Speaker 1: You see somethings going to happen.
Speaker 2: What What's gonna happen?
Speaker 1: Tae?
Speaker 3: What help?
Speaker 4: Welcome to the Occult Rejects this episode. You already know
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Speaker 3: Today she was unable to join us.
Speaker 4: But today we still got Gin the Ninja, JJ Vance
Speaker 4: and Heiti. But before we get into it, I'm going
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Speaker 4: Gin please sir, let everybody know who may not know
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Speaker 5: I've actually really enjoyed every episode that I've done with Heidi.
Speaker 5: I've learned tons. Literally I walk away from the episode
Speaker 5: with my head just swimming. So thank you guys, and
Speaker 5: always a pleasure with JJ.
Speaker 3: So hell yeah, talk on.
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Speaker 2: Nick as always appreciate the invite. Jen. Always great to
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Speaker 6: I'm always looking forward to discussing Mormon stuff with you,
Speaker 6: JJ Vance, host of Operation GCD, Not the Vice President
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, looking forward to that.
Speaker 7: Thank you, JJ, And I am sorry all right, he
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Speaker 7: Love Unfiltered Rise podcast. I think she's a great researcher,
Speaker 7: she's probably just as addicted to looking at the woman's
Speaker 7: as I am.
Speaker 4: So I love that, and uh, I just love the
Speaker 4: work that she does. And I'm I'm very happy to
Speaker 4: have a part of like the team and researching with us.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much, thank you so much, thank you.
Speaker 1: I am excited to be an occult reject. It makes sense,
Speaker 1: and to be on the board with all of you.
Speaker 1: That actually is a really big thing for me. Thank you.
Speaker 1: And I do have a cold today, so I'm sorry
Speaker 1: about that, but yeah, got the best of me, can't
Speaker 1: help it.
Speaker 3: Its the best of us.
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Speaker 1: a week on Spotify, once a week on YouTube because
Speaker 1: they hate my stuff. I'm happy to be here with
Speaker 1: all of you. So thanks.
Speaker 3: Well, at least you know, like with with the YouTube,
Speaker 3: odds are well.
Speaker 4: Then again, I think me and JJF even I've gotten
Speaker 4: strikes and he hasn't.
Speaker 3: For the same material.
Speaker 4: But like I think, as long as you know that
Speaker 4: the stuff I drop with you is okay on YouTube
Speaker 4: A couple of weeks later, you could drop it.
Speaker 3: It should be okay, you know, let's see it.
Speaker 5: Good to you.
Speaker 1: You can judge me and like people. I guess there's
Speaker 1: an algorithm if you like normally talk about Mormons and
Speaker 1: you're talking about like Mormons in Germany, for example, I
Speaker 1: didn't get a strike that somebody else did, so it's
Speaker 1: it's yeah.
Speaker 4: Oh I did a live with White White Rabbit one time,
Speaker 4: you know, you know him, and I got a strike
Speaker 4: and he did.
Speaker 1: Oh that's weird.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're both live on YouTube. That's the town.
Speaker 1: But you know what, Yeah, you're like what And like
Speaker 1: I said, you guys, I didn't want to cancel because
Speaker 1: this is such a great timing for everything with the
Speaker 1: JFK files. But my voice is a little crappy, so sorry.
Speaker 3: Again, it's okay. So uh, I guess so where where
Speaker 3: do we Where do you want to start off?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Pull these files up if you don't mind. I'm
Speaker 1: going to start out with them because that always helps
Speaker 1: me keep my place. So we'll add those to the
Speaker 1: stage and that'll be the easiest way to do. I'll
Speaker 1: just minimize myself one second. Can you see that now?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: Okay, cool? So this is sir Handsor Hanna, and we're
Speaker 1: going to talk about him today because we have to
Speaker 1: talk about RFK is actually more connected with the Mormons
Speaker 1: than even JFK or anybody, although let's admit, Mayhew's fingerprints
Speaker 1: are on everything every single time. So may thank you.
Speaker 1: Quick little recap for people that missed the last one.
Speaker 1: He is a critical part of the Mormon mafia, but
Speaker 1: he really isn't Mormon. He just kind of got labeled
Speaker 1: that way because he was one of Howard Hughes' main
Speaker 1: people that took care of business before Gay. This guy's
Speaker 1: name is Gay got put in and they kind of
Speaker 1: had a little tiff and went back and forth. But
Speaker 1: so he's critical. He's coming up in the new releases.
Speaker 1: Of course that's going to take me ten years to
Speaker 1: go through, but yeah, I have been going through a
Speaker 1: little by little, and he's already coming up. But this
Speaker 1: case even more so, I would stay with the Mormon connection.
Speaker 1: And so we have more receipts on what exactly happened here.
Speaker 1: This is a picture of Sir Hansir Han which he
Speaker 1: is still alive, you guys, he is still in prison.
Speaker 1: He actually was granted parole and then Newsoen said no.
Speaker 1: And so this man is in his seventies. He has
Speaker 1: spent the majority of life in prison, and it's actually
Speaker 1: really sad when you find out his whole story. So
Speaker 1: we'll start out with a little bit of his background,
Speaker 1: because I don't think that you can really know somebody
Speaker 1: unless you do that. So Sir hansor Han was born
Speaker 1: March nineteen, nineteen forty four, in Jerusalem. He is Palestinian,
Speaker 1: but he was Orthodox Christian. His mother actually worked for
Speaker 1: the Presbyterian Church. And he saw some pretty horrific things
Speaker 1: as a kid. And I'm going to just list these,
Speaker 1: but this will come into play possibly later. His brother
Speaker 1: was ran over by a truck and killed. His home
Speaker 1: was bombed. He brought water in a pail for the
Speaker 1: family and there was an arm in it.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: The home, Yeah, was destroyed. The sister died of leukemia.
Speaker 1: The dad left an abandoned the family right after they
Speaker 1: got here and went back to Jerusalem. So like, it's
Speaker 1: not like this kid had an easy life. And now
Speaker 1: we're going to add one more thing on top of it.
Speaker 1: He's five o' four, so that's rough growing up. He
Speaker 1: had Yeah, Yeah, he had a hard time, but he
Speaker 1: put his shortness to like some good good works because
Speaker 1: he wanted to be a jockey. And so you know,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna do anything, you know, like that's a
Speaker 1: cool thing to do. You don't have to do that,
Speaker 1: but I'm just saying, like, that's a good way to
Speaker 1: channel your energy. And he was, you know, the perfect build.
Speaker 1: He was slight built, and he was not to be
Speaker 1: a groomer of the horses. Not kids.
Speaker 3: There too, and not even realized we're talking about horses.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, And he exercised them and he groomed them
Speaker 1: and he just loved horses. And the funny thing is
Speaker 1: is all the people that worked with him, all all
Speaker 1: these things, they want to say, oh, he was this
Speaker 1: radical Palestinian guy. He first of all, remember he's Christian. Okay,
Speaker 1: it doesn't even make sense. They picked like, I don't
Speaker 1: know what they did here was cracker Jacks. And then
Speaker 1: on top of it, he was very interactive with all
Speaker 1: the people at the racetrack. He would go out with
Speaker 1: his friends. He was you know, fun. He would stick
Speaker 1: up for people about like rights and trying to you know,
Speaker 1: make it better for people that weren't from America. He
Speaker 1: also hung out and was known that he went to
Speaker 1: places like, okay, get ready for the left, topless bars
Speaker 1: like the Briar Patch and the cat Patch. So he
Speaker 1: did go out with his buddies to some fun places.
Speaker 1: And the funny thing is, though, when you're talking about
Speaker 1: these places, like especially in nineteen sixty six when he
Speaker 1: was working here and at Del Rio, he was known
Speaker 1: and hung out with mini mobsters. Okay, the mobsters were
Speaker 1: kind of known to hang out there a lot. And
Speaker 1: these people, you know, kind of hooked him up with
Speaker 1: a better place to be than this one. And so
Speaker 1: when he ends up getting a better job, he ends
Speaker 1: up going to one of these places that were ran
Speaker 1: by Desi Arnez, Desi Arnez, Buddy Epsen, and Del Robertson.
Speaker 1: Funny enough, at the Grand Javista del Rio ranch. But
Speaker 1: there he looks like it's going to be pretty promising.
Speaker 1: I did try to find a photo, but they're all
Speaker 1: weird and like it's a private ranch. So it was
Speaker 1: it was like black and white pastures. It wasn't cool
Speaker 1: like this one. And he was thrown from a horse
Speaker 1: there and it forever changed his life. It probably led
Speaker 1: him into this whole situation. So he actually lost consciousness,
Speaker 1: was in a semi coma and had a residual and
Speaker 1: this happened in September of nineteen sixty six, and so
Speaker 1: he just was never the same after that, and he
Speaker 1: just completely had tons of like personality changes, very much
Speaker 1: so with you know, anything that you look at with
Speaker 1: a frontal head injury for sure or TBI in general.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it had been going on. This is from
Speaker 1: the declassified papers, just because we're going to get into this,
Speaker 1: but this is going to talk about him and what
Speaker 1: he was doing during this time because he quits jockeying
Speaker 1: and he ends up hooking up with this guy. And
Speaker 1: this guy I can't find a photo of him at all,
Speaker 1: and it was just really strange. And it's his really
Speaker 1: good friend. And his really good friend is super older
Speaker 1: than him. He's like in his forties and Sir hansor
Speaker 1: Han's young in his twenties. His name is Walter Thomas Rathkey. Well,
Speaker 1: they were already watching him for some reason, I'm not
Speaker 1: really sure, but they had this and other things already
Speaker 1: downloaded to FBI files before anything ever happened. Right, So
Speaker 1: we're already looking at a Patsy situation. Sir hansor Han
Speaker 1: had continuous pain in his left eye after this, and
Speaker 1: he was looking for relief and was really into East
Speaker 1: everything Eastern in the sixties, right, it's starting to come out.
Speaker 1: It's like cool. He gets really into this friend at
Speaker 1: Amarak and Rathkey introduces him and he joins he becomes
Speaker 1: a Rosicrusian. And this is like notated on that previous side.
Speaker 1: If you guys look, it says so like there's receipts
Speaker 1: there so that people don't say, oh, yeah, it's not
Speaker 1: it's not true. He wasn't well. He was and he
Speaker 1: was extremely interested in the occult and theosophy during this
Speaker 1: time where he's like getting hypnotized and searching out to
Speaker 1: be cured of this pain in his eye. And he
Speaker 1: also wins a small settlement at this time from like
Speaker 1: workman's comp and I mean remember it's the sixties. He
Speaker 1: got like seventeen hundred dollars I think it was, which
Speaker 1: he decided he's just going to like bet all his
Speaker 1: money on horses and that that was going to be
Speaker 1: a good idea TBI not a good idea. So he's
Speaker 1: doing all this stuff. He's studying, but he's also like
Speaker 1: blowing his money. His mom's getting worried. Everybody's kind of
Speaker 1: getting worried about him at this point because he's hanging
Speaker 1: out with his super older guy and it is rumored,
Speaker 1: I don't know, we can't substantiate it as this says
Speaker 1: that he actually met Manly P. Hall and was hypnotized
Speaker 1: by him for pain, so.
Speaker 3: Hypnotize anything.
Speaker 1: And here's the thing, this rath Key like really in
Speaker 1: the sixties, I've found pictures of everybody else it's nowhere.
Speaker 1: It is nowhere, and not even in the FBI files
Speaker 1: with this nothing I had name is all over it
Speaker 1: but him himself. No. So people are like, that's probably
Speaker 1: very much his more de moorn shield. You know, this
Speaker 1: guy's teaching him things and showing him stuff and then
Speaker 1: you know, like disappears into the night and never had
Speaker 1: a photo. That seems strange, especially when the police pulled
Speaker 1: him in for interviews. I mean, there's some fishiness there.
Speaker 1: But like I said, he was very interested in getting hypnotized.
Speaker 1: He sought this out himself. And back then, as we know,
Speaker 1: when they're doing the MK Ultra program, they are searching
Speaker 1: for people in exactly that type of situation, and they
Speaker 1: would be looking through, like you know, records of people
Speaker 1: searching for help with pain or whatever for hypnotism to
Speaker 1: see how well they were hypnotized. Although I will say
Speaker 1: I don't think he stood a chance because we're going
Speaker 1: to talk about why this guy. I'm so glad JJ's here. JJ.
Speaker 1: Feel free to join me on this one in just
Speaker 1: a second here, because this is really interesting. So this
Speaker 1: guy is known to be one of the best hypnotists ever.
Speaker 1: This is doctor William Joseph Bryant. He was the president
Speaker 1: of American Institution of Hypnosis. He worked for the Air Force,
Speaker 1: He was MK Ultra. He was in charge of all
Speaker 1: this stuff, including the Boston strangler case with DeSalvo and
Speaker 1: hypnotizing him. And it gets really interesting because, like I said,
Speaker 1: he is out searching for all this stuff, and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, when he quits the racetrack and he disappears,
Speaker 1: his mom is like, Uh, where's my kid because he's
Speaker 1: only like me something and he goes into something called
Speaker 1: the fog. And this is what they've named it.
Speaker 5: Not me.
Speaker 1: None of these things that are named or me, like
Speaker 1: the Mormon Mafia. All that is other people naming this stuff.
Speaker 1: So they said that this was three months where he disappears.
Speaker 1: Nobody can trail him, not even a CIA or FBI.
Speaker 1: They never said they knew where he was, which I
Speaker 1: think they did, but that's fine. And William Joseph Bryant,
Speaker 1: he's a character. He suddenly goes on at a later
Speaker 1: point and goes on a radio station after this all
Speaker 1: blows up because we all know what the end of
Speaker 1: the story is and he dies like immediately after. He
Speaker 1: actually died like pretty awesome, I have to say, Like
Speaker 1: he died with two hookers in Vegas in the bed.
Speaker 1: But it made a problem for him because I guess
Speaker 1: he liked to talk, you know, and so this this
Speaker 1: is a problem because he told these girls, hey, I
Speaker 1: did this to Sir Hansar Hannah Da da da da da,
Speaker 1: and you're gonna hear all about me soon. And he
Speaker 1: kind of bragged himself up and then he died. He
Speaker 1: was only in his fifties, but he was well known
Speaker 1: for his services. I will tell you guys that he
Speaker 1: was known to go in with actual CIA people, like
Speaker 1: in a big boardroom with over thirty CIA and FBI agents,
Speaker 1: and he hypnotized all of them like that quick. He
Speaker 1: also was implicated with the whole mans and stuff JJ
Speaker 1: anything on doctor the Good Doctor.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, And I like to also add to the point
Speaker 6: you made there of his death. I believe that was
Speaker 6: his own sex hypnosis seminar that he was hosting there
Speaker 6: in Vegas. He is the host of the sex seminar.
Speaker 6: What a great thing for it, What a great thing
Speaker 6: for ritual sex cult. You know, activity right to have
Speaker 6: your own sex seminars with hypnosis, right, I.
Speaker 1: Mean, like hello, harnessing of energy, brilliant, brilliant. It was
Speaker 1: a smart county.
Speaker 2: So I think those are to me.
Speaker 6: That's why the most important characteristic of why he's connected
Speaker 6: to the Manson storyline. So you just inadvertently identified Heidi
Speaker 6: the top two suspects and what is known as the
Speaker 6: head chin goon within the process for for Pie movement,
Speaker 6: according to researchers such as Ed Sanders, who pegged mainly
Speaker 6: p Hall as this character who would later lead this
Speaker 6: kind of offshoot very ritual sacrifice, very sex rituals.
Speaker 2: Going on, even more more extreme than other components of
Speaker 2: the cult.
Speaker 6: So yeah, girls, yeah, he was pimping those girls out right,
Speaker 6: I mean, he what's what's often known about Manson is.
Speaker 2: Prior to this whole era where he's got.
Speaker 6: These women and to everywhere the Hollywood, you know, stars
Speaker 6: and singers of Hollywood, he's running a modeling agency down
Speaker 6: on Sunset Strip, the star modeling agency. Hands all over it, right, Oh,
Speaker 6: absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 1: He knows some stuff like when you see him do
Speaker 1: his little funny dance and I know we talked about
Speaker 1: this on our upcoming episode that I'm going to release,
Speaker 1: but like people failed to see. They laughed and I
Speaker 1: was like, wait a minute, what's he doing? He knew.
Speaker 5: Exactly, Like, sorry, sorry, j no worries. I just want
Speaker 5: to jump in really quick before we get too far away.
Speaker 5: When he he was talking about your hands here hand
Speaker 5: him being a jockey, or maybe possibly wanting to be
Speaker 5: a jockey, but being around horses, there is something very
Speaker 5: metaphysically implicative about that. You could say that there's a
Speaker 5: especially for his rescrution connections, because the symbol of Saint George,
Speaker 5: which is obviously the rosicrition saint. Even the term riding
Speaker 5: the dragon that can be a term in in sacks.
Speaker 5: I'm not being funny. It can mean reverse cowgirl, but
Speaker 5: it can also refer to looking at the icon of
Speaker 5: Saint George the dragons Layer and saying that the drag
Speaker 5: or the horse, excuse me, the white horse is in
Speaker 5: fact the dragon at its higher potentiality. It's higher current
Speaker 5: or higher frequency. So sorry, I just wanted to add
Speaker 5: that really quick, and I'm done now.
Speaker 1: Always interject you, guys, because I can't see you and
Speaker 1: so I'm just seeing slides. So always always interject because
Speaker 1: I think it's yea discussion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 6: If I may put a book in on some of those,
Speaker 6: mainly p Hall and and uh and uh other other
Speaker 6: you know notes here, I know Jene can speak more
Speaker 6: to what I'm what I'm referring to. And this this
Speaker 6: cult system that is alleged that mainly p Hall was
Speaker 6: running by you know, by Ed Sanders, this this four
Speaker 6: Pie movement. But because it's a lot of Eastern mysticism
Speaker 6: of varying fashions that seemingly don't mix but are matched
Speaker 6: together in their little system there and uh, you know,
Speaker 6: it is interesting these are the years preceding this time,
Speaker 6: so the process doesn't come until sixty eight.
Speaker 2: But this is so this is seemingly Sir.
Speaker 6: Han's interactions like to call him double, Sirhan, interactions with
Speaker 6: these folks, you know, William Joseph Bryant and Manly P.
Speaker 6: Hall in the years preceding that. Now, William Joseph Bryant's
Speaker 6: connection to the Manson family would also have folks later
Speaker 6: even at Sanders, looking into him being the possibility of
Speaker 6: being this head chin Gon, which was a name Charlie
Speaker 6: went by and was known by times as a Sorry,
Speaker 6: he was known as the head chin Gon. I believe
Speaker 6: these characters would be the grand chan Gon. This is
Speaker 6: some sort of hierarchy of leadership though, but this ching
Speaker 6: gon term goes back to Asias well.
Speaker 1: And he specifically mentions, I don't know if you know
Speaker 1: this not these are from his notebook, but he specifically
Speaker 1: also mentions and I didn't take pictures of every single
Speaker 1: page because they're a lot. And I do want to
Speaker 1: tell people there at sir Han researcher researcher dot com
Speaker 1: if you want to see the full notebook. It's really repetitive.
Speaker 1: And he does mention to me in his notebook just
Speaker 1: to your points, what's that? Oh, it's like the top
Speaker 1: top too, jin do you know about? No?
Speaker 5: Oh? Sorry about that?
Speaker 1: And I don't know, okay, So they just said it
Speaker 1: was like the top top top, like kind of the
Speaker 1: grand ching on in in like Theosophy Resicrucianism type stuff.
Speaker 1: This is. They even said when I was researching it
Speaker 1: that this was something they wouldn't speak of lightly and
Speaker 1: normally would not even be brought up, which okay, they
Speaker 1: played for the part why nobody knows.
Speaker 5: It took me a second, okay, I do understand. No, no, no,
Speaker 5: it's it's it's it's I mean that's what it wasn't
Speaker 5: that you're mispronouncing it. It's that I didn't. It didn't
Speaker 5: click for me. So I think the word is like shinya,
Speaker 5: like the French for bun, but it's also like the
Speaker 5: it's also like the Buddhist like how you see when
Speaker 5: you see Buddha and he has his little curly hairs,
Speaker 5: but he's got like a little bun that's called an
Speaker 5: ushinishni jaya, and it's that's what it's called the shinan.
Speaker 5: That's how it's often translated. So I think that's actually
Speaker 5: what it's referring to.
Speaker 1: Oh god, yeah, this one was. This one was let's see,
Speaker 1: let me find it. The k t u m I
Speaker 1: master kato me and so I don't know, like I said,
Speaker 1: other than what I studied. And people said that that
Speaker 1: was like the top top and they didn't mention it's
Speaker 1: its name hardly ever, that it was strange that he
Speaker 1: would even write it, that it's not even supposed to
Speaker 1: be like that. So these are all excerpts from his
Speaker 1: random notebooks, and most of them are like literally, Sir
Speaker 1: Hanser Hanser, Hanser Hanser, it's really weird, like it's just
Speaker 1: repetitive and crazy, like these were the most important ones
Speaker 1: I felt for me. But I did provide the link
Speaker 1: there so people can go see that, and if you
Speaker 1: want to add it in Nick, I'll send it to you.
Speaker 1: But like I said, you can see Illuminati here. You
Speaker 1: can see that right here. It's weird. He repeats just
Speaker 1: like a normal hypnotist person, like hypnotized person. They'll do
Speaker 1: this automatic writing of repeating, and then every once in
Speaker 1: a while it will make sense and he'll be like,
Speaker 1: send money to my mom. And then a lot of
Speaker 1: times in this three month period was when this notebook
Speaker 1: was supposedly mostly written. When he has disappeared and he
Speaker 1: is writing things like hungry hungry food. There's some weird
Speaker 1: stuff that they're possibly mentally abusing him here, like mk
Speaker 1: ultra abusing him. So it's really strange. I went through
Speaker 1: and studied these, the deciphering of a lot of these,
Speaker 1: and it was, yeah, it was kind of sad. And
Speaker 1: he also ends up writing in his you know, home language.
Speaker 1: He ends up doing a lot of that, but it's
Speaker 1: really repetitive, see like of of of of like he
Speaker 1: does it. It's really weird. I mean, really, they are
Speaker 1: worth taking a look at. So I just really recommend
Speaker 1: everybody going to check that out out because they were
Speaker 1: super interesting and they're going to lead us even further
Speaker 1: into this whole situation. So I'm going to actually start
Speaker 1: with these photos here because I think they play better
Speaker 1: if you at some point.
Speaker 4: Sir, if you don't mind real quick, I just didn't
Speaker 4: want to add something that that Jin had said earlier
Speaker 4: because I was kind of like thinking the same thing
Speaker 4: about his jockey stuff.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. It didn't happen.
Speaker 4: It's just like it's just interesting how like sometimes like
Speaker 4: it could be just I'm just always thinking of a
Speaker 4: cult symbolism, maybe just because I'm Stone, like even the
Speaker 4: story with him, like with the jockey and then going
Speaker 4: into like a coma. I mean he thought of like
Speaker 4: the chariot writer and then you know that's just at
Speaker 4: the end, like maybe cross the Abyss and once somewhere else.
Speaker 1: Well, and they said he dang there they thought he
Speaker 1: was gonna die. So that even makes more sense, you know.
Speaker 1: Plus the fact like who he was surrounding himself with,
Speaker 1: even though it was strange that he would be, I
Speaker 1: guess he's not you know, he's not white, and he
Speaker 1: was with all these people that were like white nationalists
Speaker 1: like there, but it gets weird. I mean they kind
Speaker 1: of treated him bad, and he actually spoke up for
Speaker 1: their rights and he tried to like say no in
Speaker 1: a nice way. He was never they said, even though
Speaker 1: he was super passionate about it, he never raised his voice.
Speaker 1: He was super good friends with everyone. Like it just
Speaker 1: seems very out of character for what's going to happen
Speaker 1: here soon.
Speaker 6: And idy Man in reject on this white nationalist of course,
Speaker 6: so I think that the proper context, he does seem
Speaker 6: odd right, because this is Christian Palestinian man hanging out
Speaker 6: with the white nationalists.
Speaker 2: It seems like an odd environment to be in.
Speaker 6: But I would suggest that the connecting principle between these
Speaker 6: folks double Sir Han and then when the White Nationalists
Speaker 6: is the processed church of the Final Judgment and they're
Speaker 6: Nazi ideology.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I think so, because he was extremely involved
Speaker 1: with it and everybody knew it. They said he literally
Speaker 1: the word they used, was obsessed with occultism afterwards, So
Speaker 1: it makes sense. And I mean they're obviously programming him.
Speaker 1: Like the notebook, It's like it's a whole bunch of pages.
Speaker 1: When you look through them, you're like, whoa brain scramble?
Speaker 6: You know, yeah, bad to the note of his double
Speaker 6: Sir Hans connects to the process. In the book of
Speaker 6: Ed Sanders published The Family on Charles Manson, an article
Speaker 6: or the chapter on the process was removed in America,
Speaker 6: but it's remained in print in the UK today still
Speaker 6: as he won the lawsuit over there and the American
Speaker 6: publisher just folded but in their Sanders sites. In nineteen
Speaker 6: seventy four i Ins investigation investigatory report citing that Sir
Speaker 6: Hans Sirhan there double Sirhan was attending ritual sex magic
Speaker 6: parties with a English cult at Sharon Tate's house in
Speaker 6: June or sixty eight, just immediately preceding these events here
Speaker 6: of RFK in double Sirhan very interesting.
Speaker 1: Well, we're going to get into even more links with
Speaker 1: when we talk about our next person. But I do
Speaker 1: want to quickly mention about programming with this girl. And
Speaker 1: this is considered the girl in the polka dot dress.
Speaker 1: And I will say, she comes up and she even
Speaker 1: had there was like eyewitnesses. This lady's last name was Serrano,
Speaker 1: and she was on like the stairs and she comes
Speaker 1: running out and she says we did it. And she's
Speaker 1: like what the hell, like what and she's like, we
Speaker 1: shaw Senator Kennedy and then runs away. And so she
Speaker 1: gives this testimony until they pressured her so badly after
Speaker 1: telling her she failed the lie detector all these things,
Speaker 1: like they scared her basically out of her testimony, and
Speaker 1: she's she held onto it for a long time for years.
Speaker 1: And this girl, other people saw her. It wasn't just one.
Speaker 1: Other people actually saw her do what I'm going to
Speaker 1: describe right now. Because Sirhan went to the Ambassador Hotel,
Speaker 1: he was trying to pick up girls. And I think
Speaker 1: you just explained why for a sexual good time. I
Speaker 1: think he was pretty into that. He was very into
Speaker 1: all of that movement at that point, and he didn't
Speaker 1: often score well, I guess, and so he was kind
Speaker 1: of known for drinking a little bit and he got
Speaker 1: kind of drunk. They said he had four Tom Collins
Speaker 1: and that he went to go leave and he got
Speaker 1: to his car and he thought, I can't drive, and
Speaker 1: that is when he retrieved the gun from the glove compartment.
Speaker 1: And he goes back into the hotel and this girl
Speaker 1: in the polka dot dress helps him get a cup
Speaker 1: of coffee, but she doesn't take him where the coffee
Speaker 1: coffee normally is. She takes him over to like a
Speaker 1: separate area where there was a carafe, and she sits
Speaker 1: him down and gets it for him. But people were
Speaker 1: watching because they thought it was odd and and they
Speaker 1: literally saw her pinch him, turn him around literally when
Speaker 1: we say handle her like physically turn him around in
Speaker 1: like a circle. And then all of a sudden, she's
Speaker 1: like Senator Kennedy's coming. That was his turn off, like literal,
Speaker 1: and then he starts shooting his gun. So he to
Speaker 1: this day states he does not remember this. Okay, they
Speaker 1: have literally gone over this again and again, and a
Speaker 1: lot of times he was like told, no, you can't
Speaker 1: be forgiven on parole or anything because you're not. Sorry, well,
Speaker 1: let's also dig into this. They did not put this
Speaker 1: in his case. He had a blood alcohol level of
Speaker 1: one point six when he was arrested. He weighed one
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty pounds.
Speaker 5: Sorry hiding, I'm going to jump in really quick.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Good.
Speaker 5: So the girl thing that totally makes sense. I mean
Speaker 5: and jj I nick no like about that. All the
Speaker 5: all these guys that are connected to the network we'll
Speaker 5: call it, or they're called network, they're all like hypersexual
Speaker 5: because it may so make sense that he's really into girls.
Speaker 5: That's even that kind of like the if you want
Speaker 5: to think of the Saint George figure in a couple
Speaker 5: a stick way, that would that would have a provocation
Speaker 5: of being hyper sexual to walk that path. So it
Speaker 5: completely makes sense to me. And then even what you're
Speaker 5: saying about the sort of the code like where he's
Speaker 5: like kind of like tranced into shooting his gun, that
Speaker 5: completely makes sense to me in a way because if
Speaker 5: they're doing like these I've never been to anything like that,
Speaker 5: but if I can understand like conceptually they're doing like
Speaker 5: rhythmic sex parties, because that's pretty much what they're trying
Speaker 5: to do, right, They're trying to like mass mass initiate
Speaker 5: people into like a contra is basically how I understand it.
Speaker 5: So they're they're doing like these group sex rituals, I guess,
Speaker 5: and it's probably very rhythmic, probably to drums, because that
Speaker 5: in their conception, right, a very hippie conception, that's what
Speaker 5: it would be like, So I could see, like you
Speaker 5: would be very suggestive, like very suggestible in a state
Speaker 5: like that. And then there's also an idea in contra
Speaker 5: that the the female consort, she's able to be possessed.
Speaker 5: It's not possessed like channeling or anything like that, it's
Speaker 5: just like small movements or words that she says it
Speaker 5: can have considered to be higher meaning. So even to
Speaker 5: have like a woman be the trigger for his like mkness,
Speaker 5: that's interesting to me from like what you're saying, because
Speaker 5: that makes sense for like weird sex, yoga and all.
Speaker 1: That stuff, right, And I mean look at the doctor
Speaker 1: like how he died and everything, Like he's yap in
Speaker 1: his mouth even though he knows, like what the problems
Speaker 1: could be. He's not afraid, and he's just like I'm
Speaker 1: the all powerful, like screw off, like I'm going to
Speaker 1: go on a radio show, actually a Mormon owned radio show,
Speaker 1: to spew all this onto a radio and he like
Speaker 1: immediately died after. So, I mean, big surprise, right, his
Speaker 1: dad was also high up. I suggest people look at
Speaker 1: his background in politics. It's it's a lot. So you
Speaker 1: guys didn't hear about Fane Eugene Caesar at all yet, right, No.
Speaker 6: No, I was the Philippines, right, you mentioned that, and
Speaker 6: then and then we cut out Gorman Radio station, Philippines.
Speaker 1: And then well the guy that owned the guy that
Speaker 1: owned Skunkworks was born, well ran Skunkworks was born in
Speaker 1: the Philippines. This guy right here, he yes, and he's
Speaker 1: a Mormon. This is my big connect here is you know,
Speaker 1: he's the head of Lockheed's Skunkworks. He was a member
Speaker 1: of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints,
Speaker 1: of course he was, and he is the head of
Speaker 1: these special operations. And you have to remember, okay, Fane
Speaker 1: Eugene Caesar is supposed to be a plumber there, Okay,
Speaker 1: just a plumber and no big deal with that job,
Speaker 1: and he takes this other job moonlighting because he's going bankrupt,
Speaker 1: and he does file for bankruptcy and whatnot. But I
Speaker 1: like to show where he worked previously. So if you
Speaker 1: look down here at the bottom, earlier employers include General Motors,
Speaker 1: the Mormon Church, and so right here these are quotes
Speaker 1: from rf K Jr. So this was an interview they
Speaker 1: did with him, and they do hypothesize, including rf K Jr.
Speaker 1: That Caesar was the second gunman a night that all
Speaker 1: this happened, and especially with the autopsy, which we'll get
Speaker 1: back to. So it's interesting to me that he's a plumber,
Speaker 1: but he had the highest level security clearance a lot key,
Speaker 1: especially at the weapons plant.
Speaker 2: Maybe he was a plumber, you know, like plumber.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean exactly exactly how because you know he
Speaker 1: worked for the Mollen company for Bob Bennett. But yeah,
Speaker 1: so yes, exactly true. And and what we know is
Speaker 1: even though there this area was super busy and he'd
Speaker 1: only worked for ACE through this whole security gig for
Speaker 1: three days, he comes that night and he is leading
Speaker 1: by the arm RFK into this area that they're not
Speaker 1: supposed to be in. Okay, at all, and it ends
Speaker 1: up backing him into a pantry and it's so busy
Speaker 1: in there, like he's saying hello to everybody, Like I mean,
Speaker 1: you can see this hustle and bustle in this back kitchen,
Speaker 1: and there's a lot going on. They're supposed to be
Speaker 1: moving on to their next talk, and so this was
Speaker 1: right like energy's high. They're already like saying, oh, we're
Speaker 1: going to move on to Chicago, blah blah blah, and
Speaker 1: and all of this literally pops off and it's not good.
Speaker 1: And so when it does, they've actually been quoted as
Speaker 1: saying that he had superhuman strength at this point when
Speaker 1: they were trying to apprehend him. And so this is
Speaker 1: a picture of them apprehending. Here is thinge Eugene Caesar,
Speaker 1: and he is missing something that all of the security
Speaker 1: guards have on, and that's his tie. And his tie
Speaker 1: laid on the floor at Robert Kennedy's feet and he
Speaker 1: was shot.
Speaker 5: You know what color the tie was.
Speaker 1: They're all dark like this. I don't know if this
Speaker 1: is a navy or like a black, but it was
Speaker 1: a dark tie and they said it was laying on
Speaker 1: the floor like there were multiple people that said that
Speaker 1: this was the case. Also, if you guys know anything
Speaker 1: about how RFK dies, you know, he gets shot and
Speaker 1: we're going to talk more about the autopsy with Nagucci
Speaker 1: kind of back behind the ear and I'll show this.
Speaker 1: It's going to be coming up. And he doesn't die
Speaker 1: on the scene. He actually had heart massage in the
Speaker 1: sixties to be kept alive, which is well, I wonder
Speaker 1: if it was like Sixerior being a nurse. I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, cardiac massage until they could get him
Speaker 1: in for surgery, even though despite his extensive neurological damn.
Speaker 1: And that's what eventually took him. It wasn't looking good
Speaker 1: for him. But it does say who is behind him
Speaker 1: in the pantry, right, it's Sane Eugene Caesar, and right
Speaker 1: here it says he died from the gunshots to his back. Okay,
Speaker 1: so this is super interesting because we're going to get
Speaker 1: into a whole bunch of reasons why. And you have
Speaker 1: to understand how Fane Eugene Caesar thought of people. He
Speaker 1: was originally from Cuba, and this is his quote. And
Speaker 1: I listened to this whole thing. He actually was on
Speaker 1: a program and this was his quote. I definitely wouldn't
Speaker 1: have voted for Bobby Kennedy. He had the same ideas
Speaker 1: as John did. And John sold our country down the road.
Speaker 1: He gave the country to the commis and the minorities.
Speaker 1: He said, here, you take over, you run. The white
Speaker 1: man blacks have been cramming this integrated idea down our
Speaker 1: throats for eight years. You learn to hate them. One
Speaker 1: of these days. At the rate they're going, they're going
Speaker 1: to be a civil war in this country and the
Speaker 1: blacks will never win. And then so Caesar was a
Speaker 1: bigot who hated the Kennedys for their advocacy of civil rights.
Speaker 1: I had plans to meet Dan Eugene Caesar. This is
Speaker 1: RFK quotes himself in the Philippines until he demanded twenty
Speaker 1: five thousand dollars through his agent.
Speaker 2: So Dani Moldea, agent Dan Moldea.
Speaker 6: That guy's he's suspect, he's super suspect as well.
Speaker 1: And how about how about this war? Like what are
Speaker 1: we hearing about at this time? With Charlie?
Speaker 3: You know this.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, no, absolutely, this is process theology right here in
Speaker 6: the Nazi ideology, the race wars, and from my life
Speaker 6: to point out an anti Castro.
Speaker 1: Cuban, yep, exactly. And then he flees and where did
Speaker 1: he go? He went to where until he died the Philippines,
Speaker 1: and who was born in the Philippines his boss. It's
Speaker 1: a little weird. I wonder if he flew him and
Speaker 1: he's awesome, you know, yet on the still technology right,
Speaker 1: who knows. But he did disappear, that's for sure. And so,
Speaker 1: like I said, there was problems with this whole situation
Speaker 1: with JFK and RFK. They knew he was never going
Speaker 1: to let it go. And if he got into the
Speaker 1: position where he was back as a president, they knew
Speaker 1: they were done. They knew all of them. And everybody
Speaker 1: wants to say, oh, it's it's look, it's Israel, it's this,
Speaker 1: it's all of them. Mayhew is all over this thing.
Speaker 1: And Mayhew has ties to everyone, Like I can't believe
Speaker 1: that they don't mention more about Mayhew. He's linked to
Speaker 1: the NASAs, he's linked to everything. He's linked to Castro,
Speaker 1: he's linked to the Bay of Pigs, he's linked to Hughes,
Speaker 1: he's linked he's linked everywhere. He is all over these papers.
Speaker 1: I mean there, it's crazy. And so the old ones
Speaker 1: at least I don't know about the new I know
Speaker 1: Lisa tagged me in one and it did mention him again,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, doesn't surprise me. Mayhew is always all
Speaker 1: over it. And how did Howard Hughes react when they
Speaker 1: told him about equal opportunity? He said, I don't care.
Speaker 1: I'm not doing it. Make it go away. So that
Speaker 1: gets weird, you know. And they were trying to tell
Speaker 1: him like, uh, we can't, it's like a law. He
Speaker 1: didn't care. And whose ideology lines up with that ideology?
Speaker 3: JJ?
Speaker 6: I mean, it's a it's a very Nazi like approach
Speaker 6: to doing business, it sounds like.
Speaker 1: And the Mormons like this is the timeframe where they
Speaker 1: are literally being pushed into doing some weird stuff right
Speaker 1: like that they didn't want to do.
Speaker 2: Yes, they kept that going to seventy eight, right, yes.
Speaker 1: Right around this mindframe. Do you know? Do you know
Speaker 1: what Nixon and we're going to bring him up Don
Speaker 1: Nixon said about the Mormons after they gave in that
Speaker 1: they were like basically mamby pamby like pieces of crap.
Speaker 1: And I think it very well may have been what
Speaker 1: helped bring his brother down, because he might have been
Speaker 1: talking crap way before it went on the papers. And
Speaker 1: you know, I think they were trying to tell them, look,
Speaker 1: we got to look right, just like polygamy, we got
Speaker 1: we gotta look better than we're looking right now, or
Speaker 1: this is not going to work. And I think they
Speaker 1: saw the writing on the wall and other people just didn't,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Interesting, And so these.
Speaker 1: Are the real photos from that kid. And this is
Speaker 1: a really famous photo and it's just really sad. There
Speaker 1: was one of his wife too, and he was holding
Speaker 1: a crucifix that somebody had given him at that time.
Speaker 1: So it's just a really sad situation. But when they
Speaker 1: did apprehend him, I have to tell you, guys, they
Speaker 1: said he had super human strength at five foot fourth
Speaker 1: than Eugene Caesar. Look at all these guys, they're huge
Speaker 1: compared to him. Sane, Eugene Caesar is a big boy,
Speaker 1: like he was big, and nobody could get the gun
Speaker 1: from him, nobody. But the funny thing about the gun
Speaker 1: is even in their own investigation, when they're trying to
Speaker 1: do all this stuff right, they blew it so bad.
Speaker 1: Then Eugene Caesar sold his gun. This gun was sold
Speaker 1: and not taken into custody, even though multiple people saw
Speaker 1: him pull his gun out at the time out of
Speaker 1: the shooting. He said he was getting ready to fire back,
Speaker 1: but he had it out of the holster. He sells
Speaker 1: it to this guy, Yoder is his last name. He
Speaker 1: puts a serial number. Everything this guy's got, you guys
Speaker 1: can look him up. He's still got pictures with the gun,
Speaker 1: the whole deal. And he's like, okay, I bought it,
Speaker 1: and he said, oh, I sold that a long time ago. No,
Speaker 1: he sold it right after this went down. And he
Speaker 1: told this yolder guy, hey, be careful with this gun.
Speaker 1: It was involved in a police shooting.
Speaker 5: Yoder.
Speaker 2: Huh, Like that sounds like a good German name, doesn't doesn't, Oh, it.
Speaker 1: Totally does, Yolder?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: What? And so this is interesting. But not only is
Speaker 1: that the interesting part. We've got the bullets where okay,
Speaker 1: this bullet, all these bullets they counted everywhere. I think
Speaker 1: they said there was a total of thirteen. Interesting number anyway,
Speaker 1: but his gun didn't hold thirteen rounds. We're talking old days, guys, okay,
Speaker 1: And it.
Speaker 5: Was very really quickly.
Speaker 1: You're good.
Speaker 5: Is thirteen a significant number in Mormon theology?
Speaker 1: No, I'm just being a smart Alec.
Speaker 5: No, it is a very metaphysically significant number. It's a
Speaker 5: cole right.
Speaker 1: But Mormons, no, they're not going to tell us if
Speaker 1: it is.
Speaker 5: But yes, I was just curious, thank you.
Speaker 1: Right, And so no way that this thing was was
Speaker 1: able to shoot off as many rounds and people died,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, not just RFK Paul Shrade was critically injured.
Speaker 1: There was I think reporter that got killed. I mean,
Speaker 1: multiple people are shot at this point, and yet they
Speaker 1: don't take the firearms. Are you crazy? They don't do
Speaker 1: any of the stuff, you know what they said that
Speaker 1: the Eugene Caesar said, I'd prefer not to be involved
Speaker 1: in the investigation. What I'm sure you would, But like
Speaker 1: I thought, we're doing real police work. So I don't
Speaker 1: think they did anything that they were supposed to do
Speaker 1: as far as this. They didn't take his handgun, they
Speaker 1: didn't run any test to see if he had gunpowder residue.
Speaker 1: They didn't do any of it. And so the LAPED
Speaker 1: really screwed this up. And this diagram from Thomas Nagucci
Speaker 1: is what killed him. Now you can see where it
Speaker 1: is that it shot like these shots are coming from behind,
Speaker 1: Sir hansor Hen was never behind RFK. Ever, the only
Speaker 1: person behind RFK is the Eugene Caesar, so they can
Speaker 1: say he wasn't the second shooter all day long, but
Speaker 1: this doesn't lie. So since and I don't know if
Speaker 1: you guys know that, Thomas Negucci, he decided because of
Speaker 1: all of the problems with JFK's autopsy, he called in
Speaker 1: the head of every single department from the Air Force,
Speaker 1: Marine Corps, all of them. He had, like all these
Speaker 1: heads of all these government things come in the doctors
Speaker 1: of them and watch him do this autopsy. They called
Speaker 1: it the perfect autopsy because it was so detailed and
Speaker 1: so watched. He just didn't want any more crap like
Speaker 1: what had happened with JFK. And so because this is
Speaker 1: like right after MLK, which we'll do as well, but
Speaker 1: I'm just saying like this is he knew it was
Speaker 1: a big deal. So what do they do to Thomas Negucci?
Speaker 1: Does anybody know? No? Do this hearing? So they completely
Speaker 1: destroy his character and try to get him thrown off
Speaker 1: the case because he won't play ball. And he was
Speaker 1: also the one did Marilyn minerals. He's considered the autopsies
Speaker 1: to the stars, like literally, and he would not change
Speaker 1: his story. They humiliated him, they said weird stuff about
Speaker 1: him getting naked and all kinds of weird things and
Speaker 1: autopsies try to get him thrown off the case and
Speaker 1: the damage was done. He refused to change his story,
Speaker 1: but it really hurt him and he actually lost his
Speaker 1: position for a short time and he sued them and
Speaker 1: got reinstated, but it really messed with him. It really
Speaker 1: messed with his career in life for the rest of
Speaker 1: his life because he wouldn't he would not belave all
Speaker 1: with him. He was not going to do that. And
Speaker 1: poor sir Han, Sirhan, he's off in prison forever, you know,
Speaker 1: and they don't even care. They just loved him there.
Speaker 1: And the bad thing is, like I said, he doesn't
Speaker 1: remember anything. He remembers zero, and so this is him.
Speaker 1: This is his newest picture. That's why I showed him
Speaker 1: side by side. This is sad. They wouldn't even let
Speaker 1: him out at age of seventy six to live with
Speaker 1: his brother because Newsom said so. But you know, the
Speaker 1: Kennedys RFK Junior is literally fighting for his release. So
Speaker 1: that tells you a lot. When you're talking about, like,
Speaker 1: you know, the whole family dynamic there. Am I still
Speaker 1: with you guys?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 5: Cool?
Speaker 1: All right, Well we're going to get a little bit
Speaker 1: into Mayhew again because Mayhew comes up in this and
Speaker 1: again this book that I'm going to reference is Age
Speaker 1: of Secrets. A lot of my information came from there,
Speaker 1: and then also through CIA FOYA docs and also through
Speaker 1: the websites I provided because people are always like, oh,
Speaker 1: well where did their research go from there? You go
Speaker 1: multiple multiple videos as well, So this is highly researched.
Speaker 1: I bet I put like twelve hours just in watch time,
Speaker 1: not even the rest of it's it's a big rabbit hole.
Speaker 1: But Mayhew comes up and in this book from John Meyer. Okay,
Speaker 1: John Meyer was the books guy for Howard Hughes for
Speaker 1: years and years and years. We talked about him a
Speaker 1: little bit last time. He's really important and he's basically
Speaker 1: ran out of the country. And John Herbert Meyer, he
Speaker 1: was responsible for Nixon's downfall. He was the most trusted
Speaker 1: courier of Hughes from nineteen sixty six to seventy. But
Speaker 1: what they did to him after that time because he
Speaker 1: wouldn't play ball on this whole situation. They forced him
Speaker 1: to flee from the US. He ended up fleeing to Canada.
Speaker 1: They ended up getting him for an accusation of murder
Speaker 1: and they locked him up for like a long time,
Speaker 1: and he finally got out and he was chased down
Speaker 1: by like the CIA and Tonga and England, Japan, all
Speaker 1: kinds of places like this is wild even charged him
Speaker 1: with tax fraud, forgery, all kinds of stuff. And basically
Speaker 1: he was completely threatened and stalked for years upon years
Speaker 1: upon years. And Bill Gay hired Meyer originally, and he
Speaker 1: was the one that also did all the AEC work
Speaker 1: for the bombs, and he was trying to get them
Speaker 1: to stop bombing. We all know why, right, the oicult
Speaker 1: connection there and the aliens and different stuff, because they
Speaker 1: kept telling them, what do they always tell, all of them,
Speaker 1: the nine all of them like stop bombing. Shit, stop it.
Speaker 1: They don't, you know, They're like, you're screwing everything up.
Speaker 1: So he was trying to say, this is the damage
Speaker 1: you're doing from setting these off out in the desert.
Speaker 1: And it was really upsetting to Hughes. This was his
Speaker 1: main the Atomic Energy Commission was his main contact for
Speaker 1: his job. And then then also currying back and forth.
Speaker 1: But one day after this all happened, he was called
Speaker 1: and he was told, we're meeting Don Nixon for breakfast,
Speaker 1: and schedule it for eight point thirty. And this is
Speaker 1: Mayhew and him and Don Nixon. For those that forgot,
Speaker 1: Don Nixon took a huge bribe from Howard Hughes. Technically,
Speaker 1: i'll say it correctly alone he didn't have to pay back. Okay, Ever,
Speaker 1: this is Don Nixon. This is the brother to Richard Nixon,
Speaker 1: and he's pretty much the downfall of Nixon. And he
Speaker 1: takes this money and starts a fast food chain. And
Speaker 1: he's a big player with Mayhew all the time. And
Speaker 1: he used to come in all the time and like
Speaker 1: talk to them, and they would, you know, do these breakfasts.
Speaker 1: So that wasn't out of the ordinary. So Mayhew and
Speaker 1: he show up to this breakfast and interesting enough, the
Speaker 1: first thing out of his mouth they embrace and hug
Speaker 1: and say, and I quote when Mayhew and Don seen
Speaker 1: each other, they hug and Mayhew said, Hey, don't worry
Speaker 1: that Prick is dead. It looks like your brother is
Speaker 1: in now. And it was the morning of RFK shooting,
Speaker 1: like the morning after when he was in the hospital.
Speaker 5: Hi, sorry, I just want to uh, sort of think
Speaker 5: back to something that we said the last recording is
Speaker 5: that you were saying that the hosts, whatever the elohem
Speaker 5: or whichever ones they said, we're telling them, oh, please
Speaker 5: don't use the nuclear bomb. There is a theosophical idea
Speaker 5: and maybe even a tontric idea that if you're using
Speaker 5: this process of like I guess fusion, like meeting of
Speaker 5: the polarities like the you're going to kill the hosts
Speaker 5: like that you're using the host as like the fuel.
Speaker 5: I know it sounds really weird, but there's a there's
Speaker 5: even an online cult it's called nuclear Orthodoxy. I know
Speaker 5: it sounds really bizarre, but ever since the Ukraine Russia
Speaker 5: stuff started, there's been like a lot of weird kind
Speaker 5: of like I don't know, religious things kind of rise
Speaker 5: to the surface. But they believe that they want Russia
Speaker 5: to use nukes. That's the idea anyway, is so then
Speaker 5: they kill off the aloheim, they kill off the host
Speaker 5: so they can only hear the boy so broad because
Speaker 5: Orthodoxy is very nondual, right, they say they have a
Speaker 5: non dual doctrine the theology, so they will relate to
Speaker 5: like the higher cabalistic spheres, they would not want the
Speaker 5: lower ones, or they would look at the kind of
Speaker 5: Mormon way of approaching as the lower suffra.
Speaker 1: Right right, No, sorry, I just wanted to say that. No,
Speaker 1: I think it's good. You know, we have to remember
Speaker 1: that the Bell helicopter and all of these different intricate
Speaker 1: things that Hughes is involved with, including the AEC and
Speaker 1: Meyer and all these politicians. Literally Hughes has quoted and
Speaker 1: don't don't come after me because I didn't write this
Speaker 1: one down as saying there would be no men like
Speaker 1: me if I couldn't buy men. I mean, let's be realistic.
Speaker 1: You know, we know that that man is fallible, and
Speaker 1: we know that these kind of things go on. But
Speaker 1: when I'm showing the actual proof of everything, it's very
Speaker 1: interesting that we can see like where this headed, I
Speaker 1: mean clearly, and so I'm going to stop the share.
Speaker 1: Let's see there we go. And so you know, with
Speaker 1: this book Age of Secrets, when you listen to it
Speaker 1: or read it, I did both, he goes into deep
Speaker 1: detail about like all of these things and exactly how
Speaker 1: this played into Hughes's empire. And really it was who
Speaker 1: calling the shots at the top of Hughes's empire, Gay
Speaker 1: and Gay is a Mormon, and all of their stuff aligns,
Speaker 1: you know, everything is aligning down from all of their theology,
Speaker 1: and so it doesn't take a far stretch for me
Speaker 1: to say, yeah, that makes total sense. You know this,
Speaker 1: this is all an aligned situation where all of these
Speaker 1: people are working for the same thing. Because we get
Speaker 1: back into Mayhew and what did Mayhew have connects with
Speaker 1: that weren't necessarily nefarious? I mean sort of right. He
Speaker 1: has connects, connections to am I six, he has connections
Speaker 1: to the X files. He has connections to Guy Banister
Speaker 1: because he worked with Guy Banister for ten years at
Speaker 1: the Chicago office of the FBI. So he's right in
Speaker 1: there with all of them. He literally had delivered politicians
Speaker 1: Nixon onassas, the King of Saudi Arabia, all these things
Speaker 1: he's been involved in and the Bay of Pigs that
Speaker 1: is where this begins. And Mayhew just is such a
Speaker 1: problem for them because he's completely utilized and can never
Speaker 1: go away. But him and Gay don't like each other,
Speaker 1: and so it's this constant like battle of who's going
Speaker 1: to have the king.
Speaker 6: Right involved in the Bay pigs being an anti castro Cuban.
Speaker 6: Was he one of the forces trained at all? Is
Speaker 6: there any record of that?
Speaker 1: I would There is no proof, but I would bet
Speaker 1: good money on that because every single time I look
Speaker 1: back to all of these things. I haven't done the
Speaker 1: deep dive on MLK yet, but I bet it will
Speaker 1: do the same. It comes up with a few things.
Speaker 1: They have pigs incident, the Bush Clan and Hughes and
Speaker 1: the Mormons. It's like always the same situation and you're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: what's the deal? But in Age of Secrets, Meyer says
Speaker 1: that he after they took Hughes on Thanksgiving and James O.
Speaker 1: Golden the Mormon took him and threw him on a
Speaker 1: plane and hurt him in the process, that he was
Speaker 1: never the same, and that he died way before they
Speaker 1: said he did, and that they took him there Meyer
Speaker 1: and saw him in a frozen cryogenic state like he
Speaker 1: wanted to be. That it wasn't real, like what they did,
Speaker 1: because they supposedly buried him the next day. No, none
Speaker 1: of it was real. And he said, I literally sat
Speaker 1: there staring at him in this cryogenic chamber that I
Speaker 1: purchased for him. He purchased it, and this guy is
Speaker 1: literally ran out of town, and I mean it was bad.
Speaker 1: And of course we have to remember Riboso's involved in
Speaker 1: this and all kinds, you know.
Speaker 2: With the bo There you go.
Speaker 6: I was gonna say, let's not forget the may Ad
Speaker 6: to the mob angle of all this, with that Chicago
Speaker 6: can actually mentioned. I actually didn't didn't know may you
Speaker 6: worked for Banister. I know it was the FBI, I
Speaker 6: didn't know work for Banister in Chicago. But that's interesting
Speaker 6: considering this the Chicago mob element that's all connected to
Speaker 6: everything you're described.
Speaker 1: Yes, he was there for years. I did forget to
Speaker 1: also mention this one other person that comes up and
Speaker 1: also ties right back to the Mormons. Azertat Benson's beloved
Speaker 1: John Birch Society was funded by H. L. Hunt, the
Speaker 1: white supremacist, the wealthiest man in America at that time.
Speaker 1: Hunt was the financial backer of the NI and Elijah
Speaker 1: Muhammad due to their support for black separation from white
Speaker 1: No wonder Ezer Tath Benson knew so much about secret
Speaker 1: combinations there.
Speaker 6: You just mentioned another ancient alien cargo cult with the
Speaker 6: Nation of Islam. But let's also not forget the process
Speaker 6: here with another In fact, the show You and I
Speaker 6: recently did, he.
Speaker 1: Talking about coming out Sunday.
Speaker 6: Actually he was coming up sooner and he said that
Speaker 6: we discussed the cross servers with the process in the Mormons.
Speaker 6: But relative to FBI situation with the guy Banister Mayhew,
Speaker 6: you know, Tommy ju Baumber would go be working out
Speaker 6: of his office in New Orleans after he retires from
Speaker 6: the FBI. And Tommy Bamber being the guy who incorporated
Speaker 6: the process.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: And guess who else he was involved with. Johnny Roselli,
Speaker 1: he's involved with Sam g and Conna. He's involved with
Speaker 1: He was actually the one that infiltrated gen Conna by
Speaker 1: pretending like he was a mobster. So nice, it was all.
Speaker 6: Those were the Chicago mobsters I was referring to right there,
Speaker 6: You just naw. Gen Conna and Rosselli, those are.
Speaker 1: Very important characters, yes, and they were huge in this
Speaker 1: whole CASI situation because he had to actually like talk
Speaker 1: them into getting the hotels for Hughes. And then who
Speaker 1: shows up, Oh that's right, e Perry Thomas, our Mormon
Speaker 1: financier who does what He's smart as hell. He freaking
Speaker 1: incorporates it and he takes it and he's like, oh
Speaker 1: now it's ours. You can't skim off the top, bye, bitches,
Speaker 1: Like that was what happened, and so like who do
Speaker 1: you think that money goes to? Like Howard Hughes Medical
Speaker 1: Center was the shell company for everything, and why did
Speaker 1: that happen so that Howard Hughes could get that huge
Speaker 1: tax break. Let's not forget it was this payoff from
Speaker 1: Nixon that they had already. The RIRs had already said no,
Speaker 1: we're not doing it. And guess what Nixon pushed it through.
Speaker 1: So this is a big like spider web of money.
Speaker 1: But here's the funniest part. You dumb us has already
Speaker 1: have all the money, Like what do you need more
Speaker 1: money for pay taxes? Like? What the hell is wrong
Speaker 1: with you? People? Like this is crazy to me that
Speaker 1: he had so much money that he just couldn't I mean,
Speaker 1: were you ever going to spend it in your life?
Speaker 1: Because he still has the money and it's still in
Speaker 1: Howard Hughes Medical there's so much money, it's like allocated
Speaker 1: a certain amount per year because he did forever and
Speaker 1: it's still and gets no and his cousin ended up
Speaker 1: with like a bunch of it. But like all of
Speaker 1: this stuff goes back under the Howard Hughes Medical And
Speaker 1: that's why when it came time for Gay to say,
Speaker 1: is this Howard Hughes's writing or not with the will
Speaker 1: the Mormon will that took thirty four years right to settle,
Speaker 1: he said, oh, it's not. Why did he say it's
Speaker 1: not when that showed up at the Mormon church buildings
Speaker 1: because he had more power running the medical center the
Speaker 1: way it was. He didn't want it to go to
Speaker 1: the church because that takes away his power. And he
Speaker 1: ran that up into like two years before he died.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about skimming off the top.
Speaker 6: I mean, I have a suggestion to whe they're doing
Speaker 6: all this money, Hattie.
Speaker 1: Oh please, do you tell other than building the Vatican?
Speaker 6: No, No, they're all these people you're talking about, Hughes included, right,
Speaker 6: the Lockheed, Fella Enrich, the mothership in Salt Lake. They're
Speaker 6: all trying to get off this planet because they, you know,
Speaker 6: do their cargo Coldbuler.
Speaker 1: Systems one hundred percent. They believe that like they won't.
Speaker 1: And the fun you know what, JJ, The funny part
Speaker 1: is the reason why I know you're right, is because
Speaker 1: they deny it. We don't get what are you talking about, Colob.
Speaker 1: There's no cool Ob. We don't have planets anymore, there's
Speaker 1: no virgins. What do you mean?
Speaker 2: Same tale scientology tells it's folks.
Speaker 6: When we start talking about xeno and to reach a
Speaker 6: certain level, the Mormons do the same business.
Speaker 1: In my opinion, exactly, And I think it's even worse
Speaker 1: than the Mormons know because the Mormons are now the
Speaker 1: goyam and they are actually using feminine energy and magic practices,
Speaker 1: which I will prove when we come back on and
Speaker 1: talk about this whole Nathan, doctor Nathan from Yale and Harvard,
Speaker 1: and these family connections of well, Massachusetts. How about we
Speaker 1: go back to the fact that you know, Joseph Smith's
Speaker 1: great great grandpa was huge up in Massachusetts. He was
Speaker 1: a statesman. He was involved in the Boston Tea Party.
Speaker 1: What the hell are you talking about? He's a poor farmer.
Speaker 1: His brother and his uncle were a mastery and genuall
Speaker 1: love this. He had a mastery of almost like Jesuit knowledge,
Speaker 1: and they were teaching them these mystery things. He was
Speaker 1: at the Indian School, and I never could figure out
Speaker 1: why why did Hiram go to the Indian school? I
Speaker 1: couldn't find it. Finally, this weekend, I fell down the
Speaker 1: rabbit hole so hard I hit my little head and
Speaker 1: I was like, look, this is because this other other cousin,
Speaker 1: Johnny Smith, worked also at Dartmouth, who had high room.
Speaker 1: Come there for a professional education to be a priest
Speaker 1: to the Indians. And this was set up all by
Speaker 1: like actual people that are high up. The actually professor
Speaker 1: Johnny started the Church of Christ and the pre existence
Speaker 1: and all the ship that we're always talk about at church.
Speaker 1: It wasn't even Joseph Smith. The Church of Christ was
Speaker 1: started by his uncle or cousin whatever, and it's Professor
Speaker 1: Johnny and then Nathan Smith. They say, oh, he's not related.
Speaker 1: I found it all on your own stupid website FamilySearch
Speaker 1: dot org. He is two, he is a moment.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is great. Found it on your own site.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly like you. Yeah, they both are. Well not
Speaker 1: if you still have a member ID but whatever.
Speaker 3: I used to use it to look up.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I still got mine too. It comes in Handy's
Speaker 6: doing Jenny'll work.
Speaker 1: They haven't kicked me out yet because I'm like I'm
Speaker 1: like Morgan Taylor. Yeah, I don't know if they're ever
Speaker 1: going to talk to me, but I don't care if
Speaker 1: they do. If they do, they do. But this whole
Speaker 1: Dartmouth thing, why it never also made sense to me?
Speaker 1: Where did he go after the fact he goes and
Speaker 1: starts a medical school at Yale? He started this at
Speaker 1: Dartmouth and then moves on to Yale, And what the
Speaker 1: hell is set up here in Utah? Skull and bones?
Speaker 1: I mean, it doesn't take a scientist, really, you know.
Speaker 1: And guess what disappeared when Hiram disappeared. You know why
Speaker 1: the whole college he didn't get his full education. Guess
Speaker 1: why because there was a grave robbing court and they
Speaker 1: were like you mother, efforts, stop taking our dead relatives.
Speaker 1: Get the hell out. They drove them out, closed the
Speaker 1: school and he was like within months of finishing his
Speaker 1: whole education that he stayed at Dartmouth. There and they
Speaker 1: ran them all out of town, which is why they
Speaker 1: went to Palmyra. Nobody wants to talk about this. And
Speaker 1: guess what they took with them because they couldn't find
Speaker 1: it after they left the scott a chronic con Oh
Speaker 1: they did, and the uncle owned a rare bookshop, Like,
Speaker 1: come on, it's stupid. They're not poor Dom farmers.
Speaker 5: Okay, so this is something really interesting. I'm sorry to interrupt,
Speaker 5: but no, I love it. I So okay, first question
Speaker 5: is was it the Church of Christ or the Church
Speaker 5: of Light.
Speaker 1: Church of Christ was the first?
Speaker 5: Okay, so that I actually like this. I get if
Speaker 5: we're saying like a theory of origin story for Mormonism
Speaker 5: as like this Martinist magical solemonic yeah, Christian surgical, hermeticist
Speaker 5: kind of American syncretic magic. They're obviously drawing from Native Americans,
Speaker 5: just as Thomas Jefferson famously did. Look at the Mohawks.
Speaker 5: We also know that the uh JJ and I have
Speaker 5: discussed this, like the Mohawks seekert societies.
Speaker 1: There is I'm just gonna lay this out for you
Speaker 1: because you mentioned this, so you're not wrong. Do you
Speaker 1: want to know how Dartmouth College was started by Reverend
Speaker 1: Sanson a come and he was a Christianized heaven Native
Speaker 1: American and some people call him Samuel and he was
Speaker 1: where where was he from? Oh? Oh Naida? Okay, So
Speaker 1: Dartmouth was started by this guy and Robert Burns Okay,
Speaker 1: and these people and bez Bizill I can't say this name.
Speaker 1: Be Easy a L e A L. Woodward. Yes, basically
Speaker 1: it's not the bub, but it's like half of it. Diazel,
Speaker 1: I don't know. And the grandpa's name is a Zazel.
Speaker 1: Wait it's a Ziel.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And they're all from Topsfield, Massachusetts. And there's no people
Speaker 1: here because we're callingizing America and they don't know each
Speaker 1: other and they're not related.
Speaker 2: Sounds like some occult names though, right right.
Speaker 1: You want to see the girls. You gotta see the girls.
Speaker 1: Zena my great great ancestor. All these weird names and
Speaker 1: I'm like, wait a minute, it doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1: All Lucy Maxmiths are very very Abrahamic type names like Moses,
Speaker 1: and you know, all these Solomon and all these things.
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, she knew some stuff too, she knew.
Speaker 6: And I mean to speak of these Yel connections, Heidie,
Speaker 6: it brings to mind one of the one interesting figure
Speaker 6: in the Mormon you know, uh and history, and that's
Speaker 6: uh Zena Diantha Xena or Zena Diantha Huntington.
Speaker 1: That's my relative.
Speaker 2: Yes, your ancestors.
Speaker 6: Okay, where are you from the bringing young marriage or
Speaker 6: the j Justph Smith unofficial children.
Speaker 1: I not not official with Brigham, I'm pretty sure, but
Speaker 1: I had out yesterday trying to find it. Yeah, my grandma, No,
Speaker 1: I think it's on young side because she married young
Speaker 1: because Zena, it's Taylor Young and so she marries into that,
Speaker 1: and so she's.
Speaker 2: The Huntington, right. So the Huntington's were very interesting family.
Speaker 6: She marries both Joseph and Brigham, you know, you know,
Speaker 6: and then it starts the Women's Relief Society, right, She's
Speaker 6: credited with that, I believe, and you know, the the
Speaker 6: hunting A number of the Huntings would do a number
Speaker 6: of things there aside from being the folks that started
Speaker 6: the Skull and Bones you're mentioning. That's Samuel Huntington, Russell
Speaker 6: Rights and the Hales.
Speaker 1: The Hales come into this, and so I just think
Speaker 1: it's interesting. Oh, I didn't look up the first name.
Speaker 1: All all tell you the next time we see each other.
Speaker 6: But I didn't know we were getting a lieutenant. That
Speaker 6: he was Lieutenant's murdered in the Revolution. He's coveted as
Speaker 6: this spy figure in American history.
Speaker 1: Well, Samuel, his great great grandpa was the one that
Speaker 1: organized the Boston Tea Party. And what happened at the
Speaker 1: Boston Tea Party. I'm talking about Joseph his great great grandpa.
Speaker 1: And so what happened was they dressed up as what
Speaker 1: Native Americans. Oh, does that sound like the Mormon massacre?
Speaker 1: Like much like come on right, and it's the same
Speaker 1: damn thing. And they said he literally was the statesman
Speaker 1: Samuel Smith, Captain Samuel Smith, and he was over this
Speaker 1: whole thing, and he arranged it, and he didn't go
Speaker 1: to it because he was like, oh, you peasants, go
Speaker 1: do it, like I'm not going. But like he was
Speaker 1: having the town meeting about the Boston Tea Party, literally
Speaker 1: Joseph's family.
Speaker 6: So you just you just said what I was the
Speaker 6: point I was hoping to bring in here with these families,
Speaker 6: is you said captain right? So I mean he was
Speaker 6: a member of the the secret society that started America,
Speaker 6: the Society of the Cincinnati Right.
Speaker 1: So Captain Ashale too, not Azel. Aziel's dad was Aushale,
Speaker 1: I believe it was him, also a captain.
Speaker 6: So these are the folks, this organization of the officers
Speaker 6: of Washington's army in the Revolution. And again a very
Speaker 6: interesting one there, being involved in the tea party situations
Speaker 6: as well. Right, So these men all were fascinated, had
Speaker 6: a deep fascination with the mounds, and so do the Mormons.
Speaker 2: So I don't know what's your take on the Mormons
Speaker 2: and their Mountain interests.
Speaker 1: Oh, for sure, it's all the same. It's just, you know,
Speaker 1: the Mormons just slapped a different label on the same
Speaker 1: thing we've always talked about because it's more acceptable to
Speaker 1: be a Christian denomination of whatever then. And if they
Speaker 1: hadn't done the pligamy, honestly, it probably would have freaking
Speaker 1: took off. Like, honestly, if he'd have left that alone
Speaker 1: and could have kept it in his pants and not
Speaker 1: had scrapes and barns, we would probably there wuld probably
Speaker 1: be Mormons everywhere, not that there's not a lot of them, okay,
Speaker 1: but I mean.
Speaker 6: I don't think that assassination of Joseph Smith was purely Masonic.
Speaker 6: This is what I'm getting at with the Society of
Speaker 6: the Cincinnati. So I argue that the the hereditary members,
Speaker 6: the members today that gain it, you know, membership through
Speaker 6: the bloodline.
Speaker 2: Of their father, through their father's father back to the Revolution,
Speaker 2: These men.
Speaker 3: Once.
Speaker 2: Once one of these.
Speaker 6: Hereditary members gets elected president, that seems to be controversial
Speaker 6: amongst this crowd. For example, Henry Harrison dies thirty one
Speaker 6: days into office, right, Abraham Lincoln's marked while he's in office.
Speaker 6: His grandfather was a captain in the Virginia Militia in
Speaker 6: the Wars of seventeen seventy six. And Joseph Smith being
Speaker 6: an hereditary member who by his own accord, he claimed
Speaker 6: he was going to be president and dispatch diplomats around the.
Speaker 2: World preceding his and ran for president, right right.
Speaker 6: So I think that's that was a big impetus behind
Speaker 6: that is whatever goes on within these society crowd. They
Speaker 6: don't like hereditary members also being the president the United States,
Speaker 6: because by virtue of being President of United States, you're
Speaker 6: a member of that society in some way.
Speaker 1: I think you have the divine right to rule on
Speaker 1: top of it, which he spoke about because it leads
Speaker 1: into the Kingston clan who says what they're Mayrivingian And
Speaker 1: when I I don't know, JJ, if you're like Mormon pioneer,
Speaker 1: are you Mormon pioneer? Did you have your DNA done?
Speaker 2: I'm not a Mormon pioneer. We're a convert. We're a
Speaker 2: convert the West Virginia Converts.
Speaker 1: I'm a Mormon pioneer company. And let me tell you something.
Speaker 1: When I pull up my DNA thing, it looks like
Speaker 1: I should have a crown on my head. It's nuts.
Speaker 1: Like I'm related to all the presidents, almost all all
Speaker 1: these you know. I'm in the like bourbon fit house,
Speaker 1: a bourbon house of New Orleans. I'm related to all
Speaker 1: these fancy people. And you are like, Okay, what did
Speaker 1: they do? Did they take this is what I postulate
Speaker 1: to start the new world? Did they take children that
Speaker 1: were super important and hide them in plain sight for
Speaker 1: a later culling of the blood and they're looking for
Speaker 1: it now?
Speaker 5: Okay, Heidi, let me just interruct you.
Speaker 2: There is a I mean sort of answer.
Speaker 5: Yes, there is a concept like most French Canadians can
Speaker 5: trace their ancestry. I'm not talking about Husian though, so
Speaker 5: we're talking about French Catholics. About most French Canadians can
Speaker 5: trace her ancestry back to eleven feet of wak children
Speaker 5: daughters of the crown. So it's even interesting obviously metaphysical number.
Speaker 5: So just so most people even including me, can trace
Speaker 5: at least maternal mRNA line back to these girls. So
Speaker 5: it is very interesting if you think about it. Like
Speaker 5: what you're saying, something that Lisa has talked about too,
Speaker 5: is like there's this idea that the daughter is like
Speaker 5: the progenitor because she carries with her all the eggs
Speaker 5: that are going to be with her for her whole life.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. And why did they want Mormons to have
Speaker 1: so many kids and pro create the line and the
Speaker 1: Kingstons just so you know, jin they keep it in
Speaker 1: the family and they are like Egyptians and marry their
Speaker 1: sisters and shit. And they do this because they say
Speaker 1: they're the bloodline of Jesus Christ.
Speaker 6: That's a good point, Annie, because all these families think
Speaker 6: that idea. So you're talking about your lineage that are
Speaker 6: cousins with all these presidents, Well, that's because all these
Speaker 6: presidents and your lineage go back to the to the
Speaker 6: Knight's templar and so on and so forth, back through
Speaker 6: the Normans, and they claim to be marior of Ngians
Speaker 6: from the from the birth of you know, from the
Speaker 6: line of Jesus. They're Jesus and Mary, not the Catholics.
Speaker 6: Jesus and Mary, right.
Speaker 1: Not the Christians. Why think about it, JJ, This is
Speaker 1: why the whole story. And I got called out on
Speaker 1: a certain podcast, and I'm just going to say, you
Speaker 1: can call me out all day, but I do my research.
Speaker 1: When I said Jesus banged Mary, or I mean God
Speaker 1: banged Mary to make Jesus, that is what they told
Speaker 1: us when we were little. And I showed it in
Speaker 1: receipts and made a dumb little song because I'm telling
Speaker 1: you this. That is what they've always said. And here's
Speaker 1: the problem with your own theology. If you don't believe
Speaker 1: it's true, you can't be a god one day.
Speaker 2: If you don't think so, you gotta believe it first, right, Yeah, Well.
Speaker 1: You got to believe that you were, that God was
Speaker 1: like a man that became a god, and that you
Speaker 1: can become a God just like God did. That is
Speaker 1: the theology. That he was not placed there by Holy Spirit.
Speaker 1: In the Mormon theology, it was and I'll quote it
Speaker 1: so it sounds nicer because I said it, Krass, I'll
Speaker 1: say it. They said he was born of earthly wants,
Speaker 1: and what are they saying? Not needs earthly desires like
Speaker 1: any other man? Brigod Young.
Speaker 5: Okay, sorry, I want you I just want to correct
Speaker 5: the record. So it's eight hundred Daughters of the Crown,
Speaker 5: but most French Channings can trace their lineage back to
Speaker 5: seventeen girls in particular, so it was a magic number,
Speaker 5: just not the one I thought it was. So I
Speaker 5: just want to say, but it's interesting, Heidi, what you're
Speaker 5: saying right now because Nick inviting me on to interview
Speaker 5: a really interesting guy. I won't say until that episode drops,
Speaker 5: but he associated with Temple sent and so he actually
Speaker 5: is talking about very similar things that they believe like
Speaker 5: almost identical, to be honest.
Speaker 1: Well, and what Masonic lodge did Joseph Smith join the
Speaker 1: French Canadian one? And what Native Americans did they say
Speaker 1: to in breed with Mick mac i am some.
Speaker 5: So their flag is a templar flag. It even has
Speaker 5: the sun and the moon and the star, and it's
Speaker 5: a red cross obviously, and that even the chief of
Speaker 5: the mickmocks he went into a magical battle. This is
Speaker 5: what they said, for seven days against the Jesuit. I
Speaker 5: guess they were like priests or whatever they were, but
Speaker 5: that's what it was like, A three of them it's
Speaker 5: a magic story obviously, and so based he summons a
Speaker 5: shark and does like storms and but then the Jesuits win.
Speaker 5: So what happens is the Judge of the priests or
Speaker 5: the excuse me, the chief, he actually converts. He's like
Speaker 5: the magic of the Jesuits was way more powerful, and
Speaker 5: so him and all of his wives are actually buried
Speaker 5: out of star for it. It's kind of interesting, it
Speaker 5: is true.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 6: I love that I can sell this nicknack mystery. The
Speaker 6: uh it's why they got the templar connections. So anyone
Speaker 6: can look up any folks of the interwebs, maybe all
Speaker 6: folks I'm not familiar with the storyline can look up
Speaker 6: Lowncew Meadows. It's in modern day Nova Scotia, New Scotland,
Speaker 6: you know, kind of like the Templars of Old Scotland.
Speaker 6: Lownsal Meadows was settled in I believe ten sixty six
Speaker 6: that they agree on ten sixty six.
Speaker 2: An interesting time.
Speaker 6: That's when the Normans invaded the UK sicily and clearly America,
Speaker 6: you know what is now Nova Scotia, and the Normans
Speaker 6: again were the ancestors to the Knight's Templar.
Speaker 1: Well it makes more sense when you put in Martinism
Speaker 1: with it. If it's Night's Templar, and then they are
Speaker 1: just you know, carrying on the actual magical practices of
Speaker 1: the Martinism part. You know, they also have the the
Speaker 1: elect nine, you know, with Elli's Cohen and all this
Speaker 1: stuff of the election.
Speaker 6: It does go back that far, Heidi, it really doesn't
Speaker 6: speaking to these bloo George Washington was was the descendant
Speaker 6: from ten of the Templar knights that signed Magna Carta,
Speaker 6: and and so these families still, you know, it's not
Speaker 6: just the Kingston's, These families continue to even outside the
Speaker 6: Mormon Church, the elements of the blue Bloods of New
Speaker 6: England where the Mormons you know, came from. As you're describing,
Speaker 6: these families still intertwined today. I mean, looking at my
Speaker 6: DNA test and family trees, I'm I'm shocked I don't
Speaker 6: have a seventy IQ web feet and the recessed chin line,
Speaker 6: because that's literally how mbred my tree is.
Speaker 2: It's more of a family poll than a tree.
Speaker 1: Well then we get into okay, we come to Utah
Speaker 1: and it's what called desiret. What does desiret mean? Okay,
Speaker 1: it means the bees. Right, it's bees. And then what
Speaker 1: do the bees have to do with anything? Right, We've
Speaker 1: got it. A bee happway to be have stay? Oh,
Speaker 1: I know because it goes back to Mavigi.
Speaker 3: Isn't there one on like every boat or something? I
Speaker 3: could be wrong. I came over here.
Speaker 1: Well here's the thing too. Is Napoleon Bonaparte when he
Speaker 1: took back his throne and he was Marivingian bloodline, he
Speaker 1: and his wife on the day that they were And
Speaker 1: if you put it on there, if you do coronation
Speaker 1: outfit or Napoleon's bee cloak, they sew bees onto their
Speaker 1: cloaks to symbolize that they are Marivingian. And what does
Speaker 1: he say that he is? He's a mere Ofvngian from
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ. That's what Joseph says. And so obviously, like
Speaker 1: I said, not just presidents, but royalty comes up all
Speaker 1: over my line where I'm a pioneer heritage, not that
Speaker 1: it matters for here. I'm just talking about bloodlines. I'm
Speaker 1: talking about what were they doing and how are they
Speaker 1: tricking people like one of my great great grandpa's talbot,
Speaker 1: who was you know, actually in the line they tried
Speaker 1: to get him to come back, and he was like no,
Speaker 1: and he settled in Kaysville to be a poor farmer.
Speaker 1: Why would you do that if not for something really important,
Speaker 1: not in this life, right right?
Speaker 6: If I may give you a fun fact about to
Speaker 6: pulling Bonaparte there, Heidi, he's also a member of that
Speaker 6: same group, the Society the Cincinnati.
Speaker 2: The French have their own chapter.
Speaker 6: He was a major during the French Revolution, the French
Speaker 6: Revolution in the American Revolution were sold to separate revolutions,
Speaker 6: is same same, and so he's on the French chapter.
Speaker 1: Well, and obviously these were magical people because like they're
Speaker 1: all hailing from Massachusetts, like his great great grandpa was
Speaker 1: involved Joseph Smith in the inquisition on the accusatory side,
Speaker 1: as we've mentioned. But all of this stuff goes back
Speaker 1: to royals, like we can see it, and it didn't
Speaker 1: just come out of the air. These people didn't really
Speaker 1: get down on their knees and pray this ship up.
Speaker 1: Let's get real, that's not happening. This is a this
Speaker 1: is mystery schools. Well, you know that.
Speaker 3: Isn't it?
Speaker 1: Both It's like they both like totally.
Speaker 5: He says that that angel speaks to them, right, That's
Speaker 5: what everybody says. That's like every magician's favorite story is
Speaker 5: it speaks to me. But and it can be both
Speaker 5: ancient and like new and that's fine, And I'm not
Speaker 5: making a judgment. I'm just saying it's a little bit
Speaker 5: of both. And it always kind of is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and why does every profit until like way later
Speaker 1: have a staff like a cane but like stuff and
Speaker 1: and yeah, I mean it's right there, but people just
Speaker 1: they took it underground because people were getting killed. And
Speaker 1: I think they just were like, we got to keep
Speaker 1: this on the d L for the top of the top.
Speaker 4: One thing I just want to add real quick. You know,
Speaker 4: you mentioned the Micmacs and then you mentioned freemasony and stuff.
Speaker 4: You know, sometimes I do wonder or I do think
Speaker 4: that sometimes the cult this me actually be influenced by
Speaker 4: stuff that I needive Americans were into and this is like,
Speaker 4: you know, one of the symbols for Mick Mac and uh.
Speaker 4: I do want to like show them like I because
Speaker 4: I had this book. Well I had a copy of
Speaker 4: the PDF.
Speaker 1: Very nice.
Speaker 3: I mean it's basically the same shit.
Speaker 1: Well, they called Joseph Smith the Hermetic prophet for a reason.
Speaker 5: I mean, he was able to see beyond like the
Speaker 5: droppings of his system. That's very American too, Like we
Speaker 5: spoke about this a little bit last time, but there's
Speaker 5: something very like syncretic about America, Like who comes here
Speaker 5: and like even like Martinism. Martinism, they'll say they're Protestant,
Speaker 5: but they're taking like a little bit from Promessism, a
Speaker 5: little from Rosicrucianism. Like everybody's like kind of putting their
Speaker 5: own system together. It's never like as as they like
Speaker 5: to pretend.
Speaker 1: Well, because they probably lose things along the way. I'll
Speaker 1: pull up that. I think the Martinist star is really
Speaker 1: similar to that too. Just off at the top of
Speaker 1: my mind.
Speaker 6: I just find it interesting with regarding these ceremonial, magical
Speaker 6: elements and whatnot of the Mormon theologies and philosophies. Here,
Speaker 6: why you know, they find the Golden place in the
Speaker 6: mound they move, they set up shopping cartland, and a
Speaker 6: mound they go to. They go to Independence, Missouri on
Speaker 6: a mound.
Speaker 2: They set up in Nowve on a mound.
Speaker 6: Now, arguably I have no evidence that Salt Lake City
Speaker 6: had any mounds, but I suspect they did. Who's gonna
Speaker 6: tell us because they're the first ones there. They're not
Speaker 6: gonna be like, oh shit, we found Mount.
Speaker 1: JJ. Do you remember the cartoon when we were little kids.
Speaker 1: I don't know whenever you saw it, but when I
Speaker 1: was a little kid. If you're a convert, it might
Speaker 1: have been later for you. But there was this cartoon
Speaker 1: where they showed the blocks for the temple being moved
Speaker 1: by magic, where they like pointed to them and it
Speaker 1: was like boing, like this weird seventies going and it
Speaker 1: would just show the blocks being moved and I'm like,
Speaker 1: totally makes sense, Like, don't have to sell me on it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: those blocks were far away from that quarry and they
Speaker 1: were very heavy.
Speaker 5: Well, Salt Lake City, Sorry, Heidi, just thought of us
Speaker 5: for JJ. But and also next point was really good.
Speaker 5: I didn't realize how deep it was until I shut up.
Speaker 5: But well, isn't it interesting that Salt Lake City could
Speaker 5: be sort of thought of as a polarity to Mexico
Speaker 5: City because the youth Indians who well, the native people
Speaker 5: of the youths, they they are the ones who became
Speaker 5: the Aztecs.
Speaker 1: Oh you know about the Romney family, in Mexico. That
Speaker 1: gets great interesting.
Speaker 5: So if you believe like there's like like JJ's loves
Speaker 5: the mound. So it's like that makes sense because it's
Speaker 5: like America is like if you build it, the host
Speaker 5: will come. I guess if you want to make a
Speaker 5: cargo star Star God Joe.
Speaker 1: JJ, do you really think that the temple was fully
Speaker 1: built here? I think it was already premature existing. I
Speaker 1: think it was partially here already.
Speaker 2: I have a lot of questions. I have a lot
Speaker 2: of questions in regard to a lot of Mormon history.
Speaker 6: And if I can give you one example, I've spent
Speaker 6: most of my summers of my life, especially as an adult,
Speaker 6: even in my Air Force career.
Speaker 2: Take two weeks in my thirty days in.
Speaker 6: Vermont, and over the years, I started doing genealogy research
Speaker 6: with my grandfather.
Speaker 2: And he's not a Mormon. I'm a Mormon. They got
Speaker 2: me real young.
Speaker 6: They sprinkled some some stuff on me, giving one of
Speaker 6: these as an infant in Connecticut when I was a baby.
Speaker 6: So my mother was a convert from West Virginia, but
Speaker 6: she was a convert to the DC ward right with
Speaker 6: long of their friend Bob Bennett.
Speaker 1: That's sonny boy is a bad boy. He looks nice, but.
Speaker 6: His nephew was my was my bishop as a teenager
Speaker 6: in Cincinnati. Strangely enough, a lot a lot of founding
Speaker 6: Mormon families in that war. Not sure what that's about.
Speaker 6: But this guy in this town in Huntington, Vermont. In fact,
Speaker 6: it's a town named after the Huntington family because the
Speaker 6: guy who founded it a member of the Society of
Speaker 6: the Cincinnati out of the Connecticut Chapter. He his mother
Speaker 6: was a Huntington, so he named the town after his mother.
Speaker 6: But he died in eighteen twenty six, and for some reason,
Speaker 6: his last one in testament says he does not want
Speaker 6: to be baptized for the dead by those Mormons.
Speaker 1: So I'm not sure how that in my will. I'm
Speaker 1: going to put that in my will too.
Speaker 6: But in eighteen twenty six, how does that happen? In
Speaker 6: eighteen twenty six, there is no baptism for the dead,
Speaker 6: There is no Oh wow, this is a guy again.
Speaker 6: This is your ancestors. And Diana the Huntingon Huntington would
Speaker 6: have been a first cousin and second cousin to this guy.
Speaker 1: I will find out which I pulled that dumb chart
Speaker 1: out yesterday's.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we'll have to converse with those. This guy's a
Speaker 6: Huntington via his mother, Martha Huntington. Martha Huntington is also
Speaker 6: the grandmother to useless Aess Grant Well.
Speaker 1: And then the Welsh, all the Welsh history that comes
Speaker 1: over here with them. You know, the very first book
Speaker 1: of Mormon ever copied over into another language is Welsh.
Speaker 1: Why because there were so many of them that came
Speaker 1: to that area that were easily converted. I mean because
Speaker 1: it was already They kind of had some magic in
Speaker 1: their pocket, right, like they new some stuff. So I
Speaker 1: think really wild, No, you're good.
Speaker 5: When you were talking about like the interbreeding with the
Speaker 5: indigenous people, I was thinking, like they And then the
Speaker 5: Welsh thing, well, they used the Saint George flag. That's
Speaker 5: like they're one of their patrons saints. It's it's sort
Speaker 5: of murky, right because.
Speaker 1: There's Saint George is the town in Utah, and there
Speaker 1: was a George h can it or now George Smith
Speaker 1: not George A Smith, George Smith that was actually referred
Speaker 1: to as Saint George.
Speaker 5: Oh well, in Canada it was predominantly sorry, sorry, Jada,
Speaker 5: predominantly here it was Scottish and French men who married
Speaker 5: Native women, and that's who were the treaty signatories. J
Speaker 5: J and I have discussed this quite at line because
Speaker 5: I find it very interesting for like, especially Western American history,
Speaker 5: but it's not really American, but it takes place a
Speaker 5: lot in America, like the story of the Meyiti Rebellion
Speaker 5: sort of this French Republican uprising very similar to probably
Speaker 5: funded by the certain Napoleonic factions against the British crown.
Speaker 5: They that that takes place in Montana a large part
Speaker 5: of that story. So it's just really interesting because we're
Speaker 5: talking like they're talking like this messianic It sounds very
Speaker 5: ghost dance religion to me.
Speaker 1: Being and they wanted to make them white. I mean
Speaker 1: that was the quote from Brigham Young. Was to marry
Speaker 1: the natives so that they could make them more white
Speaker 1: and delightsome and by their children.
Speaker 6: You mentioned the families of the Mormons. Cut out my back.
Speaker 6: Oh you mentioned back you met the pioneering families. Isn't
Speaker 6: it strange? And again, no disrespect to your pioneering heritage,
Speaker 6: isn't it strange? The political power of the pioneering family
Speaker 6: still maintain in the West.
Speaker 1: Oh, I mean, it doesn't just happen, it's it's it's
Speaker 1: set up. There's a hierarchy here, and we see it
Speaker 1: in this case with RFK that what the hell would
Speaker 1: a Mormon have to do with anything like this? Right?
Speaker 1: But they do. And the and the big part is,
Speaker 1: and I venture to state, is because of their alien
Speaker 1: quote unquote alien knowledge. More people I talked to about
Speaker 1: channeling and that they had people that could do this
Speaker 1: and all these things, like, I just think they broke
Speaker 1: the code because they were able to learn language and
Speaker 1: what was Johnny, oh, uncle Johnny a professor of that's
Speaker 1: right language. And so maybe these skills, you know, were
Speaker 1: passed on naturally or learned whichever way you want to
Speaker 1: do it, but it's passed on through the generations and
Speaker 1: it opens up lines that we would never know if
Speaker 1: you couldn't read or hear their tradition.
Speaker 6: So for sure, like an epigenetic side of thing, you
Speaker 6: passed to the bloodline this type of situation.
Speaker 1: I think maybe so because I know, you know, the
Speaker 1: mcmaclady that was my great great great great grandma or something.
Speaker 1: She was like the second wife, and you know, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of people that make jokes. Oh yeah, everybody
Speaker 1: has an Indian princess. Well, my grandma was a crazy person.
Speaker 1: She was a genealogy Mormon missionary. So all my stuff's
Speaker 1: like with pictures and coded and tabbed, and I mean
Speaker 1: it's crazy. I pulled it out yesterday and my kids
Speaker 1: were like, what the.
Speaker 3: Hell is that?
Speaker 2: Like whoa? And it's this thick and.
Speaker 1: Right yeah, probably, I'm like, you know this, this makes
Speaker 1: sense for like for certain things. But that joke everybody's
Speaker 1: grandma was maybe that was by design, right, Well, it makes.
Speaker 5: Sense, it makes sense. They even say that the Mohawk
Speaker 5: or the Guardians of the Eastern Gate, well that can
Speaker 5: obviously have a metaphysical implication. I think it's probably like
Speaker 5: some Crawley shit I don't know about. And sure, and
Speaker 5: they hold the Wampum Belt, so they hold literally probably
Speaker 5: the Confederate. Well this is a Canadian conservracy theory, but
Speaker 5: they hold a piece of the Confederation through that Treaty
Speaker 5: belt and the Treaty Belt. Interestingly enough, how Swas goes
Speaker 5: on it.
Speaker 1: Well, of course, you know, I think it's funny that
Speaker 1: they're so into Native Americans, but then later they're like,
Speaker 1: no black people though, okay whatever, Like, okay, we can't
Speaker 1: have one kind of brown, but we can have another
Speaker 1: kind of brown, okay whatever. They're so silly about their backstories,
Speaker 1: don't it just makes you really wonder? Yeah, too much, mellinin,
Speaker 1: that's too much.
Speaker 6: Well, that goes to the fact that they think the
Speaker 6: Native folk or the lost drives though, right, their Hebrews
Speaker 6: right exactly.
Speaker 1: And guess what happened to the guy that tried to
Speaker 1: prove it? Yeah, you got kicked out of the church,
Speaker 1: so by DNA. He wanted to prove it with DNA
Speaker 1: because he was such a great member. Every person that's
Speaker 1: ever tried to prove something, just like the guy that
Speaker 1: wrote the magical book I can't remember the folk magic book.
Speaker 1: He got kicked out too, and I'm like, okay whatever.
Speaker 6: They definitely don't like the recognition of the magic today, right,
Speaker 6: So in regard to the number thirteen we discussed earlier,
Speaker 6: I mean, it should be like, you know, seemingly they
Speaker 6: don't want to recognize it. But looking at the articles
Speaker 6: of faith, right, there's thirteen articles of faith, right, so
Speaker 6: you can at the rude system there's and Mormon is
Speaker 6: we got some we got some seemingly magical situations going on,
Speaker 6: right with thirteen core beliefs, right, the articles of faith
Speaker 6: about Jesus.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's so similar. They're so similar jin to the
Speaker 1: things that you would do if you were preparing for
Speaker 1: what the abramelin or other rituals.
Speaker 5: Well, even the number thirteen, I mean just like just
Speaker 5: as a very basic cabala idea, you have like that's
Speaker 5: the hasidic number, right, thirteen, And then you can also
Speaker 5: say that in verse is thirty one, because it's like
Speaker 5: the three you take three elements to get one, or
Speaker 5: you distill one element into three, So there's like both
Speaker 5: of those ideas with it. But it's also the infinite.
Speaker 5: Like you know how we talked about how he had
Speaker 5: a pentacle of Jupiter and a dagger of Mars. Well,
Speaker 5: this would be definitely drawing from that, like Jupiter kind
Speaker 5: of like energy. It's like an infinite and expanse. So
Speaker 5: it's kind of the idea. So you can draw a
Speaker 5: lot of wealth and high honors.
Speaker 1: And all that stuff and look at them now, look
Speaker 1: at them now, I dare say they have accomplished their goals,
Speaker 1: and everybody is at this table, they see this, all
Speaker 1: this stuff going on with the heifers and the end
Speaker 1: of world stuff. And I don't know if it's real
Speaker 1: or if it's constructed, but I do know this. Everybody went, Okay,
Speaker 1: show your cards, we're going to do a call. And
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, the Mormon Church buy is
Speaker 1: the abbey. Okay, that's weird. And then they build down
Speaker 1: the street from the Vatican and then they build their
Speaker 1: own Vatican, and I'm like, Okay, that's weird. And everybody's
Speaker 1: just missing it. You want to know why, because they're
Speaker 1: the nicest people. They're just so fucking nice. So sorry
Speaker 1: you cussed.
Speaker 6: I'm just waiting for alien cargo cults one day, for
Speaker 6: all these ancient alien cargo cults that's on the combined
Speaker 6: voltron style, you know what I mean, that's.
Speaker 2: All I'm it's going to happen.
Speaker 1: They're going to do a colling.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Scientology, Nation of Islam, will they are the same
Speaker 6: thing now, Mormons, Joe's Witnesses. You know, that's awesome Scientology.
Speaker 6: So I mean together Frontile, you know, with the Lima,
Speaker 6: you know, all these things.
Speaker 1: It's scary to know how many of them think about it.
Speaker 1: JJ think about how many would go together, think about
Speaker 1: that and the power within that.
Speaker 2: Oh for sure.
Speaker 6: I've been, yes, ma'am. I've been mapping these ancient Alien
Speaker 6: Carlo colts for years. There's a lot of them. They
Speaker 6: come in all shapes and sizes, but they all they
Speaker 6: all do the same things and they all get along.
Speaker 6: So that's what I'm saying. I'm waiting for one day
Speaker 6: They're just going to be like, oh, we're all the
Speaker 6: same organization today.
Speaker 1: Well, even the Masons, who do they answer to ultimately,
Speaker 1: Like we talked earlier about like the top guy, right,
Speaker 1: and who is the top guy? And how how they
Speaker 1: refer the same thing? And Mason's they say, what it's
Speaker 1: it's like an esoteric power top guy and he's the one,
Speaker 1: and you know, and so it makes sense, like it's
Speaker 1: just a different style, right, Everybody put their flare on
Speaker 1: it and twisted it around, so it is.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm not I'm not convinced that the Vaticans not
Speaker 6: names and alien cargo cold, because.
Speaker 5: They definitely are. And I'm not saying that even in
Speaker 5: a pejorative, but I think that you can make a
Speaker 5: very good case that, like the rosicrucion strain, like whatever,
Speaker 5: if there's factions. I don't know. I do agree with
Speaker 5: you though, JJ, that fraction factions are a really good
Speaker 5: way to explain parapoltics. It makes a lot more sense.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I think definitely Catholicism can be thought of
Speaker 5: like what is narcissism? Really, there's no it's a broad category.
Speaker 5: It's a broad body of literature, all the k fab
Speaker 5: around like what the church fathers did, Like most people
Speaker 5: don't even really know that, let's be honest. So it's
Speaker 5: really hard to say, like what is nacism, what is heaterdox?
Speaker 5: What is Orthodox? It's just like it's all flavors of
Speaker 5: kind of like exactly how he said, it's kind of
Speaker 5: a spin off just like all this.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, that's why Masonry just says you have to
Speaker 1: believe in a higher power.
Speaker 4: You know, a lot of times I've even said I
Speaker 4: thought myself, a lot of it is kind of like
Speaker 4: a cult that or like bringing like cabalistic ideas into Catholicism.
Speaker 4: And you know, at some point, like I do mention
Speaker 4: over and over again, at some point in the Catholic
Speaker 4: Church that was actually a big thing to do where
Speaker 4: they thought it was actually you know, bringing breakthrough ideas
Speaker 4: and understanding the Bible and a cult sense. More so,
Speaker 4: maybe that idea is still you know, being used in
Speaker 4: other ways.
Speaker 1: That's interesting. Religion interesting. Wow.
Speaker 4: That's why I've always looked at it like that, because
Speaker 4: I mean, if you really do think about it, a
Speaker 4: lot of times when you looked at a lot of
Speaker 4: Gnostic stuff, they are kind of still pulling from, you know,
Speaker 4: stuff from Catholicism.
Speaker 3: But it's like occulted weird funny stories, you know.
Speaker 1: Did you guys ever think it's weird too? Like during
Speaker 1: the DNA grab of twenty twenty, that certain people got
Speaker 1: more sick than others, Did you think that was weird?
Speaker 1: Because I did. I watched it as a nurse. I
Speaker 1: watched darker shades of brown. We'll go there, get very
Speaker 1: sick and or die. Yes here in twenty twenty, I
Speaker 1: don't know if that happened, right, yep. I think they've
Speaker 1: been figuring this out for a long time, ever since
Speaker 1: they gave people blankets for free.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 4: One thing I do even have thought was definitely sorry neck, no,
Speaker 4: It's okay, go ahead, go ahead, gin and then I'll.
Speaker 5: Uh no, I just want to say that. And I
Speaker 5: think that was very genous to say. I think the
Speaker 5: tribes they targeted because I do think that they believe
Speaker 5: that there are some native people, some not all, because
Speaker 5: guys Heidie's made the case like they're really good genealogists,
Speaker 5: so they kind of have everyone's ethno linguistic affinity mRNA
Speaker 5: line you could say, figured out, so they would say
Speaker 5: some tribes are actually distinct. And that's been a lot
Speaker 5: of will.
Speaker 1: Will they kill this easier than another would would? Diabolically
Speaker 1: enough to say, hey, if we put this in a
Speaker 1: in a pokey, would it kill the less better? Like
Speaker 1: the little lesser events? Right, it's weird.
Speaker 6: I'm not a good judge of these type of topics
Speaker 6: because I've getten hit with so many things from the
Speaker 6: military over the years. I'm surprised I'm still moving.
Speaker 1: Well, that's because you're immune for.
Speaker 6: The guinea pigs of a lot of these things before
Speaker 6: they get public in the first place.
Speaker 2: The troops that is, you know.
Speaker 1: But who who survives? It is an interesting tale, and
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot.
Speaker 6: It's probably the study, right, we'll give them, We'll see
Speaker 6: how many we can put in them and see how
Speaker 6: many of them survive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. It's Jin's point is I think
Speaker 1: very interesting because I think that what you're hitting on
Speaker 1: there is exactly what I've always been thinking since twenty
Speaker 1: twenty is this was a selection of who gets to
Speaker 1: be here, and they're I don't think they've fully unleashed
Speaker 1: that yet.
Speaker 3: That's a kiss.
Speaker 1: All for entertainment purposes.
Speaker 4: No, no, I've I've thought like that myself. So especially
Speaker 4: with Mormons. I think maybe you think this is a
Speaker 4: good good time to wrap it up, or is there
Speaker 4: something else you want to cover before we go on.
Speaker 4: I mean, this might be a good time.
Speaker 1: No, yeah, no, that was really you guys have had
Speaker 1: some amazing points.
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, thank you for.
Speaker 6: Of course, if if I may add to a closing
Speaker 6: point here, Nick, I'd like to have a closing point
Speaker 6: here on where the discussion started before we went full
Speaker 6: blood Mormon on everybody with Sir Hans, Sir Han stuff
Speaker 6: and his Mormon business, right, so it is not he
Speaker 6: you know, I think it is very interesting. Again, these
Speaker 6: the pioneering Mormon families still maintain a very strong power
Speaker 6: structure out west.
Speaker 2: And it is it is, you know, not exactly surprising.
Speaker 6: I didn't realize ben Rich was the mom I'm not
Speaker 6: exactly surprising giving his aerospace affanities along with Howard Hughes, right,
Speaker 6: they would be you know, this all this all makes sense.
Speaker 6: And again, employing folks like than Eugene Caesar make a
Speaker 6: lot of sense to me when they're kind of in
Speaker 6: this whole ancient alien cargo cult network of folks being processed,
Speaker 6: you know, related apparently. So it's interesting to note the
Speaker 6: folks who dropped or the more RFK was before he
Speaker 6: got dropped off of the Ambassador Hotel that night for
Speaker 6: his murder, he was at. He was at a party
Speaker 6: over Malibu that along with folks like Sharon Tate, Rowan Polanski.
Speaker 6: So these things, you know, with Sir Han Zaran being
Speaker 6: associated with the Planski's already preceding this, you know, patating
Speaker 6: Polanski that, you know, I don't think any of these
Speaker 6: things should be ignored as sure happenstance with these process elements.
Speaker 2: And again I'm still not convinced that the.
Speaker 6: Processes churches and you know, corporation documents solistic a you know,
Speaker 6: council of the seventy there or sorry, a quorum of
Speaker 6: the seventy I'm not I'm not convinced that's not.
Speaker 2: Also, the Mormons Quorum of the seventy so mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Yeah, makes you wonder with the Quorum of the fifty
Speaker 1: that we know for sure that they said they allow,
Speaker 1: you know, non Mormons in there. So it's wild, it's wild.
Speaker 2: Weird, it would be weird. But like I said, Voltron, right, which.
Speaker 5: One is, well, I'm sorry, sorry, guys, fifty or the
Speaker 5: seventy which.
Speaker 1: In the higher fifty secret the fifty is not supposed
Speaker 1: to be known, but thank you.
Speaker 6: The seventies the official operational body of the of the
Speaker 6: of the Church of the Mothership in Salt Lake.
Speaker 2: They do all they do all yeah, the mothers.
Speaker 5: This actually makes a lot of sense, I won't. I know,
Speaker 5: Nick wants to close it up, but I there's a
Speaker 5: there's a couple of stick kind of read like reasoning
Speaker 5: behind the numerology even like why the five would hide
Speaker 5: behind the seven kind of it's it's interesting, you're.
Speaker 1: Gonna leave us like that jin.
Speaker 3: One thing.
Speaker 4: One thing I did want to I'll leave people with
Speaker 4: to make up for a Gin's cliffanger. It's just well,
Speaker 4: it's why well, I don't know if it's really opinion.
Speaker 4: I mean that's kind of like how it is. But
Speaker 4: it's just my opinion you should think about it is
Speaker 4: that even in US this it is also based off
Speaker 4: of three books that were supposedly not included in the Bible,
Speaker 4: So I mean, even going on for that, I mean, obviously,
Speaker 4: in my opinion, even though it's not in the Bible,
Speaker 4: it's still coming from a Catholic source or you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: It's interesting. Just want to ay that in there.
Speaker 4: That's another reason why I do say I think this
Speaker 4: Catholicism kind of in there. So uh again, thank you
Speaker 4: very thank you very much Heidi for coming on. That
Speaker 4: was amazing. I loved all the pictures. I love the receipts.
Speaker 4: Sorry about that mishap before I would be edited out,
Speaker 4: nobody get to hear it. But unfortunately we did loser
Speaker 4: for a few minutes.
Speaker 1: But she was a gangster and king when they're like,
Speaker 1: hey Heidi, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: I felt so bad. I was like, Yo, she's not
Speaker 3: gonna know for a while. She's got of pictures. But
Speaker 3: thank you so much. Please let everybody know where they
Speaker 3: can find your amazing show.
Speaker 1: Awesome, thank you so much for having me. And this
Speaker 1: has been a fun time. I love coming on with
Speaker 1: these guys and never feel bad to interrupt. I think
Speaker 1: it's such an amazing thing to have conversations, not just presentations.
Speaker 1: I am Heidi Love at the Unfiltered Rise. I'm everywhere
Speaker 1: podcasts are served. I do have a Patreon if you
Speaker 1: want two extra shows a month, and I have my
Speaker 1: own website, Unfiltered ricepodcast dot com. And I don't normally
Speaker 1: sound like this.
Speaker 4: Thank you, awesome, Thank you a getting so much Hidi. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and everybody, for the people just hearing her for the
Speaker 4: first time, go check out her stuff, jin the Ninja,
Speaker 4: what is going on?
Speaker 3: Please let everybody know where they can find your stuff
Speaker 3: as well.
Speaker 5: Awesome, thank you, and thank you so much Nick for
Speaker 5: inviting me on this series with Andre. It was it
Speaker 5: was great. I honestly learned so much Heidi on so
Speaker 5: thank you. So yeah, No, this was really It's really
Speaker 5: interesting because I don't really know this history at all.
Speaker 5: This is kind of like it's a whole brand new
Speaker 5: to me. So just like interesting, making interesting connections. As
Speaker 5: Heidi speaking, maybe sounds a little cabal skeetso sometimes, but
Speaker 5: you know, I'm there, I try to, you know, I
Speaker 5: like it I like it. People want to find me
Speaker 5: Threshold Saints, Spotify, Apple, anywhere you get your podcasts.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 5: We talked a lot about metafiction, and obviously Nick's been
Speaker 5: a guest and Usna kwon JJ JJ I did a
Speaker 5: big trouble a little China and JJ and that will
Speaker 5: drop on my feed sometime very soon. And uh yeah,
Speaker 5: thank you guys so much.
Speaker 3: It was really great, awesome, thank you and JJ. Please
Speaker 3: let everybody know what's up with you.
Speaker 5: Nick.
Speaker 2: I always appreciate, appreciate the conversations, Sir Heidi. Always always
Speaker 2: great to link up and talk more business.
Speaker 6: In fact, I'm looking forward to conversation here on Friday
Speaker 6: when you're a guest online and Nick Show Fridays here
Speaker 6: every every Friday night a nine pm. But this Friday
Speaker 6: with with Heidi talking more Mormon stuff, and I'll bring
Speaker 6: some more of my thoughts on these these questionable rigs
Speaker 6: and stories.
Speaker 2: Of the Mormon Church.
Speaker 6: As we know, it's already under question with some of
Speaker 6: these magical ceremonies, but I've kind of reversed engineered some
Speaker 6: thoughts on how some of these started and were the
Speaker 6: books that Joseph Smith used in which to make the
Speaker 6: book a Mormon, there's you know, there's one that's commonly identified.
Speaker 6: But I also used another book in my opinion, from
Speaker 6: a founding father named Elias Budeno. So it all goes
Speaker 6: back to the Saetay Cincinnati. It all goes back to
Speaker 6: these mounds. But you know it's I got some interesting
Speaker 6: thoughts to go over with you on that for for Fridays,
Speaker 6: and I think we were going to talk some bombing
Speaker 6: stuff too, I believe some some uh Mark Hoffman stuff.
Speaker 5: So that.
Speaker 3: That is this Friday, correct Friday, This Friday coming up?
Speaker 2: JJ, that is right, yeah, this Friday coming up?
Speaker 1: Yet?
Speaker 3: Oh wow, that's what see.
Speaker 4: Now this this show is going to drop Saturday and
Speaker 4: always drop that show Fridays on Saturday.
Speaker 1: So the.
Speaker 2: Back and then you.
Speaker 4: Cal Rejex are going to get a double dose on Saturday.
Speaker 4: HEIGHTI she's going to be on both shows them. Yeah, awesome, all.
Speaker 2: Right, I'm glad you brought that up. I wasn't even
Speaker 2: thinking that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, because I dropped Friday's show on Saturday. Audio wise,
Speaker 4: she's gonna yeah, people are gonna get two shows with her.
Speaker 3: Cool. Cool.
Speaker 1: Hopefully my voice will be better by Friday. I know.
Speaker 3: I sounded yes, that's true.
Speaker 4: So if people listen to this Friday and you go
Speaker 4: back to the next to the Fridays, you'll hear the
Speaker 4: different show.
Speaker 5: So I actually have a question for Heidi before we close,
Speaker 5: as Heidi, do you think that Howard Hugh Do you
Speaker 5: think the Mormons believed that Howard Hughes was a magician.
Speaker 1: I think the Mormons took something from Howard Hughes that
Speaker 1: he got from a not here entity, not from this planet.
Speaker 1: He definitely said under all his flight projects that he
Speaker 1: had had encounters. It is rumored that he had his
Speaker 1: own hangar Area fifty one, and that they called him
Speaker 1: in for multiple crashes. And I think that his crashes,
Speaker 1: being as an adeptive pilot as he was, were purposeful
Speaker 1: and that they might have been trying to punish him
Speaker 1: for not doing the things that they said they wanted
Speaker 1: the bombing to stop, and he did specifically say things
Speaker 1: could come through, not always good when there was that energy.
Speaker 1: So I think that that Gay who was his little
Speaker 1: errand boy who became the top head of his whole corporation,
Speaker 1: got something from him. Why he was in an altered
Speaker 1: mental state, we'll put it that way. Interesting, They have
Speaker 1: the key. They have the key. I'm gonna find out
Speaker 1: what the hell that key is. They drive me crazy,
Speaker 1: not the pre stud keys. They got the keys anyway.
Speaker 6: I definitely appreciate the conversation and again a host of
Speaker 6: Operation GCD, JJ Vance and Jenna Ninja, I highly recommend
Speaker 6: the Big Trouble Little China episode we did their jen
Speaker 6: Jena Ninja.
Speaker 2: Hopefully you will join me.
Speaker 6: For a future cold esoteric review of The Golden Child
Speaker 6: starring Oh Yo.
Speaker 3: I would love to do that with you, guys. I've
Speaker 3: actually thought about. Shit you not, I've thought about doing
Speaker 3: that on the cult region. Oh yeah, oh that show
Speaker 3: so much fun.
Speaker 1: With everyone.
Speaker 3: That I swear to God. I think that movie is
Speaker 3: deepest ship.
Speaker 5: With definitely understands.
Speaker 3: I think I think you get.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: Huh, go ahead, Jim would I think it's.
Speaker 6: Character a folly, but he's into bed solving mysteries, dealing
Speaker 6: with Eastern you know, Eastern video practices, right or Eastern mysticism, right.
Speaker 5: Well, that's what they're all drawn to, right, Like, it's
Speaker 5: very clear even the people that say they are not,
Speaker 5: like if they'll say explicitly, we're not really in contra
Speaker 5: but yeah, yeah, you are you see big liars, because
Speaker 5: they all they're drawing, they're drawing a lot from it,
Speaker 5: like so much so that it's obvious to me. And
Speaker 5: I'm not like some you know, great stage in the
Speaker 5: mountains like for real, so.
Speaker 1: Carel big liars. I like that quote.
Speaker 2: Run with that well, sounds sounds like we've got a
Speaker 2: new joke coming up here on that one. Then in
Speaker 2: the future. You're on Operation GC today, great conversation. Appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, thank you all.
Speaker 4: Thank you all again for coming on, and again, specially Heidi,
Speaker 4: all the work you did in our newest addition to
Speaker 4: the Occult Rejects.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much. I appreciate it.
Speaker 4: And uh that's the end of another Cult reject and
Speaker 4: until the next one, everybody be well later.