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<v Speaker 1>I want to talk about a weird topic, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>something that's in Catholic circles and it interests me. So

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<v Speaker 1>if you get your own radio show, you can talk

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<v Speaker 1>about what interests you. But I'm going to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>what interests me. And it's the topic of kind of

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<v Speaker 1>anti semitism, and this somewhat growing anti semitism on the right.

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<v Speaker 1>There is plenty of anti Semitism on the left that

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<v Speaker 1>seems to be kind of sort of out of such

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<v Speaker 1>sympathy for Islam and so much sympathy for Islam and

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<v Speaker 1>so much anti colonialism, and you looking at the Israel

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<v Speaker 1>Palestine conflict through the lens of anti colonialism, it gets

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<v Speaker 1>to such a point that basically Israel is blamed for everything,

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<v Speaker 1>and and it crosses over from disliking the colonialism or

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<v Speaker 1>perceived colonialism of the Jewish State of Israel to just

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<v Speaker 1>disliking Jews in general, and certainly when you get over

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<v Speaker 1>into Islam. Whatever fine line there may be between disliking

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<v Speaker 1>the state of Israel and outright anti semitism, that line

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<v Speaker 1>basically goes away. Hamas hates Jews, they don't. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>just that they hate the state of Israel. They hate Jews,

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<v Speaker 1>They think Jews are bad and awful. And the American

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<v Speaker 1>left has so much sympathy for the anti colonialist idea,

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<v Speaker 1>the idea that any situation that involves a European power

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<v Speaker 1>imposing on some kind of indigenous population its political structure

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<v Speaker 1>is evil and horrible and must be resistant. Even though like,

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<v Speaker 1>if we're gonna this is my general opinion about the

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<v Speaker 1>Israel Palestine conflict, if we're gonna get our panties in

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<v Speaker 1>a twist over every people group that got rightly or

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<v Speaker 1>wrongly displaced after World War II, then we're never gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get over ourselves. There has to be some kind of

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<v Speaker 1>statute of limitations. Jews have been living in the area

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<v Speaker 1>of Palestine since time immemorial, A bunch of European Jews.

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<v Speaker 1>After this little thing that happened that maybe some of

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<v Speaker 1>you remember that was pretty unjust that happened to the

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<v Speaker 1>Jews during World War Two, this little thing called the Holocaust,

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<v Speaker 1>A bunch of European Jews wound up settling in Palestine.

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<v Speaker 1>There were some Palestinians or trans Jordanians, whatever you want

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<v Speaker 1>to call them, who were living in that area who

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<v Speaker 1>got displaced, and it's unfair, and it's unjust that some

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<v Speaker 1>of them got displaced. And I guess I just don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to keep fighting that war over the injustice of

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<v Speaker 1>people groups that got moved eighty years ago, when plenty

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<v Speaker 1>of people groups got moved unjustly eighty years ago, and

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<v Speaker 1>we're not fighting wars over We're not fighting wars over

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<v Speaker 1>the injustice of the Volga River Germans who got moved.

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<v Speaker 1>Plenty of people groups got moved and displaced unjustly after

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<v Speaker 1>World during and after World War Two. Anyway, that's the

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<v Speaker 1>anti Semitism of the left, anti colonialism on the part

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<v Speaker 1>of American and European academics who and who for some

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<v Speaker 1>reason they perceived the Israelis as white and the Palestinians

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<v Speaker 1>as a person of color. I don't know why that

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't necessarily make all this. I'm from what I have heard.

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<v Speaker 1>I have never been to Israel, I've never been to Palestine.

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't know that it's such a clean cut

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<v Speaker 1>distinction between white Israelis and people of color of Palestinians.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the ethnic situation is a bit more mixed

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<v Speaker 1>up than that. Anyway, on the left, there's anti colonialism

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<v Speaker 1>that can maybe lead to anti Semitism. There's sympathy for Islam.

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<v Speaker 1>Many expressions of Islam are quite anti Semitic. But there's

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<v Speaker 1>this little growing anti semitism on the right too. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of it on the right is just tied to

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<v Speaker 1>people being cranks on the internet and just wanting attention.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of it on the right it seems like when

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<v Speaker 1>people get really hardcore anti American intervention militarily in Israel's affairs,

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<v Speaker 1>a position with which I very much sympathize. There's so

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<v Speaker 1>many people who are like that, who sort of devolve

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<v Speaker 1>into like these very unfair standards for judging the Jewish state,

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<v Speaker 1>and it slips into anti Semitism. Sometimes not every single person,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think it often slips into anti Semitism. My

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<v Speaker 1>own position is I dislike the fact that we're involved

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<v Speaker 1>in that whole region of the world at all. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't like it. I don't like being involved over there. Frankly,

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<v Speaker 1>I wish we didn't have anything to do with the

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<v Speaker 1>entire Middle East whatsoever. If Israel has enough big boy

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<v Speaker 1>weapons to take care of itself, that's fine. We have

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<v Speaker 1>gotten nothing that positive out of our intervention and involvement

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<v Speaker 1>in the Middle East. We've gotten a lot of negative

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<v Speaker 1>We've got whole regions of the world that hate us

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<v Speaker 1>because we keep funding Israel militarily. I guess I have

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<v Speaker 1>sympathy for Israel as a you know, some sympathy for

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<v Speaker 1>Israel as a democracy. Is one of the few places

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<v Speaker 1>that has toleration for Christianity within the Middle East, total

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<v Speaker 1>toleration for Christianity. But I just it's an ocean and

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<v Speaker 1>a continent away. I don't want America to be involved

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<v Speaker 1>in it. I am tired of America being involved in it.

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<v Speaker 1>If the Israelis have enough military might to defend themselves,

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<v Speaker 1>let them defend themselves. I'm just tired of the whole

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<v Speaker 1>region and of Americans involvement. I think Israel had the

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<v Speaker 1>right to defend itself after October seventh, and after other

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<v Speaker 1>kinds of terrorist attacks. I don't understand why we have

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<v Speaker 1>to pay for it. Just tired of America getting involved

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<v Speaker 1>in proxy wars, which is really what this is. A

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<v Speaker 1>proxy war is a war that you fight through a proxy,

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<v Speaker 1>through some other actor acting on your behalf. And whatever

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<v Speaker 1>excesses Israel may have done is on us because we

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<v Speaker 1>gave them all the money and it's going to inflame

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<v Speaker 1>anger against us for something that I don't feel like

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<v Speaker 1>is really in our national interest. The geopolitical makeup of

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<v Speaker 1>the Levant is not something that impacts the national interest,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think, only in so far as it makes

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<v Speaker 1>it easier or harder for us to engage in more silly,

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<v Speaker 1>unwise adventures in the Middle East, to keep buying more

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<v Speaker 1>oil from the Middle East, which we shouldn't be buying

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<v Speaker 1>at all. We should just be producing our own oil.

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<v Speaker 1>We have more than they do anyway. However, on the

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<v Speaker 1>right though, there are more and more of sort of

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<v Speaker 1>people who are expressing anti Semitic views, and some of

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<v Speaker 1>this came into Catholicism over the weekend with people chattering

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<v Speaker 1>on Twitter. So any of you who are Catholics know

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<v Speaker 1>that yesterday was Palm Sunday, and on Palm Sunday Catholics

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<v Speaker 1>Roman Catholics have during the Mass every Sunday, during Mass,

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<v Speaker 1>we read a passage from one of the Gospels, and

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<v Speaker 1>on Palm Sunday we read the Passion narrative from one

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<v Speaker 1>of the three Synoptic Gospels, Matthew, Mark or Luke. Traditionally

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<v Speaker 1>it was just Matthew, but then in the modern right

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<v Speaker 1>of mouse that we have currently, it'side of the Matthew

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<v Speaker 1>Marker Luke, and it just rotates on a three year cycle.

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<v Speaker 1>Yesterday we read the Passion narrative from Saint Luke, which

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<v Speaker 1>is beautiful, and I've started doing this lately, but I'd

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<v Speaker 1>recommend to all of you who may be christianly inclined,

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<v Speaker 1>try to read through the passion narratives from all four

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<v Speaker 1>Gospels this week. I think it's a really beautiful practice.

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<v Speaker 1>The older traditional Catholic practice was you'd read Matthew on Sunday,

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<v Speaker 1>Mark I think on Tuesday, Luke on Wednesday, or those

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<v Speaker 1>passion narratives would be read during Mass or chanted during Mass.

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<v Speaker 1>So Matthew on Sunday, Mark On I believe Tuesday, Luke

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<v Speaker 1>on Wednesday, and then John on Good Friday. I'd encourage

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<v Speaker 1>all of you to do it. I think it's a

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful practice and it really helps you enter into the

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<v Speaker 1>spirit of Holy Week and Good Friday and then prepare

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<v Speaker 1>you for Easter Sunday. In the modern right of Mass,

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<v Speaker 1>if the Passion narrative is read, there are certain portions

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<v Speaker 1>of the Passion narrative that are that can be read

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<v Speaker 1>out out loud by the whole congregation saying the words.

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<v Speaker 1>We have little booklets in the pews, with little books

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<v Speaker 1>in the pews that have the whole reading, and people

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<v Speaker 1>read along with the use of the priests and the

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<v Speaker 1>deacons who are reading the Passion narrative. And there are

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<v Speaker 1>certain points in the narrative where there's a crowd of

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<v Speaker 1>people speaking where the whole congregation can join in, including

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<v Speaker 1>certain things read said by the Jewish crowd, the crowd

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<v Speaker 1>of people in Jerusalem who ultimately wound up kind of

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<v Speaker 1>swaying conscious pilot to okay, the execution of Jesus, Crucify him,

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<v Speaker 1>crucify him. We want Barabbas, not Jesus. Okay, those passages

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<v Speaker 1>which are found in all four Gospels. So in the

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<v Speaker 1>modern right of mouth, most of the time this narrative

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<v Speaker 1>is read out loud, and the people read those parts

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<v Speaker 1>out loud. Traditionally, the Passion narrative would be chanted. So

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<v Speaker 1>remember that for about nineteen hundred years of Christianity. We

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<v Speaker 1>made it through about nineteen hundred years of Christianity with

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<v Speaker 1>no microphones. So if you're at church and you wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to have something read out loud for people to hear it,

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<v Speaker 1>how would you do it well, you either needed to

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<v Speaker 1>shout or you needed to sing. And so most of

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<v Speaker 1>Roman Catholicism Eastern Christianity opted for the singing option, and

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<v Speaker 1>so they would chant the whole passion narrative. And the

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<v Speaker 1>traditional way it was done, you'd have three deacons chant

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<v Speaker 1>the passion narrative, and one deacon would be the narrator,

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<v Speaker 1>one deacon would play the part of Jesus, and one

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<v Speaker 1>deacon would play the part of everybody else, okay, including

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<v Speaker 1>the crowd saying crucify him. Now, for those parts that

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<v Speaker 1>involved a crowd, they're developed these beautiful musical traditions within

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<v Speaker 1>Roman Catholicism, these beautiful polyphony or choral settings of some

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<v Speaker 1>of those parts. And I think it was particularly for

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<v Speaker 1>Matthew's Gospel and John's Gospel, beautiful choral settings of some

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<v Speaker 1>of those exclamations by the crowd send us Barabbas, not Jesus,

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<v Speaker 1>crucify him, crucify him. Beautiful and elaborate musical settings by

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<v Speaker 1>some of the greatest proposers composers in the Western tradition.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's this long standing tradition of not just one

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<v Speaker 1>of the deacons reading it, not just elector reading it,

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<v Speaker 1>but of acchoir joining in, lots of people joining it.

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<v Speaker 1>We have this tradition now in the modern Catholicism where

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<v Speaker 1>everyone's reading it, and all of a sudden you get

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<v Speaker 1>these cranks on the right saying no, no, Catholics should

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<v Speaker 1>be saying crucify him during church. That's horrible, and then

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<v Speaker 1>going on to insert the Jews are the Jews even

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<v Speaker 1>today are still responsible for the death of Jesus. It's

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they carry the blood guilt of their ancestors.

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<v Speaker 1>Blah blah blah. Now I'm not gonna, I guess I

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<v Speaker 1>am going to dignify it, because I think it's nonsense.

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<v Speaker 1>The Saint Thomas Aquinas, Saint John Chris Sistem, plenty of

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<v Speaker 1>Catholic authors throughout the ages took the opinion that, no,

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<v Speaker 1>the Jews of today are not still cursed by what

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<v Speaker 1>the Jews? Why, why by what? That crowd of Jews

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<v Speaker 1>in Jerusalem and that crowd of Jewish leadership at that

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<v Speaker 1>time in Jerusalem, They're not still guilt carrying the blood

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<v Speaker 1>guilt of Christ. Chris Fixion, Saint John Christistom, who was

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<v Speaker 1>the great Bishop of Constantinople and one of the great

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<v Speaker 1>theologians in all of Christian history, certainly one of the

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<v Speaker 1>great theologians of Eastern Christian history. He took the opinion

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<v Speaker 1>which Saint Thomas Aquina is very favorably quoted Saint Thomas Aquinas,

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<v Speaker 1>who's the greatest theologian of Western Latin Catholicism, that basically

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<v Speaker 1>God refused to put that sentence on the Jewish crowds.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the expressions from the Gospels is may His

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<v Speaker 1>blood be on our heads and on our children's And

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<v Speaker 1>Saint John christ system says, no, there's still a role

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<v Speaker 1>for the Jewish people. God refused to put that condemnation

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<v Speaker 1>on them, and salvation is still you know, the universality

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<v Speaker 1>of Christianity, its openness to all persons, is also open

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<v Speaker 1>also to the Jewish people. Now there are some people

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<v Speaker 1>who I there's this strain of liberal Catholicism that I

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<v Speaker 1>think it was so urgently not wanting to be antisemitic

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<v Speaker 1>that they would say silly things. They would say, well,

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<v Speaker 1>the Jews, the Jews didn't kill Jesus. The Romans did well. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>not saying all Jewish people everywhere, through all times killed Jesus,

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<v Speaker 1>but clearly Jesus's death was precipitated by some of the

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<v Speaker 1>Pharisees and priestly class prominent in Jerusalem at that time,

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<v Speaker 1>Roman representative to actually okay his actual execution. The Jewish

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<v Speaker 1>of a choir to sing, that is to make the

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<v Speaker 1>point I christified Jesus, You christified Jesus. Jesus came to

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<v Speaker 1>In the Palm Sunday Mass, we begin by processing, marching

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<v Speaker 1>members of a crowd who were singing that on Palm

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<v Speaker 1>Sunday and chanting crucify him on Good Friday. And isn't

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<v Speaker 1>that the Christian struggle? We proclaim our love for God,

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<v Speaker 1>we betray Him with our own sinfulness and growing as

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<v Speaker 1>helped me sort of think through more of Holy Week

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<v Speaker 1>Holy Week. Recommended reading from yours truly. Next on the

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<v Speaker 1>John Girardi Show, Well, we just had Palm Sunday yesterday

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<v Speaker 1>and we are entering into Holy Week. Thought i'd give

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<v Speaker 1>you guys some recommended reading for the week. So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>I'd recommend throughout Holy Week. This is sort of the

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<v Speaker 1>preparation stuff for Easter. First, go through all four Gospels

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<v Speaker 1>As I said, the older form of the Catholic Roman

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<v Speaker 1>Mass on Palm Sunday, Mark's Gospel on Tuesday, Luke's Gospel

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<v Speaker 1>during Holy Week. Let's go through the four Gospels. Passion

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of Catholic churches. They do this office called Tenebrae,

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<v Speaker 1>the Four Passion Narratives, Book of Lamentations, the Psalm twenty two.

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<v Speaker 1>Check them out. All right, when we return, I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to dive into more Fresno Unified stuff. Enough of this

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<v Speaker 1>theological nonsense. Let's talk about Fresno Unified and how oh

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<v Speaker 1>there's this haggling over this designated extended hours schools. Guess

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<v Speaker 1>I've talked a lot last week about Fresne Unified and

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<v Speaker 1>the ongoing search for its new superintendent. It sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>the assistant superintendent. Basically, they had settled on hiring Misty

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<v Speaker 1>Her to be the superintendent, and then several members of

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<v Speaker 1>the Fresne Unified Board of Trustees sort of blew up

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<v Speaker 1>over this and said, wait a minute, Like this, this

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<v Speaker 1>is a massively underachieving district. We're only hiring internally for

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<v Speaker 1>in California. We really can't do a national search. We

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<v Speaker 1>really can't do a broader than Fresne Unified search. Like

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<v Speaker 1>Presne Unified is failing. Why would we just promote people

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<v Speaker 1>from within? Who are you, for good or for ill,

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<v Speaker 1>fairly or unfairly part of this failing system? Why don't

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<v Speaker 1>we bring someone from the outside. This basically has led

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<v Speaker 1>to a year's worth of search and investigation and the

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<v Speaker 1>board doing, the Board of trustees doing like a board

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<v Speaker 1>retreat to help understand better the responsibilities as board trustee members,

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<v Speaker 1>which I sort of have thought, well, what on earth

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<v Speaker 1>are we talking about? What? Why on earth is the

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<v Speaker 1>president Unified Board of Trustees doing such a thing, given that,

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<v Speaker 1>like you're it's an elected position. You ran for this job,

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<v Speaker 1>presumably because you understood the purpose of the job. Why

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<v Speaker 1>is the taxpayer paying, you know, one hundred thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 1>for consultants to help you guys figure out your job anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>so they're going to be in the news. And Misty

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<v Speaker 1>her possibly being the next permanent pick, I think is

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<v Speaker 1>going to cause another local brew haha, given that, well

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<v Speaker 1>she was going to be the pick, they did a

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<v Speaker 1>national search and now they're still just sticking with her.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, seems it seems weird to me. But

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<v Speaker 1>one of the points I've made is one of the

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<v Speaker 1>challenges President Unified faces is from a unionized workforce. President

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<v Speaker 1>Unified as a unionized workforce, and I think so much

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<v Speaker 1>of President Unified's policy, the news that's driven about President Unified,

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<v Speaker 1>the things that the Board of Trustees winds up having

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<v Speaker 1>to care about, is driven by the union. It's the

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<v Speaker 1>union on one side and the Board of Trustees on

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<v Speaker 1>the other. And the thing I always try to emphasize

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<v Speaker 1>to people the point of a union, the point of

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<v Speaker 1>a teacher's union is not actually to teach kids. An

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<v Speaker 1>individual teacher might have as a goal teaching kids. That

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<v Speaker 1>the end goal towards which the teacher is ordered teaching

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<v Speaker 1>a kid. But it's not the end goal the tellos

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<v Speaker 1>towards which a union is ordered. Unions are ordered. A

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<v Speaker 1>It's Greek word tellos. Okay, A good union is one

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<v Speaker 1>that gets as much of the pie for its members

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<v Speaker 1>as it can. It gets its members high pay, it

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<v Speaker 1>creates more and more jobs for the workers within that

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<v Speaker 1>that that union represents. So if there's more workers, it

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<v Speaker 1>means more dues to the union, more power for the union,

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<v Speaker 1>more jobs, higher pay, fewer hours, better benefits, better conditions.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the job of a union. Okay, that's the end

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<v Speaker 1>goal towards which it is ordered. If a kid happens

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<v Speaker 1>to learn something, well, that might be a happy byproduct

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<v Speaker 1>of the union doing its job, but its job is

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<v Speaker 1>fundamentally not educating kids. The union's job fundamentally is getting

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<v Speaker 1>money for adults. And this is what causes us to

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<v Speaker 1>in left wing politics to their because they're so pro union,

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<v Speaker 1>they get so focused on that that they forget all right,

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<v Speaker 1>this is like a public service job. There's a public

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<v Speaker 1>a certain sort of, i'd say over idealistic vision in

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<v Speaker 1>to play, the idea that no public schools are about.

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<v Speaker 1>It's about more than simply preparing young people for the

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<v Speaker 1>job market or for college. It is forming the next

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<v Speaker 1>generation of responsible citizenry, providing a generation of citizenry with

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<v Speaker 1>contribute to a democratic form of government, a form of

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<v Speaker 1>government that has democratic elements to it. In California, we

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<v Speaker 1>have a lot of direct democracy where the people are

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<v Speaker 1>straight up voting up or down on laws. Everyone has

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<v Speaker 1>the right to vote. People have the right to vote

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<v Speaker 1>for the people who will represent them in Congress, in

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<v Speaker 1>the state Assembly, in the state Senate, vote for the

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<v Speaker 1>US senators, vote for the governors. And basically, if you

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<v Speaker 1>have a populace who is completely unformed and uninformed and uneducated,

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<v Speaker 1>because if they don't actually know cow excrement from shinola,

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<v Speaker 1>then how can they meaningfully contribute to governance, How can

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<v Speaker 1>they meaningfully play a part in a democratic society if

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<v Speaker 1>they're not well educated. So this is part of the

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<v Speaker 1>great motivation for compulsory public funded K through twelve education

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<v Speaker 1>is that we need an educated citizen rate if we're

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<v Speaker 1>democratic experiment, we need an educated citizen. Right, It's an

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<v Speaker 1>urgent must, so that there is an element of service

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<v Speaker 1>to this. And if so much of our conversations about teachers,

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<v Speaker 1>so much of our conversation about in the specific context

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<v Speaker 1>of President Unified, if so much of our conversation is

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<v Speaker 1>dominated by the union and its debates with the board

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<v Speaker 1>of trustees, and really our main focus, that the main

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<v Speaker 1>focus of such discussions is money for adults. That's the

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<v Speaker 1>main focus, money for adults. If that continues to be

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<v Speaker 1>the main focus, then we run the risk of missing

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<v Speaker 1>the forest for the trees, missing what is the whole

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<v Speaker 1>point of this enterprise. It's a public service. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>a revenue generating business where you have management, capital ownership

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<v Speaker 1>That's the case in a private business. In a private business, therefore,

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<v Speaker 1>I think labor unions make all the sense in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Where there is risk, that there's serious risks of worker exploitation. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>what is the risk of worker exploitation when you're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about an enterprise that we know is losing money? That

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<v Speaker 1>is about public service. We want to pay that. There

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<v Speaker 1>is a there is a natural politically motivated instinct to

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<v Speaker 1>want to pay teachers better. They're not fighting with anybody.

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<v Speaker 1>Politicians wo support from teachers, and thus the focus of

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<v Speaker 1>these things, the focus of boards of trustees should be

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<v Speaker 1>very squarely on improving educational outcomes rather than haggling over money.

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<v Speaker 1>How much money adults are going to get? And I

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<v Speaker 1>kind of don't believe in the walk and chew gum theory,

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<v Speaker 1>the idea, well, they can have productive discussions about paying

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<v Speaker 1>adults well and be focused on educating kids when so

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<v Speaker 1>much of policy effort attention is focused on the CBA

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<v Speaker 1>negotiating things with the union. I think people only have

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<v Speaker 1>a certain quantum of attention. I really do believe this.

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<v Speaker 1>one thing, say well I have time for this, Well, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know that you do. I really think human

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<v Speaker 1>beings only have a certain quantum, and certainly some human

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<v Speaker 1>beings make that quantum much bigger and they have a bigger,

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<v Speaker 1>broader capacity to do a lot a lot of things.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think attention is time is effort, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think President Unified has been great in its focus on

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<v Speaker 1>paying adults. God knows that teachers in California make significantly

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<v Speaker 1>more on average then President Unified. Teachers make more on

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<v Speaker 1>average than similarly situated, similarly educated adults in Fresno County.

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<v Speaker 1>They do. Now, a lot of that is stacked towards

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<v Speaker 1>the people with a lot of seniority, and new teachers

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<v Speaker 1>aren't paid very much. But on average, teachers in President

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<v Speaker 1>Unified are making quite a bit of money. And this

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<v Speaker 1>is one of a million stories about President Unified. This

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<v Speaker 1>is not a huge story. Here's the headline from GV

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<v Speaker 1>wire story written by Anya ellis money, not instruction. Time

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<v Speaker 1>is at the heart of a designated school of the

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<v Speaker 1>Designated Schools negotiations. Close to a year, Presney Unified and

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<v Speaker 1>its teachers' union have been haggling over the district's proposed

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<v Speaker 1>elimination of its Designated Schools program. Money is at the

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<v Speaker 1>heart of the ongoing dispute about the program that provides

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<v Speaker 1>extended day learning for students at forty schools. The district

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<v Speaker 1>says it is critical to cut costs due to declining

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<v Speaker 1>enrollment and low average daily attendance. The Designated Schools program's

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<v Speaker 1>thirty million dollar price tag is one money saving area.

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<v Speaker 1>We need to save some to deal with the budget

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<v Speaker 1>cuts we're facing, said Nicki Henry Fresney unfied's chief communications officer,

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<v Speaker 1>in addition to the expense of paying teachers additional wages

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<v Speaker 1>for their longer day ding ding ding, ding ding ding Ding.

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<v Speaker 1>Fresne Unified says an analysis of the program indicated that

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<v Speaker 1>it hasn't produced sufficient academic gains. However, Fresno Teachers Association

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<v Speaker 1>president Manuel Bania says that dropping Designated Schools amounts to

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<v Speaker 1>a salary cut for teachers at a time when the

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<v Speaker 1>district should prioritize investing in them. No, no teacher salaries

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<v Speaker 1>is probably a massive part of the president Unified budget.

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<v Speaker 1>So here you see, here you see in black and white,

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<v Speaker 1>we have forty schools in President Unified that provide this

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<v Speaker 1>extended day learning. The district says, it's not actually helping

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<v Speaker 1>improve outcomes. We're facing budget cuts, we want to cut

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<v Speaker 1>these programs. If teachers were focused on the public service aspect,

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<v Speaker 1>if teachers were ordered towards actually teaching kids, they would say, well,

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<v Speaker 1>if it's not helping, then we don't need to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's not what's happening. The teachers are being represented

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<v Speaker 1>by a union, and the role of the union is

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<v Speaker 1>what keeping teachers salaries high. If you have extended day learning,

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<v Speaker 1>it means teachers get more hours, means teachers get more pay,

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<v Speaker 1>and at the end of the day, that's what the

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<v Speaker 1>teacher's union cares about. So this is just another of

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<v Speaker 1>an infinite number of stories that demonstrate this dynamic. The

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<v Speaker 1>interest of the union is not necessarily the same as

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<v Speaker 1>the interest of teaching kids. If it were, they'd probably

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<v Speaker 1>if they were solely focused on the kids, they would say, okay, yeah, well,

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<v Speaker 1>let's divert this money to something more useful. Let's, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>let's work on this, but no, they want to sit

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<v Speaker 1>around collecting pay for a program that isn't really helping.

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<v Speaker 1>When we return, we'll talk more about this whole dynamic that, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the Teachers' Union doesn't actually teach a kid, but they're

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<v Speaker 1>the ones guiding the whole discussion sentence. Next on the

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<v Speaker 1>John Girardi Show, let me give you another example of

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<v Speaker 1>this whole phenomenon. The goal of the teachers Union is

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<v Speaker 1>not actually to teach. The goal of the teachers Union

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<v Speaker 1>is money. And you can see that priority when it

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<v Speaker 1>comes to certain kinds of academic things, things involving allowing

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<v Speaker 1>teachers to teach better. All right, this was around November

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<v Speaker 1>of twenty three. November of twenty three, we have the

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<v Speaker 1>big contract that finally got signed between President Teachers and

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<v Speaker 1>Presney Unified. And it's a big collectively bargain agreement. And

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<v Speaker 1>in a collectively bargain agreement between a labor union on

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<v Speaker 1>one side and the business on the other side, or

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<v Speaker 1>in this case, the Board of Trustees and the labor union.

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<v Speaker 1>In this case, you can put all kinds of stuff

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<v Speaker 1>in a CBA. I look at like the CBA that

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<v Speaker 1>the NFL Players Union signs with the NFL with the owners,

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<v Speaker 1>and they put in all kinds of stuff to eat.

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<v Speaker 1>The players have put in all kinds of stuff for

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<v Speaker 1>player safety, limiting practices, limiting contact practices. There are all

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<v Speaker 1>kinds of rules limiting stuff in the interest of player safety.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that doesn't have to do with dollars and cents,

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<v Speaker 1>but the union membership thought it was important, and so

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<v Speaker 1>the union pushed for it, and that that became part

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<v Speaker 1>of the negotiations, not just straight up compensation. We get

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<v Speaker 1>X percentage of the profits. You get why percentage of

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<v Speaker 1>the profits? You can put anything like that in a CBA.

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<v Speaker 1>Like two months after that was signed, a big story

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<v Speaker 1>came out about how Fresno teachers feel like they don't

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<v Speaker 1>have backing from the district to enforce a no cell

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<v Speaker 1>phones in class policy. We learned that one president Unified

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<v Speaker 1>hasn't updated their cell phone policy since two thousand and four,

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<v Speaker 1>which seems like a lapse, but when you look at

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<v Speaker 1>the two thousand and four policy, it still works. It

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<v Speaker 1>basically says, hey, students may not have out with them

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<v Speaker 1>other than calculators, they may not have personal electronic devices.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that was written pre iPhone in like two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and four, but I think it still holds. That's the

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<v Speaker 1>rule that's still on the books. And you had teachers

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<v Speaker 1>complaining that they didn't feel like the district was backing

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<v Speaker 1>them and trying to get rid of smartphones, and they

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<v Speaker 1>interview the head of the President Teachers' Union saying it's terrible,

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<v Speaker 1>district's not supporting us. You just signed a CBA. Why

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<v Speaker 1>didn't you put that in the CBA adopting a clear

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<v Speaker 1>cut policy with clear cut enforcement standards updated for twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four, saying students may not have smart cell phones

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<v Speaker 1>during class. Teachers may remove them. If we do X,

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<v Speaker 1>Y and z, the district will back them. Blah blah

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<v Speaker 1>blah blah blah. You could have put that in the CBA,

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<v Speaker 1>but they didn't. Why Because the point of a teacher's

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<v Speaker 1>union is not who teach. The key point the tell us.

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<v Speaker 1>The end goal towards which a teacher's union is ordered

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<v Speaker 1>is fundamentally getting money for adults. That's it, not teaching.

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<v Speaker 1>That'll do it. John Dio already show see next time

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<v Speaker 1>on Power Talk
