WEBVTT 1 00:00:11.599 --> 00:00:44.359 Calling All Beings, y'all. Yeah, welcome back to Calling All Beings. 2 00:00:44.399 --> 00:00:49.079 I'm your host DJ. Super duper excited because my brother, 3 00:00:49.960 --> 00:00:53.359 Sergeant Peter Murphy decided to come on and explore this 4 00:00:53.520 --> 00:00:56.840 thought experiment that I did last night. We're gonna get 5 00:00:56.880 --> 00:01:01.719 to explore that with the professional What would have happened 6 00:01:02.520 --> 00:01:06.280 if the police rolled up on thirty four Fairview and 7 00:01:06.319 --> 00:01:10.439 it was a random citizen's home of whom they were 8 00:01:10.480 --> 00:01:13.480 not familiar. That is what's going on. That is the 9 00:01:13.480 --> 00:01:16.439 purpose of this episode. And thankfully I talked to this 10 00:01:16.560 --> 00:01:19.159 gentleman this evening. Hello, Phoebe. You know we're gonna say 11 00:01:19.239 --> 00:01:22.239 hid everybody in the chat, but so let me just 12 00:01:22.280 --> 00:01:25.239 say hello before we bring on our special guests. He 13 00:01:25.400 --> 00:01:29.000 was at a standout for Karen Reid today up in Massachusetts. 14 00:01:29.040 --> 00:01:31.840 I'm gonna have Hey, what's up, Miss Shorty? Gonna be 15 00:01:32.040 --> 00:01:37.680 on this show Saturday with True Crime Kangaroo, Sean McDonough, 16 00:01:38.439 --> 00:01:42.319 Nurse Kim Mas a meeting. We're gonna get into it. 17 00:01:42.400 --> 00:01:46.920 But I wanted to Hi, Ah from Charleston, South Carolina. 18 00:01:47.040 --> 00:01:53.599 What's up, Marjorie, Ernie, Ernie Birdie, How are you welcome? Queen? 19 00:01:53.680 --> 00:01:56.120 I welcome some of you. Pilgrim I saw Pilgrim in 20 00:01:56.159 --> 00:01:59.519 there anyway, welcome everybody. And so I talked to this 21 00:01:59.560 --> 00:02:02.719 gentleman today and I asked him if he would go 22 00:02:02.799 --> 00:02:05.920 through this thought experiment with and it'll be It'll be 23 00:02:06.200 --> 00:02:09.080 edifying for both me and you because I'll find out 24 00:02:09.280 --> 00:02:12.919 if what I suppose is correct, and hey, Julie, and 25 00:02:12.960 --> 00:02:15.599 I will find out if what I thought was not correct, 26 00:02:15.639 --> 00:02:20.879 because Peter knows what would have happened if police rolled 27 00:02:20.960 --> 00:02:24.520 up to thirty four Fairview and this was a random citizen. 28 00:02:25.080 --> 00:02:27.240 This is gonna be a quick show. We will be 29 00:02:27.560 --> 00:02:31.560 finished and done within one hour tonight. We know that 30 00:02:31.719 --> 00:02:34.800 our brother Mike Crawford of the Young Jerks is gonna 31 00:02:34.800 --> 00:02:38.120 be on, Hey what's up? Never forget nine one one, 32 00:02:38.240 --> 00:02:40.680 That's what's up homegirl. I don't know if you're a 33 00:02:40.719 --> 00:02:46.000 New Yorker or not. I am, and so I don't 34 00:02:46.039 --> 00:02:48.000 know how long they're going. We're only going to go 35 00:02:48.000 --> 00:02:51.759 an hour. But Mark Bedrow, our friend, Peter's friend, my friend, 36 00:02:52.919 --> 00:02:56.000 and the Young Jerks are going to be on around 37 00:02:56.080 --> 00:02:59.879 the same time. Hey what's up? Scott? Welcome back. So 38 00:03:00.560 --> 00:03:02.599 so with that, let's get started with Peter, we'll get 39 00:03:02.639 --> 00:03:04.400 into it. We're gonna be done within an hour, and 40 00:03:04.439 --> 00:03:06.439 then we'll be tuning into the young jerks as well. 41 00:03:06.919 --> 00:03:09.080 So without further ado. 42 00:03:09.319 --> 00:03:14.039 Party people put those hands together for retired can'ton p 43 00:03:14.240 --> 00:03:21.879 D Sergeant Peter Murphy. 44 00:03:22.879 --> 00:03:28.960 Yeah, thank you, thank you, DJA, thank the fans. I 45 00:03:28.960 --> 00:03:31.280 could I could hear it all in the background. 46 00:03:31.759 --> 00:03:34.680 Yeah, wait, where's my hold on? I got some applause 47 00:03:34.719 --> 00:03:36.319 here somewhere. Where's my applause? 48 00:03:36.719 --> 00:03:36.879 Oh? 49 00:03:36.919 --> 00:03:42.840 Here it is, it's down the end. Okay here Sergeant 50 00:03:42.919 --> 00:03:51.400 Peter Murphy. Alright, all right, all right, thank you, Thank you, Peter. 51 00:03:51.840 --> 00:03:54.840 So you heard you and I talked about young jerksys 52 00:03:54.879 --> 00:03:58.319 tomorrow night. Oh okay, if young jerksy is tomorrow night, 53 00:03:58.400 --> 00:04:01.159 then here we are tonight. I thought they were. I 54 00:04:01.199 --> 00:04:05.120 thought it was tonight. I think the young jerks. Thank you. 55 00:04:05.240 --> 00:04:08.319 So you're a mod obviously, Thank you, Miss Shorty. I 56 00:04:08.360 --> 00:04:11.759 appreciate it, love, and I'm really looking forward to hearing 57 00:04:11.800 --> 00:04:15.360 your views. Oh just to let you know for the roundtable, 58 00:04:15.439 --> 00:04:19.120 since Miss Shorty is listening, So the cab round table, 59 00:04:19.160 --> 00:04:24.480 and I'm going to start. Thank you, Phoebe PHOEBMC. What 60 00:04:24.600 --> 00:04:28.560 the Cab round table. Is this. You come to the 61 00:04:28.639 --> 00:04:32.720 round table with either a topic, a question, or a 62 00:04:32.800 --> 00:04:37.160 hypothesis one of those three. What you bring will be 63 00:04:37.399 --> 00:04:40.639 you will present your topic, hypothesis or question to the group, 64 00:04:40.959 --> 00:04:43.800 will go in a circular format and everyone will have 65 00:04:43.839 --> 00:04:48.319 a chance to react to what your topic is, and 66 00:04:48.360 --> 00:04:50.480 then we'll move on to the next person. They'll present 67 00:04:50.519 --> 00:04:53.279 their topic. So then we'll have a free for all 68 00:04:53.360 --> 00:04:56.439 after that. But to start off with, everyone will bring 69 00:04:56.480 --> 00:05:01.000 a topic, question, or hypothesis to the round table. So anyway, 70 00:05:01.199 --> 00:05:04.199 that's so, Missorty, be prepared to have a topic that 71 00:05:04.240 --> 00:05:08.959 you want everybody to address. Anyway, let's get it kicked off, Peter. So, 72 00:05:09.160 --> 00:05:15.519 my brother, we spoke today. Uh, let me Peter and 73 00:05:15.680 --> 00:05:22.360 Sergeant Murphy. I'm I'm ready for my uniform inspection. So 74 00:05:22.360 --> 00:05:26.079 so we spoke today, Peter about what this thought experiment 75 00:05:26.199 --> 00:05:29.240 is that I did by myself. Hey, Lily's in the house. 76 00:05:29.240 --> 00:05:33.600 That's our other another one of our guests for next 77 00:05:33.639 --> 00:05:38.639 Saturday to come to Garo Lily. Anyway, So, Peter, what 78 00:05:38.680 --> 00:05:42.600 we spoke about was if we were to assume that 79 00:05:43.519 --> 00:05:46.839 John O'Keeffe and I think it's fairly objective at this 80 00:05:46.959 --> 00:05:49.959 point that John O'Keeffe was called out for a fight, 81 00:05:50.720 --> 00:05:53.639 and he didn't want to look like a woos for 82 00:05:54.040 --> 00:05:58.600 lack of a more descriptive term, that some people associate 83 00:05:58.680 --> 00:06:04.800 with felines, and therefore he wanted to tell Karen to 84 00:06:04.839 --> 00:06:07.800 take him over to that house so that he could 85 00:06:07.800 --> 00:06:10.759 show that he wasn't afraid that I think with the 86 00:06:11.120 --> 00:06:16.639 finger point and the text message, the subsequent text message, 87 00:06:16.800 --> 00:06:19.079 I think it's fairly clear that he didn't go over 88 00:06:19.839 --> 00:06:22.800 He wasn't hanging out with those guys with the I 89 00:06:22.839 --> 00:06:26.839 know we love this Charney. Yeah, definitely, Julie, I think 90 00:06:26.839 --> 00:06:29.120 it's fairly clear that he didn't go over there. He 91 00:06:29.160 --> 00:06:31.480 wasn't hanging out with them with the bar. He certainly 92 00:06:31.519 --> 00:06:34.639 didn't want to spend his free time with those guys. 93 00:06:35.439 --> 00:06:37.279 He went over there for one reason, and that was 94 00:06:37.319 --> 00:06:39.360 to show that he wasn't afraid to turn up there. 95 00:06:39.720 --> 00:06:44.439 So now with that, in the morning, his body is 96 00:06:44.480 --> 00:06:50.360 found by Karen Reid and Carrie Roberts and Jen McCabe 97 00:06:50.680 --> 00:06:52.800 and then nine one ones called and then we have 98 00:06:52.959 --> 00:06:57.759 fire ems and police show up. So if they didn't 99 00:06:57.839 --> 00:07:01.279 know the owner of the home and they had to 100 00:07:01.360 --> 00:07:04.480 call and find out, or someone had to tell them, Yeah, 101 00:07:04.519 --> 00:07:07.160 the owner of the home is person X, who is 102 00:07:07.199 --> 00:07:11.160 not a police officer, nor was for the purposes of 103 00:07:11.199 --> 00:07:14.800 this discussion. The other person in the house who is 104 00:07:15.160 --> 00:07:18.360 alleged to have been involved in this, Brian Higgins, also 105 00:07:18.600 --> 00:07:22.560 was not a dah in our law enforcement in any way. 106 00:07:23.120 --> 00:07:26.879 So with that take it away, what happens next? 107 00:07:29.240 --> 00:07:33.480 Well, I think I think initially if we go to 108 00:07:33.959 --> 00:07:35.959 really the start of the whole incident, which would have 109 00:07:35.959 --> 00:07:41.079 been the nine to one one call, I would imagine 110 00:07:41.079 --> 00:07:45.920 that the police dispatcher and or FD hearing. 111 00:07:46.040 --> 00:07:54.560 The very bloodshilling, ice cold verbiage from Jen McCabe about 112 00:07:54.600 --> 00:07:57.879 a body man on the lawn. 113 00:08:00.079 --> 00:08:02.279 You know, it turned out we know the connection there, 114 00:08:02.319 --> 00:08:06.240 but just saying a man on the lawn. I took 115 00:08:06.279 --> 00:08:08.319 a lot of nine one one calls over the thirty 116 00:08:08.399 --> 00:08:10.120 years that I worked, Well, we didn't have nine to 117 00:08:10.120 --> 00:08:11.959 one one for thirty years, but a lot of calls, 118 00:08:11.959 --> 00:08:16.360 emergency calls. And I don't think I ever took even 119 00:08:16.439 --> 00:08:19.240 just a scratch or a boo boo on the knee. 120 00:08:19.720 --> 00:08:24.000 Never did I ever hear such a cold, almost calculating 121 00:08:25.439 --> 00:08:29.000 verbiage about a guy laying on a lawn. I just 122 00:08:29.639 --> 00:08:33.720 so anyway it started there. If I was probably working, 123 00:08:34.159 --> 00:08:38.519 I would have dispatched the whole shift, which probably at 124 00:08:38.519 --> 00:08:42.440 the time was four offices on the street, which unfortunately 125 00:08:44.279 --> 00:08:46.879 at the time and they still my canton runs a 126 00:08:46.879 --> 00:08:49.279 little lean, so they have four offices on the street. 127 00:08:49.919 --> 00:08:52.360 They do not have a desk patrolman. They have a 128 00:08:52.399 --> 00:08:55.840 desk sergeant. So the sergeant is committed to the desk, 129 00:08:57.159 --> 00:08:59.679 takes the calls for the most part on the midnight 130 00:08:59.720 --> 00:09:05.720 alone and dispatches and if there's a serious incident or 131 00:09:05.759 --> 00:09:09.200 a need from patrolman requesting a supervisor. Now you're to 132 00:09:09.240 --> 00:09:11.600 pull one of the patrolling off the street, leave a sector. 133 00:09:11.639 --> 00:09:14.879 There's four sectors in town DJ leave a sector open, 134 00:09:15.480 --> 00:09:18.600 bring a patrolling in off the street, and then you 135 00:09:18.720 --> 00:09:22.600 suit up and start to roll in the direction of 136 00:09:22.759 --> 00:09:28.440 whatever area or sector you needed in. So's there's a 137 00:09:28.480 --> 00:09:31.559 time to lay there. But I think the you know, 138 00:09:31.639 --> 00:09:35.080 I think the average person police officer, skill set trained, 139 00:09:35.120 --> 00:09:37.879 would have said, what the hell is going on with 140 00:09:37.919 --> 00:09:40.919 that phone call? There's a guy laying on the lawn. 141 00:09:42.679 --> 00:09:49.080 It just didn't have the emotional, sensational, you know, feeling 142 00:09:49.159 --> 00:09:49.399 to it. 143 00:09:49.480 --> 00:09:52.240 But anyway, can I use a word. Can I use 144 00:09:52.279 --> 00:09:55.000 a word because it was also was in trial when 145 00:09:55.039 --> 00:09:58.480 they spoke of Chloe the dog. It was disassociative. She 146 00:09:58.559 --> 00:10:02.200 wanted to disassociate, just like Brian Albert kept referring to 147 00:10:02.320 --> 00:10:05.919 Chloe is it. And I don't know a person that 148 00:10:06.200 --> 00:10:09.360 has a dog that even likes them a little bit 149 00:10:09.799 --> 00:10:12.000 that refers to their dog as an it. It's either 150 00:10:12.039 --> 00:10:16.759 a him or her. It's very disassociative, Jennifer's terminology, right. 151 00:10:17.279 --> 00:10:21.960 So you know, again, logistically starting at the first base 152 00:10:21.960 --> 00:10:25.080 at ground zero here, that would that would raise some eyebrows, 153 00:10:25.120 --> 00:10:27.759 I think to the average person taking the call, especially, 154 00:10:27.840 --> 00:10:32.720 I believe a sogeant who took that call, working from there. 155 00:10:33.960 --> 00:10:38.559 First police officer on scene would have and should have 156 00:10:38.639 --> 00:10:42.320 probably taken information from the three women on scene. One 157 00:10:42.360 --> 00:10:45.519 of them was hysterical and out of the car. Another 158 00:10:45.559 --> 00:10:48.279 one I believe was out of the car I was 159 00:10:49.000 --> 00:10:52.799 Kerry Robinson. I think jen was still in the car 160 00:10:53.519 --> 00:10:57.720 making some phone calls. And anyway, I think at that 161 00:10:57.799 --> 00:11:00.519 point the officer on sen should have been able garnish 162 00:11:00.639 --> 00:11:03.240 enough information that he or she would have been able 163 00:11:03.279 --> 00:11:08.600 to make a quick assessment. Coupled with the information that 164 00:11:08.720 --> 00:11:14.519 was provided immediately unseen visually as well, that the something 165 00:11:14.639 --> 00:11:19.080 wasn't in sequence here, something didn't fit you had, there 166 00:11:19.120 --> 00:11:22.559 were some inconsistencies of the crime scene you had. You 167 00:11:22.639 --> 00:11:25.519 had the guy, the man laying there without a hat, 168 00:11:25.600 --> 00:11:29.320 without winter clothing, without a winter jacket a Philly light 169 00:11:29.440 --> 00:11:36.600 leisure sweatshirt on. I believe, one sneaker, no hat, I 170 00:11:37.039 --> 00:11:45.080 don't believe any gloves. Evidently some trace blood in the 171 00:11:45.159 --> 00:11:51.480 snow droplets. Call it what you want, very obvious contusions. 172 00:11:52.039 --> 00:11:55.559 Hematoma to the face, the orbital aary of his eyes, swelling, 173 00:11:56.320 --> 00:12:00.000 laceration across the nose, not a major one, but obvious. 174 00:12:00.080 --> 00:12:05.639 See his face appeared to have sustained some some injuries, 175 00:12:05.840 --> 00:12:08.759 perhaps from a fight that would have been I think 176 00:12:08.799 --> 00:12:11.480 the read on anybody that arrived on that scene, police 177 00:12:11.480 --> 00:12:15.320 officer are otherwise. Does that make sense? 178 00:12:15.399 --> 00:12:15.679 So far? 179 00:12:15.720 --> 00:12:18.799 Do you have any questions on where we are right now? No? 180 00:12:18.879 --> 00:12:23.559 I mean, given with all that knowledge, the sort of 181 00:12:23.600 --> 00:12:28.799 the the premise we're working off of is that the 182 00:12:28.799 --> 00:12:32.360 the everything is as you said it was. But what 183 00:12:32.399 --> 00:12:34.440 would be their Now what I'm trying to get to 184 00:12:34.600 --> 00:12:38.200 here is what would be the next behaviors? What would 185 00:12:38.240 --> 00:12:41.080 the police be doing next after that. So, now that 186 00:12:41.200 --> 00:12:44.440 you saw what you just saw, you either you they 187 00:12:44.480 --> 00:12:48.399 told you who this person was and you and so 188 00:12:48.799 --> 00:12:51.080 if you can get into the mind because some of 189 00:12:51.120 --> 00:12:54.600 these guys were junior officers when you left, right, these 190 00:12:54.639 --> 00:12:58.360 guys had just come in, right, So can you amalgamate 191 00:12:58.440 --> 00:13:01.360 between what you would do and what you think they 192 00:13:01.360 --> 00:13:05.279 would have done as the final solution if this was 193 00:13:05.320 --> 00:13:08.600 a Rando citizen that they did not know who owned 194 00:13:08.639 --> 00:13:12.600 the home and they came upon the scene, saw those 195 00:13:12.639 --> 00:13:16.840 injuries to Officer O'Keefe, and what would be the next 196 00:13:16.879 --> 00:13:21.960 thing that would happen relative to the homeowner? Or you know, 197 00:13:22.000 --> 00:13:24.960 you call the shift down all four units. 198 00:13:25.840 --> 00:13:28.399 Right, you bring in as many resources police resources as 199 00:13:28.440 --> 00:13:32.679 you can for what appears to be a very seriously 200 00:13:32.679 --> 00:13:37.840 injured person that may or may not survive the ordeal 201 00:13:37.960 --> 00:13:43.519 or the injuries. Probably with that call you could have 202 00:13:43.600 --> 00:13:45.720 transmitted to the fire department on the nine to one 203 00:13:45.840 --> 00:13:49.480 one relay. Look at, guys, there's a couple of inches 204 00:13:49.519 --> 00:13:52.039 of snow, you know, the fire captain going down on 205 00:13:52.159 --> 00:13:55.279 scene as a couple of inches of snow. We don't 206 00:13:55.279 --> 00:13:57.799 know what we got, but try to maintain and preserve 207 00:13:57.840 --> 00:14:01.759 the crime scene. Try not to put thirty six sets 208 00:14:01.759 --> 00:14:04.519 of footsteps all around the crime scene. See what you 209 00:14:04.519 --> 00:14:07.120 can do, Maybe even take a picture. Everybody's got a 210 00:14:07.159 --> 00:14:09.679 cell phone. Maybe even take a quick picture of what 211 00:14:09.720 --> 00:14:12.840 you're coming upon in case there are tire tracks or 212 00:14:12.919 --> 00:14:18.840 tell tale footprints that would lead to a helpful investigation 213 00:14:18.879 --> 00:14:22.360 down the road. That would be the ideal situation. I'm 214 00:14:22.399 --> 00:14:24.639 not sure at six o'clock, coming off of midnight everybody 215 00:14:24.679 --> 00:14:27.960 had that throught process going DJ Budd, it would have 216 00:14:27.960 --> 00:14:31.879 been a good situation to ask the fire department please 217 00:14:31.919 --> 00:14:33.720 do what you can to preserve the footprints and the 218 00:14:33.720 --> 00:14:36.399 two inches of snow that's on the ground, because there 219 00:14:36.399 --> 00:14:43.600 would be nothing more important invaluable in any crime investigation 220 00:14:43.840 --> 00:14:46.320 than having a couple of inches of snow. I mean, 221 00:14:46.360 --> 00:14:51.879 you're going to get your foot patterns, tread pattens on shoes, sneakers. 222 00:14:53.279 --> 00:14:56.440 You could use a ruler. I know that's thinking a 223 00:14:56.480 --> 00:14:58.639 way beyond I guess there were no rulers at the 224 00:14:58.639 --> 00:15:01.039 scene that day. But there's a lot you could have 225 00:15:01.080 --> 00:15:02.879 done on the scene and the offices could have done 226 00:15:02.919 --> 00:15:06.039 as soon as more help arrived and using utilizing the 227 00:15:06.039 --> 00:15:10.080 fight apartment. I mean they're trained somewhat in crime scene preservation. 228 00:15:10.200 --> 00:15:12.279 They know what we have to do when we arrive 229 00:15:12.360 --> 00:15:14.480 if they get there first, so we could have worked 230 00:15:14.679 --> 00:15:18.399 cooperatively on the radio and maybe got something preserved or 231 00:15:18.399 --> 00:15:23.440 at least less compromising of the scene, and then we'd 232 00:15:23.440 --> 00:15:28.679 work from there. So you'd have all boots on the 233 00:15:28.679 --> 00:15:32.320 ground from the police department. People would be looking around 234 00:15:32.879 --> 00:15:39.919 trying to make some observations. I think the apparent inconsistencies 235 00:15:39.960 --> 00:15:43.960 of the person on the ground, the individual on the 236 00:15:44.000 --> 00:15:47.799 ground clothed in the manner or not clothed in the 237 00:15:47.840 --> 00:15:51.200 manner that we just described, would raise some flags. And 238 00:15:51.279 --> 00:15:53.120 I think the next thing you do right away is 239 00:15:53.639 --> 00:15:56.679 you would again take pictures of any footprints in the snow, 240 00:15:56.679 --> 00:16:00.240 and you would immediately go to the house and knock 241 00:16:00.240 --> 00:16:02.799 on the door to see if there were perhaps more victims. 242 00:16:02.879 --> 00:16:05.480 Was there a big fight inside? Was is this gentleman 243 00:16:05.559 --> 00:16:07.480 laying on the ground got a knife in his back? 244 00:16:07.519 --> 00:16:09.720 Does he have a hole in his back from a bullet? 245 00:16:09.799 --> 00:16:13.840 What the hell went on? If you don't know these people, 246 00:16:15.799 --> 00:16:19.120 there could be you know, innocent people injured or needing 247 00:16:19.320 --> 00:16:22.639 medium medical attention inside that house. At the very least 248 00:16:24.120 --> 00:16:26.639 that would that would certainly have been something to do 249 00:16:26.799 --> 00:16:32.440 again to a protective suite, make sure there's no more victims, 250 00:16:32.679 --> 00:16:37.639 would be victims laying around outside backyard. My opinion, you 251 00:16:37.679 --> 00:16:39.279 don't need a warrant to go in the backyard to 252 00:16:39.279 --> 00:16:42.039 see if there's more bodies interesting. 253 00:16:43.720 --> 00:16:47.080 Interesting. Okay, so you don't. But at what point do 254 00:16:47.120 --> 00:16:50.039 you make the determinator? First of all, thank you, miss 255 00:16:50.080 --> 00:16:53.519 Surety for the blessing. We really appreciate the super chat 256 00:16:53.720 --> 00:16:58.240 and we will get to all of those where I 257 00:16:58.600 --> 00:17:01.679 missed it. We will get to all the super cats 258 00:17:01.759 --> 00:17:03.320 and so forth at the end of the show and 259 00:17:03.360 --> 00:17:07.519 address each one. So thank you for any blessing that 260 00:17:07.519 --> 00:17:10.960 that anybody feels compelled to. And we love you anyway, 261 00:17:11.000 --> 00:17:15.240 whether you can or you can, Okay, Peter, So now 262 00:17:15.319 --> 00:17:17.920 do you get to the point now where you have 263 00:17:18.119 --> 00:17:22.119 identified the victim, you are starting to cordon off the 264 00:17:22.119 --> 00:17:25.160 crime scene and see how you can document what you're 265 00:17:25.200 --> 00:17:29.440 looking at that it's a it's a very difficult situation 266 00:17:29.640 --> 00:17:34.960 with ems, fire police plus footprints of Karen potentially Carrie 267 00:17:35.039 --> 00:17:41.599 Roberts all around the scene, et cetera, et cetera, and 268 00:17:41.640 --> 00:17:45.160 then you know, actually there could be potential foot tracks 269 00:17:45.200 --> 00:17:49.720 of somebody who may have placed John there that are 270 00:17:49.880 --> 00:17:53.799 maybe deep, you know, deeper down beneath the surface of 271 00:17:53.799 --> 00:17:56.640 of all the snow that fell. But all that said, 272 00:17:57.519 --> 00:17:59.720 you know, and you wouldn't be able to really rake 273 00:17:59.799 --> 00:18:02.759 that up and clean because if you did, it would 274 00:18:02.759 --> 00:18:06.720 be very obvious to investigating officers that those tracks were covered, 275 00:18:06.759 --> 00:18:09.680 whether it was with a snowshovel or something like that. 276 00:18:10.480 --> 00:18:12.720 And it also would look very suspicious at that time 277 00:18:12.720 --> 00:18:16.079 of night. But but that that notwithstanding, that would be 278 00:18:16.079 --> 00:18:19.440 on ring camera videos as well. I'm curious, now, at 279 00:18:19.440 --> 00:18:22.400 what point do you get to decide you're going to 280 00:18:22.480 --> 00:18:26.759 approach the door to see where the homeowner is because 281 00:18:26.799 --> 00:18:30.920 the homeowner whom you may now know who the homeowner is, 282 00:18:31.440 --> 00:18:37.240 because women at the scene Carrie Jen Karen would have said, well, 283 00:18:37.720 --> 00:18:42.119 the owner, the homeowner was with us and invited us 284 00:18:42.160 --> 00:18:46.039 to an after party here after the waterfall Rando citizen 285 00:18:46.839 --> 00:18:50.720 named Brian Smith. So so what happens now as far 286 00:18:50.799 --> 00:18:52.880 as approaching the home. 287 00:18:54.559 --> 00:18:57.039 No, that's a very good question, valid question, and I 288 00:18:57.079 --> 00:19:01.480 think at that point usually a situation like that, once 289 00:19:01.759 --> 00:19:05.079 once you get you know, officers on scene, it's usually 290 00:19:05.079 --> 00:19:10.160 the senior officer or intoor the supervisory officer. But in 291 00:19:10.200 --> 00:19:12.400 this case, I believe it was Officer Sarah, who had 292 00:19:12.400 --> 00:19:15.680 twenty seven years on the job, so he kind of 293 00:19:15.680 --> 00:19:20.119 would be the lead patrolman on the scene at the time, 294 00:19:20.599 --> 00:19:23.440 and it would be he that would perhaps, you know, 295 00:19:23.519 --> 00:19:27.640 give out some some orders, some commands, say look at 296 00:19:27.640 --> 00:19:31.000 you go there, you go here, DJ you go in 297 00:19:31.039 --> 00:19:34.440 the house, knock on the door, see if everybody's all right, 298 00:19:35.119 --> 00:19:37.680 Ask if they'll invite you in, start to gather some 299 00:19:37.720 --> 00:19:38.960 information from those people. 300 00:19:39.400 --> 00:19:41.440 All right, So I'll play the homeowner and you're the 301 00:19:41.440 --> 00:19:42.160 police officer. 302 00:19:42.839 --> 00:19:46.359 So all right, so I ring the doorbell, knock on 303 00:19:46.359 --> 00:19:51.720 the door, say, sir, are you aware that there's a 304 00:19:51.720 --> 00:19:56.640 almost mortlly wounded injured gentleman out on your lawn? No? 305 00:19:57.000 --> 00:19:58.960 That have you seen all the lights? Have you been 306 00:19:58.960 --> 00:20:00.920 out there? Do you know who would is? What happened? 307 00:20:00.960 --> 00:20:01.720 How they got there? 308 00:20:02.240 --> 00:20:05.119 No, we were sleeping. I had no idea who is. 309 00:20:05.079 --> 00:20:14.039 It you were sleeping? You slept through the sirens. It appears, 310 00:20:14.839 --> 00:20:17.359 perhaps from what we saw or what we've gotten from 311 00:20:17.359 --> 00:20:22.839 the the e mts, that this gentleman, because we accessed 312 00:20:22.839 --> 00:20:25.599 his clothing and his body in the ambulance. We checked 313 00:20:25.640 --> 00:20:28.960 to see if there's any injuries. Could there have been 314 00:20:29.000 --> 00:20:31.319 a dog in the house with a dog prints on 315 00:20:31.359 --> 00:20:35.599 the outside? You start to try to develop some information 316 00:20:35.759 --> 00:20:37.519 DJ that from you. 317 00:20:38.839 --> 00:20:43.880 Yeah, I he never came in the house, so I 318 00:20:44.400 --> 00:20:44.759 don't know. 319 00:20:45.279 --> 00:20:48.160 Okay, Well, he never came in the house, and you 320 00:20:48.200 --> 00:20:49.920 didn't know he was You didn't know he was out 321 00:20:49.920 --> 00:20:54.559 on the lawn. Okay, it doesn't appear to us. That 322 00:20:56.640 --> 00:20:59.319 doesn't appear to us. We don't know how we got there, 323 00:20:59.400 --> 00:21:01.559 and we're hoping you can give us some information. Are 324 00:21:01.599 --> 00:21:03.400 there people in the house right now that may need 325 00:21:04.119 --> 00:21:08.160 police or medical attention? Can you describe how many people 326 00:21:08.200 --> 00:21:12.680 in the house? Can you give us your name, your information? Well, 327 00:21:12.759 --> 00:21:13.839 how many people are in the house. 328 00:21:14.599 --> 00:21:18.079 My name's Brian Smith. It's just me, my wife and 329 00:21:18.119 --> 00:21:20.880 my son here. Now. There was you know, up to 330 00:21:20.960 --> 00:21:23.920 ten people here last night, but he wasn't one of them, 331 00:21:24.440 --> 00:21:27.000 so he never came in the house. 332 00:21:27.799 --> 00:21:32.839 Okay. Could I please request you, sir, to have your 333 00:21:32.839 --> 00:21:35.839 family members that are president in the house come downstairs 334 00:21:36.319 --> 00:21:38.480 so I can speak to them. Oh, by the way, sir, 335 00:21:38.480 --> 00:21:40.519 would you mind if I take a protective suite through 336 00:21:40.599 --> 00:21:43.519 your house? Into your basement and upstairs, just to see 337 00:21:43.559 --> 00:21:47.440 and make sure there are no blaring inconsistencies of what 338 00:21:47.480 --> 00:21:50.039 you're telling me. In the fact that this gentleman out 339 00:21:50.079 --> 00:21:51.599 on the lawn looks like he was in a fight, 340 00:21:51.680 --> 00:21:53.319 and now you've just told me that there were twelve 341 00:21:53.359 --> 00:21:54.599 people at your house last night. 342 00:21:55.160 --> 00:21:56.400 I mean, do you have a warrant? 343 00:21:57.279 --> 00:21:59.359 No, I don't, sir, I don't have a warrant right now. 344 00:21:59.559 --> 00:22:03.200 I'm asking for some cooperation. If you're willing to give it, 345 00:22:03.240 --> 00:22:06.240 that's great. If you're not, I still would like to 346 00:22:06.240 --> 00:22:08.279 have you bring those people forward so I can talk 347 00:22:08.319 --> 00:22:11.920 to them and confirm that they're all right. If you're 348 00:22:11.920 --> 00:22:14.240 not willing to get me give me a warrant or 349 00:22:14.440 --> 00:22:17.920 authorization consent, then I will apply for a warrant right away. 350 00:22:19.039 --> 00:22:22.359 There's just too many inconsistencies and that gentleman laying out 351 00:22:22.400 --> 00:22:25.960 there on the lawn and your stories. You haven't come out, 352 00:22:26.000 --> 00:22:27.920 you didn't hear anything going on, you slept through it. 353 00:22:29.880 --> 00:22:32.119 I don't know. We've got a problem here, and I'd 354 00:22:32.119 --> 00:22:34.079 like you to give me consent to go through your house. 355 00:22:34.119 --> 00:22:36.480 If you don't have anything to hide, what should you 356 00:22:36.480 --> 00:22:37.200 be worried about? 357 00:22:37.799 --> 00:22:39.880 I'm sorry, officer. I'm just I'm in a habit of 358 00:22:40.039 --> 00:22:42.359 it's my home and if you want to come in 359 00:22:42.359 --> 00:22:44.480 and see it, you're going to have to have a warrant. 360 00:22:44.480 --> 00:22:47.359 But I I'm you know, and I'll get my lawyer 361 00:22:47.400 --> 00:22:49.039 on the phone. But no, I'm not just going to 362 00:22:49.119 --> 00:22:50.519 allow you in the house. So if you come back 363 00:22:50.519 --> 00:22:54.200 with a warrant, yeah, then that's what you're going to 364 00:22:54.240 --> 00:22:55.440 need if you want to get in the house. 365 00:22:56.119 --> 00:22:59.359 Okay, Well, for now, let's just have the family members 366 00:22:59.359 --> 00:23:01.000 that you've mentioned in the house. Let's have them come 367 00:23:01.039 --> 00:23:03.599 down here and we'll sit everybody on the couch and 368 00:23:03.680 --> 00:23:06.359 see if we can come up with a solution to 369 00:23:06.400 --> 00:23:08.319 what's going on out there. And we'll wait for more 370 00:23:08.359 --> 00:23:13.799 medical updates from the personnel that are attending to the victim. 371 00:23:14.119 --> 00:23:16.880 And at that point, I would I would ensure that 372 00:23:16.920 --> 00:23:21.880 as the victim is boarded and put into the ambulance, 373 00:23:22.240 --> 00:23:26.400 that a police officer would accompany the victim to the 374 00:23:26.400 --> 00:23:29.799 hospital for the obvious reasons, they could make observations of 375 00:23:29.880 --> 00:23:33.880 the of the injuries and get updates from the medical 376 00:23:33.920 --> 00:23:38.599 personnel as they remove clothing, cut clothing off, and if 377 00:23:38.640 --> 00:23:42.400 there's injuries that were not seen. And now at this 378 00:23:42.480 --> 00:23:45.079 point you're probably going to obviously see his right arm 379 00:23:45.200 --> 00:23:48.640 and forum that are going to have apparent lacerations and 380 00:23:48.640 --> 00:23:53.720 puncture wounds. What you could, you know, start to ask 381 00:23:53.759 --> 00:23:56.920 it the homeowner, Hey, what's going on with that? Do 382 00:23:57.240 --> 00:24:00.480 you own a dog? This guy's all looks like he's 383 00:24:00.480 --> 00:24:02.359 all chewed up. What's your dog's named? Do you have 384 00:24:02.400 --> 00:24:06.200 a dog? Yeah? Over there on the kitchen floor from 385 00:24:06.200 --> 00:24:07.400 where I'm standing. 386 00:24:07.480 --> 00:24:10.519 Yeah, I have I have a dog. I have dog Chloe. Yeah, 387 00:24:10.759 --> 00:24:14.880 you know, female German shepherd. And I'll get my wife, Honey, 388 00:24:15.279 --> 00:24:19.200 come down. The officer wants to ask you some questions, so, 389 00:24:19.519 --> 00:24:21.440 you know, get her down there. Thank you very much, 390 00:24:21.480 --> 00:24:24.480 Tiger for the tip. We greatly appreciate it. If you 391 00:24:24.559 --> 00:24:27.279 end up having a Julie has some questions too, so 392 00:24:27.319 --> 00:24:29.680 we got to get we gotta get Julian. Julia is 393 00:24:29.720 --> 00:24:32.839 our cab chat moderator, so we got to get her 394 00:24:32.839 --> 00:24:36.640 in there. Uh so uh, we'll break character for a second, Peter, 395 00:24:36.720 --> 00:24:38.759 and then we'll go we're doing good in the I 396 00:24:38.759 --> 00:24:41.319 think we could have taken acting over a Dean College, 397 00:24:41.680 --> 00:24:44.799 so we could have taken dramatic arts instead of law. Enforcement. 398 00:24:45.839 --> 00:24:49.920 So all right, So was Chloe ever outside out front 399 00:24:49.960 --> 00:24:56.319 alone or accompanied for audies? They had a fenced in backyard, 400 00:24:56.400 --> 00:24:58.079 is when I know Jules. I don't know if Peter 401 00:24:58.279 --> 00:25:00.160