Speaker 1: And we are back with another edition of the Federalist
Radio Hour. I'm Matt Kittle, Senior Elections correspondent at the Federalist,
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guest today is SBA Pro Life America President Marjorie Danenfelzer.
This week marks the third anniversary of the Supreme Court's
Dobbs Decision, or the full case Dobbs State Health Officer
of the Mississippi Department of Health at All versus Jackson
Women's Health Organization at All. It's a big name for
a very big case. The landmark decision overturned forty nine
years of nationalized abortion under Roe v.
Speaker 2: Wade.
Speaker 1: It has been an eventful three years to save the least. Marjorie,
thank you so much for joining us on this edition
of the Federalist Radio Hour.
Speaker 3: Always a delight to be with you, Matt, Thank you.
Speaker 1: For having me absolutely now. Nobody works harder in the
cause of life than you and the good folks at
SBA Pro Life take us back. Let us begin this
conversation with where we were in June of twenty twenty two,
because it was a monumental time, of course, mocked marked
by a good deal of fear in the life movement.
After information regarding the pending decision was release east we
came out. It's curious the more things change, the more
they stay the same. It was a period of fear
and violence against the life movement, and much remains the
same unfortunately on that front.
Speaker 3: Yeah, while you're taking me back, I've been where.
Speaker 4: Our whole team has been telling our where where you
win stories today and the hard parts I tend to forget.
Speaker 3: But no, you're right along.
Speaker 4: Around the time there was the leak that is still
being investigated from the Supreme Court about what the decision
might be. Security threats went up everywhere, including with yours truly,
and it really was an environment that I've never seen
before personally.
Speaker 3: But the pro life movement in general was experiencing.
Speaker 4: Especially the pregnancy care center movement, which is ironic because
of course that's the movement that is the most present
to women who are wanting to keep their babies or
provide option platform. So they were particularly victimized, and so yes,
think of it. You know, I really do compare it
very closely to the decisions in the Brown versus Board
of Education, a couple of other Supreme Court decisions, but
also the passage of the civil rights movement, other culture
shaking moments where change was necessary.
Speaker 3: I believe we'll see it just like that in not
too many years.
Speaker 4: Where people's habits have formed around what was acceptable in
the law.
Speaker 3: And so it's become normalized.
Speaker 4: And so there was a lot of attachment, in other words,
to be short, attachment to the way things were at
that point. And so it was in the interests of
big abortion to terrify women, children, anybody who loves women
and children. And they did very well, and they terrified
up and down the chain, from the grassroots to the
candidates to the people in public office.
Speaker 3: And at that moment.
Speaker 4: I think we before that moment, we did all we
could do to prepare all of those categories, especially the
people that were sitting in public office. But I think
no amount of prep could have really handled it. It
really took There were a few with incredible courage who
were running and did a beautiful job. It was very
difficult for others to step forward and lead at that moment,
and in the face of the wrath of big abortion
and the and what they had, and especially planned parenthood
and the money that they had. So that's all the negative,
and not to fill a buster. But the positive, of course,
is that finally the court allowed us to regain the
power that we once had to make our own law.
Speaker 3: In Kavanaugh's terms, and the court in general.
Speaker 4: Communicating deciding the great moral argument in the public public square,
not dictated by a court, and therefore half the states
immediately enacted strong pro life protections. Fast forward a lot
and you'll see now just a handful of three years
later today at ten ten in the morning, today, you'll
see two very different Americas when it comes to this issue.
Speaker 3: So we have a ways to.
Speaker 1: Go, indeed, and you're right the sense of relief. I
can't imagine working so hard for the protection of lives
for almost fifty years. It was a mix of having
to deal with all of these negatives, with the terror
that was going on, and the idea that hey, finally,
after this very long struggle, this is what we had
been working so hard for for so many years. That joy,
that relief must have been unimaginable.
Speaker 3: It was amazing in our office.
Speaker 4: You know, it was the last day of scota's decisions
being announced, and it was the last case announced in
that group. Yeah, so we figured it had to be
that day, and I just happened to be in town.
Speaker 3: I'll travel so much.
Speaker 4: But most of our team gathered in our conference room
at SBA, gathered around Billy Valentine, or head of public Affairs,
who was monitoring all this all the time. And so
we're finally getting to it. Finally get is ten o'clock,
like they're not just going to not announce it, right,
And then finally, finally at ten ten in the morning
three years ago, the computer crashed. It was but everyone
on the planet was waiting to find out who cared.
I was waiting to find out the decisions, so we
we didn't know, like for a few minutes.
Speaker 3: And then the newest employee like in.
Speaker 4: The back somehow got somehow got through on his phone,
not on the computer, and said, roseman overturned.
Speaker 3: And so we all are just praising God. Oh this
really brings it back.
Speaker 4: Yeah, praising God, and you know, all those who said
that Roe was indestructible underestimated the truth of the.
Speaker 3: Cause, the spiritual profundity.
Speaker 4: Of the cause, the political might that the pro life
movement had. Everyone who always predicted and still predicts that
the pro life movement.
Speaker 3: Has died were could now see. It's that this is
something true at the core of this.
Speaker 4: I keep saying it in the morning because immediately John
ten ten popped into a lot of people who know
Scripture's minds, and John ten ten is the thief only
to steal and kill and destroy.
Speaker 3: I have come that they may have life and have
it to the full.
Speaker 4: So not maybe an accident that it was handed down
at ten ten in the morning, but just a reassurance
that you know, it's all in in his hands, but
he needs us to do that work. And again the
works has has really begun. Not to be a downer,
but the reality is that because of the advance of
big abortions since that day, we do have strong pro
life states, but abortion numbers have.
Speaker 3: Gone up annually.
Speaker 4: We're now at one point one million abortions per year.
Kind of defining what common sense may dictate to a
lot of folks that wow, you have half the states
have really strong PROLAFE detections.
Speaker 3: How could that be?
Speaker 4: And the reason is because they were not taking this
lying down. They don't respect state law. They send pills
in unrestricted in the mail, no doctor's advice, no sonograms
to see about eck topic, not even it doesn't even
matter if you're a man or a woman. You can
get those pills if you want them, you can stockpile
them and make sure you slip them into your girlfriend's
drink if she wants to keep the baby. You don't
this have These stories are happening all over the country.
So the pills, the weird abortion tourism California spinning. It's
their political funds to target teenagers to bring them to
California to get their abortions.
Speaker 3: And then finally on.
Speaker 4: The borders of pro life states like southern Illinois bordering
on Indiana, enormous, enormous mega abortion mills sitting there waiting
to attract the people of Illinois. And of course there's
nothing illegal about going to another state and getting your abortion.
Speaker 3: That's not illegal.
Speaker 4: But what is unconstitutional, we believe, is the protection of those.
Speaker 3: Pills going into states.
Speaker 4: It should be in person dispensing at a minimum, and
that actually would affect the numbers dramatically and serve women
in ways that they really need, not just a moment
of desperation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's make a bad decision. Yeah, that's an important point.
And I guess that's what I wanted to ask you
as well. With all of that joy that came after
the long forty nine year battle to end Roe v. Wade,
put the decision back into the state's hands where it belonged.
I mean, as we know, and you know legal experts
who are being honest, we'll tell you Roe v. Wade
was a really flawed law to begin with, constitutionally speaking.
But so you return it to the States, do you
feel like that opened up a Pandora's box. I guess
what I'm asking you is, in some ways, did it
make the situation for the unborn and for mothers more difficult?
More problematic?
Speaker 4: Now? I think what it is is the beginning, And
there is a beginning of change in every single movement
in American history, and it is rocky in the beginning.
What this communicates us is the other side, which is
always more loaded with cash and not loaded with grassroots,
but more loaded with cash and elites will do everything
they can to undermine this victory. That's why we can't
take this sitting down, and why this president isn't and
also why we need to hear.
Speaker 3: There's a couple of things.
Speaker 4: That we must be vigilant on. One is give the
same sort of treatment to the abortion to abortion medication
as you would any other medication. This idea that somehow
in person dispensing isn't is dispensable is ridiculous. If a
woman has an ectopic pregnancy or rh factor which would
affect her second pregnancy, second wanted pregnancy, if she has
a whole host of underlying conditions, they.
Speaker 3: Need to be known. High blood pressure.
Speaker 4: Nope, you know what for this, We're going to lower
the standards so dramatically.
Speaker 3: There's so much about.
Speaker 4: The institution of abortion that we don't really care that
much about the health of women. We just got to
take our stand on abortion, almighty abortion, and not focus
on other things. So no, I don't think it. I
think in the short run the other side has done
lived up to its reputation and going on offense and
undermining good things. But that means we must do the
same in person dispensing again, which would be a ruling
by the FDA to restore in person defensing, restore reporting
requirements that the only reporter enquirement now for the abortion
for abortion medication is if there's a death, not if
there are All sorts of other adverse events like sepsis, hemorrhaging,
all sorts of other things can happen and do and
ers all over the country and are being tracked, but
only death. It's like, don't get a stop sign put
there until somebody has died.
Speaker 3: How about we.
Speaker 1: Have some.
Speaker 4: Common sense forming habit forming regulations and safety protections for
women before that. The only other thing I'll say, Matt,
and that is, yes, it returned it to the States,
but it also returned it to in the words of
the Court and specifically Kavanaugh, it returned this to the
voter and their elected representatives, which means the US Congress
and state legislators across the country, not just states.
Speaker 3: Because and why would that be. It's because this is
either a.
Speaker 4: Matter of national interest, the protection of life from its
earlyest at it earliest form and throughout, or it's not.
Speaker 3: And that.
Speaker 4: Especially if you have a strong attachment to Fourteenth Amendment
and the equal protection clause. And if you just think, wow,
we can't live in a nation where we have second
and third trimester abortions allowed in in tent of our
states which we do now in which these ballot initiatives
are are are making reality, and a lot of other
pro life states. So a national posture is necessary.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: And also we've got to work very hard to beat
back the abortion lobby from undermining the sovereignty of states
right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there is no doubt this is a national concern.
It has always been a national concern that does not end,
of course, with the overturning of real v weight. I
want to get back to the these death pills for
a moment. My colleague at the Federalist and the producer
of this podcast, Jordan Boyd, has done excellent work in
covering that particular issue and what she has found through
her reporting. No, what she has found through her reporting,
including a recent study, very extensive study that came out,
shows just how dangerous this drug, this abortion drug is.
With all of the new information, and you know, the
recent information that we've seen on this in the compelling information,
where do you think the FDA is going to go?
There seems to be a little and transigence there where
do you think the FDA is going to go on this?
Speaker 4: You're right about all of the private and outside investigations
going on. I believe the report you're thinking of the
two organizations came to the same conclusion looking at the
same massive amount of data, and that is that the
adverse events that are occurring from the abortion pill are
ten times almost eleven times what is being communicated on
the label of pill and more to that. But then
there's also there's this claim it's just the abortion lobby
pushes and it's just become part of the vernacular that
somehow this is as safe as as tile and all
our research arm did a peer route called Charlotte Lsure
Institute did a peer reviewed study completely debunking that claim
is absolutely not as absolutely wrong.
Speaker 3: And then also the miscoding of.
Speaker 4: The situation where women are coming into to the er,
they and they're put down as a miscarriage rather than
this adverse event occurred because of an abortion pill that
has been documented to be happening over and over again.
So it's it is a there is a great desire
to keep this secret, that's the bottom line, A great
desire to see it, keep it, keep this a secret
because of the fealty to the institution of abortion, not
care for the woman.
Speaker 3: Who can care for the woman and who should be
is the FDA.
Speaker 4: UH and the secretary of AHHS has Secretary Kennedy, in
his own hearings, in answer to Josh Hawley and others,
committed that he would review and do their own research
into the harms of this pill. UH and the same
was communicated by the head of the FDA. So we
are holding them to that. I believe they want to
do it. Perhaps we are not.
Speaker 3: We don't are not.
Speaker 4: I we don't have to hold their feet at the fire,
but we will. And what should happen at a minimum
is that the the rims, the rules surrounding the distribution
of this pill and the use of this pill must
be restored to what it was under Trump and in
the opposite of what happened under the Biden administration, who
just said all you know, whatever, we don't really care,
just send it out and no problem.
Speaker 3: That's in essence what what it is. So again it
would go back to in person dispensing.
Speaker 4: Which would get it out of the mail, which is
which is the biggest offender, but then also several other
common sense regulations that would require someone who really knows
what they're doing communicating with a woman about making sure
that you know what her pre existing conditions might be,
how the abortion pill would interact with it. Just just
imagine how this is taken off out of every other
health concern and and you there and think about how
many other medications have been taken off the market by
the FDA.
Speaker 3: UH, you know, like uh zantas for instance. You know,
because for you know.
Speaker 4: Reasons a lot less significant than massive adverse events coming
out of emergency rooms all over the country. So you
actually asked, is there reticence to do this? I don't
see it yet because I but we don't want to
see it. So we're going to have to really communicate
forcefully and not just be so worried about mid terms
that we bury the woman and her welfare, uh for
political reasons. Things like that happen a lot out of
just pure human fear. There should be no fear in
dealing with this because it's about the safety and welfare
of women.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and literally literally burying women. That's that's what we
have found out about this. I mean, these these death
pills do what they are designed to do, and they
also have, as we have found out through your good
work and through some other stuff, Bud, these significant side
effects and problems that go with them that should be known,
and I think it should build a compelling case for
the FDA moving forward. We'll find that out. The other
area that you're battling, of course, and you knew you
would three years later, is, as you mentioned before, the
amount of money, the amount of funding that the abortion
industry has, Big Abortion has, The Big beautiful bill would
or could take a look at that from the taxpayer
funded side of things. Where does that stand right now?
And I'm sure that you've spent a lot of time
lobbying on that front.
Speaker 4: No, you bet, And it is kind of an a
little bit of a replay here. Three years later, we
were in this waiting mode, just great, great anticipation and
prayer and work, you know, all work. What's going to
happen is we're going to be overturned or not. And
we're in the same mode right now with finding out
whether the parliamentarian is going to allow defunding Big Abortion
with Parenthood at the lead, whether she's going to allow
that language to be in the big beautiful bill, which
is also called a budget reconciliation bill reads and that
this is different and why you're not hearing the term filibusters,
just for those out in West Mooine, that that this
requires only a majority in the Senate. It's not because
it's a budget related item. There is this special bill
that you can just adjust a majority. So that's why
this budget related matter that that and I'm telling you
it is a budget related matter because we you and
I and everyone listening spends two million dollars a day
on just planned parenthood in order that they that business
can abort four hundred thousand and a men, them boys
and girls every single year. They're doing this saying, oh, well,
this is all about health care for women. So as
abortions go up, transgender care goes up, political spending goes
up at planned parenthood. And what goes down is contraception
services down thirty nine percent in the last few years,
and breast exams, pap smears, and cancer screens have gone
down fifty percent in the last few years as those
other things have gone up. The last little data point
that I'll give you an answer to a lot of
the hue and cry about taking away women's health care,
which it certainly is not. Is that the money. Of course,
there is no cut in health care for women's women's
health at all. Medicaid, as everyone knows who is on
Medicaid is for you. It follows the woman. And which
is good news because when, when, and if big abortion
planned parenthood go away, the ratio of already federally funded
healthcare centers in this country, the ratio of them to
plant parenthoods is fifteen to one, fifteen of those federally qualified,
already funded healthcare centers to every one planned parenthood. And
of course those the federal ones are far more comprehensive.
They serve the whole body and the whole person. And
as compared to you know, big abortion, which is so
focused on one budget, business minded decision that they made
long ago abortion. So they're getting everything they need without
having without us being forced to pay for abortion businesses.
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Speaker 1: So there is a lot at stake coming up in
the next several days on so many different fronts. Of course.
Our guest today is SBA Pro Life America President Marjorie Vanenfelzer,
joining us about the three year anniversary of the overturning
of Row versus Wade. Where we stand today, where we
are heading moving forward. One of the areas Marjorie, that
you and I I've talked about before. You know, you
have about half the states that have, you know, given
the opportunity, have set restrictions wide restrictions on abortion. They've
also advanced some very positive things on you know, assisting
mothers and you know, legislation laws that help inform all
of those important things. Then you have states that are
kind of stuck in the middle, and I think about
the state of Wisconsin and what happened recently with the
Supreme Court election in April, where now you have a
state that has a liberal led abortion defending led Supreme Court.
In the state of Wisconsin, you have a legislature that
has tried to limit abortion. In fact, when Roe v.
Wade was overturned, you had a lawn Wisconsin that they
dated back to the basically statehood in eighteen forty nine
that's said that deeply restricted abortions. And now you have
a court that is about to clearly overturn that. What
do these states do? What are your efforts in these
states now, in these entrenched battles that are kind of
where you have the issue caught in the middle.
Speaker 4: Yes, that's a very apt description of how they're caught
in the middle. And we and our partners, very powerful
partners in the states where these things are happening, are
of course very focused, very concerned to somehow. Shoehorn Wisconsin
and Montana is another good example out of a situation
like that requires focus on winning judicial elections.
Speaker 3: There's just no way around it.
Speaker 4: And there's also a terrible track record on the Republicans
conservative pro life.
Speaker 3: Side of not being focused on them.
Speaker 4: Maybe we're just regular people who just want to live
our lives and not be so political, But we don't
have that in this day and age.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, we don't have that luxury.
Speaker 4: We simply have to focus on where we have an opportunity.
Montana and Wisconsin too good examples of making sure that
we have a court that will honor the will of
the people and that can acknowledge that this is an area,
like the Supreme Court has said that we should and
we should be allowed to have the law reflect the
moral convictions of the people of the state. Montana and
Wisconsin are perfect examples. They, if allowed, would come up
with the consensus of the state as pro life as
it can possibly be without losing and that is not
allowed in those states. Without focusing on court state Supreme
Court elections. Unfortunately, that won't be able to be able
to happen there. There also is the federalist rights on
this a lot. But uh there also is kind of
a little known uh or discussed way of appointing judges.
This through this uh uh Missouri approach that started and
and and and the this is why Missouri has had
trouble at times that the a BA has signed off
on or propose what the the judges that they think
would be great, and then everybody gets to choose from
that you can see already and he even places like uh,
some real red states suffer under that terrible, uh terrible calculus.
Speaker 3: The only other thing I would mention is.
Speaker 4: The the other difficulty, the other uh place betwixt in
between and trapped or places like Ohio and Missouri that
have very strong pro life states, and that whole tsunami.
Right after Dobbs had, the pro abortion left swooping with
tons of money, lies and change the state constitutions to
disallow pro life protections in those states. And I think,
and so now they're stuck with terrible laws Missouri, and
I think what we saw.
Speaker 3: What it will take is.
Speaker 4: A very very, very newly committed, strong pro life government
any state that is of that description to lead to
be the campaign chairman for that pro life for a
pro life correction of those initiatives, so new constitutional amendments
that would supersede the bad ones that the left put in,
you know, the minutes post jobs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I would note that you've had some success
on the other side of that. I think about Florida,
of course, and the battles therein So I believe Nebraska,
if I if I'm remembering correctly right, and.
Speaker 3: North Dakota, Yeah, yeah, in North Dakota.
Speaker 4: But I think without a question or DeSantis, and it
was very high profile, so everybody was able to watch it. Same.
Speaker 3: It's true of government.
Speaker 4: Governor Pillon and Nebraska Governor DeSantis really treated this like
a campaign, like the like the ballot initiative was the
candidate and used everything legally in his power to promote
the truth about what the ballot initiative was, which was
a complete three trimester abortion allowance.
Speaker 3: Uh and and uh.
Speaker 4: Therefore, he raised money, he his own health department, communicated
what what the reality would be for women who were
had a health endangerment under the under you know, if
the law changed. He uh worked the grassroots. He used
to made sure that he worked closely with the Republican
Party to get out the vote.
Speaker 3: You know, that's how you do it if.
Speaker 4: You really really want to win. And I think in
Missouri we have a governor like that as well. Governor
Keiho is that guy as well. Is a new governor,
extremely passionate, articulate, and pro life. So our great hope
is that that Missouri initiative goes well.
Speaker 1: That's a big part of all of this. You and
I have talked about this on a number of occasions.
The biggest battle is the changing of hearts and minds.
I mean, you can elect people, and that's a very
important change. The configuration of supreme courts, that's important, but
that only remains as long as those people are in
positions of power and authority. What you have to do,
and what you are doing now three years later, is
going up against, in many ways a fifty year head
start in what you talked about before, the normalization of
the murder of the unborn that we have seen in
this country over the last half century plus. That is
going to take a massive campaign as it was even
you know, it was the same fight that you had
for fifty years into Roe v. Way, But that's a
different era. How do you go about changing hearts and
minds so ultimately you don't have a state country divided
against itself. As Abraham Lincoln said, in a house divided
against itself is very difficult to stand.
Speaker 3: That's exactly right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that another way of looking at that
question is how do we regain what was at the
heart of the culture pre ro v Wade so and
pre nineteen seventy three. How did people look at a
Most people look at an unexpected pregnancy strife difficulty, yes, but.
Speaker 3: It was more how to, not whether to?
Speaker 4: And in general I'm not saying there were never extreme cases,
but in general that was the cultural paradigm. So how
do you regain that culture of life that generally did
flourish in that time. We're never going to go back
to the nineteen fifties. I don't want to, but I
do think that we that is the challenge ahead of us.
Speaker 3: And I think that one of the things is the reason.
Speaker 4: That there was that culture of life then was that
it was a day to day witness of what happens
when a community and a family response sometimes secretive, is
sometimes public. And I think now because we are more
public about our problems, for better or for worse, and
because unplanned pregnancies are you know, nobody really seems to
blink at those anymore. We have an ability to serve
and do and in our organization, her Plan Pregnancy and
Life Assistance Network, especially in all of the Red States
with strong pre life protections is daily working with pregnancy
centers and all sorts of organizations to come around the
woman with all a diverse group of services, answering addiction, homelessness,
domestic abuse, all sorts of concerns that she may have,
especially in the first couple of years of the of
the child's life. There's that, there's there's that highly granular,
localized answer is I think the most thorough going. But
then also our own communications, not just pro life organizations, yes,
but every elected official, especially the next presidential candidates, to
be honest and the next senatorial candidates, communicating both the
both the justice of the cause and the mercy to
women and children every single time without fail.
Speaker 3: Mentioning the big picture I think will take us a
long way.
Speaker 1: I think in this society there I don't think you
have to look too far to see examples of how
sick the society has become. And one of the sickest
things to me is something you mentioned earlier in our conversation.
That is the abortion tourism industry. California stands out in that,
but there are many others. Again, Dobbs put it much
into the hands of the states. But as you mentioned,
Congress has a role in this very national issue as well.
How do you check this sickness that is the abortion
tourism industry.
Speaker 3: I think this is a political thing.
Speaker 4: I think this well, you know, political of course is upstream,
is in the middle of culture, put it that way.
But I think this abortion tourism thing is so sick
that I think it should become a political issue.
Speaker 3: For know, they're really really really blue, but.
Speaker 4: That you know, especially a state like California where this
is really happening, in New York where this is really
happening a lot like it should It should people of
those states, certainly with our help, but it is really
the people of the states. They should be a hue
and cry about states that are low on budget. They
got you know, problems they can't solve, and here we
are recruiting teenagers into our state to abort, to abort them,
abort their babies and send them back home with a
pat on the back, hope your problems get better. I mean,
I think it's a that that is something that we
can keep talking about.
Speaker 3: But I think it really is. This is where there's
a well in blue states that is one of.
Speaker 4: Those marginal issues that could really work against some horrible
sitting officeholders.
Speaker 1: Well, we've talked a lot about some horrible things happening
has closed with some hope three years in now in
the Dobs decision, where do you see the hope lines
for the life movement in America?
Speaker 4: Well, I would say that I see much hope in
what has come before. Every single time the death of
the pro life movement is proclaimed. Every single time a
media person or a person in the elite says that big.
Speaker 3: Abortion or abortion in general.
Speaker 4: Is indestructible, look at who has been indestructible, and that
is the hearts and minds and policies of the pro
life movement, and the successes of the pro life movement,
with God's grace and so much work, so many lives
are being saved, their adoption stories coming out all regularly
about children that have lived rather than died, and we
should all take hope in following their stories.
Speaker 3: The hope is in the reality of.
Speaker 4: Those children who are living who would have died, and
this service and growth, service to their mothers, and the
growth that comes from choosing life rather than death for
your child.
Speaker 1: And what about the base itself? Have you seen solid
growth since the overturn of Roe v. Wade, and particularly
as the abortion industry fires back. What are you seeing
on the grassroots side moving forward?
Speaker 3: Oh, I would say more equal, that's not a word,
that's not a term. Equal and opposite.
Speaker 4: Reaction, an authentic, overpowering response to what seeks to take
away all of those gains for life. In other words,
in our operation, we have massive field operations in battlegrounds
this year in Virginia, which is a very important state
that could go bad on this issue. We've got people
going door to door right now preparation for the delegate
and Senate rate in Virginia. But then also we've already
started in Georgia, North Carolina, and Michigan for the midterms.
Speaker 3: So yeah, no, there is. Thank god, people are the
pro life movement, people who.
Speaker 4: Care, people are not normally political, are paying attention and
see what's happening.
Speaker 1: I've said it before, I'll say it again. It is
the first in that declaration life, liberty, the pursuit of
happiness life. Thanks to my guest today, Marjorie Danenfelzer, president
of SBA Pro Life America, you've been listening to another
edition of the Federalist Radio Hour I'm Matt Kittle's senior
elections correspondent at The Federalist. We'll be back soon with more.
Until then, stay lovers of freedom and anxious for the
fray
Speaker 2: Been of