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Speaker 1: have a recording of uh Donald Trump and President Ramoposa
Speaker 1: of UH South Africa, and Donald Trump is is is
Speaker 1: going to make some accusations, accusations saying that Ramo Posa
Speaker 1: is putting a situation in place in South Africa that
Speaker 1: is causing a genocide, in which case Donald Trump has
Speaker 1: already resettled sixty uh Uh africaners from South Africa into
Speaker 1: the United States, saying that they were fleeing a political genocide.
Speaker 1: So a little bit of history about South Africa. Of course,
Speaker 1: we know they coming into the nineteen nineties that there
Speaker 1: were there were many global protests around the world about
Speaker 1: apartheid and how to put an end too the apartheid
Speaker 1: in how it was actually hurting people instead of helping
Speaker 1: promote a unified to South Africa. We also know that
Speaker 1: at the forefront of that was Nelson Nelson Mandela, which
Speaker 1: there is some difficulties with with with Nelson Mandela as
Speaker 1: as a four figure for a unified South Africa because well,
Speaker 1: in some people's eyes, he was actually a terrorist because
Speaker 1: he took hostage a school bus and he held he
Speaker 1: held school students hostage until he was heard by the
Speaker 1: South African press, which does bring about some valid points
Speaker 1: of you know, he put visibly, he put in harm's
Speaker 1: way school children and holding a a school bus hostage.
Speaker 1: It's that is definitely something that should be seen as
Speaker 1: a criminal offense and it and it by today's standard
Speaker 1: of course, would be seen as a terrorist act by
Speaker 1: a by no streucture of matter, should that protector particular
Speaker 1: act be seen as as a righteous act. It should
Speaker 1: be seen as as a criminal actor, which brings about
Speaker 1: some problems with UH because Nelson Mandela was al was
Speaker 1: also UH president of South Africa for a while and
Speaker 1: he died as as a national hero. But national heroes
Speaker 1: don't always have all heroic acts. There are there are
Speaker 1: some things that that sometimes people do that that are
Speaker 1: not exactly UH and should never be seen as as heroic.
Speaker 1: That particular one that would be one one of those
Speaker 1: particular things. But are the African actually sitting in a
Speaker 1: state of of genocide or is it or are they
Speaker 1: trying to create a situation where they can get a
Speaker 1: white supremacy to be a thing. And in South Africa, well,
Speaker 1: white supremacy in av we could be seen as as
Speaker 1: acts of terror where groups of of white supremacists attacking
Speaker 1: those who they who they think are l are not human.
Speaker 1: So we have a what we do actually know or
Speaker 1: for a fact in South Africa that there is a
Speaker 1: situation where there's extreme crime and a lot of that
Speaker 1: crime is centered in areas where there are uh people
Speaker 1: of of of color living and and there are instances
Speaker 1: of of crime happening in the raw areas where farms
Speaker 1: are being burnt. So it's not necessarily a situation of genocide,
Speaker 1: but it is clearly a situation where South Africa has
Speaker 1: a crime problem and a problem that desperately does need
Speaker 1: to be fixed and could be fixed by fixing it's
Speaker 1: over thirty two percent unemployment rate and helping them with
Speaker 1: commerce so that people have jobs and they have a
Speaker 1: way of finding prosperity within that country. So, while it's
Speaker 1: difficult to watch your points, while don't we look to
Speaker 1: what happened in the Oval Office when President Ramaposa and
Speaker 1: President Trump actually met and they had their discussion over
Speaker 1: acts that are have being in South Africa.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much everyone.
Speaker 3: It's great honor to be with the President of South Africa,
Speaker 3: President rever Posa. And he is a man who is
Speaker 3: certainly in some circles really respected, other circles a little
Speaker 3: bit less respected, like all of us in all fair
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 2: We also have a few of my friends.
Speaker 3: Ernie el is a great golfer, he's a truly great golfer.
Speaker 3: And Rattif Gluson, who's an other really we call him
Speaker 3: really a great golfer to Earnie right, the two guys
Speaker 3: are fantastic, and we could add Gary to the group,
Speaker 3: Gary player, what a group of golfers.
Speaker 2: As South Africa's head of this. There must be something
Speaker 2: in the water, right, something good.
Speaker 3: These two guys are under.
Speaker 2: Gary.
Speaker 3: Gary's Gary and David Frost also another one that I
Speaker 3: know is such a great one. Was he was He
Speaker 3: as good a putter as they saying David. He's a putter,
Speaker 3: he's a putting machine, right, But he's another one. Something
Speaker 3: very good about South Africa and golf and golf is
Speaker 3: still doing great in South Africa and they have young players.
Speaker 3: I hear coming up that are going to be very good.
Speaker 2: But it's an honor to have you here.
Speaker 3: And my friend, it's an honor to have you one
Speaker 3: of the greatest businessman in South Africa, and long and
Speaker 3: long be thank you for being here. It's very very great.
Speaker 3: Appreciate it. So we're going to be discussing certain things.
Speaker 3: As you know, we have the G twenty is going
Speaker 3: to South Africa. What is that going to be in November?
Speaker 3: In November there I hand over to you.
Speaker 2: Yes, we have an you originated the deft hand over
Speaker 2: to you and you.
Speaker 3: Need the We're gon we're gonna have it the following year.
Speaker 3: So we'll be discussing many things and some of the
Speaker 3: things you've been reading about in the papers and the media.
Speaker 3: And I would say that, look, the President is a
Speaker 3: truly respected men in many many circles, and in some
Speaker 3: circles he is considered a little controversial. But we're going
Speaker 3: to be discussing some of the things that are taking
Speaker 3: place in South Africa and see if we can help.
Speaker 2: And we want to help. And we've had a long
Speaker 2: relationship with South Africa.
Speaker 3: I have because indirectly I have so many friends that
Speaker 3: live there, I have a lot of friends. I mean,
Speaker 3: these are famous guys, but I have a lot of
Speaker 3: friends that live there that are tremendous people. And we'll
Speaker 3: be discussing that. We'll have a nice conversation. And I
Speaker 3: really appreciate that you guys came along. It's really it
Speaker 3: really helps us in our thought process. But it is
Speaker 3: a great honor to have you, and I appreciate you
Speaker 3: called you. He called.
Speaker 2: I don't know where he got my number, but I
Speaker 2: bring you up. I want to come over and see you.
Speaker 2: That was my honor. Thank you very much for being here.
Speaker 5: Much well, thank you very much for welcoming us to
Speaker 5: this reformed White House. I've been here before and it
Speaker 5: looks really fantastic. I must congratulate you. Thank you, But
Speaker 5: I also thank you for allowing our delegation. This is
Speaker 5: a very mixed delegation that you've got. We've got people
Speaker 5: from government, my minister's, I've got someone from the trade
Speaker 5: union movement we really collaborate with, and from business as well.
Speaker 5: And I was sporting legends when I spoke to you.
Speaker 5: You said, yes, come along and bring Gary Player or
Speaker 5: bring any else and rechief person.
Speaker 2: I brought the two of them.
Speaker 5: Gary Cray when I spoke to him, and he said, look,
Speaker 5: I'm getting rather on in my years, but wishes us
Speaker 5: luck in this discussion with you. So it's a real joy.
Speaker 5: And I'd also like to thank you for allowing your
Speaker 5: people to study discussions with us at the trade level.
Speaker 5: I mean, we are essentially here to reset the relationship
Speaker 5: between the United States and South Africa.
Speaker 2: We are long long standing partners in many many ways.
Speaker 5: We've collaborated in many fields in space issues, in energy,
Speaker 5: and in trade, and we therefore need to reset that,
Speaker 5: particularly in the light of some of the announcements that
Speaker 5: you made on trade and investments. So we want to
Speaker 5: advance more trade between the two of US two countries,
Speaker 5: and people now have been empowered by yourself and by
Speaker 5: myself to start engaging, and we hope that we will
Speaker 5: be able to fuel that engagement during our talks. And
Speaker 5: we also want to discuss issues that have to do
Speaker 5: with how we promote further investments in both countries. We've
Speaker 5: got about twenty two companies from South Africa that have
Speaker 5: invested in the US, thus creating a number of jobs.
Speaker 5: And similarly, you've got almost six hundred companies that have
Speaker 5: invested in South Africa, and some of them have been
Speaker 5: in South Africa for more than a hundred years, so
Speaker 5: our links are really long lasting, and we would like
Speaker 5: to recalibrate those relations between our two countries and discuss
Speaker 5: a whole range of issues geopolitical. The work that you're
Speaker 5: doing to bring peace around the world in Ukraine and
Speaker 5: in the Middle East, so we value that and we
Speaker 5: are also a great contributor to peace processes that are
Speaker 5: going on around the world. Of course, we want to
Speaker 5: discuss how we can support each other. You are a
Speaker 5: much bigger economy than we are. We are just the
Speaker 5: timing economy, but we rely on each other on a
Speaker 5: number of issues. We've got critical minerals that you want
Speaker 5: to fuel the growth of your own economy and rein
Speaker 5: industrial lives, so we have that on offer, including rare minerals.
Speaker 5: So all that combination of opportunity and the products that
Speaker 5: we buy from you as well as what we sell
Speaker 5: to you, I believe makes up a really good and
Speaker 5: powerful relationship which we need to strengthen, which we need
Speaker 5: to engender, and that is really what has brought us
Speaker 5: here and we are really privileged to have, you know,
Speaker 5: great South Africans in the mix, as you said you'd
Speaker 5: like to see them as well, and that brought you
Speaker 5: a really fantastic golf book. Weighs fourteen kilograms and it
Speaker 5: showcases the golf courses in our country, Johann Rupert wrote preface,
Speaker 5: So did any else, and I want to showcase our
Speaker 5: golf courses.
Speaker 2: You might remember when I spoke to you and we
Speaker 2: spoke about golf.
Speaker 5: You said I should start practicing, and I've started practicing present,
Speaker 5: so I'm ready. But let me end just the introduction
Speaker 5: remarks by thanking you. You may not recall that five
Speaker 5: years ago I spoke to you during the COVID period, right,
Speaker 5: and it was at a time when the whole world
Speaker 5: was going through a really cathartic moment, and we asked
Speaker 5: for assistance and we were able to assist us with
Speaker 5: rest blessed respirators, respirators, and you kept words and you delivered.
Speaker 2: Respirators to us.
Speaker 5: We didn't have as many in our country, and it
Speaker 5: really helped to deal to help us deal with COVID.
Speaker 5: So I'm here also to say thank you and to
Speaker 5: thank the people of America for having helped us during
Speaker 5: a really difficult time. Being this small economy that we are,
Speaker 5: we needed help from around the world and you were
Speaker 5: there to provide that.
Speaker 2: So thank you very much.
Speaker 3: Remember the call, Yeah, we said one hundred and fifty
Speaker 3: respirators who became the respirator king. We started making them.
Speaker 3: Nobody had them. We had very few of them, that's right,
Speaker 3: but they were very helpful. But we sent one hundred
Speaker 3: and fifty. And I appreciated the letter. You wrote me
Speaker 3: a letter, and that's right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank I appreciate it. Thank you very much for that.
Speaker 5: Really touched to my heart after I spoke to you
Speaker 5: and you delivered great honor.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 6: Any questions white africanor and refuge you see, can you
Speaker 6: explain to Americans why it's appropriate to welcome white africaners
Speaker 6: here when other refugees like Afghans, Betetts Way, when Haitians
Speaker 6: have all had their type of status revoked.
Speaker 3: Well, this is a group NBC that is truly fake news.
Speaker 3: They ask a lot of questions that are very pointed
Speaker 3: way they're not questioned their statements. We've had tremendous complaints
Speaker 3: about Africa, about other countries too, from people they say
Speaker 3: there's a lot of bad things going on in Africa,
Speaker 3: and that's what we're going to be discussing today. When
Speaker 3: you say we don't take others or all you have
Speaker 3: to do is take a look at the southern border.
Speaker 3: We let twenty one million people come through our border,
Speaker 3: totally unchecked, totally unvted.
Speaker 2: They came from all over the world. In many cases
Speaker 2: they're criminals.
Speaker 3: They come from prisons, they come from mental institutions, they
Speaker 3: come from street gangs, they drug dealers. So don't say
Speaker 3: that we didn't take them. We'd take them. We're trying
Speaker 3: to get them out as fast as we can and
Speaker 3: we're doing record business on that.
Speaker 2: And we just want a big case.
Speaker 3: We're allowed to send back hundreds of criminals to Venezuela.
Speaker 2: Just won that today in the Supreme Court. I'm happy
Speaker 2: to hear. But we do have a lot of.
Speaker 3: A lot of people are very concerned with regard to
Speaker 3: South Africa, and that's really the purpose of the meeting,
Speaker 3: and we'll see how that turns out.
Speaker 2: But we have many people that feel they're being persecuted
Speaker 2: and they're coming.
Speaker 3: To the United States. So we take from many many locations.
Speaker 3: If we feel this persecution or genocide going on and
Speaker 3: we had a lot of people. I must tell you,
Speaker 3: mister President, we have had a tremendous number of people,
Speaker 3: especially since they've seen this. Generally they're white farmers and
Speaker 3: they're fleeing South Africa and it's you know, it's a
Speaker 3: very sad thing to see. But I hope we can
Speaker 3: have an explanation of that, because I know you don't
Speaker 3: want that, and it's you know, it's a kind of
Speaker 3: a different meeting. Normally we have meetings we talk about trade,
Speaker 3: and we'll be talking about trade and other things, but
Speaker 3: that certainly will be a subject that comes up. Yeah,
Speaker 3: please right.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much.
Speaker 3: Let get your boss on Leticia Jane director Poulte.
Speaker 6: According to him, Letitia James says that the alleged mortgage
Speaker 6: fraud was simply of a state.
Speaker 3: I want to get your bonds on that. Did you
Speaker 3: put down that her father was her husband in order?
Speaker 3: And this is very similar to I guess the false attacks.
Speaker 2: That had on you.
Speaker 3: Well, I don't know what it is currently, but Letitia James,
Speaker 3: who's the Attorney General of the New York State, it
Speaker 3: seemed I'm not involved in that at all. I know
Speaker 3: that it's being handled by various groups, I guess, but
Speaker 3: it's major fraud, mortgage documents and fraudulent everything. I think
Speaker 3: she said the father was her husband, which she had
Speaker 3: to have her husband and her so she chose her
Speaker 3: father and she put it down and she's had had
Speaker 3: then she uh sign in Virginia. Yet she's she said
Speaker 3: you lived in Virginia. Yet she's the New York State
Speaker 3: Attorney General. And she did that for tax reasons so
Speaker 3: she could take advantage of taxes. And she had the
Speaker 3: wrong number of units. She had a much different number,
Speaker 3: which wouldn't have allowed her to qualify and scam the government.
Speaker 2: So I don't know.
Speaker 3: I think she's very bad for New York. But I
Speaker 3: really don't know too much about it. But I appreciate
Speaker 3: the question. Thank you very much, side which thank you.
Speaker 2: Miss for President.
Speaker 7: So May twenty fifth will be the celebration of Africa Day,
Speaker 7: which pretty much a lot of celebration will be taking
Speaker 7: place around the world, including here in the United States.
Speaker 7: What is your message to the entire African continent African
Speaker 7: people in this important occasion.
Speaker 3: Well, I wanna see peace, and I wanna see happiness.
Speaker 3: I want to see health, and you know you have
Speaker 3: incredible land. Its tremendous value. A lot of countries don't
Speaker 3: have that value in the land, the value you have.
Speaker 3: You know, we have a situation. I think you probably
Speaker 3: heard about it. We've done, through some very talented people,
Speaker 3: helped settle a war that's been raging for years Rwanda
Speaker 3: and the Congo. And I think we've done it. I
Speaker 3: believe it or not, I think we've done it. And
Speaker 3: could you just say a few words about that, my friend.
Speaker 8: Yes, A couple of weeks ago we signed, they signed,
Speaker 8: the two parties signed the Decoration of Principles in which
Speaker 8: they've agreed on the way forward, and they have both
Speaker 8: submitted draft peace agreements and we we have put together
Speaker 8: one that incorporates both of their suggestions and we've given.
Speaker 4: It to them. So we're in the process of finalizing.
Speaker 4: Looking looking very good.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: We have to thank you for even those efforts, because
Speaker 5: African continent, particularly Sadak, our Southern African Development community has
Speaker 5: for years been seeking to foster peace in the Democratic.
Speaker 2: Republic of the Congo.
Speaker 5: So all efforts, including those from outside the continent and
Speaker 5: inside the continent are really worthwhile. We have just we
Speaker 5: are removing our troops from there, so that peace can
Speaker 5: then prevail in that whole area, and we hope that
Speaker 5: with the support of the international community, we will really
Speaker 5: have peace in that area.
Speaker 2: It's so vital, so important for the whole region. Well,
Speaker 2: we said to our people there, and I think we
Speaker 2: did a very good job. I shaid it by my
Speaker 2: friend and that was great. That was great.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm just hearing phenomenal reports because all I've
Speaker 3: hear is death, death, and the chopping heads off, and
Speaker 3: it's so horrible over there, and it was really brave
Speaker 3: of me to go there. I really appreciate it. And
Speaker 3: it looks like that, it looks like we have something very,
Speaker 3: very substantial. We also talked about trade with them in
Speaker 3: terms of rarer all but really bore for the It's like,
Speaker 3: if you take a look at what we just did
Speaker 3: with Pakistan and India. We settled that pole and I
Speaker 3: think I settled into a trade. We're doing a big
Speaker 3: deal with India. We're doing a big deal with Pakistan.
Speaker 3: And I said, what are you guys doing. You know,
Speaker 3: they somebody had to be the last one to shoot,
Speaker 3: but the shooting was getting worse and worse, bigger and bigger,
Speaker 3: deeper and deeper into the countries.
Speaker 9: And.
Speaker 2: We spoke to him and we I think we you know,
Speaker 2: I hate to say, we got it settled.
Speaker 3: And then two days later something happens and they say
Speaker 3: it's Trump's fault, but we Pakistan has got some excellent
Speaker 3: people and some really good great leader in India is
Speaker 3: my friend Modi and he's a mutual friend. Yeah, he's
Speaker 3: a great guy. And they call them both. We we
Speaker 3: just uh, it's something good.
Speaker 10: We uh.
Speaker 3: We're trying to settle Russia Ukraine and we spoke with
Speaker 3: President Putin for two and a half hours the day
Speaker 3: before yesterday.
Speaker 2: I think we made a lot of progress. But that's
Speaker 2: a bloodbath.
Speaker 3: Five thousand people are being killed a week, five thousand
Speaker 3: soldiers a week, not including people in cities and towns
Speaker 3: that are also being killed. So we're trying to help
Speaker 3: and it doesn't affect us. It's not our people, it's
Speaker 3: not our soldiers, it's not our it's Ukraine and it's Russia.
Speaker 3: But if we can say five thousand souls.
Speaker 2: Wasn't do it?
Speaker 3: You know, we're pretty good at it.
Speaker 2: But it's a that's a bad situation. That is a
Speaker 2: really bad situation.
Speaker 5: Well, you recall when President Zelenski was coming to South Africa.
Speaker 2: That's when I spoke to you. That's right.
Speaker 5: We both agreed that we need to push the peace
Speaker 5: message so that they can be really big peace.
Speaker 2: And we've been.
Speaker 5: Involved in the Ukraine Russia conflict for quite a while
Speaker 5: through my Minister of State Security here, we've been dealing
Speaker 5: with them the exchange of children who were taken away,
Speaker 5: going through names and addresses and all that. So we've
Speaker 5: been invested in that whole process as well, and the
Speaker 5: moves that you're making are fully.
Speaker 2: Supported by us because we would like to see the
Speaker 2: end of that whole.
Speaker 3: So I called Zelinsky and they said he's in South Africa.
Speaker 3: I said, what the hell is he doing in South.
Speaker 2: He was talking to.
Speaker 11: He said, what you're doing in South Africa. That's a
Speaker 11: strange one. He's trying to make the We you know,
Speaker 11: we we were lucky because we were the great nurse
Speaker 11: at Madela. We taught us how to create peace, to
Speaker 11: make peace. So we were imparting some of those lessons
Speaker 11: to him, some of those learnings, and I specifically mentioned
Speaker 11: to him that this is how nurs and manerla to
Speaker 11: us that when you want to have a peace in
Speaker 11: a country, do it on an unconditional basis and sit
Speaker 11: down and talk.
Speaker 2: And that's precisely what I'm sure he's going to heat.
Speaker 3: Well, I want to see what happens with that when
Speaker 3: it's a lot of there's a lot of hatred, there's
Speaker 3: a lot of a lot of death.
Speaker 2: It's a bloodbath.
Speaker 3: Is I get the Unfortunately, I get the satellite pictures
Speaker 3: of that field, of that killing field. You never said
Speaker 3: anything like it, and you lot a horrible it's horrible
Speaker 3: thing that goes on. But I think we've made big progress.
Speaker 2: Here.
Speaker 4: What are you expecting on the icy J case? Are
Speaker 4: you expecting South Africa to drop that?
Speaker 3: Is that what you try to rebate the icy J
Speaker 3: case against.
Speaker 2: I don't expect anything, to be honest, I really don't.
Speaker 12: I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's they've got occasions, a lot of anger there, tremendous anger.
Speaker 3: I don't expect anything. We'll see what happens.
Speaker 2: We'll have a ruling, and who knows what the ruling
Speaker 2: is going to mean.
Speaker 13: Yeah, on that subject or Gaza, mister President, are you
Speaker 13: going to be speaking to Prime Minister nets in Yahoo
Speaker 13: about Israel's renewed offensive there, there's been a lot of
Speaker 13: concern from European countries.
Speaker 4: The Pope's expressed concern.
Speaker 13: Are you going to be asking Prime Minister nets and
Speaker 13: Yah who to tone down the offensive in Gaza to
Speaker 13: let more aiden?
Speaker 2: Was there a question or a statement?
Speaker 3: Questions association changed?
Speaker 14: What would take from you for you to be convinced
Speaker 14: that there's no white genocide in South Africa?
Speaker 2: Well, I can answer that for PRIs.
Speaker 5: Rather, it did take President Trump listening to the voices
Speaker 5: of South African some of whom are his good friends,
Speaker 5: like those who are here. But we have talks between
Speaker 5: us on the quiet another quiet table. It will take
Speaker 5: President Trump to listen to them. I'm not going to
Speaker 5: be repeating what I've been saying. I would say if
Speaker 5: there was Africana farmer genocide, I can bet you these
Speaker 5: three gentlemen would not be here, including my men self agriculture.
Speaker 2: They would not be with me.
Speaker 5: So it'll take him President Trump listening to their stories,
Speaker 5: to their perspective.
Speaker 2: That is the answer to your question. But that we
Speaker 2: have none of.
Speaker 3: We have thousands of stories talking about it, we have documentaries,
Speaker 3: we have news stories. Is Natalie here somebody here to
Speaker 3: turn that I could show you a couple of things,
Speaker 3: and I would, I just I have to.
Speaker 2: It has to be responded to.
Speaker 3: Sure we have let me see the articles place of
Speaker 3: what you would and excuse me, turn the lights down,
Speaker 3: turn the lights down and just put this on. It's
Speaker 3: right behind you, yohun not linament can't do with what
Speaker 3: without you.
Speaker 15: People are going to occupy land who require no permission from.
Speaker 16: You, from the president, from nor what.
Speaker 3: We don't care.
Speaker 16: We can do whatever you want to do.
Speaker 15: Who are you to tell us whether we can occupy
Speaker 15: land or not. We are going to occupy land South
Speaker 15: African occupy land.
Speaker 16: That's who we are. Big.
Speaker 1: Can we.
Speaker 2: Never be scared to kill?
Speaker 15: And livous demand that at some point there must be
Speaker 15: killing because they're killing is part of a produce and act.
Speaker 4: Shoot to you know the song.
Speaker 16: To the poor, the foomull to the poor, the.
Speaker 2: Football boom.
Speaker 1: Boom today you my fun.
Speaker 2: The mayor of d j in b is a white man.
Speaker 15: So these people, when you want to hit their hearts,
Speaker 15: go after a white man and feel a terror for
Speaker 15: the pain because you have touched a white man, not
Speaker 15: because myselfa and so they will not be touched, there
Speaker 15: will be touched done. But who are starting with this whiteness?
Speaker 15: What cop in the throat of whiteness?
Speaker 2: Is that had su ok? Your mother's are the poor,
Speaker 2: the parma, the pool, the para hold.
Speaker 4: She took kill her mother's? Are the the.
Speaker 2: Poor? The future? And said you was not but the
Speaker 2: cheating or wife at least for I kind of gotta
Speaker 2: see the future.
Speaker 17: If you'd understand somebody watching that, especially as it gets channeled,
Speaker 17: whether they.
Speaker 2: Freak out, it sounds like a dicycle.
Speaker 16: Who shine you see bad? See bad?
Speaker 5: When I stroplies left about compensation, whether they like it
Speaker 5: or not, if they object seeing.
Speaker 2: Get in on any kinds Now, this is very man.
Speaker 3: These are These are burial sites right here, burial sites
Speaker 3: over a thousand of white farmers. And those cars are
Speaker 3: lined up to pay love on a sday morning. Each
Speaker 3: one of those white things you see is a cross
Speaker 3: and there's approximately a thousand of them. They're all white farmers,
Speaker 3: the family of white farmers, and those guards aren't driving.
Speaker 3: They stop there to pay respects to their family member
Speaker 3: who's killed. And it's a terrible sight. I've never seen
Speaker 3: anything like it. Both sides of the road. You have crosses.
Speaker 3: Those people are all killed. Have they told you where
Speaker 3: that is, mister president? Maybe you know, I'd like to
Speaker 3: know where that is because this I've never seen.
Speaker 2: I don't know, okay. I mean it's in South Africa.
Speaker 2: It's I need to find out.
Speaker 18: M M.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know, okay, mister president.
Speaker 6: The Pentagon announced it would be accepting a Katari jet
Speaker 6: to be used as air Force one.
Speaker 3: Perhaps you're talking about it. What does this have to
Speaker 3: do with the guitar jet? They're giving the United States
Speaker 3: Air Force a jet, okay, and it's a great thing.
Speaker 3: We're talking about a lot of other things. Is NBC
Speaker 3: trying to get off the subject of what you just saw?
Speaker 3: You are a real you know, you're a terrible report
Speaker 3: number one. You don't have what it takes to be
Speaker 3: a report, and you're not smart enough. But for you
Speaker 3: to go into a subject about a jet that was
Speaker 3: given to the United States Air Force, which is a
Speaker 3: very nice thing. They also gave five point one trillion
Speaker 3: dollars worth of investment in addition to the jet. Go back,
Speaker 3: You have to go back to your studio at NBC
Speaker 3: because Brian Roberts and the people that run that place.
Speaker 3: They ought to be investigated.
Speaker 2: They are so terrible the way you run that network,
Speaker 2: and you're a disgrace. No more questions.
Speaker 3: Go ahead, talk about that.
Speaker 6: Terrible if they're committing genocide the white that's my question though,
Speaker 6: let's go.
Speaker 19: Thank you so much, President Trump, and if the last
Speaker 19: one from NCA in South Africa, thank you very much.
Speaker 4: What would you like President Rama Poza to do about
Speaker 4: the situation?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know. Look, these are articles over the last few.
Speaker 17: Days, death of people, death, death, death, horrible death.
Speaker 2: Death.
Speaker 3: I don't know think anyone White South Africans are fleeing
Speaker 3: because of the violence and racist laws.
Speaker 2: And this is all I mean. I'll give these to you.
Speaker 2: So when you when you say what would I like
Speaker 2: to do?
Speaker 3: I don't know what to do. Look at this white
Speaker 3: South African couple say that they were attacked violently, Well
Speaker 3: I could do that.
Speaker 9: Look here's burial sites all over the place. They're all
Speaker 9: these are all white farmers that are being buried. He
Speaker 9: asks about a jet that was given. You know, you're
Speaker 9: you are so bad, You're such a bad report.
Speaker 3: President. This is one after another. The family was wiped
Speaker 3: out I'm just well, I think it's I think the
Speaker 3: videos are so no, no, when you look at the videos,
Speaker 3: I mean, how does it get worse? And these are
Speaker 3: people that are officials and they're saying that kill the
Speaker 3: white farmer.
Speaker 2: And take their land.
Speaker 3: That's what I want. And I have other friends in
Speaker 3: South Africa, people that left, one in particular that says
Speaker 3: it's you can't go there. He said, they want to
Speaker 3: take your land, they take your land and they kill you.
Speaker 3: It's okay. And they say it's okay to do. Now
Speaker 3: we're going to talk about it. But this is a
Speaker 3: tremendous Look, this is story of recent These are all
Speaker 3: people that recently got killed.
Speaker 2: And I don't know how it can get your worse.
Speaker 3: And you know the man that you saw, the men
Speaker 3: that you saw, the people that you saw that those
Speaker 3: are officials, those are people that were in office. They
Speaker 3: had one march, They had a dance in your parliament
Speaker 3: whatever you may call legislature.
Speaker 5: Let verify that, ye, let me clarify that, because what
Speaker 5: you saw, the speeches that are being made one that is.
Speaker 2: Not government policy.
Speaker 5: We have a multi party democracy in South Africa that
Speaker 5: allows people to express themselves political parties to adhere to
Speaker 5: various policies and in many cases or in some cases,
Speaker 5: those policies do not go along with the government policy.
Speaker 5: Our government policy is completely completely against what he was saying,
Speaker 5: even in the parliament. And they are a small minority
Speaker 5: party which is allowed to exist in terms of our constitution.
Speaker 2: But you do allow them to take land? No, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: do allow them to take land. Nobody can take.
Speaker 3: They take the land, they kill the white farmer. And
Speaker 3: when they killed the white farmer, nothing happens to them.
Speaker 2: Nothing happens. There is criminality in our country.
Speaker 5: People who do get killed, unfortunately through criminal activity.
Speaker 20: Are not about white people. Majority of them are black people.
Speaker 20: And we have now the farmers are black. The farmers
Speaker 20: are not black. I don't say that's good or bad,
Speaker 20: but the farmers are not black. And the people that
Speaker 20: are being killed in large numbers.
Speaker 3: And you see all those grave sites, and those are
Speaker 3: people that loved ones going. I guess on the Sunday
Speaker 3: morning they tell me to pay respect to their loved
Speaker 3: ones that were killed, their heads chopped.
Speaker 2: Off, they died, died violently. And you know, I mean,
Speaker 2: we're here to talk about it.
Speaker 3: And I don't know we get involved here, but I
Speaker 3: will say this that if the news wasn't fake like NBC,
Speaker 3: which is fake and it is totally one of the
Speaker 3: worst ABC, nbccbs are. But if they weren't fake news
Speaker 3: like this jerk that we have here, if we had
Speaker 3: real reporters, they'd be covering it. But the fake news
Speaker 3: in this country doesn't talk about that. They don't want
Speaker 3: to talk about it. But now they have to talk
Speaker 3: about it, but they won't. This won't even be a subject.
Speaker 3: They'll have him talking about. Why did a country give
Speaker 3: a free think of this? Why did a country give
Speaker 3: an airplane to the United States Air Force? Okay, the
Speaker 3: United States not to meet to the United States Air
Speaker 3: Force so they could help us out because we need
Speaker 3: an air force one until set's air force one. It
Speaker 3: is being built, two of them being built, but Boeing's
Speaker 3: a little bit late, unfortunately. So why did they give
Speaker 3: us a plane to the United States Air Force? That's
Speaker 3: what that idiot talks about after viewing a thing where
Speaker 3: thousands of people are dead.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I don't have a plane to give you.
Speaker 3: I wish you did. I would take it if your
Speaker 3: country offered. The United States h air for a supply,
Speaker 3: I would.
Speaker 2: Take it, okay.
Speaker 5: But coming back to this issue, which I really would
Speaker 5: like us to talk about and talk about it very calmly.
Speaker 5: We were taught by Nelson Mandela that whenever there are problems,
Speaker 5: people need to sit down around the table and talk about.
Speaker 5: And this is precisely what we would also like to
Speaker 5: talk about, including of course trade matters, investment matters, so
Speaker 5: the issues that concern you as the United States. And yeah,
Speaker 5: in many ways, I mean one one should say, you
Speaker 5: are a partner, partner of South Africa, and you are
Speaker 5: raising concerns, and these are concerns.
Speaker 2: That we are willing to talk to you about. Let
Speaker 2: me just add quickly. You know, the.
Speaker 5: Communology that we're experiencing, our country needs quite a lot
Speaker 5: of technological capability and in one of our areas in
Speaker 5: South Africa, we're using US technology which is able to
Speaker 5: in many ways identify where shootings are happening and all that.
Speaker 5: And I want to talk about that because there is
Speaker 5: support that we can get from you as the United
Speaker 5: States to help us.
Speaker 2: Deal with all these acts of criminality. And that is
Speaker 2: what I believe partnership is all about.
Speaker 5: And we are here as a partner so that we
Speaker 5: can help each other whenever there are challenges. So I'd
Speaker 5: like us to discuss it, and of course outside of
Speaker 5: the media, so that we sit down and have a
Speaker 5: really good discussion that will lead to good.
Speaker 4: Outcomes, unitive measures that could be in place.
Speaker 19: Should you not be satisfied that South Africa is fixing
Speaker 19: some of the very bad things in the commers that
Speaker 19: you treated are happening.
Speaker 3: Well, there are a lot of bad things happening in
Speaker 3: you know, many countries, but this in particular has been
Speaker 3: very very bad, very bad. And because of you know,
Speaker 3: we're gonna have the whole world watching in another short
Speaker 3: period of time, because you have the G twenty and
Speaker 3: that's a big deal, and it sees it seems like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, I want you.
Speaker 2: To look good. I don't want you to look bad,
Speaker 2: very good.
Speaker 3: But we have hundreds of people, of thousands of people
Speaker 3: trying to come into our country because they feel they're
Speaker 3: going to be killed and their land is going to
Speaker 3: be confiscated. And you do have laws that will passed
Speaker 3: that gives you the right to confiscate land for no payment.
Speaker 3: You can take away land for no payment. I don't
Speaker 3: want to clarify that because we have a constitution. A
Speaker 3: constitution guarantees and protects the sanctity of tenure of land ownership,
Speaker 3: and that constitution protects all South Africans with regards to
Speaker 3: land olders. However, we do say, because we've got to
Speaker 3: deal with the past, the government and s your government
Speaker 3: also has their right to appropriate land for public use,
Speaker 3: and you're doing that, and we've nobody really got in
Speaker 3: underway with that, and we are going to be doing
Speaker 3: You're taking you're taking people's land we have from them.
Speaker 3: And those people in many cases are being executed. They're
Speaker 3: being executed, and they happen to be white, and most
Speaker 3: of them happened to be farmers. And that's a tough situation.
Speaker 3: I don't know how you explain that. How do you
Speaker 3: explain that they're taking people's land away, and in many
Speaker 3: cases those people are being executed, and in many cases
Speaker 3: it's not the government that soon, it's people to kill
Speaker 3: them and then take their land and nothing happens to them.
Speaker 3: But we have thousands of people that want to come
Speaker 3: into our country. They're also going to Australia in a
Speaker 3: smaller number, but we have thousands of people that want
Speaker 3: to come into our country. And they're white farmers and
Speaker 3: they feel that they're going to die in South Africa
Speaker 3: and it's a bad thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what.
Speaker 3: Can South Africa do?
Speaker 10: What concessions would you like to see them beat?
Speaker 3: Improve relations for the United States?
Speaker 2: Then I have one worker President Roblos Africans. Well, you
Speaker 2: know we just spoke about.
Speaker 3: I got them a very very complex machine, one hundred
Speaker 3: and fifty of them, and I was asked by the
Speaker 3: president if they could help, and I did that. And
Speaker 3: you know, I have great feeling for all countries. Look,
Speaker 3: I deal with all countries, but I have a great
Speaker 3: feeling for South Africa because I have friends. I have
Speaker 3: a couple of friends, a few friends here today. I
Speaker 3: have many friends from South Africa, but many of those
Speaker 3: friends are or they can't go back.
Speaker 2: I have Elon is from South Africa. I don't want
Speaker 2: to get Elon involved, that's all I have to do.
Speaker 2: Get him into another thing. But nothing happens to me
Speaker 2: from South Africa. This is what Elon wanted.
Speaker 3: He actually came here on a different subject, sending rockets
Speaker 3: to Mars. He likes that better.
Speaker 2: He likes that subject better. But Elon is from South Africa.
Speaker 2: I don't want to talk to him about that. I
Speaker 2: don't want to. I don't think it's fair to him.
Speaker 2: But I will say that.
Speaker 3: People are fleeing South Africa for their own safety. Their
Speaker 3: land is being confiscated, and in many cases they're being killed.
Speaker 2: And that scene of you see how many crosses they have.
Speaker 3: Those crosses, that's a dead person in every one of them,
Speaker 3: and those trucks or cars are paying their respects to
Speaker 3: all of those dead people on a Sunday morning. That's
Speaker 3: a that's a rough that's a rough thing to explain away.
Speaker 3: And the problem we have and the way, you know,
Speaker 3: a correct and a fair media exposes things, but we
Speaker 3: have a very corrupt media. They won't even report this.
Speaker 3: If this were the other way around, it would be
Speaker 3: the biggest story. Now, I will say a part terrible.
Speaker 3: That was the biggest start that was reported all the time.
Speaker 3: This is sort of the opposite of apartheid. What's happening
Speaker 3: now is never reported. Nobody knows about it. All we
Speaker 3: know is we're being inundated with people with white farmers
Speaker 3: from South Africa and it's a big problem. Marco Rubio
Speaker 3: is telling me he's never seen anything like it. The
Speaker 3: numbers of people that want to leave South Africa because
Speaker 3: they feel they're going to be dead versus.
Speaker 6: Brian Beck's asked me a question, seventy farmers in your
Speaker 6: country are white.
Speaker 3: If they flee, do you feel that maybe the economy
Speaker 3: could collapse, you may not have a gap to fill
Speaker 3: in those people that need to replace those farmers.
Speaker 5: You know, I Mike my Minister of Agriculture, who is white,
Speaker 5: who comes from opposition party to mine, who's joined my
Speaker 5: gompleniment at my invitation to address this very issue, including
Speaker 5: the question that you've test raised.
Speaker 21: John, Thank you very much, mister President, and this president
Speaker 21: thanks for walking us to the White House. I would
Speaker 21: say we have a real safety proper and I don't
Speaker 21: think anyone wants to candy coat plat.
Speaker 10: And it requires a lot of effort to get on
Speaker 10: top of it. It's going to require more policing resources.
Speaker 3: It's going to require different strategy to be able to
Speaker 3: deal with it.
Speaker 21: But certainly the majority of South Africa's commercial and small
Speaker 21: older farmers really do want to stay in South Africa
Speaker 21: and make it work. And I've just come from the
Speaker 21: largest agricultural show in the Southern hemisphere with organized agriculture
Speaker 21: and farmers and the majority they want to stay, but
Speaker 21: they too, they have a memorial to those who've died
Speaker 21: as a result of farm attacks. And as the Minister
Speaker 21: of Agriculture, it is something that I am particularly exercised
Speaker 21: with my colleagues at Police and my colleagues and the
Speaker 21: Justice Cluster to stop making farm attacks and stock there
Speaker 21: a priority crime and it affect all farmers in Salaprica
Speaker 21: particularly stop them has a disproportionate effect on small black farms.
Speaker 3: I also want to just.
Speaker 10: Say this that the two individuals that are in that
Speaker 10: video that you've seen are both leaders of opposition minority
Speaker 10: parties in South Africa and Quanto with sees where under
Speaker 10: mister Zuma and the economic freedom Fighters under mister Malema A. Now,
Speaker 10: the reason that my party, the Democratic Alliance, which has
Speaker 10: been an opposition party wherever thirty years, chose to join
Speaker 10: hands with mister Ramapausa's party was precise to keep those
Speaker 10: people out of power. We cannot have those people sitting
Speaker 10: in the union buildings making decisions. And that is why
Speaker 10: after thirty years of us exchanging barbs across the floor
Speaker 10: in Parliament and trying to get one over on each other.
Speaker 10: We've decided to join hands precisely to keep that lot
Speaker 10: out of government because the day they get in to
Speaker 10: the doors of the Union buildings in South Africa or
Speaker 10: control about Parliament, that's what you're going to see. And
Speaker 10: that is why this government working together needs a support
Speaker 10: of our allies around the world, so that we can
Speaker 10: strengthen our hand, grow our economy and shut the door
Speaker 10: forever on that rebel getting through the doors of the
Speaker 10: Union podies, because then South Africa's future.
Speaker 5: So you denounced that type of language in the video
Speaker 5: that you saw, Oh yes, we've already done so as government.
Speaker 2: As my own party, we are completely opposed to that.
Speaker 2: We in nineteen fifty.
Speaker 5: Five adopted a document which said South Africa belongs.
Speaker 2: To Paul in it. But why wouldn't you arrest that man?
Speaker 3: That man said kill the white farmers, killed the white farmers,
Speaker 3: and then he danced, and he's dancing, dancing, and it's
Speaker 3: killed the white farmers. I think, I'm not sure, but
Speaker 3: I think if somebody got up environment and started saying
Speaker 3: kill a certain group of people, that he would be
Speaker 3: and he would be arrested very quickly. That man is
Speaker 3: going all over South Africa. And that's not a small party.
Speaker 3: That was a stadium that holds one hundred thousand people
Speaker 3: and I hardly saw an emptc. That's a lot of people.
Speaker 3: That's a lot of representation. And those crosses we have
Speaker 3: dead white people, dead white farmers mostly, and you take
Speaker 3: a look at Australia, they're being inundated and we're being
Speaker 3: inundated with people that want to get out and their
Speaker 3: farmer is valueless, it's valueless, and they just want to
Speaker 3: get out with their life. And this is a very
Speaker 3: serious situation. And if we had a real news or
Speaker 3: real press or media, we don't have that because they
Speaker 3: won't talk about this because there are all guys like
Speaker 3: that idiot. But if we had a real press, it
Speaker 3: would be exposed. And you know, the beauty of exposing
Speaker 3: it is just like a cleansing action. When it gets exposed,
Speaker 3: it'll get fixed. That's when it will get fixed. But
Speaker 3: people don't talk about it. And I'll tell you who's
Speaker 3: talking about the thousands of people that are fleeing South
Speaker 3: Africa right now.
Speaker 22: Aid on the devastating in agriculta, having African culta.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's devastating and hopefully a lot of people
Speaker 3: are going to start spending a lot of money. And
Speaker 3: I've talked to other nations. We want them to chip
Speaker 3: in and spend money too, and we've spent a lot.
Speaker 3: And it's a big it's it's a tremendous problem going
Speaker 3: on in many countries, a lot of problems going on.
Speaker 3: The United States always gets the request for money. Nobody
Speaker 3: else helps us. You know, Europe doesn't help. Europe hasn't
Speaker 3: given anything. All they do is sue our companies. You know,
Speaker 3: they sue Apple and they sue all of our companies.
Speaker 3: Apple had to pay seventeen million dollars on a nonsense
Speaker 3: loss and very unfair. But we we can always be
Speaker 3: there to help.
Speaker 13: Is dissolved, it's fantastic.
Speaker 2: It's got to be resolved. It should be resolved.
Speaker 3: It's I mean, it's it's a little bit bad when
Speaker 3: you see a stadium with one hundred thousand people in it,
Speaker 3: because that means it's more than just a little movement.
Speaker 3: It's a pretty big movement in South Africa.
Speaker 2: So it has to be resolved. It'll be the end
Speaker 2: of the country of I hope. So that's why I'm
Speaker 2: here I mean, I'm not here for my health.
Speaker 3: I'm here no, I'd like to see I have friends
Speaker 3: I can tell you. Ernie Else and Ratief Goosen they
Speaker 3: feel so strongly.
Speaker 2: They wanted to be here on behalf of South Africa,
Speaker 2: not on behalf of me.
Speaker 3: And you know, they said, can we be here for
Speaker 3: this because they love the country.
Speaker 2: Ornie.
Speaker 3: Do you guys want to say a couple of words
Speaker 3: or anything.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 3: I hate to put you in this. This is tougher
Speaker 3: than sinking to three footer And they've said many three five.
Speaker 12: Thank you, miss thanks for the honor of being here.
Speaker 12: We've known each other long time, we have spoken. You know,
Speaker 12: we're proud South Africa. I still have my South African passport,
Speaker 12: you know. We've traveled with this passport, you know, and
Speaker 12: I've got my visa.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so.
Speaker 12: You know, but we want to see things get better
Speaker 12: in our home country. And that's the bottom line. It's
Speaker 12: been thirty five years since the transition. President Ramaposa was
Speaker 12: right in the middle of the transition time in nineteen
Speaker 12: ninety and before that, so it's been thirty five years
Speaker 12: of ANC government and I know there there's a lot
Speaker 12: of anger, you know, through the transition. There's also a
Speaker 12: lot of stuff happening in apartheid days. You know, we
Speaker 12: grew up in apartheid here. But I don't think two
Speaker 12: rouns makes it right. You know, President Mandela when he
Speaker 12: came out of prison for all that time, didn't come
Speaker 12: out with hatred, you know, and really unified our nation.
Speaker 3: Re sport.
Speaker 12: You know, we won the Rugby World Cup in the time,
Speaker 12: we won the African Nations Cup soccer. You know, we
Speaker 12: won some majors as golfers and so forth. So what
Speaker 12: I'm trying to say is, you know, we this has
Speaker 12: been a long time coming. That's why we really wanted
Speaker 12: to meet you in the administration and see our way forward,
Speaker 12: because we still want to see our country flourish. You know,
Speaker 12: we've got some great things going on. Business is getting
Speaker 12: involved with with government, farming, farmers are getting involved in
Speaker 12: local municipalities, trying to rebuild some of the infrastructure that's
Speaker 12: been the game for a long time. So there's a
Speaker 12: lot of co existence going on and and and help
Speaker 12: from a lot of areas. But we need, I feel
Speaker 12: we need the US push this thing through. We've got
Speaker 12: a great ally. If we can have the US It's
Speaker 12: always been an ally of South Africa for a very
Speaker 12: long time, given in the days of the of the war.
Speaker 12: You know up in Angola. You know you guys helped us,
Speaker 12: so very important for us too to have your support
Speaker 12: and you know, get the change we need.
Speaker 2: Why did you do that?
Speaker 3: Well, you might have done that even better than he
Speaker 3: plays golf. Is almost impossible. Your hat was the president.
Speaker 4: If you had to.
Speaker 23: Wind all of those tapes properly, you will see I'm
Speaker 23: the biggest target of that trouble rouser number one for
Speaker 23: over ten years, mister my neighbor. In fact, the first
Speaker 23: time I met him, he was in the youth league
Speaker 23: with that gentleman.
Speaker 4: And look how he's changed.
Speaker 18: Right, we have too many deaths, but it's across the board.
Speaker 18: It's not only white farmer, it's across the board. We
Speaker 18: need technological help. We need starlink at every little police station.
Speaker 18: We need drones. I actually got drones donated for the
Speaker 18: Peace Parks to stop elephant and rao poaching. And he's
Speaker 18: pretty accessor stopped the importation because he said the United
Speaker 18: States would spy on us. I mean, the US basics
Speaker 18: is the ridicule. So if we can if you can
Speaker 18: help us. Remember, sir, you and I lived in New
Speaker 18: York in the seventies. We never thought New York could
Speaker 18: be what it became. Two commissioner, a tough mayor. We
Speaker 18: need your help to stop this awful kidding. But it's
Speaker 18: across the board. Ernie is right now building at Plata
Speaker 18: House in George.
Speaker 23: I'm building three cottages for my grandchildren on a farm
Speaker 23: outside Craftinnette. I often go to bed with utlocking the door.
Speaker 23: And we have a serious.
Speaker 4: Problem with illegal aliens.
Speaker 23: We stream across the border, and if you really look
Speaker 23: at our statistics, a lot of these murders.
Speaker 4: Firstly, it's unemployed and illegal aliens.
Speaker 23: And then I met Vice President Vot's many years ago
Speaker 23: that Charlie Rose's shown. My wife loved his book, and
Speaker 23: she reminded me this morning that you emphasized the devastation
Speaker 23: that occurs when big companies leave towns and cities and
Speaker 23: there's a culture of dependency that develops.
Speaker 4: I remember you discussing it. Now, that's our problem.
Speaker 23: If we don't get our economy to grow, the culture
Speaker 23: of dependency and the lawlessness will increase. I've again been
Speaker 23: against the part that all my life and I'm their
Speaker 23: number one target.
Speaker 4: Please just google my name and Malema you'll see it.
Speaker 3: So he marched on there.
Speaker 23: The crime is fearable, sir, but mister Steneration won't admit
Speaker 23: to it. But he runs the Western Cape where I
Speaker 23: live on. The biggest murder right is in the Cape Flat.
Speaker 2: Gangs.
Speaker 23: We've got gang warfare like your Infity three. With these guys,
Speaker 23: we've got equivalence there. But we need your help, sir,
Speaker 23: and we need a lot of technology.
Speaker 2: Well, one of the real areas of support is really
Speaker 2: in investments.
Speaker 5: We've got to grow our economy because through growing the economy,
Speaker 5: we're then able to create more jobs, because crime really
Speaker 5: thrives where there is inequality and unemployment. And that is
Speaker 5: one of the reasons that has brought us here to
Speaker 5: improve our investment relations, our trade relations so that we
Speaker 5: can preserve number of jobs that your companies have created
Speaker 5: in South Africa by virtue of what we export to you.
Speaker 2: We are able to create.
Speaker 5: Up to five hundred thousand jobs in the auto industry,
Speaker 5: in the agricultural industry, and a number of other industries
Speaker 5: mining where we export things to you. And we also
Speaker 5: know that as South African companies invest here, you are
Speaker 5: also able to create jobs, so it's a mutually beneficial relationship.
Speaker 5: So our main, main, real reason for being here is
Speaker 5: to foster trade and investment so that we are able
Speaker 5: to grow our economy.
Speaker 2: Your support, and so that we're also.
Speaker 5: Able to address all these societal problems because criminality drives
Speaker 5: when people are unemployed, when they have no other hope
Speaker 5: to eke out a living.
Speaker 4: So that is what we need to.
Speaker 5: Resolve, and you'll support your partner ship with us. It's
Speaker 5: what is really going to give us a strong, strong
Speaker 5: capability to move forward.
Speaker 2: Excuse me, do you have anything to say?
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't want to leave you out. You
Speaker 3: know the guy won three or four majors, three or four,
Speaker 3: No I need two. It's a lot. By the way,
Speaker 3: there is a lot, a lot of tournaments.
Speaker 2: You want to do you have anything to say?
Speaker 19: Yeah, thank you as president. President from a pausa. I
Speaker 19: grew up in an area in South Africa that is
Speaker 19: a farmland area, Polaquani, and there is some issues up there.
Speaker 19: Obviously my dad was a proper develop as well as
Speaker 19: a part time farmer. And yeah, some of these buddy
Speaker 19: farmers got killed. The farm is still going. My brother's running.
Speaker 19: But it's a constant battle with farms trying to get
Speaker 19: they're trying to burn the farms down to chase you away.
Speaker 19: So it is it is a concern to try and
Speaker 19: make a living as a farmer. And at the end
Speaker 19: they you know, we're without.
Speaker 4: Farmers, there's no food on a plate.
Speaker 2: So we need we need the farmers the farm. He
Speaker 2: wouldn't do it. He wouldn't even want to do what
Speaker 2: you're doing. Right. They love farming, they don't want to
Speaker 2: leave them. But it's it's a struggle.
Speaker 19: Yeah, And you know food, food and fresh water is
Speaker 19: the most important thing in life. You know, without those
Speaker 19: two things you can't supply.
Speaker 2: How is the water there?
Speaker 3: The water is great, obviously all the water comes out
Speaker 3: of a bare hoole out of ground for us.
Speaker 19: But yeah, he's a battle to get the water out
Speaker 19: sometimes when all the equipment gets stolen, all the time.
Speaker 3: That you're trying to get short was your family and
Speaker 3: your brother do they feel safe on the farm.
Speaker 19: They live behind electric fences, you know, try and be
Speaker 19: at night safe, But it is it is constant whenever
Speaker 19: you leave that that something could happen.
Speaker 12: And you know, both both of.
Speaker 19: Them has been attacked in their houses. My mom's been
Speaker 19: attacked in the house when she was ready. So it
Speaker 19: is it is uh difficult, but you know, the guys
Speaker 19: live a great life despite everything going on.
Speaker 5: Simply, I've brought along the president of the largest trade
Speaker 5: union in our country, zigs or LAWSI, because she leads
Speaker 5: many many workers, uh more than one million one in
Speaker 5: or too many other workers. And maybe we should give
Speaker 5: a very chance to say something because she's come all
Speaker 5: the way to join us.
Speaker 24: Thank you very much, the President trumping for having us in,
Speaker 24: President for extending the invitation to us as Organized liber
Speaker 24: and I must say that we are here to support
Speaker 24: the the the the initiative that has been made by
Speaker 24: our our government with uh business. Of course, as Organized
Speaker 24: liber we've been coming to Washington on their board trade
Speaker 24: relations in the previous regime, and I think at the
Speaker 24: center of it all for me, it is exactly what
Speaker 24: mister Opetev said, the importance of us growing the economy.
Speaker 24: We have always emphasized when we were here and kept
Speaker 24: on coming and negotiating over that. The six hundred US
Speaker 24: companies that are based in South Africa, as you said,
Speaker 24: President will come of course of five hundred thousand jobs
Speaker 24: will be wiped out. We need more for indirect investment
Speaker 24: in our country. We are not just talking about those
Speaker 24: that will lose employment, but we are talking about over
Speaker 24: forty percent of people that are unemployed that have with
Speaker 24: no hope of ever finding job. And we think that correctly.
Speaker 24: As they have said that we need to deal with
Speaker 24: the issue of poor US borders in our country so
Speaker 24: that everyone that comes in is documented. We also need
Speaker 24: to and I would have loved thought that the Minister
Speaker 24: would address the issue of land expropriation and how.
Speaker 4: The policy works in South Africa.
Speaker 24: Recently, President, as you were preparing to come here on
Speaker 24: the US in, I think it was all Nada. There
Speaker 24: was a handover of farms and white farmers were saying,
Speaker 24: we are donating the land.
Speaker 2: But also there is a willing buy a willing seller in.
Speaker 3: South Africa, so there is no.
Speaker 24: Expropriation without compensation, but it is a willing buyer willing seller.
Speaker 24: And that white farmer was even saying President that they
Speaker 24: the government is even paying more in buying the land than.
Speaker 2: What the land is worth off.
Speaker 24: And I think those are the realities President, that we
Speaker 24: must say that we need to address of course, but
Speaker 24: also the importance of agriculture linked to a god. People
Speaker 24: rely on it and I think as a rechief upset
Speaker 24: for for for for survival and living. But lastly for
Speaker 24: me president is also the issue of the crime statistics.
Speaker 24: There is no doubt about it that we are a
Speaker 24: violent nation, you know, for a number of reasons, and
Speaker 24: we're not condoning anything.
Speaker 4: But also if you go into.
Speaker 24: The rural areas where black majority are, you would see
Speaker 24: women elderly being raped, being killed, being.
Speaker 2: Made and these are black elderly women that.
Speaker 24: Would be found throat slits, raped multiple times and all
Speaker 24: of that and the problem in South Africa it is
Speaker 24: not necessarily about race, but it is about crime. And
Speaker 24: we think that we are here to say how do
Speaker 24: we both nations work together to research, to really talk
Speaker 24: about investment, but also help us in how we can
Speaker 24: have the technology and everything that is the president to
Speaker 24: really address the levels of crime that we have in
Speaker 24: our country.
Speaker 2: Different tennesside is a very strong word.
Speaker 7: I'm wondering if you've made up your mind as to
Speaker 7: whether you believe genocide is occurring in South Africa, where
Speaker 7: you still have doubts, and if you have made up
Speaker 7: your mind why and vite President Ramaposa here today in
Speaker 7: this conversation.
Speaker 3: Well, I haven't made up my mind. I hate to
Speaker 3: see it from the same point of South Africa. But
Speaker 3: also you know, I'm trying to save lives. I'm working
Speaker 3: with Russia and Ukraine.
Speaker 2: I don't have to do that. It's not our war.
Speaker 3: Was started by other people who sped along by our
Speaker 3: past administration, and we would have never happened if I
Speaker 3: were president.
Speaker 2: But I'm trying to save lives no matter where. Rwanda.
Speaker 3: I have nothing to do with Rwanda and the Congo,
Speaker 3: but I felt I had a very talented person in
Speaker 3: this administration and I sent him there and he did
Speaker 3: an unbelievable job. I think, I mean, we're going to
Speaker 3: find out, but he's I mean, we're going to find out,
Speaker 3: but he's done the.
Speaker 2: Hardest part of the job. It should it should happen.
Speaker 2: If I can save lives.
Speaker 3: I want to save the lives. If it's in Africa,
Speaker 3: that's great, if it's in Europe, if it's wherever it
Speaker 3: may be. And it's a very small investment to do,
Speaker 3: believe me, compared to what the consequences are. So I
Speaker 3: hope we can do something. Look, I have so many
Speaker 3: friends these too, have great admiration for them because I
Speaker 3: know what they do for a living, and that's a
Speaker 3: very hard living. Going from city to city, from country
Speaker 3: to country and hitting the ball three hundred and fifty
Speaker 3: yards like they do and getting the ball in the
Speaker 3: hall is a very tough with lots of people watching.
Speaker 2: It's a very tough living. You know.
Speaker 3: They're champions. I respect champions, and I respect very much,
Speaker 3: and I think the country is very lucky. They really
Speaker 3: wanted to be here. They could be elsewhere, they could
Speaker 3: be on a beautiful fairway subplace, and they wanted to
Speaker 3: be here.
Speaker 25: Yourself from News of Africa in South Africa. How important
Speaker 25: is it for the United States to be at.
Speaker 14: Our G twenty summit in November, given the relationship between
Speaker 14: our two countries. You've just heard what has been said
Speaker 14: to you just now. Are you coming and are you
Speaker 14: preparing to come?
Speaker 3: So? Without the United States, the G twenty, just like
Speaker 3: the G seven used to be the G eight, but
Speaker 3: brilliantly they threw Russia out.
Speaker 2: Would have been a lot better if Russia was in.
Speaker 3: You know, a lot of people would say, oh, this
Speaker 3: is because if Russia was in you probably wouldn't have
Speaker 3: this war. If you had a different president, you wouldn't
Speaker 3: have the war either.
Speaker 2: But we have a G seven. It's important that the
Speaker 2: United States is at both of them.
Speaker 3: I think without the United States, it said, I really
Speaker 3: believe it's not very important.
Speaker 2: It's not the same meaning as I said to President Trump.
Speaker 5: The US really originated the G twenty, and it's important
Speaker 5: that the United States continues to play a key role
Speaker 5: in the G twenty. And we are privileged to be
Speaker 5: the president of the G twenty, but we are even
Speaker 5: overjoyed that we're going to hand over to the United States,
Speaker 5: who are the originators. And for that reason, I expect
Speaker 5: the United States to continue playing the leadership role in
Speaker 5: the G twenty together with other countries. And I've said
Speaker 5: when I initially spoke to President Trump on the phone,
Speaker 5: I wanted to come to South Africa for a state visit, and.
Speaker 2: I also wanted to come and participate in the G twenty.
Speaker 5: And I want to gladly hand over to President Trump
Speaker 5: to take the leadership of the G twenty forward in November.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, thank you very much, thank you,
Speaker 2: thank you.
Speaker 3: I don't want to leave.
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