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<v Speaker 1>Hi Taboo Science listeners. This show is still on Hiatus.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm brewing up some ideas for a new season as

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<v Speaker 1>we speak, but for now, I wanted to turn you

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<v Speaker 1>on to another show you might like. It's called Cramped.

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<v Speaker 1>It's an investigative podcast that answers the question why are

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<v Speaker 1>so many people with uteruses in unexplained and untreated pain.

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<v Speaker 1>It's hosted by Kate Helen Downeye, who experiences this pain herself.

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<v Speaker 1>It's something called severe dysminerihea, which sounds very official until

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<v Speaker 1>you find out it just means really painful periods. Throughout

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<v Speaker 1>the season, Kate interviews experts and other uterus has to

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<v Speaker 1>get to the bottom of what causes this debilitating pain

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<v Speaker 1>and how she and others might find relief. Spoiler alert,

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<v Speaker 1>she does get a diagnosis, so look forward to that.

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<v Speaker 1>I absolutely love this podcast and I think you will too,

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<v Speaker 1>So without further ado, here's the first episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Enjoy.

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<v Speaker 3>When I say I get really bad cramps. What does

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<v Speaker 3>that look like to you? Maybe you get a picture

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<v Speaker 3>in your head from a TV show or a movie. Oh,

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<v Speaker 3>my period, You're all fired. Maybe you think of the

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<v Speaker 3>stock image that pops up if you google image search

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<v Speaker 3>period cramps. A young, thin, white woman sitting bent over

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<v Speaker 3>on a couch and wincing, wearing jeans. For some reason,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe you're like me, and you know this twisting, horrific

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<v Speaker 3>pain that comes in waves and just doesn't stop. Maybe

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<v Speaker 3>you know what it's like to spend a day or

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<v Speaker 3>two dead to the world outside the bathroom floor. Unless

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<v Speaker 3>you personally have experienced this pain, or you are very

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<v Speaker 3>close to someone who does experience it, like close enough

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<v Speaker 3>to actually see with your eyes what it does to them,

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<v Speaker 3>you're probably thinking this is not a big deal. This

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<v Speaker 3>is cramps. Everybody gets cramps. Respectfully, buckle up. I want

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<v Speaker 3>to tell you about just one of the times my

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<v Speaker 3>cramps really fucked up my life. And this probably goes

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<v Speaker 3>without saying since this is a podcast explicitly about period cramps.

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<v Speaker 3>But this episode has graphic descriptions of menstruation, blood, and

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<v Speaker 3>other bodily functions. So if that doesn't work for you,

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<v Speaker 3>that's fine, just this is not the podcast for you.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the Lunch Rush at Upstairs on the Square in

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<v Speaker 3>Harvard Square and Cambridge. It's kind of a manic Pixie

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<v Speaker 3>dream restaurant. It's got pink walls and zebra striped banquettes,

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<v Speaker 3>but also old school wood. The waiters wear black pants

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<v Speaker 3>and crisp white button downs and fun ties. I'm twenty two,

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<v Speaker 3>and this is by far the fanciest and best paying

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<v Speaker 3>waitressing job I'd ever had in my short career. I

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<v Speaker 3>barely absorbed any of the wine training, and I still

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<v Speaker 3>don't remember which fork goes where in the place settings.

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<v Speaker 3>We are slammed, and I am at the pos system,

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<v Speaker 3>putting in entree orders for my big table, sweating and

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<v Speaker 3>desperately trying to remember if the guy with a mustache

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<v Speaker 3>wanted a Caesar or a Vinaigret dressing. When I realized

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<v Speaker 3>something that makes my heart stop. I have cramps. I

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<v Speaker 3>have been focusing on getting all the details right on

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<v Speaker 3>lunch service so I can have one day where the

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<v Speaker 3>chef doesn't yell at me, and I missed the crucial

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<v Speaker 3>early signs that dull backache and upset stomach chills. And

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<v Speaker 3>these aren't just regular cramps. The pain in my belly

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<v Speaker 3>that I just felt means I'm about to have what

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<v Speaker 3>I call death cramps, and there's nothing I can do

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<v Speaker 3>about it. It's too late for ibuprofen. I realize that

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<v Speaker 3>the layer of sweat over my whole body right now

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<v Speaker 3>isn't because I've been hustling between my tables. It's because

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<v Speaker 3>I'm starting to have a full body reaction to whatever

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<v Speaker 3>my uterus is doing. The pressure in my gut isn't

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<v Speaker 3>because I chugged an entire pint of diet coke during

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<v Speaker 3>service prep. It's because I'm going to start throwing up

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<v Speaker 3>any second now. The weakness I'm feeling in my legs

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<v Speaker 3>isn't because these dance coat clogs are so bad for

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<v Speaker 3>climbing the stairs to the second floor dining room. It's

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<v Speaker 3>because I'm going to pass out from the pain shortly

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<v Speaker 3>after I throw up. And I have four tables at

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<v Speaker 3>varying stages of fancy multi course lunches, drinks up at

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<v Speaker 3>the bar, and special requests to verbalize to the kitchen

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<v Speaker 3>that they are probably not going to appreciate, and four

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<v Speaker 3>seasoned waiters who already treat me like an annoying little sister.

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<v Speaker 3>But unless I want to throw up on the quirky

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<v Speaker 3>polka dot rug, I don't have a choice. I find

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<v Speaker 3>the waiter who has been the nicest to me, even

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<v Speaker 3>though I know it's because he's going to try to

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<v Speaker 3>sleep with me, and I say very quickly, I'm sick.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm so sorry. Can you please cover my tables? A

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<v Speaker 3>fourteen wants no dairy any taliatel? Can you tell the kitchen.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm so sorry, it's an emergency, and I lock myself

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<v Speaker 3>in the employee bathroom. I take off my stupid white

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<v Speaker 3>button down and my black dress pants and I hang

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<v Speaker 3>them up on the coat hook so they won't get

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<v Speaker 3>drenched in sweat, and I kneel in front of the

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<v Speaker 3>toilet just as the heaving starts, knowing I'm in for

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<v Speaker 3>between one and six hours of hell. I come back

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<v Speaker 3>to consciousness on the floor of the employee bathroom because

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<v Speaker 3>someone is pounding on the door and yelling my name.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm groggy, but the cramps have stopped, as have the

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<v Speaker 3>alternating waves of vomiting and diarrhea. I say, I'm okay, sorry,

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<v Speaker 3>coming out in a second, just so they'll stop making noise.

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<v Speaker 3>I sit up and behind me on the bathroom floor,

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<v Speaker 3>there's a perfect outline of my body in sweat. My

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<v Speaker 3>hair is soaked, my muscles are rubbery as I stand up,

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<v Speaker 3>my abs and my back are sore from all the puking,

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<v Speaker 3>and my forearms are sore, and I know i'll have

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<v Speaker 3>bruises tomorrow from where I leaned too hard on the

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<v Speaker 3>edge of the toilet. But I feel the kind of

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<v Speaker 3>amazing that you only feel when intense pain has finally

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<v Speaker 3>gone away. I am so relieved to not be in

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<v Speaker 3>that nightmare of pain anymore. I don't have my phone

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<v Speaker 3>on me, and there's no window, so I have no

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<v Speaker 3>idea how long I've been locked in the only employee bathroom.

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<v Speaker 3>My first feeling is guilt that a bunch of waiters

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<v Speaker 3>picked up my slack while holding their pee, and then

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<v Speaker 3>embarrassment that so many people know I was locked in

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<v Speaker 3>the bathroom for hours. I wonder if they all think

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<v Speaker 3>I was doing drugs in here, and if that will

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<v Speaker 3>make me cooler or less cool in their eyes. I

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<v Speaker 3>put my pants and my white button down back on,

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<v Speaker 3>which is hard because I'm so sweaty. It's like trying

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<v Speaker 3>to put your clothes back on after getting out of

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<v Speaker 3>the ocean. I come out and the manager, who's a woman,

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<v Speaker 3>is standing there. She's definitely concerned, but I can also

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<v Speaker 3>see a look of annoyance and impatience, like right behind

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<v Speaker 3>the concern, I am immediately in smooth it over mode.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm so sorry I was having an emergency. Uh no,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't need you to call an ambulance. Everything's okay now.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm so sorry it happened at work. I really appreciate

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<v Speaker 3>everyone covering for me. I'm okay now. I said whatever

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<v Speaker 3>I needed to say in order to keep my job.

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<v Speaker 3>Take two buses back to my apartment, and sleep for

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<v Speaker 3>the next twelve hours. Since I was fourteen, I've never

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<v Speaker 3>known why I am in so much pain when I

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<v Speaker 3>get my period. I've never had a diagnosis, and I've

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<v Speaker 3>never really found a treatment that helps. This podcast is

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<v Speaker 3>my search for answers to some of the most basic

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<v Speaker 3>questions about my body.

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<v Speaker 4>Morning sickness and the materiosis, menopause, migraines, b CEO, that's

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<v Speaker 4>happening to your body?

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<v Speaker 2>We don't know because we've.

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<v Speaker 4>Never really studied the female body, so it's all in

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<v Speaker 4>my head when the research is quite sunny. No, we

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<v Speaker 4>never really studied the female.

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<v Speaker 2>Buddy, I go to the doctor to get dismissed.

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<v Speaker 5>Try to losing weight.

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<v Speaker 6>You're just anxious.

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<v Speaker 2>That's my medical I'm not pissed.

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<v Speaker 4>Just wait ten years for a diagnosis. Psychosomatic you're so dramatic, hysterical, emotional, hormonal, eerotic,

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<v Speaker 4>heart disease, chronic fatigue, depression, and anxiety.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you have pain?

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<v Speaker 4>No, you don't.

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<v Speaker 2>You've never really studied the female fund.

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<v Speaker 3>Hi. I'm Kate, and that's what it's like when I

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<v Speaker 3>have death cramps. At least that's what I've always called them,

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<v Speaker 3>because really bad cramps didn't quite do them justice. Now

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<v Speaker 3>I know that the medical term for really bad cramps

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<v Speaker 3>is dismnareea. It's happened to me since I was fourteen,

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<v Speaker 3>right after getting my period, but it's not what I

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<v Speaker 3>experience every single month. Sometimes I just have your basic

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<v Speaker 3>run of the mill cramps, which also suck, by the way,

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<v Speaker 3>but they don't ruin my life. Sometimes it escalates into

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<v Speaker 3>death cramps, and sometimes it doesn't, with no pattern or

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<v Speaker 3>trigger that I have ever been able to identify, which

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<v Speaker 3>is just a super fun game of chicken to play

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<v Speaker 3>with your uterus twelve times a year for twenty plus years.

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<v Speaker 3>So I just said that the medical term for my

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<v Speaker 3>death cramps is dysmenoriea, but that's not exactly accurate. The

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<v Speaker 3>term dismenoreea comes from Greek dis meaning difficult, painful or

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<v Speaker 3>abnormal meno meaning month and rhea meaning flow, so literally

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<v Speaker 3>painful monthly flow. So dos menarea can mean any pain

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<v Speaker 3>you have related to your period, like quote unquote normal cramps,

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<v Speaker 3>and then sometimes people will use it to describe severe

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<v Speaker 3>or abnormal amounts of pain related to your period, like

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<v Speaker 3>my death cramps, and sometimes doctors will use the term

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<v Speaker 3>severe dismnerya for a death cramps kind of pain. How

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<v Speaker 3>someone uses the term mostly comes down to what they

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<v Speaker 3>consider a normal amount of period pain, and there's no

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<v Speaker 3>real consensus for that because we just don't talk about

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<v Speaker 3>it enough to have a sense of normal. Now, aside

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<v Speaker 3>from this mysterious period pain, I am pretty much healthy

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<v Speaker 3>across the board, and not to brag. And my mother

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<v Speaker 3>never experienced this level of pain with her period, so obviously,

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<v Speaker 3>after the first time I experienced this insane pain, we

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<v Speaker 3>went to a doctor. I expected some answers that would

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<v Speaker 3>make this pain make sense, like I had appendicitis or

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<v Speaker 3>some kind of horrible infection. It's kind of rooting for

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<v Speaker 3>horrible infection, you know that, doctor, I am not kidding.

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<v Speaker 3>You told me. Yeah, some women get painful, but they

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<v Speaker 3>usually go away when you have your first baby, which

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<v Speaker 3>is such an unhelpful thing to say to a fourteen

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<v Speaker 3>year old. Over the last twenty two years, in many

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<v Speaker 3>different cities, with many different insurances, after many ultrasounds and

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<v Speaker 3>tests to rule out the obvious potential causes, I have

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<v Speaker 3>never gotten answers or a diagnosis. For a long time,

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't talk to people about my death cramps. The

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<v Speaker 3>reactions I got from my parents, the school nurses, and

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<v Speaker 3>my doctors early on all communicated to me that this

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<v Speaker 3>was just some freak thing my weird body was doing,

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<v Speaker 3>that they didn't know anything about this, that they had

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<v Speaker 3>never heard of this happening to someone. I didn't talk

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<v Speaker 3>about it because I was afraid of it, and I

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<v Speaker 3>was embarrassed about it, and I was ashamed that my

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<v Speaker 3>body didn't work right. It was so scary to be

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<v Speaker 3>in the worst pain I'd ever been in in my

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<v Speaker 3>life but not know why, and have doctors not know

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<v Speaker 3>why that I just tried to forget about it every

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<v Speaker 3>time it happen. And when I finally started talking to

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<v Speaker 3>more people about my death cramps, I was shocked at

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<v Speaker 3>how many times someone would say, oh my god, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I get those two. Oh my god. I thought I

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<v Speaker 3>was the only one men who would say. I had

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<v Speaker 3>a girlfriend who had that. She never knew what it was,

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<v Speaker 3>but it was scary. I couldn't believe all these people

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<v Speaker 3>more now about the experiences of others who have less

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<v Speaker 3>who experienced his Manaea to feel isolated like I did,

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<v Speaker 3>to feel like their bodies are wrong or weird, to

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<v Speaker 3>to get these answers for myself, and then I want

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<v Speaker 3>to share them with anyone else looking for answers, or

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<v Speaker 3>for me to get them. My first and most obvious

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<v Speaker 3>question is what even are cramps. I know that the

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<v Speaker 3>uterus has muscles, and when it needs to squeeze the

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<v Speaker 3>blood out because a fertilized egg has not shown up

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<v Speaker 3>to grow into a baby, the muscles contract, But what

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<v Speaker 3>makes the muscles contract and why does it hurt so much?

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<v Speaker 3>After reading a bunch of medical papers and googling a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of medical definitions, here's how it works. Hormones run

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<v Speaker 3>the show when it comes to periods duh. After an

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<v Speaker 3>egg is released from an ovary ovulation, the ovary makes

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<v Speaker 3>a hormone called progesterone. Progesterone signals to the lining of

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<v Speaker 3>to house of fetus. If a fertilized egg doesn't show up,

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<v Speaker 3>the ovary stops making progesterone, basically saying never mind. This

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<v Speaker 3>drop in progesterone signals a new player to show up

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<v Speaker 3>on the scene. Prostaglandins. I had never heard of prostaglandins

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<v Speaker 3>before I started doing my recent but they are huge

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<v Speaker 3>players in the period paying games. Prostaglandins aren't officially a hormone,

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<v Speaker 3>but they also do a lot of signaling. Their job

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<v Speaker 3>across the whole body is to show up when there's

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<v Speaker 3>an injury or damage bind to the prostaglandin receptors and

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<v Speaker 3>trigger reactions. So we've got progesterone dipping, prostaglandin's getting released

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<v Speaker 3>into the bloodstream. Those prostaglandins then hurry over to the uterus.

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<v Speaker 3>They bind with the prostaglandin receptors in the muscle, and

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<v Speaker 3>they tell the muscle to contract or squeeze. That squeezing

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<v Speaker 3>is what pushes out the blood and tissue that's been

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<v Speaker 3>building up in the uterus ever since ovulation. Without that

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<v Speaker 3>muscle contracting, there wouldn't be a way to clear out

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<v Speaker 3>the uterus. So it can try again next month. So

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<v Speaker 3>there's nothing wrong with prostaglandins making the uterus contract. That's

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<v Speaker 3>everything going according to plan. And because that muscle is

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<v Speaker 3>contracting and working hard, some mild aching and soreness can happen,

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<v Speaker 3>just like if any muscle is working hard. But sometimes

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<v Speaker 3>for some people things start to go off the rails.

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<v Speaker 3>Too many prostaglandins might get released, and they're all screaming

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<v Speaker 3>at the muscle of the uterus to cramp, cramp, cramp,

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<v Speaker 3>and so instead of squeezing and releasing like normal, the

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<v Speaker 3>muscle just squeezes and squeezes and squeezes until the muscle

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<v Speaker 3>is so constricted that the blood vessels can't get fresh

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<v Speaker 3>oxygenated blood to parts of the muscle. Muscle cells will

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<v Speaker 3>die if they can't get oxygen, so they really want

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<v Speaker 3>to bring attention to this problem by causing pain. This

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<v Speaker 3>is called ischemia, and it hurts like a motherfucker no

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<v Speaker 3>matter where it happens in your body. When it happens

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<v Speaker 3>in other muscles, it's called a Charlie horse. This is

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<v Speaker 3>actually a useful pain, or what medicine calls adaptive pain.

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<v Speaker 3>If you can shift positions to increase blood flow or

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<v Speaker 3>like shake out the cramp, that helps get more oxygen

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<v Speaker 3>to the spot that needs it. But when it's happening

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<v Speaker 3>in your uterus, you can't do much about that. Prostaglandins

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<v Speaker 3>are also responsible for period poops because when they flood

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<v Speaker 3>into the bloodstream at super high levels, they don't stop

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<v Speaker 3>at the uterus. They also bind with receptors in the colon,

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<v Speaker 3>and they make the muscles in your colon contract too.

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<v Speaker 3>Same deal for vomiting. For those lucky individuals who sometimes

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<v Speaker 3>throw up when we get cramps, those prostaglandins are binding

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<v Speaker 3>with receptors in our stomach muscles and causing a vomiting reaction.

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<v Speaker 3>Fun staff. One more thing about prostaglandins, the reason ibuprofen

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<v Speaker 3>and other n sids or non steroidal anti inflammatory medications

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<v Speaker 3>can be so helpful for period cramps is that they

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<v Speaker 3>can lower the amount of prostaglandins you produce. They also

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<v Speaker 3>bind with the proseaclanin receptors, blocking the prostaglandins from signaling

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<v Speaker 3>to the muscles to cramp. They are the heroes of

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<v Speaker 3>this story. But this is the first of many times

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<v Speaker 3>in my research my mind got blown. I've been taking

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<v Speaker 3>hyboprofen wrong my whole life. I've always taken it when

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<v Speaker 3>I feel my cramps starting. It hurts, so you take

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<v Speaker 3>the medicine to make it stop hurting. Right In the

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<v Speaker 3>case of cramps and iberprofen wrong. If you take hyberprofin

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<v Speaker 3>after your cramps have already started, you're kind of too late.

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<v Speaker 3>The prostaglandins are already swimming around in your bloodstream and

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<v Speaker 3>binding with receptors. The key is to take the hyberprofen

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<v Speaker 3>before your period is even supposed to start. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>that means tracking your period and starting to pop a

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<v Speaker 3>few iboprofen forty eight hours before you expect to get

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<v Speaker 3>your period. That way, the iberprofen is already binding to

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<v Speaker 3>those receptors and reducing prostaglanin production before it even starts.

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<v Speaker 3>And sure, if the cramps aren't too bad, you can

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<v Speaker 3>probably just deal with the discomfort until the hyperprofen kicks

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<v Speaker 3>in aka catches up to the prostaglandins and the receptors.

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<v Speaker 3>But if you're like me, taking the hyberprofen after cramps

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<v Speaker 3>have already started might be too late. There might already

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<v Speaker 3>be enough prostaglandins in your bloodstream binding to receptors to

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<v Speaker 3>cause vomiting, which means you can't keep any more meds down.

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<v Speaker 3>So for me, taking iyberprofin prophylactically or before I need

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<v Speaker 3>it is a huge life stay. And just a quick

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<v Speaker 3>disclaimer here, I am not a doctor. I'm just a

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<v Speaker 3>research nerd with a microphone and a uterus telling you

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<v Speaker 3>things I learned. This is not medical advice. So prostaglandins

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<v Speaker 3>cause cramps and Iberprofen blocks prostaglandins. Oh my god, I

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<v Speaker 3>think we did it, you guys. Medical mystery solved. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>that'd be great. If the answer for all severe period

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<v Speaker 3>pain was just take iberprofen, it'd be a pretty short

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<v Speaker 3>podcast series. Unfortunately, as helpful as Iberprofen can be, it

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't work for everybody all the time. For some people

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<v Speaker 3>like me, it might help sometimes and then other times

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<v Speaker 3>do nothing at all. So how do you find out

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<v Speaker 3>what's going on? Why do some of us produce so

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<v Speaker 3>many prostaglandins. Why would cramps be normal some months and

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<v Speaker 3>completely debilitating other months? These are questions I could not

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<v Speaker 3>find the answers to in my research, so I brought

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<v Speaker 3>in an expert. We're going to take a quick break

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<v Speaker 3>and when we come back. I talked to doctor Karen Tang, gynecologist, author,

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<v Speaker 3>and TikToker about what severe period pain like mine could mean.

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<v Speaker 2>Because we've never really started a female.

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<v Speaker 3>Fund adding welcome back to Krampt. After doing all the

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<v Speaker 3>research I could do on my own into what's actually

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<v Speaker 3>happening inside my body when I have death cramps, I

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<v Speaker 3>went to an expert with my unanswered questions.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm doctor Karen Tang, I'm a Bortzer gynecologist. I do

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of talking and social media, and I have

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<v Speaker 2>a book called It's Not Hysteria. Everything you Need to

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<v Speaker 2>Know about your reproductive health. But we're never.

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<v Speaker 3>Told when we get into the kind of severe dismentaria

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<v Speaker 3>that I experience, where it is debilitating pain. I am

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<v Speaker 3>throwing up every ten minutes, even though there's nothing left

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<v Speaker 3>in my stomach, I'm having diarrhea, I'm passing out. Is

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<v Speaker 3>that just the regular pain turned up or is something

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<v Speaker 3>physiologically different happening inside my body?

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<v Speaker 2>So whenever somebody's having that degree of pain, we always

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<v Speaker 2>start to think what else could be going on? That's

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<v Speaker 2>obviously not normal. So anytime something is affecting your ability

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<v Speaker 2>we start to think, is it not just run of

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<v Speaker 2>the mill cramps anymore? Could it be something like enemy triosis,

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<v Speaker 2>which is probably the most common cause of really bad,

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<v Speaker 2>painful cramps, or fibroids, add innomiosis.

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<v Speaker 3>There's lots of underlying conditions that could cause period pain

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<v Speaker 3>to be excruciating. Let's lay them out real quick, and

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<v Speaker 3>of how easy they are to identify and get treatment for.

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<v Speaker 3>Ovarian cysts. Ovarian cysts are little fluid filled sacs that

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<v Speaker 3>form on your ovaries. These can be a totally normal

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<v Speaker 3>part of ovulation, and little cysts can just go away

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<v Speaker 3>by themselves, but if they become a problem, if they

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<v Speaker 3>get too big or there's too many of them. It

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<v Speaker 3>can cause ovarian torsion, which means the ovary twists, and

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<v Speaker 3>it can rupture a fallopian tube. Ovarian cysts can also burns.

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<v Speaker 3>It can cause fever, sharp pain, nausea. Many people mistake

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<v Speaker 3>the feeling of an ovarian cyst rupturing for an appendix bursting.

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<v Speaker 3>That's how much it can hurt. Cysts can usually be

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<v Speaker 3>found on a pelvic ultrasound, so that makes it pretty

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<v Speaker 3>easy to spot. Fibroids. Fibroids are non cancerous tumors that

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<v Speaker 3>grow inside the uterus. They can be teeny tiny, like

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<v Speaker 3>the size of a seed, or as big as a watermelon,

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<v Speaker 3>which is terrifying. Some people have fibroids that don't cause

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<v Speaker 3>any symptoms at all, and some people have fibroids that

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<v Speaker 3>cause enormous pain. Fibroids most often cause heavy, painful periods

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<v Speaker 3>and pelvic pain in general, but it can also cause

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<v Speaker 3>pain in your stomach and your low back, or pain

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<v Speaker 3>during sex. Fibroids are incredibly common. Up to seventy seven

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<v Speaker 3>percent of people with uteruses will develop fibroids before menopause,

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<v Speaker 3>and yet despite how common they are, we still don't

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<v Speaker 3>know what causes them. Fibroids usually show up on a

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<v Speaker 3>pelvic ultrasound, but you can also get an MRI or

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<v Speaker 3>something called a hysteroscopy, which is a little camera that

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<v Speaker 3>goes up into the uterus. They might need to do

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<v Speaker 3>different kinds of imaging to get a good picture of it.

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<v Speaker 3>EC topic pregnancy Okay, this one usually doesn't cause painful

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<v Speaker 3>period cramps because you don't get your period because you're pregnant,

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<v Speaker 3>but it does cause pain that you might mistake for

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<v Speaker 3>period pain. An Ectopic pregnancy is when a fertilized egg

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<v Speaker 3>implants somewhere outside the uterus, usually in the philopian tube,

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<v Speaker 3>and starts growing. These pregnancies are non viable. The fetus

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<v Speaker 3>cannot survive and as it grows, it will burst the

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<v Speaker 3>filopian tube around six to eight weeks. That causes internal

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<v Speaker 3>bleeding and that can be fatal. Weirdly, one of the

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<v Speaker 3>things to look out for is shoulder pain because of

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<v Speaker 3>watch out for that. You can see an ectopic pregnancy

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<v Speaker 3>on an ultrasound, and usually they'll also do a blood

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<v Speaker 3>test to confirm the pregnancy. IUD issues if you have

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<v Speaker 3>your period or not, get to a doctor. It's very rare,

415
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<v Speaker 3>but it is possible for an IUD to pierce the

416
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<v Speaker 3>wall of your uterus. It's called perforation, and it's really bad.

417
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<v Speaker 3>If a doctor suspects an IUD perforation, they will first

418
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<v Speaker 3>do a manual exam and check for the IUD strings.

419
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<v Speaker 3>If they can't find them, then they'll do an ultrasound

420
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<v Speaker 3>to locate the IUD. Uterine abnormalities Okay, I didn't know

421
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<v Speaker 3>this until today, but uteruses can be lots of different shapes.

422
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<v Speaker 3>There's quote unquote normal uteruses, but then there's also dysmorphic,

423
00:23:32.359 --> 00:23:36.279
<v Speaker 3>which is T shaped, bi corporeal, and septate, heart shaped

424
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<v Speaker 3>or hemi sort of one sided. Usually these different shapes

425
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<v Speaker 3>of the uterus don't cause problems or pain, although some

426
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<v Speaker 3>shapes may make it harder to conceive, so most people

427
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<v Speaker 3>with uterine abnormalities don't find out about it until they're

428
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<v Speaker 3>investigating a fertility issue. But there are some abnormalities that

429
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<v Speaker 3>cause period blood to be trapped inside one part of

430
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<v Speaker 3>the uterus with no way to get out, and that

431
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<v Speaker 3>can cause severe pain. See a uterine abnormality through an ultrasound,

432
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<v Speaker 3>an MRI, or a histeroscopy, or a combination of all

433
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<v Speaker 3>three PCOS or polycystic ovary syndrome. This is a condition

434
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<v Speaker 3>where hormones are way out of whack. Small cysts can

435
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<v Speaker 3>grow on the ovaries and produce androgens or male hormones,

436
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<v Speaker 3>which cause a ton of symptoms and can either make

437
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<v Speaker 3>your periods much lighter or much heavier. Hormones are fun

438
00:24:25.440 --> 00:24:28.720
<v Speaker 3>that way, so desmenteria can be a symptom of PCOS,

439
00:24:28.960 --> 00:24:31.400
<v Speaker 3>though it's usually paired with a lot of other symptoms

440
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<v Speaker 3>like excess body hair, acne, thinning hair, dark patches of skin.

441
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<v Speaker 3>PCOS is usually diagnosed with an ultrasound to look at

442
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<v Speaker 3>your ovaries and check for cysts, plus a blood test

443
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<v Speaker 3>to check your hormone levels. Endometriosis Endometriosis is when your

444
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<v Speaker 3>endometrial tissue, which is the stuff that makes up the

445
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<v Speaker 3>lining of your uterus, the thing that thickens and then

446
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<v Speaker 3>comes out during your period, when that tissue grows anywhere

447
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<v Speaker 3>else in your body outside your uterus. Most often it's

448
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<v Speaker 3>in the pelvic cavity, like near your ovaries, or your

449
00:25:03.880 --> 00:25:08.119
<v Speaker 3>bladder or your bowels, but there are documented cases of

450
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<v Speaker 3>people having endometrial tissue in their nose, in their brain,

451
00:25:12.599 --> 00:25:16.640
<v Speaker 3>in their lungs. Because endometrial tissue responds to hormone signals,

452
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<v Speaker 3>no matter where it is or how inconvenient it would

453
00:25:19.519 --> 00:25:22.240
<v Speaker 3>be for you to bleed there, it thickens and bleeds

454
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<v Speaker 3>despite the fact that it's not inside your uterus but

455
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<v Speaker 3>on your ovary or in your nose. This causes a

456
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<v Speaker 3>lot of problems when it happens once a month for

457
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<v Speaker 3>years and years and years. These problems are caused by inflammation,

458
00:25:36.039 --> 00:25:39.559
<v Speaker 3>scar tissue, and something called adhesions that basically glue your

459
00:25:39.680 --> 00:25:43.400
<v Speaker 3>organs together so they can't function normally. Endometriosi's symptoms can

460
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<v Speaker 3>vary a ton from person to person because the endometrial

461
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<v Speaker 3>tissue can be anywhere and the symptoms will be different

462
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<v Speaker 3>depending on where the tissue is. But for obvious reasons,

463
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<v Speaker 3>folks with endometriosis tend to be in the most pain

464
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<v Speaker 3>around their period. A super fun fact is that endometriosis

465
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<v Speaker 3>is one of the most common causes of dysmenorrhea, but

466
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<v Speaker 3>it still takes a woman in the US an average

467
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<v Speaker 3>of seven to ten years to be diagnosed, and that's

468
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<v Speaker 3>partly because getting diagnosed requires laparoscopic surgery to look inside

469
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<v Speaker 3>the abdominal cavity and visually confirm the presence of scarring

470
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<v Speaker 3>or adhesions. If endometriosis is really advanced or has caused

471
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<v Speaker 3>a lot of scar tissue, it might show up in

472
00:26:23.440 --> 00:26:26.440
<v Speaker 3>an ultrasound or MRI, but just because it doesn't show

473
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<v Speaker 3>up on one doesn't mean you don't have it. Adenomiosis.

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<v Speaker 3>Adenomiosis is like endometriosis in that there is endometrial tissue

475
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<v Speaker 3>that is somewhere it is not supposed to be, But

476
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<v Speaker 3>with adenomiosis, the endometrial tissue is inside the muscle of

477
00:26:41.359 --> 00:26:45.519
<v Speaker 3>the uterus rather than outside on your ovaries or bladder.

478
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<v Speaker 3>A big symptom is very heavy, painful periods. Adenomiosis usually

479
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<v Speaker 3>happens to people between thirty five and fifty, often people

480
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<v Speaker 3>who have already given birth, especially if they've had a

481
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<v Speaker 3>C section. Adenomiosis is diagnosed first with a pelvic exam,

482
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<v Speaker 3>where they feel for a quote spongy enlarged uterus. Nice

483
00:27:06.720 --> 00:27:09.160
<v Speaker 3>they might do an ultrasound to rule out fibroids, and

484
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<v Speaker 3>then they might do an MRI to get a more

485
00:27:11.200 --> 00:27:14.559
<v Speaker 3>detailed picture of how much endometrial tissue has grown into

486
00:27:14.599 --> 00:27:18.000
<v Speaker 3>the uterine muscle. Okay, that's a lot of things that

487
00:27:18.119 --> 00:27:21.119
<v Speaker 3>could be causing severe dysmenory ea. So how do you

488
00:27:21.200 --> 00:27:23.960
<v Speaker 3>figure out which one it is? I asked doctor Tang

489
00:27:24.039 --> 00:27:26.799
<v Speaker 3>what this process of getting to a diagnosis with your

490
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<v Speaker 3>doctors should look like.

491
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<v Speaker 2>So, in general, if someone is having really painful periods,

492
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<v Speaker 2>typically what a kind of collas will do is, depending

493
00:27:34.319 --> 00:27:36.799
<v Speaker 2>on how old they are, they might order a pelvic ultrasound.

494
00:27:36.880 --> 00:27:40.920
<v Speaker 2>That's the easiest thing. It's a test that doesn't have radiation,

495
00:27:41.079 --> 00:27:43.960
<v Speaker 2>there's no real harm to it. It's very easily accessible,

496
00:27:44.079 --> 00:27:46.000
<v Speaker 2>and it gets a great look at your uterus and

497
00:27:46.000 --> 00:27:48.880
<v Speaker 2>your ovaras just to make sure that structurally they look okay. So,

498
00:27:49.000 --> 00:27:51.839
<v Speaker 2>fibroids do show up on imaging, so you can find

499
00:27:51.880 --> 00:27:56.079
<v Speaker 2>those on ultrasounds very easily. Enemytross and atinmiosis are actually

500
00:27:56.079 --> 00:27:58.640
<v Speaker 2>a lot harder to see and in fact don't typically

501
00:27:59.079 --> 00:28:02.359
<v Speaker 2>show up on image studies until they're really fairly severe.

502
00:28:02.519 --> 00:28:04.960
<v Speaker 2>It's not uncommon for someone who is going through an

503
00:28:05.000 --> 00:28:08.799
<v Speaker 2>evaluation for painful periods to be told, oh, everything looks normal.

504
00:28:08.839 --> 00:28:12.000
<v Speaker 2>Your ultrasound is completely normal. There's nothing wrong with your uterus,

505
00:28:12.039 --> 00:28:14.640
<v Speaker 2>but you're like, but I'm still like in devastating pain

506
00:28:14.680 --> 00:28:15.799
<v Speaker 2>and throwing up all the time.

507
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<v Speaker 3>To address this pain, Doctor Tang says birth control is

508
00:28:18.960 --> 00:28:20.759
<v Speaker 3>usually where doctors start.

509
00:28:20.720 --> 00:28:22.319
<v Speaker 2>A lot of times, and those of you listening to

510
00:28:22.319 --> 00:28:25.279
<v Speaker 2>this have probably been told we try birth control. The

511
00:28:25.359 --> 00:28:28.039
<v Speaker 2>reason that we do that is that the progesterone in

512
00:28:28.079 --> 00:28:31.519
<v Speaker 2>birth control thins the tissue that comes out like period blood,

513
00:28:31.759 --> 00:28:34.759
<v Speaker 2>So the endimutrial tissue that's what actually comes out when

514
00:28:34.759 --> 00:28:37.400
<v Speaker 2>you're actually bleeding. It's this tissue mixed with the blood

515
00:28:37.440 --> 00:28:39.519
<v Speaker 2>from inside the eaters. It thins that so there's not

516
00:28:39.559 --> 00:28:41.839
<v Speaker 2>as much to come out. In general, the more your

517
00:28:41.920 --> 00:28:45.240
<v Speaker 2>uterus is working to try and push out blood clots,

518
00:28:45.279 --> 00:28:47.400
<v Speaker 2>the stronger the cramps are. As well. I say, it's

519
00:28:47.440 --> 00:28:49.559
<v Speaker 2>like you're used to trying to birth the clots. So

520
00:28:49.799 --> 00:28:52.799
<v Speaker 2>the less bleeding, the less clots, the less usually the

521
00:28:52.839 --> 00:28:56.640
<v Speaker 2>cramping in general. And then also you're preventing ovulation. Sometimes

522
00:28:56.680 --> 00:28:59.480
<v Speaker 2>you can even use birth control to totally skip your periods.

523
00:28:59.720 --> 00:29:03.079
<v Speaker 2>Nor the signal to your body to have a period

524
00:29:03.319 --> 00:29:07.039
<v Speaker 2>is controlled by ovulation, and so if you don't release

525
00:29:07.079 --> 00:29:10.079
<v Speaker 2>an egg, you don't start that timer. And so sometimes

526
00:29:10.119 --> 00:29:12.680
<v Speaker 2>people can actually go. And there's different ways that we

527
00:29:12.799 --> 00:29:16.480
<v Speaker 2>will purposely skip the periods using birth control in this way.

528
00:29:16.559 --> 00:29:18.200
<v Speaker 2>So if we're like, you're not in pain when you're

529
00:29:18.240 --> 00:29:20.720
<v Speaker 2>not having periods, can we take away your periods or

530
00:29:20.759 --> 00:29:23.359
<v Speaker 2>make them much lighter to see if that helps. So

531
00:29:23.400 --> 00:29:26.480
<v Speaker 2>that's the reason why people are usually given a birth

532
00:29:26.480 --> 00:29:28.839
<v Speaker 2>control method as like the first line, and also because

533
00:29:28.880 --> 00:29:32.079
<v Speaker 2>it's very common if people need contraception to prevent pregnancy anyway,

534
00:29:32.359 --> 00:29:33.200
<v Speaker 2>they're like two birds with.

535
00:29:33.160 --> 00:29:36.240
<v Speaker 3>Lovestone birth control that makes you not have your period.

536
00:29:36.319 --> 00:29:38.720
<v Speaker 3>When I was growing up, which again was twenty years ago,

537
00:29:38.839 --> 00:29:41.039
<v Speaker 3>I was told maybe not by medical professionals, but like

538
00:29:41.200 --> 00:29:43.880
<v Speaker 3>my mother, oh, that it was dangerous, yeah, that it's

539
00:29:43.960 --> 00:29:47.359
<v Speaker 3>unnatural to skip your period, And so I never tried that.

540
00:29:47.920 --> 00:29:51.079
<v Speaker 3>Is there anything to that or is it fine now?

541
00:29:51.160 --> 00:29:53.599
<v Speaker 2>It's a good question. And the reason that myth exists

542
00:29:53.599 --> 00:29:56.079
<v Speaker 2>is because on your own, it is dangerous to not

543
00:29:56.119 --> 00:29:59.119
<v Speaker 2>have a period if you have functioning over east. And

544
00:29:59.160 --> 00:30:03.240
<v Speaker 2>the reason is for conditions like PCOS polycystic ovarian syndrome,

545
00:30:03.319 --> 00:30:06.559
<v Speaker 2>they don't ovulate regularly. People with PCOS don't tend to

546
00:30:06.559 --> 00:30:09.200
<v Speaker 2>have periods regularly. They may skip many months or even

547
00:30:09.319 --> 00:30:12.400
<v Speaker 2>a year with no periods. The danger of that is

548
00:30:12.440 --> 00:30:15.039
<v Speaker 2>that the tissue in your uters can build up over time,

549
00:30:15.400 --> 00:30:17.759
<v Speaker 2>and that is actually a risk for uterine pre cancer

550
00:30:17.839 --> 00:30:20.119
<v Speaker 2>or cancer. You can get build up of abnormal cells.

551
00:30:20.240 --> 00:30:22.359
<v Speaker 2>And also if you skip a bunch of periods on

552
00:30:22.400 --> 00:30:25.880
<v Speaker 2>your own, when you finally bleed, it is a nightmare.

553
00:30:25.960 --> 00:30:28.359
<v Speaker 2>It's six months worth of periods coming out all at once.

554
00:30:28.519 --> 00:30:31.000
<v Speaker 2>So people with pcos will sometimes bleed for weeks and

555
00:30:31.039 --> 00:30:33.640
<v Speaker 2>weeks just like pouring out blood because there's so much

556
00:30:33.640 --> 00:30:36.279
<v Speaker 2>stuff in the uterus that hasn't been shit. The difference

557
00:30:36.359 --> 00:30:39.440
<v Speaker 2>when we use a per control with progesterone is that

558
00:30:39.599 --> 00:30:42.680
<v Speaker 2>the progesterone is controlling the growth and keeping it from

559
00:30:42.680 --> 00:30:44.720
<v Speaker 2>growing so you don't get that build up inside. So

560
00:30:44.880 --> 00:30:47.599
<v Speaker 2>we say when we take over and we are preventing

561
00:30:47.640 --> 00:30:49.480
<v Speaker 2>the periods or doing it in a way that you

562
00:30:49.519 --> 00:30:52.519
<v Speaker 2>don't actually medically need to shed the tissue to clean

563
00:30:52.559 --> 00:30:55.119
<v Speaker 2>it out, so to speak. It's keeping it from growing

564
00:30:55.200 --> 00:30:57.359
<v Speaker 2>so it doesn't build up. So it is different, and

565
00:30:57.359 --> 00:30:59.279
<v Speaker 2>that's where the moms and people are like, oh, it's

566
00:30:59.319 --> 00:31:01.720
<v Speaker 2>unhealthy not have your period. That's where they get that from,

567
00:31:01.799 --> 00:31:04.640
<v Speaker 2>is that it is unhealthy on your own, but under

568
00:31:04.680 --> 00:31:07.440
<v Speaker 2>these circumstances, we can skip the periods safely, and that's

569
00:31:07.480 --> 00:31:09.480
<v Speaker 2>what we do actually, or first line for people who

570
00:31:09.519 --> 00:31:12.599
<v Speaker 2>are like the periods are miserable, they bleed so much

571
00:31:12.599 --> 00:31:14.599
<v Speaker 2>and so much pain. If we can get rid of

572
00:31:14.599 --> 00:31:17.160
<v Speaker 2>the periods, then that's helpful. We do that also for

573
00:31:17.559 --> 00:31:20.599
<v Speaker 2>not just pain, but for things like crementional dysporic disorder,

574
00:31:20.680 --> 00:31:24.799
<v Speaker 2>for severe mood symptoms right before your period, or menstrual migraines.

575
00:31:24.839 --> 00:31:27.839
<v Speaker 2>If you get horrible migraines right before your period, it's

576
00:31:27.839 --> 00:31:30.640
<v Speaker 2>the same idea. It's to keep those ups and downs

577
00:31:30.680 --> 00:31:32.599
<v Speaker 2>of the hormone fluctuations from happening.

578
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that makes total sense, and it makes me wish

579
00:31:34.799 --> 00:31:38.000
<v Speaker 3>I had considered that more because that could have saved

580
00:31:38.039 --> 00:31:41.400
<v Speaker 3>me years of pain. Every time I go to a

581
00:31:41.440 --> 00:31:44.519
<v Speaker 3>doctor for my cramps, they order an ultrasound, it comes

582
00:31:44.599 --> 00:31:47.759
<v Speaker 3>back normal and they say, well, nothing's wrong, it's just

583
00:31:47.839 --> 00:31:51.359
<v Speaker 3>bad cramps, and they write primary dysmenorrhea in my chart.

584
00:31:51.559 --> 00:31:54.720
<v Speaker 3>And that seems like the end of the road. At

585
00:31:54.759 --> 00:31:57.640
<v Speaker 3>what point do you start trying to figure out is

586
00:31:57.680 --> 00:32:01.319
<v Speaker 3>this pain being caused by something else or is this

587
00:32:01.640 --> 00:32:04.960
<v Speaker 3>just pain caused by your period that doesn't have an

588
00:32:05.039 --> 00:32:05.839
<v Speaker 3>underlying cause.

589
00:32:06.000 --> 00:32:08.880
<v Speaker 2>When we say primary and secondary in gynecology, there's usually

590
00:32:08.880 --> 00:32:11.559
<v Speaker 2>a couple things that we could mean. So primary meaning

591
00:32:11.839 --> 00:32:14.119
<v Speaker 2>right off the bat, like this is something that you've

592
00:32:14.200 --> 00:32:17.480
<v Speaker 2>always had. So primary dys memory, like you've always right

593
00:32:17.519 --> 00:32:19.720
<v Speaker 2>from the second that you've had periods is just how

594
00:32:20.119 --> 00:32:23.519
<v Speaker 2>your uters functions. That's how you experience it, as opposed

595
00:32:23.559 --> 00:32:26.839
<v Speaker 2>to secondary meaning like time past, you were doing okay,

596
00:32:27.000 --> 00:32:30.079
<v Speaker 2>then you started developing this later. Sometimes we'll use that

597
00:32:30.119 --> 00:32:33.440
<v Speaker 2>expression as primary being it's just based on the uterus

598
00:32:33.480 --> 00:32:37.400
<v Speaker 2>itself versus secondary it came from something else. So in

599
00:32:37.480 --> 00:32:40.759
<v Speaker 2>terms of when we start to think about other issues

600
00:32:40.920 --> 00:32:44.519
<v Speaker 2>in general, we do think about other things. If it

601
00:32:44.559 --> 00:32:46.400
<v Speaker 2>came out of nowhere, you're like I was actually doing

602
00:32:46.400 --> 00:32:49.640
<v Speaker 2>okay and then things started getting worse. Infections can cause that,

603
00:32:49.680 --> 00:32:53.480
<v Speaker 2>like worsening pelvic pain that develops suddenly, including with your period,

604
00:32:53.920 --> 00:32:58.640
<v Speaker 2>or fibers can grow later. Abnomiosis develops usually later in

605
00:32:58.680 --> 00:33:01.119
<v Speaker 2>people in their thirties and forties. It's not usually something

606
00:33:01.160 --> 00:33:03.640
<v Speaker 2>that's there when you're in your teens. Fibrises don't ually

607
00:33:03.640 --> 00:33:05.480
<v Speaker 2>show up in your teens. It helps a little bit

608
00:33:05.480 --> 00:33:08.200
<v Speaker 2>in terms of guessing what could be going on, but

609
00:33:08.279 --> 00:33:10.400
<v Speaker 2>in general, like we do go through the same motions

610
00:33:10.480 --> 00:33:14.519
<v Speaker 2>of the work up, the evaluation, the treatment options almost regardless,

611
00:33:14.519 --> 00:33:16.440
<v Speaker 2>but it does in our mind where we're thinking through.

612
00:33:16.480 --> 00:33:18.640
<v Speaker 2>We call it the differential diagnosis, which is just our

613
00:33:18.720 --> 00:33:20.960
<v Speaker 2>list of what we think could be happening, and we

614
00:33:21.039 --> 00:33:23.079
<v Speaker 2>go through we rule it in or rule it out.

615
00:33:23.279 --> 00:33:25.039
<v Speaker 2>We use those distinctions a little bit.

616
00:33:26.599 --> 00:33:30.359
<v Speaker 3>We learned earlier why n sets like fiberprofen can help

617
00:33:30.400 --> 00:33:33.119
<v Speaker 3>with cramps for some people that they reduce the amount

618
00:33:33.160 --> 00:33:36.160
<v Speaker 3>of prostaglandins and they block the receptors. But what if

619
00:33:36.200 --> 00:33:39.680
<v Speaker 3>fiberprofin doesn't work for you, does that help doctors narrow

620
00:33:39.799 --> 00:33:41.480
<v Speaker 3>down what could be causing the pain?

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<v Speaker 2>The people with things like enemetriosis are typically the ones

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<v Speaker 2>who are, you know, like, maybe it worked for a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit or a tiny bit of an edge off,

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<v Speaker 2>but it really didn't take away all the pain. It's

625
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<v Speaker 2>another signal to us maybe there's something different going on.

626
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<v Speaker 2>Maybe it's not just regular cramps. If you're taking max

627
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<v Speaker 2>doses of ibupres and it's barely touching it, it should

628
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<v Speaker 2>make us wonder if there's something different going on. Unfortunately,

629
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<v Speaker 2>and this is sadly just the fact of women's health.

630
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<v Speaker 2>In general, pain is so normalized. People are told, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just periods. Everyone has bad periods, just deal with it,

632
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<v Speaker 2>or just take some breath control, just take some mightbprofen

633
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<v Speaker 2>and those who are doing it and saying, I'm still

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<v Speaker 2>in a ton of pain. This really isn't working. The

635
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<v Speaker 2>problem is sometimes people get stuck at that phase and

636
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<v Speaker 2>then the doctor doesn't think about other things like what

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<v Speaker 2>else could be going on? Is it nimetrios? Should we

638
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<v Speaker 2>talk about a laparoscopy to look for endo, could it

639
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<v Speaker 2>be fibor should we get an ultrasound? They get stuck

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<v Speaker 2>in the you just have periods like everyone else. Just

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<v Speaker 2>deal with it and don't get that next step of

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<v Speaker 2>evaluation and treatment. So in general, I tell people, if

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<v Speaker 2>you're trying something, and we all just try these same

644
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<v Speaker 2>first steps, but you shouldn't have person getting stuck in

645
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<v Speaker 2>the none of this is working. I'm just trying like

646
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<v Speaker 2>pale after pill. Clearly there's something amiss. Those are the

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<v Speaker 2>situations I tell people to really advocate for yourselves, say

648
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<v Speaker 2>this really isn't working for me. Should we be thinking

649
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<v Speaker 2>about something else? Could it be an a metriosis? Should

650
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<v Speaker 2>we get some imaging what's next, and then if the

651
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<v Speaker 2>doctor isn't offering that next step, that's where you get

652
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<v Speaker 2>second opinions. See a specialist, see a pelvic pain or

653
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<v Speaker 2>enemytriosis specialist, and look elsewhere if the doctor's not helping

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<v Speaker 2>you with that evaluation process.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, which is a lot to ask for. Like fourteen

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<v Speaker 3>fifteen year old going through horrible pain and I really scared

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<v Speaker 3>of it.

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<v Speaker 2>So they really need a parent, an adult, a pediatrician

659
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<v Speaker 2>like someone to help advocate for them to be like, yeah,

660
00:35:33.280 --> 00:35:36.239
<v Speaker 2>that's not normal. We should figure this out. And pediatricians

661
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<v Speaker 2>sometimes are really great. Enemeytriosis groups are actually reaching out

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<v Speaker 2>to school nurses now to educate them. If you have

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<v Speaker 2>a girl who's just constantly, you know, coming out of class,

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<v Speaker 2>has to go home throwing up in the bathroom, that's

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<v Speaker 2>not normal.

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<v Speaker 3>That was me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, talk to the parents and say ask your pediatricians,

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<v Speaker 2>see a pediatric gynecologist, think about edmetriosis, because that's not normal.

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<v Speaker 2>And like a strong percentage of people who have very

670
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<v Speaker 2>bad period pain will end up having enemetriosis, the most

671
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<v Speaker 2>common cause of abnormally painful periods. So it is something

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<v Speaker 2>that any of you who are listening who are in

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<v Speaker 2>that phase of suffering. Now you're just like, no one's listening.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what to do. That's what you do

675
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<v Speaker 2>is you try and find a specialist to focus on this.

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<v Speaker 2>Because enemeytriosis is typically diagnosed and managed surgically, some obedns

677
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<v Speaker 2>don't do those surgery, so they might be like, well,

678
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<v Speaker 2>why would I send you for surgery? I don't really

679
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<v Speaker 2>do them. Let's just keep on doing medications. That's where

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<v Speaker 2>you say we maybe reached the end of what this

681
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<v Speaker 2>doctor can offer. Let's look for someone else. And it

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<v Speaker 2>may just be a matter of the doctor themselves are

683
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<v Speaker 2>not super experienced with management of enemeutriosis, pelvic pain and

684
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<v Speaker 2>some of these surgical issues. So in general, you should

685
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<v Speaker 2>never be stuck in that phase of I don't know

686
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<v Speaker 2>what to do. Now, I've tried these couple of things

687
00:36:48.199 --> 00:36:50.239
<v Speaker 2>and they seem to think that was the only option.

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<v Speaker 2>Clearly it's not working. Then you should look elsewhere for

689
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<v Speaker 2>specialists and ask. You're within your rights to be like,

690
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<v Speaker 2>what do you think we should do now? What could

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<v Speaker 2>be going on? What's next?

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<v Speaker 3>It's so frustrating that it feels like we're doing the

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<v Speaker 3>doctor's job a little bit of Hey, isn't this a

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<v Speaker 3>question you should be asking?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if you feel like your spidy sense is there's

696
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<v Speaker 2>something wrong, this cannot be just normal, then you definitely

697
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<v Speaker 2>should go get a second opinion, because again there's limitations,

698
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<v Speaker 2>like I don't know everything about everything. Clearly, I've offerred

699
00:37:16.079 --> 00:37:18.000
<v Speaker 2>people all the time. I'm like, I'm a little mystified.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what's going on. You. Let me send

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<v Speaker 2>you to a specialist, a hormone specialist, pelvic floor specialist.

702
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<v Speaker 2>But it should never be that you are just left

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<v Speaker 2>to no recourse, no treatments, no answers. That's not okay.

704
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<v Speaker 2>So you almost feel like it's like a public health crisis.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, there's just like this lack of basic information.

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<v Speaker 3>So why didn't I know that my pain wasn't normal?

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<v Speaker 3>Why didn't I know that it was likely being caused

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<v Speaker 3>by an underlying issue? If at fourteen I had had

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<v Speaker 3>more information about what a normal period was, maybe I

710
00:37:50.960 --> 00:37:53.000
<v Speaker 3>would have been able to push back a little when

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00:37:53.039 --> 00:37:56.480
<v Speaker 3>doctors tried to tell me my horrible pain was normal.

712
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<v Speaker 3>And even though that was over twenty years ago, and

713
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<v Speaker 3>one hopes things have got better since then, In twenty

714
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<v Speaker 3>twenty four. Just this past year, several studies found that

715
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<v Speaker 3>teens in the US are not getting enough information on periods.

716
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<v Speaker 3>Our health education in the US generally sucks, and our

717
00:38:12.360 --> 00:38:16.000
<v Speaker 3>healthcare for people with uteruses generally sucks. It's kind of

718
00:38:16.000 --> 00:38:18.599
<v Speaker 3>a chicken egg situation. I don't know which to blame,

719
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<v Speaker 3>but it ends up in a situation where we don't

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<v Speaker 3>even know what we don't know. We don't know when

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<v Speaker 3>we're getting shitty care or when we have an uninformed doctor.

722
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<v Speaker 3>Our health depends on us advocating for ourselves, but the

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<v Speaker 3>information we need can be really hard to get and do.

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<v Speaker 3>I think people with uteruses should have to become experts

725
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<v Speaker 3>in gynecology just to be able to get the appropriate

726
00:38:42.480 --> 00:38:46.960
<v Speaker 3>tests and diagnosis. Of course, not any gynecologist should have

727
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<v Speaker 3>this information, should believe that their patient is in an

728
00:38:50.639 --> 00:38:54.119
<v Speaker 3>abnormal amount of pain. If they say they are, should

729
00:38:54.280 --> 00:38:57.000
<v Speaker 3>be able to get you to a diagnosis and treatment.

730
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<v Speaker 3>But that is not the world we currently live in.

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<v Speaker 3>So if a doctor is not helping you, you have

732
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<v Speaker 3>to get your hands on the information yourself. And after

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<v Speaker 3>talking to doctor Tang, it seems like I should look

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<v Speaker 3>into whether I have endometriosis or adenomiosis. Based on the

735
00:39:11.679 --> 00:39:14.639
<v Speaker 3>fact that my dysmenoria started up right away when I

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<v Speaker 3>first started getting periods, the fact that ibuprofen sometimes helps

737
00:39:18.400 --> 00:39:21.960
<v Speaker 3>and sometimes doesn't, and that my ultrasounds come back normal

738
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<v Speaker 3>every time. It seems like I've just constantly gotten stuck

739
00:39:26.880 --> 00:39:29.800
<v Speaker 3>at that spot. Doctor Tang was talking about that spot

740
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<v Speaker 3>where my ultrasound comes back normal. The doctor either doesn't

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00:39:33.639 --> 00:39:36.039
<v Speaker 3>know what to do next, or doesn't want to refer

742
00:39:36.079 --> 00:39:38.719
<v Speaker 3>me to a specialist for some reason, or just doesn't

743
00:39:38.760 --> 00:39:41.559
<v Speaker 3>think my painful periods are really a problem. So it

744
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<v Speaker 3>looks like I have to find a doctor who specializes

745
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<v Speaker 3>in endometriosis. This was episode one of Krampt. They are

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<v Speaker 3>nine more coming out. Here's a little preview of what

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<v Speaker 3>else we're getting into.

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<v Speaker 2>They teach you a lot in medical school about the science,

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00:39:56.320 --> 00:39:59.679
<v Speaker 2>the biology, the pathology, but I do not remember to

750
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<v Speaker 2>this day a class on how to talk to people.

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<v Speaker 5>That's not what I was actually saying when I said

752
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<v Speaker 5>my homeans were out of bells.

753
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<v Speaker 3>What it is trying to say is I'm suffering.

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<v Speaker 5>Those are all strategies that help reduce fear and that

755
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<v Speaker 5>feeling of isolation which our brains don't like that feeling,

756
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<v Speaker 5>and so they're going to signal more pain when we

757
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<v Speaker 5>feel that way.

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<v Speaker 2>They vilify physicians, but it's been insurance companies who are

759
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<v Speaker 2>creating the biggest nightmare. We put them in an MRI

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<v Speaker 2>facill I mean they squeeze the bulb every time they

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<v Speaker 2>have a cramp.

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<v Speaker 6>If you keep on having painful periods, is that like

763
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<v Speaker 6>getting cut over and over again by a surgeon, Like

764
00:40:33.320 --> 00:40:35.079
<v Speaker 6>where eventually the are you keep going an opera and

765
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<v Speaker 6>gets hyper sensitive.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, yeah, this science is fake. And also I'm

767
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<v Speaker 3>taking the supplement every day.

768
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<v Speaker 2>Mensi's itself has healing properties. Can we make a wound

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<v Speaker 2>repair model with what's in minster blood.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the same ten thousand dollars for cramps.

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<v Speaker 2>I am a full time journalist where my job is

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<v Speaker 2>to ask questions, and I didn't know what to ask.

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<v Speaker 1>I was embarrassed that I didn't even know what fibroids were.

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<v Speaker 6>We weren't even able to advertise anything about menstruation until

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<v Speaker 6>nineteen seventy two, and it wasn't until nineteen eighty five

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<v Speaker 6>where Courtney Cox during a Tafex commercial actually used the

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<v Speaker 6>word period.

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<v Speaker 2>The existence of data, and particularly the existence of quality

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<v Speaker 2>data on something is a direct representative of how much

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<v Speaker 2>we as a society care about that thing.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll be back next week. Be sure to subscribe to

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<v Speaker 3>the Cramped feed wherever you listen to podcasts and tell

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<v Speaker 3>a fellow cramper about it. We're an independent show, and

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<v Speaker 3>the more people we can reach with this information, the

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<v Speaker 3>fewer people will be in pain alone. Cramped is hosted

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<v Speaker 3>and created by me Kate Helen Downey. Kelsey Delonzo is

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<v Speaker 3>our editorial producer. Sound design and mixing is by Kelly

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<v Speaker 3>Kromeric at Maven Postmedia. Our associate producer is Katelyn Sabatar.

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<v Speaker 3>Cramp's Incredible theme song is written and performed by Faraday.

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<v Speaker 3>Our podcast art was created by Nicholas Sheppard. This podcast

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<v Speaker 3>is supported by the Simons Foundations Science, Society and Culture Initiative.

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<v Speaker 3>Fiscal sponsorship for Cramped is provided by the Arkansas Podcast Collaborative.

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<v Speaker 3>You can find doctor Karen Tang on Instagram and TikTok

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<v Speaker 3>at Karen Tang, MD, and her book is called It's

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<v Speaker 3>Not Hysteria. Everything you need to know about your reproductive

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<v Speaker 3>health but We're never told. Special thanks to Mia Lobel

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<v Speaker 3>Event Modenau and Matthew Starr.

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<v Speaker 4>What's happening to your body? We know now because we've

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<v Speaker 4>never really started fee more
