Speaker 1: Will you wait, miss?
Speaker 2: Welcome back to midnight Viewing. I'm your host. Father Alone
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Speaker 2: with Us is the host of A Year in Horror podcast.
Speaker 2: When last he graced our airwaves with his molifluous tones,
Speaker 2: I declared A Year in Horror the best movie podcast
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Speaker 2: Welcome back, mister Paul Waller.
Speaker 3: Love it again. I love your voice is the voice
Speaker 3: of America.
Speaker 2: Oh if only need some reason these days. That's right.
Speaker 2: Tonight we're gonna be knock knock knocking for sweet surprise.
Speaker 2: We're gonna be talking about Trick or Treat Baby. This
Speaker 2: is Trick or Treat from nineteen eighty six, not to
Speaker 2: be confused with nineteen eighty two's Trick or Treats or
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen's Trick or treat Or or two thousand and
Speaker 2: seven's trick Er Treat? Which is your favorite of bout love?
Speaker 2: If this if the film that we're currently discussing is
Speaker 2: in the mix this one. I have to agree. I
Speaker 2: think trick Er Treat has a lot of fans because
Speaker 2: it's the first time they understood that an anthology could
Speaker 2: hang together from story to story. It doesn't matter to
Speaker 2: them that those stories are all borring and terrible. But
Speaker 2: if you're gonna say trick or treat, it's this trick
Speaker 2: or treat for me. Now, this is a let me
Speaker 2: just quickly lay out the plot for it, and then
Speaker 2: we're going to back up because we've got to talk
Speaker 2: to you specifically, mister metal, all right, Trigger Treat. It
Speaker 2: tells the tale of Eddie Weinbauer. He is a bullied
Speaker 2: high school metal head whose only solace is the music
Speaker 2: of Sammy Kerr. He's got style, got no soul, got
Speaker 2: everything that a man would want from rock and roll.
Speaker 2: When Sammy Kerr is killed in a hotel fire, Eddie
Speaker 2: becomes the recipient of the only assate of Sammy's final
Speaker 2: song if you play it backwards, good Golly Masmally, there's
Speaker 2: gonna be trouble. Letcher's demons and haunt, haunted drill presses,
Speaker 2: and a large marge back from the dead. Oh No,
Speaker 2: She's dead again. Now, this is a heavy metal movie
Speaker 2: to me. This is one of the heavy metal movies
Speaker 2: came out in nineteen eighty six. Now, I contend that
Speaker 2: this disposed of a little horror flick which was lost
Speaker 2: amidst the sea of slasher films in the mid nineteen eighties,
Speaker 2: is actually a very important horror film in its depiction
Speaker 2: of heavy metal fans. Usually you get one of two
Speaker 2: flavors in film. You get the agro villain there are
Speaker 2: too many of those to name, or the agro ally.
Speaker 2: You can check out some kind of wonderful for Elias
Speaker 2: Koteis's portrayal of Duncan the metal head ally in that one,
Speaker 2: or more recently Joe Quinn on Stranger Things far more
Speaker 2: rare is the one on display hair. This is the
Speaker 2: outcast and the loser metal head, the bullied metal head.
Speaker 2: I've seen all three throughout my life. Which one were you?
Speaker 2: And as a follow up, why do you think that
Speaker 2: striper is the platonic ideal of a heavy metal band? Wow?
Speaker 3: You can't mention the striper off? Come on, I was.
Speaker 3: I was sort of none of them until I got
Speaker 3: pulled in by the headmaster at my school and was
Speaker 3: told to cut my hair, and I did a really
Speaker 3: stupid thing. I was so cross and I was so
Speaker 3: rebellious that I thought, all right, I'll do that. So
Speaker 3: what I did was I left it long, but I
Speaker 3: shaved because Metallica. It was this was eighty eight or something.
Speaker 3: Metallica had just done and Justice for All and Jason
Speaker 3: had shaved the side of his head. So I went, right,
Speaker 3: I'm going to do that. And I shaved the side
Speaker 3: of my head and went back and said, I've had
Speaker 3: my haircut. Little did I know that you're meant to
Speaker 3: put scream and stuff on your head to make sure
Speaker 3: it doesn't blister.
Speaker 2: And all that.
Speaker 3: So what I had was gaping wounds, dripping blood, pass
Speaker 3: all that sort of thing.
Speaker 2: I was disgusting. You were fucking metal, is what you were.
Speaker 2: That's right. Take this plus how do you like that?
Speaker 2: For a fucking upgrade.
Speaker 3: He didn't drag me in in his office any longer.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I was sort of got on with the
Speaker 3: popular kids, but I was far more into Like, there
Speaker 3: was two metal heads in my school and me, and
Speaker 3: one of them didn't like me.
Speaker 2: One of them went to shows with me, and that
Speaker 2: was everything for me. Got Igro and an ally on
Speaker 2: your side. That's why.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the kid that didn't like me was a younger kid,
Speaker 3: and I guess he was a bit frightened, but he
Speaker 3: was the one that introduced me to this film via
Speaker 3: its soundtrack. We would trade and he gave me a
Speaker 3: fast Way tape with this album on it, and yeah,
Speaker 3: I blew my mind.
Speaker 2: Now, I grew up in a kind of an insular
Speaker 2: neighborhood and it was overflowing with children, and they were
Speaker 2: all older than me, mainly teenagers. So I got kind
Speaker 2: of an advanced study in popular culture. So by seventy
Speaker 2: eight seventy nine, I was seven or eight years old,
Speaker 2: and most of the people that I looked up to,
Speaker 2: the cool kids, they were listening to a CDC Aerosmith,
Speaker 2: Black Sabbath and Judas Priest and my personal favorite, just
Speaker 2: on a visual level, Iron Maiden. To me, that's the
Speaker 2: bedrock of heavy metal. Heavy metal since then has branched
Speaker 2: off crazily, pingponging in every direction. There are so many
Speaker 2: subcategories these days, I can't keep up. Because here's the thing.
Speaker 2: My knowledge of heavy metal pretty much extends to Black Sabbath.
Speaker 2: I listened to Metallica and everybody else, but very rarely.
Speaker 2: I exist in a pre Return of the Living Dead
Speaker 2: soundtrack and a post Return of the Living Dead soundtrack.
Speaker 2: As soon as I heard that punk was it and
Speaker 2: metal was out for me.
Speaker 3: I got into punk a little bit later. It was
Speaker 3: thanks to like Kirk Kbain. Really, so I was lost
Speaker 3: after thrash metal burnt out in the nineties, like really
Speaker 3: early nineties, maybe ninety one at the very latest, and
Speaker 3: I was just looking. So I started going to gigs
Speaker 3: and I was more into the indie rock stuff, so
Speaker 3: bands like the Breeders and Big Black and things like that.
Speaker 3: So I was listening to all this weird stuff and
Speaker 3: then Kurt Cobain hit me like a ton of bricks
Speaker 3: and it was the first time, as a sixteen seventeen
Speaker 3: year old whatever I was that it was like a
Speaker 3: god for me and it opened up not just I
Speaker 3: think he published like ninety two or ninety three his
Speaker 3: top one hundred albums or something like that, and it
Speaker 3: was just that was it for me. I could pick
Speaker 3: them off, right, I've never heard of this. Who's Daniel Johnston? Like,
Speaker 3: oh you likes that sonic you for one?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: And it was just like an incredible eye opening thing
Speaker 3: for me. You know, I discovered punk thanks to him.
Speaker 2: So when do you get metals? Metals so early? Don't
Speaker 2: know what it was? Okay, great, Yeah it was.
Speaker 3: I was into Kiss in nineteen eighty I was a
Speaker 3: little boy and they came over to Australia and that's
Speaker 3: where I was living, and it was like the Beatles.
Speaker 3: If you see the footage, it's crazy. I've seen the footage.
Speaker 3: It's clear, it's insane. And as a little kid, I
Speaker 3: had Gene Simmons on my wall. You could pull his tongue.
Speaker 2: And his arms and goal really like that was.
Speaker 3: Brilliant and you know, and that was me and I
Speaker 3: still have now Kiss tatoos and whatnot. I love Kiss still.
Speaker 3: But it sprouted not too far into things like fast Away,
Speaker 3: so I.
Speaker 2: Would I would drift off a bit mainly.
Speaker 3: The only other thing I got into was thrash, so
Speaker 3: it was just all that rock I discovered, Like you Maiden,
Speaker 3: I got into Motley Crue. I thought they were the
Speaker 3: eveless thing. With that Shout of the Devil album that
Speaker 3: came out, I just thought, oh God, am I going
Speaker 3: to go to hell? You know, as a kid, you
Speaker 3: don't know any concepts apart from like what on your record,
Speaker 3: and they looked evil.
Speaker 2: I remember the video for Okay, It's the kung Fu
Speaker 2: one Too Young to fall in Love, and that to
Speaker 2: me gave me the same feeling that you just described.
Speaker 2: Oh there's something especially dark about this particular band.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like because you know, I would consider myself English.
Speaker 3: They made them were everywhere, like you couldn't if you
Speaker 3: were into metal. Every magazine so they could sell it
Speaker 3: would have Maiden on the front cover, and it was
Speaker 3: one of those things that they were the top dog,
Speaker 3: everyone was underneath, and that was it growing up here.
Speaker 2: That's funny. Maiden were as niche as could be here
Speaker 2: in America's and I know they were selling out like
Speaker 2: stadiums and stuff, but it wasn't like on the radio
Speaker 2: necessarily or on the covers of popular magazines. In fact,
Speaker 2: I remember having to trek into Boston to like a
Speaker 2: niche kind of record shop to get whatever the latest
Speaker 2: poster or T shirt of Eddie was going to be.
Speaker 2: Speaking of which we're gonna get to this movie in
Speaker 2: a secondent, because we're talking Maiden, not album, not song,
Speaker 2: album cover. What is your favorite album cover for Iron Maiden.
Speaker 2: It's got to be Number of the Beast. It's got
Speaker 2: to be.
Speaker 3: Like my first day of buying actual albums, like with
Speaker 3: my own money, was there was two and I got
Speaker 3: Number of the Beast and I've got Motorheads or Gasmotron
Speaker 3: and they were both in the cheap bin. So again
Speaker 3: I was a little bit older, but I would look
Speaker 3: at them two covers and I would just put them
Speaker 3: as I would go to bed at night. I would
Speaker 3: put them against my wall and just look at them
Speaker 3: and just think, oh god, this is insane. The music
Speaker 3: was all too heavy for me at that time, like
Speaker 3: it was just but I didn't care. It was just
Speaker 3: those covers like Eddie holding the Demon, who's holding a
Speaker 3: little it?
Speaker 2: Oh, come on, come on, Number of the Best. I'm
Speaker 2: a big fan of Aces High now that yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: everyone of them is fucking gorgeous.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to get Derek Riggs on my show, like
Speaker 3: just to talk to him about horror, because I know
Speaker 3: that he loves war films and a little sprinkling of horror,
Speaker 3: which you would looking at his covers you'd think, yeah.
Speaker 3: And although he reads my messages, it says red I
Speaker 3: know he's looked at him, never once responds.
Speaker 2: So yeah, at least you have the solace that he's
Speaker 2: read them. Wake up, sleepy hood.
Speaker 3: Rock and roll will never die, at least not this Halloween.
Speaker 2: Ready raising spirits from the dead by incantatients. Right, Yes,
Speaker 2: I did that by playing a record backwards.
Speaker 4: Sammy Kerr, He's a rock and roll mic man.
Speaker 2: I am a big fan of yours.
Speaker 1: I've got all your records.
Speaker 4: They issue this message, what's meant for me?
Speaker 2: Howculousness?
Speaker 4: Stuff you down to your stereo.
Speaker 2: I wanted to know one Sammy Kerk his fans won't
Speaker 2: let him die, he won't let them live.
Speaker 5: Should be loyal to your ear right, make a turn on, yell,
Speaker 5: shrink or treat.
Speaker 2: Looks like we better check out the pretty munch we
Speaker 2: are talking about, trick or Tree. This movie was released
Speaker 2: on October the twenty fourth, nineteen eighty six. I knew
Speaker 2: where I was that that Halloween The Weekend Written by
Speaker 2: Michael S. Murphy, Joels Swisson, and rhtt Tompham, with an
Speaker 2: uncredited rewrite by future Kings of The X Files and
Speaker 2: creators of the Final Destinations franchise, Glenn Morgan and James Wong,
Speaker 2: and it was directed by Charles Martin Smith. That's character
Speaker 2: actor Charles Martin Smith, Terry the Toad from American Graffiti
Speaker 2: Charles Martin Smith. He was also Oscar Wallace, the agent
Speaker 2: who actually brings down al Capone in The Untouchables, and
Speaker 2: was the star of a fantastic film from nineteen eighty
Speaker 2: three called Never Cry Wolf. This is his directorial debut,
Speaker 2: starring Mark Price, Tony Fields, Lisa Orgolini, Doug Savant, Ozzy
Speaker 2: Osbourne and Gene Simmons. As Nuke already gave us the plot.
Speaker 2: When did you first see this movie, Paul.
Speaker 3: As, I say, the guy, the young guy was tape
Speaker 3: trading with me, so I would give him like kisses,
Speaker 3: lick it up on cassette, and then the next day
Speaker 3: he would come through with Trick or Treat by fast Away.
Speaker 3: I took it home and I was like, what is this?
Speaker 3: I love this? And then it must have been a
Speaker 3: matter of weeks later that I just I saw it
Speaker 3: Trick or Treat and on the video shelves there was
Speaker 3: only one. I do remember that, you know, I used
Speaker 3: to love it. When the new films are coming in,
Speaker 3: there's a whole rack on top and you're like, oh wow,
Speaker 3: this is the new movie that everyone loves, but this
Speaker 3: one was like a shitty one at the bottom. So
Speaker 3: I took it home. I still didn't piece it all together,
Speaker 3: and when that music came out, I was like, Oh,
Speaker 3: this is the album I've just fallen in love with.
Speaker 3: And then it's about a metal head and it's about
Speaker 3: a rock god and.
Speaker 2: Geene Simmons is in it. Oh man, come on. I
Speaker 2: loved it done this opening weekend. I yeah, this was
Speaker 2: my prime horror a phase and my prime movie going phase,
Speaker 2: so I was seeing everything that was out there, but
Speaker 2: of course I'm gonna go see this. And interestingly, I
Speaker 2: went to see this because of Charles Martin Smith, because
Speaker 2: I loved him so much, and because of not necessarily
Speaker 2: so much the mental thing, but just because of the
Speaker 2: horror thing. And I was knee deep like everyone else
Speaker 2: was at the time. In the slasher movies, we all
Speaker 2: love blood and gore. So I think a lot of
Speaker 2: people were let down by this movie because it's not
Speaker 2: really a gory film at all, and I think that's
Speaker 2: Charles Martin Smith probably working against that. But what was
Speaker 2: your reaction as a horror fan? One of the best
Speaker 2: horror fans out there. Were you ever at all disappointed
Speaker 2: about with their approach to horror in this film? Never? Never.
Speaker 3: The specific time that I watched it was hell Raiser
Speaker 3: was brand new, so it was a year or so later,
Speaker 3: and I remember looking at the effects on this and
Speaker 3: I thought, Oh, they're a step up from the Hell Raiser.
Speaker 3: Lightning effects that were going on in that I thought
Speaker 3: they were a bit hammy. It was a bit I
Speaker 3: didn't like of hell Raiser. And then I thought, oh,
Speaker 3: they've improved it with Trick or Treat and I really
Speaker 3: like those lightning effects that were going.
Speaker 2: On, But the lack of gore and things.
Speaker 3: When you're already into hell Raising and you've got that
Speaker 3: scene where you know, Frank is coming out of the
Speaker 3: floorboards and stuff like that, it's ultimate gore. This was
Speaker 3: fifteen rather than an eighteen, for sure, But because of
Speaker 3: I was already prepped by films like The Gate and
Speaker 3: things like that, it just slipped right in. It became
Speaker 3: a fast favorite, for sure, And I didn't care that
Speaker 3: it wasn't blood and guts everywhere and sex everywhere. I
Speaker 3: didn't care about that. It was just I wanted to
Speaker 3: be entertained in it entertain me.
Speaker 2: Now this film is playing off what was not an
Speaker 2: inconsequential fear at the time, satan and Satanism. We all
Speaker 2: call it now, we all call it rather amused, we
Speaker 2: call it the Satanic panic. Ha ha ha. On that point, No,
Speaker 2: there was a point in history where if you were
Speaker 2: wearing a heavy mental T shirts, somebody could walk up
Speaker 2: to you and call you a servant of Hell and
Speaker 2: feel no guilt or a total clear conscience walking away,
Speaker 2: And like the rest of society was cool with that.
Speaker 2: Heavy metal and Satanism got interlinked very very quickly. Having
Speaker 2: a band called Black Sabbath did not help. Let's face it, correct, correct,
Speaker 2: And then by the time this movie comes out, the
Speaker 2: fact that crew are shouting at the devil, now they're
Speaker 2: courting it. And what I like about this movie go
Speaker 2: go ahead.
Speaker 3: You mentioned Streiper and they were the ultimate enemy. I
Speaker 3: didn't know why, just like, these guys are nice. I
Speaker 3: don't want my metal to be nice. And when you
Speaker 3: see Sammy Kerhr and like there's that cutaway scene where
Speaker 3: he's in the hotel with all the candles around him
Speaker 3: and the things like that, and you just think, oh God,
Speaker 3: that's evil. I love that, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Man. A friend of mine and I were just talking
Speaker 2: about it. My co host on many of my shows
Speaker 2: is one of the best friends of all time, and
Speaker 2: he's the one I used to watch this movie with
Speaker 2: all the time. He is a bigger fan of this
Speaker 2: movie than even I am. And we were commenting that, like,
Speaker 2: that scene alone kind of elevates this film. That hallucinatory
Speaker 2: look into how Sammy Kerr was actually dying after we
Speaker 2: were told it was an accidental fire in a hotel.
Speaker 2: I don't know, it automatically raised the film above. I
Speaker 2: guess I'm answering my own question as far as my
Speaker 2: expectation with Gore, because this movie was leaning in a
Speaker 2: hole of the direction and it was more supernatural and
Speaker 2: less knife to skull.
Speaker 3: It's when you look at it on IMDb in a
Speaker 3: couple of other places it says it's a comedy horror,
Speaker 3: which I rare. I was like, I don't know where
Speaker 3: the comedy.
Speaker 2: In this, Yes you do. Roger vacuuming up the remains
Speaker 2: of charred large Marge is fucking hilarious every single time
Speaker 2: I see it.
Speaker 3: But okay, So there is a couple of scenes the
Speaker 3: initial when they pull the pants down and throw him
Speaker 3: out as well, that's not funny, come on, but that
Speaker 3: it's quite funny until it isn't funny until it would
Speaker 3: ruin your whole life forevermore.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what, You're right? Who's calling this a comedy?
Speaker 2: This is in no way coming. This is more of
Speaker 2: a drama with some supernatural shit going on it and
Speaker 2: then an occasional laugh.
Speaker 3: That that is trauma right there. That only the same
Speaker 3: way that those pants are pulled down and you're you're
Speaker 3: in and you're not just got your pants on, but
Speaker 3: you're butt naked in front of like all the cool
Speaker 3: chicks at school. That would be the worst thing for me.
Speaker 3: Like the one time that I've been sort of attacked
Speaker 3: in the street for being metal, I got spat on
Speaker 3: by quite an elderly woman because I was wearing don't
Speaker 3: ever you remember Axel Rose would wear this T shirt
Speaker 3: that had Jesus on it and it said kill your idols.
Speaker 2: Yes, so I wore that it got spa by an
Speaker 2: old woman. Okay, you might not have commenting on your
Speaker 2: choice in music there, Paul. It might might just have
Speaker 2: been something else. I don't know, but I do remember
Speaker 2: that sitting with me for a long time, just thinking, Ah,
Speaker 2: I really upset that person, and I double checked myself
Speaker 2: to do that to someone, to have them be in
Speaker 2: like butt naked with all them girls, I would never
Speaker 2: forget that.
Speaker 3: I would still today go to bed crying. It would
Speaker 3: be the worst. So yeah, it's not a comedy.
Speaker 2: No, poor Ragman. Did you guys have the television sitcom
Speaker 2: Family Ties in the UK? Not at all.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: Michael J. Fox starring series here before he got back
Speaker 2: to the future. His best friend in that series was
Speaker 2: it Goofy Dufus Dark named Skippy. Everyone here in America
Speaker 2: knows Skippy. Skippy was played by Mark Price, who is
Speaker 2: the star of this movie. It was a shock for
Speaker 2: I think most Americans to take Skippy seriously as a metalhead,
Speaker 2: because we've known him as such an hercle kind of
Speaker 2: nerdy guy.
Speaker 3: Interesting is interesting because I see him as nothing but
Speaker 3: a metal head.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's mad rewatching this movie just recently. Not only
Speaker 2: his performance, I think across the board other than some
Speaker 2: local hires. You can tell that you know wherever they
Speaker 2: were shooting on location in Wilmington, North Carolina. They had
Speaker 2: to you got to hire some locals, and there's only
Speaker 2: so many talented people in Wilmington, but the main cast
Speaker 2: are really, really solid, and I think it benefits from
Speaker 2: having Charles Martin Smith, who is an actor, an actor's
Speaker 2: actor as a matter of fact, directing these scenes because
Speaker 2: I noticed, like Mark Price in particular, like there's a
Speaker 2: lot of depth going on. He goes he the full
Speaker 2: range of emotions here and it's all genuine and it's
Speaker 2: all earned. And I think all the performances across the
Speaker 2: border really good. What do you think of the his
Speaker 2: performance in particular, but everyone in general.
Speaker 3: The only tim I don't like he's performance is when
Speaker 3: he does that that Christine thing, you know, where he's
Speaker 3: like now got a little bit of call about him,
Speaker 3: a bit of swagger, and then he leaves his best
Speaker 3: friends and he goes off like acting really hard and
Speaker 3: cool and smart. It's like, well, you're the same guy.
Speaker 3: You've just won one little battle. You've not won the war, dude,
Speaker 3: And I don't like that. And when it happens in Christine,
Speaker 3: it goes so wild that I'm bored with it. But
Speaker 3: with this guy, I like him. Don't treat your friends
Speaker 3: like Dix, because they're your friends. So that's the only
Speaker 3: time I'm like, but you know, he was told to
Speaker 3: act like that.
Speaker 2: So I think the only.
Speaker 3: Person that knows what movie they're in is Ozzy Osbourne.
Speaker 3: A lot of the time, I think they take it
Speaker 3: really seriously, all this cast, and I really enjoy it
Speaker 3: because of that.
Speaker 2: Okay, you mentioned we've got let's talk both cameos actually,
Speaker 2: because I guess that technical cameos from the heavy metal
Speaker 2: world evidently offered the role of Sammy Kerr but turned
Speaker 2: it down in order to portray a lifelong obsession of
Speaker 2: his wealth. Man Jack tugging Geen and the Simmons the
Speaker 2: demon himself playing DJ Nuke. Now you're a fan of
Speaker 2: mister Simmons. I'm a fan of mister Simmons. Are you
Speaker 2: a fan of his films? Runaway? Excellent?
Speaker 3: I am a fan of the films, but I know
Speaker 3: they're shit, but I am a fan of them. Like,
Speaker 3: there's nothing that he's been in that I think, Oh man,
Speaker 3: I'm not going to watch that because I will always
Speaker 3: watch that. But he is the only person in this
Speaker 3: film that I think is oh as a word. I
Speaker 3: think he's the only sensible. He's the only likable character
Speaker 3: in this movie. Everyone else it seems like bizarre and mad.
Speaker 3: And although I think the writing's quite good for the
Speaker 3: type of film that this is, to have him as
Speaker 3: the grounded guy, Gene Simmons, that's weird.
Speaker 2: It's a weird take, right, yeah, But that's what I
Speaker 2: love about it. It puts you off kilter that the
Speaker 2: craziest among us is the one speaking the truth and
Speaker 2: telling everyone exactly what needs to happen so that nothing
Speaker 2: bad happens, and then no one listens to him, and
Speaker 2: everything bad happens. I like Gene Simmons quite a bit
Speaker 2: as an actor, and I think that this is definitely
Speaker 2: his best performance. He's in two scenes in this movie,
Speaker 2: and I look forward to it every time, and I
Speaker 2: miss him when he's gone. There's something. The relationship between
Speaker 2: Ragman and Nuke is so tender and fatherly and mentor,
Speaker 2: and you know, Nuke hung the title rag Man on
Speaker 2: Eddie Weinbauer.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, yeah, definitely, And you're totally right. He is,
Speaker 3: as I say, he's the grounded guy, but he I wouldn't.
Speaker 3: He's the wrong word. But he just feels like the
Speaker 3: pain that Ragman's going through. So he's gonna be that
Speaker 3: guy that you can go to a fair from fatherly advice.
Speaker 3: I would say that, like, you know, that's the person
Speaker 3: that he looks up to. I just I'm gutted that
Speaker 3: he's not in more scenes. I know with the Aussie one,
Speaker 3: there was like like thirty to fifty minutes or something
Speaker 3: that they left on the Cutton room floor. But with Jane,
Speaker 3: I have no idea, and I would love for him
Speaker 3: to come back towards the end or something, even if
Speaker 3: it's just to be killed. I would have loved that.
Speaker 2: But no, Yeah, the finale spoilers everybody. The finale does
Speaker 2: take place at the radio stage, or parts of it
Speaker 2: take place at the radio station where it's now automated,
Speaker 2: and which I like. But you're right, like, why don't
Speaker 2: we have Nuke in there trying to stop Sammy Kerr?
Speaker 2: And not only that, Sammy Kerr and he evidently went
Speaker 2: to high school together. They have history. He's talking from
Speaker 2: experience when he's telling Eddie exactly how Sammy was and
Speaker 2: is and used to be. Now, yeah, I wish I
Speaker 2: had that box set.
Speaker 3: There's just come out, like maybe the extras reveal it.
Speaker 3: It's such a I imagine I had him for a
Speaker 3: day if that, and it was just like, right, you've
Speaker 3: nailed those two scenes, but maybe nothing else was written.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: It just seems mad opportunity that he didn't ad lib
Speaker 3: something or do something.
Speaker 2: It's crazy. Yeah, I guarantee you. Part of his decision
Speaker 2: to not play Sammy Kerr was the amount of days
Speaker 2: he would have to spend in North Carolina. I'll come
Speaker 2: down for a day or two. Sure, I'm not going
Speaker 2: to put on the makeup and have electricity and fall
Speaker 2: off a trap. He is. No, that's not going to
Speaker 2: be me. He would have been an awful Sammy Kerr,
Speaker 2: the worst, the worst. He is not that kind of metal.
Speaker 2: He's theatrical, but he's not dancy theatrical. Tell me what
Speaker 2: you think about Ossie in this. I love Ozzy in this? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I do excellent. I think it's fun.
Speaker 3: I don't know when his speech started to go really
Speaker 3: mad slurry, because here he is totally focused, even though
Speaker 3: we the cuts are no more than like ten seconds
Speaker 3: or so with him, but he can still string sentences
Speaker 3: together no problem at all. He's got that character down
Speaker 3: and he's funny with it. You I know, as I say,
Speaker 3: he knows what movie he's in and like that when
Speaker 3: I was growing up with like looking at Fangoria or whatever,
Speaker 3: just to try and like, what is there a line
Speaker 3: about this film in that you know he mentioned in
Speaker 3: an interview like yeah, there was loads of extra footage.
Speaker 3: They only used like a little bit, and I was
Speaker 3: just like, wow, what else did you give them?
Speaker 2: I'd love to see that. I hope it's on that
Speaker 2: box out, I really do. I don't. I have not
Speaker 2: seen this, bike said I will seek it out. I
Speaker 2: watched a Blu ray of this and the title of
Speaker 2: the film that I saw was ragman ah.
Speaker 3: That and mine. Yeah, so I need a new copy
Speaker 3: of this, like I got mine from Europe.
Speaker 2: Not only that, every twenty minutes or so, there's a
Speaker 2: couple of cute darts that show up. I'm sure you know,
Speaker 2: cute dants from the other films something in the top
Speaker 2: of Everyone knows them. Everyone knows them as listen, I
Speaker 2: was a projectionist twenty or so. Yeah, people like to
Speaker 2: call them cigarette burns. And let me tell you, nobody
Speaker 2: calls them cigarette burns. No one in the industry ever
Speaker 2: called them cigarette burns. We just called them ques or
Speaker 2: Q dots. It's a romantic way of saying it. But
Speaker 2: it's for people who were projectionists for one semester in college.
Speaker 2: Like they they've walked away with the No, those are
Speaker 2: ones called cigarette burns. No they're not.
Speaker 3: Anyway, I want to call them cigarette burns.
Speaker 2: Say yeah, I know, because it's cool, but loo come on,
Speaker 2: gonna be realistic. We're gonna say cigarette burns. Are you
Speaker 2: telling me you weren't putting cigarettes? Just get it just
Speaker 2: right so the next book guy that comes on and
Speaker 2: knows when to come on? Cool? You were? I never
Speaker 2: did that. I used silver tape along the edge. Anyway,
Speaker 2: where are we here? Oh my god, tricker? We are
Speaker 2: trick or treating. Glenn Morgan, the ghostwriter of this film,
Speaker 2: plays Roger in this film. Who's Roger? Roger Eddie Bower
Speaker 2: Eddie Weinbouer's best friend is played by Glenn Morgan.
Speaker 3: The oh this film, I just correct the straight and
Speaker 3: sensible mate. Yeah, yeah, he's pretty cool and like that
Speaker 3: their friendship. I wish I'd gone a bit more into it.
Speaker 3: I wish we'd gone around his house. It very much
Speaker 3: reminds me of the Gate, and I loved in the
Speaker 3: Gate where you would go around to each bedroom, you know,
Speaker 3: and like they'd be talking to each other like friends
Speaker 3: were at that time. It doesn't matter how far you've
Speaker 3: got to walk to see your friend, you're going to
Speaker 3: do it, you know, and you're going to be looking
Speaker 3: at record covers and things like that. Missedter trick there.
Speaker 3: I guess that the writing and everything was already done.
Speaker 3: Everything had to be tight. But I would have loved
Speaker 3: a little bit more between them two because they'd suit
Speaker 3: each other. We've got one that's like the a metal kid.
Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, yeah, rocks, you know whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I really liked their their friendship. I didn't know that
Speaker 3: at all. That's great news. Yeah, great.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Evidently the actor that they had lined up dropped
Speaker 2: out at the last second and they were on set,
Speaker 2: so they're like you you'll work. And about the writting,
Speaker 2: I agree. I wanted more of all of these characters,
Speaker 2: more of all of these relationships. This is a ninety
Speaker 2: minute film and it's pretty fleet footed at that, and
Speaker 2: they tell a lot of story here, but we could
Speaker 2: have had a breath here in there for Eddie and
Speaker 2: his best friend get to know Eddie a little bit
Speaker 2: more than just as the tortured person that they keep
Speaker 2: fucking heaping horrible events upon in the form of Blonde
Speaker 2: Blow Drag. Doug Savant, even.
Speaker 3: In your synopsis of the film, you mentioned, like the
Speaker 3: scene with their metal work, Yeah, crush, and like, I
Speaker 3: was always a dream of mine, not to metal work
Speaker 3: someone to death that bullied me, but just to get
Speaker 3: my own back, to win one battle against the bully.
Speaker 3: I love that, And yeah, you get that fantasy fulfilled here.
Speaker 3: As I say, his reaction about it was a bit much,
Speaker 3: but like still to get that one up finally, and
Speaker 3: how choreographed was his like escape, it was wonderful.
Speaker 2: Put the mop here, go around the corner here, put
Speaker 2: a chair here, walk down here, make sure they're going
Speaker 2: to be carrying out tables now here go That's correct,
Speaker 2: And you know what that points to, Not only did
Speaker 2: I want more of the Eddie and Roger friendship. I
Speaker 2: really wanted more of the Eddie Sammy friendship. That's pretty
Speaker 2: elating that he orchestrates that for Eddie and Eddie feels
Speaker 2: that and there might have been more of that. The
Speaker 2: scene where Eddie has started doing the back masking and
Speaker 2: realize it's effectively a telephone or a radio at this point,
Speaker 2: like he can ask questions and he'll get direct answers,
Speaker 2: Like that's he's that's such a delightful scene, Like it's exciting,
Speaker 2: and I wanted more of that, Like maybe like he
Speaker 2: worms his way into into turning Eddie Winebower evil.
Speaker 3: You know, I think though, it's because we've seen it
Speaker 3: so many times. This film is so rewatchable that you
Speaker 3: want that you'll favorite bits of which there will be
Speaker 3: loads if you're into this film, just to be extended,
Speaker 3: to see what happened next, and to expand on those
Speaker 3: characters that you already love. It's not like a regular
Speaker 3: sort of slasher that you know isn't a one and
Speaker 3: done you'll go and watch like Maniac again or whatever,
Speaker 3: but you want to. I know, I feel like friends
Speaker 3: with a lot of these characters. I feel like I
Speaker 3: know them, And yeah, I just I think you're right.
Speaker 3: Like imagine like just one night of them sitting down chatting,
Speaker 3: and so you get that bond. And then when that
Speaker 3: bond is destroyed Sammy Kurz ruined that friendship, then we
Speaker 3: can see maybe, like the way he got back on
Speaker 3: the Bullies, maybe he can get back on Sammy like that.
Speaker 3: You know that that would have been cool. I think
Speaker 3: you have to be loyal to your heroes. Wow, yeah
Speaker 3: I wouldn't. I don't know how I would conjure up
Speaker 3: K Cobain. I don't know what I need to do
Speaker 3: with a needle or whatever, but yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2: I'm quite happy where I am. I think, yeah, for sure,
Speaker 2: some sort of some sort of wacky oversized sunglasses. That's
Speaker 2: the first step in and everybody knows that, come on there, So.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that'll do it. I'll wear them back to front.
Speaker 3: Maybe he is right in front of me. I saw
Speaker 3: Nirvana and it was one of the highlights of my
Speaker 3: musical life ever, and I'll never forget it. And it
Speaker 3: was that moment like Ragman gets here where you know
Speaker 3: you've got your idol right in front of you and
Speaker 3: there's nothing nothing like it, nothing feels like it. It's
Speaker 3: like that poster on his ceiling, you know, right at
Speaker 3: the top of his wall with Sammy Kerr there, like
Speaker 3: we've been there when we see our idols. It's just like, Wow,
Speaker 3: that's that person. That's amazing. Yeah, I get like all
Speaker 3: his feels in this, I really do.
Speaker 2: A few years ago, I was a tour guide and
Speaker 2: a hunted attraction here in Las Vegas, a haunted museum perhaps,
Speaker 2: And I noticed on one tour I was conducting, we
Speaker 2: would have groups of about eight to ten people that
Speaker 2: standing in the back was this diminutive, bespectacled, balding gentleman
Speaker 2: who was most definitely Charles Martin Smith. And there comes
Speaker 2: a point in the tour where you've introduced the group
Speaker 2: to a room of artifacts, and you give them a
Speaker 2: brief history of things, and then step back and let
Speaker 2: them examine. And I did, and he was examining something
Speaker 2: and I be lined right the fuck over and I said,
Speaker 2: you're Charles Martin Smith, aren't you? And he said yeah yeah,
Speaker 2: And I said, I love you first of all Terry
Speaker 2: the Toad and Starman and any litany of roles, and
Speaker 2: I said, and of course trick or treat, and which
Speaker 2: made him laugh because he's like, there's always one of you.
Speaker 2: And then just on a personal note, I'm father alone.
Speaker 2: But that's not my actual surname. That's Wallace. Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: it's Wallace. And he portrayed a character of Oscar Wallace
Speaker 2: in The Untouchables, And as I said, he's the one
Speaker 2: who actually brings down al Capone, and he's the one
Speaker 2: who dies tragically in the effort to do so. And
Speaker 2: so I was able to tell Charles Martin Smith that,
Speaker 2: like thirteen year old me, beamed with pride, and I
Speaker 2: forever accepted Charles Martin Smith as a member of my
Speaker 2: family band them.
Speaker 3: Do you think the thing is he would have left
Speaker 3: and gone that was cool? You know that he would
Speaker 3: have remembered that.
Speaker 2: Now what if he had said, let's kill your enemies?
Speaker 2: I would have been on board that.
Speaker 3: That's the moment when you think, oh, I'm not such
Speaker 3: a fan anymore, not unless you're in this film, in
Speaker 3: which case, yeah, let's let's do it. And there is
Speaker 3: the thing with this there is that point. There is
Speaker 3: a snapping point where he knows he's gone too far.
Speaker 3: And I thought conjuring up a dead rock star would
Speaker 3: have been a turning point. But no, no, that's not it.
Speaker 3: That's that's nothing. Everyone's doing that. Everyone's backwards masking.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: I've tried after watching this film, and I think I
Speaker 3: do it in the gate, don't they as well?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah?
Speaker 3: And more recently, oh my god, the rob Zombie one
Speaker 3: with the record, Yeah, yeah, they don't backward mass up,
Speaker 3: but it sounds just like it in places it's going forward.
Speaker 3: But that sort of thing in a horror movie is amazing,
Speaker 3: and I would like ruin my records whenever Judas Priest
Speaker 3: or whoever. It was like, you know, when it went
Speaker 3: to court the States. So when I got wind of that,
Speaker 3: had that record right, and I was trying to what
Speaker 3: can you hear? Like, what was it? Kill them, kill
Speaker 3: him something like that? I had nothing, What are you
Speaker 3: talking about? Sorry to go off there.
Speaker 2: That's fine, you know. The only one I ever really
Speaker 2: heard with my own airs and went that could be
Speaker 2: something was the famous Zeppelin for Stairway to Heaven backwards
Speaker 2: my Sweet Satan. But I it's actually him if he's
Speaker 2: from the South, because like mass Sweet Sitan like that,
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, is he actually saying same? Did they
Speaker 2: put that in there? Really? Anyway, it was a great
Speaker 2: fear at the time. I love that movie that we're
Speaker 2: playing on it, and I was making this point earlier,
Speaker 2: like another thing I love about this movie the fact
Speaker 2: that everyone was so freaked out about heavy metal and
Speaker 2: Satanism and here's a movie going yep, it's all true
Speaker 2: and here's the thing.
Speaker 3: This doesn't glorify metal and the metal kid is being
Speaker 3: bullied and has got a shitty life. The rock star
Speaker 3: is killing everyone like you know, it's it's actually what
Speaker 3: they're warning you about this. Sami Curve is this person,
Speaker 3: Like the time we actually get to see him when
Speaker 3: he was alive and on stage. I think it's through
Speaker 3: a TV. But he's cutting open a live snake and
Speaker 3: pouring the blood in his mouth. So what this is
Speaker 3: beyond Motley Cruze Sunshine, what you're doing?
Speaker 2: You know? I love that moment where it's like just
Speaker 2: a lot news broadcast and they show him bite through
Speaker 2: a snake and then pour its blood into his mouth
Speaker 2: and then like revel in that blood. I'm like, are
Speaker 2: they really showing this at out? Yeah?
Speaker 3: And I want to know how that was done because
Speaker 3: it looked great. Oh, it did look great. I think
Speaker 3: Sammy Kerr is not portrayed as like he is a
Speaker 3: own model. I think the only person that you could
Speaker 3: say gets away with it again, Gene Simmons is just
Speaker 3: like a totally well adjusted person in this.
Speaker 2: I do think it's funny, however, that he's on the
Speaker 2: one hand, he's like Eddie, this is just a guy.
Speaker 2: He's not a god. And he went to this high school.
Speaker 2: If you don't put him up so high that you're
Speaker 2: going to hurt yourself now that he's gone, and then
Speaker 2: gives him the ascetate and goes, he's in here, you know,
Speaker 2: come on mixed messages, nuke, you're nuking his brain.
Speaker 3: Also, like this rock star that even makes it onto
Speaker 3: your local network news broadcast, and you've got the one copy,
Speaker 3: the one copy, and you give it to this guy,
Speaker 3: and like I would have cried, my oh, thank you
Speaker 3: for this unreleased Nirvana like album that's got one copy.
Speaker 3: I'll look after it. No, I would have cried or
Speaker 3: would have hugged. But he just said, oh man, thanks,
Speaker 3: thanks very much, cheers, you know, off he goes.
Speaker 2: I was like, what is that all you're getting? You've
Speaker 2: just given him something that's priceless. Well, no one deserved
Speaker 2: it more than Ragman. Obviously you knew Ragman would take
Speaker 2: care of that album until he didn't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, until he didn't. You mentioned what can happen with
Speaker 3: regards to like the hoovering up moment and things like that,
Speaker 3: or when it got supernatural when Sammy Kerr is like
Speaker 3: pulling people out the TV or swiping with his hand
Speaker 3: on the TV. I think it's Ossie gets swept away
Speaker 3: like that. Those effects me as a kid watching this
Speaker 3: stuff like you in a cinema, this stuff like you mentioned,
Speaker 3: like the gorl and stuff, but that when you get
Speaker 3: that sort of cool effect, I'm totally game and in
Speaker 3: trance and still today I'm like, wow, the way they
Speaker 3: must have done that, Like I'm so impressed still today.
Speaker 2: Most of the visual effects were seeing on screen I
Speaker 2: think was dream Quest Images and they were pioneers in
Speaker 2: digital imaging, which is why like when Sammy Kerr disappears,
Speaker 2: he wipes off the screen like almost as if his
Speaker 2: image is peeled away from the rest of the image,
Speaker 2: but you can see him super imposed and that he's
Speaker 2: gonna pull away in those moments if you're looking, which
Speaker 2: I am, of course. But the effects overall, I just love,
Speaker 2: particularly the makeup effects. Kevin Yeger are here doing the makeup.
Speaker 2: Kevin Yeger who did the cript Keeper as a matter
Speaker 2: of fact, for the Tales from the Crypt television series,
Speaker 2: so he did the makeup on Kerr and he did
Speaker 2: the Rape Demon. We haven't mentioned the Rape Demon sequence.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that I forget about that every time, and
Speaker 3: when it happens, oh.
Speaker 2: Every time, I never remember it either, because we both
Speaker 2: love this movie and we know that scene doesn't have
Speaker 2: any place in it. It doesn't make sense.
Speaker 3: But I guess when you've learned a new effect, you
Speaker 3: know you're doing a horror picture, like why not?
Speaker 2: Why not? And again, it doesn't hurt the film. It doesn't.
Speaker 3: This film does not need it. But that is the
Speaker 3: same when you watch it that you're just like, oh,
Speaker 3: that's that's gross. And yet I guess as a kid,
Speaker 3: you all went, as a you know, a young male kid, Oh, hello,
Speaker 3: this is this is really cool. I'm loving this.
Speaker 2: Oh as a pubescent boy, sure it's it's it's the
Speaker 2: greatest scene on earth. So I watched with any sort
Speaker 2: of morality at all. It kind of kind of goes away. However, technically,
Speaker 2: as you're saying, the creature itself is fucking great, first
Speaker 2: of all, and then the animation of the ghostly tendrils
Speaker 2: that are removing her clothing that's really cool too. But
Speaker 2: here's my question. Eddie gives his bully this tape hoping
Speaker 2: he's going to listen to the tape, and it's going
Speaker 2: to kill him yep, and inadvertently kills the guy's girlfriend,
Speaker 2: who listens to the tape. Now, had the intended victim,
Speaker 2: Doug Savant, the blow dried blonde bully, listened to the tape,
Speaker 2: would the demon have also sexily undressed him.
Speaker 3: I hope so I wouldn't have been so turned on
Speaker 3: watching that scene, but I still would have really enjoyed it.
Speaker 3: I would have loved that moment. Yeah, it's an unfortunate thing,
Speaker 3: but we need more bully and I like when the
Speaker 3: bully finally flips and gets scared, and you know, as
Speaker 3: bullies do, when they there's something that they don't understand,
Speaker 3: they strike out and when it gets too much, they retreat.
Speaker 3: And it's a perfect execution of that scenario with this film.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm as I say, I forget every time
Speaker 3: when I watch this film, and I've watched this film
Speaker 3: a lot, I just forget that's there, And when it's there,
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, it's that scene, And then I'm like, oh,
Speaker 3: it's that see.
Speaker 2: Oh oh yeah, I just noticed for the first time
Speaker 2: today rewatching this film. When Sammy Kerr appears to Roger
Speaker 2: at one point, he motions to the television and the
Speaker 2: television television flicks through a dozen different channels. One of
Speaker 2: the images, just for a moment is a bit of driftwood.
Speaker 2: That's a piece of the Elizabeth Dane because for one
Speaker 2: moment there's a shot of John Carpenter's The Fog on
Speaker 2: that television. Wow them alone. I found that very interesting.
Speaker 2: What's it mean? I don't know. And also how did
Speaker 2: they have had the rights to that? They couldn't have
Speaker 2: that's the This is a Dela Entis Entertainment Group film.
Speaker 2: The Fog was Avco embassy and released by I think
Speaker 2: Universal or Fox or something, so there's no way there
Speaker 2: was any overlap. Somebody just was like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: just throw a picture of that fucking driftwood. I guess.
Speaker 3: It is really interesting because like this film, when you
Speaker 3: watch it, it feels like there is a love of the
Speaker 3: genre within it, and yet I know from past interviews
Speaker 3: with the director and other people on set that that
Speaker 3: wasn't particularly the case, that that love of horror wasn't there.
Speaker 3: This was another film, another job. Yes it was a
Speaker 3: horror film, but like that wasn't what they were, you know,
Speaker 3: in love with making this and crafting this even like
Speaker 3: Sammy Kerr is not a rocker, you know, it's what
Speaker 3: is he a dancer? He danced with Michael Jackson. I
Speaker 3: think he did a backup dancer, ye, But I think
Speaker 3: it works in this case, Justred per, I think everything works.
Speaker 3: I just think it's so lucky the way it all
Speaker 3: comes together, because, like you say, like that little flash
Speaker 3: that you noticed of another film like horror nerds would
Speaker 3: would be doing that, but who else would.
Speaker 2: No one would get that, so why risk it?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: I like that they don't. It's not a love of
Speaker 2: the genre that this was made. I don't get out
Speaker 2: you're talking about. Charles Martin Smith was probably not the
Speaker 2: biggest horror fan, but wanted to direct a movie and
Speaker 2: this was an opportunity, so we took it and he
Speaker 2: did the best job he could. And I think he
Speaker 2: did do a fantastic job. But the other people working
Speaker 2: with him certainly could be fans of horror. I'm sure
Speaker 2: the guy prepping their video thing where it's just flicking through,
Speaker 2: I'm sure it just read in the script it flicks
Speaker 2: from channel to channel, and nobody gave a shit what
Speaker 2: those channel would look like as long as it flipped
Speaker 2: through those channels. So somebody who's a horror fan working here,
Speaker 2: there's somebody on the inside, was it you? I don't
Speaker 2: tell anybody now before we go, mister Paul Waller, I'm
Speaker 2: going to steal a page from your book. Let's say
Speaker 2: right now, in twenty twenty four, there are plans on
Speaker 2: the books for a remake of Trick or Treat and
Speaker 2: they need a new theme song. You until recently were
Speaker 2: the frontmen of the fantastic metal band Homes. Which song
Speaker 2: of your back catalog are you going to choose? And
Speaker 2: we're going to play it right after this.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you can because it's too long,
Speaker 3: but I would definitely put a song like Dawn of
Speaker 3: the Swarm one. It's an early one, but it's still available.
Speaker 3: I think it's like eighteen minutes long, So don't do
Speaker 3: all of that. But there is a bit on the
Speaker 3: second half where I start like talking about like this
Speaker 3: wizard and then and all the time when the music's
Speaker 3: going in the background, there's a little backwards like sitar
Speaker 3: noise that if you listen carefully, it's in there. It's
Speaker 3: just a guitar playing backwards, but it sounds just like
Speaker 3: a Star and I was always thinking of, like playing
Speaker 3: this backwards, what would that sound like? So I guess
Speaker 3: that matches like that the gist of this, but Dawn
Speaker 3: of the Swarm for sure, well that bit is going
Speaker 3: to be cut in.
Speaker 2: How about that? Not the fall eighteen minutes we got
Speaker 2: I've got a tablem in here. Can I just say
Speaker 2: I have delayed in recently in the past few weeks
Speaker 2: visiting your back catalog, I was a neophyte there. I'm
Speaker 2: sorry you're no longer a band now. I think that
Speaker 2: last album is my favorite. That might be just a
Speaker 2: little punker me like in four minute songs and not
Speaker 2: eighteen minute masterpieces, but that entire album rot in particular.
Speaker 2: Can you guess what my favorite song might have? Could
Speaker 2: it be swamping?
Speaker 4: It is?
Speaker 2: Wow? By the way, I read a review that said
Speaker 2: that the opening sound and the closing sound on the
Speaker 2: album is a cassette tape, like a fucking audio cassette tape.
Speaker 2: Are they out of their minds? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I mean yeah, we take any review that you can get,
Speaker 3: and I'll take it. But yeah, our drummer I just said, look,
Speaker 3: we need a few weird sounds and things in this.
Speaker 3: It's basically a horror movie. We're going to begin it
Speaker 3: and we're going to end it. Can you just sort
Speaker 3: something out? And he just came up with all of
Speaker 3: that in a couple of weeks, and bless him. The
Speaker 3: sound of a VHS tape going in especially, I just
Speaker 3: know I can see the machine as it goes in
Speaker 3: on that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I'm sure it's been done a million times, but
Speaker 3: just to have my horror fantasies on one record, and
Speaker 3: that record being rott So we finally did those shorter
Speaker 3: songs and they're so catchy. Man, I loved it. I
Speaker 3: had to do something like that before we split, and
Speaker 3: I'm glad we did.
Speaker 2: Am I insulting by comparing your band to Stone Temple Pilots,
Speaker 2: I would say heaviest version of Stone Temple Pilots parsible, I.
Speaker 3: Would say, like that first record and also one of
Speaker 3: the really later records as well. I think it's got
Speaker 3: Star on the cover. There's some moments in that, and
Speaker 3: definitely moments on the first one. I would always try
Speaker 3: and because he had that quite Eddy vedery voice, yeah,
Speaker 3: and I would try and avoid that at every possible
Speaker 3: moment that I could, and whenever I would creep into it,
Speaker 3: the band would stop and I'd go hold on, hold on,
Speaker 3: hold on, and like go back, and I'd have to
Speaker 3: redo it. So yeah, they were fans for sure.
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily mean that your vocal standings was that
Speaker 2: of Scott Winland. I was just saying musically.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh yeah, but I loved I loved that
Speaker 3: Eddie Veder like Scott, like.
Speaker 2: Wish I could do it. You can see while they
Speaker 2: were like Nopaul, I think you guys did all right?
Speaker 2: All right, Thank you ladies and Gentleen, Thank you Paul
Speaker 2: for joining us. Hey, I was just about to cut
Speaker 2: out without letting you plug your fucking show. Oh ayre
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Speaker 2: had nothing else to air. We're going to leave you
Speaker 2: with a bit of Sammy Kerr and then a bit
Speaker 2: of ohms. We'll catch you next time on Father Malone's
Speaker 2: Weekly round Up. That'll be next Monday. Was that message
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Speaker 2: Okay, there's a plan.
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Speaker 4: Yes, I remember?
Speaker 2: After yesterday?
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