1 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 1: You're listening to Petlifradio dot com. 2 00:00:23,519 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 2: Well, hello, and thank you for joining me here on 3 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:29,039 pet Life Radio. Ask the Best with doctor Jeff, and 4 00:00:29,079 --> 00:00:31,519 I am your host, Doctor Jeff Werber, here for another 5 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:35,079 half hour on this lovely Thursday afternoon, well at least 6 00:00:35,119 --> 00:00:38,119 lovely here in southern California, close to eighty degrees. It's 7 00:00:38,119 --> 00:00:41,000 in the mid to high seventies. Not complaining, of course. 8 00:00:41,399 --> 00:00:45,039 And I hope you all had a wonderful Christmas vacation, 9 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:48,399 a little day off. Merry Christmas to everybody. And you know, 10 00:00:48,439 --> 00:00:50,840 I always wonder after a big holiday like this, is 11 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:52,759 there such a letdown? How many of you were actually 12 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:54,840 going to work? I mean, I was amazing. They're doing 13 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:57,640 some construction on the street right in front of my office, 14 00:00:57,799 --> 00:01:00,520 and literally I make a right turn on this very 15 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:03,280 major thoroughfair called Venice Boulevard, and I have to get 16 00:01:03,479 --> 00:01:06,599 literally just two blocks to make a U turnaround an island. 17 00:01:06,599 --> 00:01:09,640 There's a center island and they do reconstructive west of 18 00:01:09,719 --> 00:01:14,280 my office on Venice, and literally that two blocks normally 19 00:01:14,359 --> 00:01:16,680 takes If I tell you, I'm not lying, it could 20 00:01:16,719 --> 00:01:20,120 take ten minutes. And it actually takes me longer to 21 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:22,079 go those two blocks to make that you turn around 22 00:01:22,079 --> 00:01:23,879 the island than it does for me to get from 23 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:28,280 my home to that street to Venice Boulevard. Well, Tuesday, 24 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:29,799 when I came to it, the day before the holiday, 25 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:31,959 I turned the corner. There was nobody there. I could 26 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:34,239 have played football in the street. It was dead. And 27 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:36,560 talking to a lot of my clients and my employees, 28 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:39,120 of course I gave them off for Christmas Day, and 29 00:01:39,519 --> 00:01:41,560 so we were closed and they're asking, well, te Doc, 30 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:43,480 and we have like are we gonna be open Thursday 31 00:01:43,599 --> 00:01:47,280 and Friday? I said, uh, yeah, what do you think? 32 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:49,359 This is the post office? Of course we're going to 33 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:52,079 be open. And you know, it's pretty hard. I always 34 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:55,120 get nervous in general, even on a three day weekend 35 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:56,560 when I have to be closed, like you know on 36 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:58,359 the Memorial Day and the Labor days. When we're closed 37 00:01:58,359 --> 00:02:00,560 on Sunday and then Monday, two days in a row 38 00:02:00,719 --> 00:02:03,879 in a veterinarians calendar, that is frightening. So just curious 39 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:06,239 to know how many of you actually have to go 40 00:02:06,319 --> 00:02:09,520 to work today and tomorrow. Why don't you drop us 41 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:11,840 a note. You can give us a call here on 42 00:02:11,879 --> 00:02:14,159 our show at very easy phone call eight seven seven 43 00:02:14,199 --> 00:02:16,719 three eight five eight eight A two, or you can 44 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:20,479 send me a little note do it live while we're 45 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:24,360 here at doctor Jeff at petlifefradio dot com. Speaking of 46 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:27,759 hearing from you, I really am curious to know what 47 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:32,000 you gave your pets for Christmas? What kind of treats, 48 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:34,800 what kind of gifts? What were you thinking when you 49 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:37,919 sort of started making this plan what you're going to 50 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:40,840 give your pets over the holidays? And do you think 51 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:43,000 by reading them? And I'm sure you all know your pets. 52 00:02:43,039 --> 00:02:44,919 You all know makes them happy. You all know how 53 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:47,000 to tell whether they're Just take a dog and show 54 00:02:47,039 --> 00:02:49,039 them your leash and before you know it, you know 55 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:51,319 they're going to get all excited. Were they excited with 56 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:54,159 what they got? Was it food? Was it treat? Was 57 00:02:54,199 --> 00:02:56,879 it a new platetoy for your cat? I want to 58 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:59,759 know what we got in fact, like over this week, 59 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,039 because I know that to get you to stop on 60 00:03:02,159 --> 00:03:04,560 vacation today if you're not working, I want you to 61 00:03:04,599 --> 00:03:08,080 send me to Drjeff at Petlife radio dot com or 62 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:11,840 Drjeff at Drjeff dot com. That's doctor Jeff at doctor 63 00:03:11,879 --> 00:03:14,479 Jeff dot com. It says, identify who you are, that 64 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:17,199 you listen to us here on pet Life Radio Ask 65 00:03:17,199 --> 00:03:20,479 the Best with Doctor Jeff. Not only will we share 66 00:03:20,759 --> 00:03:23,599 what you tell us on the air, but I mean 67 00:03:23,599 --> 00:03:26,400 next week however, that'll be the day afternoon Year's However, 68 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:31,039 we're also going to send you a free prosens pet 69 00:03:31,039 --> 00:03:34,800 product from our sponsor, Process, so that makes even more 70 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,840 worth it for you. So whatever gift you got your pet, 71 00:03:37,879 --> 00:03:40,319 your dog or cat, or even if you forgot to 72 00:03:40,319 --> 00:03:42,680 give them a gift, that's okay, because we're going to 73 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:46,120 get something from pet Life Radio and Process to make 74 00:03:46,159 --> 00:03:48,960 it worth your while to go ahead and drop us 75 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:51,120 a line, send us a note, because I think we 76 00:03:51,199 --> 00:03:52,680 all want to know. I think everybody wants to know, 77 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:54,599 and if nothing else, is going to give all of 78 00:03:54,639 --> 00:03:58,599 our listeners some ideas of what to get for next year. 79 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,400 And also I want to know. I saw this news 80 00:04:01,479 --> 00:04:04,479 piece this past week of a I'm trying thing where 81 00:04:04,479 --> 00:04:07,719 it was it was obviously some more cold, because a 82 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:13,680 golden retriever was walking on a frozen lake that unfortunately 83 00:04:14,159 --> 00:04:17,839 wasn't so frozen and fell into the ice and here 84 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:19,639 is this dog. Now, I got to tell you for 85 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:24,360 a person to have fallen through this icy cold into 86 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:27,639 the icy cold water, we'd be hypothermic like crazy. This 87 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:32,279 dog was just so casually swimming around. Fire departments came. 88 00:04:32,319 --> 00:04:34,519 They had to go in with their gear on, all 89 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:37,199 sued it up, and they got the dog and they something. 90 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:39,000 They had a rope with them. They pulled both the 91 00:04:39,639 --> 00:04:42,680 rescuer and the dog to safety. And the dog looked 92 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:45,199 totally fine. The dog looked like it was just going 93 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:48,079 for a nice winter swim. It was amazing to me. 94 00:04:48,319 --> 00:04:51,199 It wasn't shivering, it wasn't shaking, it wasn't stressed. It 95 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:54,199 was unbelievable. And you know, it's funny when I think 96 00:04:54,199 --> 00:04:57,480 about when I my dog swim during the winter in 97 00:04:57,519 --> 00:05:00,000 an unheated pool. You know, everybody else know what else 98 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,360 swimming the unheeded pool. They go in like it's nothing, 99 00:05:02,639 --> 00:05:04,519 and you think. You know, two of my dogs are Labradors, 100 00:05:04,519 --> 00:05:07,360 and I have a Labordoodle, and they're so used to it. 101 00:05:07,399 --> 00:05:10,240 Their coat, their skin is so thick that we feel 102 00:05:10,519 --> 00:05:13,680 sorrier for them than they feel for themselves because it 103 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:16,759 doesn't seem to bother them one bit. It's actually amazing. 104 00:05:17,199 --> 00:05:21,000 So because I'm so spoiled here in sunny I mean 105 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:25,040 really unseasonably sunny Los Angeles where it's been in the area, 106 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:27,079 we have some cold days. I'm still hoping for more 107 00:05:27,079 --> 00:05:28,959 snow up in the mountains because I can't wait to 108 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:31,279 take off and go snowboarding, which I'm planning to do 109 00:05:31,439 --> 00:05:34,759 next weekend. But I want to know what precautions are 110 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:37,959 you taking with your pets during this icy cold weather, 111 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:39,839 and some good ideas that we might be able to 112 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:42,279 share with other people, because I think that's really important 113 00:05:42,319 --> 00:05:44,839 that all of our listeners know kind of what's in 114 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:47,680 store for them and what we can do to help 115 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:51,839 them and their pets brave the icy cold winters, especially 116 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:55,839 in places like Minnesota where it is icy cold. So anyway, 117 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:58,319 I also want to talk to you about some of 118 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:01,720 the strange cases I have last couple of weeks. And 119 00:06:02,079 --> 00:06:04,439 one of the things that comes to mind in understanding 120 00:06:04,439 --> 00:06:07,480 and recognizing our pets is that I have had two 121 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:12,480 cases of animals that have eaten really weird things and 122 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:17,279 didn't present interestingly with the typical blockage. One of them 123 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:20,800 we ended up going into surgery and the diagnosis was 124 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:23,680 not made. Typically, when a dog eats something and has 125 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:27,600 an obstruction, the problem that we see is a very 126 00:06:27,639 --> 00:06:31,639 tender painful abdomen and a particular gas pattern that we 127 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:33,079 might see on an X ray, and of course a 128 00:06:33,199 --> 00:06:35,839 history of having eaten something. Often the owner will come 129 00:06:35,879 --> 00:06:38,439 in and say, I saw my dog chewing on blank, 130 00:06:38,759 --> 00:06:43,040 or we are missing you know blank. Sometimes, for example, 131 00:06:43,319 --> 00:06:46,319 we had a dog that really liked to eat batteries 132 00:06:46,639 --> 00:06:50,480 and have an unbelievably clear X ray of two double 133 00:06:50,519 --> 00:06:54,319 A batteries sitting inside this dog's stomach enough to make 134 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:58,519 the energizer bunny jealous. And so that's those are easy. 135 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:00,360 Those are the easy ones. I'm talking. Thing is that 136 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:04,040 the animals comes in presenting with just as we say, 137 00:07:04,439 --> 00:07:08,519 kind of half jokingly in the veterinary terminology, ADR ain't 138 00:07:08,519 --> 00:07:11,079 doing right, Doc, And so the dog was ain't doing right, 139 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:14,439 and nothing specific. The belly wasn't that bad, the blood's 140 00:07:14,439 --> 00:07:17,240 were normal, the X rays were okay, and it wasn't 141 00:07:17,319 --> 00:07:20,480 until an ultrasound that we just saw something very unusual 142 00:07:20,759 --> 00:07:23,399 in the intestinal track. So we decided that, for lack 143 00:07:23,439 --> 00:07:26,199 of anything better to do, and the dog hadn't been 144 00:07:26,199 --> 00:07:28,519 eating and the dog was vomiting, let's go ahead and 145 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:30,560 take a look at the very least we figured we'd 146 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:33,759 get some intestinal samples, but we were highly suspicious there 147 00:07:33,759 --> 00:07:36,319 was something in there. Sure enough, this dog was blocked 148 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:40,959 at the Iliosco colic junction, and what it was was 149 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:45,680 a huge clump of hair. It almost looked like if 150 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,480 you ever had a stucked drain in your house. The 151 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,360 kitchen sink is just blocked up, and you get that 152 00:07:51,439 --> 00:07:53,839 rotor ruta guy coming in and they're trying to clean 153 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:55,879 up all this stuff, and all that comes out is 154 00:07:56,079 --> 00:08:00,240 just muck, nothing really specific. Was an accumulation of all 155 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:03,279 these things. That's what was in this poor dogs intestine, 156 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:05,800 and it was causing other problems well because it was 157 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,800 not bone material, it was not metallic, and it really 158 00:08:08,839 --> 00:08:12,120 didn't show up on X ray because it wasn't a complete, 159 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:15,519 non movable obstruction where gas couldn't get through. That's why 160 00:08:15,519 --> 00:08:18,600 it didn't present with a typical gas pattern. And because 161 00:08:18,639 --> 00:08:20,720 it had been moving up to a certain point, it 162 00:08:20,879 --> 00:08:23,879 explains why the dog's belly was an extremely tender like 163 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:26,079 out I got something inside of me, please be careful, 164 00:08:26,399 --> 00:08:29,759 And that's what it was. And the iloc Colach junction 165 00:08:29,839 --> 00:08:32,159 is a really weird spot and a lot of times 166 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:37,159 that's where we will catch a problem, something going on 167 00:08:37,639 --> 00:08:41,600 in that particular area, and it's very challenging because it's 168 00:08:41,639 --> 00:08:45,840 a very difficult area to determine, Oh, is what is 169 00:08:45,879 --> 00:08:50,679 causing the plug now going to create more problems or not, 170 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,399 and we just don't know. So sometimes you're just gonna 171 00:08:53,399 --> 00:08:55,440 have to go. You gotta trust your intuition, you gotta 172 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:58,600 trust your veterinarian if there's any doubt, anyone with really 173 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:02,240 good ultrasound skills often help make a determination. Obviously, you 174 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:04,720 don't want to go in to explore unless you have to, 175 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,639 because that's sort of what we call an invasive way 176 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:09,559 to find out what's going on. But with the help 177 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:12,480 of the ultrasound, it might, you know, sort of guide 178 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:16,679 us to making the correct decision. The second case somewhat 179 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:20,639 similarly in that it was so bizarre having two similar cases, 180 00:09:20,639 --> 00:09:25,440 where again it was not your classic presentation of an obstruction. 181 00:09:25,759 --> 00:09:28,399 It was a dog who was not doing well and 182 00:09:28,759 --> 00:09:32,320 would vomit, but sometimes we'ld eat not wouldn't vomit all 183 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:34,639 the time, didn't have the classic gas pattern, et cetera. 184 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:38,120 And this dog too had it looks like it ate 185 00:09:38,759 --> 00:09:41,279 wood and it may have even been like a wreath 186 00:09:41,399 --> 00:09:45,039 or something. And again dogs like this kind of crud 187 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:48,919 and it was all sitting there in the intestine, and 188 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:51,399 according to our surgeon, what it looked like. He said, 189 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:53,879 it would block and then it would move. It would 190 00:09:53,879 --> 00:09:56,440 block and then it would move, because there were areas 191 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:59,519 of the intestine that were very irritated. But it didn't 192 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:03,039 act what we call perforate. It didn't make a hole 193 00:10:03,159 --> 00:10:06,559 in the intestine. So that explains why we had We 194 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:09,559 didn't have that classic signs. But this dog was one 195 00:10:09,639 --> 00:10:13,000 sick dog. And what happened then what got us to say, 196 00:10:13,039 --> 00:10:14,360 you know what, we really got to move on this 197 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:18,440 is the dog started showing signs of what we call toxicity, 198 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:21,720 where the eyes, the white parts of the eyes called 199 00:10:21,759 --> 00:10:24,799 the sclarer, were beat red and injected, the eyes were 200 00:10:24,799 --> 00:10:28,240 sunken in. The dog was extremely dehydrated despite being on 201 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:32,960 ivy fluids, and it was becoming what we call septicemic. 202 00:10:33,279 --> 00:10:35,559 That means that it was starting to get signs of infection. 203 00:10:35,639 --> 00:10:38,360 The white cell count was going high, and this poor guy, 204 00:10:38,759 --> 00:10:41,200 despite the fact that everything else was normal, was not 205 00:10:41,279 --> 00:10:44,759 getting better but was actually getting worse, which and then 206 00:10:44,799 --> 00:10:47,919 after an ultrasound clear indication that at the very least 207 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:50,399 this dog needs to be explored, and if we found nothing, 208 00:10:50,519 --> 00:10:52,200 then we'd at least we'd have to take some biopsy 209 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:55,399 samples of the stomach of the intestine, looking for possibly 210 00:10:55,440 --> 00:11:00,200 intestinal lymphoma, looking for possibly an inflammatory at bowel disease, 211 00:11:00,399 --> 00:11:04,080 and things like that. So anyway, I just want to 212 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:07,440 caution you that you don't want to wait too long, 213 00:11:07,919 --> 00:11:11,559 even though your pets signs aren't going to be extremely 214 00:11:11,639 --> 00:11:14,559 clear and textbook, if you will, don't wait too long 215 00:11:14,639 --> 00:11:17,639 if things aren't right. If your dog is as we say, 216 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:20,159 adr ain't doing right and it's going on for more 217 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,240 than a day or so, go to see a veterinarian. 218 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:24,279 Let's get an answer. There are some things that can 219 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:26,879 be checked out that might help us determine whether or 220 00:11:26,879 --> 00:11:30,200 not this is something that needs to be addressed. Anyway, 221 00:11:30,399 --> 00:11:33,000 we are here at the halfway point of our show. 222 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:35,440 What I want to do is think once again our 223 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:39,000 sponsors Pro Sense Pets. I want to thank our retail 224 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:41,919 partners like Walmart and Target, where you can get our 225 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:45,240 full line of pro Sense products. And you are here 226 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:47,919 with me doctor Jeff Werber on askiats with doctor Jeff 227 00:11:47,919 --> 00:11:50,240 here on Pet Life Radio, and we'll be right. 228 00:11:50,039 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 1: Back We'll be right back right after these messages. Stay tuned. 229 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 3: Swipe It's a revolutionary new product that literally so wipes 230 00:12:04,399 --> 00:12:08,840 away cat hair from virtually any surface. 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So we just talked about some weird presentations. 275 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:06,919 When we talk about cases like this, I really want 276 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:09,440 you to all learn because what I hate happens is 277 00:15:09,639 --> 00:15:13,360 when something happens on the negative where somebody was not 278 00:15:13,519 --> 00:15:16,799 prepared for something somebody didn't know not. I always think 279 00:15:16,799 --> 00:15:19,279 it's somewhat the veterinarian's fault, but to a degree that 280 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:21,679 we can't think of everything that we're going to talk 281 00:15:21,799 --> 00:15:24,919 and teach our clients in one exam. Sometimes we have 282 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:27,200 to wait till poop happens, as we like to say, 283 00:15:27,399 --> 00:15:30,120 so we can then educate you. So really take advantage 284 00:15:30,279 --> 00:15:33,200 of hearing stories that we could share with you that 285 00:15:33,279 --> 00:15:35,879 might help you in the future. Or if you're talking 286 00:15:35,919 --> 00:15:38,200 to friends and your friends it's got my dogs hasn't 287 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:40,039 been doing right, he's been doing XYZ. You could say, 288 00:15:40,039 --> 00:15:42,080 wait a second. I heard doctor Jeff on Pet Life 289 00:15:42,159 --> 00:15:44,080 Radio talking about that you know what you need to 290 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:47,720 see your veterinarian. Another area that I don't think we've 291 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:49,320 talked about in a while, and I know we've covered 292 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:51,519 because it's sort of near and dear to me and 293 00:15:51,559 --> 00:15:54,600 as we are, I get more and more questions and 294 00:15:54,679 --> 00:15:57,039 I see, you know, I love rescue groups, and we 295 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:59,440 have a lot of rescue groups. Unfortunately, a lot of 296 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:03,080 you out there are adopting dogs from rescues. But one 297 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:07,000 of the things that I commonly see in question there 298 00:16:07,039 --> 00:16:10,360 are a lot of experts out there, and I'm kind 299 00:16:10,399 --> 00:16:13,840 of using that term half in ingest. The experts are 300 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:17,559 some of these breeders, some of these pet rescue people 301 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:20,639 that seem to know, at least in their own minds, 302 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:25,360 more than the veterinarians. So they are, for example, they 303 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:29,840 are giving the adopterors information that is a bit antiquated, 304 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:32,919 and I want to caution you that when you are 305 00:16:33,279 --> 00:16:36,440 in a situation like that, I would make sure to 306 00:16:36,639 --> 00:16:40,120 regardless of what the paperwork says, regardless of whether or 307 00:16:40,159 --> 00:16:41,519 not the paperwork says, oh no, you don't need to 308 00:16:41,519 --> 00:16:44,799 see your veterinarian for another x weeks or the next 309 00:16:44,799 --> 00:16:48,960 shots are due. Whenever, don't believe them see your veterinarian. 310 00:16:49,159 --> 00:16:51,600 They may be right. Hopefully they are. I'd see more 311 00:16:51,639 --> 00:16:54,399 and more are actually kind of picking up on this 312 00:16:54,799 --> 00:16:57,159 and doing a better job. But there are still a 313 00:16:57,240 --> 00:17:01,519 lot of experts, and again using the term loosely out 314 00:17:01,519 --> 00:17:05,799 there that have not updated their information. And one such 315 00:17:06,079 --> 00:17:09,000 area is as far as vaccines, I am still seeing 316 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:13,160 way too many pets that the vaccine series is being 317 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:16,319 started at six weeks. That is way too early. One 318 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:19,799 has to wait at least seven, preferably eight weeks. And 319 00:17:19,839 --> 00:17:21,759 then I had a lady come in, and you know that, 320 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:24,519 like when your veterinarian gives vaccines, I'll often put a 321 00:17:24,519 --> 00:17:27,359 sticker either in your little pamphlet or on the record 322 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:30,799 from the vaccine. There were stickers. The dog was only 323 00:17:31,079 --> 00:17:33,119 twelve weeks old, and there must have been six or 324 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:35,680 eight stickers on that thing already. That is, oh my god, 325 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:39,599 talk about overkill. That is way too much. Not only 326 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:44,400 is it unnecessary, giving vaccines too frequently or too early 327 00:17:44,599 --> 00:17:48,480 can actually be detrimental, as can counting the number of 328 00:17:48,599 --> 00:17:54,680 vaccines instead of the spread between the vaccines. In other words, 329 00:17:55,079 --> 00:17:58,759 two vaccines given four weeks apart can be more effective 330 00:17:59,079 --> 00:18:02,039 than threeaccines given two or three weeks apart. And you 331 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:04,319 really need to know that. That is very important to 332 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:07,880 know when to start vaccines, how frequently to give them, 333 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:11,680 how many vaccines to mix together and give it one 334 00:18:11,799 --> 00:18:16,400 time and what vaccines to give. So here are some guidelines. 335 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:19,519 And again this is my opinion, this is my show, 336 00:18:19,599 --> 00:18:22,519 so I get to be on my soapbox. However, I 337 00:18:22,559 --> 00:18:25,240 absolutely encourage you to check with your veterinarians as well. 338 00:18:25,319 --> 00:18:29,039 So firstly, puppies typically if started around eight weeks of 339 00:18:29,039 --> 00:18:31,920 age or go to eight three sets of vaccines. That's eight, 340 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:36,160 twelve and sixteen is ideal. Six' eight ten is not ideal. 341 00:18:36,279 --> 00:18:40,359 Still three vaccines, but totally ineffective. You don't want to 342 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:43,720 complete your series that which is meant to go for 343 00:18:43,759 --> 00:18:47,599 an entire year much before fifteen weeks of age, preferably 344 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:52,920 sixteen or even seventeen. So nine and thirteen seventeen is perfect. 345 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:58,599 Eight twelve, sixteen is perfect, seven eleven fifteen okay. If 346 00:18:58,599 --> 00:19:01,799 you have a dog, a rest for example, that you 347 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:06,039 don't know for sure if they've ever had vaccines, you 348 00:19:06,079 --> 00:19:10,680 can't prove it regardless of age. My recommendation would be 349 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:12,920 at least if it's under a year of age, to 350 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:15,400 give it at least a set of two again a 351 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:18,640 month apart. One is priming the immune system, the other 352 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:21,200 one is providing what we call an amnemnistic or a 353 00:19:21,279 --> 00:19:23,839 memory response, which is that response which is going to 354 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:26,160 take us long term? Now what is long term? This 355 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:28,680 is where there is even some I would say disagreement. 356 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:32,440 That's a harsh term, just some opinions by a couple 357 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:35,759 of the other experts out there. These are experts that 358 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:38,680 at the university level or have the advanced degrees that 359 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:42,440 have been studying immunology that have different opinions. One says, 360 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:45,799 after the long term, after that vaccine, the last one 361 00:19:45,799 --> 00:19:48,400 of a series, you're probably good for two to three years, 362 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:52,359 maybe even three. Another one says, well, I think that 363 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:55,920 after the puppy series, meaning sixteen weeks of age, give 364 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:58,960 the first booster at a year, and then go every 365 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:02,079 three So that's the one I follow. Just to be safe. 366 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:04,720 You know, a lot of la dogs lifestyle is such 367 00:20:04,759 --> 00:20:07,160 that they're running around. There's a lot of potential for 368 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:10,799 exposure and contagion. So I prefer to be a little 369 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:13,680 bit more careful. That's kind of my take on it. 370 00:20:13,759 --> 00:20:15,960 But again you want to check with your veterinarian. Rabies. 371 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:20,440 Rabies vaccine is required by law, depending on your state 372 00:20:20,599 --> 00:20:23,039 and or municipality. It's either going to be every year. 373 00:20:23,319 --> 00:20:25,599 Sometimes the first one if given to a dog or 374 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:27,480 a cat under a year of age is only good 375 00:20:27,519 --> 00:20:29,839 for a year. After that it's good for three years. 376 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,759 There are many states that continually want them once a year. 377 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:36,039 As far as witch vaccines to consider, I recommend again 378 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:39,559 you speak to your veterinarian and determine what is core 379 00:20:40,039 --> 00:20:43,640 in your area. Core are diseases that are prevalent that 380 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:47,200 you know exists that should be vaccinated against some of 381 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:51,559 the vaccines that are also add one more thing. Core 382 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:55,319 means lifestyle. For example, I have cats. I have a 383 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:58,000 lot of cats eight to be exact, They're all indoors. 384 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:02,440 Do my indoor cats indeed leukemia vaccine to my indoor 385 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:05,240 cats need Raby's vaccine. Let me add that in California, 386 00:21:05,319 --> 00:21:08,519 rabies is not required in cats. In states where it 387 00:21:08,559 --> 00:21:11,039 is required, regardless of whether your cat is indoor outdoor, 388 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:14,200 you'll probably have to do it because it's required by law. 389 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:16,119 I'm a big fan of that, but it is what 390 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:18,640 it is. But in California, since it's not required by 391 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:21,759 law and my cats are indoors, I have not invited 392 00:21:22,079 --> 00:21:24,880 any rabid animals into my home in quite a while. 393 00:21:25,039 --> 00:21:27,799 From bats to raccoons to you name it, to squirrels, 394 00:21:27,839 --> 00:21:30,720 to skunks. So I think I'm pretty safe. And the 395 00:21:30,759 --> 00:21:32,960 only vaccines that I give to my cats and a 396 00:21:33,079 --> 00:21:36,200 very infrequent basis, are the upper respiratory vaccines, because of 397 00:21:36,279 --> 00:21:39,799 course those can be introduced into the home via open windows, 398 00:21:40,079 --> 00:21:43,759 cats that are roaming outdoors, et cetera. But rabies obviously 399 00:21:43,799 --> 00:21:47,519 requires the bite of a rabbit animal. Fila leukemia requires 400 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:52,799 prolonged direct contact with the leukemia positive carrying cat, and 401 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,400 again that's not going to happen in my household. Let's 402 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,960 talk some dog diseases porttella. The late term we call 403 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,680 it is kennel cough. In LA, I call it take 404 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:03,559 your dog for a walk cough, go to the dog 405 00:22:03,599 --> 00:22:06,200 park cough. Take a walk on Melrose cough, Go to 406 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:07,759 the vet cough, go to the gloomer cough, go to 407 00:22:07,799 --> 00:22:10,880 the dog you daycare cough. It is everywhere. So therefore 408 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,119 I recommend the border tele vaccine as one of our 409 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:18,720 core vaccines. Now lepto leptosprosis, for example, I don't consider core. 410 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:22,559 Now if I have a patient that frequents hikes up 411 00:22:22,559 --> 00:22:25,039 in the mountains and things like that where lepto might 412 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:27,880 be a problem, then for that dog, yes I will 413 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:32,240 give a lepto vaccine. Likewise, the lime disease vaccine, that's 414 00:22:32,319 --> 00:22:35,559 just not a huge problem here in southern California, so 415 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:39,359 it is not part of my core vaccines, nor is 416 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:42,880 they rattlesnake vaccine. However, again, if one of my patients 417 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:44,799 does a lot of hiking with the owners and they 418 00:22:44,839 --> 00:22:47,880 say they've identified and know they're in a rattlesnake area, 419 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:49,759 and then of course we are going to give the 420 00:22:49,839 --> 00:22:53,400 rattle stake vaccine. So it's very important to treat your 421 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:57,200 pets as individuals and check with your veterinarian, and that's 422 00:22:57,279 --> 00:22:58,880 what we want to do, because we want to make 423 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:02,960 sure that we only give them that which they need. Now, 424 00:23:03,039 --> 00:23:05,960 cats are a little different. There is again some discussion, 425 00:23:06,039 --> 00:23:08,720 i wouldn't say argument, some opinions about whether or not 426 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,480 you need to give cats a series of three vaccines, 427 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:15,160 because many have shown and proven that most cats at 428 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:18,640 twelve to thirteen weeks of age have developed their immune 429 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:22,480 system enough to wait the year at least before their 430 00:23:22,759 --> 00:23:26,079 first adult booster. So I'd say for a cat, if 431 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,880 you wanted to do nine and thirteen weeks, that's probably 432 00:23:29,039 --> 00:23:31,480 going to be fine, especially for an indoor cat. An 433 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:33,359 indoor cat because it's not going to be challenged that 434 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:34,839 much by what's out there. 435 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:35,319 Speaker 3: Now. 436 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 2: One thing that we've seen a lot of and I've 437 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,759 been doing what's called tiers. I have a lot of 438 00:23:39,799 --> 00:23:43,279 clients that really don't like to give vaccine unnecessarily and 439 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:47,640 unfortunately though the rules have changed in the animal world 440 00:23:47,759 --> 00:23:50,480 for both dogs and cat as to how often how 441 00:23:50,519 --> 00:23:54,119 frequently we need to booster our dogs and cats. What 442 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,279 would once be every year now for most of them 443 00:23:57,279 --> 00:23:59,480 that many of the vaccines is every three years. Rabies 444 00:23:59,519 --> 00:24:02,519 is three, just Zempra parvo is three FBRCP, the feline 445 00:24:02,559 --> 00:24:06,319 vaccine for rhino'calisi neumanitis is three foror to tell it, 446 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,200 I still think one or even believe it or not 447 00:24:09,319 --> 00:24:12,359 six months. If your dog frequents travels a lot, goes 448 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,960 to the doggy daycares, goes to the groomer facilities, often 449 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,680 goes to boarding facilities. Often it's really not that great 450 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:20,559 a shot, so you might want to give it every 451 00:24:20,599 --> 00:24:24,160 six months. Again, I would check with your veterinarian. Now. 452 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:28,400 I had a question recently. I was presented with a 453 00:24:28,559 --> 00:24:31,440 nine year old, ten year old cat indoor only had 454 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:35,000 not had any vaccines for several years. Cat was healthy 455 00:24:35,039 --> 00:24:37,680 as can be. My cat should be so healthy. And 456 00:24:38,079 --> 00:24:39,960 the subject came up of oh my god, we noticed 457 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,200 we hadn't give vaccines in a long time. The owner 458 00:24:42,279 --> 00:24:44,720 was a little bit hesitant to give vaccines because of 459 00:24:44,759 --> 00:24:46,759 what she's been reading. So I called one of my 460 00:24:47,079 --> 00:24:51,480 gurus who's here based in southern California, imnologist. It's her 461 00:24:51,559 --> 00:24:53,440 lead that I often follow when it comes to vaccines, 462 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,400 and I called her up and I asked her. I said, 463 00:24:55,599 --> 00:24:57,240 I have this patient in front of me, nine and 464 00:24:57,279 --> 00:24:59,400 a half ten year old cat, healthy as can be. 465 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,079 I hasn't had vaccines in several years indoor. Only do 466 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,759 I need to vaccinate? And her answer was not even 467 00:25:06,799 --> 00:25:13,279 a moment, a split seconds, hesitation was absolutely not. So again, 468 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,759 we really feel many feel that once our pets hit 469 00:25:16,799 --> 00:25:20,039 a certain age, they are so immune, their own immune 470 00:25:20,079 --> 00:25:24,039 systems are so well developed, have been primed for so 471 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:28,559 many years with low levels of whatever, and they do 472 00:25:28,599 --> 00:25:32,599 not need our vaccines any longer. And again I can 473 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,519 only share that with you. You need to check with 474 00:25:34,559 --> 00:25:36,839 your vets. But I've seen a lot now. I have 475 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,319 been doing tighter testing, as I mentioned earlier, and with 476 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,240 the tighters. It is a test that we run that 477 00:25:42,319 --> 00:25:45,960 measures antibody, measures existing antibody. And I have some animals 478 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,319 that some owners I should say that really just don't 479 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,279 like to give vaccines if not necessary. And I give 480 00:25:50,279 --> 00:25:52,079 a deal to my clients, and I think it's a 481 00:25:52,079 --> 00:25:54,759 great deal. You know, sometimes I'm they thank me for it. 482 00:25:54,839 --> 00:25:56,480 I say, I'll tell you what. I know it costs 483 00:25:56,519 --> 00:25:58,799 money to do the test, and I know it costs 484 00:25:58,799 --> 00:26:02,480 money to vaccine, and I know as a consumer you'd 485 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,880 feel like being ripped off if you have to pay 486 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,400 for both. Actually, I'll tell you what. I think that 487 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,440 tight ring is a better way to go, because if 488 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:13,759 we show that your pet is amply protected, then why vaccinate, 489 00:26:13,839 --> 00:26:17,559 Why throw more antigen at him to stimulate the immune system. 490 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:19,400 Just let him be. He's got enough an he's got 491 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,160 enough protection already. Anybody protection already. So I'll tell you what, 492 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,079 do the test. I think it's a better way to go. 493 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,559 If that test comes back low, meaning we don't have 494 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,119 enough protection, which by the way, I rarely get. I 495 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,359 get it a few times, I'll throw in the vaccine 496 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,400 for free, so that way they can't lose and I'm 497 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,759 paying twice. I sound like it's a great way to go, 498 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:38,920 and I think I'm doing the pet a service and 499 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,119 I'm certainly making my clients happy because they don't feel 500 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,599 like they're being ripped off having to pay twice both 501 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,680 for the test and then for the actual vaccination injection. Well, 502 00:26:47,799 --> 00:26:49,799 I could tell you that in years and years I've 503 00:26:49,839 --> 00:26:52,920 been doing tighter testing. I can count on two hands 504 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,160 and now I'm talking hundreds and hundreds of animals that 505 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,519 I've ended up having to vaccinate. So there you have it. Anyway, 506 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,200 we love to hear your veterinarian say send me a 507 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,119 little note to doctor Jeff at petlfradio dot com. Next 508 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,359 week on our show, call us at eight seven seven 509 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,519 three eight five eight eight eight two. I want to 510 00:27:09,559 --> 00:27:13,920 know what your doctors vaccine protocols are. Do they agree? 511 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:15,920 Do they disagree. I'd love to have a little active 512 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:19,119 discussion about this. I think it's really important because I 513 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,119 do believe we as a profession have been and sometimes 514 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,079 still are over vaccinating. Well, thank you for joining us 515 00:27:25,079 --> 00:27:28,200 here on pet Life Radio. You're on with doctor Jeff 516 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,160 where we're asked the bets with doctor Jeff, and once 517 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,880 again want to thank our sponsors, pro Sens Pet Products, 518 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,279 and our retailers for carrying process pet products. And we 519 00:27:36,319 --> 00:27:39,240 want to wish you a very very happy New Year. 520 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,519 And we'll be here next Thursday live here on pet 521 00:27:42,519 --> 00:27:43,039 Life Radio. 522 00:27:43,519 --> 00:27:48,160 Speaker 1: Let's Talk Beets every week on demand only on petlife 523 00:27:48,240 --> 00:28:01,079 radio dot com. Thirteen