WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:01.600 Today, I want to tell you about a journey that 2 00:00:01.600 --> 00:00:03.879 I've been on for most of my life. Ever since 3 00:00:03.919 --> 00:00:05.799 I was a kid, I've heard tales of bigfoot and 4 00:00:05.839 --> 00:00:08.320 wild men while spending time with my friends and family. 5 00:00:09.039 --> 00:00:11.439 As I grew older and read more about the paranormal, 6 00:00:11.599 --> 00:00:14.679 my interest in encryptids and other things strange only deepened. 7 00:00:15.240 --> 00:00:17.160 That's why I'm so excited to share with you what 8 00:00:17.199 --> 00:00:21.640 I've personally become involved with the Untold Radio Network. The 9 00:00:21.719 --> 00:00:25.280 Untold Radio Network is a live streaming podcast network that 10 00:00:25.359 --> 00:00:29.359 airs a new show every day across all podcast platforms, YouTube, 11 00:00:29.359 --> 00:00:32.119 and more. 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Hey everybody, this is Less Driving. 31 00:01:37.239 --> 00:01:41.319 Yes, yes I know, AKA Surviving Man and you're listening 32 00:01:41.359 --> 00:01:43.120 to Brian and Sasquatch Odyssey. 33 00:02:05.040 --> 00:02:08.759 He there and welcome back to Sasquatch. Honestly, thank you 34 00:02:08.840 --> 00:02:11.280 so much for cooking play. It is Wednesday. I hope 35 00:02:11.319 --> 00:02:14.080 you're having in a fantastic week. We have an amazing 36 00:02:14.120 --> 00:02:16.479 guest lined up for you. But as always, I want 37 00:02:16.479 --> 00:02:19.560 to start where I always do by inviting you. If 38 00:02:19.599 --> 00:02:21.159 you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on 39 00:02:21.199 --> 00:02:22.960 the show, shoot me an email you and get me 40 00:02:23.000 --> 00:02:25.919 at Brian at Paranomoworldproductions dot com. Get head over to 41 00:02:25.960 --> 00:02:28.080 the website, check it out, become a member there and 42 00:02:28.120 --> 00:02:31.680 help support the show. I got to sit down and 43 00:02:31.719 --> 00:02:34.560 talk to Dylan from Oregon quite a few months back, 44 00:02:34.599 --> 00:02:37.280 and this is a really short episode. Dylan had some 45 00:02:37.400 --> 00:02:40.719 interesting experiences that he wanted to share, and as always, 46 00:02:40.759 --> 00:02:43.520 I believe that every encounter, no matter what it is 47 00:02:43.719 --> 00:02:46.719 or how short it is, is important. So this is 48 00:02:46.719 --> 00:02:49.719 a pretty short episode for your midweek bonus show. We 49 00:02:49.800 --> 00:02:52.680 will be back on Friday, of course, with the regularly 50 00:02:52.800 --> 00:02:56.479 scheduled longer Encounter show for you guys. I have quite 51 00:02:56.520 --> 00:02:58.759 a few interviews that I've conducted over the last couple 52 00:02:58.840 --> 00:03:00.479 of months that I can't wait to get out for 53 00:03:00.520 --> 00:03:02.439 you guys. We've been doing a ton of traveling, you know. 54 00:03:02.479 --> 00:03:05.319 I was over in the United Kingdom last week. We 55 00:03:05.319 --> 00:03:07.120 were only home for three days, and then we had 56 00:03:07.120 --> 00:03:08.879 to turn around, hop in the truck and head up 57 00:03:08.879 --> 00:03:11.560 to Gatlinburg for the Smucky Mountain Bigfoot conference, where we 58 00:03:11.599 --> 00:03:15.039 had an absolute blast. As always, I always enjoy meeting 59 00:03:15.039 --> 00:03:17.400 you guys a person. We can't thank you enough for 60 00:03:17.520 --> 00:03:19.280 all of the support. But enough of that, I know 61 00:03:19.400 --> 00:03:21.280 you guys are ready to get into it. Dylan's on 62 00:03:21.319 --> 00:03:23.240 the line, He's ready to go, So all that's left 63 00:03:23.240 --> 00:03:26.400 for you to do is sit back, relax and enjoy 64 00:03:26.439 --> 00:03:49.479 the show. I don't want to welcome our guest to 65 00:03:49.479 --> 00:03:51.439 the show. It is Dylan from Oregon. Welcome to the 66 00:03:51.479 --> 00:03:51.879 show man. 67 00:03:52.479 --> 00:03:53.599 Hey, how's it going. 68 00:03:53.960 --> 00:03:55.879 I am good. I'm glad to have you on the show. 69 00:03:56.319 --> 00:03:57.919 So let's get right into it. Let's talk about this 70 00:03:57.919 --> 00:04:00.759 bigfoot thing. Let's start with what got you interested in 71 00:04:00.800 --> 00:04:01.800 the subject to begin with? 72 00:04:02.360 --> 00:04:04.759 Basically, I was a nerdy kid, not much to do, 73 00:04:05.199 --> 00:04:08.919 spent my early years in Brookings, Oregon, which is right 74 00:04:08.960 --> 00:04:09.599 on the coast. 75 00:04:09.759 --> 00:04:09.960 Yeah. 76 00:04:09.960 --> 00:04:12.159 I just ended up going to the library every once 77 00:04:12.199 --> 00:04:15.159 in a while and ended up finding this section that 78 00:04:15.919 --> 00:04:18.319 was just all about the weird stuff. I picked up 79 00:04:18.319 --> 00:04:20.639 a few books and that kind of got me interested 80 00:04:20.680 --> 00:04:23.600 in it. And then after that turned twelve, moved to 81 00:04:23.639 --> 00:04:27.680 the Midwest and it basically exited my life and moved 82 00:04:27.680 --> 00:04:30.439 back here after I graduated, ended up into Oregon, which 83 00:04:30.480 --> 00:04:33.120 is in central Oregon. Was always in the back of 84 00:04:33.160 --> 00:04:34.639 my mind. Went on from there. 85 00:04:35.199 --> 00:04:36.800 Did you spend a lot of time out in the 86 00:04:36.839 --> 00:04:40.040 woods and you start having experiences? Is that what spurned 87 00:04:40.079 --> 00:04:42.639 you on through the years to continue to be interested 88 00:04:42.639 --> 00:04:43.279 in the subject. 89 00:04:43.800 --> 00:04:47.040 Yeah, absolutely, and that's where I thrive. I'd rather be 90 00:04:47.120 --> 00:04:50.680 there than in any town unless it's a small town. Yeah, 91 00:04:50.720 --> 00:04:53.319 that's basically where it started. I moved back here and 92 00:04:54.160 --> 00:04:57.360 years went on. Family moved out here with me and 93 00:04:58.639 --> 00:05:01.800 ended up having a It wasn't a life changing experience 94 00:05:01.839 --> 00:05:03.879 at this point, but it was with my brother and 95 00:05:03.920 --> 00:05:06.639 my cousin. My cousin was visiting from out of town 96 00:05:06.680 --> 00:05:08.800 and we were out. I just bought a little twenty 97 00:05:08.800 --> 00:05:12.000 two rifle and decided to go try it out. I 98 00:05:12.000 --> 00:05:16.000 had never owned an actual gunpowder firearm till that point. 99 00:05:16.040 --> 00:05:19.160 And we're just shooting and we're buy this cave out 100 00:05:19.199 --> 00:05:20.959 on a road called China Hat Road. 101 00:05:21.959 --> 00:05:24.360 Back then, it wasn't walled off. It was getting dark. 102 00:05:24.639 --> 00:05:27.399 This is a long time ago, so I'm just trying 103 00:05:27.439 --> 00:05:28.959 to pull this shit from my memory. 104 00:05:29.240 --> 00:05:32.079 But basically, we saw this eye shine. 105 00:05:32.079 --> 00:05:36.360 It's a high desert, so it's a sagebrush and pretty 106 00:05:36.360 --> 00:05:39.480 open with ponderosa pines peeking up every once in a while. 107 00:05:40.000 --> 00:05:43.040 We saw something move and we're thinking, so dear, but 108 00:05:43.120 --> 00:05:46.079 we're seeing a rifle. It's not a super loud rifle, 109 00:05:46.120 --> 00:05:48.920 and we're not being crazy. We were just kids, basically, 110 00:05:49.519 --> 00:05:52.920 early twenties to late teens. But it was doing weird stuff. 111 00:05:52.959 --> 00:05:56.120 It would like from what I remember. My brother remembers 112 00:05:56.160 --> 00:05:59.519 it differently from what I remember. It was just like 113 00:05:59.600 --> 00:06:04.360 it was standing still trying to not be seen, but 114 00:06:04.439 --> 00:06:06.759 it would go down and then come back up. 115 00:06:07.439 --> 00:06:09.759 And this is just something that me and my brother 116 00:06:09.879 --> 00:06:14.279 talk about. It wasn't a life changing thing, but the 117 00:06:14.279 --> 00:06:18.680 eye shine would go up, go down, and basically stay 118 00:06:18.720 --> 00:06:21.480 in one spot. It quite possibly could have been a deer, 119 00:06:21.519 --> 00:06:25.160 to tell you the truth, but both me, my brother, 120 00:06:25.199 --> 00:06:29.639 and my cousin remember it as something. But it gets 121 00:06:29.639 --> 00:06:30.639 better from here, for sure. 122 00:06:31.639 --> 00:06:34.680 Let's talk a little bit about the eye shine. Was 123 00:06:34.720 --> 00:06:38.439 there enough light for this to be like reflective eye shine? 124 00:06:38.480 --> 00:06:40.360 Is that what I'm understanding you saying? Are you talking 125 00:06:40.399 --> 00:06:41.839 like self illuminating eyes? 126 00:06:42.519 --> 00:06:47.000 Actually it looked like it wasn't definitely not self illuminating. 127 00:06:47.279 --> 00:06:50.480 The sun was to our backs, so it could have 128 00:06:50.720 --> 00:06:54.279 possibly been the sun. But I'd rather go from the 129 00:06:54.399 --> 00:06:58.600 last one that really blew mynd back to this one 130 00:06:58.639 --> 00:07:01.079 because you know, like I said, I got five different 131 00:07:01.160 --> 00:07:05.839 experiences out here, and they're spread out between basically twenty 132 00:07:05.879 --> 00:07:06.480 five years. 133 00:07:06.680 --> 00:07:08.439 Yeah, just go right into the next one. 134 00:07:08.800 --> 00:07:11.120 Could I go to the most recent one because that's 135 00:07:11.120 --> 00:07:13.759 the one I can remember the most. Okay, so the 136 00:07:13.839 --> 00:07:17.600 most recent one. I was probably ten years into hunting. 137 00:07:17.759 --> 00:07:20.920 I'm not good, never killed anything but a rabbit. Me 138 00:07:21.000 --> 00:07:24.439 and my uncle were up on a road basically a 139 00:07:24.480 --> 00:07:27.839 one way in, one way out road in the High Cascades. 140 00:07:28.519 --> 00:07:31.480 We were coming down a draw. We saw a couple 141 00:07:31.560 --> 00:07:33.800 come back up. We were hunting grouse at the moment. 142 00:07:34.439 --> 00:07:37.920 Basically a couple came up and there They looked frazzled 143 00:07:37.959 --> 00:07:38.720 for some reason. 144 00:07:39.240 --> 00:07:40.000 They just told me. 145 00:07:40.120 --> 00:07:42.439 Oh, there's a bear down there and it's scratching for 146 00:07:43.160 --> 00:07:46.519 grubs and a stump. And I didn't pick up on 147 00:07:46.639 --> 00:07:49.879 it at the moment, but happened later in the day 148 00:07:50.560 --> 00:07:54.480 I got maybe why they were terrified. Basically, we walked in. 149 00:07:54.600 --> 00:07:58.000 It was pretty steep walked down. I'm trying to picture 150 00:07:58.000 --> 00:08:01.959 your head. It's very remote, so not many people go there. 151 00:08:02.600 --> 00:08:05.519 We came down the trail went to the left. As 152 00:08:05.519 --> 00:08:08.079 we're going to the left, we hear a rock is 153 00:08:08.160 --> 00:08:11.560 up to our right, basically just something and it seemed 154 00:08:11.560 --> 00:08:14.720 like it was going back and forth and just trying 155 00:08:14.759 --> 00:08:17.240 to make all the noise it could. So basically we're 156 00:08:17.279 --> 00:08:20.120 looking up, we're going down at the terrain is up 157 00:08:20.199 --> 00:08:23.680 and down, and it was just breaking shit and going crazy, 158 00:08:23.720 --> 00:08:26.199 and I looked at my uncle, and basically the trail 159 00:08:26.519 --> 00:08:31.160 moved back around and went to the other side. And 160 00:08:31.240 --> 00:08:35.200 as I was going up the other side, I heard 161 00:08:35.200 --> 00:08:36.759 something whiz by my head. 162 00:08:36.960 --> 00:08:39.759 And as this all happened, it happened really quick. 163 00:08:39.799 --> 00:08:42.039 It was like I don't know if you've ever flicked 164 00:08:42.039 --> 00:08:44.720 a penny at your buddy, it goes and I felt 165 00:08:44.720 --> 00:08:47.200 something whizz by my head as I'm almost on all 166 00:08:47.240 --> 00:08:49.879 fours going back up this trail, like a little puff 167 00:08:49.919 --> 00:08:52.519 of dust went right in front of my head, and 168 00:08:52.600 --> 00:08:55.039 I'm thinking at the moment, I'm thinking, it's just like 169 00:08:55.120 --> 00:08:58.120 a timber tiger or something and a squirrel just running off. 170 00:08:58.679 --> 00:09:01.000 But that kind through me for a loop. And this 171 00:09:01.039 --> 00:09:02.799 is all in the same spot. 172 00:09:02.519 --> 00:09:05.720 Where a couple of years earlier I had been trying 173 00:09:05.720 --> 00:09:09.159 to hunt here because it's a general tag and I 174 00:09:09.200 --> 00:09:12.559 hadn't been able to peg for the unit where I live. 175 00:09:13.440 --> 00:09:17.440 I may to go probably three years back basically the 176 00:09:17.480 --> 00:09:21.159 same in out road one way in one way out. 177 00:09:21.320 --> 00:09:25.279 I was scouting to see if I could hunt here 178 00:09:25.360 --> 00:09:29.320 because it was the closest place that I could find 179 00:09:29.600 --> 00:09:33.279 where I'm over in the next unit. And basically I 180 00:09:33.320 --> 00:09:36.480 was riding my dirt bike. We were camping, and I 181 00:09:36.559 --> 00:09:38.600 just took off in the morning and rode up there 182 00:09:38.639 --> 00:09:40.919 to I'm definitely not a professional hunter. I was just 183 00:09:41.039 --> 00:09:44.200 seeing what I can see and taking a break from camp. 184 00:09:44.240 --> 00:09:45.159 And I got to a. 185 00:09:45.120 --> 00:09:49.080 Point where I saw there was a little drop off 186 00:09:49.240 --> 00:09:52.120 and I thought, Okay, that might be a good place 187 00:09:52.159 --> 00:09:55.879 to sit and wait for something to come by. And 188 00:09:56.000 --> 00:09:59.399 I got off my bike, shut it off and walked 189 00:09:59.440 --> 00:10:02.240 to the left the road and I probably got fifteen 190 00:10:02.320 --> 00:10:05.840 steps into the woods just coming on just in my ear, 191 00:10:05.960 --> 00:10:09.600 and the hair stood up, and I turned back, got 192 00:10:09.600 --> 00:10:12.600 on my bike, turned it around and went back. And 193 00:10:12.840 --> 00:10:16.039 I've told a few people about it. Most people were like, whatever, 194 00:10:16.080 --> 00:10:18.559 it was, probably cougar. And in my mind, I'm thinking, yeah, 195 00:10:18.559 --> 00:10:20.480 there might have been a cougar up in the tree. 196 00:10:21.039 --> 00:10:22.960 Like I don't know why cougar would growl if he 197 00:10:23.080 --> 00:10:27.600 was wanting to kill me or anything. But that was 198 00:10:27.639 --> 00:10:32.120 the first and then that year, basically opening day, I 199 00:10:32.159 --> 00:10:35.679 went up that same way, up that same road. 200 00:10:36.600 --> 00:10:40.639 It was early October. It was warm. As I came 201 00:10:40.720 --> 00:10:43.440 up the road, I had my window down and I 202 00:10:43.480 --> 00:10:47.080 hear a whistle right as I'm noticing that there's a 203 00:10:47.159 --> 00:10:50.240 log in the middle of the road, and I'm going 204 00:10:50.320 --> 00:10:52.240 to have to get out figure out what I'm going 205 00:10:52.320 --> 00:10:53.919 to do because I have a van, a two wheel 206 00:10:54.000 --> 00:10:56.039 drive van, and I heard a whistle. 207 00:10:56.080 --> 00:10:58.720 It was a human whistle, and other than that, it 208 00:10:58.799 --> 00:11:03.200 was silent besides the exhaust of my van. It was 209 00:11:03.279 --> 00:11:08.279 basically the same spot where that other thing had happened 210 00:11:08.279 --> 00:11:11.159 to me. So I'm thinking, Okay, I got out of 211 00:11:11.159 --> 00:11:14.399 the van, and you know, I had a side arm. 212 00:11:14.440 --> 00:11:17.559 I just shoved it in my pocket and got my 213 00:11:17.679 --> 00:11:19.840 chainsaw and went out and took care of the log, 214 00:11:19.879 --> 00:11:22.039 and the whole time I'm thinking there's something wanted me. 215 00:11:22.720 --> 00:11:24.720 It was just so weird. 216 00:11:24.840 --> 00:11:26.759 And I got it out of there and went up 217 00:11:26.759 --> 00:11:29.360 to camp and my brother came up a few days later, 218 00:11:29.399 --> 00:11:33.720 and nothing else happened on that weekend. But yeah, those 219 00:11:33.759 --> 00:11:37.120 are the two experiences that really changed my mind. I 220 00:11:37.159 --> 00:11:40.279 thought that these things might actually be real. And then 221 00:11:40.399 --> 00:11:42.759 there's a few other things I can talk about as well. 222 00:11:43.679 --> 00:11:46.879 There's one more thing that happened out on that same 223 00:11:47.000 --> 00:11:50.080 road that threw me for a loop. On the China 224 00:11:50.120 --> 00:11:51.960 Hat Road, I had just met a girl and she 225 00:11:52.039 --> 00:11:52.480 ended up. 226 00:11:52.440 --> 00:11:54.679 Being my wife for a while. We're divorced now. 227 00:11:54.759 --> 00:11:58.519 But we were on mountain bikes and we just were 228 00:11:58.639 --> 00:12:03.399 trailblazing through the the Pondrosa pine Duff off trail. It 229 00:12:03.440 --> 00:12:06.639 wasn't an actual trail. I've listened to podcasts for years 230 00:12:06.679 --> 00:12:09.240 and I'm always picturing things I've seen in my head. 231 00:12:09.879 --> 00:12:11.120 But basically it's. 232 00:12:11.000 --> 00:12:16.840 Just a volcanic area, sparse pondrosa pine, thin sagebrush, and 233 00:12:17.879 --> 00:12:20.360 ponderous pine needles which are long needles. 234 00:12:20.919 --> 00:12:23.200 Yeah, we were just trail blazed on the mountain bikes 235 00:12:23.279 --> 00:12:25.960 off road, which was crazy, and I was impressed how 236 00:12:26.159 --> 00:12:28.240 she did it, and it was like, cool, you can 237 00:12:28.240 --> 00:12:31.720 do this with me. Anyway, we came up to spot 238 00:12:31.759 --> 00:12:32.879 where there was a rise. 239 00:12:33.519 --> 00:12:36.080 It's a volcanic Back in the day, the pumas pushed 240 00:12:36.159 --> 00:12:40.120 up out of the Duff, So basically there's a wide, 241 00:12:40.320 --> 00:12:44.320 highly visible area and then there's a ridge of pumice 242 00:12:44.399 --> 00:12:47.840 which has been covered by duff throughout the years. We 243 00:12:47.919 --> 00:12:50.360 got off our bikes and we were just tripping around. 244 00:12:50.679 --> 00:12:52.840 I came up to a spot where there was a 245 00:12:52.960 --> 00:12:57.200 very young ponderosa pine with real green needles. I can't 246 00:12:57.279 --> 00:12:59.399 remember what time of year it was. It looked like 247 00:13:00.120 --> 00:13:04.720 something had pulled the needles out of the Pondrosa pine 248 00:13:04.759 --> 00:13:08.960 and made a nest basically like a bird's nest, but 249 00:13:09.080 --> 00:13:12.000 a very large bird's nest. It was right on the 250 00:13:12.000 --> 00:13:13.159 top of this little ridge. 251 00:13:13.159 --> 00:13:14.279 It's not a tall ridge. 252 00:13:14.320 --> 00:13:18.000 It's like basically you can trip your way down probably 253 00:13:18.039 --> 00:13:21.960 ten feet. But throughout the years hav an interest in 254 00:13:22.000 --> 00:13:24.639 this subject. I noticed that would be a perfect area 255 00:13:24.879 --> 00:13:28.960 to just hide in a little nest. And they were fresh. 256 00:13:29.000 --> 00:13:31.879 They had been pulled off of this little ponderosa pine 257 00:13:32.639 --> 00:13:35.759 and made in a circle basically so you could just 258 00:13:35.879 --> 00:13:39.639 hide yourself. And it wasn't during hunting seasons. I think 259 00:13:39.639 --> 00:13:42.279 it was early spring where the needles are real green. 260 00:13:42.919 --> 00:13:45.159 It tripped me out. I offered it up to her. 261 00:13:45.200 --> 00:13:46.360 I was like, what do you think about that? 262 00:13:46.480 --> 00:13:48.399 This is weird just to find out in the middle 263 00:13:48.399 --> 00:13:51.200 of the woods, basically away from any trails. There weren't 264 00:13:51.200 --> 00:13:53.960 any trails really around there. It's just basically like fire 265 00:13:54.039 --> 00:13:57.039 roads where people have made fire roads around here. You 266 00:13:57.080 --> 00:14:00.960 can basically drive through the pines and make a road 267 00:14:01.519 --> 00:14:05.399 and it won't recover, especially if people keep driving on it. 268 00:14:05.519 --> 00:14:07.480 But this was off of in the middle. 269 00:14:08.240 --> 00:14:12.159 And yeah, I'm not being highly observational at the moment, 270 00:14:12.240 --> 00:14:14.600 but if I could go back, I might have looked 271 00:14:14.639 --> 00:14:16.519 around a little more. 272 00:14:17.320 --> 00:14:17.919 But it just. 273 00:14:17.879 --> 00:14:21.440 Seemed odd and where it was placed was a perfect 274 00:14:21.519 --> 00:14:25.639 vantage point where you could see throughout the little valley, 275 00:14:26.399 --> 00:14:28.039 if you want to call it that. 276 00:14:28.039 --> 00:14:28.919 That's basically all. 277 00:14:28.960 --> 00:14:32.279 I got a few weird things actually in the same 278 00:14:32.360 --> 00:14:36.720 area where I'd had those experiences, the most recent ones. 279 00:14:36.840 --> 00:14:40.039 I was in camp I believe it was the same 280 00:14:40.039 --> 00:14:41.759 time I was up there with my uncle where we 281 00:14:41.799 --> 00:14:44.399 heard that thing thrashing the brush, and then that thing 282 00:14:44.639 --> 00:14:48.200 was by my head. I went to sleep in my tent. 283 00:14:48.320 --> 00:14:51.000 I was alone in the tent, and I woke up 284 00:14:51.039 --> 00:14:55.039 in the early morning before light. I would say it 285 00:14:55.039 --> 00:14:58.399 would be like three o'clock in the morning, just both awake, 286 00:14:58.879 --> 00:15:02.320 and I hear this like chattering, like teeth clicking together, 287 00:15:03.080 --> 00:15:05.799 and it goes by my tent. It could have very 288 00:15:05.799 --> 00:15:08.639 well have been a dream, but like a large teeth 289 00:15:08.759 --> 00:15:12.759 clattering or rocks being So that's it, man, Just quite 290 00:15:12.799 --> 00:15:16.240 a few little snippets of things that I've noticed in 291 00:15:16.279 --> 00:15:19.080 the woods here in central Organ. But yeah, they were 292 00:15:19.120 --> 00:15:23.799 all just interesting to my mind as a kid reading 293 00:15:23.840 --> 00:15:27.639 about it and for years listening to a podcasts like yours, which, 294 00:15:27.840 --> 00:15:31.000 by the way, man, your podcast is rad I think 295 00:15:31.039 --> 00:15:34.240 it's one of the best out there, and it sounds good. 296 00:15:34.480 --> 00:15:37.679 I got my feelers up on most of the podcasts. 297 00:15:37.759 --> 00:15:41.840 There's a few I've just basically deleted because it sounds 298 00:15:41.879 --> 00:15:43.480 like someone's reading something off of paper. 299 00:15:43.559 --> 00:15:45.759 But yours. You do a good job, man. It seems 300 00:15:45.799 --> 00:15:49.080 like you're interested in it, and that's cool. People think 301 00:15:49.120 --> 00:15:49.879 we're crazy, but. 302 00:15:50.799 --> 00:15:52.960 You wouldn't believe how many people tell me every week 303 00:15:53.000 --> 00:15:55.159 that I'm crazy as hell, not just for believing in 304 00:15:55.200 --> 00:15:58.240 Bigfoot and being interested in the subject in general, but 305 00:15:59.200 --> 00:16:01.519 for doing the about it and taking some of the 306 00:16:01.559 --> 00:16:03.600 shit that I take from people in the community because 307 00:16:03.679 --> 00:16:06.240 not everybody is a fan of how I approach things. 308 00:16:06.559 --> 00:16:08.519 I don't drink the Bigfoot kool aid, so it's very 309 00:16:08.519 --> 00:16:11.440 difficult for people to latch on a lot of times 310 00:16:11.480 --> 00:16:13.519 because I will challenge people and I talk about what 311 00:16:13.559 --> 00:16:16.039 I believe and what I don't believe. It's hard for people, 312 00:16:16.080 --> 00:16:19.480 but it's harder to do this kind of show because 313 00:16:20.000 --> 00:16:21.480 I want it to be a place where people can 314 00:16:21.519 --> 00:16:23.600 come and share their experiences without feeling like they're going 315 00:16:23.639 --> 00:16:25.879 to be judged, because I don't judge anybody. I had 316 00:16:25.879 --> 00:16:27.279 a guy on and said he had sex with a 317 00:16:27.320 --> 00:16:30.840 female sasquatch, dude. I will listen to anybody's story. Now, 318 00:16:30.919 --> 00:16:34.080 I don't know that guy's not badshit crazy, but it's 319 00:16:34.080 --> 00:16:36.440 his story, it's his experience, and I try to let 320 00:16:36.519 --> 00:16:39.000 everybody have the opportunity to do that. Let me ask 321 00:16:39.000 --> 00:16:40.879 you a couple of questions. I do want to go 322 00:16:40.960 --> 00:16:42.720 back and talk a little bit about the eye shine 323 00:16:42.759 --> 00:16:45.840 that you guys saw in the beginning, because that's something 324 00:16:45.840 --> 00:16:47.720 that's come up over and over again on the show 325 00:16:48.600 --> 00:16:53.639 about eyeshine and people seeing self illuminating eyes versus just 326 00:16:53.720 --> 00:16:57.000 regular eyeshine and some of those weird things. I know 327 00:16:57.000 --> 00:16:58.960 you've heard a lot of stories. What do you think 328 00:16:59.000 --> 00:17:03.120 about the difference in these things possibly having the ability 329 00:17:03.159 --> 00:17:08.240 to create their own self illuminating eye shine versus people 330 00:17:08.960 --> 00:17:11.440 maybe being a little hyped up on adrenaline and other 331 00:17:11.480 --> 00:17:14.599 things going on and then just seeing regular eye shine 332 00:17:14.599 --> 00:17:15.640 and thinking it something else. 333 00:17:16.279 --> 00:17:18.640 I think that if these things are real, in which 334 00:17:18.640 --> 00:17:23.279 I'm about ninety nine point three percent, that these things 335 00:17:23.319 --> 00:17:25.759 exist so they're few and fire between. But I think 336 00:17:25.799 --> 00:17:28.880 that if they do exist, they're basically nocturnal. 337 00:17:29.119 --> 00:17:32.160 I'm not a scientist, but it seems they. 338 00:17:32.079 --> 00:17:35.839 Would have I don't know how a night vision scope worked, 339 00:17:35.880 --> 00:17:38.559 but basically would let more light in that it would 340 00:17:38.839 --> 00:17:41.559 give out. I don't think they self illuminate, but I 341 00:17:41.599 --> 00:17:45.400 think that any light that is there, because as I'm 342 00:17:45.440 --> 00:17:48.920 remembering now, I'm thinking that we might have been shining 343 00:17:48.960 --> 00:17:49.599 a flashlight. 344 00:17:49.640 --> 00:17:52.559 It was so freaking long ago. I don't know, but. 345 00:17:52.759 --> 00:17:58.440 It seems like it would retract or reflect, basically be 346 00:17:58.559 --> 00:18:02.519 taking in the light that it's real and putting it 347 00:18:02.559 --> 00:18:05.559 out there. If you're a nocturnal creature, you're going to 348 00:18:05.640 --> 00:18:08.519 be dark. If that's the way you live, then you're 349 00:18:08.559 --> 00:18:12.440 gonna have all those abilities. I think that's basically what 350 00:18:12.480 --> 00:18:12.920 it would be. 351 00:18:13.799 --> 00:18:17.079 The other thing that gets me is about the vocalizations, 352 00:18:17.160 --> 00:18:20.160 the whistles, the whoops, the things that they do that 353 00:18:20.640 --> 00:18:23.839 draw attention to themselves. Like you said, you were going along, 354 00:18:24.119 --> 00:18:27.640 you heard this whistle. It wasn't a person. I'm assuming 355 00:18:27.680 --> 00:18:30.599 it wasn't a person. What do you think about that behavior. 356 00:18:30.599 --> 00:18:33.920 I think it's very interesting that something that could stay 357 00:18:33.960 --> 00:18:37.640 so hidden, something that can be so camouflaged and completely 358 00:18:37.640 --> 00:18:40.359 avoid detection. It's like they step out in front of 359 00:18:40.440 --> 00:18:43.839 cars and they whistle and do whoops when people are around, 360 00:18:44.160 --> 00:18:46.480 to draw your attention their way. What do you make 361 00:18:46.480 --> 00:18:48.920 of that behavior? Have you had time to think about that? 362 00:18:49.079 --> 00:18:51.200 Do you think that's something that they're doing or maybe 363 00:18:51.240 --> 00:18:54.640 it's something we just don't understand. They're vocalizing for another reason, 364 00:18:54.759 --> 00:18:57.599 maybe communicating with others or whatnot. What are your thoughts 365 00:18:57.599 --> 00:18:59.599 on the whistles, the whoops, and the vocalisation. 366 00:18:59.759 --> 00:19:02.839 Yeah, I thought about that basically, those last three things 367 00:19:02.880 --> 00:19:07.799 that I experienced. I think that whistle was because it 368 00:19:07.880 --> 00:19:10.119 was basically in the same area where I heard that 369 00:19:10.200 --> 00:19:14.119 growl earlier on in the month, like just sitting there 370 00:19:14.680 --> 00:19:17.960 basically because it was a one way in, one way 371 00:19:18.000 --> 00:19:20.000 out road and they don't see much traffic there. 372 00:19:20.000 --> 00:19:22.920 It was about six thousand foot elevation. I think it 373 00:19:23.000 --> 00:19:25.960 was just warning it's fellas, okay, they're coming again. 374 00:19:26.240 --> 00:19:28.640 And the log was across the road, Hey, this is 375 00:19:28.759 --> 00:19:29.359 our spot. 376 00:19:30.039 --> 00:19:33.599 We haven't seen people here all year, maybe you on 377 00:19:33.640 --> 00:19:35.240 your motorbike earlier. 378 00:19:35.440 --> 00:19:38.079 But when I did get to the camp, which is 379 00:19:38.119 --> 00:19:40.559 an old forest service camp, which is really cool. 380 00:19:40.640 --> 00:19:44.279 It's got old tables up there. I think it was 381 00:19:44.319 --> 00:19:46.720 just warning because there's plenty of lakes up there. 382 00:19:47.160 --> 00:19:51.039 I didn't see any deer, but I'm not a good hunter, 383 00:19:51.119 --> 00:19:54.400 and basically that was probably two years into my experience 384 00:19:54.480 --> 00:19:55.359 trying to hunt. 385 00:19:55.839 --> 00:19:58.480 But I think that they were able to live up there. 386 00:19:58.799 --> 00:20:02.240 I think that there's spot and because they don't see 387 00:20:02.319 --> 00:20:06.400 too much traffic, I think they're just communicating through the woods. 388 00:20:06.480 --> 00:20:08.720 And it was a very loud whistle. It was not 389 00:20:08.920 --> 00:20:11.480 a bird whistle and it was just one whistle, just 390 00:20:11.519 --> 00:20:16.759 like basically, yeah, that sounded good. Yeah, it sounded like that. Yeah, 391 00:20:16.799 --> 00:20:19.079 because I noticed shit like that. 392 00:20:19.319 --> 00:20:22.519 And I noticed that because my window was down right 393 00:20:22.519 --> 00:20:25.480 as they pulled up to that lug, it was just like, hey, 394 00:20:25.599 --> 00:20:27.960 they're here again. And there was no one up at 395 00:20:27.960 --> 00:20:31.000 the camp, no one, and it's one way in, one 396 00:20:31.000 --> 00:20:31.799 way out. 397 00:20:31.960 --> 00:20:34.440 Yeah, that's what I think about that interesting stuff. 398 00:20:34.480 --> 00:20:37.960 Man. I really appreciate you rescheduling coming on and talking 399 00:20:37.960 --> 00:20:40.880 about your experiences. Again, it doesn't have to be the 400 00:20:40.920 --> 00:20:43.279 big sexy I saw it from ten feet away. In 401 00:20:43.319 --> 00:20:45.759