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Speaker 2: Open up to an odyssey you or there's something in
Speaker 2: the woods Anato tell you what you're about to see
Speaker 2: you or there's something in the woods. Knock in the
Speaker 2: park containeer ride the ooman said, don't go outside. There's
Speaker 2: something near the woods tonight. I hear rim knocking, shaking
Speaker 2: bushits footprints howling on my lung. Open up to an
Speaker 2: odyssey something.
Speaker 3: In the woods. Hey everybody, this is Less Driving.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes I know, AKA Surviving Man and you're listening
Speaker 4: to Brian and Sasquatch Odyssey.
Speaker 1: He there and welcome back to Sasquatch. Honestly, thank you
Speaker 1: so much for cooking play. It is Wednesday. I hope
Speaker 1: you're having in a fantastic week. We have an amazing
Speaker 1: guest lined up for you. But as always, I want
Speaker 1: to start where I always do by inviting you. If
Speaker 1: you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on
Speaker 1: the show, shoot me an email you and get me
Speaker 1: at Brian at Paranomoworldproductions dot com. Get head over to
Speaker 1: the website, check it out, become a member there and
Speaker 1: help support the show. I got to sit down and
Speaker 1: talk to Dylan from Oregon quite a few months back,
Speaker 1: and this is a really short episode. Dylan had some
Speaker 1: interesting experiences that he wanted to share, and as always,
Speaker 1: I believe that every encounter, no matter what it is
Speaker 1: or how short it is, is important. So this is
Speaker 1: a pretty short episode for your midweek bonus show. We
Speaker 1: will be back on Friday, of course, with the regularly
Speaker 1: scheduled longer Encounter show for you guys. I have quite
Speaker 1: a few interviews that I've conducted over the last couple
Speaker 1: of months that I can't wait to get out for
Speaker 1: you guys. We've been doing a ton of traveling, you know.
Speaker 1: I was over in the United Kingdom last week. We
Speaker 1: were only home for three days, and then we had
Speaker 1: to turn around, hop in the truck and head up
Speaker 1: to Gatlinburg for the Smucky Mountain Bigfoot conference, where we
Speaker 1: had an absolute blast. As always, I always enjoy meeting
Speaker 1: you guys a person. We can't thank you enough for
Speaker 1: all of the support. But enough of that, I know
Speaker 1: you guys are ready to get into it. Dylan's on
Speaker 1: the line, He's ready to go, So all that's left
Speaker 1: for you to do is sit back, relax and enjoy
Speaker 1: the show. I don't want to welcome our guest to
Speaker 1: the show. It is Dylan from Oregon. Welcome to the
Speaker 1: show man.
Speaker 3: Hey, how's it going.
Speaker 1: I am good. I'm glad to have you on the show.
Speaker 1: So let's get right into it. Let's talk about this
Speaker 1: bigfoot thing. Let's start with what got you interested in
Speaker 1: the subject to begin with?
Speaker 4: Basically, I was a nerdy kid, not much to do,
Speaker 4: spent my early years in Brookings, Oregon, which is right
Speaker 4: on the coast.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I just ended up going to the library every once
Speaker 4: in a while and ended up finding this section that
Speaker 4: was just all about the weird stuff. I picked up
Speaker 4: a few books and that kind of got me interested
Speaker 4: in it. And then after that turned twelve, moved to
Speaker 4: the Midwest and it basically exited my life and moved
Speaker 4: back here after I graduated, ended up into Oregon, which
Speaker 4: is in central Oregon. Was always in the back of
Speaker 4: my mind. Went on from there.
Speaker 1: Did you spend a lot of time out in the
Speaker 1: woods and you start having experiences? Is that what spurned
Speaker 1: you on through the years to continue to be interested
Speaker 1: in the subject.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, and that's where I thrive. I'd rather be
Speaker 4: there than in any town unless it's a small town. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's basically where it started. I moved back here and
Speaker 4: years went on. Family moved out here with me and
Speaker 4: ended up having a It wasn't a life changing experience
Speaker 4: at this point, but it was with my brother and
Speaker 4: my cousin. My cousin was visiting from out of town
Speaker 4: and we were out. I just bought a little twenty
Speaker 4: two rifle and decided to go try it out. I
Speaker 4: had never owned an actual gunpowder firearm till that point.
Speaker 4: And we're just shooting and we're buy this cave out
Speaker 4: on a road called China Hat Road.
Speaker 3: Back then, it wasn't walled off. It was getting dark.
Speaker 4: This is a long time ago, so I'm just trying
Speaker 4: to pull this shit from my memory.
Speaker 3: But basically, we saw this eye shine.
Speaker 4: It's a high desert, so it's a sagebrush and pretty
Speaker 4: open with ponderosa pines peeking up every once in a while.
Speaker 4: We saw something move and we're thinking, so dear, but
Speaker 4: we're seeing a rifle. It's not a super loud rifle,
Speaker 4: and we're not being crazy. We were just kids, basically,
Speaker 4: early twenties to late teens. But it was doing weird stuff.
Speaker 4: It would like from what I remember. My brother remembers
Speaker 4: it differently from what I remember. It was just like
Speaker 4: it was standing still trying to not be seen, but
Speaker 4: it would go down and then come back up.
Speaker 3: And this is just something that me and my brother
Speaker 3: talk about. It wasn't a life changing thing, but the
Speaker 3: eye shine would go up, go down, and basically stay
Speaker 3: in one spot. It quite possibly could have been a deer,
Speaker 3: to tell you the truth, but both me, my brother,
Speaker 3: and my cousin remember it as something. But it gets
Speaker 3: better from here, for sure.
Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit about the eye shine. Was
Speaker 1: there enough light for this to be like reflective eye shine?
Speaker 1: Is that what I'm understanding you saying? Are you talking
Speaker 1: like self illuminating eyes?
Speaker 4: Actually it looked like it wasn't definitely not self illuminating.
Speaker 4: The sun was to our backs, so it could have
Speaker 4: possibly been the sun. But I'd rather go from the
Speaker 4: last one that really blew mynd back to this one
Speaker 4: because you know, like I said, I got five different
Speaker 4: experiences out here, and they're spread out between basically twenty
Speaker 4: five years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just go right into the next one.
Speaker 4: Could I go to the most recent one because that's
Speaker 4: the one I can remember the most. Okay, so the
Speaker 4: most recent one. I was probably ten years into hunting.
Speaker 4: I'm not good, never killed anything but a rabbit. Me
Speaker 4: and my uncle were up on a road basically a
Speaker 4: one way in, one way out road in the High Cascades.
Speaker 4: We were coming down a draw. We saw a couple
Speaker 4: come back up. We were hunting grouse at the moment.
Speaker 4: Basically a couple came up and there They looked frazzled
Speaker 4: for some reason.
Speaker 3: They just told me.
Speaker 4: Oh, there's a bear down there and it's scratching for
Speaker 4: grubs and a stump. And I didn't pick up on
Speaker 4: it at the moment, but happened later in the day
Speaker 4: I got maybe why they were terrified. Basically, we walked in.
Speaker 4: It was pretty steep walked down. I'm trying to picture
Speaker 4: your head. It's very remote, so not many people go there.
Speaker 4: We came down the trail went to the left. As
Speaker 4: we're going to the left, we hear a rock is
Speaker 4: up to our right, basically just something and it seemed
Speaker 4: like it was going back and forth and just trying
Speaker 4: to make all the noise it could. So basically we're
Speaker 4: looking up, we're going down at the terrain is up
Speaker 4: and down, and it was just breaking shit and going crazy,
Speaker 4: and I looked at my uncle, and basically the trail
Speaker 4: moved back around and went to the other side. And
Speaker 4: as I was going up the other side, I heard
Speaker 4: something whiz by my head.
Speaker 3: And as this all happened, it happened really quick.
Speaker 4: It was like I don't know if you've ever flicked
Speaker 4: a penny at your buddy, it goes and I felt
Speaker 4: something whizz by my head as I'm almost on all
Speaker 4: fours going back up this trail, like a little puff
Speaker 4: of dust went right in front of my head, and
Speaker 4: I'm thinking at the moment, I'm thinking, it's just like
Speaker 4: a timber tiger or something and a squirrel just running off.
Speaker 3: But that kind through me for a loop. And this
Speaker 3: is all in the same spot.
Speaker 4: Where a couple of years earlier I had been trying
Speaker 4: to hunt here because it's a general tag and I
Speaker 4: hadn't been able to peg for the unit where I live.
Speaker 4: I may to go probably three years back basically the
Speaker 4: same in out road one way in one way out.
Speaker 4: I was scouting to see if I could hunt here
Speaker 4: because it was the closest place that I could find
Speaker 4: where I'm over in the next unit. And basically I
Speaker 4: was riding my dirt bike. We were camping, and I
Speaker 4: just took off in the morning and rode up there
Speaker 4: to I'm definitely not a professional hunter. I was just
Speaker 4: seeing what I can see and taking a break from camp.
Speaker 3: And I got to a.
Speaker 4: Point where I saw there was a little drop off
Speaker 4: and I thought, Okay, that might be a good place
Speaker 4: to sit and wait for something to come by. And
Speaker 4: I got off my bike, shut it off and walked
Speaker 4: to the left the road and I probably got fifteen
Speaker 4: steps into the woods just coming on just in my ear,
Speaker 4: and the hair stood up, and I turned back, got
Speaker 4: on my bike, turned it around and went back. And
Speaker 4: I've told a few people about it. Most people were like, whatever,
Speaker 4: it was, probably cougar. And in my mind, I'm thinking, yeah,
Speaker 4: there might have been a cougar up in the tree.
Speaker 4: Like I don't know why cougar would growl if he
Speaker 4: was wanting to kill me or anything. But that was
Speaker 4: the first and then that year, basically opening day, I
Speaker 4: went up that same way, up that same road.
Speaker 3: It was early October. It was warm. As I came
Speaker 3: up the road, I had my window down and I
Speaker 3: hear a whistle right as I'm noticing that there's a
Speaker 3: log in the middle of the road, and I'm going
Speaker 3: to have to get out figure out what I'm going
Speaker 3: to do because I have a van, a two wheel
Speaker 3: drive van, and I heard a whistle.
Speaker 4: It was a human whistle, and other than that, it
Speaker 4: was silent besides the exhaust of my van. It was
Speaker 4: basically the same spot where that other thing had happened
Speaker 4: to me. So I'm thinking, Okay, I got out of
Speaker 4: the van, and you know, I had a side arm.
Speaker 4: I just shoved it in my pocket and got my
Speaker 4: chainsaw and went out and took care of the log,
Speaker 4: and the whole time I'm thinking there's something wanted me.
Speaker 3: It was just so weird.
Speaker 4: And I got it out of there and went up
Speaker 4: to camp and my brother came up a few days later,
Speaker 4: and nothing else happened on that weekend. But yeah, those
Speaker 4: are the two experiences that really changed my mind. I
Speaker 4: thought that these things might actually be real. And then
Speaker 4: there's a few other things I can talk about as well.
Speaker 4: There's one more thing that happened out on that same
Speaker 4: road that threw me for a loop. On the China
Speaker 4: Hat Road, I had just met a girl and she
Speaker 4: ended up.
Speaker 3: Being my wife for a while. We're divorced now.
Speaker 4: But we were on mountain bikes and we just were
Speaker 4: trailblazing through the the Pondrosa pine Duff off trail. It
Speaker 4: wasn't an actual trail. I've listened to podcasts for years
Speaker 4: and I'm always picturing things I've seen in my head.
Speaker 3: But basically it's.
Speaker 4: Just a volcanic area, sparse pondrosa pine, thin sagebrush, and
Speaker 4: ponderous pine needles which are long needles.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we were just trail blazed on the mountain bikes
Speaker 3: off road, which was crazy, and I was impressed how
Speaker 3: she did it, and it was like, cool, you can
Speaker 3: do this with me. Anyway, we came up to spot
Speaker 3: where there was a rise.
Speaker 4: It's a volcanic Back in the day, the pumas pushed
Speaker 4: up out of the Duff, So basically there's a wide,
Speaker 4: highly visible area and then there's a ridge of pumice
Speaker 4: which has been covered by duff throughout the years. We
Speaker 4: got off our bikes and we were just tripping around.
Speaker 4: I came up to a spot where there was a
Speaker 4: very young ponderosa pine with real green needles. I can't
Speaker 4: remember what time of year it was. It looked like
Speaker 4: something had pulled the needles out of the Pondrosa pine
Speaker 4: and made a nest basically like a bird's nest, but
Speaker 4: a very large bird's nest. It was right on the
Speaker 4: top of this little ridge.
Speaker 3: It's not a tall ridge.
Speaker 4: It's like basically you can trip your way down probably
Speaker 4: ten feet. But throughout the years hav an interest in
Speaker 4: this subject. I noticed that would be a perfect area
Speaker 4: to just hide in a little nest. And they were fresh.
Speaker 4: They had been pulled off of this little ponderosa pine
Speaker 4: and made in a circle basically so you could just
Speaker 4: hide yourself. And it wasn't during hunting seasons. I think
Speaker 4: it was early spring where the needles are real green.
Speaker 3: It tripped me out. I offered it up to her.
Speaker 3: I was like, what do you think about that?
Speaker 4: This is weird just to find out in the middle
Speaker 4: of the woods, basically away from any trails. There weren't
Speaker 4: any trails really around there. It's just basically like fire
Speaker 4: roads where people have made fire roads around here. You
Speaker 4: can basically drive through the pines and make a road
Speaker 4: and it won't recover, especially if people keep driving on it.
Speaker 3: But this was off of in the middle.
Speaker 4: And yeah, I'm not being highly observational at the moment,
Speaker 4: but if I could go back, I might have looked
Speaker 4: around a little more.
Speaker 3: But it just.
Speaker 4: Seemed odd and where it was placed was a perfect
Speaker 4: vantage point where you could see throughout the little valley,
Speaker 4: if you want to call it that.
Speaker 3: That's basically all.
Speaker 4: I got a few weird things actually in the same
Speaker 4: area where I'd had those experiences, the most recent ones.
Speaker 4: I was in camp I believe it was the same
Speaker 4: time I was up there with my uncle where we
Speaker 4: heard that thing thrashing the brush, and then that thing
Speaker 4: was by my head. I went to sleep in my tent.
Speaker 4: I was alone in the tent, and I woke up
Speaker 4: in the early morning before light. I would say it
Speaker 4: would be like three o'clock in the morning, just both awake,
Speaker 4: and I hear this like chattering, like teeth clicking together,
Speaker 4: and it goes by my tent. It could have very
Speaker 4: well have been a dream, but like a large teeth
Speaker 4: clattering or rocks being So that's it, man, Just quite
Speaker 4: a few little snippets of things that I've noticed in
Speaker 4: the woods here in central Organ. But yeah, they were
Speaker 4: all just interesting to my mind as a kid reading
Speaker 4: about it and for years listening to a podcasts like yours, which,
Speaker 4: by the way, man, your podcast is rad I think
Speaker 4: it's one of the best out there, and it sounds good.
Speaker 3: I got my feelers up on most of the podcasts.
Speaker 4: There's a few I've just basically deleted because it sounds
Speaker 4: like someone's reading something off of paper.
Speaker 3: But yours. You do a good job, man. It seems
Speaker 3: like you're interested in it, and that's cool. People think
Speaker 3: we're crazy, but.
Speaker 1: You wouldn't believe how many people tell me every week
Speaker 1: that I'm crazy as hell, not just for believing in
Speaker 1: Bigfoot and being interested in the subject in general, but
Speaker 1: for doing the about it and taking some of the
Speaker 1: shit that I take from people in the community because
Speaker 1: not everybody is a fan of how I approach things.
Speaker 1: I don't drink the Bigfoot kool aid, so it's very
Speaker 1: difficult for people to latch on a lot of times
Speaker 1: because I will challenge people and I talk about what
Speaker 1: I believe and what I don't believe. It's hard for people,
Speaker 1: but it's harder to do this kind of show because
Speaker 1: I want it to be a place where people can
Speaker 1: come and share their experiences without feeling like they're going
Speaker 1: to be judged, because I don't judge anybody. I had
Speaker 1: a guy on and said he had sex with a
Speaker 1: female sasquatch, dude. I will listen to anybody's story. Now,
Speaker 1: I don't know that guy's not badshit crazy, but it's
Speaker 1: his story, it's his experience, and I try to let
Speaker 1: everybody have the opportunity to do that. Let me ask
Speaker 1: you a couple of questions. I do want to go
Speaker 1: back and talk a little bit about the eye shine
Speaker 1: that you guys saw in the beginning, because that's something
Speaker 1: that's come up over and over again on the show
Speaker 1: about eyeshine and people seeing self illuminating eyes versus just
Speaker 1: regular eyeshine and some of those weird things. I know
Speaker 1: you've heard a lot of stories. What do you think
Speaker 1: about the difference in these things possibly having the ability
Speaker 1: to create their own self illuminating eye shine versus people
Speaker 1: maybe being a little hyped up on adrenaline and other
Speaker 1: things going on and then just seeing regular eye shine
Speaker 1: and thinking it something else.
Speaker 4: I think that if these things are real, in which
Speaker 4: I'm about ninety nine point three percent, that these things
Speaker 4: exist so they're few and fire between. But I think
Speaker 4: that if they do exist, they're basically nocturnal.
Speaker 3: I'm not a scientist, but it seems they.
Speaker 4: Would have I don't know how a night vision scope worked,
Speaker 4: but basically would let more light in that it would
Speaker 4: give out. I don't think they self illuminate, but I
Speaker 4: think that any light that is there, because as I'm
Speaker 4: remembering now, I'm thinking that we might have been shining
Speaker 4: a flashlight.
Speaker 3: It was so freaking long ago. I don't know, but.
Speaker 4: It seems like it would retract or reflect, basically be
Speaker 4: taking in the light that it's real and putting it
Speaker 4: out there. If you're a nocturnal creature, you're going to
Speaker 4: be dark. If that's the way you live, then you're
Speaker 4: gonna have all those abilities. I think that's basically what
Speaker 4: it would be.
Speaker 1: The other thing that gets me is about the vocalizations,
Speaker 1: the whistles, the whoops, the things that they do that
Speaker 1: draw attention to themselves. Like you said, you were going along,
Speaker 1: you heard this whistle. It wasn't a person. I'm assuming
Speaker 1: it wasn't a person. What do you think about that behavior.
Speaker 1: I think it's very interesting that something that could stay
Speaker 1: so hidden, something that can be so camouflaged and completely
Speaker 1: avoid detection. It's like they step out in front of
Speaker 1: cars and they whistle and do whoops when people are around,
Speaker 1: to draw your attention their way. What do you make
Speaker 1: of that behavior? Have you had time to think about that?
Speaker 1: Do you think that's something that they're doing or maybe
Speaker 1: it's something we just don't understand. They're vocalizing for another reason,
Speaker 1: maybe communicating with others or whatnot. What are your thoughts
Speaker 1: on the whistles, the whoops, and the vocalisation.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought about that basically, those last three things
Speaker 4: that I experienced. I think that whistle was because it
Speaker 4: was basically in the same area where I heard that
Speaker 4: growl earlier on in the month, like just sitting there
Speaker 4: basically because it was a one way in, one way
Speaker 4: out road and they don't see much traffic there.
Speaker 3: It was about six thousand foot elevation. I think it
Speaker 3: was just warning it's fellas, okay, they're coming again.
Speaker 4: And the log was across the road, Hey, this is
Speaker 4: our spot.
Speaker 3: We haven't seen people here all year, maybe you on
Speaker 3: your motorbike earlier.
Speaker 4: But when I did get to the camp, which is
Speaker 4: an old forest service camp, which is really cool.
Speaker 3: It's got old tables up there. I think it was
Speaker 3: just warning because there's plenty of lakes up there.
Speaker 4: I didn't see any deer, but I'm not a good hunter,
Speaker 4: and basically that was probably two years into my experience
Speaker 4: trying to hunt.
Speaker 3: But I think that they were able to live up there.
Speaker 4: I think that there's spot and because they don't see
Speaker 4: too much traffic, I think they're just communicating through the woods.
Speaker 3: And it was a very loud whistle. It was not
Speaker 3: a bird whistle and it was just one whistle, just
Speaker 3: like basically, yeah, that sounded good. Yeah, it sounded like that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: because I noticed shit like that.
Speaker 4: And I noticed that because my window was down right
Speaker 4: as they pulled up to that lug, it was just like, hey,
Speaker 4: they're here again. And there was no one up at
Speaker 4: the camp, no one, and it's one way in, one
Speaker 4: way out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I think about that interesting stuff.
Speaker 1: Man. I really appreciate you rescheduling coming on and talking
Speaker 1: about your experiences. Again, it doesn't have to be the
Speaker 1: big sexy I saw it from ten feet away. In
Speaker 1: my opinion, I think there's something to be gleaned from
Speaker 1: everybody's experiences. Whether it was I felt something, I heard something,
Speaker 1: I think I saw something, I smelled something. There's a
Speaker 1: little bit of data to be extracted from every single encounter.
Speaker 1: So I really appreciate you taking the time coming on
Speaker 1: and talking about it.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: It was a kind of a get this set up,
Speaker 3: but I'm glad I did. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I've been nervous throughout the whole thing, but I'm glad
Speaker 4: I got it off my chest. I've tried a few
Speaker 4: other podcasts in the past, and I'm glad we got together.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: I really enjoy your podcast. Man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely appreciate it. It's always funny to me when
Speaker 1: people say they're nervous, and I get it. Everybody's used
Speaker 1: to doing this kind of stuff. I wasn't great at
Speaker 1: it when I started it and I started talking to people.
Speaker 1: I guess I was a little nervous too.
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