan base needs to
Speaker 2: calm down. It's not even the fan base, it's everyone's
Speaker 2: reaction to when a Beyonce album comes out, the best
Speaker 2: thing that's ever happened and the world has shifted on
Speaker 2: its axis. Those are the fans, right, or it's the
Speaker 2: worst thing that's ever happened and we're all going to
Speaker 2: hell because of Beyonce. You know, whatever happened just liking shit?
Speaker 2: But anyway, so everyone.
Speaker 1: That's the title of this whatever happened to?
Speaker 2: Right, So everyone is trying to analyze the symbolism of
Speaker 2: the album cover because it's you know, it's beyond now
Speaker 2: we care about the symbolism of the American flag.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Suddenly it's Beyonce on our white horse and she's wearing red,
Speaker 2: white and blue jumpsuit. How dare wearing a cowboy hat
Speaker 2: and a sash that says cowboy carter And she's carrying
Speaker 2: the America, a big American flag.
Speaker 1: No way.
Speaker 2: And so people are like, well, the way the photo
Speaker 2: was cropped, you don't see the blue and the white stars.
Speaker 2: You just see the red and white stripes. What does
Speaker 2: that mean? And the back leg of the horse is
Speaker 2: bent this way? So does that mean that. I'm like,
Speaker 2: if y'all don't calm the fuck.
Speaker 1: I assume it means she's taking us back to Civil War.
Speaker 2: I'm like, it's a country album in country is an
Speaker 2: American art form, and black people were integral in the
Speaker 2: formation of a genre. There I summed it up for you'll.
Speaker 1: How about that? And she has a right to the
Speaker 1: American flag exactly. We fly the American flag just above
Speaker 1: the Progress Pride flag. You're at our house, yep, because
Speaker 1: we have a right to both, you motherfuckers. If it
Speaker 1: was I don't know Travis Tritt or somebody ain't, nobody
Speaker 1: would be saying shit go market like they did with
Speaker 1: I don't know Lee Greenwood. But let a black woman
Speaker 1: ride a horse and carry an American flag, right and
Speaker 1: just the cock on that horse alone is enough to
Speaker 1: send them into a.
Speaker 2: Friend one thing that was cracking me up.
Speaker 1: So I don't even know if it's a male horse.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying there must be symbolism.
Speaker 2: One of the tracks on the album is a reworking
Speaker 2: of Dolly Parton's Joline You Said, And one thing I
Speaker 2: love about it is, you know, in the original, the
Speaker 2: Dolly Parton version, she's begging Joelina to take her man.
Speaker 1: She is.
Speaker 2: That's how the song is written, right, and Beyonce is like,
Speaker 2: you know, why don't you choose a safer activity than
Speaker 2: trying to take my man?
Speaker 1: Its rewritten for modern times, which Dolly is clearly fine with.
Speaker 2: I saw a clip that resurfaced. I'm not even sure
Speaker 2: how long ago the clip was from, but it was
Speaker 2: Dolly saying that she hoped that one day Beyonce would
Speaker 2: decide to cover Joelne because she would love to hear it.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, well, look at you getting
Speaker 2: your wish.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Dolly evolves.
Speaker 2: Not to mention the fact that, you know, if that happens,
Speaker 2: which it did, she's going to get how much money
Speaker 2: and royalties for songwriting.
Speaker 1: Well, but if we're gonna, if we're gonna keep condemning wokeism,
Speaker 1: we have to start condemning Dolly Parton exactly.
Speaker 2: And no one's gonna do that.
Speaker 1: Well, but they might. I don't know how long are
Speaker 1: we gonna embrace crazy before we return to sanity. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure.
Speaker 2: But the thing that cracks me up the most about
Speaker 2: that particular clip is people are like, how come she
Speaker 2: didn't say that about Taylor Swift? Why'd you have to
Speaker 2: go pick Fyance? Why not Taylor Swift.
Speaker 1: It's like she could do both if she wants to, exactly,
Speaker 1: but it's like Taylor probably didn't ask her yet.
Speaker 2: It all happened when Beyonce did the halftime show with
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl and she did formation and had everybody
Speaker 2: dressed like black panthers. And that's when all these babity
Speaker 2: Bobby Pumpkins spice Latte white bitches realized that Beyonce a
Speaker 2: actually is black and be knows she is and she
Speaker 2: enjoys that fact, and it broke white people. People have
Speaker 2: been hating on Beyonce hardcore since then.
Speaker 1: White people have been broken for quite some time now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they are not okay with the idea that they don't
Speaker 1: run the world or they won't run the world forever.
Speaker 1: I'll even say that because they have. And that's the problem.
Speaker 2: Even if white people aren't running the world, whiteness is.
Speaker 1: So it's the same thing, well not necessarily people who
Speaker 1: embrace white whiteness.
Speaker 2: How about that and non white people that embrace white.
Speaker 1: And non white people who embrace it as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but once anti whiteness takes over.
Speaker 1: Well it's not an either or, it's a and and right.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean white people can embrace anti whiteness.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just like saying women can't be in charge
Speaker 1: because there could be hormonal imbalances. And it's like, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: every war ever was started by men, that part, remember, yep,
Speaker 1: So how would we be like really?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Really, I mean that was the biggest joke about trying
Speaker 1: to paint Hillary Clinton as a warmonger. What right, But
Speaker 1: like y'all ain't.
Speaker 2: Y'all, thank you, thank you, so all that to say.
Speaker 1: Like, it wouldn't a waite Man who said weapons and
Speaker 1: mass destruction where there weren't any exactly, and they got
Speaker 1: Colin Powell to agree. That's another conversation.
Speaker 2: But I'm just saying so all that to say, you know,
Speaker 2: I love the Beyonce album. I love Cowboy Carti. It's
Speaker 2: a really good album. But you know, it's okay to
Speaker 2: just like something without having to make it your personality.
Speaker 1: That'd be great, you know, that'd be great.
Speaker 2: It's okay to not like something without making it your personality.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, just call them the fuck down. Wow.
Speaker 1: That should be on a.
Speaker 2: T shirt Calm the fuck down.
Speaker 1: It probably is, but it really should be.
Speaker 4: You Know.
Speaker 1: What I loved was that the recent T shirt I
Speaker 1: saw that said dictum.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: When you act like a dick and then act like
Speaker 1: a victim, you're a dictum dictum. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: and everything everywhere all at once. This tickled me. We
Speaker 2: talked before on the show about the gay furry hackers
Speaker 2: who call themselves sieged sec. I just love saying gay
Speaker 2: furry hackers. That just makes me all warm and fuzzy inside.
Speaker 2: They hacked into the far right media outlet known as
Speaker 2: Real America's Voice and publicly released the cell phone number
Speaker 2: of a transphobia pastor, and they also included the names
Speaker 2: and phone numbers of over twelve hundred years of the
Speaker 2: outlet's phone app, as well as information about the network's
Speaker 2: top shows, including ones hosted by anti LGBTQ plus, Turning
Speaker 2: Point USA founder Charlie Kirk and other far right figures.
Speaker 2: Apparently Real America's Voice I never heard of it had
Speaker 2: broadcasted numerous segments accusing the LGBTQ plus community of targeting
Speaker 2: and grooming children. You know that, old chestnut, and these
Speaker 2: people are coming for them, and I love that. It's like,
Speaker 2: you know what, look, your actions have repercussions, and they
Speaker 2: don't always look like what you think they will. And
Speaker 2: queer people are nothing if not innovative and smart and creative.
Speaker 2: And I would stop fucking with us if I was you.
Speaker 2: You know, That's all I got to say about that.
Speaker 2: Don't don't piss off the We have a sign hanging
Speaker 2: up in our house that says, don't piss off the fairies.
Speaker 2: It's a model to live, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So to my gay furry hacker peeps out there, you're
Speaker 2: doing the Lord's work.
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Speaker 1: and the roller Coaster that his Mother's Day. Wrote Roger Crone,
Speaker 1: president and CEO of Scouting America come twenty twenty five,
Speaker 1: who described the organization as a welcoming, safe environment where
Speaker 1: youth can become the best version of themselves. This will
Speaker 1: be a simple but very important evolution as we seek
Speaker 1: to ensure that everyone feels welcome in Scouting. They have
Speaker 1: implemented significant changes to their membership requirements over the past decade.
Speaker 1: You know, from nineteen seventy eight, which is when I
Speaker 1: was a Scout, LGBTQ plus youth and adults alike were
Speaker 1: formally banned from the organization, a practice which only ended
Speaker 1: in twenty fourteen for youth and twenty fifteen for adult members.
Speaker 1: It's not the openly gay ones we ever had to
Speaker 1: worry about, exactly. I digress Separately. The BS also managed
Speaker 1: to conceal serial sexual abuse allegations against numerous adult leaders
Speaker 1: for nearly a century before becoming the target of multiple
Speaker 1: lawsuits in the past twenty years. BSA leadership filed for
Speaker 1: bankruptcy in twenty twenty, and in twenty twenty two a
Speaker 1: federal bankruptcy court allowed the organization to establish a two
Speaker 1: plus billion dollars settlement fund to compensate victims and allow
Speaker 1: the organization to continue operations. The rebrand distances in the
Speaker 1: organization from their checkered history while emphasizing their new more
Speaker 1: gender expansive to recruitment. Nobody wants to come here, so
Speaker 1: let's open it up. Which is gonna happen with the
Speaker 1: churches as we watch? In this week's press release, leaders
Speaker 1: asserted that over six thousand girls have now earned their
Speaker 1: Eagle Scout badges, the organization's highest official rank. Although their
Speaker 1: official stance now welcomes transgender youth, it may take more
Speaker 1: time for individual troops to catch up, of course. In
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, a trans fourteen year old said she
Speaker 1: was kicked out of the troop after she came out
Speaker 1: because there was no all girls troop for her to join. Instead,
Speaker 1: quote it was very upsetting. I remember seeing my mom crying.
Speaker 1: That was like family to us, because when you were
Speaker 1: with the troop for so long, you are family. Yeah,
Speaker 1: until you're not much like the church. Huh. So you
Speaker 1: want to summarize why that's in good news?
Speaker 2: I mean, isn't it?
Speaker 1: I inclusivity, here's hoping.
Speaker 2: I mean because the gender nature of it is what
Speaker 2: I didn't like about it because I didn't have a
Speaker 2: choice in joining Cub Scouts. I was put into it.
Speaker 2: It was a method to butcher me up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's uh.
Speaker 2: Huh so I could play with other boys instead of
Speaker 2: playing with the girls.
Speaker 1: Same and I wanted to be a Brownie. I did.
Speaker 1: My girlfriends were Brownies at the time. They were like
Speaker 1: showing me Cub Scouts, and that's what I wanted to be.
Speaker 1: Even though I hated the uniform, I still that's.
Speaker 2: What I didn't want to be a brown I didn't
Speaker 2: want to fucking be a Cub Scout. I want to
Speaker 2: be left the fuck alone.
Speaker 1: But that wasn't exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I guess I guess like whatever I was doing,
Speaker 2: I wasn't doing it right.
Speaker 1: You know, because my very Catholic friend who was quoting
Speaker 1: on it like you don't hold her. Yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 1: because this sounds like a very Catholic thing to do.
Speaker 1: Although they haven't capitulated yet, but they will.
Speaker 2: Every cub Scout troop that I've ever seen operates out
Speaker 2: of a church, including.
Speaker 1: Well they in the space of but usually the basement
Speaker 1: or whatever. So do AA meetings. That doesn't mean a thing,
Speaker 1: that's true. I mean, you know where they happen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's more the molestation. It's a problem, the diddling of it,
Speaker 1: all right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No cub Scout master ever diddled me. There were
Speaker 2: other cub Scouts. I wanted to do it, but that's
Speaker 2: a different thing.
Speaker 4: I was.
Speaker 1: That is entirely different. I don't I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't I would. I didn't do it long enough to know,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And we had a we
Speaker 1: had like a a married couple where she was like
Speaker 1: the dead mother of the you know, younger kids, and
Speaker 1: then he was the scout leader for the older kids.
Speaker 1: And they were they were nice, and I don't think
Speaker 1: anyone got diddled, and you know, while they were in charge.
Speaker 1: I mean my immediately I was just I was just angry.
Speaker 1: I was there.
Speaker 2: We had den mothers.
Speaker 1: We didn't have scouts, right they that comes later, That
Speaker 1: comes a little bit later, because I know I was
Speaker 1: never a boy scout. I was a wee below as
Speaker 1: I got, which is ironic. Yeah, with the plaid scarf
Speaker 1: like I know we do. Yeah, I got that far.
Speaker 1: And that was when we started doing camping trips and stuff.
Speaker 2: We did one camping trip and it was enough for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's where that starts and we blows, we
Speaker 1: blows whatever whatever, And you know that was the dad
Speaker 1: of one of the kids, was that I just hated
Speaker 1: it all. Yeah, I was surly about it.
Speaker 2: I was you know, there was nothing about it that
Speaker 2: I liked. Hanging with other boys, wearing clothes I didn't
Speaker 2: want to wear, being outside doing things.
Speaker 1: Fuck that exactly. It was exactly exactly. None of this
Speaker 1: was fun, not a bit of it. But at least
Speaker 1: now I guess this apparently they're expanding.
Speaker 2: When I was hanging with the girls playing double Dutch,
Speaker 2: I was happy, but apparently I wasn't allowed to be
Speaker 2: fucking happy, right right, And then you know, I was like, well,
Speaker 2: you have you get these patches if you do these things,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, well, I like things. I like accolade.
Speaker 2: So I did the things, and of course it took
Speaker 2: them forever to get their shit together to give me
Speaker 2: my patches. So then I was mad.
Speaker 1: See the patches didn't really coordinate with one another, so
Speaker 1: I wasn't happy about that either.
Speaker 2: Well, you know I have that nerd collector things.
Speaker 1: Well, that's fair, that's fair. You have different esthetics.
Speaker 2: You get your Bobcat badge, then you get your wolf badge,
Speaker 2: then you get your bear badge, then you get your
Speaker 2: we blow badge, and it makes the little diamond shape
Speaker 2: when all the patches are there, and I wanted to
Speaker 2: have my complete diamond. Dammit.
Speaker 1: I endure the fact that there's a bear badge.
Speaker 2: I know. And yeah, because Coup Scouts has this strange
Speaker 2: correlation with Jungle.
Speaker 1: Book hmmm, I had never thought of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the whole thing is odd.
Speaker 1: Actually it's male bonding, I guess, which you know in
Speaker 1: my experience.
Speaker 2: Well, and then we blow.
Speaker 1: It's a coupling than bonder.
Speaker 2: It's supposed to be short for will be Loyal Scouts.
Speaker 2: Well that doesn't even make sense.
Speaker 1: It's no really that I thought it was like a
Speaker 1: Native American word, we blow meant something.
Speaker 2: I thought that might have been like the thing that
Speaker 2: they told us that we will remember.
Speaker 1: I think they wanted to say we blow. That's what
Speaker 1: I think they wanted. So I didn't get that either.
Speaker 2: See, all their promises went unfulfilled.
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Speaker 1: The pain in the as new dogs and the sun
Speaker 1: is shining. The birds are singing, the queers are queering.
Speaker 1: God news, God News.
Speaker 2: I've been brushing up on my Pride flags and learning
Speaker 2: what the different color combinations.
Speaker 1: Because I bought a case of varied flags. Yes, I
Speaker 1: didn't even know what all.
Speaker 2: Of them were, and people, what's that one mean? And
Speaker 2: I'm able to be like, that's the non binary flag,
Speaker 2: that's the pen sexual flag. That is the asexual flag,
Speaker 2: to which you said, I was.
Speaker 1: A little surprised there was an asexual flag. I thought
Speaker 1: they didn't want the attention. But that's probably wrong of
Speaker 1: me to say, I'm just got my only excentense.
Speaker 2: What are you looking at? And why?
Speaker 1: I am really tired? And I didn't know that there
Speaker 1: was a flag. I thought there was. I mean, there
Speaker 1: is a letter, so why not a flag?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Why not? I don't I begrudge no one in their
Speaker 1: flag exactly. I mean none, yeah, but it was just
Speaker 1: I found cases of flags because they were really fun
Speaker 1: to give out for the parade.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was always fun to see who took what flag.
Speaker 1: Right now, some people just take the one you hand them, right.
Speaker 2: The bisexual flags were very popular, Like people were like,
Speaker 2: do you have a bisexual flag, to which I was like, yes.
Speaker 1: I did. I am a by fan, I am that.
Speaker 1: And we ran out of trans flax, we did. Yeah,
Speaker 1: those were those went first, I know, we ran out
Speaker 1: of those. Yeah. So we last year we marched in
Speaker 1: the same parade, and it was even it was October,
Speaker 1: not even June because of the Canadian wildfire air quality.
Speaker 1: So and in October maybe we had three or four
Speaker 1: folks walking with us, right, and we had twenty five
Speaker 1: this time.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: It was like wow, wow, in less than a year,
Speaker 1: that's how things have developed. So it was really great.
Speaker 1: We had a good we had a great big group
Speaker 1: with us, and I had a good time. I did.
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm really exhausted. I hate when I only
Speaker 1: have one day off, I know, because I'm old and
Speaker 1: I like my three day weekend. I know, that's right.
Speaker 1: And one of the days always is, you know, filled
Speaker 1: with aarons and things, so but this is like all
Speaker 1: of it, right, So I feel like I'm fast forwardning
Speaker 1: through the day. I've been productive, right and yeah, and
Speaker 1: finally we were recording.
Speaker 2: Yes, hallelujah because we haven't forgotten y'all. I don't know
Speaker 2: our notes date back to god knows. Yeah, they're varied,
Speaker 2: but yeah, marching in the parade, it reminded me that
Speaker 2: a it was the first time in a very long
Speaker 2: time that I've marched in a Pride parade, and it
Speaker 2: reminded me of the first time. Well, no, the first
Speaker 2: time I marched in a Pride parade was when we
Speaker 2: a bunch of folks from the Attic we went up
Speaker 2: to New York Pride and we crashed the parade and
Speaker 2: marched with the Harvey Milk School.
Speaker 1: I love that story.
Speaker 2: Yes, And then I'm voguing down the street and looked
Speaker 2: to my right and there's Wilson Cruise and I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: I got But the first time I officially marched in
Speaker 2: a parade was for Temple Lambdam and that was the day.
Speaker 2: I was telling the story to a couple of the
Speaker 2: kids the other day. How that was the day I
Speaker 2: kind of accidentally came out to a good chunk of
Speaker 2: my familys because we're marching and I'm holding the banner
Speaker 2: for Temple Lambdallions. And what was the clip that the
Speaker 2: news chose to use for the story of Philadelphia Pride
Speaker 2: that day? But me holding the banner marching down the street?
Speaker 1: Huh.
Speaker 2: I saw you on TV today. You were in the
Speaker 2: parade and I was like, yeah, yeah, I was, yeah,
Speaker 2: fuck it, yes I was. I thought I was being slick.
Speaker 2: Apparently I was the opposite of that. Right.
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Speaker 1: On the last day of Pride, I ran very queer
Speaker 1: errands today. So there was a presidential debate, I hear.
Speaker 2: I didn't watch it.
Speaker 1: No, we did not watch it. And first of all,
Speaker 1: there is nothing that that convicted felon who damn near
Speaker 1: destroyed democracy can say that will sway my opinion. And frankly,
Speaker 1: there is nothing. I don't care if to. You know,
Speaker 1: everybody's talking about, well, maybe Joe didn't feel good, maybe
Speaker 1: he was tired, Maybe I don't give a fuck. I
Speaker 1: want you to think about being a decent human being
Speaker 1: who has dedicated your entire life to public service and
Speaker 1: having to even share a stage with that piece of
Speaker 1: garbage who was a joke well before they allegedly won
Speaker 1: an election. And I want you to take that in
Speaker 1: mind when you consider the amount of bile Joe was
Speaker 1: trying to choke on to even have to share a
Speaker 1: stage with I repeat that convicted felon. There's not a
Speaker 1: reason for me to watch these debates. I'm not entertained
Speaker 1: by it. I care about bodily autonomy. I care about,
Speaker 1: you know, the future of this country, and we won't
Speaker 1: have one. I don't want to contemplate what would happen
Speaker 1: under another Trump presidency, because he's damn near.
Speaker 2: You barely made it through the last one.
Speaker 1: Exactly exactly we wouldn't make it. Now you have empowered
Speaker 1: a dictator. So you know, the only thing I can
Speaker 1: say to every one of my white, privileged cis het friends,
Speaker 1: well former friends who voted for like Jill Stein out
Speaker 1: of some principle called missogyny that swung Pennsylvania to Trump
Speaker 1: and gave us Trump, I hope you've learned one goddamn
Speaker 1: thing from it.
Speaker 2: But they're still trying that ship. Now. I'm talking about
Speaker 2: how don't.
Speaker 1: I don't. Yeah, I know what they're talking about. I can't.
Speaker 1: I won't let it on my spear. It's all horseshit.
Speaker 1: You know what, Molly Ivans wrote a column and I
Speaker 1: wish I could remember the person she was talking about,
Speaker 1: but here was the premise of the column, and you
Speaker 1: can look it up. We don't vote for that one
Speaker 1: person at the top. We vote for the literal thousands
Speaker 1: of people they hire, the thousands of people who actually
Speaker 1: run our government. I will hand that once again, thank
Speaker 1: you to the Democrats, because I want to have a
Speaker 1: country when we're done, and I want experts in charge
Speaker 1: of the fields that they are in charge of. I
Speaker 1: want x unlike the Supreme Court right now because Trump,
Speaker 1: but I want, you know, people who know something about
Speaker 1: water quality to be in charge of the EPA, you know,
Speaker 1: and air quality. And I want people dedicated to that
Speaker 1: as a science and a field of study, who have
Speaker 1: spent their lifetime understanding it, not hacks, not a bunch
Speaker 1: of religious backwater hacks. I'm sorry. And if that makes
Speaker 1: me sound elitist, I'm not. Dear God. I have a
Speaker 1: trans riddled education and resume, but I know enough to
Speaker 1: know I really want smart people in charge. If that
Speaker 1: makes you sound, I don't give a why, I know,
Speaker 1: but I don't give a fog about you know, that's
Speaker 1: who I'm voting. That's what I'm voting for. And frankly,
Speaker 1: I like Kamala and she'll be fine if something happens
Speaker 1: to Joe. But Joe Biden has led a very decent,
Speaker 1: principled life perfect No part of.
Speaker 2: You know who among us is right?
Speaker 1: You know, is he my ideal, ideal candidate in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four? He is not. But but there it's the
Speaker 1: choice between oh my god, what It's the choice between
Speaker 1: stubbing your toe and being caught up by a chainsaw,
Speaker 1: choice between you know, wondering what's gonna happen and ceasing
Speaker 1: to exist. I mean, like, for me, it's that black.
Speaker 2: I have lost all patients for people like I'm like,
Speaker 2: I don't give a fuck about your little I don't
Speaker 2: want to vote for him. I want to vote third party.
Speaker 2: Fuck you and your third part.
Speaker 1: What abautism is such a privilege exactly, And I'm going
Speaker 1: to vote my principles such a privilege. You know what
Speaker 1: My principle is survival. Right, there's already one state in
Speaker 1: the Union where I do not feel safe going, even
Speaker 1: though I have loved ones there, and that is Florida,
Speaker 1: and I don't want more of it exactly, I don't
Speaker 1: want any more of this nonsense. I want it beaten back.
Speaker 1: I do so that we can all coexist in the
Speaker 1: America I was born into and the America I was promised.
Speaker 2: Right yeah, if, like you know, I don't want to
Speaker 2: hear your little whiny bullshit every four years, acting like
Speaker 2: you give a shit about who does what win and
Speaker 2: where When you could have had this energy like so
Speaker 2: long ago and maybe then your little third party would
Speaker 2: have a chance. But right now is not the time
Speaker 2: quitcha bitchin and act like you have some goddamn sense And.
Speaker 1: Put another way, I mean, I have respect for those
Speaker 1: who are understand and are working to build third parties
Speaker 1: from the grassroots.
Speaker 2: Yes, and those are the ones that you should put
Speaker 2: your energy into. But because that could be then we
Speaker 2: could have a conversation later on.
Speaker 1: Every one of the ones I know personally are voting
Speaker 1: for Joe Biden.
Speaker 2: Right right, It's called grassroots for a reason. You gotta
Speaker 2: water that shit and nurture it so that when it
Speaker 2: grows into something that is viable, then we can have
Speaker 2: that conversation. Yeah, once every four years is not the time.
Speaker 1: Let's let the Republican Party implode. Let's let three other parties,
Speaker 1: six other parties come into play. Fine, but right now
Speaker 1: is not the time, you know, And and they say, well,
Speaker 1: when is the time? Well, when we're talking about democracy
Speaker 1: versus democracy? I mean, when I was a child, a version,
Speaker 1: you know it was, it was a slightly different way
Speaker 1: to view it all with the same endgame in mind.
Speaker 1: And you know, forgive me for always using this example,
Speaker 1: but fucking Richard Nixon signed the Clean Air Act and
Speaker 1: the Clean Water Act because when I was a child
Speaker 1: in the early seventies and the Republicans and Democrats looked
Speaker 1: up at the sky and looked out at the oceans,
Speaker 1: they said, that is pollution and we have to do
Speaker 1: something about it. The Republican Party of today is saying,
Speaker 1: you're going to believe us? Are your lying eyes? Are
Speaker 1: you going to be believe us? Are science?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: So we can keep I don't know, feeding billionaires who
Speaker 1: feed us, rather than understand the fact that if we
Speaker 1: don't have a planet, we don't have a we don't
Speaker 1: have a discussion.
Speaker 2: Right, people need to stop acting like this election is
Speaker 2: the same as when shit was normal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this shit is not normal. Donald Trump even being
Speaker 1: spoken of as a serious political candidate is not normal. Nope,
Speaker 1: not normal.
Speaker 2: Nope.
Speaker 1: And you know, I grew up among blue collar Republicans.
Speaker 1: I did. This town, this place where I grew up
Speaker 1: was and it was that sense of leave us alone.
Speaker 1: It was that, I guess, sort of libertarian thing, except
Speaker 1: they did believe that, you know, the roads should be
Speaker 1: paved because but it was never this the religious fringe
Speaker 1: was just that they were a fringe that had to
Speaker 1: be beaten back to and kept at bay because they
Speaker 1: were never going to be the best of us. You know,
Speaker 1: anybody who wants prayer in public school is not representing
Speaker 1: the best of us, the representing their own nonsense.
Speaker 2: And now they don't even believe in the teachings of
Speaker 2: Jesus anymore. That Jesus is nothing but liberal talking points week.
Speaker 1: That is something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is what they're saying now.
Speaker 1: That Jesus really.
Speaker 2: Yes, so we asked about the teachings of Jesus and
Speaker 2: what about judge not lest will you be judged? And
Speaker 2: love your love. Everyone is yourself and you know the
Speaker 2: beatitudes and all that. Oh, that's just liberal talking points.
Speaker 2: That wouldn't fly today. That's weak.
Speaker 1: So I want to know what do they call themselves then?
Speaker 1: Because Christian? Thank you, literally based on the idea of
Speaker 1: say it Christ, that would that was Jesus of Nazareus.
Speaker 1: That was that whole story and the entire all of
Speaker 1: Christianity is based on the belief that this person walked
Speaker 1: around and these were the principles that he espouls. How
Speaker 1: do you how do you separate from them and still
Speaker 1: call yourself a Christian? You're not right now, that's somebody.
Speaker 1: You're a fascist.
Speaker 2: Now they're preacher from the Book of Nah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're a fascist. You're you're following a dictator. You've
Speaker 1: abandoned all principle. I mean, that's true. Apparently that's true because,
Speaker 1: and that's what I'm saying above all else, folks were
Speaker 1: fair minded. They might not have agreed with each other,
Speaker 1: but they came to a consensus and there was a
Speaker 1: civility to it. Now, was it a racist civility? Maybe?
Speaker 2: Well maybe I'm not.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not here to argue that point, but
Speaker 1: I am saying it was a different kind of consensus.
Speaker 1: And throughout the sixties we did have the civil rights movement.
Speaker 1: You know, it wasn't the bill and it wasn't over.
Speaker 1: But Nixon was the backlash from the sixties. Right, let's
Speaker 1: put a Republican in here for balance, I guess, you know.
Speaker 1: And it wasn't until Reagan that we embraced the moral
Speaker 1: alleged moral majority and said, hey, we need those religious
Speaker 1: nuts to win. And so for most of my life,
Speaker 1: since you know, nineteen eighty, it's it's been this growing Yeah,
Speaker 1: and now you know, the public discourse is broken.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I won't be watching these debates because there's
Speaker 1: nothing that will change my mind. I don't care if
Speaker 1: Joe's on a ventilator. I really don't, because again, I'm
Speaker 1: voting for all the people that he will hire, that
Speaker 1: hit the party will hire, that Kamala will insist on,
Speaker 1: Like I'm voting for that, not the garbage, not the garbage.
Speaker 1: When we had a president who couldn't even fill cabinet seats,
Speaker 1: who had basically no state department.
Speaker 2: Because he fired everybody that would disagree with him.
Speaker 1: Because they either fired him or there was no one
Speaker 1: decent and balanced and principled left to hire nobody, Nobody
Speaker 1: like that wanted to work for that jackass. None of them,
Speaker 1: the ones that worked for him were crap. They were
Speaker 1: crap that didn't get much of a chance before for
Speaker 1: the most part. And suddenly you know, Okay, I can
Speaker 1: be something. And he doesn't even believe in that shit.
Speaker 1: He's not a conservative, he never was. He's an opportunist.
Speaker 1: He's just an opportunist. These are not deeply held beliefs.
Speaker 1: These are talking points meant to like, you know, play
Speaker 1: kate y'all that are play capable.
Speaker 2: How can he have fundamental beliefs when he never actually
Speaker 2: finishes a sentence you've heard him speak.
Speaker 1: Well, it's gotten worse and worse and worse and worse.
Speaker 1: And I will not I couldn't watch it before, I
Speaker 1: won't watch it now exactly. You know, that's that's the
Speaker 1: place I get to. I'm not going to sit in
Speaker 1: quarterback this shit. It's bullshit. He belonged in jail. He
Speaker 1: does not belong in the public discourse at all. He
Speaker 1: does not belong on our ballot. And it's it's a disgrace.
Speaker 1: And you know, I am holding my breath and believing in,
Speaker 1: you know, the smaller elections that we have watched since
Speaker 1: they fucked over, you know, ri v Wade. I'm watching
Speaker 1: those smaller elections that they keep losing. I'm watching those
Speaker 1: constitutional amendments that do not pass, and I'm saying, I
Speaker 1: hope to God we've learned something so that we save democracy,
Speaker 1: because I'm not sure what happens if that Jack Guess
Speaker 1: gets in again. I'm just I can't. I cannot think
Speaker 1: that far into I can't. It's so absurd. I don't
Speaker 1: want to talk about it. I don't want to talk
Speaker 1: about it because.
Speaker 2: I don't know where I'll live, someplace that speaks French.
Speaker 1: Well, I you know, I don't know where, because you know,
Speaker 1: this anti trans sentimate has gained traction in other places too,
Speaker 1: So places where I was safe five years ago, I'm
Speaker 1: not now, and I'm paying attention.
Speaker 2: Well, if you'll notice this is someplace that speaks French
Speaker 2: but did not say France anyway.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's it. I know that a lot
Speaker 1: of people are terrified. And you know, my best advice
Speaker 1: right now is vote blue. Yeah, make sure you're registered,
Speaker 1: Register as many people as you can, and you know,
Speaker 1: let's keep sorting this out. But we can't with an incompetent, greedy, lying,
Speaker 1: hypocritical piece of excrement in the White House. We can't.
Speaker 1: We can't do that. Yeah, And that's really the choice
Speaker 1: could not be more stark. You don't want to be
Speaker 1: a Democrat, fine, keep working on third party ship. But
Speaker 1: if you are an LG beat, if you're an wearing
Speaker 1: liziabet Tekwa like, think about right, think about your third
Speaker 1: party principles, and think about whether you like living right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I'm not trying to say I know, I
Speaker 2: was very passionate a minute ago. I'm not saying there's
Speaker 2: anything wrong with the third parties. In fact, there we need,
Speaker 2: we need that, but now is not the time to
Speaker 2: be standing ten toes in that right.
Speaker 1: And we said that when it was you know, when
Speaker 1: Hillary it was you know, when she was on the
Speaker 1: ballot and people were the misogyny bubbled up again. And
Speaker 1: I remember saying, you know, when it was Barack and
Speaker 1: Hillary in the primary. So we're about to find out
Speaker 1: what America is less afraid of, Yeah, black man or
Speaker 1: a white woman. Turns out they were more afraid of
Speaker 1: the more highly qualified white woman.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And still in twenty sixteen. Yeah, so you can't tell
Speaker 1: me that shit doesn't run deep among liberals. That runs deep.
Speaker 1: Well there, you know you want to thank who act
Speaker 1: actually brought us Trump? Thank a liberal Thanka Butter emails liberal.
Speaker 1: So maybe don't fuck up like that again, and we'll
Speaker 1: all be better off for it, or at least not
Speaker 1: worse shoe. Well, I know, but we are actually better off.
Speaker 1: We've sprung from twenty sixteen to a much stronger economy,
Speaker 1: to like a much better direction. Let's keep going in it.
Speaker 1: Not in red states, clearly, but you know they're they're
Speaker 1: not the ones I'm talking to. I am talking to Pennsylvania, though,
Speaker 1: I am you. I spent thirty five years there and
Speaker 1: all of those people who told me I'd be okay
Speaker 1: are gone. Yeahs, thanks for having my back, fellas, appreciate it.
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Speaker 1: and the Fight for Democracy. As we've briefly knew her,
Speaker 1: Mosca is back in the news. Chaw. So, first of all,
Speaker 1: can I just say I'm in love with his trans daughter? Yep,
Speaker 1: I love her, But you continue, we'll get to that.
Speaker 2: So, because California is too supportive of trans youth ray,
Speaker 2: he's moving his space X and Twitter. I mean X
Speaker 2: to Texas bye, exactly, like, don't threaten me with a
Speaker 2: good time. This is not an airport.
Speaker 1: No, those two things meant nothing together. This's not an airport.
Speaker 1: You don't have to announce your departure exactly, don't threaten
Speaker 1: me with a good time. To completely separate.
Speaker 2: Sentences, Yes, but I meant them both.
Speaker 1: Okay, but it sounded like you were tapping your foot
Speaker 1: at the airport. I don't know. I'm like, what, sorry,
Speaker 1: period space, don't threaten me with a good time. This
Speaker 1: is not an airport. In my head, what do I
Speaker 1: not know about your time spent with a driver's license?
Speaker 1: Do we have to talk about something?
Speaker 2: No, it was two zebra statements.
Speaker 1: But it wasn't, which is why I stopped.
Speaker 2: Who was intended as two zebra's statements?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: Oh fuck.
Speaker 1: Oh show. Musk made comments about his transdorter and her
Speaker 1: trans identity right on social media and in an interview
Speaker 1: that was posted online. Musk said she was not a
Speaker 1: girl and was figuratively dead, and he alleged that he
Speaker 1: had been tricked into authorizing trans related medical treatment for
Speaker 1: her when she was sixteen. She he has, of course
Speaker 1: denied that he was tricked. She said, initially he did hesitate,
Speaker 1: but he knew what he was doing when he agreed
Speaker 1: to her treatments, which required consent from parents, despite what
Speaker 1: folks were saying about that kind of treatment. But she said,
Speaker 1: you know, ultimately he did know what he was doing.
Speaker 1: And all this other narrative is you come after the fact.
Speaker 1: According to her, one of Musk's most derided posts, a
Speaker 1: reply to the anti trans organization Gays against Groomers, attributing
Speaker 1: her gender dysphoria to being born gay and slightly autistic,
Speaker 1: was crammed full of false statements about her childhood. Musk's
Speaker 1: claims that she exhibited stereotypically gay traits at age four,
Speaker 1: like a love for musicals and fabulous jackets, Wilson wrote,
Speaker 1: or entirely fake, Like literally none of this ever happened.
Speaker 1: She wrote, at four years old, she did not know
Speaker 1: the word fabulous and had no idea what a musical was.
Speaker 1: She counted because she was fucking four, right. My best
Speaker 1: gass is that he went to the Miloanapolis School of
Speaker 1: Gay Stereotypes, just picked some at random and said, eh,
Speaker 1: good enough. She added, referencing the disgrace for a r
Speaker 1: propagandist and one time campaign manager for Kanya West Musk's
Speaker 1: pity party, she said felt like a last ditch attempt
Speaker 1: to garner sympathy points when he is so obviously in
Speaker 1: the wrong, even in his own fucking story. I love
Speaker 1: this kid, she gives no fox. She called him an
Speaker 1: absentee father who relentlessly harassed her for displaying femininity on
Speaker 1: the occasions he was actually present. Obviously you can't say that,
Speaker 1: So I've been reduced to a happy little stereotype faggoting
Speaker 1: along to use at his discretion. That's what I have
Speaker 1: to assume. That meant there's asterisks and dashes. I think
Speaker 1: that says a lot about how he views queer people
Speaker 1: and children in general. She finished her thread with a
Speaker 1: dismissive call for Musk and his pick me accolytes to
Speaker 1: go touch some fucking grass.
Speaker 2: Get them. I know.
Speaker 1: She changed her name in twenty twenty two to rebuke
Speaker 1: her estranged father. Quote. I no longer live with or
Speaker 1: wish to be related to my biological father in any way,
Speaker 1: shape or form, she wrote at the time. On Thursday,
Speaker 1: she further clarified her version of events in another Threads post,
Speaker 1: stating that I disowned him, not the other way around. Truth.
Speaker 1: She referred to Musk in that post by the name
Speaker 1: Adrian Dittman, which some believe is actually one of Musk's
Speaker 1: own sock puppet accounts on Twitter. Wow, you know I
Speaker 1: love this kid, right, I love this kid.
Speaker 2: Well, you know how he said that she was killed
Speaker 2: by the woke mind virus. Yeah, so she responded with
Speaker 2: a tweet.
Speaker 1: Oh, this is the delicious part.
Speaker 2: I look pretty good for a dead bitch, which is
Speaker 2: a reference to Morgan Michaels from Drag Race.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because there was a rumor that Morgan Michaels was
Speaker 2: dead and that was pervasive, and this was on Twitter,
Speaker 2: and when she was on All Stars three, I guess
Speaker 2: that was her her entrance line. I looked pretty good
Speaker 2: for a dead bitch. Just further leaning into the fagotry,
Speaker 2: the alleged faggotry, right right, I love this kid.
Speaker 1: Right, I mean the actual tweet that I read to you.
Speaker 2: Yes, First of all, I want to point out we
Speaker 2: were saying the words tweet. But this is all on her.
Speaker 2: Her portion of this debate is all on Threads. Use
Speaker 2: the anti Twitter or x so, she says, as for
Speaker 2: if I'm not a woman, sure, jan whatever, whatever, whatever
Speaker 2: you said, It was my favorite part, whatever you say.
Speaker 2: I'm legally recognized as a woman in the state of California,
Speaker 2: and I don't concern myself with the opinions of those
Speaker 2: who are below me. Obviously, Elon can't say the same, because,
Speaker 2: in a ketamine fueled haze, he's desperate for attention and
Speaker 2: validation from an army of degenerate, red pilled end cells
Speaker 2: and pick me's who are quick to give it to him.
Speaker 2: Go touch some fucking grass.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, sparkle emoji. Yes, I love this kid.
Speaker 1: I love this kid. Yeah, I just hit like well,
Speaker 1: good good, because you should. This episode is brought to
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Speaker 1: San Diego has joined San Francisco and Santa Clara County
Speaker 1: in California declaring August to be Transgender History Month.
Speaker 2: Very cool.
Speaker 1: The proclamation honors the trans women who rioted at Compton's
Speaker 1: Cafeteria in August of nineteen sixty six. I was months old.
Speaker 1: I was I was months old. Quote this from I
Speaker 1: guess City council member Jennifer Campbell. With the rise in
Speaker 1: ana trans hate and bigotry, I want our trans community
Speaker 1: to know that I see you, I respect you, and
Speaker 1: I love you, as does this entire council. More importantly,
Speaker 1: our city honors and celebrates all of the wonderful contributions
Speaker 1: you have made to San Diego. Happy transgender history months. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's fun, I love it. Yeah. Yeah. So it was
Speaker 1: trans women who rioted at Gene Compton's cafeteria in the
Speaker 1: Tenderloin district of San Francisco, which of course predated the
Speaker 1: Stonewall riots by three years. A great documentary out there
Speaker 1: called Screaming Queens.
Speaker 2: I was just going to say, there's a documentary that
Speaker 2: we saw about it.
Speaker 1: From Susan Striker. Yeah, that was her work.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't mind seeing it again, Yes.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't neither. Compton's was habitually hostile to their transplientele,
Speaker 1: who were numerous in the red light district. Trans Patrons
Speaker 1: were subject to an extra service fee, and staff regularly
Speaker 1: called police to expel customers from the all hours diner.
Speaker 1: Police were frequently customers as well. Because trans women were
Speaker 1: easy targets for arrest for violations of the city's cross
Speaker 1: dressing prohibitions, buttons on the wrong side of a shirt
Speaker 1: could lead to a night behind bars. Wow tensions came
Speaker 1: to a head on a hot night in August after
Speaker 1: a Compton's worker called police claiming that some transgender customers
Speaker 1: had become raucous. A trans patron was harassed by a
Speaker 1: cop and threw a cup of coffee in his face.
Speaker 1: A riot broke out, with trans patron's overwhelming police and
Speaker 1: pushing them out of the cafeteria, smashing the diner's plate
Speaker 1: glass windows and shouting their defiance. A news stand outside
Speaker 1: the diner was burned to the ground and police vehicles
Speaker 1: were damaged. Dozens were arrested and cart it off to jail.
Speaker 1: The next day, protesters gathered again at Compton's, which denied
Speaker 1: them entry. They smashed the newly installed plate glass windows
Speaker 1: once again. Ha At the San Diego Council meeting, trans
Speaker 1: Family Support Services youth volunteer Blue London said remembering transistory
Speaker 1: as a connection to those heroic protesters quote by sharing
Speaker 1: the opportunity to learn about the stories of others who
Speaker 1: came before us, we make space to imagine futures of
Speaker 1: our own that we may not have seen if not
Speaker 1: for the preservation of our communities past. Yeah, as Republicans
Speaker 1: do their nonsense, Yeah, San diego right, And it.
Speaker 2: All comes down to you don't fuck with the girls,
Speaker 2: because I that's a lesson I learned just seeing, like
Speaker 2: I swear to god, I saw this one chick pull
Speaker 2: a ball peen hammer out of a clutch like fucking
Speaker 2: Mary Poppins. You don't fuck with the girl.
Speaker 1: Well, well, I mean when you have very little to
Speaker 1: lose in this world and you are marginalized to the
Speaker 1: point trans women were certainly back at that point in
Speaker 1: our history. Yeah, they led the charge. I mean this
Speaker 1: was really trans women who led the charge, and many
Speaker 1: were still alive and interviewed for that documentary. So I
Speaker 1: love it.
Speaker 2: And when you spend a good chunk of your waking
Speaker 2: time wishing a motherfucker would and then a motherfucker does.
Speaker 1: Right, I mean, you know we're talking about women who
Speaker 1: couldn't get jobs, and yeah, you know, yes they were
Speaker 1: sex workers gathering, Yes they were because that was the
Speaker 1: only avenue that very few Yeah, anything else to make
Speaker 1: money to support themselves to eat. Yeah even Yeah.
Speaker 2: That's why we call it survival sex work.
Speaker 1: And you know, we had something similar to Dewey's in Philadelphia, Yeah,
Speaker 1: which became where the queer's little piece. That was Little Pietz.
Speaker 1: But yeah, right before it closed, which it closed recently
Speaker 1: as Little PiZZ in the last what five years. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that was that was Dewey's and big queer population
Speaker 1: back in the day. It was still at Little PiZZ too,
Speaker 1: was gathered there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I knew Little Pets as a place that the
Speaker 2: gays went.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Midtown was just closer to where we usually
Speaker 1: ended the night, So that's why we all congregated at
Speaker 1: the Midtown.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Midtown is where more of mid queens went because
Speaker 2: that's you know, it was right on after the bars closed,
Speaker 2: that's where that's.
Speaker 1: Where we went. Yeah, it was right on Eleventh Street. Yes, yep, yep, yep, yep.
Speaker 2: After party at the Midtown, y'all.
Speaker 1: So many times, so many times we saw some stuff
Speaker 1: m breakfast at three am. There's nothing like that.
Speaker 2: It's true. I've only I had only been in that
Speaker 2: place in the daylight twice in my entire life.
Speaker 1: I know, I heard like that. I said it would
Speaker 1: be weird. I wouldn't know how to order like dinner
Speaker 1: at the Midtown like I guess people do.
Speaker 2: I mean, it was still breakfast time or lunch.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, but.
Speaker 2: It was just the sun was out, which was but.
Speaker 1: The sun, Yeah, in that place, it's kind of like what, yeah, what.
Speaker 2: It did feel strange?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, yeah it was. It was a three am
Speaker 1: kind of place. Breast and Juliani to Varis Juliani, Welcome
Speaker 1: to the Full Circle table so much.
Speaker 5: I'm so excited to be here with y'all again, thinking
Speaker 5: about theater in that larger sense of like storytelling in
Speaker 5: that ancient way, you know, for as long as we've
Speaker 5: been around, I think we've circled up and told stories
Speaker 5: and live in that way. And then of course education
Speaker 5: and that aspect of really pouring into education, which I think,
Speaker 5: you know, if we look at in the States, at
Speaker 5: least around us and probably in many countries, you know,
Speaker 5: it's it's but I know where I am, I'm like, there,
Speaker 5: could we need a lot more attention and funding and
Speaker 5: investing into education and the art and education for young people.
Speaker 6: It's such formative years.
Speaker 7: So yeah, I was just.
Speaker 1: Like, you're here, yeah, you remember going into schools and
Speaker 1: bringing art there. Do you remember that churls in the
Speaker 1: early nineties, Yeah, when there was money.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, back when they were when it.
Speaker 7: Was a little, when there was a crumb.
Speaker 5: And I remember right as a kid in public schools
Speaker 5: like those were, even if it was like a group
Speaker 5: that came in for a week and I never saw
Speaker 5: them again. Change my life, like change my life for sure.
Speaker 5: So I was honored to be that for other young
Speaker 5: people when I was a teaching artist, you know, all
Speaker 5: over New York. And I hope to still do work
Speaker 5: like that in the future. But in the meantime, it's
Speaker 5: so special that the work I'm writing is getting to yeah,
Speaker 5: connect with young.
Speaker 8: People across the country, which is really exciting and older people.
Speaker 5: All it is always yeah, and.
Speaker 2: Now as an artist, you know, any recognition for the
Speaker 2: work we do is like, ohxues you know the thing
Speaker 2: I'm doing, I'm doing it for a reason and you believe.
Speaker 8: Me too, No, literally exactly.
Speaker 7: So I was asked me that, I was like, it
Speaker 7: really was that where I was like, okay, affirmation, Okay,
Speaker 7: I should keep going, like I shouldn't just given to
Speaker 7: the like little mean voices that are like it doesn't
Speaker 7: matter nothing, Like what's the point. You know, those voices
Speaker 7: are real, especially yeah, when there is less money for
Speaker 7: the arts and you know, intense economy and political landscape,
Speaker 7: it can really be easy to start feeling like is
Speaker 7: this really the thing that I need to be doing
Speaker 7: right now? Like, you know, is this the most important thing?
Speaker 7: Like is it even matters? Even having an impact?
Speaker 5: And my whole life has been a constant spiral return
Speaker 5: to like yes, calm down, friend, like it matters, Like
Speaker 5: it matters, this work matters. It matters to you, and
Speaker 5: it matters.
Speaker 8: To other people.
Speaker 5: So definitely felt that way too to get and i'mally
Speaker 5: excited because they're gonna yeah exactly.
Speaker 7: I'm like, Okay, maybe maybe most of something. Maybe I'm
Speaker 7: on my path and I need to stop doubting myself
Speaker 7: on every time.
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Speaker 2: I was so excited to start watching Breaking this year
Speaker 2: in the Olympic. Yes, it took me a while to
Speaker 2: stop crying. I know, we haven't even finished watching it.
Speaker 2: Thank goodness for Peacock because we started watching the women's qualifiers.
Speaker 1: And other than the unfortunate Australian, some really good stuff.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there's there was some amazing stuff.
Speaker 1: I got another opportunity to be disappointed by white people.
Speaker 1: Yeah because social media and yeah, yeah people, I actually
Speaker 1: like going making a joke of breaking in the Olympics.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, casual racism. Oh I know, I've been here
Speaker 2: to what's next? Ti Ley Wings shut the fuck up?
Speaker 2: First of all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we know bee boys and bee girls
Speaker 1: who and they're at they're fucking athletes, the strongest. Fuck
Speaker 1: there's talent and discipline involved. Oh yeah. It is not
Speaker 1: just an art form, but it can be quite athletic
Speaker 1: and wow wow.
Speaker 2: And it was really interesting because like the it's not
Speaker 2: a point system, it's there's nine judges.
Speaker 1: I felt like pose a little bit.
Speaker 2: It was kind of like ten or chop, like do
Speaker 2: you either got votes or you didn't, and if you
Speaker 2: got more votes than you want and you know, I
Speaker 2: kind of like that.
Speaker 1: They didn't rank them, they just they had to choose
Speaker 1: between the two, right, So they kept doing battles. That's
Speaker 1: how far we are in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they did round robins and out of two rounds,
Speaker 2: whoever got the most votes moved on.
Speaker 1: So except people were moving on anyway. I think it
Speaker 1: was like without being cut.
Speaker 2: The tops and the bottoms moved on or something. I'm
Speaker 2: not sure how that.
Speaker 1: Works as happens.
Speaker 2: I guess I've had it spoiled as to who won
Speaker 2: the gold. But you know, if you're like me and
Speaker 2: you haven't finished watch it. Yeah, I'm not going to
Speaker 2: spoil it here, but congratulations.
Speaker 1: And Breaking will not re emerge in twenty eight in La,
Speaker 1: which I think is bullshit. It is bullshit in this
Speaker 1: country where it started.
Speaker 2: I mean to argue it should have started here any anyway.
Speaker 1: But no, what I'm saying where Breaking started right in
Speaker 1: this country, right, the LA Olympics will not be featuring Breaking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't like that.
Speaker 1: I don't like it either. I think it's bullshit.
Speaker 2: It is, but we saw some really cool people, like
Speaker 2: but folks from Japan were insane. The B girls from
Speaker 2: the US came to play, the one.
Speaker 1: Where didn't come to play.
Speaker 2: Exactly, the one girl, Nikki from Lithuania, she showed out.
Speaker 2: And then there was B girl Raygun from Australa who
Speaker 2: can have the moniker now the worst breaker in the world.
Speaker 1: I'm reminded of a story of.
Speaker 9: So I was twenty and I had a friend who
Speaker 9: was twenty, and we were both managers and a certain
Speaker 9: fast food franchise, and we would hang out and he
Speaker 9: loved strip clubs. And there was one very tiny hole
Speaker 9: in the wall strip club across from one very tiny
Speaker 9: restaurant that we both had occasion to work in here
Speaker 9: and there. And it was this one mid afternoon when
Speaker 9: we met up at said strip club and that strip.
Speaker 2: Of prime time that's when the a squad's out.
Speaker 1: No it's not, but he was having relations with the
Speaker 1: girl who was normally dancing at that time, and so
Speaker 1: we went to ostensibly, I guess say hi, and she
Speaker 1: was not. She had called out that day and said
Speaker 1: the bartender, who lovely woman, but keep in mind were
Speaker 1: twenty and she's somewhere in her late forties and a parent,
Speaker 1: the mother of more than one I forget how many kids.
Speaker 1: But anyway, rather than just say the stripper's not here,
Speaker 1: she got up on the stage.
Speaker 2: Had no dead air in this establishment.
Speaker 1: And she danced to Sledgehammer. Ooh, I will never forget
Speaker 1: the song. That played, and he gave her twenty dollars
Speaker 1: to please get down and put her clothes back on.
Speaker 1: That happened. That happened in my life. Yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I forget why I was telling this story, but it feelstremaine.
Speaker 1: When I started the story, it felt to me, was.
Speaker 2: She better than the Australian breakdancer?
Speaker 1: No? No, but it felt again like somebody's mom stepped
Speaker 1: in at the last minute and said, I can do this,
Speaker 1: so there's not dead air. It very much felt like
Speaker 1: it was not okay back then, and it was not
Speaker 1: okay at the Olympics.
Speaker 2: It very much felt like it felt very popular video
Speaker 2: on the Internet of the little white woman in the
Speaker 2: blue track suit talking about this is hip hop. See
Speaker 2: how I turned my feet in that that's what makes
Speaker 2: it hip hop. Yeah, she was very much that, like.
Speaker 1: I have never seen I mean, and I have. You know,
Speaker 1: we know some white be people phoebe, but but but
Speaker 1: not that white.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. When she got down on the ground
Speaker 2: and did the curly you're running around in a circle
Speaker 2: on your side, like really.
Speaker 1: Bitch, really, my soul emptied itself.
Speaker 2: I and then she did a buddy hop.
Speaker 1: Or was that a kangaroo. I don't even I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know what that was. I just I the
Speaker 1: whole time I was watching her, I was thinking of
Speaker 1: the bartender who said the show must go on.
Speaker 2: Somebody good could have had that spot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And since I'm already going to hell, I guess
Speaker 1: the upside was everything that no one wanted to look
Speaker 1: at kind of fell behind her arms. Anyway, when she
Speaker 1: laid down, but not good, it wasn't good. It was
Speaker 1: like it was just please don't do this, Please don't,
Speaker 1: please don't. Oh home, we're gonna do it, and.
Speaker 2: Please and it hurt.
Speaker 1: Please stop.
Speaker 2: When her last round was against Nikki from Ornico from Lithuania.
Speaker 1: I would have left at that boy. I would have
Speaker 1: just said, just watch her right, I'm done.
Speaker 2: I know I'm done, because it was very much like
Speaker 2: that moment in the Simpsons. Stop stop, he's already dead,
Speaker 2: like it.
Speaker 1: Was, oh child.
Speaker 2: So I'm glad that breaking is in the Olympics, and
Speaker 2: I'm sad that it won't be in the next one.
Speaker 1: I am too. I hope that LA will reconsider that position. Truly.
Speaker 1: I do guess breaking is at first an American art form, yes,
Speaker 1: and it is an art form, and it is athleticism,
Speaker 1: and I think it belongs there.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 1: I think that the arguments against this are classist and
Speaker 1: racist and unfair. Person only. Yeah yeah, that said, Oh god,
Speaker 1: she really was dressed for golf, and not in a
Speaker 1: good way.
Speaker 2: And she straight up said, colors, I guess I knew
Speaker 2: that I couldn't compete against these younger people who were
Speaker 2: at the top of their game doing what they do.
Speaker 2: So I figured, when am I going to get the
Speaker 2: chance again to do something on the world stage where
Speaker 2: I can be creative and be more you know, free
Speaker 2: flowing and improvisational.
Speaker 1: Bitch.
Speaker 2: Now was not the time. Well this was good, This
Speaker 2: was you know, I.
Speaker 1: Mean as her as far as her taking her shot,
Speaker 1: Sure it was. But now you will forever be known
Speaker 1: as the whitest woman to ever break dance in anyone's mind, ever, the.
Speaker 2: Worst breaker in the world.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like, but she won shit. I mean, I guess
Speaker 1: against other moms. Maybe that's their parent teacher association, like, hey,
Speaker 1: let's take it to the floor and then like that's
Speaker 1: how they work out their differences. And she thought, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm the most talented among us, you know, and you
Speaker 1: know I don't want to dip in Australian how's wives go.
Speaker 2: I don't want to.
Speaker 1: Or the poopy as it were, because we've got we've
Speaker 1: got lots of Australian listener.
Speaker 2: We do, and we yes, and that being said, But
Speaker 2: I don't think I'm breaking the news to y'all when
Speaker 2: I say that when you think of funk, you don't
Speaker 2: necessarily think of Australia first. I'm just saying, when you
Speaker 2: think of funk, you don't necessarily think of suburban white
Speaker 2: women first. Also that.
Speaker 1: Advisors, Yeah, with high waisted slacks. Those were slacks. Those
Speaker 1: weren't even pants, Those are what we call slacks. She
Speaker 1: had slacks on bright green ones. It wasn't good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it wasn't good. It wasn't good.
Speaker 2: But and when you were against someone who was actually
Speaker 2: legitimately talented, it the not good was more glaring.
Speaker 1: But it doesn't make up for the casual racism that
Speaker 1: was behind several of the remarks that I've read. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: and I didn't feel like a perfect representation of the
Speaker 1: art form for sure, right, But that said, I think
Speaker 1: it belongs there.
Speaker 2: Right, And I do love the fact that breaking has
Speaker 2: become and has been international for a good long while.
Speaker 2: It has been inclusive. The essence of hip hop in general,
Speaker 2: regardless of what one might think, and breaking in particular,
Speaker 2: is very inclusive. And so that was good to see.
Speaker 2: But you know, inclusivity has its downsides, like be girl,
Speaker 2: Rey gun Shaw, stop it stop, I'm gonna fight you anyway.
Speaker 1: Anyway now it's in your.
Speaker 2: Head, I'm gonna fight you. But yeah, that want that
Speaker 2: motherfucking note.
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Speaker 2: So first of all, I just want to point out
Speaker 2: that the way you're you're sitting at your microphone is
Speaker 2: very demure and mindful.
Speaker 1: Demure and mind.
Speaker 2: Yes, you're very demure and mindful.
Speaker 1: What do you mean Charles talking about?
Speaker 2: So there is this viral moment that is happening by
Speaker 2: trans influencer Jules Lebron has gone viral on TikTok with
Speaker 2: this video of her in her car talking about, you know,
Speaker 2: the way I present myself when I go to work,
Speaker 2: I'm very demure, I'm very mindful. Like the way she
Speaker 2: puts her her makeup on. I have a braid in
Speaker 2: my fragrance and it just blew up and it's it's
Speaker 2: crazy to me, Like the only reason why I because
Speaker 2: I've been seeing people talk about demure and mindful and.
Speaker 1: Like, I'm like, why right?
Speaker 2: And then I was listening to Bob the Drag Queen
Speaker 2: and Monique Exchanges podcast, and Bob was like, see the
Speaker 2: way I'm sitting here, I'm very demure and mindful. Okay,
Speaker 2: what is this? So I looked it up and oh,
Speaker 2: like it's been on national news a moment, I know,
Speaker 2: but I brought it up here because I was wondering
Speaker 2: if you A had seen it and b if you
Speaker 2: had any feelings about it.
Speaker 1: I saw it.
Speaker 2: Uh huh.
Speaker 1: I question why it's viral. I'm just being honest because
Speaker 1: it feels like some of that good old respectability politics
Speaker 1: telling other trans people how to behave, like if you
Speaker 1: want to be you know, acceptable. I guess it's, you know,
Speaker 1: a popular trade among some of the dolls. I've never
Speaker 1: particularly enjoyed it, but I wonder if the viral part is, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's about time one of them told the other ones
Speaker 1: how to behave. And I work really hard not to
Speaker 1: try to even suggest I have a right to tell
Speaker 1: other trans people how to trans right. And that's why
Speaker 1: I feel like I have no evidence for this. It's
Speaker 1: why I feel like this is so popular, this has
Speaker 1: become viral, and that's what doesn't sit well with me.
Speaker 1: Does that make any sense? Yes, I did not think
Speaker 1: of that, but those are my thoughts. It's like, why
Speaker 1: would all these people suddenly be what, you know, the
Speaker 1: slight misuse of the word more the word both the
Speaker 1: words to mer and mindful, because it's not really mindfulness
Speaker 1: as we understand it. It's more being mindful of how
Speaker 1: others might perceive you right that you know, so be understated,
Speaker 1: be soft, be quiet, you know, no need to paint
Speaker 1: like a clown, I mean, and you want to say
Speaker 1: that ship to your girlfriends primly ahead. I just it's
Speaker 1: the problem with TikTok and social media, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? And we do not that liberals don't do
Speaker 1: the same goddamn thing, Like if we catch a right
Speaker 1: winger actually having a moment of clarity, we put it
Speaker 1: all over the place. But that's that's just where it
Speaker 1: feels in my gut. When I saw it, when I
Speaker 1: watched it, when I went, oh, they do love it,
Speaker 1: just like who was it? Her name? Begins with an
Speaker 1: m black comedian Monique. Remember when Monique talked about how
Speaker 1: to be in the airport, oh, with the don't have
Speaker 1: your bonnet right right, and and folks jumped right, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But there were a lot of
Speaker 1: people who also were like, yeah, finally somebody's telling them,
Speaker 1: somebody snatching one of their own, right. That response is
Speaker 1: what I feel like this is.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: There was the counter response that said, mind your own
Speaker 1: damn business. But and that's kind of where I am
Speaker 1: with all this, Like, I'm not going to tell another
Speaker 1: trans person out of trance. I may have a conversation
Speaker 1: with you if you ask about why you may be
Speaker 1: received a certain way because you are challenging norms, but
Speaker 1: I'm not going to tell you not to.
Speaker 2: If you want to have a smoky eye at the
Speaker 2: bank at two o'clock on a Tuesday, then damn.
Speaker 1: It well, right. And not just that, I mean, if
Speaker 1: you're going to grow at your beard and that's how
Speaker 1: you feel you best express your transness, have at it right.
Speaker 1: I mean. You may suffer backlash, You may you may
Speaker 1: get stairs, you may get more hostility than others. I
Speaker 1: you know that that may be because it's still a
Speaker 1: fucked up world. But yeah, I mean we cringe all
Speaker 1: the time things we see, but we don't publicly talk
Speaker 1: about them. Right, I'm not going to make a tech
Speaker 1: talk trying to snatch anybody because when you unless I'm
Speaker 1: punching up, you know, like I'll snatch Dave Chappelle all
Speaker 1: day long, but not other trans women.
Speaker 2: Right, because when you do, it gives other people the
Speaker 2: idea that they have the right and the room to
Speaker 2: do so.
Speaker 1: Right, Because now I'm waiting for SIS people to walk
Speaker 1: around asking us why we can't be more demure, And
Speaker 1: once that starts, are we gonna be giddy about this
Speaker 1: whole thing? I don't feel like who we are. I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 2: That's that's and then next thing, you know, the trans
Speaker 2: woman smacked me, and then it's a whole.
Speaker 1: Thing, and then it's a whole thing. Yeah, that's just
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think she meant harm at all. No,
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you how it feels to me.
Speaker 2: But a lot of times no harm is meant.
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm misreading I you know, I don't
Speaker 1: think I'm misreading why it's so popular because it's otherwise
Speaker 1: not all that entertaining.
Speaker 2: It's well, that was my thing. I was like, this
Speaker 2: is having a viral.
Speaker 1: Moment mm hmm. Yeah at a time at a time
Speaker 1: when there's trans hate and transaggression in the news all
Speaker 1: the time, and you know, these Republicans introducing bill after
Speaker 1: bill after bill. Well, it was I just feel like
Speaker 1: it's kind of saying, yes, see, if you better knew
Speaker 1: your police, you would make it easier for us to
Speaker 1: like you.
Speaker 2: It was one thing when this was going viral amongst
Speaker 2: the queers, like that made more sense to me.
Speaker 1: That would be fine if that's where it.
Speaker 2: Because that's all I was hearing about it. And then
Speaker 2: I came across a national news station that was having
Speaker 2: a moment with it, and that's when I was like,
Speaker 2: wait a minute.
Speaker 1: I was reading about it like a newspaper in Boise.
Speaker 2: It was like a daily news show or something that
Speaker 2: was showing the clip and talking about it as it
Speaker 2: like it was a story. That's when I was like, huh.
Speaker 1: I wonder why, right, I don't know why. I know
Speaker 1: why queers might do it, but there's a lot of
Speaker 1: transphobic queers out there. Yeah, but I'm racist.
Speaker 2: True, But you know, when I'm hearing like black and
Speaker 2: brown queers, like repeating a moment like from one of
Speaker 2: the dolls. I'm like, okay, I.
Speaker 1: Get that, we do that.
Speaker 2: That made sense to me. But once it became once
Speaker 2: the CIS had started catching a whiff of it, that's
Speaker 2: when immediately my hackles went up and I was like, huh,
Speaker 2: that's why I wanted to talk about it.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't think she's trying to be ironic or funny,
Speaker 1: or I don't believe it's satire. I believe she was sincere.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm wrong about that.
Speaker 2: Well, she's also having a monk with the way she
Speaker 2: says because alays demure and mindful. Because she has another
Speaker 2: video I told you about this where she's picking up
Speaker 2: her credit card that she left at a bar. You
Speaker 2: told me, and she was like, you know, when I
Speaker 2: go into the gay bar to get my credit card,
Speaker 2: I am very demure and mindful. I do not stay
Speaker 2: and get drunk. I just take my card and I leave.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, how is that demure and mindful? Then
Speaker 2: it was like, Okay, I guess we're doing a thing
Speaker 2: where everything we do in our day to day we're
Speaker 2: being demure and mindful. I guess. I guess, like, look
Speaker 2: at how I shop for line. I'm very demure, and
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know either. I just I'm I'm really not
Speaker 1: sure what's so popular about. It doesn't feel right to me,
Speaker 1: just doesn't feel right.
Speaker 2: Okay, she might.
Speaker 1: As well just say there's straight people watching. And my
Speaker 1: larger point is there's straight people watching, So you know,
Speaker 1: maybe I'm no better.
Speaker 10: I don't know.
Speaker 1: You know, you know I criticize no one in my community. Now,
Speaker 1: if you ask me my opinion on something, and you
Speaker 1: sincerely want my constructive assistance on your look today, I
Speaker 1: will give it to you. I will if you ask me.
Speaker 1: If you ain't asked me, you look fabulous?
Speaker 2: What a nice hat?
Speaker 1: There is always something I can appreciate, truly, whatever, whatever,
Speaker 1: because we don't need to be tearing one another down,
Speaker 1: and we don't need to be telling one another how
Speaker 1: to be, because we get enough of that from everywhere else,
Speaker 1: especially everywhere we turn, we're being told how we could
Speaker 1: do it a little bit differently to make ourselves more palatable.
Speaker 1: And you know, sorry, but that does happen out there,
Speaker 1: and it's like, what right? What? Yeah? So I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe I'm maybe I'm maybe it's just
Speaker 1: not that deep and people found it amusing. I don't know.
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Speaker 2: Finally, this is a full circle moment because this motherfucker
Speaker 2: is the reason why this segment started. Yes, so thank you, sir.
Speaker 11: Here we go.
Speaker 2: George Santo's faces prison after pleading guilty to fraud.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but yeah, years she was facing a federal trial, yes,
Speaker 1: which would have likely resulted in far more jail time.
Speaker 1: But Santos thirty six, appeared in court in Central Airflip,
Speaker 1: New York on Monday and admitted wire fraud and aggravated
Speaker 1: identity theft for stealing the ideas of campaign staff and
Speaker 1: misusing campaign funds. And that is not a quarter of it.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: The judge estimated a sentence ranging of six to eight
Speaker 1: years for the charges he admitted. His guilty. Police cements
Speaker 1: the downfall of the novice New York politician who was
Speaker 1: expelled from Congress last year after a brief scandal plagued tenure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, stunt, queen, no kidding.
Speaker 1: I deeply regret my conduct and the harm it has caused.
Speaker 1: An accept full responsibility for my actions.
Speaker 2: Don't believe you not at all.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It reverses, of course, his denial last year of
Speaker 1: charges including lying to Congress about his finances and using
Speaker 1: campaign contributions for personal expenses. A play agreement calls for
Speaker 1: him to make restitution of at least three hundred and
Speaker 1: seventy four thousand dollars. Yeah good, at least. The aggravated
Speaker 1: identity theft charge carries a two year mandatory prison term
Speaker 1: that must be served consecutively with any sentence for the
Speaker 1: wire fraud charge. In court, he admitted to theft and
Speaker 1: applying for unemployment benefits that he was not entitled to receive.
Speaker 1: He also acknowledged making false statements and omissions on financial
Speaker 1: statements submitted to the House Ethics Committee and the Federal
Speaker 1: Election Commission. He was charged with twenty three federal felony,
Speaker 1: including wire fraud, money laundering, and the misuse of campaign funds.
Speaker 1: He was the first member of Congress to be expelled
Speaker 1: in more than twenty years last December, and only the
Speaker 1: sixth in history. So girl, girlfriend did make history. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what a what a messy queen, my God.
Speaker 2: And I'm holding out hope. Uh huh, that when he
Speaker 2: goes to prison and goes and goes through the cavity search,
Speaker 2: that then we will actually find out that he is
Speaker 2: really seven raccoons stacked on top of each other wearing
Speaker 2: a trench coat. As I had been theorizing this whole time.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna guess that's not going to happen. Two of
Speaker 1: his former aids, by the way, have already pleaded guilty
Speaker 1: to fraud in connection to his campaign. Sentencing is scheduled
Speaker 1: for February seven. Yeah, you know, this is the least
Speaker 1: he deserves for all the nonsense in michig Os, and
Speaker 1: you know, claiming claiming to be Jewish and then amending
Speaker 1: that to Jewish, Right, that's still funny. There was so much.
Speaker 1: There was just so much.
Speaker 2: Wait wait, wait, says here. He that some of the
Speaker 2: things he misused the campaign funds for were botox, credit
Speaker 2: card debt, and subscriptions to olives.
Speaker 1: Of course, as one does, girl yeah, with public funds, girl,
Speaker 1: girl yeah. And even the ways that funds were being raised,
Speaker 1: you know, there was a lot of misrepresentation on who
Speaker 1: you know, like calling and saying they were somebody else
Speaker 1: endorsing Santa, like the whole. There's so much mess. There,
Speaker 1: so much mess.
Speaker 2: Stunt.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this child is permanently broken, but you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know. They call their heels for a time, and
Speaker 1: I don't know I learned something. I'm not hopeful, but
Speaker 1: I do hope we keep her out of politics moving forward. Okay,
Speaker 1: good lord Carl Dunn, Welcome to the Full Circle Table.
Speaker 12: Thank you so much for having meet Charles and Martha.
Speaker 1: Really happy to be here. Absolutely, the fairy tale is
Speaker 1: something else, isn't it the ideas we have because really
Speaker 1: we're just I think we're all looking for the person
Speaker 1: who's crazy kind of matches our crazy enough to kill
Speaker 1: one another.
Speaker 12: Well, I think yes with an asterisk. I speak for
Speaker 12: myself here, but it seems to ring true for a
Speaker 12: lot of other people. Is that I spent my entire
Speaker 12: life looking for someone who was going to wave a
Speaker 12: magic wand and make all the dark things that I
Speaker 12: hated about myself go away. And I've would never tell
Speaker 12: them that's their job, because I don't think I even
Speaker 12: was sentient enough to understand that.
Speaker 1: That is, I was.
Speaker 12: Doing an interview to find someone to do that job,
Speaker 12: the work that I wasn't prepared to do. Yeah, And
Speaker 12: I think that's that was definitely the big driver for me.
Speaker 12: So I would constantly find these incredibly enigmatic men that
Speaker 12: I dated in my life. Somebody, a friend of mine
Speaker 12: once said to me, your type, like the guys you
Speaker 12: date always seem like they could start their own religion,
Speaker 12: Like they have a magnetism about them. Yeah, And I
Speaker 12: think I was really drawn to that because I thought
Speaker 12: these people were going to save me. And something that
Speaker 12: I realized, you know, and this is great news, is
Speaker 12: that no one's coming to save you. No one is,
Speaker 12: which is great news because it means it's all up
Speaker 12: to you. You don't have to wait for anything to happen.
Speaker 12: You don't have to wait for someone to write in
Speaker 12: is this the person that's going to do it?
Speaker 1: Or whatever?
Speaker 12: You do it all for yourself. And it took me
Speaker 12: a long time to figure that out. But yeah, it's great.
Speaker 12: I mean, once you've been I mean, this may sound
Speaker 12: like bad news.
Speaker 2: To some of your listeners.
Speaker 13: I'm sorry if.
Speaker 12: It does, but it's far more. It is a far
Speaker 12: more rewarding journey to figure yourself out, to know yourself, and.
Speaker 2: There are many ways to do that.
Speaker 12: I had to do it by being on my own
Speaker 12: because I know what I'm like and if I'm with
Speaker 12: something that was not something I could do with another person,
Speaker 12: that had to be a solo mission for me. But
Speaker 12: to really truly I mean, and other people have spoken
Speaker 12: to have told me that they've done the same thing,
Speaker 12: but they've done it because of the person they've found
Speaker 12: that they've ended up with, which is great. Two people
Speaker 12: can help each other do that, that's what a gift,
Speaker 12: you know.
Speaker 1: You know, But I think the biggest myth we carry
Speaker 1: into relationships is this idea that we can complete one another.
Speaker 1: That's not what happens.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: We we need to complete ourselves and you know, we
Speaker 1: come together and hopefully we grow in directions that are
Speaker 1: not opposed to one another. But you know this this idea,
Speaker 1: like he completes me for chrisake, you know, that is
Speaker 1: your job and it's always gone itself, right, Yeah, because
Speaker 1: we we do. We put an awful lot of pressure
Speaker 1: on a partner, you know, if their job is to
Speaker 1: figure it all out for us, right.
Speaker 12: And then when we don't feel good and we don't
Speaker 12: feel whole, we're angry at them and not even realize
Speaker 12: that that's why we're angry at them because they haven't
Speaker 12: done that job yet that we didn't know. We've given
Speaker 12: them right and they'll find yourself like fighting and it's
Speaker 12: like what is this about? And it's like, I don't know,
Speaker 12: but you're not supporting me. You know something right, And yeah,
Speaker 12: it's really something you've got to You've got to figure
Speaker 12: that out out for yourself. I had to because I
Speaker 12: basically had dated the same guy five times in a
Speaker 12: row and married the last one, so I was I
Speaker 12: was repeating this pattern again and again. I'm not blaming
Speaker 12: them for it. I own my my one hundred percent
Speaker 12: of my half of everything that I did with these
Speaker 12: gentlemen and the relationships that we had. But yeah, you've
Speaker 12: got to do that for yourself.
Speaker 1: You've got to figure yourself out.
Speaker 12: It's the single I think the single greatest thing any
Speaker 12: human being can do is to know themselves.
Speaker 1: This Labor Day episode is brought to you by the
Speaker 1: Organized Labor that was off today. I spent it with
Speaker 1: Brene Brown. My morning, Ye I wish that were true.
Speaker 1: Watching a List of the Heart, I rewatched it. That's
Speaker 1: fun and that's good stuff.
Speaker 2: Everything she said was so timely that it's funny. To
Speaker 2: think that it's a that you know, we watched it before.
Speaker 1: Right, It's one of those things that, yeah, that you
Speaker 1: get something different out of it each time you hear it, right,
Speaker 1: you know, because something different will resonate.
Speaker 2: Like what did I just finished saying? Well, we were
Speaker 2: listening to her, like why you gotta yell at me?
Speaker 1: Burnebor that was from Super Soul Sunday. Yeah, because that
Speaker 1: that like popped up afterwards on Max like you might
Speaker 1: enjoy this, and I'm like, actually I would. So I
Speaker 1: looked for, you know, the one with her or one
Speaker 1: of the ones with her, and yeah, what did she say?
Speaker 2: She said, unused creativity isn't benign, it metastasizes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you were like, why is she yelling at exactly?
Speaker 2: Why you gotta be so loud?
Speaker 1: Do you feel like you're not using your creative.
Speaker 2: I am not not to the levels that I had
Speaker 2: been in recent months last year.
Speaker 1: Well you are right now?
Speaker 2: Well yeah, this counts okay?
Speaker 1: Good? Yeah, I'm glad, you know.
Speaker 2: Like I don't have as much time as I used to. Also,
Speaker 2: I hear you and you know, and that's okay, But
Speaker 2: you know, sometimes I miss having the kind of life
Speaker 2: where I could.
Speaker 1: Choreograph a piece well, and that's yeah, sure, I.
Speaker 2: Mean would just not to say that I couldn't if
Speaker 2: I wanted to correct. But it's harder now because I'd
Speaker 2: have to like find a space to rehearse and rent
Speaker 2: the space to rehearse all those things, schedule dancer, all
Speaker 2: those things, the things I don't miss.
Speaker 1: I hear you, I hear you. Yeah, it's a lot.
Speaker 2: It's like we were moving stuff to the track to
Speaker 2: the curve for bulk trash and we had a couple
Speaker 2: of like really sturdy wooden boxes.
Speaker 1: And right, and you were like contemplating.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like five years ago, me would be like these
Speaker 2: would be awesome for like set pieces, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: you don't have a set piece needing kind of motherfucker.
Speaker 1: At the moment.
Speaker 2: Now, you know, now you might have a my friends
Speaker 2: need a set piece, and if they asked me, I'd
Speaker 2: happen to have it if they asked me tonight.
Speaker 1: But right, we don't have that kind of storage.
Speaker 2: Just and it's and I made peace with it, and
Speaker 2: it's fine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're just you know whatever. Somebody made crates at
Speaker 1: some point and they're kind of heavy and in the way,
Speaker 1: got no place to put them.
Speaker 2: And at the same time, if I do come across
Speaker 2: a moment where I need to have something built, you
Speaker 2: know what, I have a job that I could pay someone.
Speaker 1: To do build it exactly. It evens o it does.
Speaker 1: And I don't foresee needing one of those, you know,
Speaker 1: but who knows who I There are other wooden crates
Speaker 1: in the souse. Actually there are several.
Speaker 2: I'm sure there were.
Speaker 1: These were just two many.
Speaker 2: And also speaking of Nae Brown, she was talking about nostalgia,
Speaker 2: and you know, I talked about this and a piece
Speaker 2: that I made back in two thousand and nine, ten eleven, okay,
Speaker 2: and where I said, you know, they say that nostalgia
Speaker 2: is contempt for the present and fear of the future.
Speaker 2: And I was sitting at work last night and I
Speaker 2: happened to put on MTV because MTV, like sometimes I
Speaker 2: actually plays music videos. And it was nineties Nation and
Speaker 2: it was like all these videos from like, you know,
Speaker 2: my heyday in the nineties when I was in college
Speaker 2: and care free and shit, and I got that squirt
Speaker 2: of like of dopamine, and you know, I was feeling
Speaker 2: all happy and then I was like, yeah, but you're
Speaker 2: not now you're here now, right, Like that's cute and all,
Speaker 2: but this is where you are pay attention. Like I
Speaker 2: actually had that moment with myself.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I yeah, I don't. I'm just I think
Speaker 1: I stay in the present more often than I don't. Okay,
Speaker 1: I think. I mean, I like, you know, the music
Speaker 1: of my era and the music that came before and
Speaker 1: some of what came after. But I just I don't
Speaker 1: think I feel like, oh, those days, those halcyon days,
Speaker 1: because they really weren't. I mean they weren't. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, they talked about that was one of the
Speaker 1: things she was talking about, or she had one of
Speaker 1: her guests talking about, was the danger of you know,
Speaker 1: the way we look at the past, we forget about
Speaker 1: the bad parts, right right, We forget about you know,
Speaker 1: we remember those found my holidays. We forget about you know,
Speaker 1: the drunken uncle or the grandfather who everyone kept the
Speaker 1: children away from like that, like we forget that, and yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't tend to look back. Well.
Speaker 2: The thing about that is, like I know, for some
Speaker 2: people it's like, you know, they peaked in high school,
Speaker 2: they peaked in college, and so that's like.
Speaker 1: My life didn't even start until after high school though.
Speaker 2: Right, But for me, like the nineties as a creative
Speaker 2: time influenced, like for many years after, influenced my present
Speaker 2: and my plans for the future. So I guess that
Speaker 2: also carries that sweet spot, you know. But now my life,
Speaker 2: the life that I have now is not is very
Speaker 2: different from the life that was informed by that period
Speaker 2: of time so directly, so I have a different relationship
Speaker 2: with those memories. Sure, it's just interesting, good talking about.
Speaker 2: But I'm proud of myself for having the the the
Speaker 2: presence of mind to be aware of these things.
Speaker 1: Gotcha, gotcha?
Speaker 2: Like, first of all, in the nineties, podcasts were not
Speaker 2: a thing, So I never would have even imagined that
Speaker 2: we'd be sitting here doing this and that there's actually
Speaker 2: people out there in the world who.
Speaker 1: Listen to us. Hey ya, right, there are all over
Speaker 1: the world, which is really exciting. Yeah. Actually, when I
Speaker 1: think about it, I try not to think about it
Speaker 1: too hard, right, you know what I mean? Gunner Montana,
Speaker 1: Welcome to the Full Circle Table.
Speaker 8: Hi, thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1: Wonderful to see you in your Childless Cat Lady shirt.
Speaker 8: I was such a colonless fan. I can't even stand it.
Speaker 14: I just really like witches, I really, I think there.
Speaker 14: I think the concept of witchery is really really cool.
Speaker 14: And there are a few things I didn't I wanted
Speaker 14: to tackle that I felt like I didn't have time
Speaker 14: to tackle on the first show, one of them being
Speaker 14: kind of like a more.
Speaker 8: Gender bent idea of what witches are.
Speaker 14: So we added kind of like a more male figure
Speaker 14: I guess you'd call them the male figure to the
Speaker 14: coven to kind of make it feel more genderless.
Speaker 8: And it was some really cool queer themes that we
Speaker 8: got to uh.
Speaker 14: Got to tackle with this one that I feel like
Speaker 14: I lost in the first one a little bit.
Speaker 8: But I always viewed them as like queer villains, you.
Speaker 2: Know, like very dark queer.
Speaker 14: Villains, and I feel like I really wanted to dig
Speaker 14: deeper into that. So this year I really kind of
Speaker 14: dove headfirst into into all the fagatory.
Speaker 8: Of what this coven you know what I'm talking.
Speaker 1: About, as it were.
Speaker 14: Yeah, And so it has this really kind of deep, sensual,
Speaker 14: dark queer vibe, which I'm really excited about.
Speaker 2: Okay, I love it. I love yeah. Because Blackwood it
Speaker 2: was kind of like, uh, the queer uh sensibility was
Speaker 2: in the response to this like heteronormative violent, yeah thing
Speaker 2: that was going on.
Speaker 8: For sure, I see yeah.
Speaker 14: And I think one of the fun, more fun concepts
Speaker 14: of the show was to kind of flip the flip
Speaker 14: the script on our society and kind of prosecute heterosexuality.
Speaker 8: So you have this kind of it's a nice storyline.
Speaker 1: It's about time.
Speaker 14: It's about time, not just not to say that I
Speaker 14: believe it in the core of me or that I'm
Speaker 14: anti strait, just to say that it's really fun to
Speaker 14: see the irony in it, right, And there's a lot
Speaker 14: of insight that comes with just seeing the flip the
Speaker 14: script flipped. You know, you can really you can just
Speaker 14: you take in it differently when you see different people
Speaker 14: in the same situation. So the prosecution of heterosexuality, there
Speaker 14: is this whole storyline about like how you're not allowed
Speaker 14: to be in or sexual relationship in this coven.
Speaker 8: It's not you know, and and.
Speaker 14: So it's it's visibly, very visibly persecuted in this show
Speaker 14: in a very dark way. And I think there's something
Speaker 14: really interesting and cool and unique about that and fun.
Speaker 14: We obviously got stuck in a multiverse version where heteronormity
Speaker 14: and sexuality is.
Speaker 8: Kind of like essential to having people, you know, in
Speaker 8: a way.
Speaker 14: But in the world I created, it's not you don't
Speaker 14: need it's not reproductive.
Speaker 8: You know, there's it's not a reproductive norm.
Speaker 14: These witches are making witches without heterosexual relationships, right, so
Speaker 14: so you no longer need that foundation, right, so therefore
Speaker 14: you you now have the ability.
Speaker 8: To persecute it, which I think is really really fun.
Speaker 15: Yeah, not to say that heteronormative couples are the only
Speaker 15: people that can have children these days, but it is
Speaker 15: an old school kind of ver a thought which I'm
Speaker 15: having a lot of fun, just kind of fucking.
Speaker 8: With for sure.
Speaker 2: Jack Tambourie is in the house. Hi, Jack, how are you? Hi? Charles,
Speaker 2: thank you for inviting me. I'm happy to be here.
Speaker 2: Especially in the nineties, you know, pre pre social media,
Speaker 2: pre internet, pre grinder where you can order men like pizza.
Speaker 2: You know, it's like that being gay, being queer for
Speaker 2: a lot of white folks was your taste of being other,
Speaker 2: and you know, you would find yourself in groupings of
Speaker 2: people that you otherwise might not have because we have
Speaker 2: this thing in common.
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, when would I have had meaningful opportunities for encounters,
Speaker 4: deep encounters with folks of color outside of gay community.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: I think about this a lot. My high school is
Speaker 4: pretty diverse, and it also was structured with racist academic tracking,
Speaker 4: so like there were there, there were kids of all
Speaker 4: sorts all around me except in my actual classes, you know,
Speaker 4: And so yeah, yeah, it really.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's an interesting conversation that I never really yeah,
Speaker 2: because you know, there is definitely a class structure within
Speaker 2: the LGBT community. If we're talking, if you introduce the
Speaker 2: element of race, and.
Speaker 4: You know, I mean, right, it's a whole let's yeah,
Speaker 4: let's not say that game al community is a racial utopia.
Speaker 2: I will not.
Speaker 4: But uh, I think a lot about Samuel Delaney, the
Speaker 4: writer has I'm gonna butcher this, but there's a kind
Speaker 4: of he wrote a book it's sort of half memoir,
Speaker 4: half sort of really academic, uh, sort of treatise called
Speaker 4: Time Square Red, Time Square Blue that I read in
Speaker 4: my twenties and is something that I really hold in
Speaker 4: my heart, where he proposes that that essentially that that
Speaker 4: that cruising is a sort of profound and vital aspect
Speaker 4: of human culture because especially within capitalism, because it's the
Speaker 4: it's one of the only spaces where people of different
Speaker 4: class backgrounds have an opportunity to encounter one another outside
Speaker 4: of the rules of transaction. Now, now, is cruising or
Speaker 4: gay bars or are those in fact a transaction?
Speaker 2: I think there's plenty of transaction.
Speaker 4: Going on, but I think I meant its at its
Speaker 4: most basic, like, you know, really literal, dumb sort of
Speaker 4: the reality of my encounters with with folks of a
Speaker 4: class background that's different from me. Either I'm serving them something,
Speaker 4: they're buying something for me, I'm being served I'm buying
Speaker 4: something from that Like like transactions in its most sort
Speaker 4: of obvious broad sense, that's like ninety percent of inter
Speaker 4: class contact in most places in the United States. And
Speaker 4: something about queer space creates potential for.
Speaker 1: Uh, for something more meaningful.
Speaker 2: Definitely, the problem arises when let's see, how can I
Speaker 2: put this, when the marginalized of the marginalized seek save spaces, right,
Speaker 2: and then you know, I guess I'm trying to say
Speaker 2: is like the problem comes in when you have the
Speaker 2: gay white men with money.
Speaker 4: Who right, who are bringing class hierarchy into the space, right?
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 16: Let me get let me get to the short part
Speaker 16: of that, right, because you know absolutely, but it's all
Speaker 16: combaya until you know the cops show up sometimes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the proposal of a space that simply
Speaker 4: doesn't in and of its nature have to adhere to
Speaker 4: sort of rules of spaces of buying and selling more more,
Speaker 4: sort of explicitly or formally. I think perhaps this is
Speaker 4: more about potential than about actual hmmm qualities.
Speaker 1: Yes, Nuko Lang, welcome to the Full Circle table.
Speaker 17: Thanks, It's so good to be here, such a long
Speaker 17: time coming.
Speaker 1: Clearly there was reason this book had to be written.
Speaker 1: Can you talk a little bit about that? What gave
Speaker 1: you the not just the idea, but the wherewithal to
Speaker 1: travel the country and you know, have these conversations. Sure,
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 17: Really for me, what it came down to is that
Speaker 17: I had the access in the resources to write this
Speaker 17: book and it needed to be written. So I just
Speaker 17: had a responsibility to do it. Because I've been doing
Speaker 17: this work for such a long time. I know so
Speaker 17: many of families of trans kids already, you know, like
Speaker 17: I've been an LGBTQ plus journalist for over ten years.
Speaker 17: I've been work working with families of trans kids for
Speaker 17: eight years. I know families across the country they like
Speaker 17: trust me, they love me, like we're like friends. Many
Speaker 17: of them you're not really supposed to be friends with
Speaker 17: their sources, but it's kind of inevitable if you stay
Speaker 17: in touch with people for such a long time, like
Speaker 17: you watch their kids grow up, you get like photos
Speaker 17: and updates when they're like graduating from high school, graduating
Speaker 17: from college. You know, there's this like camaraderie and this
Speaker 17: even more importantly, this trust that was built in. And
Speaker 17: I had a sense that if I had that trust
Speaker 17: already and I didn't have to work for it the
Speaker 17: way that some other journalists coming into this like might,
Speaker 17: that I could do something really special with that, that
Speaker 17: I could go so much deeper and just give people
Speaker 17: like a more interesting book, not like a better book,
Speaker 17: but just like something that would like get to this
Speaker 17: richness that might otherwise be lacking. So if I could
Speaker 17: do it, I knew that I had to, and I
Speaker 17: knew I particularly had to because of everything that we're
Speaker 17: seeing during this like awful political moment that we're all
Speaker 17: living through. More than six hundred and fifty bills this
Speaker 17: year we're put forward across the country targeting trans people,
Speaker 17: the majority target trans youth, and through that, we very
Speaker 17: rarely focused on the impact on these kids' daily lives,
Speaker 17: like how are they feeling all through all this, How
Speaker 17: are they getting through it, how are they experiencing it,
Speaker 17: how are they trying to figure out how to be
Speaker 17: a person like when all this stuff is happening, Because
Speaker 17: imagine that you are a child growing up in the
Speaker 17: shadow of people hating you, right and using that like
Speaker 17: politicized eight hate to try to keep you from having rights.
Speaker 17: And this has always been the way for trans kids, right,
Speaker 17: and for trans adults, they've always known this to be true.
Speaker 17: But it just feels like it's become so much more
Speaker 17: upfront and so much more organized now than maybe we've
Speaker 17: seen in some like previous decades. And kids are really
Speaker 17: like dealing with the bunt of it, and I wanted
Speaker 17: to put them at the center of their own narratives.
Speaker 17: We've very rarely heard from them about what they think
Speaker 17: about all this, And there's so much value to like
Speaker 17: learning about the lives of trans kids and like how
Speaker 17: they're life like not only experiencing this moment, but how
Speaker 17: they experience the world. Like to me, like we've treated
Speaker 17: these these kids as if they're like not human or
Speaker 17: they experience the world differently than the rest of us.
Speaker 17: But they're just kids, and they're just people like trying
Speaker 17: to like go about their lives. And I really just
Speaker 17: wanted to remind people of that, of that it's a
Speaker 17: really like sad political goal to have to remind people
Speaker 17: of the humanity of trans kids.
Speaker 8: But here we are.
Speaker 2: Today, I am sitting down with the Strides Collective. We
Speaker 2: are just with an embarrassment of riches of creative folk
Speaker 2: these days, and today is no exception.
Speaker 18: This isn't always the case where you're working with a
Speaker 18: team of predominantly queer folk on a queer play, so
Speaker 18: you may have a more interesting perspective than I do
Speaker 18: on it from the outside in.
Speaker 19: I guess one of the things that stood out to me, like,
Speaker 19: often when you're in theater spaces there are other queer people,
Speaker 19: so you don't necessarily feel alone. It's usually a fairly
Speaker 19: diverse group, but in this particular, it's like so present,
Speaker 19: we don't have to talk about it, if that makes sense,
Speaker 19: Like it's right, Yeah, it's just sort of a different
Speaker 19: cozy space where nobody I mean, I don't know, I
Speaker 19: guess I'll work off of. Like, one of the things
Speaker 19: I like in the script is one the fluidity of
Speaker 19: people as their relationships and their relationship with their self
Speaker 19: and their relationship with other people is changing. I think
Speaker 19: that happens in life, and it's nice to see it
Speaker 19: within the context of a single story. But also there's
Speaker 19: nothing confrontational really about the queerness. Like, yes, the one
Speaker 19: character's incident is kind of incited Grant's character by a
Speaker 19: perception that there's, you know, an anti queer thing there.
Speaker 19: Everybody's just sort of existing. Nobody's defending their queerness. It
Speaker 19: just is And I like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I second that.
Speaker 20: I mean, I think it's that, despite Strives being such
Speaker 20: a new collective, that there is such a clear vision
Speaker 20: for what it is that everyone is trying to achieve,
Speaker 20: and everyone takes their work very seriously. And yeah, I
Speaker 20: feel like that there's such a supportive nature that I
Speaker 20: think is probably.
Speaker 8: Probably sort of.
Speaker 20: There seems to be such a supportive nature that I
Speaker 20: think is sort of innate to the group of folks
Speaker 20: that are coming together that you don't always find, frankly
Speaker 20: in a lot of theater spaces or a lot of
Speaker 20: professional creative spaces in general. So that's been really lovely
Speaker 20: to be a part of.
Speaker 13: Yeah, I think like we.
Speaker 18: Yeah, that innate understanding, the sort of unspokenness that just
Speaker 18: is there so lovely doing work where like yeah, like
Speaker 18: the characters aren't fighting for their lives because of their
Speaker 18: identity is refreshing. Like the main character Caroline is queer,
Speaker 18: and it just is a fact. She has a lot
Speaker 18: of other trauma going on and a lot of other history,
Speaker 18: but like her sexuality, it's so sure, it's all like
Speaker 18: imbued in there, right, but like it's not the it's
Speaker 18: not the inciting incident of the play. It's not the
Speaker 18: main motivational factor. And the people around Caroline don't blink
Speaker 18: an eye. And the same thing with other characters when
Speaker 18: they when they delve into that identity to nobody blinks
Speaker 18: an eye anything. So the sort of you know, the
Speaker 18: quote unquote normalizing of that in the narrative is really
Speaker 18: refreshing because we just don't see that a lot in media,
Speaker 18: Like when queer stories are on stage or on film
Speaker 18: or whatever, it's usually there's something hateful happening or very
Speaker 18: very difficult related to it, right, And we try as
Speaker 18: a collective to like find stories that aren't always.
Speaker 13: Just about that.
Speaker 18: It's very real, obviously you don't want to shy away
Speaker 18: from just like the realness of what we all go through,
Speaker 18: but also we see so much of it, we live it,
Speaker 18: so like to live something else is nice.
Speaker 2: Elliott Schraefer is in the building. Hi, Elliott, how are you?
Speaker 6: Hi?
Speaker 13: I'm great, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2: What drew you to science fiction? Have you always been
Speaker 2: a fan?
Speaker 13: I've been a fan of science fiction, yes, when I
Speaker 13: was a teenager. I loved two thousand and one and
Speaker 13: its follow up novels. I am a huge fan of Battlecarcalactica,
Speaker 13: the reboot that started in two thousand and four. And
Speaker 13: I think, you know, there's just something science fiction does,
Speaker 13: this crazy thing which takes things that we're concerned about,
Speaker 13: like social social questions that we have about how we
Speaker 13: relate to each other in our contemporary world, and it
Speaker 13: puts them in a new context where you can kind
Speaker 13: of see them a new and reassess it. And I
Speaker 13: think that's always been a really powerful selling point of
Speaker 13: that genre, just like how Star Trek back in the
Speaker 13: nineteen sixties was a way to talk about race for
Speaker 13: a country that was unwilling to talk about race. They
Speaker 13: were doing it through this diverse crew that was meeting,
Speaker 13: like Captain Kirk kept falling in love with various aliens,
Speaker 13: you know, so it was like you're like the first
Speaker 13: inter racial kiss was on Star Trek, And I think
Speaker 13: there's a way in which it kind of can push
Speaker 13: forward and in a way that contemporary aratives, not necessarily
Speaker 13: aren't so equipped to do, can actually look and really
Speaker 13: examine what's going on. And I think for me reading
Speaker 13: these science fiction stories, I never even hoped to find
Speaker 13: an LGBTQ character in them, right, And that felt like
Speaker 13: a real kind of loss, Like I would have loved
Speaker 13: to see myself in one of these stories. And so
Speaker 13: in the darkness outside us and the brightness between us,
Speaker 13: it's very much trying to like fill a hole that
Speaker 13: was there, not just around LGBT representation, but also, you know,
Speaker 13: sci fi kind of deservedly gets a reputation sometimes as
Speaker 13: being a little bit chilly, like it's kind of all
Speaker 13: about the ideas and not about characters and feeling. And
Speaker 13: I wanted to kind of also as much as I could,
Speaker 13: like just create characters and a romance that would really
Speaker 13: pull people in and so there's a way in which
Speaker 13: these boys are each other's only the only other humans
Speaker 13: in each other's lives because they're trapped on a spaceship together,
Speaker 13: and so there's a way in which they discover that
Speaker 13: connection is the only way to survive. And I think
Speaker 13: that's we all live a version of that story where
Speaker 13: you realize even with all your armor and you're saying, like,
Speaker 13: I'm good, I'm fine on my own, I don't need anyone,
Speaker 13: screw my families, screw my friends, whatever. Like we all
Speaker 13: learn like you do need someone. It doesn't have to
Speaker 13: be your family that you were born with, but you do.
Speaker 13: We are we only exist in emotionally healthy ways if
Speaker 13: we're in a relationship with someone of any sort not romantic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that is one thing that you know. I
Speaker 2: also am a fan of science fiction, and you're right,
Speaker 2: it does tend to be a little cold and clinical
Speaker 2: and sterile at times, and that is an element in
Speaker 2: your work that I do appreciate, that sense of emotional
Speaker 2: awareness and intimacy, and you know, yeah, I think it
Speaker 2: is safe to say that that comes directly from you know,
Speaker 2: our queer sensibility and the longing for connection and belonging
Speaker 2: and togetherness and family, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 13: Yeah, we have to work, you know, we all had
Speaker 13: to survive and upbringing where we weren't necessarily able to
Speaker 13: be our authentic selves, or most of us did. So
Speaker 13: a lot of our adulthood is about, you know, keeping
Speaker 13: whatever armor is useful, but also removing whatever pieces we
Speaker 13: can to become vulnerable to each other and not you know,
Speaker 13: not always because I think you know, I certainly if
Speaker 13: you look at like the wreckage of all my relationship
Speaker 13: from my twenties, I just was not ready to like
Speaker 13: sort of say like, oh I need you, I need help,
Speaker 13: you know, like those kind of things. I was like
Speaker 13: just always trying to like, no, I'm like, you're emotional,
Speaker 13: but I'm not feeling anything right now. And that was
Speaker 13: all the result of growing up in the closet and
Speaker 13: feeling like I had to like be walled off from
Speaker 13: meeting people, relying on them, or being my full self
Speaker 13: with them, And a lot of my work as an
Speaker 13: adult was figuring out how to become authentic again.
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Speaker 1: and Early Voting. This was early October where a judge
Speaker 1: smacked down dad's demand to hang straight pride flags and
Speaker 1: kids' colassrooms. But what the fuck is this straight pride flag?
Speaker 1: I assume it's white.
Speaker 2: Actually I think it's gray.
Speaker 1: Well, that makes sense too.
Speaker 2: I saw like a mock up design. I wasn't even
Speaker 2: sure if it was real or not, like a couple
Speaker 2: of years ago, and I was like, yep, that's what
Speaker 2: I thought.
Speaker 1: It was boring this jack asked. Nathan Feldman also saw
Speaker 1: it three million dollars in damages for alleged discrimination his
Speaker 1: children faced for not being allowed to hang the flags.
Speaker 2: If it weren't for jackasses like you, we wouldn't need
Speaker 2: the gay pride flag, the queer plague exactly queer flag.
Speaker 1: He claimed he and his two children were discriminated against
Speaker 1: by a policy that allows teachers to hang pride flags
Speaker 1: in their classrooms at their discretion. He said his family's
Speaker 1: First Amendment rates were infringed upon when school administrators rejected
Speaker 1: his demand to hang straight Pride banners up alongside LGBTQ
Speaker 1: plus flags in mile high classrooms. I believe this is Colorado, right,
Speaker 1: I think. Federal US Magistrate Judge Scott T. Varholock commended
Speaker 1: that Feldman's claim be dismissed. Yeah. Colorado Politics reported the
Speaker 1: judge cited an opinion by US Supreme Court Justice Stephen Bryer,
Speaker 1: who wrote, when the government speaks for itself, the First
Speaker 1: Amendment does not demand airtime for all views.
Speaker 2: It doesn't say here what grade the kids are in.
Speaker 2: But I'm thinking, like, you don't even know your kids
Speaker 2: are straight, sir? Yeah, I mean, and they could be,
Speaker 2: but they also just as likely could not be.
Speaker 1: His claims of sex discrimination and equal protection claims were meritless.
Speaker 2: Exactly. Again, Queer pride flags are not pro anything other
Speaker 2: than inclusion and safety and providing a space for everyone. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, a straight pride flag would actually do the
Speaker 2: opposite of.
Speaker 1: That, exactly, And they're fine with that. They don't want
Speaker 1: everyone to feel included. They don't want us to feel safe,
Speaker 1: you know exactly.
Speaker 2: It's like that, like ignoring the fact that I'm sure
Speaker 2: there will be straight kids in the mix that would
Speaker 2: also feel uncomfortable with the straight pride flag because of
Speaker 2: what it represents.
Speaker 1: And I think a yahoo like this with a clear agenda,
Speaker 1: probably backed by one of these interesting organizations, doesn't begin
Speaker 1: to get It doesn't begin to understand any of it
Speaker 1: and doesn't want to right, and probably you know, sees
Speaker 1: children being far more inclusive these days and can't stand right,
Speaker 1: which makes me wonder what he's having.
Speaker 2: I had to be bullied, so you should be bullied too.
Speaker 1: Or something, yeah, or something. But you know, maybe his
Speaker 1: kids have a transferend or something in a sent him
Speaker 1: over the end.
Speaker 2: Who knows as kids today getting hugs and love and shit.
Speaker 2: I know right, I'll not have it.
Speaker 1: It's crazy. I don't even know what the fuck this
Speaker 1: is brought to you by. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Langston Hughes and Maya Agelin, That's what it's brought to
Speaker 1: you by.
Speaker 2: Good enough. Let America be America again. Let it be
Speaker 2: the dream it used to be. Let it be the
Speaker 2: pioneer on the plane seeking a home where he himself
Speaker 2: is free. America never was America to me. Let America
Speaker 2: be the dream the dreamers dreamed. Let it be that great,
Speaker 2: strong land of love, where never kings connive, nor Tyrant's
Speaker 2: scheme that any man be crushed by one above. It
Speaker 2: never was America to me.
Speaker 1: You may write me down in history with your bitter,
Speaker 1: twisted lies. You may trod me in the very dirt
Speaker 1: that still like dust. I'll rise. Does my sassiness upset you?
Speaker 1: Why are you beset with gloom? Because I walk like
Speaker 1: I've got oil wells pumping in my living room, just
Speaker 1: like moons, and like suns, with the certainty of tides,
Speaker 1: just like hopes springing high. Still, I'll rise? Did you
Speaker 1: want to see me broken? Bowed head and lowered eye,
Speaker 1: shoulders falling down like teardrops weakened by my soulful cries?
Speaker 1: Does my haughtiness offend you? Don't you take it awful hard?
Speaker 1: Because I laugh like I've got gold mine digging in
Speaker 1: my own backyard. John S. Garrison, Welcome to the full
Speaker 1: circle table.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much.
Speaker 10: I'm glad to be here. Part and parcel of the Red, Hot,
Speaker 10: and Blue Project was a public awareness campaign that had
Speaker 10: posters and wheat pasting and whatnot about ah tov prevention.
Speaker 10: And that campaign was radical too, one because it showed
Speaker 10: unclothed and naked straight couples, gay cut queer couples, but
Speaker 10: also it showed mixed race couples. It was bilingual. It
Speaker 10: was this kind of early moment in the pandemic where
Speaker 10: a lot of the prevention messaging was just about white
Speaker 10: men because that was like, because it received as a
Speaker 10: gay male disease. Like, part of this project for me
Speaker 10: was going back to all this stuff I'd kind of forgotten.
Speaker 10: I forgot that when HIV first emerged, it was referred to,
Speaker 10: you know, by the White House as a gay plague, right,
Speaker 10: and even in medical circles it was called gay Gay
Speaker 10: related immune deficiency syndrome.
Speaker 1: GRID G GRID came before it.
Speaker 10: I mean, and if you listen to that name gay related,
Speaker 10: I mean like it sounds like, oh, because you're gay
Speaker 10: or related to the gay quote unquote lifestyle, you get
Speaker 10: this disease, like like gay itself is sort of a
Speaker 10: disease or attracts disease. Gay is a sickness.
Speaker 1: And there was course, well, and it was you know,
Speaker 1: you mentioned that in the book. It took until nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy three for it to you know, be removed from
Speaker 1: the DFM.
Speaker 10: Yeah, one hundred per Yeah, it took. And you know
Speaker 10: there's this lag time, so you think, just because it
Speaker 10: is taken out of the DSM in the seventies doesn't
Speaker 10: mean that all the way through my I don't know
Speaker 10: when I was growing up or even today, people don't think, oh,
Speaker 10: isn't it sort of something you catch? Can't people be recruited?
Speaker 10: Like all those all those ideas are still there. So,
Speaker 10: you know, writing this book really took me back to
Speaker 10: that era. I don't know if I blocked it out
Speaker 10: or if things are better now so I've forgotten how
Speaker 10: bad they used to be, But I mean it was
Speaker 10: it was hard to go back to thinking about what
Speaker 10: it was like in the late eighties early nineties. But
Speaker 10: it was also good for me to remember that. I mean,
Speaker 10: all that stuff was so readily available, all that kind
Speaker 10: of prejudice, all that homophobia, transphobia, like all that racism,
Speaker 10: like it just immediately bubbled to the surface with the pandemic.
Speaker 1: Yes it did, Yes it did, because we had the seventies, right,
Speaker 1: so we had Stonewall and other uprisings in the nineteen
Speaker 1: sixties that kind of led us to a brief era
Speaker 1: like you know, it lasted about as long as Disco
Speaker 1: when we were kind we were there, you know, kind
Speaker 1: of celebrated and part of the culture, and you know,
Speaker 1: the village people and all of that. And then here
Speaker 1: was Aids nineteen eighty one and a lot of people
Speaker 1: believed that was our come up, and like, see, that's
Speaker 1: what you get from that kind of behavior, celebrating all
Speaker 1: that saggotry, right, And that really was the way it looked,
Speaker 1: you know. And so for all the strides we made,
Speaker 1: we took a huge, huge step back for you know,
Speaker 1: most of the eighties and the nineties. It changed the conversation.
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Speaker 1: and my tired ass South Carolina mayor who used the
Speaker 1: word faggot in a meeting. It was said he meant
Speaker 1: a bundle of sticks, before claiming he didn't know what
Speaker 1: the well known anti gay sler meant at all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we live in sixteen oh nine that you
Speaker 2: just randomly assumed that when you say the word faggot,
Speaker 2: that everyone's going to think you mean the bundle of sticks,
Speaker 2: which I might point out is meant to be burned,
Speaker 2: which was why it was used in reference to homosexuals
Speaker 2: in the first fucking place. Don't try and gas on
Speaker 2: my leg and tell me is raining motherfucker? Thank you,
Speaker 2: like fuck you for trying to insult my intelligence.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so a South Carolina mayor is facing widespread criticism.
Speaker 1: Good after an inflammatory exchange during a city council meeting
Speaker 1: I'm reading out of the Advocate, which repeated an anti
Speaker 1: gay slur and made comments many have called inappropriate and unprofessional.
Speaker 1: It was captured on video. The incident happened when a
Speaker 1: resident identified as Calvin used the public comment portion of
Speaker 1: the meeting to accuse Darlington Mayor Artless Boyd cowardis Boyd
Speaker 1: of violating state law by living outside city limits, a
Speaker 1: requirement for holding political office.
Speaker 2: We'll see.
Speaker 1: Calvin challenged the mayor's residency and called for an investigation. Boyd,
Speaker 1: who was elected in twenty nineteen and reelected in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three, responded with an offbeat an unexpected invitation. You're
Speaker 1: welcome to leave with me tonight and if you want,
Speaker 1: you can sleep in my bed butt naked with me.
Speaker 1: He said, I'm sorry, what the wow? The comment drew
Speaker 1: laughter from the audience, but Calvin replied I'm not gay
Speaker 1: before using an anti gay slur. Boyd echoed the slur
Speaker 1: in his response, saying I'm not that either. In the
Speaker 1: days that followed the exchange, Boyd defended his remarks, telling
Speaker 1: local media outlets that he didn't intend to be offensive
Speaker 1: and repeated the slur, only to mere Calvin's words, Okay,
Speaker 1: the F word that you were referring to means a
Speaker 1: bundle of sticks, and he said he was not that.
Speaker 1: I said, I'm not that either. Whatever it is, I
Speaker 1: looked it up and it means a bundle of sticks
Speaker 1: if you look at the dictionary. I think you love
Speaker 1: intentionally obtoose jerk offs.
Speaker 2: That's not even being intentionally obtuse. That is trying very
Speaker 2: hard to back up your own nonsense. I didn't say
Speaker 2: the hard R.
Speaker 1: I said, ah, I haven't done anything wrong or said
Speaker 1: anything wrong to him. Well, he maintained he didn't use
Speaker 1: the word as a slur, but that he apologizes to
Speaker 1: those he offended. H he feels that has been blown
Speaker 1: out of proportion. Of course you do.
Speaker 2: But hell so, at best, you're an idiot. At worst,
Speaker 2: you're an asshole idiot.
Speaker 1: David Beack, Welcome to the Full Circle Table.
Speaker 6: Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 11: I think it was a fascinating character because it's someone
Speaker 11: who sort of hold holds on to her faith, you know,
Speaker 11: despite the persecution and the discrimination, and it's like, well,
Speaker 11: I know the difference between faith and spirituality and religion
Speaker 11: you know, and and faith is personal.
Speaker 6: It's you know, something that.
Speaker 11: Man cannot touch, you know, it's it's something sacred that's
Speaker 11: just between me and my higher power.
Speaker 6: And I love that that.
Speaker 11: I mean, she's sort of in a way was the
Speaker 11: wisest in the movie and the sanest person.
Speaker 2: In the movie.
Speaker 21: You know, we all were kind of quirky, crazy characters,
Speaker 21: koky characters, you know, including the kids, and she was
Speaker 21: just this this core you know, stable force, the sense of.
Speaker 6: Calm in this world.
Speaker 11: And uh, that's what I that's what really drew me
Speaker 11: to the the story, into the projects, you know, that's
Speaker 11: what a story we wanted to Well. So, yeah, because
Speaker 11: a lot of times as LGBTQ people were kind of
Speaker 11: once we come out as whatever we are, we're almost
Speaker 11: obligated to, uh you know throw that away, you know,
Speaker 11: not just the religion, but like everything and and I
Speaker 11: think you know, it's a it's a delicate conversation, but
Speaker 11: you know, there is a huge difference between spirituality and religion,
Speaker 11: and a lot of people enjoy the ritual of Catholicism
Speaker 11: or religion, you know, the sacraments, the you know choir.
Speaker 6: You know that that was a big thing in the movie,
Speaker 6: like singing in the church choir and participate in you know,
Speaker 6: in the community, and it's like, what are we going
Speaker 6: to do?
Speaker 2: We're not welcome.
Speaker 22: You know.
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Speaker 1: and the find out phase of Novembers fucking around, you
Speaker 1: know whatever, God to say, Happy New Year baby, it is. Indeed,
Speaker 1: somebody just looked at me with such a look when
Speaker 1: I said Happy New Year. I went New Year, and
Speaker 1: they went, okay, fair enough, Yeah I hear you.
Speaker 2: But you know what, no, because I have decided, okay
Speaker 2: that for this year, my plan is to move forward
Speaker 2: being as intentionally like good and fabulous and positive as
Speaker 2: I can be, because the alternative just like being angry
Speaker 2: and sad and depressed and whatever.
Speaker 1: Like for what. Well, I mean, I agree with you.
Speaker 1: You know, there's the whole jack boots in the street
Speaker 1: thing that is a little unsettling. But no, I get
Speaker 1: that we'll find out. But yeah, no, I mean I
Speaker 1: think that's you know, that's been the theme of the
Speaker 1: talking I've done since November is you know, we are
Speaker 1: stronger together. We are stronger when we stand in community.
Speaker 1: We are stronger when we stand up for one another
Speaker 1: as part of the same community. Correct, I invite the
Speaker 1: other letters to join.
Speaker 2: Me, and I am by no means suggesting that I'm
Speaker 2: you know, going to ignore what's going on because I can't.
Speaker 1: It's time we capitalize the ta y'all right, because you know,
Speaker 1: none of those letters are silent, none of them should be.
Speaker 1: And you know we've had a long and storied history
Speaker 1: of dealing with one another throughout the acronym. And you know,
Speaker 1: what comes to me today is very likely to come
Speaker 1: to you tomorrow. You know, let's let's us learn something
Speaker 1: from history if no one else exactly cared to because
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's going to be interesting. We know
Speaker 1: that as Suppo as the electorate is concerned, we're not
Speaker 1: the priority. But god damn it, you know that's this
Speaker 1: seems to be. They have such a hot nut for us,
Speaker 1: and it's just incredible, it's truly breathtaking, like a.
Speaker 2: Record number of new pieces of anti transit.
Speaker 1: Bush and now they get to play with fuck around
Speaker 1: on the federal level. Eighty one Democrats joined them, you know,
Speaker 1: in the National Defense Bill and Biden signed it. So yeah,
Speaker 1: plenty of disappointment to go around right now.
Speaker 2: It's true.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got you know, you know, I really hope
Speaker 1: we figure out at some point we're talking about human beings.
Speaker 1: We are not talking about politics. We're talking about lives.
Speaker 2: Right, not theoretical people either.
Speaker 1: Yeah, not theoretical people. You don't know more than the doctors.
Speaker 1: You don't know more than the expect You don't know
Speaker 1: more than us about who we are. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: just anyway sick of hearing it. We're still gonna have
Speaker 1: to talk about a few things. But I think that's
Speaker 1: why I'm surly.
Speaker 2: I'm just I know, and I'm over here like, let's
Speaker 2: just shine our light well, and you know I'm working
Speaker 2: on that. I know.
Speaker 1: I shine my light of a goddamn day.
Speaker 2: I know you do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's Sunday. It's one I don't feel shining. I
Speaker 1: do not feel shining.
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Speaker 2: Tears and the eternal search for consistent sanity and intelligence
Speaker 2: on the Internet. This story is about a certain motherfucker
Speaker 2: who actually is the reason why this segment exists. Little
Speaker 2: Miss George Santos is back in the goddamn news. The
Speaker 2: headline in LGBTQ Nation reads. Federal judge smacks down George
Speaker 2: Santos's attempt to delay sentencing until August to record podcasts.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yes, the podcast sphere is wide open to everyone. But bitch,
Speaker 2: we don't need you. You got other things you need to
Speaker 2: be doing, like taking your ass to jail. So George Santos,
Speaker 2: who is a former US House representative, in case y'all forgot,
Speaker 2: he was there all of five minutes before we found
Speaker 2: out that he lied about everything, everything, everything, Who he is,
Speaker 2: who he was, who he will be, where he worked,
Speaker 2: where he didn't work, who his mama and daddy is,
Speaker 2: where they're from, who they are, what they are. He
Speaker 2: lied about everything, and you know, again, the jury is
Speaker 2: still out. I'm waiting for my confirmation that he's not
Speaker 2: even really human. He is a stack of twelve raccoons
Speaker 2: wearing a trench coat. Because lied about everything. So he
Speaker 2: was ousted. He was indicted for fraud using campaign funds
Speaker 2: for personal things like only fans, subscriptions, and clothes and
Speaker 2: just messy queen, Messy messy queen. This bitch said he
Speaker 2: needed more time to pay his criminal fines using earnings
Speaker 2: from his recently launched podcast, Pants on Fire. With George Santos.
Speaker 2: He called it pants on fire. That's more egregious than
Speaker 2: OJ Simpson's If I Did It book, But anyway. His
Speaker 2: sentencing was originally scheduled to occur next month, but he
Speaker 2: wants to have until August to give him time to
Speaker 2: pay off the two one hundred and five thousand dollars
Speaker 2: that he owes in forfeiture He plugged guilty to wire
Speaker 2: fraud and aggravated identity theft. District Court Judge Joanna Sebert
Speaker 2: only allowed the sentencing to be delayed until April twenty fifth,
Speaker 2: noting that he hasn't made any payments toward the amount
Speaker 2: he owes despite his promises and predictions since pleading guilty.
Speaker 2: I hope y'all didn't think that he was going to
Speaker 2: do something he said he was going to, especially in
Speaker 2: terms of paying his bills, because he ain't never never, never, never,
Speaker 2: never never. In recent court hearing, Santos's lawyers argued that
Speaker 2: he deserved a delay in sentencing and now that he
Speaker 2: has quote a viable path to pay the fine through
Speaker 2: the quote promising revenue stream of his podcast, which was
Speaker 2: launched just last month. I'm sorry there are individuals out
Speaker 2: there who are making a more than a decent living
Speaker 2: as a podcaster. But to make plans on future revenue
Speaker 2: from a podcast, no matter who you are, that's not
Speaker 2: a good plan, booboo. You may as well just be
Speaker 2: like when my tax refund comes, or when I hit
Speaker 2: the lottery, or when Ray Ray give me back my
Speaker 2: fifty bucks. You know what I'm saying, Like Charle, but
Speaker 2: no integrity, no shame, So why am I surprised? Prosecutors
Speaker 2: argued that Santos had sufficient time to secure the funds
Speaker 2: to pay his two hundred and five thousand dollars fine.
Speaker 2: I just feel like that number of bears. Repeating They
Speaker 2: called his claims of being able to pay the fines
Speaker 2: through his podcast speculative hello, and said that delaying sentencing
Speaker 2: could set quote a perverse incentive structure that rewards famous defendants.
Speaker 2: Despite this, the judge said she'd delay his sentencing as
Speaker 2: a one time courtesy. I'll give you a little bit
Speaker 2: of time. She knows he ain't gonna come through, because
Speaker 2: why would this be any different? In August, Santos admitted
Speaker 2: to using another person's identity and credit cards, as well
Speaker 2: as campaign funds, as we said, for his own personal benefit.
Speaker 2: He originally faced twenty three federal charges of campaign finance fraud,
Speaker 2: including wire fraud, identity the fey laundering, theft of public funds,
Speaker 2: making materially false statements to both the Federal Election Commission
Speaker 2: and the US House of Representatives. He initially pleaded not
Speaker 2: guilty to all charges, calling them a baseless witch hunt,
Speaker 2: but then later accepted a plea deal because he didn't
Speaker 2: want to go to trial and possibly suffered decades of
Speaker 2: prison time because you did that shit, baby, we can
Speaker 2: see you now. In addition to his two hundred and
Speaker 2: five thousand dollars fine, he also owes an additional three
Speaker 2: hundred and seventy five thousand dollars in restitution and could
Speaker 2: face up to eight years in prison for his criminal misdealings.
Speaker 2: Miss Things says, it's clear to me now that I
Speaker 2: allowed ambition to cloud my judgment, leading me to make
Speaker 2: decisions that were unethical and guilty. It's clear to you now,
Speaker 2: Bit you knew you are messy, stunt queen. Pleading guilty
Speaker 2: is a step I never imagined I'd take a bet,
Speaker 2: but it is a necessary one because it is the
Speaker 2: right thing to do. Yeah huh. It's not only a
Speaker 2: recognition of my misrepresentation to others, but more profoundly, it
Speaker 2: is my own recognition of the lies I told myself
Speaker 2: over these past years. Bitch, you wrote this for you.
Speaker 2: I don't believe you wrote that. I don't believe you
Speaker 2: know how to write. I don't believe you went to
Speaker 2: school because raccoons can't write. So yeah, no one believes
Speaker 2: anything this person has to say about anything, ever, And
Speaker 2: the fact that you're even getting until April is very very,
Speaker 2: very very kind. And pardon me while I utter a
Speaker 2: healthy gufar guffar as we revel in this latest installment of.
Speaker 1: Joy, people taking pleasure and rio Qurte has welcomed to
Speaker 1: the full circle.
Speaker 22: Thank you, it's o good to be here. Thanks for
Speaker 22: having me out a.
Speaker 1: Time when books are being either banned or burned or both.
Speaker 1: Where do I love this one?
Speaker 2: Exactly? I was like, ooh, this this book is going
Speaker 2: to be called woke, all left, right, and sideway. Yes,
Speaker 2: I mean that's perfect.
Speaker 1: I assume you're prepared for that, right.
Speaker 22: I Actually, I'm so glad that we're talking. This is
Speaker 22: the first time that we really been able to talk
Speaker 22: about like our political reality alongside this book. Surprisingly, and
Speaker 22: it's true, like with the ABC's of Black History, it
Speaker 22: was it was banned in Miami, Florida, but and the
Speaker 22: ABC's were history.
Speaker 2: We talk a lot.
Speaker 22: About shadow banning, where even if people aren't banning the book,
Speaker 22: that merchandisers and retailers aren't taking a big position on
Speaker 22: the book because they don't want to deal with their customers,
Speaker 22: and so it's like a shadow like it's quietly banned
Speaker 22: in a way because they're not putting it out on
Speaker 22: the shelves, you know, because they don't want to engage
Speaker 22: in like volatile discourse with folks who come in the store.
Speaker 22: And so I think that's also happening all the time,
Speaker 22: especially with queer centered books. But with women's history, I feel, yeah,
Speaker 22: basically at there ready because there were certain things that
Speaker 22: I think, are you have to that were unavoidable for
Speaker 22: me to talk about in the book, like consent for example,
Speaker 22: or choice to include trans women in the story of
Speaker 22: women's history. All these things that I imagine and I
Speaker 22: anticipate that somebody out there is gonna have an issue with.
Speaker 22: So it hasn't happened, I mean, it just came out,
Speaker 22: So I don't know, but the world is magically a
Speaker 22: better place. But there are positions that I felt really
Speaker 22: strongly about taking in the book that, yeah, that I
Speaker 22: feel like I'm prepared for a little bit of opposition about.
Speaker 1: Which is sad but a reality right now exactly of
Speaker 1: the current discourse, which is upside down and insane. I mean,
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty four was supposed to be a warning, not
Speaker 1: a house to you got guidebook right, but you did
Speaker 1: touch on those things. And as I read through the book,
Speaker 1: you talk about so many powerful women through history. It
Speaker 1: wasn't until I got until the very end when I
Speaker 1: realized there was a section on you know, terms and figures.
Speaker 1: But as I went through and you mentioned these names,
Speaker 1: I thought, what a great primer, you know, for a
Speaker 1: parent to teach more right, to say, just to put
Speaker 1: a spark kind of on every page, like who are
Speaker 1: these women? When did they live, what did they do?
Speaker 1: And you provide, you know, a pretty concise piece in
Speaker 1: the in the back to read about the women who
Speaker 1: are mentioned in the book. But I still think, you know,
Speaker 1: talk about your mom, Tarles, what she used to do.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so my I'm biracial. My mother was white.
Speaker 2: My father was black, and my mom wanted to make
Speaker 2: sure that, you know, I was versed in black history,
Speaker 2: so she would bring these We had these black history
Speaker 2: calendars and each month was a different figure and so
Speaker 2: like she made me write like a couple of paragraphs
Speaker 2: about each person. Maybe you know, so that's why I
Speaker 2: know who like Sojournal Truth and Benjamin Banner and those
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. And these things are important
Speaker 2: for parents to make sure that your kids, you know,
Speaker 2: have more than what they will be fed in school.
Speaker 22: Yeah, oh I love that. I love that your mom
Speaker 22: did that.
Speaker 17: Yeah.
Speaker 22: Absolutely, And I feel like, thank you for acknowledging the
Speaker 22: back matter. Takes a lot of time to create that
Speaker 22: as a resource, but I feel like it's so important
Speaker 22: because you would go and I really hope, I mean,
Speaker 22: I don't hope that there are people no one knows,
Speaker 22: but I love when there are moments where you encounter
Speaker 22: a name that you've never heard before you're like, oh,
Speaker 22: let me, actually I don't know who that is, like
Speaker 22: whether you're with the young person or not, like, let
Speaker 22: me look at the back and see. I think those
Speaker 22: moments are discovery is kind of what you're hoping for
Speaker 22: when we create a text like this.
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