WEBVTT 1 00:00:04.200 --> 00:00:07.360 Thank you for listening to Pictures Media Radio. 2 00:00:23.120 --> 00:00:24.800 Welcome to Policy and Rights. 3 00:00:26.320 --> 00:00:26.519 Show. 4 00:00:26.719 --> 00:00:29.960 Gosh, Welcome to Policy. 5 00:00:28.800 --> 00:00:29.760 That Human joys. 6 00:01:02.479 --> 00:01:04.879 Alright, welcome back to Policy and Writes here in Depictions 7 00:01:04.959 --> 00:01:09.760 Media Radio. I'm your host Michael Clarks. So, uh we 8 00:01:09.840 --> 00:01:14.280 have a recording of uh Donald Trump and President Ramoposa 9 00:01:14.480 --> 00:01:21.319 of UH South Africa, and Donald Trump is is is 10 00:01:21.319 --> 00:01:25.599 going to make some accusations, accusations saying that Ramo Posa 11 00:01:25.760 --> 00:01:31.159 is putting a situation in place in South Africa that 12 00:01:32.319 --> 00:01:36.560 is causing a genocide, in which case Donald Trump has 13 00:01:36.680 --> 00:01:42.400 already resettled sixty uh Uh africaners from South Africa into 14 00:01:42.519 --> 00:01:52.760 the United States, saying that they were fleeing a political genocide. 15 00:01:53.120 --> 00:01:57.519 So a little bit of history about South Africa. Of course, 16 00:01:57.599 --> 00:02:02.959 we know they coming into the nineteen nineties that there 17 00:02:03.000 --> 00:02:06.560 were there were many global protests around the world about 18 00:02:07.599 --> 00:02:13.039 apartheid and how to put an end too the apartheid 19 00:02:13.159 --> 00:02:17.599 in how it was actually hurting people instead of helping 20 00:02:17.960 --> 00:02:22.879 promote a unified to South Africa. We also know that 21 00:02:23.039 --> 00:02:26.560 at the forefront of that was Nelson Nelson Mandela, which 22 00:02:27.479 --> 00:02:32.080 there is some difficulties with with with Nelson Mandela as 23 00:02:32.520 --> 00:02:39.319 as a four figure for a unified South Africa because well, 24 00:02:39.360 --> 00:02:42.919 in some people's eyes, he was actually a terrorist because 25 00:02:43.240 --> 00:02:53.000 he took hostage a school bus and he held he 26 00:02:53.000 --> 00:02:58.479 held school students hostage until he was heard by the 27 00:02:58.560 --> 00:03:06.719 South African press, which does bring about some valid points 28 00:03:06.800 --> 00:03:13.319 of you know, he put visibly, he put in harm's 29 00:03:13.360 --> 00:03:24.360 way school children and holding a a school bus hostage. 30 00:03:24.960 --> 00:03:30.159 It's that is definitely something that should be seen as 31 00:03:30.159 --> 00:03:35.719 a criminal offense and it and it by today's standard 32 00:03:35.719 --> 00:03:39.199 of course, would be seen as a terrorist act by 33 00:03:39.199 --> 00:03:45.759 a by no streucture of matter, should that protector particular 34 00:03:45.840 --> 00:03:50.199 act be seen as as a righteous act. It should 35 00:03:50.199 --> 00:03:53.479 be seen as as a criminal actor, which brings about 36 00:03:53.520 --> 00:03:58.080 some problems with UH because Nelson Mandela was al was 37 00:03:58.240 --> 00:04:06.960 also UH president of South Africa for a while and 38 00:04:09.960 --> 00:04:15.439 he died as as a national hero. But national heroes 39 00:04:15.439 --> 00:04:20.920 don't always have all heroic acts. There are there are 40 00:04:21.120 --> 00:04:27.600 some things that that sometimes people do that that are 41 00:04:27.680 --> 00:04:32.959 not exactly UH and should never be seen as as heroic. 42 00:04:33.120 --> 00:04:36.240 That particular one that would be one one of those 43 00:04:36.279 --> 00:04:44.000 particular things. But are the African actually sitting in a 44 00:04:44.040 --> 00:04:51.720 state of of genocide or is it or are they 45 00:04:51.759 --> 00:04:55.279 trying to create a situation where they can get a 46 00:04:55.319 --> 00:05:00.360 white supremacy to be a thing. And in South Africa, well, 47 00:05:01.079 --> 00:05:06.160 white supremacy in av we could be seen as as 48 00:05:06.399 --> 00:05:16.279 acts of terror where groups of of white supremacists attacking 49 00:05:16.360 --> 00:05:20.240 those who they who they think are l are not human. 50 00:05:22.680 --> 00:05:27.920 So we have a what we do actually know or 51 00:05:28.240 --> 00:05:30.920 for a fact in South Africa that there is a 52 00:05:30.959 --> 00:05:34.519 situation where there's extreme crime and a lot of that 53 00:05:34.600 --> 00:05:40.279 crime is centered in areas where there are uh people 54 00:05:40.399 --> 00:05:48.160 of of of color living and and there are instances 55 00:05:48.360 --> 00:05:54.759 of of crime happening in the raw areas where farms 56 00:05:54.759 --> 00:06:02.040 are being burnt. So it's not necessarily a situation of genocide, 57 00:06:02.120 --> 00:06:08.040 but it is clearly a situation where South Africa has 58 00:06:08.279 --> 00:06:12.759 a crime problem and a problem that desperately does need 59 00:06:12.839 --> 00:06:17.199 to be fixed and could be fixed by fixing it's 60 00:06:17.360 --> 00:06:26.199 over thirty two percent unemployment rate and helping them with 61 00:06:26.399 --> 00:06:31.240 commerce so that people have jobs and they have a 62 00:06:32.319 --> 00:06:37.480 way of finding prosperity within that country. So, while it's 63 00:06:37.519 --> 00:06:41.360 difficult to watch your points, while don't we look to 64 00:06:41.759 --> 00:06:50.079 what happened in the Oval Office when President Ramaposa and 65 00:06:50.160 --> 00:06:57.920 President Trump actually met and they had their discussion over 66 00:06:58.879 --> 00:07:19.759 acts that are have being in South Africa. 67 00:07:25.319 --> 00:07:26.680 Thank you very much everyone. 68 00:07:26.800 --> 00:07:31.519 It's great honor to be with the President of South Africa, 69 00:07:32.040 --> 00:07:37.240 President rever Posa. And he is a man who is 70 00:07:38.040 --> 00:07:41.879 certainly in some circles really respected, other circles a little 71 00:07:41.879 --> 00:07:43.920 bit less respected, like all of us in all fair 72 00:07:45.120 --> 00:07:45.360 like that. 73 00:07:46.360 --> 00:07:47.879 We also have a few of my friends. 74 00:07:48.279 --> 00:07:51.079 Ernie el is a great golfer, he's a truly great golfer. 75 00:07:51.160 --> 00:07:55.920 And Rattif Gluson, who's an other really we call him 76 00:07:55.959 --> 00:07:58.319 really a great golfer to Earnie right, the two guys 77 00:07:58.360 --> 00:08:01.879 are fantastic, and we could add Gary to the group, 78 00:08:01.959 --> 00:08:04.800 Gary player, what a group of golfers. 79 00:08:03.920 --> 00:08:06.839 As South Africa's head of this. There must be something 80 00:08:06.879 --> 00:08:08.600 in the water, right, something good. 81 00:08:08.680 --> 00:08:09.839 These two guys are under. 82 00:08:11.560 --> 00:08:11.879 Gary. 83 00:08:12.680 --> 00:08:16.199 Gary's Gary and David Frost also another one that I 84 00:08:16.240 --> 00:08:19.079 know is such a great one. Was he was He 85 00:08:19.120 --> 00:08:22.360 as good a putter as they saying David. He's a putter, 86 00:08:22.560 --> 00:08:25.920 he's a putting machine, right, But he's another one. Something 87 00:08:26.040 --> 00:08:28.519 very good about South Africa and golf and golf is 88 00:08:28.560 --> 00:08:31.199 still doing great in South Africa and they have young players. 89 00:08:31.560 --> 00:08:33.440 I hear coming up that are going to be very good. 90 00:08:33.799 --> 00:08:35.759 But it's an honor to have you here. 91 00:08:35.519 --> 00:08:38.080 And my friend, it's an honor to have you one 92 00:08:38.120 --> 00:08:42.759 of the greatest businessman in South Africa, and long and 93 00:08:42.879 --> 00:08:46.120 long be thank you for being here. It's very very great. 94 00:08:46.519 --> 00:08:50.279 Appreciate it. So we're going to be discussing certain things. 95 00:08:50.320 --> 00:08:54.960 As you know, we have the G twenty is going 96 00:08:55.000 --> 00:08:58.399 to South Africa. What is that going to be in November? 97 00:08:58.720 --> 00:09:02.399 In November there I hand over to you. 98 00:09:02.919 --> 00:09:06.639 Yes, we have an you originated the deft hand over 99 00:09:06.919 --> 00:09:08.600 to you and you. 100 00:09:08.799 --> 00:09:12.759 Need the We're gon we're gonna have it the following year. 101 00:09:14.039 --> 00:09:16.480 So we'll be discussing many things and some of the 102 00:09:16.559 --> 00:09:19.519 things you've been reading about in the papers and the media. 103 00:09:20.279 --> 00:09:25.679 And I would say that, look, the President is a 104 00:09:25.840 --> 00:09:28.440 truly respected men in many many circles, and in some 105 00:09:28.559 --> 00:09:32.720 circles he is considered a little controversial. But we're going 106 00:09:32.799 --> 00:09:36.480 to be discussing some of the things that are taking 107 00:09:36.559 --> 00:09:39.000 place in South Africa and see if we can help. 108 00:09:39.600 --> 00:09:42.360 And we want to help. And we've had a long 109 00:09:42.440 --> 00:09:44.039 relationship with South Africa. 110 00:09:44.440 --> 00:09:46.679 I have because indirectly I have so many friends that 111 00:09:46.799 --> 00:09:48.200 live there, I have a lot of friends. I mean, 112 00:09:48.240 --> 00:09:50.639 these are famous guys, but I have a lot of 113 00:09:51.360 --> 00:09:55.159 friends that live there that are tremendous people. And we'll 114 00:09:55.200 --> 00:09:59.519 be discussing that. We'll have a nice conversation. And I 115 00:09:59.639 --> 00:10:02.919 really appreciate that you guys came along. It's really it 116 00:10:03.080 --> 00:10:06.320 really helps us in our thought process. But it is 117 00:10:06.399 --> 00:10:08.200 a great honor to have you, and I appreciate you 118 00:10:08.360 --> 00:10:09.600 called you. He called. 119 00:10:09.639 --> 00:10:11.039 I don't know where he got my number, but I 120 00:10:11.120 --> 00:10:14.480 bring you up. I want to come over and see you. 121 00:10:15.519 --> 00:10:17.799 That was my honor. Thank you very much for being here. 122 00:10:19.360 --> 00:10:22.519 Much well, thank you very much for welcoming us to 123 00:10:22.639 --> 00:10:27.240 this reformed White House. I've been here before and it 124 00:10:27.360 --> 00:10:31.440 looks really fantastic. I must congratulate you. Thank you, But 125 00:10:31.559 --> 00:10:35.279 I also thank you for allowing our delegation. This is 126 00:10:35.320 --> 00:10:38.559 a very mixed delegation that you've got. We've got people 127 00:10:38.600 --> 00:10:43.080 from government, my minister's, I've got someone from the trade 128 00:10:43.159 --> 00:10:47.919 union movement we really collaborate with, and from business as well. 129 00:10:48.519 --> 00:10:51.559 And I was sporting legends when I spoke to you. 130 00:10:52.000 --> 00:10:55.799 You said, yes, come along and bring Gary Player or 131 00:10:55.879 --> 00:10:58.039 bring any else and rechief person. 132 00:10:58.639 --> 00:10:59.720 I brought the two of them. 133 00:11:00.679 --> 00:11:04.360 Gary Cray when I spoke to him, and he said, look, 134 00:11:04.480 --> 00:11:08.639 I'm getting rather on in my years, but wishes us 135 00:11:08.720 --> 00:11:12.600 luck in this discussion with you. So it's a real joy. 136 00:11:12.879 --> 00:11:17.200 And I'd also like to thank you for allowing your 137 00:11:17.279 --> 00:11:21.000 people to study discussions with us at the trade level. 138 00:11:21.759 --> 00:11:25.639 I mean, we are essentially here to reset the relationship 139 00:11:25.720 --> 00:11:28.039 between the United States and South Africa. 140 00:11:28.759 --> 00:11:33.600 We are long long standing partners in many many ways. 141 00:11:33.679 --> 00:11:39.320 We've collaborated in many fields in space issues, in energy, 142 00:11:39.600 --> 00:11:43.240 and in trade, and we therefore need to reset that, 143 00:11:43.799 --> 00:11:46.720 particularly in the light of some of the announcements that 144 00:11:46.840 --> 00:11:50.879 you made on trade and investments. So we want to 145 00:11:50.960 --> 00:11:54.799 advance more trade between the two of US two countries, 146 00:11:54.879 --> 00:11:59.480 and people now have been empowered by yourself and by 147 00:11:59.519 --> 00:12:03.320 myself to start engaging, and we hope that we will 148 00:12:03.320 --> 00:12:08.000 be able to fuel that engagement during our talks. And 149 00:12:08.120 --> 00:12:10.879 we also want to discuss issues that have to do 150 00:12:11.080 --> 00:12:15.399 with how we promote further investments in both countries. We've 151 00:12:15.480 --> 00:12:18.919 got about twenty two companies from South Africa that have 152 00:12:19.080 --> 00:12:22.600 invested in the US, thus creating a number of jobs. 153 00:12:23.240 --> 00:12:27.240 And similarly, you've got almost six hundred companies that have 154 00:12:27.399 --> 00:12:29.879 invested in South Africa, and some of them have been 155 00:12:29.919 --> 00:12:33.080 in South Africa for more than a hundred years, so 156 00:12:33.879 --> 00:12:38.200 our links are really long lasting, and we would like 157 00:12:38.360 --> 00:12:43.159 to recalibrate those relations between our two countries and discuss 158 00:12:43.200 --> 00:12:46.679 a whole range of issues geopolitical. The work that you're 159 00:12:46.720 --> 00:12:50.960 doing to bring peace around the world in Ukraine and 160 00:12:51.080 --> 00:12:54.159 in the Middle East, so we value that and we 161 00:12:54.519 --> 00:12:58.039 are also a great contributor to peace processes that are 162 00:12:58.080 --> 00:13:00.720 going on around the world. Of course, we want to 163 00:13:00.840 --> 00:13:04.399 discuss how we can support each other. You are a 164 00:13:04.639 --> 00:13:07.600 much bigger economy than we are. We are just the 165 00:13:07.759 --> 00:13:11.639 timing economy, but we rely on each other on a 166 00:13:11.879 --> 00:13:16.000 number of issues. We've got critical minerals that you want 167 00:13:16.639 --> 00:13:19.519 to fuel the growth of your own economy and rein 168 00:13:19.519 --> 00:13:24.679 industrial lives, so we have that on offer, including rare minerals. 169 00:13:25.519 --> 00:13:30.879 So all that combination of opportunity and the products that 170 00:13:31.240 --> 00:13:35.039 we buy from you as well as what we sell 171 00:13:35.159 --> 00:13:38.480 to you, I believe makes up a really good and 172 00:13:38.799 --> 00:13:42.559 powerful relationship which we need to strengthen, which we need 173 00:13:42.679 --> 00:13:45.559 to engender, and that is really what has brought us 174 00:13:45.679 --> 00:13:49.159 here and we are really privileged to have, you know, 175 00:13:49.279 --> 00:13:52.399 great South Africans in the mix, as you said you'd 176 00:13:52.519 --> 00:13:55.240 like to see them as well, and that brought you 177 00:13:56.240 --> 00:14:04.399 a really fantastic golf book. Weighs fourteen kilograms and it 178 00:14:04.519 --> 00:14:11.720 showcases the golf courses in our country, Johann Rupert wrote preface, 179 00:14:12.120 --> 00:14:15.799 So did any else, and I want to showcase our 180 00:14:15.879 --> 00:14:16.639 golf courses. 181 00:14:17.399 --> 00:14:21.440 You might remember when I spoke to you and we 182 00:14:21.559 --> 00:14:22.440 spoke about golf. 183 00:14:22.519 --> 00:14:26.480 You said I should start practicing, and I've started practicing present, 184 00:14:26.639 --> 00:14:31.679 so I'm ready. But let me end just the introduction 185 00:14:31.879 --> 00:14:35.240 remarks by thanking you. You may not recall that five 186 00:14:35.360 --> 00:14:39.120 years ago I spoke to you during the COVID period, right, 187 00:14:40.360 --> 00:14:43.159 and it was at a time when the whole world 188 00:14:43.320 --> 00:14:46.879 was going through a really cathartic moment, and we asked 189 00:14:46.919 --> 00:14:49.519 for assistance and we were able to assist us with 190 00:14:50.039 --> 00:15:01.840 rest blessed respirators, respirators, and you kept words and you delivered. 191 00:15:01.480 --> 00:15:02.559 Respirators to us. 192 00:15:03.159 --> 00:15:06.159 We didn't have as many in our country, and it 193 00:15:06.399 --> 00:15:10.600 really helped to deal to help us deal with COVID. 194 00:15:11.240 --> 00:15:14.240 So I'm here also to say thank you and to 195 00:15:14.480 --> 00:15:17.919 thank the people of America for having helped us during 196 00:15:18.200 --> 00:15:22.000 a really difficult time. Being this small economy that we are, 197 00:15:22.440 --> 00:15:25.480 we needed help from around the world and you were 198 00:15:25.519 --> 00:15:26.399 there to provide that. 199 00:15:26.720 --> 00:15:27.600 So thank you very much. 200 00:15:27.679 --> 00:15:30.320 Remember the call, Yeah, we said one hundred and fifty 201 00:15:30.799 --> 00:15:36.080 respirators who became the respirator king. We started making them. 202 00:15:36.159 --> 00:15:38.840 Nobody had them. We had very few of them, that's right, 203 00:15:39.000 --> 00:15:40.919 but they were very helpful. But we sent one hundred 204 00:15:40.919 --> 00:15:43.720 and fifty. And I appreciated the letter. You wrote me 205 00:15:43.759 --> 00:15:44.679 a letter, and that's right. 206 00:15:44.759 --> 00:15:48.000 Yeah, thank I appreciate it. Thank you very much for that. 207 00:15:48.480 --> 00:15:51.759 Really touched to my heart after I spoke to you 208 00:15:51.960 --> 00:15:53.879 and you delivered great honor. 209 00:15:54.000 --> 00:15:54.679 Thank you very much. 210 00:15:54.799 --> 00:15:55.039 Thank you. 211 00:15:56.080 --> 00:16:00.320 Any questions white africanor and refuge you see, can you 212 00:16:00.360 --> 00:16:03.679 explain to Americans why it's appropriate to welcome white africaners 213 00:16:03.720 --> 00:16:09.399 here when other refugees like Afghans, Betetts Way, when Haitians 214 00:16:09.480 --> 00:16:12.440 have all had their type of status revoked. 215 00:16:13.039 --> 00:16:17.759 Well, this is a group NBC that is truly fake news. 216 00:16:18.159 --> 00:16:20.600 They ask a lot of questions that are very pointed 217 00:16:20.679 --> 00:16:25.600 way they're not questioned their statements. We've had tremendous complaints 218 00:16:25.919 --> 00:16:30.480 about Africa, about other countries too, from people they say 219 00:16:30.519 --> 00:16:32.639 there's a lot of bad things going on in Africa, 220 00:16:32.679 --> 00:16:36.080 and that's what we're going to be discussing today. When 221 00:16:36.120 --> 00:16:38.000 you say we don't take others or all you have 222 00:16:38.080 --> 00:16:39.679 to do is take a look at the southern border. 223 00:16:40.200 --> 00:16:42.840 We let twenty one million people come through our border, 224 00:16:43.399 --> 00:16:45.200 totally unchecked, totally unvted. 225 00:16:45.279 --> 00:16:48.080 They came from all over the world. In many cases 226 00:16:48.120 --> 00:16:48.840 they're criminals. 227 00:16:48.879 --> 00:16:51.840 They come from prisons, they come from mental institutions, they 228 00:16:51.919 --> 00:16:55.600 come from street gangs, they drug dealers. So don't say 229 00:16:55.639 --> 00:16:57.320 that we didn't take them. We'd take them. We're trying 230 00:16:57.360 --> 00:16:59.519 to get them out as fast as we can and 231 00:16:59.600 --> 00:17:01.279 we're doing record business on that. 232 00:17:01.440 --> 00:17:02.600 And we just want a big case. 233 00:17:02.639 --> 00:17:07.839 We're allowed to send back hundreds of criminals to Venezuela. 234 00:17:08.200 --> 00:17:10.759 Just won that today in the Supreme Court. I'm happy 235 00:17:10.799 --> 00:17:14.599 to hear. But we do have a lot of. 236 00:17:16.200 --> 00:17:18.920 A lot of people are very concerned with regard to 237 00:17:19.039 --> 00:17:21.359 South Africa, and that's really the purpose of the meeting, 238 00:17:21.440 --> 00:17:23.000 and we'll see how that turns out. 239 00:17:23.759 --> 00:17:26.599 But we have many people that feel they're being persecuted 240 00:17:26.680 --> 00:17:27.519 and they're coming. 241 00:17:27.400 --> 00:17:31.200 To the United States. So we take from many many locations. 242 00:17:31.319 --> 00:17:36.079 If we feel this persecution or genocide going on and 243 00:17:37.400 --> 00:17:39.319 we had a lot of people. I must tell you, 244 00:17:39.400 --> 00:17:42.640 mister President, we have had a tremendous number of people, 245 00:17:42.839 --> 00:17:47.960 especially since they've seen this. Generally they're white farmers and 246 00:17:48.079 --> 00:17:51.039 they're fleeing South Africa and it's you know, it's a 247 00:17:51.119 --> 00:17:54.480 very sad thing to see. But I hope we can 248 00:17:54.559 --> 00:17:56.759 have an explanation of that, because I know you don't 249 00:17:56.759 --> 00:18:01.559 want that, and it's you know, it's a kind of 250 00:18:01.599 --> 00:18:04.279 a different meeting. Normally we have meetings we talk about trade, 251 00:18:04.279 --> 00:18:07.079 and we'll be talking about trade and other things, but 252 00:18:07.519 --> 00:18:10.000 that certainly will be a subject that comes up. Yeah, 253 00:18:12.000 --> 00:18:13.680 please right. 254 00:18:13.680 --> 00:18:14.359 Thank you very much. 255 00:18:14.480 --> 00:18:17.400 Let get your boss on Leticia Jane director Poulte. 256 00:18:18.079 --> 00:18:23.160 According to him, Letitia James says that the alleged mortgage 257 00:18:23.200 --> 00:18:24.640 fraud was simply of a state. 258 00:18:25.799 --> 00:18:27.559 I want to get your bonds on that. Did you 259 00:18:27.640 --> 00:18:32.039 put down that her father was her husband in order? 260 00:18:32.079 --> 00:18:35.079 And this is very similar to I guess the false attacks. 261 00:18:34.759 --> 00:18:35.240 That had on you. 262 00:18:36.319 --> 00:18:38.839 Well, I don't know what it is currently, but Letitia James, 263 00:18:38.880 --> 00:18:41.799 who's the Attorney General of the New York State, it 264 00:18:41.920 --> 00:18:43.960 seemed I'm not involved in that at all. I know 265 00:18:44.079 --> 00:18:48.119 that it's being handled by various groups, I guess, but 266 00:18:48.359 --> 00:18:56.319 it's major fraud, mortgage documents and fraudulent everything. I think 267 00:18:56.400 --> 00:18:59.400 she said the father was her husband, which she had 268 00:18:59.400 --> 00:19:02.039 to have her husband and her so she chose her 269 00:19:02.079 --> 00:19:05.200 father and she put it down and she's had had 270 00:19:06.559 --> 00:19:09.200 then she uh sign in Virginia. Yet she's she said 271 00:19:09.240 --> 00:19:12.440 you lived in Virginia. Yet she's the New York State 272 00:19:12.480 --> 00:19:15.319 Attorney General. And she did that for tax reasons so 273 00:19:15.480 --> 00:19:18.680 she could take advantage of taxes. And she had the 274 00:19:18.720 --> 00:19:21.359 wrong number of units. She had a much different number, 275 00:19:22.039 --> 00:19:26.039 which wouldn't have allowed her to qualify and scam the government. 276 00:19:26.160 --> 00:19:27.000 So I don't know. 277 00:19:27.079 --> 00:19:28.880 I think she's very bad for New York. But I 278 00:19:28.960 --> 00:19:30.920 really don't know too much about it. But I appreciate 279 00:19:31.000 --> 00:19:38.640 the question. Thank you very much, side which thank you. 280 00:19:38.720 --> 00:19:39.480 Miss for President. 281 00:19:39.920 --> 00:19:44.400 So May twenty fifth will be the celebration of Africa Day, 282 00:19:45.160 --> 00:19:47.799 which pretty much a lot of celebration will be taking 283 00:19:47.880 --> 00:19:50.599 place around the world, including here in the United States. 284 00:19:51.079 --> 00:19:55.319 What is your message to the entire African continent African 285 00:19:55.400 --> 00:19:57.440 people in this important occasion. 286 00:19:58.160 --> 00:20:00.680 Well, I wanna see peace, and I wanna see happiness. 287 00:20:00.799 --> 00:20:02.640 I want to see health, and you know you have 288 00:20:03.200 --> 00:20:06.720 incredible land. Its tremendous value. A lot of countries don't 289 00:20:06.759 --> 00:20:08.680 have that value in the land, the value you have. 290 00:20:08.799 --> 00:20:11.880 You know, we have a situation. I think you probably 291 00:20:11.960 --> 00:20:16.000 heard about it. We've done, through some very talented people, 292 00:20:16.119 --> 00:20:20.880 helped settle a war that's been raging for years Rwanda 293 00:20:21.000 --> 00:20:24.160 and the Congo. And I think we've done it. I 294 00:20:24.480 --> 00:20:26.359 believe it or not, I think we've done it. And 295 00:20:27.480 --> 00:20:29.759 could you just say a few words about that, my friend. 296 00:20:30.039 --> 00:20:33.359 Yes, A couple of weeks ago we signed, they signed, 297 00:20:33.359 --> 00:20:37.000 the two parties signed the Decoration of Principles in which 298 00:20:37.039 --> 00:20:40.240 they've agreed on the way forward, and they have both 299 00:20:40.319 --> 00:20:47.160 submitted draft peace agreements and we we have put together 300 00:20:47.319 --> 00:20:52.359 one that incorporates both of their suggestions and we've given. 301 00:20:52.160 --> 00:20:54.599 It to them. So we're in the process of finalizing. 302 00:20:54.680 --> 00:20:56.200 Looking looking very good. 303 00:20:56.519 --> 00:20:56.680 You know. 304 00:20:56.799 --> 00:20:59.880 We have to thank you for even those efforts, because 305 00:21:00.680 --> 00:21:06.039 African continent, particularly Sadak, our Southern African Development community has 306 00:21:06.200 --> 00:21:11.119 for years been seeking to foster peace in the Democratic. 307 00:21:10.640 --> 00:21:11.720 Republic of the Congo. 308 00:21:12.359 --> 00:21:16.680 So all efforts, including those from outside the continent and 309 00:21:17.000 --> 00:21:21.920 inside the continent are really worthwhile. We have just we 310 00:21:22.039 --> 00:21:26.720 are removing our troops from there, so that peace can 311 00:21:26.839 --> 00:21:31.039 then prevail in that whole area, and we hope that 312 00:21:31.440 --> 00:21:35.240 with the support of the international community, we will really 313 00:21:35.359 --> 00:21:36.880 have peace in that area. 314 00:21:37.039 --> 00:21:40.799 It's so vital, so important for the whole region. Well, 315 00:21:40.839 --> 00:21:44.680 we said to our people there, and I think we 316 00:21:44.759 --> 00:21:46.559 did a very good job. I shaid it by my 317 00:21:46.680 --> 00:21:49.359 friend and that was great. That was great. 318 00:21:49.400 --> 00:21:52.119 I mean, I'm just hearing phenomenal reports because all I've 319 00:21:52.160 --> 00:21:54.720 hear is death, death, and the chopping heads off, and 320 00:21:54.799 --> 00:21:59.160 it's so horrible over there, and it was really brave 321 00:21:59.200 --> 00:22:01.359 of me to go there. I really appreciate it. And 322 00:22:01.480 --> 00:22:04.319 it looks like that, it looks like we have something very, 323 00:22:04.960 --> 00:22:08.759 very substantial. We also talked about trade with them in 324 00:22:08.960 --> 00:22:13.359 terms of rarer all but really bore for the It's like, 325 00:22:14.400 --> 00:22:16.200 if you take a look at what we just did 326 00:22:16.279 --> 00:22:21.519 with Pakistan and India. We settled that pole and I 327 00:22:21.599 --> 00:22:24.319 think I settled into a trade. We're doing a big 328 00:22:24.400 --> 00:22:27.640 deal with India. We're doing a big deal with Pakistan. 329 00:22:27.680 --> 00:22:29.319 And I said, what are you guys doing. You know, 330 00:22:29.920 --> 00:22:32.319 they somebody had to be the last one to shoot, 331 00:22:32.880 --> 00:22:35.519 but the shooting was getting worse and worse, bigger and bigger, 332 00:22:35.599 --> 00:22:37.640 deeper and deeper into the countries. 333 00:22:38.039 --> 00:22:38.119 And. 334 00:22:39.680 --> 00:22:41.680 We spoke to him and we I think we you know, 335 00:22:41.880 --> 00:22:43.319 I hate to say, we got it settled. 336 00:22:43.319 --> 00:22:46.200 And then two days later something happens and they say 337 00:22:46.519 --> 00:22:52.440 it's Trump's fault, but we Pakistan has got some excellent 338 00:22:52.519 --> 00:22:57.119 people and some really good great leader in India is 339 00:22:57.279 --> 00:23:01.039 my friend Modi and he's a mutual friend. Yeah, he's 340 00:23:01.079 --> 00:23:04.400 a great guy. And they call them both. We we 341 00:23:04.599 --> 00:23:06.799 just uh, it's something good. 342 00:23:07.000 --> 00:23:07.359 We uh. 343 00:23:07.519 --> 00:23:10.960 We're trying to settle Russia Ukraine and we spoke with 344 00:23:11.680 --> 00:23:14.880 President Putin for two and a half hours the day 345 00:23:14.920 --> 00:23:15.759 before yesterday. 346 00:23:15.799 --> 00:23:17.519 I think we made a lot of progress. But that's 347 00:23:17.559 --> 00:23:18.160 a bloodbath. 348 00:23:18.359 --> 00:23:20.839 Five thousand people are being killed a week, five thousand 349 00:23:20.880 --> 00:23:24.400 soldiers a week, not including people in cities and towns 350 00:23:24.440 --> 00:23:27.640 that are also being killed. So we're trying to help 351 00:23:28.160 --> 00:23:30.720 and it doesn't affect us. It's not our people, it's 352 00:23:30.759 --> 00:23:34.680 not our soldiers, it's not our it's Ukraine and it's Russia. 353 00:23:34.799 --> 00:23:37.640 But if we can say five thousand souls. 354 00:23:37.440 --> 00:23:37.839 Wasn't do it? 355 00:23:37.960 --> 00:23:39.200 You know, we're pretty good at it. 356 00:23:39.839 --> 00:23:42.240 But it's a that's a bad situation. That is a 357 00:23:42.319 --> 00:23:43.359 really bad situation. 358 00:23:43.559 --> 00:23:47.240 Well, you recall when President Zelenski was coming to South Africa. 359 00:23:47.319 --> 00:23:48.759 That's when I spoke to you. That's right. 360 00:23:48.839 --> 00:23:51.799 We both agreed that we need to push the peace 361 00:23:51.920 --> 00:23:54.440 message so that they can be really big peace. 362 00:23:55.039 --> 00:23:55.640 And we've been. 363 00:23:55.599 --> 00:23:59.359 Involved in the Ukraine Russia conflict for quite a while 364 00:23:59.480 --> 00:24:03.480 through my Minister of State Security here, we've been dealing 365 00:24:03.559 --> 00:24:06.839 with them the exchange of children who were taken away, 366 00:24:07.599 --> 00:24:11.079 going through names and addresses and all that. So we've 367 00:24:11.119 --> 00:24:15.160 been invested in that whole process as well, and the 368 00:24:15.319 --> 00:24:17.599 moves that you're making are fully. 369 00:24:17.400 --> 00:24:20.240 Supported by us because we would like to see the 370 00:24:20.440 --> 00:24:21.119 end of that whole. 371 00:24:21.559 --> 00:24:26.119 So I called Zelinsky and they said he's in South Africa. 372 00:24:26.119 --> 00:24:28.200 I said, what the hell is he doing in South. 373 00:24:29.559 --> 00:24:30.200 He was talking to. 374 00:24:33.920 --> 00:24:36.359 He said, what you're doing in South Africa. That's a 375 00:24:36.400 --> 00:24:42.039 strange one. He's trying to make the We you know, 376 00:24:42.200 --> 00:24:44.519 we we were lucky because we were the great nurse 377 00:24:44.559 --> 00:24:48.680 at Madela. We taught us how to create peace, to 378 00:24:48.839 --> 00:24:52.359 make peace. So we were imparting some of those lessons 379 00:24:52.519 --> 00:24:56.839 to him, some of those learnings, and I specifically mentioned 380 00:24:56.880 --> 00:25:00.200 to him that this is how nurs and manerla to 381 00:25:00.319 --> 00:25:03.880 us that when you want to have a peace in 382 00:25:04.000 --> 00:25:07.680 a country, do it on an unconditional basis and sit 383 00:25:07.799 --> 00:25:08.680 down and talk. 384 00:25:09.160 --> 00:25:12.160 And that's precisely what I'm sure he's going to heat. 385 00:25:12.279 --> 00:25:14.039 Well, I want to see what happens with that when 386 00:25:14.119 --> 00:25:16.279 it's a lot of there's a lot of hatred, there's 387 00:25:16.359 --> 00:25:17.920 a lot of a lot of death. 388 00:25:18.000 --> 00:25:18.799 It's a bloodbath. 389 00:25:19.440 --> 00:25:23.920 Is I get the Unfortunately, I get the satellite pictures 390 00:25:23.960 --> 00:25:27.400 of that field, of that killing field. You never said 391 00:25:27.400 --> 00:25:29.759 anything like it, and you lot a horrible it's horrible 392 00:25:29.839 --> 00:25:34.319 thing that goes on. But I think we've made big progress. 393 00:25:42.200 --> 00:25:42.359 Here. 394 00:25:45.880 --> 00:25:48.400 What are you expecting on the icy J case? Are 395 00:25:48.440 --> 00:25:50.240 you expecting South Africa to drop that? 396 00:25:50.400 --> 00:25:53.160 Is that what you try to rebate the icy J 397 00:25:53.319 --> 00:25:53.880 case against. 398 00:25:57.279 --> 00:25:59.920 I don't expect anything, to be honest, I really don't. 399 00:26:00.119 --> 00:26:00.720 I don't know. 400 00:26:00.960 --> 00:26:06.880 It's they've got occasions, a lot of anger there, tremendous anger. 401 00:26:07.240 --> 00:26:09.240