WEBVTT

1
00:00:04.639 --> 00:00:26.160
<v Speaker 1>Will you wait, miss?

2
00:01:16.079 --> 00:01:18.680
<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to midnight Viewing. I'm your host. Father Alone

3
00:01:18.719 --> 00:01:22.200
<v Speaker 2>and with Us is a returning guest, our first returning guest.

4
00:01:22.400 --> 00:01:26.359
<v Speaker 2>Are you honored? Of course? I had, Well, you should be.

5
00:01:26.359 --> 00:01:28.599
<v Speaker 2>You're one of the few humans I can tolerate. Back

6
00:01:28.640 --> 00:01:31.519
<v Speaker 2>with Us is the host of A Year in Horror podcast.

7
00:01:31.599 --> 00:01:34.439
<v Speaker 2>When last he graced our airwaves with his molifluous tones,

8
00:01:34.719 --> 00:01:37.439
<v Speaker 2>I declared A Year in Horror the best movie podcast

9
00:01:37.480 --> 00:01:39.719
<v Speaker 2>out there. Since then, I've had a chance to sample

10
00:01:39.760 --> 00:01:42.560
<v Speaker 2>a great number of other shows. Turns out I'm correct.

11
00:01:42.599 --> 00:01:43.920
<v Speaker 2>Welcome back, mister Paul Waller.

12
00:01:45.040 --> 00:01:48.959
<v Speaker 3>Love it again. I love your voice is the voice

13
00:01:48.959 --> 00:01:49.599
<v Speaker 3>of America.

14
00:01:50.239 --> 00:01:54.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh if only need some reason these days. That's right.

15
00:01:54.439 --> 00:01:57.359
<v Speaker 2>Tonight we're gonna be knock knock knocking for sweet surprise.

16
00:01:58.040 --> 00:02:00.959
<v Speaker 2>We're gonna be talking about Trick or Treat Baby. This

17
00:02:01.000 --> 00:02:03.159
<v Speaker 2>is Trick or Treat from nineteen eighty six, not to

18
00:02:03.200 --> 00:02:06.480
<v Speaker 2>be confused with nineteen eighty two's Trick or Treats or

19
00:02:06.519 --> 00:02:09.719
<v Speaker 2>twenty nineteen's Trick or treat Or or two thousand and

20
00:02:09.759 --> 00:02:14.879
<v Speaker 2>seven's trick Er Treat? Which is your favorite of bout love?

21
00:02:15.520 --> 00:02:18.120
<v Speaker 2>If this if the film that we're currently discussing is

22
00:02:18.599 --> 00:02:22.120
<v Speaker 2>in the mix this one. I have to agree. I

23
00:02:22.120 --> 00:02:25.360
<v Speaker 2>think trick Er Treat has a lot of fans because

24
00:02:25.599 --> 00:02:27.800
<v Speaker 2>it's the first time they understood that an anthology could

25
00:02:27.840 --> 00:02:30.680
<v Speaker 2>hang together from story to story. It doesn't matter to

26
00:02:30.719 --> 00:02:32.879
<v Speaker 2>them that those stories are all borring and terrible. But

27
00:02:33.560 --> 00:02:35.479
<v Speaker 2>if you're gonna say trick or treat, it's this trick

28
00:02:35.560 --> 00:02:37.960
<v Speaker 2>or treat for me. Now, this is a let me

29
00:02:38.039 --> 00:02:40.120
<v Speaker 2>just quickly lay out the plot for it, and then

30
00:02:40.159 --> 00:02:41.800
<v Speaker 2>we're going to back up because we've got to talk

31
00:02:41.840 --> 00:02:45.120
<v Speaker 2>to you specifically, mister metal, all right, Trigger Treat. It

32
00:02:45.159 --> 00:02:47.479
<v Speaker 2>tells the tale of Eddie Weinbauer. He is a bullied

33
00:02:47.560 --> 00:02:49.800
<v Speaker 2>high school metal head whose only solace is the music

34
00:02:49.840 --> 00:02:53.560
<v Speaker 2>of Sammy Kerr. He's got style, got no soul, got

35
00:02:53.599 --> 00:02:55.840
<v Speaker 2>everything that a man would want from rock and roll.

36
00:02:56.000 --> 00:02:58.400
<v Speaker 2>When Sammy Kerr is killed in a hotel fire, Eddie

37
00:02:58.400 --> 00:03:01.439
<v Speaker 2>becomes the recipient of the only assate of Sammy's final

38
00:03:01.599 --> 00:03:04.520
<v Speaker 2>song if you play it backwards, good Golly Masmally, there's

39
00:03:04.520 --> 00:03:08.800
<v Speaker 2>gonna be trouble. Letcher's demons and haunt, haunted drill presses,

40
00:03:09.039 --> 00:03:11.759
<v Speaker 2>and a large marge back from the dead. Oh No,

41
00:03:11.960 --> 00:03:15.240
<v Speaker 2>She's dead again. Now, this is a heavy metal movie

42
00:03:15.240 --> 00:03:18.199
<v Speaker 2>to me. This is one of the heavy metal movies

43
00:03:18.599 --> 00:03:21.039
<v Speaker 2>came out in nineteen eighty six. Now, I contend that

44
00:03:21.080 --> 00:03:24.000
<v Speaker 2>this disposed of a little horror flick which was lost

45
00:03:24.120 --> 00:03:27.280
<v Speaker 2>amidst the sea of slasher films in the mid nineteen eighties,

46
00:03:27.520 --> 00:03:31.520
<v Speaker 2>is actually a very important horror film in its depiction

47
00:03:31.680 --> 00:03:35.280
<v Speaker 2>of heavy metal fans. Usually you get one of two

48
00:03:35.360 --> 00:03:38.759
<v Speaker 2>flavors in film. You get the agro villain there are

49
00:03:38.759 --> 00:03:41.840
<v Speaker 2>too many of those to name, or the agro ally.

50
00:03:42.680 --> 00:03:45.120
<v Speaker 2>You can check out some kind of wonderful for Elias

51
00:03:45.159 --> 00:03:48.319
<v Speaker 2>Koteis's portrayal of Duncan the metal head ally in that one,

52
00:03:48.439 --> 00:03:51.840
<v Speaker 2>or more recently Joe Quinn on Stranger Things far more

53
00:03:51.960 --> 00:03:54.759
<v Speaker 2>rare is the one on display hair. This is the

54
00:03:54.800 --> 00:03:58.159
<v Speaker 2>outcast and the loser metal head, the bullied metal head.

55
00:03:58.199 --> 00:04:01.360
<v Speaker 2>I've seen all three throughout my life. Which one were you?

56
00:04:01.800 --> 00:04:04.159
<v Speaker 2>And as a follow up, why do you think that

57
00:04:04.199 --> 00:04:07.199
<v Speaker 2>striper is the platonic ideal of a heavy metal band? Wow?

58
00:04:08.919 --> 00:04:13.080
<v Speaker 3>You can't mention the striper off? Come on, I was.

59
00:04:13.520 --> 00:04:16.519
<v Speaker 3>I was sort of none of them until I got

60
00:04:16.519 --> 00:04:20.079
<v Speaker 3>pulled in by the headmaster at my school and was

61
00:04:20.079 --> 00:04:23.639
<v Speaker 3>told to cut my hair, and I did a really

62
00:04:23.759 --> 00:04:26.639
<v Speaker 3>stupid thing. I was so cross and I was so

63
00:04:26.759 --> 00:04:29.360
<v Speaker 3>rebellious that I thought, all right, I'll do that. So

64
00:04:29.360 --> 00:04:30.839
<v Speaker 3>what I did was I left it long, but I

65
00:04:30.959 --> 00:04:34.800
<v Speaker 3>shaved because Metallica. It was this was eighty eight or something.

66
00:04:34.959 --> 00:04:39.399
<v Speaker 3>Metallica had just done and Justice for All and Jason

67
00:04:39.439 --> 00:04:42.160
<v Speaker 3>had shaved the side of his head. So I went, right,

68
00:04:42.199 --> 00:04:44.199
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to do that. And I shaved the side

69
00:04:44.199 --> 00:04:46.360
<v Speaker 3>of my head and went back and said, I've had

70
00:04:46.360 --> 00:04:49.360
<v Speaker 3>my haircut. Little did I know that you're meant to

71
00:04:49.519 --> 00:04:52.199
<v Speaker 3>put scream and stuff on your head to make sure

72
00:04:52.240 --> 00:04:53.240
<v Speaker 3>it doesn't blister.

73
00:04:53.120 --> 00:04:53.439
<v Speaker 2>And all that.

74
00:04:53.800 --> 00:04:57.600
<v Speaker 3>So what I had was gaping wounds, dripping blood, pass

75
00:04:57.839 --> 00:04:58.720
<v Speaker 3>all that sort of thing.

76
00:04:58.759 --> 00:05:02.000
<v Speaker 2>I was disgusting. You were fucking metal, is what you were.

77
00:05:03.360 --> 00:05:05.800
<v Speaker 2>That's right. Take this plus how do you like that?

78
00:05:05.959 --> 00:05:07.040
<v Speaker 2>For a fucking upgrade.

79
00:05:08.040 --> 00:05:11.639
<v Speaker 3>He didn't drag me in in his office any longer.

80
00:05:12.160 --> 00:05:13.879
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, I was sort of got on with the

81
00:05:13.920 --> 00:05:18.079
<v Speaker 3>popular kids, but I was far more into Like, there

82
00:05:18.160 --> 00:05:21.000
<v Speaker 3>was two metal heads in my school and me, and

83
00:05:21.040 --> 00:05:22.120
<v Speaker 3>one of them didn't like me.

84
00:05:22.240 --> 00:05:25.600
<v Speaker 2>One of them went to shows with me, and that

85
00:05:25.800 --> 00:05:29.040
<v Speaker 2>was everything for me. Got Igro and an ally on

86
00:05:29.079 --> 00:05:30.600
<v Speaker 2>your side. That's why.

87
00:05:30.680 --> 00:05:33.439
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the kid that didn't like me was a younger kid,

88
00:05:33.800 --> 00:05:36.680
<v Speaker 3>and I guess he was a bit frightened, but he

89
00:05:36.959 --> 00:05:40.399
<v Speaker 3>was the one that introduced me to this film via

90
00:05:40.480 --> 00:05:44.240
<v Speaker 3>its soundtrack. We would trade and he gave me a

91
00:05:44.279 --> 00:05:47.160
<v Speaker 3>fast Way tape with this album on it, and yeah,

92
00:05:47.279 --> 00:05:48.360
<v Speaker 3>I blew my mind.

93
00:05:49.120 --> 00:05:51.279
<v Speaker 2>Now, I grew up in a kind of an insular

94
00:05:51.319 --> 00:05:53.720
<v Speaker 2>neighborhood and it was overflowing with children, and they were

95
00:05:53.800 --> 00:05:57.040
<v Speaker 2>all older than me, mainly teenagers. So I got kind

96
00:05:57.040 --> 00:06:01.519
<v Speaker 2>of an advanced study in popular culture. So by seventy

97
00:06:01.560 --> 00:06:03.920
<v Speaker 2>eight seventy nine, I was seven or eight years old,

98
00:06:04.319 --> 00:06:07.000
<v Speaker 2>and most of the people that I looked up to,

99
00:06:07.279 --> 00:06:11.439
<v Speaker 2>the cool kids, they were listening to a CDC Aerosmith,

100
00:06:11.680 --> 00:06:15.079
<v Speaker 2>Black Sabbath and Judas Priest and my personal favorite, just

101
00:06:15.079 --> 00:06:19.000
<v Speaker 2>on a visual level, Iron Maiden. To me, that's the

102
00:06:19.040 --> 00:06:23.920
<v Speaker 2>bedrock of heavy metal. Heavy metal since then has branched

103
00:06:23.959 --> 00:06:27.720
<v Speaker 2>off crazily, pingponging in every direction. There are so many

104
00:06:27.759 --> 00:06:31.439
<v Speaker 2>subcategories these days, I can't keep up. Because here's the thing.

105
00:06:31.639 --> 00:06:37.240
<v Speaker 2>My knowledge of heavy metal pretty much extends to Black Sabbath.

106
00:06:37.480 --> 00:06:40.360
<v Speaker 2>I listened to Metallica and everybody else, but very rarely.

107
00:06:40.920 --> 00:06:43.720
<v Speaker 2>I exist in a pre Return of the Living Dead

108
00:06:43.720 --> 00:06:46.639
<v Speaker 2>soundtrack and a post Return of the Living Dead soundtrack.

109
00:06:46.839 --> 00:06:49.120
<v Speaker 2>As soon as I heard that punk was it and

110
00:06:49.199 --> 00:06:50.360
<v Speaker 2>metal was out for me.

111
00:06:50.920 --> 00:06:54.199
<v Speaker 3>I got into punk a little bit later. It was

112
00:06:54.240 --> 00:06:59.519
<v Speaker 3>thanks to like Kirk Kbain. Really, so I was lost

113
00:06:59.560 --> 00:07:03.240
<v Speaker 3>after thrash metal burnt out in the nineties, like really

114
00:07:03.319 --> 00:07:06.199
<v Speaker 3>early nineties, maybe ninety one at the very latest, and

115
00:07:06.240 --> 00:07:08.680
<v Speaker 3>I was just looking. So I started going to gigs

116
00:07:09.800 --> 00:07:13.199
<v Speaker 3>and I was more into the indie rock stuff, so

117
00:07:13.920 --> 00:07:17.800
<v Speaker 3>bands like the Breeders and Big Black and things like that.

118
00:07:17.839 --> 00:07:19.839
<v Speaker 3>So I was listening to all this weird stuff and

119
00:07:19.839 --> 00:07:22.720
<v Speaker 3>then Kurt Cobain hit me like a ton of bricks

120
00:07:23.120 --> 00:07:27.199
<v Speaker 3>and it was the first time, as a sixteen seventeen

121
00:07:27.240 --> 00:07:29.639
<v Speaker 3>year old whatever I was that it was like a

122
00:07:29.759 --> 00:07:34.079
<v Speaker 3>god for me and it opened up not just I

123
00:07:34.120 --> 00:07:39.319
<v Speaker 3>think he published like ninety two or ninety three his

124
00:07:39.600 --> 00:07:42.240
<v Speaker 3>top one hundred albums or something like that, and it

125
00:07:42.319 --> 00:07:44.600
<v Speaker 3>was just that was it for me. I could pick

126
00:07:44.600 --> 00:07:47.959
<v Speaker 3>them off, right, I've never heard of this. Who's Daniel Johnston? Like,

127
00:07:48.040 --> 00:07:49.600
<v Speaker 3>oh you likes that sonic you for one?

128
00:07:49.720 --> 00:07:49.920
<v Speaker 2>You know?

129
00:07:50.000 --> 00:07:53.360
<v Speaker 3>And it was just like an incredible eye opening thing

130
00:07:53.399 --> 00:07:56.519
<v Speaker 3>for me. You know, I discovered punk thanks to him.

131
00:07:56.800 --> 00:08:00.199
<v Speaker 2>So when do you get metals? Metals so early? Don't

132
00:08:00.199 --> 00:08:03.120
<v Speaker 2>know what it was? Okay, great, Yeah it was.

133
00:08:03.199 --> 00:08:07.319
<v Speaker 3>I was into Kiss in nineteen eighty I was a

134
00:08:07.399 --> 00:08:09.959
<v Speaker 3>little boy and they came over to Australia and that's

135
00:08:09.959 --> 00:08:14.199
<v Speaker 3>where I was living, and it was like the Beatles.

136
00:08:14.480 --> 00:08:17.720
<v Speaker 3>If you see the footage, it's crazy. I've seen the footage.

137
00:08:17.759 --> 00:08:21.360
<v Speaker 3>It's clear, it's insane. And as a little kid, I

138
00:08:21.399 --> 00:08:24.279
<v Speaker 3>had Gene Simmons on my wall. You could pull his tongue.

139
00:08:24.040 --> 00:08:26.160
<v Speaker 2>And his arms and goal really like that was.

140
00:08:26.120 --> 00:08:28.959
<v Speaker 3>Brilliant and you know, and that was me and I

141
00:08:28.959 --> 00:08:32.000
<v Speaker 3>still have now Kiss tatoos and whatnot. I love Kiss still.

142
00:08:32.080 --> 00:08:37.360
<v Speaker 3>But it sprouted not too far into things like fast Away,

143
00:08:37.399 --> 00:08:37.720
<v Speaker 3>so I.

144
00:08:37.639 --> 00:08:39.919
<v Speaker 2>Would I would drift off a bit mainly.

145
00:08:40.879 --> 00:08:43.200
<v Speaker 3>The only other thing I got into was thrash, so

146
00:08:43.240 --> 00:08:46.720
<v Speaker 3>it was just all that rock I discovered, Like you Maiden,

147
00:08:47.600 --> 00:08:50.600
<v Speaker 3>I got into Motley Crue. I thought they were the

148
00:08:50.720 --> 00:08:53.440
<v Speaker 3>eveless thing. With that Shout of the Devil album that

149
00:08:53.519 --> 00:08:55.320
<v Speaker 3>came out, I just thought, oh God, am I going

150
00:08:55.399 --> 00:08:57.759
<v Speaker 3>to go to hell? You know, as a kid, you

151
00:08:57.799 --> 00:09:00.679
<v Speaker 3>don't know any concepts apart from like what on your record,

152
00:09:00.679 --> 00:09:01.519
<v Speaker 3>and they looked evil.

153
00:09:02.600 --> 00:09:05.519
<v Speaker 2>I remember the video for Okay, It's the kung Fu

154
00:09:05.600 --> 00:09:08.200
<v Speaker 2>one Too Young to fall in Love, and that to

155
00:09:08.279 --> 00:09:10.679
<v Speaker 2>me gave me the same feeling that you just described.

156
00:09:10.799 --> 00:09:13.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh there's something especially dark about this particular band.

157
00:09:14.879 --> 00:09:19.799
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Like because you know, I would consider myself English.

158
00:09:20.480 --> 00:09:24.279
<v Speaker 3>They made them were everywhere, like you couldn't if you

159
00:09:24.320 --> 00:09:26.840
<v Speaker 3>were into metal. Every magazine so they could sell it

160
00:09:26.840 --> 00:09:29.759
<v Speaker 3>would have Maiden on the front cover, and it was

161
00:09:29.799 --> 00:09:32.679
<v Speaker 3>one of those things that they were the top dog,

162
00:09:32.799 --> 00:09:36.120
<v Speaker 3>everyone was underneath, and that was it growing up here.

163
00:09:37.159 --> 00:09:41.399
<v Speaker 2>That's funny. Maiden were as niche as could be here

164
00:09:41.440 --> 00:09:43.519
<v Speaker 2>in America's and I know they were selling out like

165
00:09:43.799 --> 00:09:46.720
<v Speaker 2>stadiums and stuff, but it wasn't like on the radio

166
00:09:46.840 --> 00:09:51.879
<v Speaker 2>necessarily or on the covers of popular magazines. In fact,

167
00:09:51.919 --> 00:09:55.240
<v Speaker 2>I remember having to trek into Boston to like a

168
00:09:55.399 --> 00:09:57.919
<v Speaker 2>niche kind of record shop to get whatever the latest

169
00:09:57.919 --> 00:10:00.240
<v Speaker 2>poster or T shirt of Eddie was going to be.

170
00:10:00.919 --> 00:10:02.799
<v Speaker 2>Speaking of which we're gonna get to this movie in

171
00:10:02.840 --> 00:10:07.039
<v Speaker 2>a secondent, because we're talking Maiden, not album, not song,

172
00:10:07.559 --> 00:10:11.200
<v Speaker 2>album cover. What is your favorite album cover for Iron Maiden.

173
00:10:11.840 --> 00:10:13.840
<v Speaker 2>It's got to be Number of the Beast. It's got

174
00:10:13.840 --> 00:10:14.080
<v Speaker 2>to be.

175
00:10:14.399 --> 00:10:18.120
<v Speaker 3>Like my first day of buying actual albums, like with

176
00:10:18.200 --> 00:10:21.039
<v Speaker 3>my own money, was there was two and I got

177
00:10:21.120 --> 00:10:23.639
<v Speaker 3>Number of the Beast and I've got Motorheads or Gasmotron

178
00:10:24.120 --> 00:10:27.440
<v Speaker 3>and they were both in the cheap bin. So again

179
00:10:27.559 --> 00:10:30.000
<v Speaker 3>I was a little bit older, but I would look

180
00:10:30.000 --> 00:10:32.000
<v Speaker 3>at them two covers and I would just put them

181
00:10:32.039 --> 00:10:33.360
<v Speaker 3>as I would go to bed at night. I would

182
00:10:33.399 --> 00:10:35.399
<v Speaker 3>put them against my wall and just look at them

183
00:10:35.440 --> 00:10:38.080
<v Speaker 3>and just think, oh god, this is insane. The music

184
00:10:38.159 --> 00:10:40.279
<v Speaker 3>was all too heavy for me at that time, like

185
00:10:40.360 --> 00:10:41.840
<v Speaker 3>it was just but I didn't care. It was just

186
00:10:41.879 --> 00:10:45.440
<v Speaker 3>those covers like Eddie holding the Demon, who's holding a

187
00:10:45.440 --> 00:10:45.759
<v Speaker 3>little it?

188
00:10:45.879 --> 00:10:49.759
<v Speaker 2>Oh, come on, come on, Number of the Best. I'm

189
00:10:49.799 --> 00:10:53.279
<v Speaker 2>a big fan of Aces High now that yeah, I mean,

190
00:10:54.399 --> 00:10:56.240
<v Speaker 2>everyone of them is fucking gorgeous.

191
00:10:56.399 --> 00:10:58.960
<v Speaker 3>I'm trying to get Derek Riggs on my show, like

192
00:10:59.080 --> 00:11:01.840
<v Speaker 3>just to talk to him about horror, because I know

193
00:11:01.960 --> 00:11:05.559
<v Speaker 3>that he loves war films and a little sprinkling of horror,

194
00:11:05.600 --> 00:11:09.200
<v Speaker 3>which you would looking at his covers you'd think, yeah.

195
00:11:09.240 --> 00:11:13.759
<v Speaker 3>And although he reads my messages, it says red I

196
00:11:13.759 --> 00:11:15.919
<v Speaker 3>know he's looked at him, never once responds.

197
00:11:16.080 --> 00:11:18.720
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, at least you have the solace that he's

198
00:11:18.799 --> 00:11:21.000
<v Speaker 2>read them. Wake up, sleepy hood.

199
00:11:29.279 --> 00:11:34.159
<v Speaker 3>Rock and roll will never die, at least not this Halloween.

200
00:11:36.480 --> 00:11:40.600
<v Speaker 2>Ready raising spirits from the dead by incantatients. Right, Yes,

201
00:11:41.159 --> 00:11:42.919
<v Speaker 2>I did that by playing a record backwards.

202
00:11:46.000 --> 00:11:51.600
<v Speaker 4>Sammy Kerr, He's a rock and roll mic man.

203
00:11:51.840 --> 00:11:53.039
<v Speaker 2>I am a big fan of yours.

204
00:11:53.080 --> 00:11:58.080
<v Speaker 1>I've got all your records.

205
00:11:58.279 --> 00:12:02.120
<v Speaker 4>They issue this message, what's meant for me?

206
00:12:04.120 --> 00:12:05.000
<v Speaker 2>Howculousness?

207
00:12:05.120 --> 00:12:22.279
<v Speaker 4>Stuff you down to your stereo.

208
00:12:22.919 --> 00:12:26.960
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to know one Sammy Kerk his fans won't

209
00:12:27.039 --> 00:12:30.679
<v Speaker 2>let him die, he won't let them live.

210
00:12:32.120 --> 00:12:36.960
<v Speaker 5>Should be loyal to your ear right, make a turn on, yell,

211
00:12:54.840 --> 00:12:57.200
<v Speaker 5>shrink or treat.

212
00:12:57.799 --> 00:13:08.240
<v Speaker 2>Looks like we better check out the pretty munch we

213
00:13:08.320 --> 00:13:11.200
<v Speaker 2>are talking about, trick or Tree. This movie was released

214
00:13:11.200 --> 00:13:13.960
<v Speaker 2>on October the twenty fourth, nineteen eighty six. I knew

215
00:13:14.000 --> 00:13:17.159
<v Speaker 2>where I was that that Halloween The Weekend Written by

216
00:13:17.200 --> 00:13:20.840
<v Speaker 2>Michael S. Murphy, Joels Swisson, and rhtt Tompham, with an

217
00:13:20.960 --> 00:13:23.720
<v Speaker 2>uncredited rewrite by future Kings of The X Files and

218
00:13:23.759 --> 00:13:27.799
<v Speaker 2>creators of the Final Destinations franchise, Glenn Morgan and James Wong,

219
00:13:28.320 --> 00:13:31.600
<v Speaker 2>and it was directed by Charles Martin Smith. That's character

220
00:13:31.639 --> 00:13:34.919
<v Speaker 2>actor Charles Martin Smith, Terry the Toad from American Graffiti

221
00:13:35.200 --> 00:13:38.360
<v Speaker 2>Charles Martin Smith. He was also Oscar Wallace, the agent

222
00:13:38.399 --> 00:13:41.639
<v Speaker 2>who actually brings down al Capone in The Untouchables, and

223
00:13:41.840 --> 00:13:44.159
<v Speaker 2>was the star of a fantastic film from nineteen eighty

224
00:13:44.159 --> 00:13:47.360
<v Speaker 2>three called Never Cry Wolf. This is his directorial debut,

225
00:13:47.799 --> 00:13:53.120
<v Speaker 2>starring Mark Price, Tony Fields, Lisa Orgolini, Doug Savant, Ozzy

226
00:13:53.240 --> 00:13:58.080
<v Speaker 2>Osbourne and Gene Simmons. As Nuke already gave us the plot.

227
00:13:58.200 --> 00:14:00.159
<v Speaker 2>When did you first see this movie, Paul.

228
00:14:00.840 --> 00:14:03.200
<v Speaker 3>As, I say, the guy, the young guy was tape

229
00:14:03.279 --> 00:14:06.440
<v Speaker 3>trading with me, so I would give him like kisses,

230
00:14:06.519 --> 00:14:09.440
<v Speaker 3>lick it up on cassette, and then the next day

231
00:14:09.480 --> 00:14:12.360
<v Speaker 3>he would come through with Trick or Treat by fast Away.

232
00:14:13.360 --> 00:14:15.960
<v Speaker 3>I took it home and I was like, what is this?

233
00:14:16.519 --> 00:14:18.919
<v Speaker 3>I love this? And then it must have been a

234
00:14:18.919 --> 00:14:22.759
<v Speaker 3>matter of weeks later that I just I saw it

235
00:14:23.000 --> 00:14:26.679
<v Speaker 3>Trick or Treat and on the video shelves there was

236
00:14:26.720 --> 00:14:29.600
<v Speaker 3>only one. I do remember that, you know, I used

237
00:14:29.639 --> 00:14:31.519
<v Speaker 3>to love it. When the new films are coming in,

238
00:14:31.600 --> 00:14:33.799
<v Speaker 3>there's a whole rack on top and you're like, oh wow,

239
00:14:33.879 --> 00:14:35.600
<v Speaker 3>this is the new movie that everyone loves, but this

240
00:14:35.600 --> 00:14:38.120
<v Speaker 3>one was like a shitty one at the bottom. So

241
00:14:38.159 --> 00:14:40.759
<v Speaker 3>I took it home. I still didn't piece it all together,

242
00:14:41.639 --> 00:14:43.559
<v Speaker 3>and when that music came out, I was like, Oh,

243
00:14:43.639 --> 00:14:45.639
<v Speaker 3>this is the album I've just fallen in love with.

244
00:14:45.960 --> 00:14:48.440
<v Speaker 3>And then it's about a metal head and it's about

245
00:14:48.440 --> 00:14:49.600
<v Speaker 3>a rock god and.

246
00:14:49.600 --> 00:14:53.000
<v Speaker 2>Geene Simmons is in it. Oh man, come on. I

247
00:14:53.039 --> 00:14:57.919
<v Speaker 2>loved it done this opening weekend. I yeah, this was

248
00:14:58.039 --> 00:15:01.399
<v Speaker 2>my prime horror a phase and my prime movie going phase,

249
00:15:01.440 --> 00:15:03.559
<v Speaker 2>so I was seeing everything that was out there, but

250
00:15:03.679 --> 00:15:06.320
<v Speaker 2>of course I'm gonna go see this. And interestingly, I

251
00:15:06.360 --> 00:15:08.440
<v Speaker 2>went to see this because of Charles Martin Smith, because

252
00:15:08.440 --> 00:15:11.200
<v Speaker 2>I loved him so much, and because of not necessarily

253
00:15:11.279 --> 00:15:12.759
<v Speaker 2>so much the mental thing, but just because of the

254
00:15:12.799 --> 00:15:16.759
<v Speaker 2>horror thing. And I was knee deep like everyone else

255
00:15:16.919 --> 00:15:19.159
<v Speaker 2>was at the time. In the slasher movies, we all

256
00:15:19.200 --> 00:15:21.039
<v Speaker 2>love blood and gore. So I think a lot of

257
00:15:21.080 --> 00:15:23.799
<v Speaker 2>people were let down by this movie because it's not

258
00:15:23.960 --> 00:15:25.919
<v Speaker 2>really a gory film at all, and I think that's

259
00:15:26.000 --> 00:15:30.039
<v Speaker 2>Charles Martin Smith probably working against that. But what was

260
00:15:30.120 --> 00:15:32.759
<v Speaker 2>your reaction as a horror fan? One of the best

261
00:15:32.799 --> 00:15:35.759
<v Speaker 2>horror fans out there. Were you ever at all disappointed

262
00:15:35.960 --> 00:15:39.320
<v Speaker 2>about with their approach to horror in this film? Never? Never.

263
00:15:40.039 --> 00:15:43.480
<v Speaker 3>The specific time that I watched it was hell Raiser

264
00:15:43.600 --> 00:15:47.279
<v Speaker 3>was brand new, so it was a year or so later,

265
00:15:47.600 --> 00:15:50.120
<v Speaker 3>and I remember looking at the effects on this and

266
00:15:50.159 --> 00:15:53.360
<v Speaker 3>I thought, Oh, they're a step up from the Hell Raiser.

267
00:15:53.480 --> 00:15:56.200
<v Speaker 3>Lightning effects that were going on in that I thought

268
00:15:56.279 --> 00:15:57.799
<v Speaker 3>they were a bit hammy. It was a bit I

269
00:15:57.799 --> 00:16:00.840
<v Speaker 3>didn't like of hell Raiser. And then I thought, oh,

270
00:16:00.879 --> 00:16:03.559
<v Speaker 3>they've improved it with Trick or Treat and I really

271
00:16:03.600 --> 00:16:05.600
<v Speaker 3>like those lightning effects that were going.

272
00:16:05.480 --> 00:16:07.159
<v Speaker 2>On, But the lack of gore and things.

273
00:16:07.240 --> 00:16:09.399
<v Speaker 3>When you're already into hell Raising and you've got that

274
00:16:09.600 --> 00:16:11.960
<v Speaker 3>scene where you know, Frank is coming out of the

275
00:16:12.000 --> 00:16:15.919
<v Speaker 3>floorboards and stuff like that, it's ultimate gore. This was

276
00:16:16.440 --> 00:16:20.240
<v Speaker 3>fifteen rather than an eighteen, for sure, But because of

277
00:16:20.360 --> 00:16:22.799
<v Speaker 3>I was already prepped by films like The Gate and

278
00:16:22.840 --> 00:16:26.759
<v Speaker 3>things like that, it just slipped right in. It became

279
00:16:26.919 --> 00:16:30.000
<v Speaker 3>a fast favorite, for sure, And I didn't care that

280
00:16:30.279 --> 00:16:34.279
<v Speaker 3>it wasn't blood and guts everywhere and sex everywhere. I

281
00:16:34.360 --> 00:16:37.159
<v Speaker 3>didn't care about that. It was just I wanted to

282
00:16:37.159 --> 00:16:38.600
<v Speaker 3>be entertained in it entertain me.

283
00:16:39.039 --> 00:16:41.919
<v Speaker 2>Now this film is playing off what was not an

284
00:16:41.919 --> 00:16:47.960
<v Speaker 2>inconsequential fear at the time, satan and Satanism. We all

285
00:16:48.039 --> 00:16:51.440
<v Speaker 2>call it now, we all call it rather amused, we

286
00:16:51.519 --> 00:16:55.639
<v Speaker 2>call it the Satanic panic. Ha ha ha. On that point, No,

287
00:16:57.600 --> 00:16:59.399
<v Speaker 2>there was a point in history where if you were

288
00:16:59.440 --> 00:17:01.519
<v Speaker 2>wearing a heavy mental T shirts, somebody could walk up

289
00:17:01.559 --> 00:17:03.879
<v Speaker 2>to you and call you a servant of Hell and

290
00:17:03.919 --> 00:17:09.359
<v Speaker 2>feel no guilt or a total clear conscience walking away,

291
00:17:09.559 --> 00:17:12.039
<v Speaker 2>And like the rest of society was cool with that.

292
00:17:12.480 --> 00:17:16.680
<v Speaker 2>Heavy metal and Satanism got interlinked very very quickly. Having

293
00:17:16.720 --> 00:17:20.920
<v Speaker 2>a band called Black Sabbath did not help. Let's face it, correct, correct,

294
00:17:21.240 --> 00:17:23.319
<v Speaker 2>And then by the time this movie comes out, the

295
00:17:23.359 --> 00:17:26.079
<v Speaker 2>fact that crew are shouting at the devil, now they're

296
00:17:26.160 --> 00:17:29.799
<v Speaker 2>courting it. And what I like about this movie go

297
00:17:29.799 --> 00:17:30.200
<v Speaker 2>go ahead.

298
00:17:30.680 --> 00:17:35.839
<v Speaker 3>You mentioned Streiper and they were the ultimate enemy. I

299
00:17:35.880 --> 00:17:40.599
<v Speaker 3>didn't know why, just like, these guys are nice. I

300
00:17:40.640 --> 00:17:42.920
<v Speaker 3>don't want my metal to be nice. And when you

301
00:17:42.960 --> 00:17:47.319
<v Speaker 3>see Sammy Kerhr and like there's that cutaway scene where

302
00:17:47.400 --> 00:17:50.279
<v Speaker 3>he's in the hotel with all the candles around him

303
00:17:50.319 --> 00:17:52.200
<v Speaker 3>and the things like that, and you just think, oh God,

304
00:17:52.279 --> 00:17:55.240
<v Speaker 3>that's evil. I love that, right, Yeah.

305
00:17:55.279 --> 00:17:56.880
<v Speaker 2>Man. A friend of mine and I were just talking

306
00:17:56.880 --> 00:17:59.559
<v Speaker 2>about it. My co host on many of my shows

307
00:17:59.599 --> 00:18:01.039
<v Speaker 2>is one of the best friends of all time, and

308
00:18:01.039 --> 00:18:02.839
<v Speaker 2>he's the one I used to watch this movie with

309
00:18:03.000 --> 00:18:05.160
<v Speaker 2>all the time. He is a bigger fan of this

310
00:18:05.240 --> 00:18:08.319
<v Speaker 2>movie than even I am. And we were commenting that, like,

311
00:18:08.400 --> 00:18:13.440
<v Speaker 2>that scene alone kind of elevates this film. That hallucinatory

312
00:18:14.039 --> 00:18:17.319
<v Speaker 2>look into how Sammy Kerr was actually dying after we

313
00:18:17.319 --> 00:18:19.519
<v Speaker 2>were told it was an accidental fire in a hotel.

314
00:18:21.759 --> 00:18:24.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, it automatically raised the film above. I

315
00:18:25.000 --> 00:18:26.759
<v Speaker 2>guess I'm answering my own question as far as my

316
00:18:26.799 --> 00:18:29.359
<v Speaker 2>expectation with Gore, because this movie was leaning in a

317
00:18:29.359 --> 00:18:32.720
<v Speaker 2>hole of the direction and it was more supernatural and

318
00:18:32.839 --> 00:18:34.759
<v Speaker 2>less knife to skull.

319
00:18:35.519 --> 00:18:37.599
<v Speaker 3>It's when you look at it on IMDb in a

320
00:18:37.599 --> 00:18:40.279
<v Speaker 3>couple of other places it says it's a comedy horror,

321
00:18:40.640 --> 00:18:44.079
<v Speaker 3>which I rare. I was like, I don't know where

322
00:18:44.079 --> 00:18:45.079
<v Speaker 3>the comedy.

323
00:18:44.640 --> 00:18:50.359
<v Speaker 2>In this, Yes you do. Roger vacuuming up the remains

324
00:18:50.599 --> 00:18:54.440
<v Speaker 2>of charred large Marge is fucking hilarious every single time

325
00:18:54.440 --> 00:18:54.880
<v Speaker 2>I see it.

326
00:18:55.319 --> 00:18:58.440
<v Speaker 3>But okay, So there is a couple of scenes the

327
00:18:58.480 --> 00:19:00.839
<v Speaker 3>initial when they pull the pants down and throw him

328
00:19:00.839 --> 00:19:05.519
<v Speaker 3>out as well, that's not funny, come on, but that

329
00:19:05.960 --> 00:19:10.119
<v Speaker 3>it's quite funny until it isn't funny until it would

330
00:19:10.200 --> 00:19:11.640
<v Speaker 3>ruin your whole life forevermore.

331
00:19:11.920 --> 00:19:14.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know what, You're right? Who's calling this a comedy?

332
00:19:14.359 --> 00:19:17.279
<v Speaker 2>This is in no way coming. This is more of

333
00:19:17.319 --> 00:19:19.920
<v Speaker 2>a drama with some supernatural shit going on it and

334
00:19:19.920 --> 00:19:21.079
<v Speaker 2>then an occasional laugh.

335
00:19:23.160 --> 00:19:25.680
<v Speaker 3>That that is trauma right there. That only the same

336
00:19:25.680 --> 00:19:27.759
<v Speaker 3>way that those pants are pulled down and you're you're

337
00:19:27.799 --> 00:19:30.240
<v Speaker 3>in and you're not just got your pants on, but

338
00:19:30.319 --> 00:19:33.839
<v Speaker 3>you're butt naked in front of like all the cool

339
00:19:34.000 --> 00:19:36.759
<v Speaker 3>chicks at school. That would be the worst thing for me.

340
00:19:37.200 --> 00:19:40.240
<v Speaker 3>Like the one time that I've been sort of attacked

341
00:19:40.279 --> 00:19:43.359
<v Speaker 3>in the street for being metal, I got spat on

342
00:19:43.880 --> 00:19:47.519
<v Speaker 3>by quite an elderly woman because I was wearing don't

343
00:19:47.519 --> 00:19:50.279
<v Speaker 3>ever you remember Axel Rose would wear this T shirt

344
00:19:50.440 --> 00:19:53.000
<v Speaker 3>that had Jesus on it and it said kill your idols.

345
00:19:53.240 --> 00:19:57.680
<v Speaker 2>Yes, so I wore that it got spa by an

346
00:19:57.680 --> 00:20:00.920
<v Speaker 2>old woman. Okay, you might not have commenting on your

347
00:20:01.000 --> 00:20:04.039
<v Speaker 2>choice in music there, Paul. It might might just have

348
00:20:04.039 --> 00:20:06.599
<v Speaker 2>been something else. I don't know, but I do remember

349
00:20:06.680 --> 00:20:09.519
<v Speaker 2>that sitting with me for a long time, just thinking, Ah,

350
00:20:09.599 --> 00:20:13.039
<v Speaker 2>I really upset that person, and I double checked myself

351
00:20:13.799 --> 00:20:16.359
<v Speaker 2>to do that to someone, to have them be in

352
00:20:17.039 --> 00:20:20.880
<v Speaker 2>like butt naked with all them girls, I would never

353
00:20:20.920 --> 00:20:21.359
<v Speaker 2>forget that.

354
00:20:21.519 --> 00:20:24.519
<v Speaker 3>I would still today go to bed crying. It would

355
00:20:24.519 --> 00:20:27.279
<v Speaker 3>be the worst. So yeah, it's not a comedy.

356
00:20:27.880 --> 00:20:32.599
<v Speaker 2>No, poor Ragman. Did you guys have the television sitcom

357
00:20:32.599 --> 00:20:35.960
<v Speaker 2>Family Ties in the UK? Not at all.

358
00:20:36.240 --> 00:20:36.559
<v Speaker 1>No.

359
00:20:37.160 --> 00:20:39.839
<v Speaker 2>Michael J. Fox starring series here before he got back

360
00:20:39.880 --> 00:20:42.000
<v Speaker 2>to the future. His best friend in that series was

361
00:20:42.039 --> 00:20:47.880
<v Speaker 2>it Goofy Dufus Dark named Skippy. Everyone here in America

362
00:20:47.920 --> 00:20:50.440
<v Speaker 2>knows Skippy. Skippy was played by Mark Price, who is

363
00:20:50.480 --> 00:20:55.640
<v Speaker 2>the star of this movie. It was a shock for

364
00:20:55.960 --> 00:20:59.680
<v Speaker 2>I think most Americans to take Skippy seriously as a metalhead,

365
00:20:59.720 --> 00:21:02.440
<v Speaker 2>because we've known him as such an hercle kind of

366
00:21:02.920 --> 00:21:03.839
<v Speaker 2>nerdy guy.

367
00:21:04.880 --> 00:21:10.000
<v Speaker 3>Interesting is interesting because I see him as nothing but

368
00:21:10.279 --> 00:21:11.440
<v Speaker 3>a metal head.

369
00:21:11.920 --> 00:21:17.640
<v Speaker 2>Wow, that's mad rewatching this movie just recently. Not only

370
00:21:17.680 --> 00:21:20.279
<v Speaker 2>his performance, I think across the board other than some

371
00:21:20.400 --> 00:21:22.880
<v Speaker 2>local hires. You can tell that you know wherever they

372
00:21:22.880 --> 00:21:26.000
<v Speaker 2>were shooting on location in Wilmington, North Carolina. They had

373
00:21:26.000 --> 00:21:28.480
<v Speaker 2>to you got to hire some locals, and there's only

374
00:21:28.519 --> 00:21:32.200
<v Speaker 2>so many talented people in Wilmington, but the main cast

375
00:21:32.359 --> 00:21:35.759
<v Speaker 2>are really, really solid, and I think it benefits from

376
00:21:35.759 --> 00:21:38.720
<v Speaker 2>having Charles Martin Smith, who is an actor, an actor's

377
00:21:38.759 --> 00:21:41.839
<v Speaker 2>actor as a matter of fact, directing these scenes because

378
00:21:42.599 --> 00:21:45.079
<v Speaker 2>I noticed, like Mark Price in particular, like there's a

379
00:21:45.160 --> 00:21:48.240
<v Speaker 2>lot of depth going on. He goes he the full

380
00:21:48.359 --> 00:21:50.960
<v Speaker 2>range of emotions here and it's all genuine and it's

381
00:21:51.000 --> 00:21:53.839
<v Speaker 2>all earned. And I think all the performances across the

382
00:21:53.839 --> 00:21:55.880
<v Speaker 2>border really good. What do you think of the his

383
00:21:55.960 --> 00:21:58.119
<v Speaker 2>performance in particular, but everyone in general.

384
00:21:58.680 --> 00:22:01.200
<v Speaker 3>The only tim I don't like he's performance is when

385
00:22:01.319 --> 00:22:06.839
<v Speaker 3>he does that that Christine thing, you know, where he's

386
00:22:06.920 --> 00:22:09.359
<v Speaker 3>like now got a little bit of call about him,

387
00:22:09.359 --> 00:22:11.799
<v Speaker 3>a bit of swagger, and then he leaves his best

388
00:22:11.839 --> 00:22:15.079
<v Speaker 3>friends and he goes off like acting really hard and

389
00:22:15.160 --> 00:22:17.440
<v Speaker 3>cool and smart. It's like, well, you're the same guy.

390
00:22:17.640 --> 00:22:20.680
<v Speaker 3>You've just won one little battle. You've not won the war, dude,

391
00:22:21.039 --> 00:22:23.839
<v Speaker 3>And I don't like that. And when it happens in Christine,

392
00:22:23.880 --> 00:22:27.640
<v Speaker 3>it goes so wild that I'm bored with it. But

393
00:22:27.680 --> 00:22:29.880
<v Speaker 3>with this guy, I like him. Don't treat your friends

394
00:22:29.920 --> 00:22:32.200
<v Speaker 3>like Dix, because they're your friends. So that's the only

395
00:22:32.279 --> 00:22:35.559
<v Speaker 3>time I'm like, but you know, he was told to

396
00:22:35.680 --> 00:22:36.319
<v Speaker 3>act like that.

397
00:22:36.480 --> 00:22:38.960
<v Speaker 2>So I think the only.

398
00:22:38.759 --> 00:22:41.799
<v Speaker 3>Person that knows what movie they're in is Ozzy Osbourne.

399
00:22:42.200 --> 00:22:43.839
<v Speaker 3>A lot of the time, I think they take it

400
00:22:43.880 --> 00:22:47.039
<v Speaker 3>really seriously, all this cast, and I really enjoy it

401
00:22:47.119 --> 00:22:47.720
<v Speaker 3>because of that.

402
00:22:48.240 --> 00:22:51.640
<v Speaker 2>Okay, you mentioned we've got let's talk both cameos actually,

403
00:22:51.680 --> 00:22:54.680
<v Speaker 2>because I guess that technical cameos from the heavy metal

404
00:22:54.680 --> 00:22:58.200
<v Speaker 2>world evidently offered the role of Sammy Kerr but turned

405
00:22:58.200 --> 00:23:02.240
<v Speaker 2>it down in order to portray a lifelong obsession of

406
00:23:02.279 --> 00:23:05.319
<v Speaker 2>his wealth. Man Jack tugging Geen and the Simmons the

407
00:23:05.359 --> 00:23:11.000
<v Speaker 2>demon himself playing DJ Nuke. Now you're a fan of

408
00:23:11.039 --> 00:23:14.160
<v Speaker 2>mister Simmons. I'm a fan of mister Simmons. Are you

409
00:23:14.240 --> 00:23:20.279
<v Speaker 2>a fan of his films? Runaway? Excellent?

410
00:23:21.400 --> 00:23:23.519
<v Speaker 3>I am a fan of the films, but I know

411
00:23:23.599 --> 00:23:27.000
<v Speaker 3>they're shit, but I am a fan of them. Like,

412
00:23:27.119 --> 00:23:30.079
<v Speaker 3>there's nothing that he's been in that I think, Oh man,

413
00:23:30.240 --> 00:23:32.000
<v Speaker 3>I'm not going to watch that because I will always

414
00:23:32.000 --> 00:23:37.640
<v Speaker 3>watch that. But he is the only person in this

415
00:23:37.680 --> 00:23:42.319
<v Speaker 3>film that I think is oh as a word. I

416
00:23:42.359 --> 00:23:45.880
<v Speaker 3>think he's the only sensible. He's the only likable character

417
00:23:45.920 --> 00:23:50.839
<v Speaker 3>in this movie. Everyone else it seems like bizarre and mad.

418
00:23:51.240 --> 00:23:54.200
<v Speaker 3>And although I think the writing's quite good for the

419
00:23:54.240 --> 00:23:57.079
<v Speaker 3>type of film that this is, to have him as

420
00:23:57.079 --> 00:23:59.880
<v Speaker 3>the grounded guy, Gene Simmons, that's weird.

421
00:24:00.039 --> 00:24:02.920
<v Speaker 2>It's a weird take, right, yeah, But that's what I

422
00:24:02.960 --> 00:24:06.440
<v Speaker 2>love about it. It puts you off kilter that the

423
00:24:06.519 --> 00:24:09.559
<v Speaker 2>craziest among us is the one speaking the truth and

424
00:24:09.599 --> 00:24:12.200
<v Speaker 2>telling everyone exactly what needs to happen so that nothing

425
00:24:12.240 --> 00:24:14.440
<v Speaker 2>bad happens, and then no one listens to him, and

426
00:24:14.480 --> 00:24:17.480
<v Speaker 2>everything bad happens. I like Gene Simmons quite a bit

427
00:24:17.519 --> 00:24:20.079
<v Speaker 2>as an actor, and I think that this is definitely

428
00:24:20.160 --> 00:24:23.920
<v Speaker 2>his best performance. He's in two scenes in this movie,

429
00:24:24.480 --> 00:24:27.319
<v Speaker 2>and I look forward to it every time, and I

430
00:24:27.359 --> 00:24:30.440
<v Speaker 2>miss him when he's gone. There's something. The relationship between

431
00:24:30.599 --> 00:24:36.839
<v Speaker 2>Ragman and Nuke is so tender and fatherly and mentor,

432
00:24:37.119 --> 00:24:41.519
<v Speaker 2>and you know, Nuke hung the title rag Man on

433
00:24:42.359 --> 00:24:43.200
<v Speaker 2>Eddie Weinbauer.

434
00:24:43.480 --> 00:24:47.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah right, yeah, definitely, And you're totally right. He is,

435
00:24:48.119 --> 00:24:52.319
<v Speaker 3>as I say, he's the grounded guy, but he I wouldn't.

436
00:24:52.720 --> 00:24:55.480
<v Speaker 3>He's the wrong word. But he just feels like the

437
00:24:55.519 --> 00:24:59.240
<v Speaker 3>pain that Ragman's going through. So he's gonna be that

438
00:24:59.319 --> 00:25:03.519
<v Speaker 3>guy that you can go to a fair from fatherly advice.

439
00:25:03.720 --> 00:25:06.160
<v Speaker 3>I would say that, like, you know, that's the person

440
00:25:06.160 --> 00:25:09.680
<v Speaker 3>that he looks up to. I just I'm gutted that

441
00:25:09.720 --> 00:25:11.839
<v Speaker 3>he's not in more scenes. I know with the Aussie one,

442
00:25:11.880 --> 00:25:15.440
<v Speaker 3>there was like like thirty to fifty minutes or something

443
00:25:15.480 --> 00:25:18.279
<v Speaker 3>that they left on the Cutton room floor. But with Jane,

444
00:25:18.680 --> 00:25:21.000
<v Speaker 3>I have no idea, and I would love for him

445
00:25:21.039 --> 00:25:23.200
<v Speaker 3>to come back towards the end or something, even if

446
00:25:23.200 --> 00:25:25.200
<v Speaker 3>it's just to be killed. I would have loved that.

447
00:25:25.319 --> 00:25:30.039
<v Speaker 2>But no, Yeah, the finale spoilers everybody. The finale does

448
00:25:30.079 --> 00:25:32.440
<v Speaker 2>take place at the radio stage, or parts of it

449
00:25:32.480 --> 00:25:35.079
<v Speaker 2>take place at the radio station where it's now automated,

450
00:25:35.480 --> 00:25:39.079
<v Speaker 2>and which I like. But you're right, like, why don't

451
00:25:39.119 --> 00:25:41.519
<v Speaker 2>we have Nuke in there trying to stop Sammy Kerr?

452
00:25:41.599 --> 00:25:44.640
<v Speaker 2>And not only that, Sammy Kerr and he evidently went

453
00:25:44.680 --> 00:25:47.160
<v Speaker 2>to high school together. They have history. He's talking from

454
00:25:47.160 --> 00:25:51.000
<v Speaker 2>experience when he's telling Eddie exactly how Sammy was and

455
00:25:51.400 --> 00:25:54.480
<v Speaker 2>is and used to be. Now, yeah, I wish I

456
00:25:54.519 --> 00:25:55.200
<v Speaker 2>had that box set.

457
00:25:55.240 --> 00:25:59.000
<v Speaker 3>There's just come out, like maybe the extras reveal it.

458
00:25:59.000 --> 00:26:02.039
<v Speaker 3>It's such a I imagine I had him for a

459
00:26:02.160 --> 00:26:05.119
<v Speaker 3>day if that, and it was just like, right, you've

460
00:26:05.200 --> 00:26:08.200
<v Speaker 3>nailed those two scenes, but maybe nothing else was written.

461
00:26:08.279 --> 00:26:08.720
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

462
00:26:08.759 --> 00:26:12.039
<v Speaker 3>It just seems mad opportunity that he didn't ad lib

463
00:26:12.119 --> 00:26:13.200
<v Speaker 3>something or do something.

464
00:26:13.240 --> 00:26:16.400
<v Speaker 2>It's crazy. Yeah, I guarantee you. Part of his decision

465
00:26:16.400 --> 00:26:19.599
<v Speaker 2>to not play Sammy Kerr was the amount of days

466
00:26:19.640 --> 00:26:22.119
<v Speaker 2>he would have to spend in North Carolina. I'll come

467
00:26:22.160 --> 00:26:25.160
<v Speaker 2>down for a day or two. Sure, I'm not going

468
00:26:25.160 --> 00:26:27.720
<v Speaker 2>to put on the makeup and have electricity and fall

469
00:26:27.799 --> 00:26:29.839
<v Speaker 2>off a trap. He is. No, that's not going to

470
00:26:29.880 --> 00:26:33.440
<v Speaker 2>be me. He would have been an awful Sammy Kerr,

471
00:26:33.519 --> 00:26:37.359
<v Speaker 2>the worst, the worst. He is not that kind of metal.

472
00:26:39.400 --> 00:26:43.720
<v Speaker 2>He's theatrical, but he's not dancy theatrical. Tell me what

473
00:26:43.799 --> 00:26:48.160
<v Speaker 2>you think about Ossie in this. I love Ozzy in this? Yeah,

474
00:26:48.319 --> 00:26:50.400
<v Speaker 2>I do excellent. I think it's fun.

475
00:26:51.599 --> 00:26:54.519
<v Speaker 3>I don't know when his speech started to go really

476
00:26:54.880 --> 00:26:58.920
<v Speaker 3>mad slurry, because here he is totally focused, even though

477
00:26:58.960 --> 00:27:02.839
<v Speaker 3>we the cuts are no more than like ten seconds

478
00:27:02.920 --> 00:27:05.640
<v Speaker 3>or so with him, but he can still string sentences

479
00:27:05.680 --> 00:27:08.640
<v Speaker 3>together no problem at all. He's got that character down

480
00:27:09.000 --> 00:27:12.720
<v Speaker 3>and he's funny with it. You I know, as I say,

481
00:27:12.920 --> 00:27:16.799
<v Speaker 3>he knows what movie he's in and like that when

482
00:27:16.839 --> 00:27:20.440
<v Speaker 3>I was growing up with like looking at Fangoria or whatever,

483
00:27:20.519 --> 00:27:22.759
<v Speaker 3>just to try and like, what is there a line

484
00:27:22.759 --> 00:27:25.400
<v Speaker 3>about this film in that you know he mentioned in

485
00:27:25.400 --> 00:27:27.799
<v Speaker 3>an interview like yeah, there was loads of extra footage.

486
00:27:27.799 --> 00:27:29.759
<v Speaker 3>They only used like a little bit, and I was

487
00:27:29.799 --> 00:27:32.039
<v Speaker 3>just like, wow, what else did you give them?

488
00:27:32.279 --> 00:27:34.119
<v Speaker 2>I'd love to see that. I hope it's on that

489
00:27:34.160 --> 00:27:36.359
<v Speaker 2>box out, I really do. I don't. I have not

490
00:27:36.480 --> 00:27:38.440
<v Speaker 2>seen this, bike said I will seek it out. I

491
00:27:38.440 --> 00:27:40.920
<v Speaker 2>watched a Blu ray of this and the title of

492
00:27:40.960 --> 00:27:44.079
<v Speaker 2>the film that I saw was ragman ah.

493
00:27:43.799 --> 00:27:46.440
<v Speaker 3>That and mine. Yeah, so I need a new copy

494
00:27:46.480 --> 00:27:48.759
<v Speaker 3>of this, like I got mine from Europe.

495
00:27:49.079 --> 00:27:51.359
<v Speaker 2>Not only that, every twenty minutes or so, there's a

496
00:27:51.400 --> 00:27:53.759
<v Speaker 2>couple of cute darts that show up. I'm sure you know,

497
00:27:53.839 --> 00:27:55.839
<v Speaker 2>cute dants from the other films something in the top

498
00:27:55.839 --> 00:27:58.240
<v Speaker 2>of Everyone knows them. Everyone knows them as listen, I

499
00:27:58.319 --> 00:28:01.279
<v Speaker 2>was a projectionist twenty or so. Yeah, people like to

500
00:28:01.359 --> 00:28:04.839
<v Speaker 2>call them cigarette burns. And let me tell you, nobody

501
00:28:04.880 --> 00:28:07.119
<v Speaker 2>calls them cigarette burns. No one in the industry ever

502
00:28:07.160 --> 00:28:09.240
<v Speaker 2>called them cigarette burns. We just called them ques or

503
00:28:09.319 --> 00:28:11.640
<v Speaker 2>Q dots. It's a romantic way of saying it. But

504
00:28:11.799 --> 00:28:15.519
<v Speaker 2>it's for people who were projectionists for one semester in college.

505
00:28:15.799 --> 00:28:18.039
<v Speaker 2>Like they they've walked away with the No, those are

506
00:28:18.039 --> 00:28:19.759
<v Speaker 2>ones called cigarette burns. No they're not.

507
00:28:19.839 --> 00:28:23.279
<v Speaker 3>Anyway, I want to call them cigarette burns.

508
00:28:23.319 --> 00:28:25.839
<v Speaker 2>Say yeah, I know, because it's cool, but loo come on,

509
00:28:26.119 --> 00:28:28.359
<v Speaker 2>gonna be realistic. We're gonna say cigarette burns. Are you

510
00:28:28.359 --> 00:28:31.519
<v Speaker 2>telling me you weren't putting cigarettes? Just get it just

511
00:28:31.640 --> 00:28:33.160
<v Speaker 2>right so the next book guy that comes on and

512
00:28:33.160 --> 00:28:35.279
<v Speaker 2>knows when to come on? Cool? You were? I never

513
00:28:35.359 --> 00:28:40.359
<v Speaker 2>did that. I used silver tape along the edge. Anyway,

514
00:28:40.480 --> 00:28:42.880
<v Speaker 2>where are we here? Oh my god, tricker? We are

515
00:28:42.920 --> 00:28:48.759
<v Speaker 2>trick or treating. Glenn Morgan, the ghostwriter of this film,

516
00:28:48.920 --> 00:28:53.759
<v Speaker 2>plays Roger in this film. Who's Roger? Roger Eddie Bower

517
00:28:54.240 --> 00:28:56.559
<v Speaker 2>Eddie Weinbouer's best friend is played by Glenn Morgan.

518
00:28:56.640 --> 00:29:01.920
<v Speaker 3>The oh this film, I just correct the straight and

519
00:29:02.039 --> 00:29:07.200
<v Speaker 3>sensible mate. Yeah, yeah, he's pretty cool and like that

520
00:29:07.880 --> 00:29:10.519
<v Speaker 3>their friendship. I wish I'd gone a bit more into it.

521
00:29:10.519 --> 00:29:12.680
<v Speaker 3>I wish we'd gone around his house. It very much

522
00:29:12.720 --> 00:29:15.359
<v Speaker 3>reminds me of the Gate, and I loved in the

523
00:29:15.400 --> 00:29:18.240
<v Speaker 3>Gate where you would go around to each bedroom, you know,

524
00:29:18.319 --> 00:29:20.200
<v Speaker 3>and like they'd be talking to each other like friends

525
00:29:20.200 --> 00:29:22.160
<v Speaker 3>were at that time. It doesn't matter how far you've

526
00:29:22.160 --> 00:29:23.480
<v Speaker 3>got to walk to see your friend, you're going to

527
00:29:23.519 --> 00:29:25.880
<v Speaker 3>do it, you know, and you're going to be looking

528
00:29:25.920 --> 00:29:28.160
<v Speaker 3>at record covers and things like that. Missedter trick there.

529
00:29:28.480 --> 00:29:30.839
<v Speaker 3>I guess that the writing and everything was already done.

530
00:29:30.880 --> 00:29:32.880
<v Speaker 3>Everything had to be tight. But I would have loved

531
00:29:32.920 --> 00:29:35.240
<v Speaker 3>a little bit more between them two because they'd suit

532
00:29:35.279 --> 00:29:38.680
<v Speaker 3>each other. We've got one that's like the a metal kid.

533
00:29:38.720 --> 00:29:44.359
<v Speaker 3>It's like, yeah, yeah, rocks, you know whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

534
00:29:44.480 --> 00:29:47.279
<v Speaker 3>I really liked their their friendship. I didn't know that

535
00:29:47.319 --> 00:29:48.880
<v Speaker 3>at all. That's great news. Yeah, great.

536
00:29:49.319 --> 00:29:51.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Evidently the actor that they had lined up dropped

537
00:29:51.960 --> 00:29:53.759
<v Speaker 2>out at the last second and they were on set,

538
00:29:53.839 --> 00:29:56.960
<v Speaker 2>so they're like you you'll work. And about the writting,

539
00:29:57.000 --> 00:29:59.759
<v Speaker 2>I agree. I wanted more of all of these characters,

540
00:30:00.160 --> 00:30:02.400
<v Speaker 2>more of all of these relationships. This is a ninety

541
00:30:02.400 --> 00:30:05.480
<v Speaker 2>minute film and it's pretty fleet footed at that, and

542
00:30:05.559 --> 00:30:09.000
<v Speaker 2>they tell a lot of story here, but we could

543
00:30:09.000 --> 00:30:11.039
<v Speaker 2>have had a breath here in there for Eddie and

544
00:30:11.039 --> 00:30:13.319
<v Speaker 2>his best friend get to know Eddie a little bit

545
00:30:13.359 --> 00:30:15.680
<v Speaker 2>more than just as the tortured person that they keep

546
00:30:15.759 --> 00:30:20.880
<v Speaker 2>fucking heaping horrible events upon in the form of Blonde

547
00:30:21.240 --> 00:30:26.359
<v Speaker 2>Blow Drag. Doug Savant, even.

548
00:30:26.119 --> 00:30:29.359
<v Speaker 3>In your synopsis of the film, you mentioned, like the

549
00:30:29.440 --> 00:30:34.640
<v Speaker 3>scene with their metal work, Yeah, crush, and like, I

550
00:30:34.759 --> 00:30:37.000
<v Speaker 3>was always a dream of mine, not to metal work

551
00:30:37.079 --> 00:30:40.279
<v Speaker 3>someone to death that bullied me, but just to get

552
00:30:40.319 --> 00:30:43.720
<v Speaker 3>my own back, to win one battle against the bully.

553
00:30:44.200 --> 00:30:47.880
<v Speaker 3>I love that, And yeah, you get that fantasy fulfilled here.

554
00:30:47.960 --> 00:30:50.839
<v Speaker 3>As I say, his reaction about it was a bit much,

555
00:30:51.319 --> 00:30:54.559
<v Speaker 3>but like still to get that one up finally, and

556
00:30:54.799 --> 00:30:59.839
<v Speaker 3>how choreographed was his like escape, it was wonderful.

557
00:31:01.119 --> 00:31:03.599
<v Speaker 2>Put the mop here, go around the corner here, put

558
00:31:03.599 --> 00:31:05.720
<v Speaker 2>a chair here, walk down here, make sure they're going

559
00:31:05.759 --> 00:31:08.960
<v Speaker 2>to be carrying out tables now here go That's correct,

560
00:31:10.160 --> 00:31:12.640
<v Speaker 2>And you know what that points to, Not only did

561
00:31:12.640 --> 00:31:15.839
<v Speaker 2>I want more of the Eddie and Roger friendship. I

562
00:31:15.880 --> 00:31:19.920
<v Speaker 2>really wanted more of the Eddie Sammy friendship. That's pretty

563
00:31:19.920 --> 00:31:24.240
<v Speaker 2>elating that he orchestrates that for Eddie and Eddie feels

564
00:31:24.279 --> 00:31:26.160
<v Speaker 2>that and there might have been more of that. The

565
00:31:26.200 --> 00:31:31.519
<v Speaker 2>scene where Eddie has started doing the back masking and

566
00:31:31.599 --> 00:31:34.759
<v Speaker 2>realize it's effectively a telephone or a radio at this point,

567
00:31:34.839 --> 00:31:37.519
<v Speaker 2>like he can ask questions and he'll get direct answers,

568
00:31:37.839 --> 00:31:43.079
<v Speaker 2>Like that's he's that's such a delightful scene, Like it's exciting,

569
00:31:43.319 --> 00:31:47.039
<v Speaker 2>and I wanted more of that, Like maybe like he

570
00:31:47.640 --> 00:31:51.279
<v Speaker 2>worms his way into into turning Eddie Winebower evil.

571
00:31:51.319 --> 00:31:54.640
<v Speaker 3>You know, I think though, it's because we've seen it

572
00:31:54.680 --> 00:31:58.720
<v Speaker 3>so many times. This film is so rewatchable that you

573
00:31:58.920 --> 00:32:01.599
<v Speaker 3>want that you'll favorite bits of which there will be

574
00:32:01.720 --> 00:32:04.279
<v Speaker 3>loads if you're into this film, just to be extended,

575
00:32:04.319 --> 00:32:07.279
<v Speaker 3>to see what happened next, and to expand on those

576
00:32:07.359 --> 00:32:10.519
<v Speaker 3>characters that you already love. It's not like a regular

577
00:32:10.559 --> 00:32:14.079
<v Speaker 3>sort of slasher that you know isn't a one and

578
00:32:14.119 --> 00:32:16.799
<v Speaker 3>done you'll go and watch like Maniac again or whatever,

579
00:32:17.119 --> 00:32:20.640
<v Speaker 3>but you want to. I know, I feel like friends

580
00:32:20.640 --> 00:32:22.640
<v Speaker 3>with a lot of these characters. I feel like I

581
00:32:22.720 --> 00:32:25.599
<v Speaker 3>know them, And yeah, I just I think you're right.

582
00:32:25.680 --> 00:32:30.119
<v Speaker 3>Like imagine like just one night of them sitting down chatting,

583
00:32:30.240 --> 00:32:32.440
<v Speaker 3>and so you get that bond. And then when that

584
00:32:32.480 --> 00:32:36.039
<v Speaker 3>bond is destroyed Sammy Kurz ruined that friendship, then we

585
00:32:36.079 --> 00:32:38.599
<v Speaker 3>can see maybe, like the way he got back on

586
00:32:38.640 --> 00:32:40.920
<v Speaker 3>the Bullies, maybe he can get back on Sammy like that.

587
00:32:41.039 --> 00:32:44.000
<v Speaker 3>You know that that would have been cool. I think

588
00:32:44.720 --> 00:32:48.400
<v Speaker 3>you have to be loyal to your heroes. Wow, yeah

589
00:32:48.440 --> 00:32:50.559
<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't. I don't know how I would conjure up

590
00:32:50.640 --> 00:32:52.640
<v Speaker 3>K Cobain. I don't know what I need to do

591
00:32:52.680 --> 00:32:55.160
<v Speaker 3>with a needle or whatever, but yeah, I don't.

592
00:32:55.839 --> 00:32:58.720
<v Speaker 2>I'm quite happy where I am. I think, yeah, for sure,

593
00:32:59.200 --> 00:33:03.200
<v Speaker 2>some sort of some sort of wacky oversized sunglasses. That's

594
00:33:03.240 --> 00:33:07.039
<v Speaker 2>the first step in and everybody knows that, come on there, So.

595
00:33:07.119 --> 00:33:08.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that'll do it. I'll wear them back to front.

596
00:33:09.680 --> 00:33:12.920
<v Speaker 3>Maybe he is right in front of me. I saw

597
00:33:13.599 --> 00:33:16.960
<v Speaker 3>Nirvana and it was one of the highlights of my

598
00:33:17.079 --> 00:33:21.359
<v Speaker 3>musical life ever, and I'll never forget it. And it

599
00:33:21.480 --> 00:33:25.960
<v Speaker 3>was that moment like Ragman gets here where you know

600
00:33:26.680 --> 00:33:29.039
<v Speaker 3>you've got your idol right in front of you and

601
00:33:29.079 --> 00:33:32.400
<v Speaker 3>there's nothing nothing like it, nothing feels like it. It's

602
00:33:32.480 --> 00:33:35.440
<v Speaker 3>like that poster on his ceiling, you know, right at

603
00:33:35.440 --> 00:33:38.640
<v Speaker 3>the top of his wall with Sammy Kerr there, like

604
00:33:38.880 --> 00:33:41.519
<v Speaker 3>we've been there when we see our idols. It's just like, Wow,

605
00:33:41.599 --> 00:33:45.920
<v Speaker 3>that's that person. That's amazing. Yeah, I get like all

606
00:33:45.960 --> 00:33:47.200
<v Speaker 3>his feels in this, I really do.

607
00:33:47.359 --> 00:33:49.720
<v Speaker 2>A few years ago, I was a tour guide and

608
00:33:49.799 --> 00:33:53.759
<v Speaker 2>a hunted attraction here in Las Vegas, a haunted museum perhaps,

609
00:33:54.240 --> 00:33:57.839
<v Speaker 2>And I noticed on one tour I was conducting, we

610
00:33:57.880 --> 00:34:00.480
<v Speaker 2>would have groups of about eight to ten people that

611
00:34:01.119 --> 00:34:05.319
<v Speaker 2>standing in the back was this diminutive, bespectacled, balding gentleman

612
00:34:05.960 --> 00:34:09.599
<v Speaker 2>who was most definitely Charles Martin Smith. And there comes

613
00:34:09.639 --> 00:34:13.480
<v Speaker 2>a point in the tour where you've introduced the group

614
00:34:13.559 --> 00:34:16.079
<v Speaker 2>to a room of artifacts, and you give them a

615
00:34:16.119 --> 00:34:18.639
<v Speaker 2>brief history of things, and then step back and let

616
00:34:18.639 --> 00:34:22.800
<v Speaker 2>them examine. And I did, and he was examining something

617
00:34:22.800 --> 00:34:25.760
<v Speaker 2>and I be lined right the fuck over and I said,

618
00:34:25.840 --> 00:34:29.679
<v Speaker 2>you're Charles Martin Smith, aren't you? And he said yeah yeah,

619
00:34:29.719 --> 00:34:32.679
<v Speaker 2>And I said, I love you first of all Terry

620
00:34:32.719 --> 00:34:37.960
<v Speaker 2>the Toad and Starman and any litany of roles, and

621
00:34:38.000 --> 00:34:40.400
<v Speaker 2>I said, and of course trick or treat, and which

622
00:34:40.440 --> 00:34:42.639
<v Speaker 2>made him laugh because he's like, there's always one of you.

623
00:34:45.719 --> 00:34:48.400
<v Speaker 2>And then just on a personal note, I'm father alone.

624
00:34:48.440 --> 00:34:52.760
<v Speaker 2>But that's not my actual surname. That's Wallace. Yeah, that's

625
00:34:52.880 --> 00:34:56.079
<v Speaker 2>it's Wallace. And he portrayed a character of Oscar Wallace

626
00:34:56.119 --> 00:34:57.719
<v Speaker 2>in The Untouchables, And as I said, he's the one

627
00:34:57.719 --> 00:35:00.000
<v Speaker 2>who actually brings down al Capone, and he's the one

628
00:35:00.039 --> 00:35:03.239
<v Speaker 2>who dies tragically in the effort to do so. And

629
00:35:03.480 --> 00:35:06.079
<v Speaker 2>so I was able to tell Charles Martin Smith that,

630
00:35:06.159 --> 00:35:09.920
<v Speaker 2>like thirteen year old me, beamed with pride, and I

631
00:35:10.000 --> 00:35:12.840
<v Speaker 2>forever accepted Charles Martin Smith as a member of my

632
00:35:13.000 --> 00:35:15.119
<v Speaker 2>family band them.

633
00:35:15.440 --> 00:35:17.760
<v Speaker 3>Do you think the thing is he would have left

634
00:35:17.960 --> 00:35:22.280
<v Speaker 3>and gone that was cool? You know that he would

635
00:35:22.320 --> 00:35:23.000
<v Speaker 3>have remembered that.

636
00:35:23.599 --> 00:35:26.360
<v Speaker 2>Now what if he had said, let's kill your enemies?

637
00:35:26.840 --> 00:35:28.400
<v Speaker 2>I would have been on board that.

638
00:35:28.599 --> 00:35:31.719
<v Speaker 3>That's the moment when you think, oh, I'm not such

639
00:35:31.719 --> 00:35:34.519
<v Speaker 3>a fan anymore, not unless you're in this film, in

640
00:35:34.559 --> 00:35:37.440
<v Speaker 3>which case, yeah, let's let's do it. And there is

641
00:35:37.840 --> 00:35:40.280
<v Speaker 3>the thing with this there is that point. There is

642
00:35:40.320 --> 00:35:42.639
<v Speaker 3>a snapping point where he knows he's gone too far.

643
00:35:43.239 --> 00:35:49.679
<v Speaker 3>And I thought conjuring up a dead rock star would

644
00:35:49.719 --> 00:35:52.320
<v Speaker 3>have been a turning point. But no, no, that's not it.

645
00:35:52.599 --> 00:35:56.360
<v Speaker 3>That's that's nothing. Everyone's doing that. Everyone's backwards masking.

646
00:35:56.800 --> 00:35:57.039
<v Speaker 2>Right.

647
00:35:58.079 --> 00:36:02.679
<v Speaker 3>I've tried after watching this film, and I think I

648
00:36:02.840 --> 00:36:04.599
<v Speaker 3>do it in the gate, don't they as well?

649
00:36:05.440 --> 00:36:07.199
<v Speaker 2>Oh? Yeah?

650
00:36:07.239 --> 00:36:11.280
<v Speaker 3>And more recently, oh my god, the rob Zombie one

651
00:36:11.400 --> 00:36:15.360
<v Speaker 3>with the record, Yeah, yeah, they don't backward mass up,

652
00:36:15.400 --> 00:36:18.280
<v Speaker 3>but it sounds just like it in places it's going forward.

653
00:36:18.440 --> 00:36:21.000
<v Speaker 3>But that sort of thing in a horror movie is amazing,

654
00:36:21.079 --> 00:36:24.559
<v Speaker 3>and I would like ruin my records whenever Judas Priest

655
00:36:24.679 --> 00:36:26.719
<v Speaker 3>or whoever. It was like, you know, when it went

656
00:36:26.760 --> 00:36:29.920
<v Speaker 3>to court the States. So when I got wind of that,

657
00:36:30.239 --> 00:36:32.280
<v Speaker 3>had that record right, and I was trying to what

658
00:36:32.400 --> 00:36:35.920
<v Speaker 3>can you hear? Like, what was it? Kill them, kill

659
00:36:36.000 --> 00:36:38.559
<v Speaker 3>him something like that? I had nothing, What are you

660
00:36:38.679 --> 00:36:43.159
<v Speaker 3>talking about? Sorry to go off there.

661
00:36:43.880 --> 00:36:46.719
<v Speaker 2>That's fine, you know. The only one I ever really

662
00:36:47.480 --> 00:36:49.519
<v Speaker 2>heard with my own airs and went that could be

663
00:36:49.599 --> 00:36:54.440
<v Speaker 2>something was the famous Zeppelin for Stairway to Heaven backwards

664
00:36:54.960 --> 00:36:59.079
<v Speaker 2>my Sweet Satan. But I it's actually him if he's

665
00:36:59.119 --> 00:37:02.559
<v Speaker 2>from the South, because like mass Sweet Sitan like that,

666
00:37:02.639 --> 00:37:04.519
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, well, is he actually saying same? Did they

667
00:37:04.519 --> 00:37:07.079
<v Speaker 2>put that in there? Really? Anyway, it was a great

668
00:37:07.159 --> 00:37:08.920
<v Speaker 2>fear at the time. I love that movie that we're

669
00:37:08.920 --> 00:37:11.480
<v Speaker 2>playing on it, and I was making this point earlier,

670
00:37:11.679 --> 00:37:14.199
<v Speaker 2>like another thing I love about this movie the fact

671
00:37:14.239 --> 00:37:17.360
<v Speaker 2>that everyone was so freaked out about heavy metal and

672
00:37:17.400 --> 00:37:21.840
<v Speaker 2>Satanism and here's a movie going yep, it's all true

673
00:37:23.159 --> 00:37:23.719
<v Speaker 2>and here's the thing.

674
00:37:23.800 --> 00:37:29.599
<v Speaker 3>This doesn't glorify metal and the metal kid is being

675
00:37:29.679 --> 00:37:33.840
<v Speaker 3>bullied and has got a shitty life. The rock star

676
00:37:34.719 --> 00:37:38.880
<v Speaker 3>is killing everyone like you know, it's it's actually what

677
00:37:38.920 --> 00:37:41.519
<v Speaker 3>they're warning you about this. Sami Curve is this person,

678
00:37:41.880 --> 00:37:44.480
<v Speaker 3>Like the time we actually get to see him when

679
00:37:44.519 --> 00:37:46.400
<v Speaker 3>he was alive and on stage. I think it's through

680
00:37:46.440 --> 00:37:49.519
<v Speaker 3>a TV. But he's cutting open a live snake and

681
00:37:49.599 --> 00:37:52.360
<v Speaker 3>pouring the blood in his mouth. So what this is

682
00:37:52.519 --> 00:37:55.360
<v Speaker 3>beyond Motley Cruze Sunshine, what you're doing?

683
00:37:56.159 --> 00:37:59.599
<v Speaker 2>You know? I love that moment where it's like just

684
00:37:59.639 --> 00:38:02.719
<v Speaker 2>a lot news broadcast and they show him bite through

685
00:38:02.719 --> 00:38:05.760
<v Speaker 2>a snake and then pour its blood into his mouth

686
00:38:05.800 --> 00:38:08.440
<v Speaker 2>and then like revel in that blood. I'm like, are

687
00:38:08.440 --> 00:38:11.360
<v Speaker 2>they really showing this at out? Yeah?

688
00:38:11.400 --> 00:38:13.119
<v Speaker 3>And I want to know how that was done because

689
00:38:13.159 --> 00:38:16.360
<v Speaker 3>it looked great. Oh, it did look great. I think

690
00:38:16.480 --> 00:38:21.719
<v Speaker 3>Sammy Kerr is not portrayed as like he is a

691
00:38:21.800 --> 00:38:25.000
<v Speaker 3>own model. I think the only person that you could

692
00:38:25.360 --> 00:38:27.960
<v Speaker 3>say gets away with it again, Gene Simmons is just

693
00:38:28.039 --> 00:38:30.639
<v Speaker 3>like a totally well adjusted person in this.

694
00:38:31.880 --> 00:38:34.760
<v Speaker 2>I do think it's funny, however, that he's on the

695
00:38:34.800 --> 00:38:37.679
<v Speaker 2>one hand, he's like Eddie, this is just a guy.

696
00:38:37.920 --> 00:38:40.000
<v Speaker 2>He's not a god. And he went to this high school.

697
00:38:40.000 --> 00:38:41.800
<v Speaker 2>If you don't put him up so high that you're

698
00:38:41.800 --> 00:38:44.400
<v Speaker 2>going to hurt yourself now that he's gone, and then

699
00:38:44.760 --> 00:38:47.679
<v Speaker 2>gives him the ascetate and goes, he's in here, you know,

700
00:38:48.559 --> 00:38:52.360
<v Speaker 2>come on mixed messages, nuke, you're nuking his brain.

701
00:38:53.239 --> 00:38:56.480
<v Speaker 3>Also, like this rock star that even makes it onto

702
00:38:56.519 --> 00:39:01.679
<v Speaker 3>your local network news broadcast, and you've got the one copy,

703
00:39:01.960 --> 00:39:04.679
<v Speaker 3>the one copy, and you give it to this guy,

704
00:39:04.880 --> 00:39:08.960
<v Speaker 3>and like I would have cried, my oh, thank you

705
00:39:09.039 --> 00:39:13.159
<v Speaker 3>for this unreleased Nirvana like album that's got one copy.

706
00:39:13.159 --> 00:39:16.199
<v Speaker 3>I'll look after it. No, I would have cried or

707
00:39:16.199 --> 00:39:18.639
<v Speaker 3>would have hugged. But he just said, oh man, thanks,

708
00:39:18.679 --> 00:39:21.199
<v Speaker 3>thanks very much, cheers, you know, off he goes.

709
00:39:21.400 --> 00:39:23.119
<v Speaker 2>I was like, what is that all you're getting? You've

710
00:39:23.159 --> 00:39:27.119
<v Speaker 2>just given him something that's priceless. Well, no one deserved

711
00:39:27.119 --> 00:39:30.800
<v Speaker 2>it more than Ragman. Obviously you knew Ragman would take

712
00:39:30.800 --> 00:39:33.239
<v Speaker 2>care of that album until he didn't.

713
00:39:34.519 --> 00:39:38.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, until he didn't. You mentioned what can happen with

714
00:39:38.320 --> 00:39:42.480
<v Speaker 3>regards to like the hoovering up moment and things like that,

715
00:39:43.000 --> 00:39:47.000
<v Speaker 3>or when it got supernatural when Sammy Kerr is like

716
00:39:47.159 --> 00:39:51.079
<v Speaker 3>pulling people out the TV or swiping with his hand

717
00:39:51.119 --> 00:39:53.360
<v Speaker 3>on the TV. I think it's Ossie gets swept away

718
00:39:54.239 --> 00:39:57.920
<v Speaker 3>like that. Those effects me as a kid watching this

719
00:39:58.000 --> 00:40:02.000
<v Speaker 3>stuff like you in a cinema, this stuff like you mentioned,

720
00:40:02.360 --> 00:40:04.559
<v Speaker 3>like the gorl and stuff, but that when you get

721
00:40:04.559 --> 00:40:07.960
<v Speaker 3>that sort of cool effect, I'm totally game and in

722
00:40:08.039 --> 00:40:11.239
<v Speaker 3>trance and still today I'm like, wow, the way they

723
00:40:11.320 --> 00:40:16.639
<v Speaker 3>must have done that, Like I'm so impressed still today.

724
00:40:17.119 --> 00:40:19.159
<v Speaker 2>Most of the visual effects were seeing on screen I

725
00:40:19.159 --> 00:40:22.559
<v Speaker 2>think was dream Quest Images and they were pioneers in

726
00:40:22.719 --> 00:40:26.239
<v Speaker 2>digital imaging, which is why like when Sammy Kerr disappears,

727
00:40:26.280 --> 00:40:28.880
<v Speaker 2>he wipes off the screen like almost as if his

728
00:40:28.920 --> 00:40:30.920
<v Speaker 2>image is peeled away from the rest of the image,

729
00:40:30.920 --> 00:40:32.760
<v Speaker 2>but you can see him super imposed and that he's

730
00:40:32.760 --> 00:40:35.159
<v Speaker 2>gonna pull away in those moments if you're looking, which

731
00:40:35.159 --> 00:40:39.239
<v Speaker 2>I am, of course. But the effects overall, I just love,

732
00:40:39.400 --> 00:40:43.400
<v Speaker 2>particularly the makeup effects. Kevin Yeger are here doing the makeup.

733
00:40:43.480 --> 00:40:45.760
<v Speaker 2>Kevin Yeger who did the cript Keeper as a matter

734
00:40:45.760 --> 00:40:48.519
<v Speaker 2>of fact, for the Tales from the Crypt television series,

735
00:40:49.079 --> 00:40:51.239
<v Speaker 2>so he did the makeup on Kerr and he did

736
00:40:51.320 --> 00:40:55.239
<v Speaker 2>the Rape Demon. We haven't mentioned the Rape Demon sequence.

737
00:40:55.800 --> 00:40:59.679
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, that I forget about that every time, and

738
00:40:59.679 --> 00:41:03.239
<v Speaker 3>when it happens, oh.

739
00:41:02.199 --> 00:41:05.480
<v Speaker 2>Every time, I never remember it either, because we both

740
00:41:05.559 --> 00:41:08.000
<v Speaker 2>love this movie and we know that scene doesn't have

741
00:41:08.079 --> 00:41:11.360
<v Speaker 2>any place in it. It doesn't make sense.

742
00:41:11.400 --> 00:41:14.400
<v Speaker 3>But I guess when you've learned a new effect, you

743
00:41:14.440 --> 00:41:18.159
<v Speaker 3>know you're doing a horror picture, like why not?

744
00:41:18.599 --> 00:41:22.159
<v Speaker 2>Why not? And again, it doesn't hurt the film. It doesn't.

745
00:41:22.199 --> 00:41:24.400
<v Speaker 3>This film does not need it. But that is the

746
00:41:24.440 --> 00:41:27.159
<v Speaker 3>same when you watch it that you're just like, oh,

747
00:41:27.239 --> 00:41:30.199
<v Speaker 3>that's that's gross. And yet I guess as a kid,

748
00:41:30.440 --> 00:41:34.079
<v Speaker 3>you all went, as a you know, a young male kid, Oh, hello,

749
00:41:34.360 --> 00:41:36.960
<v Speaker 3>this is this is really cool. I'm loving this.

750
00:41:37.440 --> 00:41:40.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh as a pubescent boy, sure it's it's it's the

751
00:41:40.480 --> 00:41:43.320
<v Speaker 2>greatest scene on earth. So I watched with any sort

752
00:41:43.360 --> 00:41:47.079
<v Speaker 2>of morality at all. It kind of kind of goes away. However, technically,

753
00:41:47.480 --> 00:41:50.039
<v Speaker 2>as you're saying, the creature itself is fucking great, first

754
00:41:50.079 --> 00:41:54.079
<v Speaker 2>of all, and then the animation of the ghostly tendrils

755
00:41:54.119 --> 00:41:57.800
<v Speaker 2>that are removing her clothing that's really cool too. But

756
00:41:57.880 --> 00:42:03.280
<v Speaker 2>here's my question. Eddie gives his bully this tape hoping

757
00:42:03.320 --> 00:42:05.079
<v Speaker 2>he's going to listen to the tape, and it's going

758
00:42:05.159 --> 00:42:10.039
<v Speaker 2>to kill him yep, and inadvertently kills the guy's girlfriend,

759
00:42:10.039 --> 00:42:14.039
<v Speaker 2>who listens to the tape. Now, had the intended victim,

760
00:42:14.400 --> 00:42:18.199
<v Speaker 2>Doug Savant, the blow dried blonde bully, listened to the tape,

761
00:42:18.239 --> 00:42:21.159
<v Speaker 2>would the demon have also sexily undressed him.

762
00:42:21.960 --> 00:42:24.880
<v Speaker 3>I hope so I wouldn't have been so turned on

763
00:42:24.920 --> 00:42:27.400
<v Speaker 3>watching that scene, but I still would have really enjoyed it.

764
00:42:27.920 --> 00:42:33.079
<v Speaker 3>I would have loved that moment. Yeah, it's an unfortunate thing,

765
00:42:33.280 --> 00:42:35.280
<v Speaker 3>but we need more bully and I like when the

766
00:42:35.280 --> 00:42:39.280
<v Speaker 3>bully finally flips and gets scared, and you know, as

767
00:42:39.320 --> 00:42:41.800
<v Speaker 3>bullies do, when they there's something that they don't understand,

768
00:42:41.920 --> 00:42:44.519
<v Speaker 3>they strike out and when it gets too much, they retreat.

769
00:42:44.880 --> 00:42:48.480
<v Speaker 3>And it's a perfect execution of that scenario with this film.

770
00:42:48.920 --> 00:42:52.440
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, I'm as I say, I forget every time

771
00:42:52.599 --> 00:42:54.480
<v Speaker 3>when I watch this film, and I've watched this film

772
00:42:54.559 --> 00:42:57.519
<v Speaker 3>a lot, I just forget that's there, And when it's there,

773
00:42:57.559 --> 00:42:59.519
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, oh, it's that scene, And then I'm like, oh,

774
00:42:59.599 --> 00:43:00.519
<v Speaker 3>it's that see.

775
00:43:01.960 --> 00:43:07.239
<v Speaker 2>Oh oh yeah, I just noticed for the first time

776
00:43:07.320 --> 00:43:12.639
<v Speaker 2>today rewatching this film. When Sammy Kerr appears to Roger

777
00:43:13.480 --> 00:43:16.119
<v Speaker 2>at one point, he motions to the television and the

778
00:43:16.119 --> 00:43:20.679
<v Speaker 2>television television flicks through a dozen different channels. One of

779
00:43:20.719 --> 00:43:24.000
<v Speaker 2>the images, just for a moment is a bit of driftwood.

780
00:43:24.039 --> 00:43:26.320
<v Speaker 2>That's a piece of the Elizabeth Dane because for one

781
00:43:26.360 --> 00:43:29.360
<v Speaker 2>moment there's a shot of John Carpenter's The Fog on

782
00:43:29.400 --> 00:43:34.920
<v Speaker 2>that television. Wow them alone. I found that very interesting.

783
00:43:35.880 --> 00:43:41.199
<v Speaker 2>What's it mean? I don't know. And also how did

784
00:43:41.199 --> 00:43:43.639
<v Speaker 2>they have had the rights to that? They couldn't have

785
00:43:43.880 --> 00:43:47.960
<v Speaker 2>that's the This is a Dela Entis Entertainment Group film.

786
00:43:48.199 --> 00:43:51.519
<v Speaker 2>The Fog was Avco embassy and released by I think

787
00:43:51.679 --> 00:43:54.880
<v Speaker 2>Universal or Fox or something, so there's no way there

788
00:43:54.920 --> 00:43:57.639
<v Speaker 2>was any overlap. Somebody just was like, I don't know,

789
00:43:57.679 --> 00:44:01.679
<v Speaker 2>just throw a picture of that fucking driftwood. I guess.

790
00:44:01.519 --> 00:44:05.760
<v Speaker 3>It is really interesting because like this film, when you

791
00:44:05.840 --> 00:44:08.239
<v Speaker 3>watch it, it feels like there is a love of the

792
00:44:08.320 --> 00:44:12.559
<v Speaker 3>genre within it, and yet I know from past interviews

793
00:44:12.559 --> 00:44:14.840
<v Speaker 3>with the director and other people on set that that

794
00:44:14.960 --> 00:44:19.239
<v Speaker 3>wasn't particularly the case, that that love of horror wasn't there.

795
00:44:19.280 --> 00:44:21.840
<v Speaker 3>This was another film, another job. Yes it was a

796
00:44:21.880 --> 00:44:25.119
<v Speaker 3>horror film, but like that wasn't what they were, you know,

797
00:44:25.639 --> 00:44:29.519
<v Speaker 3>in love with making this and crafting this even like

798
00:44:29.920 --> 00:44:34.719
<v Speaker 3>Sammy Kerr is not a rocker, you know, it's what

799
00:44:34.800 --> 00:44:37.320
<v Speaker 3>is he a dancer? He danced with Michael Jackson. I

800
00:44:37.320 --> 00:44:41.639
<v Speaker 3>think he did a backup dancer, ye, But I think

801
00:44:41.679 --> 00:44:45.360
<v Speaker 3>it works in this case, Justred per, I think everything works.

802
00:44:45.400 --> 00:44:47.880
<v Speaker 3>I just think it's so lucky the way it all

803
00:44:47.920 --> 00:44:51.440
<v Speaker 3>comes together, because, like you say, like that little flash

804
00:44:51.880 --> 00:44:55.320
<v Speaker 3>that you noticed of another film like horror nerds would

805
00:44:55.559 --> 00:44:58.159
<v Speaker 3>would be doing that, but who else would.

806
00:44:58.199 --> 00:44:59.880
<v Speaker 2>No one would get that, so why risk it?

807
00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:00.199
<v Speaker 1>You know?

808
00:45:00.199 --> 00:45:03.119
<v Speaker 2>I like that they don't. It's not a love of

809
00:45:03.199 --> 00:45:06.079
<v Speaker 2>the genre that this was made. I don't get out

810
00:45:07.079 --> 00:45:09.440
<v Speaker 2>you're talking about. Charles Martin Smith was probably not the

811
00:45:09.480 --> 00:45:11.760
<v Speaker 2>biggest horror fan, but wanted to direct a movie and

812
00:45:11.760 --> 00:45:13.280
<v Speaker 2>this was an opportunity, so we took it and he

813
00:45:13.320 --> 00:45:14.599
<v Speaker 2>did the best job he could. And I think he

814
00:45:14.679 --> 00:45:17.719
<v Speaker 2>did do a fantastic job. But the other people working

815
00:45:17.800 --> 00:45:20.360
<v Speaker 2>with him certainly could be fans of horror. I'm sure

816
00:45:20.400 --> 00:45:23.320
<v Speaker 2>the guy prepping their video thing where it's just flicking through,

817
00:45:23.400 --> 00:45:25.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure it just read in the script it flicks

818
00:45:25.280 --> 00:45:27.840
<v Speaker 2>from channel to channel, and nobody gave a shit what

819
00:45:28.039 --> 00:45:30.079
<v Speaker 2>those channel would look like as long as it flipped

820
00:45:30.119 --> 00:45:33.159
<v Speaker 2>through those channels. So somebody who's a horror fan working here,

821
00:45:33.280 --> 00:45:37.880
<v Speaker 2>there's somebody on the inside, was it you? I don't

822
00:45:37.920 --> 00:45:41.679
<v Speaker 2>tell anybody now before we go, mister Paul Waller, I'm

823
00:45:41.679 --> 00:45:44.679
<v Speaker 2>going to steal a page from your book. Let's say

824
00:45:45.199 --> 00:45:48.199
<v Speaker 2>right now, in twenty twenty four, there are plans on

825
00:45:48.360 --> 00:45:52.159
<v Speaker 2>the books for a remake of Trick or Treat and

826
00:45:52.280 --> 00:45:55.880
<v Speaker 2>they need a new theme song. You until recently were

827
00:45:55.880 --> 00:46:00.480
<v Speaker 2>the frontmen of the fantastic metal band Homes. Which song

828
00:46:00.679 --> 00:46:03.559
<v Speaker 2>of your back catalog are you going to choose? And

829
00:46:03.599 --> 00:46:05.000
<v Speaker 2>we're going to play it right after this.

830
00:46:05.480 --> 00:46:07.719
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if you can because it's too long,

831
00:46:08.039 --> 00:46:10.679
<v Speaker 3>but I would definitely put a song like Dawn of

832
00:46:10.719 --> 00:46:13.880
<v Speaker 3>the Swarm one. It's an early one, but it's still available.

833
00:46:14.119 --> 00:46:16.199
<v Speaker 3>I think it's like eighteen minutes long, So don't do

834
00:46:16.360 --> 00:46:19.280
<v Speaker 3>all of that. But there is a bit on the

835
00:46:19.320 --> 00:46:23.079
<v Speaker 3>second half where I start like talking about like this

836
00:46:23.199 --> 00:46:26.719
<v Speaker 3>wizard and then and all the time when the music's

837
00:46:26.760 --> 00:46:29.599
<v Speaker 3>going in the background, there's a little backwards like sitar

838
00:46:29.760 --> 00:46:32.079
<v Speaker 3>noise that if you listen carefully, it's in there. It's

839
00:46:32.079 --> 00:46:34.440
<v Speaker 3>just a guitar playing backwards, but it sounds just like

840
00:46:34.480 --> 00:46:38.079
<v Speaker 3>a Star and I was always thinking of, like playing

841
00:46:38.079 --> 00:46:40.480
<v Speaker 3>this backwards, what would that sound like? So I guess

842
00:46:40.519 --> 00:46:43.360
<v Speaker 3>that matches like that the gist of this, but Dawn

843
00:46:43.400 --> 00:46:46.440
<v Speaker 3>of the Swarm for sure, well that bit is going

844
00:46:46.480 --> 00:46:47.039
<v Speaker 3>to be cut in.

845
00:46:47.079 --> 00:46:49.119
<v Speaker 2>How about that? Not the fall eighteen minutes we got

846
00:46:49.239 --> 00:46:52.760
<v Speaker 2>I've got a tablem in here. Can I just say

847
00:46:52.800 --> 00:46:55.639
<v Speaker 2>I have delayed in recently in the past few weeks

848
00:46:55.800 --> 00:47:00.400
<v Speaker 2>visiting your back catalog, I was a neophyte there. I'm

849
00:47:00.440 --> 00:47:02.760
<v Speaker 2>sorry you're no longer a band now. I think that

850
00:47:02.920 --> 00:47:05.119
<v Speaker 2>last album is my favorite. That might be just a

851
00:47:05.159 --> 00:47:08.320
<v Speaker 2>little punker me like in four minute songs and not

852
00:47:08.519 --> 00:47:14.920
<v Speaker 2>eighteen minute masterpieces, but that entire album rot in particular.

853
00:47:14.920 --> 00:47:19.000
<v Speaker 2>Can you guess what my favorite song might have? Could

854
00:47:19.000 --> 00:47:19.679
<v Speaker 2>it be swamping?

855
00:47:19.880 --> 00:47:20.280
<v Speaker 4>It is?

856
00:47:20.920 --> 00:47:25.000
<v Speaker 2>Wow? By the way, I read a review that said

857
00:47:25.000 --> 00:47:27.639
<v Speaker 2>that the opening sound and the closing sound on the

858
00:47:27.679 --> 00:47:30.800
<v Speaker 2>album is a cassette tape, like a fucking audio cassette tape.

859
00:47:30.800 --> 00:47:32.760
<v Speaker 2>Are they out of their minds? Yeah?

860
00:47:33.360 --> 00:47:36.480
<v Speaker 3>I mean yeah, we take any review that you can get,

861
00:47:36.800 --> 00:47:41.880
<v Speaker 3>and I'll take it. But yeah, our drummer I just said, look,

862
00:47:41.960 --> 00:47:43.960
<v Speaker 3>we need a few weird sounds and things in this.

863
00:47:44.280 --> 00:47:46.519
<v Speaker 3>It's basically a horror movie. We're going to begin it

864
00:47:46.800 --> 00:47:48.320
<v Speaker 3>and we're going to end it. Can you just sort

865
00:47:48.360 --> 00:47:50.039
<v Speaker 3>something out? And he just came up with all of

866
00:47:50.039 --> 00:47:52.760
<v Speaker 3>that in a couple of weeks, and bless him. The

867
00:47:53.119 --> 00:47:56.400
<v Speaker 3>sound of a VHS tape going in especially, I just

868
00:47:56.480 --> 00:47:58.760
<v Speaker 3>know I can see the machine as it goes in

869
00:47:59.199 --> 00:47:59.559
<v Speaker 3>on that.

870
00:48:00.679 --> 00:48:01.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

871
00:48:01.039 --> 00:48:03.719
<v Speaker 3>So I'm sure it's been done a million times, but

872
00:48:03.840 --> 00:48:07.679
<v Speaker 3>just to have my horror fantasies on one record, and

873
00:48:07.719 --> 00:48:10.559
<v Speaker 3>that record being rott So we finally did those shorter

874
00:48:10.719 --> 00:48:14.760
<v Speaker 3>songs and they're so catchy. Man, I loved it. I

875
00:48:14.840 --> 00:48:16.519
<v Speaker 3>had to do something like that before we split, and

876
00:48:16.559 --> 00:48:17.239
<v Speaker 3>I'm glad we did.

877
00:48:17.800 --> 00:48:21.920
<v Speaker 2>Am I insulting by comparing your band to Stone Temple Pilots,

878
00:48:22.480 --> 00:48:28.159
<v Speaker 2>I would say heaviest version of Stone Temple Pilots parsible, I.

879
00:48:28.159 --> 00:48:31.719
<v Speaker 3>Would say, like that first record and also one of

880
00:48:31.719 --> 00:48:34.719
<v Speaker 3>the really later records as well. I think it's got

881
00:48:34.840 --> 00:48:38.360
<v Speaker 3>Star on the cover. There's some moments in that, and

882
00:48:38.679 --> 00:48:42.719
<v Speaker 3>definitely moments on the first one. I would always try

883
00:48:42.920 --> 00:48:47.280
<v Speaker 3>and because he had that quite Eddy vedery voice, yeah,

884
00:48:47.320 --> 00:48:50.480
<v Speaker 3>and I would try and avoid that at every possible

885
00:48:50.559 --> 00:48:53.599
<v Speaker 3>moment that I could, and whenever I would creep into it,

886
00:48:53.639 --> 00:48:56.239
<v Speaker 3>the band would stop and I'd go hold on, hold on,

887
00:48:56.280 --> 00:48:58.519
<v Speaker 3>hold on, and like go back, and I'd have to

888
00:48:58.519 --> 00:49:01.199
<v Speaker 3>redo it. So yeah, they were fans for sure.

889
00:49:01.719 --> 00:49:04.599
<v Speaker 2>I don't necessarily mean that your vocal standings was that

890
00:49:04.679 --> 00:49:07.360
<v Speaker 2>of Scott Winland. I was just saying musically.

891
00:49:07.480 --> 00:49:09.719
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, oh yeah, but I loved I loved that

892
00:49:09.840 --> 00:49:11.760
<v Speaker 3>Eddie Veder like Scott, like.

893
00:49:13.719 --> 00:49:16.000
<v Speaker 2>Wish I could do it. You can see while they

894
00:49:16.000 --> 00:49:20.719
<v Speaker 2>were like Nopaul, I think you guys did all right?

895
00:49:20.760 --> 00:49:22.719
<v Speaker 2>All right, Thank you ladies and Gentleen, Thank you Paul

896
00:49:22.760 --> 00:49:26.320
<v Speaker 2>for joining us. Hey, I was just about to cut

897
00:49:26.320 --> 00:49:29.639
<v Speaker 2>out without letting you plug your fucking show. Oh ayre

898
00:49:29.679 --> 00:49:30.239
<v Speaker 2>in Horror.

899
00:49:31.480 --> 00:49:35.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, episodes with Father Father Malone are coming.

900
00:49:35.559 --> 00:49:40.159
<v Speaker 2>Up soon, fantastic And as for everybody else, thank you

901
00:49:40.199 --> 00:49:43.480
<v Speaker 2>for joining us here at midnight viewing. If you want

902
00:49:43.480 --> 00:49:45.360
<v Speaker 2>to support the show, go on over to patreon dot

903
00:49:45.400 --> 00:49:47.880
<v Speaker 2>com slash follow them alone. You get episodes early and

904
00:49:48.000 --> 00:49:51.159
<v Speaker 2>commercial free, and you'll get our new Patreon only show,

905
00:49:51.199 --> 00:49:55.320
<v Speaker 2>Cable Box Theater, where Noise Junkies host HP and myself

906
00:49:55.360 --> 00:49:58.639
<v Speaker 2>look at television, or rather we look at shows from

907
00:49:58.760 --> 00:50:02.800
<v Speaker 2>the early nineteen in the eighties, late nineteen seventies filmed

908
00:50:02.920 --> 00:50:06.639
<v Speaker 2>Broadway productions that aired on Showtime and HBO when they

909
00:50:06.639 --> 00:50:10.400
<v Speaker 2>had nothing else to air. We're going to leave you

910
00:50:10.440 --> 00:50:12.960
<v Speaker 2>with a bit of Sammy Kerr and then a bit

911
00:50:13.000 --> 00:50:16.039
<v Speaker 2>of ohms. We'll catch you next time on Father Malone's

912
00:50:16.039 --> 00:50:18.960
<v Speaker 2>Weekly round Up. That'll be next Monday. Was that message

913
00:50:19.039 --> 00:50:19.960
<v Speaker 2>yesterday meant for me?

914
00:50:20.599 --> 00:50:24.119
<v Speaker 1>Wo oh?

915
00:50:24.519 --> 00:50:25.480
<v Speaker 5>Part of the plan?

916
00:50:27.360 --> 00:50:29.440
<v Speaker 1>All right, okay, now we're talking.

917
00:50:31.599 --> 00:50:32.480
<v Speaker 2>Okay, there's a plan.

918
00:50:33.760 --> 00:50:37.519
<v Speaker 4>Oh what is the plan?

919
00:50:44.440 --> 00:50:48.639
<v Speaker 1>Remember? Remember?

920
00:50:49.639 --> 00:50:51.480
<v Speaker 4>Yes, I remember?

921
00:50:53.519 --> 00:50:54.280
<v Speaker 2>After yesterday?

922
00:50:54.880 --> 00:50:57.320
<v Speaker 1>How can I forget quiet?

923
00:51:01.519 --> 00:51:07.000
<v Speaker 5>That mean six six the crush not on Shi.

924
00:51:07.920 --> 00:51:12.000
<v Speaker 4>Sick sick and crush six six.

925
00:51:12.079 --> 00:51:18.480
<v Speaker 2>Crush drop my cale.

926
00:51:20.639 --> 00:51:21.719
<v Speaker 3>Say about that?

927
00:51:24.480 --> 00:51:33.840
<v Speaker 6>I'd wag just way all about.

928
00:51:40.880 --> 00:51:41.880
<v Speaker 1>I don't I know.

929
00:51:44.679 --> 00:52:39.480
<v Speaker 2>About us? Doesn't SI sign the Wizard, the which body hols?

930
00:52:39.519 --> 00:52:43.639
<v Speaker 3>The solutions ans enough to black.

931
00:52:44.880 --> 00:52:48.960
<v Speaker 2>Every song is my ve till under.

932
00:52:48.920 --> 00:52:56.440
<v Speaker 6>Sixteen Saudi spotions thuty values with these brilli and thuty rhymes,

933
00:52:56.519 --> 00:52:58.440
<v Speaker 6>its pretty good song, said.

934
00:52:58.800 --> 00:53:04.800
<v Speaker 2>H i'sy white daddy knows one table but.

935
00:53:06.320 --> 00:53:10.760
<v Speaker 4>His sad kids stock. So he went to.

936
00:53:10.960 --> 00:53:17.239
<v Speaker 6>Wait up coming, said may the sage direction, said A

937
00:53:17.360 --> 00:53:20.360
<v Speaker 6>said he, I said, brought mats.

938
00:53:20.440 --> 00:53:21.199
<v Speaker 2>From the world.

939
00:53:21.519 --> 00:53:23.519
<v Speaker 1>His junkin said shoes.

940
00:53:23.679 --> 00:53:29.079
<v Speaker 6>And Teddy's Tryna said, shot that can for a signut

941
00:53:29.199 --> 00:53:33.719
<v Speaker 6>and structure and shake a lot of on that children

942
00:53:34.679 --> 00:53:39.000
<v Speaker 6>through the m brace of sh that was kind of

943
00:53:39.199 --> 00:53:44.519
<v Speaker 6>that could be drag and watsa should be brought up

944
00:53:45.360 --> 00:53:50.639
<v Speaker 6>so like upon its calling, and many k that bloody

945
00:53:50.960 --> 00:53:53.639
<v Speaker 6>b gents upon the man folk.

946
00:53:54.079 --> 00:53:56.840
<v Speaker 2>Lady said bands and then he said.

947
00:53:56.719 --> 00:53:57.760
<v Speaker 3>I signed to stop.

948
00:53:58.239 --> 00:54:03.480
<v Speaker 6>I said, so he wants the test, mind him Danny

949
00:54:03.840 --> 00:54:07.400
<v Speaker 6>shots a cowboy test tis Anny.

950
00:54:07.119 --> 00:54:10.239
<v Speaker 2>Red chest bories both shot scrause.

951
00:54:10.000 --> 00:55:14.480
<v Speaker 1>Me that tans right Sassis