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Speaker 1: And we are back with another edition of the Federalist

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Radio Hour. I'm Matt Kittle, Senior Elections correspondent at the Federalist,

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and your experienced Shirpa on today's quest for Knowledge. As always,

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you can email the show at radio at the Federalist

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dot com, follow us on exit FDR LST. Make sure

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to subscribe wherever you download your podcast, and of course

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to the premium version of our website as well. Our

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guest today is SBA Pro Life America President Marjorie Danenfelzer.

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This week marks the third anniversary of the Supreme Court's

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Dobbs Decision, or the full case Dobbs State Health Officer

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of the Mississippi Department of Health at All versus Jackson

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Women's Health Organization at All. It's a big name for

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a very big case. The landmark decision overturned forty nine

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years of nationalized abortion under Roe v.

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Speaker 1: It has been an eventful three years to save the least. Marjorie,

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thank you so much for joining us on this edition

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of the Federalist Radio Hour.

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Speaker 3: Always a delight to be with you, Matt, Thank you.

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Speaker 1: For having me absolutely now. Nobody works harder in the

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cause of life than you and the good folks at

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SBA Pro Life take us back. Let us begin this

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conversation with where we were in June of twenty twenty two,

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because it was a monumental time, of course, mocked marked

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by a good deal of fear in the life movement.

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After information regarding the pending decision was release east we

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came out. It's curious the more things change, the more

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they stay the same. It was a period of fear

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and violence against the life movement, and much remains the

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same unfortunately on that front.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, while you're taking me back, I've been where.

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Speaker 4: Our whole team has been telling our where where you

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win stories today and the hard parts I tend to forget.

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Speaker 3: But no, you're right along.

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Speaker 4: Around the time there was the leak that is still

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being investigated from the Supreme Court about what the decision

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might be. Security threats went up everywhere, including with yours truly,

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and it really was an environment that I've never seen

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before personally.

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Speaker 3: But the pro life movement in general was experiencing.

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Speaker 4: Especially the pregnancy care center movement, which is ironic because

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of course that's the movement that is the most present

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to women who are wanting to keep their babies or

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provide option platform. So they were particularly victimized, and so yes,

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think of it. You know, I really do compare it

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very closely to the decisions in the Brown versus Board

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of Education, a couple of other Supreme Court decisions, but

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also the passage of the civil rights movement, other culture

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shaking moments where change was necessary.

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Speaker 3: I believe we'll see it just like that in not

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too many years.

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Speaker 4: Where people's habits have formed around what was acceptable in

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the law.

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Speaker 3: And so it's become normalized.

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Speaker 4: And so there was a lot of attachment, in other words,

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to be short, attachment to the way things were at

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that point. And so it was in the interests of

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big abortion to terrify women, children, anybody who loves women

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and children. And they did very well, and they terrified

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up and down the chain, from the grassroots to the

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candidates to the people in public office.

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Speaker 3: And at that moment.

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could do to prepare all of those categories, especially the

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people that were sitting in public office. But I think

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no amount of prep could have really handled it. It

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really took There were a few with incredible courage who

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were running and did a beautiful job. It was very

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difficult for others to step forward and lead at that moment,

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and in the face of the wrath of big abortion

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and the and what they had, and especially planned parenthood

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and the money that they had. So that's all the negative,

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and not to fill a buster. But the positive, of course,

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is that finally the court allowed us to regain the

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power that we once had to make our own law.

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Speaker 3: In Kavanaugh's terms, and the court in general.

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Speaker 4: Communicating deciding the great moral argument in the public public square,

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not dictated by a court, and therefore half the states

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immediately enacted strong pro life protections. Fast forward a lot

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and you'll see now just a handful of three years

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later today at ten ten in the morning, today, you'll

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see two very different Americas when it comes to this issue.

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Speaker 3: So we have a ways to.

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Speaker 1: Go, indeed, and you're right the sense of relief. I

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can't imagine working so hard for the protection of lives

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for almost fifty years. It was a mix of having

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to deal with all of these negatives, with the terror

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that was going on, and the idea that hey, finally,

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after this very long struggle, this is what we had

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been working so hard for for so many years. That joy,

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that relief must have been unimaginable.

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Speaker 3: It was amazing in our office.

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Speaker 4: You know, it was the last day of scota's decisions

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being announced, and it was the last case announced in

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that group. Yeah, so we figured it had to be

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that day, and I just happened to be in town.

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Speaker 3: I'll travel so much.

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Speaker 4: But most of our team gathered in our conference room

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at SBA, gathered around Billy Valentine, or head of public Affairs,

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who was monitoring all this all the time. And so

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we're finally getting to it. Finally get is ten o'clock,

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like they're not just going to not announce it, right,

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three years ago, the computer crashed. It was but everyone

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on the planet was waiting to find out who cared.

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I was waiting to find out the decisions, so we

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we didn't know, like for a few minutes.

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Speaker 3: And then the newest employee like in.

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Speaker 4: The back somehow got somehow got through on his phone,

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not on the computer, and said, roseman overturned.

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Speaker 3: And so we all are just praising God. Oh this

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really brings it back.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, praising God, and you know, all those who said

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that Roe was indestructible underestimated the truth of the.

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Speaker 3: Cause, the spiritual profundity.

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Speaker 4: Of the cause, the political might that the pro life

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movement had. Everyone who always predicted and still predicts that

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the pro life movement.

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Speaker 3: Has died were could now see. It's that this is

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something true at the core of this.

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Speaker 4: I keep saying it in the morning because immediately John

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ten ten popped into a lot of people who know

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Scripture's minds, and John ten ten is the thief only

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to steal and kill and destroy.

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Speaker 3: I have come that they may have life and have

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it to the full.

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Speaker 4: So not maybe an accident that it was handed down

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at ten ten in the morning, but just a reassurance

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that you know, it's all in in his hands, but

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he needs us to do that work. And again the

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works has has really begun. Not to be a downer,

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but the reality is that because of the advance of

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big abortions since that day, we do have strong pro

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Speaker 3: Gone up annually.

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Speaker 4: We're now at one point one million abortions per year.

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lot of folks that wow, you have half the states

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have really strong PROLAFE detections.

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Speaker 3: How could that be?

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Speaker 4: And the reason is because they were not taking this

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lying down. They don't respect state law. They send pills

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in unrestricted in the mail, no doctor's advice, no sonograms

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to see about eck topic, not even it doesn't even

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them and make sure you slip them into your girlfriend's

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drink if she wants to keep the baby. You don't

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this have These stories are happening all over the country.

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their political funds to target teenagers to bring them to

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California to get their abortions.

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Speaker 3: And then finally on.

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Speaker 4: The borders of pro life states like southern Illinois bordering

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on Indiana, enormous, enormous mega abortion mills sitting there waiting

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to attract the people of Illinois. And of course there's

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nothing illegal about going to another state and getting your abortion.

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Speaker 3: That's not illegal.

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Speaker 4: But what is unconstitutional, we believe, is the protection of those.

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Speaker 3: Pills going into states.

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Speaker 4: It should be in person dispensing at a minimum, and

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that actually would affect the numbers dramatically and serve women

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in ways that they really need, not just a moment

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of desperation.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's make a bad decision. Yeah, that's an important point.

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as well. With all of that joy that came after

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the long forty nine year battle to end Roe v. Wade,

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put the decision back into the state's hands where it belonged.

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I mean, as we know, and you know legal experts

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who are being honest, we'll tell you Roe v. Wade

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was a really flawed law to begin with, constitutionally speaking.

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But so you return it to the States, do you

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feel like that opened up a Pandora's box. I guess

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what I'm asking you is, in some ways, did it

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make the situation for the unborn and for mothers more difficult?

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Speaker 4: Now? I think what it is is the beginning, And

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there is a beginning of change in every single movement

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in American history, and it is rocky in the beginning.

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What this communicates us is the other side, which is

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always more loaded with cash and not loaded with grassroots,

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but more loaded with cash and elites will do everything

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they can to undermine this victory. That's why we can't

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take this sitting down, and why this president isn't and

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also why we need to hear.

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Speaker 3: There's a couple of things.

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Speaker 4: That we must be vigilant on. One is give the

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same sort of treatment to the abortion to abortion medication

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as you would any other medication. This idea that somehow

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in person dispensing isn't is dispensable is ridiculous. If a

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woman has an ectopic pregnancy or rh factor which would

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affect her second pregnancy, second wanted pregnancy, if she has

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a whole host of underlying conditions, they.

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Speaker 3: Need to be known. High blood pressure.

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Speaker 4: Nope, you know what for this, We're going to lower

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Speaker 3: There's so much about.

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Speaker 4: The institution of abortion that we don't really care that

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much about the health of women. We just got to

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take our stand on abortion, almighty abortion, and not focus

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on other things. So no, I don't think it. I

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think in the short run the other side has done

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lived up to its reputation and going on offense and

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undermining good things. But that means we must do the

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same in person dispensing again, which would be a ruling

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by the FDA to restore in person defensing, restore reporting

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requirements that the only reporter enquirement now for the abortion

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for abortion medication is if there's a death, not if

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there are All sorts of other adverse events like sepsis, hemorrhaging,

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all sorts of other things can happen and do and

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ers all over the country and are being tracked, but

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only death. It's like, don't get a stop sign put

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there until somebody has died.

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Speaker 3: How about we.

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Speaker 1: Have some.

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Speaker 4: Common sense forming habit forming regulations and safety protections for

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women before that. The only other thing I'll say, Matt,

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and that is, yes, it returned it to the States,

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but it also returned it to in the words of

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the Court and specifically Kavanaugh, it returned this to the

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voter and their elected representatives, which means the US Congress

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and state legislators across the country, not just states.

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Speaker 3: Because and why would that be. It's because this is

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Speaker 4: Matter of national interest, the protection of life from its

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earlyest at it earliest form and throughout, or it's not.

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Speaker 3: And that.

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Speaker 4: Especially if you have a strong attachment to Fourteenth Amendment

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and the equal protection clause. And if you just think, wow,

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we can't live in a nation where we have second

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states which we do now in which these ballot initiatives

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pro life states. So a national posture is necessary.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 4: And also we've got to work very hard to beat

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back the abortion lobby from undermining the sovereignty of states

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of course, with the overturning of real v weight. I

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want to get back to the these death pills for

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a moment. My colleague at the Federalist and the producer

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of this podcast, Jordan Boyd, has done excellent work in

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covering that particular issue and what she has found through

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her reporting. No, what she has found through her reporting,

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including a recent study, very extensive study that came out,

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shows just how dangerous this drug, this abortion drug is.

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recent information that we've seen on this in the compelling information,

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where do you think the FDA is going to go?

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do you think the FDA is going to go on this?

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Speaker 4: You're right about all of the private and outside investigations

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going on. I believe the report you're thinking of the

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two organizations came to the same conclusion looking at the

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same massive amount of data, and that is that the

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adverse events that are occurring from the abortion pill are

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ten times almost eleven times what is being communicated on

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the label of pill and more to that. But then

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there's also there's this claim it's just the abortion lobby

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pushes and it's just become part of the vernacular that

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somehow this is as safe as as tile and all

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our research arm did a peer route called Charlotte Lsure

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is absolutely not as absolutely wrong.

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Speaker 3: And then also the miscoding of.

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Speaker 4: The situation where women are coming into to the er,

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they and they're put down as a miscarriage rather than

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this adverse event occurred because of an abortion pill that

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has been documented to be happening over and over again.

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So it's it is a there is a great desire

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to keep this secret, that's the bottom line, A great

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desire to see it, keep it, keep this a secret

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because of the fealty to the institution of abortion, not

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care for the woman.

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Speaker 3: Who can care for the woman and who should be

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is the FDA.

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Speaker 4: UH and the secretary of AHHS has Secretary Kennedy, in

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his own hearings, in answer to Josh Hawley and others,

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committed that he would review and do their own research

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into the harms of this pill. UH and the same

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was communicated by the head of the FDA. So we

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are holding them to that. I believe they want to

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do it. Perhaps we are not.

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Speaker 3: We don't are not.

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Speaker 4: I we don't have to hold their feet at the fire,

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but we will. And what should happen at a minimum

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is that the the rims, the rules surrounding the distribution

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of this pill and the use of this pill must

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be restored to what it was under Trump and in

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the opposite of what happened under the Biden administration, who

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just said all you know, whatever, we don't really care,

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just send it out and no problem.

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Speaker 3: That's in essence what what it is. So again it

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would go back to in person dispensing.

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Speaker 4: Which would get it out of the mail, which is

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which is the biggest offender, but then also several other

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common sense regulations that would require someone who really knows

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what they're doing communicating with a woman about making sure

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that you know what her pre existing conditions might be,

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how the abortion pill would interact with it. Just just

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imagine how this is taken off out of every other

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health concern and and you there and think about how

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many other medications have been taken off the market by

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the FDA.

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Speaker 3: UH, you know, like uh zantas for instance. You know,

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because for you know.

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Speaker 4: Reasons a lot less significant than massive adverse events coming

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out of emergency rooms all over the country. So you

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actually asked, is there reticence to do this? I don't

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see it yet because I but we don't want to

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see it. So we're going to have to really communicate

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forcefully and not just be so worried about mid terms

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that we bury the woman and her welfare, uh for

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political reasons. Things like that happen a lot out of

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just pure human fear. There should be no fear in

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dealing with this because it's about the safety and welfare

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of women.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and literally literally burying women. That's that's what we

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have found out about this. I mean, these these death

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pills do what they are designed to do, and they

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also have, as we have found out through your good

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work and through some other stuff, Bud, these significant side

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effects and problems that go with them that should be known,

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and I think it should build a compelling case for

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the FDA moving forward. We'll find that out. The other

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area that you're battling, of course, and you knew you

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would three years later, is, as you mentioned before, the

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amount of money, the amount of funding that the abortion

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industry has, Big Abortion has, The Big beautiful bill would

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or could take a look at that from the taxpayer

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funded side of things. Where does that stand right now?

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And I'm sure that you've spent a lot of time

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lobbying on that front.

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Speaker 4: No, you bet, And it is kind of an a

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little bit of a replay here. Three years later, we

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were in this waiting mode, just great, great anticipation and

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prayer and work, you know, all work. What's going to

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happen is we're going to be overturned or not. And

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we're in the same mode right now with finding out

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whether the parliamentarian is going to allow defunding Big Abortion

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with Parenthood at the lead, whether she's going to allow

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that language to be in the big beautiful bill, which

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is also called a budget reconciliation bill reads and that

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this is different and why you're not hearing the term filibusters,

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just for those out in West Mooine, that that this

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requires only a majority in the Senate. It's not because

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it's a budget related item. There is this special bill

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that you can just adjust a majority. So that's why

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this budget related matter that that and I'm telling you

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it is a budget related matter because we you and

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I and everyone listening spends two million dollars a day

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on just planned parenthood in order that they that business

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can abort four hundred thousand and a men, them boys

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and girls every single year. They're doing this saying, oh, well,

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this is all about health care for women. So as

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abortions go up, transgender care goes up, political spending goes

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up at planned parenthood. And what goes down is contraception

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services down thirty nine percent in the last few years,

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and breast exams, pap smears, and cancer screens have gone

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down fifty percent in the last few years as those

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other things have gone up. The last little data point

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that I'll give you an answer to a lot of

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the hue and cry about taking away women's health care,

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which it certainly is not. Is that the money. Of course,

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there is no cut in health care for women's women's

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health at all. Medicaid, as everyone knows who is on

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Medicaid is for you. It follows the woman. And which

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is good news because when, when, and if big abortion

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planned parenthood go away, the ratio of already federally funded

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healthcare centers in this country, the ratio of them to

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plant parenthoods is fifteen to one, fifteen of those federally qualified,

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already funded healthcare centers to every one planned parenthood. And

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of course those the federal ones are far more comprehensive.

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They serve the whole body and the whole person. And

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as compared to you know, big abortion, which is so

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focused on one budget, business minded decision that they made

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long ago abortion. So they're getting everything they need without

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having without us being forced to pay for abortion businesses.

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Speaker 1: So there is a lot at stake coming up in

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the next several days on so many different fronts. Of course.

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Our guest today is SBA Pro Life America President Marjorie Vanenfelzer,

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joining us about the three year anniversary of the overturning

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of Row versus Wade. Where we stand today, where we

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are heading moving forward. One of the areas Marjorie, that

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you and I I've talked about before. You know, you

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have about half the states that have, you know, given

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the opportunity, have set restrictions wide restrictions on abortion. They've

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also advanced some very positive things on you know, assisting

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mothers and you know, legislation laws that help inform all

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of those important things. Then you have states that are

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kind of stuck in the middle, and I think about

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the state of Wisconsin and what happened recently with the

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Supreme Court election in April, where now you have a

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state that has a liberal led abortion defending led Supreme Court.

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In the state of Wisconsin, you have a legislature that

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has tried to limit abortion. In fact, when Roe v.

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Wade was overturned, you had a lawn Wisconsin that they

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dated back to the basically statehood in eighteen forty nine

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that's said that deeply restricted abortions. And now you have

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a court that is about to clearly overturn that. What

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do these states do? What are your efforts in these

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states now, in these entrenched battles that are kind of

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where you have the issue caught in the middle.

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Speaker 4: Yes, that's a very apt description of how they're caught

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in the middle. And we and our partners, very powerful

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partners in the states where these things are happening, are

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of course very focused, very concerned to somehow. Shoehorn Wisconsin

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and Montana is another good example out of a situation

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like that requires focus on winning judicial elections.

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Speaker 3: There's just no way around it.

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Speaker 4: And there's also a terrible track record on the Republicans

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conservative pro life.

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Speaker 3: Side of not being focused on them.

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Speaker 4: Maybe we're just regular people who just want to live

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our lives and not be so political, But we don't

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have that in this day and age.

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately, we don't have that luxury.

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Speaker 4: We simply have to focus on where we have an opportunity.

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Montana and Wisconsin too good examples of making sure that

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we have a court that will honor the will of

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the people and that can acknowledge that this is an area,

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like the Supreme Court has said that we should and

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we should be allowed to have the law reflect the

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moral convictions of the people of the state. Montana and

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Wisconsin are perfect examples. They, if allowed, would come up

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with the consensus of the state as pro life as

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it can possibly be without losing and that is not

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allowed in those states. Without focusing on court state Supreme

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Court elections. Unfortunately, that won't be able to be able

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to happen there. There also is the federalist rights on

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this a lot. But uh there also is kind of

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a little known uh or discussed way of appointing judges.

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and and and the this is why Missouri has had

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trouble at times that the a BA has signed off

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on or propose what the the judges that they think

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would be great, and then everybody gets to choose from

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that you can see already and he even places like uh,

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some real red states suffer under that terrible, uh terrible calculus.

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Speaker 3: The only other thing I would mention is.

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Speaker 4: The the other difficulty, the other uh place betwixt in

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between and trapped or places like Ohio and Missouri that

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have very strong pro life states, and that whole tsunami.

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tons of money, lies and change the state constitutions to

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disallow pro life protections in those states. And I think,

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and so now they're stuck with terrible laws Missouri, and

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I think what we saw.

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Speaker 3: What it will take is.

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Speaker 4: A very very, very newly committed, strong pro life government

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any state that is of that description to lead to

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be the campaign chairman for that pro life for a

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pro life correction of those initiatives, so new constitutional amendments

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that would supersede the bad ones that the left put in,

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you know, the minutes post jobs.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I would note that you've had some success

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on the other side of that. I think about Florida,

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of course, and the battles therein So I believe Nebraska,

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if I if I'm remembering correctly right, and.

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Speaker 3: North Dakota, Yeah, yeah, in North Dakota.

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Speaker 4: But I think without a question or DeSantis, and it

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was very high profile, so everybody was able to watch it. Same.

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a campaign, like the like the ballot initiative was the

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candidate and used everything legally in his power to promote

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the truth about what the ballot initiative was, which was

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a complete three trimester abortion allowance.

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Speaker 3: Uh and and uh.

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Speaker 4: Therefore, he raised money, he his own health department, communicated

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what what the reality would be for women who were

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had a health endangerment under the under you know, if

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the law changed. He uh worked the grassroots. He used

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to made sure that he worked closely with the Republican

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Party to get out the vote.

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Speaker 3: You know, that's how you do it if.

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Speaker 4: You really really want to win. And I think in

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Missouri we have a governor like that as well. Governor

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Keiho is that guy as well. Is a new governor,

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extremely passionate, articulate, and pro life. So our great hope

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is that that Missouri initiative goes well.

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Speaker 1: That's a big part of all of this. You and

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I have talked about this on a number of occasions.

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The biggest battle is the changing of hearts and minds.

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I mean, you can elect people, and that's a very

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important change. The configuration of supreme courts, that's important, but

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that only remains as long as those people are in

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positions of power and authority. What you have to do,

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and what you are doing now three years later, is

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going up against, in many ways a fifty year head

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start in what you talked about before, the normalization of

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the murder of the unborn that we have seen in

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this country over the last half century plus. That is

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going to take a massive campaign as it was even

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you know, it was the same fight that you had

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for fifty years into Roe v. Way, But that's a

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different era. How do you go about changing hearts and

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minds so ultimately you don't have a state country divided

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against itself. As Abraham Lincoln said, in a house divided

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against itself is very difficult to stand.

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Speaker 3: That's exactly right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that another way of looking at that

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question is how do we regain what was at the

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heart of the culture pre ro v Wade so and

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pre nineteen seventy three. How did people look at a

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Most people look at an unexpected pregnancy strife difficulty, yes, but.

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Speaker 3: It was more how to, not whether to?

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Speaker 4: And in general I'm not saying there were never extreme cases,

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but in general that was the cultural paradigm. So how

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do you regain that culture of life that generally did

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flourish in that time. We're never going to go back

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to the nineteen fifties. I don't want to, but I

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do think that we that is the challenge ahead of us.

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Speaker 3: And I think that one of the things is the reason.

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Speaker 4: That there was that culture of life then was that

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it was a day to day witness of what happens

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when a community and a family response sometimes secretive, is

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sometimes public. And I think now because we are more

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public about our problems, for better or for worse, and

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because unplanned pregnancies are you know, nobody really seems to

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blink at those anymore. We have an ability to serve

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and do and in our organization, her Plan Pregnancy and

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Life Assistance Network, especially in all of the Red States

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with strong pre life protections is daily working with pregnancy

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centers and all sorts of organizations to come around the

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woman with all a diverse group of services, answering addiction, homelessness,

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domestic abuse, all sorts of concerns that she may have,

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especially in the first couple of years of the of

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the child's life. There's that, there's there's that highly granular,

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localized answer is I think the most thorough going. But

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then also our own communications, not just pro life organizations, yes,

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but every elected official, especially the next presidential candidates, to

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be honest and the next senatorial candidates, communicating both the

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both the justice of the cause and the mercy to

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women and children every single time without fail.

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Speaker 3: Mentioning the big picture I think will take us a

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long way.

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Speaker 1: I think in this society there I don't think you

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have to look too far to see examples of how

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sick the society has become. And one of the sickest

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things to me is something you mentioned earlier in our conversation.

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That is the abortion tourism industry. California stands out in that,

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but there are many others. Again, Dobbs put it much

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into the hands of the states. But as you mentioned,

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Congress has a role in this very national issue as well.

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How do you check this sickness that is the abortion

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tourism industry.

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Speaker 3: I think this is a political thing.

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Speaker 4: I think this well, you know, political of course is upstream,

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is in the middle of culture, put it that way.

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But I think this abortion tourism thing is so sick

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that I think it should become a political issue.

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Speaker 3: For know, they're really really really blue, but.

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Speaker 4: That you know, especially a state like California where this

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is really happening, in New York where this is really

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happening a lot like it should It should people of

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those states, certainly with our help, but it is really

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the people of the states. They should be a hue

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and cry about states that are low on budget. They

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got you know, problems they can't solve, and here we

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are recruiting teenagers into our state to abort, to abort them,

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abort their babies and send them back home with a

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pat on the back, hope your problems get better. I mean,

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I think it's a that that is something that we

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can keep talking about.

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Speaker 3: But I think it really is. This is where there's

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a well in blue states that is one of.

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Speaker 4: Those marginal issues that could really work against some horrible

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sitting officeholders.

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Speaker 1: Well, we've talked a lot about some horrible things happening

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has closed with some hope three years in now in

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the Dobs decision, where do you see the hope lines

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for the life movement in America?

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Speaker 4: Well, I would say that I see much hope in

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what has come before. Every single time the death of

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the pro life movement is proclaimed. Every single time a

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media person or a person in the elite says that big.

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Speaker 3: Abortion or abortion in general.

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Speaker 4: Is indestructible, look at who has been indestructible, and that

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is the hearts and minds and policies of the pro

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life movement, and the successes of the pro life movement,

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with God's grace and so much work, so many lives

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are being saved, their adoption stories coming out all regularly

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about children that have lived rather than died, and we

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should all take hope in following their stories.

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Speaker 3: The hope is in the reality of.

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Speaker 4: Those children who are living who would have died, and

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this service and growth, service to their mothers, and the

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growth that comes from choosing life rather than death for

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your child.

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Speaker 1: And what about the base itself? Have you seen solid

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growth since the overturn of Roe v. Wade, and particularly

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as the abortion industry fires back. What are you seeing

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on the grassroots side moving forward?

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Speaker 3: Oh, I would say more equal, that's not a word,

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that's not a term. Equal and opposite.

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Speaker 4: Reaction, an authentic, overpowering response to what seeks to take

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away all of those gains for life. In other words,

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in our operation, we have massive field operations in battlegrounds

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this year in Virginia, which is a very important state

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that could go bad on this issue. We've got people

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going door to door right now preparation for the delegate

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and Senate rate in Virginia. But then also we've already

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started in Georgia, North Carolina, and Michigan for the midterms.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, no, there is. Thank god, people are the

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pro life movement, people who.

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Speaker 4: Care, people are not normally political, are paying attention and

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see what's happening.

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Speaker 1: I've said it before, I'll say it again. It is

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the first in that declaration life, liberty, the pursuit of

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happiness life. Thanks to my guest today, Marjorie Danenfelzer, president

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of SBA Pro Life America, you've been listening to another

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edition of the Federalist Radio Hour I'm Matt Kittle's senior

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elections correspondent at The Federalist. We'll be back soon with more.

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Until then, stay lovers of freedom and anxious for the

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fray

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Speaker 2: Been of