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Speaker 2: This is Big Fight Weekend. Now here is your host,

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DJ Leaves. All right, we are ready to go. Coming

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up this weekend with a PBC on Prime pay per

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view from San Antonio, Texas. We are ready to preview

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Pitfull Cruise and Lamont Roach, Oshaki Foster and Steven Fulton

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in the co feature, and much more off that card,

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plus IVF Cruiserweight World Champ Jai Opataiah in action as well.

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This weekend. We're previewing there. Oh, we got Hall of

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Fame announcements. We got Terrence Crawford going ballistic at somebody

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besides Rayfield. So that's a good that's a good thing.

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Welcome in. It is the Big Fight Weekend preview. Let's

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to cover, let's to go over. I am the somewhat

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medicated host TJ. Reeves of the program. I'll explain in

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a moment. Hello, Big Dan Rayfield. Fight Freak Unit is

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the substack in the newsletter. Why are you not on it?

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You should be on it if you're a fight fan

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reading all of this stuff, breaking news, original content, all

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kinds of things on the fight for each unit substack,

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How are you, TJ?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing good.

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Speaker 2: You know, Uh, we reveal a lot here on the pod,

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and you're gonna you're gonna laugh even because you don't

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know what I'm about to reveal. I am doing this.

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I am doing this about three to four hours after

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I've had to have some oral surgery done. So I'm fine.

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I'm not loopy in that regard. But I kept saying, Rayphael,

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we got to wait. My mouth is not awake yet,

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and I don't want to sound this on the podcast. Now.

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You and I have been doing this for close to

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four years, and I'm gonna have to actually do this

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while we do it live. But you're gonna love this.

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I am. I am salivating and drooling a little bit

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while I begin the show because my mouth is still

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waking up, and uh, I'm a mouth. I'm like a

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mouth breather right now on the pod. But the fan,

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the people love this. Now Here's the best is I

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take pretty good care of my teeth and for a

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long time, I am thoroughly convinced that genetics has a

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lot to do with this. And you're about to bolster

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my case in a second. Both my father and my

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mother have had problems with dental and whatever. I do

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a pretty good job of taking care of it. So

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it's not that often that I have to have done

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what I had to have done today because I had

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to have a filling replaced. That's old. What happens, Dan

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is they get old, they break whatever, and you can't

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you got to deal with it. So I had to

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deal with it today. And you knew this. I was

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letting you know this, and then you pop off to

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me before I hit the record button. What what did

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you pop off to me?

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Speaker 3: Well, you were telling me about about what happened today

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with the with the cavity and the surgery. And I said,

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you know what. Oh you said, you know you get old.

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Everybody has it happened or something like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that the fillings start and rotten and break.

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Speaker 3: And you said, I said, I'm fifty five years old

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and in my entire life, I have never had a

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single cavity we're filling.

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Speaker 2: That is hard to believe. That is some podcast reveal

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right there.

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Speaker 1: I like regular people out.

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Speaker 2: Of the thousands and thousands and thousands that are listening

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to us, I would bet you that probably two percent,

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maybe you're like in the upper one percent probably that

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have never had anything, So congrats to you. But again,

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part of my theory is that it's hereditary that you

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are predisposed to have the problems.

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Speaker 3: Not only no fillings or cavities. Didn't have to wear

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braces either.

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Speaker 2: I had to have them. My sister had to have them.

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My twins have had to have them, have them. We

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joked that we've paid for the Orthodontis Beach house. He

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is Tampa Bay Lightning hockey season tickets and everything else

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we've paid for.

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Speaker 1: I've paid for my sons.

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Speaker 2: But am I correct? Young Rayphaiel has to have them, right?

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Speaker 1: I just said he has them. I've already paid for them.

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Speaker 2: So that's interesting on the heredity point that I'm trying

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to make. By the way, I'm still drooling and trying

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to deal with it at the beginning of the pot.

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I means you're gonna have to talk a lot more tonight,

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which is easy for you.

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Speaker 1: And I gotta let the tea you need like a

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cutman or a trainer.

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Speaker 2: I need something right now. I'm like a dog that

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has like meat on the bone here and is not

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allowed to go have it. And the drool starts just

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formulating you have cats, so you don't know how how

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I roll. All right, well, let's get into it. Thank

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you for finding us, Apple, Spreaker, Spotify wherever you have

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found us. Also find the Big Fight Weekend YouTube page

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as well for content. For example, go see the interview

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with Lamont Roach before this fight that we're about to

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talk about on the YouTube page. It's also been on

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the podcast feed. You can also hear on this feed

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from Steven Fulton with Dan as you talk to him

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prior to this fight with Foster. Let's get into these fights.

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It's the PBC on Prime pay per Views, San Antonio, Texas,

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coming Saturday night. Main event is Isaac Pittbull Cruise, Lamont

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Roach cruises WBC Interim Junior Welterweight title on the line,

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Roach moving up in Wait, all right, give me some

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thoughts on that, and then we'll just kind of cascade.

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That's the word I'll use down the main Go ahead, Well,

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Speaker 3: Say overall, I have I have pretty good hopes that

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this is going to be like a pretty fun night

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of the fights. And that is even taking into account,

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which we'll discuss in a minute, the fact that the

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middleweight unification fight is not a middle eight unification anymore

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because Jennebec m cannolly had a positive drug test and

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is off the show. But Laura is still on the

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card defending his title. But in terms of the main event, look,

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Roach thought he was gonna have the rematch with Tank

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Davis after their very controversial draw that many of us,

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putting myself thought he won. Kind of got robbed and

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jipped out of that point with the knockdown that was

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not called, and for Tank's reasons, he didn't take the fight.

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He thought he was gonna get the Jake Paul fight,

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you know, and then he got a draw from that

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fight because of the constant domestic violence allegations and yet

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another lawsuit. So he's off off doing whatever. He's not

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fighting right now, but you know, certainly Lamar Roach is

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not going to sit around when he's you know, in

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his best days these days. So he was offered this

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fight against Pitt Bull Cruz, so he's gonna go from

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the WBA title at one hundred and thirty pounds. He

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fought Tank at one thirty five, looked really good in

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that fight, and and you know he's going up to

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one forty to fight this fight against Pitbull Cruise for

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the interim belt and and I think that he'll be

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just finding that weight class. And I said to you

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when we discussed this fight when it was mate, I

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was surprised that the that the Pitbull people took the

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fight because I feel like even though he's a smaller

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guy supposedly relt smaller, not in stature, but in terms

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of the way he's fought at coming up to meet Pitbull.

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Speaker 3: Where Pitbull will be the fan for everyone all that,

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I feel like Roach should be the favorite. I haven't

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actually looked at the official hotsteageer, so I'm not sure

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what it is.

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Speaker 2: Close to a fifty to fifty five.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I matter right right?

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Speaker 3: So, but you got to figure with the all out

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aggression of a Pitbull Cruise, the good boxing skills that

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we have seen displayed from Amont Roach not the biggest puncher,

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a more of a slick kind of guy.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 3: I think it has like a pretty decent chance for

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the styles to mesh pretty well. And Pitbull fan favorite

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everybody loves him, always makes a good fight, you know,

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war against Angel Fierra, which he won on a ten

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round decision. He was supposed to fight him in the

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rematch back in July that was on the Manipacio Mario

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Barrios undercard, but Fierro dropped out at the last minute.

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with Omar Salcito, who was on the undercart and they

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moved him up from Nate rounder and won that fight

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that actually was for the interim belt. And now here

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he is in the first fight against Roach and look,

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it's gonna be a good Mexican crowd. I'm sure in

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San Antonio rooting for Pitt Bull Cruise. You know, he

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is like the pied piper. I've seen him fighting many times.

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one of his fights in Los Angeles, and no matter

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where he goes, it doesn't matter if it's apt to

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fight itself for you know, even like at the fight Hotel.

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Terrence Crawford Najamov card in August of twenty twenty four.

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He was like more than any and there was a

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lot of fighters that were hanging out in the lobby area,

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you know, in the lounge bar area. He was mob

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more than anybody the whole the whole night. And you

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know he had won that fight or no, I take

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the back. He was mobbed even though he had lost

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that fight. That was a split decision in a very

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close fight. But the point I'm making is he is

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a fan favorite. So him and Roach it makes for

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a pretty good fight. And now what the winner is

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going to be in a great position because at you know,

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there is some activity going on. We have We're going

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to see Shakoor and Chakor and Tiafimo and and other

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quality guys in the division. Uh, they'll reschedule the Gary

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Antewin Russell fight. You know, he's gonna have opportunities if

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he wins and Roach stame way. I think if Roach wins,

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most likely stays in the weight class. He's not going

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back down to one thirty to defend I don't think.

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Speaker 2: And one thing that I thought in in hearing him

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again that was done before fight week. I loved his demeanor.

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I loved his attitude. He kind of let the Tank

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you know, he's obviously in with a talented, tough fighter

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and knows what it's I just I liked his demeanor,

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and I don't know what that's worth. Maybe it's not

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worth anything. Comes Saturday night, we'll stay tuned.

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Speaker 3: One thing about Lamont Roach that you should know, and

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fights because he was on so many the big Golden

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to know him and his father, Lamont Senior, who's this trainer,

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because he's from the DC area. I live in the

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DC era, And inevitably, when they were flying west, we

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were on the same airplanes all the time. So I

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couldn't tell you how many times like we joked around.

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shooting the shit about the upcoming fight week, and then

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fast forward to the Sunday and we'd be back at

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the same gate, but at this time at the Las

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Vegas Airport and get ready to get on our flight

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back home to d C. So you know, you sit

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in airport with people for you know, an hour here

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and there you're gonna you know, you talk a lot

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of stuff and you kind of get to know them

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and sort of the kind of people they are. Lamont

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Roach is a good guy. Like you said, he let

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that tank shit rode all, you know, not make a

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big deal about it. He's like, what can I do?

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So he's you know, he's moving on with his life

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and he's you know, he may not be making as

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much money against Lamont Roach, or rather for Lamont to

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fight against Pitbull Cruise, but he's gonna make good money

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come Saturday.

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Speaker 2: And there's opportunity if he wins, which is what you're saying.

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Speaker 3: It's a big opportunity. I mean, it's not anything to

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in the picture for you know, the winner of Mattias

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who's got the title. If he beats Dalton Spi or

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whoever wins that fight, he's right there to make a

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name for himself even bigger than he did off the

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Tank Davis fight.

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Speaker 2: All right, co feature fight again. You talked to Stephen

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Fulton in advance of this. This is for Oshaki Foster's

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WBC one and thirty pound title, which Foster are we getting?

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We know Fulton moving up here, and what are your

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thoughts on the co feature fight.

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Speaker 3: I think this similar to like you said, the odds

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were for the main event about fifty to fifty. Again,

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I have not looked at odds for Foster and Fulton,

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but I would imagine they're probably awfully close too, probably

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you know, a similar kind of pick them type of

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thing where you can see either guy winning the fight.

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Good matchup. I'm hopeful that that it will ignite. Style wise,

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I'm maybe studly less hopeful of that than I am

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compared to the main event. And that's not a knock

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on either guy. It's just that both of them are

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more boxer than den brawler, more boxer than puncher. But

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that said, I have seen at times in certain fights

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when necessary, we've seen them stand in there. If you

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look at Steven Fulton, especially in the first fight he

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had against Figaroa, they battled it out to yes, Oshaki

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Foster has been in some fights where he came back

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and retained the title. In the fight in Mexico, where

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he was trailing on the score.

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Speaker 2: Tremendous, tremendous final rounds, right, final couple of rounds again,

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Rocky Hernandez.

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Speaker 3: Right, exactly. So there are moments. So even though their

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general nature, if you will, is to box and use

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their intelligence and their speed and their skills their fighters,

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and when it comes necessary to bite down, we've seen

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them do that, and like I mentioned, that was the

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exact scenario when Foster needed to do so in that

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Rocky Hernandez fight that was in twenty twenty three. We

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saw in the first fight with Figueroa battle it out

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and that was a unification fight against Fultons.

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Speaker 1: So they can do that. Now.

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Speaker 3: Fulton's moving up from one hundred and twenty six to

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one hundred and thirty. I feel like that won't be

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a big a big deal in terms of the jump.

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You know, he started in terms of his championship career

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at one hundred twenty tw pounds where he won his

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first title belt. They're both good boxers and this fight

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has been a long time coming. We've talked about this.

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This fight was supposed to take place on the Tank

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Roach rematch undercard when it was being discussed back for June,

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and then for various reasons, delay Delay, Delay, was supposed

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to be on October twenty fifth, but the Fondora Keith

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Thurman fight was postponed because of the injury. It got

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moved to this card and so finally they're they're they're

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gonna take care of business. And again, one hundred and

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thirty pounds is maybe not like the deepest weight class

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in the sport of boxing at the present time. But

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the guy who wins this is going to have a

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really good win against another really good opponent that's going

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to certainly help make their name a little bigger, and

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you know they'll be in The person who wins this

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is I guess you might, especially if it's Foster, because

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he's got a little been a history going on right

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now in the division. He's been there for a little while.

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You may not say he's the number one guy in

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the division now. Lamont Roach has a belt, but he's

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he's only defended the title once, so it's hard to

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like rank him too too high. And the other guy

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that's in the division, Emmanuel Navarette, he's going to be

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in a unification fight with Edward o'nunyaz early next year.

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So the winner of that fight to be considered number one,

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But the winner of this fight is going to probably

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be considered number two, I say. And by the way,

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if Navarette wins against Dunyas and Oshaki is the winner,

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they're both with top rank. They could make that fight easier. Sure,

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and Natroom worked with top rank to make the Navarete

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Nunyas fight. No reason they couldn't do so again if

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they wanted to make if Nunia's were to win, to

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make him against O'shaki Foster. So the winner on Saturday

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is going to have a variety of nice opportunities, I think,

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and hopefully, but.

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Speaker 2: Can we get some action? Can we have good things

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in this one? Because you and I are both anticipating,

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and you're right, it's about a fifty to fifty fight

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right now from the odds makers a couple places, including

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our friends at bet us. All right, let's get into

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aras Landy. Laura no longer fighting janabec Alm Canulei. That

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is because janebec popped dirty as you like to say,

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for a ped so he is off and we now

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have a late replacement in Johan Gonzalez, which we'll get

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to in a second. But first, again, this was a

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VADA test, a test that was done. I read what

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you put out there that the Evada letter says the

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sample was collected back in the middle of November and

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now has shown an adverse finding. So pick it up

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from there, because janebec is off the cart and out

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of this fight.

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Speaker 3: He tested positive for a substance called meldonium, which, to

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my understanding of that particular substance is not the kind

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of thing where contamination would usually be the cause. Like

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when you see a guy pop positive for clem, peuterol

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or even ostereine, things along those lines. A lot of

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times you know it could be a contamination, even though

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most times people don't believe it is. But meltonium, again,

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my reading of the things is that it's not the

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type of drug that you're going to accidentally find in

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a you know, in some food or or in a

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supplement or something along those lines. So it is a

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commonly known substance that is used primarily has been used

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by those in the former Soviet republics. Probably the most

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famous case in sports was the tennis player, the tennis

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star Maria Sharapova. It took a fifteen month suspension for

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testing positive for this. I wrote about this substance a

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few years ago. This is the substance that Alexander Povetkin

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tested positive for, among as many drug tests that were positive.

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He was just on the cusp of fighting Deontay Wilder

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fight where Wilder had been doing the end of his

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training again in the UK. He was supposed to get

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on the plane and fly from London to Moscow. He

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was going to fight him in Russia, and the fight

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ended up getting canceled because of what happened, and they

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had Povetkan go in with some other opponent that night,

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you know, because they don't have really any rules on

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the road in Russia. They couldn't care less. So this

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is not the first time I've seen this happen, but

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it's a real shame because Janebec and Laura was to

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be a three belt unification fight. Janabec has or for

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the moment anyway, has two of the titles, and Laura

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is the WBA champion. And I think the thought from

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a lot of boxing fans and media speculating reading the

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tea leaves, looking at the breadcrumbs, all that is that

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the winner of that fight, who emerged with three titles

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would make themselves the likely and obvious candidate to fight

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Bud Crawford if he wasn't gonna have a rematch with

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Canelo Alvarez. That does not seem to be the case anymore.

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Most likely janebec is probably going to get stripped of

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the two titles. They'll go through the process and give

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him his opportunity to have his say so, but most

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likely he'll end up getting stripped. And so a guy just.

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Speaker 2: Can I just say this, It's just stupid and whatever

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they were doing, they don't get the benefit of the

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doubt anymore.

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Speaker 3: That there have been plenty times where I've given benefit

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doubt to people or I you know, there's technical reasons

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why you should let the fight go for you know,

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when Canelo's going to beuterral case. If it was tested today,

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it wouldn't even flag, it wouldn't get FLAGG because it's

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below the threshold. We discussed thresholds with the Matia situation.

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If you're testing positive from maldonium and you're from a

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former Soviet Republic, maybe I'm just a bad person, but

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I think he did it. I mean, that's just my opinion.

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Speaker 2: You have no benefit of the doubt on that. And

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by the way, it's a WADA, but we had a

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lot of fun with VADA with a V and WADA

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with a w. It's been on the WADA ban list

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as a newer substance for about fifteen years. It's been

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known they test for it in an Olympic competition, et cetera,

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and a VADA test is what found it.

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Speaker 3: It's been on the band list since January first, twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 2: I'm not either know than that. How about that?

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Speaker 3: Okay, Just so people understand the reason why a boxer

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or frankly a tennis player might take the substance is

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because what it's supposedly going to do to the for

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the athlete is going to And this is what I

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read in like the various descriptions of this, you know

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where you can find them in medical journals and things

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on Wikipedia. Whatever is it enhances your endurance ability? Yes,

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it reduces fatigue if you're in a tough World championship

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fight or in a tennis match, if you're in you know,

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a grueling.

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Speaker 2: Uh you know, long match or five set match, right.

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Speaker 1: Whatever it may be.

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Speaker 3: Don't you think you'd want to have a little extra

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course endurance and less fatigue as you get deeper into

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the event. Absolutely, so that's what that's all about. I

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do find it bizarre, by the way, if he in

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fact did it on purpose, that a younger fighter like

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a Jenebek, who theoretically should be in his prime, is

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doping to fight a guy who's forty two years old

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and the oldest fld's true good point, extremely inactive and

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hasn't thought a good middleweight in his entire middleweight run.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point that you make, ironic that

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you would be doping for that reason and not be

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the older guy that hasn't been fighting. All right, So

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he's out of the picture. He's likely stripped, probably just

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Amaldy will be stripped by the other two organizations. So

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tell me about the match up now with Johan Gonzalez,

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who they had on standby. I saw him with a

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couple of comments saying, this is a dream come true.

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He's a world title fight. Obviously, what kind of shot

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do we give him? What do we think? What do

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we know?

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Speaker 3: Go ahead, Look, I mean, Laura, maybe forty two, but

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he's an og you know what I mean. He's a

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real quality boxer. He knows his way around the ring.

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He was an amateur world champion. He's been a long

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time junior middleweight champion. Even though he hasn't fought good

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quality opponents, he's had a middleweight title now for a

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while and he's got a good resume. He's fought, you know,

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pretty much most of the top defau Canelo had the

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fight of the year, even though it was a close

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loss against Jared Hurd a few years ago. If you

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go down, he had some tremendous fights and also some

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terribly horrible, boring, stinker ass fights as well. But the

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fact is I always hit my hat to the folks

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at TGB Promotions and PBC. They've always done and I

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think they even ramped up more when it came to COVID.

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They do a tremendous job of making sure there's at

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least a halfway decent opponent on standby for either fighter,

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depending on what happens, if there's an injury, if there's

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an illness, if there is a situation like a drug test.

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It's not an uncommon thing where you need in our

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replacement and when you're in a co feature on this

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type of level of a show. They put a guy

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like Gonzales on standby, so it sort of works where

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you know, you make sure he's on weight, he's training,

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he gets paid whatever he gets paid, and if suddenly

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he needs to be pressed into service, he's in shape,

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he's trained for a fight, he's done his work, and

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he's going to get paid a lot more to be

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in the actual fight. And for him it's like a

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it's a great bonus because he was going to put

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the work in and take whatever he was going to get,

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but not actually fight. Now he's going to get actually

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fight and by the way, make a lot more money

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and have a chance to win a world title. So

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if you're Gonzalez, you know who is a thirty four

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year old fighter from Venezuela, thirty six and four with

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a thirty four knockouts, So he's punched out a lot

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of guys that he's faced. He's getting this great opportunity.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: What they did do for obvious reasons, Fulton and Figueroa

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was taken from what was the third fight down the

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show moved up into the Kofeed your spot and they

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flipped the Laara fight down one spot because obviously it's

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not as significant or sexy matchup as it was when

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it was to unify three of the titles. How much

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of a chance does Gonzalez have. I mean, look hard

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to make him a favorite, but at least he's a reputable,

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legitimate professional be there to give his best effort. He

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is two and two in his last four fights. He

474
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did get stopped in the ninth round by Haesus Ramos,

475
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who we're going to talk about in a minute, was

476
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also on this card. That was back when Ramos was

477
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fighting at junior middleweight. That was in twenty twenty four.

478
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He came back and got to win against you know,

479
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three to nine guy, just sort of get back in

480
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the ring in Venezuela and the fight that probably you

481
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know wasn't much. And then he took a knockout loss

482
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to Yo n. S. Taes when theyes was undefeated, which

483
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was at the time looked at as a pretty good

484
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win for teas.

485
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Speaker 2: I was at that fight. That was to fight in

486
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Orlando on the back room Zoo card. Corrects knocked him out.

487
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Speaker 3: Yeah and now and most notably though, in his most

488
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recent fight, which was in March of this year, he

489
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won a ten round split decision over the former U

490
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Junior middleweight world champion Jared Heard. Now, Jared Hurd is

491
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not what he was at his best, but he does

492
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have a win against the former world champion in his

493
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last fight. And Jared Hurd for if you want to

494
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have fun with it, I'm sure we'll come up on

495
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the pay per view broadcast. Who's the last guy teacher

496
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it'd ever beat Aristony Laura.

497
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Speaker 2: That would be Jared Heard.

498
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that was in the twenty eighteen Fight of

499
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the Year. So as a as a save as a

500
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third fight down the show to Tom Brown and the

501
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whole team.

502
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Speaker 2: Get he literally tipped his hat while he was doing that.

503
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Just like.

504
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Speaker 3: That, they show up and give us at least a

505
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fight much that they can do. I mean that Laura

506
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is there to actually fight and not run like he

507
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has done in the bat.

508
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Speaker 2: Just like we do it on a show. Just like

509
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I verified that I was droweling early in the show,

510
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I can verify Dan did in fact tip his hat.

511
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Speaker 1: I am actually very yeah, that's right to do what

512
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you are wearing the hat.

513
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Speaker 2: Okay. So Jesus Ramos, as you mentioned, is fighting Shane

514
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Moseley Junior, also on the full pay per view. Touch

515
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on that and then touch on the free prelimbs here

516
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because we got to move on to some other stuff.

517
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Go ahead.

518
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Speaker 3: Well, I think Ramos and Moseley Junior is a nice fight.

519
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I mean, look, I don't love that it's for the

520
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interim WBC midwaight title.

521
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Speaker 1: That seems kind of.

522
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Speaker 3: Pointless, you know, as they say, it is what it is.

523
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But the fight probably wouldn't happen if it wasn't for

524
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that belt, so you can look at it that way too.

525
00:23:13,799 --> 00:23:18,160
But look, Ramos was an up and coming, top young

526
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guy at junior middleweight. He took what I feel like

527
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and many people felt like, a very controversial loss to Lubin.

528
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In twenty twenty three, he won his next fight against

529
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Johan Gonzalez, who we just talked about. Then he scored

530
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a knockout of the shell of the former Dingam middleweight champion,

531
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,559
Jason Rosario. Now that fight was at middleweight, but that

532
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:39,000
was more of an accommodation to Rosario, and he maintained

533
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:40,480
he said, I want to go back down to one

534
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fifty four. So he actually did that. In his most

535
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recent fight, which was in March of this year, he

536
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fought you know, just slightly over the one fifty four

537
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pound weight, but he was looking to still campaign as

538
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a junior middleweight, but for whatever the reason, he opted

539
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to go and do this fight at midweight. So I

540
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feel like he's at middleweight for good now. Maybe he's

541
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just outgrown it to some degree. And then Shane Mosley,

542
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who of course is the son of the Hall of

543
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,480
Famer Shane Moseley, Sr. Always makes me feel old because

544
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,359
I covered Chane Senior's career and I've now I actually

545
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,240
had a conversation. I saw Shane Junior when I was

546
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in Vegas. I think it was at the at the

547
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,680
Pacio Barrios fight that was this past summer, and I

548
00:24:12,759 --> 00:24:14,400
ran into him. We were talking a little bit and

549
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I was like, you know, I told him, I said, dude,

550
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,000
I remember you when you were like a little kid,

551
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you know, and he was running around when his father

552
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was like, you know, king of the world.

553
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Speaker 1: But he's he's he's uh.

554
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:25,559
Speaker 3: When he first started, I didn't think he could fight

555
00:24:25,599 --> 00:24:28,200
a lick be quite honestly, I mean, absolutely terrible in

556
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,440
every way shape or for him. He got better, a

557
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,160
lot better, and he's he's got four losses. But that

558
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:36,839
was like his amateur curve. Basically he's never been knocked out.

559
00:24:36,559 --> 00:24:39,440
He's got four losses but never been stopped. Twenty two wins,

560
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,880
twelve knockouts, and this is a big This is by

561
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,079
far and away his biggest opportunity, it seems to me

562
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based on who he has.

563
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Speaker 1: Faced so far.

564
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Speaker 3: I mean, he has some other you know, he lost,

565
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:52,039
like the Brandon Adams for example, he lost to Jason Quigley,

566
00:24:52,039 --> 00:24:54,480
who fought for a world title. But in terms of, uh,

567
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you know, where he's at in his career now, he

568
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is coming off of he's been off for a while

569
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because he hadn't thought since July of last year. He

570
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was changing promoters. I'm not sure what the exact issue was,

571
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:05,680
but that was when he won a ten round decision

572
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,559
against Daniel Jacobs, who was a great name. But Danny Jacobs,

573
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you know, was coming off of a very long layoff,

574
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was way past his best. It was fighting you know,

575
00:25:14,799 --> 00:25:16,920
at super middleweight as opposed to warriors at his best

576
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at middleweight.

577
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Speaker 1: So I feel like.

578
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Speaker 3: Ramos is probably the better boxer overall, but he's also

579
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the guy that's moving up to a heavier division where

580
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Shane has fought a lot of his fights, we'll see.

581
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I feel like this could be a fun fight though,

582
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because I've seen Shane Mosley. He doesn't run around the ring.

583
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He comes to fighting. Ramos is pretty much the same way.

584
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So hopefully they'll mesh together, they'll have a little bit

585
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of an explosion, and we'll see a pretty good fight.

586
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And again, the winner has the interim belt. And in

587
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the middleweight division, which we've discussed a thousand times, is

588
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you know, one of the worst divisions in boxing in

589
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terms of overall ballon and depth. The personal wins is

590
00:25:53,039 --> 00:25:56,119
going to be a good spot. The WBC champion is

591
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,359
Carlos Adamis. He's got a mandatory coming up, so it

592
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won't be against the winner this fight. He's not next,

593
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,720
so we'll see what the guy can do. But uh,

594
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I have high hopes for this one to be at

595
00:26:04,559 --> 00:26:06,519
least a solid fight for the opener on the pay

596
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per view. And as far as the other fights you

597
00:26:08,519 --> 00:26:12,039
mentioned in terms of the these are free. That's the

598
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first fight on the pay per view. Prime Video is

599
00:26:14,599 --> 00:26:17,200
gonna have three bouts on the that are free to

600
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the that you can watch even if you don't buy

601
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,039
the pay per view, and they have pretty good matchups

602
00:26:21,039 --> 00:26:22,839
on there. I mean that that could be like if

603
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they were doing a card that was not a pay

604
00:26:24,519 --> 00:26:26,839
per view card, they could just make this its own card,

605
00:26:27,599 --> 00:26:29,079
like on a you know what I mean, like if

606
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they were doing the old uh you know, if it

607
00:26:31,279 --> 00:26:34,720
was a lesser showtime card or a lesser disowned card

608
00:26:34,799 --> 00:26:36,839
or something like that. These are solid fights. The main

609
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,519
one though, to discuss is the return of Frank Martin,

610
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who's now going to be a junior welter rate has

611
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been out of the ring since he got knocked out

612
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,680
by Tank Davis by like fourteen months ago or something

613
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,480
like that. He's fighting the former two division champion Rancis

614
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,880
Partella May who has never made very good fights. But

615
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:52,720
I think he's all older now. Hopefully he'll be able

616
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:54,799
to make a better fight because his legs aren't as

617
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what they once wear. We'll see, but it's a good

618
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opportunity for Martin to make a splash, if you will.

619
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And then the division and then the other two fights

620
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are are maybe not sexy names in terms of recognition,

621
00:27:04,519 --> 00:27:06,720
but I feel like they're pretty solid matchups. You got

622
00:27:06,759 --> 00:27:09,759
Isaac Lucero was a good looking junior midleweight fighting the

623
00:27:10,759 --> 00:27:13,680
Roberto Valenzuela Junior, and then Luis Nunnez, who is a

624
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,319
promising featherweight. He's in there with Hector Sosa in a

625
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,680
ten rounder. So that's Those are the fights that start

626
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,240
at five thirty in the afternoon Eastern Time before the

627
00:27:21,279 --> 00:27:24,200
eight o'clock pay per view Eastern time on the on

628
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:25,480
the Prime Video pay per view.

629
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Speaker 2: All right, so you gave us a bunch on that. Excellent.

630
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,599
There is another world title fight as well earlier early

631
00:27:34,079 --> 00:27:37,880
Saturday morning US time, Saturday night in Australia. Ji Opataia

632
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:43,640
is back the lineal IBF cruiserweight champion fighting. I'm going

633
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:47,119
to say this a little known opponent in Hussein Sinkara.

634
00:27:47,279 --> 00:27:50,920
I did look up Sinkara. He is a Kurd born

635
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,519
in Germany, lives in Turkey. Don't know a lot about him.

636
00:27:54,559 --> 00:27:58,319
We know Opataia is a big puncher at cruiserweight. This

637
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,839
is basically set into play for him to have a

638
00:28:00,839 --> 00:28:03,559
big night in broad Beach, Australia. Give me a little

639
00:28:03,599 --> 00:28:05,920
more here on what you think about this early Saturday

640
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:07,240
for us in the United States.

641
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:08,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, so this is this third fight in a row

642
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,119
at the same venue in Broadbach. It's the Gold Coast

643
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,599
Convention and Exhibition Center. That's his home region. He lives,

644
00:28:14,599 --> 00:28:17,920
you know, a few minutes away from broad Beach. He's

645
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,720
fighting Sincar because he's a mandatory even though he's an

646
00:28:20,799 --> 00:28:23,279
unknown forty year old, even though he's got a nice

647
00:28:23,319 --> 00:28:25,599
record twenty three to ozho, nineteen knockouts. What do I

648
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,000
always tell you is, you know, to coin the phrase

649
00:28:28,039 --> 00:28:31,039
from my good Palace Steve Farhard when he was doing Showbox,

650
00:28:31,519 --> 00:28:33,799
Let's go behind the numbers, and it tells you that

651
00:28:33,839 --> 00:28:35,279
he fought a lot of nobody, He's in a lot

652
00:28:35,279 --> 00:28:38,400
of stiff rus and that that record is as manufacturers

653
00:28:39,079 --> 00:28:41,519
as anything you could think of. But Opataiah, if he

654
00:28:41,519 --> 00:28:43,400
wants to keep his IBF title, which he does, he's

655
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,960
taking the fight. He hoped that this would be a

656
00:28:46,319 --> 00:28:48,559
tune up ish type fight to lead him to a

657
00:28:48,799 --> 00:28:52,119
or unification against Zerdo Ramirez. Obviously that did not happen because,

658
00:28:52,119 --> 00:28:54,960
as we have discussed, he is moving. He's going to

659
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,319
not fight Opa Tai. He's gonna fight against you know,

660
00:28:58,839 --> 00:29:00,920
gonna take on the challenge of that Dennvidia is moving

661
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,319
up in May. If he wins his tunea fight in January,

662
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:08,640
so that leaves Opataia to still fight some relative nobody's now.

663
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,079
I think, as he has said leading up to this fight,

664
00:29:11,599 --> 00:29:13,960
since he can't do the Ramiers fight, he still wants

665
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,200
to unify titles. So that leads bad Due Jack. He's

666
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,359
going to turn his attention to him, and we'll talk

667
00:29:18,359 --> 00:29:20,480
about this in the next episode. But we got Badu

668
00:29:20,599 --> 00:29:23,240
Jack coming up with them now. He got a title

669
00:29:23,279 --> 00:29:25,839
defense coming up in a rematch against mckellian that takes

670
00:29:25,839 --> 00:29:29,640
place on December thirteenth in Los Angeles, so I'm sure

671
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:31,880
that he'll be keeping an eye on how Badu Jack

672
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,720
does in that fight. In the meantime. If this is

673
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like some of his more recent fights, the Henry Squayos

674
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:38,599
of the World and everything, I don't think it's going

675
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:40,599
to be much more than a workout. If you care

676
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,039
and you live in America, you can watch this fight now.

677
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,480
I don't really know what happened with this exactly, but

678
00:29:46,599 --> 00:29:48,720
most of the fights that Jai has done recently, for

679
00:29:48,839 --> 00:29:50,720
all of them, frankly, have been on his own. He

680
00:29:50,759 --> 00:29:53,279
is co promoted by Matchroom Boxing they obviously have their

681
00:29:53,319 --> 00:29:55,799
deal with his own, and he was also on some

682
00:29:55,839 --> 00:29:59,000
of Turkey's cards. That were in Saudi Arabia, but for

683
00:29:59,039 --> 00:30:02,039
whatever reason, the zone is not showing this fight in Australia.

684
00:30:02,079 --> 00:30:03,559
It's going to be on a pay per view platform

685
00:30:03,599 --> 00:30:06,200
in Australia. But in the United States, if you subscribe

686
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,640
or a character subscribe to the UFC Fight Pass, which

687
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,319
is going for boxing in a sense. That's where Tom

688
00:30:12,359 --> 00:30:15,960
Woeffler and three sixty promotions to their cards on a

689
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,799
regular basis. This card is being picked up by UFC

690
00:30:18,839 --> 00:30:20,799
Fight Pass. It doesn't cost extra as far as if

691
00:30:20,799 --> 00:30:22,839
you have a subscription, but it's on a two thirty

692
00:30:22,839 --> 00:30:25,480
in the morning Saturday night, Sunday.

693
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Speaker 1: I get what is it Saturday.

694
00:30:27,559 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 2: Morning for us? Saturday night for them? About thoirteen hours ahead.

695
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:34,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, so at two am Saturday morning technically for us

696
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,400
would be like late late Friday night, early Saturday morning. Anyway,

697
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:38,319
you can let me help you.

698
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 2: Let me help you again. It is Saturday morning in

699
00:30:41,039 --> 00:30:44,759
the United States, it's Saturday night in Australia. You always

700
00:30:44,799 --> 00:30:45,279
like to help me.

701
00:30:45,359 --> 00:30:48,079
Speaker 3: I'm helping you when I think of that timeframe. For me,

702
00:30:48,119 --> 00:30:49,920
it's still Friday night because I haven't gone to bed yet.

703
00:30:50,039 --> 00:30:53,039
Speaker 2: Well that's you. But it's early Saturday morning, just so

704
00:30:53,039 --> 00:30:55,319
we don't confuse it, and the main event will probably

705
00:30:55,359 --> 00:30:57,799
be because people ask about this, I've seen it put

706
00:30:57,799 --> 00:31:00,799
a couple places somewhere around four am or five am

707
00:31:00,839 --> 00:31:04,480
Eastern time. So unless you're a nut like Rayphael, you're

708
00:31:04,519 --> 00:31:07,599
probably not up at four or five am. But I

709
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,839
would assume UFC Fight Pass probably has at archive somehow.

710
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:11,640
Maybe they don't.

711
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 3: You're right, you probably could watch, yeah, because that's that's.

712
00:31:15,279 --> 00:31:17,119
Speaker 2: A struggle for a lot of people at four or

713
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:18,799
five in the morning. It's a little better when we

714
00:31:18,839 --> 00:31:22,079
do the Japanese boxing stuff and it's at seven am,

715
00:31:22,119 --> 00:31:24,480
even on a weekday. But let's see, and let's see

716
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:28,079
if the Opataia destroys this guy and then sets himself

717
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:29,240
up for Unifica.

718
00:31:29,799 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 3: Is the lineal champion. He's an undefeated champion. He is

719
00:31:33,559 --> 00:31:36,519
clearly number one in his weight class. He's exciting to watch.

720
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:38,680
I thought it was worthwhile to have a few minutes

721
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,720
of discussion, even if it's against you know, just a

722
00:31:41,759 --> 00:31:43,039
regular type opponent.

723
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 2: And he and he delivers big knockouts. He's been on

724
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,880
a couple of these Saudi shows. He destroyed what was it, Zoro? Right,

725
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,680
He beats Zoro as well as Uh. You know he

726
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,279
outdueled Zorro. I used that. There we go with an

727
00:31:53,279 --> 00:31:57,160
early knockout. All right, So Opataia fighting Saturday. There we

728
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,680
go with that. Onto some news and we had championship

729
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:04,960
fight as you mentioned on Thursday morning US time from

730
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:09,559
Thailand Thursday night in Thailand, and it is the WBC

731
00:32:09,799 --> 00:32:14,720
Junior flyweight title. The vacant title has now gone to

732
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,519
Tom Mumanan. Is that how we say it? Niamtrong, you

733
00:32:17,759 --> 00:32:22,799
are known as CP fresh Mark, right, CP fresh Mart

734
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:24,079
is a champ again, right now?

735
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 1: Tell me more knockout fresh Mark, isn't it.

736
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:27,039
Speaker 2: It's okay.

737
00:32:28,559 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 1: We just called him Niamtrong and I always call him

738
00:32:30,519 --> 00:32:31,079
your boy.

739
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,079
Speaker 2: My boy, my boy. Nam Trong is the winner.

740
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,839
Speaker 3: So Niamtrong was the long reigning WBA champion in this

741
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:41,039
in the strawweight division. He had an undefeated record. He

742
00:32:41,119 --> 00:32:43,759
had defended the title, you know, like I forget exactly

743
00:32:43,799 --> 00:32:46,880
like a dozen or so times. He lost it on

744
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:51,440
the lat Latina Latino Night card in uh in Saudi Arabia,

745
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,039
he got stopped in a one sided fashion against Oscar Colossal.

746
00:32:55,119 --> 00:32:57,119
Speaker 2: Laso destroyed him on that is correct.

747
00:32:57,279 --> 00:32:59,039
Speaker 3: So he moved up in waited. He had like a

748
00:32:59,039 --> 00:33:01,880
lot of the tie fighters. He took some lesser fights,

749
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,880
you know, a few of them in Thailand against you know,

750
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,880
terrible opposition. But he was staying busy and he was

751
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:12,200
supposed to be the fight. And this card is in Thailand,

752
00:33:12,279 --> 00:33:14,880
where he's from. But the WBC convention, which we're going

753
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:16,440
to talk about him, and it has been going on

754
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,640
this week in Bangkok, and so this was a boxing

755
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,160
event with some WBC regional title fights in this world

756
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,279
title fight on the card that was sort of a

757
00:33:25,279 --> 00:33:28,160
centerpiece of the convention, taking place in the same hotel

758
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,960
in Bangkok where the convention has been taking place. So

759
00:33:32,319 --> 00:33:34,720
the issue though was that he was supposed to be

760
00:33:34,759 --> 00:33:38,119
fighting against Canazalez, who was the champion from Venezuela. Because

761
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,039
of all the political upheaval and all kinds of issues

762
00:33:41,079 --> 00:33:44,039
in Venezuela, he was not able to travel to Thailand.

763
00:33:44,279 --> 00:33:48,440
So earlier this week the WBC announced that they had

764
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,240
placed him as an in recess champion because he can't

765
00:33:51,359 --> 00:33:53,759
leave his country. But he didn't lose or anything like that,

766
00:33:54,119 --> 00:33:56,000
and they would allow him when he comes out of

767
00:33:56,039 --> 00:33:59,079
recess to challenge for the title. Whenever, you know, he

768
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,519
is able to travel again, and in the meantime, the

769
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,680
Amtrong would still be fighting and the number three ranked

770
00:34:04,759 --> 00:34:07,759
WBC Junior flyweight, which is a guy named Junior Serat,

771
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,199
who was I guess on hand or on standby because

772
00:34:10,199 --> 00:34:11,639
I think they had an inkling that this was going

773
00:34:11,679 --> 00:34:14,519
to be an issue. He took the fight. So they

774
00:34:14,519 --> 00:34:16,960
were fighting for the vacant belt, and the Amtrong with

775
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,719
all that experience, won the fight, and it was, you know,

776
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:22,719
it was on his owne actually in the United States.

777
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,440
He won pretty clearly, one seventeen to one eleven, one

778
00:34:25,519 --> 00:34:28,199
sixteen to one twelve, and one sixteen to one twelve.

779
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,639
It wasn't a very scintillating fight. I have to be honest.

780
00:34:30,639 --> 00:34:32,599
I did not watch the entirety of it. I watched

781
00:34:32,599 --> 00:34:35,960
about maybe six or seven rounds of it. But he

782
00:34:36,039 --> 00:34:38,239
won the title. And now we'll see if Kenazalas can

783
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,119
get out of it as well and be able to

784
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,159
come back and make the fight. But again, whenever the

785
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:48,000
WBC has a convention every year, typically where the convention

786
00:34:48,119 --> 00:34:50,880
takes place, there's a card that is a company of it.

787
00:34:51,559 --> 00:34:53,519
They did it in you know, all over wherever they

788
00:34:53,559 --> 00:34:55,320
have these shows, and this was the one in Thailand

789
00:34:55,639 --> 00:34:58,119
and they featured a lot of high fighters.

790
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 2: We aim to serve and to keep the peeps informed.

791
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 3: Well, plus I couldn't resist because you're a boy in

792
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:05,000
the Armstrong is a champigain.

793
00:35:05,079 --> 00:35:07,159
Speaker 2: Maybe he got it back. He just needs to stay

794
00:35:07,159 --> 00:35:11,639
away from Colaso after what we saw in that fight. Okay,

795
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:13,920
so wait a minute, while we're here, why don't we

796
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:15,400
talk about the rest of the convention. Then we'll get

797
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:16,719
to the Hall of Fame class, because I know you're

798
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:18,760
gonna go for a bit on Triple G and Antonio

799
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:20,719
Tarvar and Nigel Bin getting in the Hall of Fame.

800
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:26,920
I'm thinking that Terrence Crawford is not invited to Mauricio

801
00:35:27,039 --> 00:35:29,400
Suliman's holiday party coming up.

802
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: Uh.

803
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:34,519
Speaker 2: This is because the WBC has taken stripped the uh

804
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,159
their version of the one hundred and sixty eight pounds

805
00:35:37,159 --> 00:35:41,239
super Middleweight Championship for failure to pay failure to pay

806
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:45,039
sanctioning fees, and Crawford went on a rampage. All right,

807
00:35:45,079 --> 00:35:47,559
so pick it up. This happened at the convention where

808
00:35:47,599 --> 00:35:50,119
Mauricio Suliman announced this, right.

809
00:35:50,119 --> 00:35:52,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is this entire thing is really unfortunate. And

810
00:35:52,559 --> 00:35:57,199
I see the positions on both sides, but I will

811
00:35:57,199 --> 00:35:59,639
say it like this in the one hand, when you're

812
00:35:59,679 --> 00:36:02,039
referred to Crawford, he and if you can watch the video,

813
00:36:02,079 --> 00:36:04,800
if it's still on his Instagram, he went about seven

814
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:09,000
or eight minutes and just went on a freaking rampage.

815
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:14,000
He mft Mauricio Suliman and the WBC a thousand times.

816
00:36:14,039 --> 00:36:17,039
I mean, and I've seen Terrence Crawford, you know, get

817
00:36:17,079 --> 00:36:19,840
a little chippy, though frankly I have faced it once

818
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,199
or twice in my day covering him, but not like that,

819
00:36:22,679 --> 00:36:23,239
not like that.

820
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: He really really was, like he did.

821
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 2: Not cap it Riddick bow style with taking the WBC

822
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,719
built and throwing it in the garbage. That did not happen.

823
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,119
You're here to verify that on after life. That did

824
00:36:33,159 --> 00:36:33,360
not know.

825
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 3: So the gist of it is the following. So he apparently,

826
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,920
and he doesn't even deny this, that he owed them

827
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,719
money of the sanction fees not only for the Canelo

828
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,519
Alvarez fight where he became the undisputed champion in September,

829
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:50,599
but also from the August twenty twenty August twenty twenty

830
00:36:50,599 --> 00:36:53,480
four fight where he defeated Israel Majamov and won the

831
00:36:53,599 --> 00:36:56,320
WBA Junior at middleweight title. Now you'd say, well, why

832
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,199
does he owe money to the wbcb's fighting in a

833
00:36:58,320 --> 00:36:59,400
WBA world title fight.

834
00:36:59,519 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: A couple reasons. Number One, if you.

835
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,039
Speaker 3: Are a champion and you're fighting out of the weight

836
00:37:03,079 --> 00:37:05,719
and you're fighting in another division, especially for another organization,

837
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,199
usually you have to pay a fee for to be

838
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,719
able to keep that belt while you're doing the other business. Secondly,

839
00:37:12,199 --> 00:37:14,079
and I didn't realize this to tell so many jobs,

840
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,400
jog my memory about this, I think this is correct.

841
00:37:16,559 --> 00:37:18,800
When he went into that fight, although it was for

842
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:23,960
the WBA's title, they also his team had asked the

843
00:37:24,079 --> 00:37:27,559
WBC to sanction it as a WBC Junior middleweight title

844
00:37:27,599 --> 00:37:30,599
eliminator as well, so there would be a fee for

845
00:37:30,639 --> 00:37:33,639
that as well. So the combination of the two he

846
00:37:33,679 --> 00:37:36,199
owed the organization about four hundred thousand bucks and he

847
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,039
has not yet paid and one thing to let go

848
00:37:39,119 --> 00:37:41,719
from August twenty twenty four to the present, but the

849
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,360
other one that was a bigger payday, and at some

850
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,320
point they had to put their foot down. If you

851
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,920
listen to what Mauricio Suliman said in front of everybody

852
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:52,960
at the convention, they had contacted Terence Crawford, his management, is,

853
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,840
his lawyer, etc. To you know, hey, you know, in

854
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:57,920
a friendly way. I guess you know you owe them

855
00:37:57,920 --> 00:37:58,199
any I.

856
00:37:58,159 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 2: Would like to joke an attempt to collect was made?

857
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:05,239
How specific an attempt or how vociferous in attemp point,

858
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:06,079
don't know, but go ahead.

859
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 3: Well, he said, they didn't even get so much as

860
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:12,800
a response to acknowledge it even had received the invoice.

861
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,079
Speaker 1: Orwever the email or whatever.

862
00:38:14,599 --> 00:38:17,639
Speaker 3: And I mean, look, they're not going to let you

863
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,079
not pay the fees, and so I get it. So

864
00:38:20,119 --> 00:38:21,159
they stripped them to the title.

865
00:38:21,199 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 1: Now.

866
00:38:21,519 --> 00:38:24,119
Speaker 3: Terrence Crawford's position was, why should I have to pay

867
00:38:24,159 --> 00:38:25,199
every time I step in the ring?

868
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 1: It's like a tax? This and that.

869
00:38:26,679 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 3: You're more for the fighter. You say you're for the fighter.

870
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:30,840
It sounds like you're more like a promoter. You know,

871
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:32,320
all you want to do is take our money. Blah

872
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:34,320
blah blah. You come to our nice events and you

873
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,400
stay in a five star hotel and you you know,

874
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,840
you eat at the big beautiful restaurants and the whole thing.

875
00:38:39,199 --> 00:38:41,599
And I'm like, oh, that's probably true, and I've seen

876
00:38:41,639 --> 00:38:43,280
some of that myself in my day of doing this,

877
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,559
But big butt. If you're going to be a world

878
00:38:46,599 --> 00:38:50,480
champion in terms of holding an organizational title that goes

879
00:38:50,519 --> 00:38:53,079
with the territory, Terrence Crawford didn't fall up a turn

880
00:38:53,159 --> 00:38:55,559
up truck yesterday. Guy's been a world champion for a

881
00:38:55,599 --> 00:38:59,159
long long time and multiple divisions has been undisputed in

882
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:00,320
three I'm.

883
00:39:00,159 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 2: In the WBC champion at Junior welter Wade and welter

884
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:04,960
Waight when he won the undisputed titles.

885
00:39:05,039 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 3: Exactly Yeah, so he and it's not just those those

886
00:39:08,039 --> 00:39:08,920
belts in WBT.

887
00:39:09,079 --> 00:39:11,679
Speaker 2: I mean, he's known about WBC sanctioning fees. Is the

888
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:13,719
only point I'm making by saying exactly so.

889
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 3: And I get the feeling based on the way he

890
00:39:16,039 --> 00:39:21,119
described it in his very uh R rated language curse

891
00:39:21,199 --> 00:39:24,039
filled tirade that it wasn't so much that he had

892
00:39:24,079 --> 00:39:26,039
to pay the fees that pissed him off. It was

893
00:39:26,079 --> 00:39:28,000
the noown that he had to pay. Based on this,

894
00:39:28,599 --> 00:39:30,559
and it's not an uncommon thing. I've seen this happen

895
00:39:30,599 --> 00:39:33,679
plenty of times. He owed the money on the fight. Now,

896
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:35,920
typically the sanctioned body takes three percent of the purse.

897
00:39:37,039 --> 00:39:39,800
Mauricio Suliman made the point, and he's one hundred percent right.

898
00:39:40,039 --> 00:39:42,599
They're weren't going in the WBC your cap though, So

899
00:39:42,679 --> 00:39:45,079
if you're making a purse of fifty million dollars like

900
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,920
Mauricio Suliman said that Crawford made, even though Crawford, you know,

901
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,000
didn't say how much he made. And it's frankly, if

902
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,559
it's not a public document like in some commissions, I

903
00:39:53,559 --> 00:39:55,519
guess it's not our business. But the thing that he

904
00:39:55,599 --> 00:39:57,840
said was we were never going to charge three percent

905
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,639
of fifty million dollars. The WBC as well as the

906
00:40:00,679 --> 00:40:04,119
other organizations, they cap the maximum. So if I'm not mistaken,

907
00:40:04,119 --> 00:40:07,679
in the WBC, the maximum sanction fee is three hundred

908
00:40:07,679 --> 00:40:10,960
grand and if you're making a purse that's three percent,

909
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:12,800
would be less than three hundred gand you pay three percent.

910
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,360
So if you're making one hundred thousand dollars, perse right,

911
00:40:15,679 --> 00:40:17,639
three percent of that. If you're making a fifty million

912
00:40:17,639 --> 00:40:20,280
dollars person, it's a maximum of three hundred thousand dollars. So,

913
00:40:20,559 --> 00:40:22,800
but Crawford made the point, and this happens a lot

914
00:40:23,079 --> 00:40:24,719
because it was such a high amount and you're dealing

915
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:26,880
with all four titles. Like it was just the BC,

916
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,119
he probably would have just paid it and been done.

917
00:40:29,199 --> 00:40:30,880
But if you got to pay a percentage, and it's

918
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:34,719
four organizations to have all the belts, you know, he

919
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,079
made deals with the other three organizations where they took

920
00:40:37,199 --> 00:40:40,039
less money. So we paid like the organizations of the

921
00:40:40,079 --> 00:40:43,199
BA and the BO and the IBF. I am told

922
00:40:43,199 --> 00:40:45,239
by sources about one hundred to one hundred and fifty

923
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,920
thousand a piece, but Mauricio and the WBC would not

924
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,760
budge off the three hundred. Now Mauricio counters said, look,

925
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:54,000
that was only point six percent of fifty millions. But

926
00:40:54,039 --> 00:40:56,800
again Crawford was pissed that the other ones were willing

927
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,400
to play ball and the WBC wasn't.

928
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 2: So he just and you made tens of millions of dollars.

929
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:04,880
If it was important to you, you should have paid

930
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:06,840
the fee. And if not, then you know you got

931
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:08,760
the other three titles at super middleweight. And there's some

932
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:10,960
belief he's not going to fight again at super middleweight.

933
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:15,119
Speaker 3: And there's also a very significant underlying thing here. Yes

934
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,920
the title, Yes, he refused to pay the money. Who

935
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:22,800
is Terence Crawford's benefactor? Right now, who's paying the freight

936
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:26,280
for his fights? The Turkey al Chic is Turkey alk.

937
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,679
Turkey al Sheik is the owner of the Ring magazine

938
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,159
the Ring Magazine belt, whether it's under Turkey or it

939
00:41:31,199 --> 00:41:34,079
was under the Oscar de la Hoya administration, or before

940
00:41:34,119 --> 00:41:36,119
that when it was not owned by a promoter, if

941
00:41:36,159 --> 00:41:38,679
you won the Ring Magazine title, they gave you the

942
00:41:38,679 --> 00:41:40,800
belt for free, there was no sanction fee, and you

943
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,559
were considered the real champion of the division, a belt

944
00:41:43,599 --> 00:41:46,360
that was more notable than an organizational ton of because

945
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,719
theoretically it meant you're the lineal champion, you're the man

946
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,920
who beat the man, You're the acknowledging universal consensus number

947
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:55,840
one in the division. But they have an agenda. They're

948
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,280
trying to maneuver away from the sanctioning bodies. Why do

949
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,719
you think ZUFA Boxing has been doing a ton of publicity.

950
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,039
I saw my old agent, Nick Cohn, who was heavily

951
00:42:04,039 --> 00:42:06,719
involved in that, doing the rounds on various podcasts and

952
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:08,440
youtubes and talk shows, and.

953
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 2: They went before they went before Congress. So there's sing

954
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,159
yes on Thursday. As a matter of fact, yes.

955
00:42:14,199 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 3: So the one thing that Nick made points and they're valid.

956
00:42:17,039 --> 00:42:18,519
I mean, I don't disagree with them at all that

957
00:42:18,519 --> 00:42:21,920
there's too many organizations, too many titles, too many weight divisions,

958
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,000
blah blah blah. And if you want to continue to

959
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,199
play by those rules, you know, you can still do

960
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:27,840
that under what we're trying to do in terms of

961
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,599
amending the Ali Act, you can still do that. I

962
00:42:30,639 --> 00:42:33,960
think where there's something that I'm he's right about all that.

963
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,559
But what they don't talk about is that the issue

964
00:42:36,559 --> 00:42:39,639
that most people in boxing have with what they're trying

965
00:42:39,639 --> 00:42:43,559
to do in terms of the amendment, you know, to

966
00:42:43,599 --> 00:42:45,920
the new Muhammad Ali Amendment they're trying to get passed

967
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:49,280
in the Congress. The sanctioning body part of it is

968
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,800
not the key. The critical part of the Ali Act

969
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,559
is about the financial disclosures that if you if this

970
00:42:55,639 --> 00:42:57,800
new thing is passed and you're the boxer in the

971
00:42:57,800 --> 00:42:59,760
main event of a big show, you're not going to

972
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:01,599
know what the revenues are, so they can pay you

973
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:03,679
ten million dollars and you'll be like, shit, that's a

974
00:43:03,679 --> 00:43:05,480
lot of money. But if the event is generating one

975
00:43:05,559 --> 00:43:09,400
hundred million dollars, you're probably getting shafted. So the sanctioning

976
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:10,880
body part of this where they want to do their

977
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:12,599
own rankings and they want to do their own titles.

978
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:14,920
That is part of it, an important part, but it's

979
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,960
not the most important part. So he's accurate. When Nick

980
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,000
and and and Dana White and all the people that

981
00:43:20,079 --> 00:43:23,239
advocate for the change of this amendment, they're right, but

982
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,960
they leave out the important part to a boxer.

983
00:43:26,039 --> 00:43:28,079
Speaker 2: Still, they're pointing to this example and saying, look at

984
00:43:28,119 --> 00:43:28,599
this example.

985
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 3: But the reason I'm saying this is because Crawford completely

986
00:43:31,519 --> 00:43:35,440
railing against the WBC and he conveniently is the ring champion,

987
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:36,920
conveniently being.

988
00:43:37,519 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 2: Even said in the ring. He even said in the

989
00:43:39,519 --> 00:43:42,239
rant because I read my Danilo tech, I didn't pay

990
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:45,519
anything for this belt. It's free, which is a sanctioning fee.

991
00:43:45,559 --> 00:43:46,719
There's no sanctioning fee for it.

992
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,039
Speaker 3: But you're even if you're not a Turkey fighter and

993
00:43:49,079 --> 00:43:50,320
you win a ring title, you don't have to pay

994
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,159
a sanctionaryce. So that's a good thing. I like that,

995
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,239
But again, you know, you know what you're signing up for.

996
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,599
So either don't do a WBC title fight and then

997
00:43:57,599 --> 00:43:59,519
you have to worry about being paid, you know, paying

998
00:43:59,559 --> 00:44:01,679
them for anything, or if you do it, then you've

999
00:44:01,679 --> 00:44:03,559
got to have to pay the piper, as simple as that.

1000
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 2: And I know and don't complain about what they're doing.

1001
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,199
The only thing that I continue to say, and I

1002
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:10,920
know we got to move on is these organizations do

1003
00:44:11,039 --> 00:44:14,880
whatever they want. This is the same organization that allowed

1004
00:44:15,079 --> 00:44:19,480
Jamal Charlow to keep the WBC middleweight title for three years,

1005
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:23,840
hold it hostage while fighting no one, and had no

1006
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:27,239
problem saying to the public we'll do whatever we want here.

1007
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,559
We won't make him fight at all against anybody, and

1008
00:44:30,599 --> 00:44:31,559
he can still be our chance.

1009
00:44:31,679 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 1: That's a fair point.

1010
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 3: Now if you listen to what they say, and I'm

1011
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,599
just trying to be fair to both sides here, they say, look,

1012
00:44:36,679 --> 00:44:38,159
he was having a lot of the problems.

1013
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:42,039
Speaker 2: Does matter for three years?

1014
00:44:42,119 --> 00:44:44,559
Speaker 1: I get it. Three years what they were saying.

1015
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:46,119
Speaker 2: I don't care what their place like the guy that's

1016
00:44:46,119 --> 00:44:48,840
in court that's been found guilty, that's trying to tell

1017
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,280
me the reasons why he did whatever the crime, you

1018
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:54,400
did the crime. It's the same thing here in this

1019
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,920
case of they will make up whatever.

1020
00:44:57,519 --> 00:45:01,519
Speaker 3: So the bottom line parents Crawford no longer has status

1021
00:45:01,519 --> 00:45:04,559
as the undisputed champion, which by definition is having all

1022
00:45:04,599 --> 00:45:06,800
the belts. Clearly is still the number one guy in

1023
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,800
the division. Still he's the champion, He's got the other belts,

1024
00:45:10,119 --> 00:45:11,679
and he still hasn't made the decision.

1025
00:45:12,159 --> 00:45:16,119
Speaker 2: Do you believe that a that an Alvarez rematch is

1026
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:22,000
realistic from what you're hearing, realistic, possible, possible, But I

1027
00:45:22,079 --> 00:45:24,599
believe he may not fight anymore at super middleweight and

1028
00:45:24,639 --> 00:45:26,559
may come back down to middleweight anyway and start trying

1029
00:45:26,559 --> 00:45:28,880
to accrue titles. So what is this He may have

1030
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,199
to relinquish all the belts coming up, is the only

1031
00:45:31,199 --> 00:45:33,559
thing I'm supposing. I don't know, We'll see.

1032
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:35,760
Speaker 3: I think that the fight, first of all, is only

1033
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,239
a couple months ago. He's been celebrating, and you know,

1034
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:40,360
Canelo had his surgery, so neither one of them are

1035
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,760
ready to come back to the ring immediately. They just made,

1036
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,480
you know, crazy amounts of money. But when you stop

1037
00:45:45,519 --> 00:45:47,239
and you actually sit down and think about what's the

1038
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:50,920
next play, He's not, he said specifically. I mean, sure

1039
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:52,800
he can change his mind, but he clearly about not

1040
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,119
going back to jingor middleweight. So again, if you're gonna

1041
00:45:55,119 --> 00:45:57,440
go to middleweight, if you're doing it for one reason,

1042
00:45:57,519 --> 00:45:59,599
it's the fight for a title to make the history

1043
00:45:59,599 --> 00:46:01,480
of having want to title and get another weight division.

1044
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,079
We already know how terrible the middleweight division is overall

1045
00:46:04,119 --> 00:46:06,920
in terms of star power and all that I got.

1046
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,199
You and Canelo, I'm sure would love to do the

1047
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:11,239
rematch to try to get the get the get the

1048
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:13,480
licked back, as they say, but we'll have to wait

1049
00:46:13,519 --> 00:46:15,079
and see it. But again, Turkey's gonna have to be

1050
00:46:15,199 --> 00:46:17,280
the one that's gonna make the decision. If they want

1051
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:18,880
to do the fight, someone's gonna have to pay for it.

1052
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:20,679
If it's not on pay per view and they go

1053
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:22,679
back to Netflix, and frankly, if they put it on

1054
00:46:22,679 --> 00:46:24,320
pay per view, I don't think after we've already seen

1055
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:26,280
it once and it wasn't a great fight, it's not

1056
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,920
exactly gonna generate you know, crazy crazy money on pay

1057
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,320
per view will sell, It'll obviously sell, but not at

1058
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,119
the not that I won't to do a million buys

1059
00:46:33,159 --> 00:46:36,119
in my opinion. So we'll have to wait and see

1060
00:46:36,159 --> 00:46:36,840
what they decide to do.

1061
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:37,280
Speaker 1: All right.

1062
00:46:37,639 --> 00:46:42,320
Speaker 2: So also from the convention, h Alexander Usik wants to

1063
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:46,440
fight Deontay Wilder. This is legitimate, right, Yeah, we have

1064
00:46:46,639 --> 00:46:48,519
and then we have more stuff with Connor Binn and

1065
00:46:48,559 --> 00:46:50,760
the WBC, but get to Usik and Wilder real quick first,

1066
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:51,920
because I want to get to your Hall of Fame

1067
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:52,599
ballance stuff going on.

1068
00:46:52,639 --> 00:46:55,599
Speaker 3: Okay, So Usik of course was mandated to the WBO

1069
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,079
mandatory against Fabio Wardley, which I thought would be a

1070
00:46:58,079 --> 00:47:01,280
good fight, would probably be the popular fight in the UK,

1071
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:05,119
would do business. Wardley was fromly a worthy contender, a

1072
00:47:05,159 --> 00:47:07,440
guy that would just had just made a spectacular fight

1073
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,480
against Joseph Parker, had had a drama fight in the

1074
00:47:10,559 --> 00:47:12,280
last fight when he came back out of nowhere and

1075
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:15,559
scored a one punch knockout against Justice Hooney. So there

1076
00:47:15,599 --> 00:47:17,320
is a lot going for that fight. But he decided

1077
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:19,199
I'm going to give it up and you know, I

1078
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,320
want to do some other things. Okay, that's his probabative.

1079
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:22,679
He's a great champ. Let him do what he wants

1080
00:47:22,679 --> 00:47:25,519
to do. But for to give up the title to

1081
00:47:25,639 --> 00:47:28,480
no longer be undisputed and say now I want to

1082
00:47:28,519 --> 00:47:31,400
fight Deontay Wilder instead of Fabio Wardley, I think I

1083
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:33,719
mean no offense to Wilder, But at this moment in time,

1084
00:47:34,079 --> 00:47:36,760
Fabia Wardley's clearly ahead of Deontay Wilder, who, yes, he's

1085
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,079
coming off of the victory in his last fight after

1086
00:47:39,079 --> 00:47:41,679
having been knocked out so badly before that. But he

1087
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:45,000
didn't exactly look like Deontay Wilder of old. He looked

1088
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:46,280
more like the old Deontay Wilder.

1089
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:48,320
Speaker 2: Can I just tell you I defended Wilder for a

1090
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,440
while and really believed he would have a great chance

1091
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,719
against Anthony Joshua. So I come with this credibility. He's done,

1092
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,320
He's been done. I don't have any interest in that fight.

1093
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:58,000
I don't know about you. I don't have any interest

1094
00:47:58,039 --> 00:47:58,440
in that fight.

1095
00:47:58,519 --> 00:48:01,599
Speaker 3: I mean, this is only it's really because you want

1096
00:48:01,639 --> 00:48:03,840
to see Usik. As you know, anytime Usik fights, I

1097
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:05,880
want to watch him because he's everyweight champion. With Wilder,

1098
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:07,719
you never know if he lands the big bomb. But

1099
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:09,559
I don't think he really has much of a chance

1100
00:48:09,559 --> 00:48:12,599
against Usink because he didn't land the big bomb against

1101
00:48:12,599 --> 00:48:13,079
the guy that.

1102
00:48:13,079 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 2: Was Plus, are we only going to see Usik maybe

1103
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,199
a couple of more times, because what else is there

1104
00:48:18,199 --> 00:48:19,800
to prove? So that we need to waste one of

1105
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:23,599
them on Deontay Wilder. And he's an American. I'm saying this,

1106
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:24,840
and I defended it before.

1107
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 3: But if they do the fight, if there's a decent

1108
00:48:27,079 --> 00:48:28,880
chance based on everything I have heard that they might

1109
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,079
do it in the United States, that would be, I

1110
00:48:31,119 --> 00:48:33,239
guess a good thing. But even still, I'm not really

1111
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,159
that interested in the wild I mean, if Wilder gets

1112
00:48:35,159 --> 00:48:36,880
to fight, I mean, good for him. I don't I'm

1113
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,159
not anti Deontay Wilder by any stretch of the imagination,

1114
00:48:39,519 --> 00:48:42,159
but I just don't think it tickles the fancy of

1115
00:48:42,199 --> 00:48:44,119
the public. I do think that in the UK anyway,

1116
00:48:44,159 --> 00:48:45,400
the Wordly fight would have done so.

1117
00:48:45,679 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 2: Yes, and it just hot fighter that just upset Joseph

1118
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:51,599
Parker makes a lot.

1119
00:48:52,039 --> 00:48:55,599
Speaker 1: I'm just like, it just annoys me. I mean, whatever, is.

1120
00:48:55,559 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 2: There a door number three besides Wordley and Wilder? Stay tuned.

1121
00:49:01,119 --> 00:49:03,960
By the way, are we back to the WBC again,

1122
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:06,320
and we'll do whatever's in our best interest?

1123
00:49:06,559 --> 00:49:08,360
Speaker 1: This is about this is what happened at the convention.

1124
00:49:08,559 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, Connor benn is suddenly the number one welterweight for

1125
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:13,360
the WBC.

1126
00:49:15,079 --> 00:49:17,199
Speaker 3: They made him the number one contender. They also and

1127
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:19,559
again I've said this many times and I wanted I'm

1128
00:49:19,559 --> 00:49:22,079
gonna preach it till I die, just because you're number

1129
00:49:22,079 --> 00:49:24,119
one on the WBC does not mean you're the mandatory.

1130
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:27,199
In this particular case, he was made number one and

1131
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:30,719
the mandatory they've already said you're the mandatory. Now the

1132
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,840
champion of the WBC is Mario Barrios. It's not one

1133
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:35,880
hundred percent done yet, but most likely he's going to

1134
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:39,519
be defending the title February twenty first against Ryan Garcia.

1135
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:43,559
Another ill advised WBC situation. In my mind, they again

1136
00:49:43,679 --> 00:49:47,280
and I try to be nice, but sometimes you just

1137
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:50,119
gotta be real. What they've done in the welterweight division

1138
00:49:50,159 --> 00:49:53,480
is just so crazy to me. They've they're giving Ryan

1139
00:49:53,519 --> 00:49:56,039
Garcia the opportunity to fight for a title when a

1140
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:58,639
he lost and got dropped.

1141
00:49:58,679 --> 00:50:02,360
Speaker 2: His his only f at welterweight, he got dropped and lost, right, it.

1142
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:04,760
Speaker 3: Was only official. His only official fight at wealth rate.

1143
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,000
The last fight, which was an unofficial fight that he

1144
00:50:07,039 --> 00:50:09,119
had at welterweight was the Devin Hainey fight where he

1145
00:50:09,159 --> 00:50:10,880
came in three something pounds.

1146
00:50:11,199 --> 00:50:13,199
Speaker 2: That was I thought that was junior welterweight, but maybe

1147
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:13,840
we have that mixture.

1148
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:15,679
Speaker 3: It was supposed to be junior welter but then he

1149
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:19,599
became a welterweight, so Hainey was the junior welterweight WBC champion,

1150
00:50:19,639 --> 00:50:21,679
but when he weighed in at one hundred and forty

1151
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:24,400
three pounds and change, he was fighting as a junior

1152
00:50:24,559 --> 00:50:28,119
welterweight right so, and that, by the way, was the

1153
00:50:28,159 --> 00:50:31,440
fight where he he got a positive drug test and

1154
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:34,119
got suspended for a year and forfeited his entire purse.

1155
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:38,480
So in his recent history, drug test positive and then

1156
00:50:38,639 --> 00:50:42,079
dropped and lost against again and did the did the time,

1157
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:44,639
and then got dropped and lost in a horrible fight

1158
00:50:44,639 --> 00:50:48,320
against Roly Romero. And for that he's rewarded with a

1159
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:51,760
title fight after they unsuspended him because they had suspend

1160
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,199
him originally not for the positive drug test, not for

1161
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:57,239
being overweight, but because before that he had gone on

1162
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:59,679
a crazy tirade where he dropped the N word like

1163
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:02,199
fifth times and say how much he hates black people.

1164
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:07,480
So the combination of losing drug use, being a piece

1165
00:51:07,519 --> 00:51:10,159
of shit racist and now you're getting a world championship fight.

1166
00:51:10,559 --> 00:51:13,519
And then on top of that they put Connor Benn,

1167
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,119
who by the way, hasn't fought at a welterweight level

1168
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:17,639
in like, I don't know three.

1169
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:20,880
Speaker 2: Years, correct, is the last time he fought as a welterweight.

1170
00:51:20,559 --> 00:51:22,760
Speaker 3: And by the way, also was out for a long

1171
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:26,280
time because of his own ped situation. And yes, he

1172
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:27,400
just won the title.

1173
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:30,800
Speaker 2: Or I can feel it coming, you don't feel it coming,

1174
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:33,719
whether it's the Crawford hold on, whether it's the Crawford situation,

1175
00:51:34,199 --> 00:51:37,119
the Usak Wilder or this situation. Do you want to

1176
00:51:37,159 --> 00:51:38,519
say it or do you want me to say?

1177
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:39,559
Speaker 1: What are we doing it?

1178
00:51:39,679 --> 00:51:41,159
Speaker 2: What are we doing here?

1179
00:51:41,519 --> 00:51:44,519
Speaker 3: So he's gonna fight for the mandatory or he is

1180
00:51:44,559 --> 00:51:47,519
the mandatory when he's not won a meaningful fight in

1181
00:51:47,519 --> 00:51:50,320
the welterweight division. Yes, he did win a big fight

1182
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:54,079
against you Bank Junior at middleweight, but what about the

1183
00:51:54,079 --> 00:51:57,440
guys who have been doing their business? I had the question.

1184
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:02,559
Solomon Susoko not a popular guy, not a big time name,

1185
00:52:02,639 --> 00:52:06,079
not a fucking superstar, not not a fighter that anybody

1186
00:52:06,079 --> 00:52:08,360
aed American knows. But the dude went out there and

1187
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:12,079
he kicked ass against mean machine Kavalawskis in an official

1188
00:52:12,159 --> 00:52:15,800
title eliminator. He sits number two in the rankings. Based

1189
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:17,760
on that alone, he should have been moved to number

1190
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:21,480
one before Connor Ben. Connor Ben got it because connor

1191
00:52:21,559 --> 00:52:26,280
Ben means money, He lines pockets, He says the right

1192
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:28,719
things in public. I always wanted to be a WBC

1193
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:32,079
champion because my daddy Nigel was a WBC champion, and

1194
00:52:32,119 --> 00:52:35,039
they gave him this chance. There's no reason they could

1195
00:52:35,079 --> 00:52:37,800
have still approved him for an optional defense. Still would

1196
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,440
be a big fight, but they have basically taken Sissoko

1197
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,400
and said, you know what, You've been coming up our

1198
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,639
rankings for years. You finally won the eliminator, but go

1199
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:47,639
fuck yourself. It's not stop.

1200
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:49,800
Speaker 2: Paying all and can we tie it all together. You've

1201
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:53,519
been paying sanctioning fees too, that's true also to do this.

1202
00:52:54,079 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: So I just I'm I don't look.

1203
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:58,840
Speaker 3: There's a lot of things about the WBC that I

1204
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:02,480
love and respect and like, and I'm all four in

1205
00:53:02,559 --> 00:53:06,000
the way that they've dealt with this welterweight situation is

1206
00:53:06,199 --> 00:53:07,840
just an abomination in my opinion.

1207
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 2: All Right, I want to cheer you up because the

1208
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:14,559
International Boxing Hall of Fame Class of twenty twenty six

1209
00:53:14,639 --> 00:53:18,880
has been announced. You're a longtime voter advocate of a

1210
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:21,119
lot of fighters in situations. What did you think the

1211
00:53:21,199 --> 00:53:26,800
headlining names are Triple G, Antonio Tarvor, Tarbor, Time, Nigel

1212
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:30,480
ban The dark Destroyer. They're all in on this class.

1213
00:53:30,519 --> 00:53:30,840
Speaker 1: What are you?

1214
00:53:31,039 --> 00:53:31,679
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts?

1215
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:32,119
Speaker 1: Go ahead?

1216
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:34,559
Speaker 3: I mean they're all they were all tremendous fighters, obviously,

1217
00:53:34,639 --> 00:53:38,400
I mean heart first of all, Glofkin was an automatic

1218
00:53:38,519 --> 00:53:40,559
in my opinion, especially when you look at who was

1219
00:53:40,599 --> 00:53:42,519
available on the ballot. There was forty two people on

1220
00:53:42,559 --> 00:53:45,079
the ballot. You could vote for five. They elect the

1221
00:53:45,079 --> 00:53:47,519
top three unless there's a tie, or anybody that gets

1222
00:53:47,519 --> 00:53:50,559
above eighty percent of the total, which is extremely hard

1223
00:53:50,599 --> 00:53:52,760
to do. So the trip, the fact that Glofkin gets

1224
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:54,440
in on the first ballot is not a surprise. He's

1225
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:56,639
one of the greatest metal wights of all time, one

1226
00:53:56,679 --> 00:53:59,599
of the most devastating punchers of all time, and he

1227
00:53:59,679 --> 00:54:01,719
deserves it. You know, he is one of the best.

1228
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:03,719
He's a silver medal winner in the Olympics. It's a

1229
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:05,199
big It's been a big couple of weeks for him

1230
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:08,159
because today as we tape this, you know, there was

1231
00:54:08,199 --> 00:54:09,840
announced that he was elected the All of Fame that

1232
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:12,559
the guys who got elected and the gals who get elected,

1233
00:54:12,639 --> 00:54:15,000
they're notified about a week beforehand. They're just supposed to

1234
00:54:15,079 --> 00:54:18,360
keep it a secret. But also it wasn't more than

1235
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:20,519
a few days around that time where he also was

1236
00:54:20,559 --> 00:54:23,320
elected by acclamation to be the president of World Boxing,

1237
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:26,559
which will oversee the Olympic Games in the upcoming Los

1238
00:54:26,599 --> 00:54:29,440
Angeles Olympics. So big, big week for Triple G to

1239
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:32,159
be elected president of that organization for the Olympics, and

1240
00:54:32,199 --> 00:54:34,239
now to become a Hall of Famer. It's a huge

1241
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:36,199
honor for Nigel Ben. That was an interesting one to

1242
00:54:36,199 --> 00:54:38,400
me because he's been on the ballot for a long time,

1243
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:40,840
and while I'm not saying he doesn't deserve to be

1244
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:42,920
in the Hall of Fame, it struck me as highly

1245
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:47,000
bizarre that in the year in which Steve Collins, who's

1246
00:54:47,039 --> 00:54:49,400
on the ballot for the first time, who knocked Nigel

1247
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:51,559
Ben out twice, granted at the end of Nigel's career,

1248
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:54,039
but also has two wins, including a knockout against Chris

1249
00:54:54,119 --> 00:54:56,800
you Bank, he didn't get in. And I'm also thinking

1250
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:59,559
to myself, Nigel Ben and Chris Eubanks Senior have been

1251
00:54:59,559 --> 00:55:01,840
on the ballot for about seven or eight years, probably

1252
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:04,639
had not gotten in. And I'm trying to understand if

1253
00:55:04,679 --> 00:55:06,880
you're a voter and you and you checked the box

1254
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,440
for Nigel, how are you not also checking in a

1255
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:13,679
box for you Bank. They're basically the same in many respects.

1256
00:55:13,679 --> 00:55:15,639
They fought in the same two divisions at middlewaight and

1257
00:55:15,639 --> 00:55:18,239
super middle eight. They both won titles in both divisions.

1258
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:21,159
They fought each other twice. Obviously you Bank got the

1259
00:55:21,199 --> 00:55:23,559
knockout against him in the first fight, which was spectacular.

1260
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:25,599
They got a draw in the second fight, which was

1261
00:55:25,639 --> 00:55:27,679
a very obviously could have gone either way to most people.

1262
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:31,119
And they fought some of the same opponents. So I'm

1263
00:55:31,159 --> 00:55:33,440
not anti Nigel ben being the Hall of Fame. I'm

1264
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:36,440
just perplexed that that there's somebody out there that checked

1265
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:38,400
his name but didn't also check the U Bank name.

1266
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:40,840
So I always felt like, if they're gonna get in,

1267
00:55:41,679 --> 00:55:44,039
like they should go in together like peanut butter and jelly,

1268
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:46,559
you know, and if they're still in each other, make

1269
00:55:46,599 --> 00:55:48,480
them face each other once again on the podium.

1270
00:55:48,639 --> 00:55:51,639
Speaker 2: Is there anybody else that you believe should have gotten

1271
00:55:51,679 --> 00:55:53,960
in here? Is there a name that should have gotten

1272
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:56,039
in here that did not? Or are you fine with

1273
00:55:56,119 --> 00:55:57,199
who was left out? Also?

1274
00:55:57,599 --> 00:55:59,599
Speaker 3: Well, I voted I voted for a different I didn't

1275
00:55:59,639 --> 00:56:01,239
I mean, like I said, I voted for I used

1276
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:04,639
all five of my votes. Obviously Triple G was one

1277
00:56:04,639 --> 00:56:07,880
of them, and I didn't vote for Nigel Ben or Tarvar. Again,

1278
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:09,920
I'm not a post to them being in, but I

1279
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:12,920
voted for people like I think who was criminally underrated

1280
00:56:13,119 --> 00:56:15,400
should have been in years ago. In my opinion, no

1281
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:17,599
offense that those other guys should be in before them,

1282
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:21,760
and that is the great Puerto Rican champion Israel, Raphael

1283
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:26,920
hold On, the great Puerto Rican champion Vasquez Senior. And

1284
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:29,800
there's also Israel Vasquez, who was another fighter that I

1285
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:34,400
voted for. One Mexican Vasquez, one Puerto Rican Vasquez. Both,

1286
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:39,000
you know, tremendous fighters. He's been criminally underrated.

1287
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:39,280
Speaker 1: This is well.

1288
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:42,760
Speaker 3: Fredo Vasquez Junior, who was a three division world champion featherweight,

1289
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:46,480
junior featherweight, bantamweight, was in a tremendous battles, fought a

1290
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:48,440
lot of quality fighters, had a long prayer, fought for

1291
00:56:48,519 --> 00:56:51,480
twenty some years nineteen eighty one to two thousand and two.

1292
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:54,079
I don't understand why he's not in the Hall of

1293
00:56:54,079 --> 00:56:56,719
Fame at this point. I also voted for Israel Vasquez,

1294
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:59,360
as I mentioned, I know he died not that long ago.

1295
00:56:59,519 --> 00:57:03,239
He was one half of the greatest trilogy of recent

1296
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:06,400
times not named Barrera Morales or Mickey Ward and Arturo

1297
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:08,960
Gotti or you know, four fights he had actually technically

1298
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:11,360
with Rafael Marquez, we don't really count the fourth fight,

1299
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:15,239
but you know he won titles multiple times. That junior

1300
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:18,920
featherweight was has a very underrated resume. I voted for

1301
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:23,440
Darius Mikolchewski, who was a longtime light heavyweight champion. You know,

1302
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:25,079
I got to like forty eight and zero before he

1303
00:57:25,119 --> 00:57:27,760
lost his first fight. He didn't fight Roy Jones. That's

1304
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:29,119
the hang up a lot of people have, but it

1305
00:57:29,159 --> 00:57:31,320
wasn't his fault. It was a fault of lots of

1306
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:34,360
other people, not him. But even if he didn't fight

1307
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:37,280
Roy Jones, if you're the second best light heavyweight for

1308
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:40,840
ten fifteen years and you also want a title at cruiserweight,

1309
00:57:41,079 --> 00:57:43,320
and you have that longevity and some good names, like

1310
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:45,960
he beat straight up Virgil Hill for example, to become

1311
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:48,880
the lineal champion at light heavyweight in a pretty big

1312
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:52,320
unification fight. You know, he beat like Montel Griffin also,

1313
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:54,360
who was the guy that had beaten Roy Jones. I'm

1314
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:56,599
just saying, like, to me, I've been voting for Mikkelchevski

1315
00:57:56,599 --> 00:57:59,280
in recent years. Also, I feel like he was more

1316
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:02,039
suited then than the other guys that got elected, at

1317
00:58:02,079 --> 00:58:04,280
least to go before them. As far as Tarvar look,

1318
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:07,079
I like Antonio Tarvor. I know Antonio personally. We have

1319
00:58:07,119 --> 00:58:10,559
a good relationship as do. I help me out with them,

1320
00:58:10,559 --> 00:58:11,800
not that long ago in a fight we were at.

1321
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:14,079
I mean, just a good dude. Love them, absolutely, love

1322
00:58:14,119 --> 00:58:17,559
Antonio Tarvor. I didn't vote for him because I can't

1323
00:58:17,559 --> 00:58:21,119
get past the one drug test. I get it sometimes

1324
00:58:21,159 --> 00:58:22,519
and I'm not like going to hold it against you

1325
00:58:22,559 --> 00:58:24,880
for the rest of your life. He had two and

1326
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:28,119
that's a problem. Uh, he does have two huge victories

1327
00:58:28,119 --> 00:58:31,280
against He was the first fight against Roy. He did

1328
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:33,719
beat some other very quality guys, like he had the

1329
00:58:33,719 --> 00:58:36,159
fights with Glenn Johnson, and he had plenty of other

1330
00:58:36,239 --> 00:58:36,719
rank guys.

1331
00:58:36,719 --> 00:58:38,599
Speaker 2: We have to light it up. He had an outstanding

1332
00:58:38,639 --> 00:58:41,079
battle with Rocky Balboa too. And you were part of

1333
00:58:41,079 --> 00:58:42,760
the movie, but you hit the cutting room floor trip

1334
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:45,480
that we we love Tarvor time. But it's a borderline

1335
00:58:45,599 --> 00:58:47,280
Hall of Fame case. But not anymore.

1336
00:58:49,039 --> 00:58:51,599
Speaker 3: If you're if you're you're a die hard boxing here.

1337
00:58:51,679 --> 00:58:54,119
You know, Cliff rolled my good pal who wrote for

1338
00:58:54,159 --> 00:58:56,679
many years for Boxing Scene. He does his own thing

1339
00:58:56,719 --> 00:58:59,079
on Substack now as well and does a lot of

1340
00:58:59,159 --> 00:59:02,400
historical stuff the Corner Stool. I would advise everybody to

1341
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:05,519
go check that out. Also, he's my go to guy

1342
00:59:05,559 --> 00:59:08,480
when we talk about history, like he's I consider he's

1343
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:10,679
like the young historian. I spoke to him today as

1344
00:59:10,719 --> 00:59:13,039
a matter of fact, when we were kind of hashing

1345
00:59:13,039 --> 00:59:15,239
over the Hall of Fame stuff, because he's big into

1346
00:59:15,239 --> 00:59:17,440
it as well, and he was making the case to

1347
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:20,920
me about Tarvar you know, statistically and the level of

1348
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:23,039
opponents that he faced and the where they were ranked.

1349
00:59:23,079 --> 00:59:26,400
He does hit the boxes, but the drug testing thing

1350
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:28,639
was a problem for me because it was multiple times

1351
00:59:29,079 --> 00:59:32,760
like it was. But again, talent wise and accomplishment wise,

1352
00:59:33,119 --> 00:59:35,079
he's all of Famer and he's gonna, you know, he's

1353
00:59:35,079 --> 00:59:37,360
gonna go in with a great class because Nigel Ben

1354
00:59:37,599 --> 00:59:39,880
gets in. I think Nigel gets in because he was

1355
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:42,000
the not only was he really good and won the

1356
00:59:42,039 --> 00:59:43,840
titles and was involved in some major fights, but he

1357
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:46,119
fought not only in the UK, but he came and

1358
00:59:46,119 --> 00:59:48,679
fought plenty of times in America. Whereas guys like U

1359
00:59:48,719 --> 00:59:52,880
Bank primarily stayed in Britain. He also was the action star,

1360
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:55,519
so he gets the bonus points for being not only

1361
00:59:55,559 --> 00:59:58,079
a really outstanding fighter, but he was the drama guy.

1362
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:01,039
He's probably he's the win of what is I don't

1363
01:00:01,039 --> 01:00:04,119
think is arguable is the greatest super middleweight title fight

1364
01:00:04,119 --> 01:00:06,239
in the history of the division. That was the one

1365
01:00:06,239 --> 01:00:09,159
that had the very tragic ending, however, against Gerald McClellan.

1366
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:11,000
But the rounds all the way up till when we

1367
01:00:11,039 --> 01:00:13,360
found out that Gerald was so severely injured is an

1368
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:19,800
absolutely pulsating, insane, glorious fucking yeah. So, you know, congratulations.

1369
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:21,679
It's a big year for Nigel because he gets into

1370
01:00:21,679 --> 01:00:23,679
Hall of Fame and he also saw his son, you know,

1371
01:00:23,719 --> 01:00:26,559
get revenge in the rematch against his great rivals son,

1372
01:00:26,639 --> 01:00:27,199
Chris Junior.

1373
01:00:27,519 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 2: And here's where I plugged for you. In the substack

1374
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:32,199
and the newsletter, they can read more about your ballot,

1375
01:00:32,199 --> 01:00:33,760
what you voted for, and I've been reading some of

1376
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:36,599
this as well. If you're on the substack, go check

1377
01:00:36,599 --> 01:00:39,039
it out for the twenty twenty six Hall of Fame class.

1378
01:00:39,039 --> 01:00:40,280
All right, we've been here for a second.

1379
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:42,119
Speaker 3: I want to just give you the other people that

1380
01:00:42,159 --> 01:00:44,119
got elected yeah, do it. So there was you know,

1381
01:00:44,119 --> 01:00:46,840
they voted more than one category. There's the women's category

1382
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:49,320
and the new you know observers and all the other

1383
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:52,599
stuff that you have. And so anyway, there was an

1384
01:00:52,679 --> 01:00:55,760
old timer elected. It was a lightweight to middleweight type

1385
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:58,159
of guy from like fought from like nineteen oh nine

1386
01:00:58,199 --> 01:01:01,280
to the nineteen twenties named Jimmy Klass. You can go

1387
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:01,960
look him up on it.

1388
01:01:02,079 --> 01:01:04,079
Speaker 2: I would like to tell the audience you did not

1389
01:01:04,119 --> 01:01:04,880
cover Jimmy Klatt.

1390
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:07,559
Speaker 1: I did not need to before the fil Neither did

1391
01:01:07,639 --> 01:01:08,800
Larry Merchant. You will.

1392
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:11,119
Speaker 3: You will not find video of him in the women's

1393
01:01:11,159 --> 01:01:14,239
modern category. And my feelings in the women's category are

1394
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:16,599
very clear. I wrote about it extensively in my in

1395
01:01:16,679 --> 01:01:19,320
my column who I voted for that the women at

1396
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:23,000
the moment is does not have worthy candidates. There will

1397
01:01:23,039 --> 01:01:25,400
be some more in the future. The ones that deserve

1398
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:27,880
to be elected have already been elected. But nonetheless they

1399
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:30,519
put two in, Jackie Nava from Mexico who was pretty

1400
01:01:30,519 --> 01:01:34,800
popular fighter, and Naoko Fujoka from Japan. They are the

1401
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:37,119
female candidates this year that were elected in the non

1402
01:01:37,119 --> 01:01:41,119
participant category. My good friend Russ Amber, who was a

1403
01:01:41,119 --> 01:01:43,079
great guy and a great trainer and a great cutman.

1404
01:01:43,599 --> 01:01:45,480
The creator of the Rival Boxing Year brand.

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Speaker 1: He got in.

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Speaker 3: He's a Canadian guy who was the first world champion

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he had was Otis Grant years ago. But he's been

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in the corner as a cupman and as a very

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important strategist for Alexander Usik with Vasiliolomachenko before he retired.

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Was a big part of the team when Deontay Wilder

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was heavyweight champion. I mean, the guy's been in been

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behind the scenes on so many great fighters. It's ridiculous.

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There's a reason why he's so integral to some of

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these teams. He knows what the fuck he's talking about,

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what he's doing. The late referee, Frank Cappuccino probably most

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master for being the third man in the ring for

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Gaddy Ward one and as the tenth round began. After

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that devastating ninth round where there was some confusion about

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whether the fight would be over or not, that they

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might be stopping it in the corner of Arturo Gatti,

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he called him to the center ring. No, no, no, no,

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fight ain't over yet. Fight ain't over, So Frank, you know,

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unfortunately he's not gonna have lift to see his election

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his election, but.

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Speaker 2: Very famously counted out Michael Spinks too, that tyson Michael

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Spinks ninety second destruction.

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Speaker 3: Yes, you also have the late great trainer and cutman

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Jimmy Glenn, a beloved figure by all and by the way,

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not that this is why he got in the All

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of Fame, but he owned for many years and then

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his son became the owner of the famed boxing bar

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in Midtown Manhattan called Jimmy's Corner. Which you've ever gone

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to New York for a big fight and you haven't

1434
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:04,800
gone to hang out on a Friday night or a

1435
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weeknight at that bar, you miss something great. You also

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have a doctor, Flip Pomansky, the long time the ring

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and physician in Nevada. He was elected to the Hall

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of Fame and in the Observer category. The late Alex Walou,

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who did the commentary for ABC from nineteen eighty six

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until two thousand when they ended their coverage. Worked with

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the broadcast partners like Jim Lampley and Al Michaels and

1442
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Dan Diridorf, a tremendous broadcaster. People know him as for

1443
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boxing people we know him as the broadcaster. But after

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that he worked his way up became the freaking president

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of ABC. Unfortunately he passed away just a few months ago,

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but you know, he's a very well deserving guy. And

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then the other person elected the observer category, my good

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buddy who I have sat ringside next to, probably for

1449
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more fights next to me than any other person I've

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sat next to at ringside over the last twenty some years,

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and that's Kevin Ioli. First when he was working at

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the Las Vegas Review Journal as the boxing reporter. Then

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he left and basically helped create the vertical for Yahoo's Sports. Also,

1454
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this is not why he's elected to the Boxing Hall

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of Fame, but spent a long long time also at

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01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:12,679
the top level covering UFC. He retired about maybe six

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months ago, and so I called him, Kevin bro I

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01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:19,840
had known the results of the election yesterday under an embargo,

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so I knew he was elected. So I did call

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Kevin just to congratulate. We had a nice conversation. He's

1461
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very pumped up about it, very excited, and you know,

1462
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it's another great class of people that are getting into

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the Hall of Fame this year. It's going to be

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fantastic The inductions are in June, by the way in

1465
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:35,760
Canistota where the Hall of Fame is, and then down

1466
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the road where they have the ceremony at the Turningstone

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Casino ten minutes away in Verona.

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Speaker 2: All Right, a couple of quick items and then we're out.

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We talked on the last pot about Tea Fimo Lopez,

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Shakur Stevenson. It is now official for January thirty. First,

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they're going to have a press conference coming this week. Correct,

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01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:56,840
it's not confirmed. I didn't see this any of the

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stuff that it's definitely at Madison Square Garden. Could be

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somewhere else in New York.

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Speaker 3: No, what do you know, it's going to be a

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Madison Square Garden. As a matter of fact, I reached out.

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So I don't know why they didn't announce that. I'm

1478
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:10,000
not sure if maybe the paperwork's not officially signed right,

1479
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or whatever the case may be. But I talked to

1480
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some of my peeps at the garden. I know a

1481
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lot of people work at Madison Square and I've been

1482
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covered fights there for a long time. And one person

1483
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I asked said, I don't know why they announced it,

1484
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because they're having the fight here. So and that's where

1485
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:24,599
it should be. I mean, it's it's a perfect look.

1486
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 2: Event, the event with those names. So you'll will find

1487
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out more from the fighters this week, and I'm sure

1488
01:05:29,599 --> 01:05:31,320
to you FEMA will be entertaining and they were already

1489
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trading barbs in the UH in the press release.

1490
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Speaker 1: It's a big fight. I'm this, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Arguably the biggest fight right now between two Americans. I

1492
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know Fulton and Foster are fighting as the co feature

1493
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fights bigger than that, but this is much bigger with

1494
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the notoriety of both. So yes, we are looking forward

1495
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to that fight, and they'll have the presser this week

1496
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on this coming week on Wednesday. And one more note,

1497
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because you've been keeping track of poor Frank Sanchez, can

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he get anybody to fight him for the IB.

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Speaker 1: We got it, We got it.

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Speaker 2: We have a name and I'm actually intrigued by this name.

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Speaker 3: Go so it's going to be Richard Torres Junior, now

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Richard Torres Junior, the top rank heavyweight, the United States

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silver medal winner. He was offered to fight at one point,

1504
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but I guess the reason he didn't take it was

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because he had another fight scheduled. But he probably could

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01:06:23,199 --> 01:06:25,079
have bailed on that because it was against that Thomas

1507
01:06:25,079 --> 01:06:26,840
Salek who he knocked out in the first round. That

1508
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:28,679
wasn't really much of a fight. He did that fight

1509
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back a couple weeks ago in Mexico. So all these guys,

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Frank took everybody they offered him, but you had a

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whole bunch yet Faa, Jagba, Moses Ama, Torres, Dango Dubi,

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I think Hergievich also, they all turned him down for

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different reasons, and they were just going down the ranking.

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So once they got to Duwa and Dua turned it down,

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Duwa pulled out like the you know, an hour before

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the purse bid. And so if they continued to go

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down the rankings, the next guy was gonna be Jared Anderson.

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But the IBF actually did something intelligent. You know, I

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always say the IBF does IBF things. I'll give them

1520
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credit for this because Frank Stanchez is like three in

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the rankings, one is vacant like typical, and Jared was

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number six. But in between them you had Richard Torres,

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who would already turn down the fight. But once the

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fight he had in Mexico was over and he had

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scored the first round, not out. He suddenly he's now

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available again. So rather than continue to go down the

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rankings to six to get the Jared, they went back

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up to reconvene with Richard. Torris said, Okay, you're available again.

1529
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Do you want to do the fight? And at that

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point Torres and his team, his management top ranked, they

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01:07:29,519 --> 01:07:32,159
said yes, we're in. So they're now ordered to negotiate

1532
01:07:32,199 --> 01:07:35,519
that fight. He could so pull out or whatever, but

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01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:38,920
they notified the IBF and writing, we will partake in

1534
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:41,920
this negotiation in this situation, and if they don't make

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01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:44,880
a deal, it will go to a purse bid. You know,

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01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:49,400
I believe the perspid would be on December seventeenth, I

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01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:51,880
want to say, and then they'll go through that process.

1538
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:54,599
But it feels like they finally have found an opponent

1539
01:07:54,679 --> 01:07:56,760
for Frank Sanchez. The fight and the winner becomes the

1540
01:07:56,800 --> 01:07:59,400
mandatory challenger for the IBF heavyweight title.

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Speaker 2: And did in seeing Torria step up. We talked about

1542
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that when he won that fight in Mexico and this

1543
01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:07,320
would be a step up. Yeah, and Sanchez allegedly has

1544
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:12,280
an opponent. Stay tuned, all right, you and I are

1545
01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:16,239
ready for this PBC on Prime Pitbull Roach main event

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01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:20,439
co feature with Fulton and Foster. Also Arislondy Laura with

1547
01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:24,600
a middleweight title fight Jesus Ramos as well on the

1548
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:28,680
pay per view, and also ji Opataia the IBF Cruisweight

1549
01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:32,239
Champion separate card early Saturday in Australia. All fighting this weekend.

1550
01:08:33,399 --> 01:08:35,359
We've we've given you a lot of preview, a lot

1551
01:08:35,359 --> 01:08:36,960
of news. What do you say we come back off

1552
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:39,880
the weekend and recap all of this once it's all

1553
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:43,920
done here? Sound good to you. Let's see what happens with.

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Speaker 3: All of this, and I'll say to the peeps. Also

1555
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on Sunday night on the show, we will have an

1556
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interview that I conducted with the WBC Cruiserweight Champion, Bad

1557
01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:54,159
Dude Jack, who's going to defend that title in a

1558
01:08:54,239 --> 01:09:00,479
rematch against Noel mckellian on December thirteenth, that Saturday on PPV,

1559
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:03,680
dot Com, the regular pay per view channels, etc. On

1560
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:05,800
your linear television. So we'll see what Bad Do has

1561
01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:08,000
to say about the rematch of their very close fight

1562
01:09:08,039 --> 01:09:10,840
that took place back earlier this year on the Canelo So.

1563
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Speaker 2: You'll hear from him Sunday, you'll hear from us, You'll

1564
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hear from him. I love all of it. In the meantime,

1565
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:19,199
read Dan on the substack and the newsletter. Find the

1566
01:09:19,199 --> 01:09:22,439
Big Fight Weekend YouTube page as well for our content.

1567
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:25,239
That's there, Big Dan, have a good weekend. I'll talk

1568
01:09:25,239 --> 01:09:26,560
to you coming off the weekend, my friend.

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Speaker 1: All right, you bet.

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01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:29,520
Speaker 2: By the way, for the record, I finally stopped drooling

1571
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about halfway through the pod after the oral surgery.

1572
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Speaker 1: I just thought i'd up to take you on my

1573
01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:34,960
novities or fillies.

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Speaker 2: That is correct. All right, there you go. Apples, Preak

1575
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or Spotify is where you find this as we head

1576
01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:43,479
into the weekend on the Big Fight Weekend Preview Podcasts. Bye.