1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. 2 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:06,480 This episode, we're gonna pick up where we left off 3 00:00:06,799 --> 00:00:13,000 with this Sarah Ransom deposition. Menager who is redacted? Ransom. 4 00:00:13,359 --> 00:00:16,120 She was an acquaintance that I met in New York? Manager, 5 00:00:16,399 --> 00:00:18,600 Where did you meet her? Ransom? I think I met 6 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:21,760 her at a bar or something, Ransom? Manager? Was she 7 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:24,679 a friend of yours during this time period? Ransom? She 8 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:27,920 was an acquaintance. I would say friend is yeah, I 9 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:31,640 wouldn't say friend, I'd say acquaintance. Manager. So, on this 10 00:00:31,719 --> 00:00:34,119 occasion where you met Elaine on the island and you 11 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:36,920 spoke to her about massage, did you ever have any 12 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:40,679 other sexual type interactions with her? McCauley. I didn't hear 13 00:00:40,679 --> 00:00:44,359 the end of that. Did you say? Him? Manager repeats 14 00:00:44,359 --> 00:00:48,280 it sexual type of interactions with her? Ransom with her 15 00:00:48,719 --> 00:00:52,799 menager Glaine? Ransom, No, Menager. And do you recall if 16 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:55,359 she flew with you back on the plane, Ransom, I 17 00:00:55,399 --> 00:00:58,399 can't remember. Manager. What's the next time you went to 18 00:00:58,439 --> 00:01:02,399 the island, Ransom? Again, I don't remember specifically. I went 19 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:06,280 various several times during the durations, so I remember there 20 00:01:06,439 --> 00:01:09,239 was a it was several times I can't remember the 21 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:11,879 next time I went to the island. I mean, it's 22 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:15,159 to this She's interrupted by manager. Was it before you 23 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:18,719 went back to South Africa to visit Ransom? Yes, Manager, 24 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:24,239 all the visits to the island were before that. McCauley objection, Ransom, Yes, Manager. 25 00:01:24,799 --> 00:01:27,959 What's the next time you remember meeting Golaane? Ransom? I 26 00:01:28,079 --> 00:01:31,200 met her at the office in New York? Manager. What's 27 00:01:31,239 --> 00:01:35,560 the office, Ransom, Jeffrey's office the main office. Manager. Where 28 00:01:35,599 --> 00:01:38,879 is that? Ransom? I don't remember the location. It's central. 29 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:42,159 It's got a courtyard, like when you walk in, there's 30 00:01:42,239 --> 00:01:45,760 like a courtyard. Manager. What were you doing at Jeffrey's 31 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:49,079 office in New York? Ransom? We were preparing for my 32 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:52,640 college application. Jeffrey often wanted to see just how I 33 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:56,719 was doing, so I had regularly popins to see him 34 00:01:56,799 --> 00:01:59,480 and Golaane. And Golane would often check how I was 35 00:01:59,519 --> 00:02:03,280 doing and blah blah blah. Manager, what were you doing 36 00:02:03,359 --> 00:02:06,879 to prepare for your college application? Ransom? I had to 37 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:11,000 write an essay? Manager, When did you Ransom? Also, I 38 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:13,000 had to do, like, you know, how to apply for 39 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:16,919 college applications. You've got your application forms and such so 40 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:20,439 it was more admin, Manager, and you were going to 41 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:24,319 Jeffrey's office to work on your forms? Ransom, Yes, and 42 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,000 to just say hi. I was well. I never went 43 00:02:27,039 --> 00:02:29,520 on my own accord. I was either invited or told 44 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,520 to be there by either Glaine or Jeffrey. I also 45 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:34,840 went to the offices on a number of occasions for 46 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:38,800 a private legal matter. Manager. What's the private legal matter? 47 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:42,400 Gergis objection, I'm going to direct you to not answer 48 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:46,159 if it's unrelated to this case. Manager. Was there an 49 00:02:46,159 --> 00:02:49,759 attorney president? Ransom? Yes? Manager. What was the name of 50 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:54,560 the attorney who was President? Ransom? Alan Dershowitz Manager. So 51 00:02:54,719 --> 00:02:57,639 I was asking about the second time you met Alane. 52 00:02:57,719 --> 00:03:01,599 It was at Jeffrey's office in New York. Ransom, Yes, Manager. 53 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:03,759 How did you come to be in Jeffrey's office in 54 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:06,879 New York where you met Glaine the second time? Ransom? 55 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,960 I was told to be there, Manager. And who told 56 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:13,240 you to be there? Ransom? I think it was Golaine. Manager. 57 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:15,879 How did Glaine tell you to be there? Ransom? I 58 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:19,319 can't remember if it was via telephone call. I can't 59 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:22,400 remember the exact communication that she used, but I was 60 00:03:22,439 --> 00:03:25,400 told to regularly be there when they wanted me there 61 00:03:25,599 --> 00:03:29,680 and just grabbed a taxi and arrived at the office. Manager, well, 62 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:32,840 asking you about the second time. So you met her 63 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,120 on the island and the next thing you know, you 64 00:03:35,199 --> 00:03:38,840 have communication from her in New York. Ransom, Well, she 65 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:42,280 was always with Jeffrey in his office. So it's like, okay, 66 00:03:42,479 --> 00:03:45,000 let me just explain it a bit. So you go 67 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:48,080 to an office and you see Jeffrey's office there and 68 00:03:48,159 --> 00:03:51,960 Glane Glaine was always at Jeffrey's office, so I think 69 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,360 she had her own office there. So when you walk 70 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:56,759 in and you've met people before, you kind of say 71 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:59,240 hi to everyone. You know, you have a little chit chat. 72 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,639 Do you understand? You don't you don't you know? I 73 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,520 chatted with Glaine. I chatted with Jeffrey. It was a 74 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:09,439 super busy office. I can't remember specifically what was said. 75 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:13,879 It was just a check in kind of manager. So 76 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:16,720 you were going there to work on your college application 77 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:21,319 and you happen to see Golaine in the office's mcaulay objection. Ransom, 78 00:04:21,639 --> 00:04:25,120 she you know, she participated in the you know a lot. 79 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:27,959 She was interested in me. I was, you know, she 80 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:31,920 had interacted with me menager, I know, I'm trying to 81 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:36,120 understand when you did this. When was it, Ransom, It 82 00:04:36,199 --> 00:04:38,439 was the second time, the first time I went to 83 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:40,879 the office, the first time you went to the office, 84 00:04:41,079 --> 00:04:46,120 the second time you met Colaine Ransom, yes, Menager. And 85 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:49,120 when was it relative to the first time that you 86 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:52,480 met Colaine Ransom? I can't remember if it was a 87 00:04:52,519 --> 00:04:55,439 couple of weeks later. I don't remember the exact timeframe 88 00:04:55,519 --> 00:04:58,040 of how many days or weeks there was between the 89 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:02,759 first trip and then when I went into the office. Manager, 90 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:05,040 But you recall going into the office to work on 91 00:05:05,079 --> 00:05:09,759 your college application. McAuley objection, Ransom, Yes, well, I went 92 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:12,240 in a number of times to the office, so like 93 00:05:12,319 --> 00:05:15,639 we regularly had to report to Jeffrey in the office. 94 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:19,160 It was a we were called all the time there, Menager. 95 00:05:19,319 --> 00:05:22,160 What do you mean you had to report there, Ransom, Well, 96 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:25,480 Jeffrey liked to check in with all of us. Manager. 97 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:29,000 How was it communicated to you that you needed to 98 00:05:29,079 --> 00:05:33,360 report to the office, Ransom, Jeffrey. I was just told 99 00:05:33,399 --> 00:05:37,040 to be there. I had to be there, Ransom. Manager. 100 00:05:37,079 --> 00:05:41,399 Who told you that? Ransom, Jeffrey and Golaine Manager, anyone else? 101 00:05:41,639 --> 00:05:46,839 Ransom redacted redacted, and redacted. Manager. How did they communicate 102 00:05:46,879 --> 00:05:51,639 to you Ransom by telephone call? Manager to your cell phone? 103 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:56,079 Ransom and BlackBerry which they provided me. Manager, So you 104 00:05:56,160 --> 00:06:00,639 did not have a BlackBerry before you met Jeffrey Ransom? No, Manager, 105 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:04,519 Then you got a BlackBerry when you were Ransom interrupts her. 106 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:08,279 That's correct, Then Manager interrupts her. Acquainted with them? And 107 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:11,199 what happened with the phone you had before Ransom? It 108 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:14,240 got lost through translation. I have moved several times through 109 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:17,439 the years, so Manager, So you got messages or phone 110 00:06:17,439 --> 00:06:22,199 calls Ransom, BBMS phone calls, text messages, all the emails 111 00:06:22,199 --> 00:06:24,000 that they have sent me, I think you guys have. 112 00:06:24,439 --> 00:06:27,519 There wasn't a lot of email correspondence. The majority of 113 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,920 it was done by phone call. Manager. Did you have 114 00:06:30,959 --> 00:06:37,160 any emails with Glaine? Ransom? No, No email correspondence with Glaine? Manager. 115 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:40,199 Did you have her phone number? Ransom? I did at 116 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:45,240 the time. Yeah. Manager, Do you remember what it was? Ransom? No? Menager? 117 00:06:45,319 --> 00:06:50,319 Do you remember what your number was? Ransom? No. Gurgis objection, 118 00:06:50,439 --> 00:06:54,000 asked an answered Menager, tell me about any conversations you 119 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:58,800 have with Glaine that involved fit Gurgis objection. Beforem Ransom. 120 00:06:58,959 --> 00:07:03,040 I can't remember this specific conversation. There were many conversations. 121 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:06,439 I was just applying, doing an application form and they 122 00:07:06,439 --> 00:07:08,800 were trying to get me in they yeah. I can't 123 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:12,800 remember the exact I think Elaine also knew people there, 124 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:16,879 so they were basically trying to get me into fit Menager. Well, 125 00:07:16,959 --> 00:07:21,279 tell me what you recall Golaine saying versus they, Ransom. 126 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:24,639 I can't remember specifically the conversation, so I would not 127 00:07:24,839 --> 00:07:27,319 like to speculate, but I will give you the overall 128 00:07:27,399 --> 00:07:30,759 conversation and what it was regarding as far as my 129 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:35,120 fit application, But I cannot remember the specific content or 130 00:07:35,199 --> 00:07:39,399 the specific words used. But it was surrounding my fit 131 00:07:39,439 --> 00:07:42,399 application and an essay I had to write, and they 132 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:46,560 both proof read my fit application as well. Menager. And 133 00:07:46,839 --> 00:07:50,759 did they both read your essay? Ransom? Yes they did, Menager. 134 00:07:51,199 --> 00:07:56,000 When did you write that essay? Ransom? I can't remember, Menager, 135 00:07:56,079 --> 00:08:00,480 before you went to South Africa? Ransom? Yes, Menager. And 136 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:04,120 do you know what the application deadline was? Ransom? I 137 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:08,079 don't know. I don't I can't remember. Manager. When did 138 00:08:08,079 --> 00:08:11,519 you meet Alan Dershowitz Ransom, I don't remember the specific 139 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:13,560 date it was a few months after I had been 140 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:17,319 here in New York. Manager. Was it after you had 141 00:08:17,399 --> 00:08:21,519 gone to the island? Ransom? Yes? Manager. Do you know 142 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,079 what time of year Ransom, I mean I think it 143 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:29,399 was before winter. Manager. Well you were here in the fall, Ransom. Yeah, Manager, 144 00:08:29,759 --> 00:08:32,440 and you left in the winter. Ransom. Yeah, I left 145 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:35,759 in May. Manager. So did you meet him before you 146 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:40,240 went to South Africa? Ransom? Yes. Manager. Well, let's be clear, 147 00:08:40,879 --> 00:08:43,360 you were here until you went to South Africa, and 148 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:45,559 you left for a while, and then you came back 149 00:08:45,759 --> 00:08:50,000 right Ransom. Mm hmm. Manager. And how long were you 150 00:08:50,039 --> 00:08:52,919 gone for Ransom? I think about three weeks? Yeah, about 151 00:08:52,919 --> 00:08:55,679 three weeks. Manager. So you met him before you went 152 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:59,919 to South Africa? Ransom, yes. Manager, And tell me about 153 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:03,759 when you met Allan Ransom. I first met Alan at 154 00:09:03,759 --> 00:09:07,679 the offices Menager, and tell me what happened, Ransom. I 155 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:09,919 can't really tell you what happened because it's about a 156 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:14,720 legal matter. Manager. Was he your lawyer? Ransom? He was 157 00:09:14,799 --> 00:09:17,720 going to be assigned to me to be my lawyer. Manager, 158 00:09:17,919 --> 00:09:23,559 assigned to be your lawyer, Ransom through Jeffrey's instruction. Manager, okay, 159 00:09:23,799 --> 00:09:27,240 was he your lawyer? McAuley objection asked. An answered, men, 160 00:09:27,639 --> 00:09:30,600 I don't know if there's privilege, Gurgis, there's a privilege, 161 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:32,960 whether he was retained or not. Right. I mean, if 162 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:35,600 you're at a cocktail party and you speak to a lawyer, 163 00:09:35,639 --> 00:09:39,480 you know that conversation is privileged. So Manager, well, I 164 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:43,320 don't actually, Gurgis, You're free to research it. Manager, I 165 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:46,639 will ask questions then to try to establish whether or 166 00:09:46,639 --> 00:09:50,159 not there is a good faith basis. Manager, did you 167 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:54,480 approach Alan Dershowitz for the purpose of seeking legal advice? Ransom? 168 00:09:54,519 --> 00:09:58,679 I was introduced to Alan manager by whom Ransom Jeffrey 169 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:04,039 Epstein on what day? Ransom? I don't recall what day, Manager, 170 00:10:04,159 --> 00:10:06,559 Was it related to some event that had occurred just 171 00:10:06,639 --> 00:10:10,799 before that? Ransom, Yes, that's correct, Menager, were you in 172 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:17,080 touch with any law enforcement authorities? Ransom? No, Menager, huh, Ransom, No. Manager. 173 00:10:17,519 --> 00:10:19,879 Was Jeffrey in the room when you were speaking with 174 00:10:19,919 --> 00:10:24,679 Alan Dershowitz? Ransom, yes. Manager. Did Jeffrey Epstein ever overhear 175 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:29,440 your conversation with Alan Dershowitz? Ransom, yes, Manager, What did 176 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:34,440 you talk about with Alan Dershowitz? Gurgis objection. Ransom begins 177 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:37,399 to answer, but Gergis objects again, I direct the witness, 178 00:10:37,519 --> 00:10:40,679 not the answer. Manager. A third party was in the room. 179 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:43,840 You've heard that, Council, and you know that means that 180 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:46,879 that's a waiver. McCauley. No, I mean they would have 181 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:50,480 been involved. We don't know what the situation is. They 182 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:52,879 could have been involved together. There could be a number 183 00:10:52,879 --> 00:10:55,519 of reasons why Jeffrey had some sort of common interest 184 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:58,440 with her with that manager. Did you sign a common 185 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:03,279 interest agreement with Jeffrey? Gurgis objection, Do not answer, Menager, 186 00:11:03,639 --> 00:11:06,440 whether she had a common interest agreement with Jeffrey. You're 187 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:09,879 instructing her or not to answer. Is that right, counsel Gurgis? 188 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:12,960 Do you have real time in front of you, Council Menager, 189 00:11:13,039 --> 00:11:16,919 I don't, Gergis, you don't. You can borrow mine, Menager, 190 00:11:17,279 --> 00:11:21,159 I don't want it, thank you, Gergis, Okay, Menager? Anyone 191 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:26,240 else in the room when you spoke with mister Dershowitz, Ransom, No, Menager, 192 00:11:26,519 --> 00:11:30,840 describe mister Dershowitz for me. Ransom. He old age, white, 193 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:34,320 pasty skin, not very attractive, wears glasses, A bit of 194 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:39,080 an ugly man, really, Meninger, did he have any facial hair, Ransom. 195 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:42,840 I can't recall at the time, No, Meninger mustache Ransom. 196 00:11:42,879 --> 00:11:47,240 I can't remember, Menager beard Ransom. I can't remember Menainger. 197 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:49,600 You can't remember if he had a mustache or a beard. 198 00:11:49,759 --> 00:11:55,080 Gurgis objection, asked An answered McAuley objection, Ransom. I don't 199 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:59,240 recall seeing a massage, sorry, a mustache on Alan Dershowitz. 200 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:01,840 I don't recall a massive amount of facial hair. I 201 00:12:01,919 --> 00:12:05,399 recall Alan Dershowitz. Whether he had a subtle amount, I'm 202 00:12:05,399 --> 00:12:08,320 not sure. Yeah, it's he didn't have a beard. I 203 00:12:08,399 --> 00:12:11,440 don't think Meninger. All right, did you sign an AFFI 204 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:16,240 David that you submitted in this case? Ransom? Yes, Menager. 205 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,120 Did you make the allegation in your declaration that you 206 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:23,559 had a sexual relationship with Alan Dershowitz, Ransom, Yes, I 207 00:12:23,639 --> 00:12:26,960 absolutely did. Meninger. When did you have sex with Alan 208 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:30,759 Dershowitz Ransom. I can't remember the exact time, but it 209 00:12:30,799 --> 00:12:34,159 was in Jeffrey Epstein's New York apartment. Manager, we're in 210 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:38,600 the apartment, Ransom. It was in a bathroom. I can't remember, Menager. 211 00:12:38,799 --> 00:12:41,240 Was it before or after you had this conversation that 212 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:46,000 you won't describe Ransom. It was after Menager. So do 213 00:12:46,039 --> 00:12:48,799 you recall what month that was before you went to 214 00:12:48,879 --> 00:12:52,960 South Africa or after you went to South Africa? Ransom, 215 00:12:53,039 --> 00:12:55,759 I can't remember, Menainger. How long did you speak to 216 00:12:55,799 --> 00:12:59,480 Alan Dershowitz during your first meeting with them? Ransom until 217 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:02,720 I was finished explaining what my legal matter was? Manager? 218 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:05,360 Did he believe you to be did he believe that 219 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:11,200 he was your lawyer during that conversation? Gurgis objection, McAuley objection, Pottinger, 220 00:13:11,279 --> 00:13:14,480 please Pagliuca. All right, guys, you know, let's just do 221 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:18,279 the deposition here without the chorus over there, Gurgis, and 222 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:21,159 without the speeches as well. We agree, let's carry on 223 00:13:21,279 --> 00:13:25,519 without asking ridiculous questions about what other people's mental state was. 224 00:13:26,039 --> 00:13:30,240 I think that's a good idea. Let's carry on, counsel, Menager. 225 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:35,200 Did you ever sign a fear agreement with Alan Dershowitz Ransom? No, Manager. 226 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:39,679 Did you ever appear in court with Alan Dershowitz, Ransom, No, Menager? 227 00:13:39,879 --> 00:13:43,519 Did you ever appear in court yourself? Ransom? No? Men 228 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:46,960 Did you ever have any contact with any law enforcement 229 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:50,519 officers while you were in New York Ransom, No, Menager, 230 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:54,200 any police Ransom, No, Menager. After you left that meeting 231 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:57,720 with Alan Dershowitz, when did you see him next? Ransom? 232 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:00,559 I can't remember. I think it was at dinner. There 233 00:14:00,639 --> 00:14:03,519 was a dinner, yeah, Menager. And do you know whether 234 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:07,000 the dinner was before or after you went to South Africa? Ransom. 235 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:10,159 I can't remember the specific time period, so I don't 236 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:12,519 remember if it was before or if it was after, 237 00:14:12,919 --> 00:14:16,639 but it was to this she's interrupted by Menager. Where 238 00:14:16,759 --> 00:14:19,559 was the dinner, Ransom? It was in a restaurant in 239 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:24,200 New York, Menager. What restaurant Ransom, I can't remember, Menager. 240 00:14:24,679 --> 00:14:28,600 Who else was there? Ransom? I remember Alan Jeffrey myself. 241 00:14:28,919 --> 00:14:32,600 I can't remember if others, if there were other people there, Menager. 242 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:35,720 What type of restaurant was it? Ransom? It was a 243 00:14:35,799 --> 00:14:41,840 nice restaurant. Manager. Do you remember the type of cuisine? Ransom, No, Menager. 244 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:45,320 What do you remember discussing at dinner? Ransom the legal 245 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:48,120 matter that I had. Manager. Did you consider him to 246 00:14:48,159 --> 00:14:51,639 be your lawyer at that dinner? Ransom? Yes, I did, Menager. 247 00:14:51,879 --> 00:14:54,960 What's the next time you saw Alan Dershowitz. Ransom at 248 00:14:55,039 --> 00:14:59,639 Jeffrey Epstein's New York mansion. Menager, When was that, Ransom? 249 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:03,080 After the second time I had met Alan Meninger? Had 250 00:15:03,159 --> 00:15:07,000 you been to South Africa? Ransom? I can't remember, Menainger. 251 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:10,600 Tell me what happened during that encounter, Ransom. I walked 252 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:12,919 in the room. I walked in the house. Jeffrey and 253 00:15:13,039 --> 00:15:16,799 Redacted and Alan were there, Menainger, what happened after you 254 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:21,759 walked into the house, Ransom. It was really strange because 255 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:24,919 Redacted didn't like me, and so when I arrived, we 256 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:27,559 had I think, I can't remember if I had like 257 00:15:27,679 --> 00:15:31,720 water or whatever. Redacted took me upstairs. I remember there 258 00:15:31,799 --> 00:15:34,240 was a room. I didn't quite understand what was going 259 00:15:34,279 --> 00:15:36,960 on at the time. I knew obviously something was going 260 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:41,639 on because I've never met Redacted socially. So Redacted started 261 00:15:41,679 --> 00:15:44,399 undressing me in the room. She started undressing me by 262 00:15:44,399 --> 00:15:47,039 the bed, and we got on the bed. I kind 263 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:49,720 of knew what was going on from that. The girls 264 00:15:49,759 --> 00:15:52,039 were often forced to have sex with each other for 265 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:55,440 Jeffrey's pleasure, so it was just another occasion, I guess. 266 00:15:55,879 --> 00:15:58,919 Jeffrey then walked in the room. He started masturbating under 267 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:01,679 his clothes. He put his hand in his trousers. A 268 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:05,399 few minutes later, Alan walked in the room, he started undressing. 269 00:16:05,639 --> 00:16:08,000 He got on the bed with redacted at myself, and 270 00:16:08,039 --> 00:16:11,919 we basically had a three way sexual interaction. Menager. Was 271 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:15,759 Alan fully clothed? Ransom daring when at what was specific? 272 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:21,200 He walked in with clothes, Menager, and he got fully undressed? Ransom? Yes? Manager, 273 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:25,320 So you saw his entire naked body? Ransom? Yes, Menager. 274 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:28,840 Did you notice anything specific about his body? Ransom? Not 275 00:16:28,919 --> 00:16:31,799 that I recall. I mean, yeah, not that I can't 276 00:16:31,799 --> 00:16:35,320 really remember. It was quite a It was a it 277 00:16:35,399 --> 00:16:40,200 wasn't a pleasant experience, Menager. What did you do with Alan? Ransom? 278 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:44,480 I gave him moral sex and masturbated him, Menager. Anything else? Ransom? 279 00:16:44,639 --> 00:16:47,240 He did the same with redacted. He performed the same 280 00:16:47,279 --> 00:16:51,919 on me, Menager. Did he ejaculate? Ransom? He did, yeah, Menager, 281 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:55,799 in your mouth? Ransom? No, Menager. Did you have intercourse 282 00:16:55,840 --> 00:17:00,000 with him? Ransom? No? Not penetration, no, Menager. Did you 283 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:03,200 see him ejaculate more than once? Ransom? No? I didn't 284 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:06,720 see him ejaculate more than once, Menager. You didn't notice 285 00:17:06,759 --> 00:17:11,799 any scars? Mcauleay objection, Ransom I don't recall specific markings 286 00:17:11,839 --> 00:17:14,079 on every man I've been with body, So it's not 287 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:17,559 something I wasn't ravishing Alan's body. I was trying to 288 00:17:17,599 --> 00:17:19,759 close my eyes and just get it done so I 289 00:17:19,799 --> 00:17:22,880 could go home and watch TV. Really, so I really 290 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:26,119 wasn't aware. I don't really like kind of go whoo 291 00:17:26,279 --> 00:17:29,640 his body. I don't recall his body at all, like 292 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,200 I don't make a mental note of every man's body 293 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:35,599 I've slept with, Menager other than Jeffrey Is. At the 294 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:38,079 first time you had sex with another man in his 295 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:42,400 home or on his property? Ransom? Sorry, can you just 296 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:46,240 repeat the question, Gurgis or rephrase it? Ransom. I'll just 297 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:49,440 read it, Gurgis if you understand it. Ransom. Yeah, he 298 00:17:49,559 --> 00:17:53,000 was the only person Alan Dershowitz. Menager. Did you have 299 00:17:53,079 --> 00:17:56,960 sex with him more than once? Ransom? No, Menager at 300 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:01,319 the occasion you just described. Did he have an erection? Ransom? 301 00:18:01,559 --> 00:18:05,400 It was, it was, It wasn't particularly hard. It was 302 00:18:05,559 --> 00:18:10,640 pretty disappointing, Menainger. And where did he ejaculate? Ransom? I 303 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:14,519 had given him oral sex, and well he ejaculated. He ejaculated. 304 00:18:14,599 --> 00:18:17,519 I mean, there's only so many places a man can ejaculate. 305 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:20,920 He didn't ejaculate on me. He didn't ejaculate my mouth. 306 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:24,039 I gave him moral and I masturbated him and finished 307 00:18:24,039 --> 00:18:28,119 them off. He ejaculated over himself me just there wasn't 308 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:30,960 a lot of ejaculation. I don't remember a lot of sperm. 309 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:33,759 I didn't see massive amounts of semen. But I just 310 00:18:33,839 --> 00:18:37,519 remember him ejaculating. But it wasn't in my mouth, Menager. 311 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:39,839 And in terms of time frame, the best you can 312 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:42,319 say is that it was after you had been to 313 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:46,799 the island a few times, Ransom. That's correct, Menainger. And 314 00:18:46,839 --> 00:18:48,960 you don't remember if it was before or after you 315 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:54,920 went to South Africa, Ransom, I can't remember specifically, no Menager. 316 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:59,920 Did you see Alan Dershowitz again after that occasion? Ransom, no, Menager. 317 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:02,200 So you saw him at the office, you say you 318 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:04,480 saw him at dinner, and you say you saw him 319 00:19:04,519 --> 00:19:09,480 one time in the bedroom at Jeffrey's house, Ransom, that's correct, Menager. 320 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:11,680 It's one o'clock. I think we should take a small 321 00:19:11,759 --> 00:19:15,000 lunch break. How anyone can even talk about eating lunch 322 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:18,599 after we just heard about Alan gross As Dershowitz ejaculating 323 00:19:18,799 --> 00:19:21,920 is beyond me. But here we are, so we're gonna 324 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:23,720 take a break as well. That way we can all 325 00:19:23,759 --> 00:19:25,799 go throw up, and then we'll pick up where we 326 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:28,960 left off in the next episode. All of the information 327 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:31,599 that goes with this episode can be found in the 328 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:35,359 description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the 329 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:39,680 Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're gonna pick up where 330 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:43,480 we left off with a Sarah Ransom deposition, and in 331 00:19:43,559 --> 00:19:46,559 that last episode we left off with Sarah Ransom talking 332 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:52,680 about Alan Dershowitz. So let's get back to it. Gergiz Council, 333 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:55,559 before you commence with your questioning, I think there's one 334 00:19:55,559 --> 00:19:58,440 issue from this morning that the witness wants to correct 335 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:02,279 herself on, so just let her do that now, Ransom. 336 00:20:02,599 --> 00:20:04,759 I said earlier that I would just like to correct 337 00:20:04,759 --> 00:20:08,000 that my lawyers are paying for they are covering my 338 00:20:08,079 --> 00:20:13,119 hotel expenses. Meninger, thank you for the clarification, Ransom, and 339 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,880 she's cut off by mister Gergis. Go ahead, Ransom and 340 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:21,240 my flight Menager, thank you. Now back to the questioning Menager, 341 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:24,880 going back to your first conversation with Alan Dershowitz. At 342 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:28,519 any point in that conversation had mister Dershowitz agreed to 343 00:20:28,559 --> 00:20:32,880 act as your lawyer. Ransom, Yes, Menager. Did he do 344 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:36,920 anything in terms of contacting anyone on your behalf? Gurgis objection, 345 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:40,720 Do not answer, Menager. What was the specific legal matter 346 00:20:40,839 --> 00:20:45,640 that you were seeking representation for? McCauley objection. Gurgis objection, 347 00:20:45,799 --> 00:20:49,759 Do not answer, Menager. What did you understand the purpose 348 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:55,039 of Jeffrey Epstein being in that room for during that conversation? Ransom? 349 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:58,039 Jeffrey was there to support me, and Jeffrey was looking 350 00:20:58,039 --> 00:21:02,160 after me. Menager. When you engaged in sexual conduct with 351 00:21:02,279 --> 00:21:05,240 Alan Dershowitz, did you see any evidence on his body 352 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:09,559 of his surgical procedure? Ransom. I don't recall seeing anything. 353 00:21:09,799 --> 00:21:14,079 I can't remember, Menager. Did you see any bandages? Ransom? 354 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:17,440 I can't remember. Menager. Did you see him bleed through 355 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:21,119 his penis? Ransom? Not that I recall, Menager. Do you 356 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:25,920 recall seeing mister Dershowitz bleed through his penis? Ms McCauley objection, 357 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:30,160 asked and answered, Ransom, not that I recall, Menager. When 358 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:32,880 you were on the island sometimes less than ten times, 359 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:36,839 you think, did you ever use any drugs? Ransom? No, Menager, 360 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:40,480 did you use cocaine Ransom, no Menager. Did you ever 361 00:21:40,559 --> 00:21:44,599 get thrown off the island for using cocaine? Ransom? No, Menager. 362 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:49,640 Did you drink alcohol? Ransom? No, Menager. None. Ransom during 363 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:53,920 on the island, whenever I was around Jeffrey, Absolutely not, Menager. 364 00:21:54,279 --> 00:21:56,839 Other than going to the island, did you travel anywhere 365 00:21:56,839 --> 00:22:00,960 else with Jeffrey Ransom? No Menager. Did you ever travel 366 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:05,920 anywhere with Glenn Maxwell Ransom? No Menager. Did you ever 367 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:11,599 fly on an airplane with Glenn Maxwell Ransom? I don't remember, Menainger. 368 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:13,839 You don't remember any time you flew on a plane 369 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:17,920 with Glen Maxwell Ransom? No, I don't remember. There were 370 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:21,559 always many people on the plane, Meninger. When you refer 371 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:25,279 to the plane, you're referring to a private plane, Ransom, 372 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:29,359 Jeffreys plane, yes, Menainger. Did you travel on more than 373 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:32,920 one plane of Jeffries Ransom? Not that I know. I 374 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:37,079 don't remember. I don't remember, Menager. Can you visualize in 375 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:39,480 your head any other layout of a different type of 376 00:22:39,559 --> 00:22:44,599 plane than the one you drew in Defendants Exhibit number one? Ransom? No, Menager. 377 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,720 Why did you go to South Africa in early two 378 00:22:47,799 --> 00:22:52,279 thousand and seven. Ransom to visit my family Menainger And 379 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,720 which family members did you visit? Ransom my father and 380 00:22:55,799 --> 00:23:01,599 my stepmother, Meninger, anyone else? Ransom, no Mener Any siblings, Ransom, 381 00:23:01,839 --> 00:23:04,559 My younger brother and my sister lived with my parents. 382 00:23:04,839 --> 00:23:08,960 My dad and my stepmom and their two younger children. Menager. 383 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,759 Did you see any school friends there? Ransom? No? Menager? 384 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,359 Who paid for your plane ticket to go to South Africa? Ransom? 385 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:20,680 Jeffrey did? Menager? How did that come about? Ransom? I 386 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,000 wanted to see my family, and he funded the plane 387 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,880 ticket because he was funding everything else at that time. Menager? 388 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:32,000 What else was he funding at that time? Ransom? Accommodation, travel, 389 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:35,759 taxis food? My prescription that I had to pay for 390 00:23:35,759 --> 00:23:40,079 for the prescription that prescription drugs? Menager? Had you taken 391 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,920 any prescriptions for mental health disorders before October two thousand 392 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,920 and six? Ransom? No, Menager? Have you taken any since 393 00:23:48,079 --> 00:23:52,799 May of two thousand and seven? Ransom? Yes, I have? Menager? 394 00:23:52,839 --> 00:23:59,119 Which ones? Ransom? Paroxetine? Menager? Anything else? McAuley, I'm going 395 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,039 to object there's no timeframe on this. You're talking about 396 00:24:02,079 --> 00:24:04,599 one year, all the years from two thousand and seven 397 00:24:04,759 --> 00:24:08,359 to twenty fifteen, which I would say is inappropriate for 398 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,039 a non party witness to talk about her. If you're 399 00:24:11,079 --> 00:24:15,200 talking generally about prescriptions, then this whole next section is 400 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:20,960 completely redacted. The next section completely redacted, next section completely redacted. 401 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:25,319 Back to Ransom, I had been prescribed were incorrect, Menager? 402 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:29,359 Those are the ones you mentioned earlier in your testimony, Ransom. Yeah, 403 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,000 I had to stop and change medication because I was 404 00:24:32,039 --> 00:24:34,880 first started on lithium, and the lithium made me put 405 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,519 on weight at quite a rapid rate. So I was 406 00:24:37,559 --> 00:24:40,680 put on so many different types of medication because I 407 00:24:40,759 --> 00:24:44,000 didn't Not everyone agrees with you. Weight was a massive 408 00:24:44,039 --> 00:24:47,319 issue for Glen and Jeffrey, So the lithium just didn't 409 00:24:47,319 --> 00:24:51,960 work for me. I mean I put on weight quite quickly. Menager. 410 00:24:52,079 --> 00:24:55,559 What did Glen Maxwell say to you about weight? Ransom? Well, 411 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,440 what did she not say? She bullied me massively about 412 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:02,079 my weight, Menager? What did she say? Ransom? I was 413 00:25:02,079 --> 00:25:04,920 told that I would lose Jeffrey's financing if I didn't 414 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,359 lose weight, and I would not they would not help 415 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,839 me get into fit, Menager, Who were you told that 416 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:16,279 by Ransom? Glaine and Jeffrey Menager in the same conversation, Ransom, 417 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:21,319 various conversations. Menager. Tell me your conversations with Golaine. When 418 00:25:21,319 --> 00:25:24,000 did she say that to you, Ransom on the island 419 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:28,680 Menager before you went to South Africa. Ransom, yes, Menager. 420 00:25:29,079 --> 00:25:33,240 And was that in person? Ransom, yes, Menager. Who else 421 00:25:33,279 --> 00:25:37,920 was present? Ransom redacted, redacted, redacted, and redacted, a girl 422 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,319 name redacted, and a girl name redacted. Sorry, I just 423 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,000 remembered a name, a girl name redacted, and a girl 424 00:25:44,079 --> 00:25:48,559 named redacted. Manager. So they were all present when you 425 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:53,759 had a discussion with Golaine about your weight on the island. Ransom, yes, Menager. 426 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,279 And what did Glaine say to you about your weight 427 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:57,960 when you were on the island in front of all 428 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:02,119 those people, Ransom, You can't remember the specific conversation how 429 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,599 it went. We got into an argument about my weight, 430 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,599 quite a heated argument, Menager. What do you recall about 431 00:26:08,599 --> 00:26:11,880 the argument, Ransom. I recall it got so heated that 432 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,079 I ran off and tried to swim off the island. 433 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:16,359 I wanted to get as far away from Jeffrey and 434 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:22,000 Golaane as possible Menager. Okay, and then what happened, Ransom. 435 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,880 I left the main house. I took there's like a 436 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,759 buggy thing. It was evening. I drove to a particular 437 00:26:27,799 --> 00:26:31,000 spot on the island. It was so Jeffrey's Island is 438 00:26:31,079 --> 00:26:34,839 quite rocky around the edges, so and it's not really 439 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,279 you can't just go into the water. It was quite 440 00:26:37,279 --> 00:26:40,440 steep and well, I didn't really know how to swim anyway. 441 00:26:40,839 --> 00:26:43,160 I didn't know how to escape, but I wanted to 442 00:26:43,519 --> 00:26:46,079 at that precise moment get as far away from him 443 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:50,160 as possible. Menager. So you had a heated argument about 444 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:54,839 your weight with Golaane, Ransom Glaine and Jeffrey Menager. They 445 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:58,440 were both there. Ransom, yes, Menager, and do you remember 446 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,920 anything that was said during that argument? Ransom? It was 447 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,799 basically an ultimatum that I either lose weight or or 448 00:27:05,839 --> 00:27:09,640 that's it. Ransom, sorry, can I sorry, I need to 449 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,680 get a headache tablet if you don't mind. Meninger go 450 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:14,640 off the record for a second. So they go off 451 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,359 the record real quick. They have some discussions that were 452 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,559 held off the record. Then they're back on. Meninger, go 453 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:24,759 back on, Menager. You were given an ultimatum to lose 454 00:27:24,759 --> 00:27:28,359 weight or what Ransom, they wouldn't help me get into fit, 455 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,240 and that my time with Jeffrey would be over. It 456 00:27:31,279 --> 00:27:35,720 would end. Meninger who said that, Ransom, Well, they both 457 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,440 they both said it in not so many words. I 458 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,960 can't remember the exact conversation. I remember it being heated. 459 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,880 I remember them giving me the ultimatum. I think a 460 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,359 few curse words were shared. I can't it was very heated. 461 00:27:48,599 --> 00:27:53,880 I can't remember the exact words. Meninger was redacted there. Ransom, No, 462 00:27:54,079 --> 00:27:57,480 I don't recall her being there, Menager. Were you taking 463 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:02,880 the medication that you talked about earlier during this time period? Ransom? Yes, Menager? 464 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:07,160 Had you put on weight since taking those medications? Ransom, yes, 465 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,319 I had. And I had also put on weight because 466 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,799 I wasn't allowed to smoke any cigarettes at all with 467 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,400 Jeffrey on the island or anywhere near Jeffrey. Jeffrey wasn't 468 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,200 allowed to know that we smoked, so I put on 469 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,079 also a lot of weight as well, in conjuncture with 470 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,960 the lithium. So yeah, Menager. How did the topic of 471 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,200 your weight come up? Ransom? Well, I wasn't as skinny 472 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:33,519 as the other girls, and Jeffrey liked his girls very thin? Menager? 473 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,839 Were you interested in modeling at that point in time? Ransom? 474 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,680 I was doing freelance modeling at the time, But I 475 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,440 mean I wasn't exactly going to be Kate Moss, and 476 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,400 the modeling agency thought I wasn't bateited enough for them either. 477 00:28:45,839 --> 00:28:48,799 I would like to clarify that I wasn't actually fat. 478 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:50,960 I was a normal weight, by the way, just to 479 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,440 make that clear. I'm sixty four sixty five kilograms at 480 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:58,200 that time. Menager. What did you understand that Jeffrey and 481 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:02,200 galand wanted you to lose weight? Ransom? I was one 482 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,559 of the girls that Jeffrey has sexual encounters with regularly. 483 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,240 He liked his girl's thin. Menager. Did you ask Jeffrey 484 00:29:09,279 --> 00:29:12,359 to help you become a model? Ransom? No. I wanted 485 00:29:12,359 --> 00:29:16,240 to get a degree and an education, Menager. So you 486 00:29:16,319 --> 00:29:18,359 were not attempting to become a model at this point 487 00:29:18,359 --> 00:29:21,240 in time, Ransom. No, I wanted to get an education 488 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:25,119 as opposed to being a model me. Did you talk 489 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:29,720 to or redacted and redacted about becoming a model? Ransom? I, 490 00:29:30,319 --> 00:29:33,039 as I was freelancing during that time, or trying to 491 00:29:33,039 --> 00:29:36,839 get freelancing work. Jeffrey kept us on a little string 492 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,680 with his massage payments. So I wanted to earn a 493 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,680 separate income while I was doing my education to fund 494 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:46,000 my living expenses. So you know, I wanted to potentially 495 00:29:46,039 --> 00:29:49,160 increase my jobs. But no, my job was not to 496 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,799 be a high fashion model. I wanted to get my degree, 497 00:29:52,039 --> 00:29:55,920 get my education, and work in the fashion industry. Menager, 498 00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:01,440 you had worked as a model during college earlier, correct, yes, manager, 499 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:05,920 and you saved up money from that job, correct Ransom, Yes, manager, 500 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:07,880 and you had used that money to fly to New 501 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:12,279 York at some point, correct Ransom. Yes, Manager, And what 502 00:30:12,319 --> 00:30:15,359 you're saying now is you would also potentially do modeling 503 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:19,400 while you were studying in the future. Mister gergis objection. 504 00:30:19,799 --> 00:30:23,000 That's not at all what she's saying, Ransom as in future, 505 00:30:23,119 --> 00:30:27,519 as in would I do modeling now? Manager, No, I'll 506 00:30:27,519 --> 00:30:31,680 rephrase the question, Ransom, please, Manager, let's take a break, 507 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:33,720 go off the record, and when you finish the salad, 508 00:30:33,799 --> 00:30:37,200 we'll proceed. They get back on the record and manager 509 00:30:37,319 --> 00:30:40,400 starts with the questions once again. At the time, you 510 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,119 were having a discussion with Jeffrey and Glen about your 511 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,200 weight when you were on the island, did you have 512 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,920 any intention of being a model at that time? Ransom, 513 00:30:49,039 --> 00:30:52,000 I was a freelance model. I wanted to increase my 514 00:30:52,079 --> 00:30:54,920 workload to help fund my living expenses, So it was 515 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,519 not my intention to be a full time model, because 516 00:30:57,559 --> 00:30:59,960 I quite clearly applied to a college to get an 517 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:04,640 education that I was promised by Jeffrey Epstein. Menager. Between 518 00:31:04,759 --> 00:31:07,799 January of two thousand and seven and today, have you 519 00:31:07,839 --> 00:31:11,960 worked as a model? Ransom? No, Menager when you left 520 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,160 for South Africa? Did you have a ticket to return 521 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,680 to the US? Ransom At that time a return ticket 522 00:31:17,799 --> 00:31:21,359 hadn't been booked by Jeffrey yet. Manager. You traveled to 523 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:26,920 South Africa to visit your family without a return ticket? Ransom, yes, Manager. 524 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:31,440 Did anyone travel with you to South Africa? Ransom no, Menager, 525 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,759 your mother was not in South Africa when you went 526 00:31:33,839 --> 00:31:39,680 to South Africa on that occasion in two thousand and seven. Correct, Ransom, correct, Menager. 527 00:31:40,279 --> 00:31:42,319 What did you do while you were in South Africa 528 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:46,000 in February of two thousand and seven? Ransom, spend time 529 00:31:46,039 --> 00:31:50,400 with my family? Menager. Did you visit any modeling agencies? Ransom, Yes, 530 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:54,599 I did visit some modeling agencies. Menager. Which modeling agencies 531 00:31:54,599 --> 00:31:58,200 did you visit? Ransom? I can't remember the exact names. 532 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,640 The modeling agencies were Online Street in Cape Town. I 533 00:32:01,759 --> 00:32:05,799 visited several modeling agencies on Long Street and Bree Street 534 00:32:05,839 --> 00:32:08,920 as well Bree Street and Longstreet and a few others 535 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:13,039 in central Cape Town, So I visited a few. Actually, Manager, 536 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:15,920 had you worked with any of those modeling agencies in 537 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,799 the past? Ransom? No, Manager, Did you have any connection 538 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:24,839 with any of those modeling agencies? Ransom, no, Menager? What 539 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,519 did you do when you visited the modeling agencies in 540 00:32:27,559 --> 00:32:31,279 Cape Town in February of two thousand and seven, Ransom, 541 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,079 I was requested to look for a PA for mister 542 00:32:35,079 --> 00:32:38,880 Epstein Menager. What does that mean? Ransom? It means that 543 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:40,720 he told me he would pay me a certain amount 544 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,359 of money to find him a PA in South Africa? Manager, 545 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:49,240 what do you understand the initials PA to stand for Ransom? 546 00:32:49,319 --> 00:32:53,559 Personal assistant manager? What are the job requirements of a 547 00:32:53,559 --> 00:32:59,240 personal assistant Ransom to book flights type, do faxes? Basically, 548 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,559 a PA is or a CEO's right hand man of 549 00:33:02,759 --> 00:33:06,160 you know, companies, anything business wise. They do everything really 550 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,559 for that person. Manager, when did Jeffrey ask you to 551 00:33:09,599 --> 00:33:13,000 find him a PA while in South Africa? Ransom? Before 552 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:17,720 I went Menager, did you agree to do that? Ransom? Yes? Manager, 553 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,559 And you did go to the modeling agencies, Ransom? I 554 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,640 told Jeffrey I did, but actually I went to a 555 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,359 couple and then I just it wasn't right. My gut 556 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:31,799 instinct was, yeah, Menager. What happened when you went inside 557 00:33:31,839 --> 00:33:36,519 the modeling agency in Cape Town, Ransom? I was humiliated. 558 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,279 I was completely embarrassed. I couldn't even ask them what 559 00:33:39,359 --> 00:33:43,000 Jeffrey was wanting. I mean, it was so absolutely ridiculous 560 00:33:43,039 --> 00:33:46,920 his request of me finding him a PA. Menager. So 561 00:33:47,119 --> 00:33:50,359 what happened? Ransom? So I asked if they had any 562 00:33:50,359 --> 00:33:53,359 girls that would want to travel, that they would be 563 00:33:53,359 --> 00:33:55,799 put up in accommodation and they would be a PA. 564 00:33:56,319 --> 00:33:59,119 And when I actually spoke to the modeling agencies, they 565 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,160 actually laughed at me because it was quite ridiculous that 566 00:34:02,279 --> 00:34:04,920 a young twenty two year old was asking a modeling 567 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,960 agency for an eighteen year old PA for a multi 568 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:12,039 billionaire who had several already Menager. So you recall a 569 00:34:12,079 --> 00:34:18,199 conversation where the person you were speaking to started laughing Ransom, yes, Menager. 570 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,920 What type of person were you describing that you were 571 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,760 looking for Ransom? The same specifications that Jeffrey told me. 572 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,880 She had to be eighteen, thin, very young looking and 573 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:32,920 pretty Menager? Anything else Ransom, well, bright and be able 574 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:36,239 to type Meninger. Did you go on a diet while 575 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,119 you were in South Africa? Ransom? I was forced to 576 00:34:39,119 --> 00:34:41,599 go on a diet, Meninger, Tell me what you mean, 577 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:45,119 forced to go on a diet? Ransom. After that incident 578 00:34:45,159 --> 00:34:48,239 on the island in it was December when Glane brought 579 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,719 me back to the main house after she she sent 580 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,440 a search party. She led a search party to find 581 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,960 me on the island and bring me back. Meninger. Glane 582 00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,440 led a search party, Ransom, Yeah, yeah, she got everyone 583 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:05,079 together and they all went looking for me when I disappeared. Menager. 584 00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:09,639 Who went looking for you Ransom redacted, redacted? Jeffrey, the 585 00:35:09,679 --> 00:35:14,960 girls Golaine manager, which girls Ransom redacted and redacted? The 586 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:20,599 girl name redacted? Ransom. Did Jeffrey go searching for you? Ransom? Yes, Menager. 587 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:24,159 How do you know that Ransom? I was told Menager 588 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:29,000 about whom Ransom by redacted and the other girls. Menager 589 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,599 Where were you located, Ransom on the island? Menager? Where 590 00:35:32,599 --> 00:35:36,519 on the island, Ransom, A corner of the island, Menager? 591 00:35:36,639 --> 00:35:39,559 On the water? Ransom, No, it was quite a long 592 00:35:39,639 --> 00:35:42,119 drop off. It was like a cliff type. I wasn't 593 00:35:42,159 --> 00:35:45,079 able to jump to get in the water. Meninger, your 594 00:35:45,119 --> 00:35:47,320 intent was to swim off the island, but you didn't 595 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,079 make it into the water, Ransom, No, because I would 596 00:35:50,119 --> 00:35:54,159 have killed myself, so it wasn't safe, Menager. So who 597 00:35:54,199 --> 00:35:56,920 located you on this corner of the island, Ransom? I 598 00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,880 can't remember who got to me first. I remember, I 599 00:36:00,079 --> 00:36:03,039 can't remember who found me first. Manager. Do you remember 600 00:36:03,079 --> 00:36:07,079 anyone who found you? Ransom? Yes, I definitely found because 601 00:36:07,119 --> 00:36:09,440 I didn't have enough time to find a different location 602 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:11,880 on the island so I could get off and swim 603 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,719 away from Jeffrey and Glane. Manager. Once they found you, 604 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:20,119 what happened, Ransom? I was brought back to the main house. Manager. 605 00:36:20,679 --> 00:36:23,159 How were you brought back? Ransom the same way that 606 00:36:23,199 --> 00:36:27,159 I got there? On the beach buggy black four by four? Not? 607 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:32,639 What are they quad things? McCauley quad bikes? Ransom quad bikes? Yeah? Manager, 608 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:37,039 did you bike back Ransom, Yes Manager, accompanied by some people. 609 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:42,000 Ransom I was accompanied back Yes Manager by whom Ransom 610 00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:46,679 I can't remember specifically who it was. All right, folks, 611 00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:48,519 we're gonna wrap this part up here, and then the 612 00:36:48,559 --> 00:36:51,679 next episode we'll pick up where we left off. All 613 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,119 of the information that goes with this episode can be 614 00:36:54,159 --> 00:36:55,800 found in the description box.