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Speaker 1: Oh it please, oh please?

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Speaker 2: What prevents thee from Australian thyself to one whom I

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have created with my hands?

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Speaker 1: What his hands mean?

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Speaker 3: Here?

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Speaker 1: Uh?

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Speaker 2: So it does the hands this verse to speak about

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like the hand of a love but in a contexta.

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Speaker 1: What does you mean he created with his hands? Bond?

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I want Armando's position. I want to see what does

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it mean it with his hands.

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Speaker 2: Like in states like I see it as like a

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lot of absolute power and control.

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Speaker 1: Over actual We created Adam with his power, right right?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 1: But did he create a Blase with his power?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: So then what's the difference between a bliss creation Adam?

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Because understand the argument all I told the angels bow

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down to Adam. A Blase said no, and Ablase he

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tells the police, why didn't you bow down to created

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my hands? But hold on, if a Blease was created

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by Alla's hands, then what kind of argument is this

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Allah saying, look, I honored Adam, I created with my hands.

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You should bow to him. But then the Blice could

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have said, but you created me with your hands too.

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So how can hands mean power? Because that means even

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Satan was created by all?

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Speaker 2: I mean, the conder is no mention of it blease

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being created specifically with a lost hands like in that term.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and if you read the Sunny narrations or the scholars,

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I'll say Allah distinguished few things with his hand. He

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wrote the Torah with his hand. He created Adam with

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his hand, right, so here was created and I said

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the Sunny.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and then I.

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Speaker 1: Hope, let's make it simple so Jay can take over. Okay,

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let me make sule. If hands means Allah's power, then

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how did Allah refute it blease? Because I want you

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to see the context here it blease? Why didn't you

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bow to add them or my creator my hands? So

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here he's showing that Adam is worthy of the angels

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to bow down to him because he created with his hands.

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But if hands means power, he created it least with

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his hands, So what's the big deal?

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Speaker 6: He made him by fire and I'm and I'm earth.

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Speaker 1: And so he didn't create a lease with his hands, right, Pablo.

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Speaker 6: He created my I'm made out of fire. You created

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him out of out of earth.

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Speaker 1: But he says I created him with my hands. Did

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he create a bleast with his hands?

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Speaker 6: I'm not sure if that means like forming him with

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his hands. I'm I'm not.

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Speaker 1: Whatever hands Okay, form at least from fire with his hands.

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Speaker 4: He doesn't say anywhere they created with.

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Speaker 5: You, don't.

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Speaker 1: You guys are not getting the argument.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So okay, your argument is if if all hands

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miss power and and a lot created the blessed with power,

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and so he created Adam with the hands, So why

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is so that's the argument, right?

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Speaker 7: That's not the celeffie the self the cellaffee say, guys,

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take yeah that conversations.

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Speaker 1: The celoffee say this is I got this from the

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self and others. They said, No, I.

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Speaker 5: Love you, I love you, I love you too. Let's go.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to go talk to but because you guys

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are not listening, love me to listen. Okay, hey, but

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so much I can't make the point.

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Speaker 6: Go ahead, Sam, I'm listening to you, Bro.

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Speaker 1: I know you are, Bro. That's what I said. But

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we got to do someone a mando.

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Speaker 8: Bro.

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Speaker 1: Shoot anyway, I'm listening.

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Speaker 5: I'm listening.

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Speaker 4: Okay.

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Speaker 1: The celaffie say, if the hands of a law means

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his power, I'm not created everything by his power, and

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that means there was no point for all to say

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to a blase a blase, I created my hands, because

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I'll also created it least with his hands.

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Speaker 5: They day.

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Speaker 1: This must mean that Allah created Adam differently from a bliz. Yes,

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that means he created him with his hands, which means

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actual hands, not power. Because of power. Allah created even

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at least with his power, it wouldn't be different. That's

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their art. So if it means power, there's no argument

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that I was making because Allah created a lease with

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his hands, Adam with his hands, because it only means power.

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But argument here is to show look at please, I

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created you. But I created Adam differently. I created with

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my hands, so it cannot mean power. That's the argument

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of the cellar. He is not my argum. So why

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are they all?

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Speaker 4: Okay?

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Speaker 2: So we are attributing the meaning of hands according to a context.

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So for example, when you see the creation of the

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bleas the Satan, whatever, it's not specifically mentioned in the

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Quran that he was created with God's hands.

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Speaker 4: He was created among the jins, and he adored a lot.

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Speaker 2: According to the story, if I'm not incorrect, he loved

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a lot so much he was raised to the angels.

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But he was made out of smokeless fire, and then

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Adam al Salam, Peace and blessings be upon hands. He

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was created out of clay, so when God commanded everybody

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to bow down to his creation, and so that's how

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I understand it. But Hans Hans in the context means

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that just like hands can be in protection, just like

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hands can be guidance according to contexts.

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Speaker 1: Pablo, do you believe a lot has a hand?

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Speaker 6: I believe what I read that he has a hand.

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Speaker 1: He says he has power or is it.

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Speaker 9: In a hand?

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Speaker 4: Uh?

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Speaker 6: He said he created stuff by just saying no be

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ku kun, and so I don't know if he created

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them like that or he.

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Speaker 1: You know, have a hand. That's something.

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Speaker 2: Means like being it is.

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Speaker 1: I know what means, buddy, But I'm asking about the pablom.

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Earlier you said that Allah has a hand. That soundlike anything.

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So does he have a hand?

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Speaker 10: Uh?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, he says he has it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So now you guys debate what's why he's saying

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that here, hands means power, but you're saying no, Alla

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has a hand. I'm like anything. So which one of

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you should be following? I want to becme Muslim? Should

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I follow Armando.

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Speaker 4: Or you.

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Speaker 6: Should follow your heart. You should follow yeay man, your.

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Speaker 4: Truth fellow, your heart, Sam, what does your heart tell

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you about this?

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Speaker 1: Well? Gohad Jay, you can take it from you brother.

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So I just wanted to make the verification. That's the

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because this is the argument sell if you're not me.

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And by the way, Jay, can you confirm these are

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the argument supposed to metaphysician used to Shoola has hands

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in your debate?

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean I have multiple books about Muslims debating

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this very issue.

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Speaker 6: So I appreciate y'all because I'm gonna look into this.

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Speaker 1: So contact me on Skype. Should we go live, I

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want to talk to you absolutely.

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Speaker 12: All Right, Well, I think that's that's the limit with this,

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but we're gonna move on.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate Pablo and Armando for coming up. You guys

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are thank y'all.

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Speaker 6: Thank y'all for coming out. H he'll be here a week.

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Speaker 9: Oh man, thanks for having us.

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Speaker 6: Pablo, Yes, yes, uh yes, I wanted to ask y'all question,

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but we rate well that time on y'all teaching.

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Speaker 1: Contact me on Skype. You can go live and me

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ask me questions. That's what I'm saying. Contact me.

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Speaker 11: I mean we should add that most of the known

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popular Muslim defenders believe that all actually has a hand. Yeah,

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all of the people that you hear Muslim lantern and

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sneak o and uh you know, h job, all those

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guys Jake that they're of that same school.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, uh uh to.

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Speaker 6: My Muslim brother, venezuela Latinos Latinos do.

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Speaker 4: You know Latino?

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Speaker 1: There you go.

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Speaker 4: Yes, that's your key.

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Speaker 5: For me.

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Speaker 4: Like, I just wanted to ask a question.

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Speaker 5: I do have a question.

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Speaker 4: The next guest.

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Speaker 1: No, man, come on, yeah, man, if you want to

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talk to you.

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Speaker 6: I got you saying I got you, brother, I'm a

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con take I got you.

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Speaker 11: These guys, I don't know if like if so if

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you were supposed to kill people centuries ago over the

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issue of all having a hand. But now it's all cool,

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Like which which one is it? Do we do? You

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go to war? Is everything cool now?

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Speaker 12: Well, in twenty twenty four Islam, it's different now, Jay,

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I mean, gocha literally, we are getting now that Allah

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is actually a mother in some sense that if you

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mean it, because they're using what they're calling out analytical truths.

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So Allah in the correct meaning is a mother in

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some sense. Now they're saying that in twenty twenty four.

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So it's amazing Islam is forever changing and flowing differently.

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Speaker 4: All right, so all right, let's go ahead and bring

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up seeker. Seeker, you are up?

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Speaker 9: How are you.

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Speaker 5: Hello? Can you hear me?

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Speaker 4: Yes, we can hear you? Just fine?

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Speaker 5: Oh, thank you. Yeah, I'm not here for a debit.

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As I mentioned it in the private chat, I'm a

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Muslim and making sure I've been doubtful about my religion,

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I think since two years back because I know some

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Christian prints. I got a discussion with them and debate,

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not debate like he used to talk. Then I'm a

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practice Muslim, like I'm a core Muslim. I practice everything,

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like that stuff. So at that moment I started to

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where I'm like being doubtful. And the thing is when

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you know, do wise and then but they don't want

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to speak to me. They call me like murthed because

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of like, yeah, the questions whature have you know, like

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they don't want to directly answer you and when I

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just need the explanation, they don't answer. So so my

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discretion friend, she's a she can Arabic. So that helped

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me lots because she has helped me and showed me

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a lot of hadid like she could help me at

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the same time. And that's I'm step now. I don't

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know where to like go because I've seen the logic

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extension on some of your debates and some of your

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like YouTube videos, and I don't know like what to choose.

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So this is my person speaking and I'm looking for

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like a good help, a good guidance what to do.

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Speaker 12: Well, if you are sincere, we praise God for bringing

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you here. Man, he came to the right place. So

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go go ahead and ask your question. We've got some

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qualified people here, Jay and Sam and myself.

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Speaker 4: So you know we're trying to deal with your question.

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So what is it?

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Speaker 5: Man?

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Speaker 12: What's uh? What are you confused about? Where you lost that?

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What are you wondering? What's most heavy.

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Speaker 4: On your mind? I guess with what you're trying to do.

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Speaker 5: Of course, one of the reasons like why I was

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talkful about Islam, it's when it's come to the slavery

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and I've been trying to read about the slavery how

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it's in the like, yeah, in the Christian Sorry mind,

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it's not so good because I don't I don't speak

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Speaker 4: That's okay, So I need just yeah, you're asking about

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slavery and Christianity in the Bible.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so I've been because I know when I was

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last I was in Double Vice, and I bring this

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topic up and they give me some of the words.

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did it like back on. I checked the context. So

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I get most of the answers. But there's one thing

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I don't really get. It's when it's come to the

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you know, throw me twenty one marry your slaves. Especially

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there's one particularly in at the end of the sentence.

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I don't really get it. It's like, if you're not

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please with her, let her go. So what I need

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to understand there iss twenty one.

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Speaker 1: Maybe maybe a misunderstanding.

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Speaker 5: You do you to know me? Twenty one? It was

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ten to fourteen nine.

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Speaker 1: I guess okay, I'm over here at Derremania twenty one

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ten or fourteen. It's not about marrying your slave. It's

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about having two wives, one you hate, one you love.

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Speaker 5: I can mix up with the number, but it's just.

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Speaker 4: Marrying marrying a capital one.

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Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, marning a captain, marrying the captain a

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captive movement. So what I want to just basically.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I got yeah, good, yeah, yeah, you're right.

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to be You're right. I apologies. So what about it again?

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Speaker 5: Okay? I want to understand from these words, is there

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like consent?

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Speaker 4: How did I get it from there?

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Speaker 1: Let mean, yeah, I got to be comforted. I'm sorry,

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I was thinking of another first having two wives. Sorry,

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my friend, Hey, man, what you got me here for?

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Speaker 4: Man?

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Speaker 1: Thank you for my back. So go ahead. I just

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wanted to know what you're talking about.

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Speaker 5: Yes, this words, because basically now I'm trying to ask

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Muslims also like when it comes to slavery, I've read

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some and I.

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Speaker 1: Don't saying I can't here, honestly I can't. What do

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we say?

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Speaker 12: Basically, he's asking in when it comes to the marrying

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the captive woman, is there consent?

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Speaker 9: There? Is she being forced?

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Speaker 4: Is it about rape.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, no, that's not about rape. But I can

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answer now chany do you want to say something or

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you want to jump into that, it's up to you.

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Speaker 11: Well, this is an argument a lot of people try

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to bring up that Christianity allows rape. If you go

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back to Genesis, the story with Dinah, I mean, rape

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is already forbidden in Genesis. Rapees also forbidden in Mosaic law.

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So this is captive women in warfare, and that you

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had to treat them with certain levels of dignity, which,

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by the way, was revolutionary in the ancient world. So no,

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it's nothing to do with rape or prep bestent girls.

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Speaker 5: Yep.

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Speaker 1: In fact, if you screen share, if you've actually read

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it in the context, if you want to scare my

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screen I got it up. Okay, Sorry, I don't know

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why I had a brain freeze about loving one Ahac

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in my mind sometimes Okay, Doronomy twenty one ten or fourteen,

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I was confusing with fifteen to seventeen. Oka, arge it free, buddy,

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because I'm going to show you. I'm going to line

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up two verses. So you heard what Jay said. Now

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I'm going to show you from the passage what Jay said. Okay,

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so you heard what he said. You're going to war.

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Now you have women whose family right have died in war,

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because that's what happens, whether we like or not. War

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is part of life. This is the world we live in.

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So we can't live in a fantasy where we're thinking

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there won't be wars and there won't be people killed now,

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unlike what we have in Islam. You know this in

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Islam because I want to compare this law that comes

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twenty twenty years before Mohammad with Mohammad, chapter fours twenty

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four of the Crown. It says that you can take

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even married women or are captive and sleep with them,

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even with their husband's alive, and sell them.

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Speaker 5: That's in Islam.

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Speaker 1: That's chapter fours twenty four, and the sound headith so hey, Hadie,

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Now I want you to see the difference here. They're

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run to be twenty month in or fourteen. If you

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go out about against your enemies. See it's a battle,

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and now your God gives them over into your hands

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and you take them away, take them away captive. Seeing

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among the captives a beautiful woman, set your affection on her.

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You take her as a wife. Number one. You can't

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have sex with her. She's not a slave for you

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to have sex with. That's number one. You have to

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marry her, give her the status and dignity of a wife.

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Then you shall bring her home to your house, and

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you shall shave her head and trim her nails, so's

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you're gonna let her mourn sign a morning. Now, this

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also does another thing. If she shaves her head, she's bald.

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This will make sure to be a deterrent. You're not

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just lusting for her, right. Can you imagine a woman

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to look like me? Bald? Would you want to marry

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someone like me?

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Speaker 9: Anyway?

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Speaker 1: You get the point so far?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah, time they think.

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Speaker 1: She shall also move the clothes of her captivity. She

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will remain your house and weep for her father mother

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full month. Give her a whole month to moon family,

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and after that you may go into her and be

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her husband. She shall be your wife. Now watch the

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difference here, and it'll be that if you do not

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desire her, then you shall let her go wherever she wishes,

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But you shall certainly not sell her for money. You

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shall not mistreat her because you have humbled her, meaning

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because she was taken a captive. Now you divorce her.

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She's not your property.

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Speaker 4: Can't sell this.

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Speaker 1: Unlike to snap, I can take women captive married women,

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grape them, sell them. No, you can't do that. Now,

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this is not twenty first century. At that time, in

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those that culture, women for all intents and purposes, remain

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in their father's houses until they were married. Then they

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would remain in their husband's houses. And if they had

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children and the husband die, then their children would protect them.

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It is not like today where women can go get

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their own apartment and do their own thing. A lot

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of its historical culture contact women who are left o

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would be the prey for predators, for people to come

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and rape them and enslave them. This is actually a

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you mean treatment because her family's killed. So you don't

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then add insulting Julie injury. By take her as a

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slave and graping her, you show her dignity and make

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her a wife, giving her the full status and the

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same rights of an is you like wife? But now

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if you don't like each other, you don't like her,

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and you divorce her, you gotta let her go. But

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that's the same thing for wives in general.

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Speaker 5: Here just a small point. You say, what what I

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need to under from death.

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Speaker 1: You gotta speak louder, I can't hear you if you

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can't hear uh huh.

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Speaker 5: So what I mean there from that was can she

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have any saying like can she say yes or no?

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At the same time, can sheild the divorce? Because that's

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what I need to understand. Last three sentences.

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Speaker 1: Like the last three sentences, even if you want to

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go with that, she has no choice, which I'll answer that.

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Why are you ignoring the fact that in that cultural

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context to give her this kind of dignity and not

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sell her as property was revolutionary? Are you getting that point?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, So what you're doing is you're reading

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it from the twenty first century. You're not looking at

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from its cultural context. The fact that he can't sell

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her off as property, but must divorce her and then

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allow her it to go watch her center away, is

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not allowed to take her again to be his wife,

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right she has been by not watch here to watch

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her for that is an a moment. I'm sorry bringing

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them say, I'm telling you I'm getting old, mister. Sorry, okay, okay,

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not watch her anybody that if you do not desire

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then you shall let her go. Wherever she wishes. Did

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that not answer your question? She wishes? Did you not

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see that part? It's her choice right here, you shall

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let her go wherever she wishes. I was reading the

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wrong one. Sorry, do you see that? Now?

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Speaker 5: Answer you means, so she can't choose to stay or

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she can go.

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Speaker 1: So that's there's a divorce. Obviously she's not going to

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stay married. But what it means is she is now

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free to settle anywhere because she's not your property. She's

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not a slave that you can just grape and sell

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off like what Muslim's going to have to mention that

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because this is twenty twenty years before the time of Muhammad.

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So do we get that first point?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah, yes, okay.

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Speaker 1: So line of its cultural context, this is revolutionary and

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it's not me saying it. You have even critical scholars

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who study the ancient Near Eastern content that says this

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law is revolutionary. Here, let me show it to you,

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and I'm gonna answer your question. I'm not going bet.

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I just want you to read carefully, not read it like,

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oh my goodness, look Gotha. Yeah, because you're dealing with

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a different context right here. Let me bring it up

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a note on the humanitarian character of Doronomy twenty one

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ten or fourteen. Right here it is let me just

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read one commentary where you go. The law focuses on

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the rights of the woman by stating that the man

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who marries a female president of war and subsequently becomes

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to satisfied with her for whatever reasons, is not permitted

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to reduce her to slavery. Such a woman had legal

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rights in ancient Israel, and moral obligations ensue from the

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fact that the man initiated sexual relationship with her. Perhaps

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the most significant conclusion to draw from this text is

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the respect for the person of a captured woman. You

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got it. Primary concern laws.

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Speaker 5: Of the Dorouna.

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Speaker 1: Is for protecting the poor and vulnerable in society from

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exploitation on the part of the powerful. So this was

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actually a way of protecting her from being exploited. So

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in light of its context, it's revolutionary is another one.

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This law exceptionally seeks to provide for the human rights

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of the woman who falls into this predicament. The vermina

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is also something useful rape not in this context, though,

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and its employment here stringently suggests that the sexual exploitation

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of captain woman even in a legally sanctioned arrangement of

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concubinage is equivalent to rape. See God to saying if

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you take a woman as a slave and then you

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force yourself on her, you're raping her just because she's

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a captive. So you can't do that. You must treat

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her as a woman, give her the rights of a wife,

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and treat her like an Israelite woman. So, if I

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read in its context, this was revolutionary, showing you that

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God not only cares for Israeite woman, he cares for

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gentile women. Do we get that first point?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: The second point to answer your question, this is where

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we have a problem in that when the Bible is written,

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these instructions were to be explained by the priests and

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they would have to deal with situations not clearly spend

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out in the law, meaning the law given is a summary,

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succinct part of life that the priest would then have

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to take by a case by case baby basis and

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explain and apply for circumstances not covered in the law.

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In other words, what I'm saying is the question of

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her choice or not it's not addressed here. But that

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doesn't mean she did not have a choice. It means

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I don't have enough of the background because I'm not

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there with Moses and the priest to know what Moses

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would have said to them orally, I only have what

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is written. But the principle is here. Let me show

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you the principle. Let me show what the principle is.

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That you cannot force her against her will right here again,

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right then you shall let her go wherever she wishes.

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See that principle says she's a human with dignity and

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value and you must respect her desires. So that's what

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I can tell you.

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Speaker 5: Great, that's like one of the things because I've been

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reading this and this last point that I couldn't really understand.

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So thank you for explaining.

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Speaker 1: You understand and it's context's revolutionary.

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Speaker 5: You know, I need to like understand it again. I

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will listen it back. But from what I get right now,

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this part with what she wishes, it's explained a lot

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because that's not in the love like just exactly like

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she I know, lots of hadits like where it's you're

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not like you cannot marry them because they say, I know,

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they use one of the work from the Kuran, like

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Maddy the right hand processes, but it's not regular like yeah,

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because they use that as an argument like you have

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to marry them also, but I know some of the habits.

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Speaker 1: You know, in four twenty four it says forbiden to

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your married women except your right hands possess. So that

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means if there's a married woman, I can take her,

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if she's my right I'm possession and marry her. Why

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am I marrying her when she's already married? See that

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doesn't make sense?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know because even the prophet he have like

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wives and concubines, so they were there. Yeah, if they

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were wives, so why should they counted as the wife's

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It wouldn't be there concumbines.

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Speaker 1: But you see the difference between Islam and that kurands

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not only you can take single women captive and grape

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them and sell them off, even if they're married.

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Speaker 5: You can do that.

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Speaker 1: Notice the difference here. You can't take a married woman

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who's already married. She's got to be a single woman.

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That's why it says who'shi mourning? Her father and mother

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doesn't say husband, only a woman who's single, and then

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you marry her. You don't even grape her and you

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can't sell her. You can't touch your section as you

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marry her. This was revolutionary at that time.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, because if you know, also they in Hadid like

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you sell your both the slaves and the mother of

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the slaves, which also contradicts because you're not allowed to

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if you have a child from a slave woman, you're

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not allowed to sell them. U valid, But it also

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contradicts in the Hadid where the people practice that like

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two centuries like up to a smum and then they

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change it.

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Speaker 1: But that's a different Yeah. But brother, that's what I

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can tell you.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 1: Remember we have to be careful. Just because something not

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spelled out in the law doesn't mean that's it. Because

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the historical context, this law was given to the priests,

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they were instructed by Moses and Aaron. They would have

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to be thoroughly instructed on how to apply the letter

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of the law because there'd be situations now address law,

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and the priest would have to know how to then

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apply each command to each situation. It's much more complex.

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All we have is a written record. This was a

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living community that took the law, and this law would

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have to be expounded and explained and applied by the

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priest and as well as the prophets. But anyway, that's

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my answer, thank you.

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Speaker 5: One last question also, I won't take it time. So

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there's also you know about this when it's come to life.

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How is Bible reliable in that case? Because what I understand,

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the Bible is not changed. But they are like, like,

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if you can explain to me, like because people always

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use this argument, you know, as a Muslim, they said,

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Bible is change. You cannot trust all these different versions.

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So just a quick explanation, like how can I trust?

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Because the first thing for me was like if Jesus

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God or not? So I'm almost convinced about it because

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I've seen many of your debates or not. Okay, but yeah,

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so I've seen those arguments and I've seen your lives.

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In that case, I'm sure. But the last point of

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what I do understrand is Bible reliable? Like because of

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these different versions whish to bring up I would like

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to hear from you.

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Speaker 1: He's convinced that the Bible that's shore Jesus is God,

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but he doesn't know if he can trust the authority

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the Bible. What because he's convinced the Bible Jesus is

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God going Bible. But that's the question, why should we

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trust the Bible? Now, Jay, you want to say anything,

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don't want to keep hog because I feel like I'm

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haugging everything.

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Speaker 11: No, I'm happy with you answer giving great answers. I

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was just going to say, although it's not exactly what

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he's arguing. The other day we had a bunch of

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atheists trying to make a similar type of argument. All

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the babble condones rape. Deuteronomy says, you can you know

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rape and all this, it's not true. Genesis thirty four,

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in the story of Shikham and Dinah, it specifically says,

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in verse I think seven or eight, six and seven,

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it says that they were shocked and furious because Sheikha

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had done an outrageous thing in Israel by raping Jacob's daughter.

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I think that should never be done. So it's just

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simply not true that a lot of these you know, Muslims,

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borrow atheist arguments and they try to say that Deuteronomy

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and all this, it's just not true.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Lord of Gods. So to answer your question, you

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ready for the answer, Yeah, I can't can here?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, Because it's just a quick note only because

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i'd be reading you can explain this this johann in Koma.

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I think I believe it says like.

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Speaker 1: Like brother, let me, let me, let's use some common sense. First,

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John five seven, that's what you're talking about. How would

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I know if it's not authentic? If I didn't have

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enough manuscripts to tell me what John actually wrote? Answer

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that question for me. Okay, you just said they said

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see for John five seven, the word says there are

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three that record heaven. The Father would only spirit these

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fair one. Okay, see it's not authentic. How do you

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know it's not authentic? Authentic? If you don't know what

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John originally wrote? What's the answer.

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Speaker 5: I don't get to your question. Sorry, can you repeat

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it again?

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Speaker 1: How do you know? First, John five seven is not authentic?

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Speaker 5: You don't know if you don't have the original or

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if you don't have that.

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Speaker 1: In other words, you don't know what he originally wrote. Yeah,

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for me, it as say this is not authentic, means

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I know what he originally wrote.

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Speaker 5: True? Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Secondly, how do I know what he originally wrote? Because

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this is a fact, I'm gonna have to go off

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camera for a second. Sorry, But because I got a

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cat we have. This is I need you to listen

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because this is something even skeptics admit. We have over

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twenty five thousand manuscripts of the books of the Bible

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in various languages. We have over five thousand, nearly ten

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thousand Latin. We have about five three hundred copies in

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Greek of the New Testament. Then you have all these versions.

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What's my point, these copies different languages, written at different

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times in different places by different individuals. If you compare them,

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the variations or what we expect when you copy by hand,

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you may have to Does that mean there?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it might be you, isn't me?

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Speaker 5: Where's it?

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Speaker 4: Crum though, I don't hear any.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I'm here, Brett Okay, anyway, I think man, I

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got a gin in my computer. Anyway, Now, if you're listening,

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Seekert want you to listen to this. Okay. If something

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is copied by hand, something's copied by hand, you're gonna

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expect copyists. They're gonna make mistakes. That's just part of copy.

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That's true of every book written prior to the printing press.

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It's true of Koran manuscripts. No Koran manuscripts are identical

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that's true of everything. So having variations does not mean

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the Bible has been corrupted. So we don't know what

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it says because ninety nine percent of the differences are

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basic spelling mistakes that copyists would make. But you can

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tell from that error what the text says. And that's

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ninety nine percent of the variant readings.

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Speaker 9: This is a fact.

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Speaker 1: I'm not making it that. You can go search Daniel

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Wallace Mark Ermant. Now with that said, you can take

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a copy of John written in a second century, you

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get another copy of John written in the ninth century.

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You look at John one, second century.

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Speaker 5: John one night.

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Speaker 1: Just I'm giving you just an example. You're gonna see

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John one in the second century says the same thing

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that John one in the ninth century says. It's going

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to say in the beginning was the word, the word

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was good with God, the word became flesh. In other words,

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the variant readings do not give us a different message,

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a different theology, a different look to the books. They

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all look the same, read the same, and they have

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the same message. That just the fact. For the argument

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of Muslims to work, you'd have to show a copy

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of John that John one reads so differently that when

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I look at another copy of John one, they're contradicting

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each other about the word that this copy says in

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the beginning was the word and he was created? Ooh,

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and he didn't becomes flush. That would be different than

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from a copy in the beginning was the word, the

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word was gone word, it became flesh. So this is

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where people are pulling a fast one. The variants do

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not change the message of the books. They already say.

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That's why even in your English versions, I can look

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at NIV, John one, King James John one, it's the

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same message. That's why they can only give you a

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few examples. Okay, they give me for John five to seven.

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What about the rest of for John five? Do they

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all agree? Yeah, they all agree. So you looked at

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one verse, that's questionable. But what about verses one of

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six and verses eight all the way to twenty one?

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Do they all agree read the same?

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Speaker 9: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: How come they don't mention that.

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Speaker 3: Is it?

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Speaker 5: Because we're gonna if I'm coming from a Muslim background,

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you know there we says what you said, one of

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them cannot be changed. So you say, if there are different.

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Speaker 1: Versions, what does it mean for the word of God

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to be changed. If you mean what if God can't

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be changed? Mean there can't be varian ratings. We know

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that can't be the true because the Muslims say there

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are different Arabic versions of the Crown, and the manses

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Chrown have variant readings.

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Speaker 5: So what do you mean can't be changed? No, I

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will explain to you what I'm trying to say. From

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my understanding from the Bible. Does it mean like as

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long as the message is the same, but it can

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be different wording, it can be differing like how because

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from my understanding, if something is what of God, it

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had to be like a copy like that you have

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to be a replict.

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Speaker 1: I want to answer me from your understanding, what book

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that claims to be God's word would then pass your test?

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Speaker 5: I believe before like it have to be Kurong because

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that's like one of the.

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Speaker 1: Union in fantasy Alan right, Because I just explained, brother,

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you know I love you, I swear I love you.

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I know I'm going to show you more love. What

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part did you not get that? Even in Islamic sources

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and the Arabic copies of the kron there are thousands

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of variations among them.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but this is not like pro basics. Most Slams

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don't know because you know, I'm not Arabic. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Am I talking to Mohammadi Jaba, I'm talking to you?

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Speaker 5: Okay? For me, I didn't know. But it's recently and recently.

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Speaker 1: According to your standard. If it's word of God has

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to be a perfect replicant of variations, which religious book

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will pass your test? None at the moment, So then

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become agnostic. That's what you're That's what happened to bard Ermann.

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Instead of telling me what it means for the words

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of God not to change. Can you let God tell

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you instead of you telling God how you should do it?

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So if God says his words cannot change, and he

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shows you how, when he has the Bible books copy

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and mass produce and spread all over the world, because

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that's where we are with the Bible, right, and all

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these copies are all over the world, which makes it

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humanly impossible. Listen to me, for one man to find

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all the copies, gather them up, burn them, destroy them,

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and make his own version. That would have been a miracle.

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Speaker 5: Right yeah, right, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: How does God preserve the words, not by giving you

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a perfect replica, by making sure the books were mass copied,

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spread all over the world, making it impossible for all

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these books to be gathered destroyed. So you standize one

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copy that you like and you force it on mankind.

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So if you change your copy, I got a thousand

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other copies that tell me this verse says this, you're

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the one who has a different reading. Oh so it's

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not lost, it's there. That's how God did it.

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Speaker 5: So that's some kind to under sense. So the important

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is the message and not the wording, because I know,

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just because I know I've been seeing some of them

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video there. It's some what you say in the Bible,

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and there was I think Shaft's money. He used to

714
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:11,480
always use it, like how many the age or something

715
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or the geneology. You know that it's no.

716
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Speaker 1: Brother, that's even misleading on his part. Yes, I know

717
00:38:17,199 --> 00:38:19,280
about the age twenty two or forty two, But what

718
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,239
he doesn't tell you is there are copies that have

719
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forty two and other copies of twenty two. That's the variation.

720
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So even the original number is preserved, one of them

721
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is the right number.

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Speaker 5: You see.

723
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Speaker 1: This is why when people bring up these arguments, they

724
00:38:33,559 --> 00:38:35,360
tell me they do what we're talking about. In other words,

725
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I have two copies of Chronicles. Let's say one says

726
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forty two. One says twenty two. Right there, one of

727
00:38:42,599 --> 00:38:45,519
them has the original number. But then I'll go compare

728
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it with let's say Kings and their copies say twenty two. Now,

729
00:38:50,559 --> 00:38:54,760
watch out world, two copies of Chronicles. One says twenty two,

730
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:58,280
forty two. Now someone made a mistake, because they can't

731
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be both right. Now, how do I know if it's

732
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,039
forty two to twenty two? Then I look at Kings

733
00:39:03,079 --> 00:39:06,679
and their copies say twenty two. Oh, so it's twenty two.

734
00:39:07,159 --> 00:39:10,400
So this copy is wrong. Why because if you don't

735
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,519
know how copyists work. In Hebrew, there are no numbers.

736
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Letters represent numbers. So what if someone when he writes

737
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out he spells out the letter twenty two in a

738
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way that the guy who comes after him thinks it

739
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:32,000
says forty two. But the readings is still there, the

740
00:39:32,119 --> 00:39:35,119
number of twenty two is still there. We have a variation.

741
00:39:35,679 --> 00:39:39,639
Now we have to determine. Okay, obviously this is a

742
00:39:39,679 --> 00:39:43,599
copyist error. But we have copies saying twenty two, and

743
00:39:43,639 --> 00:39:46,239
then we have Kings Apparel is saying twenty two. It's

744
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:50,719
twenty two. The copyist made a mistake. Where is anything long?

745
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,320
The original number is still preserved in the manuscripts.

746
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Speaker 5: It's because you know how you see the Bible, how

747
00:39:58,519 --> 00:40:01,960
you see the kron My thinking comes from the Quran.

748
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,159
The word of God cannot be like mistakes. That's what

749
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:09,039
I'm bringing up these arguments. But what I understand now

750
00:40:09,039 --> 00:40:12,000
from the Bible is more important the message and not

751
00:40:12,159 --> 00:40:18,239
these different variations. That's what I'm trying to understand. And yeah,

752
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:20,639
that's like what my position right now.

753
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 4: It looks like, say I'm froze.

754
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Speaker 5: Yeah, so just lasting, So what what you should should

755
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:38,400
I do at the moment? Because I've been like, yeah,

756
00:40:38,639 --> 00:40:40,840
for me, I believe they have to be God because

757
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:44,320
you know, I'm not like eighties in that manner. And

758
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,719
at the same time, I believe I need to follow

759
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some religion and at the moment, which is like like

760
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:55,360
the number one is right now Christianity. But I'm still unsure.

761
00:40:55,559 --> 00:40:58,880
So what because I've seen my friends they told me

762
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,960
that you will you will see many signs like you will,

763
00:41:02,159 --> 00:41:04,440
because how do I know, like what is the sign?

764
00:41:04,559 --> 00:41:06,920
Like how to see those signs.

765
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Speaker 1: Just to let you know, guys, on my personal hotspot,

766
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,159
my internet connection crash is becoming on tellment, so I'm

767
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,239
using personal hot spot. So what's up? Good?

768
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:18,039
Speaker 4: Sorry, I think he's asking me.

769
00:41:18,119 --> 00:41:18,559
Speaker 5: What does he do?

770
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Speaker 4: Now go ahead and repeat your question.

771
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,760
Speaker 1: But did he get my answer? Because I didn't. I lost. Yeah,

772
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,400
he understand. I get your answer. You understand now how

773
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,159
the Bible's preserve. It's not lost, it's in the manuscript tradition.

774
00:41:31,119 --> 00:41:35,519
Speaker 5: Yeah, I get it. And I told before you leave,

775
00:41:35,559 --> 00:41:38,480
I told him that for me, how to know, like

776
00:41:39,559 --> 00:41:42,639
which religion to choose, because I really want to choose,

777
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:46,159
Like you know, I'm a practicing like what you said,

778
00:41:46,679 --> 00:41:48,719
I believe in God, but I still don't know which

779
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:53,119
religion to choose. And my friends told me like in Christianity,

780
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:55,920
you will see some sign when it comes to like

781
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:57,199
like the Holy Spirit will show you.

782
00:41:58,119 --> 00:42:01,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's sometimes doesn't what So.

783
00:42:01,119 --> 00:42:04,079
Speaker 5: I'm thinking, like, like how, like what's the next step,

784
00:42:04,159 --> 00:42:05,760
like how to know how to be sure?

785
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 11: I was start looking at the prophecies. I would start

786
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:14,199
reading the Bible, you know, look into uh, how Jesus

787
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:17,199
fulfills these prophecies all throughout the Old Testament. I would

788
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:18,840
start with that. In fact, Sam and I have done

789
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:23,559
multiple podcasts back in the in the day talking about Messy.

790
00:42:23,559 --> 00:42:26,719
Any prophecies is a great evidence of you know, Jesus

791
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:30,239
fulfilling these predictions. So that'll boost your faith, That'll give

792
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:34,320
you some surety. And I would start reading the Gospels too.

793
00:42:36,599 --> 00:42:41,280
Speaker 5: Because you know, I've been seeming like it seems catchy,

794
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,960
but I see lots of cross you know, like I've

795
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,320
been like two years, so I think in this two years,

796
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:52,199
I've been like seeing across ten times, like on different places.

797
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:54,280
So that's I'm trying to connect it.

798
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,320
Speaker 11: I wouldn't base my choice of religion on whether I

799
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,920
see crosses everywhere. You really need to ground it in

800
00:43:00,159 --> 00:43:04,199
something that's not that subjective. You need to ground it

801
00:43:04,199 --> 00:43:08,159
in the Bible and the predictions of the Messiah.

802
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:11,519
Speaker 5: No I've been I've not been reading the Bible, but

803
00:43:11,599 --> 00:43:15,280
I've seen all your lives, so especially shake logic. I

804
00:43:15,519 --> 00:43:18,519
follow lots of his lives, and each time I listen,

805
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,280
I get more and more like what you say, I

806
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,639
feel more and more connected. And this is the reason

807
00:43:23,679 --> 00:43:26,480
why I'm coming here to talk, so to get a

808
00:43:26,559 --> 00:43:30,159
chance and speak freely because it's different from listening and

809
00:43:30,199 --> 00:43:31,559
to talking to you guys.

810
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:37,639
Speaker 13: Yeah, well yeah, well, so what what Jay is alluding to, Man,

811
00:43:38,679 --> 00:43:41,320
I don't know if you've seen the streams where I

812
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:45,280
walk through with my Muslim friends through the messy and

813
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:50,199
prophecies of Jesus, the prophecies that show that Jesus truly

814
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:51,519
is the Messiah.

815
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 12: What he will do, where he'll be born, what his

816
00:43:55,840 --> 00:44:00,239
mission exactly is, and how Jesus in the first century

817
00:44:00,639 --> 00:44:04,639
fulfilled those scriptures that mentioned him a thousand years before

818
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:08,159
and seven hundred years before. What Jay is referring to

819
00:44:08,559 --> 00:44:13,400
is we have something where we can point to where

820
00:44:13,519 --> 00:44:15,119
it's without a shadow of a doubt.

821
00:44:15,159 --> 00:44:17,519
Speaker 4: Whether I agree with it or you agree with it,

822
00:44:17,519 --> 00:44:20,400
it doesn't matter what position we have. This is a

823
00:44:20,599 --> 00:44:24,599
fact that God actually spoke in history and what he

824
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:26,639
spoke was fulfilled.

825
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 12: And this is something we can verify. It's not guesswork,

826
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:34,840
it's not oh blind faith. We can literally look at

827
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:38,760
God mentioned and speak in history and we see it

828
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:42,360
fulfilled in Jesus Christ. And so that's what Jay's referring

829
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,400
to him. You can know, you can today, you can

830
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,280
know that this is the truth because you can see

831
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:52,440
that God truly has spoken. You don't have this in Islam,

832
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:54,199
you don't have this in Hindu Us, you don't have

833
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:55,000
this anywhere else.

834
00:44:55,400 --> 00:45:02,039
Speaker 4: God's fingerprint is his prophecy. No nobody else can do. Amen.

835
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 1: Amen, Sorry guys, I lost connection. But see, I just

836
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:06,880
want to make sure come from you understood about the

837
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,679
very gratings do not falsify. But you see, even the

838
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:11,559
original warnings is preserved in manuscripts.

839
00:45:11,599 --> 00:45:16,519
Speaker 5: Right. Yeah, I think I understand because I get your point.

840
00:45:16,559 --> 00:45:18,320
But as I told you, I need to like check

841
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:20,760
the life again and I will try to understand. And

842
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:24,079
if there's something, I will let you know. I see

843
00:45:24,119 --> 00:45:26,800
your skype if it's possible, if I can, yeah.

844
00:45:26,639 --> 00:45:28,199
Speaker 1: Let me know what's do and we can come up

845
00:45:28,199 --> 00:45:29,840
and talk about. But yeah, all right, but God, brother,

846
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:33,519
I just want to make sure because I lost connection twice. Yeah,

847
00:45:33,679 --> 00:45:34,280
what you guys want?

848
00:45:35,519 --> 00:45:38,159
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's all for me. I will maybe come next time.

849
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:41,320
Let's see if I will be like have some thing

850
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:42,400
in them, but I will.

851
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,079
Speaker 12: Yeah, before you go, seeker, have you have you seen

852
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,360
the prophecies that Jesus fulfilled?

853
00:45:48,119 --> 00:45:49,039
Speaker 9: Have you seen those yet?

854
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 5: I think there was life between you and a Muslim

855
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:57,039
lady I think you show them I've seen like because yeah,

856
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,679
because your life used to be it's I've seen some

857
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:02,360
of them, but I don't know. I mean, but I've

858
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:06,519
seen those and especially how to see Jesus, like all

859
00:46:06,519 --> 00:46:09,480
these prophecies. But I need to see the whole video. Yeah,

860
00:46:09,519 --> 00:46:13,840
because I've just seen some not like the whole video,

861
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:15,480
but I've seen some minutes of it.

862
00:46:15,679 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 12: Yes, well yeah, well yeah check it out, man, go

863
00:46:19,199 --> 00:46:21,800
watch it again and go through the verses that I

864
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:22,320
pull up.

865
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:24,559
Speaker 4: Because, like I said, you.

866
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 12: Don't have to be, you know, in a space where

867
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,960
you don't know anymore. This is a way that you

868
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,760
can know without a shadow of a doubt, who the

869
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:34,639
true God is.

870
00:46:35,119 --> 00:46:37,039
Speaker 4: And this is one of his proofs, one of his proofs.

871
00:46:37,079 --> 00:46:39,480
He even says this in the Old Testament. He says,

872
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,679
you know, challenging the false gods and idols, he says,

873
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:46,079
tell them to call the end from the beginning like

874
00:46:46,159 --> 00:46:47,400
I do. Right.

875
00:46:47,679 --> 00:46:53,280
Speaker 12: He challenges them to prophesy to proclaim the future because

876
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,800
they can't do it, so this shows that they're false gods.

877
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,480
So just encouraging you, man, check this out. This is

878
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,800
something you can hold on to to know who the

879
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:03,559
true God.

880
00:47:04,159 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 4: Really is okay, Yeah, I really thank you again, good evening,

881
00:47:11,079 --> 00:47:16,679
Thank you, thanks for coming. All right, So that was

882
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:20,159
Seeker gentlemen. We got a few more guests up to you, guys.

883
00:47:20,159 --> 00:47:22,000
We did hit the three hour mark. You guys still

884
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:23,239
got a little bit of time. We could do a

885
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:23,719
couple more.

886
00:47:24,639 --> 00:47:25,639
Speaker 1: What wants to do?

887
00:47:26,519 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 11: I can go some more.

888
00:47:27,559 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 4: Let's let's do it, all right.

889
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,039
Speaker 12: Sorry, let's bring up a couple more. Man, Let's see

890
00:47:31,079 --> 00:47:33,559
what we got here? All right, So let's bring up mole.

891
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:39,360
How you doing Mullich? The ancient human sacrifice?

892
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:44,599
Speaker 11: We're talking? I never thought I'd be debating the demon?

893
00:47:44,639 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 4: But okay, can hear us? Can you hear us? I

894
00:47:56,039 --> 00:47:58,079
see you on muting, but no sound is coming out?

895
00:47:58,079 --> 00:48:04,840
Bro al right, going once, going twice? All right, try

896
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,599
to come back when you got that sound fixed. Let's

897
00:48:07,679 --> 00:48:10,280
bring up we got off made here?

898
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 9: I'd mad? How you doing.

899
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 4: Off? Mad?

900
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 14: Yeah?

901
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 4: We're I'm just the Australian Blake. Oh you was here earlier.

902
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:25,679
Speaker 12: He was Pressure project, just kicking hanging out all right,

903
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:27,800
So let me let me bring on somebody else to see.

904
00:48:30,519 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 9: Omar omar, sir?

905
00:48:32,679 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 3: Can you hear me?

906
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 9: There?

907
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:34,519
Speaker 4: We go.

908
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:39,320
Speaker 15: A so I got a little questions to get answers

909
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,079
from me, so I got.

910
00:48:42,199 --> 00:48:45,559
Speaker 16: Mark ten eighteen. It says Jesus talk himself good and.

911
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 15: Then creates like a distinction. But why does he create

912
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:50,199
that distinction when he calls himself?

913
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:54,159
Speaker 9: Mm hmm, Jay, were going to tackle that.

914
00:48:55,159 --> 00:48:56,039
Speaker 11: I didn't hear what he said.

915
00:48:56,360 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 12: He said he's talking about Mark ten eighteen, Mark two eighteen.

916
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,599
Why why does Jesus make a distinction between yeah, God

917
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:04,159
been good?

918
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 5: Yeah?

919
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:04,800
Speaker 1: Why is it?

920
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:06,119
Speaker 16: Why is it created distinction?

921
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 11: You mean the text where he says there's none good,

922
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:10,960
but God is everything about.

923
00:49:11,119 --> 00:49:14,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the one. Yeah, I mean, that's just hell.

924
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 16: He calls himself, what's it called? Like?

925
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:19,320
Speaker 4: Like?

926
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 16: He says he isn't good and the Father is only good.

927
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 4: He didn't say he says, why do you call me good?

928
00:49:25,599 --> 00:49:25,800
Speaker 11: Right?

929
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:28,800
Speaker 15: Why he was to be him and the Father to

930
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,199
be God? Why wouldn't he say that he's also good?

931
00:49:32,119 --> 00:49:32,400
Speaker 6: Answer?

932
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 11: You think you have a He does say he's good.

933
00:49:36,679 --> 00:49:43,519
Speaker 1: Yeahs okay, answer. Let him finish this point because this

934
00:49:43,639 --> 00:49:45,800
is not new. It's Mark ten, seventeen eighteen. But there's

935
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,639
a parallel of Matthew nineteen sixteen seventeen. Luke k A

936
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:50,480
ten eighteen nineteen. So to let you know we've been

937
00:49:50,519 --> 00:49:52,400
there doing that, we retired the T shirt. Let him

938
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,159
answer good?

939
00:49:56,199 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 11: Yeah me or him?

940
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:01,679
Speaker 15: Oh no, No, you're not answering it like I want you

941
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:03,079
to tell me why he calls himself?

942
00:50:06,599 --> 00:50:09,760
Speaker 1: Yeah? Why are you upset about it? Because you sound angry?

943
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:11,239
Because when I show you it doesn't mean that he

944
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:13,039
shows you that. You're gonna say Mohammed is bad then

945
00:50:13,159 --> 00:50:15,519
because if God is good, Mamma is not God, then

946
00:50:15,599 --> 00:50:16,519
Mammed is garbage?

947
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:18,519
Speaker 5: What?

948
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Speaker 16: No, because you call Jesus God.

949
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna show you that Jesus claimed that, me

950
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:25,440
and him. But I want you to then say, since

951
00:50:25,519 --> 00:50:32,519
Jesus said only God is good, that means Mamma is garbage. Also, wait, wait,

952
00:50:32,559 --> 00:50:36,840
don't run, wait it's oh we're gonna I really can't

953
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,480
hear you. Okay, listen to what I'm saying.

954
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:40,760
Speaker 5: I'm good.

955
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:43,639
Speaker 1: Okay, Oh my listen, I know you're young listening. When

956
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,599
Jay and I show you that Jesus was not saying

957
00:50:46,599 --> 00:50:49,559
He's not good, We're gonna get there. But then are

958
00:50:49,559 --> 00:50:51,639
you gonna admit since jes said only God is good,

959
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:53,639
Mama is not God? That Mama is garbage.

960
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:58,679
Speaker 16: No, because Mohammed that never called himself.

961
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Speaker 1: Okay, The point is that if you're going to claim

962
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that Jesus is gone.

963
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,119
Speaker 11: Your argument. We understand what you're saying. So if you're

964
00:51:11,159 --> 00:51:13,599
going to say that, on one level, the first point

965
00:51:13,599 --> 00:51:15,400
we're making is you're going to say that Jesus is

966
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:19,079
literally saying that no one else is good except for God,

967
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:21,039
then that means none of the prophets were good, and

968
00:51:21,079 --> 00:51:23,400
it means that Mohammad was not a prophet. He wasn't good.

969
00:51:23,519 --> 00:51:26,039
So clearly it doesn't mean that that's the first point.

970
00:51:26,079 --> 00:51:28,519
Speaker 16: Yeah, but I don't claim I don't claim Mohammed is gone.

971
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Speaker 4: I claim him as a parent good. It doesn't matter.

972
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Speaker 11: I forget God. Right, So if Jesus is saying that

973
00:51:35,119 --> 00:51:38,119
no one is good except for God, and then Mohammad

974
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:39,719
is also not good.

975
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 1: Right, and we're going to send you to Mecca to

976
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:54,239
play with dolls, let's see.

977
00:51:54,199 --> 00:51:54,800
Speaker 9: As a lag.

978
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:56,599
Speaker 4: I think he's lagging, honestly.

979
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:58,360
Speaker 1: Because Omar.

980
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:01,079
Speaker 11: Ill I understand.

981
00:52:02,199 --> 00:52:06,519
Speaker 1: Listen to what he's saying. We understand that you don't good,

982
00:52:06,519 --> 00:52:06,920
brother God.

983
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:10,079
Speaker 11: Jas I'm sorry, sorry, We understand that you don't believe

984
00:52:10,119 --> 00:52:13,559
that Mohammed is God. We're making a point that if

985
00:52:13,599 --> 00:52:16,239
you're gonna read this in a in a strict literal

986
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,320
way and that it's not hyperbole, which, by the way,

987
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,480
Jesus uses hyperbole all the time, then what Jesus is

988
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saying is that literally, no one is good except for God,

989
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:26,760
including none of the Old Testament prophets, including Jesus himself,

990
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,679
and including Muhammad, none of them are good. Doesn't that

991
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:31,480
seem absurd?

992
00:52:33,039 --> 00:52:34,559
Speaker 16: Now? It seems absurd is that.

993
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 9: He's cutting in and out his connection.

994
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:42,079
Speaker 16: That's what's absurd.

995
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,159
Speaker 12: It's okay, guys, it's okay. Hey, oh Ma, your your

996
00:52:46,199 --> 00:52:48,119
connection is too bad for you to engage. I'm gonna

997
00:52:48,159 --> 00:52:50,159
move on, man, you gotta get your connection.

998
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 4: Good, all right.

999
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 9: I'm gonna bring up Joe Davis.

1000
00:52:55,159 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 4: What's up, Joe? You a Muslim?

1001
00:53:00,159 --> 00:53:00,320
Speaker 1: Joe?

1002
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:01,039
Speaker 9: You're on stage?

1003
00:53:01,079 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 5: Man?

1004
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:10,840
Speaker 4: All right, Let's try mole like one more time or mulec.

1005
00:53:11,119 --> 00:53:14,920
I think it's Mulep Mulec. You're good, you're on stage, mulch.

1006
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:28,559
All right. So your sound is still not working, Okay,

1007
00:53:29,199 --> 00:53:30,159
I see you're not working.

1008
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:34,840
Speaker 9: All right. Well, it looks like we ran.

1009
00:53:34,679 --> 00:53:40,599
Speaker 4: Out of guests with with working equipment and connection. We

1010
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:41,960
done ran through everybody.

1011
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:45,599
Speaker 12: If you are if you are a Muslim, shoot, if

1012
00:53:45,599 --> 00:53:47,679
you're a Hebrew is a light watching, you can come

1013
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:54,679
on ups up, break it up. If you're if your

1014
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,440
Hebrew is a light, you can come on up. If

1015
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:00,519
you are a oneness modoral list, you.

1016
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:01,159
Speaker 9: Could come on up.

1017
00:54:01,159 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 12: If you believe that Jesus is the Father, you can.

1018
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:08,360
If you're a Jehovah's witness, you can come up. I'm

1019
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:14,079
going to open up the panel Muslims, Jehovah's witnesses oneness,

1020
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:17,559
if you want to come up your oneness, come on up.

1021
00:54:18,079 --> 00:54:20,400
Tell us how Jesus is the Father, how the Trinity

1022
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:22,360
is not true? Matter of fact, let me go ahead

1023
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:24,840
and change the pen. I'm going to change the pen

1024
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:30,639
to nontrinitarians. If you're a nontrinitarian, you believe the Bible,

1025
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:34,199
you're nontrinitarian. Or if you're a Muslim, you're welcome to

1026
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:37,360
join the station. Let me go ahead, and it's this

1027
00:54:37,599 --> 00:54:38,119
up here.

1028
00:54:38,599 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 1: Sure, that's nice. That's why we got it one day

1029
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:41,480
just for anti trinitarians.

1030
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 9: Bro, Yeah, we got to do it for an anti trinity.

1031
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:48,119
Speaker 1: Islam is too boring, you see you challenge the heavy edders.

1032
00:54:48,199 --> 00:54:50,119
No one showed up right there, let's solved my prophecy.

1033
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 9: They fulfilled your prophecy, brother.

1034
00:54:53,039 --> 00:54:54,760
Speaker 1: More more profit than Mohammad was.

1035
00:54:55,199 --> 00:54:58,519
Speaker 9: Yes, unfortunately. Yeah, that means we gotta follow you.

1036
00:54:58,599 --> 00:54:58,840
Speaker 4: Now.

1037
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 9: All right, there's the link.

1038
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 12: Ladies and gents, non trinitarians, come all through mine, come

1039
00:55:13,039 --> 00:55:16,519
all through, and come put Sam in this place, come refute.

1040
00:55:16,199 --> 00:55:21,400
Speaker 9: J All right, I forgot. I mean, I mean, how

1041
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:21,760
you doing?

1042
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 17: Hello?

1043
00:55:23,039 --> 00:55:23,639
Speaker 3: How are you doing?

1044
00:55:24,519 --> 00:55:25,760
Speaker 5: I'm pretty good of you?

1045
00:55:27,679 --> 00:55:28,079
Speaker 17: How are you?

1046
00:55:28,639 --> 00:55:33,639
Speaker 8: And I've also a question? And if imagine talking about

1047
00:55:33,679 --> 00:55:41,840
it in Bible chapter twenty nine twelve Isaiah, Yeah, Isaiah,

1048
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:45,280
but we believe in the older version of Greek, there's.

1049
00:55:45,159 --> 00:55:48,039
Speaker 17: More intur it. One word is more into it. Do

1050
00:55:48,079 --> 00:55:50,039
you believe it? Do you believe that?

1051
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 9: Do I believe?

1052
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:51,559
Speaker 5: What?

1053
00:55:51,639 --> 00:55:52,039
Speaker 11: In Greek?

1054
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:53,599
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1055
00:55:53,639 --> 00:55:57,519
Speaker 8: In the Greek there's one more word in the Bible

1056
00:55:57,599 --> 00:55:58,400
that doesn't talk.

1057
00:55:59,079 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 5: That is like x I p A.

1058
00:56:02,159 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 4: What is he talking about?

1059
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:05,639
Speaker 12: This guy he's talking about he's talking about the word

1060
00:56:06,639 --> 00:56:07,559
x I p a.

1061
00:56:08,679 --> 00:56:11,800
Speaker 4: And in the subtulogen of Isaiah twenty nine.

1062
00:56:11,119 --> 00:56:16,159
Speaker 18: Twel ip a, what is the he's saying that that's

1063
00:56:16,199 --> 00:56:17,920
a word in the Greek that when you put it

1064
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:21,320
in and you translate it, it translates to Hera.

1065
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 12: So they're going to say that it's it's it's talking

1066
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:27,840
about the Cave of Hero, That's what he's saying.

1067
00:56:29,639 --> 00:56:32,119
Speaker 11: I mean, I think this prophecy is about I believe,

1068
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:35,360
and it's a prophecy about Pentecost. If you read the chapter,

1069
00:56:35,599 --> 00:56:38,960
it's predicting the fact that the Jews will all speak

1070
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:43,760
in a language that the other Jews want. The Apostles

1071
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:46,679
will speak in a language at Pentecost that the rest

1072
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:49,239
of the Jews won't understand. They'll be blinded and stumbled.

1073
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:53,400
So the whole chapter twenty nine, these are predictions of

1074
00:56:54,039 --> 00:56:55,480
Pentecost and the Apostles.

1075
00:56:57,320 --> 00:57:01,559
Speaker 17: Yeah, that's looks like been talking about back.

1076
00:57:03,599 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 5: What do you? I love?

1077
00:57:05,079 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 1: You want to Christ and believe that? I want to

1078
00:57:07,519 --> 00:57:07,960
kiss your.

1079
00:57:09,519 --> 00:57:10,840
Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah.

1080
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:13,880
Speaker 1: Do you want to hear my answer? You want to

1081
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:14,480
we can talk?

1082
00:57:14,639 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 17: Yeah, I would like to hear your answer.

1083
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:21,079
Speaker 1: Okay, So you're read twelve, right, Yeah? Can you read

1084
00:57:21,559 --> 00:57:26,599
eleven and thirteen? What you'll read? I say twenty eleven

1085
00:57:26,639 --> 00:57:27,159
thirteen for.

1086
00:57:27,159 --> 00:57:33,639
Speaker 8: Me, eleven thirteen, and I really I will do research

1087
00:57:33,679 --> 00:57:36,360
about it, you know, I read. I haven't read the

1088
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:37,360
Bible research.

1089
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:38,599
Speaker 1: Can you read eleven and thirteen?

1090
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 17: I mean I'm on phone.

1091
00:57:43,519 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 1: Oh, I'll read it for you because I also read.

1092
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:48,599
Speaker 17: Yeah, it's okay, you can okay?

1093
00:57:48,679 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 1: Can I also watch?

1094
00:57:49,519 --> 00:57:51,639
Speaker 4: This is for you?

1095
00:57:51,679 --> 00:57:56,440
Speaker 1: Okay? Here, what's okay? Okay, now you're ready? Yeah, speen share?

1096
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:57,199
Can you screenshare?

1097
00:57:58,480 --> 00:57:58,719
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1098
00:57:59,039 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 1: Screen ship your oddy twelve it's on about someone in

1099
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:08,559
Hira writer. This is what you're telling me. Then the

1100
00:58:08,599 --> 00:58:10,000
book will be given to the one who does not

1101
00:58:10,079 --> 00:58:12,320
know how to read a book, saying please read this.

1102
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:13,679
And you'll say I do not know how to read

1103
00:58:13,679 --> 00:58:16,800
a book. Right, So that's supposed to be. And the

1104
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:20,840
Greek has a ra so it's okay, all right, so

1105
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:24,960
this is Muhammad, right supposedly, but can you tell me

1106
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:28,119
who the prophet of verse eleven is? The prophet of

1107
00:58:28,199 --> 00:58:28,960
verse eleven.

1108
00:58:31,159 --> 00:58:31,519
Speaker 4: Living?

1109
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:38,239
Speaker 17: This is muffy. I can read.

1110
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:42,119
Speaker 1: The entire vision like, okay, good, if you want to

1111
00:58:42,119 --> 00:58:46,719
read it, read, thank you, sir. Can I also wash

1112
00:58:46,719 --> 00:58:51,400
your clothes? The entire vision will be to you like

1113
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:54,079
the words of a seal book, which when they give

1114
00:58:54,079 --> 00:58:56,760
it to one who is a literate, literate saying please

1115
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:59,159
read this. He will say I cannot for its sealed.

1116
00:58:59,239 --> 00:59:01,360
So I follow the Muslims. There are going to be

1117
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:05,360
two prophets. One prophet can read, but the book is okay,

1118
00:59:06,079 --> 00:59:08,480
I can't read it. The other one is Muhammad. So

1119
00:59:08,519 --> 00:59:10,760
who's the first prophet? What's his name?

1120
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 17: I believe that he's a perfect Muhammad's Actually.

1121
00:59:16,159 --> 00:59:18,719
Speaker 1: So you you are a special kind of stupid because

1122
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:21,639
in the first one it says he can read, So

1123
00:59:21,719 --> 00:59:22,519
momma can read.

1124
00:59:23,679 --> 00:59:26,599
Speaker 17: Yeah, he couldn't read. If you go to the crime.

1125
00:59:28,519 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 1: A question, buddy, here my question. The first one can read.

1126
00:59:34,519 --> 00:59:38,599
It says someone who can read literate. Could your prophet

1127
00:59:38,639 --> 00:59:40,199
read or is he only illiterate?

1128
00:59:41,079 --> 00:59:42,039
Speaker 17: No, he cannot read.

1129
00:59:42,719 --> 00:59:46,039
Speaker 1: Okay, So who is this prophet in verse eleven? Okay,

1130
00:59:46,639 --> 00:59:49,159
that can read a book and he's given the book?

1131
00:59:49,639 --> 00:59:50,079
Speaker 5: Who is he?

1132
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:53,960
Speaker 17: Who is he he can read?

1133
00:59:55,159 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 1: Let me give me send this guy to make it

1134
00:59:57,360 --> 00:59:59,519
kiss blackstone because he's not good. Okay, when he kiss

1135
00:59:59,559 --> 01:00:00,559
the black ston, say hi.

1136
01:00:00,559 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 5: To me for me.

1137
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:04,639
Speaker 11: I apologize. I didn't even realize that that this guy

1138
01:00:04,679 --> 01:00:07,079
thought this was about Muhammad. I thought he was asking

1139
01:00:07,159 --> 01:00:09,519
what is the verse about? And Jesus explains in the

1140
01:00:09,559 --> 01:00:13,039
New Testament he cites this very text about the Pharisees

1141
01:00:13,079 --> 01:00:16,400
being blinded because they didn't understand that the Sealed Book

1142
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:18,719
is the Old Testament, prophecies of him has absolutely nothing

1143
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:19,480
to do with Mohammad.

1144
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:22,480
Speaker 1: Sure, the Greek says hero, come.

1145
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:27,760
Speaker 4: On, yeah, talk about the gave gave Bahamas in all right.

1146
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 12: So again, guys, the linc is penned. If you are

1147
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:34,639
a non Trinitarian, you are welcome to come on up.

1148
01:00:34,679 --> 01:00:39,159
If you are a Hebrew Israelite, if you are a

1149
01:00:39,599 --> 01:00:43,880
oneness modalist, you believe that Jesus is the Father, the

1150
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:46,440
Holy Spirit is the Father. You believe they're all the

1151
01:00:46,519 --> 01:00:49,840
same person. You reject the Trinity. You're welcome to come up,

1152
01:00:50,039 --> 01:00:53,920
hit that link, come challenge us. And of course, if

1153
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:56,599
you're a Muslim, if you are a Jehovah's witness or

1154
01:00:56,639 --> 01:01:00,400
any type of area, you can come up and gauge

1155
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:04,480
with us and show us why you believe that your

1156
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:07,880
position is correct. Until then, oh all right, so we

1157
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:11,559
got somebody named Wait, why didn't we stuff will changeing it?

1158
01:01:11,559 --> 01:01:14,239
Speaker 4: Why do you change your name? It's time for you

1159
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:16,599
to go. You don't confuse me. Thanks for coming to me.

1160
01:01:17,239 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 9: In the meantime, jay I have a question for you.

1161
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:24,760
Speaker 12: Okay, So someone posed this question and I said that

1162
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:27,119
they can come and they can ask the question.

1163
01:01:27,199 --> 01:01:28,199
Speaker 4: On today's stream.

1164
01:01:28,239 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 12: It was about the hypostatic union, and so they were

1165
01:01:32,159 --> 01:01:35,679
they asked with with the three persons sharing the same

1166
01:01:35,679 --> 01:01:39,719
divine mind, they were asking, how is it? How does

1167
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:42,559
it work when they communicate? If they if they have

1168
01:01:42,719 --> 01:01:46,920
one mind, how are they communicating with each other?

1169
01:01:47,079 --> 01:01:47,239
Speaker 11: Then?

1170
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:49,880
Speaker 4: How is it just not the same? I guess, thing

1171
01:01:50,119 --> 01:01:51,440
just talking to itself? I guess.

1172
01:01:54,239 --> 01:01:54,480
Speaker 5: Well.

1173
01:01:55,159 --> 01:01:58,480
Speaker 11: So, even though we talk about in trinitarian theology, we

1174
01:01:58,559 --> 01:02:02,079
talk about what's called in separability of actions, and this

1175
01:02:02,159 --> 01:02:04,679
is something that for example, William Lane Craig doesn't believe.

1176
01:02:04,679 --> 01:02:08,760
He believes that there are separate, separable minds and actions

1177
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:12,840
and wills. One reason that he might think that has

1178
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:18,000
to do with his open appollinarian position. So as Orthodox

1179
01:02:18,039 --> 01:02:20,599
we would disagree with that. But the reason I bring

1180
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all that up is because there's a distinction in theology

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between the thing quah thing or the thing the way

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that it exists or what it is versus the mode

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01:02:31,639 --> 01:02:34,480
of its existence. And even though that might sound a

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little obscure, it becomes really important in theology and Christology

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01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:41,079
by the time of Saint Maximus. A lot of his theology,

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for example, deals with tropos in Greek war mode. And

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this relates to trinitary and theology too, because we might

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talk about, for example, God having one will because he

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has one essence in the trinity, but that doesn't mean

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that there's not a distinction between the will in itself

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01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:01,400
versus the mode in which the will exists. So the

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mode in which these things exist is in the persons

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01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:07,079
that have that will. So even though there's one will

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01:03:07,119 --> 01:03:10,480
in God, that the mode of that willing is personal

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or hypostatic. So it's the persons that will. It's the

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persons that actualize or have the mind of God. So

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the mystery involved in that in that, even though the

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mind is common to all three persons, it's still a

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mind that's uniquely had by the Father, uniquely had by

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01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:31,360
the Son, and uniquely had by the Spirit. So they

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01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:34,320
really do communicate amongst one another, and they do they

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01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:36,960
you know, the Father really does, for example, communicate to

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01:03:37,079 --> 01:03:39,920
the son everything that the son has, and they really

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01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:43,559
do share the same mind. But that same mind is

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01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:47,159
had or exists in the mode of the Father and

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01:03:47,239 --> 01:03:50,159
the Son, and the spirit who uniquely have it. That's

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01:03:50,159 --> 01:03:52,960
what mode is. So it's a both and it's none

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01:03:53,079 --> 01:03:55,760
either or. But if you're like smile Willing Crag like

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he just he doesn't really think about mode. He just

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thinks of it as like a person is just a mind,

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and so if there's three persons, there's three minds, there

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01:04:06,559 --> 01:04:08,639
has to therefore be three wills. Right, So he's led

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in that kind of a conclusion because this is what

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Apollinaris did in the early Church, is that he waits

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personhood to a trait or an attribute, and Initarian theology,

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01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:22,039
we can't do that. We have to have personhood being

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more than just a trait, an attribute, or a feature

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of nature. It has to be something above and beyond

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the nature. And that's why body or excuse me, will mind.

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These are properties or attributes of the divine essence that

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all three persons share, but they uniquely instantiate that one

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01:04:44,159 --> 01:04:47,880
property or that one will in their mode of being,

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which is hypostatic or personal. So me give you another

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example this which will help solidify it. For example, a creation.

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We know the creation is an act of God, but

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it's trinitarian in the way that it comes about well,

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how does one God act in a trinitarian way? And

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it's not three different actions. This is why we say

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that it's from the Father, through the Son, and in

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the spirit. So the creation of the world is one

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God acting, but it's uniquely actualized by the three persons

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in their roles or modes. So they do have unique roles.

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When I say role or it is not modalism. Modalism

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is the thing. So this is roles is a better way.

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Rol e is a better way to think of it.

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In the same way that the Father has a unique

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role in the one act of creating, the Son has

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a unique role in that one act of creating, and

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01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:40,039
the Spirit has a unique role in that one act

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of creating. It's the same with redemption. The Father sends

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01:05:43,639 --> 01:05:47,400
the son, the son does the role proper to him

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01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:50,320
to die or undergo death in the human nature that

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he has, and the Spirit has a unique role in

1244
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:56,440
redemption to sanctify. But it's one trinitarian action to do that.

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Does that make sense?

1246
01:05:57,719 --> 01:05:59,920
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah? Absolutely? Nice?

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01:06:00,079 --> 01:06:03,519
Speaker 12: Okay, all right, so in that we've got some people

1248
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just willing to come up, So let's go.

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01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:06,199
Speaker 5: Dexter.

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Speaker 12: You're on stage. How you doing dexter, Dexter, you're on

1251
01:06:13,239 --> 01:06:19,039
the panel, Dexter going once.

1252
01:06:19,559 --> 01:06:21,880
Speaker 11: Is about to kill us all because he's.

1253
01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:24,119
Speaker 1: Greedy.

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01:06:24,199 --> 01:06:25,360
Speaker 4: Gentlemen, Can everybody hear me?

1255
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:28,519
Speaker 19: Yes, we can hear you. How you doing by God's grace?

1256
01:06:28,519 --> 01:06:29,760
Hold him steady? How we all doing?

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01:06:30,039 --> 01:06:33,519
Speaker 9: Awesome? Awesome, We're blessed you. You rejected Trinity?

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01:06:35,039 --> 01:06:41,360
Speaker 19: Yes, I do, although I understand some of the concept

1259
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:45,559
and ideologies with regards to the Trinity, but biblically, it

1260
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:51,440
doesn't It doesn't fit the Yeah, the norm of the Gospel.

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If I can say that way, Okay, So I do believe. Uh,

1262
01:06:57,639 --> 01:07:00,719
maybe maybe if I can approach this with maybe just

1263
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:04,159
a specific question and then I can talk.

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Speaker 4: I had a question for you because I want to

1265
01:07:06,639 --> 01:07:08,800
know where you're coming from. So do you do you

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01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:10,119
believe that Jesus is God?

1267
01:07:10,159 --> 01:07:11,199
Speaker 9: Do your firm his deity?

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01:07:11,679 --> 01:07:11,920
Speaker 4: Yes?

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01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:13,159
Speaker 11: I believe Jesus is God.

1270
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Speaker 4: Do you believe he's the Father?

1271
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:16,719
Speaker 11: No? I do not believe he's the Father.

1272
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Speaker 12: Okay, So you believe that Jesus is God, you believe

1273
01:07:21,239 --> 01:07:23,079
he's distinct from the Father, and you believe the Father

1274
01:07:23,159 --> 01:07:23,760
is God as well?

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01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:25,519
Speaker 11: Right, that's correct.

1276
01:07:26,679 --> 01:07:30,320
Speaker 4: So do you believe in two different gods. I believe

1277
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:34,400
in the Father and the Son. Do you do you

1278
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:36,039
believe there are two different gods?

1279
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:41,480
Speaker 19: So I think I think that's where the challenge is

1280
01:07:41,599 --> 01:07:49,199
with regards to the god Head, and in certain levels,

1281
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I believe that that that the Father is above.

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01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:57,079
Speaker 4: All, greater than all, But I believe.

1283
01:07:56,800 --> 01:07:59,519
Speaker 19: There's a distinction in the Son in that the Son,

1284
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as the scripture says, is created.

1285
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Speaker 4: I believe the Son doesn't say he's created.

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Speaker 12: Well, So, just to be clear in your position, Dexter,

1287
01:08:08,679 --> 01:08:12,440
do you believe that the Father and the Son are

1288
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two different gods?

1289
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Speaker 4: Or do you believe they're one and the same God.

1290
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Speaker 5: No?

1291
01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:19,000
Speaker 4: No, I believe that I believe they are two different gods.

1292
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Speaker 1: He's an aryan god. You just said Jesus is created.

1293
01:08:22,159 --> 01:08:23,239
So what about the Holy Spirit?

1294
01:08:24,359 --> 01:08:26,800
Speaker 4: I believe I don't believe the Holy Spirit is a person.

1295
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:27,800
Speaker 5: You what?

1296
01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:31,039
Speaker 11: I do not believe the Holy Spirit is a person?

1297
01:08:31,079 --> 01:08:33,359
Speaker 1: So which one of those who want us to tackle

1298
01:08:34,119 --> 01:08:36,359
the fact that you think the Bible teaches guys as

1299
01:08:36,399 --> 01:08:37,880
a creature? And I hope you're not going to quote

1300
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:40,800
Proverbs eight twenty two Colossians different?

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01:08:41,119 --> 01:08:41,560
Speaker 11: No?

1302
01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:42,800
Speaker 4: No, no, okay?

1303
01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:43,720
Speaker 1: So which one are you? One?

1304
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:43,960
Speaker 5: Of us.

1305
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:47,479
Speaker 1: You want to tackle well before we out because we

1306
01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:49,039
can hear your child in the background. Can you maybe

1307
01:08:49,079 --> 01:08:50,520
I have your wife take her out of them because

1308
01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:51,319
we can hear them.

1309
01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:54,079
Speaker 4: Yes, bear with me my apology, sir.

1310
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:57,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's an arian, he told you please, He's creature,

1311
01:08:57,119 --> 01:09:02,640
created your witness, all right, because he said.

1312
01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:02,960
Speaker 4: No, I'm not.

1313
01:09:03,119 --> 01:09:04,720
Speaker 11: I'm not Jehovah witness either.

1314
01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:06,399
Speaker 1: But you do believe like them because you believe the

1315
01:09:06,399 --> 01:09:07,520
police spirit is not a person.

1316
01:09:08,039 --> 01:09:13,159
Speaker 19: That's that's something I recently, uh discovered. I didn't know

1317
01:09:13,199 --> 01:09:17,039
that they some did believe in that, but that's something

1318
01:09:17,039 --> 01:09:18,399
I've recently discovered.

1319
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:21,399
Speaker 1: So what's the proof that crisis created?

1320
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:22,880
Speaker 6: Uh?

1321
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:27,960
Speaker 1: Revelations three fourteen doesn't help your Okay? So if you

1322
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:28,359
don't go.

1323
01:09:28,359 --> 01:09:29,439
Speaker 4: There, why not?

1324
01:09:30,399 --> 01:09:33,479
Speaker 1: Because the work our Kay? Then the context of John

1325
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:35,199
is used for the father and the son.

1326
01:09:37,319 --> 01:09:39,159
Speaker 11: Okay, so then let's appropriate.

1327
01:09:39,239 --> 01:09:43,479
Speaker 4: Let's show too, let's let's approach it differently.

1328
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:47,600
Speaker 1: Then, No, it don't. Let's go at the man. I

1329
01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:50,560
know what you're gonna fou Okay, hold on, Jay, let

1330
01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:51,760
me know when you want to jump, because I don't

1331
01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:59,399
want to just keep yeah, okay, well yeah, Revelation three fourteen. Okay, yeah,

1332
01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:03,640
let me spling it all up one second. So now

1333
01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:06,880
in Revelation three fourteen, pause for me. What it means

1334
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:12,159
that he's the beginning of the creation of God? What

1335
01:10:12,199 --> 01:10:12,720
does that mean?

1336
01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:17,720
Speaker 5: Is?

1337
01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:19,439
Speaker 1: Can you hear me? I can't hear him.

1338
01:10:20,039 --> 01:10:21,199
Speaker 9: He's muter right now.

1339
01:10:21,199 --> 01:10:26,199
Speaker 19: Maybe he's my apologie was getting I was getting my

1340
01:10:26,359 --> 01:10:27,920
daughter in another room.

1341
01:10:28,079 --> 01:10:29,840
Speaker 1: What does it mean you're getting with the creation of God.

1342
01:10:33,399 --> 01:10:39,640
Speaker 19: I believe that God the Father spoke Jesus into existence.

1343
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:42,760
Speaker 1: I didn't ask what you believe, I said, what does.

1344
01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:46,840
Speaker 19: It means as the first as the first creation of God? First,

1345
01:10:47,359 --> 01:10:50,800
the first thing and the only thing the Father ever

1346
01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:52,720
created was Jesus.

1347
01:10:53,079 --> 01:10:55,159
Speaker 1: Prove that it means that he's the first thing he created.

1348
01:10:55,159 --> 01:10:59,359
Speaker 19: From this verse, Well, the the scriptures that you made

1349
01:10:59,439 --> 01:11:00,920
mention of, No, no, no.

1350
01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:03,399
Speaker 1: Way, we're not going to those. We're staying relationship. Take

1351
01:11:03,399 --> 01:11:04,800
it easy. Let's exegete.

1352
01:11:05,039 --> 01:11:05,399
Speaker 11: Okay.

1353
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:08,800
Speaker 19: So he says here these things say the Amen, Yeah,

1354
01:11:09,399 --> 01:11:13,600
the faithful, the true witness, the beginning of the creation

1355
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:14,159
of Gods.

1356
01:11:14,319 --> 01:11:18,359
Speaker 1: Well, what does the beginning creation mean that he is created?

1357
01:11:19,880 --> 01:11:23,000
Speaker 19: Well, because he says he's the beginning of the creation.

1358
01:11:24,119 --> 01:11:29,640
Speaker 1: Friend, repeating this wording does not tell me what does

1359
01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:31,319
it mean from the creation.

1360
01:11:31,079 --> 01:11:34,319
Speaker 19: Of God that means he's the He's the first thing

1361
01:11:35,119 --> 01:11:37,000
that the Father brought into existence.

1362
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:43,560
Speaker 1: Absolutely not, because the word beginning our k can mean source, beginner,

1363
01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:48,520
and ruler. I agree interpretation that it means he's the

1364
01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:52,760
beginning because God began the creation by creating him force.

1365
01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:57,279
Because the word ark in revelation itself as well as

1366
01:11:57,279 --> 01:12:02,760
a New Testament can mean source, beginner, and or ruler.

1367
01:12:03,039 --> 01:12:05,359
Speaker 11: Proof, I agree.

1368
01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:05,960
Speaker 4: I'm not.

1369
01:12:06,039 --> 01:12:07,479
Speaker 11: I'm not. I'm not debating that.

1370
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:11,800
Speaker 19: But in the in the in the context of the

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01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:16,039
scripture here, you know, in the context of the scripture

1372
01:12:16,079 --> 01:12:19,960
here it says here that he that he, that is

1373
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:24,079
that he these things say the amen number.

1374
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:26,520
Speaker 1: One, that's the name of God in Isaiah sixty five,

1375
01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:27,319
sixteen year baron.

1376
01:12:27,399 --> 01:12:30,119
Speaker 4: I'm not, I'm not. I'm not debating that. I agree

1377
01:12:30,159 --> 01:12:30,359
to that.

1378
01:12:30,479 --> 01:12:33,640
Speaker 1: Oh No, listen to yourself. Man, If God is the

1379
01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:38,680
amen and Jesus is the amen, that means Revelation is

1380
01:12:38,720 --> 01:12:42,119
identifying Christ as they ahweh God the God who is

1381
01:12:42,119 --> 01:12:45,439
the amen. You know you're not listening because if you're listening,

1382
01:12:45,439 --> 01:12:48,199
you're refuting yourself. Because if he's the God who is

1383
01:12:48,239 --> 01:12:50,920
the Amen. He's not the creature, He's the creator.

1384
01:12:51,159 --> 01:12:51,760
Speaker 4: He show you.

1385
01:12:52,239 --> 01:12:55,119
Speaker 1: So, no, you're not listening. So I try it again.

1386
01:12:56,239 --> 01:12:59,720
Pretend you're listening. You're not here. Let me show you.

1387
01:13:01,319 --> 01:13:06,640
So let me go right here. Second, all right, here

1388
01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:09,079
you go. Look at the context of isaais six of five,

1389
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because that's the context of revelation.

1390
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:11,119
Speaker 16: There you go.

1391
01:13:12,439 --> 01:13:14,760
Speaker 1: Those who pronounce a blessing in land will do so

1392
01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:19,560
by the God called Amn. Okay, those who make a

1393
01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:23,720
solemn pledge in the land will do so by the

1394
01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:28,119
God called a man. Past troubles will be forgotten and

1395
01:13:28,239 --> 01:13:31,439
him from my sight, Look, I'm creating a new heavenu

1396
01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:34,800
or a gie. Isn't that the theme in revelation? The

1397
01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:38,159
God called Amen is the creator of the new heaven earth.

1398
01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:41,600
So if I read revelation light of the Old Testament,

1399
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which John is calling from, he is not created. He

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01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:49,119
is the one who begins creation because he's the Amen,

1401
01:13:49,359 --> 01:13:50,720
which is a title for God.

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01:13:52,399 --> 01:13:55,880
Speaker 4: If I may, if I so this.

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01:13:57,680 --> 01:14:00,039
Speaker 19: Chapter there in Isaiah sixty eight, that's not it. I

1404
01:14:00,079 --> 01:14:01,880
don't use that in reference to the Father.

1405
01:14:03,239 --> 01:14:06,560
Speaker 1: Okay, repeat my argument. I want to see if you

1406
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:06,840
got it.

1407
01:14:07,399 --> 01:14:10,399
Speaker 4: You're saying that the amen is the is God the

1408
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:11,520
Father because he was.

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01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:13,840
Speaker 1: I didn't say God the Father, No, because I don't mean.

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01:14:14,119 --> 01:14:16,319
Speaker 19: Well, you just said yeah, you just said God. You

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01:14:16,439 --> 01:14:19,239
just said God and its totality, which and I'm fine

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with that.

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01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:21,359
Speaker 1: But no, one, you're not fine with that. Finished. My

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01:14:21,439 --> 01:14:23,800
point was Mark, because you didn't listen. You haven't because.

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01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:26,279
Speaker 19: Your Mark, Well, No, The point I wanted to make

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01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:29,359
is that the distinction between the two.

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01:14:31,039 --> 01:14:32,760
Speaker 4: It is important. Okay.

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01:14:34,079 --> 01:14:37,560
Speaker 1: The one who is the amen is the one who

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01:14:37,640 --> 01:14:40,760
creates the new heavens and the new Earth. In the

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01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:43,479
context of relation, which talks about you having new Earth

1421
01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:48,359
Relation twenty one. Here John is not telling you that

1422
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:54,920
Christ was created. No, he's the one who begins creates

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01:14:55,119 --> 01:14:58,880
the creation of God. Because he's identifying him as the

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01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:01,279
creator by calling him Amen.

1425
01:15:01,640 --> 01:15:02,479
Speaker 5: What are you not getting?

1426
01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:04,680
Speaker 11: So let me ask you this.

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01:15:04,920 --> 01:15:09,159
Speaker 19: Are you saying that the beginning of the creation of God?

1428
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:11,680
But how do you how do you define that meaning?

1429
01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:15,319
Speaker 1: He's the one who begins the creation that God wanted

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01:15:15,399 --> 01:15:19,399
to exist because Top the Father appoints Jesus the Son

1431
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:21,840
to be the agent that created all things that John

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01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:22,680
one three to four.

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Speaker 5: I agree to that.

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01:15:24,159 --> 01:15:26,199
Speaker 1: Okay, Then that doesn't mean he's a creature. So what's

1435
01:15:26,239 --> 01:15:26,880
your next proof?

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01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:28,000
Speaker 11: Okay?

1437
01:15:28,159 --> 01:15:31,800
Speaker 19: So once again, creature in a sense not like us,

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01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:33,520
but creature in the sense that he's brought in.

1439
01:15:33,560 --> 01:15:35,520
Speaker 1: It doesn't chow he's a creature in any sense. What's

1440
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:36,319
the next argument?

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01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:37,039
Speaker 4: Okay?

1442
01:15:37,640 --> 01:15:40,920
Speaker 1: Let me ask you the next question in relation twenty

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01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:42,960
one six to seven. So you understand the word beginning

1444
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:45,960
didn't help your case. Okay, watch your relation twenty one

1445
01:15:46,039 --> 01:15:49,039
six to seven. Then he said to me, they are dynamic,

1446
01:15:49,039 --> 01:15:52,039
the alphan to maga, the beginning. In the end, I

1447
01:15:52,119 --> 01:15:54,159
will give to the one who thirst from the spring

1448
01:15:54,199 --> 01:15:57,560
of the water of life without cost. He who overcomes

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01:15:57,600 --> 01:15:59,479
will inherit these things, and I'll be his God. He'll

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01:15:59,479 --> 01:16:02,239
be my son. Now here's that same old beginning. Okay.

1451
01:16:03,239 --> 01:16:06,119
Now here God is saying he's the beginning. Now, you

1452
01:16:06,159 --> 01:16:07,920
wouldn't tell me that God had a.

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01:16:07,960 --> 01:16:11,359
Speaker 4: Beginning, right, No, I don't believe that's God the Father.

1454
01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:13,920
Speaker 5: Okay.

1455
01:16:14,399 --> 01:16:17,039
Speaker 1: You wouldn't tell me that God is the beginning, right.

1456
01:16:19,359 --> 01:16:21,920
You wouldn't tell me that God has a beginning, right,

1457
01:16:21,960 --> 01:16:26,159
because he says he's the beginning in the end. No, okay,

1458
01:16:26,479 --> 01:16:28,239
So what does it mean here that God is the

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01:16:28,279 --> 01:16:28,800
beginning in the.

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01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:32,439
Speaker 4: End, because there's a starting point to his existence.

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01:16:34,439 --> 01:16:36,520
Speaker 1: That's not what it says that.

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01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:37,920
Speaker 4: That's exactly what it is.

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01:16:38,119 --> 01:16:40,840
Speaker 1: Okay, But you're wasting my time here because here it

1464
01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:43,399
says I'll be his God, he'll be my son. So

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01:16:43,479 --> 01:16:44,199
whose son are you?

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01:16:45,039 --> 01:16:45,319
Speaker 11: Okay?

1467
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:49,760
Speaker 19: So let me ask this question because I no, no,

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01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:51,159
I don't want to change the subject. We're still on

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01:16:51,199 --> 01:16:52,840
a subject. I just want to ask a question. He

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01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:54,920
asked you about that verse and verse seven.

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Speaker 11: What does that mean?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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01:16:56,960 --> 01:16:57,239
Speaker 11: Okay?

1474
01:16:57,399 --> 01:17:00,800
Speaker 19: So I believe that once the father heated the son,

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01:17:01,880 --> 01:17:05,720
he made the son to have dominion and authority, and

1476
01:17:05,880 --> 01:17:09,199
through the son all things were created. Calling according.

1477
01:17:10,359 --> 01:17:13,720
Speaker 4: Who's the god in verse seven, that's that's Jesus.

1478
01:17:13,880 --> 01:17:16,039
Speaker 1: That's what it says, he will be his son. So

1479
01:17:16,199 --> 01:17:17,399
Jesus is God the father.

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01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:23,159
Speaker 19: When he says that you will be his son, Jesus

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01:17:23,880 --> 01:17:27,000
the Father has given Jesus the right to bear son.

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01:17:27,159 --> 01:17:29,560
That's why we must be born again. And how are

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01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:30,960
we born again? We're body again?

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01:17:31,479 --> 01:17:34,399
Speaker 1: Running to John three. In this context, it says I

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01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:36,840
will be as God, he will be my son. Are

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01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:39,079
you son of Jesus? Or the son of the Father.

1487
01:17:40,199 --> 01:17:42,000
Speaker 4: We are we are sons of Jesus.

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01:17:43,399 --> 01:17:46,840
Speaker 1: That's not what the Bible says sons of.

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Speaker 4: And I believe that, but that there there's a time

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01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:52,319
element in that for that to happen.

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01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:58,359
Speaker 19: That that's when, that's when, that's when Jesus, after he

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01:17:58,479 --> 01:18:02,560
has put all things on the his what he himself

1493
01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:03,640
will also submit.

1494
01:18:04,159 --> 01:18:06,960
Speaker 1: Now you're you're now butchering First Christians fifteen twenty eight.

1495
01:18:07,640 --> 01:18:09,479
Do you even know what that means? So let me

1496
01:18:09,560 --> 01:18:11,359
see how much Bible butcher you're gonna do.

1497
01:18:12,760 --> 01:18:12,960
Speaker 5: Well?

1498
01:18:13,039 --> 01:18:16,159
Speaker 1: Okay, Oh no, he went to First Christian fifteen twenty ran.

1499
01:18:16,760 --> 01:18:21,439
But even there it's okay, what does it mean that

1500
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:24,880
when Christ hence the kingdom over to God, he will

1501
01:18:24,920 --> 01:18:27,399
subject himself to God so that God will be all?

1502
01:18:27,640 --> 01:18:28,760
That means he'll stop raining?

1503
01:18:30,039 --> 01:18:32,720
Speaker 19: Okay, So let me ask you this if in terms

1504
01:18:32,760 --> 01:18:35,960
of reigning, in terms of reigning, in terms of reigning,

1505
01:18:36,600 --> 01:18:39,880
how many how many thrones are there to rain?

1506
01:18:40,159 --> 01:18:42,960
Speaker 1: Can you answer my question? What does it mean when

1507
01:18:43,159 --> 01:18:46,520
Christ will subject himself to God? Doesn't mean he stops ruling.

1508
01:18:47,079 --> 01:18:48,640
Speaker 4: No, it does not mean he stops fuling.

1509
01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:51,039
Speaker 1: Okay, So then what does this verse have to do

1510
01:18:51,119 --> 01:18:52,640
with Revelation twenty one six to seven.

1511
01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:54,720
Speaker 11: Which verse are you talking about?

1512
01:18:56,960 --> 01:18:57,119
Speaker 5: Jay?

1513
01:18:57,119 --> 01:18:58,600
Speaker 1: If you want to chat me up, brother, because.

1514
01:18:58,439 --> 01:19:02,760
Speaker 4: This guy is Okay, So if I can, if I can,

1515
01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:03,840
just if i can, just.

1516
01:19:05,479 --> 01:19:08,560
Speaker 19: Make two points and then if i'm if I'm if

1517
01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:11,199
I'm if I'm wrong, I'm open, I'm willing to.

1518
01:19:15,239 --> 01:19:15,600
Speaker 1: Worship.

1519
01:19:16,479 --> 01:19:16,880
Speaker 4: Worship.

1520
01:19:17,439 --> 01:19:17,680
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1521
01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:21,439
Speaker 4: That that that's something that is done to God. Correct.

1522
01:19:21,880 --> 01:19:24,479
Speaker 11: Yeah, not creatures, which means that you can't worship the

1523
01:19:24,520 --> 01:19:25,000
Son of God.

1524
01:19:25,720 --> 01:19:26,159
Speaker 4: That's fine.

1525
01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:28,439
Speaker 11: How can that be fine? If that refuge?

1526
01:19:29,039 --> 01:19:31,840
Speaker 19: Let's let's put the creature aspect to the side, just briefly,

1527
01:19:32,119 --> 01:19:39,359
just so with regards to worship. Yeah, is there anywhere

1528
01:19:39,479 --> 01:19:45,600
in scripture where it tells us to worship the spirit? Okay?

1529
01:19:45,720 --> 01:19:50,439
Speaker 11: Yes, go at you well when Jesus says that he

1530
01:19:50,520 --> 01:19:52,079
will come to you as the comforter.

1531
01:19:52,439 --> 01:19:52,560
Speaker 1: Uh.

1532
01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:56,640
Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean the entire passage of the High priestly

1533
01:19:56,720 --> 01:20:00,119
Prayer includes the Holy Spirit that's having all of the

1534
01:20:00,199 --> 01:20:01,239
powers and attributes.

1535
01:20:02,079 --> 01:20:05,720
Speaker 4: Is there anywhere in the Bible does it tell us to.

1536
01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:10,479
Speaker 1: Okay, is there anywhere in the Bible that says that

1537
01:20:10,720 --> 01:20:14,960
Jesus is your father and those exact words, Yes, those

1538
01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:16,680
exact words. I'm going to bury. You show it to me.

1539
01:20:19,800 --> 01:20:20,279
Speaker 6: Here in.

1540
01:20:22,600 --> 01:20:24,399
Speaker 1: These guys are not listening to this guy's You've been

1541
01:20:24,399 --> 01:20:27,720
making Mohmed look intelligent. Show me where it says Jesus

1542
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:29,560
is your father and those exact words.

1543
01:20:30,720 --> 01:20:31,640
Speaker 11: I'm getting the scripture.

1544
01:20:32,199 --> 01:20:33,840
Speaker 1: I guarantee you it's not there someone, and I'm going

1545
01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:35,520
to have to tear your shows when you don't show

1546
01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:37,319
it to me. But gohed because you didn't understand why question.

1547
01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:40,079
Go ahead, We'll tell me Isaiah ninety six because it's

1548
01:20:40,079 --> 01:20:40,840
going to be your funeral.

1549
01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:45,000
Speaker 4: Okay, So what you don't like that scripture?

1550
01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:47,880
Speaker 1: Okay, did you hear what my question was? Pretend you're not.

1551
01:20:49,399 --> 01:20:49,800
Speaker 4: Isaiah?

1552
01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:52,640
Speaker 1: No, I didn't sell what I asked you. I said,

1553
01:20:52,760 --> 01:20:55,119
I pretend you're not slow like Mohammad. I said, Can

1554
01:20:55,199 --> 01:20:58,000
you show me where it says Jesus is your father?

1555
01:20:58,319 --> 01:21:00,399
Not a verse word says ever last father.

1556
01:21:02,760 --> 01:21:04,079
Speaker 11: No, the scripture doesn't say that.

1557
01:21:04,319 --> 01:21:07,239
Speaker 1: Okay, Now can you stop with these stupid arguments that

1558
01:21:07,359 --> 01:21:09,039
the Bible has to say it the way you like,

1559
01:21:09,279 --> 01:21:11,159
otherwise it's not true. But now I'm gonna beary you here.

1560
01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:15,560
Second content is thirteen fourteen The Grace of the Lord

1561
01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:17,960
Jeesus Christ, the Love of God and the fellowship. Will

1562
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:19,720
the Spirit be with you all. Do you know what

1563
01:21:19,800 --> 01:21:22,079
a benediction is? Pretend you know the Bible. Do you

1564
01:21:22,119 --> 01:21:23,119
know what a benediction is?

1565
01:21:23,640 --> 01:21:24,079
Speaker 4: Yes? I do?

1566
01:21:24,680 --> 01:21:25,520
Speaker 1: What is a benediction?

1567
01:21:26,319 --> 01:21:29,319
Speaker 11: A benediction is a blessing that is pronounced on someone.

1568
01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:31,840
Speaker 1: And who do you invoke to bless?

1569
01:21:34,359 --> 01:21:36,000
Speaker 11: What do you mean? Who you invoke to bless?

1570
01:21:36,039 --> 01:21:38,640
Speaker 1: Do you invoke your grandmother to bless? When you're doing

1571
01:21:38,680 --> 01:21:41,000
in benediction? Who do you invoke? You give the blessing?

1572
01:21:42,479 --> 01:21:43,840
Speaker 11: You invoke God to bless?

1573
01:21:44,159 --> 01:21:46,800
Speaker 1: You just buried yourself because here's a benediction and he's

1574
01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:48,640
invoking the Holy Spirit in your face.

1575
01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:52,199
Speaker 4: That's not that's not invoking the Holy Spirit.

1576
01:21:52,359 --> 01:21:56,000
Speaker 1: That is a benediction the grace of the Lord Jesus.

1577
01:21:57,399 --> 01:21:59,199
Speaker 4: Say bye bye.

1578
01:22:00,680 --> 01:22:01,920
Speaker 1: Bye bye bye bye.

1579
01:22:02,079 --> 01:22:05,199
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1580
01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:12,000
Speaker 12: So, Sam, what would you what? What do you what

1581
01:22:12,079 --> 01:22:13,840
would you rather do with? Would you rather deal with

1582
01:22:13,920 --> 01:22:15,079
the Muslim or a heretic?

1583
01:22:15,960 --> 01:22:18,199
Speaker 1: Man? I don't know, man, because these guys are I

1584
01:22:18,279 --> 01:22:22,000
don't know if they're demonized and they're like challenged mentally

1585
01:22:22,039 --> 01:22:25,600
because they don't hear what you're saying. So I don't know.

1586
01:22:25,880 --> 01:22:28,600
I mean, you know it's hard because you see, I

1587
01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:32,000
asked him one thing. He pretends he heard me, and

1588
01:22:32,159 --> 01:22:34,680
yet he goes to a passaty thinks I'm not aware

1589
01:22:34,680 --> 01:22:36,319
of it. And then you see how I beat him too, Right,

1590
01:22:36,479 --> 01:22:38,279
I gonna go to Isaiah nine six because you're gonna

1591
01:22:38,279 --> 01:22:38,600
get buried.

1592
01:22:38,640 --> 01:22:38,920
Speaker 5: Ahah.

1593
01:22:38,960 --> 01:22:41,680
Speaker 1: Well you don't like that because there's he's a lasting

1594
01:22:41,720 --> 01:22:45,119
father would say he's my father, right, But anyway, I'm

1595
01:22:45,119 --> 01:22:45,840
sorry to go ahead.

1596
01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:49,319
Speaker 11: I mean I was gonna go to Hebrews one because

1597
01:22:49,359 --> 01:22:50,359
that man, I mean.

1598
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:53,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, because he wants to say where does it say

1599
01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:57,239
worshipillly Spirit? Where in secrements? In thirteen fourteen? That's a benediction.

1600
01:22:58,039 --> 01:23:01,239
You're invoking Christ to bestow grace, God to fill us

1601
01:23:01,279 --> 01:23:03,239
with love and the Holy Spirit to produce fellowship. Well, no,

1602
01:23:03,319 --> 01:23:04,720
that's not a mantiction, that's not a prink.

1603
01:23:05,319 --> 01:23:07,520
Speaker 11: Well, I mean the psalms, he sent his word and

1604
01:23:07,640 --> 01:23:11,199
they were created. That means the Spirit is the creator.

1605
01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:13,199
So how's the spirit going to be a creature If

1606
01:23:13,199 --> 01:23:13,840
he's the creator.

1607
01:23:15,800 --> 01:23:17,960
Speaker 1: What's the wrong with you? Which was going to be

1608
01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:18,479
the next one.

1609
01:23:18,399 --> 01:23:19,920
Speaker 11: We're going to, Well, how does that so he's not

1610
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:21,800
a person, but he creates. I mean that doesn't make

1611
01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:22,239
any sense.

1612
01:23:22,439 --> 01:23:23,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, it makes perfect sense.

1613
01:23:23,800 --> 01:23:25,680
Speaker 1: Come on, man, you gotta be a Muhammed and to

1614
01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:26,479
understand this logic.

1615
01:23:26,520 --> 01:23:27,000
Speaker 4: What's wrong with you?

1616
01:23:27,119 --> 01:23:27,279
Speaker 20: Jay?

1617
01:23:28,319 --> 01:23:28,720
Speaker 1: Logically?

1618
01:23:29,560 --> 01:23:35,319
Speaker 12: All right, let's see here. Let's see here. We got

1619
01:23:35,359 --> 01:23:37,079
a super chef from JJ says. I hope you guys

1620
01:23:37,199 --> 01:23:39,159
understand that a lot of people do not have good

1621
01:23:39,279 --> 01:23:43,279
reading comprehension, hence quote unquote Bible butchers.

1622
01:23:44,319 --> 01:23:45,079
Speaker 4: Yeah, I live.

1623
01:23:45,199 --> 01:23:49,199
Speaker 9: Bring up the next guy. Uh Man, you're on the stage.

1624
01:23:49,199 --> 01:23:49,640
How you doing?

1625
01:23:50,600 --> 01:23:50,760
Speaker 5: Hey?

1626
01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:52,159
Speaker 21: You guys can hear me?

1627
01:23:52,880 --> 01:23:53,079
Speaker 5: Yep?

1628
01:23:54,239 --> 01:23:54,560
Speaker 4: All right.

1629
01:23:54,680 --> 01:23:57,680
Speaker 21: So first of all, I'm going to say I'm a

1630
01:23:57,720 --> 01:24:02,439
big fan of three of you. So I'm still learning

1631
01:24:02,479 --> 01:24:07,520
about the Bible and Christianity. So I have a few questions.

1632
01:24:08,159 --> 01:24:11,560
First let's talk about the treaty, because what.

1633
01:24:13,399 --> 01:24:14,439
Speaker 9: Religion are you coming from?

1634
01:24:15,439 --> 01:24:20,960
Speaker 21: Well, I'm an atheist. I'm I'm still learning. I'm reading

1635
01:24:21,000 --> 01:24:25,399
both the Bible, both the Old with New Testament, and

1636
01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:26,039
I read some.

1637
01:24:26,079 --> 01:24:31,520
Speaker 4: Of the Quran. It's bad. Let's not talk about it's bad. Okay,

1638
01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:34,319
So you don't believe you So you don't believe Mohammed's

1639
01:24:34,319 --> 01:24:34,960
a true prophet?

1640
01:24:35,680 --> 01:24:39,720
Speaker 21: No, I think he's he's afraid of him, so Muhammad,

1641
01:24:39,840 --> 01:24:41,560
so let's don't talk about him.

1642
01:24:42,159 --> 01:24:44,880
Speaker 11: By the way, I apologize, I I misquoted. I wanted

1643
01:24:44,920 --> 01:24:46,680
to be clear. I was thinking of the verse song

1644
01:24:46,840 --> 01:24:48,520
thirty three. By the word of the Lord, the heavens

1645
01:24:48,560 --> 01:24:50,880
were made, and by the stars by the breath of

1646
01:24:50,960 --> 01:24:52,720
his mouth, the breath being the spirits. What I was,

1647
01:24:52,840 --> 01:24:55,119
what I quoted and said word I meant to say,

1648
01:24:55,199 --> 01:24:57,079
by the breath of his mouth. Excuse me? Good?

1649
01:24:58,479 --> 01:24:59,039
Speaker 5: So I.

1650
01:25:01,800 --> 01:25:02,439
Speaker 17: Let them.

1651
01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:05,479
Speaker 21: I'm gonna say what I understand about a trinity, So

1652
01:25:06,159 --> 01:25:08,840
you guys can explain more to me if I'm wrong

1653
01:25:08,920 --> 01:25:09,039
or not.

1654
01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:13,680
Speaker 12: Well, what do you tell you that the trinity is

1655
01:25:13,960 --> 01:25:16,520
the concept of God. There's only one God who exists

1656
01:25:16,640 --> 01:25:20,760
three distinct persons. Yeah, so what is your problem with that?

1657
01:25:21,239 --> 01:25:21,439
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1658
01:25:21,479 --> 01:25:26,239
Speaker 21: Because as I understand there, I note it down. So

1659
01:25:27,239 --> 01:25:30,000
I think there are three points of what a trinity is.

1660
01:25:30,720 --> 01:25:38,279
So first there's only one God. Two God is three

1661
01:25:38,439 --> 01:25:44,920
coexisting eternal persons, and three each person.

1662
01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:46,000
Speaker 4: Is fully God.

1663
01:25:46,840 --> 01:25:49,840
Speaker 9: Is it correct? Yep?

1664
01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:57,560
Speaker 21: Wow, got the first time. So yeah, I think that's correct.

1665
01:25:57,600 --> 01:26:01,840
It because I'm trying to explain it to my girlfriend.

1666
01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:07,199
She and I are looking into it, reading the Bible, together.

1667
01:26:07,199 --> 01:26:12,720
Speaker 4: So yeah, so do you have a problem with that theology.

1668
01:26:12,399 --> 01:26:17,000
Speaker 21: Or yeah, yeah, just trying to understand it but then

1669
01:26:17,199 --> 01:26:20,399
explain it more clearly to her so she can understand it.

1670
01:26:21,239 --> 01:26:24,760
Because I think my knowledge is not very well well

1671
01:26:24,800 --> 01:26:27,720
knowledge in this area. So I think you guys can

1672
01:26:27,840 --> 01:26:29,880
help me out with how to explain it, how to

1673
01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:34,920
how to demonstrate it, because it's hard to come up

1674
01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:36,199
with like an example.

1675
01:26:36,640 --> 01:26:37,159
Speaker 4: I guess.

1676
01:26:39,319 --> 01:26:40,920
Speaker 11: Well, I mean I would argue that there's a lot

1677
01:26:41,000 --> 01:26:44,279
of things, like, you know, if you are an atheist

1678
01:26:44,439 --> 01:26:48,640
or agnostic background, then you probably know about science or mathematics.

1679
01:26:48,680 --> 01:26:51,319
I mean, in mathematics, was a lot of things that

1680
01:26:52,960 --> 01:26:56,600
maybe mirror or image this idea. You know, you could

1681
01:26:56,640 --> 01:27:00,680
talk about numbers being raised to the third or something

1682
01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:03,399
like that, or the number three is it one or

1683
01:27:03,520 --> 01:27:03,960
is it three?

1684
01:27:04,159 --> 01:27:04,279
Speaker 4: Right?

1685
01:27:04,319 --> 01:27:07,960
Speaker 11: If I use the Arabic numeral three, that's something that's

1686
01:27:08,079 --> 01:27:11,520
both a singular thing but it's also three. So even

1687
01:27:11,560 --> 01:27:14,119
in the created realm, there are things that we know

1688
01:27:14,239 --> 01:27:17,239
about and we're very familiar with that are not either

1689
01:27:17,359 --> 01:27:20,319
one or three. So the idea that something can't be

1690
01:27:20,399 --> 01:27:22,760
both in is kind of I would say, just from

1691
01:27:22,800 --> 01:27:26,720
the outset negated by that point, they're all kinds of

1692
01:27:26,800 --> 01:27:29,600
things that can be one end many at the same time,

1693
01:27:30,119 --> 01:27:33,960
so we wouldn't necessarily think that that's impossible for God.

1694
01:27:34,680 --> 01:27:37,840
And the trinity is not any more illogical than say,

1695
01:27:38,239 --> 01:27:41,079
the Unitarian positions, because they also have to also they

1696
01:27:41,079 --> 01:27:44,199
also have to account for multiplicity. So in other words,

1697
01:27:44,239 --> 01:27:45,720
if you say, well, there's just one God but a

1698
01:27:45,760 --> 01:27:48,039
bunch of attributes, like the Muslims say, well, you still

1699
01:27:48,079 --> 01:27:50,920
have to deal with multiplicity in a law and have

1700
01:27:51,039 --> 01:27:53,520
to give an account for that. I'm not trying to

1701
01:27:53,560 --> 01:27:56,760
say that unitarianism makes sense. I'm just saying that, really,

1702
01:27:56,840 --> 01:27:59,279
I would argue that a Trinitarian talk of theology is

1703
01:27:59,319 --> 01:28:02,119
the only one that make sense. Because God was for

1704
01:28:02,239 --> 01:28:07,159
all eternity just a sole, unitary being, then the exercise

1705
01:28:07,279 --> 01:28:10,760
of his powers and attributes was actually contingent upon there

1706
01:28:10,840 --> 01:28:14,279
being a created world. But if God was an eternal triad,

1707
01:28:14,840 --> 01:28:17,840
then there's all kinds of attributes or energies that God

1708
01:28:18,079 --> 01:28:22,000
had and exercised and experienced amongst the triad, amongst the

1709
01:28:22,000 --> 01:28:25,880
three persons, and didn't require created order. So in other words,

1710
01:28:25,960 --> 01:28:29,079
the Father was always had an eternal relationship to the

1711
01:28:29,159 --> 01:28:31,399
Son and to the Spirit, and so there was always

1712
01:28:31,439 --> 01:28:34,199
a communion of love and glory and so forth, and

1713
01:28:34,319 --> 01:28:37,680
that never required a created order for God to have

1714
01:28:38,359 --> 01:28:42,039
that reality that exercised that communion.

1715
01:28:42,800 --> 01:28:45,319
Speaker 9: So they.

1716
01:28:46,880 --> 01:28:51,960
Speaker 21: At the same time they exist eternally together, right, Yeah. So,

1717
01:28:52,479 --> 01:28:55,199
because I have a little bit of problem when reading

1718
01:28:55,319 --> 01:28:58,479
the Old Testament, because I feel like the God in

1719
01:28:58,560 --> 01:29:02,720
the Old Testament he feels like a different character than

1720
01:29:02,840 --> 01:29:04,600
Jesus in a New Testament.

1721
01:29:04,920 --> 01:29:05,880
Speaker 4: Who do you who do you.

1722
01:29:05,880 --> 01:29:07,960
Speaker 11: Think that Angel the Lord is in all those passages?

1723
01:29:08,319 --> 01:29:08,479
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1724
01:29:08,520 --> 01:29:12,119
Speaker 21: I mean, I mean I read some verse have to

1725
01:29:12,720 --> 01:29:16,960
talk about slavery, and you're going off.

1726
01:29:16,880 --> 01:29:19,199
Speaker 11: In the difference. Who do you think the Angel the

1727
01:29:19,279 --> 01:29:21,319
Lord is in all those Old Testament passes?

1728
01:29:21,439 --> 01:29:21,479
Speaker 9: No?

1729
01:29:21,560 --> 01:29:24,840
Speaker 21: No, no, because because I feel like that they feel

1730
01:29:24,920 --> 01:29:25,760
too different to me.

1731
01:29:26,600 --> 01:29:28,239
Speaker 11: Did you not hear what I say. You're not gonna talk.

1732
01:29:28,279 --> 01:29:30,560
You're not going to listen to what I'm saying. You're

1733
01:29:30,600 --> 01:29:33,159
going to slavery. I'm talking about the Angel of the

1734
01:29:33,239 --> 01:29:35,000
Lord that's in all of these Old Testaments. You said

1735
01:29:35,039 --> 01:29:36,239
you read the Old Testament.

1736
01:29:35,960 --> 01:29:41,279
Speaker 4: Right, he's gone. I dropped him because I didn't since

1737
01:29:41,319 --> 01:29:41,600
that he.

1738
01:29:41,640 --> 01:29:42,079
Speaker 5: Was a troll.

1739
01:29:42,760 --> 01:29:45,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, he wanted to start attacking the ethical commands of

1740
01:29:45,439 --> 01:29:48,000
the Old Testament. He wanted to be a Martian ike,

1741
01:29:48,039 --> 01:29:48,600
but good.

1742
01:29:48,800 --> 01:29:53,399
Speaker 12: Yeah, jack Yan says, love you, Sam, blessings from me

1743
01:29:53,560 --> 01:29:55,239
too many nice?

1744
01:29:55,920 --> 01:29:58,159
Speaker 9: Right, you got somebody named da.

1745
01:29:59,000 --> 01:29:59,439
Speaker 5: How you doing?

1746
01:30:03,880 --> 01:30:04,359
Speaker 11: How you doing?

1747
01:30:04,439 --> 01:30:06,680
Speaker 4: How you doing? Pretty good? Man? Pretty good?

1748
01:30:07,439 --> 01:30:07,880
Speaker 11: How's a ben.

1749
01:30:07,960 --> 01:30:08,800
Speaker 4: There's been a long day.

1750
01:30:09,520 --> 01:30:11,359
Speaker 12: It's been a good day, man, It's been a great day.

1751
01:30:11,399 --> 01:30:14,159
Blessed by the Lord. Yeah, yeah, yeah, how about you?

1752
01:30:14,279 --> 01:30:15,399
You've been have a good day?

1753
01:30:15,640 --> 01:30:17,199
Speaker 17: Yeah, it's been it's been a great day.

1754
01:30:17,279 --> 01:30:17,439
Speaker 11: Man.

1755
01:30:18,159 --> 01:30:20,079
Speaker 22: I have a have a have a have a question

1756
01:30:20,199 --> 01:30:24,760
for you guys. You know you guys you know, debate

1757
01:30:24,840 --> 01:30:28,640
this a lot, but I'm pretty I want to say,

1758
01:30:28,640 --> 01:30:31,159
I'm pretty confident on this being Muhammad in the Bible.

1759
01:30:33,159 --> 01:30:35,239
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I know, I know, I know, I know.

1760
01:30:35,880 --> 01:30:40,079
Speaker 22: No, but listen, okay, mm hmmm, We're just okay, let

1761
01:30:40,159 --> 01:30:42,640
me I'm going to take up to two verses. But

1762
01:30:42,760 --> 01:30:44,520
first let me let me let me take up I

1763
01:30:44,640 --> 01:30:46,359
watched your video Sam on this.

1764
01:30:47,920 --> 01:30:49,439
Speaker 1: I can't get to the I love you, I swear,

1765
01:30:49,479 --> 01:30:52,199
but get to the verse I love you icewear okay, Okay,

1766
01:30:53,039 --> 01:30:54,720
my brother, you man, I swear I love.

1767
01:30:54,640 --> 01:30:59,880
Speaker 22: You Okay, listen, listen. I watched your video on video

1768
01:31:00,079 --> 01:31:03,520
on like dorn In eighteen eighteen. Yeah, and you know

1769
01:31:03,800 --> 01:31:06,199
I tried applying it, but it doesn't make sense.

1770
01:31:07,399 --> 01:31:10,079
Speaker 1: So what verses about Muhammad? Not about what makes sense

1771
01:31:10,119 --> 01:31:10,239
to you?

1772
01:31:10,279 --> 01:31:13,000
Speaker 22: I'm waiting for the verses listen, because I ran into

1773
01:31:13,039 --> 01:31:18,199
a problem. Okay if you No, I ran into a

1774
01:31:18,239 --> 01:31:20,920
little problem with it. So your your explanation is good,

1775
01:31:20,960 --> 01:31:23,960
but up until how can you okay, can you prove

1776
01:31:24,039 --> 01:31:26,399
to me Jesus is an Israelie?

1777
01:31:26,960 --> 01:31:28,239
Speaker 4: Just what I have to do with?

1778
01:31:28,359 --> 01:31:30,000
Speaker 1: You're going to show us Mohammad in the Bible.

1779
01:31:30,520 --> 01:31:31,800
Speaker 5: So the verses?

1780
01:31:32,399 --> 01:31:34,720
Speaker 17: No, I was talking about do me eighteen eighteen?

1781
01:31:35,119 --> 01:31:36,439
Speaker 1: So where are the verses? What Mama?

1782
01:31:36,760 --> 01:31:37,520
Speaker 10: Did I miss hear him?

1783
01:31:37,520 --> 01:31:38,880
Speaker 1: Did he say he's going to show us Mama in

1784
01:31:38,920 --> 01:31:39,279
the Bible?

1785
01:31:39,560 --> 01:31:40,199
Speaker 4: That's what he said.

1786
01:31:40,680 --> 01:31:41,199
Speaker 1: I was saying.

1787
01:31:42,399 --> 01:31:44,600
Speaker 4: I was saying, I believe it's him. I don't believe

1788
01:31:44,640 --> 01:31:46,680
it's Jesus.

1789
01:31:48,039 --> 01:31:50,079
Speaker 1: What's the verses about Muhammad? Which one is it.

1790
01:31:51,560 --> 01:31:53,399
Speaker 4: Like in the bi Yeah? Don me eighteen eighteen?

1791
01:31:53,840 --> 01:31:57,279
Speaker 10: So you now quote it duronomy, So don't run from

1792
01:31:58,039 --> 01:32:01,960
please as well try to get somebody serious because we

1793
01:32:02,359 --> 01:32:04,600
don't got much time left, So trying to get some

1794
01:32:04,720 --> 01:32:05,600
serious people here.

1795
01:32:06,600 --> 01:32:09,279
Speaker 4: Jason Torrez, how you doing good?

1796
01:32:09,359 --> 01:32:09,520
Speaker 6: Good?

1797
01:32:09,600 --> 01:32:10,479
Speaker 5: How can you give me?

1798
01:32:11,359 --> 01:32:12,720
Speaker 9: I can hear you? My friend?

1799
01:32:12,800 --> 01:32:14,079
Speaker 4: Do you rejected Kennedy?

1800
01:32:15,279 --> 01:32:16,399
Speaker 3: Not necessarily?

1801
01:32:16,479 --> 01:32:22,640
Speaker 23: And give me one second here, just one clarification for

1802
01:32:22,760 --> 01:32:26,079
my own sake personally. Okay, So we have the trinity

1803
01:32:29,000 --> 01:32:32,199
and then you have modalism. Right, I'm having trouble distinguishing,

1804
01:32:33,119 --> 01:32:34,560
you know, isn't.

1805
01:32:36,079 --> 01:32:37,600
Speaker 5: So you got to God the.

1806
01:32:37,640 --> 01:32:40,399
Speaker 3: Father got the Son, right, And that's a metaphor, right,

1807
01:32:40,439 --> 01:32:41,600
the father son is a metaphor.

1808
01:32:42,079 --> 01:32:43,159
Speaker 11: No, it's not a metaphor.

1809
01:32:43,680 --> 01:32:44,479
Speaker 3: It's not a metaphor.

1810
01:32:44,800 --> 01:32:46,479
Speaker 11: It's a real relationship.

1811
01:32:47,239 --> 01:32:49,199
Speaker 3: No, I get that. It is a real relationship.

1812
01:32:49,239 --> 01:32:53,000
Speaker 11: But well, that's not a metaphor. It's a real ontological relationship.

1813
01:32:53,000 --> 01:32:57,920
He's eternally generating a son. Okay.

1814
01:32:58,560 --> 01:32:59,880
Speaker 4: The old chapter John one is.

1815
01:32:59,880 --> 01:33:01,720
Speaker 11: A about the eternal generation of the songs.

1816
01:33:02,439 --> 01:33:04,720
Speaker 3: Right, Because Jesus is God incarnate.

1817
01:33:05,920 --> 01:33:10,079
Speaker 11: Correct incarnate, excuse me, God the Son incarnate.

1818
01:33:11,479 --> 01:33:14,720
Speaker 23: Jesus is God the Son incarnate, which means okay, so

1819
01:33:14,880 --> 01:33:16,079
he was the Word before.

1820
01:33:15,880 --> 01:33:17,520
Speaker 3: He was son, or he's always been the son.

1821
01:33:18,199 --> 01:33:20,319
Speaker 11: He is the Word and the Son from all eternity.

1822
01:33:21,239 --> 01:33:22,640
Speaker 3: He's the Son from all the tnity.

1823
01:33:23,560 --> 01:33:32,399
Speaker 12: Yes, all right, he's not the Father.

1824
01:33:32,880 --> 01:33:36,079
Speaker 23: There's a true distinction between him and the Father. No,

1825
01:33:36,199 --> 01:33:39,319
I get that, but it's in distinct the distinction. Wouldn't

1826
01:33:39,359 --> 01:33:39,520
that be?

1827
01:33:40,239 --> 01:33:43,800
Speaker 3: And I'll allegorically explain like, isn't Jesus God?

1828
01:33:45,359 --> 01:33:45,399
Speaker 5: Not?

1829
01:33:45,640 --> 01:33:47,520
Speaker 3: What I'm saying is Jesus is God and the Father

1830
01:33:47,680 --> 01:33:47,960
is God.

1831
01:33:48,279 --> 01:33:51,600
Speaker 4: Correct, Yes, because.

1832
01:33:51,399 --> 01:33:53,960
Speaker 11: They share the same nature, but they're distinct persons, just

1833
01:33:54,079 --> 01:33:56,600
like you, if you have a son, you're a distinct person,

1834
01:33:56,760 --> 01:33:58,279
but you share the same human nature.

1835
01:33:59,720 --> 01:34:01,079
Speaker 3: Right, But God is in God.

1836
01:34:01,119 --> 01:34:03,159
Speaker 23: The Father is in operation outside of time, while the

1837
01:34:03,239 --> 01:34:04,640
Son is in operation within time.

1838
01:34:04,880 --> 01:34:08,079
Speaker 11: Now the Son is an eternal divine person outside of

1839
01:34:08,159 --> 01:34:10,720
time as well. That's what John One says. We beheld

1840
01:34:10,800 --> 01:34:13,199
him and he was always in the bosom of the Father.

1841
01:34:13,319 --> 01:34:16,760
So he's walking around as the son in a human

1842
01:34:16,880 --> 01:34:19,199
nature and he's also in the bosom of the Father

1843
01:34:19,279 --> 01:34:19,960
at the same time.

1844
01:34:21,840 --> 01:34:23,560
Speaker 3: Okay, I can see that. I can get that, But

1845
01:34:23,640 --> 01:34:25,640
I'm talking about before incarnation.

1846
01:34:28,039 --> 01:34:31,680
Speaker 1: That Christ was there before creation as the son with

1847
01:34:31,840 --> 01:34:32,279
the Father.

1848
01:34:33,960 --> 01:34:38,239
Speaker 23: Yes, but what I'm saying, okay, so Christ is God's word,

1849
01:34:38,880 --> 01:34:45,079
right yep. So so if I'm trying to explain this

1850
01:34:45,159 --> 01:34:53,640
to somebody. Can you explain the communicosti idiom matsum, what

1851
01:34:54,359 --> 01:34:56,800
what the community Communicosti India made them?

1852
01:34:56,840 --> 01:34:59,039
Speaker 1: Can you explain that, I guess he's been here mats

1853
01:34:59,119 --> 01:35:00,520
like communicatu.

1854
01:35:01,359 --> 01:35:05,159
Speaker 11: The hyposthetic union, that's about Christ incarnate. That's just saying

1855
01:35:05,239 --> 01:35:09,000
that there's one person, the Son, that's acting, and what's

1856
01:35:09,079 --> 01:35:12,159
proper to both natures can be attributed to the one son.

1857
01:35:12,600 --> 01:35:15,640
So you could say that you know God died. You

1858
01:35:15,720 --> 01:35:19,079
could say that you know God was born. That's all

1859
01:35:19,159 --> 01:35:22,760
that means that one that the the names that are

1860
01:35:22,800 --> 01:35:26,760
proper to one nature, like being tired, that's proper to

1861
01:35:26,840 --> 01:35:29,359
the human nature. But you can say that, you can

1862
01:35:29,439 --> 01:35:33,039
say that God got tired because the second person that

1863
01:35:33,119 --> 01:35:35,720
God had has a human nature, which experience is really

1864
01:35:35,760 --> 01:35:39,520
getting tired. Doesn't mean that God literally became you know,

1865
01:35:39,680 --> 01:35:41,680
something else, or he changed or something like that.

1866
01:35:42,560 --> 01:35:48,680
Speaker 3: Okay, So when God walks into garden with Ham, and

1867
01:35:48,840 --> 01:35:51,920
when God is eating with Abraham, that's God.

1868
01:35:52,680 --> 01:35:53,960
Speaker 11: That's not the yes.

1869
01:35:54,239 --> 01:35:58,199
Speaker 23: Okay, So that's got the son, all right, And so

1870
01:35:58,359 --> 01:36:01,359
God the Father can only be seen through She's correct,

1871
01:36:02,560 --> 01:36:04,279
God the Father can only be seen through the Son.

1872
01:36:04,880 --> 01:36:09,520
Speaker 4: Correct. Just what Jesus says in John five, Right, Sam,

1873
01:36:10,319 --> 01:36:12,479
your thing is I muted it.

1874
01:36:12,560 --> 01:36:18,680
Speaker 11: It's all good, though, Jesus explains in John five that correct,

1875
01:36:18,760 --> 01:36:21,840
only the Father can only be seen in the Son.

1876
01:36:21,960 --> 01:36:25,399
Speaker 23: Correct, And those are that's called a christophany or theophany.

1877
01:36:26,359 --> 01:36:27,239
Speaker 11: Yeah, in the Old Testament?

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Speaker 4: Correct?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 23: So anytime God is seen and Jesus clarifies that he

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you can only see the Father through me, correct, Because I'm.

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Speaker 3: In the Father and I am head.

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Speaker 11: Why the Pharisees are so mad at him because he's

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saying that I'm the one that's appearing in the Old Testament, right, Okay.

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In other words, he's claiming to be God in those passages.

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Speaker 3: And that's not modalism, that's trinity.

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Speaker 11: Well, it proves that modalism is false because if no

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one sees the Father at any time, and they were

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seeing the tho, you can really think from the Father.

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Speaker 3: What did you say to Sam?

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Speaker 23: I didn't say anything, but okay, I'm sorry, I'm getting

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some background noise.

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Speaker 3: I thought I thought you were speaking over each other.

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Speaker 11: Just what I'm saying is that it disproves modalism because

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there if the Son is the one who's the face

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of the Father or the one that's appearing in the

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Old Testament. And Jesus says, no one sees the Father

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at any time. Then there has to be a distinction

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between the Father.

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Speaker 4: And the Son.

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Speaker 23: Right, But isn't that distinction that God can only be

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seen through corporeal manifestation.

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Speaker 11: Now the distinction is the second person of the Godhead,

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the eternal Son of the Father, is manifesting and revealing

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the person of the Father. That's why Jesus throughout the Gospel,

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John says, I came to tell you about and reveal

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the Father to you. And if you want to know

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and see the Father, you have to know and learn

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about me. But that doesn't mean that he is the Father,

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because he distinguishes himself as a different person from.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, just give me one second. Hold on a second.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna I'm gonna debate his his ceiling. I'm gonna

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debate that roof right there, that's the atheist roof.

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Speaker 11: I'm gonna repute it.

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Speaker 12: Oh man, Guys, as we're waiting for our guests to

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get back, go ahead and hit that like button.

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Speaker 6: Man.

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Speaker 12: We've been at this alm for about four hours now,

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it's been a excuse. We've been a pretty good stream.

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We got three and a half thousand lights on god Logic.

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How many likes you got over there on Shermonium.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah I got uh let me see it o too, Yeah,

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because we had over four thousands.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, so let's get let's get the thousand likes up.

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I go ahead and go ahead.

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Speaker 24: Continue Jason, Okay, so we have okay, God, the Father

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got the Son distinct individuals. Okay, I think I guess

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I was under the confusion that the distinction only became

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because one was operating with King simon space while the

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other was operating outside of it.

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Speaker 11: No, it's an eternal trinity, three distinct persons sharing a

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communal eternal relationship. But there's one God. Because there's one God,

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the Father, and that one God, the Father endwells the

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Son and the Spirit. They all endwell one another. This

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is called the doctrine of paraparesis. There's also one God

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because they all share the same nature, so one God,

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the Father, one they all endwell one another, and they

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all share the same singular divine nature. But they are

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also three distinct persons, so it's a both and on either.

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Speaker 9: Or okay, And.

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Speaker 23: When God appears as the burning bush or a pillar,

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a fire, or a cloud to the Israelites into.

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Speaker 3: Moses, this is Jesus as well as this the Spirit.

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Speaker 11: Well, all those passages explain, particularly that it's the Son

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that's manifested, particularly in the burn and bush, because the

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later on an Exodus twenty two and twenty three it

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explains that that was the Angel of the Lord speaking

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in the bush. Now, in the case of the pillar

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of fire, it does say that the Lord came down

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in the pillar of fire. But I think you could

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make an argument that just like the tongues of fire

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that manifest at Pentecost and Act too, there are what

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in the Orthodox tradition we call energetic manifestations that are

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proper to the Spirit or to the Father. For example,

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the Father's voice is heard in the Baptism of Christ,

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the Spirit is shown as a dove. We don't believe

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that the Holy Spirit incarnated as a dove, or that

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he incarnated as fire or a cloud. But you can

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have energetic manifestations that are proper to displaying and revealing

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the Spirit or displaying and revealing the Father. They're still triadic.

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Speaker 3: And they've been triadic for all eternity, that's what you're saying.

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Speaker 11: So I'm saying that the actions specifically like the manifestation

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of the tongues of Fire and acts too. Even though

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there are energies that manifest that there is a Holy

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Spirit that reveal a Holy Spirit, they're not the Holy

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Spirit incarnate. And they're also in time and space. So

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I wouldn't say that Pentecost is an eternal thing that's happening.

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But the Trinity is eternal, and they've had an inn

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eternal trinitarian relationship and communication. But the Trinity can do

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unique manifestations in time and space, always through the revelation

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of the Son, and they're still triadic, even though it's

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the Son that's there. The Son is never apart from

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the Father of the Spirit. The Trinity is always present,

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but in a unique way that we call a theophany,

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that is primarily the manifestation of the Son.

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Speaker 3: Primarily manifestation of the Son.

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Speaker 11: Okay, for the most part. I mean, again, there are

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manifestations of the voice of the Father, but even that's

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still references to this reference to the Son, because the

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Son is the voice of the Father. So all the

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Theophanes are still crystocentric, but they can be a revelation

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of the Father, the Son, and the Spirit.

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Speaker 9: Last question here, Jason, then I gotta let somebody else up.

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Speaker 3: Okay, go ahead and let somebody else up. I think

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you've cleaned it up from the.

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Speaker 5: Are you good?

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Speaker 11: Oh yeah, I would say, read John one and then

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read Hebrews one, and those are really good verses about

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eternal generation of the song.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 12: Thanks for coming up, Jason, appreciate you man. All right,

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all right, let's go ahead and bring up somebody who.

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Speaker 4: Most likely disagrees with this.

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Speaker 9: Zor blazing or blazing? How you doing, man, you're a

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non trinitarian.

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Speaker 5: Hey, how are you?

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Speaker 9: Brothers?

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Speaker 14: I've been listening to you guys, and it's an awesome

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God bless y'all and your family.

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Speaker 11: I'm an Orthodox serbi an Orthodox.

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Speaker 9: Okay, well, I just I just yeah, I know.

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Speaker 4: I just want to say a shout out and blessing

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to you guys. That's all.

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Speaker 12: I appreciate you, brother, God bless you that. Hey, guys, please,

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you know, don't hit the link unless you disagree, unless

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you are a non trinitarian.

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Speaker 9: All right, t J. How you doing?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, how's it going? Do you guys hear read?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, we can hear you.

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Speaker 4: You're non trinitary. You rejected Trinity.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, I'm a nontrinitarian.

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Speaker 14: And the reason is.

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry that was it's too quick.

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Speaker 9: What's what do you say about Jesus?

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Speaker 4: Believe he's created or.

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Speaker 9: Yeah?

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Speaker 20: I say that Jesus is created.

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Speaker 14: And that's according to Syriac chapter twenty four and verses

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one through six.

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Speaker 1: Guys, no, I know what he's talking about.

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Speaker 5: Nope.

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Speaker 1: If you read Serac twenty four in the entirety, let

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me explain number one, it's thought about personified wisdom that's

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encapsulated in the Torah. If you read the entire chapter,

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number two, that wisdom is not created because it comes

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out of the mouth of the Most High. So it's

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not creation, ex nahilo. So you misquoted Xerac twenty four.

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Speaker 14: Okay, it's also in syrect chapter one, in verse four

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it says it was created.

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Speaker 1: If I read Saraq one four elight of Xerac twenty

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four one to ten, the creation is not creatio ex nahilo.

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I know the passages. I want to pretend you're listening

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to hear to me. What means create means it was

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gotten brought forth out of God. That's why I read

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for us Sarah twenty four three. Where did the wisdom

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come from?

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Speaker 14: It came out of the mouth of God.

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Speaker 1: I came out, that's exactly. Can you show me where

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creation came out of God's mouth?

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Speaker 4: Yes? Verse six.

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Speaker 1: You guy's a special kurdis read verse six for me?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no problem. Can you guys hear me?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, unfortunately, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Okay, no problem.

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Speaker 14: So this is the book of give me one second,

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Syrac chapter twenty four and verse six. Actually verse let's see,

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I'm meant to say, yeah, sorry, I'm meant to say

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verse nine.

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Speaker 11: I misspoke.

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Speaker 1: No, let me review what my repeat my question?

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Speaker 20: Yeah, you asked me to read syrect chapter twenty four

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and verse six.

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Speaker 1: No, I said, can you show me where creation came

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out of God's mouth?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 14: Yeah, it says that in Siac twenty four and three

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it says I came out of the mouth the most.

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Speaker 1: Can you show me where creation came out of God's mouth?

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Not wisdom?

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Speaker 14: Oh, where creation came out of the mouth of the

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Most High. That would be the genesis. Because the word

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of God is the one.

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Speaker 1: Who created this guy makes Mohammed look intelligent. Sorry, one

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more time?

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Speaker 5: Is right?

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Speaker 1: Nowhere in Genesis creation came out of God's mouth, it

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says God is were to create. The fourth time, can

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you show me where it says creation came out of

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God's mouth?

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Speaker 6: Uh?

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Speaker 25: No?

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Speaker 1: Okay, See, why do you waste five minutes of my life?

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Speaker 5: Well?

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Speaker 14: Because the way that I'm trying to answer in a

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certain way. So again in Syriac, what my objection was

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to you? Yes, you asked me to show you where creation.

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Speaker 5: Came out of God?

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Speaker 1: Did wisdom come out of God?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 1: That means before it came out of God, was within God?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 4: Correct?

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Speaker 1: So is there anything in God that's created? Uh?

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Speaker 20: Anything inside of God that's created?

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Speaker 4: Noe.

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Speaker 1: So you just proved wisdom is not created. So what's

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your next objection?

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Speaker 14: Yes, this is the Book of Syriac, chapter twenty four

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and verse nine.

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Speaker 1: It's that's what else? Because he just didn't understand what

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I said. When wisdom says created, not you know, it's

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creative meaning being borth out of God. This is where

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we get the beginning.

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Speaker 4: But he's right that.

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Speaker 1: And then is that wisdom said to be the Torah?

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Speaker 20: Or Jesus in that context, that's being created the wisdom.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And that chapter, if you read to it, is

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that it's said to be the Torah.

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Speaker 20: Yes, if you read there are several other verses.

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Speaker 1: That, well, let's say Jesus is created.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, just read it to you. Jesus is the wisdom

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that we got anybody else?

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Speaker 4: Brother, because I look intelligence Moneys, Money is welcome to

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the panel.

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Speaker 6: Eric, Jay.

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Speaker 1: If you want to say anyth go ahead. But I'm

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just saying this guy.

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Speaker 11: I mean, he just said wisdom is not created, but

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Jesus say, is the created wisdom. So he repeated himself.

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Speaker 12: We got Eric on the panel. Eric, you there, Eric

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going once? Your name is Money. He's on here going twice.

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All right, got a few more minutes, guys until I

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gotta go get to dinner.

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Speaker 4: MG. MG you're on the panel. MG, you're on the panel.

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Can't hear you? Hear me here?

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Speaker 5: You now?

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Speaker 9: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: What's up?

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Speaker 3: Are you?

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Speaker 4: Are you the agnostic that was on here a few

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weeks ago?

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Speaker 20: Hey, I'm great.

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Speaker 4: Let me up, man.

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Speaker 1: We can discuss that later.

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Speaker 6: Bro.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to seek you know what I mean.

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Speaker 12: So we're dealing, we're dealing with people who like are

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more religious man who either believe in the Koran or

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they say they believe in the Bible but reject certain things.

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Speaker 4: Okay, okay, I'll come back. All right, Okay, Oh.

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01:48:05,560 --> 01:48:10,520
Speaker 9: Anton, how you doing? And Ton?

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Speaker 5: You are on?

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01:48:11,680 --> 01:48:11,920
Speaker 3: Ope?

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01:48:11,960 --> 01:48:12,399
Speaker 4: He's gone?

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Speaker 9: All right, all right, Eric, you're back. Eric, I can

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hear you sound.

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Speaker 4: Can you hear me? Man? Yes, you hear me?

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Speaker 9: There we go, yep, I can hear you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: Do you reject the Trinity?

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01:48:38,680 --> 01:48:39,199
Speaker 4: You're muted?

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Speaker 9: Come on, Eric, you gotta you gotta have it together, man,

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01:48:47,920 --> 01:48:49,039
if you're gonna be on the panel, are you.

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Speaker 5: Good to go?

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01:48:50,039 --> 01:48:50,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm good to go.

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Speaker 5: All right.

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Speaker 4: So do you reject the Trinity? Yeah?

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Speaker 9: I Do you believe the Bible?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 9: Do you believe that this is God.

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01:49:00,600 --> 01:49:07,279
Speaker 4: And you believe He's created? I believe? Yeah. D you

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01:49:07,359 --> 01:49:10,079
believe Jesus is God? Do you believe he's the Father? Yes?

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Okay you believe? Yeah? Okay.

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01:49:15,560 --> 01:49:17,479
Speaker 9: So you believe that God is one person?

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01:49:19,039 --> 01:49:20,760
Speaker 4: Yes? Yes?

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Speaker 9: Nice?

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01:49:21,840 --> 01:49:22,000
Speaker 5: Jay?

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Speaker 4: You want to you want to touch on this? He's

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a one, this one.

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Speaker 5: This.

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Speaker 11: So in John seventeen, when Jesus talks about the comforter coming,

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he will he will guide you into all truth. He

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will do this, he will do that. Who is that?

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Speaker 4: John sixteen? By the way, but yeah, excuse me, John sixty.

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It's okay. Is he can he hear you?

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Speaker 5: Or no?

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Speaker 4: I'm listening.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's asked es question, he says.

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Speaker 11: John sixteen. Right, we have all the we have this

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discussion of the coming of the Holy Spirit. I will

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ask the father uh, and he will send the comforter.

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He will come to you. I will not leave you

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01:50:02,359 --> 01:50:05,000
as orphans. The spirit of truth will come. He will

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guide you into all truth. He will not speak of

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his own authority. He will speak whatever he hears me speak,

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and he will tell you other things to come. He

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will glorify me, or he will take of what his

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mind and declare it to you. Who is that?

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Speaker 4: Who is that speaking? Who?

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Speaker 5: Who's he?

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01:50:23,600 --> 01:50:25,479
Speaker 11: Who's speaking? He is talking about.

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Speaker 4: He's talking about God? Those spirit?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 11: Okay, so is the he the third he is he

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doing something different from the second?

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Speaker 20: Heat?

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Speaker 4: I mean they all work together, for they all work together.

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Speaker 11: But well so then they're not the same person if

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they all work together.

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Speaker 4: How can how can you say this?

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Speaker 26: For you to get one benefit, you have to you know,

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basically listen so it's like if God is telling you

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to listen, if Jesus is the way you have to

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get to Jesus to get the Holy Spirit.

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Speaker 4: To get the Holy Spirit, you have to get to God.

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You have to get to the Spirit. If you get

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what I'm saying.

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Speaker 11: So they're all in person. And what I'm saying is

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that they're not the same person, because even by your

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own explanation, they're all three distinct.

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Speaker 4: I mean when i'm it's coming from the same source.

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If you get what I'm saying.

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Speaker 11: Well, the fathers the spirit with that. But that doesn't

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But that doesn't.

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Speaker 4: Mean they're can be a person. What but God, God

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01:51:36,319 --> 01:51:39,079
is not a person. If God is not a person,

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now Jesus is the person.

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Speaker 1: Hold on definition of person? Jay thinks you mean like

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human being. He doesn't no definition of person. Maybe that's

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why he's confused. May you want to explain what it

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means that we say Father is a person.

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Speaker 11: Well, when we say person, that doesn't mean like a

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separate being. The trend is unique. So God, the Father

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is a person in the exact same way that the

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Son is a person because they have a relationship. Jesus

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01:52:07,199 --> 01:52:10,840
says in John One the Father eternally begot him. So

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01:52:11,039 --> 01:52:13,600
how could he be the same person as the Father?

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01:52:14,000 --> 01:52:18,039
If there's a distinction of that generation, that relationship there.

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01:52:18,399 --> 01:52:20,479
You can have a relationship with yourself, it's got to

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be somebody else.

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Speaker 1: You understand what he means by person. He's telling you

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the Father is not a human person.

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Speaker 4: Is an example.

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Speaker 1: So you understand what he means when he says the

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Father is a person.

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Speaker 4: He's not saying yeah, human, Yeah, I know that's what

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I mean.

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Speaker 1: Human being the Father.

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Speaker 4: I believe he's you know, right?

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Speaker 9: So so who so better?

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01:52:47,680 --> 01:52:51,279
Speaker 4: When when Jesus is talking about the Spirit of truth, saying.

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Speaker 12: That he's gonna come and guide you in all truth

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and speakers to speaks, he's here, Yeah, he's not listening.

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Speaker 1: He's talking over you.

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Speaker 17: Bro, Can you hear me?

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Speaker 4: Eric? Are you there?

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Speaker 5: All right?

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Speaker 9: Good?

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Speaker 4: God almighty? I got top of one more guests?

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Speaker 1: Man, God all time? Mister, that's right. That what you

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want to manifest again? The guy with the.

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Speaker 4: Who whatever?

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Speaker 9: Harlem, you're on the stage, How.

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01:53:31,239 --> 01:53:33,560
Speaker 17: You doing I'm doing pretty well.

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01:53:33,640 --> 01:53:34,960
Speaker 16: How are you guys doing this evening?

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01:53:35,479 --> 01:53:35,960
Speaker 9: Pretty good?

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Speaker 4: Pretty good?

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Speaker 9: Do you rejected?

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Speaker 25: I absolutely rejected Trinity?

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Speaker 21: But I love you guys.

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Speaker 27: Okay, yeah, this is a lot, you know, so I

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01:53:48,520 --> 01:53:51,840
just my first question would be, how do you explain

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01:53:52,079 --> 01:53:57,800
the scripture John eight fifty eight when Jesus just says, barely, verily,

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01:53:57,960 --> 01:54:01,359
I say unto you before Abraham was I am?

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Speaker 4: Before we answer that this? Do you do you believe

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that Jesus is God?

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01:54:06,640 --> 01:54:06,800
Speaker 5: Yes?

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01:54:06,880 --> 01:54:09,079
Speaker 1: Absolutely, yes?

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01:54:09,920 --> 01:54:11,680
Speaker 9: And you believe do you believe Jesus is the Father?

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Speaker 20: Absolutely?

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Speaker 4: Okay? Got you? All right?

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01:54:14,600 --> 01:54:16,439
Speaker 9: So now I know where you're coming from. Okay, let's gohead,

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go ahead.

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Speaker 1: Prove How does that prove that if Jesus says I am,

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that makes him the father? Why do you think only

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the Father's.

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Speaker 5: That I am?

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Speaker 4: Because that's what he said.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to the chapter I'm going to use a chapter.

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Can you open up my scream again? Yep, So you

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01:54:32,239 --> 01:54:35,359
quoted fifty eight. But conveniently, when he uses I am earlier,

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you forgot this part, My sister, I am right. John

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A nine. Jesus said, when you lift up the son

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of Man, then you'll know that I am he. It's

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01:54:46,439 --> 01:54:48,479
the same Greek word. You go me and I do

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nothing for myself, but I speak to things as the

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Father taught me.

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Speaker 6: He is with me.

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Speaker 1: He has not left me alone, for I always do

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the things that are pleasing to him. So if Jesus

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the Father he teach himself and send himself.

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Speaker 25: Yes he did, Wow, Yes he did. The Holy Spirit

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01:55:08,279 --> 01:55:10,319
was given to him after he was baptized.

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Speaker 4: That was proof that that has noting to do with this.

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Speaker 25: God made himself a body and became a man to

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redeem the world.

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Speaker 1: He wants to preach. Can you stop preaching and engage

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01:55:21,760 --> 01:55:23,079
the argument here?

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01:55:23,159 --> 01:55:25,800
Speaker 4: He says, I was answering question, man, you or not

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01:55:25,960 --> 01:55:26,279
you went to.

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01:55:26,319 --> 01:55:27,640
Speaker 1: The Holy Spirit. But we didn't have to do this.

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What is I the Holy Spirit? Would hear what you

2293
01:55:29,359 --> 01:55:33,319
just admit? Jesus says that I speak to things as

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01:55:33,319 --> 01:55:36,199
a father taught me. So, Jesus the Father, you want

2295
01:55:36,239 --> 01:55:39,560
me to now say, I only speak what the Father,

2296
01:55:39,720 --> 01:55:43,239
who happens to be me teaches me. So I'm teaching myself.

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Speaker 25: Well, he was using himself as an example for us

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because we did not know how to be reconciled back

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to him. So he is the very example.

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Speaker 1: He can tell us the truth in a way we

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01:56:02,319 --> 01:56:05,319
don't get confused. He doesn't have to speak as if

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someone else is sending him if he's not someone else,

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Because he said, he who suck me is with me.

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He sent me, according to you, he that is me

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set me. I set myself up.

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Speaker 25: Jesus was acknowledging that he made himself a little lower

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than the angel so that he could fulfill his own prophecy.

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So as a man, as a man, he did not,

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He did not put himself on the level as if

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he is in heaven. Okay, because it is flesh, I

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01:56:36,479 --> 01:56:36,920
got something.

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Speaker 4: But she was still in the flesh.

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Speaker 9: Can you go say, I go to John six thirty eight.

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Speaker 4: I just want to see what she would say to

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01:56:43,760 --> 01:56:44,560
the thirty eight.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, but no one's remember he's in the flesh. Dude,

2317
01:56:48,239 --> 01:56:49,560
what's wrong with you? Why are you so slow?

2318
01:56:49,720 --> 01:56:52,960
Speaker 4: Shot? I've always wanted to tell Sam where to go

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01:56:53,039 --> 01:56:53,479
in the bubble?

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Speaker 5: All right?

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Speaker 12: So sis, so right here it says, uh, for I

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01:56:56,439 --> 01:56:59,880
have come. I've come down from heaven not to do

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01:57:00,199 --> 01:57:03,800
my own will. But the will of him who sent

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01:57:03,960 --> 01:57:08,000
me is whose will is the father doing?

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01:57:09,680 --> 01:57:13,199
Speaker 25: Whose will is the father doing? The father is doing

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01:57:13,319 --> 01:57:14,119
his own will.

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Speaker 4: But the father just said he's not doing his own

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will the father.

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Speaker 25: Okay, so there's a difference between the Father in heaven

2330
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and Jesus in the flesh. You have to acknowledge the flesh.

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Speaker 4: That's true.

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Speaker 12: But it says he came he came down from heaven.

2333
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So did the flesh come down from heaven or the father?

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Speaker 4: The father?

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01:57:35,600 --> 01:57:39,119
Speaker 12: Okay, so the Father saying as he came down from heaven,

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the father's coming down from heaven or he's in flesh.

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Speaker 28: Right, But the Father also explained that he made himself

2338
01:57:44,720 --> 01:57:47,520
a little lower than the angels. So when the Father

2339
01:57:47,880 --> 01:57:52,520
was in the form of man, that's the difference than

2340
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the Father in heaven.

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Speaker 4: Hardam I got you? So the Father in heaven, it

2342
01:57:56,880 --> 01:58:00,239
says here that he came down from heaven. So when

2343
01:58:00,279 --> 01:58:02,399
he came down, as he's coming down from heaven, he

2344
01:58:02,520 --> 01:58:05,359
already made the decision that his mission is to do

2345
01:58:06,000 --> 01:58:09,279
the will of the one who sent him, right, absolutely, Okay,

2346
01:58:09,359 --> 01:58:12,279
So before he comes to earth, he's already decided he's

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01:58:12,319 --> 01:58:14,159
not going to do his own will, but the will

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of the one who sent him.

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Speaker 5: So who said the father?

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01:58:16,920 --> 01:58:18,239
Speaker 9: And whose will is the Father doing?

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01:58:18,880 --> 01:58:22,159
Speaker 25: The Father sents his own will. I mean, the Father

2352
01:58:22,560 --> 01:58:23,960
is doing his own will.

2353
01:58:24,600 --> 01:58:27,239
Speaker 4: But do you see how it goes.

2354
01:58:27,479 --> 01:58:29,319
Speaker 1: But you're are you.

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01:58:29,560 --> 01:58:34,399
Speaker 25: Guys, does a trinitarian bring the flesh up in the

2356
01:58:34,560 --> 01:58:37,279
sense of you make the flesh of God.

2357
01:58:37,880 --> 01:58:40,199
Speaker 9: Or the flesh doesn't do anything. This is why we're

2358
01:58:40,239 --> 01:58:40,520
saying this.

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01:58:40,640 --> 01:58:44,119
Speaker 12: If you're saying that the Father doesn't do uh, the

2360
01:58:44,199 --> 01:58:47,079
Father does his own will, which we agree, this.

2361
01:58:47,159 --> 01:58:50,279
Speaker 4: Would mean that the person who's coming down from heaven

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01:58:51,000 --> 01:58:51,920
is not the Father.

2363
01:58:53,399 --> 01:58:56,319
Speaker 25: Somebody else who came down from heaven was the Father

2364
01:58:56,640 --> 01:58:59,960
in the flesh, you guys, just like you in the gay,

2365
01:59:00,159 --> 01:59:03,039
the whole flesh part. Then he came down as a man,

2366
01:59:03,560 --> 01:59:04,279
and now he's.

2367
01:59:05,800 --> 01:59:06,720
Speaker 4: I hear what you're saying.

2368
01:59:07,199 --> 01:59:07,439
Speaker 5: Okay.

2369
01:59:07,600 --> 01:59:11,239
Speaker 12: Problem is is that, as you already acknowledged, the flesh

2370
01:59:11,359 --> 01:59:15,039
did not come down from heaven, right, No, okay, So

2371
01:59:15,600 --> 01:59:17,800
the I who came down from heaven is not in

2372
01:59:17,960 --> 01:59:18,680
flesh yet.

2373
01:59:19,279 --> 01:59:22,560
Speaker 4: Yet he says he's gonna do not his own will,

2374
01:59:22,640 --> 01:59:24,279
but the will of him who sent him. He's not

2375
01:59:24,479 --> 01:59:26,840
in flushed speaking in the flesh when he said that

2376
01:59:26,960 --> 01:59:29,239
he was a man on earth. But when did he

2377
01:59:29,319 --> 01:59:30,800
come down from heaven? Was he in the flesh when

2378
01:59:30,840 --> 01:59:31,960
he came down from heaven.

2379
01:59:31,880 --> 01:59:36,119
Speaker 17: Or I'm sorry I repeat the question.

2380
01:59:36,720 --> 01:59:38,680
Speaker 9: Was he in flesh when he came down from heaven

2381
01:59:38,760 --> 01:59:38,880
or not.

2382
01:59:39,880 --> 01:59:41,199
Speaker 25: What do you mean, was he in flesh?

2383
01:59:41,359 --> 01:59:42,439
Speaker 17: I don't understand the question.

2384
01:59:43,159 --> 01:59:45,840
Speaker 12: You're saying that he's speaking in the flesh when he

2385
01:59:45,920 --> 01:59:48,000
says that I came down from heaven not to do

2386
01:59:48,079 --> 01:59:49,720
my own will, but the will of him who sent me.

2387
01:59:50,000 --> 01:59:51,560
Speaker 4: And that's only applying to the flesh.

2388
01:59:51,880 --> 01:59:55,319
Speaker 12: However, this is already said, and this is a decision

2389
01:59:55,359 --> 01:59:58,079
already made before he comes down.

2390
01:59:57,920 --> 02:00:00,119
Speaker 4: To earth, before he comes in flesh.

2391
02:00:00,479 --> 02:00:03,720
Speaker 25: Before the world was even created. This was already ordained.

2392
02:00:03,960 --> 02:00:07,640
Speaker 12: Yes, so before the world was created, the Father already

2393
02:00:07,720 --> 02:00:10,359
said before he took him flesh, that he's doing the

2394
02:00:10,439 --> 02:00:12,600
will of someone who sent him, not his own will.

2395
02:00:14,079 --> 02:00:16,760
Speaker 4: He said that to man on earth in flesh.

2396
02:00:17,640 --> 02:00:21,319
Speaker 25: It's like you're conflating the two because he didn't say

2397
02:00:21,399 --> 02:00:24,000
that from heaven. God did not speak that from heaven

2398
02:00:24,079 --> 02:00:27,359
to a man. He spoke that as a man in

2399
02:00:27,520 --> 02:00:28,079
the flesh.

2400
02:00:29,239 --> 02:00:33,359
Speaker 1: Can I ask you a question, Yes, it says in

2401
02:00:33,600 --> 02:00:36,119
verse six, God sent forth, the spirit of his son

2402
02:00:36,680 --> 02:00:39,399
was the spirit there with God before he sent him.

2403
02:00:41,640 --> 02:00:45,960
Say that again, if God sends forth, the spirit of

2404
02:00:46,039 --> 02:00:49,640
his son was the spirit there before sending How do

2405
02:00:49,720 --> 02:00:50,840
you send someone.

2406
02:00:50,800 --> 02:00:51,159
Speaker 5: That's not.

2407
02:00:54,439 --> 02:00:56,119
Speaker 4: He is the spirit?

2408
02:00:57,359 --> 02:01:00,359
Speaker 1: God sent forth the spirit of the son.

2409
02:01:01,399 --> 02:01:05,239
Speaker 16: What is he sending forth his own spirit?

2410
02:01:05,800 --> 02:01:10,680
Speaker 1: So the spirit was there when he sent him, right, the.

2411
02:01:10,760 --> 02:01:12,680
Speaker 4: Spirit his own spirit?

2412
02:01:12,800 --> 02:01:15,640
Speaker 25: Yes, So now you do know that God can be

2413
02:01:15,800 --> 02:01:18,279
at more than one place at one time. Right, you

2414
02:01:18,399 --> 02:01:21,319
do know that God is omnipresence preaching.

2415
02:01:21,079 --> 02:01:24,720
Speaker 1: And address the issue. So if God sent forth the spirit,

2416
02:01:25,439 --> 02:01:28,720
the spirit was there. Now you just destroyed your position. Yeah,

2417
02:01:28,800 --> 02:01:29,319
God send for.

2418
02:01:29,520 --> 02:01:32,800
Speaker 25: The spirit which is in a capital letter capital as

2419
02:01:34,000 --> 02:01:34,479
not little.

2420
02:01:34,560 --> 02:01:36,800
Speaker 1: As you want to preach, we can send you to

2421
02:01:36,840 --> 02:01:39,359
preach yourself. Listen to the debate.

2422
02:01:39,439 --> 02:01:39,960
Speaker 17: I'm sorry.

2423
02:01:41,279 --> 02:01:44,399
Speaker 1: God sent forth his son born of a woman. How

2424
02:01:44,520 --> 02:01:47,720
could Jesus have been the son before he was born

2425
02:01:47,800 --> 02:01:50,920
of a woman because he says, he said the son,

2426
02:01:51,479 --> 02:01:53,279
and then he was born of a woman. How could

2427
02:01:53,279 --> 02:01:54,159
the son have been there.

2428
02:01:56,880 --> 02:01:59,680
Speaker 25: Because he is this?

2429
02:02:01,239 --> 02:02:03,960
Speaker 1: He didn't say I sent myself to be born of

2430
02:02:04,000 --> 02:02:06,800
a woman to be the son. I sent forth the son,

2431
02:02:07,279 --> 02:02:08,079
and then here's one of a.

2432
02:02:08,119 --> 02:02:11,960
Speaker 25: Woman, right right, right, it's himself.

2433
02:02:12,279 --> 02:02:14,039
Speaker 4: It's not it's it's literally how it reads.

2434
02:02:14,079 --> 02:02:15,199
Speaker 25: God sent forth his son.

2435
02:02:15,319 --> 02:02:15,960
Speaker 9: That's that's him.

2436
02:02:16,199 --> 02:02:18,439
Speaker 1: That's that's read the passage. I'm gonna read it the

2437
02:02:18,439 --> 02:02:19,800
way you want me to tell me. If I'm reading

2438
02:02:19,840 --> 02:02:23,479
your son, God sent forth his son himself. He was

2439
02:02:23,520 --> 02:02:26,319
sent born of a woman under the law that God

2440
02:02:26,439 --> 02:02:28,640
sent forth the spirit of his Son, which is really

2441
02:02:28,760 --> 02:02:30,680
himself appearing the first thing.

2442
02:02:31,600 --> 02:02:37,760
Speaker 25: Absolutely, Yeah, I mean it is. It's even in capital letters.

2443
02:02:37,840 --> 02:02:43,800
Whatever he's talking about, holiness himself. It says the spirit

2444
02:02:43,880 --> 02:02:46,359
in capital, his son in capital.

2445
02:02:46,720 --> 02:02:46,880
Speaker 17: Yeah.

2446
02:02:46,920 --> 02:02:48,680
Speaker 9: I got one more question for you, and then we

2447
02:02:48,720 --> 02:02:49,479
got to wrap up this.

2448
02:02:49,600 --> 02:02:51,239
Speaker 4: I do appreciate you for coming.

2449
02:02:51,600 --> 02:02:57,600
Speaker 12: So, so you're saying that the son is the flesh, Yes, okay,

2450
02:02:58,039 --> 02:03:00,960
can you go to Hebrews one for me? Uh Sam,

2451
02:03:02,560 --> 02:03:04,600
We're gonna we're gonna do one of three, let's see,

2452
02:03:05,680 --> 02:03:08,479
all right. So it says, and it's a little small

2453
02:03:08,520 --> 02:03:11,319
for me. I'm a little moselle.

2454
02:03:11,520 --> 02:03:11,600
Speaker 20: But.

2455
02:03:14,520 --> 02:03:16,359
Speaker 4: I thank you, all right.

2456
02:03:16,399 --> 02:03:20,520
Speaker 12: So it says, so, God, having spoken long ago to

2457
02:03:20,680 --> 02:03:24,800
the fathers in the prophets, in many portions and in

2458
02:03:24,960 --> 02:03:29,560
many ways, in these last days, spoke to us.

2459
02:03:29,760 --> 02:03:33,600
Speaker 4: In his son, and that's the flesh, right all right.

2460
02:03:33,760 --> 02:03:36,560
So in his son, the flesh, whom.

2461
02:03:36,439 --> 02:03:40,920
Speaker 12: He appointed heir of all things, through whom also he

2462
02:03:41,119 --> 02:03:41,880
made the world.

2463
02:03:43,359 --> 02:03:47,279
Speaker 4: It says that God made the worlds through the Son.

2464
02:03:49,520 --> 02:03:52,560
Was all did all of creation was was creation made

2465
02:03:52,560 --> 02:03:53,159
through the flesh.

2466
02:03:55,439 --> 02:03:59,199
Speaker 25: No, but I don't think you understand that Jesus is

2467
02:03:59,640 --> 02:04:03,119
God even before he was made flesh.

2468
02:04:03,520 --> 02:04:06,399
Speaker 16: God's name is actually Jesus.

2469
02:04:07,640 --> 02:04:08,520
Speaker 5: Is something.

2470
02:04:09,840 --> 02:04:12,319
Speaker 16: He is the I am, okay, I am.

2471
02:04:12,520 --> 02:04:16,119
Speaker 1: I want you to listen. Okay, now I want your

2472
02:04:16,600 --> 02:04:21,199
tell me who is the Father talking to right here?

2473
02:04:21,279 --> 02:04:24,960
Hebrews one, eight to twelve. Listen, please carefully. But of

2474
02:04:25,039 --> 02:04:27,800
the Son, he says, So, who's speaking right now? He says,

2475
02:04:30,439 --> 02:04:32,479
But of the Son? He says, who is that?

2476
02:04:34,239 --> 02:04:36,159
Speaker 17: Who's from? Who's speaking?

2477
02:04:37,159 --> 02:04:41,159
Speaker 1: But of the so he says, who's that? He says,

2478
02:04:41,199 --> 02:04:41,840
who's speaking?

2479
02:04:42,680 --> 02:04:42,880
Speaker 16: God?

2480
02:04:43,680 --> 02:04:46,159
Speaker 1: Okay, so he's speaking to the son, right But of

2481
02:04:46,279 --> 02:04:47,199
the Son, he says.

2482
02:04:47,119 --> 02:04:51,600
Speaker 4: Right, God is speaking? Yes to who.

2483
02:04:54,600 --> 02:04:58,600
Speaker 1: I'm see right here, Firs saying, But of the Son,

2484
02:04:58,960 --> 02:04:59,920
he says.

2485
02:05:00,399 --> 02:05:01,279
Speaker 4: What skitch is this?

2486
02:05:01,399 --> 02:05:01,640
Speaker 5: Hold on?

2487
02:05:01,720 --> 02:05:03,600
Speaker 25: I'm don't have to go back and my batteries about

2488
02:05:03,640 --> 02:05:03,960
to die.

2489
02:05:04,079 --> 02:05:06,840
Speaker 9: Hold on, dude, we did the hard work for you

2490
02:05:06,960 --> 02:05:07,199
with them.

2491
02:05:07,920 --> 02:05:08,880
Speaker 25: What's the skip ship?

2492
02:05:08,920 --> 02:05:11,760
Speaker 1: What's the skip ship's breed? Hebrews one eight to twelve.

2493
02:05:11,880 --> 02:05:14,199
Does it say of the son, he says, right.

2494
02:05:14,600 --> 02:05:16,640
Speaker 25: Uh huh, so who's going to read it. I'm not

2495
02:05:16,720 --> 02:05:18,479
familiar with this, so I'm not quite sure. I don't

2496
02:05:18,479 --> 02:05:21,239
want to just start off talking my bad about to

2497
02:05:21,359 --> 02:05:22,399
die to just keep.

2498
02:05:22,279 --> 02:05:25,279
Speaker 1: Beating goodness, Dude, why don't we talk over each other?

2499
02:05:25,319 --> 02:05:26,439
Maybe we can understand each other.

2500
02:05:26,560 --> 02:05:29,319
Speaker 25: Okay, No, I was just saying my battery is gonna die.

2501
02:05:29,319 --> 02:05:29,399
Speaker 20: So.

2502
02:05:31,800 --> 02:05:36,840
Speaker 1: Energizing ready, Okay. But of the son, he says, if

2503
02:05:36,880 --> 02:05:38,520
you don't know who he is, and then you won't

2504
02:05:38,520 --> 02:05:42,199
get the point. He is speaking about the sun, your

2505
02:05:42,319 --> 02:05:48,399
throttle God just forever ever, rightness. There's a seven of

2506
02:05:48,439 --> 02:05:52,640
your kingdom. You have love, righteousness and aid of lawlessness. Therefore, God,

2507
02:05:53,000 --> 02:05:55,920
your God, has annoying you with the oil gladness above

2508
02:05:55,960 --> 02:05:58,000
your companion. So I want to make sure you got this.

2509
02:05:58,640 --> 02:06:00,920
The Father is talking of the sun. He says to

2510
02:06:01,000 --> 02:06:09,800
the son, your throat on God is forever and never right, right, Mohammed?

2511
02:06:13,039 --> 02:06:13,760
Speaker 5: Can you hear me? Bro?

2512
02:06:14,439 --> 02:06:22,800
Speaker 4: Harlem you there? But Harlem, harlm me there.

2513
02:06:23,479 --> 02:06:27,279
Speaker 1: Brian, how is it when you bark that you think

2514
02:06:27,319 --> 02:06:31,359
you're different from raby dogs some some guy in my catch? Yeah, Harlem,

2515
02:06:31,399 --> 02:06:33,319
I don't know. She left her brother. I think she.

2516
02:06:34,880 --> 02:06:38,640
Speaker 4: I think we left. But it's okay. We got to

2517
02:06:38,680 --> 02:06:39,439
wrap up anyway.

2518
02:06:40,560 --> 02:06:41,079
Speaker 9: That was fun.

2519
02:06:41,640 --> 02:06:44,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, we lost her. That was fun. Hey, I just

2520
02:06:44,800 --> 02:06:47,359
want to say, Man, thanks for.

2521
02:06:47,439 --> 02:06:48,880
Speaker 1: Coming for you, bro, But you tortured me.

2522
02:06:48,960 --> 02:06:49,119
Speaker 6: Man.

2523
02:06:49,159 --> 02:06:51,439
Speaker 1: I'm like I lost a lot of brain brain cells.

2524
02:06:53,119 --> 02:06:53,840
Speaker 13: That was fun.

2525
02:06:53,960 --> 02:06:56,359
Speaker 9: Man, Oh my goodness, one is modalist.

2526
02:06:57,680 --> 02:06:59,479
Speaker 1: You got close at one time to five thousand. Why

2527
02:06:59,479 --> 02:07:00,439
are you so pop to learn out?

2528
02:07:00,479 --> 02:07:00,600
Speaker 6: Man?

2529
02:07:00,680 --> 02:07:02,079
Speaker 9: Shoot man a glorious guy.

2530
02:07:02,239 --> 02:07:04,439
Speaker 4: Man. He takes us up, Man, he raises us up. Man.

2531
02:07:04,600 --> 02:07:06,880
Speaker 5: You know what it is? Man? What it is?

2532
02:07:07,760 --> 02:07:11,159
Speaker 12: Any last words between my two brothers who joined us today, Man, Jay,

2533
02:07:11,720 --> 02:07:14,600
Any any last words in extream, any words of encouragement

2534
02:07:14,680 --> 02:07:15,319
to the listeners.

2535
02:07:16,720 --> 02:07:18,479
Speaker 11: I think we've got We've seen a lot of people

2536
02:07:18,760 --> 02:07:21,640
unfamiliar with the Bible. So I mean we got to

2537
02:07:22,000 --> 02:07:24,720
get our heads back in the Bible and reading again.

2538
02:07:24,840 --> 02:07:26,880
And people need to read Hebrews, they need to read

2539
02:07:26,880 --> 02:07:28,640
the Book of John, they need to read the Psalms.

2540
02:07:28,920 --> 02:07:30,800
So I'm saying it to myself too. I mean, we

2541
02:07:30,880 --> 02:07:32,359
all got to get back in the word.

2542
02:07:32,640 --> 02:07:35,439
Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, but it's Sam.

2543
02:07:36,079 --> 02:07:39,399
Speaker 1: All all I can say is you keep doing these sessions.

2544
02:07:39,640 --> 02:07:42,439
You're gonna get to be a very bitter, angry person

2545
02:07:42,520 --> 02:07:44,840
by the time you're fifty two. We're going to be

2546
02:07:44,960 --> 02:07:47,800
gusting people out morse than me. You're going to be

2547
02:07:48,720 --> 02:07:53,199
lous of people like lightning. Because you think you're patient. Now,

2548
02:07:53,279 --> 02:07:54,279
wait till you get fifty two.

2549
02:07:54,279 --> 02:07:56,319
Speaker 11: You're gonna make You're gonna get gray in that beard

2550
02:07:56,399 --> 02:07:57,640
right there, really quick, and.

2551
02:07:57,720 --> 02:08:00,439
Speaker 1: He's going to make you like the whole Christian a person.

2552
02:08:00,600 --> 02:08:03,640
Speaker 4: Thank you, sir, You're a false prophet. Both of you

2553
02:08:03,680 --> 02:08:07,760
are false prophets, both of you. Man.

2554
02:08:08,039 --> 02:08:10,920
Speaker 9: Well, thank you guys all for hanging out with us.

2555
02:08:11,039 --> 02:08:11,199
Speaker 6: Man.

2556
02:08:11,439 --> 02:08:16,000
Speaker 4: Yes, we did reach a little over five thousand total

2557
02:08:16,119 --> 02:08:18,800
viewers channels.

2558
02:08:18,840 --> 02:08:20,640
Speaker 9: Man, so that was awesome.

2559
02:08:20,720 --> 02:08:22,680
Speaker 12: Glory be to God. I pray that you guys are

2560
02:08:22,720 --> 02:08:26,800
blessed by this. Uh oh, we got one more question

2561
02:08:26,920 --> 02:08:30,720
before before we end. Someone's asking how do we as

2562
02:08:30,840 --> 02:08:34,439
Christians make sense that Jesus would often keep his identity

2563
02:08:34,560 --> 02:08:38,159
secret and at times reveal his identity with John A

2564
02:08:38,399 --> 02:08:43,720
da Thanks. If you guys, can somebody really short, I.

2565
02:08:43,720 --> 02:08:45,399
Speaker 11: Would just say that, you know, he says in the

2566
02:08:45,479 --> 02:08:48,439
Parables the Mysteries that the kingdom are not for everybody

2567
02:08:48,520 --> 02:08:51,159
there for his disciples and for his people. So depending

2568
02:08:51,239 --> 02:08:53,840
upon who he's talking to, who the audience context is,

2569
02:08:54,520 --> 02:08:57,000
it's going to determine what he reveals and what he doesn't.

2570
02:08:57,039 --> 02:08:59,960
You know, he waits until Simon Peters says you're the

2571
02:09:00,159 --> 02:09:03,079
son of God and then he blesses Peter. So it

2572
02:09:03,199 --> 02:09:06,199
just kind of depends on the appropriate time and context.

2573
02:09:07,760 --> 02:09:08,319
Speaker 1: That's the answer.

2574
02:09:08,399 --> 02:09:11,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you for that, brother, all right, and another

2575
02:09:11,159 --> 02:09:11,720
super chat.

2576
02:09:11,800 --> 02:09:14,920
Speaker 12: Thank you for the amazing stream. I am excited to

2577
02:09:15,039 --> 02:09:18,800
start reading the Bible. Yes, guys, get into your word,

2578
02:09:19,399 --> 02:09:23,279
meditate on your word, all right, and equip yourself study

2579
02:09:23,359 --> 02:09:25,159
to show yourselves approved. Because there are a lot of

2580
02:09:25,199 --> 02:09:27,359
people who are confused, a lot of heretics out there.

2581
02:09:27,800 --> 02:09:30,439
A lot of people are just like Jay said earlier,

2582
02:09:30,600 --> 02:09:33,680
they're just unaware of what the Bible teaches man, And

2583
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I think that just with a little bit of awareness,

2584
02:09:36,159 --> 02:09:39,399
with some study and some humility, I think it will

2585
02:09:39,520 --> 02:09:43,319
clear up a lot of the problems when it comes

2586
02:09:43,319 --> 02:09:46,880
to people's theology. So that's pretty much all we need.

2587
02:09:47,319 --> 02:09:50,279
We also got a blessing to Sam and his daughters,

2588
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So God bless your daughter Sam.

2589
02:09:52,960 --> 02:09:53,359
Speaker 4: Praying for.

2590
02:09:55,520 --> 02:09:56,960
Speaker 1: Ray will be healthy enough. I want to see him

2591
02:09:56,960 --> 02:09:58,359
next week. Finally, by the grace of God and the

2592
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Lord bless us.

2593
02:10:00,079 --> 02:10:00,479
Speaker 9: Hey man.

2594
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Speaker 4: All right, with that being said, guys, thank you for coming.

2595
02:10:03,640 --> 02:10:04,000
Speaker 9: That's it.

2596
02:10:04,880 --> 02:10:07,279
Speaker 12: Thank you for all the people who participated today. Sorry

2597
02:10:07,279 --> 02:10:08,920
that I couldn't get to all of you guys, but

2598
02:10:09,079 --> 02:10:11,840
again we did go four hours over four hours, all right,

2599
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So now it's time for me to go get some dinner.

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Gonna let these brothers go and