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<v Speaker 1>The murder of seven year old Athena Strand has recently

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<v Speaker 1>gone viral following the recent twenty twenty six trial of

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<v Speaker 1>former FedEx driver Tanner Horn. It all started as an

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<v Speaker 1>ordinary evening in a quiet rural town in Texas, when

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<v Speaker 1>suddenly it turned into a massive missing child investigation after

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<v Speaker 1>Athena vanished from outside her home just weeks before Christmas.

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<v Speaker 1>But as investigators began tracing delivery roots, reviewing hidden truck footage,

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<v Speaker 1>and unraveling conflicting stories, the case quickly transformed into something

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<v Speaker 1>far darker than anyone initially realized, and what they eventually

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<v Speaker 1>uncovered would shock people across the country and globe, as

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<v Speaker 1>the story of a monster who stole a child would

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<v Speaker 1>leave an entire community forever changed. And I should warn

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<v Speaker 1>you this story deals in child abuse in violent and

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<v Speaker 1>sexual nature. This is the story of Athenis Strand.

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<v Speaker 2>My name's Ben, I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked

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<v Speaker 2>and Grim, a true crime podcasting. The following.

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<v Speaker 1>Material more mature audience listeners. Everything outside is just amazing

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<v Speaker 1>right now. The leaves are blooming, flowers around, Pollen is

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<v Speaker 1>in the air, isn't it, Nicole?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I might sound a little bit sick, but I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's just I don't know. The last two days

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<v Speaker 2>I've had really bad allergies and it's weird because I

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<v Speaker 2>haven't been affected by allergies for a few years, and

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<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden it's just like full throat all

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<v Speaker 2>this year.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you've done the honey trick before, you maybe should

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<v Speaker 1>be doing that like this year have been? You have

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<v Speaker 1>been doing it this year? Yeah, okay, okay, we'll never

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<v Speaker 1>mind if you guys don't know the honey trick. It's

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to be really good for allergies. You get honey

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<v Speaker 1>from your local area, which is made by bees from

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<v Speaker 1>the local pollen and flowers, and it's very much so

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<v Speaker 1>just like the same effect of when you get like

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<v Speaker 1>a vaccine or a booster shot, except it's a natural

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<v Speaker 1>version of it where you get the bit of the

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<v Speaker 1>pollen and it helps your immunity.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, actually the honey I have is older. No, oh, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>is it older? I don't know. I need to maybe

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<v Speaker 2>look at this because yeah, I've been struggling a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, let's go to the farmer's markets. We're going to

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<v Speaker 1>our farmer's market tomorrow. That's what we're gonna do, and

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna get you some honey from this year.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Okay, yeah, but I think too. It was just

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<v Speaker 2>that our spring hit hard this year, like it was

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<v Speaker 2>just like boom, that's true, boom, it's spring.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because like what a week ago we still had

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<v Speaker 1>like some snow piles and stuff, and now it's just

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<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden, it's been blue Blazer's sun golfing,

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<v Speaker 1>green grass outside.

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<v Speaker 2>Amazing. Yeah. So anyway, sorry for my voice. I've done

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<v Speaker 2>some things this morning to help it, but it's not

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<v Speaker 2>really helping.

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<v Speaker 1>You should have some tea as well, tea with honey

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<v Speaker 1>in it. Out out all right, We're gonna go to

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<v Speaker 1>the farmer's market, get some honey. We're going to go

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<v Speaker 1>to a grocery store, gets you your favorite tea. We

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<v Speaker 1>got to take care of you here, I know, no.

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<v Speaker 2>Shit, no shit. Yeah. But anyway, this case today, I've

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<v Speaker 2>been asking you to do it because it has just

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<v Speaker 2>been taken over my Facebook feed.

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<v Speaker 1>It's one of those ones that's gone extremely viral recently,

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<v Speaker 1>and it is a very new case. I mention it

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<v Speaker 1>actually in the context of this story later on in

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<v Speaker 1>the script, but I'll say it now as well. The

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<v Speaker 1>resolution came three days ago. Three days ago we had

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<v Speaker 1>the sentencing phase and the hammer rained down. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>been yeah, it's been everywhere. Yeah, and it's such a

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<v Speaker 1>sad story. And if you are one of the people

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<v Speaker 1>who skip the intros, I suggest you go back and

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<v Speaker 1>listen to the intro because there is a bit of

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<v Speaker 1>a trigger warning regarding children this story.

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<v Speaker 2>I've really wanted to hear more about this story. So

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<v Speaker 2>I'm glad that you're doing it. And yeah, as I

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<v Speaker 2>was asking you to do it for quite some time,

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<v Speaker 2>but as soon as there was like that resolution, I'm like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>like you you've got to be on it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, No, you were sending me some stuff as

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<v Speaker 1>like the trial was going for sure. And then as

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<v Speaker 1>soon as it was like well, as soon as I

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<v Speaker 1>knew I was going to be doing the case this

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<v Speaker 1>Friday and I didn't have one picked out and I

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<v Speaker 1>knew it was resolved, I'm like, well, I'm doing the case.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's a lot of info out there on this

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<v Speaker 1>case because it's so public, there's a lot of articles,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot, but not many content creators have covered

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<v Speaker 1>it yet. Not many YouTubers or podcasts, So we are

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<v Speaker 1>one of the first to bring the story in the

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<v Speaker 1>forefront as far as this medium. But there is a

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<v Speaker 1>lot out there delivering all the information. So I had

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<v Speaker 1>a lot to sift through. I bet Yeah, what are

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<v Speaker 1>you ready for it?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I think we should dive in.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Well, this story starts off and takes place in Paradise,

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<v Speaker 1>literally Paradise, Texas. It's the kind of place where people

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<v Speaker 1>they have space between their homes and the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>the world. There's long stretches of rural roads that cut

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<v Speaker 1>through fields and trees, and properties sit far apart from

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<v Speaker 1>one another behind wire fences, gravel driveways, open lands, and

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<v Speaker 1>even farms. It's quiet. The town itself only had a

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<v Speaker 1>few thousand residents, and much of Wise County carried the

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<v Speaker 1>same slow pace and small town familiarity that many rural

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<v Speaker 1>Texas communities were known for. And in many ways, it

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<v Speaker 1>is exactly as as it's called. It's Paradise.

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<v Speaker 2>Seriously, like the town name is called Paradise.

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<v Speaker 1>It's called Paradise.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, you've already just got me the first freaking sentence.

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<v Speaker 1>Here, people recognize one in each other. Here, going to

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<v Speaker 1>gas stations or school events or local stores. Kids ride

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<v Speaker 1>bikes outside, Families let their children play in yards without

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<v Speaker 1>even thinking twice. It's just life, and Athena lived here.

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<v Speaker 1>She was born on May twenty third, twenty fifteen, so

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<v Speaker 1>by late twenty twenty two she wasn't far off from

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<v Speaker 1>turning eight years old. She lived with her father, Jacob Strand,

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<v Speaker 1>and her stepmother Ashley, on a rural property outside of Paradise.

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<v Speaker 1>The home sat on several acres of land, with outbuildings nearby,

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<v Speaker 1>including a converted shed which was storage, but it had

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<v Speaker 1>been turned into a bedroom area. It was the kind

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<v Speaker 1>of property where children can go out and roam and explore.

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<v Speaker 1>People who knew Athena described her as loud, but in

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<v Speaker 1>the best way possible. She was energetic, outspoken, funny, and

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<v Speaker 1>deeply emotional. She also loved the color pink. She loved barbies,

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<v Speaker 1>but she also loved art and drawing. She was very

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<v Speaker 1>creative and very caring, but also wild and full of energy.

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<v Speaker 1>She was also described as the kind of child who

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<v Speaker 1>was always seeming to have a smile on her face.

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<v Speaker 1>Athena also had a habit of speaking her mind too.

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<v Speaker 1>If she was excited, people knew about it. And if

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<v Speaker 1>she was upset, well, people also knew about it. To

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<v Speaker 1>say the least, there was nothing quiet or reserved about

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<v Speaker 1>her personality. Family members even described her as the type

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<v Speaker 1>of child who filled every room the moment she walked

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<v Speaker 1>into it. At school, she was known for being social

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<v Speaker 1>and affectionate towards other students. Her teacher, Lindsey Thompson, said

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<v Speaker 1>that Athena had a huge personality. It was the kind

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<v Speaker 1>of student who constantly stood out in class. She also

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<v Speaker 1>said that Athena often tried to include other classmates who

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<v Speaker 1>were sitting alone or who were upset. She could be

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<v Speaker 1>emotional and dramatic one moment, then completely carefree the next,

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<v Speaker 1>but to the adults around her, she still felt very

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<v Speaker 1>much so like a little kid. I mean, that's what

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<v Speaker 1>she was. She was seven years old. She was someone

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<v Speaker 1>who was playful, trusting, and curious about the world around

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<v Speaker 1>her now. Athena's teacher also described another moment that soon

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<v Speaker 1>came to haunt her. Actually, you see, during one school conversation,

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<v Speaker 1>Miss Thompson had apparently asked the students a simple question

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<v Speaker 1>about the future. She asked them if they had a tomorrow,

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<v Speaker 1>trying to give them a sense of time and space

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<v Speaker 1>and thinking ahead, looking forward to the future, and Athena

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<v Speaker 1>enthusiastically answered yes, as if she couldn't wait for it

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<v Speaker 1>to come. But unfortunately, as we all know, tomorrow sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't come for us all. By the fall of twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty two, Athena was living in ordinary childhood life in

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<v Speaker 1>rural Texas. Christmas was approaching, school was still in session,

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<v Speaker 1>and the weather had started cooling down. Wednesday, November thirtieth,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty two, was just another day for the Strand family.

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<v Speaker 1>Athena had spent part of her day at school before

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<v Speaker 1>returning home to the family's property outside of Paradise. The

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<v Speaker 1>area around the house was rural spread out. As I mentioned,

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<v Speaker 1>her father, Jacob was preparing to leave for a hunting

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<v Speaker 1>and camping trip later that evening. Back at the house,

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<v Speaker 1>Ashley was preparing dinner. Her stepmother. Athena had reportedly been

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<v Speaker 1>helping sort laundry near that converted shed bedroom area around

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<v Speaker 1>the same time. Tanner was working as a delivery driver

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<v Speaker 1>on his route. Tanner was thirty one years old at

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<v Speaker 1>the time, working as a contracted FedEx driver through a

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<v Speaker 1>company called Big Top Spin. Now, unlike direct FedEx employees.

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<v Speaker 1>Contracted drivers often worked long rural delivery routes with less

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<v Speaker 1>direct oversight. Tanner's route that day took him through Wise

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<v Speaker 1>County and the surrounding rural communities like Paradise. On his deliveries.

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<v Speaker 1>He was described that day as being very polite, joking

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<v Speaker 1>about Christmas deliveries and all the packages that were coming through,

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<v Speaker 1>and even behaving completely normal. That normal appearance would later

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<v Speaker 1>become one of the most disturbing aspects of this case.

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<v Speaker 1>Investigators would eventually discover that while families were decorating for

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<v Speaker 1>Christmas and children were playing outside, Tanner was moving through

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<v Speaker 1>rural neighborhoods on that FedEx truck carrying hundreds of packages,

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<v Speaker 1>and prosecutors would argue he was already planning violence at

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<v Speaker 1>that moment. Now, at some point that afternoon, Tanner arrived

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<v Speaker 1>at the Strand property to deliver a package that contained

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<v Speaker 1>Barbie dolls from the You Can Be Anything Barbie line,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was meant to be a Christmas gift for Athena.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course it was. Yeah, okay. I also just have

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<v Speaker 2>to say, Athena just seems ridiculously lovely.

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<v Speaker 1>She does like a literal gem.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, yeah, like just a little I don't know, beautiful soul.

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<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 1>So sometime after that delivery, Athena was outside near the

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<v Speaker 1>shed helping sort that laundry, and according to later evidence

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<v Speaker 1>presented in court, this is likely Tanner encountered her again,

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<v Speaker 1>and then moments later, Athena was suddenly gone. At first,

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<v Speaker 1>it was assumed Athena had wandered around the property or

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<v Speaker 1>hid and you know, doing what she usually does right,

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<v Speaker 1>not coming out right away, what any child would want

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<v Speaker 1>to do something like that. So when her stepmom, Ashley

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<v Speaker 1>began to worry about this, she didn't have panic setting

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<v Speaker 1>in right away, at least not yet, because she's probably somewhere.

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<v Speaker 1>The property had plenty of places for a child to

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<v Speaker 1>disappear too briefly, so family members checked the usual spots first.

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<v Speaker 1>They searched around the house, around the converted shed, and

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<v Speaker 1>around nearby vehicles and outbuildings. At one point they even

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<v Speaker 1>checked a pear tree that Athena liked to climb. Ashley

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<v Speaker 1>called out for her repeatedly, over and over, expecting to

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<v Speaker 1>hear an answer back at any moment, and then the

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<v Speaker 1>warry would just melt away, but there was nothing. As

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<v Speaker 1>the minutes passed by, and darkness slowly came blanketing over

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<v Speaker 1>the Texas countryside. The warry got hit and heavier, and then,

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<v Speaker 1>approximately by six forty one PM, a nine to one

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<v Speaker 1>one call was officially made to report Athena missing. The

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<v Speaker 1>and the flashing lights soon filled the property while officers

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<v Speaker 1>Search teams began organizing, neighbors started joining the effort, and

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<v Speaker 1>Helicopters arrived soon too, their lights swept across the property

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<v Speaker 1>in surrounding countryside, as darkness had officially settled over Paradise,

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<v Speaker 1>both literally and metaphorically. For the Strand family, the realization

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<v Speaker 1>and in what seemed like the blink of an eye,

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<v Speaker 1>knew almost immediately that the timeline did not make sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Athena had vanished within an extremely small window, with no

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<v Speaker 1>suggestions or sightings or screams or anything being around, no struggle,

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<v Speaker 1>no nothing. Throughout the night, the Strand family waited with

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<v Speaker 1>bated breath while authority searched the surrounding countryside. Athena's father, Jacob,

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<v Speaker 1>later described the emotional collapse that followed. See he had

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<v Speaker 1>search operations intensified around the property. At the same time,

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<v Speaker 1>investigators began trying to reconstruct Athena's final known movements minute

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<v Speaker 1>by minute, and one of the earliest breakthroughs came from

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<v Speaker 1>the FedEx delivery records. Investigators soon learned that a package

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<v Speaker 1>had been delivered to the Strand home shortly before Athena disappeared,

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<v Speaker 1>and investigators quickly began tracing the root information connected to

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<v Speaker 1>the driver responsible for that stop, which was Tanner Horn.

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<v Speaker 1>The FBI became heavily involved as authorities worked to map

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<v Speaker 1>Tanner's movements through GPS data, delivery logs, and even TROCK activity.

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<v Speaker 1>According to later testimony from FBI agent Patrick Maguire, investigators

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<v Speaker 1>discovered a troubling gap in Tanner's delivery every timeline that

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<v Speaker 1>evening see there was roughly a thirty minute period that

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<v Speaker 1>did not line up cleanly with his scheduled route, and

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<v Speaker 1>when agents contacted Tanner by phone, what he said immediately

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<v Speaker 1>raised some suspicion. See At first, Tanner reportedly claimed that

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<v Speaker 1>he had seen a suspicious green Chevrolet astro van near

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<v Speaker 1>the strand property. According to his story, the van had

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<v Speaker 1>concerned him enough that he actually even remembered it specifically. However,

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<v Speaker 1>investigators would later discover that there was no evidence supporting

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<v Speaker 1>the existence of that vehicle. Tanner also reportedly claimed that

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<v Speaker 1>during part of his route he had stopped because he

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<v Speaker 1>felt sick and needed to vomit. But as investigators continued

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<v Speaker 1>checking his movements, the inconsistencies just kept growing, and what

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<v Speaker 1>investigators did not realize initially was that the most important

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<v Speaker 1>evidence in the case was already sitting inside Tanner's delivery truck.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'm actually shocked that he still did the delivery.

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<v Speaker 2>I expected that if he was, I don't know, doing

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<v Speaker 2>some shady shit, that he wouldn't also leave the package.

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<v Speaker 2>Like that's ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, no matter whether he left it or not, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a delivery root schedule that's going to be filed away, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so it still would have been.

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<v Speaker 1>It's still there exactly, So no matter you dropping the

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<v Speaker 1>package off or not. In fact, I would argue that

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<v Speaker 1>not dropping off the package is even more suspicious.

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<v Speaker 2>Would make you look more guilty.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, in my perspective. Yeah, Now, the FedEx vehicle assigned

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<v Speaker 1>to Tanner's route was equipped with an internal security camera

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<v Speaker 1>designed to monitor both inside and outside activity involved in

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<v Speaker 1>the truck. Now, they knew they needed to investigate the truck.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what investigators knew. So once investigators secured access to

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<v Speaker 1>it and the footage, they began reviewing the recordings from

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<v Speaker 1>November thirtieth in hopes of clarifying Tanner's movements during the

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<v Speaker 1>period surrounding Athie in his disappearance. Now, Instead, they uncovered

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<v Speaker 1>evidence that fundamentally changed the direction of this investigation. According

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<v Speaker 1>to prosecutors later at trial, portions of the truck camera

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<v Speaker 1>system appeared to have been intentionally covered prior to Tanner

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<v Speaker 1>arriving at the Strand property. It seemed that the front

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<v Speaker 1>facing camera had been obstructed roughly an hour before Athena

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<v Speaker 1>was abducted, suggesting that Tanner may have already been preparing

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<v Speaker 1>to commit a violent crime before ever even even encountering

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<v Speaker 1>Athena at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Geez and was it going to be her or we

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<v Speaker 2>don't really know.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't really know, but it seems like it was

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<v Speaker 1>just in preparation for whoever he encountered.

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<v Speaker 2>Jeez.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, despite portions of the visual recording being blocked, the

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<v Speaker 1>truck still captured crucial footage and audio alike. Investigators reviewing

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<v Speaker 1>the recordings discovered that Athena had in fact been inside

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<v Speaker 1>the truck after disappearing from the property. It seemed like

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<v Speaker 1>she was fine when she entered the vehicle, well somewhat anyways.

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<v Speaker 1>They also saw allegedly Tanner placing his hand over Athena's

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<v Speaker 1>mouth after getting her into the truck, And what made

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<v Speaker 1>the footage even more disturbing was that although the visual

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<v Speaker 1>recordings were eventually obstructed, the audio still continued to run

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<v Speaker 1>for an extended period of time. The recording captured Tanner

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<v Speaker 1>speaking to Athena. He asked her questions about her age,

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<v Speaker 1>where she went to school, all while warning her repeatedly

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<v Speaker 1>not to scream. At various points, he threatened to hurt

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<v Speaker 1>her if she didn't stay quiet when she's asking, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>where are we going? He eventually even told her that

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to quote hang out. Then, as the recordings continued,

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<v Speaker 1>Athena could reportedly be heard beginning to cry and as

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<v Speaker 1>she was trying to understand what was going on. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure that was a lot of emotion for such a

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<v Speaker 1>young girl. At one point, Tanner allegedly instructed her to

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<v Speaker 1>remove her shirt. During another portion of the recording, Athena

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<v Speaker 1>asked him if he he was a kidnapper. Now, one

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<v Speaker 1>of the most disturbing moments investigators heard came when Athena

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<v Speaker 1>asked Tanner why he was doing this to her, and,

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<v Speaker 1>according to the recordings, he responded by saying, quote, because

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<v Speaker 2>Pretty holy shit.

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<v Speaker 1>The audio reportedly continued like this for more than an hour.

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<v Speaker 1>As investigators compared the recordings against the GPS data delivery

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<v Speaker 1>timelines and Tanner's statements, his explanations for what had happened

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<v Speaker 1>was clearly bullshit when you look at the evidence on hand.

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<v Speaker 1>For investigators, the truck recording quickly became the most important

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<v Speaker 1>piece of evidence in the entire case, But at that

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<v Speaker 1>stage of the investigation, law enforcement still faced another urgent problem.

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<v Speaker 1>They still had not found Athena. When investigators pressed Tanner

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<v Speaker 1>about what they had found, while he reportedly claimed that

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<v Speaker 1>Athena had seen him snorting cocaine in his truck after

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<v Speaker 1>the delivery, and then that's when he panicked because he

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<v Speaker 1>was afraid he was going to lose his job and

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<v Speaker 1>potentially lose access to his own son if Athena told

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<v Speaker 1>anyone what she had seen. But even that explanation did

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<v Speaker 1>not fit the evidence investigators were looking at. So of

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<v Speaker 1>course Tanner changed his story again.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, that doesn't make sense if he had premeditation

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<v Speaker 2>of covering up cameras and.

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<v Speaker 1>Such exactly now. Next he allegedly claimed that Athena had

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<v Speaker 1>somehow been accidentally hit by the truck and that he

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<v Speaker 1>panicked afterwards. But still investigators were struggling to reconcile that

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<v Speaker 1>explanation too with what they were actually hearing on the recordings.

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<v Speaker 1>It didn't make any sense. There's the prolonged cries, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>screams that could be hurt. The threats, and the length

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<v Speaker 1>of the audio all pointed towards an ongoing, controlled situation

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<v Speaker 1>rather than someone reacting irrationally after an incident like hitting

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<v Speaker 1>a child with a vehicle. And then investigators were introduced

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<v Speaker 1>to someone Tanner referred to as zero. Now during questioning,

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<v Speaker 1>Tanner reportedly began talking about another personality or version of

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<v Speaker 1>himself that he claimed had taken over. According to investigators,

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<v Speaker 1>his demeanor would sometimes change during interviews. At times, he

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<v Speaker 1>altered his speech patterns and mannerisms while attempting to separate

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<v Speaker 1>himself from the violence that had actually happened inside that truck.

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<v Speaker 1>According to statements that investigators would later document, Tanner at

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<v Speaker 1>one point said I didn't do it, but he did.

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<v Speaker 1>He also reportedly said quote, I'm wondering who the hell's

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<v Speaker 1>been in my head this whole time. For investigators trying

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<v Speaker 1>to locate Athena as quickly as possible, the situation became

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<v Speaker 1>increasingly frustrating. Seemed every time they believed Tanner might finally

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<v Speaker 1>be giving them truthful information, the story would just shift

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<v Speaker 1>once again. Different explanations overlapped each other, certain details would change,

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<v Speaker 1>and other details directly contradicted the evidence investigators already had

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<v Speaker 1>right in front of them. And at the center of

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<v Speaker 1>it all was the most important unanswered question of the case.

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<v Speaker 1>Where was Athena. Investigators pushed Tanner repeatedly for her location,

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<v Speaker 1>but even then he continued to well negotiate. He even

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<v Speaker 1>asked if he could spend one final Christmas with his

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<v Speaker 1>son in exchange for information on Athena, but that request

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<v Speaker 1>was denied. Then Tanner began giving authorities different locations where

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<v Speaker 1>he claimed Athena could be found. The first location was false.

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<v Speaker 1>Investigators searched the area realized fairly quickly that they were

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<v Speaker 1>being misled, and eventually, though the investigators finally began getting

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<v Speaker 1>information that actually appeared to be a bit more credible.

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<v Speaker 1>Tanner directed authorities towards an area near the Trinity River

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<v Speaker 1>system southeast of Paradise, so search teams and investigators moved

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<v Speaker 1>into the area while continuing to verify the information he

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<v Speaker 1>was actually providing. Now at this point, investigators, of course

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<v Speaker 1>already feared the worst. Audio evidence they heard from inside

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<v Speaker 1>the truck made it painfully cleared that Athena was likely

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<v Speaker 1>no longer alive. The audio very clearly henced that a

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<v Speaker 1>murder took place as well.

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<v Speaker 2>This is just brutal because it's also so almost relatable

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<v Speaker 2>because who doesn't get packages delivered right, and you wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>think twice about the delivery person being like a complete monster.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's what this was. That delivery brought a monster

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<v Speaker 1>to their very doorstep, Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>My gosh, delivering a Christmas present for her, which is

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<v Speaker 2>just horrible.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, no matter what authorities assumed or feared they needed

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<v Speaker 1>to find Athena, it was December twond twenty twenty two

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<v Speaker 1>and nearly two full days had passed since Athena had disappeared.

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<v Speaker 1>Search teams had spent countless hours coming through fields, roads,

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<v Speaker 1>wooded areas, drainage ditches, and rural properties throughout Wise County

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<v Speaker 1>hoping to find her alive, and now investigators were heading

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<v Speaker 1>towards a secluded creek area based on the directions provided

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<v Speaker 1>by Tanner. As investigators moved into the area near the

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<v Speaker 1>Trinity River System, all hope disappeared. As Athena's body was

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<v Speaker 1>of Paradise. The discovery was heavy, and it confirmed the

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<v Speaker 1>fears investigators had already begun carrying privately while reviewing the

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<v Speaker 1>evidence inside the truck. Now, the recovery scene itself was

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<v Speaker 1>emotionally devastating for the investigators involved, and authority soon began

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<v Speaker 1>processing the area while the crime scene personnel documented the location,

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<v Speaker 1>condition of evidence surrounding Athena's body everything they could. Her

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<v Speaker 1>clothes had reportedly either been removed or partially removed during

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<v Speaker 1>the attack, and investigators later recovered additional clothing items separately.

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<v Speaker 1>After realizing Tanner had not been fully truthful about where

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<v Speaker 1>certain evidence had been discarded. At the same time, investigators

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<v Speaker 1>were allo beginning to understand just how much evidence still

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<v Speaker 1>might exist inside that FedEx truck itself. The audio recordings,

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<v Speaker 1>the GPS data, the timeline gaps, the body recovery location

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<v Speaker 1>were now starting to form a much clearer picture of

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<v Speaker 1>the crime, and with every new discovery, Tanner's explanations were

419
00:25:18.200 --> 00:25:22.680
<v Speaker 1>becoming harder and harder to believe. Now that Athena had

420
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<v Speaker 1>been found, the focus of the investigation shifted to reconstructing

421
00:25:26.599 --> 00:25:30.240
<v Speaker 1>exactly what had happened to Athena after she disappeared from

422
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<v Speaker 1>the Strand property and determining what physical evidence Tanner may

423
00:25:33.880 --> 00:25:38.519
<v Speaker 1>have left behind during the murder and the attack. Investigators

424
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<v Speaker 1>began processing nearly everything connected to Tanner's movements over those

425
00:25:43.119 --> 00:25:47.359
<v Speaker 1>two days, that included the FedEx truck itself, Tanner's clothing,

426
00:25:47.799 --> 00:25:52.759
<v Speaker 1>evidence recovered during the autopsy, digital records, root information, GPS tracking,

427
00:25:52.799 --> 00:25:57.799
<v Speaker 1>Internet search history, and locations Tanner even visited after Athena disappeared,

428
00:25:58.799 --> 00:26:00.680
<v Speaker 1>and the FedEx truck quickly be came one of those

429
00:26:00.720 --> 00:26:04.559
<v Speaker 1>most important pieces of information. I mean, it was the

430
00:26:04.599 --> 00:26:09.359
<v Speaker 1>crime scene itself, after all. Inside the vehicle, investigators already

431
00:26:09.400 --> 00:26:13.640
<v Speaker 1>had the audio recordings and the footage, but the physical

432
00:26:13.680 --> 00:26:16.640
<v Speaker 1>process of the truck itself added another layer of evidence

433
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<v Speaker 1>on top of it.

434
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<v Speaker 2>All.

435
00:26:18.880 --> 00:26:23.039
<v Speaker 1>Investigators reportedly found signs suggesting portions of the truck had

436
00:26:23.079 --> 00:26:26.680
<v Speaker 1>been cleaned after Athena was murdered inside, and as they

437
00:26:26.720 --> 00:26:29.720
<v Speaker 1>reconstructed Tanner's movements, they learned that he had stopped at

438
00:26:29.720 --> 00:26:32.000
<v Speaker 1>a Love's Travel Shop after the attack, which is a

439
00:26:32.000 --> 00:26:36.599
<v Speaker 1>place that is essentially a convenience store. According to investigators,

440
00:26:36.640 --> 00:26:39.680
<v Speaker 1>Tanner had borrowed some cleaning supplies there and attempted to

441
00:26:39.720 --> 00:26:42.759
<v Speaker 1>clean portions of the truck before eventually returning the vehicle

442
00:26:43.079 --> 00:26:48.119
<v Speaker 1>to service the following day. Authorities also began examining Tanner's

443
00:26:48.160 --> 00:26:53.400
<v Speaker 1>digital activity following the disappearance too. During the investigation, they

444
00:26:53.440 --> 00:26:57.359
<v Speaker 1>reportedly discovered Internet searches connected to the case itself, including

445
00:26:57.440 --> 00:27:02.680
<v Speaker 1>searches asking if FedEx truck cameras were constantly recording, as

446
00:27:02.759 --> 00:27:06.440
<v Speaker 1>well as searches involving the Missing Paradise Girl investigation.

447
00:27:08.160 --> 00:27:08.319
<v Speaker 2>Now.

448
00:27:08.359 --> 00:27:11.480
<v Speaker 1>At the same time, forensic investigators were working through the

449
00:27:11.519 --> 00:27:16.279
<v Speaker 1>evidence recovered during Athena's autopsy, and ultimately the medical examination

450
00:27:16.400 --> 00:27:19.599
<v Speaker 1>determined that Athena had died from a combination of blunt

451
00:27:19.640 --> 00:27:26.799
<v Speaker 1>force injuries, smothering, and strangulation. But that's not all. Investigators

452
00:27:26.839 --> 00:27:30.640
<v Speaker 1>also performed a rape kit and recovered biological evidence that

453
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<v Speaker 1>suggested some form of sexual assault may have occurred during

454
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<v Speaker 1>the attack. Now, I say may have very carefully here

455
00:27:38.640 --> 00:27:42.799
<v Speaker 1>for good reason, which comes up in the trial later on. Now,

456
00:27:43.559 --> 00:27:47.480
<v Speaker 1>male DNA was reportedly recovered from swabs taken during the examination,

457
00:27:47.599 --> 00:27:54.720
<v Speaker 1>including vaginal swabs may have been Investigators also reportedly recovered

458
00:27:54.759 --> 00:27:59.440
<v Speaker 1>Tanner's DNA from underneath Athena's fingernails, suggesting a physical struggle

459
00:27:59.599 --> 00:28:02.279
<v Speaker 1>to fight back during that attack.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, this is just so disturbing because she

461
00:28:05.359 --> 00:28:08.599
<v Speaker 2>is freaking seven years old, I know, and she was

462
00:28:08.720 --> 00:28:11.480
<v Speaker 2>just yeah, like fighting for her life. But what can

463
00:28:11.519 --> 00:28:14.279
<v Speaker 2>a little seven year old do to like a grown

464
00:28:14.319 --> 00:28:15.039
<v Speaker 2>ass man? You know?

465
00:28:15.200 --> 00:28:19.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she is probably like he's probably three times her size,

466
00:28:19.599 --> 00:28:20.960
<v Speaker 1>two times at the very least.

467
00:28:21.119 --> 00:28:23.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh gosh, I think it'd be at least three times.

468
00:28:23.480 --> 00:28:27.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly right. So that is like, what hope does

469
00:28:27.519 --> 00:28:31.200
<v Speaker 1>someone have Try fighting off someone three times your size.

470
00:28:31.319 --> 00:28:34.720
<v Speaker 1>You can do something. There's a chance fight like, and

471
00:28:34.799 --> 00:28:40.480
<v Speaker 1>Atheno clearly was. But the hope is so slim yeah Now.

472
00:28:40.519 --> 00:28:43.720
<v Speaker 1>Additional evidence was reportedly found on Tanner's clothing as well.

473
00:28:44.279 --> 00:28:48.319
<v Speaker 1>Investigators would later identify blood evidence and semen on portions

474
00:28:48.319 --> 00:28:52.599
<v Speaker 1>of Tanner's FedEx uniform recovered during the investigation, and as

475
00:28:52.640 --> 00:28:57.440
<v Speaker 1>forensic analysis continued processing the evidence, investigators also began comparing

476
00:28:57.880 --> 00:29:02.200
<v Speaker 1>everything against Tanner's changing explanations for what had happened, and

477
00:29:02.240 --> 00:29:05.839
<v Speaker 1>the deeper they looked, the less believable his already far

478
00:29:05.880 --> 00:29:09.559
<v Speaker 1>fetch stories became. And while this was all going on,

479
00:29:09.680 --> 00:29:14.559
<v Speaker 1>investigators also began piecing together more information about Tanner himself.

480
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<v Speaker 1>Tanner was thirty one years old at the time of

481
00:29:17.759 --> 00:29:21.359
<v Speaker 1>Athenis murder. He worked as a contracted FedEx delivery driver

482
00:29:21.480 --> 00:29:24.759
<v Speaker 1>through Big Top Spin. To many people who encountered him

483
00:29:24.799 --> 00:29:28.359
<v Speaker 1>during his roots, he appeared fairly ordinary, even polite and conversational.

484
00:29:28.920 --> 00:29:32.599
<v Speaker 1>He even was normal around families with children, But that

485
00:29:32.759 --> 00:29:35.119
<v Speaker 1>contrast would become one of the most disturbing aspects of

486
00:29:35.160 --> 00:29:39.519
<v Speaker 1>this entire case. As investigators dug into Tanner's background, they

487
00:29:39.559 --> 00:29:44.640
<v Speaker 1>began uncovering a history marked by instability, emotional problems, and

488
00:29:44.720 --> 00:29:49.200
<v Speaker 1>troubling behavior dating back years, and Tanner even grew up

489
00:29:49.200 --> 00:29:53.519
<v Speaker 1>in a deeply dysfunctional environment himself. His childhood reportedly involved

490
00:29:53.519 --> 00:29:58.200
<v Speaker 1>a fair amount of instability, with conflict, additional issues within

491
00:29:58.240 --> 00:30:01.960
<v Speaker 1>the home, and long term emotional problems. People who knew

492
00:30:02.039 --> 00:30:07.000
<v Speaker 1>him described someone who often struggled socially and emotionally, all

493
00:30:07.000 --> 00:30:11.519
<v Speaker 1>from an early age. Investigators also learned about allegations involving

494
00:30:11.559 --> 00:30:16.359
<v Speaker 1>abuse and disturbing behavior from Tanner's younger years. One of

495
00:30:16.400 --> 00:30:19.599
<v Speaker 1>the most significant accounts came from a man identified publicly

496
00:30:19.640 --> 00:30:23.839
<v Speaker 1>as Billy, who described alleged incidents involving Tanner from childhood.

497
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<v Speaker 1>According to Billy's account, Tanner had displayed sexually abusive and

498
00:30:28.480 --> 00:30:34.279
<v Speaker 1>controlling behavior years before Athenis Murder. Billy also reportedly recalled

499
00:30:34.279 --> 00:30:37.440
<v Speaker 1>Tanner once talking about wondering what it would feel like

500
00:30:37.480 --> 00:30:42.359
<v Speaker 1>to kill someone. Authorities also began uncovering more information about

501
00:30:42.359 --> 00:30:46.400
<v Speaker 1>Tanner's mental health history and behavior patterns. People who knew

502
00:30:46.480 --> 00:30:50.960
<v Speaker 1>him described emotional instability and difficulty maintaining relationships, as well

503
00:30:51.000 --> 00:30:55.440
<v Speaker 1>as social awkwardness and periods of bizarre behavior. There were

504
00:30:55.440 --> 00:30:59.880
<v Speaker 1>also claims involving heavy emotional immaturity and apparent tendencies to

505
00:31:00.160 --> 00:31:05.000
<v Speaker 1>retreat into fantasy or avoidance rather than handling stress in

506
00:31:05.039 --> 00:31:09.000
<v Speaker 1>any sort of healthy ways. The same time, investigators continued

507
00:31:09.039 --> 00:31:13.119
<v Speaker 1>examining Tanner's conduct immediately after the murder, too. It seemed

508
00:31:13.119 --> 00:31:16.200
<v Speaker 1>the further they look into his actions following Athena's disappearance,

509
00:31:16.240 --> 00:31:20.480
<v Speaker 1>the more calculated parts of his behavior appeared. He continued

510
00:31:20.519 --> 00:31:23.680
<v Speaker 1>portions of the delivery route after the murder, he attempted

511
00:31:23.680 --> 00:31:27.119
<v Speaker 1>to clean the truck, he had searched online for information

512
00:31:27.160 --> 00:31:30.799
<v Speaker 1>involving the truck's cameras and the missing Girl investigation, and

513
00:31:30.839 --> 00:31:34.200
<v Speaker 1>according to later reporting surrounding the case, he even drove

514
00:31:34.240 --> 00:31:37.839
<v Speaker 1>back through parts of Paradise where the active search operations

515
00:31:37.839 --> 00:31:44.359
<v Speaker 1>for Athena were still underway. As more evidence accumulated, investigators

516
00:31:44.400 --> 00:31:50.119
<v Speaker 1>increasingly believed Tanner's behavior showed awareness, concealment, and manipulation rather

517
00:31:50.200 --> 00:31:53.160
<v Speaker 1>than any sort of emotional collapse as he was so claiming.

518
00:31:54.559 --> 00:31:58.799
<v Speaker 1>Yet still through various points during questioning, Tanner continued cycling

519
00:31:58.839 --> 00:32:02.559
<v Speaker 1>through different explanations for the murder, But investigators now had

520
00:32:02.559 --> 00:32:05.319
<v Speaker 1>an entire library of evidence against him at this point, like,

521
00:32:05.319 --> 00:32:08.640
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's a literal library, and eventually the case

522
00:32:08.680 --> 00:32:12.640
<v Speaker 1>against him became just too impossible to dispute. So on

523
00:32:12.720 --> 00:32:17.839
<v Speaker 1>December second, twenty twenty two, Tanner Horner was formally arrested

524
00:32:18.319 --> 00:32:22.640
<v Speaker 1>and charged in connection with Athena Strand's abduction and murder.

525
00:32:23.920 --> 00:32:26.920
<v Speaker 1>By the time Tanner's case finally reached the court, it

526
00:32:26.960 --> 00:32:30.240
<v Speaker 1>was in twenty twenty six. More than three years had

527
00:32:30.240 --> 00:32:33.920
<v Speaker 1>passed since Athena's Strand disappeared from her family's property outside

528
00:32:33.920 --> 00:32:37.079
<v Speaker 1>of Paradise, and only one month before the recording of

529
00:32:37.079 --> 00:32:40.880
<v Speaker 1>this podcast episode. During that time, the case had received

530
00:32:41.119 --> 00:32:44.599
<v Speaker 1>enormous media attention across Texas and far beyond it, with

531
00:32:44.680 --> 00:32:47.240
<v Speaker 1>a story going viral in many corners of the Internet.

532
00:32:48.039 --> 00:32:51.079
<v Speaker 1>But ultimately there was never going to be a traditional

533
00:32:51.119 --> 00:32:53.799
<v Speaker 1>fight over whether Tanner Horner committed the crimes he was

534
00:32:53.799 --> 00:32:58.640
<v Speaker 1>accused of, because on April seventh, twenty twenty six, just

535
00:32:58.720 --> 00:33:02.880
<v Speaker 1>as trial proceedings were being Tanner Horner pleaded guilty to

536
00:33:03.000 --> 00:33:07.519
<v Speaker 1>capital murder and aggravated kidnapping and connection with Athenis strands murder.

537
00:33:08.000 --> 00:33:09.640
<v Speaker 2>He knew he wasn't going to get away.

538
00:33:09.400 --> 00:33:13.000
<v Speaker 1>With this one, hey yeap, The evidence was far too

539
00:33:13.079 --> 00:33:17.319
<v Speaker 1>much now. Instead on focusing on guilt or innocence, the

540
00:33:17.359 --> 00:33:20.400
<v Speaker 1>trial moved directly into the punishment phase, where jurors would

541
00:33:20.480 --> 00:33:22.759
<v Speaker 1>ultimately decide whether Tanner should spend the rest of his

542
00:33:22.839 --> 00:33:26.960
<v Speaker 1>life in prison without parole, or be sentenced to death

543
00:33:27.200 --> 00:33:31.519
<v Speaker 1>under Texas law. Over the following weeks, jurors were exposed

544
00:33:31.559 --> 00:33:36.079
<v Speaker 1>to nearly every part of the investigation in exhaustive detail.

545
00:33:36.680 --> 00:33:41.880
<v Speaker 1>They heard testimony from investigators, FBI agents, forensic analysis psychologists,

546
00:33:41.960 --> 00:33:45.440
<v Speaker 1>medical experts, family members, and people connected to Tanner's past.

547
00:33:46.079 --> 00:33:49.720
<v Speaker 1>They were shown crime scene evidence, root data, digital evidence,

548
00:33:49.759 --> 00:33:53.119
<v Speaker 1>interrogation footage, photographs, and portions of the recording recovered from

549
00:33:53.119 --> 00:33:56.160
<v Speaker 1>inside the FedEx truck. Even and some of the evidence

550
00:33:56.279 --> 00:33:59.799
<v Speaker 1>was so emotionally difficult that multiple people inside the courtroom

551
00:34:00.200 --> 00:34:03.400
<v Speaker 1>reportedly broke out in tears during portions of the testimony.

552
00:34:04.440 --> 00:34:07.759
<v Speaker 1>The truck recordings became some of the most devastating evidence

553
00:34:08.239 --> 00:34:11.559
<v Speaker 1>presented during this whole trial. Jurors heard portions of the

554
00:34:11.599 --> 00:34:16.519
<v Speaker 1>audio recordings from inside that vehicle, including Athena's crying, asking

555
00:34:16.599 --> 00:34:20.039
<v Speaker 1>questions and trying to understand what was happening to her.

556
00:34:20.599 --> 00:34:23.639
<v Speaker 2>That would be ridiculously hard to listen to.

557
00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:26.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and at various points during that playback, people were

558
00:34:26.840 --> 00:34:30.719
<v Speaker 1>reportedly having to leave the courtroom They just they couldn't

559
00:34:30.719 --> 00:34:33.320
<v Speaker 1>handle listening to those recordings and what was happening.

560
00:34:33.440 --> 00:34:33.880
<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm.

561
00:34:34.679 --> 00:34:37.519
<v Speaker 1>The prosecution spent much of the trial building the argument

562
00:34:37.639 --> 00:34:43.719
<v Speaker 1>that the murder had been deliberate, sexually motivated, and carefully concealed. Afterwards,

563
00:34:44.679 --> 00:34:48.880
<v Speaker 1>Wise County District Attorney James Staton repeatedly pointed towards the

564
00:34:48.920 --> 00:34:53.239
<v Speaker 1>truck camera obstruction, the extended timeline inside the vehicle, the

565
00:34:53.320 --> 00:34:56.760
<v Speaker 1>clean up attempts, the Internet searches, and the body disposal

566
00:34:56.800 --> 00:35:00.760
<v Speaker 1>location as evidence, all showing planning and aware winess rather

567
00:35:00.800 --> 00:35:04.760
<v Speaker 1>than any sort of panic occurring. The state also argued

568
00:35:04.760 --> 00:35:08.840
<v Speaker 1>that Tanner represented a continuing danger to society, which under

569
00:35:08.880 --> 00:35:12.239
<v Speaker 1>Texas law, became one of the central questions jurors needed

570
00:35:12.239 --> 00:35:17.960
<v Speaker 1>to answer before they could impose a death sentence. The defense, meanwhile,

571
00:35:18.400 --> 00:35:22.079
<v Speaker 1>approached the case very differently. Rather than challenging whether the

572
00:35:22.159 --> 00:35:26.960
<v Speaker 1>murder occurred, defense attorneys focused heavily on Tanner's background, psychological history,

573
00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:32.480
<v Speaker 1>emotional development, and mental health struggles. Jurors heard testimony about

574
00:35:32.480 --> 00:35:38.639
<v Speaker 1>Tanner's unstable childhood, alleged fetal alcohol related development problems, social dysfunction,

575
00:35:38.920 --> 00:35:45.039
<v Speaker 1>emotional immaturity, and possible autism spectrum characteristics. Psychologists also discussed

576
00:35:45.079 --> 00:35:50.159
<v Speaker 1>Tanner's reference to this zero the alternate identity he repeatedly

577
00:35:50.199 --> 00:35:53.960
<v Speaker 1>mentioned during questioning after the murder. The defense argued that

578
00:35:54.239 --> 00:36:00.800
<v Speaker 1>zero represented psychological fragmentation and disassociation rather than SI pull manipulation,

579
00:36:01.360 --> 00:36:05.760
<v Speaker 1>while prosecutors argue the behavior reflected attempts to distance himself

580
00:36:05.800 --> 00:36:09.920
<v Speaker 1>from any sort of responsibility. The forensic evidence connected to

581
00:36:09.960 --> 00:36:13.280
<v Speaker 1>possible sexual assault also became a major point of conflict

582
00:36:13.360 --> 00:36:16.199
<v Speaker 1>during the trial. That's why it was very careful on

583
00:36:16.559 --> 00:36:20.599
<v Speaker 1>using the word alleged with it earlier. Prosecutors argued that

584
00:36:20.639 --> 00:36:25.440
<v Speaker 1>the biological evidence, truck recordings, clothing condition, and overall circumstances

585
00:36:25.760 --> 00:36:30.559
<v Speaker 1>strongly supported that Athena had been sexually assaulted during the attack,

586
00:36:31.159 --> 00:36:35.239
<v Speaker 1>while defense attorneys challenged how conclusive certain aspects of the

587
00:36:35.280 --> 00:36:39.719
<v Speaker 1>forensic evidence actually were, arguing that some biological findings could

588
00:36:39.760 --> 00:36:45.760
<v Speaker 1>not definitively establish every detail prosecutors were claiming. Still, much

589
00:36:45.760 --> 00:36:49.800
<v Speaker 1>of the emotional center of the trial remained focused on

590
00:36:49.840 --> 00:36:53.880
<v Speaker 1>Athena herself rather than legal arguments surrounding Tanner, which is good.

591
00:36:53.960 --> 00:36:58.639
<v Speaker 1>I appreciate that throughout the proceedings, Athena's family continually wore

592
00:36:58.679 --> 00:37:01.320
<v Speaker 1>pink in her honor, whether it was a pink shirt

593
00:37:01.519 --> 00:37:04.159
<v Speaker 1>or a ribbon or anything. I mean, after all, it

594
00:37:04.239 --> 00:37:05.199
<v Speaker 1>was her favorite color.

595
00:37:05.599 --> 00:37:08.440
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so the family actually sat through all of this

596
00:37:08.480 --> 00:37:11.440
<v Speaker 2>too and had to listen to those recordings as well. Correct,

597
00:37:11.960 --> 00:37:15.639
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, that is just that just feels like

598
00:37:15.679 --> 00:37:17.559
<v Speaker 2>you just got like punched in the gut, that's all.

599
00:37:17.920 --> 00:37:20.519
<v Speaker 1>I can't imagine the pain of being in that situation.

600
00:37:21.800 --> 00:37:23.840
<v Speaker 1>And the thing is too, You're in a situation. You're

601
00:37:23.840 --> 00:37:27.119
<v Speaker 1>in a room where you have to control yourself if

602
00:37:27.159 --> 00:37:29.559
<v Speaker 1>you are like if you have a motion, you have

603
00:37:29.599 --> 00:37:31.519
<v Speaker 1>to look down, you have to keep controlled, you have

604
00:37:31.559 --> 00:37:33.840
<v Speaker 1>to excuse yourself from the room. You can't say anything,

605
00:37:33.880 --> 00:37:37.199
<v Speaker 1>you can't do anything. Yet you're hearing the recordings of

606
00:37:37.239 --> 00:37:41.599
<v Speaker 1>your daughter suffering through something so unimaginable at such a

607
00:37:41.639 --> 00:37:45.000
<v Speaker 1>young age. Yet the person who did that very fucking

608
00:37:45.079 --> 00:37:46.519
<v Speaker 1>thing is heat from you.

609
00:37:46.840 --> 00:37:51.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like you would want to literally just yeah, I

610
00:37:51.760 --> 00:37:53.880
<v Speaker 2>won't go there, but it's I don't. Yeah, how could

611
00:37:53.880 --> 00:37:57.760
<v Speaker 2>you even that takes ridiculous strength to control yourself.

612
00:37:57.880 --> 00:37:59.840
<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you right now, I would be trying to

613
00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:02.800
<v Speaker 1>to put that death sentence on him right then and

614
00:38:02.840 --> 00:38:06.199
<v Speaker 1>there if I were that. Oh, I can't imagine.

615
00:38:06.440 --> 00:38:09.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that would just be almost just it's an impossible

616
00:38:09.280 --> 00:38:11.760
<v Speaker 2>task to ask someone to have to do, but.

617
00:38:11.760 --> 00:38:12.679
<v Speaker 1>Yet they did it.

618
00:38:13.400 --> 00:38:13.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

619
00:38:14.480 --> 00:38:19.119
<v Speaker 1>Now. Jurors repeatedly heard descriptions of Athena's personality, her excitement

620
00:38:19.159 --> 00:38:21.719
<v Speaker 1>for life, her love of barbies and art, and the

621
00:38:21.800 --> 00:38:25.800
<v Speaker 1>devastation her murder caused throughout the family. Teachers described her

622
00:38:25.880 --> 00:38:29.440
<v Speaker 1>as energetic and caring. Family members described her as loud

623
00:38:29.480 --> 00:38:32.360
<v Speaker 1>and affectionate and impossible not to notice when she entered

624
00:38:32.360 --> 00:38:35.719
<v Speaker 1>her room. And hanging over every part of the trial

625
00:38:35.800 --> 00:38:38.079
<v Speaker 1>was the reality that all of this had started on

626
00:38:38.159 --> 00:38:42.440
<v Speaker 1>what should have been an ordinary evening, just weeks before Christmas.

627
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<v Speaker 1>As a sentencing phase continued, prosecutors focused heavily on building

628
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<v Speaker 1>a picture of ten Or as someone who was not

629
00:38:50.239 --> 00:38:54.559
<v Speaker 1>only responsible for Athena's murder, but someone they believed posed

630
00:38:54.599 --> 00:38:59.920
<v Speaker 1>a continuous dangerous threat to society. And that under TECH

631
00:39:00.360 --> 00:39:04.800
<v Speaker 1>law is critical in order for jurors to impose that

632
00:39:04.880 --> 00:39:08.000
<v Speaker 1>death penalty, as I mentioned earlier, they need to determine

633
00:39:08.039 --> 00:39:11.280
<v Speaker 1>that Tanner would likely commit future acts of violence if

634
00:39:11.400 --> 00:39:14.760
<v Speaker 1>allowed to live. And I'm not saying just beyond the

635
00:39:14.800 --> 00:39:17.760
<v Speaker 1>prison walls, because you can say, well, if he's in prison,

636
00:39:17.800 --> 00:39:21.000
<v Speaker 1>he's not a threat to society. What about threats to inmates,

637
00:39:21.280 --> 00:39:24.960
<v Speaker 1>what about threats to correctional officers? What about threats to himself?

638
00:39:25.079 --> 00:39:29.599
<v Speaker 1>What about threats to anything? And to impose the death penalty,

639
00:39:29.599 --> 00:39:31.760
<v Speaker 1>they needed to say that he was in fact a

640
00:39:31.880 --> 00:39:33.159
<v Speaker 1>threat period.

641
00:39:33.400 --> 00:39:37.280
<v Speaker 2>Okay, a threat within prison walls as well, is what

642
00:39:37.280 --> 00:39:38.039
<v Speaker 2>your meaning?

643
00:39:38.280 --> 00:39:41.760
<v Speaker 1>Just a threat? He is a potential threat if he lives, okay,

644
00:39:42.039 --> 00:39:45.800
<v Speaker 1>and that includes everything, Okay, I see. So because of that,

645
00:39:45.880 --> 00:39:49.559
<v Speaker 1>prosecutors spent weeks walking jurors through the evidence surrounding athenas

646
00:39:49.599 --> 00:39:53.639
<v Speaker 1>abduction and murder, while also introducing information from Tanner's past

647
00:39:53.679 --> 00:39:56.880
<v Speaker 1>that they argued showed that long term violent tendencies and

648
00:39:56.960 --> 00:40:02.000
<v Speaker 1>manipulative behaviors they believed were present. Prosecutors argue the evidence

649
00:40:02.039 --> 00:40:07.599
<v Speaker 1>showed control, concealment, planning, and sexual motivation from beginning to end, basically,

650
00:40:08.280 --> 00:40:10.800
<v Speaker 1>and one of the biggest pieces of that argument involved

651
00:40:10.800 --> 00:40:13.960
<v Speaker 1>the truck cameras. We've mentioned it a few times, but

652
00:40:14.000 --> 00:40:17.400
<v Speaker 1>according to investigators' portions of the camera setup appeared to

653
00:40:17.400 --> 00:40:21.320
<v Speaker 1>have been intentionally covered before Tanner ever arrived at the

654
00:40:21.360 --> 00:40:26.480
<v Speaker 1>Strand property, and they argued that detail was extremely important

655
00:40:27.000 --> 00:40:30.679
<v Speaker 1>because it suggests that Tanner had already been preparing to

656
00:40:30.719 --> 00:40:35.320
<v Speaker 1>commit violence before ever encountering Athena, meaning he knew what

657
00:40:35.360 --> 00:40:37.639
<v Speaker 1>he was going to do. It was premeditation.

658
00:40:38.960 --> 00:40:42.800
<v Speaker 2>Jeez. And did he just not recall that they're also

659
00:40:42.880 --> 00:40:43.760
<v Speaker 2>recording audio?

660
00:40:44.440 --> 00:40:48.320
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I guess he's that dumb and he didn't, huh.

661
00:40:48.360 --> 00:40:50.639
<v Speaker 2>And also makes you wonder too if he had been

662
00:40:50.679 --> 00:40:53.159
<v Speaker 2>there before, right and knew of this little girl.

663
00:40:53.760 --> 00:40:57.119
<v Speaker 1>It is possible. I mean, I would say it's not

664
00:40:57.719 --> 00:41:02.159
<v Speaker 1>probable because likely would have come up in information through

665
00:41:02.239 --> 00:41:06.000
<v Speaker 1>the investigation looking through potential routes he went through before.

666
00:41:06.159 --> 00:41:08.920
<v Speaker 1>It is possible, but that information never came up that

667
00:41:09.199 --> 00:41:11.239
<v Speaker 1>other routes he went through and saw the strand of

668
00:41:11.280 --> 00:41:14.840
<v Speaker 1>family in the past and made a decision. My guess

669
00:41:15.039 --> 00:41:20.119
<v Speaker 1>is likely he knew of areas like this, He knew

670
00:41:20.119 --> 00:41:24.559
<v Speaker 1>of families with kids playing outside, not quite being attended

671
00:41:24.559 --> 00:41:28.599
<v Speaker 1>to every single second, knowing there's opportunities, and he covered

672
00:41:28.599 --> 00:41:31.280
<v Speaker 1>the camera looking for one of those opportunities, and he

673
00:41:31.360 --> 00:41:32.760
<v Speaker 1>found one in Athena.

674
00:41:32.880 --> 00:41:35.360
<v Speaker 2>That is just so messed up that you just are

675
00:41:35.400 --> 00:41:38.719
<v Speaker 2>going to work one day and you decide I'm going

676
00:41:38.719 --> 00:41:41.360
<v Speaker 2>to do some shady ass shit today.

677
00:41:41.599 --> 00:41:44.119
<v Speaker 1>I know, but I'm not going to discredit what you're

678
00:41:44.159 --> 00:41:46.440
<v Speaker 1>saying there is a possibility that he had been through

679
00:41:46.480 --> 00:41:49.639
<v Speaker 1>this before, maybe with a different contractor who knows. All

680
00:41:49.639 --> 00:41:51.960
<v Speaker 1>I know is there is not a history brought to

681
00:41:52.000 --> 00:41:54.840
<v Speaker 1>the forefront, but it's possible he had seen Athena before,

682
00:41:55.119 --> 00:41:56.480
<v Speaker 1>and it's possible he did.

683
00:41:56.280 --> 00:41:58.559
<v Speaker 2>Target her, so disturbing.

684
00:42:00.119 --> 00:42:03.039
<v Speaker 1>Several points during the trial, prosecutors revisited portions of the

685
00:42:03.039 --> 00:42:06.400
<v Speaker 1>audio recording to drive home the crimes Tanner had committed,

686
00:42:06.559 --> 00:42:09.440
<v Speaker 1>and jurors again heard Athena asking Tanner if he was

687
00:42:09.480 --> 00:42:12.280
<v Speaker 1>a kidnapper. They heard her asking why he was doing

688
00:42:12.280 --> 00:42:14.840
<v Speaker 1>this to her, and they heard Tanner's response, because you

689
00:42:14.920 --> 00:42:20.000
<v Speaker 1>are pretty. The prosecution argued that that statement alone revealed

690
00:42:20.000 --> 00:42:24.519
<v Speaker 1>sexual motivation and completely underminded Tanner's later attempts to portray

691
00:42:24.599 --> 00:42:27.880
<v Speaker 1>the murder as some kind of accident or panic response.

692
00:42:28.920 --> 00:42:32.519
<v Speaker 1>The state also called mental health experts who challenged the

693
00:42:32.559 --> 00:42:37.119
<v Speaker 1>defense's portrayal of Tanner as psychologically detached from reality. During

694
00:42:37.159 --> 00:42:42.480
<v Speaker 1>the murder, prosecution expert doctor Michael Arambula argued that Tanner's

695
00:42:42.480 --> 00:42:47.159
<v Speaker 1>behavior showed organization and situal awareness, as well as adaptability

696
00:42:47.599 --> 00:42:52.360
<v Speaker 1>and consciousness of guilt. He pointed towards the truck camera

697
00:42:52.400 --> 00:42:56.320
<v Speaker 1>obstruction again he pointed towards attempts of cleanup internet searches

698
00:42:56.360 --> 00:43:00.400
<v Speaker 1>and misleading statements the evidence concealment all of it as

699
00:43:00.519 --> 00:43:04.400
<v Speaker 1>proof that Tanner fully understood both his actions and the

700
00:43:04.440 --> 00:43:09.400
<v Speaker 1>consequences of them. While prosecutors spent the trial presenting Tanner

701
00:43:09.440 --> 00:43:14.119
<v Speaker 1>as a calculated, sexually motivated predator, the defense focused on

702
00:43:14.199 --> 00:43:18.800
<v Speaker 1>something very different. They focused on how Tanner became Tanner

703
00:43:19.800 --> 00:43:22.719
<v Speaker 1>now because he had already pleaded guilty to capital murder

704
00:43:22.760 --> 00:43:26.440
<v Speaker 1>and aggravated kidnapping. The defense was not trying to convince

705
00:43:26.559 --> 00:43:29.760
<v Speaker 1>jurors he was innocent. That was clear. That wasn't the case.

706
00:43:30.039 --> 00:43:33.119
<v Speaker 1>They knew the evidence surrounding Athena's murder was overwhelming, and

707
00:43:33.199 --> 00:43:39.199
<v Speaker 1>so instead they concentrated almost entirely on mitigation. Instead, their

708
00:43:39.199 --> 00:43:42.639
<v Speaker 1>goal was to persuade jurors that, despite the brutality of

709
00:43:42.679 --> 00:43:48.159
<v Speaker 1>the crime, Tanner's psychological history, developmental problems, and dysfunctional upbringing

710
00:43:48.480 --> 00:43:52.039
<v Speaker 1>all justified sparing his life and sentencing him to prison

711
00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:56.599
<v Speaker 1>without parole instead of the death penalty. And much of

712
00:43:56.599 --> 00:44:01.360
<v Speaker 1>the defense's case centered around Tanner's childhood. Jerbers heard testimony

713
00:44:01.400 --> 00:44:06.320
<v Speaker 1>describing a chaotic and unstable upbringing marked by addiction, emotional dysfunction,

714
00:44:06.400 --> 00:44:10.000
<v Speaker 1>and long term neglect. All those things we mentioned. According

715
00:44:10.039 --> 00:44:13.400
<v Speaker 1>to the testimony presented during the trial, Tanner's mother drank

716
00:44:13.440 --> 00:44:16.719
<v Speaker 1>heavily while pregnant with him. The defense expert argued that

717
00:44:16.960 --> 00:44:21.320
<v Speaker 1>fetal alcohol related developmental damage may have affected him throughout

718
00:44:21.360 --> 00:44:25.800
<v Speaker 1>his entire life. The defense also introduced testimony involving possible

719
00:44:26.159 --> 00:44:31.239
<v Speaker 1>lead exposure during Tanner's childhood. I experts explain that chronic

720
00:44:31.320 --> 00:44:36.880
<v Speaker 1>led exposure can impact impulse control, emotional regulation, cognitive development,

721
00:44:37.239 --> 00:44:40.760
<v Speaker 1>and decision making abilities, especially when combined with trauma and

722
00:44:40.920 --> 00:44:46.719
<v Speaker 1>instability during early development. Psychologists called by the defense described

723
00:44:46.920 --> 00:44:52.519
<v Speaker 1>Tanner as emotionally mature, socially isolated, and psychologically damaged long

724
00:44:52.559 --> 00:44:56.760
<v Speaker 1>before Athena's murder ever occurred. One of the central witnesses

725
00:44:56.760 --> 00:45:00.800
<v Speaker 1>for the defense was psychologist doctor Joel bram who spent

726
00:45:01.320 --> 00:45:05.880
<v Speaker 1>extensive time evaluating Tanner and reviewing his background history, and

727
00:45:05.920 --> 00:45:09.480
<v Speaker 1>according to doctor Brahms, Tanner struggled with emotional regulation throughout

728
00:45:09.519 --> 00:45:12.360
<v Speaker 1>much of his life and often coped with stress or

729
00:45:12.400 --> 00:45:17.760
<v Speaker 1>emotional conflicts through avoidance and fantasy rather than healthy processing.

730
00:45:18.559 --> 00:45:23.519
<v Speaker 1>The defense also argued Tanner displayed characteristics associated with autism,

731
00:45:23.519 --> 00:45:30.360
<v Speaker 1>spectrum disorder, and developmental dysfunction. Witnesses described him as being withdrawn, isolated,

732
00:45:30.599 --> 00:45:34.719
<v Speaker 1>and frequently unable to understand or navigate normal social interactions.

733
00:45:35.519 --> 00:45:40.280
<v Speaker 1>According to testimony, Tanner had reportedly struggled with bullying, emotional instability,

734
00:45:40.559 --> 00:45:43.280
<v Speaker 1>and social problems dating all the way back to school

735
00:45:43.360 --> 00:45:49.000
<v Speaker 1>and childhood, and then there was zero. Throughout the investigative trial,

736
00:45:49.079 --> 00:45:53.079
<v Speaker 1>Tanner repeatedly referred to another personality or another version of

737
00:45:53.119 --> 00:45:56.119
<v Speaker 1>himself by the name Zero. The defense argued that this

738
00:45:56.320 --> 00:46:00.440
<v Speaker 1>zero was not simply an invented excuse, but instead it

739
00:46:00.519 --> 00:46:05.719
<v Speaker 1>was part of Tanner's disassociative coping mechanisms and emotional fragmentation.

740
00:46:06.840 --> 00:46:10.840
<v Speaker 1>Doctor Brahms testified that she did not believe Tanner literally

741
00:46:10.960 --> 00:46:13.840
<v Speaker 1>had multiple personalities, at least not in the way many

742
00:46:13.840 --> 00:46:19.039
<v Speaker 1>people imagine it, imagine this disassociative identity disorder to be. Instead,

743
00:46:19.079 --> 00:46:23.440
<v Speaker 1>she described zero more as a psychological separation Tanner had

744
00:46:23.480 --> 00:46:26.960
<v Speaker 1>created between himself and the actions he emotionally could not

745
00:46:27.159 --> 00:46:31.599
<v Speaker 1>process or confront directly, which to me says, Okay, he's

746
00:46:31.679 --> 00:46:34.320
<v Speaker 1>just not taking blame for it, but he knows he

747
00:46:34.360 --> 00:46:34.840
<v Speaker 1>still did it.

748
00:46:35.360 --> 00:46:37.599
<v Speaker 2>You know, I get this, but it's also just such

749
00:46:37.639 --> 00:46:39.559
<v Speaker 2>a piss off that everyone just has to sit there

750
00:46:39.559 --> 00:46:41.400
<v Speaker 2>and listen all about him.

751
00:46:41.679 --> 00:46:44.320
<v Speaker 1>I know, and honestly I didn't want to do it

752
00:46:44.360 --> 00:46:46.840
<v Speaker 1>in this episode either, but to understand the case, we

753
00:46:47.000 --> 00:46:47.599
<v Speaker 1>kind of have to.

754
00:46:47.800 --> 00:46:49.760
<v Speaker 2>I know, you have to. But it's also just like

755
00:46:49.840 --> 00:46:53.840
<v Speaker 2>he did something so bad that I feel like, who cares?

756
00:46:54.599 --> 00:46:57.119
<v Speaker 1>I know, right, you know, But I think this part

757
00:46:57.159 --> 00:47:00.760
<v Speaker 1>is so funny because even this doctor Brams is saying

758
00:47:01.559 --> 00:47:05.360
<v Speaker 1>he knows what he did, he's just disassociating it. And

759
00:47:05.440 --> 00:47:06.920
<v Speaker 1>that's what this zero is.

760
00:47:07.119 --> 00:47:09.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, which is absolutely not okay.

761
00:47:09.719 --> 00:47:11.639
<v Speaker 1>It's not okay, But it's even funny that that's his

762
00:47:11.719 --> 00:47:14.400
<v Speaker 1>defense saying that this is what he's doing and no,

763
00:47:14.519 --> 00:47:16.239
<v Speaker 1>it's not okay, but he's still doing that, and that's

764
00:47:16.239 --> 00:47:19.559
<v Speaker 1>what all right, cool, you're that's an argument for the

765
00:47:19.559 --> 00:47:20.480
<v Speaker 1>prosecutor's side.

766
00:47:20.519 --> 00:47:23.280
<v Speaker 2>In my opinion, Well, the defense has to freaking pick

767
00:47:23.440 --> 00:47:27.599
<v Speaker 2>something to try to defend this monster, right, I know, right.

768
00:47:27.480 --> 00:47:29.320
<v Speaker 1>And that's basically what they're saying in this as they're

769
00:47:29.320 --> 00:47:32.760
<v Speaker 1>emphasizing like his mental condition was not the same thing

770
00:47:32.800 --> 00:47:35.199
<v Speaker 1>as like what people really think it is, and it

771
00:47:35.239 --> 00:47:37.639
<v Speaker 1>doesn't excuse what he did to Athena. But They're like,

772
00:47:37.960 --> 00:47:42.679
<v Speaker 1>but it is a thing I don't know. Anyways, they

773
00:47:42.719 --> 00:47:45.719
<v Speaker 1>still acknowledge that Tanner understood right from wrong. It's basically

774
00:47:45.760 --> 00:47:48.000
<v Speaker 1>what I'm trying to get at with this. But still

775
00:47:48.039 --> 00:47:51.400
<v Speaker 1>the defense argued that Tanner's damaged psychological state made him

776
00:47:51.480 --> 00:47:57.119
<v Speaker 1>less morally culpable than prosecutors claimed. Is what their point

777
00:47:57.159 --> 00:47:58.960
<v Speaker 1>was that they were trying to make. I don't think

778
00:47:58.960 --> 00:48:00.599
<v Speaker 1>they made that point, but that's what they were trying

779
00:48:00.639 --> 00:48:03.639
<v Speaker 1>to do. And I alluded to this a few times already.

780
00:48:03.639 --> 00:48:06.719
<v Speaker 1>But the forensic evidence surrounding the possible sexual assault also

781
00:48:06.760 --> 00:48:10.599
<v Speaker 1>became a major area of challenging for challenges for the

782
00:48:10.639 --> 00:48:14.400
<v Speaker 1>defense because while prosecutors argue the evidence strongly supported that

783
00:48:14.440 --> 00:48:18.039
<v Speaker 1>Athena had been sexually assaulted and raped during the murder,

784
00:48:18.480 --> 00:48:23.840
<v Speaker 1>defense attorneys repeatedly questioned how definitive certain forensic conclusions actually were.

785
00:48:24.920 --> 00:48:29.079
<v Speaker 1>Jurors heard arguments that investigators could not conclusively determine the

786
00:48:29.159 --> 00:48:33.760
<v Speaker 1>exact source of every biological sample recovered during the autopsy,

787
00:48:34.239 --> 00:48:37.719
<v Speaker 1>basically saying, yeah, it's his biological DNA, but can you

788
00:48:37.800 --> 00:48:39.599
<v Speaker 1>say how it got there, why it got there, and

789
00:48:39.719 --> 00:48:41.880
<v Speaker 1>is it actually seen? In all this sort of stuff,

790
00:48:42.639 --> 00:48:45.960
<v Speaker 1>defense attorneys also pointed towards testimony indicating that there was

791
00:48:46.039 --> 00:48:51.840
<v Speaker 1>no obvious visible genitalia trauma identified during the medical examination

792
00:48:51.960 --> 00:48:56.199
<v Speaker 1>and rape kit. The defense argued prosecutors were overstating the

793
00:48:56.280 --> 00:49:00.199
<v Speaker 1>certainty of the sexual assault and rape related evidence in

794
00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:05.039
<v Speaker 1>order to emotionally influence the jury, and at the same time,

795
00:49:05.079 --> 00:49:07.480
<v Speaker 1>the defense also tried to push back against the state's

796
00:49:07.599 --> 00:49:12.559
<v Speaker 1>arguments that Tanner represented an ongoing danger to society, but

797
00:49:12.639 --> 00:49:15.119
<v Speaker 1>to step back for a second to the sexual assault

798
00:49:15.159 --> 00:49:18.800
<v Speaker 1>and rape. Again. The reason why I'm using the word

799
00:49:18.920 --> 00:49:23.719
<v Speaker 1>allegedly is because there is arguments in court whether it

800
00:49:23.920 --> 00:49:26.679
<v Speaker 1>was factual or was not factual, and because he was

801
00:49:26.719 --> 00:49:31.199
<v Speaker 1>not ever committed of any sexual act, we cannot definitively

802
00:49:31.280 --> 00:49:34.800
<v Speaker 1>say for certain that it occurred. We can say there

803
00:49:34.840 --> 00:49:39.760
<v Speaker 1>is evidence that it likely occurred, but unfortunately that's as

804
00:49:39.800 --> 00:49:43.079
<v Speaker 1>far as we can legally go. But I'm sure we

805
00:49:43.119 --> 00:49:44.159
<v Speaker 1>can all make our proper resis.

806
00:49:44.239 --> 00:49:47.480
<v Speaker 2>Well, Yeah, we can definitely decide that he is a

807
00:49:47.519 --> 00:49:51.639
<v Speaker 2>sick piece of shit. Yeah, nasty motherfucker.

808
00:49:51.719 --> 00:49:54.400
<v Speaker 1>Really, we all have our assumptions and I'm pretty sure

809
00:49:54.440 --> 00:49:59.280
<v Speaker 1>those assumptions are on the right path now. As testimony

810
00:49:59.360 --> 00:50:02.199
<v Speaker 1>unfolded day after day, Athena's family was forced to sit

811
00:50:02.280 --> 00:50:06.360
<v Speaker 1>through details no family should ever have to hear, and

812
00:50:06.440 --> 00:50:08.639
<v Speaker 1>one of the most emotional moments of the trial came

813
00:50:08.679 --> 00:50:14.440
<v Speaker 1>when Athena's uncle, Elijah Strand, addressed the courtroom directly. He

814
00:50:14.480 --> 00:50:18.079
<v Speaker 1>described the devastation that Tanner had caused throughout the family.

815
00:50:18.760 --> 00:50:21.679
<v Speaker 1>He spoke about Athena not as a victim or a headline,

816
00:50:22.199 --> 00:50:27.480
<v Speaker 1>but as the little girl they knew personally. Quote there

817
00:50:27.480 --> 00:50:30.679
<v Speaker 1>are no words that truly capture the devastation that Tanner

818
00:50:30.800 --> 00:50:35.760
<v Speaker 1>Horner caused us in our family end quote. He described

819
00:50:35.760 --> 00:50:39.039
<v Speaker 1>how Athena had filled every space around her with energy

820
00:50:39.119 --> 00:50:42.559
<v Speaker 1>and excitement. He spoke about memories of her running towards him,

821
00:50:42.639 --> 00:50:46.559
<v Speaker 1>yelling Uncle Elijah, and the pain of knowing he would

822
00:50:46.599 --> 00:50:51.079
<v Speaker 1>never hear those words again. Elijah also described how Athena's

823
00:50:51.119 --> 00:50:54.840
<v Speaker 1>murder permanently changed the younger children in the family. According

824
00:50:54.840 --> 00:50:57.719
<v Speaker 1>to him, children who once felt safe playing outside no

825
00:50:57.800 --> 00:51:00.519
<v Speaker 1>longer viewed the world the same way after what had

826
00:51:00.559 --> 00:51:05.159
<v Speaker 1>happened to Athena. Athena had not disappeared from some dangerous

827
00:51:05.239 --> 00:51:07.840
<v Speaker 1>urban environment late at night. She had vanished while playing

828
00:51:07.880 --> 00:51:11.519
<v Speaker 1>outside near her home in rural Texas during the early

829
00:51:11.559 --> 00:51:14.400
<v Speaker 1>evenings in a place literally called paradise.

830
00:51:14.159 --> 00:51:17.039
<v Speaker 2>No one was doing anything wrong except for Tanner.

831
00:51:17.519 --> 00:51:21.199
<v Speaker 1>And that reality deeply unsettled both the community and Athenis

832
00:51:21.239 --> 00:51:24.840
<v Speaker 1>family all the way down to the youngest. Elijah spoke

833
00:51:24.880 --> 00:51:28.719
<v Speaker 1>directly to Tanner during the statements and said this too, quote,

834
00:51:29.159 --> 00:51:32.679
<v Speaker 1>you do not just take a life, you destroy the family.

835
00:51:33.679 --> 00:51:36.920
<v Speaker 1>That became especially clear during the final moments of Elijah's

836
00:51:36.920 --> 00:51:40.800
<v Speaker 1>statements because even looking directly towards Tanner, once again, Elijah

837
00:51:40.800 --> 00:51:43.519
<v Speaker 1>said this quote, I want you to know that you

838
00:51:43.559 --> 00:51:48.800
<v Speaker 1>are nothing. You were a footnote in Atheni's story end quote.

839
00:51:49.519 --> 00:51:53.800
<v Speaker 1>The trial had spent weeks dissecting Tanner Horner's behavior, his psychology,

840
00:51:54.039 --> 00:51:57.400
<v Speaker 1>his lies, his actions, and his violence, But for Athena's family,

841
00:51:57.440 --> 00:52:00.840
<v Speaker 1>the story was never supposed to become about him. It

842
00:52:00.920 --> 00:52:04.519
<v Speaker 1>was supposed to remain about Athena. Everything that took place

843
00:52:04.559 --> 00:52:08.119
<v Speaker 1>in the courtroom was heavy, beyond belief and emotionally weighed

844
00:52:08.599 --> 00:52:13.079
<v Speaker 1>inside everyone inside the courtroom. It was reportedly overwhelming, Yet

845
00:52:13.159 --> 00:52:16.159
<v Speaker 1>under Texas law, jurors considered the death penalty and they

846
00:52:16.199 --> 00:52:19.559
<v Speaker 1>had to decide whether Tanner would likely commit future violent

847
00:52:19.639 --> 00:52:22.599
<v Speaker 1>acts if allowed to live, and they still had their

848
00:52:22.679 --> 00:52:27.519
<v Speaker 1>job to do too. Was on May fifth, twenty twenty six,

849
00:52:27.880 --> 00:52:32.199
<v Speaker 1>only three days ago as of recording this episode, when

850
00:52:32.280 --> 00:52:35.840
<v Speaker 1>jurors returned to the courtroom with their decision and Judge

851
00:52:35.880 --> 00:52:40.039
<v Speaker 1>George Gallagher read the jury's findings aloud. As the judge

852
00:52:40.039 --> 00:52:43.840
<v Speaker 1>addressed the court, he said, first, jurors unanimously determined that

853
00:52:43.840 --> 00:52:47.280
<v Speaker 1>Tanner Horner would in fact likely commit future acts of

854
00:52:47.360 --> 00:52:52.039
<v Speaker 1>violence and therefore represented a continuing danger to society. They

855
00:52:52.079 --> 00:52:55.639
<v Speaker 1>also rejected the argument that mitigating factors in Tanner's background

856
00:52:55.719 --> 00:53:00.519
<v Speaker 1>justified sentencing him to life without parole instead of death,

857
00:53:01.639 --> 00:53:05.119
<v Speaker 1>and so with those findings complete, the sentencing became official.

858
00:53:06.199 --> 00:53:11.199
<v Speaker 1>Tanner Horner was sentenced to death, and Judge Gallagher formally

859
00:53:11.239 --> 00:53:15.639
<v Speaker 1>sentenced Tanner to death by lethal injection. Under Texas procedure.

860
00:53:15.719 --> 00:53:19.559
<v Speaker 1>The execution itself will eventually take place in Huntsville at

861
00:53:19.559 --> 00:53:23.639
<v Speaker 1>a later date still to be determined. The court also

862
00:53:23.639 --> 00:53:29.920
<v Speaker 1>acknowledged that an automatic appeal process would immediately begin. Under

863
00:53:29.960 --> 00:53:33.159
<v Speaker 1>Texas law, any sort of death sentence automatically goes to

864
00:53:33.199 --> 00:53:36.760
<v Speaker 1>appeal as required by any sort of death penal case

865
00:53:36.840 --> 00:53:39.639
<v Speaker 1>or whatever meaning. Athena's family, though will likely still be

866
00:53:39.679 --> 00:53:42.559
<v Speaker 1>going through court dates ahead of them for years to

867
00:53:42.599 --> 00:53:45.679
<v Speaker 1>come as they continue to deal with Tanner and the

868
00:53:45.760 --> 00:53:49.960
<v Speaker 1>loss of Athena. Still, for Athena's family, the verdict brought

869
00:53:50.000 --> 00:53:53.119
<v Speaker 1>a complex mix of emotions, as no sentence could actually

870
00:53:53.199 --> 00:53:57.760
<v Speaker 1>undo what had happened. Athena was still gone. A seven

871
00:53:57.840 --> 00:54:00.599
<v Speaker 1>year old little girl was still abducted from outside her

872
00:54:00.599 --> 00:54:04.760
<v Speaker 1>home by a delivery driver during the Christmas season. It's

873
00:54:04.800 --> 00:54:07.519
<v Speaker 1>a kind of crime that shook everyone on a very

874
00:54:07.599 --> 00:54:12.440
<v Speaker 1>deep level. It shattered assumptions about safety, trust, and ordinary

875
00:54:12.519 --> 00:54:14.920
<v Speaker 1>routines in a way that will linger long after the

876
00:54:14.960 --> 00:54:18.480
<v Speaker 1>headline's fade. Athena was a seven year old girl who

877
00:54:18.480 --> 00:54:22.360
<v Speaker 1>suffered far too much for any child, and throughout the

878
00:54:22.360 --> 00:54:27.639
<v Speaker 1>investigation and trial, family members, teachers, and friends consistently described

879
00:54:27.639 --> 00:54:31.440
<v Speaker 1>Athena in almost the exact same way. She was loud,

880
00:54:32.199 --> 00:54:38.440
<v Speaker 1>She was funny, emotional, creative, energetic, She loved attention, she

881
00:54:38.480 --> 00:54:41.800
<v Speaker 1>loved being around people, She loved Pink Barbie's art and

882
00:54:41.920 --> 00:54:46.000
<v Speaker 1>expressing herself. People repeatedly described her as the kind of

883
00:54:46.079 --> 00:54:49.199
<v Speaker 1>kid who completely filled the room with energy the moment

884
00:54:49.239 --> 00:54:52.760
<v Speaker 1>that she walked into it. Her teacher remembered her as

885
00:54:52.760 --> 00:54:56.360
<v Speaker 1>a social and deeply caring individual towards her classmates and

886
00:54:56.440 --> 00:55:00.519
<v Speaker 1>especially kids who seemed upset or left out. Only members

887
00:55:00.519 --> 00:55:03.000
<v Speaker 1>described her as dramatic in the way only little kids

888
00:55:03.039 --> 00:55:06.599
<v Speaker 1>can be, shifting from emotional tears to excitement within minutes,

889
00:55:07.679 --> 00:55:10.960
<v Speaker 1>and because those descriptions remained so consistent throughout the years,

890
00:55:11.800 --> 00:55:14.800
<v Speaker 1>Athena never became just another true crime victim in the

891
00:55:14.880 --> 00:55:17.599
<v Speaker 1>eyes of the people who loved her. She remained a

892
00:55:17.639 --> 00:55:21.280
<v Speaker 1>real child with a real personality, a real person who

893
00:55:21.880 --> 00:55:25.360
<v Speaker 1>will be missed, and that mattered deeply to her family.

894
00:55:26.760 --> 00:55:29.519
<v Speaker 1>Throughout the trial, they repeatedly tried to pull focus away

895
00:55:29.559 --> 00:55:33.440
<v Speaker 1>from Tanner and back towards Athena herself, which is amazing

896
00:55:33.480 --> 00:55:37.079
<v Speaker 1>and exactly something we stand to strive for in this podcast.

897
00:55:37.119 --> 00:55:39.760
<v Speaker 1>Tell a victim story, remember them. They deserve it at

898
00:55:39.800 --> 00:55:44.440
<v Speaker 1>the very least, and that sentiment especially became clear through

899
00:55:44.480 --> 00:55:48.920
<v Speaker 1>Elijah's Strand's statement describing Tanner as quote only a footnote

900
00:55:48.920 --> 00:55:52.599
<v Speaker 1>in Athena's story. For the family, the case was never

901
00:55:52.639 --> 00:55:55.360
<v Speaker 1>supposed to become about a man who murdered her. It

902
00:55:55.440 --> 00:55:59.400
<v Speaker 1>was supposed to remain about Athena, and in fact, I

903
00:55:59.480 --> 00:56:03.000
<v Speaker 1>withheld a quote from Athena's uncle Elijah to mention right

904
00:56:03.039 --> 00:56:06.519
<v Speaker 1>now in order to highlight this sentiment, because he said

905
00:56:06.519 --> 00:56:09.440
<v Speaker 1>it better than I ever could. As he stood in

906
00:56:09.480 --> 00:56:12.360
<v Speaker 1>the courtroom that day, up on the stand, he looked

907
00:56:12.400 --> 00:56:18.079
<v Speaker 1>directly towards Tanner, and Elijah said this quote, her name

908
00:56:18.119 --> 00:56:22.039
<v Speaker 1>will forever be remembered, her name will forever be celebrated,

909
00:56:22.639 --> 00:56:28.280
<v Speaker 1>and everyone will forget you. End quote. Athena was an

910
00:56:28.360 --> 00:56:31.920
<v Speaker 1>innocent seven year old girl looking forward to Christmas. And

911
00:56:31.960 --> 00:56:34.840
<v Speaker 1>she's no longer here, but that doesn't mean her name

912
00:56:34.960 --> 00:56:38.960
<v Speaker 1>or memory has to fade. And that's the story of

913
00:56:38.960 --> 00:56:40.039
<v Speaker 1>Athenis Strand.

914
00:56:42.199 --> 00:56:45.119
<v Speaker 2>What a ridiculous loss to this world. Hey, I know

915
00:56:46.039 --> 00:56:49.280
<v Speaker 2>like she I mean I said it before, but just

916
00:56:49.320 --> 00:56:54.800
<v Speaker 2>seemed like amazing, lovely little human that I think what

917
00:56:54.960 --> 00:56:57.800
<v Speaker 2>had so much going for her. And it's like you

918
00:56:57.800 --> 00:56:59.760
<v Speaker 2>can only imagine what she would have grown up to be.

919
00:57:00.320 --> 00:57:02.679
<v Speaker 1>Mm hmmm. I love how people describe her as like

920
00:57:03.280 --> 00:57:05.159
<v Speaker 1>allowed and she walks in the room and you know

921
00:57:05.239 --> 00:57:08.199
<v Speaker 1>she's there, like I just picture this child just like

922
00:57:08.320 --> 00:57:12.400
<v Speaker 1>such confidence and like energy radiating offer that she's just

923
00:57:12.599 --> 00:57:16.000
<v Speaker 1>like like for example, Uncle Elijah, she runs through the

924
00:57:16.000 --> 00:57:18.800
<v Speaker 1>door and gives her uncle a hug with just such joy.

925
00:57:20.239 --> 00:57:23.480
<v Speaker 2>Ah he did a really good job with his what

926
00:57:23.559 --> 00:57:28.360
<v Speaker 2>is that called your testimony? Yeah, because something else you

927
00:57:28.400 --> 00:57:31.840
<v Speaker 2>had said where he it's not just like taking a life,

928
00:57:32.360 --> 00:57:35.119
<v Speaker 2>but or you're taking a life, but you're also destroying

929
00:57:35.159 --> 00:57:38.199
<v Speaker 2>the family. Yeah, and because yeah, we're always like, yeah,

930
00:57:38.199 --> 00:57:40.960
<v Speaker 2>there's the victim, right, but then there's so many more

931
00:57:41.039 --> 00:57:44.239
<v Speaker 2>victims that are having to face like the consequences of

932
00:57:44.280 --> 00:57:46.920
<v Speaker 2>what happened and stuff. So that was like worded really well.

933
00:57:47.079 --> 00:57:49.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like that ripple effect going outwards, right, Yeah,

934
00:57:50.000 --> 00:57:52.320
<v Speaker 1>it goes from like the victim to the family, to

935
00:57:52.400 --> 00:57:55.280
<v Speaker 1>the friends, the school, the community, and all these people.

936
00:57:55.320 --> 00:57:59.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, affect so many people, And yeah, she'll be remembered,

937
00:57:59.599 --> 00:58:03.000
<v Speaker 2>but like maybe Tanner's kind of in the news now,

938
00:58:03.039 --> 00:58:04.840
<v Speaker 2>but it does seem like it's more so about the

939
00:58:04.840 --> 00:58:07.000
<v Speaker 2>little girl. And give it a little bit of time

940
00:58:07.039 --> 00:58:08.599
<v Speaker 2>and he will literally be nothing.

941
00:58:08.679 --> 00:58:10.480
<v Speaker 1>No one will know. I'm not going to say his

942
00:58:10.559 --> 00:58:12.679
<v Speaker 1>name again. In fact, yeah, he's a monster. That's how

943
00:58:12.719 --> 00:58:14.000
<v Speaker 1>I'll refer to him. A monster.

944
00:58:14.239 --> 00:58:20.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, so just a brutal story, but it is

945
00:58:21.239 --> 00:58:25.599
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's good that she's being remembered for like

946
00:58:25.800 --> 00:58:27.599
<v Speaker 2>the kind, beautiful soul she was.

947
00:58:27.719 --> 00:58:30.679
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it's easy to see why this story has

948
00:58:30.679 --> 00:58:33.760
<v Speaker 1>gone as viral as it is because it is it's

949
00:58:33.840 --> 00:58:34.920
<v Speaker 1>so heart wrenching.

950
00:58:35.199 --> 00:58:36.559
<v Speaker 2>Huh, I fucked this guy?

951
00:58:37.440 --> 00:58:37.639
<v Speaker 1>Man.

952
00:58:38.920 --> 00:58:42.880
<v Speaker 2>Well, it's unimaginable because how many interactions in the world

953
00:58:42.880 --> 00:58:45.639
<v Speaker 2>in a day is a little kid having with a

954
00:58:45.719 --> 00:58:50.519
<v Speaker 2>delivery person. Yeah, And I mean we've done so many cases,

955
00:58:50.559 --> 00:58:53.679
<v Speaker 2>and I just I don't know, And I'm like a

956
00:58:53.719 --> 00:58:57.360
<v Speaker 2>pretty cautious person person, and I don't think that that

957
00:58:57.400 --> 00:59:00.800
<v Speaker 2>would have ever triggered anything me that that could have

958
00:59:00.800 --> 00:59:01.639
<v Speaker 2>been dangerous.

959
00:59:02.079 --> 00:59:05.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure. You just if you're a parent or something,

960
00:59:05.360 --> 00:59:08.320
<v Speaker 1>and you know what, you're out clipping some flowers in

961
00:59:08.360 --> 00:59:10.400
<v Speaker 1>your front yard and your kids playing, and a delivery

962
00:59:10.440 --> 00:59:13.039
<v Speaker 1>driver just comes up behind you delivering a package, Yeah,

963
00:59:13.079 --> 00:59:14.280
<v Speaker 1>you probably don't think twice.

964
00:59:14.440 --> 00:59:16.639
<v Speaker 2>No, even if you're inside in the kitchen or whatever,

965
00:59:16.679 --> 00:59:21.159
<v Speaker 2>making dinner and like you're looking through the window like periodically,

966
00:59:21.199 --> 00:59:23.679
<v Speaker 2>you know. Yeah, even if you've seen this person pull up,

967
00:59:23.679 --> 00:59:25.719
<v Speaker 2>I don't even think that you would think anything wrong.

968
00:59:25.800 --> 00:59:28.559
<v Speaker 2>Probably doesn't want to go wrong or anything bad about it.

969
00:59:28.599 --> 00:59:30.559
<v Speaker 1>But that's the thing. You shouldn't have to think that

970
00:59:30.599 --> 00:59:31.519
<v Speaker 1>I could go wrong.

971
00:59:31.840 --> 00:59:34.639
<v Speaker 2>No, because this family, like I said, they did nothing wrong. No,

972
00:59:34.920 --> 00:59:37.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, the little girl, the family. They did nothing wrong.

973
00:59:37.480 --> 00:59:41.079
<v Speaker 2>It was just that there is unfortunately a freaking absolute

974
00:59:41.119 --> 00:59:42.119
<v Speaker 2>monster in this world.

975
00:59:42.440 --> 00:59:47.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, fuck him. There are some things that will carry

976
00:59:47.239 --> 00:59:49.880
<v Speaker 1>on to this case because there are automatic appeals that

977
00:59:49.920 --> 00:59:53.079
<v Speaker 1>will happen knocks. I do not foresee any sort of

978
00:59:53.119 --> 00:59:57.039
<v Speaker 1>appeal coming through unless there is something that can happen

979
00:59:57.079 --> 01:00:01.880
<v Speaker 1>where the defense says that the trial didn't go appropriately

980
01:00:01.920 --> 01:00:05.559
<v Speaker 1>according to law. But even still, if there's going to

981
01:00:05.559 --> 01:00:07.719
<v Speaker 1>be a retrial, the evidence is far too heavy. They

982
01:00:07.719 --> 01:00:11.159
<v Speaker 1>have them on recording, they have like video and a

983
01:00:11.199 --> 01:00:13.480
<v Speaker 1>lot of audio. There's so much to it. He is

984
01:00:13.599 --> 01:00:15.800
<v Speaker 1>fucked and I'm so glad he's going to be removed

985
01:00:15.800 --> 01:00:18.960
<v Speaker 1>from this world because fuck this guy. Oh I'm raging.

986
01:00:19.000 --> 01:00:22.320
<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry. Yeah, he knew that he was too right,

987
01:00:22.800 --> 01:00:26.679
<v Speaker 2>frick Yeah, so gosh.

988
01:00:26.719 --> 01:00:29.480
<v Speaker 1>Anyways, thank you guys for being here. If you want

989
01:00:29.480 --> 01:00:30.920
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990
01:00:30.920 --> 01:00:32.599
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991
01:00:32.679 --> 01:00:34.840
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992
01:00:34.880 --> 01:00:38.800
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993
01:00:39.039 --> 01:00:41.360
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994
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995
01:00:44.599 --> 01:00:47.400
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998
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<v Speaker 1>thank you, and until next time, stay wicked at a

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<v Speaker 2>No.
