Speaker 1: This is six year agenda. I'm your host, Andrew here
Speaker 1: again with my boy justin Yop, and we talked about
Speaker 1: what they want and back with us.
Speaker 2: We got Sims what's going on? Back appreciated, appreciated.
Speaker 1: He missed a few. We caught him up a little
Speaker 1: bit what he missed on. Uh yeah. In the meantime,
Speaker 1: we've been getting a lot more followers right on for that.
Speaker 1: You guys are awesome, definitely, uh like share all that
Speaker 1: good stuff really helps us out. Yeah, keep enjoying it.
Speaker 1: We're gonna keep hitting it hard. Maybe having a special
Speaker 1: you know, maybe a little special guest coming up.
Speaker 2: We'll see you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't even tell Sims about it yet.
Speaker 1: It's just some stuff in the works right now. All right,
Speaker 1: all right, so yeah, you listeners may be in for
Speaker 1: a treat. We'll be getting into that but today, So
Speaker 1: like I said last week, we're gonna be getting into
Speaker 1: a little bit of that occult side of this tech
Speaker 1: billionaire accelerationism that we've been talking about. And uh yeah,
Speaker 1: I've got a it's gonna be packed full of crazy,
Speaker 1: crazy stuff. I'm gonna try to make it as coherent
Speaker 1: as possible because The people that are into this stuff
Speaker 1: are just nuts. I mean, it's hard to even make
Speaker 1: it coherent what they're trying to do. But you know,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be fun and uh, it's gonna be pretty deep.
Speaker 1: But first off, we'll kind of get into what happened
Speaker 1: in the past couple of days, your boys getting flagged for
Speaker 1: violent extremism online. So I gotta watch it. I just
Speaker 1: put up Alex Jones versus Bill Cooper, and I think
Speaker 1: it's either the verses or the two names. I can't
Speaker 1: tell which, but obviously, you know whatever, it's cool. I'll
Speaker 1: just watch it a little bit. Just came to post
Speaker 1: anything online. It's just amazing because I've posted some crazy
Speaker 1: things I feel like on there that had other topics
Speaker 1: they were a little weirder that didn't get flagged at all.
Speaker 1: So that was kind of odd to me.
Speaker 3: What platform did you get flagged on?
Speaker 1: Again? It was on TikTok, which surprised me because they've
Speaker 1: kind of let everything slide so far. But I was like, whatever,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just posting random stuff just to or
Speaker 1: you while I was promoting actually the show on that one.
Speaker 1: But a lot of times I'll put up you know,
Speaker 1: a little short kind of sensationalist clips, you know, because
Speaker 1: people like that, like kind of like the cern making
Speaker 1: lead into gold one, like you know, stuff that we
Speaker 1: kind of touch on, but it's not really like you know,
Speaker 1: it's whatever, you know, but it's that pop conspiracy stuff,
Speaker 1: but it kind of brings brings people over, you know,
Speaker 1: let let us check let him check us out or whatever.
Speaker 1: But but anyway, yeah, so that's usually what we utilize,
Speaker 1: the force that when we promote the shows, we got
Speaker 1: to people that may want to check it out. But anyway,
Speaker 1: I just thought that was odd, but hey, it's cool
Speaker 1: because it worked out. Uh, we got some shit out
Speaker 1: of that, so it's all good. But yeah, so I
Speaker 1: don't even know where to start with this. I mean
Speaker 1: we could start with, uh, cybernetics, which is kind of
Speaker 1: I guess, the meat of the matter. Whenever it comes
Speaker 1: to this stuff, we'll get into the Jack Parsons Aleistair
Speaker 1: Crowley side of it, which is the occult like where
Speaker 1: it kind of started. But cybernetics in general is a
Speaker 1: science that's kind of put I think, encompassing everything. It
Speaker 1: is the application of control pretty much for like biology,
Speaker 1: social engineering, technology, I mean, I didn't even know they
Speaker 1: encompassed so many things. So they deal with AI, how
Speaker 1: systems learn, adapt to make decisions, Social sciences analyzing social structures,
Speaker 1: organizations and communications, psychology, the study of human behavior, decision
Speaker 1: making learning. So then of course they study like how
Speaker 1: it all interacts with each other, you know, the you know,
Speaker 1: the nervous system, robotics, everything, you know, the AI, and
Speaker 1: mix it all together and they kind of see how
Speaker 1: it's all going to interact because I think the whole
Speaker 1: concept with the six year Agenda, they want to merge
Speaker 1: it all together. And so cybernetics seems to be the
Speaker 1: science that like is really doing it all. And the
Speaker 1: people who started something called the CCRU, which is the
Speaker 1: Cybernetics Culture Research Unit, but it was like a fringe
Speaker 1: academic para academic collective, but it was formed by this
Speaker 1: guy Nick Land, And yeah, he was into some wild
Speaker 1: kind of chaos magic mixed with AI philosophy. So just
Speaker 1: like I said, he's you know, and then when you
Speaker 1: know that cybernetics is dealing with all this, and you
Speaker 1: know that the dudes are into the cult ritualistic kind
Speaker 1: of occult practice, that's where shit gets weird because if
Speaker 1: they weren't into this stuff, then I would just be like, hey,
Speaker 1: you know what, whatever they're making technology that's going to
Speaker 1: merge with people, I wouldn't be so weird about it
Speaker 1: if they didn't also mix in I don't know, like
Speaker 1: kind of satanic shit. But yes, we'll get into what
Speaker 1: the CCRU is. So pretty much what they are is, uh,
Speaker 1: they constructed a new program. It's a numerological map combines
Speaker 1: like the Kabbala, which is Jewish mysticism, chaos, magic, and numerology,
Speaker 1: and then they pretty much use this with their I
Speaker 1: guess technology that they're kind of building up this AI stuff.
Speaker 1: All right, So what was this guy Nick Land into
Speaker 1: at the CCRU in the nineties.
Speaker 2: They were kind of doing.
Speaker 1: Rogue hyperstitional occult philosophy rituals and hyperstitionism or whatever that
Speaker 1: word is is something that they made up, which is
Speaker 1: just the idea that they make superstitions real by applying
Speaker 1: their cybernetics, AI occult rituals and kind of just focusing
Speaker 1: really hard on it. And their concept is collective consciousness.
Speaker 1: Everybody kind of knows the idea of collective consciousness, so
Speaker 1: they're kind of taking that, and they're like, if we
Speaker 1: can put this in front of everybody, then we can
Speaker 1: build this collective consciousness towards what we're trying to create. Right,
Speaker 1: if we could get people to imagine a world that
Speaker 1: AI runs the world, an AI will run the world.
Speaker 1: That's kind of what I'm saying, and that's what they're
Speaker 1: literally trying to do, But I'll break down how they're
Speaker 1: doing that. They believe that modern culture, technology, and financial
Speaker 1: systems had become an emergent autonomous intelligent intelligence on its own.
Speaker 1: So capitalism is kind of its own intelligence already is
Speaker 1: in their concepts, and so pretty much it evolves through
Speaker 1: humanity's obsession with computation, greed, control and speed and trying
Speaker 1: to build up this system in general, because we are
Speaker 1: always trying to chase better, better, better, and that whole
Speaker 1: thing behind that is a consciousness itself, is what they think.
Speaker 1: And so they look at AI as a god made
Speaker 1: from hyperstition, and so they want to create a god
Speaker 1: with AI by pretty much just shoving it in everybody's
Speaker 1: face constantly making everybody use it. We're doing We're getting
Speaker 1: free things like memory learning apps like chat GBT, We're
Speaker 1: just feeding it that's what we're doing. And so as
Speaker 1: we keep feeding it, it keeps feeding the data and
Speaker 1: then the behavioral you know, all the things cybernetics does.
Speaker 1: It studies your mind, the way you think, the way
Speaker 1: that social structures are built, all of it. They literally
Speaker 1: cover everything, so it is kind of freaky that they
Speaker 1: do encompass everything. And then the leaders of the AI.
Speaker 1: But what I'm getting at is there was something called
Speaker 1: the Babylon Working done with Parsons l Ron Hubbard. So
Speaker 1: Jack Parsons, he was a rocket engineering for NASA, and
Speaker 1: he was also super into the occult and he hung
Speaker 1: out with Alistair Crowley, who is really deep into this
Speaker 1: stuff as well. And l Ron Hubbard, if you don't know,
Speaker 1: he's the guy who started scientology later, so Scientology we
Speaker 1: all know, is obviously a very big cult that kind
Speaker 1: of controls people with money, and I mean humiliation rituals
Speaker 1: where they'll slap people in front of everybody, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of like the Will Smith Chris Rock situation. Well
Speaker 1: he you know, I've heard that Will Smith was a scientologist,
Speaker 1: so it makes a lot of sense why you would
Speaker 1: see that exact humiliation ritual going on, and you know,
Speaker 1: on a live TV and yeah, that's like a mainstream
Speaker 1: scientology event that we witnessed, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But it comes from people who worshiped Aleister Crowley and
Speaker 1: what he was into. And that's the idea of I
Speaker 1: don't know, I mean just this the fact that there
Speaker 1: is what they call him as eggregors. But pretty much
Speaker 1: it's paranormal entities or intelligences that are in other realms.
Speaker 1: I think quantum physics is supposed to be something to
Speaker 1: kind of prove and access this realm that we're talking about.
Speaker 1: I think most science is just them trying to access
Speaker 1: this realm full of intelligence and then manifest them here.
Speaker 1: And I think that unfortunately, the AI shit is probably
Speaker 1: exactly what's supposed to do it. But yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 1: Hubert didn't explicitly identify as a cyberneticist, but he did
Speaker 1: look at mind as a machine. He described the mind
Speaker 1: is kind of mechanistic, and he also he did a
Speaker 1: lot of like beedback and auditing, which I think has
Speaker 1: to do with I don't know, like weird rituals that
Speaker 1: they would do, which is kind of what I get
Speaker 1: back to with the slap and in the face of
Speaker 1: I don't know. They do mental auditing. That's what it
Speaker 1: was like, kind of like an AA where they're like,
Speaker 1: you know, write down all on take an inventory of
Speaker 1: all your flaws, and then you talk to somebody else
Speaker 1: about it and that's like getting it all out. That's
Speaker 1: kind of similar to what they do in scientology. So
Speaker 1: I mean almost every little cult or thing kind of
Speaker 1: has a a slight. They almost mirror each other everywhere
Speaker 1: you go. But anyway, so the kind of crazy stuff
Speaker 1: that they got into with the Babylon working was they
Speaker 1: were trying to manifest a woman, open up portal, and
Speaker 1: release this spiritual force into our dimension and it never
Speaker 1: left according to them, and Jack Parsons went kind of
Speaker 1: crazy after this. I think he even ended up dying
Speaker 1: in a weird way because he was being haunted by
Speaker 1: this whatever entity that they accessed while they were doing
Speaker 1: this Babylon working. And they were doing it through essentially
Speaker 1: a mixture of what Alistair Crowley taught and then also
Speaker 1: a mixture of kind of like the idea of mathematics
Speaker 1: and then science, and because Jack Parsons was into that
Speaker 1: part of it, so then they bring it all together
Speaker 1: and do a crazy ritual. But I'm trying to find
Speaker 1: where the where the exact Yeah, they said that they
Speaker 1: made a moonchild, that's what it was called, who would
Speaker 1: be the harbinger of a new era. And this moonchild,
Speaker 1: you know, is not like a physical entity, but it's
Speaker 1: something that they say they manifested in this other place.
Speaker 1: And then Jack Parsons spent the rest of his life
Speaker 1: trying to manifest this thing here through NASA. A lot
Speaker 1: of astronauts, you know, they have to pass a psychic test,
Speaker 1: and yeah, it kind of gets into this love crafting thing,
Speaker 1: which a lot of New AI guys. This d wave dude,
Speaker 1: he's saying that whenever you stand next to like an
Speaker 1: AI quantum computer thing, you can hear something almost sounds
Speaker 1: like a heartbeat. And he said, it's like you're standing
Speaker 1: in an altar for an alien like case, you know.
Speaker 1: And he says, it's not like aliens like like that
Speaker 1: want to help us, but it's like the kind that
Speaker 1: just really don't give a shit about it. They may
Speaker 1: not be aligned with our interests, you know. And this
Speaker 1: is the kind of technology that they're trying to introduce
Speaker 1: here where they they're like, listen, this thing there, it's
Speaker 1: going to be smarter than everybody. It may not even
Speaker 1: align with your interests, and they're trying to sell us
Speaker 1: AI that it's going to help us. But literally, the
Speaker 1: people making this are telling us that, look, this is
Speaker 1: going to be something that is going to be something
Speaker 1: you can't even comprehend. It's going to be so smart
Speaker 1: that it's going to be like a god that really
Speaker 1: you're so miniscule to it, it doesn't care. And the
Speaker 1: way that ties in is just with the other guys
Speaker 1: is the fact that all of them are into this.
Speaker 1: Where accelerationism comes from is cosmicism, and cosmicism is the
Speaker 1: idea that there are there always have been ancient entities
Speaker 1: that are way smarter than us in other realms, and
Speaker 1: we may contact them or you know, try to get
Speaker 1: them to do something for us, but like a demon.
Speaker 1: You know, back in the day, they would always talk
Speaker 1: about contacting demons or gods or whatever and getting information
Speaker 1: from them. That's kind of what I'm getting at, is
Speaker 1: that it's a mixture of that. But what they're saying
Speaker 1: is that humans don't mean anything, and that really humans
Speaker 1: job is just to create this entity that is smarter
Speaker 1: than us, which is AI, and then after that, you know,
Speaker 1: we can merge with it, or you know, we won't
Speaker 1: even be humans anymore. So the whole purpose of humans
Speaker 1: is to not become humans, but to create a new
Speaker 1: entity that's you know, unlimited in power and you know intelligence.
Speaker 1: This is literally what they're trying to do. I mean,
Speaker 1: that is the most outrageous thing. It was very hard
Speaker 1: for me to lay this out in a way that
Speaker 1: makes sense, because you got guys that are doing ritual magic,
Speaker 1: but then they're also involved with nuclear fission and energy
Speaker 1: and you know, propulsion systems, and then that the same
Speaker 1: people that probably are creating like this underground UFO, you
Speaker 1: know civilization that you know we're seeing pop up here
Speaker 1: and there, breakaway civilization technologies, and these are the same
Speaker 1: people that are probably practicing all that. And what they're
Speaker 1: trying to do is sell us this idea that hey,
Speaker 1: we're going going to give you a tool that can
Speaker 1: help you, which is AI. But really, as you hear
Speaker 1: them really talk about it, they're just trying to create
Speaker 1: a whole new entity that will run everything. But yeah,
Speaker 1: cosmicism is a utopian techno immortality. So anyway, it's pretty
Speaker 1: much humanity is building a god machine dost to escape death,
Speaker 1: only to awake something older, bigger, and deeply uninterested in
Speaker 1: our survival. And that's kind of exactly what I'm getting at.
Speaker 1: It's just this idea that you know, because if you
Speaker 1: think about it, we don't look at ants like they're important. Right,
Speaker 1: God that's super smart wouldn't look at us like we're important.
Speaker 1: And I understand what they're saying and how they think.
Speaker 1: I just wonder, why why are you so beholden to
Speaker 1: one an entity that's not even sentient, that you're trying
Speaker 1: to create that you want to take over humans? I mean,
Speaker 1: why are you so anti human? It's what I'm trying
Speaker 1: to say. What's the deal with anti humanism today? You know?
Speaker 4: I kind of I kind of feel like the problem
Speaker 4: with they see the problem with humans as you know,
Speaker 4: they see humans as leeches. You know, the more people
Speaker 4: there are on this planet, the more resources of being
Speaker 4: used and taken up. And I would imagine the mindset
Speaker 4: of like a really wealthy billionaires. They want all the
Speaker 4: resources for themselves and their offspring and you know things
Speaker 4: like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're like, oh it's too overpopulated.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the population control type thing.
Speaker 1: And we're just using all the resources. So how about
Speaker 1: we just confine them to the people that are worthy?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly pole it's worthy though.
Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing them because they're part of this
Speaker 1: idea that, like I've said before, they're in this society
Speaker 1: where they believe that one it's always scientists. It's always
Speaker 1: people that are super smart psychologists who think that they
Speaker 1: understand the mind in you and reality way better than
Speaker 1: you understand it, and that makes them above you. And
Speaker 1: that's kind of this weird concept that gets right into
Speaker 1: how the Freemasons look at everything. Before even science, a
Speaker 1: lot of Freemasons were also scientists. But before even science,
Speaker 1: you had Freemasons who were high in the mind in
Speaker 1: their ideas, where all it was was philosophers back then.
Speaker 1: But because they could think above everybody else, they were like, look,
Speaker 1: everybody else are just sheep that are meant to be
Speaker 1: led to slaughter because they choose not to use their brain,
Speaker 1: and because we use our brain, we're therefore above them.
Speaker 1: And then extrapolate to now, it's the same thing with
Speaker 1: people that are running Silicon Valley. You know, they view
Speaker 1: it the same way. They're like, well, we're superior. Everybody
Speaker 1: else is just consumer ants that just really suck everything dry.
Speaker 1: And that's kind of what they've turned America into through
Speaker 1: their own corporations, Which is the irony of it is
Speaker 1: you're the ones marketing and doing the sales and building
Speaker 1: the corporations because you want to create technology to make
Speaker 1: things better. But then the same token, you're turning around
Speaker 1: and saying, we're the only ones worthy really of the
Speaker 1: betterment of everything, you know what I mean, very uh,
Speaker 1: They're gonna use us to build it up, right, and
Speaker 1: then after that it's theirs. That's kind of what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It's it's very smart when you think about it. It's like,
Speaker 1: I'll use the consumers to build it. There's nothing but
Speaker 1: ants and leeches and cheap that don't think. And then
Speaker 1: by the time everything's built up, you know, whatever, what
Speaker 1: are they gonna do. They'll fucking have like some kind
Speaker 1: of cataclysm that they cause. I doubt it, you know.
Speaker 1: So it's like, what is the real angle there?
Speaker 4: I don't know, but I don't I don't think it's
Speaker 4: so much the whole world. I think it's more so
Speaker 4: the Western world. And that's kind of interesting. Why is
Speaker 4: it such a focus on the Western world, you know,
Speaker 4: a sense of a you know, hyper consumerism, especially here
Speaker 4: in the United States. You know, like it's like we're
Speaker 4: conditioned to always be buying something consuming consuming, not even
Speaker 4: not not just food and you know, the essentials, but
Speaker 4: you know, like gaming consoles and computers and tablets and
Speaker 4: you know, stuff that we really don't need.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I guess you know that goes back to
Speaker 1: the Bush Air whenever they kind of started transferring over
Speaker 1: all the jobs to China to develop things for us.
Speaker 1: But I mean, America's GDP above every other country by milestones,
Speaker 1: and so we have so much money, you know, our
Speaker 1: dollars worth so much more that a regular person working
Speaker 1: a regular job can afford that console, right that somebody
Speaker 1: else in another country could not, right, not at all.
Speaker 1: And so the fact that our money gets us a
Speaker 1: lot farther turned us naturally into that. But then that
Speaker 1: mixed with moving the jobs away from us, Yeah, it
Speaker 1: does cripple us into this. That's all we have going
Speaker 1: for us now. And that's kind of why it's why
Speaker 1: we're so vulnerable to this new thing coming in, which
Speaker 1: is this idea of like a techno capitalism, which is
Speaker 1: kind of something I rushed over earlier, but it's this
Speaker 1: idea that Land had in his essays with the CCRU,
Speaker 1: and essentially the core of it was the blueprint is accelerationism, really,
Speaker 1: which is a cybernetic occultism techno love crafting philosophy, which
Speaker 1: is what I kind of brushed on a minute ago.
Speaker 1: We'll get into it more in the hyperstition theory, but
Speaker 1: essentially he was obsessed with how capitalism, AI and techno
Speaker 1: culture are not tools controlled by humanity, but living entities
Speaker 1: that are devouring it. And so essentially we're going to
Speaker 1: be devoured by our own capitalistic consumer exactly what we're
Speaker 1: getting into. And the weird part is that they just
Speaker 1: look at everything as like alive and like already like
Speaker 1: essentially they look at it as inevitable, you know, and
Speaker 1: that's what they mean by a lot.
Speaker 4: So because I was talking with somebody about this a
Speaker 4: couple of weeks ago, you know, like the iotis the
Speaker 4: Internet of things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, you know, and it's like that's at the point.
Speaker 4: Yet everything almost everything has an IP address now, you know,
Speaker 4: even like light bul have an IP address.
Speaker 1: Now like this sould Yeah, everything's connected, yeah, man, And
Speaker 1: then that makes with the cybernetics. What is the point
Speaker 1: of cybernetics to figure out how they can put that
Speaker 1: into your biology and make that work? And then how
Speaker 1: does your brain react to them doing that? How does
Speaker 1: your brain react to those different It all connects with that,
Speaker 1: and their idea is instead of resisting it, humanity shared
Speaker 1: to accelerate its process to their inevitable conclusion, the end
Speaker 1: of humanity as we know it and the rise of
Speaker 1: inhuman mechanic intelligence. And that's exactly what they want. But yeah,
Speaker 1: so I just think that, you know, it's it's uh
Speaker 1: something we definitely got to avoid. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: CBDCs are never going to be a good thing. Just
Speaker 1: for that reason. I use cash as much as I
Speaker 1: can because I understand that that's the the only buffer
Speaker 1: between this system only being live is probably like you said,
Speaker 1: the money part mark toilets, mark toilet.
Speaker 2: That's crazy smart toilets.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but is that? I mean, of course that's like
Speaker 1: not everybody has smart toilets.
Speaker 2: Now, they had those in Japan, they did have those.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, you know Japan does have smart toilets. They
Speaker 1: like talk to you, don't they.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it was like it was warm to set
Speaker 2: up for you.
Speaker 1: And I think that they're really smart though, because they
Speaker 1: use the sink when you wash your hands to flush
Speaker 1: the toilet so the water doesn't get wasted. So the
Speaker 1: sink water is like the plumbing like it feeds the toilet.
Speaker 1: That's very smart.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it'sourceful.
Speaker 1: Japanese know how they're doing.
Speaker 2: Now, what do you what about a cryptocurrency? What do
Speaker 2: you think about that?
Speaker 1: No, that's exactly what I'm saying. I think we can
Speaker 1: stay away from I understand though that fiat currency has
Speaker 1: led us to a point where, you know, it's kind
Speaker 1: of a we need some kind of out, But I
Speaker 1: don't think that's going to be. It's not the out
Speaker 1: that it was sold to be.
Speaker 2: It's not the end all be all to.
Speaker 1: The no because I think maybe at one point it
Speaker 1: was a decentralized possibly, but I really think that just
Speaker 1: like Facebook, it was probably a darker created system because
Speaker 1: this is something they wanted for a long time. I
Speaker 1: mean back in the nineties. There's a documentary it's called
Speaker 1: Millennium two thousand and it is very very hard to find,
Speaker 1: but if you can find, it's online and there's a
Speaker 1: memory hold it which is where they just put a
Speaker 1: bunch of other things that are called something similar the
Speaker 1: same thing. But it's a nineteen ninety four interview documentary
Speaker 1: and maybe you can find it. But anyways, in this
Speaker 1: they literally talk about how they want cryptocurrency. Back in
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety four, they were talking about how they want
Speaker 1: digital currency set what they can control everybody. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is not a new thing, but now we have
Speaker 1: the technology for it, and now we're living in the
Speaker 1: age where it really is happening. And the funny part
Speaker 1: is I always remember people saying, like all they've been
Speaker 1: saying the world's gonna end for a long time. It's
Speaker 1: like yeah, but like I feel like they started to
Speaker 1: say it about whenever the plan started, because somebody got
Speaker 1: wind of it, and they've been saying it and saying it,
Speaker 1: saying it every step of the way, and you're just
Speaker 1: saying it is like, look, everything's fine right now, but
Speaker 1: it's now we're at the last step or two, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, And now it's like really kind
Speaker 1: of at that point, you know what I mean. It's the
Speaker 1: boiler crib wolf situation.
Speaker 4: And you know, I think maybe that was done on purpose,
Speaker 4: you know, get the like the more you're exposed to something,
Speaker 4: the more you get desensitized to it. So, like, like
Speaker 4: you said, we're in the final steps and this is
Speaker 4: probably right in our face, and we either we don't
Speaker 4: know or we don't care enough to do anything about it.
Speaker 1: No, exactly, And earlier whenever, we're gonna segue back to
Speaker 1: the hyperstition topic real quick, just because earlier I did
Speaker 1: mention on a different show, uh about memes, where I
Speaker 1: mentioned how like modern memes are kind of like the
Speaker 1: same thing. You know, they send down a meme, it
Speaker 1: gives out this kind of concept and then everybody picks
Speaker 1: on that exact thought. Now you know, it's like a
Speaker 1: viral narrative, is what I'm kind of saying, reshaping reality.
Speaker 1: And so this is kind of a digital kind of
Speaker 1: example of a hyperstition. And I always call it like
Speaker 1: black magic meme kind of situation or whatever. But that's yeah,
Speaker 1: self fulfilling prophecy is what it is. But yeah, it's, oh,
Speaker 1: I like that a narrative virus that infects culture and reality.
Speaker 1: And that's essentially what memes are. That's literally what they're
Speaker 1: use them for. And then everybody knows the Spider Man
Speaker 1: meme where they're all pointing at each other, right, right,
Speaker 1: So it's something simple like that. An image like that
Speaker 1: can really imprint in your brain. And dude, it is
Speaker 1: genius because it seems so innocent. But whenever you you know,
Speaker 1: extrapolate from there, I mean, yeah, when.
Speaker 4: It was like and it's kind of weird because like
Speaker 4: it's become a form of communication to you know, like
Speaker 4: you could just like trade memes back and forth without
Speaker 4: saying words, and like it's like you having a conversation
Speaker 4: without actually And.
Speaker 1: Then you mix that with the idea that like emojis
Speaker 1: all match like the sigils out of like Aleister Crowley's
Speaker 1: old you know books, where each each schigule would like
Speaker 1: summon you know, help you summon a demon, and and
Speaker 1: then each emoji kind of matches it. So like you
Speaker 1: have little things like that where it all really goes together.
Speaker 1: And I mean, yeah, man, I think that you know,
Speaker 1: it goes back to like before magic was just kind
Speaker 1: of like science, right, I mean, it was the same thing,
Speaker 1: you know, and then it turned into where we started
Speaker 1: to materialize science. But now we're materialized science so much
Speaker 1: that I believe that we've just materialized magic. See what
Speaker 1: I'm saying to the point where now we're digitizing magic
Speaker 1: to a level that like we can't really come FROHMD
Speaker 1: because we don't think in magic magical terms if you
Speaker 1: were to think about it, instead of like chalk on
Speaker 1: the ground with pentagrams and candles, we have like circuit
Speaker 1: boards and like different you know, frequencies and things like
Speaker 1: that to match that same type of vibe. Is what
Speaker 1: I'm getting at. And I think that we every day
Speaker 1: are using little like black magic device.
Speaker 2: I kind of like the episode of Black Mirror I
Speaker 2: had mentioned. I think I mentioned, yes, yeah, they get
Speaker 2: into that before. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: I remember that. Yeah. No, but that's undred percent like
Speaker 1: kind of where we've been leading to. And I'm kind
Speaker 1: of pointing out that, like there's I mean, there's so
Speaker 1: many different you know, scenarios where they've kind of done it,
Speaker 1: and I'm trying to bring it all together. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean Parsons and l Ron Hubbard have started some
Speaker 1: pretty large organizations. NASA is huge, Scientology is huge, right,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? I mean these people were,
Speaker 1: but what were they into? You know? And then in
Speaker 1: celebrity like mainstream media, you'll see Alistair Crowley like symbolism
Speaker 1: or a little like there's a famous picture of him
Speaker 1: doing a certain thing with like his fist on his head,
Speaker 1: and you'll see certain people match that. That's you know, celebrities,
Speaker 1: and it's funny to me because it's just little nods
Speaker 1: to him, you know. And yeah, I think that they
Speaker 1: all secretly are into what he was into, which has
Speaker 1: a lot to do with like child sex magic. I mean,
Speaker 1: he was into weird shit led Zeppelin, the symbols that
Speaker 1: they got, the Sigils, same type of deal. And Jimmy
Speaker 1: Page actually bought Alistair Crowley's house and he was there.
Speaker 1: They did some wild shit there. I don't know exactly
Speaker 1: what went on, you know what I mean, but they
Speaker 1: were obviously into that type of stuff. You know, there's
Speaker 1: a documentary about it that I watched that laid it
Speaker 1: out pretty good. And then apparently Jimmy Page pissed off
Speaker 1: some other magical doer, and yeah, the whole band breaks up,
Speaker 1: the drummer dies, Robert Plant's daughter died like all around
Speaker 1: the same time. So it's pretty crazy that ended up
Speaker 1: going that that way. You know, show's dude, you don't
Speaker 1: want to fuck around with that shit.
Speaker 2: No, not at all.
Speaker 1: But yeah, let's see who Crowley has a cultural So
Speaker 1: David Bowie referenced Crowley by by name, used esoteric fashion
Speaker 1: and personas The Beatles probably appeared on Sergeant Pepper album
Speaker 1: cover Tool lyrics and visualize invoke Young Crowley and ritual transformation.
Speaker 1: Ozzy Osbourne wrote a song called mister Crowley. I mean,
Speaker 1: come on, man, jay Z, I knew that one. Rihanna
Speaker 1: often accused of using illuminati, you call imagery triangle hand signs, horace, eye,
Speaker 1: et cetera. But the horus eyes like all came from him.
Speaker 1: Do the one eye thing covering the one eye, like
Speaker 1: the whole, like the triangle over the mouth. You know,
Speaker 1: that's all that all comes from him. So it's very funny.
Speaker 4: But in a phrase that jay Z had on his
Speaker 4: on a shirt, want do what thou wilt?
Speaker 1: I think, yes, that's exactly what his Yeah, because Orto
Speaker 1: Sechlorum was the his organization he started, and yeah, I
Speaker 1: was do as Thou wilt, which is like I said,
Speaker 1: when it comes to like sex magic with children, I mean,
Speaker 1: this is crazy, you know when we're talking about that,
Speaker 1: you know, and Ellen and jay Z and all these
Speaker 1: people are into it, and then it gets in the
Speaker 1: pizza gate because like obviously they're onto some weird you know,
Speaker 1: And that's why it all does really actually connect, and
Speaker 1: it all is there's some truth underlying all these crazy
Speaker 1: stories that we see. We're trying to unmask that shit.
Speaker 1: But uh yeah, hold on, So anti Christian self divinization
Speaker 1: will centered philosophy, that's exactly what Alistair Crowley was into
Speaker 1: to do. As Thou wilt is kind of encompasses that.
Speaker 1: But Crowley's the ancestor of the influencer. He understood the
Speaker 1: occult power of branding, image and ritualized spectacle. We're talking
Speaker 1: six nine dude, I mean sixt' nine right like that
Speaker 1: to that level, Like he who started it, you know, Crowley,
Speaker 1: But what is six nine? What did he perfect? Virtually spectacle?
Speaker 1: I mean, that's one thing that six nine was the
Speaker 1: best at. You know, that's just first thing that comes
Speaker 1: to mind whenever I read that last thing. But yeah,
Speaker 1: you know there's a lot of very very like uh
Speaker 1: pop star become Oh yeah, yeah, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: uh right out in your face easter eggs as you
Speaker 1: call them, that you'll find about this stuff anyway. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're just looking at something in references. But yeah, dude,
Speaker 1: I've saw this one thing that talked about how Alistair
Speaker 1: Crowley could have been like one of the Bushes, like
Speaker 1: dad or something crazy, like he was British am I six,
Speaker 1: so like who knows, but because you can't really find
Speaker 1: out much about you know, but they were saying like
Speaker 1: Barbara Bush might have been his daughter. You know, who knows.
Speaker 1: But there's a crazy conspiracy theory that Aleister Crowley's daughter
Speaker 1: is Barbara Bush, which is crazy because then you have
Speaker 1: presidential like ties to him. Yeah, dude, you miss the
Speaker 1: last one. We were talking about Diddy Epstein and all
Speaker 1: the crazy shit. Obama Obama's face on the pills there.
Speaker 1: Did you see that, Mama Obamacare? Man? Yeah, we mentioned
Speaker 1: that last time that Obama's face was on these pills
Speaker 1: that they were taking there, and it just reminded me
Speaker 1: about that Chrissy Tiguan, you know, with the John legend
Speaker 1: and how she mentioned who threw the best parties. She
Speaker 1: mentioned Obama and then he was like, Yo, shut up,
Speaker 1: you didn't see that, dude, We'll have to pull that up.
Speaker 1: It was on the red carpet, you know what, the
Speaker 1: red carpet represents the bloodline. You ever thought about it
Speaker 1: that way? Red carpet, it's a red line. The blood
Speaker 1: lines are royalty. Back in the day, royalty would walk
Speaker 1: on red carpet. Why because the royal blood line only
Speaker 1: is allowed on the red carpet. Nowadays, celebrities are see
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Dude, that's some weird shit, you know,
Speaker 1: I think that. Yeah, there's just a lot of like
Speaker 1: esoteric with it, you know, things hidden within that are
Speaker 1: right in front of your face. But yeah, I saved
Speaker 1: a cool little little video about that, but I'll get it.
Speaker 1: Maybe we'll put that up or get into that next time.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so outside of that, we got into the
Speaker 1: accelerationism kind of the basis of that and what they're
Speaker 1: trying to get with get out of it. And that's
Speaker 1: pretty much this new AI generated AI Ran world. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't even know if humans are going to take
Speaker 1: a part in it, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: it's funny because, like, you know, you hear like Joe
Speaker 1: Rogan and them talk about and they're like, man like,
Speaker 1: when it becomes sentient singularity, all these things kind of
Speaker 1: like priming us for it. But I just think what
Speaker 1: they're priming us for and what we think is going
Speaker 1: to happen is just not going to be what we imagine.
Speaker 1: It's going to be a full on matrix scenario. And
Speaker 1: then you have people that come out, Okay, I have
Speaker 1: to get this out too. So the simulation theory concept
Speaker 1: is the idea that like, yeah, that we already live
Speaker 1: in a simulation and that it's already been made. I
Speaker 1: think that they're using the whole idea that we were
Speaker 1: already in a simulation just to kind of justify when
Speaker 1: they put put our ass into one, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. And it's like, look, we're already in a simulation.
Speaker 1: We're just going to make our own. You know. I
Speaker 1: don't understand why they're trying to make us think we're
Speaker 1: in a simulation so bad. I just that's the first
Speaker 1: thing that comes to my head is they're just going
Speaker 1: to put us in one because they already think we're
Speaker 1: in one. But yeah, did you find the Chrissy Tagan video?
Speaker 3: So they're answering a question the wildest place they did it?
Speaker 1: Oh, the wildest place that they did it?
Speaker 3: And she says probably the Obama thing, and he just
Speaker 3: said probably the all stunned.
Speaker 1: Probably the Obama thing. That's a wild thing to say,
Speaker 1: because what does that mean? Yeah, probably the Obama thing.
Speaker 1: I mean, who knows. I'm not going to implicate the
Speaker 1: guy in anything, so all legend, but I just think
Speaker 1: that that was That's just the first thing that came
Speaker 1: to my mind, because that was back whenever, I want
Speaker 1: to say, that was around COVID, whenever the Pizza Gate
Speaker 1: thing was coming out, So people tried to point at
Speaker 1: that video as a justification for the elites being involved
Speaker 1: with Pizza Gate. That's what they used. Yeah, that was
Speaker 1: the first thing that came to my mind. But uh, yeah, dude,
Speaker 1: I think that pretty much like I keep saying, I've
Speaker 1: been saying it for a while, They're just trying to
Speaker 1: hardwire black magic and like make it into like legitimate
Speaker 1: digitized mass manipulation. And yeah, I took a real roundabout
Speaker 1: way because I was trying to explain like where it
Speaker 1: came from with the whole Aleistair Crowley and the Babylon workings.
Speaker 1: One thing that came out of the Babylon workings with
Speaker 1: Jack Parsons and Hubbard was that they saw a woman
Speaker 1: apparently in their vision and this woman was riding on
Speaker 1: a like a big beast, and it was like a
Speaker 1: like a feline, like a lion. And Katy Perry she
Speaker 1: in that one. Was it a concert she was riding
Speaker 1: on a big beast, it was like a lion.
Speaker 3: Or at the halftime show, it was a super Bowl
Speaker 3: halftime show exactly.
Speaker 1: And the halftime show is a big ritual, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like, that's exactly what it is. It's
Speaker 1: a ritual done on mass It's probably the biggest ritual
Speaker 1: done in front of everybody. And there's always some kind
Speaker 1: of symbol there's always some kind of something every time.
Speaker 1: There's never not symbolism. But that one's weird because then
Speaker 1: you know, you take that and then you look at
Speaker 1: whenever she went up with the Jeff Bezos, you know,
Speaker 1: Blue Sky or whatever the hell is called. I don't
Speaker 1: really know what it's called, but where they took that
Speaker 1: they went and barely even got into orbit and came
Speaker 1: back down. But she said, I got in touch with
Speaker 1: the divine, feminine and goddess or whatever. And I think
Speaker 1: that she was referring to the same goddess that she
Speaker 1: was supposed to be representing on that line that these
Speaker 1: people saw in the Babylon working whenever they did it.
Speaker 1: Does that make sense? Yeah? So yeah. Uh. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of times that they'll re enact rituals or different
Speaker 1: things that they see on a mass kill, like at
Speaker 1: a concert or at a whatever. And one example is
Speaker 1: Beyonce whenever she iconically danced on that chair and it
Speaker 1: was backwards, you know, and it was like, I want
Speaker 1: to say, it was on a checkered floor, but the
Speaker 1: exact dance she did, the exact one. You can find
Speaker 1: a video of a free Masonic hall where they're all
Speaker 1: sitting and then there's a woman dancing right in front
Speaker 1: of him and she's like doing the exact dance that
Speaker 1: Beyonce did. So it's literally a free Masonic like a
Speaker 1: woman's like ritual dance that she does in front of them.
Speaker 1: And I thought that was It's crazy, dude, They're just
Speaker 1: putting a whole initiation ritual in front of you. So
Speaker 1: I love that. I love that because Mary could call
Speaker 1: it out and point it out. It's pretty pretty obvious
Speaker 1: at that point. But you know, sometimes I wonder, you know,
Speaker 1: if it's such a secret, then why show us, you know,
Speaker 1: give us little crumbs? Here and there, like you know,
Speaker 1: we're in the New Age. We're in the New Age.
Speaker 1: We're entering the Age of Aquarius now, and so that's
Speaker 1: the whole thing also that we get into. I'm sure
Speaker 1: everybody's heard of, like we're entering the New Age, right,
Speaker 1: this Age of Aquarius. Well, as this was starting in
Speaker 1: the early nineteen hundreds, you had people like Helena Belovatski,
Speaker 1: Manley p. Hall, people who are saying this has been
Speaker 1: kept in secret for the whole Age of Pisces for
Speaker 1: about a thousand years or so, and now it's time
Speaker 1: to bring it out. It's time to start talking about
Speaker 1: it again. So that's what I'm saying. When you look
Speaker 1: at the old cultures and what they did, and you
Speaker 1: look at ancient cultures, that's what they're trying to bring back.
Speaker 1: And that's why it matters, because what I'm pointing out
Speaker 1: is this new Age is just the same age reborn,
Speaker 1: and what it is is before the Age of Jesus
Speaker 1: or Pisces or whatever however you want to look at it,
Speaker 1: that age of like Christian doom and whatever is done
Speaker 1: and for the better or worse however you want to
Speaker 1: look at it, This new one's starting and they want
Speaker 1: to let that philosophy go again and let people hear
Speaker 1: it and see it and start implanting implanting it into
Speaker 1: their minds and start kind of rolling it out. And
Speaker 1: this started back at the World's Fair, Like I mentioned
Speaker 1: that one World's Fair episode in nineteen fifteen eighteen, This
Speaker 1: is where this first started. And now we're one hundred
Speaker 1: years later and now we're kind of fully into it,
Speaker 1: we're really rolling through it and starting like actually to
Speaker 1: see it come to fruition. And so yeah, dude, that's
Speaker 1: why I think that now they're doing it, whereas before
Speaker 1: it was hidden from the Catholic Church because think about
Speaker 1: the Crusades that went on and shit, that was a
Speaker 1: whole thousand years that they ruled. And then now that's done, right,
Speaker 1: the thousand year tribulation, just like in the Bible, but
Speaker 1: we're not talking about actual you know, Jesus isn't gonna
Speaker 1: come out of the sky, like, that's not what we're saying.
Speaker 1: But they do put some real shit in things like
Speaker 1: the Bible or whatever that you know, start to make
Speaker 1: sense later. But yeah, yeah, so I think that that's
Speaker 1: what we're looking at. Man, we're looking at that they're
Speaker 1: trying to start, they're trying to manifest their own future,
Speaker 1: and they're trying to accelerate it. And I say that,
Speaker 1: we say fuck that, and we don't go for it
Speaker 1: because I'm not about it. But yeah, so I don't know.
Speaker 1: I wonder sometimes if it's inevitable, just like they think,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, because it's been so well done.
Speaker 1: But yeah, pretty much we got automatic writing sessions that
Speaker 1: we're done while listening to jungle drum and bass and
Speaker 1: AI algorithm that were constructed with text fragments out of
Speaker 1: that and stuff that they started to kind of what
Speaker 1: the fuck they were channeling entities. I mean, yeah, they
Speaker 1: were into weird shit, so drum and base. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: would do that, and then they would try to like
Speaker 1: channel entities and they would create like a try to
Speaker 1: do AI algorithms. I mean, due they were trying to
Speaker 1: really mix in like this whole idea of like you know,
Speaker 1: we're mixing it all together like full on cyberpunk shit. Well.
Speaker 1: A big part of it, though, which is a big deal,
Speaker 1: is the time sorcery part of it. It's a because
Speaker 1: that's what gets me because remember how I always talking
Speaker 1: about like the cults of Saturn, the Black Cube, Yeah,
Speaker 1: time chronos.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, a lot of this stuff that they were into
Speaker 1: was practice time sorcery. They embedded theoretical narratives in the
Speaker 1: future oriented texts. So their idea was that we can
Speaker 1: mess with time and manifest something in the future by
Speaker 1: doing it now, is what they're saying. Rituals would involve
Speaker 1: meditative writing, recitation of resuscitation, performing theory fi in public settings,
Speaker 1: and treating academia itself as a magical platform. And then
Speaker 1: they practiced manipulating time. I guess with a with that
Speaker 1: weird shit. I don't know. I think it's all bullshit,
Speaker 1: to be honest, I do. I think all that is
Speaker 1: like they're just playing with some wu wu dumb shit,
Speaker 1: you know. But I don't know. It gets weird whenever
Speaker 1: I ask AI about my family and it can perfectly
Speaker 1: tell me exactly what my grandma was like and that
Speaker 1: she was probably a nun and all this shit, And
Speaker 1: I'm like, how does it know this about me? I mean,
Speaker 1: I really don't understand. So like we're almost at the
Speaker 1: level of like oracle, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: it can really tell you exactly what you're like it
Speaker 1: understands like exactly who you are. So I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: whenever you're talking to your Snapchat AI or rock or
Speaker 1: chat GBT, it's it literally as soon as you start
Speaker 1: talking to it, maybe for a day or two, just
Speaker 1: by how you say things, how you word things, how
Speaker 1: you think, it's already in there. It's in there, right.
Speaker 1: It knows everything about you in the way you were things.
Speaker 1: It can even imply like whether you had mommy issues,
Speaker 1: Like it just knows.
Speaker 2: I feel like this opening the door for predictive policing.
Speaker 1: Oh one hundred percent. That's the point of Palentteer, which
Speaker 1: I thought it was funny because I heard Sean Ryan.
Speaker 1: We brought him up last time. I heard TRM. Ryan
Speaker 1: mention like, uh, how he had the guy that owned
Speaker 1: Palentz here on. He doesn't understand what's wrong with that.
Speaker 1: He's like, I think the technology's good. You know that
Speaker 1: we're using for the military, but it's like, no, Palatiners
Speaker 1: not using I mean, maybe they're using technology for the military,
Speaker 1: but they've been secretively using it over in America on
Speaker 1: people for predictive policing purposes. And I think that maybe
Speaker 1: he just didn't know about that, but I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he should know about that, because the predicted policing is
Speaker 1: why people think that he shouldn't have had that guy on,
Speaker 1: you know, or at least he should have pushed for
Speaker 1: about that and asked him about it. But yeah, that
Speaker 1: shit's nuts because yeah, in Chicago, what did we say
Speaker 1: last week? Chicago and California, I think they were doing
Speaker 1: like secretive predicted policing and arresting people before they did
Speaker 1: things without even them knowing that they were doing it.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised.
Speaker 1: Yeah this is very recently. Yeah, yeah, that's the point
Speaker 1: of palant here, And that's the point of these ais. Dude,
Speaker 1: they can they're at the level where they really understand,
Speaker 1: Like I don't talk to these things about myself, however,
Speaker 1: but how can it predict like it told me exactly
Speaker 1: like if I was to ever describe my dad, it
Speaker 1: told me everything about my dad exactly how I describe it.
Speaker 1: And I've never talked to it about my dad, And
Speaker 1: I mean, as far as I know, it doesn't listen
Speaker 1: to anything outside of what I'm talking about. So that's
Speaker 1: my point. And that was kind of a something to
Speaker 1: kind of prove that Hey, we're already at that level
Speaker 1: where it's on like oracle psychic kind of level, and
Speaker 1: so it only is going to go up from there
Speaker 1: to the level of like godlike you know, And that's
Speaker 1: the plan. So as much as this might be weird
Speaker 1: woo woo, crazy shit that they were into, which probably
Speaker 1: wasn't even real and they were just being weirdos, uh,
Speaker 1: they still understood some kind of technology that clearly is
Speaker 1: doing some shit that works. That's all I'm trying to say.
Speaker 3: There's the ones in Los Angeles and Chicago. Both programs
Speaker 3: were shut down in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: But they weren't telling them that they were doing it
Speaker 1: in the first place. So how do you know that
Speaker 1: they ended?
Speaker 3: Well, it's controversy was a high false positive rate positive
Speaker 3: accusations of racial bias, lack of transparency, but.
Speaker 1: They didn't tell them in the beginning, lack of transparency
Speaker 1: right there. They didn't tell them and so they had
Speaker 1: to take it down. But yeah, they were still doing
Speaker 1: it without telling people.
Speaker 3: And a pretty cool name though for the LA one
Speaker 3: operation laser awesome.
Speaker 1: Isn't the lasers what they're using for the fires right now?
Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. I just saying, but uh, yeah, whatever.
Speaker 1: But yeah, man, so I think that they came a
Speaker 1: long way. I think that they really have learned how
Speaker 1: to take this crazy shit that nobody's really that into,
Speaker 1: the black magic, weird shit and actually make it, whether
Speaker 1: you believe in it or not, make it something that
Speaker 1: we operate with every day. And yeah, that's kind of
Speaker 1: the point of the accelerationism and what these guys are into. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was a little bit of a hard deep dive
Speaker 1: on that stuff. Hopefully it came across coherent and hopefully
Speaker 1: you can see what we're talking about, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, where this is coming through in your life
Speaker 1: where maybe you could see it.
Speaker 3: In New Orleans, they did it with Palateer partnered with
Speaker 3: Paleteers Technologies to implement predictive models without public disclosure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's wild.
Speaker 3: It was only revealed years later.
Speaker 1: That's why it was Yeah, they waited. Yeah that's crazy, man,
Speaker 1: But hey, what can we do but just call it
Speaker 1: out while it's going. But yeah, so there's been some
Speaker 1: weird you could go look at the weird essays and
Speaker 1: crazy shit that Nick Land wrote. We won't get into that,
Speaker 1: but it's been nice little deep dive into that. I
Speaker 1: guess we'll get into something a little different. I was
Speaker 1: kind of you, guys, remember Snowden.
Speaker 2: Right sounds familiar?
Speaker 1: No way you're saying it sounds familiar right now? Holy shit.
Speaker 1: Edward Snowdens Okay, Edward Snowden. He was in twenty thirteen.
Speaker 1: He was a whistleblower, but he worked for the NSA
Speaker 1: as a NSA as a employee, and he leaked a
Speaker 1: bunch of highly classified documents to journalists Glenn Greenwald, Bartin Gellman,
Speaker 1: a few others, And these leaks pulled the curtain back
Speaker 1: on all this surveillance stuff that was going on without
Speaker 1: people knowing, invasive, expansive like email calls, everything else on
Speaker 1: the American people without the Okay, okay, yes, this was
Speaker 1: after nine to eleven and was getting through PRISM. And
Speaker 1: PRISM was the surveillance program allowing the NSA to directly
Speaker 1: access user data from like major tech companies like Google, Facebook, Apple,
Speaker 1: and Microsoft. Data included the email like I said, video chats, photos,
Speaker 1: storage files, connection logs. Now, all the surveillance could have
Speaker 1: been done under the guise of like, you know, terrorism,
Speaker 1: domess whatever, because that was kind of the whole point
Speaker 1: of the Patriot Act. But now that we know how
Speaker 1: the future is kind of unfolded. What the reason why
Speaker 1: I'm bringing up this noted thing is the whole idea
Speaker 1: of the data tracking and collecting has been going back
Speaker 1: all the way to them. You know, it wasn't really
Speaker 1: just the watch what you do. But whenever you're like,
Speaker 1: I don't care if they look at what I'm doing,
Speaker 1: it's not about them looking what you're doing, and they're
Speaker 1: building a brain that's going to literally take over the
Speaker 1: fucking world. It's it's so they've been pushing this surveillance thing.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's the surveillance thing. I think it's
Speaker 1: the data applications and the behavior application and the studying
Speaker 1: of the that's the point of the surveillance. It has
Speaker 1: nothing to do with watching what you're doing.
Speaker 4: And it's like we were literally give given it permission
Speaker 4: because most times when you go into a website, you
Speaker 4: got to allow cookies.
Speaker 1: YEP.
Speaker 2: A lot of people ignored it. They don't know what
Speaker 2: it is.
Speaker 1: And you want to see whatever it is you want
Speaker 1: to see.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and allow cookies is you're giving it permission to
Speaker 4: data on you.
Speaker 1: Exactly you signed your rights away just right. The same
Speaker 1: thing with like you know, birth certificate YadA YadA.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just like the Facebook, like it builds the ass
Speaker 4: that you see.
Speaker 1: Exactly, you know, they let you. Yeah. So x Keyscore
Speaker 1: was another one that they used back then now we're
Speaker 1: talking like back in like two thousand and one, right.
Speaker 1: It was literally a search engine that the NSA had
Speaker 1: that they could just access emails, online chats, browsing history,
Speaker 1: social media activity and metadata without prior authorization. So essentially,
Speaker 1: if like if you typed it, clicked it, streamed it,
Speaker 1: they could just see it, just look it up. I
Speaker 1: didn't know that it was on that level of like
Speaker 1: yeah really tapping in ye, But yeah, so the undersea cables,
Speaker 1: fiber optic lines and everything they were literally tapped in
Speaker 1: directly into that. So everything that went everywhere they could
Speaker 1: get into. But they worked in partnership with telecom giants
Speaker 1: like AT and T and Verizon. Yeah, so they were
Speaker 1: just the eyes and ears of the NSA. But yeah,
Speaker 1: so apparently he leaks students leaked to confirmed the Five
Speaker 1: Eyes Alliance, which is US, UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand,
Speaker 1: and it's extended surveillance partnership the Nine Eyes or fourteen Eyes.
Speaker 1: So I guess there's more and what shared intelligence jointly
Speaker 1: conducted espionage against both foreign governments and their own citizens.
Speaker 1: They're out here just working with other countries spying on
Speaker 1: each other's country, like just full on sharing everything.
Speaker 4: So what you're saying is the United States citizens aren't
Speaker 4: only being inspired on by possibly the United States, but
Speaker 4: other countries as well.
Speaker 1: Other countries as well, and also sharing anything like if
Speaker 1: you know anybody in other country, you're sharing everything that
Speaker 1: you made know with other people anywhere. Everything's they're not
Speaker 1: missing a beat. But yeah, pretty much. He he revealed
Speaker 1: that the NSA was collecting metadata on virtually all phone
Speaker 1: calls in the US, numbers, dialed calls, caul durations, times,
Speaker 1: and location, and I was justified under the Patriot Act
Speaker 1: section two fifteen, though its legality was later challenged and
Speaker 1: partially rolled back. So yeah, I mean they were just dude,
Speaker 1: these motherfuckers in the NSA just get in deep. But yeah,
Speaker 1: they're not spying on just terrorists, but also foreign allies,
Speaker 1: heads of state corporations, oil deals, diplomatic negotiations, so pretty
Speaker 1: much since they want to control the resources they want
Speaker 1: to control other people's countries. They want to control other
Speaker 1: you know, leaders. They need to know every little deal
Speaker 1: going on so they can intercept any deals they need to,
Speaker 1: or use deals for leverage, kind of like Trump does
Speaker 1: very well. Right, This is literally what they'd use. It's
Speaker 1: that they have the upper hand, which is cool when
Speaker 1: you're talking about like geopolitical stuff, but like we said,
Speaker 1: there's obviously danger to it with the data collection and everything.
Speaker 1: It leads to I wonder if he exposed anything as
Speaker 1: far as digital technocracies. I mean, it does hint at
Speaker 1: the coming digital technocracy with the idea of total population
Speaker 1: control through data predictive policing, which we talked about in
Speaker 1: AI driven surveillance systems, which is kind of like this
Speaker 1: was building up the Palenteer, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like this was the first Palenteer before it was Palenteer,
Speaker 1: and so now we have like a whole private company
Speaker 1: that does it out in the open. But yeah, military
Speaker 1: intelligence and its fusion with big tech was confirmed with Snowden.
Speaker 1: That's kind of what I'm kind of trying to get at,
Speaker 1: and the reason why I brought it up kind of
Speaker 1: ties into everything we're talking about. The military, the tech
Speaker 1: guys are all working together with the NSA. It's all
Speaker 1: one big umbrella. And it's funny because whenever it gets
Speaker 1: back to like us getting flagged and the idea of
Speaker 1: like freedom of speech, right, Well, these are private companies,
Speaker 1: that's everybody's argument. It's a private company, and you sign
Speaker 1: the user agreement whenever you get on it. But if
Speaker 1: you know that this private company is working hand in
Speaker 1: hand with your government, then when does it become something
Speaker 1: that should be looked at and as not a private
Speaker 1: company anymore? Do you know what I'm saying. So now
Speaker 1: we need to like relook at this because fascism is
Speaker 1: already happening. So me having me wanting the government to
Speaker 1: go ahead and make their policies change, that would be fascism.
Speaker 1: But the thing is they're already doing fascist things, so
Speaker 1: you might as well just go ahead and be like, hey,
Speaker 1: regulate them and make sure that they're not doing what
Speaker 1: they're doing. But then you got to trust the exact
Speaker 1: government that they're working with to do that. So it's
Speaker 1: very weird debacle that they've created a perfect little system
Speaker 1: of plausible deniability through private companies to where they can
Speaker 1: spy on you and collect your data. But the government
Speaker 1: is plausibly deniable because it's not them, it's people like
Speaker 1: Mark Zuckerberg. But like we talked about in the other episode,
Speaker 1: that Sims wasn't on Mark Zuckerberg. Facebook started the day
Speaker 1: that lifelog went down for DARPA. The DARPA had a
Speaker 1: data collection, like we want to track and know everything
Speaker 1: about a person. And then the day it went down
Speaker 1: the day Facebook went up for free. Why do we
Speaker 1: get free platforms?
Speaker 4: Because when when you have a free when I forgot,
Speaker 4: how I go? But when you get something for free, you.
Speaker 2: Are the product exactly.
Speaker 1: That's exactly why. Because you are the product, not the
Speaker 1: consumer in this situation, and we're so used to being
Speaker 1: the consumers all the time if we think, hey man,
Speaker 1: something free, let's go, because it's that consumer is a mentality,
Speaker 1: Like we talked about before. It's so funny, this whole
Speaker 1: episode has been wrapping into one nice, perfect circle because
Speaker 1: really it is just all this is the core of it,
Speaker 1: you know, But yeah, it's pretty nut. So I think
Speaker 1: that snoed Man, he was like him and Julian Assange
Speaker 1: were like the last people to come out and really
Speaker 1: like try to tell us stuff. Julian is not engended
Speaker 1: up in like Guantanamo Bay for a long time, like
Speaker 1: his whole life for what he brought out. And I
Speaker 1: forgot what exactly he brought out. You should look that
Speaker 1: up for a minute too while we're talking about this.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, look up Julian Assange. And then yeah, whistleblower.
Speaker 1: But yeah, see this is all like during like Obama
Speaker 1: when he's telling everybody that whistleblowers are safe with him
Speaker 1: and this is an administration that supports whistleblowers. And then
Speaker 1: you know, this is the era of Snowding having to
Speaker 1: run away to Russia because he was being chased down
Speaker 1: by the government for whistleblowing. Julian Assange gets put in
Speaker 1: Guantanamo Bay for whistle blowing. I mean these people he
Speaker 1: literally lied, is my point. Obama comes out and says
Speaker 1: this is a safe haven and then does the opposite,
Speaker 1: you know, M make that a little bigger so I
Speaker 1: could see that good. Oh yeah, he was the Wiki
Speaker 1: League guy. Okay, okay, okay, okay, I remember now, and
Speaker 1: the Wiki League stuff. You know that that was full
Speaker 1: of all kinds of stuff. I mean, you couldn't even
Speaker 1: encompass it all on this show. We would probably have
Speaker 1: to do a Wiki Leaps episode just on its own,
Speaker 1: because I mean we're talking Hillary Clinton emails. Guy on
Speaker 1: the wiki leaks a lot of things going on the
Speaker 1: wiki leagues, you know. Yeah, how about the Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to get into the Clintons
Speaker 1: right now, but we could talk about that all day. Well,
Speaker 1: I will say one thing. Did you know JFK. Junior
Speaker 1: was running against Hillary Clinton as a Senate in nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety nine and she was his rival, and then his
Speaker 1: plane went down in the same neighborhood that Obama has
Speaker 1: a house in. Now I forgot what it was called.
Speaker 1: Where's he got a house? Oh, it's called like Martha's vineyard.
Speaker 1: It went down to Martha's vineyard. And that's like I
Speaker 1: don't know where all the politicians, you know, live and shit.
Speaker 1: But yeah, very weird. You know, I may have been
Speaker 1: one of her first on the body count. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I mean allegedly, I don't know. I have no idea.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying shit, you know, what do I know?
Speaker 1: And I do want to say, you know that there's
Speaker 1: no part of us that are violent. There's no part
Speaker 1: of us that are hateful, and there's no part of
Speaker 1: us that ever want anybody to commit any extremist acts
Speaker 1: of any kind. And I want to get that out there,
Speaker 1: you know, because for some reason, the things we talk
Speaker 1: about leads people to think that. And by people, I
Speaker 1: mean like you know, the tech regulators, you know. So
Speaker 1: I like to get that out there, you know that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we talked about crazy shit, but we're pretty happy and peaceful.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 3: Jillion as Sons in twenty twelve saw asylum in the
Speaker 3: Ecuadorian embassy in London to avoid extradition to Sweden over
Speaker 3: a sexual assault allegations later dropped a feard extradition to
Speaker 3: the US, where he faces charges under the Espionaja Act
Speaker 3: or publishing claisified material. He was arrested in twenty nineteen
Speaker 3: after Ecuador revoked asylum. He's currently fighting extradition to the
Speaker 3: US from a UK prison.
Speaker 1: So he did the same thing that Snowdon did in
Speaker 1: he just released classified material.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, and then Snowden is actually a citizen of Russia.
Speaker 1: Now, yes he is. Yeah, dude, Putin came through for him.
Speaker 1: He would have been screwed, but yeah, pretty much. A
Speaker 1: video from two thousand and seven showing a US Apache
Speaker 1: helicopter gunship in Baghdad indiscriminately gunned down a group of people,
Speaker 1: including two Ruters journalists. That is one of the things
Speaker 1: that he released. A van attempted to rescue a wounded
Speaker 1: man too, was fired upon killing a father and injuring
Speaker 1: his child. Yeah, I mean he was pretty much just
Speaker 1: posting like the fact that a lot of war crimes
Speaker 1: that we were involved in. But yeah, Iraqi war logs
Speaker 1: fifteen thousand previously unreported civilian deaths confirmed the systematic torture
Speaker 1: of detainees by Iraqi forces with the US complicity. Man, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he really, He's like, I'm about to air out everything
Speaker 1: that from twenty four to twenty ten, he released civilians
Speaker 1: killing killings covered up by NATO forces Covert Task Force
Speaker 1: three seventy three, a secret US assassination squad targeting individuals
Speaker 1: on a kill list, and the role of Pakistani intelligence
Speaker 1: supporting the Taliban. Damn. Yeah, there's a lot more Guantanamo
Speaker 1: files detainees held there. I think that, Yeah, because that
Speaker 1: was the whole thing with the Hillary Clinton and Benghazi, right,
Speaker 1: was that he kind of she had something to do
Speaker 1: with our troops or something, some kind of complicity, and
Speaker 1: he had aired that out and that was a big deal.
Speaker 1: But dude, I mean, we could do one just off
Speaker 1: what Julia nissang led out. I mean, he had let
Speaker 1: out so many things it's insane. And uh, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: why they didn't let him out for a long time.
Speaker 1: But who knows, you know, could have just been made
Speaker 1: into a martyr, you know, on purpose. I don't know
Speaker 1: what the point of that would have been, though, but yeah,
Speaker 1: pretty much you know what happens whenever you're a journalists
Speaker 1: and you've got something to say about some people, you know,
Speaker 1: you car might get controlled by the satellites. Who knows,
Speaker 1: you know. But yeah, and then I do want to
Speaker 1: I didn't want to forget about the iron or the
Speaker 1: Golden dome that they're proposing while we're here. The big
Speaker 1: beautiful bill. You guys know what's in that mm hmmm. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So that's Trump's bill that you may have heard of.
Speaker 1: Pieces of it about like thirty two hour work week
Speaker 1: that will be over time over thirty two hours, and
Speaker 1: then no tax on tips or overtime. Yeah, those are
Speaker 1: only going to go to when he's done being president.
Speaker 1: But but Here's why that matters though, And the same
Speaker 1: bill is money that's going to go towards well money
Speaker 1: that first of all, the trillion dollars that they're gonna
Speaker 1: take from welfare and food stamps, which is what we
Speaker 1: talked about last week as well, with the Ben from
Speaker 1: Ben and Jerry getting thrown out because he was saying
Speaker 1: that they're taking money from welfare and food stamps and
Speaker 1: giving it to the military, you know, guys and guys
Speaker 1: or whatever they're like support this genocide. Well, they just
Speaker 1: gave the you know, Pentagon a trillion dollar budget this
Speaker 1: year and then they're cutting that trillion dollars from this
Speaker 1: kind of makes sense why he said that. I agree
Speaker 1: with him. Then on top of that, they want to
Speaker 1: take one hundred and eighty seven billion and put it
Speaker 1: towards this Golden Dome, which is just like Israel has
Speaker 1: the Iron Dome with the sensors they'll stop missiles from
Speaker 1: coming in. What the fuck? You know what I mean,
Speaker 1: You're gonna give us some temporary play Kacherie bullshit about
Speaker 1: thirty two hour work weeks and no tax on tips
Speaker 1: for three years and then we go back to everything
Speaker 1: being normal. But you've already spent all that money in
Speaker 1: the military, right right, all that money's already gone though,
Speaker 1: right right. So that's what I'm saying, bro, like, wow, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, nobody looks at it that way. Nobody really
Speaker 1: looks at it that way. So it's like they just
Speaker 1: see these talking points in the bill of like, oh,
Speaker 1: thirty two hour work week, that's cool, and then it
Speaker 1: just don't really you know, are you making it enough
Speaker 1: to only work thirty two hours because you think your
Speaker 1: job's gonna want to pay you eight hours overtime every
Speaker 1: week without them doing it? Now? No, probably not. So
Speaker 1: you're gonna have three day weekends, which is great, but
Speaker 1: run your numbers. Can you even afford that?
Speaker 2: And then I was talking to a guy at work
Speaker 2: about that.
Speaker 4: I was telling them, you know, anything over yeah, you know,
Speaker 4: eight hours, well, anything over thirty two hours will be
Speaker 4: considered over time, but in it. But he was saying, Okay,
Speaker 4: so where's the extra money going to come from? Are
Speaker 4: they going to increase our pay? You know what I'm
Speaker 4: saying to make up the difference.
Speaker 1: What they're doing is they're trying to sell us a
Speaker 1: shorter work week, but they're really selling us they're just
Speaker 1: making it to where we get less money. They're taking
Speaker 1: all the money and they're giving it. Who do you
Speaker 1: think gets the contract for the Golden Dome? Elon? Hmmm,
Speaker 1: biggest defense contractor out there. Of course he's gonna get it.
Speaker 1: He's the guy with all the technology to do it.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, dude. It's so clear that it's
Speaker 1: all just upwards. And when was the last biggest upward
Speaker 1: transfer of money COVID during Trump's presidency? Yeah, whenever they
Speaker 1: printed all that money. And we want to blame all
Speaker 1: the you know, and they did such a fucking good
Speaker 1: job at blaming the left and blaming them and blaming
Speaker 1: Fauci and how he's aligned with the left, So it
Speaker 1: must be the left it's putting this out there to
Speaker 1: fuck up his presidency. No, no, no, no, no. Trump's
Speaker 1: working with him too, and he's doing a great job
Speaker 1: at acting like he's got nothing to do with it.
Speaker 1: But if you look all the big steps happened whenever
Speaker 1: he's president, the last big steps that happened to get
Speaker 1: us towards where we're going now five G started. Then
Speaker 1: Elon got all of his money to keep doing what
Speaker 1: he's doing. SpaceX. Look at it now fast forward eight
Speaker 1: years and then what he's doing it again, and he
Speaker 1: did it great. He's really smart because I think he
Speaker 1: lost his last selection, and I think that was thrown
Speaker 1: on purpose. I think that they extended it that extra time.
Speaker 1: It gives him that practically things kept going in the
Speaker 1: same direction when Biden was president, and then now he
Speaker 1: picks up where he left off essentially and then just boom,
Speaker 1: keeps fast tracking it that way. And not only that,
Speaker 1: but in that meantime they've built so much sentiment towards
Speaker 1: him that, I mean, he's unstoppable. It was genius, Dude,
Speaker 1: when you look back in hindsight, that's got to be
Speaker 1: what it was. I can't see it any other way, Damn,
Speaker 1: especially when you look at his bills and you look
Speaker 1: at the transparency of like, yeah, he went after the
Speaker 1: military industrial complex in his first Yeah, in his first presidency.
Speaker 1: But now this time he's one hundred percent beholden to them.
Speaker 1: He's done a great I mean, he does good it
Speaker 1: like acting like people that are as people that are
Speaker 1: his allies are his enemies. He does a great job
Speaker 1: at that.
Speaker 2: Dude.
Speaker 4: Now since Trump has gotten it office, I wonder if
Speaker 4: he's practicing you know, like Macavelianism.
Speaker 1: You know, that's what he does his whole life, you
Speaker 1: know that, you.
Speaker 2: Know the book The Prince.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, that is what all this is. That's
Speaker 1: exactly what we've been talking about. The Macaveelianism of all this,
Speaker 1: the technic, the technocracy in general is it's this whole idea.
Speaker 1: It's it's one hundred percent that uh just for people
Speaker 1: that don't know, the idea that politics should be guided
Speaker 1: by practical empower, not morality or ideals. Essentially, Macaveelianism is
Speaker 1: the idea that like, look, you gotta kill you know,
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta crack some eggs to make an omelet,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And that's that's what it is,
Speaker 1: you know. And uh so that is exactly how he operates,
Speaker 1: and that's exactly how the system will continue to operate
Speaker 1: because Macuvelianism is the the world we live in. It's
Speaker 1: a great way. Actually, that's a great, great one, is it.
Speaker 2: But it seems like it makes sense only because of
Speaker 2: the world we live in. Though.
Speaker 1: Okay, if you take the logical side of it out right,
Speaker 1: and you one hundred percent are like humanitarian, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: if you're a military general, you kind of have to
Speaker 1: be Macaveelian, Right, Why do we have wars all the time?
Speaker 1: You see what I mean? Like, if we weren't already
Speaker 1: involved in the conflicts that we keep involving ourselves in
Speaker 1: to dominate, then we wouldn't have a place for Machiavelianism.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't think anybody really has a problem
Speaker 1: with each other. I think it all is about the resources,
Speaker 1: it's about the control. It's about I need you doing
Speaker 1: when I want so I can keep this going the
Speaker 1: way I need it. You know, That's how it's been
Speaker 1: thus far. But then also now I do think we're
Speaker 1: in a transitory position now where they're like, we have
Speaker 1: new technologies that we could let kind of run everything
Speaker 1: in a more streamlined way. And that's the AI situation,
Speaker 1: And that's where, you know, that's the ultimate Macaveelianism, because
Speaker 1: AI does not have any feelings. And what they're doing is,
Speaker 1: if you think about it, priming us for that kind
Speaker 1: of world where it's ran off pure macuveelianism or technocratic logic,
Speaker 1: that's literally the same thing. What's the difference between a
Speaker 1: technocratic logic and machiavelianism explain that there's no data. I
Speaker 1: can't see a difference. Now they're trying to sell the
Speaker 1: idea of socialism with this, but I don't know. Man,
Speaker 1: socialism hasn't worked yet. I wouldn't assume it's gonna work now,
Speaker 1: and I definitely wouldn't bank on it working whenever we
Speaker 1: know that there's already been false positives for pollenteers, policing
Speaker 1: or whatever. We know that AI isn't right all the time,
Speaker 1: that all kind of connects together. You know, you go
Speaker 1: back to what Snowden was trying to show us, and
Speaker 1: then you look at what they got coming. Now it's
Speaker 1: all right there, but uh yeah, don't let them. Don't
Speaker 1: let them get out there and try to plug you in. Dude,
Speaker 1: fuck that we ain't going for it. But yeah, so anyway,
Speaker 1: that d wave guy, do you want to say that
Speaker 1: love Craft we mentioned HP Lovecraft, that he just essentially
Speaker 1: that cosmicism that we explain. I didn't really get deep
Speaker 1: into the HP Lovecraft like I said I would last week.
Speaker 1: So I just want to quickly not sholl that that's
Speaker 1: what the cosmicism was. It's the idea that there's ancient
Speaker 1: intelligences that are way bigger than us, don't give a
Speaker 1: shit about us, and they're going to keep ruling and
Speaker 1: dominating over us. And if those aren't real, and honestly,
Speaker 1: I don't even know. If I believe that those are real,
Speaker 1: that's fine. But they're trying to create real ones with
Speaker 1: this new system AI Quantum, create a new intelligence, a sentience,
Speaker 1: and they're priming us for it. Go look at Joe
Speaker 1: Rogan and him talking about singularity. Go look at the
Speaker 1: idea of a simulation theory. I'm telling you they're priming
Speaker 1: us for that, because yeah, it may not have been
Speaker 1: real in the past. If you're an atheist type and
Speaker 1: there's no entity, sure, but I'll tell you what they're
Speaker 1: trying to make one now. And you go tell me
Speaker 1: after you ask your chat ubt about what your grandma
Speaker 1: was like and it tells you exactly how she is,
Speaker 1: and then you tell me I'm crazy. Another episode of
Speaker 1: six Ga Jen Now, I hope you all loved it.
Speaker 1: We're a little all over the place, but this is
Speaker 1: a weird fucking topic, and you know there's people getting
Speaker 1: into it. Go listen to Isaac Wise hoop. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't want to step on his toes. He's really
Speaker 1: getting deep into this kind of topic as well. I
Speaker 1: think he does a great job of kind of hitting
Speaker 1: some other points. I think definitely, you listen to him,
Speaker 1: listen to ours, you'll have a great grasp of what
Speaker 1: I'm getting at. But y'all take care right on. We'll
Speaker 1: see you next time.